July 11, 2024 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arringon react to the newest series Receiver. There's a new number 1 in the world of college football. Plus, Senior NFL reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer, stops by.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings and Brady Winn and Jonas Knox
on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We get a group in the NFL that takes part
in a play and it's probably one of the more
you know, influential pieces of what's what would be a
completion in the passing game. And finally they're getting their shine,
they're getting their opportunity to step in the spotlight as
(00:34):
it was sort of it started to be, you know,
out there Receiver. The Netflix series which falls around pass
catchers with which within the NFL uh obviously highlighted by
Peyton Manning being a part of this talking about this,
But a lot of buzz now coming out about this
Netflix series that's coming out following some of the best
receivers in the game, guys like Justin Jefferson, guys like
(00:56):
Alvin Ross, Saint Brown, now George Kittle's a part of
it as the tight ends they cut looped in the
pass catchers, which I haven't seen yet. If there's so
many running backs that play a part in it given
the mismatch they can create. But either way, is this
something that even appeals to you LeVar as a defensive player.
Are you still waiting on like the edge rushers to
get there on the show?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean, I think the edge rushers and some defensive
players would be more entertaining, But no, I'm not. I like,
if it's good programming, I'm in for it. Like I
like those names, I'd like to get to know them,
you know, through through the journeys that they create through content.
(01:35):
I love content, so you know, that's that's my life.
I live in content. So yeah, I don't have a
problem with it.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is part of this ultimately though, because they couldn't get
quarterbacks to do a season two. I mean, the reality
is they couldn't get some of the bigger name, bigger
stars to do a series of quarterback After going through
and looking at the various journeys of guys like Kirk Cousins,
Marcus Mariota and seeing kind of guys at different points
in time in their career where they did the quarterback series, Like,
(02:04):
do you feel like this is more of a fail
and a pivot or is this just the evolution.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Of maybe what the show was always going to be?
You know, I would say.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I would say that that's that first one I thought
Peyton and his crew did an amazing job of representing
the players that participated.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
So I don't, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Why a another group of quarterbacks wouldn't want to do it.
Now I'll say this would it could have become hard
to sustain because there's only so many quarterbacks in the league,
and really only so many that are interesting to want
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to spend the resources to follow them around and and
and do you know something with them. Maybe that might
be what it is you're looking at it from a
scalability situation, But I didn't feel like there was anything
that jumped out at me when I saw the first
season with the quarterbacks that would say, outside of maybe
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with Mariota and what played out with him, But that
didn't have anything to do with with the cameras or
anything like that. That had everything to do with, you know,
how he handled the situation in Atlanta, So that would
have been the only thing. I mean, for Kirk Cousins,
it probably it probably helped him get the contract that
(03:35):
I know might sound crazy, It probably helped him get
the contract that he ended up getting from Atlanta because
it made him more of a household name.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Kirk Cousins was kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
An obscure player that we knew made money off of
the contracts that he made, but wasn't quite a totally
elite quarterback in the league in terms of how people
viewed him publicly. I feel like this show really gave
context and color to who Kirk Cousins was and actually
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made him more of a consumable and likable figure as
a player and as a person. So to me, I've
always looked at content as if, especially a major major
outlet Q comes to you and wants to do coverage
on you, have a strategy, have a plan. Content is
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really only a way of entertaining and giving the listeners
and the viewers an opportunity to want to subscribe to something.
You know, it's probably already a captive audience most likely
that you're dealing with, and you create opportunities to grow
that audience and have retention of the audience. So to me,
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have a plan. If they're coming to you and they
want you to do it, have a plan and have
a strategy as to how you want to present yourself
and what it is that you want to grow. And
I thought that Kirk Cousins did an amazing job of
that on the show. Now, why other quarterbacks may not
have wanted to go forward doing it and being a
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part of it. Maybe they just don't they're reclusive. Maybe
they just didn't want to make the time to do it.
Their rest time, their study time, their family time was
more important. There could be a few things as the
reason why quarterbacks didn't want to do it. Maybe it
could have had a negative impact on maybe what you know,
their popularity is within the market that they're playing in,
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or even with their teammates. I don't really know, but
I think opening it up and it not just being
purely driven by the quarterback, even though the game is
purely driven by the quarterback on the field, I think
they give themselves a chance to possibly have a sustainable
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product and what they're doing with the show.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's interesting you bring up the point that you think
that he signs the deal in Atlanta based off the show,
which don't I don't know how I feel about that, Like,
I don't know that I played much of a role.
I kind of wonder what role it played in creating
leverage for him being more likable in Minnesota through all
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of that.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Like, I think that was Probably.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The one thing that I built up was he became
this very likable figure with the team and everything else,
and even off the field as a family guy. And
so if anything, I feel like it maybe build up.
They made it stronger leverage for him to maybe stay
in Minnesota. However, they had already you know, kind of
declared their plans. So he moves on to Atlanta, even
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though you know, obviously Atlanta had plans on taking a
quarterback too, which didn't really end up mattering when it
was all said and done.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I find a few things interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
One of the things that stood out to me was
Peyton Manning talked about the one wide receiver he wishes
he could throw to all of NFL history, and the
name was Raymond Barry, which used to know was Johnny
Unitis's number one target going way back in the day
of the Baltimore Colts, who probably wasn't the fastest guy,
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but was a great route runner, had tremendous hands. People
are gonna be like, how the heck are you even
able to say this. I'm like, well, one, it's not
that I'm all I'm a student of the GID. It's
not that I won the Johnny Unitis Awards. So in
winning it, I kind of read up on Johnny Unitis.
I tried to watch whatever highlights I could find of him,
and that was his main target, and that was It's
(07:34):
interesting that that's who Peyton Manning. Of all the guys
he could have thrown to, the Randy Mosses of the
world for example, whoever else or even some of the
guys he did throw too during his time, Marvin Harrison, Reggie,
Wayne Dallas Clark. Yeah, obviously all the guys in Denver
as well. It's just there's something else that jumps out
at you though too.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You do know what's I don't know. I'm not going
to go down that road, but it does jump out
at you.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
You know. Oh, you're saying because he's white. Seriously, Yeah,
it kinda it's kind of weird. But are you saying
that it's a weird coincidence?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I mean outside of Brendon Stokely, he's maybe, like I
thrown a lot of white guys, you know, maybe.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't get that in the Yeah, I don't, you know,
I don't know, But what was the reason and what
reason then did he give?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't know if there was a much justification outside of,
you know, again respecting his game back in the day
and the way he the chemistry that he had with
Johnny Uniteds. But uh, that was just one little tidbit
that took from it. But I really want to point
out the fact that I wonder where guy was. He
wasn't even around for that, Like what was he?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I mean, arch is now, I will say this arch
arch raised them in the game. So maybe he had
the maybe he had the projector film up and would
show and was doing Oh yeah, maybe he was showing
them old films and stuff like that of of guys
that played the game the right way that that I
could easily see that being you know what it is
(08:56):
that he made them study the game from from a
different angle, a different and just a casual fan watching
it on television.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Because Barry's way too old.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean he's ninety one, right, So I mean that,
you know, playing with Johnny united Is he wasn't you know,
we Peyton's my age, We weren't around for that.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
You know. Like I talk about the steel curtain all
the time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I would have loved to play it in the lineback
and core with the still curtain, you know, But that's
me basing it off of and I you know Elsie Greenwood,
Dwhight White, you know obviously mean Joe green in that
and Holmes. I never saw them live Q, But I
(09:38):
certainly if you'd ask me what team I would want
to play for if I had the opportunity, imagine having
the opportunity to go into a game with Jack Ham
and Jack Lambert and Mel Blunt, I would have loved it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But I don't really know what that means.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I saw film on it, you know, I've watched it
in terms of the annals of it and things that
they showed throughout NFL films and stuff like that, But
that was my only experience with it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Is that partially because you're from Pittsburgh, Cause I feel
like some people, like I said eighty five Bears, like
that's another team that if you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Play one defense, and I did see them. Some might
say the two thousand Ravens. I don't know, but for me,
for me, it's one hundred percent because I'm from Pittsburgh,
one hundred percent. And and the idea of it is
that it built like the Still Curtain. What it just
was an extension of what the industry was in Pittsburgh. Obviously,
(10:34):
I end up in Pittsburgh because my grandfathers moved their
families from Virginia and Alabama to Pittsburgh for them to
go work in stell mills. Right, So my my grandfathers
were still still mill workers. So they were military and
still maill mark workers. Like that's just like, is it
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American as it gets in terms of hard hat blue
collar reports in your country?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Represents your family, And so I was raised on.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
On that those core values and the still Curtain was
our That was our physical you know that that was
our example of what being hardcore, hard knows tough.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know, what it represented.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It became the culture, It became what our city represented
to you know, what we wanted to represent to anyone
and everyone who wanted to know anything about Pittsburgh. So
I think it was more so that mentality as to
why I was into it the way that I was.
