August 12, 2024 • 30 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz fill in and talk about Team USA basketball (Men & Women) winning gold at the Olympics, the takeaways from Week 1 of the NFL Preseason, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Just win baby. Good morning.
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morning to you. Jeff Schwartz. You know, the late great
(00:37):
Al Davis said it best, Just win baby. That can
absolutely be applied to Team USA Women's basketball men's basketball.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The ladies got it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Done via a one point win against France. They're sixty
first in a row in the Olympics and they win
and I don't care. I don't care that they didn't
win by two. I don't care that they didn't cover
the spread. You can tell I didn't bet on Team
USA to cover the spread, Jeff with that statement right there,
But I don't care that it wasn't a Picasso. They
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got the gold and that's all I care about.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We are arrogant Americans, though, Brian, we wanted to look
like it should. I have to look like it should
for us to be happy as Americans. Good morning. I
feel like I've talked to you now more than my
wife in the last twelve hours, So I'm glad to
be back on the air with you here after working
together on our usual Sunday show. Look in the end,
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to your point, man, it's a matter of getting a
dub and the women last night, think about you know,
the pressure they were under. I know they've won sixty
one games in a row now, but you know they're
they're trying to win again, right because they're supposed to win.
There were I think sixteen point favorites in this game
somewhere around there, and it wasn't going well early on
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in that game, couldn't make Sean's France was squeezing them
on defense, and you're you're on the road, right, you're
in You're in France, and you could feel sort of
the pressure of the situation I think, which a lot
of these women had not faced because all the games
they had played up until this point in this in
this run of these of these ladies had been blowout
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so they don't lose even they've won sixty one games now,
and I wrote, Brian, three of those games have been
under ten points, that's it, including yesterday, so like they
will blow everyone now. You could feel sort of the energy,
a little nervous energy. They needed a spark, they need something.
In that second half, we saw some performances of young players,
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and oftentimes I feel like in those moments, you do
need you know, more kind of guard oriented you know,
guard oriented play, right, you need to need someone something
just sort of like boom, like I get it, you know,
push that, push that through. And we saw that happen
late in that game last night. So look, man, I
thought it was a great gritty performance, right not not
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everything's gonna be perfect and it's not to go the
way you want it. France kept battling that they couldn't shoot,
and all of a sudden they made it. They made
a bunch of threes. But you know, the ability for
for Coop, I mean for Copper to come in there
at the end and Sabrina added a little bit of
juice and Wilson did her dinner thing. It was a
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gutsy performance. Plum made a couple of threes right at
the end there the fourth quarter. So not event's gonna
be perfect. But I thought during that game, I was like,
you know what they could use, you know, someone sort
of young, with a spark, with energy, you know, an
assist assist leader maybe in the w n B, A
someone to move the ball around a little bit. You know,
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they kind of were stuck shooting, you know, a really
good shooter. But hey, man, I don't know. I'm just
a dude who talk sports. I might not know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, it almost sounds like you're describing someone named Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It almost sounds like.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, she could have maybe probably helped him.
It's why it's why you kind of keep them, keep
someone like that at the end of the bench, you know,
just in case those moments.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, but Jeff, she might not have gotten a lot
of playing time, and therefore we just like go down
that road.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like Sabrina or Brittany Grinder. Yeah, like you know, random.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Play Diana Tarassi. I don't know if she got in.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, I actually kept that. It is The box scores
were kind of hard to follow for the like they
don't list the minutes until after the game. Yeah, because
so I would always check the game and be like, oh,
how many minutes did did Tirozie play? Because you know,
I thought it would be important just to I wanted
to check with and yeah, yesterday was a whole bit
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of of zero.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, that's uh, that's kind of random they would go
in that direction. But hey, Diana has her sixth US
gold medal. That's that's pretty cool. But it's a little
bit like Tyrese Halliburton, right, like Haliburton put out there
is like when you get an A on the class
project and you didn't do anything is basically what he
threw out.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I thought.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I thought his tweet was so great because we've all
been there, and you know, of course, this is the
thing about you know this this Olympics, these Olympics, like
you're on a team with the best players in the world.
If you're on the USA and you know, you're just
not gonna play sometimes now you know, the the Sabrina thing,
I mean, the the the Calyn clarking is a little
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bit different than you know, the hally Burn situation. But nonetheless,
you're just not gonna play if you're on a team
like this at some points of some stretches, because again,
crunch chem comes up and it's it's lebron kd Staph.
I mean that that that's the group who's gonna who's
gonna play and Burton's gonna be gonna be out there.
They could have found them some minutes in some games,
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I feel like, and he did play a little bit
at some moments, but that tweet was very I like
that he understood the moment and I appreciate that that
tweet from him.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, I think that, Look, man, there's a lot more
at place here than just talent. I think when we're
looking at Team USA, let's stick with the women's side
because they won yesterday. This could be applied to the
men also. But there's this tendency to just look at man,
look at the talent that they have. But we're talking
about Halliburton. How many teams would he play major minutes
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for if he was playing for another country like most
of them. You know, Jason Tatum, he didn't play in
two games. Think about that. He's been First team All
NBA three times. He didn't play in two games. And so, yeah,
the US is blessed with obnoxious amounts of talent. But
that's not the only thing going on here. It's you
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mentioned it you're in enemy territory. You're in France against
those you know, the men and the women respectively. You're
an enemy soil, right Like, that's a road game to
the nth degree.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That matters. FEBA rules matter.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
This is football on a court, you know what I mean,
very very physical. It away with a lot that's an
equalizer and then something else that's at play. When you
look at like France and some of these nations, they've
been together for so long.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
What was the example that you gave there was.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Look, I was listening to the game on the airplane yesterday.
It was it was kind of interesting. There was someone
sitting in front of me who was just watching the
game on her phone too. It's just like my iPad
was going and my wife was watching because she was bored.
