January 22, 2026 • 54 mins
Today on 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington discuss the Bills dysfunction regarding Terry Pegula and that entire front office. Plus, the guys get fiery on a debate about Eric Bieniemy returning to the Chiefs, follow up on Darian Mensah getting sued, somehow yeast gets thrown in, and more!!
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I don't know if you knew this or not. We
are sitting next to Steve Jobs and Elvis President.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
How about that. How about that lover, lover and a creator.
That's that's what my personality breakdown came back with. You
didn't know that, did you? Yeah? I just wondered, like
am I a narciss city? So I took one of
those personality surveys yesterday.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
What does that entail?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Like, what do you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
What do you have to do?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It was like I looked it up and it's online.
It was online.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Deal, Like if you look up your love language or
your house of hufflepuff or something.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like like, it can help you to like figure out
how to improve your you know, like your daily movement,
like if you need more structure in your life or
you know, more of this less of that, you know,
type of deal and what to come back as, I'm
a lover and a creator?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Okay, yeah, I mean you've got how many kids?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Five?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Five?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I would say that equates to being a lot. I mean,
I agreed, but what to tell you that?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
The hardest thing I had to accept was the celebrity
comparisons like my what is it? My survey? My answers
aligned with Steve Jobs as the creator, which I'm okay
with He's was he on the spectrum, and he might
have been I might be on spectrum, bro and then
uh and Elvis Presley as the lover I was. I
(02:51):
was like, I mean, I couldn't have things going on there.
It couldn't have been Martin Luther the King or you know,
Malcolm the X. You know, I mean like they they
put me on the opposite end, you know, I was.
I was going for like, you know, kind of civil
rights leader or something to that effect. Yeah, you know,
(03:13):
the Donald said it was it was.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It was a boozehound and something else a lover.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Well, Steve Jobs was never formally diagnosed. Many people and
experts do believe that he showed traits of being on
the autism spectrum and having aspergers.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, well, there you go for Maybe he was just
smart than man. I do feel like I'm alone sometimes.
I'll tell you that. That's why I stay to myself.
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It feels like they're alone right now, probably Kean Coleman.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, great, great second that I mean, when you when
your owner throws you under the bus like that.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
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You know where them do wives go? You can flush them?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So he could he could go right where to do
wipe that he use?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
He go right with it.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, that was something yesterday.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Terry Poula, the owner of the Buffalo Bills and Brandon mean,
I can't say.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Conference before we put the sound. Can I just throw
this out there? Are we to the point where we
got some of these owners that are getting so old
you're like, oh no, they're having those senior moments.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I feel like they're getting so old and times have
changed so much. They're so disconnected from how soft this
this day and age is that they don't care more.
Most old hits don't care anyway. But now the politically
the being politically correct phase of of of doing things
(05:01):
with old hits, it's gone. It's gone. They don't even
care no more. Terry don't even care, Like, Hey, I'm
gonna shoot you straight. I own banguitting at all, and
y'all gonna stop ratting on my GM like that because
that's my guy.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, I could go kick a rock so much so
he promoted him now. Yesterday, amongst a bunch of questions
about you know, Sean McDermott's firing, et cetera, et cetera,
the question was posed to Brandon Bean about the situation
with Keon Coleman, who they drafted and it just hasn't
worked out. He was benched. There's been a lot of
(05:40):
off the field stuff with him. He's not showing up
on time, so on and so forth. I think there's
been some fines that have been handed out as well too,
and so they've been asking, you know what, what's really
gone on with this? Your fingerprints are all over this
move in drafting Keon Coleman. And then yes, and then
Terry Pegula decided, you know what, I don't need to
(06:02):
use my blinker all merged right into this lane and
take this.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean rupt, I'll address the Keon situation. The
coaching staff pushed to draft Kon. I'm not saying Brandon
wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice.
That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice
of his coaching staff who felt strongly about the player,
(06:32):
and he's taken, for some reason heat over it and
not saying a word about it. But I'm here to
tell you the true story.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Now, there's a couple of problems with that true story,
all right. Number one, that player is still on your roster.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, you didn't, you didn't say.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Number two, there's audio and video at the combine of
Brandon Bean saying I'm glad Keon Coleman's forty was a
little bit disappointing because that way to help me draft him.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yeah, so clearly he wanted him. Do we have the
sound pat, Yes? Oh yeah, okay, thanks, Llan, can just
play it. I just you got to contrast these two.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Basically, when I went to bed that night, I was like,
it's it's Keon unless someone just blows us away.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
We didn't feel anything was attractive enough for us to
pass up on.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Key On all considerable things, considerably get the guy's Yeah,
so Sepsted.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And this might be obvious.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
That's so tomorrow, we're.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Just gonna keep trading Auti.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Orena get fourteen fifths.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Barring someone offering us something stupid, We'll take Keon cool Man. Yeah,
it's a little damning typing Danny.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
They literally made a video about Brandon being making the selection.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, it's a little damn And you know what's crazy.
Chiom was if y'all remember, he was like the biggest
personality the media, sweetheart, the promotion, sweetheart, commercial sweetheart going
into the season, like right after he got drafted, he
he got he blew up super like, was super popular,
was in the media all the time, like people loved
(08:28):
him like they I mean, the perception of him was
his Q rating was really.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I This just tells me how much Josh Allen has
covered up things in that organization that maybe we weren't
aware of. Because Terry Bacoola sounds like Woody Johnson. He
sounds like the Jets.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Don't talk about my boy like that. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Hold on, now, don't go that far right this, hold
don't go that far if you're a Jets fan, and
if you're a Jets fan.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Of look, I ain't gonna go in in the up round.
And hey, I heard Jonas was was going after me.
Well I can't.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
If you ever want to make sure I covered off.
If you ever wondered as a Jets fan what it
would be like playing the Bills twice a year to
have Josh Allen as your quarterback. Well, this is what
it's like, Like, this is what it would look like
if Josh Allen was your quarter.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, you're in trouble unless it's the playoffs. Such a
bad look.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well yeah, it's not only as what do they know
about that?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
It's a terrible look.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
And what makes things worse is like I was looking
back on just like what mcdermot's done during his tenure there,
I'm like, all right, this is interesting. I mean, he's
got the third highest winning percentage of an active head coach.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
He only missed the playoffs. Once we talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Do you know his winning percentage is fifteenth whole time
amongst head coaches.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
In NFL history. Like, he's been really, really good.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
They just haven't been able to kind of like crack
that seal. And I kind of go back to this
discussion we had yesterday because LeVar, you wanted to associate
the record with the team, and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You I love, like trying to make sure that you
prove what I'd say is wrong. Guy, You no tellus,
tell us what you're.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Thinking, Brady, what I'm what I'm thinking is like McDermott,
who is directly associated with it, he gets clipped, and meanwhile,
then Brandon Bean gets credit for it.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And meanwhile you've got an owner who's sitting there.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Like lambasting the fact that they took Keon Coleman because
the coaching staff. Meanwhile, we've got evidence otherwise. I just
looked and go like, it's just it's always to me
about the ability for whoever gets that owner's ear. And
there's other examples of this within organizations where there's dysfunction,
(10:55):
but someone's got the rich guy's ear and somehow, even
though again there's evident it's otherwise, he's like brainwashed or
he's talked into thinking that, like Yo, no, no I
was shot Mac Difference pick. Yeah, I wasn't. It wasn't Brandon's.
It's like, no, it was it was Brandon's. That's his job.
That's exactly who's pick it was. And not only doesn't
(11:15):
I can fire you, it's promoted.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I look at it and go, I wonder if candidates
who are now looking at that opening. Joe Brady who
interviewed yesterday, and there'll be some others as attractive as
it is because of Josh Allen looking at it and go,
maybe there's a little more there.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
To Jonas's point, maybe it's not.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
As functional as as we thought, just because their success
and it kind of pairs similarly similarly to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
In away right.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh, I was going to say in the hardball situation,
I mean, but yeah, Pittsburgh as well. And by the way,
I was on the throne using a dude, like when
Brady shot the whole, you know, to stray on me yesterday,
I caught that friendly fire yesterday it was okay, what
do you mean it was a catch? I was like,
I was, it was booty minting myself when I got
(12:05):
let me when I caught me straight on a tangent.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
So I was texting with Blandino and I said.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
To him, I go, I go, hey, by the way,
I go, you initially told me when they were up
in Seattle for the game that you thought it was
a catch. He said, yeah, I go, what happened when
Tom looked at it and tell you it wasn't a catch?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So you just changed your opinion? He goes, samn, He's
He's like, not quite. I go, okay, what was it,
he goes, I just I don't know. I goes.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
I felt like there's another angle of it, and I said, okay,
that's fair, that's fine, But I go that angle didn't
really show it.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
From this cyber it seems like there's more body control.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Whatever I was, that was that was more than like
I'm I'm Booty Minting and I get it. I catch
it straight from Brady it was a catch. There's the
different since I sent.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You, I'm the only one.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I'm the only one that said it was a catch,
by the way, So I'm it's a whole hold on.
