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Today on 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington discuss John Harbaugh getting fired by the Ravens and what decisions led to this result. Plus, the guys talk why Jimmy Haslam has no self awareness to his entire organization, Godzilla talks, and more!!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
This you're listening to Fox Sports Radio, Two Pros and
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Jonas Knox in the air.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Everybody hears this song. Now, that's why I haven't changed it.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, I gotta get mine done. Got to get it changed.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
What do you mean everyone hears it? See you don't
watch the games all like that. Well, when you watch
the games, you'll hear this.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I hear that song.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm telling you, Like before every kickoff, like after a
score or something like that, you'll hear this song. This
is the one, just the one they play. I'm like,
there it is right there. I want to say it
to the guys tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
There it is every week I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I don't even want this to come off in anyway.
There we go typically don't have the volume up on
the TVs.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Or reason or or you're calling it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, I'm not doing that many but well I just
it's it's tough. You got five young kids in the house.
You know, they don't want to theyn't want to hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Oh so I'm just messing anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
But the interesting thing is is I do be I
hear it like like.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Multiple games from a show. I thought that was from
Is it Scandal? What was the name of the show? Oh,
I don't know, is it Patrick Macy or something like that.
The first time I ever heard this was what's that
guy's name? I was doing, you know, my my daughter's team,
the Oregon Ducks. That's when I heard the songs like
this is this song kind of hypes me up? Like

(01:55):
I'm kind of like I don't want to get hype,
But am I getting hype right now?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Like I'm feeling like I'm this is getting me William H.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Spacey, I was not even close from Shameless, Shameless, thank you?
I think that that songs and Shameless.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
It's a good show. I didn't finish it it was
a good show. Yeah, little redundant. Do you have to
finish a show for it to be a good show?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I didn't finish Homeland, and I thought Homeland was a
good show. I have yet to finish Homeland. Did they
did it finish like that? Was there a conclusion to Homeland?
I don't know how many.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
Students a ton I think a good show, I will
watch again and again. I'll have it playing in the background,
but I'm not even watching it, you know, and I
definitely finish it.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, So a good show in your mind you have
to finish to do you have to finish the series?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I don't feel like you have to finish a series
for it to be a good show.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Okay. How about do you have to see every episode?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like like Seinfeld was around in an era where you
didn't have the ability to to necessarily like tape it
and come back and watch like by like DVDs and stuff.
So do you at least have to watch every episode?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
I don't never seen a full episode of Seinfeld ever once.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But it's not that's not your humor. How about Breaking Bad?
Have you seen Breaking Back?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes? Yeah? Now show like that. You have to make
it to the Yeah, I finished. We got to make it.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
It was physically ill. It got a little depressing. Yeah,
I was physically ill.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I was upset for like a couple of days after
I finished it, and I've binge watched it. I've been
watched I binged it like I think I took like
three days to watch it.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Game Game of Thrones, I've watched that multiple times. It's
just it's it's too long. I did it once.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I'm good. I don't need to go back and watch.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I could go watch Game of Thrones today. I could
go watch House and Dragons this first day. I know
what episodes Dany, Well, you're talking about Kyle Drogo, Drago,
Darth Rockey, the Thrackies, Well, that Stranger Things, Jonas, Oh
here he goes.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, I watched it definitely.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Well, yeah, I finished the last season. Five came out.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, the last episode came out.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Say anything, don't so. I watched the first three. I
was starting to crack open, like I'm one of the
I have to be a d bag and do like
if I'm doing cardio, I can't like not do something
else if I'm doing Cardio. So now I have to
like put on a show or something, and so like
I'm that's what I'm watching.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
And I realized I must have missed all season four, so.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I've never watching one second of it.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
It's kind of sci fi. You have to be in
the sci fi. I like sci fi. I've just never
I always thought.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Stranger Things was a kid's movie. Well it's what they do.
And I told you this. It's the The brilliant part
about it is it's a kid show, but it takes
place back then, so parents can look back and go,
I remember that, like I remember.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It's like Little Mermaid. It's it's very relatable, Like Little Marmade.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Daddy was a hoe, had a whole bunch of shorties,
different different, different ethnic background. I had a whole bunch
of kids, a whole bunch of daughters. One was more
special than the rest of them. She wanted what she
couldn't have, but she was spoiled, so she went and
got it, you know what I mean. Like he he was.
He was spoiled, the same Mermaid, Little Mermaid.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, he animated or the live action original, it doesn't
matter the original, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
There's there is always adult context connected to Disney movies.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well that's true. I mean, it just is what it is. Brady.
I'll just say this, no spoiler on Stranger Things. Oh,
here we go.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
You're you're a geek, be on the lookout for the
forcing of something woke.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
To the show that was told. Oh I already that'd
season four. I already.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm already like really, like do we need to hammer?
I don't want to get into it. Man, everything's so forceding.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh I know what you're doing. Okay, all right, okay
twenty twenty six. I got you, agendas, Yeah, yeah, I
got you.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
It's like thought, we just have a fun story that
doesn't have to.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Like yeah, like kind of like, you know, to introduce
you to that world, got it.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, it's not even to introduce you to it. It's
just like because that's always been the case. But like
in some in some plots, things are really forced interesting.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's like it comes out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
There's no justification for it, it doesn't tie into it,
and you're just going, okay, into a kid, just as
someone's got a got literally nothing to.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Do with any anything.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, And for whatever reason, they got to make sure
we dotted that I and cross that te so that.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
We're literally got that across that tea. Okay, all right, Yeah,
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All right, So you want to hear somebody who's got
no self awareness whatsoever, get a with Jimmy hasm the
owner of the Cleveland Browns. When there was some discussion
about whether or not Andrew Berry, current GM and now
former head coach Kevin Stefanski could get along, some of.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
You said this is a dysfunctional building. I'd take a
huge exception of that. The two of them work just
like this, okay, and they talk all the time. Their
offices are basically next door to each other. I mean,
is there tension in the building, of course, I mean
there's this is a hard business, and there's lots of
stuff going on, but the two of them work together

