July 27, 2017 • 37 mins
On today’s show, Doug reacts to John Harbaugh stating he has interest in bringing in Colin Kaepernick. Doug thinks this is Kaepernick’s last chance to try and get into the NFL this season. Phoenix Suns Forward, Jared Dudley joins the show to address the Kyrie Irving rumors, saying he isn’t sold on them. Philip Rivers also joins the show to tell us about his role in parenting 8 kids.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Booming Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, Coming to you from the City of Angels.
There are lots of things that I try and implore
upon you that there are no more secrets. There are
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only facts yet to be revealed that you cannot fool players.
Can't fool them. You can feel the media, you can
fool for office members, you can even full coaches. You
ask players when the microphone's not on, and they often
will tell you the most logical truth about different players,
about different situations, because they know more about their chosen
craft than you and I ever could hope to. Can't
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fool players, can't fool players. Are no more secrets, only facts.
She had to be revealed. Common sense is not really
all that common. And here's one. You've got to have
a rabbi in the room. To have a rabbi in
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the room, what does that mean? What are you talking about?
God's Thursday? I just this is my last weekend before
football is on television. You realize that this is the
last weekend that football is not on your television. Granted
not great football. Next weekend with the Hall of Fame game,
but it is still football, Like, oh man, I can
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bet on it. If you're betting on preseason football, it's
like you're betting on WNBA. You have a problem anyway.
You're trying to think less, and I'm going to employ
you to think more because it relates to your job
or to any new job that you might think about taking.
I've got to have somebody in the room, in the
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decision making room wherever that new job is, that knows you,
understands you, doesn't just want the good in you, understands that. Look,
we all have things that set us off. We all
have a downside. Even the Schwartz head of downside right
force has a downside, the schwartz head of downside. And
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if you don't believe me, look at Cardile Jones. Cardil Jones,
of course, a backup and a project with the Buffalo Bills,
is only there one year and yesterday he's traded to
the San Diego Chargers. Now there's a litany of reasons.
It's interesting. One it tells us that the look they
took at RG three Santego Charger. Sorry, old habits die hard.
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They've yet to play a game as the LA Chargers.
But we told you, they just wanted to take a
look at RG three, and that look told them they
should go elsewhere. RG three failed to impress and Cardiel
Jones new head coach, Anthony Lynn, came from the Buffalo
Bills organization last year. In other words, Anthony Lynn, the
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head coach of the Chargers, is in fact his Rabbi
in the room. Hey, we need a backup quarterback. We
need somebody young, We need somebody who has potential to
learn from Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers will join us at
two o'clock Pacific coast time, five o'clock East Coast time
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. We need somebody who
can learn from Philip so that maybe maybe if Philip
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needs a game off, maybe if he goes down with
injury doesn't usually get hurt, or maybe in the not
so distant future, we would have another option, because we
simply don't have one right now. They looked at RG three.
The look went so well that they turned elsewhere, and
they turned to a player that the head coach worked
with last year, knew last year, and feels like has
more potential for success. Within their system than RG three. Conversely,
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the reason Buffalo would let him go they have a
new general manager, a new head coach, two guys that
have no ties to Cardle Jones, and so with no ties,
there is no rabbi. There is no one preaching the
virtues of Cardalle Jones in the room. That is the
Buffalo Bills. You understand the rabbi in the room. You
look at players who leave places and oftentimes they go
to they go to a new team that has a
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position coach, or a coordinator or even a head coach
who coached them previously. Like, what is the what's the
thought on Kirk Cousins? Where will he go next? Right?
Everyone says that when he's a free agent, the team
that will look hardest at him, will throw the most
money at him, is in San Francisco. Why is that?
Because Kyle Shanahan, once upon a time was his offensive
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coordinator in DC with Redskins. Right. In other words, Kyle Shanahan,
the head coach of the Niners, is the rabbi in
the room. Do you understand the concept good? The Baltimore
Ravens are, at least in the short term, in need
of a viable option at quarterback. They're in need of
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a viable option at quarterback, and their need of a
viable option because Joe Flacco has a bad back and
Joe Flacco is likely to miss most if not all,
of training camp, and the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator is
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Greg Roman. Their head coach is John not Jim John Harbaugh,
but John's brother is Jim and Greg Roman was the
OC in San Francisco when Colin Kaepernick was at his peak.
So I look at this and look, you got Ryan
Mallet there as the backup who has not shown himself
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to be a true starter in this league. He's had
multiple opportunities to do so. Was first in New England,
then in Houston and has bounced around ever since. Has
many of the attributes arm strength, size of a starter,
but no one there's no clamoring for Ryan Mallett to
be the starter. This is the perfect opportunity for Colin
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Kaepernick because the only way in which he gets a
job is if somebody can swear by Colin Kaepernick. Hey man,
he's actually a really good guy. Hey man, he's actually
super talented. You know what. I actually like Kaepernick and
the only people who can do that are people who
coached him previously. And though it's not Jim, it's John.
I mean to tell me, they haven't talked and Greg Roman,
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no one knows him better the good and even the
bad than people that have worked with him before. He
has rabbis in the room. And so I make this statement,
if Kain Kaepernick isn't signed by the Ravens, who's gonna
sign him? Who's gonna sign him? Do you remember when
Matt Flynn was a free agent. Matt Flynn was the
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backup quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers did
not play the final game of the regular season. This
is going back. How long is Russell Wilson in a quarterback?
Like four or five years and five years in the NFL.
So Russell Wilson is still in college and Matt Flynn
throws five touchdown passes in the last game of the
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regular season, and there was a clamoring for Matt Flynn
to be the starter. Matt Hasselback was the long time
backup in Green Bay. He leaves, goes to Seattle, takes Seattle,
takes Seattle all the way to a Super Bowl and
so because of it, the idea that hey, Matt Flinn's
a free agent, he can be a starter elsewhere. His
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offensive coordinator leaves and takes a job as the head
coach of the Miami Dolphins. Remember this, okay, So he
ends up signing with the Seattle Seahawks. The Dolphins did
not offer him a deal that matched up with the
Seattle Seahawks. Flynn ends up getting beaten out by Russell Wilson.
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Russell Wilson, of course, ends up taking the Seattle Seahawks
to two Super Bowls, winning one of them. The rest,
as they say, is history. Flynn ultimately returned to Green Bay.
But the point was this. When your offensive coordinator leaves,
goes to Miami Dolphins, Dolphins at the time where in
need of a quarterback, and he doesn't sign Matt Flynn,
it tells you what he really thinks. Matt Flynn, he
had a rabbi in the room, and that rabbi did
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not stand up and go, I bless this quote this
player to be a starter on my team. It actually
cuts both ways. It would make a ton of sense
if John Harbaugh, armed with Greg Roman, is offensive coordinator
needing a starting caliber quarterback, reaches out and gets Colin Kaepernick.
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Rabbi in the room, calls Jim. Jim says he's good.
Roman says he's good. I know I can make it work.
I can talk Colin down off the idea not going
to be the long term starter. We know it's Flatco's position,
but we really value him, really need him. Get him
into camp. Let's get him up and go it. But
if they don't, if they don't, you already have these
other knocks against him. Has had knee surgery, has had
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shoulder surgery, hasn't really been an elite quarterback going back
in the last three years plus. Whatever you think of
the protest, it is some level of distraction and no
one he tells everybody wants to be a starter, doesn't
want to be a backup. Means also starter money, although
he hasn't told anybody what he'll play for. If guys
that know you and supposedly have all the background of
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your best moments in the NFL, as Greg Roman does,
and they don't sign you in their need of a quarterback,
it tells the rest of the league stay the hell away.
So another saying we have is the league tells you
all you need to know. You may think a guy
isn't a starter, but the league tells you. You may
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think a guy is not worth a certain amount of money,
but the League tells you that's because you're You're worth
what somebody is willing to pay you. Your car is
worth what somebody's willing to pay for it. Anything you
have is only worth It's not what the book value is.