I'm okay with being wrong. I really am. Like I
had moved on from it what I said to you.
I know that toilet caught what I threw. I was
one hundred four hundred. I was one hundred percent completely touchdown, touchdown,
(13:15):
touchdown again, Like.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
My whole thing was whatever they call him, the field
was what it was going to be. That was.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That was ultimately I kind of felt about that play,
and I agree with that one hundred percent. I agree
with that because ultimately, in my estimation, it ultimately comes
down to a judgment call in that moment because your
reasoning wasn't wrong, Well it was. I don't think that
your reasoning.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Was incourage judgment call that got Sean McDermot fired.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I mean, if you want to look back on it,
like if the Bills win that game, I don't know
that he's getting fired.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I don't disagree with that, but I will say
that now listening to the way Terry is discussing like
he's in defense mode. It sounds like they're in defense mode.
And in Buffalo, maybe again, you guys said it yesterday,
Maybe the hat writing was on the wall, you know,
(14:14):
and maybe it was super Bowl or Bus, which I
thought this year for Buffalo was super Bowl or Bus.
And then once we got closer to the playoffs and
you saw how things were were kind of shaping up
at one hundred percent went up that it should be
a super Bowl or Bus year for Buffalo. No reason.
(14:38):
You can't give a real reason as to why a
Josh Allen led team wouldn't be in pole position to
get the Super Bowl this season this year, So I
don't Maybe he does save his job, but if we're
going to base it off of a play, it's hard
(14:58):
for me to accept that a play was the reason
why that man lost his job, which it has happened.
I mean, it's not like it's not something that's happened
in the past. But I just find that one hard.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Terry Pegoula did address why Sean McDermott was fired, and
he'd like to push back on that notion that it
was about a bad call in a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I did not fire a coach based on a bad
officiating decision. If I can take you into that locker room,
I felt like we hit the proverbial playoff wall year
after year, thirteen seconds, miss field goals, the catch. I
just sensed in that locker room, like, where do we
(15:39):
go from here?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Is it super Bowl or bust? Because in twenty twenty six, no,
we can't.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
We can't say that to somebody coming in. We were
making a change, and you know, it's do your best job.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Good isn't good enough anymore? I mean I think we
all know that. The I mean the clarity of that,
and I'll let you all have a Baseball isn't good
enough anymore?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
But baseball used to be you hit singles, doubles, get
on base, you get the runner home. It's it's home
runs or strikeouts. That's why even baseball has become Yeah,
so you can't convince me that whoever gets the head
coaching job, especially if they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You know, the Terry boogol is gonna be like.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Oh, well, this doesn't feel good. This feels like a
step back. Yeah, dude, Yeah, like you got it took
for granted the fact that you're in the playoffs every
year when mcdermo's there, just because youre go don't get
to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Here's what I think.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
There's an element of here, and people may take an
issue with this. I'm just gonna say it, Okay, it
takes some luck. I think there's a lot of successful
people out there who believe that what they've done to
get where they're at is all things they've done. It's
hard work, it's dedication, sacrifice, blah blah blah, it's talent.
(16:52):
It's a little luck too, if we're being honest with
like about a lot of it. It's it's probably more
luck then people like to actually like to admit, you
got a call that went your way, your team stayed healthy.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
You know, there's other things that play a factor into that.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
But The truth is, like luck plays a much bigger
role in all of us. Do you not think the
Denver broncos I's sitting there going, dang, dude.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
How unlucky are we that?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Like boat knicks after playing a great game and the
second to last play it breaks his ankle out of there,
Like you get to this point here and you basically
have the dude who hopes you win the game breaks
his ankle.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Now you got a backup. Playing the AFC.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Championship game like that is not anything other than just
sheer luck.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Either have it or you don't.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
And for those teams that have had in this special season,
you could look back on a lot of different moments,
plenty of moments and say, yeah, there's some luck involved.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
And by the way, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Like people act like it discredits people's accomplishments. Like you
read through things about these titans who build up different
industries Bill Gates, go look at where Bill Gates was
born and when he was born. If he wasn't in
that exact scenario, probably doesn't make Sun Microsystems, which eventually
(18:16):
becomes Microsoft. And he eventually becomes this billionaire one of
the most powerful men in the world because of where
he grew up, the resources that he had, the access
to what he had at that time. If he was
born sooner wouldn't have had access to it at that moment.
If he was born somewhere else, probably wouldn't have had
a computer system one of the first ever to go
to when he was in Seattle. There's all sorts of
(18:38):
examples of this like throughout time and life, but we
tend to just be like.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, no, it was me, it was this, it was that,
and that was no, it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Dude, Like the part of it was just sheer luck.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
And I feel like there's a little bit of a
little bit of that at play here where if you
look at just the unluckiness of even Buffalo and the
call that took place, if that calls a catch, they
win the game. So I don't know, man, I just
I've listened to all this stuff from Terpegol and I
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Why are you saying we acting? Why can't we like
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whole yeast thing. I mean, we got here's the thing
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This little.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Good to get to the dough.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Mess.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
You.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
How many guys are driving around going.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah he's right, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Ain't guys tell him truth this morning?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, keep it real, all right?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
So what's the latest on this, uh darien mensa crap?
Is he gonna be able to transfer and get to
Miami or is this gonna be uh?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Are we gonna play this whole.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Thing like he's still in the east of it.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
What's I mean, you know, LeVar, the yust you could
do is is I have a real conversation here.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well at who's going to have an explanation for it?
All right?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So so what do we got here on on Darien Mensa.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
He's been uh, he's been deemed to enter the transfer portal. However,
he cannot enroll or play football at another school right
now until a judge rules on Duke's request for an
injunction that would prevent him from leaving Duke.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
So that's where we are at at this point. I
believe he's entered.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
The transfer portal with a do not contact designation. For
those of you that don't understand what that means. Typically
when a player enters the transfer portal, they enter and
if you know, their contact information goes out, teams can
start contacting them.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
But some cannencer with it do not contact.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
And if you ever thought that there wasn't tampering going on,
this is a surefire sign that there is, because why
would you enter into to transfer another school then tell
them that everyone that no one can contact you, especially
if you just entered like, how would you know?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
You haven't talked to enough teams.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Out there, But usually this means that there's already been
a team that he has selected.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
How that came about? Not sure? Luck, okay, not lucky.
Like the other thing, there was probably at yeast a
conversation that a cured was illegal, so.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That it was a hug, them hugs and them embraces.
There they gotta go. You'll never see them after the
games anymore. If I like, sportsmanship is done, postgame sportsmanship,
pregame sportsmanship done. You can't talk to your friend. I
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know y'all went to high school together. You can't talk
to them if y'all want to do it on your
own time. Y'all want to be on cell phones and
stuff like that. We can't stop that. But on this field,
ain't no shaking hands, ain't no hugs.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Warm embraces, because everybody's recruiting.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Everybody's recruiting.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I've seen it with my own two eyes, and it's wild.
It's wild, how how blatant it is too. Wasn't didn't
Lincoln Riley get accused of that? Wasn't he doing something
postgames with somebody off.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Offered a player a million dollars.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
What a sport which didn't end up happening, and I
don't know, might have helped them in a specific game
that you know longer.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Has to play anymore.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I think what's interesting about this is it's going to
as we I always like to say, from a legal perspective,
it's going to set a precedent in one way or another.
We keep looking for Congress to get involved, to create
antitrust protections for some of these universities so they can
have some sort of enforceable rules, since a collective bargain
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agreement doesn't seem like it's anywhere close to happening.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
If that's the case, I just I look at it.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I say, I feel bad in a way for the players,
only because you know he's going to be subject to
a lot of scrutiny and when he gets to Miami,
the expectations are high, which I think he realizes that.
But it's the system that's been set up and that
they're living in. It's not the one that they choose.
Like this isn't how Darien Mensa would like to handle this.
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But if you don't think that, you wouldn't want to
go to another school that you feel like has a
better chance of winning a national championship, is going to
compensate you more for what you do.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You're out of your damn mind.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Like, don't be critical of these kids. You don't know
their background. You don't know what the shelf life is
for how long they're.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Going to be able to play. He's had a serious
arm injury.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Like There's elements too, like how teams will view him
once he gets to the combine and he would eventually
goes on in the NFL level in the draft. I
don't know what that means for his career, but I'm
surely not going to judge him for probably taking the
advice of those advising him, which is a whole separate
issue for trying to, you know, find a place that's
gonna pay him more and let him go try to
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win a national championship. I know it looks and maybe
sounds wrong in some ways, but it's the nature of
where we're at in college football.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Crazy. Once again, we're to a place where all the
information that's available villainizes the athlete. We're not saying, hey, dude,
just let the kid the kid he doesn't want to
be there anymore. Lick your wombs, take your lumps, move on.
