January 21, 2026 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington recap the John Harbaugh introduction presser for the Giants which peeks into a potentially awkward dynamic between Harbaugh and GM Joe Schoen. Plus, the guys chat it up with Dean Blandino, the country western return in The Good, the Bad, & The Ugly, and more!!
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your air pods. From what it sounded like from the
story yesterday, you know what I mean. I just don't
understand how Q knew that that's what it meant.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Key stirring.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I never I never heard of it. I'm so, I mean,
is that a cultural thing? No, I've never heard a
key string. I've never heard the word in my life
until yesterday. And what it meant.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh my god, what do you mean that's what it means?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Ever heard of keystering?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
No, I don't know. It's just not something that came
down my lane. It's a cultural thing.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's a cultural No, it's just a word because only
to read, because only white people have asses. It's a
cultural thing.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I was actually gonna say it was. It was more
I think from a movie than anything else where. I
think I heard that from. But who said it?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That's what that means? Who said it? I don't know.
But it was in regards to like someone going to
jail or something like that.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
So I was like, oh, okay, I like that word.
I think it's better than the way I said it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
What did you say?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know, I said it the more like formal way
when I was like, oh I bet he you know?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh yeah, right, so what key string?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Because I guess that I guess that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Before you the more formal way.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's what I'm saying. I like, you're way better. I'm
going to adopt your way because mine was too shoved.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
The word keeister likely comes from the German word keast,
which means box or chest.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Now you lost me on box or chess, but I
guess you're you're what is it, you're inside of there,
the colon part of there or whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
It entered English slang as a term for a burglar's
toolkit or suitcase before evolving to me in buttocks, possibly
by way of the rear trouser pocket.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Oh okay, so it is cultural, all right, because okay trousers.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I mean, the whole thing evolved from the German language, right.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying like this, I mean,
there's only white Germans, right like they can't.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Have well, technically there are only white Germans. They could
just be from a different place and claim Germany like
all of us, right, like our our people are from
different places. But we call ourselves American where the World
Cup will throw you off. There you go, those rosters,
it will throw you off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was watching watching the Italian team one time and
I'm like, wait, what Stallions really? All right? I guess,
but I do know this, you know from Keystering. No,
let's see, let's see how you do this to another
team that uh, that spent a lot of time on
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their keister looking up at the standings and wondering how
do we get back to first place? The New York
Giants and brand new head coach. And that brand new
head coach is John Harbaugh. Congratulations, he was introduced yesterday.
Media was there. Everybody's really excited about John Harbor his
arrival there with the New York Giants. Now the interesting
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dynamic that it was, so you've got John Harbord who's
the head coach, and Joe who's the GM. And John
Harbaugh will report directly to ownership and not to and
not Joe Shane. The GM and the Giants have never
done that before. But that apparently was the sticking point
and why it took a little bit longer for the
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deal to get finalized, because that's how John Harbaugh had
it in Baltimore where he would report straight to Steve
Bushatti and it wouldn't be through the GM. And so
there's this weird sort of dynamic between the two. So
we've got media both John Harbaugh and Joe Shane's side
of things when it comes to this whole pecking order
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of who goes to ownership and who's got the you
know that whole Say which one do you want to
hear from first? All right, do you guys want to
hear John Harbaugh spin on it or Joe Shane spin off?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Let's go Joe Shane first.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
All right, So here was the Giants GM Joe Shane
talk talking about that dynamic.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'm not worried about that. Everywhere I've been.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I've been a league for twenty six years, so everywhere
I've been, the head coach and general manager work together.
That's the only way it's going to work and get
on the same page, go through the process.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Again.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
We've done it everywhere I've been, so I'm not worried
about it. Like you said, that's just something on a
piece of paper, doesn't matter. We need to work together
and we're going to come to the final conquission and
it's always going to be about what's best for the
New York Giants. So I have no problem with that,
and you know, I'm looking forward to working with it.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So that's Joe Shane, the general manager of the Giants.
Here was John Harbaugh's spin on the whole. He gets
to report to ownership and not Joe Shane.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
A big change with your arrival is having the head
coach report directly to ownership.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Just curious, why was that something that was important to you?
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Well, you know, to me, it's really not that important
in the big picture and the big scheme of things.
I think it's kind of over you know, overblown, just
a little bit in terms of how it works. But
the main thing is that it works, you know, and
that we work together. That's what matters. So that's kind
of what I was used to, and it felt like
a good way to kind of start off. And I
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think mister Marra was happy about that. It seemed like
it made sense, and I'm just happy. But I don't
think it really matters. I think we're all going to
work together, and I promise you we all we all
we all report to the boss, right and the boss
is his ownership, and John Marray is the is running
football operations here and he's running it and and I'm
glad he is. And that's also all the families and
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everybody involved. That's what this that's what this lad, that's
word starts, and we respect that, right, Joe, Right, Joe.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I'm convinced. I don't know about you, guys. I'm sold.
Not a big deal whatsoever. That's why it took so
long to get the deal done. That's why it was
a sticking point. But no, him getting to report to
ownership not a big deal whatsoever. All Right, have fun
with that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
So if you're John Harbaugh, it's it's what you've always
been accustomed to, which is different from how the giants.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Have done it.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
And and so look, is there a reason why he
probably had it that way? Why the Baltimore Ravens did
it that way? Yeah, I've I've kind of got my
assumption as to why that is. And it's usually when
let's just say we're all going into a business deal together,
one of the first things you always talk about in
a business deal is what's called an exit strategy, and
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you're really talking about the end whether things go good,
things go bad, you're talking about how it's going to
work out, So you don't really allow emotions to get
involved because you've already got the strategy of what you
talked about on the way in, and that's in essence
kind of what this is, because it's not an issue
ever when things are going well, when your team's winning.
You know, all the players that you're drafting or that
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you're signing as free agents, they all look great, and
the players that you coach develop blah blah blah, they
all look great.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Everyone's happy.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
No one ever is going to the owners or the
owners aren't coming to them, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Trying to figure out what's wrong. It's what you're losing.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It's when you know the crap, it's the fan or
things aren't going well, and that's when you have these
sorts of complications. And the structure of this is really
set up so it's not going to be one voice
going to ownership that could be potentially hurting what the
co just trying to do or trying to communicate. And
that's why the structure is set up the way it is,
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so the owners will have to then sit back and go,
all right, is it John or is it Joe, Like
who's to blame for all this? And I also think
if Joe Shane was probably in better footing with the Giants,
this wouldn't have happened. They would have said that any
head coaching candidate. No, that's not how we've done it.
You know, we feel really good about Joe, and this
is how we're going to do it. Like, if you
(11:27):
know you have an issue with it, go find someone else.
But Joe Shane is is our guy. Now he's their guy.
I think they really like Joe, but I also think
there's a line drawn where they're saying, yeah, you know,
the roster's in a good spot, but Joe's made some
mistakes too, and we don't think we want to give
him all the control. So we want to make sure
we give John Harball the opportunity to be able to
speak directly to us, unabated by anyone else's potential messaging.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's how I would kind of view.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
This, because that's just that was kind of my experience
going for team to team to team at seeing different
structures and now you see some of the worst organizations
where they've got guys on different pages, and it feels
like the front office is working against the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That's it's a terrible marriage.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Their GM stank, he stinks, and he hasn't been good.
He's got a losing he's got a losing record as
a GM, and his tenure there, his first year was
his best year. I believe it's been bad ever since.
And his first year was bad. And he's got what
(12:31):
one playoff appearance. It's he's only been a part of
one coaching higher and one coaching fire. But if I'm
a coach and I have the type of resume that
John Harball has and has been a part of an
organization that is very comparable to the New York Giants franchise,
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I would not want it to be any other way
other than getting a new GM. And Harbor, I'm not
gonna put words in his mouth, probably wanted a new GM.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Why would I want this GM?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You stink, You've not been good and you've not done
anything that has Jade, Can I ask this sure?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Can you really throw a win loss recket on a GM?