It's what somebody's actually willing to pay. And the league
will tell you. And if his Rabbi in the room
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doesn't come through form and offer him a deal, the
league will then back away and the League will tell
you forget protests. We don't think we can entrust him
to be our starter. The rabbis in the room didn't,
and we'll follow suit. Here's Jarn Harbaugh, head coach of
the Ravens, talking kind of openly about having conversations with
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Colin Kaepernick previous to this news. You know, I've known
Colin really, you know, through my brother for many years,
and we've talked and then got to know him really
well when they scrimmage here and he and I have
been talking, you know, throughout the summer a number of times.
We've had some great conversations on the phone. I mean,
it's really been a pleasure to talk to him and
get to know him. And you know, I like history
and politics and stuff too, so you know, we've had
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some debates and it's been fun and he's a great guy,
and uh, he's a guy. Right now, that's uh, that's
being talked about and we'll just we'll just see what
happens with that. I think that's uh, it'll all be
speculation right now. But uh, but I think he's a
really good football player. As I said at the Owner's means,
I do believe he'll be playing in the National Football
League this year. Yeah, look, I believe he'll be playing. Well,
you need a quarterback, right, Your coordinator was his coordinator
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in San Francisco, right, Your your brother coach him, and
he took your brother to a Super Bowl, an NFC
championship game, right, Like, if it doesn't happen now, he's
not getting back in this league because the rest of
the league's been like whall, wait a second, why would
the Raven sign it. Be sure to catch live editions
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So my dad started
a travel basketball program before it was AU basketball and
the coach AU Basketball. And I remember when Jared Dudley,
who really wanted to go to Oregon that was actually
his dream school. I don't know if he shared that
on national radio. We may have shared that with me before.
Jared Dudley was also a little bit let's just say
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pudgy in high school, and so West Coast schools didn't
recruit me. He went and played with another West Coast guy,
Craig Smith at Boston College. Had a great career. Both
end up in the NBA. He's still in the league
playing with the Phoenix Suns, and he was like so
many of his former AAU players. He was watching to
see Zion Williamson last night, first time to see him
in the West Coast play against the big baller brand.
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He joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Did
you watch in person or did you watch online online? Yeah,
all NBA players have been hearing about Zion and all
his highlights. He looked like Lebron in his highlights team.
He's just the guy all the hype and gonna be
a pretty good player. So I wanted to just you know,
just like everyone else live streaming it. Okay, So like, look,
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we've seen showcase games before. It feels like there's more
Showcase games now than real games back when you played,
and then of course when I played, like a decade before,
you played, like the games used to they used to
be you lose at some point, you lose and go home.
Now it's like you're losing, you just go play another
another game. All right. So let's start with Zion. Were
you able to get a real sense of how good
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a player he was, considering there wasn't much defense, there
wasn't much offense. It was just really up and down
a little bit. I saw Lebar basically triple team and
his strategies of coaches that you bunk up the game,
full court press, hope the team plays sloppy and play
your style. But Zion to me is a three four
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hybrid cann shoot the ball right now. But that's something
you can improve. I just think right now, he's for
physically mature and grown than everyone else, kind of like
a Julius Randall in Kentucky. You know, he reminds me
of that any way, And this is before you do
you remember Shae Cotton. Yes, there's a lot of Shae
Cotton to him right we left handed Now he's a
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lot thicker than Shay was, yes, but left handed kind
of in between positions. Doesn't shoot it really that well,
but handles it really well and explosive at the rim.
And I just I wonder with the way the NBA
is trending, Like I know you you can obviously improve.
Nobody's as good as shooter ATIF at seventeen as are
at twenty and twenty one. Shae Cotton was the name
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I most thought of when I was when I saw
him play last night. I'm with you on that. But
when you get a guy that's this athletic early that
can score so easy in high school basketball, his shooting,
he's not going to be able to need to be
able to shoot to get to the NBA. And that's
why we're the coaching as on Twitter last night was
going off, were to put these guys in the right position. Fundamentally,
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he can handle with basketball. He actually has a good
iq of playing the way, but sometimes it's lost in
aau Because I caught it late. I didn't really play
AU basketwort to my junior senior year and I do
a high school camp now that have all the best
players from San Diego. Jalen Hans is going to u
c l A. Every team, every city has one hundred
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AAU teams don't practice. They go to these games and
it's pickup. There was a one play called last night,
did you play a rock Fish? Who did you play for?
I played for Ebo maybe my senior year. I played
for the Pumps. I never met Jordan Farmer, Nick Young,
and I just show up in their team. But those
kids knew how to play, you know, and even has
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flashy as Nick is. Nick defensively would kind of get
after at times, but he knew how to move the ball.
And we beat Dwight Howard, Josh Smith and Atlanta Celtics
in the finals. Yeah, Atlanta Alas. Atlanta Celtics were absolutely loaded,
kind of back in the day. Jared Dudley joining us
all right, so as a former player and a former
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AU guy, a four AU player that made it to
college and made it to the pros. Like my take was, like,
I don't think that's how all AAU basketball is even now,
But that's what people will think all AU basketball is,
and I feel like it's a bad look for the sport.
What's your take as an NBA player. Definitely a bad
look in the sense of the style of play and
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the reason why we see that because these are two
of the best upcoming players in the country. So that's
why we're gonna spot, shout and watch this game. Do
I think every game is like that? No? Do I
think that the general? Yeah, I think the general is
less fundamental, more athletic now, which is not a problem
of being athletic. We've just got in it because kids
are coming into college earlier, I mean, and getting into
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the pros earlier nineteen and you see all of them coming,
but you don't You guys don't hear the stories of
them only lasting one or two years and having to
go overseas or not making it those kids. So I
think generally NBA players they look at that game high.
They looked at the athletic ability of Zion and to
see how he's going to develop. But besides that and
not really uh you mentioned how you know you played
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two different AU programs. I do feel like some of
how guys change teams in AU now more so than
like when I was when I was coming up. I
think that plays out in college with all the transfers,
and I think it's part of what allows guys to
look outside their teams in the NBA. Do you think
the kind of AAU team switching mentality is one of
the things that's that's led players to not being afraid
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to switch teams in the NBA somewhat, especially with the
generation coming up. In mind, where you played against these
guys in junior high, you played against them in AAU
in high school. I would say even now, think of
high school basketball and San Diego is a rule you
can transfer and not have to sit out. So now
a kid who doesn't get playing time, instead of working
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his butt off in the summer and showing the coach
the parents are taking them out and trying to take
him to this school so he can play twenty minutes.
I got to deal with AU coaches saying, hey, I'll
bring my kids to your camp, but I wanted to
play in the elite division even though they're not elite.
So I agree with you. Is the AAU basketball especially
more I just saw Lebron teaming up and now Kevin Durant.
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It'll happen even more because these players are so used
to each other they're changing teams all the time. Okay,
so there's lots of discussions about your team, the Phoenix
Suns making a move to acquire Kyrie Irving. Give it.
Give us the inside scoop, like, are you helping Kyrie
pick out a new house in Scottsdale. I don't think
it's going to happen. I think the Sons are content
with this youth movement in the sense of if you
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trade for Kyrie and you give up a couple of
your young assets of Josh Jackson a pick, it hurts
you long long term. Kyrie's very good, But the question
is can Kyrie be a franchise guy by himself to
make everyone to take everyone to the next level. And
that's the question mark. We all know he's an elite
skill player, top five, top seven point guard and Jay
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hits big shots, but I don't know if it's worth
mortgaging your whole future and Sons on a two or
three year plan to eventually when Golden State's coming down,
they're coming up in their prime years with their young guys,
and I don't know if Kyrie is the fit. He's
a great player, but the question is the fit? Okay,
So what's your reaction when you hear guy who's been
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to three straight NBA Finals wants to move to a
different team. Now it hasn't just been the Suns. There's
been talk of talk of the Knicks, has been talk
of the Spurs. But like, give me the real sense
in the NBA when it's been said Kyrie Irvan wants
to be traded. And look, the Cavs had a press
conference yesterday and not once they say we are not
trading him. He doesn't. No one has denied this story,
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and so once it gets a week out, it's obviously
an accurate story. What's your reaction into that story. I
think he lets perspectives in the sense of I understand
you might want your own team. I understand that you
want to be your own guy, which is fine. I
think that in sports it's about winning. It's not about
a brand. You already have a great brand. Lebron has
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a great brand, so does Russell Westbrook. This is about
winning titles, and you have a great opportunity where you've
already won one. You might not be the favorite, but
you're going to be in the finals unless an injury happens.