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You're an amazing traditional university higher like super higher level
of education learning institution at Duke.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Like.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Relax, it's one person, it's one player. Okay, you don't
want them there. You feel slighted. Oh you know what,
some type of compensation. I get it, But injunctions that
he can't leave, you're not allowed to leave, you're gonna
play here or you're not playing anywhere. Someone needs to
(30:42):
have their ass whipped over this. That is a college
hold on, hold on student athlete if he wants to
go somewhere else and utilize the portal, even if your
contract says what it says, just negotiate the severance, negotiate
(31:08):
the parting of ways. I have no problem if the conversations.
When I heard the Georgia lawsuit, I thought it was
egregious to say he has to pay back moneies that
haven't been paid to him. But in a way, if
you think about it, if the kid is leaving to
go get more money somewhere else, if that is indeed
what it is that they're leaving for, and it's not
(31:30):
just because well, for me, I can go here and
have a chance to win a national title, whatever it is.
But Georgia does give you a chance to win a
national title, so maybe you can't use that as an excuse.
But if for some reason you're leaving because you're getting
more money, I can understand Georgia is saying, well, we
want to be compensated because basically you used us to
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be able to get that.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But if you're telling me, and this is what sounds like,
correct me if I'm wrong, Duke is like, we don't
want you leaving and we don't want you playing if
you're not doing it at Duke, that's wrong. That's that's wrong, man.
That's take take a take a buyout agreement, whatever it
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may be. Maybe that's where college football is hitting. If
you go into the transfer portal and you're one of
these high end because we're really talking about a top
what one percent, it probably won't go out one percent
of the athletes I had this type of command anyway,
still buy out.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You know what's interesting, Jonas, I know you don't follow
English Premier League soccer, but you said yesterday it's not true.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Well okay, and maybe it's not to I never hear
you talk about it.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Leads what some some teams like you can loan out
players right like you can. There's different mechanisms that are
in place that are in professional leagues elsewhere, and I
wish college football would look at that because I do
feel like there's a model that could help support all
of this, and the EPL model with the lower tier
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leagues two would make a lot of sense for college football.
It would reward those programs that maybe aren't viewed as
blue blood, that they don't have as much cash and
so forth for their success and.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Allow them to get promoted.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And it would relegate programs that I mean not trying
to hate on Rutgers, just saying I haven't really played
much of a factor in a lot off. I mean,
you could pick your school that hasn't really been able
to hold up. It's part of the bill in some
of these bigger conferences, and if they get relegated down,
so be it. They have the opportunity to get promoted
back up. But to me, that would be a much
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better model for college football. And I've always said, just
from my time going over there to watch those games,
that is the closest thing in America to what they
experienced there as far as the culture, the fandom, the
fanatics that are around the game, and really, quite frankly,
the way this is set up, it would be the
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easiest way to handle situations like.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
This, It really would. We don't have enough time.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
We got to hit the break.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
But I'm just saying I wish someone would take a
deeper dive and look at saying maybe this is something
we could we should have in American sports there's some
sort of promotion relegation model, because we don't.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Have it right now. When they bring you on, just
make sure I'm with you. I'm with you, you know. That's
that's all I said. Just make sure I'm like your
special partner. Can't counsel, you know, because we can go
through the yeast to get to the dough together in this.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Just let me know, speaking of lead, sure did get
full of that yeast over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Huh huhdang talking about this they did? Right, look that up.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
No, let me look it up.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I don't have Wi Fi.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
And this is a great goal.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It so silly, bro.
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The team I had, I was all the way done
in the second You know how bad my bracket was?
A team I had picked in the final, didn't score
a point. That's how bad mine was. So is what
it is man, But congratulations four perfect brackets.
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Speaker 4 (37:55):
Down to him and Andy Furman and ultimately uh Rose
gets a Now that being said, there's been a lot
of speculation about what the future of Travis Kelsey is
going to be, and uh he had some thoughts on
his podcast about the recent edition of Eric Benemy, who
(38:16):
was back. Eric Benemy spent one season with the Bears
as their running backs coach, and Matt Naggi is moving
on Eric b Enemy's back of the building as oc.
So let's take a listen to Travis Kelsey's response.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I think it's great.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
I think it's a marriage is going to pick up
right where it left off. Eb and who he is
as a as a coach. You can see kind of
his personality, what he brings to his table in that
Chicago team.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I know Ben Johnson has his own version of that.
Speaker 11 (38:43):
He's a very tough guy and what he did in
Detroit he brought over as well. And you can see
those running backs over Chicago and their their body of
work was was definitely Eric b Enemy style.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Of football man, and hell yeah, I can't wait to see.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Him back in the building.
Speaker 11 (38:58):
Man, He's one of He's one of my favorite coaches
of all time, one of my favorite people of all time.
I've had so many unbelievable, you know, growing moments under
him as a as a player, as a person, and
I just love the guy and it's gonna be awesome
to see him back in the building and see him back.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
We're in the Chiefs logo, baby, So there we go.
I was excited to see him back, which they haven't
been a good offense since he left. I know everybody
gave Andy Reid the credit for calling the plays, but
he was there and I think he played a major role.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Didn't won a Super Bowl after he left, well.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I mean a lot of people would debate that it
was based upon their defense and now their defense played
and how they have played. I mean, I'm just being
out there.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
The enemy was doing well like he left, Like, here's
the reality. The enemy didn't do well. The Chiefs won
a Super Bowl? Like can we stop?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Like, I'm just could the reunion be? People can have
opinions outside to yours. Pretty okay, true, Well, in your estimation,
it wasn't true. A lot of people would say a
lot of people would say spagnol Le and that defense
was the catalyst of that team success. That's not a
that's not a that's my truth. How about I hope.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Patrick Mahomes go somewhere else so we can really see
that Steve Spagnola defense.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, I mean he did go somewhere else because he
hasn't been to Patrick Mahomes that was there early on,
He hasn't been. He wasn't that guy this year, last year,
he wasn't that guy the year before.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
He was hurt.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Oh okay, all right, well there you go, he's hurt.
There you go like that. That makes it all better.
That makes it all better. Patrick Mahomes was hurt and
and that's it, Like okay, But what I do know
is Eric b Enemy had a bigger impact on that
offense than what he was given credit for. That's what
I do know. How about that great they won a
(40:54):
super Bowl. I'm totally aware of the fact that they
won a super Bowl, and I'm totally aware of the
fact that the catalyst of their team has been their defense,
and whether people want to give them that credit or not,
they haven't been the same since Eric b Enemy and
the Cheeta left that team done. That's my that's that's
my take on it. Now you could come in and
(41:15):
say what reality is from your reality, but my reality
is a little different than yours. And that's okay. It's
an old book. Just take a look. It's reading Rainbow.
There you go, my reading Rainbow. That break. So my opinion, look,
he didn't went to AI. Let me go to AI.
(41:35):
Let me let me go to AI. I'm not going
to You're in there, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
My opinion is this is is a good marriage for
both Eric b Enemy and obviously some of the players,
guys like Travis Kelce who missed them and wanted him back.
To say that the Chiefs need him is completely false
and not true. They won a Super Bowl, they won
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another AFC championship and lost in the Super Bowl without him.
This is the first year where you saw signs of struggles,
and I would say I'll be curious to see what
happens with their offense next years. As Eric Banamy left
and went for other opportunities, I don't think things worked
out in Washington.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
They didn't work out at UCLA. So it is what
it is.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
Like again, sometimes you know, it ends up being the
right fit at a certain spot for all parties involved,
and that could be what this is. So I know
Travis Kelse is excited about it. I think the bigger
take wasn't the Eric b Enemy take on this. It's
the fact that everyone thought Travis kels was going to retire,
and he alluded to the way he talked about it,
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like he can't wait to see him in that building
and all that, Like, oh, all right, so you're coming back?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Then?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
That was I thought, actually the bigger take from the
SoundBite m because like every TV network wrote him off
like it was the last game he'd ever play, and
it kind of made it sound like maybe that's not
the case.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I My thing on the Travis Kelsey potential retirement was
I just wonder if he looks at it and says, man,
I don't want to go out without Patrick Mahomes, like I,
you know, I don't want, you know, my my last
catch as a chief to be from you know, Chris
Aladuke and I believe is his name, and that's no
(43:29):
shade on him, But I think Travis Kelsey has a
storybook potential storybook ending in his mind, he's got, he's
got his fantasy that he wants in his mind met
and that's with Patrick Mahomes on the field with him,
and he walks off and goes into the sunset because
you know, I think I don't think he battled the
injuries and was as banged up as he had been
(43:49):
in previous years. And so when you hear him in
the way he talks about Eric b Enemy, it's like, Okay, well, yeah,
maybe the window does open. Maybe Patrick Mahomes starts the
season on the pup list and maybe there's an opportunity
for him there. It also, you know, would indicate that
apparently things weren't weren't great with Matt Naggy. He's now
interviewing as the OC and Philly when he was up
for the head coaching job in Tennessee and there's not
(44:11):
a pathroom to get back to Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
So coaches go different places and underperform all the time
after having success somewhere prior to that happens. That's not unique.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Sure, unique Mahomes quarterback. I would love to call plays
for Patrick.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Sure, once he became Patrick Mahomes, I can make a
bad play call, And I know he's good enough to
overcome that. Well, the same nag tell the truth about it,
Like Naggy did not get the same results as as
airby enemy as the offensive coordinator. Well, yeah he did,
because they didn't. They were ranked, they won a super Bowl,
(44:48):
they went the two. What's their ranking under Naggy? What
what's their offensive rankings?