But I'm sure there's some type of connection there with
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with Arch and Barry, you know that or to Johnny
Unitas and Arch that made him feel the way that
he felt about, you know, wanting to play with Barry
at some point in time, you know, if he had
the opportunity to there's always that cool connection or story.
There's a background story that makes it more relevant.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, you're probably right. I mean, now that you kind
of make the case for it makes a lot of sense.
My big question here will you watch? Will you watch
this show when it comes out?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah? I watch it. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So no part of you, as a defensive player is
a little jealous. Slash looks at it and says, I'm
not going to really, you know, want to watch these
guys who are complaining about going across the middle, like
back in a day when I mean, and again, maybe
they talk about this, Maybe they talk about the different
changes in the game and how it's protected a lot
of these guys to allow them to have the production
(12:32):
that they're having. I mean, if you want to look
at the offensive explosion we've seen in the NFL, or
one of the reasons why you know, wide receivers are
some of the highest paid nine quarterbacks and why they've
become such a critical part.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Of any team. It's now to me at.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Least shape with the fact that they're allowing the rules
allow for them to be able to venture in.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Parts of the field where as you would.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Say in the SERENGETI was you weren't going like that
was just an area, Like you weren't going to roam
across the middle of the field when you certain type
of safeties, linebackers, players that were gonna knock your head
off that the ball came your way. And that's one
of the things that I'm curious to see if they're
going to talk about in this is how the game
has changed to make the game in.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Ways i'd say somewhat easier.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I mean, even the emphasis on defensive pass interference, defensive holding,
allowing offensive players to create more separation because of the
emphasis on that, I'm curious to see if if they
cover this sort of thing or if it's just gonna
be more of a highlight of the different receivers, the
different catches, the drills, and behind.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
The scenes of what their life looks like.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You know. I feel like Peyton and his team does
such an excellent job of having the pulse of what
works like even for him for his personal brand and
how he does things and how he handles things. It's
very it's appealing, So I think it'll be done in
a way where it's appealing to the people who are watching.
(13:56):
Like I said, you got to go for your your audience.
Whatever your demo is, age, you know, race, you know
how much they make, whatever it is. You gotta find
your demo and you gotta live in that demo. So
he's not going to make everybody happy with how he
does the show, with how his company does the show,
(14:18):
But for the people that he has the information on
and the understanding of what they're looking for, he's.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Going to nail it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And I'm going to watch it, like I'm if it
gives light to what you just mentioned to you know,
if it's if it's about you know.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
The balance of family and playing the game.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
If it's the idea of what it looks like, of
how well the team may or may not be doing
unexpected twist and turns. The storylines are always there in
football during football.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Season, So I'll watch.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I mean to me, I think there's some good names,
you know on the on the list of people. Kiddle
is a super entertaining dude, almost like a you know,
like one of those w WE, you know, wrestling type
type guys. There there are personalities, you know, Brown is
on the show.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I believe, right yeah, I'm a right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean he you mentioned it in the notes, like,
dude is a he's he's a he's a very intriguing
dude just because of his upbringing and his dad being
a bodybuilder in the way that he you know, trained
him and uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
His his sons.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Uh, it's to me, it's one of those it's one
of those things where I think the guys are I
think they're interesting in the sense that you can always
find the storyline if they made it to the league,
if you're not lazy about your approach, you can always
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find what's going to be appealing. And what's interesting about
building the brand of a player because it more more
times more most often than not. Q. If you really
think about it, how many players that are playing the
game really in any league are are brand established. There's
not very many guys that have established brands to the
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masses of people that watch, you know, So I don't
for me, I think they do a great job of
establishing brands, like I mentioned with Kirk Cousins and and
so I'm interested to see how these guys come across
and in what the content that they're going to collect
on them as it applies to the game, you know,
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and all the elements that you're talking about, are they tough?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
What kind of person are you? You know?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Are you are you like an archaeologist or like like lightweight?
Like what males?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know? Males? Uh, what's males?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Garrett is like males Garrett loves like fossils and rocks
and and and dinosaur bones.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And that's like that, Like would you have imagined like that's.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What you do on your spare time, Like you got
Jurassic Park signs across your house and stuff like that.
Like I didn't know that, you know, I just thought
one thing. It turned out to be another thing. So
I'm just interested to see how they developed the storylines
of these guys and how it develops their brains, because
some people our natural heroes, others aren't natural villains.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, and it's interesting if you look at who's a
part of it, it's DeVonta Adams, Justin Jefferson, George Kittle, Deebo,
Samuel is one of the names I left out, Almen
ros Saint Brown. You know, two of the three or
excuse me, two of the five have already re upped deals.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Deebo's looking for a new deal as well.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Potentially, And so that's I mean, there are all at
different points in their career, and they're all different types
of receivers. Right DeVonta Adams is number one, but more
towards probably the end of his career. Justin Jefferson, we're
still in the prime portion of his career. Debo is
used in a variety of ways. You know, Amen Ra's
a guy who didn't come into the league, is a
first round pick, but obviously has become and emerges one
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of the best.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
And highest paid at the position.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And then George Kittle, who's you know, representing the tight ends,
which you know, you wonder did they ask Travis Kelsey today,
what are the tight ends?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Did they ask to be a part of this?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It would have been interesting to bring in some of
those personalities, given what we've seen from some of those guys,
But nonetheless it should be entertaining. I think one of
the low key takeaways that I've got from it is
the fact that it's NFL Films, Omaha Productions. It's the
same people have produced Quarterback, and it kind of highlights
in a subtle way because we talked about Peyton and
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at the start of this how well he's transitioned out
of the game of football.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I mean now where you've got streaming.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Platforms like Netflix who are buying these series and buying
these various things, where it's Peyton places and then Eli's places,
all the different platforms that he's kind of created within
his production company. And it's probably not talked about enough
for what he's done and done it his way where
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he hasn't chosen to go for a network. He just
started his own production company and now it's led to
a lot of the content they are saying. And that's
why I think Peyton Manning has been maybe one of
the best ever ambassadors.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Of the game of football with what he's done.
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, there's a number one player at top of the
EA Sports college football game that's coming back out.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Finally, did you used to play it back in the day, LeVar?
I did? Did you? I used to use myself in
the game. Yeah, yeah, so you played with yourself. I
play I was playing with myself. I bet you do.
I bet you were, Bud. I was really good at
it too, which I was.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I was called out by Shador Sanders because he said, oh,
you don't know the game that if you didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Play a mascot mode, which I was like, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I was like, first off, I'm not really a I
was not really a gamer anyway. I did to grow
up with video games. That's a whole nother separate story,
but he like, is this true, Like did.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
You play with mascot mo, because it must be like younger,
I don't recall that. Yeah, that might have been later on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It definitely was later on, but he made it like
a this is what you had to do, and I'm like, well,
that's fine, but I would rather play with like teams
that I recall from back in the day I grew up,
you know, watching and was like out in the backyard
throwing the football acting like I was, like, you know,
I was that player Cordell Stewart to Michael Westbrook the
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Hail Mary at lid. He was talking to Rick George
about that yesterday, just about how influential that specific play
was to me and my childhood and watching Colorado football.
But I digress. The Cats out of the bag. The
number one rated quarterback is Shude or Sanders. Heading into
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the EA Sports College Football game release.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
There's some other players up there.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Travis Hunter Junior, his teammate, the outstanding wide receiver cornerback,
also has one of the highest ratings. I think might
be the highest player in the game. But either way,
it's cool to have it back as part of it.
There's even players like Archie Manning, who there was a
report he wasn't going to be a part of He
wasn't going to be a part of the game.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Now he is going to be a part of the game.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Either way, I think it's a good sign for college
football continue to build the national brand that's more becoming.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
When I looked at the list and looked at the ratings,
I mean they did a top one hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Obviously, you know they don't have.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Shador in the top top ten. Top ten players though,
right if I if I saw it correctly, like it's
Travis Hunter is in there, but I don't think Shador
is in there as a top ten player? Am I
wrong on that? Am I? On my kind of like
what I looked up?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
But I don't know exactly the overall ratings.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I just know he's the number one ready quarterback in Okay,
which there's some Georgia.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Fans who might say, hey, we've got to a kid.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's a pretty dark target darget player in Carson Beck
that maybe should be up there.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Maybe there's some other.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Folks out there who feel like there's there's other quarterbacks
who could be in the mix. Cam Ward obviously it
was a heavily sought after transfer portal player. Now at
the at the U, maybe some people feel like he's
a dynamic special player. But whatever the case may be,
he is the top rated quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
For What's Top Rated.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, because I think Will Johnson he's the top overall player,
top overall player. And then you got guys like they
have two Georgia guys in the top ten, James Pierce,
who I love his game. He's an edge out of Tennessee.