I mean there, I mean you could have the most
stacked roster and you could have a coach is extremely
inept and has nothing to do with with what you've
done or what you've built her given.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Up does The only way I say in that case
you give a flyer to the GM is if the
ownership hired the coach. But if the GM was a
part of hiring the coach and they didn't come in together,
then well I'm putting that on the GM. They kind
of did come in together day ball In and Shane. Yeah,
(13:50):
well Shane hired him and fire though, right, And that
that's how the reports say it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You have all the inside info you I mean, you
could give me a different account of.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It to be ultimately the Giants ownership that makes those
decisions in front office. I mean, he's a part of it,
but like it if he was like, hey, you should
fire him, it's like they'd be like, Okay, we're going
to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We'll come back to you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
My understanding of GMS if the GM is there and
he's not coming in with the coach, and generally even
if he comes in with the coach, more often than not,
you're hiring the GM before you hired a coach.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's my That's that's just my knowledge of it. I
mean not you know, I'm not an all knowing dude.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I don't know if that's if that's all the
way correct, but that's just.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
How I know it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
My point is he's not been a successful He's not
been a successful GM period, Like Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
That's what I'm trying to ask though, is what makes
a successful GM to you? Is it just a win
loss reck and the success of it, because that's what
you're there for. Well, right, But we would say that
if you looked at the Giants roster like they've got
a good defense, I've got good talent, right, they made
moves to be able to develop a defensive front that's
actually really good on at least you know, i'd say
I want four games this year. Well again, so that's
(15:02):
what I'm saying, is you you based it off win
loss record?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Jonas? What do you base it off of a little
of both.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think it's the roster construct and I think it's
also the production on the field. And you know, some
of that is outside of his control. If he drafts
a player and the player can't stay on the field,
like Cam scattab who is a good draft pick, Jackson
Dard appears to be a good draft pick, couldn't stay
on the field. Like both had injury issues. Both had
injury concerns. Same thing with Daniel Jones, he had he
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had bright spots, but he couldn't stay on the field.
Where Joe Shane I think gets a lot of the
criticism for him, rightfully, so is the Saquon Barkley stuff
and how that played out publicly, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
What that doesn't help or that doesn't help, But but.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
That's so I think that's what I think he ultimately
was a control of. And ultimately, like if you want
to point to like one thing, you'd say, Okay, you know,
Daniel Jones never could really maximize what he did kind
of his first year and and the hell things the
health thing, but like even even just his play, like
and then he goes somewhere else has an incredible half
the season for Indy. It's like, okay, like maybe there
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was something else going on there you guys couldn't figure
out or Sakuon Barkley, Like the one thing the ownershpacity
to do is not let him go to a division rival.
He goes to a division rival, has a career year
and wins a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like those are.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Things that I think you've told Joe Shane accountable for like,
that's what he's in charge of ultimately, And those are
the things that I think probably hurt them the most.
You know, I think maybe if there's some other players
that they've drafted, you feel like, hey, they haven't really
you know, been the guy that the team was hoping for.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Those are things that I think fall on his play.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Like, I just I don't know how, you know, you
can always expect the general manager who's not making any
schematic decisions, any decisions on who's start and who's sitting.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I mean, you're making all those things are tough to
put on us. You're making the decision of who's making
those decisions. And I and I ultimately feel like the
examples that you gave of Daniel Jones and of Saquon
Barkley lynd to the argument that I'm making is that
he was the decision maker. The owner sat there on
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hard knocks on the camera and said to this man,
I'd have a hard time sleeping you let this man go.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, just said.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That's what I'm telling you. The argument that I'm making
is based off of what y'all just said. I wasn't
even using Saquon and Daniel Jones. Y'all brought that up.
And all I'm saying is is that clearly in that
segment of that show, it showed that Shane was making
the decisions. So they stink. And the bottom line is
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they haven't won. That they have not won since he's
been there. And the first thing that they should have
done is blown out when Dave Ball got fired. The
first thing they should have done is fired the GM
and start over with the GM. It's like, I'm thinking
about the whole Barry thing and or McDermott and is
it who's the GM in Buffalo Bean?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Bean.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm looking at the reports on Bean and and how
that all like in the media is playing. How much
truth is there too, all of the details that's being reported.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But if you're telling me Bean was in like cohoots
with with the owner and he and Goola got irritated
or bothered by the roster and and and you know,
based upon McDermott having you know, criticisms of the roster
and and they're being holes and that's why he ends
(18:32):
up losing his job.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's on you, Bean, but it is that's on you
as the GM. It is commonplace though that a GM
does get a second hire as coach, like Ryan Poles
hired Matt Everflus that didn't go well, and then he
landed Ben Johnson and then we see where that goes. Yeah,
I and I and also you know, in defense of
you know, everybody there with the Giants, Malik Neighbors another guy, like,
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I mean, I don't know how you can control that
because he can't stay on the field so well.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And think about it, like he's he's selecting some really
good players on their draft, Like he's got Kevon Tippeau,
he's got Evan Neial Neighbors who looks like he's gonna
be a star when he is healthy. Uh, Deontay Banks
is a really good player, Like there are some there
is good there, Like it hasn't come with the wins
that I think again, you know, sitting there and saying
(19:26):
like the results when the coaches are the ones that
are ultimately there.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It makes it really tough.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm not saying that he's not completely you know, involved
in some of that stuff, and I'm not saying that
he should even you know, not it should.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Have been a clean board for John Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I'm just saying, like, I don't know that I use
a win loss record is like the reason why I
would be upset with Joe Shane, Like I think you
look at he signed Darius Slayton, for example, to a
three year, thirty six million dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Deal, kind of hefty.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I mean, Slatin's a good player, but like not maybe
up to that obviously. You know, we talked about sa Quon,
we talked about Daniel Jones. You know, There's been probably
some others too when you look at it that you're
critical of.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I just I want to see what it looks like
with John Harball and how they continue to build, because
I do think Horrorball looked at this team and said
there's some assets, there's some pieces there because he hadn't.
I mean, there's plenty of other places he maybe could
have went or could have gone to, And clearly he
wants to be on the Giants because of some of
what they have there. It's not like he was like, no, no,
I'd actually rather go to the Raiders. You know, I'd
(20:27):
rather go go Coachdad roster up.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
They have not won that's the bottom line. And if
I'm if I'm Harball and I'm coming into the situation,
the common denominator is the GM, and he's still there.
I'm his second higher. Great, it might go well, great,
but I don't want it being based off of him.
I want to talk to the ownership and I want
(20:51):
to I want it to be made very clear that
whatever decisions are being made that I'm I'm in you know, agree,
we're good, that I'm not in agreeance with it's on file.
I want I want it on record that I wasn't
okay with this. Shouldn't it happen? But it did, and
that impacted the way that my performance takes place. That's
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how I would be looking at it, and and it
sounds as though that's how Harball is looking at it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And if I can't get a new if I can't
get the.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
GM in here that I want to have, then this
probably is the next best thing to be able to
have in my contract, is that I don't have to
answer to the GM.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I answered to the owner.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Ain't that right, Joe?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, he just wants to get it done.
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and only Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL and college football
rules analyst. You can get him on x at Dean
Blandino and he is now most recently the star of TMZ. Dean,
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Good morning, Heid. I don't can you explain the.
Speaker 11 (24:02):
Last part.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Pm Z again? What happened? I didn't do anything this time.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I mean listen, he was, you know, given to give
a nice interview on TMZ.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
And you know, oh plan.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, not a gotcha moment at the airport, nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I didn't notice.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
During the game this weekend, Tom was like basically saying
how you weren't on the broadcast enough.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You know, he was basically calling for you.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Said you kind of get the fact that he missed
talking to me, that he listened.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I heard that, and I said that millions of people
talk to you.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I don't like it when we don't talk to you.
That was Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Here's the weird thing is, yeah, that was like Tom
Brady said that millions of people heard it. And my
first thought was, like, I've said that to you on
a broadcast before, and at no point ever were you like, yeah, Brady,
like I wish I could talk to you more. You know,
you said that the tom You know, people really excited
about it. You never said that to me ever. I
just I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I mean, I don't know. I just maybe it's the
super Bowl winning thing. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
He would know more than anyone else, right, I mean
I get that, get that. I don't feel Here's all
I'll say this. I don't feel like eating dinner with
him would be as good. You know, I think you
and I could sit down a nice Italian meal. I'm
not sure like he would, he'd be having like gluten free.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Cr You're I definitely would the Italian meal with you.