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Does it matter if they win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yes, because there's a reason why.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Okay, okay, so so, Trent, here's the Let's put Dilpourh
in the Hall of Fame, Like, hey, y'all won the
Super Bowl. Trent, you're in the Hall of Fame too.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
Everything he's always got a Super Bowl, He's always got
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
He does he always one of the greatest defenses in
the history of the game. Let's put Vince there. Let's
put h McMahon in there. Like let's wrong, let's go
back to eighty five, Like, let's put McMahon in.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Cocky QB known as it's a great argument when you
use only two cases in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
If you if you did that the other day, q
I learned from the best. You're gonna give me Indiana
as well. It was a basketball school. Yeah, okay, great,
you gave me one example. I'm giving you too. I
beat you by one. What are you talking about when
we were discussing the Duke Blue Devils being a football
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school and you used Indiana as an example as well,
they are considered to be a football or basketball school
as well.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I mean I said you gave me one extreme example.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I gave you two extreme examples. I'm not not hiding
from that. But nonetheless, Trent Dilfer and what what's what's
what's McMahon's first day. You're saying at this point, Jim McMahon,
Jim McMahon, there you go or not? I mean you're saying, oh,
you got Patrick Mahomes. That's you're going to win a
Super Bowl? Like, let's just go away work and go
full circle here.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Okay, So in factful as a play caller, okay, that
he's now interviewing for other offensive coordinator jobs.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
No, it's not fair.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
I mean because Andy Reid, that's the reality of it.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
The funny thing about your argument is you're trying to
make an argue about who the O C is as
if it matters. Reid still calls the plays. Bro that's
why Eric Banemy wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
It doesn't. Okay, So there's no contribution to the success
of the offense, because.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
Sure, sure there's contribution. I'm not trying to be little
what they're doing. But if Andy Reid calls the plays,
no different than Kyle shanahan, No that different than Sean McVay,
no different than Kevin O'Connell. Do you think the offensive
coordinator position is as important if the guy who's actually
calling the plays is the head coach.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, it is important because of the structure, because of
the execution of it, the implementation of it, and here's
what I tell you is the personal relationships of it.
You can't sit there.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
You can't sit there in one instance and say, well,
you gotta give your giin me credit and.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Then not give Matt Naggie credit.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Then can you well, cat Naggy was not The offense
was not as productive under mcnaggy as it was under
Eric b enemy.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Right, who didn't call plays.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And by the way, there was times when it wasn't
as plea you're saying both of them didn't call plays. Correct, Okay,
So it doesn't matter right now.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
What you're making is that he's back, like he's gonna
make a difference.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
It's not gonna make a difference.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Their issue the pieces around Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I don't buy that. I don't buy that. And the
reason why I don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
Is but Chelsea isn't the same player.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
He is the same that I mean, he isn't he's older. Like,
that's fine. I don't. I don't have a problem with debating,
like there's no debate on Chelsea is old, Like it's
not he's not the same player. I get that. But
if you're telling me the impact of the o C
on Kansas City has no bearing on their success, I've
never said it doesn't hating You're no.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
It doesn't matter as much if he's not calling the plays.
It's different compared to other organizations with the head coach.
For example, John Harbaugh is the head coach of the
New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
You know what he's not gonna do, LeVar, He's okay.
Speaker 6 (48:47):
So don't you think the offensive coordator matters a little
bit more then well.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
In that category, in that instance, it matters more. Yes,
that's correct. You my god, But the behind the Saints
is just as important as the person who's calling the plays.
It's just as important, and it is. It is by
the way, the.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
Behind the scenes for both is the same.
Speaker 6 (49:10):
The differences those guys aren't the ones pulling the trigger
on game day, which has a significant importance. I've played
for plenty of offensive coordinators who can put together a
good game plan, but when the game starts, they don't
know how.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
To call plays.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Okay, all right, that's like having a defensive coordinator who calls,
I am an NFL EVET.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
We're gonna call You do know I'm an NFL VET.
You do know that. I've been around offensive coordinators too.
I'm not a quarterback, but I'm pretty I'm pretty learning.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
And you've never been around a defensive coordinator who couldn't
call good defense?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, didn't know what was coming. I wouldn't say couldn't
call put you in a bad spot? Well, I would
say most most head coaches are delegators of duties, That's
what I would say. And if you want to not
delegate play calling because you trust your play calling instincts better,
or take over during the course of a game because
you feel like you can make a difference more so
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than what the OC is doing, sure, I've been around
o c's and DC's that been that way. I've been
around head coaches that way. What you mean, where are
you going with this? What do you mean? What am
I saying?
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Well, you're not even answering the question. Have you not
been with the defensive coordinator where.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
You're, like you said, it couldn't keep I don't. I
don't know that I've ever been around a coordinator that
couldn't call plays, or or a head coach that couldn't
call plays.
Speaker 6 (50:27):
I mean, you've never been with a defensive cornator you
thought was bad at calling defenses?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Well, I thought they were bad coordinators.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
But I mean that's what I would say, that they
couldn't call plays, they called plays. They got the job. Okay,
how many people get a coordinator's job at the NFL level,
at the pro level. I mean's there's only so many jobs.
There's all. You got to go through a very very
extensive process, from what it looks like, to get these positions.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
They had to do something right to get there. They
had to do something right. What did they do right?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Because I don't know, I mean, maybe I just don't know.
Maybe I'm just ignorant to it.
Speaker 6 (51:03):
Apparently you don't because like Kevin Patulo, did he do
a good job Philly?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Obviously not one job? Yeah? Then he got fired.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Like yeah, let's give this guy try it doesn't work
out well, okay, Like, well.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
That opens up a larger Then that opens up a
larger conversation because it all the time. Then that opens
up a larger conversation because to me, you gotta be
good enough to be able to get the job, to
met enough to get away from any of their ability
to get the job or what their job is when
they become an OC. But the reality is, LeVar, if
you're not calling place, the title isn't as powerful. It's
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just not do you hear what this young man is
doing to me? Right now? All right, let's move on.
Let's move on this younger generation of guys. Man, I'm
telling you, they different, They different, Come on, man.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
I mean to that point though, if the head coach
is calling plays, yes, thank you, man, I would sit here.
So let's have some well, let's have some sense edit
the for for example, Kyle Shannan's lost a bunch of coordinators.
Sean McVay has lost a bunch of coordinators. If you
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know Declan Doyle leaves. You know Ben Johnson still calls
the plays. There would be a significant influence of the
coach on the offensive structure and success.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Yeah, Detroit, there was the same team this year. They
lost Ben Johnson, right, he was actually calling plays. He
goes to Chicago. Are they the same same team as
last year? No, Ben Johnson's calling plays. He happens to
be really good at it. It makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
My god, I just I'm done. I'm done. I don't
want to talk to you anymore for this segment. That's fine,
I'm done. Do I have a livery I'm going to
prepare for my life. That's no. You should. We've ran
long on the segment. Take us to break down. Sometimes
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toilet paper. But if you ever wiped in wonder is
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Speaker 5 (53:18):
You can at least answer that before he goes.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I think he comes back.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
It sounds like he wants to come back. That was
the only damn thing we're trying to get from the
combo of LeVar hijacked it.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, I don't know why levars Patrick Mahomes so much.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Why does he hate Travis Kelsey so much? He's taking
a show.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I know what this is because of the trade we made.
Hey man, we traded Patrick Mahomes for Babe Ruth.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
When y'all do I hate when y'all do this. What
go to break? Man to break? Go to break? And yes,
he's getting his offensive coordinator back. He's going to come
back and have a great year, all right. They're going
to be a productive offense, score more points, average, more yards.
Speaker 5 (54:02):
You know, Patrick Mahomes will be back healthy for week one.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Don't matter. It'll be good because there will be enemies back.
We will.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
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are sitting next to Steve Jobs and Elvis President.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
How about that. How about that lover, lover and a creator.
That's that's what my personality breakdown came back with. You
didn't know that, did you? Yeah? I just wondered, like
am I a narciss city? So I took one of
those personality surveys yesterday.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
What does that entail?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Like, what do you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
What do you have to do?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It was like I looked it up and it's online.
It was online.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Deal, Like if you look up your love language or
your house of hufflepuff or something.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like like, it can help you to like figure out
how to improve your you know, like your daily movement,
like if you need more structure in your life or
you know, more of this less of that, you know,
type of deal and what to come back as, I'm
a lover and a creator?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Okay, yeah, I mean you've got how many kids?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Five?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Five?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I would say that equates to being a lot. I mean,
I agreed, but what to tell you that?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
The hardest thing I had to accept was the celebrity
comparisons like my what is it? My survey? My answers
aligned with Steve Jobs as the creator, which I'm okay
with He's was he on the spectrum, and he might
have been I might be on spectrum, bro and then
uh and Elvis Presley as the lover I was. I
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was like, I mean, I couldn't have things going on there.