I mean, I think that it's very competitive. I know
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that Penn State had Nick Singleton and Abdul Carter and
Kevin Winston as ninety one rated players. I know Abdull
posted like shade, you know, he felt like it was
wrong that they had him rated at ninety one and higher.
I think, I feel like everybody's going to have their
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their opinion and their idea of what their ratings should
have been. What did you care then? I cared? I cared, yeah,
but but it was like.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Thought about you and like what did you need to
put on you in a game?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I didn't even think of it that way back then though,
I wasn't aware enough to know that it was a
bunch of nerds doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
But I know it's a meat head comment. Yeah I
really mean that, but that's all good.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But I did care, And I think it's interesting because
in a way, Q, you're kind of you're kind of
setting the stage for what you may possibly see going
into post college season, into the Combine, and into the draft,
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depending on how these players perform. It kind of gives
you like a precursor for one for two for the players.
I think it's interesting because if you do care, well,
you know what, do something about it. So adds a
little bit of extra motivation. If I'm Shador Sanders, I
want to stay a highly rated guy. If I'm a
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guy that didn't get as highly rated as I wanted
to get, or you know, it didn't feel I felt slighted,
then go out there improve it, you know, go out
there improve it. So I think there's some interesting, interesting
things that could play out from the return of EA,
you know, college sports, college football.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
It'll be interesting to see social media.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Wise, how the players are reacting as the season you know,
starts and continues on.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well, there's there's a reaction from players, there's a reaction
from the media too, and there's an interesting article that
came out at CBS sports dot Com by Dennis Dodd
and ranking.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
The hot seats.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The hot seat rankings, I guess your annual coverage of
which college football.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Coaches make it canned.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Never an easy conversation to talk about, and I'm not
trying to make light of it and the impact that
it has on the coach, their family, other assistant coaches
that are on those staffs. However, they are compensated very nice,
very well for their services sometimes to not coach, so.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
You can't feel that bad.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But looking at this list at the top of the
list for teams that it's maybe now or never, Guys
like Sam Pittman, the head coach at Arkansas, it feels
like after a promising start, they've really kind of started
to fall off and lost the identity they once built.
It's only going to get more difficult.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Texas and Oklahoma the entering the conference.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Billy Napier, who hasn't been at Florida that long, but
in looking at what he's done since he's gotten there
and the struggles they've had in the past couple of seasons,
you just get a sense and feel that with this
schedule they have this year arguably the toughest in college football.
It's going to be hard for him to be able
to make it through unscathed and be able to still
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have his job in Gainesville.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
On the other side of it, that's just.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Two of the coaches that it seems like they've got
their work cut out for him, two of the bigger
names at two of the bigger programs. And I'm curious
because your thoughts on Crystal Ryan Day, who in this
article is. You know, they don't put his seat as hot.
They would describe it as getting warmer, and I would
challenge that assessment only because of the success he's had
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outside of against the rival that team up north. Because
if you're purely basing it on that, this season could
literally just come down to that singular game and if
they don't beat Michigan it you'd be hard pressed to
go through the history of the over Ohio State versus
Michigan and how many coaches were able to survive losing
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that many times. I mean, John Cooper falls in that category,
but ultimately he lost his job for not.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Beating Michigan enough. Yeah he did. I was there, I
watched it. I'll say I mean I was gone by
the time that happened. But you're right, he made this
point during the season this past season. If that's the
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premise of letting Ryan Day go, that he doesn't beat
Michigan enough, because now it's been two times that he's
lost to Michigan, I just I would just say then it.
You know, if he loses again for a third time,
nature has run its course and Ryan Day will go
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to another program and he will most likely have success
out another program because he's a fine coach. He just
hasn't been fine enough to beat Michigan. And I just
I made this conversation as it applied to I don't
want to bring Frank into it too much because he's
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not on the list, so thank goodness, I don't want
him on the list. But how do you find yourself
wanting wanting to replace and fire a coach.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That all he does is win? All Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Has done since taking over a daunting task. By the way,
who's going to just step in right after urban Meyer
and continue to win at the rapid clip that that
Ryan Day did?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
It was Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And because he loses two years straight to Michigan, you
want him out? Like, okay, you might bring in another coach.
What if that coach starts losing three years straight, three
years straight. Okay, you bring in another coach and he
starts losing more games, what are you going to do.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're bringing in new teams.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
There's going to be a team if you if you
remember who was the team when Ohio State was highly
rated and had a lot of a lot of national
championship expectations on them, what was the team that came
into the Horseshoe and beat them?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I guess say Penn State.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It was Oregon, Oregon, it was Orgon and now they're
in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Now Washington is in the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Ye these types of schools, they're going to come in
and somebody is going to get clipped by one of
these new teams.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And to me, you're you're we're.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Looking at these hot seats for guys like Ryan Day
who have had what his only loss last year, well
he had two love he had a loss in the
I don't count the bowl game, but his only loss
during the season was to Michigan.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
That was it? Like, that was it?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And you want him out that just as big as
the rivalry is, I get it, but it will never
sensibly make sense to me that a man lost one
game and you want him out. It never makes sense.
So if you only win, that don't I know it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But being from clubs Ohio, understanding the expectations for Ohio State,
understanding the perspective of Ohio State fans and how they
view Michigan and vice versa. You know, I've got Michigan alums.
I understand my family O House State alum and my
family understand. I completely get it because that's the measuring stick.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
They all need help. They all need help, that's true,
but I need the retail. That's that's the measuring stick.
And that's where like you can apply this to.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Could they lose every other game and as long as
they beat he beats Michigan and he's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Is he says that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There'll be elements of that, but I think we both
know that's a hypothetical that's probably not ever going to happen.
That being said, like you could apply that same thing
to anything in the business world. You know, when you're
in competition with an other TV network, you're in competition
of the business. You're measured against your competition, you're measured
against your greatest competitor arrival, sure, and that is ultimately
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what ends up writing the legacy and the story. And
that's the unfortunate part for Ryan da has been one
of the best college football coaches. That has just been
that game that's been elusive for them. And I do
think this year will be the turning of the tide,
you know. And it's nothing against Michigan, but they've lost
a ton transition year for Sharon morren out taking over
as full time head coach, and this is a very
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talented Ohio State team that should be able to take
care of business hosting that game in clubs frount Thanksgiving.
I do want to get to one more name that's
on this list, as Mario Cristoval, who hasn't been at
Miami very long. You know, he's been there now a
couple of seasons, however, to twelve and thirteen overall record
in that span. And remember he was paid a ten year,
eighty million dollars contract and they've hit the transfer big,
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spending tons of money. Cam Wore, their quarterback who they'd
taken from Washington State, is one of those guys to
remind you. And I also think it's tough to be
able to watch the mediocrity that's taken place when there
was initially so much excitement for Mario cristaball who returned
to South Florida. But also the fact you've had Florida
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State which has won the ACC in that span, and
you see if another in state school that's making headway
and improving under gust Blazon in the Big twelve, and
so it only makes the lack of production in the
ACC seem even that much more disappointing. I think for
a lot of Miami fans who had big expectations. So
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that is a team that is a school that even
with the gigantic buyout that it would be to move
on from Mario Cristobal.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
They've got a booster, write that check.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
John Ruiz has ponied up to try to win it
an ten for a playoff spot, and I do think
that year will be the year that they do it.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
But if they don't keep an eye.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
On that one, because that could be one that could
get a little bit contentious, a little bit crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Thank you're right.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
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Speaker 2 (34:20):
Now it's time for our guy, Albert Breer, who joined
us every week. He's the senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the Monday morning Quarterback. Albert, thanks so much
for taking the time to join us.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Where are you right now currently? Are you still summering somewhere?
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Yeah, same place there was last week.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
But yeah, we've got a little case of poison ivy
in our house, so.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
We maybe we may got this short day.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, you know what, full disclosure, Albert, I've got poison oak.
There was an oak tree that fell and I was
moving it off of this road on a property and
literally a week later, like my dad has helped me
kind of cut it up. But I've got poison oak.