I choose you over time for that, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And we can have some wine and drink. You know,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'm not He's gonna drink. He's gonna with some avocado
ice creamch It's a little different.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I hope we understand.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
This is a fine, But this is a fine.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Wash.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Wipe your nose off, bro, That's wow, that's all.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Just take the fine you're taking.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
You're going to take. That's a fine. Let's get to it.
Let's get down to business. Let's get down to it, Dane,
Let's get the business. Come on, a d all right, so.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Or was it an I in T.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
It was an iron t. Look the catch rule, and
this has gone on forever. There's no perfect rule. There's
always going to be controversy. And I think with with
that play, when when the receiver like Cooks is falling
to the ground, whether it's diving, stumbling, whatever it is,
to make the catch they got got, he's got to
hold onto it when he hits the ground. Like when
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you finish hitting the ground, like when you fall, eventually
your body stops. The momentum stops, and so when his
entire body's on the ground, he's got to hold on
to it. To me, the ball came loose. It was
probably coming loose as they went to the ground and
McMillan ended up with it, and I thought it was
I thought interception. And in that situation, when it's that
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close and the ball comes out immediately, you go with
whoever ends up with it. I did think, and I
thought Sean McDermott had a great point. I kind of
thought it in the moment. I was like, why not
just slow everything down, stop the game, do a full review,
bring the referee over, go through the whole process. So
you don't leave any doubt because I think a lot
of people aren't one hundred percent sure as to what
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goes on on a play like that. Okay, there's a
business interception, who's looking at it, who makes the decision
not to bring the referee over. I think that if
they had done that, at least it might have been
less controversial. It might have been some you know, a
little bit less doubt as to whether they actually gave
it a real close thorough examination. But I thought it
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was the right call ultimately, I.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Mean, and what there were no athletics steps made right,
Like I know there was another another play that happened
or whatever where they were using it as a comparison
in terms of Adams, the Davante Adams one, Well why
is it this?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Why is this one not? And why is this one?
And so?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But Davante had taken steps like he had established steps.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
He was upright, yeah, he was, he was. He caught
the ball up right. Then he then he completed to
catch them with tackles and then so at that point,
and that's what I've spent time a lot of people
just explaining there's a difference between trying to catch the
football and having possession being a runner, and then your
knee touches, right, if you're trying to catch it to
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knee doesn't matter. If you're falling to the ground, you
got to hold on to it all the way. If
you're already a runner with possession, then as soon as
your knee hits you're down by contact.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think that was the dis Yeah, right, that's the differentiation.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
So so I kind of felt like, ultimately Dean that
the call in the field was going to probably rule that,
like what like they weren't going to overturn it one
way or another.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Is that fair to.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Say, because because when I saw it in real time,
I thought it looked like he had more possession of
it than the defender even did. But but even if
it was to be simultaneous possession, and then I guess
I'm saying I could have saw both ways. Like I
wasn't one of those that like went away saying, oh,
it had to be this, Like I was more. I
was more frustrated with the inconsistency of the officiating of
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DPI in that game. Like that's where I kind of
felt like, you could there's a few calls that weren't
made that could have been made and just and then
they were made.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know, like how do you view overall.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Because these are assocally the best officiating crews, And it
feels like even even that, like in the in game,
there's inconsistencies and how they were calling it.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yeah, you know, look and I agree with you that
if they had called that Cooks play at catching down
then then it probably would have stood. They would have
said it was too close to change. I do think
in that game and I feel like, and again we
talked about this, right the playoffs, you don't you don't
officiate them differently than the regular season. But I do
feel like I don't know if if this was actually
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a directive from the league, but I do feel like
there is more of a kind of let them play
mentality right now. And even in that game, there weren't
you know, pile think the Broncos got called for a
penalty and and so you're letting a lot go. And
then late in the game, you know, you get a
couple of DPI play. I thought the one the one
at the end, I think it was the end of
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regulation where the Bills were upset, they could have gotten
a call. I thought that wasn't you know, that really
wasn't ti. I didn't like the first one in overtime
that the Bills got called for. I think they had
rough in the passer on the play anyway, so it
would have been a first down. And then the last
one I thought was was past in appearance. But there
is a lot of downfield contact that's going on, that's
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getting you know, that's let go, and it is that
consistency that everybody's looking for that I'm just not quite
sure it was there in that game.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, What
is the thought behind not giving a coach a challenge
in overtime?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Yeah, it's a good that's a good question because the
theory always for challenges when we went back was in
the last two minutes because we had this and this
was funny. And in ninety nine when the system came
back and the coaches had challenges, they had these buzzers,
they had these pagers, and they would page the officials
when they wanted to challenge something, and in the last
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two minutes, like I remember, Steve Mariucci was like famous
for this. The officials would get a page in a
very opportune time for whether it was the Lions or
the Niners or whoever he was coaching at the time.
You know, whenever they needed like a time out, they
would get a page and the referee would go over
and he'd be like, I didn't hit it. It wasn't me.
And then and it's like, okay, I'm not going to
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call you a liar, so you'd get you'd get basically
a free timeout. So we went with the red flag
to not be able to manipulate the clock. And it
wasn't just moved and there was other coaches that did this,
but he would He was just really funny about it,
and so it wasn't the last you mention is like
you can't challenge something to manipulate the manipulate the clock
and then be like, oh, I didn't know that was reviewable.
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But then we just we just said overtime. What if
the team is have a challenges and you know you
this is extra football, let's do it all upstairs. But
but there is the thought, okay, give them an once
overtime starts, regardless of how many challenges you have left,
you would get one if you were out. And I
think that that certainly, Butalo would have used it in
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that situation, So I think it's something worth talking about.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Dean. Well there, oh, sorry, no worries.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Well, will there ever be a conversation at the you
know meetings this year or in the media about how
egregious the holds are getting? It's it's I know, I
ask you every time you come on, but it just
seems like it has to be mentioned that these defensive ends,
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you know, even even other guys linebackers.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
The holds that these these.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Offensive linemen are are showing on camera and some of
the biggest and these dbs and these dbs too, And
so you see how you jumping in on my question
Dean holding in general? Yes, but I'm I'm I'm attacking
the offensive side of the ball right now, and I'm
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and I'm going to stay true to that focus and
true to that purpose. Will it be addressed? Will will
the public be made aware of the fact that they are,
in fact, okay with allowing these holds the way that
they are, because it's not just holding anymore. It's like
literally beer hugging. You got your hands inside of their
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jerseys that you're not letting go. They're trying to pull
away there. It's it's really really bad. It's really bad.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, I mean, I I agree with you, I don't think.
I think the the unintended consequence of that, which I
think a lot of people in around the league would
see as a positive, is that it just gives the
quarterback more time, especially in the past game. It gives
the quarterback more time to throw the ball. It keeps
them protected in the gap between the defense. The athleticism
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on the defensive line and the offensive line just seems
it's never been greater. So I'm not saying that they're
out there going let them get away with murder, but
it's happening. And I think the league, you know, and
they look at major fact. Look, holding is always either
one or two in terms of number of calls made
every year. It's like holding in false starts are either
one or two every year. And so they're going to
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look at that, and it just it's a matter of
whether people, whether it's at the League office and the
officiating department, are on the competition committee. And the competition committee
is in shambles right now because you're losing Mike Tomlin,
you're losing Sean McDermott. You're you know, so it's going
to be interesting to see who these new people are
on the committee if they see it as a problem
and want to take it up as a point of emphasis.
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I don't know right now where they're at with that.
You know, I'll find out, but I'm not sure if
there's an appetite right now to do a review of
holding Diana.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I can't recall what Gamma was this weekend, but do
we have a kickoff from the forty.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
As oppose to that was a couple of weeks ago?
That was a couple that was that was Rams Panthers
where I don't know, it's a I don't know what's
going on there, like, It's just the kickoff is never
in the history of the NFL has never been from
the forty. I know, you could have penalties to carry outright,
that's rare. So I don't know. I don't know what
happened there, like, But but.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
The reason why I ask is because it draws there.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
It's like I'm going to put the ball to forty
and see if anybody noticed, Like Tom, don't what are
you doing? Like, I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Don't know, but it draws the question of how involved
is New York because you know, there's not that many
games going well, there's not that many games going on,
so they have to be watching it. And even in
New York, no one who's assigned to that game to
watch it is going.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
There's like there's it's a playoff game. There should be
there's there's probably too many people watching it and and yeah,
I don't I guess you just get into cruise control
and you're what, and you're just assuming that we're going
to put the ball at the right spot to kick it.