It couldn't have been Martin Luther the King or you know,
Malcolm the X. You know, I mean like they they
put me on the opposite end, you know, I was.
I was going for like, you know, kind of civil
rights leader or something to that effect. Yeah, you know,
(03:13):
the Donald said it was it was.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It was a boozehound and something else a lover.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Well, Steve Jobs was never formally diagnosed. Many people and
experts do believe that he showed traits of being on
the autism spectrum and having aspergers.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, well, there you go for Maybe he was just
smart than man. I do feel like I'm alone sometimes.
I'll tell you that. That's why I stay to myself.
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It feels like they're alone right now, probably Kean Coleman.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, great, great second that I mean, when you when
your owner throws you under the bus like that.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
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Speaker 2 (04:15):
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wipe that he use?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
He go right with it.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, that was something yesterday.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Terry Poula, the owner of the Buffalo Bills and Brandon mean,
I can't say.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Conference before we put the sound. Can I just throw
this out there? Are we to the point where we
got some of these owners that are getting so old
you're like, oh no, they're having those senior moments.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I feel like they're getting so old and times have
changed so much. They're so disconnected from how soft this
this day and age is that they don't care more.
Most old hits don't care anyway. But now the politically
the being politically correct phase of of of doing things
(05:01):
with old hits, it's gone. It's gone. They don't even
care no more. Terry don't even care, Like, Hey, I'm
gonna shoot you straight. I own banguitting at all, and
y'all gonna stop ratting on my GM like that because
that's my guy.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, I could go kick a rock so much so
he promoted him now. Yesterday, amongst a bunch of questions
about you know, Sean McDermott's firing, et cetera, et cetera,
the question was posed to Brandon Bean about the situation
with Keon Coleman, who they drafted and it just hasn't
worked out. He was benched. There's been a lot of
(05:40):
off the field stuff with him. He's not showing up
on time, so on and so forth. I think there's
been some fines that have been handed out as well too,
and so they've been asking, you know what, what's really
gone on with this? Your fingerprints are all over this
move in drafting Keon Coleman. And then yes, and then
Terry Pegula decided, you know what, I don't need to
(06:02):
use my blinker all merged right into this lane and
take this.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean rupt, I'll address the Keon situation. The
coaching staff pushed to draft Kon. I'm not saying Brandon
wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice.
That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice
of his coaching staff who felt strongly about the player,
(06:32):
and he's taken, for some reason heat over it and
not saying a word about it. But I'm here to
tell you the true story.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Now, there's a couple of problems with that true story,
all right. Number one, that player is still on your roster.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, you didn't, you didn't say.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Number two, there's audio and video at the combine of
Brandon Bean saying I'm glad Keon Coleman's forty was a
little bit disappointing because that way to help me draft him.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yeah, so clearly he wanted him. Do we have the
sound pat, Yes? Oh yeah, okay, thanks, Llan, can just
play it. I just you got to contrast these two.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Basically, when I went to bed that night, I was like,
it's it's Keon unless someone just blows us away.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
We didn't feel anything was attractive enough for us to
pass up on.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Key On all considerable things, considerably get the guy's Yeah,
so Sepsted.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And this might be obvious.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
That's so tomorrow, we're.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Just gonna keep trading Auti.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Orena get fourteen fifths.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Barring someone offering us something stupid, We'll take Keon cool Man. Yeah,
it's a little damning typing Danny.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
They literally made a video about Brandon being making the selection.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, it's a little damn And you know what's crazy.
Chiom was if y'all remember, he was like the biggest
personality the media, sweetheart, the promotion, sweetheart, commercial sweetheart going
into the season, like right after he got drafted, he
he got he blew up super like, was super popular,
was in the media all the time, like people loved
(08:28):
him like they I mean, the perception of him was
his Q rating was really.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I This just tells me how much Josh Allen has
covered up things in that organization that maybe we weren't
aware of. Because Terry Bacoola sounds like Woody Johnson. He
sounds like the Jets.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Don't talk about my boy like that. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Hold on, now, don't go that far right this, hold
don't go that far if you're a Jets fan, and
if you're a Jets fan.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Of look, I ain't gonna go in in the up round.
And hey, I heard Jonas was was going after me.
Well I can't.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
If you ever want to make sure I covered off.
If you ever wondered as a Jets fan what it
would be like playing the Bills twice a year to
have Josh Allen as your quarterback. Well, this is what
it's like, Like, this is what it would look like
if Josh Allen was your quarter.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, you're in trouble unless it's the playoffs. Such a
bad look.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well yeah, it's not only as what do they know
about that?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
It's a terrible look.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
And what makes things worse is like I was looking
back on just like what mcdermot's done during his tenure there,
I'm like, all right, this is interesting. I mean, he's
got the third highest winning percentage of an active head coach.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
He only missed the playoffs. Once we talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Do you know his winning percentage is fifteenth whole time
amongst head coaches.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
In NFL history. Like, he's been really, really good.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
They just haven't been able to kind of like crack
that seal. And I kind of go back to this
discussion we had yesterday because LeVar, you wanted to associate
the record with the team, and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You I love, like trying to make sure that you
prove what I'd say is wrong. Guy, You no tellus,
tell us what you're.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Thinking, Brady, what I'm what I'm thinking is like McDermott,
who is directly associated with it, he gets clipped, and meanwhile,
then Brandon Bean gets credit for it.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And meanwhile you've got an owner who's sitting there.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Like lambasting the fact that they took Keon Coleman because
the coaching staff. Meanwhile, we've got evidence otherwise. I just
looked and go like, it's just it's always to me
about the ability for whoever gets that owner's ear. And
there's other examples of this within organizations where there's dysfunction,
(10:55):
but someone's got the rich guy's ear and somehow, even
though again there's evident it's otherwise, he's like brainwashed or
he's talked into thinking that, like Yo, no, no I
was shot Mac Difference pick. Yeah, I wasn't. It wasn't Brandon's.
It's like, no, it was it was Brandon's. That's his job.
That's exactly who's pick it was. And not only doesn't
(11:15):
I can fire you, it's promoted.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I look at it and go, I wonder if candidates
who are now looking at that opening. Joe Brady who
interviewed yesterday, and there'll be some others as attractive as
it is because of Josh Allen looking at it and go,
maybe there's a little more there.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
To Jonas's point, maybe it's not.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
As functional as as we thought, just because their success
and it kind of pairs similarly similarly to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
In away right.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh, I was going to say in the hardball situation,
I mean, but yeah, Pittsburgh as well. And by the way,
I was on the throne using a dude, like when
Brady shot the whole, you know, to stray on me yesterday,
I caught that friendly fire yesterday it was okay, what
do you mean it was a catch? I was like,
I was, it was booty minting myself when I got
(12:05):
let me when I caught me straight on a tangent.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
So I was texting with Blandino and I said.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
To him, I go, I go, hey, by the way,
I go, you initially told me when they were up
in Seattle for the game that you thought it was
a catch. He said, yeah, I go, what happened when
Tom looked at it and tell you it wasn't a catch?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So you just changed your opinion? He goes, samn, He's
He's like, not quite. I go, okay, what was it,
he goes, I just I don't know. I goes.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
I felt like there's another angle of it, and I said, okay,
that's fair, that's fine, But I go that angle didn't
really show it.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
From this cyber it seems like there's more body control.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Whatever I was, that was that was more than like
I'm I'm Booty Minting and I get it. I catch
it straight from Brady it was a catch. There's the
different since I sent.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You, I'm the only one.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I'm the only one that said it was a catch,
by the way, So I'm it's a whole hold on.
I'm okay with being wrong. I really am. Like I
had moved on from it what I said to you.
I know that toilet caught what I threw. I was
one hundred four hundred. I was one hundred percent completely touchdown, touchdown,
(13:15):
touchdown again, Like.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
My whole thing was whatever they call him, the field
was what it was going to be. That was.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That was ultimately I kind of felt about that play,
and I agree with that one hundred percent. I agree
with that because ultimately, in my estimation, it ultimately comes
down to a judgment call in that moment because your
reasoning wasn't wrong, Well it was. I don't think that
your reasoning.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Was incourage judgment call that got Sean McDermot fired.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I mean, if you want to look back on it,
like if the Bills win that game, I don't know
that he's getting fired.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I don't disagree with that, but I will say
that now listening to the way Terry is discussing like
he's in defense mode. It sounds like they're in defense mode.
And in Buffalo, maybe again, you guys said it yesterday,
Maybe the hat writing was on the wall, you know,
(14:14):
and maybe it was super Bowl or Bus, which I
thought this year for Buffalo was super Bowl or Bus.
And then once we got closer to the playoffs and
you saw how things were were kind of shaping up
at one hundred percent went up that it should be
a super Bowl or Bus year for Buffalo. No reason.