He's got poison Navy poison oaks. Something it's not fun
to deal with. I'm right there with.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
You, man, because it's like there's he's just so helpless,
you know what I mean, Like especially the kid. Like
so it's our nine year old and I got it
here like two years ago. But my eyes were literally
swollen shut, like one was swollen shut. Then that one
started to heal a little, and then the other one
shut you know, well you know, and and like so
(35:23):
like you think about it with a kid, it's like
you tell the kids stop scratching.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They're not going to stop.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Oh, I've got a buddy who I guess I'll just
put it this way. He got it down in the
nether regions.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, I guess it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, I guess it had happened after he had talked
to his wife and thought maybe there's a chance for
an intimate moment, and when it didn't happen, all of
a sudden the next morning, they both realized like he
had some poison ivy down there. And uh, he kind
of looked at her and he said, well, this is
the cause and effect.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
So that's a good thing that they figured it out
that way. No, yeah, no, nothing that could have gone,
that could have got nothing happened. That's unfortunately why it
got on him down there.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
So yeah, I got one of my buddy, I got
I got one of my buddies from here and he
put like a I think.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
He puts some swim trunks up on like the clothesline to.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Dry him out or whatever, and it flew up the
clothesline into where like everybody got the push idea. I'm like, like, dude,
like I don't know if that stuff would stay on
your clothes. I just not would not like I would
not wear that that there swim trunks.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
A little while.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
So tang.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Uh, Yeah, that's that's one place you definitely don't want
to get it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
No doubt about it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
One place you do want to get it is in
the bank account. I would love for some sort of
spreading of cash in there. Like Dak Prescott, he's looking
for a new deal. Doesn't sound like they're gonna get
anything done before the season, Albert, but sounds like he's
looking for sixty million average annual value.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Part of that's what the leverage that he's got right now,
you know, is that you know, he it's gonna be
possible for them to franchise them because the number is
too high in twenty twenty five, because the way the
contract structure, the number would be up for an eighty million.
Obviously that's a non starter. And you know, when you wait,
this is the price you pay, you know, it's you know,
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maybe before this year they would have had an argument
to pay him less than that. But you know, like
since the end of the season, we've seen you know,
we we we've seen Jared Goff get paid. You know,
obviously you know Trevor Lawrence get paid, and and and
and now to and Jordan Love and dak are out
there without deals. But you know, in a sort of
(37:37):
new environment where the idea of a quarterback you over
fifty million dollars a year is been completely normalized. You know,
so if you're in a situation where you have leverage
and you say, okay, like well, like I have enough
money where I don't you know, I don't need to
jump at it right now. I can get to the
point where I'm a free agent after the year, and
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like this is where quarterback contracts are being negotiated. Plus,
like there are guys that are you know, i'd say
less accomplished than me in Jordan Loventua, who could still
get contracts before on the start of the season. You've
got all the power in the world to wait and
see where all that goes. And you know and say, like,
I'm not going to do a deal for something like
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at a number that's not really really.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Good for me.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Is Jerry Jones going to budge on any of the
three that well four really that are being discussed in
that man.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
I'm assuming the fourth year referrence is Mike McCarthy, right,
all right, Yeah, I think I think the most likely
would be would be CD because I think CD is
going to be most aggressive about pushing the issue. You know,
my guess would be that he doesn't show up for
camp without a new deal, and you know, you get
to that point and you know, now this is going
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to last over the course of weeks, and like the
Cowboys aren't exactly all that well fortified at that position,
and you know, obviously they've got a lot of people
in a win that spot, and that's going to get
CD some leverage. So I would say, like CD is
probably the most urgent one. You know, Dak maybe not
as much so, even though he's a quarterback, just because
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like I think he will show up and he will
be a good soldier, you know. Michael Parts is not
as much because he's got two years left on his deal,
although he could choose to push it too. I think
CD is probably the one that they're probably going to
be forced to take care of first.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
What outstanding news, I mean, I know Brendan Ayuk's looking for,
you know, his contract exception of some sort is that
gonna end up playing out it. I feel like we're
getting that point for some of these guys where they
want clarity going into training camp all the wise they made,
I might not want to think about it at all.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Yeah, And I think the Ayuk one is, I mean,
the Niners have shown they want to keep him, you know,
I mean there's no question if you look at like
what they've offered him, how far they been willing to go.
They're willing to pay him like a number one receiver.
So you know, if anybody a question about that, the
Niners have already sort of crossed that bridge and said, no,
we do view them as number one.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Really, I think a lot of like the IU situation,
comes down to contract.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Or it comes down to some marketing conditions.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
And you know, you had a couple of guys signed
earlier in the offseason, and DeVante Smith and I'm and
Ross Saint Brown and Jalen Waddell. Where you know, I
think I U could say I'm a better player than
those guys.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
At plus I've waited an.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Extra year right than they did. You know, those guys
are all are all.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
A year younger in the league than I.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
You kid, I spend the Alee year longer, you know.
And then obviously, okay, like now you got to get
closer to thirty million if you're the Niners, and then
justin Jefferson's contract hit that's thirty five.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
So how do you how do you.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Kind of square the difference between twenty eight where all
those other guys are or at or around and thirty
five that that that only further complicates it. And if
you're Ayk or his agent, you're not going to say, well, yeah,
we're going to do this deal as if it was February. No,
you made me wait till July. So now you got
to deal with the consequence of these other deals getting done.
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So I think the Iyuk one to me is like,
I think the Niners have an intention to get the
deal done.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I think wants to stay there.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
And this is less contentious than Deebo was a couple
of years ago. I just think because of some of
the other contracts that have come down, the pretty complicated negotiation.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Abe.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
We were just discussing the Raiders and we heard some
sound from Davante Adams about the quarterback situation there. Can
you give us some color if you if you have
some on you know, Q asked a great question.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
I'm curious what you would think.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Do you think Mark Davis will look at the success
of this team and base it off of how he,
you know, moves with the current coach with Antonio O.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Pierce? Is it is it?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Is it going to happen regardless of what the quarterback
situation is or will he give them a little bit
more time knowing Uh, the sense is that they did
not get the quarterback that they won it this offseason.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Well, they're really they're they're they're in a weird.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
Spot, you know, bull of Oar and I. You know,
it was no secret that they were they were.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
Sniffing around potentially trading up for for for jad and
Daniels and obviously that doesn't happen. So now they're sort
of in this like you know, quarterback limbow where they're
going to have you know, Gardner, Minshew and O'Connell you know,
compete for the job. And the weird thing about where
they are they've got like a handful of players that
would be really valuable to other teams that are really
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win now players that they may not be able to
give the opportunity to win now with, you know, like
so like it's it's it's Devanta Adams, is Colton Miller,
Max Crossy's younger than those two. But you know, I
think Prosby's another one where if they get off to
a rough start, like team's going to call, you know,
(43:05):
and whether or not you put DeVante Adams out there,
like teams are.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Going to call, and the other side of it isn't.
Speaker 6 (43:11):
And I don't think a lot of people have looked
like closely at his contract, but after this year, the
numbers just balloon right, like so effectively if you want
to look at his contract, this is probably gonna be
the last year that contract for him. So you know,
like I think the Raiders have to almost approach it
like he's in a contract year, and I think anybody
else would too. It's it's an interesting situation and and
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I do think, like again, like unless the Raiders come
out of the gates really fast, you're gonna hear about
teams calling about Kong on DeVante Adams in September and October.
And there's a very obvious, you know, potential landing spot
out there that that I think we all can guess
on that would reunite him with somebody that he played
with for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Albert last One before he let you go. The NBA
is finalizing their new TV deal. Well, the numbers look
absolutely astronomical. I keep saying every time the NFL redoes
their deal, you know, how.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Can it continue to keep going up? Is there a
bubble at some point? Maybe there's not. I think we
all know.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
If it's eighteen games in some articles you read nineteen
twenty games, that's the easiest way.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
When would the NFL look at trying to re up there?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Do I believe it goes to what twenty thirty three?
But they can the oters can opt out in company nine.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
Yeah, they have an opt out after twenty nine, which
I mean I think that that like has become a
pretty pivotal date with you know, obviously everything changing in
the way that people are consuming content, They've only become
more powerful, you know what I mean, Like, I mean
the way TV has died in so many different ways,
only your TV's died in so many ways. You know,
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the NFL has survived because live sports are the one
thing that people still, you know, treat his appointment viewing
like they'll sit down at a certain time and watch. It
is gold to the advertisers. And obviously, you know, the
NFL is the king of all the sports, so they
have that, and now they can kind of leverage that
(45:09):
against the streamers, who you know, their conditioning stands the
pay for streaming services, and you know you kind of
like look at all that, like right, like that that
whole setup they have now, and why wouldn't they want
to go in you know, three years earlier or whatever
the numbers. I think it's three years they could opt out,
and that of course has like a cascading effect where
(45:30):
it's it's like okay, like, well, if they're going to
renegotiate to the television deals after twenty twenty nine, well
then you know it's part of that that they want
to have an eighteen game schedule that they're going to
present to the television networks and put the bid for
with the streamers. You know, I would think it would
be you know, so you know, I certainly think like
(45:51):
that the NFL's as it always is, you know, and
this is one of those things where I think the
owners of them think they're responsible for doing this is
like kind of a born on their base thing in
football in America. You know, the NFL's well positioned to
to cash.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
In again and raise the bar again in a few years.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Absolutely incredible, but Albert, great stuff is always.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Really appreciate you taking the time this morning with us.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
I appreciate it.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings and Brady Winn and Jonas Knox
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
We get a group in the NFL that takes part
in a play and it's probably one of the more
you know, influential pieces of what's what would be a
completion in the passing game. And finally they're getting their shine,
they're getting their opportunity to step in the spotlight as
(00:34):
it was sort of it started to be, you know,
out there Receiver. The Netflix series which falls around pass
catchers with which within the NFL uh obviously highlighted by
Peyton Manning being a part of this talking about this,
But a lot of buzz now coming out about this
Netflix series that's coming out following some of the best
receivers in the game, guys like Justin Jefferson, guys like
(00:56):
Alvin Ross, Saint Brown, now George Kittle's a part of
it as the tight ends they cut looped in the
pass catchers, which I haven't seen yet. If there's so
many running backs that play a part in it given
the mismatch they can create. But either way, is this
something that even appeals to you LeVar as a defensive player.