I don't know. Yeah, it's that one.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I mean like, like, could you explain for our listeners
to like just the crew that you have when you
guys are doing games like you have like multiple people
watching to look for stuff like in that whole little
back glass bowl.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That you live in.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Basically when you're when when you guys were there and
when Mike's there, whenever you're doing games.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Like it's it's a real operation. I would assume the
NFL is even bigger.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Right last, it's not Class Bowl. It's not like Bubble Boy,
but it's it's a woomb you know.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You used to be bubble boy.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
I know, I know it was bubble boy and now
your Brady boy exactly time.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And Dan, you got to pay ten dollars fines man,
ten dollars fines you. You you be washed on on
Tom Brady ten dollars. Fine player, Okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
So yeah, there's a team of people. There's spathers, just
like in the broadcast Moove. You know, when you're doing
a game, when the play by play, the analysts, you
have spotters, you have people that are looking for that stuff.
And again, I just think people get into like cruise control,
they get on autopilot and don't pick up didn't pick
up the fact that we're kicking from the wrong yard line.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I mean, it seems like.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A problem, uh Dean, the rules analyst criticism like, okay, a.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Lot of craziness.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I don't talk, all right. I don't understand how whether
it's you or Terry McCauley or anybody, why are you
guys the ones getting the heat when it's it feels
like it killed the messenger type situation we.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Have going on saying about about and I want people
to understand what our role is. Like my role ninety
eight percent of what I do as a rules analyst
is not on camera, it's not on the broadcast. And
this role was created by Dave Hill at Fox Sports.
Mike Pereira, you know all the studies that they did
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at the networks where people fans enjoy the game more
when they understand the rules. And if you ever pick
up an NFL rule book, it's fringing, three hundred pages long.
It's insane how complicated the rules can get. So they said, Okay,
rather than having Toy Aikman or or John Matt, whoever
it is, try and interpret this, this fringing encyclopedia, why
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not get somebody that knows the rules that we can
use as a resource. And that's where it was came
out of. And now everybody's doing it.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
And so when I'm I'm sitting there and like I said,
nineteen percent of the time, I'm just feeding Burkhart and
Brady information when there's a call, who the call is on,
what they're what they're looking at. And then one or
two times a game, I come on, and I'll even
say if it's obvious, why am I going to come on?
I'll just tell the producer, Hey, this is obvious. You
don't need me because I can come on and go
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look everybody, like you have eyes at home. The ball
hit the ground like that's that's that's useless. So I
don't ever want to do that for me. It's like, okay,
can I come on and explain something. A couple of
weeks ago, flag pickup.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
For an eligible downfield? A lot of people didn't know
the rule. Okay, if you engage within a yard, you
can be more than a yard downfield when the past
is thrown. So I think that's where and we just
get a lot of crap, which is fine because sometimes, oh,
you just agree with the officials every time, like no,
like I'm not, I don't. I'm going to give my
own opinion, and I agree with the officials more often
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than not because they're right more often than not. But
it's just that's the way it goes. And so people
are upset. And look what I'm saying is like there's
I'm probably I'm the goat to rules analysts and not
everybody's guy isn't as good as Glendino.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
A true? Actually that's not that's true.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's right, Dean. Well, and you'll be you'll be there
in Seattle this weekend.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Correct, Yeah, we'll be up in Seattle looking forward.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
There he is the great Team Blandino with us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports. It's High and Meal
with Dan College foot Rules Analyst. Get him on x
at Dean.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
We'll have Tom just sit there and watch a seat.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You know, of course we will, all right, So we'll
do it again next week. There he is the great
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There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Well all right, and for that we turn it over.
We are executive producer. You see Patty speaks.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
Oh jolly good Heaven's gone. I want to throw you
guys off. Come on, give it to us. Well, you
know what, I gotta give what the people want. Brady,
I'm sorry, but he's trying to play the good.
Speaker 12 (42:28):
Will Sheriffs. Let's round of the sheriff. Are you're the
good Obviously? The college football Playoff Championship was played and
Indiana made history, and Kirk Signetti also was making history
being the coach.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
And I mean, I think that's everything good about the
game of football. You got a guy, dope guy, and
Signetti as a coach. Players believe in me, and you
got a bunch of guys. Aren't five stars, aren't four stars,
Just guys that came together and had a common goal
and teamwork paid off. So that's my good for the week,
(43:09):
Indiana football. I you who who who?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Who's yours?
Speaker 12 (43:15):
Well, I know who's a who gets the but but
but bad Sheriff Queen, you're up?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh that was bad? That was bad?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, I know that was bad. It's bad to the boom,
bad to the bone. Sheriff Quinn with us. I mean,
maybe he didn't even want to hear what he was doing.
Huh huh what you know what? Why don't we give
Sheriff Queen some extra time. Sheriff Knox, you get the ugly.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The San Francisco forty nine Ers and Seattle Seahawks played
a playoff game on Saturday night, and uh, I said
it via text to you, guys, Man Fox really got
a bag of bleeps with that. One of all the
games they got this weekend, they got the Niners and
the Sea that was brutal. I look at San Francisco
and I go, they were limping into this game, but
(44:07):
I expected it to be somewhat close. And when you
open up with a kickoff return for a touchdown and
Eddie Pinero thinks he's out in the World Cup trying
to trip up Shaheed as he's running down the sideline,
that's just not great for anybody involved. So my ugly
for the week was the performance of the San Francisco
forty nine Ers in their game at Seattle over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Dang, I mean they were limping into it too.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
But all right, all right, well, Sheriff Quinn, you get
the band, sir.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Probably me having to use some dude wipes there between
the last two segments.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
Oh wow, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
You have just too much darn coffee this morning, man,
running right through me.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think our entire family.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Actually the bad should be the the Quinn household is
just falling apart. We were able to get through the holidays,
I think, like healthy, but now it's hit us and
it's it's taking us.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Down one by one.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
It's just like watching like each each Quinn family member
just get taken down their puking. They're just puking out
of their ass through the whole thing. It's it's a
whole situation that's.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Household right now. That's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
That might have been tm I for some folks out there,
but I know there's others dealing with it. So again,
go find you some dude, wifes. I'm telling you, it's
like a breath bend for your ass.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Oh God, the visual on that was wild.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Oh okay, all I can hear in my head your mouth.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
The sad thing is a little a little a little
one year old kid is he's dealing with it the
worst right now. So it's just it's sad seeing little babies.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
When they're sick. Man, that's the toughest to deal with.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
On the bright side, though, we did get Country western
SWEEKA back in the building.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I know by popular demand?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Did you can't kick it?
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Can you try a different one? Like Jonahs has a
bunch of different impressions he does. Can you do anything
other than the country? The British one for the first second?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
More time?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Oh, good heavens, Brady Quinn, good heavens.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Is it Elmo?
Speaker 10 (46:05):
You can do that?
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Scared me?
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Or was it SpongeBob? I'm not doing this on?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Come on, Patty.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
SpongeBob was like, oh god, you.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Do sound like SpongeBob.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
To break with SpongeBob that was That's a really limited SpongeBob.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Come on, Patrick, there's an instrument.
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for the baby, you know, for you know, like barbecue,
Get a wet wipe. But when you say white wet, yeah,
sounds a little different.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Those little lemon scented wet white packets you would get
it at a restaurant in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, a little yeah, a little dip.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
See, this is how I know Jonahs doesn't use dude
wipes because they've got mint scented. They've got shade butter
as well. They've got unscented if you're into that, So.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, that's what mint for you, booty, booty mint. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We should come out with like we do wipe collaborations
and call call it booty mints.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So I'm sad, man, booty, make it better. Not the
direction I thought you were going there. I feel like
we should put it in quotes. We should put it
in quotes and call it booty mints. Make it better.
