November 21, 2024 • 53 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 5 (00:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Has it ever not been done live? What do you
mean you say live from doing live? I dope, go ahead,
jump on it. Good. It's a nice little set up show.
I wanted to make sure it was a nice little setup.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh yeah yeah before we took the show. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there was.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Ah that's why I just figure out throw it out there.
I mean, they have a little fun.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's actually live. We're not taping it.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
We're not taping. This isn't tape, not pre recorded.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Saying that's happened before? Is that?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean word on the street as I heard it's been.
I mean I heard sometimes you know, things people run amok,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, you just gotta be careful.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm just saying when you say it, I mean I
was just curious. Are you reiterating that now this show
is always live.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, you just gotta gotta be careful that you know,
there's no breaking news.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Hey, bro, I was driving home from I'm looking at
the news. I'm driving home from the airport the other day,
and a lady was on one of the metro platforms
giving herself like a splash, bath shower whatever, like little
bird bath. All in though, oh yeah, all in. I
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was blown away, Bro, I was blown away. I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I could not understand what I was looking at while
I was almost wrecked, almost wrecked, and not because in
a good way, just like in a like like did
I am I looking at this?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Am I seeing what I'm seeing? Like like just spinning
around like singing sugs everything. The body's a two story house.
You got to clean the downstairs bathroom, I mean, the
whole thing right there on the platform. And people. The
wild thing is the people who are catching the metros
that are sitting there waiting on the butt or the
(02:28):
train to come. They're just be sitting there like it's
like two different scenes taking place, but but they don't
fit together. Have you seeing the Gift of the guy?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
The homeless guy on the train in New York and
there's just a rat that crawls up his leg the
size of a badger, right Like the persons just filming
no thought to like, hey, why don't you get that
thing off? And the camera this thing just crawled up.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It might have been like his path that one that
one video where the dude was sleep under the the
blanket and they want to like go to help them
and feed them, and like a million rats ran up
out of there when they picked it up. Man, I
don't know, man, you got to be a different person
to live that life. Man on God, Yeah, like just
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to get that comfortable or just be that gone with
reality that you could just take a full out splash
bath right there right there.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know what is amazing about it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Though?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
What if they've got a phone, they could probably watch
the games on Christmas on Netflix?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Think about that? Wo? How did they be having phones?
By the way, can somebody answer that question? How can
you be dead as homeless? Like I'm not talking like
like in between, like I know, in between homes type homeless,
Like I get that, but like you like out there,
out there homeless. You got a phone, there's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Programs for that. Yeah, there's a lot of resources out there, buddy,
really resources.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh yeah, so there's resources to give you communication, but
can't give you a place to stay.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, it's at least trunk you can get luggage, you
can get what kind of stuff in there.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Then they charge them at McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
What do you mean, Oh, they charged the home.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, so they got to charge them somewhere.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I had a buddy told me that they some of
them should just go across the board and come back
over and then that way they could get some housing
from them. Right, it's not a bad idea. Hey, you
got fifteen minutes work on your accent.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's cold blooded, that's cold bloody.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It was a good idea.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I was like, all right, well, I'm not even trying
to make fun. It's just that, like this, this news
report made it pop up in my head for some reason.
I had to get that off my chest.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, that's that sounds like it's a less confusing situation
than the ten tie breaking scenario.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, let's go. For the first time in my life,
I'm actually rooting for Ohio State. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I tried to look at all, like the one time, only,
one time, and one time only. I tried to look
at Penn State's path to get there.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And I got dizzy. It's just the whole thing. And
then you start to see think about how ridiculous this is.
It took the Big Ten until what four PM was
a yesterday, Yeah, two days ago, yesterday. It took them
that long to figure out the tie breaking scenarios in
this eighteen team league that they're like, oh wait, no, yeah,
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Oregon's gonna be in the Big Ten championship game. We
can now definitively confirm that based on all of our
tie breaking scenarios. It's like, okay, I'm not saying we
need to rethink the eighteen team conference, but we do
have to point out some issues with it. The first
being like, if you look at Indiana's schedule. Indiana's schedule,
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they played like seven of the eight worst teams in
the Big Ten this year so far if you look
at their resume, and that's kind of the tough part
is if when you've got this many teams, you're not
going to have a level playing field in regards to
the nine conference games that you play. You know, for example,
I'm not taking a shot at Penn State. I feel
like they've played a more difficult schedule based on their
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strength and schedule than Indiana. That's there's no doubt about it.
But outside of Ohio State, if you look at Penn
State schedule leased in the Big Ten play, you're going, okay, like,
it's not that difficult the year you don't have to
play Michigan and and you can point to some other ones.