Are you still waiting on like the edge rushers to
get there on the show?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean, I think the edge rushers and some defensive
players would be more entertaining, But no, I'm not. I like,
if it's good programming, I'm in for it. Like I
like those names, I'd like to get to know them,
you know, through through the journeys that they create through content.
(01:35):
I love content, so you know, that's that's my life.
I live in content. So yeah, I don't have a
problem with it.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is part of this ultimately though, because they couldn't get
quarterbacks to do a season two. I mean, the reality
is they couldn't get some of the bigger name, bigger
stars to do a series of quarterback After going through
and looking at the various journeys of guys like Kirk Cousins,
Marcus Mariota and seeing kind of guys at different points
in time in their career where they did the quarterback series, Like,
(02:04):
do you feel like this is more of a fail
and a pivot or is this just the evolution.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Of maybe what the show was always going to be?
You know, I would say.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I would say that that's that first one I thought
Peyton and his crew did an amazing job of representing
the players that participated.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
So I don't, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Why a another group of quarterbacks wouldn't want to do it.
Now I'll say this would it could have become hard
to sustain because there's only so many quarterbacks in the league,
and really only so many that are interesting to want
(02:53):
to spend the resources to follow them around and and
and do you know something with them. Maybe that might
be what it is you're looking at it from a
scalability situation, But I didn't feel like there was anything
that jumped out at me when I saw the first
season with the quarterbacks that would say, outside of maybe
(03:13):
with Mariota and what played out with him, But that
didn't have anything to do with with the cameras or
anything like that. That had everything to do with, you know,
how he handled the situation in Atlanta, So that would
have been the only thing. I mean, for Kirk Cousins,
it probably it probably helped him get the contract that
(03:35):
I know might sound crazy, It probably helped him get
the contract that he ended up getting from Atlanta because
it made him more of a household name.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Kirk Cousins was kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
An obscure player that we knew made money off of
the contracts that he made, but wasn't quite a totally
elite quarterback in the league in terms of how people
viewed him publicly. I feel like this show really gave
context and color to who Kirk Cousins was and actually
(04:08):
made him more of a consumable and likable figure as
a player and as a person. So to me, I've
always looked at content as if, especially a major major
outlet Q comes to you and wants to do coverage
on you, have a strategy, have a plan. Content is
(04:30):
really only a way of entertaining and giving the listeners
and the viewers an opportunity to want to subscribe to something.
You know, it's probably already a captive audience most likely
that you're dealing with, and you create opportunities to grow
that audience and have retention of the audience. So to me,
(04:53):
have a plan. If they're coming to you and they
want you to do it, have a plan and have
a strategy as to how you want to present yourself
and what it is that you want to grow. And
I thought that Kirk Cousins did an amazing job of
that on the show. Now, why other quarterbacks may not
have wanted to go forward doing it and being a
(05:13):
part of it. Maybe they just don't they're reclusive. Maybe
they just didn't want to make the time to do it.
Their rest time, their study time, their family time was
more important. There could be a few things as the
reason why quarterbacks didn't want to do it. Maybe it
could have had a negative impact on maybe what you know,
their popularity is within the market that they're playing in,
(05:36):
or even with their teammates. I don't really know, but
I think opening it up and it not just being
purely driven by the quarterback, even though the game is
purely driven by the quarterback on the field, I think
they give themselves a chance to possibly have a sustainable
(05:57):
product and what they're doing with the show.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's interesting you bring up the point that you think
that he signs the deal in Atlanta based off the show,
which don't I don't know how I feel about that, Like,
I don't know that I played much of a role.
I kind of wonder what role it played in creating
leverage for him being more likable in Minnesota through all
(06:21):
of that.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Like, I think that was Probably.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The one thing that I built up was he became
this very likable figure with the team and everything else,
and even off the field as a family guy. And
so if anything, I feel like it maybe build up.
They made it stronger leverage for him to maybe stay
in Minnesota. However, they had already you know, kind of
declared their plans. So he moves on to Atlanta, even
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though you know, obviously Atlanta had plans on taking a
quarterback too, which didn't really end up mattering when it
was all said and done.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I find a few things interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
One of the things that stood out to me was
Peyton Manning talked about the one wide receiver he wishes
he could throw to all of NFL history, and the
name was Raymond Barry, which used to know was Johnny
Unitis's number one target going way back in the day
of the Baltimore Colts, who probably wasn't the fastest guy,
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but was a great route runner, had tremendous hands. People
are gonna be like, how the heck are you even
able to say this. I'm like, well, one, it's not
that I'm all I'm a student of the GID. It's
not that I won the Johnny Unitis Awards. So in
winning it, I kind of read up on Johnny Unitis.
I tried to watch whatever highlights I could find of him,
and that was his main target, and that was It's
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interesting that that's who Peyton Manning. Of all the guys
he could have thrown to, the Randy Mosses of the
world for example, whoever else or even some of the
guys he did throw too during his time, Marvin Harrison, Reggie,
Wayne Dallas Clark. Yeah, obviously all the guys in Denver
as well. It's just there's something else that jumps out
at you though too.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You do know what's I don't know. I'm not going
to go down that road, but it does jump out
at you.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
You know. Oh, you're saying because he's white. Seriously, Yeah,
it kinda it's kind of weird. But are you saying
that it's a weird coincidence?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I mean outside of Brendon Stokely, he's maybe, like I
thrown a lot of white guys, you know, maybe.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't get that in the Yeah, I don't, you know,
I don't know, But what was the reason and what
reason then did he give?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't know if there was a much justification outside of,
you know, again respecting his game back in the day
and the way he the chemistry that he had with
Johnny Uniteds. But uh, that was just one little tidbit
that took from it. But I really want to point
out the fact that I wonder where guy was. He
wasn't even around for that, Like what was he?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I mean, arch is now, I will say this arch
arch raised them in the game. So maybe he had
the maybe he had the projector film up and would
show and was doing Oh yeah, maybe he was showing
them old films and stuff like that of of guys
that played the game the right way that that I
could easily see that being you know what it is
(08:56):
that he made them study the game from from a
different angle, a different and just a casual fan watching
it on television.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Because Barry's way too old.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean he's ninety one, right, So I mean that,
you know, playing with Johnny united Is he wasn't you know,
we Peyton's my age, We weren't around for that.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
You know. Like I talk about the steel curtain all
the time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I would have loved to play it in the lineback
and core with the still curtain, you know, But that's
me basing it off of and I you know Elsie Greenwood,
Dwhight White, you know obviously mean Joe green in that
and Holmes. I never saw them live Q, But I
(09:38):
certainly if you'd ask me what team I would want
to play for if I had the opportunity, imagine having
the opportunity to go into a game with Jack Ham
and Jack Lambert and Mel Blunt, I would have loved it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But I don't really know what that means.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I saw film on it, you know, I've watched it
in terms of the annals of it and things that
they showed throughout NFL films and stuff like that, But
that was my only experience with it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Is that partially because you're from Pittsburgh, Cause I feel
like some people, like I said eighty five Bears, like
that's another team that if you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Play one defense, and I did see them. Some might
say the two thousand Ravens. I don't know, but for me,
for me, it's one hundred percent because I'm from Pittsburgh,
one hundred percent. And and the idea of it is
that it built like the Still Curtain. What it just
was an extension of what the industry was in Pittsburgh. Obviously,
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I end up in Pittsburgh because my grandfathers moved their
families from Virginia and Alabama to Pittsburgh for them to
go work in stell mills. Right, So my my grandfathers
were still still mill workers. So they were military and
still maill mark workers. Like that's just like, is it
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American as it gets in terms of hard hat blue
collar reports in your country?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Represents your family, And so I was raised on.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
On that those core values and the still Curtain was
our That was our physical you know that that was
our example of what being hardcore, hard knows tough.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know, what it represented.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It became the culture, It became what our city represented
to you know, what we wanted to represent to anyone
and everyone who wanted to know anything about Pittsburgh. So
I think it was more so that mentality as to
why I was into it the way that I was.