Knock on wood. I think that the immaturity if Auch
a young age or wanting to do that, that's going
to happen. Lebron can leave in a year and people
think that he's going to be stranded, he actually would
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have more leverage next year because he'd be in his
final year of this deal. Now they can trade them
to Indiana, you tall, wherever he wants to that list
that he named, throw that list out the war. They're
not listening to him. They're listening to the best deal,
and that it might be one of those teams. I
just think, hey, sometimes when you get to all the
success and you get all the fame and the notoriety,
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which you wouldn't have gotten if Lebron wasn't there, sometimes
he can get your kids head. I don't know if
it's his head, but you know what, regardless, he's going
to be successful. He's a good player. I just think
that he has once in the last time opportunity playing
with le Bron getting championships. Jared Dudley from the Phoenix Suns.
You're giving us all things giving us au give us
his au thoughts and giving us his thoughts on ky
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Ree Irving. Jared great stuff man, thanks for joining us
as Jared Dudley. That's the most honest current NBA player
I've ever heard. Look, I don't I don't agree with
everything he said, but like there's a dude in the league.
He's like, Now, I don't think it's gonna happen. They're
going to youth them. The one thing about the Suns
deal is this, what he's talking about is the Sons
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don't want to part with Josh Jackson. The Cavs have
asked for Josh Jackson be included in the trade. Remember,
just because you ask for Josh Jackson and you don't
get him doesn't mean that the Calves won't ultimately have
to make want to make that deal. Right, You always
ask for more than you that's a negotiation. How much
do you want to how much you want to sell
your house for it? You always listed for more than
you expect to get for At least that's how eyebrow.
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Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. There's a
reality at some point that settles in, right, like, uh,
you know, you go through this when when you move,
like the boxes are all put away and you wake
up and you're like, wait, this is my new home. Right,
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there's a new coffee place, there's new neighbors, there's new
like you take your kids to a new school. It
kind of becomes a reality. I'm wondering if that reality
has set in with the LA Chargers, right, they haven't
yet played a game in Carson where they're gonna play
for the next couple of years. They they just now
getting to camp in Costa Mesit's and new, but it's
still it's not I don't know. Let's catch up with
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the the uh one of the all time great quarterbacks
in NFL history, let alone in San Diego Charger history,
now in LA Charger quarterback Philip Rivers joins us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Has it set in yet that
La that Orange County is the home even though you
haven't yet to actually play a game in Carson. Having
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a little trouble with the cell phone connection, We'll reconnect.
We'll reconnect with Philip Rivers, who joins us, that's what happens.
You know, when you're caught somewhere between San Diego and
Orange County, you end up getting end up that's in
that Santa and No Free used to be a nuclear
power plant. Now it's probably a cell phone dead cell
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phone area. That's really what it kind of comes down to.
That happened to me. Philip Rivers joins us on the
Doug Gottlib Show. Has it set in yet that you're
no longer a member of the San Diego Chargers? It's
now really Los Angeles? Is the reality set in? Hey, Doug, Yeah,
good to talk to you about the connection. It's settling in.
I tell you, I just got a picture. Actually, our
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equipment manager, Bob Wake just sent me a picture of
our lockers in our training camp site. We're about about
forty eight hours away from reporting and uh and so
it's starting to settle in. I mean, it's been thirteen
years since I've reported to a training camp or going
to a facility, going to a practice build that I
literally am gonna have to punch it on my phone
how to get there. So it's it's starting to settle in.
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I think the newness and the unknown. I add a
little bit of nervous. Nervousness to me, I mean, but
the excitement also and also asked the excitement. Yeah, I mean, now,
how far was it from you live in North County
in San Diego? How far was it from your house
to the facility before? It was twenty twenty between twenty
and twenty two minutes on a good day. I love this' between.
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I love the exactness of it. So have you driven
this one? Because I know it's probably what four oh
five to seventy three. You got to make sure you
do the seventy three. Don't go cheap and go away
from the toll road. Now there's no doubt to do
seventy three. So what is it about forty forty five minutes?
I think it's a little longer than that. I think
we're pushing it all over an hour. But it's not terrible.
It's not terrible. It's just a matter of getting to
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that seventy three. Once you get there, you know you're
home from me, You are home for you are home
for I will. I will warn you that though you're
Philip Rivers and you're a future Hall of Famer, to
the rest of us, I'm not sure if the Orange County,
if the High po knows exactly how big a thing
you are, seventy three, they do have some guys with
lights on their roofs. Make sure you make sure you
keep it under about seventy four there, Okay, okay, Telly
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telling you from personal experience. I'm wondering, though, if as
as hard as last season was, with all those games
that you led in the fourth quarter and you guys
had slip away, if it's not if it's not better
that you start anew in the news, Like I know
you guys didn't want to leave San Diego, and because
the stadium couldn't get built, the team decided to move.
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But you kind of needed something new considering how many
games you gave away last year. Is that is that fair?
You know? I think so, I really do, especially for
our young guys. You know, our young guys. You know,
let's say our guys have been here only two years.
We've been four, twelve, five, and eleven, and then even
guys that have only been here a few years since
you know, Li's to the playoffs and thirteen and won
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a playoff game. But there's only a handful of guys
that were here when it was rocking at Qualcomm and
this environment here was awesome the last few years, and
largely due to higher performance plus all the stadium saga,
it hasn't been an environment that's been like this is awesome,
you know. So for those guys you throw in losing,
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having two terrible seasons and all that was going on
and stadium half full, I think for those guys even
more so, the change up is like, yeah, let's let's
do something new, you know what I mean. So I
think even then they're even more excited. They don't have
the memories that be and Antonio and all of us
had of it down in San Diego. So, uh, there's
a lot that adds to that adds to it. But
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I agree with you and I think the new venue,
that new change, some of that freshness, uh maybe may
be good for us. And then if we can just
stay healthy, I believe we can. Uh we do a
lot of good things this year. Yeah, poor Keenan Allen right,
like two years a row getting hurt and a guy
who everybody thinks can be a superstar now trying to
get back healthy. We want to ask you your your
own performance, Like, look, there's other factors. Keenan getting hurt
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changes it changes the progression of you know, who's your
number one, your number two becomes your number one. You've
had other interests. Antonio being suspended started last year as well.
That hurts you, guys. You know, Melvin Is as a
rookie was not as good as he was last year.
Melvin is a second year player. But you personally struggled
for the first time long time to maintain the football
like you had twenty one interceptions, you had turnover issues.
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I know it's not all you. I know there's offensive
line issues. But what have you been able to go
back in the film and pick up that's going to
allow you to get back to the form of the
previous decade. Yeah, well, I mean you said it, and
I ask the number one thing I got to improve
on is is protecting the football. And I know that's
a priority for every quarterback. It's one I took great
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pride in. Not that I've been the best of the league,
but I've been pretty good over the last decade, as
you mentioned, But I gotta do a better job with that.
And and you know, at first, I mean shooting, I
don't shot away from I got to ultimately the ball
comes out of my hand and to end up in
my receiver's hands or and nobody's. But every innercending has
a story and and I and and that hasn't made
me make any excuses for him. But it could have
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been twenty eight intercepts last year, and dang sure could
have been twelve, you know. I mean, you just likes
the windows sometimes. Uh, that doesn't make it okay. I'm
accountable for each and every one of them. And I
watch every pass of every season every year in the spring,
early winter, and uh, and kind of chart everything and
go through on what how was on my footwork? How
was I on the decision? Was it just a bad throw?
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What could I have done differently? Did I just miss it?
You know? All those things? And uh, I look with
for me to believe or not doing in the year fourteen,
it was if I take the correct drop, correct footwork,
if I stay right there in the pocket and use
those mechanics, and thrilled that we've all done for our
whole life, that I that I'm really, really as an
asset in my mind that I'm good at, then usually
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good things happen. And when I venture out and do
a little bit different, drop and a little bit different
and get a little careless movement or move to bad
things happen. And so I think for me, it's just
been that go back to that very fine little details
and uh, don't get bored with him and know that
ultimately there's a direct correlation and usually good or bad
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things happening when you get out there on Sunday or Monday.
All right, so you got you got Whizz back as
your offensive coordinator. What does this do to change your offense? What? What?