She didn't know, she didn't have anything else to do.
She this is the first time I felt very proud
of the husband. Altho, only only the first time ever.
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But she said to me, she hit me in the
shoulder because she was sitting in the rood. I was
with the kids because I'm you know, I gave her
a break, Brian. I sat next to the kids, and
all she did was tap me for two hours asking
about how the kids are doing. I'm like, honey, I'm
giving you a break. Stop asking about the kids. If
you want to sit here, I'll switch with you. Nonetheless,
she was across the aisle from me and she asked
you time on the shoulder, and Brian, she goes, how
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much you bet on this game?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I was so proud.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I've ever been, never been more proud of my life.
She had she she asked me if I had a
wager on the game at all. Oh, what a proud
moment in our relationship. But we had the game on
and I believe I believe that the the play by
play guy mentioned that a lady on France, right, one
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of their players UH left the w NBA to play
for the French national team because they needed to. The
requirement was you have to sort of play a year
with the team or something like that. So a lot
of these teams play for years together. Where the USA
does have summers together, right, they play some summer circuit
time together, but then it's the w NBA season right now.
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They just show up and play with each other, and
so there is a lot of rotation to figure out.
I think there's a lot of you know, you know,
I think that that the coach figuring out who to
play in situation, in situations, right like do I put
in three guards? Do I have you know, does Brittany
Grinder play because she had turntimes in this tournament was unstoppable,
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you know, one day at Wilson Rest. These are situations
that she has to deal with game by game. And
in some games, Brian the score dictates like, I don't
worry about any of stuff because we're up by twenty
five point two cares. And then it shows in those
final moments of a game like we saw yesterday where
you got to you gotta put Sabrina in for a second, right,
you have to plumb is down, gonna shoo a little
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bit more, you know, And so I felt like eventually
they figure it out, but it's difficult for these coaches.
Steve Carr the same problem at times where just sort
of couldn't figure it out. But when it mattered the most,
guess it was in there lebron kd and Steph and
when they played Serbia, who they did? Who they did beat?
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My son asked me, who is the best player in
the w in the in the NBA, and I said, hey,
it's the guy in blue. It's it's he plays for Serbia,
best player in the NBA. But guess what, son, Three
of the fifteen best players ever in the history are
playing on the USA side right now. I mean, the
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ability to just go to that in any moment, Brian
is just astounding to me, you know, like, just okay,
well let's go with KD. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's wild, it is And I get it, man, the
US has a ton of talent, but that isn't the
only piece of the equation. And I feel like a
lot of people look at only that, like they have
all this talent Team USA. Let's use the men's side
for a second. You just mentioned, Hey, Lebron gets subbed
in for by KD. And it's like, oh my gosh.
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People are just rolling their eyes at this amount of talent,
and it's like, yeah, that's one major piece of the equation.
That's not the only piece where It's like, look, they're
playing against France for the gold medal in their building,
that matters.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, FEBA rules right.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Again, it's so physical, that's an equalizer. Some of these
players on other teams have been together for so long
they're more used to the rules. Yeah, they've got better
chemistry developed. And I think one other thing is because
of the talent team, USA is used to comfortable wins
a lot. I don't know i'd go football on you
this early, Jeff, but think at the Patriots and seven,
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how many easy blowout wins they had, and then when
they're in a dogfight in Super Bowl forty two against
the Giants, they're a little bit unaccustomed to that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Where the Giants are playing.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
These close games consistently, that can matter also, So long
story short, it's not just about talent. And I think
you got to celebrate a gold instead of being like, well,
I was thinking it would.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Be by twenty points.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's like, bro, you just you can't be happy if
that's the way you look at things.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
No, you're absolutely right, and so no, I think I
think USA is rightfully very happy to win these. It
obviously helped them the medal count, you know, for us
to get you know, to tie China with our with
our gold, a gold count. When you are a young athlete, right,
and you envision sort of success in pro sports. I
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think all the time, you know, you envision winning a
Super Bowl, winning an NBA championship. I don't know if
you envision winning an Olympic medal. Yeah, right, And then
you get to the moment and we see we see
this everywhere when you win an Olympic medal, the emotion
of the players. There is more emotion sometimes with winning
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Olympic medal than there is of winning NBA championship. I mean, dude, yo,
get seem happier on the bus ride back after winning
a bronze than he did. And anytime the Nuggets have
won in the last three years, I mean, these players,
the emotion, the emotion they show. And for Steph Curry
Bryan to do what he did in the final game
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in the championship game, four threes in the I think
the last five baskets the team USA had, I mean
an all time basketball moment for anybody, let alone a
player who's a Hall of Famer and possibly the best
shoot of all time. And what he did the other
night was so much fun to watch, ye, but a
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moment that like it's going to live on forever. I mean, dude,
he put that team and I think USA was winning
in it anyways, but he put that team on his back,
and that's a that's a a a player that the
stature of someone that doesn't always sort of put teams
on their back, right, smaller guard doesn't. That's not really
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all the time. These guys that look like a broad
up all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And dude, he was incredible and that he checked three
he made at the very end, the last one, I mean,
and it was it was awesome. It really was for
Steph And you know, he is gold medal. And again,
I mean, we look at players like Lebron and KD
and the physicality of what they bring to the game,
and I don't think we give stuff that same credit.