But I'm sure there's some type of connection there with
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with Arch and Barry, you know that or to Johnny
Unitas and Arch that made him feel the way that
he felt about, you know, wanting to play with Barry
at some point in time, you know, if he had
the opportunity to there's always that cool connection or story.
There's a background story that makes it more relevant.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, you're probably right. I mean, now that you kind
of make the case for it makes a lot of sense.
My big question here will you watch? Will you watch
this show when it comes out?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah? I watch it. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So no part of you, as a defensive player is
a little jealous. Slash looks at it and says, I'm
not going to really, you know, want to watch these
guys who are complaining about going across the middle, like
back in a day when I mean, and again, maybe
they talk about this, Maybe they talk about the different
changes in the game and how it's protected a lot
of these guys to allow them to have the production
(12:32):
that they're having. I mean, if you want to look
at the offensive explosion we've seen in the NFL, or
one of the reasons why you know, wide receivers are
some of the highest paid nine quarterbacks and why they've
become such a critical part.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Of any team. It's now to me at.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Least shape with the fact that they're allowing the rules
allow for them to be able to venture in.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Parts of the field where as you would.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Say in the SERENGETI was you weren't going like that
was just an area, Like you weren't going to roam
across the middle of the field when you certain type
of safeties, linebackers, players that were gonna knock your head
off that the ball came your way. And that's one
of the things that I'm curious to see if they're
going to talk about in this is how the game
has changed to make the game in.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Ways i'd say somewhat easier.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I mean, even the emphasis on defensive pass interference, defensive holding,
allowing offensive players to create more separation because of the
emphasis on that, I'm curious to see if if they
cover this sort of thing or if it's just gonna
be more of a highlight of the different receivers, the
different catches, the drills, and behind.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
The scenes of what their life looks like.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You know. I feel like Peyton and his team does
such an excellent job of having the pulse of what
works like even for him for his personal brand and
how he does things and how he handles things. It's
very it's appealing, So I think it'll be done in
a way where it's appealing to the people who are watching.
(13:56):
Like I said, you got to go for your your audience.
Whatever your demo is, age, you know, race, you know
how much they make, whatever it is. You gotta find
your demo and you gotta live in that demo. So
he's not going to make everybody happy with how he
does the show, with how his company does the show,
(14:18):
But for the people that he has the information on
and the understanding of what they're looking for, he's.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Going to nail it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And I'm going to watch it, like I'm if it
gives light to what you just mentioned to you know,
if it's if it's about you know.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
The balance of family and playing the game.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
If it's the idea of what it looks like, of
how well the team may or may not be doing
unexpected twist and turns. The storylines are always there in
football during football.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Season, So I'll watch.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I mean to me, I think there's some good names,
you know on the on the list of people. Kiddle
is a super entertaining dude, almost like a you know,
like one of those w WE, you know, wrestling type
type guys. There there are personalities, you know, Brown is
on the show.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I believe, right yeah, I'm a right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean he you mentioned it in the notes, like,
dude is a he's he's a he's a very intriguing
dude just because of his upbringing and his dad being
a bodybuilder in the way that he you know, trained
him and uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
His his sons.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Uh, it's to me, it's one of those it's one
of those things where I think the guys are I
think they're interesting in the sense that you can always
find the storyline if they made it to the league,
if you're not lazy about your approach, you can always
(15:54):
find what's going to be appealing. And what's interesting about
building the brand of a player because it more more
times more most often than not. Q. If you really
think about it, how many players that are playing the
game really in any league are are brand established. There's
not very many guys that have established brands to the
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masses of people that watch, you know, So I don't
for me, I think they do a great job of
establishing brands, like I mentioned with Kirk Cousins and and
so I'm interested to see how these guys come across
and in what the content that they're going to collect
on them as it applies to the game, you know,
(16:40):
and all the elements that you're talking about, are they tough?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
What kind of person are you? You know?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Are you are you like an archaeologist or like like lightweight?
Like what males?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know? Males? Uh, what's males?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Garrett is like males Garrett loves like fossils and rocks
and and and dinosaur bones.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And that's like that, Like would you have imagined like that's.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What you do on your spare time, Like you got
Jurassic Park signs across your house and stuff like that.
Like I didn't know that, you know, I just thought
one thing. It turned out to be another thing. So
I'm just interested to see how they developed the storylines
of these guys and how it develops their brains, because
some people our natural heroes, others aren't natural villains.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, and it's interesting if you look at who's a
part of it, it's DeVonta Adams, Justin Jefferson, George Kittle, Deebo,
Samuel is one of the names I left out, Almen
ros Saint Brown. You know, two of the three or
excuse me, two of the five have already re upped deals.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Deebo's looking for a new deal as well.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Potentially, And so that's I mean, there are all at
different points in their career, and they're all different types
of receivers. Right DeVonta Adams is number one, but more
towards probably the end of his career. Justin Jefferson, we're
still in the prime portion of his career. Debo is
used in a variety of ways. You know, Amen Ra's
a guy who didn't come into the league, is a
first round pick, but obviously has become and emerges one
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of the best.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
And highest paid at the position.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And then George Kittle, who's you know, representing the tight ends,
which you know, you wonder did they ask Travis Kelsey today,
what are the tight ends?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Did they ask to be a part of this?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It would have been interesting to bring in some of
those personalities, given what we've seen from some of those guys,
But nonetheless it should be entertaining. I think one of
the low key takeaways that I've got from it is
the fact that it's NFL Films, Omaha Productions. It's the
same people have produced Quarterback, and it kind of highlights
in a subtle way because we talked about Peyton and
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at the start of this how well he's transitioned out
of the game of football.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I mean now where you've got streaming.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Platforms like Netflix who are buying these series and buying
these various things, where it's Peyton places and then Eli's places,
all the different platforms that he's kind of created within
his production company. And it's probably not talked about enough
for what he's done and done it his way where
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he hasn't chosen to go for a network. He just
started his own production company and now it's led to
a lot of the content they are saying. And that's
why I think Peyton Manning has been maybe one of
the best ever ambassadors.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Of the game of football with what he's done.
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You took those clips totally out of context.
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, there's a number one player at top of the
EA Sports college football game that's coming back out.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Finally, did you used to play it back in the day, LeVar?
I did? Did you? I used to use myself in
the game. Yeah, yeah, so you played with yourself. I
play I was playing with myself. I bet you do.
I bet you were, Bud. I was really good at
it too, which I was.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I was called out by Shador Sanders because he said, oh,
you don't know the game that if you didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Play a mascot mode, which I was like, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I was like, first off, I'm not really a I
was not really a gamer anyway. I did to grow
up with video games. That's a whole nother separate story,
but he like, is this true, Like did.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
You play with mascot mo, because it must be like younger,
I don't recall that. Yeah, that might have been later on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It definitely was later on, but he made it like
a this is what you had to do, and I'm like, well,
that's fine, but I would rather play with like teams
that I recall from back in the day I grew up,
you know, watching and was like out in the backyard
throwing the football acting like I was, like, you know,
I was that player Cordell Stewart to Michael Westbrook the
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Hail Mary at lid. He was talking to Rick George
about that yesterday, just about how influential that specific play
was to me and my childhood and watching Colorado football.
But I digress. The Cats out of the bag. The
number one rated quarterback is Shude or Sanders. Heading into
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the EA Sports College Football game release.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
There's some other players up there.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Travis Hunter Junior, his teammate, the outstanding wide receiver cornerback,
also has one of the highest ratings. I think might
be the highest player in the game. But either way,
it's cool to have it back as part of it.
There's even players like Archie Manning, who there was a
report he wasn't going to be a part of He
wasn't going to be a part of the game.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Now he is going to be a part of the game.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Either way, I think it's a good sign for college
football continue to build the national brand that's more becoming.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
When I looked at the list and looked at the ratings,
I mean they did a top one hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Obviously, you know they don't have.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Shador in the top top ten. Top ten players though,
right if I if I saw it correctly, like it's
Travis Hunter is in there, but I don't think Shador
is in there as a top ten player? Am I
wrong on that? Am I? On my kind of like
what I looked up?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
But I don't know exactly the overall ratings.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I just know he's the number one ready quarterback in Okay,
which there's some Georgia.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Fans who might say, hey, we've got to a kid.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's a pretty dark target darget player in Carson Beck
that maybe should be up there.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Maybe there's some other.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Folks out there who feel like there's there's other quarterbacks
who could be in the mix. Cam Ward obviously it
was a heavily sought after transfer portal player. Now at
the at the U, maybe some people feel like he's
a dynamic special player. But whatever the case may be,
he is the top rated quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
For What's Top Rated.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, because I think Will Johnson he's the top overall player,
top overall player. And then you got guys like they
have two Georgia guys in the top ten, James Pierce,
who I love his game. He's an edge out of Tennessee.