(07:55):
extremely well, extremely well started. I can't calm on that
one thing, Tony. But if anybody says this is dysfunctional,
well though two of them did not work well, but
that's dead wrong.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Now.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
The question that was being asked was why would Kevin
Stefanski be surprised that Joe Flacco was traded in the
division in.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
The middle of the year, which, by the way, how
many times does that happen? It's crazy, It's great.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
That's why Mike Tomlin was so outspoken about it, because
he's like, look, man, why would you do that? Yeah,
like Stefanski's a buddy of his and Stefanski it's it's
the most If you go back and listen to Stefanski
after that came out, it's the most frustrated I'd ever
heard him in Cleveland. I'd never heard him get frustrated,
be impatient anything with the media, even with all the

(08:43):
shoot or crap that he was dealing with that Joe
Flacco trade. I was the most frustrated he sounded, because
he was like, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
What is happening here?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I find it fascinating you have an owner who's taken
over as the majority owner back in October of twenty twelve. Okay,
in that time they've fired seven coaches. The list of
coaches Pat Shermer, Robchazinsky only got one year, and I

(09:19):
guess in Jimmy Haslam's defense, he inherited Pat Shermer, but
Rocherz Incy only got one year.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
That was his first hire, a.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Guy who like bled, sweat everything for the Browns, you know,
from that like northern part of Ohio, and had been
there with me as an oc. He loved everything about
that place, and only gave him a year. Hire's Mike Petton,
he gets two years, he gets fired. Hires Hugh Jackson,

(09:47):
he gets three years. We'll get into that. He gets fired,
Greg Williams, he steps in for half a season, whatever
it was, he gets fired. Freddy Kitchens one season, one
and done. He's fired. At least Kevin Stefansy got more time,
but a lot of that was because when he first
got there, he wins the APNFL Coach of the Year

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and they end up going to the playoffs at.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Eleven and five.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Next year, got rid of Mayfield after they when AD
nine missed the playoffs. Remember Mayfield's playing banged up to
can't figure out a long term contract. Whatever rift happened, happened.
You know, they bring in Watson, they'll go seven to ten.
Then Watson gets hurt and Flaker comes in twenty twenty three,
another playoff year, but comes in as their fourth quarterback

(10:33):
that season. Stefanski once again wins Coach of the Year
three and fourteen, five and twelve. So there's your track
record of him as an owner. And I think in
that timeframe, if it's not the most coaches who have
been hired and fired, it's got to be top three
in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I don't know about you, guys, Does that sound like dysfunction?
Kind of? Okay? I was like, you can't make up
your mind, and then let me help people understand too.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
What happens when you don't have like a clean sweep
between the front office and a head coach. Typically it's
because one of those guys has the ear of the owner,
and in this case, Andrew Berry, who survived, and Kevin
Stefanski they've moved on from, clearly has the ear of
Jimmy HASLM. Because this is Andrew Berry's tenure with the

(11:28):
Cleveland Browns. He originally started there back in twenty sixteen.
I think he was like the vice president of something
or whatever, but high up in the front office.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
And during that period of time he was a part
of group and.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
A brain trust that came up with the idea to
tank in essence to be able to get top line
players like a Baker Mayfield, like a Miles Scarrett. So
you could say from that perspective it was successful to
a degree, right, Miles gear just set the single season
sack record. But during Barry's initial stint, they go one
to fifteen, oh to sixteen, seven to.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Eight and one he leaves to go to the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
He comes back in twenty twenty, so he's been gone
for a couple of years. He inherits basically a roster
that I guess you'd say they helped kind of put
together because they stunk so bad, ended up kneecapping Hugh Jackson, right,
remember that whole debacle. So they he comes back in
twenty twenty now as the general manager and really a

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roster that he didn't build, didn't have much saying, goes
to the playoffs in large part because of Mayfield's play
Stefanski obviously coached the year his coaching job, all right,
so what happens, Well, the next season they go eight
to nine. Mayfield ends up moving on. They can't figure
out a way of working a long term deal. And
you can put that on HASLM, the reship with Mayfield,
whatever you want, but andrews Berry's a part of that.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
So they couldn't get the deal done.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
They ended up bringing Deshaun Watson, signed him to this
ridiculous deal. We've never seen that much guaranteed money before
on a fully guaranteed deal.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
He can't stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
They go seven and ten, and then again we go
back to the twenty twenty three season, in large part
due to you could say luck that Flacka was even
available by a lot of coaching because what stefanski Is
staff did. And then since that point they've deteriorated to
a three, fourteen, five and twelve team. And so I
look at him, just say, how the hell is this

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guy still hired? How is he still your general manager? Like,
if there's one person in the building he was immediately
going to.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Get interviews, it's Kevin Stefanski.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And somehow Andrew Berry's safe in all this like, he
wasn't a part of arguably the worst season the history
of the Browns, the worst two year tenure in twenty
sixteen twenty.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Seventy, he was a part of that.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
He hasn't been a part of the lack of any
stability that any quarterback had. I don't care if you
want to talk about Watson Shador whoever, and he trades away,
you'll fly him in the division. It's mind boggling to
me that somehow Andrew Berry has survived and there's not

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wanting to be a clean sweep in this whole thing.
So yeah, that sounds like dysfunction to me.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
One playoff win, two playoff appearances in the last decade
at the pro level, that's dysfunctional.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
That's dysfunctional.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
The sun shines on a blind dog's ass once in
its life, that's what that is.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
Like.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
The fact that they made it, in the fact that
they were able to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the
wildcard round and get that one singular win, that's what
it spells. And I would say the bigger concern here
is that you have an owner that is actually out
front saying that he takes exception to it and is

(15:00):
trying to defend what the organization, what it currently is.
You know, they say, like, when you go to get help,
one of the first things that I took classes on
this in college. You know, that's what I majored in.
So I'm talking to some counseling education. You have to acknowledge,

(15:20):
you got to acknowledge what your problem is. You can't
fix what's wrong until you first acknowledge what is wrong.
So the fact that you have an owner that isn't
even able to acknowledge the fact that you have a
dysfunctional organization means that you're destined to continue to repeat
the same shortcomings, the same mistakes that have you in