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And all he does is go out there and play
incredible in every big moment.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right. And that's the thing, man is sometimes fans will
look at this and be like it should have been
a bigger win. I guarantee the players aren't looking at
it like that, Jeff at all. They realize how difficult
it was Serbia. By the game before the gold medal game,
Serbia came out firing from three. They made fifteen of
thirty three pointers in the first three quarters. Bogdan Bogdanovich,
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when you're talking about playing for your country and right, like,
how much it meant to Jokic. Bogdan was a man
possessed in that game against the US, and man, you're
in a dogfight.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I guarantee you this. The players are not looking at
it like, I.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Mean, we won gold, but you know I thought we
would win by at least fifteen or twenty Like that's
just silly, man.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
No, no, no, they're not doing that. Yeah. Look, the
French can take salts in the fact they covered all
these games.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Brian.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, there you go, because you know in the end
they won themselves and their and their countrymen or women
some some money in the end there. But no, it
was a it was a fantastic Olympics. I enjoyed watching
a lot of it, all the sports. Break dancing included.
Yeah what what what a story from that Australian woman
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with break dance. But it was it was a good
It was a good two and a half weeks about right. Olympics.
Very enjoyable in the summer. I think I feel like
that we should have like a sport every summer to
watch like this, so we could just sort of as
a as a nation come together and watch sports before
football shows back up.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't hate that I don't hate that at all.
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
I think that NBA officials, who are always criticized, they
look better after this whole FEBA thing. You know, NBA
officials are worlds better than these FEBA officials. It'd be
like this, Yeah, take Steelers quarterback Justin Fields, who isn't good.
He looks a lot better if you compare him to
like Nathan Peterman or something like that. You know what
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I mean, You're like, oh the fields, gimme fields. That's
how I feel like NBA officials way better than these
FEBA officials.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
They come out smelling like a rose after this thing.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I have many fields thoughts you do that revolve around
the way we uh as a society can't accept that
players are who they are after a certain amount of
times we watch them play. Yeah, Justin Fields is a
has started for three years. He is who he is.
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Very rarely do we get a Josh Allen situation where
you get a two year starter, by the way, who
became something that we never expected. With quarterbacks, it kind
of is pretty hit or miss pretty quickly in their careers.
You know, there's of course room for improvement, and there
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is room for change, and better situation might produce a
different result. But Justin Fields look exactly the same player
he had been his entire career in his first opportunity.
Is there's a uniform, held the ball too long, fumbled
two times? Like the things that people knocked him for
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he did the exact same thing in Pittsburgh. And I
understand that we want to be positive about players and
want to always think that they can improve and become
something else and become different players. But a lot of times, Brian,
you are who you are by year four. This is
fourth year as a starter. You know, someone said to me, well,
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his situation in Pittsburgh is different than it was in Chicago,
And I thought to myself, last year Chicago improved their
offensive line, had better weapons, had a good defense. Pittsburgh's
not much different right now. Right Yeah, their offensive line
is rebuilding. It's a rebuilding offensive line out of a
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lot of young pieces. They had a run heavy offensive
coordinator in Arthur Smith. That's what he is. He's been
at his entire career, even more so recently. Right now,
they have one wide receiver. They're trying to get someone else.
But the reason they have one and only one, and
the reason why, see me, the reasony they're trying to
get someone else because they have one. It's not that
different of a situation. Good defense, run first offensive coordinator.
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He is who he is at this point of his career,
and it's a good reminder too, that practice reports are
not the game because if you listen to anyone in Pittsburgh,
they've never seen a better training camp in their life
from a quarterback, right, Like, that's what that's the report
that Fields is killing it? Like, yeah, okay, it's practice.
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He gets into a game. Brian Sama's that guy. He's
always been.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, well hey, and you're preaching to the choir here man,
because it's been three years of Justin Fields not being
good And look, I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The guy is a highlight reel.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Some of the runs that he's made and some of
the plays that he's made at times make your jaw drop.
The problem is he's not consistent and he doesn't throw
the ball very well at all. That's kind of an issue, right,
Like if you look at Justin Fields, I could bombard
you with numbers where it's just like, oh gosh, his
passer rating is right at eighty two, just for context,
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last season, that's lower than Desmond Ridder of the Falcons.
Do you think Desmond Ridder killed it with his twelve
touchdowns and twelve picks last year?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
No, Like, Justin Fields has done less than that over
the course of three years with his passer rating, and
there were so many fans that wanted to keep them.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
They're like, yeah, just keep Fields, give them a new contract,
build around him instead of getting a young, cheaper guy,
way cheaper in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's the height of insanity.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I just don't understand these fanboys, Bill jocking justin Fields
like he's done anything.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Okay. The reason why is as a football society, we
have an extreme fascination with quarterbacks that run the football,
and people think that that leads to success. And the
fact is Brian the best quarterbacks continually, and we've talked
about this for years now, throw the ball from the
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pocket consistently. Yeah, Mahomes scrambling, It is fun to watch.
And yes, he does some incredible things with his legs,
so so is Josh Allen. So does all this, But
the reason they win and lose is what they do
from the pocket on third down. That's how they win
and lose games. And right now, and I think for
continually it's not what Fields does best. But we have
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this fascination buddy with like Ken so and so run
the football. Well, who cares? That's not actually what quarterback plays.
It's a It's a good addition if you have other
things that you do well. Mobility is a great thing
to have. Don't get me wrong. I'm not to say
you can't be mobile, but people they gravitate towards again, Bran,
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they gravitate towards guys that make these highlight plays with
their legs, and that's not what winning football is at
that position.
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Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Jeff, so I've got a statement to make. You
tell me if this is just a crazy statement or
it's crazy enough to be right?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Okay, you ready here?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think the Indianapolis Colts would be better off with
Will Levis instead of Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh okay, what's the reasoning there?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So the reasoning is I just I don't believe Anthony
Richardson and Will be a precise passer in the NFL. Okay,
like we got a little bit of a taste of it.
A couple of things. He's inexperienced, he was banged up,
last year. So I only had eighty four throws at Florida,
he had under four hundred passing attempts.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's really really low.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
This is a very inexperienced guy, and so to learn
on the job if you will in the NFL, that's
gonna be really, really tough. And I love his athleticism.