What changes will? We are are tangible that we can see.
Obviously it's far different for you, but for us as fans,
you get reunited with Ken wizen Hunt, what should we expect. Yeah, well,
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I think you're you're gonna from a from a from
a uh scrematic standpoint, it's gonna look the same with
outside and I And in many ways it's been the
same on the inside having him here, uh you know,
uh a few years ago and then back last year.
I mean it's uh, it's good. He and I have
a really good relationship. He and I have a great
deal of trust in one another. So there's a lot
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of time spent throughout the week on in the preparation
of of different checks. If we see this, what do
you think about this? If you send that, what do
you think about that? And he's he's I don't like
you in the word freedom, but he's great with giving
me that quote unquote freedom to oh you see this, Yeah,
go for it, go for it. Not that he's just
saying yet, do whatever you want out there. It's stuff
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we've talked about. But he's I think there's that trust
that's grown through games and games and practices and meetings
and so uh, he's a great manager of people. He's
great in front of the room and kind of keeping
that whole offensive unit on track. So I decided excited
that with us is with us here and and then
coach Linn comes in here and his demeanor and direction
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he's given us has been has been great so far.
So obviously we got to get into training camp and
get going, but so far, so good. All right, Mike
Williams not fully healthy, but is a big play wide receiver.
How difficult do you think it's going to be to
get him integrated into what you want to do catching
passes from you? Considering he's still not at optimal health
to play early in the pre season. Well, he definitely
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is behind. I think. I know Coach Linz said it,
and there's no denying it. I don't think that it's
a matter of gosh, I need to throw him a
plant or I need to throw my hit. I need
to really really throw those because I don't know how
well that's going to take. It's not about that. I
think that you get figured out in about thirty minutes,
but it's it's it's just the ends and outs of
the offense and getting lined up and knowing all the
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different concepts and just as I mentioned in the previous question,
we may change a play that we didn't talk about
or he didn't know or you know, didn't know what's
coming in the middle of a drive and he's stuck
in the slurt receiver and can't he can't he do
it quickly. And so I think that's where he's behind,
because he hadn't been out there the prester with us
those last ten weeks and there those OTAs, so he's
got some catching up to do. But he's he's worked
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at it. He's been in those meetings and so he's
had the playbook and so Hopefully first he can get
healthy and then he can find his way out there
on the field and contribute, because there's no question the
big playability he brings in his size. But thankfully those
uh you know, Dontrell him and Keenan, Allen Tyler Williams,
Travis Benjamin, those four we got back and uh and
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made a bunch of plays. Force last year you mentioned, uh,
you know, you mentioned Antonio Gates and I'm I watch
you guys, you know, every weekend, and I mean like
that he's not fast. He was never fast, but now
he's really not fast. How the hell does he get open? Like?
How does it work? We're a guy at a at
a sport to which when you can't run, you can't play.
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How is Antonio Gates still doing it at this stage
in his career. Well, I tell you, I uh, he run.
He's still better than better than you give him credit for.
But I tell you, I mean you look, you looked
at the guy. Uh you look at the guy. He's
every week and he just you said, he finally way
to get open. He's great at great at his body
position and really what I think ultimately, yes, he was
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very talented and he is you know, I don't want to.
I don't want to. Hopefully we're gonna he's gonna be
the all time touchdown tried in receptions history of the NFL.
He didn't play college football, and so I mean, I
give me chill see saying it. So I mean unbelievably accomplished.
And I could say a lot about the physical traits
on it he had. But I think the one thing
that really separates him is the man hates to lose.
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He is he is the biggest He is competitive the
guys I've ever been around. It doesn't matter if you're
playing a game of dominoes and who argued about the man.
The man wants to win. And I think that's what
still drives him today is the last years, you know,
it hadn't been very good, and he hates losing, and
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so he's excited and it seems rejuvenated about giving it
another go and helping us and contributed and and being
a big part of it. Since O six, you have
missed the game, have missed one. And then the studies
come out this week at one hundred and eleven UH
donated brains donated to science, one hundred and ten of
them had CTE at some point, like you know, look,
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you have eight kids, you are a true family man,
and at some point your family has to have had
a discussion. But how long they want dad to do this?
Did you guys have that discussion after those findings came
out early earlier this week. We uh, we haven't had
the conversations in the last few days based on those findings.
We've you know, you talk about those things when different
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studies come out and more and more intention has been
brought to it. I and I don't there. I want
to sign an insensitive to those who have suffered from
CTE or any of those one hundred and eleven in
those studies, and many many more than I'm sure have
been affected, both from football and unrelated to football. Uh,
but as it can as it relates to me, I
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just I don't feel I don't think, you know, again,
I guess, I guess maybe I'm naive, but I think
in the position I play and uh, the hits I've absorbed,
I just don't feel like I'm at I'm at great,
great risk from a from my head trying a standpoint
and maybe people are listening on when that's the dumbestam
I've heard about I just I haven't. I haven't felt
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have any had any visible you know, physically agible, Uh,
you know, symptoms of any trauma. And shoot, I'm thankful
for that. I know it can happen on the very
next hit of the very next game, but so I'm
sensitive to it. I'm aware of it all. But uh,
I feel I feel like I'm in a safe place
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as far as our plan on playing and moving forward
as we as we carry on. Now, you wear that
groove ring, right, you wear that? It's a silicon wedding ring.
Did you always did you used to wear like the
metal ring? Because I remember, I'm trying to think who
was that used to always? Uh? Fitzpatrick used to wear
like the metal ring before? Like, now all you guys
wear this groove ring. That's that's that silicon? Is that
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the one you've always worn? Yeah? No, I mean I
was always wearing the metal ring too, and I always
took it off of weights or either beat it up
in the weight room, always took it off for games.
And you're always you know, you're always on and off,
on and off when you lose it, that's how That's
how I lost my first my first two. Yeah, another
question or shoot, I hope I didn't leave it in
the locker and in San Francisco or wherever you're playing
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that you're a good dreams. But no, it's awesome and
it's it's and it and it really is. Uh, it's breathable.
It's a shoot. They make them now. It's so many
different colors, and they have the have the real the
real uh ring. Look to it if you want it
or or however however you want it. But it's uh,
you know, it doesn't sweat, It doesn't really I don't
even know it's on there. Uh, but yes, so now
I don't take it off. I've played left, run, swim kids,
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picking up babies and every thing. So it's uh, it's awesome.
And their biggest thing is about commitment, you know, the
commitment you're showing by way and you're winning me all
the time. And and they, uh, they've committed uh lifetime
warranty to yousel if you do lose, there's something crazy
does happen even to the groover ring. You have another
incent right back to you. Most important question I can
ask you the old TV show is eight is enough?
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Is eight? Enough. Are you guys going back for nine
or ten? You guys going fullduggers on us with these
kids you've done at eight. Well, here's the first part
of that answer. I don't think you catch the duggers,
h But the second part is we just we're just
open God God to control. We'll see, we'll see what happens.
But we're very blessed with eight so far, and there's
no news about number nine at this point. All right,
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I appreciate it. Look forward to seeing you on the field.
We'll be down there in coast to Masa soon. Make
sure you keep it below ninety On that seventy three
they will get you. Don't matter how many touchdown pass
you throw. They don't care. In South Orange County, they
will watch you. Philip will talk to you real soon.
Right a dog. Hey, you said under nine and you're fine.
You think in the seventies you're fine? Yeah? I think yeah.
I think seventy four you're okay. I think that's that's
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what I've been told. But I mean what happens is
you get into that seventy three and there's nobody there
and you're like, man, I can punch it, and then
all of a sudden, they light you up. So I
think under nine you're fine. I mean, look, you're Philip Rivers.
You could probably go fourteen over. You could probably go
seventy nine. You'd be okay. I'm just set the cruise
at seventy four and you'll be all right. Hey, I'm
for eleven the past two years. You mentioned the Towyer interceptions.
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I'm getting no slat to win some games. They'll win
some games. I appreciate it, Philip say Dog Philip Rivers
joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show, God's in Control
Man eight. That's a lot, a lot
This is the best of the Doug dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Booming Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, Coming to you from the City of Angels.