(15:43):
a situation that you're currently in. You cannot you cannot
change those circumstances until you actively know what circumstances you're.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Trying to change.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
So I don't know if maybe at night, he's looking
in the mirror and he's like, yeah, we are dysfunctional
and I need to figure it out, and that could
possibly be what it is. But to me, I feel
like in the business of athletics and football, I feel
like being candid, being transparent and to a certain degree

(16:18):
is endearing to your fan base.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
It is a breath of fresh.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Air when you hear a person of his status say
it like, yeah, we are a little dysfunctional. Are we
fully dysfunctional? I would take tremendous exception to that. I
don't think we're fully dysfunctional, but we're dysfunctional enough where
we're getting the results that I can't argue against you
guys asking me or me seeing reports or hearing about

(16:45):
how dysfunctional we are. These are things that we have
to address to me. If he came out and got
out front of it in that way, I think that
goes a much further way versus the idea of putting
it out there. You take tremendous exception to the fact
that there's dysfunction within the building and that the GM

(17:08):
and the Hey coach didn't get along and all those
You're you're defending the wrong discussion points anyway, if you
ask me.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
I mean, yeah, So basically, no self awareness, Like he's
not aware enough to realize I got a problem, like
this is a real issue. And look, it's not to
say that maybe he's embarrassed. You know, he could It's fine,
he could be aware. He just might be embarrassed to
say that that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
So walk. Sometimes ego can get in the way of
things as.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Well, all right, So I don't care how big your
ego is. If you've got a skid mark on your backside,
at a certain point, you got to take your trousers off, okay,
like you just got to change pants. And he's walking
around with his skid mark from his shoulder blades to
his ass and he's looking around going, oh, what do
you mean, what's the problem, dude? It's not teams whiff

(17:54):
on trades all the time. It happens like nobody's perfect.
Look at the forty nine ers. I mean the Trey
Lance deal they give what three first round picks, Like
the Brandon Ayuke deal. Like, yeah, teams can make mistakes, understood,
But it's the teams that are able to overcome them
that you're you don't really look at them and judge
them differently. The Broncos the Russell Wilson trade man that

(18:17):
didn't work out at all. That was a full blown
with Look at the Broncos. Now they got the one
seed in the playoffs. The Niners almost had the one
seed in the NFC. And those are trades that happen.
They have nobody and those are trades that happened not
that long ago with the Browns and Jimmy has them.
There's multiple examples of stuff they've done to where you're.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Like, why, why, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (18:42):
You got Baker Mayfield, who's flourished in Tampa Bay, whatever
you think of it. You know, he was banged up
this year. He was in the building that was yours.
You let him walk. Kevin Stefanski's going to get hired
somewhere as a two time Coach of the Year, you
let him walk. It's just time after time after time,
the dish on Watson fiasco. So him looking around and going, well,

(19:03):
what's the problem you.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Man?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
I really don't get this is like Winny Johnson crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
And even the Watson deal in retrospect like that has
not gotten him. I mean, not that he cares about
what owners think or feel about him. Have we seen
someone have anywhere close to that deal since no, no,
and because it's failed miserably, Like you know, kudos to
the agent, kudos to the player. But on the flip

(19:33):
side of that, you're never going to see another player
get that offer opportunity again because it's blown up, it
hasn't worked out, and that's that's another staining again. If
you want to put on Jimmy Hasselm, so be it.
But Andrew Berry is a part of that too. So
it's just it's crazy to me that you can look
in the mirror and say, oh, this isn't dysfunctional yet.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
It is yet.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
It is like you can't have this sort of string
of zero success and these outlier years with a coach
who's kind of guided you through in a locker room
that you know is able to make make their way,
playing with multiple quarterbacks and find success still and then
sit there and say, oh, a general manager. It's like

(20:16):
once the season starts, it's more like coaching staff than
anything else. Some agms that can come in and help.
But I know a lot of people are critical of
Joe Shane, you know, remaining with the New York Giants
and that the ten years since he's been in there
and all that. And you can give Joe Shane a
lot of flack for not signing back Saquon.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
That's justified.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's really how he handled Daniel Jones slash Saquon, how
that whole thing should have went down, But when it
comes down to it, there's still some building black pieces
on that team, and he's not coaching once the season starts.
He's not down there calling plays, making adjustments.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I always find it interesting that in some instances we're
willing to sit there and I kind of point the
finger at someone else who as to coach. The guy
is going to be a coach if he wants next season. Uh,
you just let go of a guy who's a two
time coach. There how many guys how many active head
coaches right now are multiple time APNFL Coach of the Years.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's not too many. Yeah, I can't off the top
of my head. I'm only thinking of Hey, the fact
that before we even got going with the season, Brady
Quinn says, it's the Cleveland Browns Shador Sanders will play,

(21:35):
and they gave me the information on how many quarterbacks?
Was it what six in one year that played? I
believe was the number that was given.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh, this year, Yeah, that might be right.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Say it was one of the years. I'm not sure
if it was this year, but and it could have
been this year. I don't this year they had at
least four.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Five.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
If that, if I'm asking you, if you're rebuttaling you,
you take tremendous exception to the fact that this is
a dysfunctional organization. The first rebuttal I would have is, sir,
do you realize that you have a fifth round draft

(22:19):
pick starting your your team at the end of the
season over a third round draft pick and two free
agents that you brought in to play and one of
those was traded to a divisional opponent.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's like it's like, hey, I'm by the way, yeah,
only three starters only.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
It was last it was either less, the season hadn't started.
You had cited.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
It was one of the seasons that it was like
at least six quarterbacks played started or played for.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
The Cleveland Browns. I think it was six, I'm pretty certain.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
And for all those Browns fans that are upset about
the manner in which I'm taking this or or what
I'm saying, I did pick them with the Super Bowl
or if they go to the Super Bowl like two
years and you did, Yeah I did, you did, and
obviously that was well off.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
So y'all can be upset all you want.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
But I've been in this corner for a long time
as a childhood fan as a player, which you know,
it was different ownership back then. And this is the
one thing I've always said like about Jimmy HASLM is
he's got deep pockets and he's willing to spend and
so as much as there is dysfunction, like he still
has the capabilities of turning this thing around.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Now you want to talk about the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
The Raiders are a whole different conversation and we can
talk about that tomorrow or there's some others. But like again,
I think the Giants have money. There's other organizations where
they don't have to necessarily go out to raise capital
or bring in limited partners to get cash to then
spend and turn this thing around. Like Jimmy HASLM has
money and he's willing to spend it. We saw it