(14:38):
You can't give a real reason as to why a
Josh Allen led team wouldn't be in pole position to
get the Super Bowl this season this year, So I
don't Maybe he does save his job, but if we're
going to base it off of a play, it's hard
(14:58):
for me to accept that a play was the reason
why that man lost his job, which it has happened.
I mean, it's not like it's not something that's happened
in the past. But I just find that one hard.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Terry Pegoula did address why Sean McDermott was fired, and
he'd like to push back on that notion that it
was about a bad call in a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I did not fire a coach based on a bad
officiating decision. If I can take you into that locker room,
I felt like we hit the proverbial playoff wall year
after year, thirteen seconds, miss field goals, the catch. I
just sensed in that locker room, like, where do we
(15:39):
go from here?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Is it super Bowl or bust? Because in twenty twenty six, no,
we can't.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
We can't say that to somebody coming in. We were
making a change, and you know, it's do your best job.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Good isn't good enough anymore? I mean I think we
all know that. The I mean the clarity of that,
and I'll let you all have a Baseball isn't good
enough anymore?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
But baseball used to be you hit singles, doubles, get
on base, you get the runner home. It's it's home
runs or strikeouts. That's why even baseball has become Yeah,
so you can't convince me that whoever gets the head
coaching job, especially if they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You know, the Terry boogol is gonna be like.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Oh, well, this doesn't feel good. This feels like a
step back. Yeah, dude, Yeah, like you got it took
for granted the fact that you're in the playoffs every
year when mcdermo's there, just because youre go don't get
to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Here's what I think.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
There's an element of here, and people may take an
issue with this. I'm just gonna say it, Okay, it
takes some luck. I think there's a lot of successful
people out there who believe that what they've done to
get where they're at is all things they've done. It's
hard work, it's dedication, sacrifice, blah blah blah, it's talent.
(16:52):
It's a little luck too, if we're being honest with
like about a lot of it. It's it's probably more
luck then people like to actually like to admit, you
got a call that went your way, your team stayed healthy.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
You know, there's other things that play a factor into that.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
But The truth is, like luck plays a much bigger
role in all of us. Do you not think the
Denver broncos I's sitting there going, dang, dude.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
How unlucky are we that?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Like boat knicks after playing a great game and the
second to last play it breaks his ankle out of there,
Like you get to this point here and you basically
have the dude who hopes you win the game breaks
his ankle.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Now you got a backup. Playing the AFC.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Championship game like that is not anything other than just
sheer luck.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Either have it or you don't.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
And for those teams that have had in this special season,
you could look back on a lot of different moments,
plenty of moments and say, yeah, there's some luck involved.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
And by the way, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Like people act like it discredits people's accomplishments. Like you
read through things about these titans who build up different
industries Bill Gates, go look at where Bill Gates was
born and when he was born. If he wasn't in
that exact scenario, probably doesn't make Sun Microsystems, which eventually
(18:16):
becomes Microsoft. And he eventually becomes this billionaire one of
the most powerful men in the world because of where
he grew up, the resources that he had, the access
to what he had at that time. If he was
born sooner wouldn't have had access to it at that moment.
If he was born somewhere else, probably wouldn't have had
a computer system one of the first ever to go
to when he was in Seattle. There's all sorts of
(18:38):
examples of this like throughout time and life, but we
tend to just be like.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, no, it was me, it was this, it was that,
and that was no, it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Dude, Like the part of it was just sheer luck.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
And I feel like there's a little bit of a
little bit of that at play here where if you
look at just the unluckiness of even Buffalo and the
call that took place, if that calls a catch, they
win the game. So I don't know, man, I just
I've listened to all this stuff from Terpegol and I
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Speaker 4 (21:46):
Hey, By the way, there's a good clam chowder in
San Francisco there.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I just had some clam chowder yesterday. Did you like
real clam chowder with like the clamshale and everything, Like
the clam wasn't even removed from the clam ship.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Brady's gonna blow chunks right now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's really good, man, it's really good.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Why do you guy exactly like clam chowder?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Saltan pearl good.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I don't trust jonas being honest about this.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I like clam chowder.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Actually, so a fisherman's wharf in San Francisco. They have
a sour It was like a it does it does?
It does have a little smell to it.
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It's a Boudine place, right, It's called like this.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I thought you said something else.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Whoa no, no, no poutinees what goes over like friess.
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I like my version of what I thought it was
poteae a Canadian French thing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think it's a French thing. I'll double check because
then they have.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Yeah, but New Orleans has fre and influence.
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That's why they called him. I think it's a French
so good. I mean, there's the French in Canada and
he was always chasing the poutine.
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Yeah by the yeah.
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So it's there's problems, man.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
There's a first meet in Quebec, Montreal, like the bacon baby.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
So there's a sourdough bread balled fisherman's wharf with some
good clam chowder.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Why are you saying we acting? Why can't we like
clam chowder?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Because the way the way you're saying it right now,
and now he's throwing in sour dough and there's a
whole yeast thing. I mean, we got here's the thing
is larenas sour dough. She knows what I'm talking about.
See she's laughing because it's the whole starter yeast thing.
I just you guys are off, yes, yes, problems.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Man, So you're heading down the lane and actions like.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I'm actually being honest about how you make sourdo bread
at the moment and like you guys are twisting it.
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Into your just right in the gutter. I've been jerking
the wheel right now.
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Yeah, oh my goodness, this is off.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
The rails, man, it is good.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Look man, hey, you got you got to go through
some yuse to get.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
To the dough, you know. Oh man, Okay, all right,
so thank you. I'm made out and leave it up
to Jonas to get that one awkward moment to ruin
the whole bit what.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
He always he always acts like he's not a part of.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
This little.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Good to get to the dough.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Mess.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
You.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
How many guys are driving around going.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah he's right, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Ain't guys tell him truth this morning?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, keep it real, all right?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
So what's the latest on this, uh darien mensa crap?
Is he gonna be able to transfer and get to
Miami or is this gonna be uh?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Are we gonna play this whole.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Thing like he's still in the east of it.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
What's I mean, you know, LeVar, the yust you could
do is is I have a real conversation here.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well at who's going to have an explanation for it?
All right?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So so what do we got here on on Darien Mensa.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
He's been uh, he's been deemed to enter the transfer portal. However,
he cannot enroll or play football at another school right
now until a judge rules on Duke's request for an
injunction that would prevent him from leaving Duke.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
So that's where we are at at this point. I
believe he's entered.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
The transfer portal with a do not contact designation. For
those of you that don't understand what that means. Typically
when a player enters the transfer portal, they enter and
if you know, their contact information goes out, teams can
start contacting them.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
But some cannencer with it do not contact.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
And if you ever thought that there wasn't tampering going on,
this is a surefire sign that there is, because why
would you enter into to transfer another school then tell
them that everyone that no one can contact you, especially
if you just entered like, how would you know?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
You haven't talked to enough teams.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Out there, But usually this means that there's already been
a team that he has selected.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
How that came about? Not sure? Luck, okay, not lucky.
Like the other thing, there was probably at yeast a
conversation that a cured was illegal, so.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That it was a hug, them hugs and them embraces.
There they gotta go. You'll never see them after the
games anymore. If I like, sportsmanship is done, postgame sportsmanship,
pregame sportsmanship done. You can't talk to your friend. I
(27:20):
know y'all went to high school together. You can't talk
to them if y'all want to do it on your
own time. Y'all want to be on cell phones and
stuff like that. We can't stop that. But on this field,
ain't no shaking hands, ain't no hugs.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Warm embraces, because everybody's recruiting.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Everybody's recruiting.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I've seen it with my own two eyes, and it's wild.
It's wild, how how blatant it is too. Wasn't didn't
Lincoln Riley get accused of that? Wasn't he doing something
postgames with somebody off.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Offered a player a million dollars.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
What a sport which didn't end up happening, and I
don't know, might have helped them in a specific game
that you know longer.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Has to play anymore.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I think what's interesting about this is it's going to
as we I always like to say, from a legal perspective,
it's going to set a precedent in one way or another.
We keep looking for Congress to get involved, to create
antitrust protections for some of these universities so they can
have some sort of enforceable rules, since a collective bargain
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agreement doesn't seem like it's anywhere close to happening.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
If that's the case, I just I look at it.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I say, I feel bad in a way for the players,
only because you know he's going to be subject to
a lot of scrutiny and when he gets to Miami,
the expectations are high, which I think he realizes that.
But it's the system that's been set up and that
they're living in. It's not the one that they choose.
Like this isn't how Darien Mensa would like to handle this.