There are lots of things that I try and implore
upon you that there are no more secrets. There are
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only facts yet to be revealed that you cannot fool players.
Can't fool them. You can feel the media, you can
fool for office members, you can even full coaches. You
ask players when the microphone's not on, and they often
will tell you the most logical truth about different players,
about different situations, because they know more about their chosen
craft than you and I ever could hope to. Can't
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fool players, can't fool players. Are no more secrets, only facts.
She had to be revealed. Common sense is not really
all that common. And here's one. You've got to have
a rabbi in the room. To have a rabbi in
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the room, what does that mean? What are you talking about?
God's Thursday? I just this is my last weekend before
football is on television. You realize that this is the
last weekend that football is not on your television. Granted
not great football. Next weekend with the Hall of Fame game,
but it is still football, Like, oh man, I can
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bet on it. If you're betting on preseason football, it's
like you're betting on WNBA. You have a problem anyway.
You're trying to think less, and I'm going to employ
you to think more because it relates to your job
or to any new job that you might think about taking.
I've got to have somebody in the room, in the
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decision making room wherever that new job is, that knows you,
understands you, doesn't just want the good in you, understands that. Look,
we all have things that set us off. We all
have a downside. Even the Schwartz head of downside right
force has a downside, the schwartz head of downside. And
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if you don't believe me, look at Cardile Jones. Cardil Jones,
of course, a backup and a project with the Buffalo Bills,
is only there one year and yesterday he's traded to
the San Diego Chargers. Now there's a litany of reasons.
It's interesting. One it tells us that the look they
took at RG three Santego Charger. Sorry, old habits die hard.
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They've yet to play a game as the LA Chargers.
But we told you, they just wanted to take a
look at RG three, and that look told them they
should go elsewhere. RG three failed to impress and Cardiel
Jones new head coach, Anthony Lynn, came from the Buffalo
Bills organization last year. In other words, Anthony Lynn, the
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head coach of the Chargers, is in fact his Rabbi
in the room. Hey, we need a backup quarterback. We
need somebody young, We need somebody who has potential to
learn from Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers will join us at
two o'clock Pacific coast time, five o'clock East Coast time
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. We need somebody who
can learn from Philip so that maybe maybe if Philip
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needs a game off, maybe if he goes down with
injury doesn't usually get hurt, or maybe in the not
so distant future, we would have another option, because we
simply don't have one right now. They looked at RG three.
The look went so well that they turned elsewhere, and
they turned to a player that the head coach worked
with last year, knew last year, and feels like has
more potential for success. Within their system than RG three. Conversely,
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the reason Buffalo would let him go they have a
new general manager, a new head coach, two guys that
have no ties to Cardle Jones, and so with no ties,
there is no rabbi. There is no one preaching the
virtues of Cardalle Jones in the room. That is the
Buffalo Bills. You understand the rabbi in the room. You
look at players who leave places and oftentimes they go
to they go to a new team that has a
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position coach, or a coordinator or even a head coach
who coached them previously. Like, what is the what's the
thought on Kirk Cousins? Where will he go next? Right?
Everyone says that when he's a free agent, the team
that will look hardest at him, will throw the most
money at him, is in San Francisco. Why is that?
Because Kyle Shanahan, once upon a time was his offensive
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coordinator in DC with Redskins. Right. In other words, Kyle Shanahan,
the head coach of the Niners, is the rabbi in
the room. Do you understand the concept good? The Baltimore
Ravens are, at least in the short term, in need
of a viable option at quarterback. They're in need of
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a viable option at quarterback, and their need of a
viable option because Joe Flacco has a bad back and
Joe Flacco is likely to miss most if not all,
of training camp, and the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator is
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Greg Roman. Their head coach is John not Jim John Harbaugh,
but John's brother is Jim and Greg Roman was the
OC in San Francisco when Colin Kaepernick was at his peak.
So I look at this and look, you got Ryan
Mallet there as the backup who has not shown himself
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to be a true starter in this league. He's had
multiple opportunities to do so. Was first in New England,
then in Houston and has bounced around ever since. Has
many of the attributes arm strength, size of a starter,
but no one there's no clamoring for Ryan Mallett to
be the starter. This is the perfect opportunity for Colin
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Kaepernick because the only way in which he gets a
job is if somebody can swear by Colin Kaepernick. Hey man,
he's actually a really good guy. Hey man, he's actually
super talented. You know what. I actually like Kaepernick and
the only people who can do that are people who
coached him previously. And though it's not Jim, it's John.
I mean to tell me, they haven't talked and Greg Roman,
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no one knows him better the good and even the
bad than people that have worked with him before. He
has rabbis in the room. And so I make this statement,
if Kain Kaepernick isn't signed by the Ravens, who's gonna
sign him? Who's gonna sign him? Do you remember when
Matt Flynn was a free agent. Matt Flynn was the
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backup quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers did
not play the final game of the regular season. This
is going back. How long is Russell Wilson in a quarterback?
Like four or five years and five years in the NFL.
So Russell Wilson is still in college and Matt Flynn
throws five touchdown passes in the last game of the
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regular season, and there was a clamoring for Matt Flynn
to be the starter. Matt Hasselback was the long time
backup in Green Bay. He leaves, goes to Seattle, takes Seattle,
takes Seattle all the way to a Super Bowl and
so because of it, the idea that hey, Matt Flinn's
a free agent, he can be a starter elsewhere. His
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offensive coordinator leaves and takes a job as the head
coach of the Miami Dolphins. Remember this, okay, So he
ends up signing with the Seattle Seahawks. The Dolphins did
not offer him a deal that matched up with the
Seattle Seahawks. Flynn ends up getting beaten out by Russell Wilson.
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Russell Wilson, of course, ends up taking the Seattle Seahawks
to two Super Bowls, winning one of them. The rest,
as they say, is history. Flynn ultimately returned to Green Bay.
But the point was this. When your offensive coordinator leaves,
goes to Miami Dolphins, Dolphins at the time where in
need of a quarterback, and he doesn't sign Matt Flynn,
it tells you what he really thinks. Matt Flynn, he
had a rabbi in the room, and that rabbi did
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not stand up and go, I bless this quote this
player to be a starter on my team. It actually
cuts both ways. It would make a ton of sense
if John Harbaugh, armed with Greg Roman, is offensive coordinator
needing a starting caliber quarterback, reaches out and gets Colin Kaepernick.
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Rabbi in the room, calls Jim. Jim says he's good.
Roman says he's good. I know I can make it work.
I can talk Colin down off the idea not going
to be the long term starter. We know it's Flatco's position,
but we really value him, really need him. Get him
into camp. Let's get him up and go it. But
if they don't, if they don't, you already have these
other knocks against him. Has had knee surgery, has had
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shoulder surgery, hasn't really been an elite quarterback going back
in the last three years plus. Whatever you think of
the protest, it is some level of distraction and no
one he tells everybody wants to be a starter, doesn't
want to be a backup. Means also starter money, although
he hasn't told anybody what he'll play for. If guys
that know you and supposedly have all the background of
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your best moments in the NFL, as Greg Roman does,
and they don't sign you in their need of a quarterback,
it tells the rest of the league stay the hell away.
So another saying we have is the league tells you
all you need to know. You may think a guy
isn't a starter, but the league tells you. You may
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think a guy is not worth a certain amount of money,
but the League tells you that's because you're You're worth
what somebody is willing to pay you. Your car is
worth what somebody's willing to pay for it. Anything you
have is only worth It's not what the book value is.
It's what somebody's actually willing to pay. And the league
will tell you. And if his Rabbi in the room
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doesn't come through form and offer him a deal, the
league will then back away and the League will tell
you forget protests. We don't think we can entrust him
to be our starter. The rabbis in the room didn't,
and we'll follow suit. Here's Jarn Harbaugh, head coach of
the Ravens, talking kind of openly about having conversations with
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Colin Kaepernick previous to this news. You know, I've known
Colin really, you know, through my brother for many years,
and we've talked and then got to know him really
well when they scrimmage here and he and I have
been talking, you know, throughout the summer a number of times.