(23:58):
with the Miles Garrett conchact. We saw other players contracts
Watson we mentioned. So that is the one optimistic approach
outside of we were drafting. But also you have an
owner that's willing to spend that money. He's not just
trying to hold it all and make a profit and
take a bunch of money off the table.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
I just think you got to change the name in
order to change the direction of the franchise.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Just start there. What are you going with? Start there?
You skit mark.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
If you got the skit mark on your trousers and
you're not going to take them off.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Then that's on you.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean, And the fact that they've been the diapers
high whatever it is you went down that lane.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Jonas had a close call with some dairy. That's why
he brings that up recently. What do you mean is
he because he has those.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Real life experiences where he's lactose intolerant of army too, and.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
He'll hit me up and be like, yep, almost happened. Hey,
by the way, almost happen. Let's not.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Let's not act like you don't also fall victim to
that in the in the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
All right, Brady is charged. I turned forty and all
of a sudden, a lot of things change.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Freaks realize slowly that milkshake fetish that lands differently past forty.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Dad, that's good, all right. We had a long drive home.
I can sit well. I had that happen yesterday at
the barber shop. I was like, yeah, just wait till
I get home. Always always wait, do you guys happen
to have a restaurroom? It's the worst one.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
You got to take a long time before you come out,
Like if you could be quick with your your you know,
entry and departure, it's yeah, but when you when you're
at an away game and you're in there for too long.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
A year, everyone knows there's no escaping man.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
And then the worst is when somebody doesn't give it
that that grace period before they go in there. Oh no,
and you got to sit there and you're like looking
around like why you're gonna go in there?

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Why why would you go in there?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And then the one time I don't have like lighter
with me, or they don't have a lighter in the bathroom,
but they have like incense or something like that that
could be lit.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
I don't have a lighter. It was bad I had
or does it have to be a match?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
It needed to be something that I could light something
with fire in order to take away knock down some
of the arrogance that came out of me.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yeah, the problem is there's a smoke alarm in there.
Then no, that wouldn't have been that much smoke. It
just would have been like a little Yeah, not like that.
That's a little extreme. That's a little extreme.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
The crazy thing is when I saw it, I was like.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Would I do it? Like, Nah, I would choke, I
would choke. That's too much. That was too much.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Yeah, all right, so it's too much. So diapers know
for a team name for the Browns, what about the Steamers.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
I just think you got to change Browns.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I think you've already you're you've already set yourself back
by I want a Steamer be at this point, and
you're in your franchises, like when when the when the
Mayflowers left, when they came back, they brought them back. Like,
think about it. You went from the Browns to the Ravens. Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It pays homage obviously to their you know, legendary first
coach Paul Brown.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, I get it, you know, I get it. But
we're so far away from Paul Brown.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
We're so far away. Yeah, Like changing the name.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Do you know what one of their other options was
that they almost called them, what was it, the Cleveland Panthers.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
That I would have no problem with that.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Now that does have a little bit of conflict because
Pittsburgh has Panthers, and there is a very very long
lasting beef between Ohio and Pennsylvania. So I could see
if y'all didn't go with Panthers. But it sounds better
than Brown's. Yeah, that's all I'll say.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
So. No, No, I.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Believe if the if the story of the legend is true,
they had a fan contest to pick the name, and
that's what the fans picked. So it is an interesting
thing to bring up because maybe they have the fans picked.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, So here's a problem with that.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Then don't accuse the owner of being dysfunctional when the
fans are dysfunctional too, Because while I would love to
pay homage to Chuck Knowle, I would never want to
call the Sburg Steelers the Knowles Pittsburgh Knowles. No, I
wouldn't want to do it. Not bad, No, it's not bad.
It's not great, all right, better than Brown's. Yeah, not

(28:33):
a fan of the I knew you had to do it.
You had to do it, not hning you over.

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A huge fan, huge fan, not so much the mushrooms,
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Speaker 4 (32:17):
All right day, bang it out, go ahead, bar take
your victory.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Laugh.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
No, I don't need to. I don't need to. You know,
I throw things out there.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Y'all be trying to shoot me down or make it
racial or whatever, But you know, I.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Just playing stuff out there. What am I missing?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Nothing, nothing, nothing. John har John Harbor has been fired.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
No, oh he lost his job. Yeah, oh here comes Q.
Here go ahead, Q. We did yeh got.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
What am I missing? Nothing? Go ahead?

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Man?

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Go it?

Speaker 8 (32:56):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (32:56):
I mean I'm a bit surprised she's immediately.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
The most interesting report I saw about this was there's
six openings in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Right, it's a lot, and he had seven teams in choirir,
dang ah, do you well?

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Are you looking for the other teams? Probably Tampa Bay,
it would be my guess.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I found that kind of interesting that there's obviously someone
who's back channeling to potentially bring him as the next
head coach. And rightfully so, when you go eighteen years,
twelve times in the playoffs win a super Bowl, you're
going to be that guy. And I do wonder for
Baltimore and if the report of Steve Bushatti is frustrated

(33:34):
with his inability to win the playoffs, they just waited
for that down year and now they're like, all right,
time to move on, or if there's more there and
they feel like there needs to be a better marriage
between their quarterback and their head coach.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I just think this is the new standard. It really is,
and it's going to take a lot of a lot
of elements of factors falling into place for a coach
to have as long a tenure as as a hardball

(34:12):
he had an amazing run. It was a long long time.
Was almost two decades? What was it like, eighteen years?
Eighteen years?