He brings an added dynamic to the table. But I
just don't see him being a precise thrower. You got
a little taste of it yesterday where first throw nowhere
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near a completion. Then one of his completions was behind
his tight end. Should have been an easy first down,
it was behind him. It slowed the tight end down,
you got a punt. It's those little things where you know,
like listen, Justin Fields, we're talking about him.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Justin Fields has raw talent.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
He's not a precise passer, and if you're not precise
in the NFL, you're not going to be that effective.
A guy like Kirk Cousins, who has borderline no athleticism,
is a precise thrower and he's had a lot of success.
He puts up numbers. So yeah, for those reasons, I
think will Levis has a better chance to be a
more precise passer than a rich does. I just I
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think the Colts would be better off with Levis than Richardson.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I did not expect Will Levis Anthony Richardson debate this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, here we are.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
The only thing was, Look, I think that Richardson is
very raw. Well, I don't think I know, and he
sort of unfortunately had a wasted year last year, right,
being hurt. Yeah, And I think it's you know, when
you're a young quarterback, you sort of need every opportunity
to to be good, right to play. And so I'm
I agree with you there. I just think we don't
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we don't. We don't know enough about him yet right
to make that to make that determination.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Do we about Levis or Richardson or both.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well, Richardson more anyone else? Yeah, I mean we don't really,
we don't really know quite yet what he is.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And what he's He's a wild card. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Look, here's the thing about quarterback evaluation in general in
the NFL, and and and the draft is most years,
most drafts, and the Burrow to uh Herbert one is
a little bit unique in that this is not the
case for this draft, but there's normally one quarterback in
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that draft who ends up being the superstar? That's it?
Just one, and it seems like it's it's Stroud already. Yeah,
the Panthers hope that Bryce Young can be, you know,
just sort of good enough to you know, to be
to be average, right, But the chance of that Anthony
Richardson is is great is probably unlikely. Samuel will Levis though, too,
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and riginally gives you the upside of the athleticism, right,
and you can build a chainsycond has shown that he
can build an offense around a quarterback and be successful.
It's not going to be the most probably high powered
passing offense, but you can RPO teams enough to get
a situation where you win enough games to be a
playoff contender, but you're probably not winning Super Bowl unless
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you're Nick Foles and the Eagles. So it's outliers to
everything right with an RPO heavily based offense. So I'm
not sure will Levis is though take I make on
that one. But I think that you're right in saying
that we're interesting. This is probably not going to be great.
There's a lot of upside potential there, and you have
to hope that they can get the most out of them.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, okay, so half agreement. I think, right, you might
be more so. And I don't think Anthony Richardson is
going to be a stud. So we're together on that.
Will Levis, Hey, listen, Will Levis Man, you talk about
criticism before the draft. That was the common take last
year is like Will Levis sucks, like repeat, repeat, repeat.
(27:00):
I just think this the first part about Anthony Richardson.
I think that this season and I think largely throughout
his career, this is my hunch what will happen. He
is talented enough where he's gonna make some plays that
make you say, wow, he's gonna make a throw that
whatever the distance on the ball, or he's gonna make
(27:21):
a run and you're gonna go like, holy hell, who
is this guy? And then he's gonna turn around and
he's gonna do things that make you say, oh gosh,
what was that? Right?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Like I think, just yes.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I think that Anthony Richardson is a bigger justin fields,
That's what I think. I think he's gonna do some
dynamic things at times, and then he's not gonna be
a precise thrower and he's gonna leave you wanting a
whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I think that's what his career is largely gonna be about.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And I think for sure that's what this season, due
to a lot of inexperience, is gonna be like for
Anthony Richardson. Will Levis. Look, maybe it doesn't turn out
to be a are, but I've seen him rip some
throws and showcase some accuracy on a more consistent basis
than I have with Anthony Richardson. And if you give
me those traits, I think you have more upside to
(28:13):
grow into that role because that's the way the rules
are set up. It's a passing league, you know, it's
not a running quarterback league. Anthony Richardson is built like
a tank. He lasted four games. He didn't finish three
of the four games he started last year, and he
was down for the season. Like, you're not gonna last
(28:34):
running the ball over and over and over again. You
got to be a precise thrower to remain upright and
have great success in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's just the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you on that idea that I
just don't think he will be a precise enough thrower
to be successful you know, year and year out. But
he's absolutely going to make plays that wow you, and
again we're going to be intoxicated by that idea when
they're not plays that sort of If the goal every
year is to win a championship, which is what the
(29:05):
goal is for everyone, right, is it championship winning type
of plays or just or just highlight type of place
that's you have to differentiate with with with young players.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, that's the thing is Anthony Richardson justin fields. They're
going to do some special things. But what doesn't make
it on SportsCenter is the third and seven throw in
week eight that was behind the tight end that he
caught for a gain of five.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But if it was on the money, he.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Easily scoots by the defender, he picks up thirteen. You
move the chains, you might score on that drive, right Like,
that's that little stuff gets lost in the shuffle, and
that's the difference between winning and losing.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Man. I'm glad you mentioned that, man, because there are
so many throws of quarterbacks make that you just you
if they're just a little bit more on the market
changes that entire play, yep, And we see that happen
often and you just hope that they can. It's that
(30:08):
it's really, to be honest, it's that part of the
game that really matters more than anything else. It's it's
it's not can you you know, can you throw the
deep pass. It's if you're layering a pass, you layer
it exactly where it has to go to allow the
wide receiver to run a little bit more. You are
you able to make sure the wide receiver doesn't get
you know, a hospital ball right like, you layer it
(30:28):
to where it has to be. So it uh, that's
as just an underrated part of playing quarterback that we
don't talk about it enough.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, absolutely,
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
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(00:37):
Al Davis said it best, Just win baby. That can
absolutely be applied to Team USA Women's basketball men's basketball.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The ladies got it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Done via a one point win against France. They're sixty
first in a row in the Olympics and they win
and I don't care. I don't care that they didn't
win by two. I don't care that they didn't cover
the spread. You can tell I didn't bet on Team
USA to cover the spread, Jeff with that statement right there,
But I don't care that it wasn't a Picasso. They
(01:10):
got the gold and that's all I care about.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We are arrogant Americans, though, Brian, we wanted to look
like it should. I have to look like it should
for us to be happy as Americans. Good morning. I
feel like I've talked to you now more than my
wife in the last twelve hours, So I'm glad to
be back on the air with you here after working
together on our usual Sunday show. Look in the end,
(01:36):
to your point, man, it's a matter of getting a
dub and the women last night, think about you know,
the pressure they were under. I know they've won sixty
one games in a row now, but you know they're
they're trying to win again, right because they're supposed to win.