There you go, right.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
There, man, I was, I was on board until that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh man, we showed like the little little content have
have Q throwing a spiral up the booty mint.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I was thinking, make sure that you guys.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Are yeah, Bferroni cowboy with his Bferroni ring around his
mouth and then he starts wiping his mouth. Jonas sitting
there with his pants around his ankles like I need
a booty mint, like, and then he catches one from
Q and I'm sitting there laughing with it with the
camera recording it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know, so I think that'd be a great collaboration.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That just came right from the dome, like y'all welcome
my bletched yo three four three oh four, or if
bletched job man, except that you're blessed with some brilliance,
blessed up man. You've been blessed booty mins by two
pros and a cup of Joey Cooper.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
If you had a if you had a few dude wifes,
you might be able to get those air pods back
from that bub number.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And you would want to use a booty mint on
your air pods. From what it sounded like from the
story yesterday, you know what I mean. I just don't
understand how Q knew that that's what it meant.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Key stirring.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I never I never heard of it. I'm so, I mean,
is that a cultural thing? No, I've never heard a
key string. I've never heard the word in my life
until yesterday. And what it meant.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh my god, what do you mean that's what it means?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Ever heard of keystering?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
No, I don't know. It's just not something that came
down my lane. It's a cultural thing.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's a cultural No, it's just a word because only
to read, because only white people have asses. It's a
cultural thing.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I was actually gonna say it was. It was more
I think from a movie than anything else where. I
think I heard that from. But who said it?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That's what that means? Who said it? I don't know.
But it was in regards to like someone going to
jail or something like that.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
So I was like, oh, okay, I like that word.
I think it's better than the way I said it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
What did you say?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know, I said it the more like formal way
when I was like, oh I bet he you know?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh yeah, right, so what key string?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Because I guess that I guess that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Before you the more formal way.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's what I'm saying. I like, you're way better. I'm
going to adopt your way because mine was too shoved.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
The word keeister likely comes from the German word keast,
which means box or chest.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Now you lost me on box or chess, but I
guess you're you're what is it, you're inside of there,
the colon part of there or whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
It entered English slang as a term for a burglar's
toolkit or suitcase before evolving to me in buttocks, possibly
by way of the rear trouser pocket.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Oh okay, so it is cultural, all right, because okay trousers.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I mean, the whole thing evolved from the German language, right.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying like this, I mean,
there's only white Germans, right like they can't.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Have well, technically there are only white Germans. They could
just be from a different place and claim Germany like
all of us, right, like our our people are from
different places. But we call ourselves American where the World
Cup will throw you off. There you go, those rosters,
it will throw you off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was watching watching the Italian team one time and
I'm like, wait, what Stallions really? All right? I guess,
but I do know this, you know from Keystering. No,
let's see, let's see how you do this to another
team that uh, that spent a lot of time on
(06:32):
their keister looking up at the standings and wondering how
do we get back to first place? The New York
Giants and brand new head coach. And that brand new
head coach is John Harbaugh. Congratulations, he was introduced yesterday.
Media was there. Everybody's really excited about John Harbor his
arrival there with the New York Giants. Now the interesting
(06:54):
dynamic that it was, so you've got John Harbord who's
the head coach, and Joe who's the GM. And John
Harbaugh will report directly to ownership and not to and
not Joe Shane. The GM and the Giants have never
done that before. But that apparently was the sticking point
and why it took a little bit longer for the
(07:14):
deal to get finalized, because that's how John Harbaugh had
it in Baltimore where he would report straight to Steve
Bushatti and it wouldn't be through the GM. And so
there's this weird sort of dynamic between the two. So
we've got media both John Harbaugh and Joe Shane's side
of things when it comes to this whole pecking order
(07:36):
of who goes to ownership and who's got the you
know that whole Say which one do you want to
hear from first? All right, do you guys want to
hear John Harbaugh spin on it or Joe Shane spin off?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Let's go Joe Shane first.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
All right, So here was the Giants GM Joe Shane
talk talking about that dynamic.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'm not worried about that. Everywhere I've been.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I've been a league for twenty six years, so everywhere
I've been, the head coach and general manager work together.
That's the only way it's going to work and get
on the same page, go through the process.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Again.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
We've done it everywhere I've been, so I'm not worried
about it. Like you said, that's just something on a
piece of paper, doesn't matter. We need to work together
and we're going to come to the final conquission and
it's always going to be about what's best for the
New York Giants. So I have no problem with that,
and you know, I'm looking forward to working with it.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So that's Joe Shane, the general manager of the Giants.
Here was John Harbaugh's spin on the whole. He gets
to report to ownership and not Joe Shane.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
A big change with your arrival is having the head
coach report directly to ownership.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Just curious, why was that something that was important to you?
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Well, you know, to me, it's really not that important
in the big picture and the big scheme of things.
I think it's kind of over you know, overblown, just
a little bit in terms of how it works. But
the main thing is that it works, you know, and
that we work together. That's what matters. So that's kind
of what I was used to, and it felt like
a good way to kind of start off. And I
(08:53):
think mister Marra was happy about that. It seemed like
it made sense, and I'm just happy. But I don't
think it really matters. I think we're all going to
work together, and I promise you we all we all
we all report to the boss, right and the boss
is his ownership, and John Marray is the is running
football operations here and he's running it and and I'm
glad he is. And that's also all the families and
(09:14):
everybody involved. That's what this that's what this lad, that's
word starts, and we respect that, right, Joe, Right, Joe.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I'm convinced. I don't know about you, guys. I'm sold.
Not a big deal whatsoever. That's why it took so
long to get the deal done. That's why it was
a sticking point. But no, him getting to report to
ownership not a big deal whatsoever. All Right, have fun
with that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
So if you're John Harbaugh, it's it's what you've always
been accustomed to, which is different from how the giants.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Have done it.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
And and so look, is there a reason why he
probably had it that way? Why the Baltimore Ravens did
it that way? Yeah, I've I've kind of got my
assumption as to why that is. And it's usually when
let's just say we're all going into a business deal together,
one of the first things you always talk about in
a business deal is what's called an exit strategy, and
(10:07):
you're really talking about the end whether things go good,
things go bad, you're talking about how it's going to
work out, So you don't really allow emotions to get
involved because you've already got the strategy of what you
talked about on the way in, and that's in essence
kind of what this is, because it's not an issue
ever when things are going well, when your team's winning.
You know, all the players that you're drafting or that
(10:29):
you're signing as free agents, they all look great, and
the players that you coach develop blah blah blah, they
all look great.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Everyone's happy.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
No one ever is going to the owners or the
owners aren't coming to them, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Trying to figure out what's wrong. It's what you're losing.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It's when you know the crap, it's the fan or
things aren't going well, and that's when you have these
sorts of complications. And the structure of this is really
set up so it's not going to be one voice
going to ownership that could be potentially hurting what the
co just trying to do or trying to communicate. And
that's why the structure is set up the way it is,
(11:04):
so the owners will have to then sit back and go,
all right, is it John or is it Joe, Like
who's to blame for all this? And I also think
if Joe Shane was probably in better footing with the Giants,
this wouldn't have happened. They would have said that any
head coaching candidate. No, that's not how we've done it.
You know, we feel really good about Joe, and this
is how we're going to do it. Like, if you
(11:27):
know you have an issue with it, go find someone else.
But Joe Shane is is our guy. Now he's their guy.
I think they really like Joe, but I also think
there's a line drawn where they're saying, yeah, you know,
the roster's in a good spot, but Joe's made some
mistakes too, and we don't think we want to give
him all the control. So we want to make sure
we give John Harball the opportunity to be able to
speak directly to us, unabated by anyone else's potential messaging.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's how I would kind of view.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
This, because that's just that was kind of my experience
going for team to team to team at seeing different
structures and now you see some of the worst organizations
where they've got guys on different pages, and it feels
like the front office is working against the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That's it's a terrible marriage.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Their GM stank, he stinks, and he hasn't been good.
He's got a losing he's got a losing record as
a GM, and his tenure there, his first year was
his best year. I believe it's been bad ever since.
And his first year was bad. And he's got what
(12:31):
one playoff appearance. It's he's only been a part of
one coaching higher and one coaching fire. But if I'm
a coach and I have the type of resume that
John Harball has and has been a part of an
organization that is very comparable to the New York Giants franchise,
(12:52):
I would not want it to be any other way
other than getting a new GM. And Harbor, I'm not
gonna put words in his mouth, probably wanted a new GM.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Why would I want this GM?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You stink, You've not been good and you've not done
anything that has Jade, Can I ask this sure?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Can you really throw a win loss recket on a GM?