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, just said eighten years. So I just don't think
that you're when we say what have you done for me? Lately?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
That's always been a term that's been connected to the
National Football League and to pro sports in general, but
I think it's taken on an entirely different meaning. And
and and again. I said this on the show yesterday.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
It used to.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Seem like you got at least three years before you
were measured and weighed on if you were going to
lose your job as a coach. You get one that's new,
that's the new norm, that's the new standard. Coaches are
being looked at the same way players are. And that

(35:08):
for me, that's my kind of for me, my epiphany
on on black Mondays is that coaches nowadays you have
to be prepared for your coach, for your team, or
just in general, be prepared for coaches to be fired
and and not take long for it to happen. And

(35:29):
so it'll be interesting to see how many of these coaches,
and there are some really really fine coaches that are
emerging a new guard, so to speak, of coaches emerging
in the league. It'll be interesting to see how much
tenure is a part of these guys's jobs anymore. Because

(35:53):
I don't think it's racially based. Some may may try
to make it a racial thing and something we keep
going back to that. I was just making my point.
That's all I think. I think is someone saying it's
racially based. No, no, no, no, I was just I
was just making a point, that's all. I was joking
about it earlier because you know Jonahs always, you know Jonah,

(36:15):
because I was making the comparison early on when I
was talking about this before it happened, I was comparing
the two jobs of Harball and Mike Tomlin, and I
said a few times, these were both two very comparable situations.
So that was where the whole early part of the
racial part of it came from. But this was just

(36:37):
part of my point, my point. You know a lot
of times, you know, I've heard a lot about the
Rooney rule as of late. I know Whitlow came out
and said that firing firing coaches very early. Is has
become a part of you know, the death of the
Rooney rule and stuff like that. Anyways, this is just
me paying attention to things that are out there, but

(37:00):
just making it a general point in my my point.
I don't think it's Rachel, I really don't. I think
that this is the new norm of you have this
amount of time to get results, and I think that
it is gauged and it is measured not only by
the year, it might be gauged and measured by the game.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
And and that's the new norm.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And and that's what comes with having a high profile
job like a head coach in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Worse, I don't understand where the race thing comes into it,
like the fancy that clip Dave all guy clip correct, And.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I think I think that that's where it makes it.
Carol got clip, Like what are we talking about?

Speaker 5 (37:41):
I think that that's where it makes it maybe, And
I feel attacked. Yeah right, yeah again, I'm just making
my point. No, I'm hitting on my my my point topics.
I did not make it Rachel with what I'm saying.
I'm saying, but.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Like I guess I'm just curious, like who's making it, Rachel,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I don't get it, you know, I'm just making my point.
I think that sometimes you get caught up into what
you're thinking, and that's really all that matters.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
I'm just making a general point. That's that's all I'm doing.
He's just making a general point.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
In this situation specifically, the examples are the examples they
I mean, they are the examples that it's not. It's
not I'm not saying saying it based upon who just
got fired. I'm saying in general and totality when you
think about the conversations.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
That do circulate. I just put it in there.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Because that is sometimes a topic that becomes a part
of the discussion.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
That's all In this case specifically, this is my my
guess as to what happened, because there were some reports
that John Harbaugh refused to fire offensive coordinator Todd.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Monkin, like he wasn't going to fire him.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
And if you go back to the story that came
out from the Baltimore on from Mike Preston that talked
about Lamar falling asleep in meetings and staying up playing
video games and all that stuff, it felt like things
were awkward, and the fact that that story even made
the rounds like that, that feels like and we're going
to get into dysfunctional organizations in the NFL. That felt

(39:17):
like a dysfunctional aspect of the organization. Why would that
be out Why would that be a conversation to be had?
And I wonder if John Harbaugh got to the point,
because he reportedly was surprised that it got here and
it happened real quick. He didn't even have a time
to tell his assistance like they had they found out,
you know elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
I do wonder if John Harbaugh.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Got to a point to where he's like, look, man,
I'm not going to fire another coordinator. I'm not going
to make a change here. We've got a problem. And
the problem is we've got a quarterback that we can't
depend on from a health standpoint. He doesn't even practice
full weeks anymore. It's not a coordinator problem. We need more,
whether you want to call it buy in or more

(40:01):
consistency from that guy. That's really the issue here, and
the organization looking at it said maybe we got to choose.
We got to choose Lamar Jackson, we got to choose
John Harbaugh. If this is the direction. If this is
where we're at, that's that's the way we're going with this,
because it just it felt like it got to the

(40:24):
point where stories like that get out. It got uncomfortable,
it got awkward, and here we are and now he's
you know, the hottest name on the market. But I
just think it deteriorated that relationship between him and Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, And I think the tough thing is when you
coach somewhere for eighteen years, you know, the culture, like,
you're not upholding it anymore as the coach. It's usually
the players. And that's what's tough about it is if
you've got this sort of fracture with the other person
who's you know, viewed as the most important next to

(40:58):
the coach, and he's not buying in or he's not
you know, able to respect you, that becomes an issue.
There are a lot of memes and things put out
there about Miles Garrett and the Browns and Kevin Stefanski after.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
His firing there was a video that was going viral
and it doesn't take much.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
And then in this case, I think the tough part is,
you know, the Super Bowls won before Lamar got there.
You know, if John Harbaugh and Lamar had won that
Super Bowl together, but probably feel a little bit different, right,
there'd be that tie, that that history and maybe even
more respect. But really, in reality, Lamar kind of saved

(41:38):
John Harbaugh. You know, people will tend to forget, you know,
after that Super Bowl in twenty twelve, the Bravens only
made one playoff run before Lamar was drafted, and he
came in that what twenty eighteen year Leo ten and six.
They get to the playoffs, excuse me, they lose in
the wildcard round, but then you look at the next year,

(41:58):
I believe that was his MVP. They go fourteen to two.
They end up losing in the divisional round. You know,
next year again divisional round loss, but they went They
ripped off a string of playoff runs, you know, missed
in twenty twenty one, but then again the same thing
three years in a row. This is the first year
they've missed it in the last four and in large part,
I think when you're looking at this team, at every

(42:22):
like piece that makes the fabric of what the Ravens
have been. You know, defensive minded, you know, the tough,
physical run game and all that. They're just inconsistencies with
all of it, and it all seemed like it was
coming apart of the seams. So I think the lack
of maybe history between the two and the success, you know,

(42:43):
where we've always kind of said to this as like
an annual team that we look at as a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
But what are the gonna do once they get in
the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
And at some point when you're not getting in the playoffs,
you're not winning the super Bowls and you're not going
to the runs like you think you should. When you
got a two time MVP, who's the fingerbee, We're gonna
be pointed at and they're gonna have to pick one,
and they chose. They chose Lamar probably over John Harbaugh
with at least based on reports how things were coming,
you know, coming out about whatever relationship had deteriorated.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
So it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I mean, the Hartball's gonna be coaching somewhere else if
he wants, He's gonna have many opportunities. I think he's
earned that, and there's an organization that benefits from it.
And for the Baltimore Ravens. And one thing you can
say they've done well is they've had a ton of stability.
They have hired really good assistants who have moved on
Mike McDonald, for example, the head coach of the Seahawks.