I mean, I think that it's very competitive. I know
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that Penn State had Nick Singleton and Abdul Carter and
Kevin Winston as ninety one rated players. I know Abdull
posted like shade, you know, he felt like it was
wrong that they had him rated at ninety one and higher.
I think, I feel like everybody's going to have their
(24:03):
their opinion and their idea of what their ratings should
have been. What did you care then? I cared? I cared, yeah,
but but it was like.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Thought about you and like what did you need to
put on you in a game?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I didn't even think of it that way back then though,
I wasn't aware enough to know that it was a
bunch of nerds doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
But I know it's a meat head comment. Yeah I
really mean that, but that's all good.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But I did care, And I think it's interesting because
in a way, Q, you're kind of you're kind of
setting the stage for what you may possibly see going
into post college season, into the Combine, and into the draft,
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depending on how these players perform. It kind of gives
you like a precursor for one for two for the players.
I think it's interesting because if you do care, well,
you know what, do something about it. So adds a
little bit of extra motivation. If I'm Shador Sanders, I
want to stay a highly rated guy. If I'm a
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guy that didn't get as highly rated as I wanted
to get, or you know, it didn't feel I felt slighted,
then go out there improve it, you know, go out
there improve it. So I think there's some interesting, interesting
things that could play out from the return of EA,
you know, college sports, college football.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
It'll be interesting to see social media.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Wise, how the players are reacting as the season you know,
starts and continues on.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well, there's there's a reaction from players, there's a reaction
from the media too, and there's an interesting article that
came out at CBS sports dot Com by Dennis Dodd
and ranking.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
The hot seats.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The hot seat rankings, I guess your annual coverage of
which college football.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Coaches make it canned.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Never an easy conversation to talk about, and I'm not
trying to make light of it and the impact that
it has on the coach, their family, other assistant coaches
that are on those staffs. However, they are compensated very nice,
very well for their services sometimes to not coach, so.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
You can't feel that bad.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But looking at this list at the top of the
list for teams that it's maybe now or never, Guys
like Sam Pittman, the head coach at Arkansas, it feels
like after a promising start, they've really kind of started
to fall off and lost the identity they once built.
It's only going to get more difficult.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Texas and Oklahoma the entering the conference.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Billy Napier, who hasn't been at Florida that long, but
in looking at what he's done since he's gotten there
and the struggles they've had in the past couple of seasons,
you just get a sense and feel that with this
schedule they have this year arguably the toughest in college football.
It's going to be hard for him to be able
to make it through unscathed and be able to still
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have his job in Gainesville.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
On the other side of it, that's just.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Two of the coaches that it seems like they've got
their work cut out for him, two of the bigger
names at two of the bigger programs. And I'm curious
because your thoughts on Crystal Ryan Day, who in this
article is. You know, they don't put his seat as hot.
They would describe it as getting warmer, and I would
challenge that assessment only because of the success he's had
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outside of against the rival that team up north. Because
if you're purely basing it on that, this season could
literally just come down to that singular game and if
they don't beat Michigan it you'd be hard pressed to
go through the history of the over Ohio State versus
Michigan and how many coaches were able to survive losing
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that many times. I mean, John Cooper falls in that category,
but ultimately he lost his job for not.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Beating Michigan enough. Yeah he did. I was there, I
watched it. I'll say I mean I was gone by
the time that happened. But you're right, he made this
point during the season this past season. If that's the
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premise of letting Ryan Day go, that he doesn't beat
Michigan enough, because now it's been two times that he's
lost to Michigan, I just I would just say then it.
You know, if he loses again for a third time,
nature has run its course and Ryan Day will go
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to another program and he will most likely have success
out another program because he's a fine coach. He just
hasn't been fine enough to beat Michigan. And I just
I made this conversation as it applied to I don't
want to bring Frank into it too much because he's
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not on the list, so thank goodness, I don't want
him on the list. But how do you find yourself
wanting wanting to replace and fire a coach.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That all he does is win? All Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Has done since taking over a daunting task. By the way,
who's going to just step in right after urban Meyer
and continue to win at the rapid clip that that
Ryan Day did?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
It was Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And because he loses two years straight to Michigan, you
want him out? Like, okay, you might bring in another coach.
What if that coach starts losing three years straight, three
years straight. Okay, you bring in another coach and he
starts losing more games, what are you going to do.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're bringing in new teams.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
There's going to be a team if you if you
remember who was the team when Ohio State was highly
rated and had a lot of a lot of national
championship expectations on them, what was the team that came
into the Horseshoe and beat them?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I guess say Penn State.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It was Oregon, Oregon, it was Orgon and now they're
in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Now Washington is in the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Ye these types of schools, they're going to come in
and somebody is going to get clipped by one of
these new teams.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And to me, you're you're we're.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Looking at these hot seats for guys like Ryan Day
who have had what his only loss last year, well
he had two love he had a loss in the
I don't count the bowl game, but his only loss
during the season was to Michigan.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
That was it? Like, that was it?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And you want him out that just as big as
the rivalry is, I get it, but it will never
sensibly make sense to me that a man lost one
game and you want him out. It never makes sense.
So if you only win, that don't I know it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But being from clubs Ohio, understanding the expectations for Ohio State,
understanding the perspective of Ohio State fans and how they
view Michigan and vice versa. You know, I've got Michigan alums.
I understand my family O House State alum and my
family understand. I completely get it because that's the measuring stick.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
They all need help. They all need help, that's true,
but I need the retail. That's that's the measuring stick.
And that's where like you can apply this to.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Could they lose every other game and as long as
they beat he beats Michigan and he's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Is he says that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There'll be elements of that, but I think we both
know that's a hypothetical that's probably not ever going to happen.
That being said, like you could apply that same thing
to anything in the business world. You know, when you're
in competition with an other TV network, you're in competition
of the business. You're measured against your competition, you're measured
against your greatest competitor arrival, sure, and that is ultimately
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what ends up writing the legacy and the story. And
that's the unfortunate part for Ryan da has been one
of the best college football coaches. That has just been
that game that's been elusive for them. And I do
think this year will be the turning of the tide,
you know. And it's nothing against Michigan, but they've lost
a ton transition year for Sharon morren out taking over
as full time head coach, and this is a very
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talented Ohio State team that should be able to take
care of business hosting that game in clubs frount Thanksgiving.
I do want to get to one more name that's
on this list, as Mario Cristoval, who hasn't been at
Miami very long. You know, he's been there now a
couple of seasons, however, to twelve and thirteen overall record
in that span. And remember he was paid a ten year,
eighty million dollars contract and they've hit the transfer big,
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spending tons of money. Cam Wore, their quarterback who they'd
taken from Washington State, is one of those guys to
remind you. And I also think it's tough to be
able to watch the mediocrity that's taken place when there
was initially so much excitement for Mario cristaball who returned
to South Florida. But also the fact you've had Florida
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State which has won the ACC in that span, and
you see if another in state school that's making headway
and improving under gust Blazon in the Big twelve, and
so it only makes the lack of production in the
ACC seem even that much more disappointing. I think for
a lot of Miami fans who had big expectations. So
(33:43):
that is a team that is a school that even
with the gigantic buyout that it would be to move
on from Mario Cristobal.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
They've got a booster, write that check.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
John Ruiz has ponied up to try to win it
an ten for a playoff spot, and I do think
that year will be the year that they do it.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
But if they don't keep an eye.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
On that one, because that could be one that could
get a little bit contentious, a little bit crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Thank you're right.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
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Speaker 2 (34:20):
Now it's time for our guy, Albert Breer, who joined
us every week. He's the senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the Monday morning Quarterback. Albert, thanks so much
for taking the time to join us.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Where are you right now currently? Are you still summering somewhere?
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Yeah, same place there was last week.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
But yeah, we've got a little case of poison ivy
in our house, so.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
We maybe we may got this short day.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, you know what, full disclosure, Albert, I've got poison oak.
There was an oak tree that fell and I was
moving it off of this road on a property and
literally a week later, like my dad has helped me
kind of cut it up. But I've got poison oak.