(28:52):
But if you don't think that, you wouldn't want to
go to another school that you feel like has a
better chance of winning a national championship, is going to
compensate you more for what you do.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You're out of your damn mind.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Like, don't be critical of these kids. You don't know
their background. You don't know what the shelf life is
for how long they're.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Going to be able to play. He's had a serious
arm injury.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Like There's elements too, like how teams will view him
once he gets to the combine and he would eventually
goes on in the NFL level in the draft. I
don't know what that means for his career, but I'm
surely not going to judge him for probably taking the
advice of those advising him, which is a whole separate
issue for trying to, you know, find a place that's
gonna pay him more and let him go try to
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win a national championship. I know it looks and maybe
sounds wrong in some ways, but it's the nature of
where we're at in college football.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Crazy. Once again, we're to a place where all the
information that's available villainizes the athlete. We're not saying, hey, dude,
just let the kid the kid he doesn't want to
be there anymore. Lick your wombs, take your lumps, move on.
(30:05):
You're an amazing traditional university higher like super higher level
of education learning institution at Duke.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Like.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Relax, it's one person, it's one player. Okay, you don't
want them there. You feel slighted. Oh you know what,
some type of compensation. I get it, But injunctions that
he can't leave, you're not allowed to leave, you're gonna
play here or you're not playing anywhere. Someone needs to
(30:42):
have their ass whipped over this. That is a college
hold on, hold on student athlete if he wants to
go somewhere else and utilize the portal, even if your
contract says what it says, just negotiate the severance, negotiate
(31:08):
the parting of ways. I have no problem if the conversations.
When I heard the Georgia lawsuit, I thought it was
egregious to say he has to pay back moneies that
haven't been paid to him. But in a way, if
you think about it, if the kid is leaving to
go get more money somewhere else, if that is indeed
what it is that they're leaving for, and it's not
(31:30):
just because well, for me, I can go here and
have a chance to win a national title, whatever it is.
But Georgia does give you a chance to win a
national title, so maybe you can't use that as an excuse.
But if for some reason you're leaving because you're getting
more money, I can understand Georgia is saying, well, we
want to be compensated because basically you used us to
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be able to get that.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But if you're telling me, and this is what sounds like,
correct me if I'm wrong, Duke is like, we don't
want you leaving and we don't want you playing if
you're not doing it at Duke, that's wrong. That's that's wrong, man.
That's take take a take a buyout agreement, whatever it
(32:14):
may be. Maybe that's where college football is hitting. If
you go into the transfer portal and you're one of
these high end because we're really talking about a top
what one percent, it probably won't go out one percent
of the athletes I had this type of command anyway,
still buy out.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You know what's interesting, Jonas, I know you don't follow
English Premier League soccer, but you said yesterday it's not true.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Well okay, and maybe it's not to I never hear
you talk about it.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Leads what some some teams like you can loan out
players right like you can. There's different mechanisms that are
in place that are in professional leagues elsewhere, and I
wish college football would look at that because I do
feel like there's a model that could help support all
of this, and the EPL model with the lower tier
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leagues two would make a lot of sense for college football.
It would reward those programs that maybe aren't viewed as
blue blood, that they don't have as much cash and
so forth for their success and.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Allow them to get promoted.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And it would relegate programs that I mean not trying
to hate on Rutgers, just saying I haven't really played
much of a factor in a lot off. I mean,
you could pick your school that hasn't really been able
to hold up. It's part of the bill in some
of these bigger conferences, and if they get relegated down,
so be it. They have the opportunity to get promoted
back up. But to me, that would be a much
(33:40):
better model for college football. And I've always said, just
from my time going over there to watch those games,
that is the closest thing in America to what they
experienced there as far as the culture, the fandom, the
fanatics that are around the game, and really, quite frankly,
the way this is set up, it would be the
(34:02):
easiest way to handle situations like.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
This, It really would. We don't have enough time.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
We got to hit the break.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
But I'm just saying I wish someone would take a
deeper dive and look at saying maybe this is something
we could we should have in American sports there's some
sort of promotion relegation model, because we don't.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Have it right now. When they bring you on, just
make sure I'm with you. I'm with you, you know. That's
that's all I said. Just make sure I'm like your
special partner. Can't counsel, you know, because we can go
through the yeast to get to the dough together in this.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Just let me know, speaking of lead, sure did get
full of that yeast over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Huh huhdang talking about this they did? Right, look that up.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
No, let me look it up.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I don't have Wi Fi.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
And this is a great goal.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It so silly, bro.
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So big time?
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in the second You know how bad my bracket was?
A team I had picked in the final, didn't score
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Down to him and Andy Furman and ultimately uh Rose
gets a Now that being said, there's been a lot
of speculation about what the future of Travis Kelsey is
going to be, and uh he had some thoughts on
his podcast about the recent edition of Eric Benemy, who
(38:16):
was back. Eric Benemy spent one season with the Bears
as their running backs coach, and Matt Naggi is moving
on Eric b Enemy's back of the building as oc.
So let's take a listen to Travis Kelsey's response.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I think it's great.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
I think it's a marriage is going to pick up
right where it left off. Eb and who he is
as a as a coach. You can see kind of
his personality, what he brings to his table in that
Chicago team.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I know Ben Johnson has his own version of that.
Speaker 11 (38:43):
He's a very tough guy and what he did in
Detroit he brought over as well. And you can see
those running backs over Chicago and their their body of
work was was definitely Eric b Enemy style.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Of football man, and hell yeah, I can't wait to see.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Him back in the building.
Speaker 11 (38:58):
Man, He's one of He's one of my favorite coaches
of all time, one of my favorite people of all time.
I've had so many unbelievable, you know, growing moments under
him as a as a player, as a person, and
I just love the guy and it's gonna be awesome
to see him back in the building and see him back.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
We're in the Chiefs logo, baby, So there we go.
I was excited to see him back, which they haven't
been a good offense since he left. I know everybody
gave Andy Reid the credit for calling the plays, but
he was there and I think he played a major role.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Didn't won a Super Bowl after he left, well.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I mean a lot of people would debate that it
was based upon their defense and now their defense played
and how they have played. I mean, I'm just being
out there.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
The enemy was doing well like he left, Like, here's
the reality. The enemy didn't do well. The Chiefs won
a Super Bowl? Like can we stop?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Like, I'm just could the reunion be? People can have
opinions outside to yours. Pretty okay, true, Well, in your estimation,
it wasn't true. A lot of people would say a
lot of people would say spagnol Le and that defense
was the catalyst of that team success. That's not a
that's not a that's my truth. How about I hope.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Patrick Mahomes go somewhere else so we can really see
that Steve Spagnola defense.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, I mean he did go somewhere else because he
hasn't been to Patrick Mahomes that was there early on,
He hasn't been. He wasn't that guy this year, last year,
he wasn't that guy the year before.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
He was hurt.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Oh okay, all right, well there you go, he's hurt.
There you go like that. That makes it all better.
That makes it all better. Patrick Mahomes was hurt and
and that's it, Like okay, But what I do know
is Eric b Enemy had a bigger impact on that
offense than what he was given credit for. That's what
I do know. How about that great they won a
(40:54):
super Bowl. I'm totally aware of the fact that they
won a super Bowl, and I'm totally aware of the
fact that the catalyst of their team has been their defense,
and whether people want to give them that credit or not,
they haven't been the same since Eric b Enemy and
the Cheeta left that team done. That's my that's that's
my take on it. Now you could come in and
(41:15):
say what reality is from your reality, but my reality
is a little different than yours. And that's okay. It's
an old book. Just take a look. It's reading Rainbow.
There you go, my reading Rainbow. That break. So my opinion, look,
he didn't went to AI. Let me go to AI.
(41:35):
Let me let me go to AI. I'm not going
to You're in there, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
My opinion is this is is a good marriage for
both Eric b Enemy and obviously some of the players,
guys like Travis Kelce who missed them and wanted him back.
To say that the Chiefs need him is completely false
and not true. They won a Super Bowl, they won
(42:02):
another AFC championship and lost in the Super Bowl without him.
This is the first year where you saw signs of struggles,
and I would say I'll be curious to see what
happens with their offense next years. As Eric Banamy left
and went for other opportunities, I don't think things worked
out in Washington.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
They didn't work out at UCLA. So it is what
it is.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
Like again, sometimes you know, it ends up being the
right fit at a certain spot for all parties involved,
and that could be what this is. So I know
Travis Kelse is excited about it. I think the bigger
take wasn't the Eric b Enemy take on this. It's
the fact that everyone thought Travis kels was going to retire,
and he alluded to the way he talked about it,
(42:48):
like he can't wait to see him in that building
and all that, Like, oh, all right, so you're coming back?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Then?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
That was I thought, actually the bigger take from the
SoundBite m because like every TV network wrote him off
like it was the last game he'd ever play, and
it kind of made it sound like maybe that's not
the case.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I My thing on the Travis Kelsey potential retirement was
I just wonder if he looks at it and says, man,
I don't want to go out without Patrick Mahomes, like I,
you know, I don't want, you know, my my last
catch as a chief to be from you know, Chris
Aladuke and I believe is his name, and that's no
(43:29):
shade on him, But I think Travis Kelsey has a
storybook potential storybook ending in his mind, he's got, he's
got his fantasy that he wants in his mind met
and that's with Patrick Mahomes on the field with him,
and he walks off and goes into the sunset because
you know, I think I don't think he battled the
injuries and was as banged up as he had been
(43:49):
in previous years. And so when you hear him in
the way he talks about Eric b Enemy, it's like, Okay, well, yeah,
maybe the window does open. Maybe Patrick Mahomes starts the
season on the pup list and maybe there's an opportunity
for him there. It also, you know, would indicate that
apparently things weren't weren't great with Matt Naggy. He's now
interviewing as the OC and Philly when he was up
for the head coaching job in Tennessee and there's not
(44:11):
a pathroom to get back to Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
So coaches go different places and underperform all the time
after having success somewhere prior to that happens. That's not unique.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Sure, unique Mahomes quarterback. I would love to call plays
for Patrick.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Sure, once he became Patrick Mahomes, I can make a
bad play call, And I know he's good enough to
overcome that. Well, the same nag tell the truth about it,
Like Naggy did not get the same results as as
airby enemy as the offensive coordinator. Well, yeah he did,
because they didn't. They were ranked, they won a super Bowl,
(44:48):
they went the two. What's their ranking under Naggy? What
what's their offensive rankings?