I mean there, I mean you could have the most
stacked roster and you could have a coach is extremely
inept and has nothing to do with with what you've
done or what you've built her given.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Up does The only way I say in that case
you give a flyer to the GM is if the
ownership hired the coach. But if the GM was a
part of hiring the coach and they didn't come in together,
then well I'm putting that on the GM. They kind
of did come in together day ball In and Shane. Yeah,
(13:50):
well Shane hired him and fire though, right, And that
that's how the reports say it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You have all the inside info you I mean, you
could give me a different account of.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It to be ultimately the Giants ownership that makes those
decisions in front office. I mean, he's a part of it,
but like it if he was like, hey, you should
fire him, it's like they'd be like, Okay, we're going
to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We'll come back to you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
My understanding of GMS if the GM is there and
he's not coming in with the coach, and generally even
if he comes in with the coach, more often than not,
you're hiring the GM before you hired a coach.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's my That's that's just my knowledge of it. I
mean not you know, I'm not an all knowing dude.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I don't know if that's if that's all the
way correct, but that's just.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
How I know it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
My point is he's not been a successful He's not
been a successful GM period, Like Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
That's what I'm trying to ask though, is what makes
a successful GM to you? Is it just a win
loss reck and the success of it, because that's what
you're there for. Well, right, But we would say that
if you looked at the Giants roster like they've got
a good defense, I've got good talent, right, they made
moves to be able to develop a defensive front that's
actually really good on at least you know, i'd say
I want four games this year. Well again, so that's
(15:02):
what I'm saying, is you you based it off win
loss record?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Jonas? What do you base it off of a little
of both.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think it's the roster construct and I think it's
also the production on the field. And you know, some
of that is outside of his control. If he drafts
a player and the player can't stay on the field,
like Cam scattab who is a good draft pick, Jackson
Dard appears to be a good draft pick, couldn't stay
on the field. Like both had injury issues. Both had
injury concerns. Same thing with Daniel Jones, he had he
(15:29):
had bright spots, but he couldn't stay on the field.
Where Joe Shane I think gets a lot of the
criticism for him, rightfully, so is the Saquon Barkley stuff
and how that played out publicly, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
What that doesn't help or that doesn't help, But but.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
That's so I think that's what I think he ultimately
was a control of. And ultimately, like if you want
to point to like one thing, you'd say, Okay, you know,
Daniel Jones never could really maximize what he did kind
of his first year and and the hell things the
health thing, but like even even just his play, like
and then he goes somewhere else has an incredible half
the season for Indy. It's like, okay, like maybe there
(16:05):
was something else going on there you guys couldn't figure
out or Sakuon Barkley, Like the one thing the ownershpacity
to do is not let him go to a division rival.
He goes to a division rival, has a career year
and wins a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like those are.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Things that I think you've told Joe Shane accountable for like,
that's what he's in charge of ultimately, And those are
the things that I think probably hurt them the most.
You know, I think maybe if there's some other players
that they've drafted, you feel like, hey, they haven't really
you know, been the guy that the team was hoping for.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Those are things that I think fall on his play.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Like, I just I don't know how, you know, you
can always expect the general manager who's not making any
schematic decisions, any decisions on who's start and who's sitting.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I mean, you're making all those things are tough to
put on us. You're making the decision of who's making
those decisions. And I and I ultimately feel like the
examples that you gave of Daniel Jones and of Saquon
Barkley lynd to the argument that I'm making is that
he was the decision maker. The owner sat there on
(17:05):
hard knocks on the camera and said to this man,
I'd have a hard time sleeping you let this man go.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, just said.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That's what I'm telling you. The argument that I'm making
is based off of what y'all just said. I wasn't
even using Saquon and Daniel Jones. Y'all brought that up.
And all I'm saying is is that clearly in that
segment of that show, it showed that Shane was making
the decisions. So they stink. And the bottom line is
(17:36):
they haven't won. That they have not won since he's
been there. And the first thing that they should have
done is blown out when Dave Ball got fired. The
first thing they should have done is fired the GM
and start over with the GM. It's like, I'm thinking
about the whole Barry thing and or McDermott and is
it who's the GM in Buffalo Bean?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Bean.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm looking at the reports on Bean and and how
that all like in the media is playing. How much
truth is there too, all of the details that's being reported.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But if you're telling me Bean was in like cohoots
with with the owner and he and Goola got irritated
or bothered by the roster and and and you know,
based upon McDermott having you know, criticisms of the roster
and and they're being holes and that's why he ends
(18:32):
up losing his job.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's on you, Bean, but it is that's on you
as the GM. It is commonplace though that a GM
does get a second hire as coach, like Ryan Poles
hired Matt Everflus that didn't go well, and then he
landed Ben Johnson and then we see where that goes. Yeah,
I and I and also you know, in defense of
you know, everybody there with the Giants, Malik Neighbors another guy, like,
(18:57):
I mean, I don't know how you can control that
because he can't stay on the field so well.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And think about it, like he's he's selecting some really
good players on their draft, Like he's got Kevon Tippeau,
he's got Evan Neial Neighbors who looks like he's gonna
be a star when he is healthy. Uh, Deontay Banks
is a really good player, Like there are some there
is good there, Like it hasn't come with the wins
that I think again, you know, sitting there and saying
(19:26):
like the results when the coaches are the ones that
are ultimately there.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It makes it really tough.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm not saying that he's not completely you know, involved
in some of that stuff, and I'm not saying that
he should even you know, not it should.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Have been a clean board for John Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I'm just saying, like, I don't know that I use
a win loss record is like the reason why I
would be upset with Joe Shane, Like I think you
look at he signed Darius Slayton, for example, to a
three year, thirty six million dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Deal, kind of hefty.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I mean, Slatin's a good player, but like not maybe
up to that obviously. You know, we talked about sa Quon,
we talked about Daniel Jones. You know, There's been probably
some others too when you look at it that you're
critical of.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I just I want to see what it looks like
with John Harball and how they continue to build, because
I do think Horrorball looked at this team and said
there's some assets, there's some pieces there because he hadn't.
I mean, there's plenty of other places he maybe could
have went or could have gone to, And clearly he
wants to be on the Giants because of some of
what they have there. It's not like he was like, no, no,
I'd actually rather go to the Raiders. You know, I'd
(20:27):
rather go go Coachdad roster up.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
They have not won that's the bottom line. And if
I'm if I'm Harball and I'm coming into the situation,
the common denominator is the GM, and he's still there.
I'm his second higher. Great, it might go well, great,
but I don't want it being based off of him.
I want to talk to the ownership and I want
(20:51):
to I want it to be made very clear that
whatever decisions are being made that I'm I'm in you know, agree,
we're good, that I'm not in agreeance with it's on file.
I want I want it on record that I wasn't
okay with this. Shouldn't it happen? But it did, and
that impacted the way that my performance takes place. That's
(21:14):
how I would be looking at it, and and it
sounds as though that's how Harball is looking at it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And if I can't get a new if I can't
get the.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
GM in here that I want to have, then this
probably is the next best thing to be able to
have in my contract, is that I don't have to
answer to the GM.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I answered to the owner.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Ain't that right, Joe?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, he just wants to get it done.
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(23:57):
Good morning, Heid. I don't can you explain the.
Speaker 11 (24:02):
Last part.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Pm Z again? What happened? I didn't do anything this time.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I mean listen, he was, you know, given to give
a nice interview on TMZ.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
And you know, oh plan.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, not a gotcha moment at the airport, nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I didn't notice.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
During the game this weekend, Tom was like basically saying
how you weren't on the broadcast enough.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You know, he was basically calling for you.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Said you kind of get the fact that he missed
talking to me, that he listened.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I heard that, and I said that millions of people
talk to you.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I don't like it when we don't talk to you.