There were I think sixteen point favorites in this game
somewhere around there, and it wasn't going well early on
(01:58):
in that game, couldn't make Sean's France was squeezing them
on defense, and you're you're on the road, right, you're
in You're in France, and you could feel sort of
the pressure of the situation I think, which a lot
of these women had not faced because all the games
they had played up until this point in this in
this run of these of these ladies had been blowout
(02:20):
so they don't lose even they've won sixty one games now,
and I wrote, Brian, three of those games have been
under ten points, that's it, including yesterday, so like they
will blow everyone now. You could feel sort of the energy,
a little nervous energy. They needed a spark, they need something.
In that second half, we saw some performances of young players,
(02:42):
and oftentimes I feel like in those moments, you do
need you know, more kind of guard oriented you know,
guard oriented play, right, you need to need someone something
just sort of like boom, like I get it, you know,
push that, push that through. And we saw that happen
late in that game last night. So look, man, I
thought it was a great gritty performance, right not not
(03:05):
everything's gonna be perfect and it's not to go the
way you want it. France kept battling that they couldn't shoot,
and all of a sudden they made it. They made
a bunch of threes. But you know, the ability for
for Coop, I mean for Copper to come in there
at the end and Sabrina added a little bit of
juice and Wilson did her dinner thing. It was a
(03:26):
gutsy performance. Plum made a couple of threes right at
the end there the fourth quarter. So not event's gonna
be perfect. But I thought during that game, I was like,
you know what they could use, you know, someone sort
of young, with a spark, with energy, you know, an
assist assist leader maybe in the w n B, A
someone to move the ball around a little bit. You know,
(03:46):
they kind of were stuck shooting, you know, a really
good shooter. But hey, man, I don't know. I'm just
a dude who talk sports. I might not know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, it almost sounds like you're describing someone named Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It almost sounds like.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, she could have maybe probably helped him.
It's why it's why you kind of keep them, keep
someone like that at the end of the bench, you know,
just in case those moments.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, but Jeff, she might not have gotten a lot
of playing time, and therefore we just like go down
that road.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like Sabrina or Brittany Grinder. Yeah, like you know, random.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Play Diana Tarassi. I don't know if she got in.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, I actually kept that. It is The box scores
were kind of hard to follow for the like they
don't list the minutes until after the game. Yeah, because
so I would always check the game and be like, oh,
how many minutes did did Tirozie play? Because you know,
I thought it would be important just to I wanted
to check with and yeah, yesterday was a whole bit
(04:44):
of of zero.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, that's uh, that's kind of random they would go
in that direction. But hey, Diana has her sixth US
gold medal. That's that's pretty cool. But it's a little
bit like Tyrese Halliburton, right, like Haliburton put out there
is like when you get an A on the class
project and you didn't do anything is basically what he
threw out.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I thought.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I thought his tweet was so great because we've all
been there, and you know, of course, this is the
thing about you know this this Olympics, these Olympics, like
you're on a team with the best players in the world.
If you're on the USA and you know, you're just
not gonna play sometimes now you know, the the Sabrina thing,
I mean, the the the Calyn clarking is a little
(05:25):
bit different than you know, the hally Burn situation. But nonetheless,
you're just not gonna play if you're on a team
like this at some points of some stretches, because again,
crunch chem comes up and it's it's lebron kd Staph.
I mean that that that's the group who's gonna who's
gonna play and Burton's gonna be gonna be out there.
They could have found them some minutes in some games,
(05:47):
I feel like, and he did play a little bit
at some moments, but that tweet was very I like
that he understood the moment and I appreciate that that
tweet from him.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, I think that, Look, man, there's a lot more
at place here than just talent. I think when we're
looking at Team USA, let's stick with the women's side
because they won yesterday. This could be applied to the
men also. But there's this tendency to just look at man,
look at the talent that they have. But we're talking
about Halliburton. How many teams would he play major minutes
(06:18):
for if he was playing for another country like most
of them. You know, Jason Tatum, he didn't play in
two games. Think about that. He's been First team All
NBA three times. He didn't play in two games. And so, yeah,
the US is blessed with obnoxious amounts of talent. But
that's not the only thing going on here. It's you
(06:40):
mentioned it you're in enemy territory. You're in France against
those you know, the men and the women respectively. You're
an enemy soil, right Like, that's a road game to
the nth degree.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That matters. FEBA rules matter.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
This is football on a court, you know what I mean,
very very physical. It away with a lot that's an
equalizer and then something else that's at play. When you
look at like France and some of these nations, they've
been together for so long.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
What was the example that you gave there was.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Look, I was listening to the game on the airplane yesterday.
It was it was kind of interesting. There was someone
sitting in front of me who was just watching the
game on her phone too. It's just like my iPad
was going and my wife was watching because she was bored.
She didn't know, she didn't have anything else to do.
She this is the first time I felt very proud
of the husband. Altho, only only the first time ever.