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Does it matter if they win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yes, because there's a reason why.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Okay, okay, so so, Trent, here's the Let's put Dilpourh
in the Hall of Fame, Like, hey, y'all won the
Super Bowl. Trent, you're in the Hall of Fame too.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
Everything he's always got a Super Bowl, He's always got
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
He does he always one of the greatest defenses in
the history of the game. Let's put Vince there. Let's
put h McMahon in there. Like let's wrong, let's go
back to eighty five, Like, let's put McMahon in.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Cocky QB known as it's a great argument when you
use only two cases in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
If you if you did that the other day, q
I learned from the best. You're gonna give me Indiana
as well. It was a basketball school. Yeah, okay, great,
you gave me one example. I'm giving you too. I
beat you by one. What are you talking about when
we were discussing the Duke Blue Devils being a football
(45:52):
school and you used Indiana as an example as well,
they are considered to be a football or basketball school
as well.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I mean I said you gave me one extreme example.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I gave you two extreme examples. I'm not not hiding
from that. But nonetheless, Trent Dilfer and what what's what's
what's McMahon's first day. You're saying at this point, Jim McMahon,
Jim McMahon, there you go or not? I mean you're saying, oh,
you got Patrick Mahomes. That's you're going to win a
Super Bowl? Like, let's just go away work and go
full circle here.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Okay, So in factful as a play caller, okay, that
he's now interviewing for other offensive coordinator jobs.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
No, it's not fair.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
I mean because Andy Reid, that's the reality of it.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
The funny thing about your argument is you're trying to
make an argue about who the O C is as
if it matters. Reid still calls the plays. Bro that's
why Eric Banemy wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
It doesn't. Okay, So there's no contribution to the success
of the offense, because.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
Sure, sure there's contribution. I'm not trying to be little
what they're doing. But if Andy Reid calls the plays,
no different than Kyle shanahan, No that different than Sean McVay,
no different than Kevin O'Connell. Do you think the offensive
coordinator position is as important if the guy who's actually
calling the plays is the head coach.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, it is important because of the structure, because of
the execution of it, the implementation of it, and here's
what I tell you is the personal relationships of it.
You can't sit there.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
You can't sit there in one instance and say, well,
you gotta give your giin me credit and.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Then not give Matt Naggie credit.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Then can you well, cat Naggy was not The offense
was not as productive under mcnaggy as it was under
Eric b enemy.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Right, who didn't call plays.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And by the way, there was times when it wasn't
as plea you're saying both of them didn't call plays. Correct, Okay,
So it doesn't matter right now.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
What you're making is that he's back, like he's gonna
make a difference.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
It's not gonna make a difference.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Their issue the pieces around Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I don't buy that. I don't buy that. And the
reason why I don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
Is but Chelsea isn't the same player.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
He is the same that I mean, he isn't he's older. Like,
that's fine. I don't. I don't have a problem with debating,
like there's no debate on Chelsea is old, Like it's
not he's not the same player. I get that. But
if you're telling me the impact of the o C
on Kansas City has no bearing on their success, I've
never said it doesn't hating You're no.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
It doesn't matter as much if he's not calling the plays.
It's different compared to other organizations with the head coach.
For example, John Harbaugh is the head coach of the
New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
You know what he's not gonna do, LeVar, He's okay.
Speaker 6 (48:47):
So don't you think the offensive coordator matters a little
bit more then well.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
In that category, in that instance, it matters more. Yes,
that's correct. You my god, But the behind the Saints
is just as important as the person who's calling the plays.
It's just as important, and it is. It is by
the way, the.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
Behind the scenes for both is the same.
Speaker 6 (49:10):
The differences those guys aren't the ones pulling the trigger
on game day, which has a significant importance. I've played
for plenty of offensive coordinators who can put together a
good game plan, but when the game starts, they don't
know how.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
To call plays.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Okay, all right, that's like having a defensive coordinator who calls,
I am an NFL EVET.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
We're gonna call You do know I'm an NFL VET.
You do know that. I've been around offensive coordinators too.
I'm not a quarterback, but I'm pretty I'm pretty learning.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
And you've never been around a defensive coordinator who couldn't
call good defense?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, didn't know what was coming. I wouldn't say couldn't
call put you in a bad spot? Well, I would
say most most head coaches are delegators of duties, That's
what I would say. And if you want to not
delegate play calling because you trust your play calling instincts better,
or take over during the course of a game because
you feel like you can make a difference more so
(50:05):
than what the OC is doing, sure, I've been around
o c's and DC's that been that way. I've been
around head coaches that way. What you mean, where are
you going with this? What do you mean? What am
I saying?
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Well, you're not even answering the question. Have you not
been with the defensive coordinator where.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
You're, like you said, it couldn't keep I don't. I
don't know that I've ever been around a coordinator that
couldn't call plays, or or a head coach that couldn't
call plays.
Speaker 6 (50:27):
I mean, you've never been with a defensive cornator you
thought was bad at calling defenses?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Well, I thought they were bad coordinators.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
But I mean that's what I would say, that they
couldn't call plays, they called plays. They got the job. Okay,
how many people get a coordinator's job at the NFL level,
at the pro level. I mean's there's only so many jobs.
There's all. You got to go through a very very
extensive process, from what it looks like, to get these positions.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
They had to do something right to get there. They
had to do something right. What did they do right?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Because I don't know, I mean, maybe I just don't know.
Maybe I'm just ignorant to it.
Speaker 6 (51:03):
Apparently you don't because like Kevin Patulo, did he do
a good job Philly?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Obviously not one job? Yeah? Then he got fired.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Like yeah, let's give this guy try it doesn't work
out well, okay, Like, well.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
That opens up a larger Then that opens up a
larger conversation because it all the time. Then that opens
up a larger conversation because to me, you gotta be
good enough to be able to get the job, to
met enough to get away from any of their ability
to get the job or what their job is when
they become an OC. But the reality is, LeVar, if
you're not calling place, the title isn't as powerful. It's
(51:38):
just not do you hear what this young man is
doing to me? Right now? All right, let's move on.
Let's move on this younger generation of guys. Man, I'm
telling you, they different, They different, Come on, man.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
I mean to that point though, if the head coach
is calling plays, yes, thank you, man, I would sit here.
So let's have some well, let's have some sense edit
the for for example, Kyle Shannan's lost a bunch of coordinators.
Sean McVay has lost a bunch of coordinators. If you
(52:10):
know Declan Doyle leaves. You know Ben Johnson still calls
the plays. There would be a significant influence of the
coach on the offensive structure and success.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Yeah, Detroit, there was the same team this year. They
lost Ben Johnson, right, he was actually calling plays. He
goes to Chicago. Are they the same same team as
last year? No, Ben Johnson's calling plays. He happens to
be really good at it. It makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
My god, I just I'm done. I'm done. I don't
want to talk to you anymore for this segment. That's fine,
I'm done. Do I have a livery I'm going to
prepare for my life. That's no. You should. We've ran
long on the segment. Take us to break down. Sometimes
(52:54):
you're the ass and sometimes you're the dry piece of
toilet paper. But if you ever wiped in wonder is
this as good as it gets?
Speaker 2 (53:01):
It's not.
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Speaker 5 (53:18):
You can at least answer that before he goes.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I think he comes back.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
It sounds like he wants to come back. That was
the only damn thing we're trying to get from the
combo of LeVar hijacked it.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, I don't know why levars Patrick Mahomes so much.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Why does he hate Travis Kelsey so much? He's taking
a show.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I know what this is because of the trade we made.
Hey man, we traded Patrick Mahomes for Babe Ruth.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
When y'all do I hate when y'all do this. What
go to break? Man to break? Go to break? And yes,
he's getting his offensive coordinator back. He's going to come
back and have a great year, all right. They're going
to be a productive offense, score more points, average, more yards.
Speaker 5 (54:02):
You know, Patrick Mahomes will be back healthy for week one.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Don't matter. It'll be good because there will be enemies back.
We will.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
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