That was Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Here's the weird thing is, yeah, that was like Tom
Brady said that millions of people heard it. And my
first thought was, like, I've said that to you on
a broadcast before, and at no point ever were you like, yeah, Brady,
like I wish I could talk to you more. You know,
you said that the tom You know, people really excited
about it. You never said that to me ever. I
just I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I mean, I don't know. I just maybe it's the
super Bowl winning thing. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
He would know more than anyone else, right, I mean
I get that, get that. I don't feel Here's all
I'll say this. I don't feel like eating dinner with
him would be as good. You know, I think you
and I could sit down a nice Italian meal. I'm
not sure like he would, he'd be having like gluten free.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Cr You're I definitely would the Italian meal with you.
I choose you over time for that, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And we can have some wine and drink. You know,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'm not He's gonna drink. He's gonna with some avocado
ice creamch It's a little different.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I hope we understand.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
This is a fine, But this is a fine.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Wash.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Wipe your nose off, bro, That's wow, that's all.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Just take the fine you're taking.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
You're going to take. That's a fine. Let's get to it.
Let's get down to business. Let's get down to it, Dane,
Let's get the business. Come on, a d all right, so.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Or was it an I in T.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
It was an iron t. Look the catch rule, and
this has gone on forever. There's no perfect rule. There's
always going to be controversy. And I think with with
that play, when when the receiver like Cooks is falling
to the ground, whether it's diving, stumbling, whatever it is,
to make the catch they got got, he's got to
hold onto it when he hits the ground. Like when
(26:34):
you finish hitting the ground, like when you fall, eventually
your body stops. The momentum stops, and so when his
entire body's on the ground, he's got to hold on
to it. To me, the ball came loose. It was
probably coming loose as they went to the ground and
McMillan ended up with it, and I thought it was
I thought interception. And in that situation, when it's that
(26:55):
close and the ball comes out immediately, you go with
whoever ends up with it. I did think, and I
thought Sean McDermott had a great point. I kind of
thought it in the moment. I was like, why not
just slow everything down, stop the game, do a full review,
bring the referee over, go through the whole process. So
you don't leave any doubt because I think a lot
of people aren't one hundred percent sure as to what
(27:17):
goes on on a play like that. Okay, there's a
business interception, who's looking at it, who makes the decision
not to bring the referee over. I think that if
they had done that, at least it might have been
less controversial. It might have been some you know, a
little bit less doubt as to whether they actually gave
it a real close thorough examination. But I thought it
(27:39):
was the right call ultimately, I.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Mean, and what there were no athletics steps made right,
Like I know there was another another play that happened
or whatever where they were using it as a comparison
in terms of Adams, the Davante Adams one, Well why
is it this?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Why is this one not? And why is this one?
And so?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But Davante had taken steps like he had established steps.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
He was upright, yeah, he was, he was. He caught
the ball up right. Then he then he completed to
catch them with tackles and then so at that point,
and that's what I've spent time a lot of people
just explaining there's a difference between trying to catch the
football and having possession being a runner, and then your
knee touches, right, if you're trying to catch it to
(28:26):
knee doesn't matter. If you're falling to the ground, you
got to hold on to it all the way. If
you're already a runner with possession, then as soon as
your knee hits you're down by contact.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think that was the dis Yeah, right, that's the differentiation.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
So so I kind of felt like, ultimately Dean that
the call in the field was going to probably rule that,
like what like they weren't going to overturn it one
way or another.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Is that fair to.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Say, because because when I saw it in real time,
I thought it looked like he had more possession of
it than the defender even did. But but even if
it was to be simultaneous possession, and then I guess
I'm saying I could have saw both ways. Like I
wasn't one of those that like went away saying, oh,
it had to be this, Like I was more. I
was more frustrated with the inconsistency of the officiating of
(29:12):
DPI in that game. Like that's where I kind of
felt like, you could there's a few calls that weren't
made that could have been made and just and then
they were made.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know, like how do you view overall.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Because these are assocally the best officiating crews, And it
feels like even even that, like in the in game,
there's inconsistencies and how they were calling it.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yeah, you know, look and I agree with you that
if they had called that Cooks play at catching down
then then it probably would have stood. They would have
said it was too close to change. I do think
in that game and I feel like, and again we
talked about this, right the playoffs, you don't you don't
officiate them differently than the regular season. But I do
feel like I don't know if if this was actually
(29:51):
a directive from the league, but I do feel like
there is more of a kind of let them play
mentality right now. And even in that game, there weren't
you know, pile think the Broncos got called for a
penalty and and so you're letting a lot go. And
then late in the game, you know, you get a
couple of DPI play. I thought the one the one
at the end, I think it was the end of
(30:12):
regulation where the Bills were upset, they could have gotten
a call. I thought that wasn't you know, that really
wasn't ti. I didn't like the first one in overtime
that the Bills got called for. I think they had
rough in the passer on the play anyway, so it
would have been a first down. And then the last
one I thought was was past in appearance. But there
is a lot of downfield contact that's going on, that's
(30:32):
getting you know, that's let go, and it is that
consistency that everybody's looking for that I'm just not quite
sure it was there in that game.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, What
is the thought behind not giving a coach a challenge
in overtime?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Yeah, it's a good that's a good question because the
theory always for challenges when we went back was in
the last two minutes because we had this and this
was funny. And in ninety nine when the system came
back and the coaches had challenges, they had these buzzers,
they had these pagers, and they would page the officials
when they wanted to challenge something, and in the last
(31:13):
two minutes, like I remember, Steve Mariucci was like famous
for this. The officials would get a page in a
very opportune time for whether it was the Lions or
the Niners or whoever he was coaching at the time.
You know, whenever they needed like a time out, they
would get a page and the referee would go over
and he'd be like, I didn't hit it. It wasn't me.
And then and it's like, okay, I'm not going to
(31:35):
call you a liar, so you'd get you'd get basically
a free timeout. So we went with the red flag
to not be able to manipulate the clock. And it
wasn't just moved and there was other coaches that did this,
but he would He was just really funny about it,
and so it wasn't the last you mention is like
you can't challenge something to manipulate the manipulate the clock
and then be like, oh, I didn't know that was reviewable.
(31:55):
But then we just we just said overtime. What if
the team is have a challenges and you know you
this is extra football, let's do it all upstairs. But
but there is the thought, okay, give them an once
overtime starts, regardless of how many challenges you have left,
you would get one if you were out. And I
think that that certainly, Butalo would have used it in
(32:18):
that situation, So I think it's something worth talking about.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Dean. Well there, oh, sorry, no worries.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Well, will there ever be a conversation at the you
know meetings this year or in the media about how
egregious the holds are getting? It's it's I know, I
ask you every time you come on, but it just
seems like it has to be mentioned that these defensive ends,
(32:45):
you know, even even other guys linebackers.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
The holds that these these.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Offensive linemen are are showing on camera and some of
the biggest and these dbs and these dbs too, And
so you see how you jumping in on my question
Dean holding in general? Yes, but I'm I'm I'm attacking
the offensive side of the ball right now, and I'm
(33:10):
and I'm going to stay true to that focus and
true to that purpose. Will it be addressed? Will will
the public be made aware of the fact that they are,
in fact, okay with allowing these holds the way that
they are, because it's not just holding anymore. It's like
literally beer hugging. You got your hands inside of their
(33:32):
jerseys that you're not letting go. They're trying to pull
away there. It's it's really really bad. It's really bad.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, I mean, I I agree with you, I don't think.
I think the the unintended consequence of that, which I
think a lot of people in around the league would
see as a positive, is that it just gives the
quarterback more time, especially in the past game. It gives
the quarterback more time to throw the ball. It keeps
them protected in the gap between the defense. The athleticism
(34:04):
on the defensive line and the offensive line just seems
it's never been greater. So I'm not saying that they're
out there going let them get away with murder, but
it's happening. And I think the league, you know, and
they look at major fact. Look, holding is always either
one or two in terms of number of calls made
every year. It's like holding in false starts are either
one or two every year. And so they're going to
(34:25):
look at that, and it just it's a matter of
whether people, whether it's at the League office and the
officiating department, are on the competition committee. And the competition committee
is in shambles right now because you're losing Mike Tomlin,
you're losing Sean McDermott. You're you know, so it's going
to be interesting to see who these new people are
on the committee if they see it as a problem
and want to take it up as a point of emphasis.
(34:46):
I don't know right now where they're at with that.