We've had some great conversations on the phone. I mean,
it's really been a pleasure to talk to him and
get to know him. And you know, I like history
and politics and stuff too, so you know, we've had
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some debates and it's been fun and he's a great guy,
and uh, he's a guy. Right now, that's uh, that's
being talked about and we'll just we'll just see what
happens with that. I think that's uh, it'll all be
speculation right now. But uh, but I think he's a
really good football player. As I said at the Owner's means,
I do believe he'll be playing in the National Football
League this year. Yeah, look, I believe he'll be playing. Well,
you need a quarterback, right, Your coordinator was his coordinator
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in San Francisco, right, Your your brother coach him, and
he took your brother to a Super Bowl, an NFC
championship game, right, Like, if it doesn't happen now, he's
not getting back in this league because the rest of
the league's been like whall, wait a second, why would
the Raven sign it. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So my dad started
a travel basketball program before it was AU basketball and
the coach AU Basketball. And I remember when Jared Dudley,
who really wanted to go to Oregon that was actually
his dream school. I don't know if he shared that
on national radio. We may have shared that with me before.
Jared Dudley was also a little bit let's just say
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pudgy in high school, and so West Coast schools didn't
recruit me. He went and played with another West Coast guy,
Craig Smith at Boston College. Had a great career. Both
end up in the NBA. He's still in the league
playing with the Phoenix Suns, and he was like so
many of his former AAU players. He was watching to
see Zion Williamson last night, first time to see him
in the West Coast play against the big baller brand.
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He joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Did
you watch in person or did you watch online online? Yeah,
all NBA players have been hearing about Zion and all
his highlights. He looked like Lebron in his highlights team.
He's just the guy all the hype and gonna be
a pretty good player. So I wanted to just you know,
just like everyone else live streaming it. Okay, So like, look,
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we've seen showcase games before. It feels like there's more
Showcase games now than real games back when you played,
and then of course when I played, like a decade before,
you played, like the games used to they used to
be you lose at some point, you lose and go home.
Now it's like you're losing, you just go play another
another game. All right. So let's start with Zion. Were
you able to get a real sense of how good
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a player he was, considering there wasn't much defense, there
wasn't much offense. It was just really up and down
a little bit. I saw Lebar basically triple team and
his strategies of coaches that you bunk up the game,
full court press, hope the team plays sloppy and play
your style. But Zion to me is a three four
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hybrid cann shoot the ball right now. But that's something
you can improve. I just think right now, he's for
physically mature and grown than everyone else, kind of like
a Julius Randall in Kentucky. You know, he reminds me
of that any way, And this is before you do
you remember Shae Cotton. Yes, there's a lot of Shae
Cotton to him right we left handed Now he's a
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lot thicker than Shay was, yes, but left handed kind
of in between positions. Doesn't shoot it really that well,
but handles it really well and explosive at the rim.
And I just I wonder with the way the NBA
is trending, Like I know you you can obviously improve.
Nobody's as good as shooter ATIF at seventeen as are
at twenty and twenty one. Shae Cotton was the name
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I most thought of when I was when I saw
him play last night. I'm with you on that. But
when you get a guy that's this athletic early that
can score so easy in high school basketball, his shooting,
he's not going to be able to need to be
able to shoot to get to the NBA. And that's
why we're the coaching as on Twitter last night was
going off, were to put these guys in the right position. Fundamentally,
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he can handle with basketball. He actually has a good
iq of playing the way, but sometimes it's lost in
aau Because I caught it late. I didn't really play
AU basketwort to my junior senior year and I do
a high school camp now that have all the best
players from San Diego. Jalen Hans is going to u
c l A. Every team, every city has one hundred
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AAU teams don't practice. They go to these games and
it's pickup. There was a one play called last night,
did you play a rock Fish? Who did you play for?
I played for Ebo maybe my senior year. I played
for the Pumps. I never met Jordan Farmer, Nick Young,
and I just show up in their team. But those
kids knew how to play, you know, and even has
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flashy as Nick is. Nick defensively would kind of get
after at times, but he knew how to move the ball.
And we beat Dwight Howard, Josh Smith and Atlanta Celtics
in the finals. Yeah, Atlanta Alas. Atlanta Celtics were absolutely loaded,
kind of back in the day. Jared Dudley joining us
all right, so as a former player and a former
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AU guy, a four AU player that made it to
college and made it to the pros. Like my take was, like,
I don't think that's how all AAU basketball is even now,
But that's what people will think all AU basketball is,
and I feel like it's a bad look for the sport.
What's your take as an NBA player. Definitely a bad
look in the sense of the style of play and
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the reason why we see that because these are two
of the best upcoming players in the country. So that's
why we're gonna spot, shout and watch this game. Do
I think every game is like that? No? Do I
think that the general? Yeah, I think the general is
less fundamental, more athletic now, which is not a problem
of being athletic. We've just got in it because kids
are coming into college earlier, I mean, and getting into
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the pros earlier nineteen and you see all of them coming,
but you don't You guys don't hear the stories of
them only lasting one or two years and having to
go overseas or not making it those kids. So I
think generally NBA players they look at that game high.
They looked at the athletic ability of Zion and to
see how he's going to develop. But besides that and
not really uh you mentioned how you know you played
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two different AU programs. I do feel like some of
how guys change teams in AU now more so than
like when I was when I was coming up. I
think that plays out in college with all the transfers,
and I think it's part of what allows guys to
look outside their teams in the NBA. Do you think
the kind of AAU team switching mentality is one of
the things that's that's led players to not being afraid
(16:49):
to switch teams in the NBA somewhat, especially with the
generation coming up. In mind, where you played against these
guys in junior high, you played against them in AAU
in high school. I would say even now, think of
high school basketball and San Diego is a rule you
can transfer and not have to sit out. So now
a kid who doesn't get playing time, instead of working
(17:10):
his butt off in the summer and showing the coach
the parents are taking them out and trying to take
him to this school so he can play twenty minutes.
I got to deal with AU coaches saying, hey, I'll
bring my kids to your camp, but I wanted to
play in the elite division even though they're not elite.
So I agree with you. Is the AAU basketball especially
more I just saw Lebron teaming up and now Kevin Durant.
(17:32):
It'll happen even more because these players are so used
to each other they're changing teams all the time. Okay,
so there's lots of discussions about your team, the Phoenix
Suns making a move to acquire Kyrie Irving. Give it.
Give us the inside scoop, like, are you helping Kyrie
pick out a new house in Scottsdale. I don't think
it's going to happen. I think the Sons are content
with this youth movement in the sense of if you
(17:54):
trade for Kyrie and you give up a couple of
your young assets of Josh Jackson a pick, it hurts
you long long term. Kyrie's very good, But the question
is can Kyrie be a franchise guy by himself to
make everyone to take everyone to the next level. And
that's the question mark. We all know he's an elite
skill player, top five, top seven point guard and Jay
(18:14):
hits big shots, but I don't know if it's worth
mortgaging your whole future and Sons on a two or
three year plan to eventually when Golden State's coming down,
they're coming up in their prime years with their young guys,
and I don't know if Kyrie is the fit. He's
a great player, but the question is the fit? Okay,
So what's your reaction when you hear guy who's been
(18:34):
to three straight NBA Finals wants to move to a
different team. Now it hasn't just been the Suns. There's
been talk of talk of the Knicks, has been talk
of the Spurs. But like, give me the real sense
in the NBA when it's been said Kyrie Irvan wants
to be traded. And look, the Cavs had a press
conference yesterday and not once they say we are not
trading him. He doesn't. No one has denied this story,
(18:56):
and so once it gets a week out, it's obviously
an accurate story. What's your reaction into that story. I
think he lets perspectives in the sense of I understand
you might want your own team. I understand that you
want to be your own guy, which is fine. I
think that in sports it's about winning. It's not about
a brand. You already have a great brand. Lebron has
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a great brand, so does Russell Westbrook. This is about
winning titles, and you have a great opportunity where you've
already won one. You might not be the favorite, but
you're going to be in the finals unless an injury happens.
Knock on wood. I think that the immaturity if Auch
a young age or wanting to do that, that's going
to happen. Lebron can leave in a year and people
think that he's going to be stranded, he actually would
(19:39):
have more leverage next year because he'd be in his
final year of this deal. Now they can trade them
to Indiana, you tall, wherever he wants to that list
that he named, throw that list out the war. They're
not listening to him. They're listening to the best deal,
and that it might be one of those teams. I
just think, hey, sometimes when you get to all the
success and you get all the fame and the notoriety,
(19:59):
which you wouldn't have gotten if Lebron wasn't there, sometimes
he can get your kids head. I don't know if
it's his head, but you know what, regardless, he's going
to be successful. He's a good player. I just think
that he has once in the last time opportunity playing
with le Bron getting championships. Jared Dudley from the Phoenix Suns.