But even with some of the newcomers, right, you beat
USC out of USC, but that they're kind of down,
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got to avoid Oregon. But you start combing through this
and going, well, wait a second, man, Like the Indiana
schedule is not the same even as Penn States, like
they have coasted at this point and this could be there,
this will be their only tough game they play this year.
And now everyone's talking about how the how they lose
matters or how you know, obviously if they win, they win,
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but how they lose matters, which is kind of crazy
to think, but that's the reality of these eighteen team
super conferences.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Would would it be Indiana and Oregon in the championship
game if they beat Ohio State? Correct? Yeah, okay? And
then if if Ohio State beats Indiana, who's in it?
Is it Ohio State in a rematch with organ it
would then be on the same side.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Right yeah, well yeah, because they'd have tie breaking scenarios
over both Indiana and Penn State in that instance.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
See that's that's I see how I don't know, I guess.
So it's just buy record and by tiebreakers. So it's
Ohio State if they win, but if they lose, and
so it's one of those two teams that are going
to play against Oregon, I believe so.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Again because some of the tie breaking rules, there is
head to head that comes into play, so that eliminates
some of the teams that are tied, and then there's
like record versus common opponents all of stuff. But the biggest,
the biggest issue is just figuring out whether or not
Oregon had already clinched a ticket to the Big tenship.
So at least that was announced yesterday. So they come
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back the day later and they did relations guys.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But they play Washington on on Saturday. And while Washington
isn't a great team, they could. I mean their familiarity
of one another. Jeb is is is a confident guy
in terms of going against the guy he awarded that.
Jeb is confident.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Je He's a confident guy.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Don't you think he's a confident dud?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I do.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But they actually have two weeks to prepare for that one.
They don't play this week. They're on a bye so
that's their last that's Oregon. Yeah, they'll play, They'll play
Washington in two weeks. And uh, even though it's kind
of a rivalry of sorts been based on how the
games went last week or last year, excuse me, Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
That should be an awesome matchup.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So what happens?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What happens if Washington beats Oregon? Absolutely nothing? A yeah,
well yeah, Oregan's already clinched. They're already going to the
big But how does that work?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
If if Washington beats Oregon, there's a potential chance that
maybe it would matter if Indiana. No, because if India,
if Indiana wins there, they're going in.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Well, Penn State beat Washington.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Correct, But at that point you're talking about an eleven
to zero Indiana team right, Okay, but so there's no
confusing But look at it from this perspective.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
If Indiana beats Ohio State, Washington upsets Oregon, Penn State
wins out, who's in the gang.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's still Oregon and still Indiana. Indiana would be undefeated
in this scenario.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
What do you mean, how who would be undefeated Indiana
if and if Ohio State?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
No, no, you said Indiana.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Okay, So if Indiana loses, okay, if Indiana loses to
Ohio State, right, Washington beats organ Oregon loses, they all
have one they all have one loss.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Basically, Yeah, the difference is Ohio State has tie breaking
scenarios over Indiana and Penn State because they beat both
those schools.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But State have tiebreaker over Oregon because they beat Washington.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, but they've already clinched sos. They've already gone through
this scenario. That's what I'm trying to say. Hmm, okay,
I mean, so here's here's here's what would come down to.
It would come down to record verse common opponents, and
that instance, Oregon beat Ohio State, Penn State obviously lost
Ohio State. And then even though Washington would have, you know,
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that win over Oregon, and then Penn State would have
to win. That would kind of be like kind of
a wash there. And then they they I think there's
another like metric they look at, which I don't know
how they come up with it, but I believe it's
like the highest rank common opponent or something like that.
I don't have to go back through and look at it.
There's a lot like if you go look at the
Big Ten tie breaking scenarios, it's very elaborate. Again, so
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much so that it took them about three days this
week until they figured out Oregon clinched.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean, I'm assuming that there's going to be an
easier way to do all this next year, like that
they're going to get through this and we're going to
try and figure out.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know what eventually ends up happening, right, is as
the Big Ten continues to expand, the SEC continues to expand,
you find yourself in a world where you have divisions,
and it ends up being very similar to what we
see in the NFL. Right, you'll end up having instead
of you know, the four buys that are saved for
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the four highest rank conference champions it'll it'll end up
being somewhat similat to how we look at, you know,
a two conference system for a playoff. That world is approaching.
I don't know how long it's going to take us
to get there, but I think there's some frustration with
this current model. However, I will say this, if you
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look at the SEC, the SEC is going to get
the majority of the teams, or I should say they'll
get the most teams of any conference into the playoff.
So the SEC doesn't want to change it, right Like,
they don't want to be put into a world where
they might not get you know, six teams or five
teams in you know, they might only be able to
get four. They might not want to live in that world.