(43:36):
So there is some optimism too as to who they
hire as their next head coach being a fit and
I think ultimately that guy will probably be someone that
they want to be.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Able to work well with Lamar.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
And if I'm Steve Bushatti and I end up choosing
Lamar over John Harbaugh, if things are true there are
some fractures there in their relationship, he should probably be
a little bit part of the conversation about who that
next head coach is, who he wants to work with,
and making sure they have a good working relationship to
make this work.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I think that's dangerous. I think it's dangerous where.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, it's easy to say that, but that's the reality
of whoever's coming in next, right, Like those two have
to work together. And regardless of a coach and him
having that different position between the two, you've you've already
made that the kind of dangerous decision of moving on
from a coach who was probably trying to uphold what
he was trying to uphold with with his culture and
his environment.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
All that got Let me ask you guys a question.
When Lamar was in the situation trying to get his
contract done, did he end up getting the deal that
he wanted? Would we say he got the deal that
he wanted?

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Or I think the deal it was fully guaranteed, which
was not that But he got a good deal.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
How I mean in terms of if you're gauging and
measuring if Lamar was happy with the result, whether he
got it fully guaranteed or not. Was it a win
contract for him? Did he would you say he got
his way or not?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (45:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah, he got his way? Yes, sure, sure.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I just think that there's a pattern here, and I
think Harball Harball is is collateral damage to a pattern
that is is now developed, which is Lamar Jackson is
going to get his way enable, he's enabled and and

(45:33):
and for the reports to just recently surface as to
this possible, would you have been able to say there's
a fracture between Harball and Jackson before now?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
No? No, So I just.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Think that there's there's there's danger here if that is
indeed the thought process of how things are being handled,
because for what it's worth is talented as as Lamar
Jackson is and has been for this team, as much
of a rising tide as he's been for the Ravens,

(46:12):
and the excitement of what he brings to the table,
he hasn't delivered. He has not delivered what it is
that comes with the amount of fan fear that's connected
to him. The Ravens have a very very nice tradition
of those players actually proving out in the history of

(46:35):
their franchise, whether it be Jonathan Ogden on the offensive
side of the ball or ray Lewis on the other
side of the ball, Terrell Suggs. They've delivered super Bowls
to the city. So a star warth player for this
organization is it's important that you get to the pinnacle

(46:58):
of what that represents. Doesn't exist for every every single franchise,
but it does for the Ravens. I just think that
for what it's worth, the standard that they've created, the
reputation that they've created in Baltimore, if that is indeed
Lamar Jackson being catered to in this scenario, and that's

(47:18):
what led to this and that's what will lead to
the next head coach and what they're what their success
level is measured on. It's a dangerous It's that is
a dangerous foundation to build what you're building.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
That's what I would say.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I think what's dangerous about it is they've got they've
got a restructure as contract, which I think you knew
once Hardball's gone that this is going to happen, and
it's going to happen in a manner that probably extends
him out at least a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
He's a seventy four point five million dollar capet this year.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
It's way too high, and so they're going to restructure it.
How that process goes will be interesting because again he
doesn't have representation.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
He represents himself.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
So maybe it will be smoother this this time around,
especially if they bring in a coach that he wants
to play with, or a coach coach that's really brought
in for him to work with and maximize the skills.
But that's definitely something to keep an eye on this
offseason in regards to Baltimore and how.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
This whole thing plays out. Yeah, that's it makes the.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Playoffs even more interesting though, because again I don't I
don't know that Tomlin is safe I don't know that
making it to the playoffs is good enough.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I don't know that this becomes the narrative for the
Buffalo Bills next year if they don't do well in
the playoffs. Like, there are storylines underlying storylines connected to
some of these you know what's happening right now, especially
with the Ravens. There's going to be the same type
of narrative or conversations in that same realm that takes

(48:53):
place depending on what the success level of the run
is within the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Can I do a hypothetical? Well, well, as I said,
there's Tomlin, there's McDermott. Yeah, there's a number of that
are feeling that pressure, right, I would assume. So if
Tyler Loop makes that kick.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Isn't that crazy? It's not even Tomlin's day. We're talking
about ty three.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
How many travels he missed a kick by like six
seven feet whatever?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I just see though, kind of wild.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well, I just like, I know we want to paint
it out because of the outcome and whoever ended.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Up losing out in the division.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
You know, there was going to be more angst for
not being in the postseason not but it doesn't boil
down to me to one kick, one game, And if
that's what you're looking for as the reason to then
justify why you're moving on from a coach, I just
I feel like that's that's the beginning of a of
an even worse situation, Like you should probably have a

(49:52):
list of things that you feel like are the reasons
as to why, And I'm sure Steve Bashatti does, or
you know some else who's helping him with them. Maybe
it's Eric DaCosta, the general manager. But I think the
point of like loyalty to their staff. You know, if
you really look at it, it's like, yo, okay, you
want to move on from Todd Mugen. That sounds like
there was something else going on offensively, because their offense

(50:15):
was better than their defense. Their defense is what's let
them down. They're twenty fourth ranked in the league. We
can comb through whatever else. I mean, they're awful against
the pass. They had a tough time getting a pass rush.
It's just this was not a great defensive team this year,
and Baltimore has been known for that. But to the
greater point of these coaches keeping loyalty through their assistance,

(50:36):
that was the same thing with Jonathan Gannon, like you
go through that firing, I would imagine now it doesn't
come out, But in the early part of the year
it was Drew Petsing their OC who struggled. In the
latter part of the year, it was Rawless their DC,
and I would I would imagine that way it went
again and said, hey, we need you. If you're going
to stay for another year, make some changes. And he's like,