(07:35):
But she said to me, she hit me in the
shoulder because she was sitting in the rood. I was
with the kids because I'm you know, I gave her
a break, Brian. I sat next to the kids, and
all she did was tap me for two hours asking
about how the kids are doing. I'm like, honey, I'm
giving you a break. Stop asking about the kids. If
you want to sit here, I'll switch with you. Nonetheless,
she was across the aisle from me and she asked
you time on the shoulder, and Brian, she goes, how
(07:56):
much you bet on this game?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I was so proud.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I've ever been, never been more proud of my life.
She had she she asked me if I had a
wager on the game at all. Oh, what a proud
moment in our relationship. But we had the game on
and I believe I believe that the the play by
play guy mentioned that a lady on France, right, one
(08:19):
of their players UH left the w NBA to play
for the French national team because they needed to. The
requirement was you have to sort of play a year
with the team or something like that. So a lot
of these teams play for years together. Where the USA
does have summers together, right, they play some summer circuit
time together, but then it's the w NBA season right now.
(08:42):
They just show up and play with each other, and
so there is a lot of rotation to figure out.
I think there's a lot of you know, you know,
I think that that the coach figuring out who to
play in situation, in situations, right like do I put
in three guards? Do I have you know, does Brittany
Grinder play because she had turntimes in this tournament was unstoppable,
(09:06):
you know, one day at Wilson Rest. These are situations
that she has to deal with game by game. And
in some games, Brian the score dictates like, I don't
worry about any of stuff because we're up by twenty
five point two cares. And then it shows in those
final moments of a game like we saw yesterday where
you got to you gotta put Sabrina in for a second, right,
you have to plumb is down, gonna shoo a little
(09:26):
bit more, you know, And so I felt like eventually
they figure it out, but it's difficult for these coaches.
Steve Carr the same problem at times where just sort
of couldn't figure it out. But when it mattered the most,
guess it was in there lebron kd and Steph and
when they played Serbia, who they did? Who they did beat?
(09:47):
My son asked me, who is the best player in
the w in the in the NBA, and I said, hey,
it's the guy in blue. It's it's he plays for Serbia,
best player in the NBA. But guess what, son, Three
of the fifteen best players ever in the history are
playing on the USA side right now. I mean, the
(10:08):
ability to just go to that in any moment, Brian
is just astounding to me, you know, like, just okay,
well let's go with KD. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's wild, it is And I get it, man, the
US has a ton of talent, but that isn't the
only piece of the equation. And I feel like a
lot of people look at only that, like they have
all this talent Team USA. Let's use the men's side
for a second. You just mentioned, Hey, Lebron gets subbed
in for by KD. And it's like, oh my gosh.
(10:40):
People are just rolling their eyes at this amount of talent,
and it's like, yeah, that's one major piece of the equation.
That's not the only piece where It's like, look, they're
playing against France for the gold medal in their building,
that matters.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, FEBA rules right.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Again, it's so physical, that's an equalizer. Some of these
players on other teams have been together for so long
they're more used to the rules. Yeah, they've got better
chemistry developed. And I think one other thing is because
of the talent team, USA is used to comfortable wins
a lot. I don't know i'd go football on you
this early, Jeff, but think at the Patriots and seven,
(11:21):
how many easy blowout wins they had, and then when
they're in a dogfight in Super Bowl forty two against
the Giants, they're a little bit unaccustomed to that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Where the Giants are playing.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
These close games consistently, that can matter also, So long
story short, it's not just about talent. And I think
you got to celebrate a gold instead of being like, well,
I was thinking it would.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Be by twenty points.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's like, bro, you just you can't be happy if
that's the way you look at things.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
No, you're absolutely right, and so no, I think I
think USA is rightfully very happy to win these. It
obviously helped them the medal count, you know, for us
to get you know, to tie China with our with
our gold, a gold count. When you are a young athlete, right,
and you envision sort of success in pro sports. I
(12:15):
think all the time, you know, you envision winning a
Super Bowl, winning an NBA championship. I don't know if
you envision winning an Olympic medal. Yeah, right, And then
you get to the moment and we see we see
this everywhere when you win an Olympic medal, the emotion
of the players. There is more emotion sometimes with winning
(12:38):
Olympic medal than there is of winning NBA championship. I mean, dude, yo,
get seem happier on the bus ride back after winning
a bronze than he did. And anytime the Nuggets have
won in the last three years, I mean, these players,
the emotion, the emotion they show. And for Steph Curry
Bryan to do what he did in the final game
(13:01):
in the championship game, four threes in the I think
the last five baskets the team USA had, I mean
an all time basketball moment for anybody, let alone a
player who's a Hall of Famer and possibly the best
shoot of all time. And what he did the other
night was so much fun to watch, ye, but a
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moment that like it's going to live on forever. I mean, dude,
he put that team and I think USA was winning
in it anyways, but he put that team on his back,
and that's a that's a a a player that the
stature of someone that doesn't always sort of put teams
on their back, right, smaller guard doesn't. That's not really
(13:43):
all the time. These guys that look like a broad
up all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And dude, he was incredible and that he checked three
he made at the very end, the last one, I mean,
and it was it was awesome. It really was for
Steph And you know, he is gold medal. And again,
I mean, we look at players like Lebron and KD
and the physicality of what they bring to the game,
and I don't think we give stuff that same credit.
(14:09):
And all he does is go out there and play
incredible in every big moment.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right. And that's the thing, man is sometimes fans will
look at this and be like it should have been
a bigger win. I guarantee the players aren't looking at
it like that, Jeff at all. They realize how difficult
it was Serbia. By the game before the gold medal game,
Serbia came out firing from three. They made fifteen of
thirty three pointers in the first three quarters. Bogdan Bogdanovich,
(14:36):
when you're talking about playing for your country and right, like,
how much it meant to Jokic. Bogdan was a man
possessed in that game against the US, and man, you're
in a dogfight.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I guarantee you this. The players are not looking at
it like, I.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Mean, we won gold, but you know I thought we
would win by at least fifteen or twenty Like that's
just silly, man.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
No, no, no, they're not doing that. Yeah. Look, the
French can take salts in the fact they covered all
these games.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Brian.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, there you go, because you know in the end
they won themselves and their and their countrymen or women
some some money in the end there. But no, it
was a it was a fantastic Olympics. I enjoyed watching
a lot of it, all the sports. Break dancing included.