(12:21):
So there might not be a huge push from the
SEC from that perspective, and I think a lot of
people feel like there's been so much change with the
Big ten and everything else going on that maybe we're
just good with where we're at for the time being.
But that's one of the that's one of the reasons
why if you think about it from a money standpoint,
the SEC isn't incentivized to want this thing to change
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because they've got an advantage right now. And you look
how the Collegeotball Playoff Committee views their conference. You know,
look how many team I think it was what eight
or nine teams are ranked in the top twenty five
something like that. And then you know, you look at
the arguments being made for Georgia or for you know,
whoever says two losses or of Hage, they're sort of
three loss team get in. You look at all these
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different arguments. They're doing it for the SEC because they
feel like it's the strongest conference. Well, if that's the case,
you'd rather be able to keep a world or a
playoff where you're able to have the majority of the
teams make it in to represent that brand.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
This is going to be the second year in a
row that the Big tim wins the national title. So
I don't know, it's it's it's interesting how long the
ot Ohio State or it's going to be one of
those two teams that wins. It's going to.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Be one of the Ohio State center towards Achilles in practice. Yeah, well,
I would say Josh Simmons I would have said it
was the best till he got hurt. Now, Seth McLaughlan
him getting hurt at center. It hurts. I mean, the
good thing is played center last year, so he'll move
back into center. I believe Cearvel will move to left
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guard and they'll keep Donovan Jackson at a left tackle.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
It's just I mean, how many can you sustain and
still be able to play at a high level Ohio State?
Can they can absorb a few? A few more than most.
They've already absorbed a few. Yeah, they'll they'll continue as
one of those two teams that are going to win
the national type.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's what Breer was complaining about before the Penn State
came was the OLA. Yeah, they had to shift things then,
and they shifted Carson Hinsman, who again was last year's center,
and they ended up putting him at left guard next
to Donovan Jackson because Hinsman was center, Donovan Jackson was
left guard, so they had more experience playing next to
each other. So then you just bump each of them
out one spot, which seemed to work really well. So
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that model, that and that you know mode they were
going with actually worked out great. In fact, if you
looked at a lot of the numbers, they were running
more to that left side, even though it wasn't the
natural position for either of those two way more than before.
Before it was like very much balance. They were running
almost twenty percent of the time more to that left
side with Donovan Jackson and Carson Hinsman. So now that
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Hensman goes back to center, you know, you wonder how
he's gonna handle those responsibilities making all the calls and
you know, having an inexperienced guy or then played as
much together in between Donavan Jackson and him, So all
those little things matter, you know, when it comes down
to the battle on the trenches.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
By the way, how you tear your aco if you're
wearing two knee braces, guys going double down joy, it
could happen.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
How all that could happen. I mean, it certainly lessens
because it the way it stabilizes your knee, but it
could happen. It could happen because I mean, you'd be
bad all that weight, all that, all that movement going on,
and the triches that could happen.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
If I if I've got to go double knee brace,
I'm assuming that this is going to stop me or
prevent me from tearing my a cl'.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It's a lesser much greater chance that it does not
happen much greater, But can it happen? One you could
break those you can break one of those knee braces,
and those those circumstances, like if the right thing happens somebody,
you know, there's so many like times where guys get
hit from behind.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
What about when Joe Flaccov slid and the thing came up.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
On the side. I'm just saying that it can happen.
It can happen. It's not it's not a zero percent
chance that you get you you don't tear your your
a c L because you have on one of those
those knee braces. It can happen.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Now, at least we'll have Albert Brera. I'll give them
something to bitch about it.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Anyway, we're going to have a Big ten national title
holder for the second year straight, so we're gonna have
to revisit this whole best. I let it go yesterday
when we say SEC was the best uh conference in
college football. I'm you know, I think we'll have another
national title holder this year.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And I no, uh, I know, George's got two losses,
but if their receivers could ever figure it out, man,
my God, that team could be gonna be the best.
It's it's the most the most frustrating team to watch
on film and get I'm not trying to claim the
Carson Becks played perfect. He is not, but it is
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like that thing is a wet bar of soap sometimes
and those guys just cannot hang onto it. There was
a series where they had like a couple of there's
a catch and then it ended up being called I
believe in complete and the falling play it's like another
big play and as he's running downfield, the wide receiver fumbles.