You're giving us all things giving us au give us
his au thoughts and giving us his thoughts on ky
(20:20):
Ree Irving. Jared great stuff man, thanks for joining us
as Jared Dudley. That's the most honest current NBA player
I've ever heard. Look, I don't I don't agree with
everything he said, but like there's a dude in the league.
He's like, Now, I don't think it's gonna happen. They're
going to youth them. The one thing about the Suns
deal is this, what he's talking about is the Sons
(20:42):
don't want to part with Josh Jackson. The Cavs have
asked for Josh Jackson be included in the trade. Remember,
just because you ask for Josh Jackson and you don't
get him doesn't mean that the Calves won't ultimately have
to make want to make that deal. Right, You always
ask for more than you that's a negotiation. How much
do you want to how much you want to sell
your house for it? You always listed for more than
you expect to get for At least that's how eyebrow.
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Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. There's a
reality at some point that settles in, right, like, uh,
you know, you go through this when when you move,
like the boxes are all put away and you wake
up and you're like, wait, this is my new home. Right,
(21:26):
there's a new coffee place, there's new neighbors, there's new
like you take your kids to a new school. It
kind of becomes a reality. I'm wondering if that reality
has set in with the LA Chargers, right, they haven't
yet played a game in Carson where they're gonna play
for the next couple of years. They they just now
getting to camp in Costa Mesit's and new, but it's
still it's not I don't know. Let's catch up with
(21:48):
the the uh one of the all time great quarterbacks
in NFL history, let alone in San Diego Charger history,
now in LA Charger quarterback Philip Rivers joins us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Has it set in yet that
La that Orange County is the home even though you
haven't yet to actually play a game in Carson. Having
(22:08):
a little trouble with the cell phone connection, We'll reconnect.
We'll reconnect with Philip Rivers, who joins us, that's what happens.
You know, when you're caught somewhere between San Diego and
Orange County, you end up getting end up that's in
that Santa and No Free used to be a nuclear
power plant. Now it's probably a cell phone dead cell
(22:29):
phone area. That's really what it kind of comes down to.
That happened to me. Philip Rivers joins us on the
Doug Gottlib Show. Has it set in yet that you're
no longer a member of the San Diego Chargers? It's
now really Los Angeles? Is the reality set in? Hey, Doug, Yeah,
good to talk to you about the connection. It's settling in.
I tell you, I just got a picture. Actually, our
(22:51):
equipment manager, Bob Wake just sent me a picture of
our lockers in our training camp site. We're about about
forty eight hours away from reporting and uh and so
it's starting to settle in. I mean, it's been thirteen
years since I've reported to a training camp or going
to a facility, going to a practice build that I
literally am gonna have to punch it on my phone
how to get there. So it's it's starting to settle in.
(23:13):
I think the newness and the unknown. I add a
little bit of nervous. Nervousness to me, I mean, but
the excitement also and also asked the excitement. Yeah, I mean, now,
how far was it from you live in North County
in San Diego? How far was it from your house
to the facility before? It was twenty twenty between twenty
and twenty two minutes on a good day. I love this' between.
(23:33):
I love the exactness of it. So have you driven
this one? Because I know it's probably what four oh
five to seventy three. You got to make sure you
do the seventy three. Don't go cheap and go away
from the toll road. Now there's no doubt to do
seventy three. So what is it about forty forty five minutes?
I think it's a little longer than that. I think
we're pushing it all over an hour. But it's not terrible.
It's not terrible. It's just a matter of getting to
(23:55):
that seventy three. Once you get there, you know you're
home from me, You are home for you are home
for I will. I will warn you that though you're
Philip Rivers and you're a future Hall of Famer, to
the rest of us, I'm not sure if the Orange County,
if the High po knows exactly how big a thing
you are, seventy three, they do have some guys with
lights on their roofs. Make sure you make sure you
keep it under about seventy four there, Okay, okay, Telly
(24:18):
telling you from personal experience. I'm wondering, though, if as
as hard as last season was, with all those games
that you led in the fourth quarter and you guys
had slip away, if it's not if it's not better
that you start anew in the news, Like I know
you guys didn't want to leave San Diego, and because
the stadium couldn't get built, the team decided to move.
(24:39):
But you kind of needed something new considering how many
games you gave away last year. Is that is that fair?
You know? I think so, I really do, especially for
our young guys. You know, our young guys. You know,
let's say our guys have been here only two years.
We've been four, twelve, five, and eleven, and then even
guys that have only been here a few years since
you know, Li's to the playoffs and thirteen and won
(24:59):
a playoff game. But there's only a handful of guys
that were here when it was rocking at Qualcomm and
this environment here was awesome the last few years, and
largely due to higher performance plus all the stadium saga,
it hasn't been an environment that's been like this is awesome,
you know. So for those guys you throw in losing,
(25:21):
having two terrible seasons and all that was going on
and stadium half full, I think for those guys even
more so, the change up is like, yeah, let's let's
do something new, you know what I mean. So I
think even then they're even more excited. They don't have
the memories that be and Antonio and all of us
had of it down in San Diego. So, uh, there's
a lot that adds to that adds to it. But
(25:42):
I agree with you and I think the new venue,
that new change, some of that freshness, uh maybe may
be good for us. And then if we can just
stay healthy, I believe we can. Uh we do a
lot of good things this year. Yeah, poor Keenan Allen right,
like two years a row getting hurt and a guy
who everybody thinks can be a superstar now trying to
get back healthy. We want to ask you your your
own performance, Like, look, there's other factors. Keenan getting hurt
(26:03):
changes it changes the progression of you know, who's your
number one, your number two becomes your number one. You've
had other interests. Antonio being suspended started last year as well.
That hurts you, guys. You know, Melvin Is as a
rookie was not as good as he was last year.
Melvin is a second year player. But you personally struggled
for the first time long time to maintain the football
like you had twenty one interceptions, you had turnover issues.
(26:26):
I know it's not all you. I know there's offensive
line issues. But what have you been able to go
back in the film and pick up that's going to
allow you to get back to the form of the
previous decade. Yeah, well, I mean you said it, and
I ask the number one thing I got to improve
on is is protecting the football. And I know that's
a priority for every quarterback. It's one I took great
(26:47):
pride in. Not that I've been the best of the league,
but I've been pretty good over the last decade, as
you mentioned, But I gotta do a better job with that.
And and you know, at first, I mean shooting, I
don't shot away from I got to ultimately the ball
comes out of my hand and to end up in
my receiver's hands or and nobody's. But every innercending has
a story and and I and and that hasn't made
me make any excuses for him. But it could have
(27:09):
been twenty eight intercepts last year, and dang sure could
have been twelve, you know. I mean, you just likes
the windows sometimes. Uh, that doesn't make it okay. I'm
accountable for each and every one of them. And I
watch every pass of every season every year in the spring,
early winter, and uh, and kind of chart everything and
go through on what how was on my footwork? How
was I on the decision? Was it just a bad throw?
(27:32):
What could I have done differently? Did I just miss it?
You know? All those things? And uh, I look with
for me to believe or not doing in the year fourteen,
it was if I take the correct drop, correct footwork,
if I stay right there in the pocket and use
those mechanics, and thrilled that we've all done for our
whole life, that I that I'm really, really as an
asset in my mind that I'm good at, then usually
(27:53):
good things happen. And when I venture out and do
a little bit different, drop and a little bit different
and get a little careless movement or move to bad
things happen. And so I think for me, it's just
been that go back to that very fine little details
and uh, don't get bored with him and know that
ultimately there's a direct correlation and usually good or bad
(28:14):
things happening when you get out there on Sunday or Monday.
All right, so you got you got Whizz back as
your offensive coordinator. What does this do to change your offense? What? What?
What changes will? We are are tangible that we can see.