Yeah what what what a story from that Australian woman
(15:25):
with break dance. But it was it was a good
It was a good two and a half weeks about right. Olympics.
Very enjoyable in the summer. I think I feel like
that we should have like a sport every summer to
watch like this, so we could just sort of as
a as a nation come together and watch sports before
football shows back up.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't hate that I don't hate that at all.
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
I think that NBA officials, who are always criticized, they
look better after this whole FEBA thing. You know, NBA
officials are worlds better than these FEBA officials. It'd be
like this, Yeah, take Steelers quarterback Justin Fields, who isn't good.
He looks a lot better if you compare him to
like Nathan Peterman or something like that. You know what
(17:05):
I mean, You're like, oh the fields, gimme fields. That's
how I feel like NBA officials way better than these
FEBA officials.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
They come out smelling like a rose after this thing.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I have many fields thoughts you do that revolve around
the way we uh as a society can't accept that
players are who they are after a certain amount of
times we watch them play. Yeah, Justin Fields is a
has started for three years. He is who he is.
(17:35):
Very rarely do we get a Josh Allen situation where
you get a two year starter, by the way, who
became something that we never expected. With quarterbacks, it kind
of is pretty hit or miss pretty quickly in their careers.
You know, there's of course room for improvement, and there
(17:56):
is room for change, and better situation might produce a
different result. But Justin Fields look exactly the same player
he had been his entire career in his first opportunity.
Is there's a uniform, held the ball too long, fumbled
two times? Like the things that people knocked him for
(18:17):
he did the exact same thing in Pittsburgh. And I
understand that we want to be positive about players and
want to always think that they can improve and become
something else and become different players. But a lot of times, Brian,
you are who you are by year four. This is
fourth year as a starter. You know, someone said to me, well,
(18:39):
his situation in Pittsburgh is different than it was in Chicago,
And I thought to myself, last year Chicago improved their
offensive line, had better weapons, had a good defense. Pittsburgh's
not much different right now. Right Yeah, their offensive line
is rebuilding. It's a rebuilding offensive line out of a
(19:00):
lot of young pieces. They had a run heavy offensive
coordinator in Arthur Smith. That's what he is. He's been
at his entire career, even more so recently. Right now,
they have one wide receiver. They're trying to get someone else.
But the reason they have one and only one, and
the reason why, see me, the reasony they're trying to
get someone else because they have one. It's not that
different of a situation. Good defense, run first offensive coordinator.
(19:24):
He is who he is at this point of his career,
and it's a good reminder too, that practice reports are
not the game because if you listen to anyone in Pittsburgh,
they've never seen a better training camp in their life
from a quarterback, right, Like, that's what that's the report
that Fields is killing it? Like, yeah, okay, it's practice.
(19:44):
He gets into a game. Brian Sama's that guy. He's
always been.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, well hey, and you're preaching to the choir here man,
because it's been three years of Justin Fields not being
good And look, I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The guy is a highlight reel.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Some of the runs that he's made and some of
the plays that he's made at times make your jaw drop.
The problem is he's not consistent and he doesn't throw
the ball very well at all. That's kind of an issue, right,
Like if you look at Justin Fields, I could bombard
you with numbers where it's just like, oh gosh, his
passer rating is right at eighty two, just for context,
(20:24):
last season, that's lower than Desmond Ridder of the Falcons.
Do you think Desmond Ridder killed it with his twelve
touchdowns and twelve picks last year?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
No, Like, Justin Fields has done less than that over
the course of three years with his passer rating, and
there were so many fans that wanted to keep them.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
They're like, yeah, just keep Fields, give them a new contract,
build around him instead of getting a young, cheaper guy,
way cheaper in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's the height of insanity.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I just don't understand these fanboys, Bill jocking justin Fields
like he's done anything.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Okay. The reason why is as a football society, we
have an extreme fascination with quarterbacks that run the football,
and people think that that leads to success. And the
fact is Brian the best quarterbacks continually, and we've talked
about this for years now, throw the ball from the
(21:26):
pocket consistently. Yeah, Mahomes scrambling, It is fun to watch.
And yes, he does some incredible things with his legs,
so so is Josh Allen. So does all this, But
the reason they win and lose is what they do
from the pocket on third down. That's how they win
and lose games. And right now, and I think for
continually it's not what Fields does best. But we have
(21:47):
this fascination buddy with like Ken so and so run
the football. Well, who cares? That's not actually what quarterback plays.
It's a It's a good addition if you have other
things that you do well. Mobility is a great thing
to have. Don't get me wrong. I'm not to say
you can't be mobile, but people they gravitate towards again, Bran,
(22:12):
they gravitate towards guys that make these highlight plays with
their legs, and that's not what winning football is at
that position.
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Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Jeff, so I've got a statement to make. You
tell me if this is just a crazy statement or
it's crazy enough to be right?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Okay, you ready here?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think the Indianapolis Colts would be better off with
Will Levis instead of Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh okay, what's the reasoning there?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So the reasoning is I just I don't believe Anthony
Richardson and Will be a precise passer in the NFL. Okay,
like we got a little bit of a taste of it.
A couple of things. He's inexperienced, he was banged up,
last year. So I only had eighty four throws at Florida,
he had under four hundred passing attempts.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's really really low.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
This is a very inexperienced guy, and so to learn
on the job if you will in the NFL, that's
gonna be really, really tough. And I love his athleticism.