You know, I'll find out, but I'm not sure if
there's an appetite right now to do a review of
holding Diana.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I can't recall what Gamma was this weekend, but do
we have a kickoff from the forty.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
As oppose to that was a couple of weeks ago?
That was a couple that was that was Rams Panthers
where I don't know, it's a I don't know what's
going on there, like, It's just the kickoff is never
in the history of the NFL has never been from
the forty. I know, you could have penalties to carry outright,
that's rare. So I don't know. I don't know what
happened there, like, But but.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
The reason why I ask is because it draws there.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
It's like I'm going to put the ball to forty
and see if anybody noticed, Like Tom, don't what are
you doing? Like, I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Don't know, but it draws the question of how involved
is New York because you know, there's not that many
games going well, there's not that many games going on,
so they have to be watching it. And even in
New York, no one who's assigned to that game to
watch it is going.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
There's like there's it's a playoff game. There should be
there's there's probably too many people watching it and and yeah,
I don't I guess you just get into cruise control
and you're what, and you're just assuming that we're going
to put the ball at the right spot to kick it.
I don't know. Yeah, it's that one.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I mean like, like, could you explain for our listeners
to like just the crew that you have when you
guys are doing games like you have like multiple people
watching to look for stuff like in that whole little
back glass bowl.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That you live in.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Basically when you're when when you guys were there and
when Mike's there, whenever you're doing games.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Like it's it's a real operation. I would assume the
NFL is even bigger.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Right last, it's not Class Bowl. It's not like Bubble Boy,
but it's it's a woomb you know.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You used to be bubble boy.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
I know, I know it was bubble boy and now
your Brady boy exactly time.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And Dan, you got to pay ten dollars fines man,
ten dollars fines you. You you be washed on on
Tom Brady ten dollars. Fine player, Okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
So yeah, there's a team of people. There's spathers, just
like in the broadcast Moove. You know, when you're doing
a game, when the play by play, the analysts, you
have spotters, you have people that are looking for that stuff.
And again, I just think people get into like cruise control,
they get on autopilot and don't pick up didn't pick
up the fact that we're kicking from the wrong yard line.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I mean, it seems like.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A problem, uh Dean, the rules analyst criticism like, okay, a.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Lot of craziness.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I don't talk, all right. I don't understand how whether
it's you or Terry McCauley or anybody, why are you
guys the ones getting the heat when it's it feels
like it killed the messenger type situation we.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Have going on saying about about and I want people
to understand what our role is. Like my role ninety
eight percent of what I do as a rules analyst
is not on camera, it's not on the broadcast. And
this role was created by Dave Hill at Fox Sports.
Mike Pereira, you know all the studies that they did
(38:05):
at the networks where people fans enjoy the game more
when they understand the rules. And if you ever pick
up an NFL rule book, it's fringing, three hundred pages long.
It's insane how complicated the rules can get. So they said, Okay,
rather than having Toy Aikman or or John Matt, whoever
it is, try and interpret this, this fringing encyclopedia, why
(38:29):
not get somebody that knows the rules that we can
use as a resource. And that's where it was came
out of. And now everybody's doing it.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
And so when I'm I'm sitting there and like I said,
nineteen percent of the time, I'm just feeding Burkhart and
Brady information when there's a call, who the call is on,
what they're what they're looking at. And then one or
two times a game, I come on, and I'll even
say if it's obvious, why am I going to come on?
I'll just tell the producer, Hey, this is obvious. You
don't need me because I can come on and go
(38:58):
look everybody, like you have eyes at home. The ball
hit the ground like that's that's that's useless. So I
don't ever want to do that for me. It's like, okay,
can I come on and explain something. A couple of
weeks ago, flag pickup.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
For an eligible downfield? A lot of people didn't know
the rule. Okay, if you engage within a yard, you
can be more than a yard downfield when the past
is thrown. So I think that's where and we just
get a lot of crap, which is fine because sometimes, oh,
you just agree with the officials every time, like no,
like I'm not, I don't. I'm going to give my
own opinion, and I agree with the officials more often
(39:31):
than not because they're right more often than not. But
it's just that's the way it goes. And so people
are upset. And look what I'm saying is like there's
I'm probably I'm the goat to rules analysts and not
everybody's guy isn't as good as Glendino.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
A true? Actually that's not that's true.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's right, Dean. Well, and you'll be you'll be there
in Seattle this weekend.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Correct, Yeah, we'll be up in Seattle looking forward.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
There he is the great Team Blandino with us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports. It's High and Meal
with Dan College foot Rules Analyst. Get him on x
at Dean.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
We'll have Tom just sit there and watch a seat.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You know, of course we will, all right, So we'll
do it again next week. There he is the great
Dean Blandino on FSR. By the way, be sure to
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(41:25):
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Speaker 10 (41:47):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Well all right, and for that we turn it over.
We are executive producer. You see Patty speaks.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
Oh jolly good Heaven's gone. I want to throw you
guys off. Come on, give it to us. Well, you
know what, I gotta give what the people want. Brady,
I'm sorry, but he's trying to play the good.
Speaker 12 (42:28):
Will Sheriffs. Let's round of the sheriff. Are you're the
good Obviously? The college football Playoff Championship was played and
Indiana made history, and Kirk Signetti also was making history
being the coach.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
And I mean, I think that's everything good about the
game of football. You got a guy, dope guy, and
Signetti as a coach. Players believe in me, and you
got a bunch of guys. Aren't five stars, aren't four stars,
Just guys that came together and had a common goal
and teamwork paid off. So that's my good for the week,
(43:09):
Indiana football. I you who who who?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Who's yours?
Speaker 12 (43:15):
Well, I know who's a who gets the but but
but bad Sheriff Queen, you're up?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh that was bad? That was bad?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, I know that was bad. It's bad to the boom,
bad to the bone. Sheriff Quinn with us. I mean,
maybe he didn't even want to hear what he was doing.
Huh huh what you know what? Why don't we give
Sheriff Queen some extra time. Sheriff Knox, you get the ugly.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The San Francisco forty nine Ers and Seattle Seahawks played
a playoff game on Saturday night, and uh, I said
it via text to you, guys, Man Fox really got
a bag of bleeps with that. One of all the
games they got this weekend, they got the Niners and
the Sea that was brutal. I look at San Francisco
and I go, they were limping into this game, but
(44:07):
I expected it to be somewhat close. And when you
open up with a kickoff return for a touchdown and
Eddie Pinero thinks he's out in the World Cup trying
to trip up Shaheed as he's running down the sideline,
that's just not great for anybody involved. So my ugly
for the week was the performance of the San Francisco
forty nine Ers in their game at Seattle over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Dang, I mean they were limping into it too.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
But all right, all right, well, Sheriff Quinn, you get
the band, sir.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Probably me having to use some dude wipes there between
the last two segments.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
Oh wow, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
You have just too much darn coffee this morning, man,
running right through me.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think our entire family.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Actually the bad should be the the Quinn household is
just falling apart. We were able to get through the holidays,
I think, like healthy, but now it's hit us and
it's it's taking us.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Down one by one.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
It's just like watching like each each Quinn family member
just get taken down their puking. They're just puking out
of their ass through the whole thing. It's it's a
whole situation that's.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Household right now. That's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
That might have been tm I for some folks out there,
but I know there's others dealing with it. So again,
go find you some dude, wifes. I'm telling you, it's
like a breath bend for your ass.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Oh God, the visual on that was wild.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Oh okay, all I can hear in my head your mouth.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
The sad thing is a little a little a little
one year old kid is he's dealing with it the
worst right now. So it's just it's sad seeing little babies.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
When they're sick. Man, that's the toughest to deal with.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
On the bright side, though, we did get Country western
SWEEKA back in the building.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I know by popular demand?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Did you can't kick it?
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Can you try a different one? Like Jonahs has a
bunch of different impressions he does. Can you do anything
other than the country? The British one for the first second?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
More time?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Oh, good heavens, Brady Quinn, good heavens.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Is it Elmo?
Speaker 10 (46:05):
You can do that?
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Scared me?
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Or was it SpongeBob? I'm not doing this on?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Come on, Patty.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
SpongeBob was like, oh god, you.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Do sound like SpongeBob.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
To break with SpongeBob that was That's a really limited SpongeBob.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Come on, Patrick, there's an instrument.
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