Obviously it's far different for you, but for us as fans,
you get reunited with Ken wizen Hunt, what should we expect. Yeah, well,
(28:35):
I think you're you're gonna from a from a from
a uh scrematic standpoint, it's gonna look the same with
outside and I And in many ways it's been the
same on the inside having him here, uh you know,
uh a few years ago and then back last year.
I mean it's uh, it's good. He and I have
a really good relationship. He and I have a great
deal of trust in one another. So there's a lot
(28:55):
of time spent throughout the week on in the preparation
of of different checks. If we see this, what do
you think about this? If you send that, what do
you think about that? And he's he's I don't like
you in the word freedom, but he's great with giving
me that quote unquote freedom to oh you see this, Yeah,
go for it, go for it. Not that he's just
saying yet, do whatever you want out there. It's stuff
(29:16):
we've talked about. But he's I think there's that trust
that's grown through games and games and practices and meetings
and so uh, he's a great manager of people. He's
great in front of the room and kind of keeping
that whole offensive unit on track. So I decided excited
that with us is with us here and and then
coach Linn comes in here and his demeanor and direction
(29:38):
he's given us has been has been great so far.
So obviously we got to get into training camp and
get going, but so far, so good. All right, Mike
Williams not fully healthy, but is a big play wide receiver.
How difficult do you think it's going to be to
get him integrated into what you want to do catching
passes from you? Considering he's still not at optimal health
to play early in the pre season. Well, he definitely
(30:00):
is behind. I think. I know Coach Linz said it,
and there's no denying it. I don't think that it's
a matter of gosh, I need to throw him a
plant or I need to throw my hit. I need
to really really throw those because I don't know how
well that's going to take. It's not about that. I
think that you get figured out in about thirty minutes,
but it's it's it's just the ends and outs of
the offense and getting lined up and knowing all the
(30:21):
different concepts and just as I mentioned in the previous question,
we may change a play that we didn't talk about
or he didn't know or you know, didn't know what's
coming in the middle of a drive and he's stuck
in the slurt receiver and can't he can't he do
it quickly. And so I think that's where he's behind,
because he hadn't been out there the prester with us
those last ten weeks and there those OTAs, so he's
got some catching up to do. But he's he's worked
(30:43):
at it. He's been in those meetings and so he's
had the playbook and so Hopefully first he can get
healthy and then he can find his way out there
on the field and contribute, because there's no question the
big playability he brings in his size. But thankfully those
uh you know, Dontrell him and Keenan, Allen Tyler Williams,
Travis Benjamin, those four we got back and uh and
(31:04):
made a bunch of plays. Force last year you mentioned, uh,
you know, you mentioned Antonio Gates and I'm I watch
you guys, you know, every weekend, and I mean like
that he's not fast. He was never fast, but now
he's really not fast. How the hell does he get open? Like?
How does it work? We're a guy at a at
a sport to which when you can't run, you can't play.
(31:24):
How is Antonio Gates still doing it at this stage
in his career. Well, I tell you, I uh, he run.
He's still better than better than you give him credit for.
But I tell you, I mean you look, you looked
at the guy. Uh you look at the guy. He's
every week and he just you said, he finally way
to get open. He's great at great at his body
position and really what I think ultimately, yes, he was
(31:47):
very talented and he is you know, I don't want to.
I don't want to. Hopefully we're gonna he's gonna be
the all time touchdown tried in receptions history of the NFL.
He didn't play college football, and so I mean, I
give me chill see saying it. So I mean unbelievably accomplished.
And I could say a lot about the physical traits
on it he had. But I think the one thing
that really separates him is the man hates to lose.
(32:09):
He is he is the biggest He is competitive the
guys I've ever been around. It doesn't matter if you're
playing a game of dominoes and who argued about the man.
The man wants to win. And I think that's what
still drives him today is the last years, you know,
it hadn't been very good, and he hates losing, and
(32:30):
so he's excited and it seems rejuvenated about giving it
another go and helping us and contributed and and being
a big part of it. Since O six, you have
missed the game, have missed one. And then the studies
come out this week at one hundred and eleven UH
donated brains donated to science, one hundred and ten of
them had CTE at some point, like you know, look,
(32:51):
you have eight kids, you are a true family man,
and at some point your family has to have had
a discussion. But how long they want dad to do this?
Did you guys have that discussion after those findings came
out early earlier this week. We uh, we haven't had
the conversations in the last few days based on those findings.
We've you know, you talk about those things when different
(33:11):
studies come out and more and more intention has been
brought to it. I and I don't there. I want
to sign an insensitive to those who have suffered from
CTE or any of those one hundred and eleven in
those studies, and many many more than I'm sure have
been affected, both from football and unrelated to football. Uh,
but as it can as it relates to me, I
(33:33):
just I don't feel I don't think, you know, again,
I guess, I guess maybe I'm naive, but I think
in the position I play and uh, the hits I've absorbed,
I just don't feel like I'm at I'm at great,
great risk from a from my head trying a standpoint
and maybe people are listening on when that's the dumbestam
I've heard about I just I haven't. I haven't felt
(33:56):
have any had any visible you know, physically agible, Uh,
you know, symptoms of any trauma. And shoot, I'm thankful
for that. I know it can happen on the very
next hit of the very next game, but so I'm
sensitive to it. I'm aware of it all. But uh,
I feel I feel like I'm in a safe place
(34:16):
as far as our plan on playing and moving forward
as we as we carry on. Now, you wear that
groove ring, right, you wear that? It's a silicon wedding ring.
Did you always did you used to wear like the
metal ring? Because I remember, I'm trying to think who
was that used to always? Uh? Fitzpatrick used to wear
like the metal ring before? Like, now all you guys
wear this groove ring. That's that's that silicon? Is that
(34:38):
the one you've always worn? Yeah? No, I mean I
was always wearing the metal ring too, and I always
took it off of weights or either beat it up
in the weight room, always took it off for games.
And you're always you know, you're always on and off,
on and off when you lose it, that's how That's
how I lost my first my first two. Yeah, another
question or shoot, I hope I didn't leave it in
the locker and in San Francisco or wherever you're playing
(34:59):
that you're a good dreams. But no, it's awesome and
it's it's and it and it really is. Uh, it's breathable.
It's a shoot. They make them now. It's so many
different colors, and they have the have the real the
real uh ring. Look to it if you want it
or or however however you want it. But it's uh,
you know, it doesn't sweat, It doesn't really I don't
even know it's on there. Uh, but yes, so now
I don't take it off. I've played left, run, swim kids,
(35:22):
picking up babies and every thing. So it's uh, it's awesome.
And their biggest thing is about commitment, you know, the
commitment you're showing by way and you're winning me all
the time. And and they, uh, they've committed uh lifetime
warranty to yousel if you do lose, there's something crazy
does happen even to the groover ring. You have another
incent right back to you. Most important question I can
ask you the old TV show is eight is enough?
(35:43):
Is eight? Enough. Are you guys going back for nine
or ten? You guys going fullduggers on us with these
kids you've done at eight. Well, here's the first part
of that answer. I don't think you catch the duggers,
h But the second part is we just we're just
open God God to control. We'll see, we'll see what happens.
But we're very blessed with eight so far, and there's
no news about number nine at this point. All right,
(36:04):
I appreciate it. Look forward to seeing you on the field.
We'll be down there in coast to Masa soon. Make
sure you keep it below ninety On that seventy three
they will get you. Don't matter how many touchdown pass
you throw. They don't care. In South Orange County, they
will watch you. Philip will talk to you real soon.
Right a dog. Hey, you said under nine and you're fine.
You think in the seventies you're fine? Yeah? I think yeah.
I think seventy four you're okay. I think that's that's
(36:25):
what I've been told. But I mean what happens is
you get into that seventy three and there's nobody there
and you're like, man, I can punch it, and then
all of a sudden, they light you up. So I
think under nine you're fine. I mean, look, you're Philip Rivers.
You could probably go fourteen over. You could probably go
seventy nine. You'd be okay. I'm just set the cruise
at seventy four and you'll be all right. Hey, I'm
for eleven the past two years. You mentioned the Towyer interceptions.
(36:47):
I'm getting no slat to win some games. They'll win
some games. I appreciate it, Philip say Dog Philip Rivers
joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show, God's in Control
Man eight. That's a lot, a lot
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