He's got poison Navy poison oaks. Something it's not fun
to deal with. I'm right there with.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
You, man, because it's like there's he's just so helpless,
you know what I mean, Like especially the kid. Like
so it's our nine year old and I got it
here like two years ago. But my eyes were literally
swollen shut, like one was swollen shut. Then that one
started to heal a little, and then the other one
shut you know, well you know, and and like so
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like you think about it with a kid, it's like
you tell the kids stop scratching.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They're not going to stop.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Oh, I've got a buddy who I guess I'll just
put it this way. He got it down in the
nether regions.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, I guess it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, I guess it had happened after he had talked
to his wife and thought maybe there's a chance for
an intimate moment, and when it didn't happen, all of
a sudden the next morning, they both realized like he
had some poison ivy down there. And uh, he kind
of looked at her and he said, well, this is
the cause and effect.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
So that's a good thing that they figured it out
that way. No, yeah, no, nothing that could have gone,
that could have got nothing happened. That's unfortunately why it
got on him down there.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
So yeah, I got one of my buddy, I got
I got one of my buddies from here and he
put like a I think.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
He puts some swim trunks up on like the clothesline to.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Dry him out or whatever, and it flew up the
clothesline into where like everybody got the push idea. I'm like, like, dude,
like I don't know if that stuff would stay on
your clothes. I just not would not like I would
not wear that that there swim trunks.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
A little while.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
So tang.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Uh, Yeah, that's that's one place you definitely don't want
to get it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
No doubt about it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
One place you do want to get it is in
the bank account. I would love for some sort of
spreading of cash in there. Like Dak Prescott, he's looking
for a new deal. Doesn't sound like they're gonna get
anything done before the season, Albert, but sounds like he's
looking for sixty million average annual value.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Part of that's what the leverage that he's got right now,
you know, is that you know, he it's gonna be
possible for them to franchise them because the number is
too high in twenty twenty five, because the way the
contract structure, the number would be up for an eighty million.
Obviously that's a non starter. And you know, when you wait,
this is the price you pay, you know, it's you know,
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maybe before this year they would have had an argument
to pay him less than that. But you know, like
since the end of the season, we've seen you know,
we we we've seen Jared Goff get paid. You know,
obviously you know Trevor Lawrence get paid, and and and
and now to and Jordan Love and dak are out
there without deals. But you know, in a sort of
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new environment where the idea of a quarterback you over
fifty million dollars a year is been completely normalized. You know,
so if you're in a situation where you have leverage
and you say, okay, like well, like I have enough
money where I don't you know, I don't need to
jump at it right now. I can get to the
point where I'm a free agent after the year, and
(38:01):
like this is where quarterback contracts are being negotiated. Plus,
like there are guys that are you know, i'd say
less accomplished than me in Jordan Loventua, who could still
get contracts before on the start of the season. You've
got all the power in the world to wait and
see where all that goes. And you know and say, like,
I'm not going to do a deal for something like
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at a number that's not really really.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Good for me.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Is Jerry Jones going to budge on any of the
three that well four really that are being discussed in
that man.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
I'm assuming the fourth year referrence is Mike McCarthy, right,
all right, Yeah, I think I think the most likely
would be would be CD because I think CD is
going to be most aggressive about pushing the issue. You know,
my guess would be that he doesn't show up for
camp without a new deal, and you know, you get
to that point and you know, now this is going
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to last over the course of weeks, and like the
Cowboys aren't exactly all that well fortified at that position,
and you know, obviously they've got a lot of people
in a win that spot, and that's going to get
CD some leverage. So I would say, like CD is
probably the most urgent one. You know, Dak maybe not
as much so, even though he's a quarterback, just because
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like I think he will show up and he will
be a good soldier, you know. Michael Parts is not
as much because he's got two years left on his deal,
although he could choose to push it too. I think
CD is probably the one that they're probably going to
be forced to take care of first.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
What outstanding news, I mean, I know Brendan Ayuk's looking for,
you know, his contract exception of some sort is that
gonna end up playing out it. I feel like we're
getting that point for some of these guys where they
want clarity going into training camp all the wise they made,
I might not want to think about it at all.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Yeah, And I think the Ayuk one is, I mean,
the Niners have shown they want to keep him, you know,
I mean there's no question if you look at like
what they've offered him, how far they been willing to go.
They're willing to pay him like a number one receiver.
So you know, if anybody a question about that, the
Niners have already sort of crossed that bridge and said, no,
we do view them as number one.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Really, I think a lot of like the IU situation,
comes down to contract.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Or it comes down to some marketing conditions.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
And you know, you had a couple of guys signed
earlier in the offseason, and DeVante Smith and I'm and
Ross Saint Brown and Jalen Waddell. Where you know, I
think I U could say I'm a better player than
those guys.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
At plus I've waited an.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Extra year right than they did. You know, those guys
are all are all.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
A year younger in the league than I.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
You kid, I spend the Alee year longer, you know.
And then obviously, okay, like now you got to get
closer to thirty million if you're the Niners, and then
justin Jefferson's contract hit that's thirty five.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
So how do you how do you.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Kind of square the difference between twenty eight where all
those other guys are or at or around and thirty
five that that that only further complicates it. And if
you're Ayk or his agent, you're not going to say, well, yeah,
we're going to do this deal as if it was February. No,
you made me wait till July. So now you got
to deal with the consequence of these other deals getting done.
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So I think the Iyuk one to me is like,
I think the Niners have an intention to get the
deal done.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I think wants to stay there.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
And this is less contentious than Deebo was a couple
of years ago. I just think because of some of
the other contracts that have come down, the pretty complicated negotiation.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Abe.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
We were just discussing the Raiders and we heard some
sound from Davante Adams about the quarterback situation there. Can
you give us some color if you if you have
some on you know, Q asked a great question.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
I'm curious what you would think.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Do you think Mark Davis will look at the success
of this team and base it off of how he,
you know, moves with the current coach with Antonio O.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Pierce? Is it is it?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Is it going to happen regardless of what the quarterback
situation is or will he give them a little bit
more time knowing Uh, the sense is that they did
not get the quarterback that they won it this offseason.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Well, they're really they're they're they're in a weird.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
Spot, you know, bull of Oar and I. You know,
it was no secret that they were they were.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
Sniffing around potentially trading up for for for jad and
Daniels and obviously that doesn't happen. So now they're sort
of in this like you know, quarterback limbow where they're
going to have you know, Gardner, Minshew and O'Connell you know,
compete for the job. And the weird thing about where
they are they've got like a handful of players that
would be really valuable to other teams that are really
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win now players that they may not be able to
give the opportunity to win now with, you know, like
so like it's it's it's Devanta Adams, is Colton Miller,
Max Crossy's younger than those two. But you know, I
think Prosby's another one where if they get off to
a rough start, like team's going to call, you know,
(43:05):
and whether or not you put DeVante Adams out there,
like teams are.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Going to call, and the other side of it isn't.
Speaker 6 (43:11):
And I don't think a lot of people have looked
like closely at his contract, but after this year, the
numbers just balloon right, like so effectively if you want
to look at his contract, this is probably gonna be
the last year that contract for him. So you know,
like I think the Raiders have to almost approach it
like he's in a contract year, and I think anybody
else would too. It's it's an interesting situation and and
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I do think, like again, like unless the Raiders come
out of the gates really fast, you're gonna hear about
teams calling about Kong on DeVante Adams in September and October.
And there's a very obvious, you know, potential landing spot
out there that that I think we all can guess
on that would reunite him with somebody that he played
with for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Albert last One before he let you go. The NBA
is finalizing their new TV deal. Well, the numbers look
absolutely astronomical. I keep saying every time the NFL redoes
their deal, you know, how.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Can it continue to keep going up? Is there a
bubble at some point? Maybe there's not. I think we
all know.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
If it's eighteen games in some articles you read nineteen
twenty games, that's the easiest way.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
When would the NFL look at trying to re up there?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Do I believe it goes to what twenty thirty three?
But they can the oters can opt out in company nine.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
Yeah, they have an opt out after twenty nine, which
I mean I think that that like has become a
pretty pivotal date with you know, obviously everything changing in
the way that people are consuming content, They've only become
more powerful, you know what I mean, Like, I mean
the way TV has died in so many different ways,
only your TV's died in so many ways. You know,
(44:49):
the NFL has survived because live sports are the one
thing that people still, you know, treat his appointment viewing
like they'll sit down at a certain time and watch. It
is gold to the advertisers. And obviously, you know, the
NFL is the king of all the sports, so they
have that, and now they can kind of leverage that
(45:09):
against the streamers, who you know, their conditioning stands the
pay for streaming services, and you know you kind of
like look at all that, like right, like that that
whole setup they have now, and why wouldn't they want
to go in you know, three years earlier or whatever
the numbers. I think it's three years they could opt out,
and that of course has like a cascading effect where
(45:30):
it's it's like okay, like, well, if they're going to
renegotiate to the television deals after twenty twenty nine, well
then you know it's part of that that they want
to have an eighteen game schedule that they're going to
present to the television networks and put the bid for
with the streamers. You know, I would think it would
be you know, so you know, I certainly think like
(45:51):
that the NFL's as it always is, you know, and
this is one of those things where I think the
owners of them think they're responsible for doing this is
like kind of a born on their base thing in
football in America. You know, the NFL's well positioned to
to cash.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
In again and raise the bar again in a few years.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Absolutely incredible, but Albert, great stuff is always.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Really appreciate you taking the time this morning with us.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
I appreciate it.
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