(50:57):
I'm staying loyal to these guys. These coaching circles are tight.
Now people have to realize these guys end up hiring
each other later on. It's all ancestual, Like all these
these guys are you know, they don't want to burn
those bridges with one another, and they want to stay
loyalton because they know they'll get another opportunity.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
It's very real. That's very real.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I think that's the reason for the reporting on the relationship,
because you can't justify it on a miss Field goals
to his.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Body of work is too strong because the issues are
still there, Like if he makes that kick and we're
talking about Ravens Texans and you know if Baltimore, you know,
gets beat by Houston, you know, the first round of
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
The issues are still there in the conversation, and then
it gets released.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Then right then then the relationship, dynamic, conflict, whatever you
want to call it, it is released.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Then I think it's still to the point.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I think you guys are making valid you know, insertions
that that isn't it. It wasn't a missfield goal. It
was just that was the proper time to put this
information out there. Add that to whatever it is that
your your reasoning is to wait it to let a
very very well accomplished coach, a long tenured coach go

(52:16):
from your organization. I think that that's just how it works.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Okay, so a couple of things. Tomlin doesn't have that
same issue right as far as this relationship with this quarterback.
So I feel like that I'm not sure what you
draw what you draw to, it's just the locker room
culture and success. It's it's it's the same, it's the
same narrative. It's just not connected to a franchise player.

(52:44):
It's the it's the culture of the locker room that
Ben Roethlisberger has highlighted, the deterioration of it. People looking
at how these these receivers crash out and why they're
allowed to do it and they're able to do it.
Those are the things.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
That people use as as leverage and ammunition to create
what we're talking about with Harball with Tomlin again, That's
why I thought that it was such a relative conversation
and speaking both their names pretty much in the same conversation.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
You know, I.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Really do believe whoever lost that game was going to
be a part of this conversation today. And I don't
know what Tomlin is out of the woods on that.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Okay, to that point, can we get some games show music?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Because I want to ask you guys a question that
I think I think it warrants some game show music
that's perfect. Which one of these playoff teams head coaches
gets the acts with a loss in the wildcard? Rind
LeVar Arringtons, Pittsburgh Steelers, somebody Tomlin? Or could it be

(53:59):
the Buffalo Bills and Sean mcdermoy or finally that Lafour
and the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Take your pic, guentlemen, Now, does it have to be
a firing or.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
What about stepping away?

Speaker 4 (54:16):
They're gone, Okay, gone, like however you want to say it.
They're not Jared Mike Tomlin knocks locks. All right, now,
what if all three of these teams lost?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You gotta take your pick, buddy, who's the one you
feel most like? Who's seat right now? You have to
stand up? It's just too hot.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I mean, I feel like Mike Tomlin's seat. I don't
even feel like Mike Tomlin is sitting in the seat.
I honestly believe he will need a new seat if
he makes it out of this season. That's how hot
his seat is, burnt up, Like, I don't even need
this seat no more. I don't need to even sit
in that one, y'all. I did well enough to still

(55:00):
be here. Bring me another seat, Like that's how dagged
up his seat is now.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
McDermott if I could really like.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Expand McDermott is is.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
If he loses. I think it's the same situation. It
just sneaks up on you.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
It's more harrballish than it is tomlin Ish, meaning it's
like a harball you get like in your mind. It's like,
I still feel like there's a reason why he should
be the coach of this team. I don't feel like
I feel like the narrative set up for Tomlin to
take the fall for an underperformed season.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I think McDermott is in harball situation. It's going to
be like, we need to go in a different direction.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
The one time to go the one that is the
wild card though no fun intended is Matt.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Said, Well, that's the one that I'm gonna touch on
for a couple of reasons. One because you want to,
all right, touch it, because you're a Bears fan. Given
the fact that the Packers have, given the fact the
Packers have dominated your Chicago Bears great so long, you
would love nothing more than the Chicago Bears to get

(56:10):
a wild card home playoff win versus the Green Bay
Packers and send Matt Lafleur. Pack will be shocked you
didn't pick him. I think if you look at the
track record. Look, here's the hard thing is, it's hard
to not like, it's hard to make a case to
not have him come back. He's missed the playoffs once
with an eight and nine record. Although you kind of

(56:30):
look at it and after the first few years once
they have Rogers leave, it's been kind of tight. Like
they were nine and eight a couple or a few
years ago, whatever it was when they second mc north
made the playoffs, you know, two years or yeah, I
guess you'd say the last season with eleven to six,
but they lost the wild card round to Philly, which
ended up going to win a Super Bowl, So maybe

(56:51):
you don't do that quite as bad. And this year
nine to seven to one, it's almost like they've I
don't want to say underachieved, but I do wonder if
there's someone who's looking at the Packers defensively, offensively, They've
got a lot of young talent and saying like, are
we maximizing what we have? And if we've got coaches
like a John Harriball out there, liking Mike Tomlin out

(57:11):
there who we want to kick.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
The tires on the guys. Hell, if Sean McDermot gets gets, can't.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Another person like I think these all these organizations, I
guess we just lost the music.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
All these organizations are going to be ready to dragged
jadd here.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
It didn't sound like the game was still going.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
But the point is all these guys, I think there's
a certain pressure because if some of those other jobs
come open, I think some of.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
The teams that have might say, we really like to
have that guy.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I think that's the point of it all, though, honestly,
more than anything else, that's the point is that there
are some quality coaches that are available now with some
teams that seemingly.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
If they can stay healthy. There's some health issues with
Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
But if you could stay healthy with the roster that
you have, and you can add one of these coaches
that are getting let go like a Stefanski, like a hardball,
you got dang right.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I want to try to bring that guy in here
to try to get this thing done.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
I'd like to just push back and set the record
straight here. I don't root for anybody to lose their job.
I think the idea that Matt.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Lafleur is on the hot seat is preposterous.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
But but there's enough out there and enough people are
talking about I'm like, man, maybe, like maybe you have
to think.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
It's a perfect storm.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
You gotta think it's a perfect storm because they're aligned,
they're they're matched up against the Bears. Like, imagine that,
like the feeling you get losing in the wildcard round
against your divisional rival who has been the doormat to
your division for quite some time.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Yes, that to me, that's a perfect storm.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
You lose to a different team, maybe a little different,
but you're gonna lose to the Bears in.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
The first round in the wildcart round.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
That could be extra addit Angston pressure, you know, towards
towards the floor.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
I mean it won't happen.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Split split the season two man, they split, So this
could be the siding factor when it's all said and down.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
Very interesting.