He brings an added dynamic to the table. But I
just don't see him being a precise thrower. You got
a little taste of it yesterday where first throw nowhere
(23:39):
near a completion. Then one of his completions was behind
his tight end. Should have been an easy first down,
it was behind him. It slowed the tight end down,
you got a punt. It's those little things where you know,
like listen, Justin Fields, we're talking about him.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Justin Fields has raw talent.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
He's not a precise passer, and if you're not precise
in the NFL, you're not going to be that effective.
A guy like Kirk Cousins, who has borderline no athleticism,
is a precise thrower and he's had a lot of success.
He puts up numbers. So yeah, for those reasons, I
think will Levis has a better chance to be a
more precise passer than a rich does. I just I
(24:19):
think the Colts would be better off with Levis than Richardson.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I did not expect Will Levis Anthony Richardson debate this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, here we are.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
The only thing was, Look, I think that Richardson is
very raw. Well, I don't think I know, and he
sort of unfortunately had a wasted year last year, right,
being hurt. Yeah, And I think it's you know, when
you're a young quarterback, you sort of need every opportunity
to to be good, right to play. And so I'm
I agree with you there. I just think we don't
(24:49):
we don't. We don't know enough about him yet right
to make that to make that determination.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Do we about Levis or Richardson or both.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well, Richardson more anyone else? Yeah, I mean we don't really,
we don't really know quite yet what he is.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And what he's He's a wild card. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Look, here's the thing about quarterback evaluation in general in
the NFL, and and and the draft is most years,
most drafts, and the Burrow to uh Herbert one is
a little bit unique in that this is not the
case for this draft, but there's normally one quarterback in
(25:30):
that draft who ends up being the superstar? That's it?
Just one, and it seems like it's it's Stroud already. Yeah,
the Panthers hope that Bryce Young can be, you know,
just sort of good enough to you know, to be
to be average, right, But the chance of that Anthony
Richardson is is great is probably unlikely. Samuel will Levis though, too,
(25:55):
and riginally gives you the upside of the athleticism, right,
and you can build a chainsycond has shown that he
can build an offense around a quarterback and be successful.
It's not going to be the most probably high powered
passing offense, but you can RPO teams enough to get
a situation where you win enough games to be a
playoff contender, but you're probably not winning Super Bowl unless
(26:16):
you're Nick Foles and the Eagles. So it's outliers to
everything right with an RPO heavily based offense. So I'm
not sure will Levis is though take I make on
that one. But I think that you're right in saying
that we're interesting. This is probably not going to be great.
There's a lot of upside potential there, and you have
to hope that they can get the most out of them.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, okay, so half agreement. I think, right, you might
be more so. And I don't think Anthony Richardson is
going to be a stud. So we're together on that.
Will Levis, Hey, listen, Will Levis Man, you talk about
criticism before the draft. That was the common take last
year is like Will Levis sucks, like repeat, repeat, repeat.
(27:00):
I just think this the first part about Anthony Richardson.
I think that this season and I think largely throughout
his career, this is my hunch what will happen. He
is talented enough where he's gonna make some plays that
make you say, wow, he's gonna make a throw that
whatever the distance on the ball, or he's gonna make
(27:21):
a run and you're gonna go like, holy hell, who
is this guy? And then he's gonna turn around and
he's gonna do things that make you say, oh gosh,
what was that? Right?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Like I think, just yes.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I think that Anthony Richardson is a bigger justin fields,
That's what I think. I think he's gonna do some
dynamic things at times, and then he's not gonna be
a precise thrower and he's gonna leave you wanting a
whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I think that's what his career is largely gonna be about.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And I think for sure that's what this season, due
to a lot of inexperience, is gonna be like for
Anthony Richardson. Will Levis. Look, maybe it doesn't turn out
to be a are, but I've seen him rip some
throws and showcase some accuracy on a more consistent basis
than I have with Anthony Richardson. And if you give
me those traits, I think you have more upside to
(28:13):
grow into that role because that's the way the rules
are set up. It's a passing league, you know, it's
not a running quarterback league. Anthony Richardson is built like
a tank. He lasted four games. He didn't finish three
of the four games he started last year, and he
was down for the season. Like, you're not gonna last
(28:34):
running the ball over and over and over again. You
got to be a precise thrower to remain upright and
have great success in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's just the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you on that idea that I
just don't think he will be a precise enough thrower
to be successful you know, year and year out. But
he's absolutely going to make plays that wow you, and
again we're going to be intoxicated by that idea when
they're not plays that sort of If the goal every
year is to win a championship, which is what the
(29:05):
goal is for everyone, right, is it championship winning type
of plays or just or just highlight type of place
that's you have to differentiate with with with young players.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, that's the thing is Anthony Richardson justin fields. They're
going to do some special things. But what doesn't make
it on SportsCenter is the third and seven throw in
week eight that was behind the tight end that he
caught for a gain of five.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But if it was on the money, he.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Easily scoots by the defender, he picks up thirteen. You
move the chains, you might score on that drive, right Like,
that's that little stuff gets lost in the shuffle, and
that's the difference between winning and losing.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Man. I'm glad you mentioned that, man, because there are
so many throws of quarterbacks make that you just you
if they're just a little bit more on the market
changes that entire play, yep, And we see that happen
often and you just hope that they can. It's that
(30:08):
it's really, to be honest, it's that part of the
game that really matters more than anything else. It's it's
it's not can you you know, can you throw the
deep pass. It's if you're layering a pass, you layer
it exactly where it has to go to allow the
wide receiver to run a little bit more. You are
you able to make sure the wide receiver doesn't get
you know, a hospital ball right like, you layer it
(30:28):
to where it has to be. So it uh, that's
as just an underrated part of playing quarterback that we
don't talk about it enough.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, absolutely,
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