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Speaker 4 (59:30):
I mean, Granger could be a door prize that you get,
you know what I mean? Right good? That's why the
game us it Now the game is over, and so
is this segment, Thank goodness. And the first part of
the next segment is It's all gone.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
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Speaker 4 (59:57):
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Speaker 3 (59:59):
Hey Jonas, heaven we told everybody about well the pizza
before the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Challenge. I know that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Hey, listen, Pizza Hut has another message for fans. Did
you know this, Jonas, don't forget to order Pizza Hut
before the first Hut is yelled.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
What do you pizza?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Did you know that? I did know that. I know
it now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Well, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Here's the move. The Big New Yorker. It's their biggest
pizza for the biggest games. You know, it's the playoffs.
It's massive. Sure, is got a whole lot of sauce
on it toppings if you want them for them, spicy
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(01:00:50):
You fold them so you can get it in your mouth.
All right, And I'm gonna tell you right now. If
you do it before they get to the Hut, all
you gotta do is uh yeah, call in. You're gonna
be good man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Love me the Big New Yorker. Do you love the
Big New Yorker? Pig new Yeah Yorker. Yeah, that's right.
And you know what, if that's your game day order,
then get it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Get it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
You know why? Because big games. This weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
You can't forget. You gotta get it before the hut.
All right, you get it before the Hut. You're gonna
get a great deal. You're gonna have a great time,
You're gonna enjoy the game. And it's just ten bucks
right now. As big as them slices are as big
as this pizza is as big as the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
He is then thoughts to order the hut before they
say hut.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yes, okay, it's game time. Order that big New Yorker early.
Don't wait, it's just ten bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
That's what we got. That so playing all we want.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
But there's always Godzilla movies. Yeah, the originals, not the
new ones. That's a rough watch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
So you're watching right now, Hey, man's a kind of
Zilla movie in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
It makes you wonder, like what technology wasn't what it
is now and you actually didn't know real from fake.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I mean, there's something to be said about appreciating how
horribly basic the graphics were on movies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yeah, like horribly great. Like I make my kids watch
those movies home for this reason. It doesn't scare them
because they're like, oh, Dad, looks so fake, And I'm
like yep, that's right, and be scared of. And so
you can watch some movies that normally you couldn't because
they're so accustomed to like seeing more realistic CGI or

(01:03:56):
you know, graphics.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
So wowd bad, it's so wow watching these graphics. How
much do you think this movie cost to me? Five thousands?
I mean the monsters or finger puppets, the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
The scenery is what like a lego a lego to Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's get these legos?

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Which Godzilla is this? Oh, it's like it's brutal man
god It's Godzilla versus Megalon, who.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Doesn't even look mean, Like Godzilla doesn't even have a
mean look to him, Like he looks like he's your buddy.
It looks like an iguana. Yeah, I guana looks scary,
like one of those ones that falls out of the
tree when it gets cold. The new Godzilla, the new
guy Megalon. The new Godzilla looks like an iguana and
kind of like a dragon.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
This one looks came out in nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Dang, I wasn't even here, None of us was the
first Godzilla took four million to make.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
That's crazy. That's way too much. I really it was
in nineteen fifty four. It's way too much. The best
a couple million will make.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I wonder does it show how much it grossed, because
you definitely went to the movies to watch Godzilla one hundred,
but the one.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
That we're watching right now had a budget of one
point two million.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
There you go one point two Did you go to
the movies? Did you run for the hills?

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I was a moviegoer back in the day. Okay, I
really believe people were able movie makers. Filmmakers were able
to get away with what they were doing because all
you have to do is have a good soundtrack, a
big ad screen, and a good food bar up front,

(01:05:51):
and you're good. You're good if you want to throw
a little bit of sugar on top of it. Have
a bowling alley in there, you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Like you have an arcade in there. I'm with you.
You know you got double Dragon you could go play,
so you could play with a friend. Decent claw machine.
This is no way, this is yes right, the nineteen
seventy three film. There's some source that estimate it costs
seven hundred and sixty thousand or one point two millions.
Somewhere in there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Yeah, it looks right what I'm looking at. That looks
about right the seventies. I mean, look, this is what
this movie looks like. One page million for a finger.
Jon Is, bring your truck, hey, you cue, bring your kids?
All right, you're going to be the girl in the
tressed do you know I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Be the monster? Patty Sweet's going being Godzilla?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yeah, Godzilla, the original, the original Godzilla. I reading this right,
the Original Godzilla in nineteen fifty four. It was sixty
two point nine million yen, which it's nine hundred thousand dollars,
so not too far off. Actually, I think I was

(01:07:01):
reading actually what it made in the box office.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
You know, it's depressing though. Even the vehicles in this
candy ass cheeseball movie are nicer than my truck.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
That's a nice car he's driving. They've got look about it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
Why you can get a new truck, you choose not loyalty, Okay, Yeah,
I just want to see his wife's vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
I mean, seas.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
See, it's always it's always the dude that hat that
that there's a Maserati park right next to the rusty,
crusty ass vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
He's driving. There's always some batons or some guccheese or
some some.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Louis right across the hallway in the real closet, versus
the broken down shoes that Jonas has at the door.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Now, I know, I live it. I live it. What
do you mean? I mean my car don't even work?
Are you projecting right now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Maybe my car don't even My car don't even works.
With your car battery needs a battery, and I don't
feel like getting it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
It's like lazy, No, it needs one and there's a
chance it might not start. But you're okay, Oh no,
it doesn't start. I've just been driving. I've been driving
her vehicle. Don't start. Go to O'Reilly? I mean, I'm
sure you're the type of guy to where your your
wife's gonna drive a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Nicer car than you do, right, Oh yeah, because I
don't care about that stuff anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
I don't could care less. I don't care. I'm just like,
are you happy? Okay? Good? There you go. Well I
know this It is another edition of In Case you
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