Fortunately Georgia recovered. It's it's just they have been They're
tied for the for the lead in drops in the
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SEC and they have had the worst ball security and
inconsistency on offense of any of these top teams. It's like,
if the offense could rid out, they would be so good.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Well they better not that wet bar soap it and
the Sour would uh one of them big ten teams
in the championship playoff round. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Did you see one of the scenarios I saw. One
of the projections I saw was Georgia going to Penn
State in the first round. I don't want Yeah, that's
who the hell wants to see Georgia in the well.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Who wants to go on to Penn State and try
to win and other than Ohio State. In Michigan, we
can't even use Michigan. They're four lost team this year. Yeah,
they're down. I don't know that they're the same Michigan. No, no, no,
you don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I could definitely tell you that they're not right.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Okay, they're in nowhere.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
By the way, here's the other argument that like people
have been making on behalf of Indiana and I'm not
here to like say, hey, Indiana's schedule has been weak
and bulbla, I'm not here to say that. But let's
not go with the narrative of what we beat last
year's national champion and we beat last year's national runner up,
saying those things are completely meaningless. Like, let's use this
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logic if you're an Indiana Hoosiers fan or anyone who's
just trying to make that case. Michigan and Washington not
only are their rosters not even close to what they
were last year, they have new head coaches, new staffs too.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, so like everything has.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Changed and mind you, Indiana would be the first to
tell you that everything's changed, considering their roster turnover and
their new head coach. So like using this narrative of like, oh, well,
they were last year's national champion, they beat them, and
they beat last year's national Who cares that was last
year has no bearing whatsoever on this year. It is
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the dumbest thing that I've heard people try to use
as a narrative to pump up Indiana's schedule or strength
of schedule or lack thereof. It's like, dude, found but
coaches those players. But again a year later, like what
does any of that matter? Like if you watched Michigan
or Washington this year, you're watching them going they are
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nowhere close to what they were last year, not even close.
Why even use that? Like it almost makes it look
worse because it's like, all right, now you're really reaching,
like you're reaching for a narrative talking point instead of
just saying, you know what, we've been able to beat
the crap out of every team that we played this year,
and yeah, not as strong as a schedule we thought
so be it, but we got a big test this week.
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If we beat Ohio State the rest had Let's just
just go with that narrative. That's all that matters. Texas
have played a week ass schedule too. They're sitting up there,
what number three in the rankings, Like you don't hear
them trying to defend a bunch of like all that
kind of stuff, like, oh, well, you know, look at
we didn't play, look at last year's whatever. It's like,
just let the games play out, man, that's all we
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need to do.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
All they gotta do is win this weekend and everything.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's all matters.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, everything is on the table, period. It's all on
the table. So there you go.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
All right, you got it, Ie, you come on, come on, Gulie,
come on, let's do it. Do it for the ghost
of a Gulielie.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, good player, Prince.
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Speaker 3 (20:54):
By the way, you sent over you sent over the
video your dog, mister Stims. I was trying to find
one of those skills.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Still not as big as Genesis dead dog.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
No, he's not as big as as Boss Hog.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
By the way, I'm glad they brought that up. We
actually recently weighed him again three thirty five.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Dang. Yeah, so yeah, just us you dig him up? Yeah,
we did. Wuld you stuff them me?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We dug him up and we just kind of used whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
The just sort of buried.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
How long has your dog been dead? It's almost twenty
twenty five, mind you.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I believe the exact date was May nineteen, twenty fifty.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You buried him? No, I didn't bury him. What did
you do? You see where I live?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You think I got room from?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I don't know where you live where it's four hundred pounds?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
What did you do with them?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
What do you missaid by?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You just got rid of him?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Say goodbye?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Dang?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You think I gotta put him at a folder's canon?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean my dogs are cremated. Dresser, I just passed away.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
John, You didn't cremate your dog.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
They took him away and and just that was it.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
What do you mean they took him away? It was
like a group of like.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That comes to the house. You called animal control.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That doctor Patterson came to the house. Uh, he probably
put him in a black trash bag, was.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Like, and put him in the trash can.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's I didn't see it, so it didn't happen. Dang,
bro What it talks about, like how how you know
how close he was with his dog and that's how
it takes care. I got a tattoo of his popper,
and I did my part.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I buried a lot of my dogs I've had, like dog,
but my two favorites I creamated them. Yeah, they're they're
still with us in the house. Yeah. So we're taking
Dresser to the next you know, we got a dog
corner to come get them and everything. I helped load
them up. That was my first time facing facing death
(22:54):
of one.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Oh man, awful.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah it was. That was tore my heart out. But
let me tell you something, mister Sticks is easily my
favorite dog of all time. And I know a lot
of it has to do with Dresser and how that
all happened. But he bruh. Not only is he a
big dude, but he doesn't know he's big. So everything
(23:17):
that he does is small, you know, like he jumps
on your lap like he's a lap dog. He licks
your face and and their licks are way stronger than
just like the average lick. It's like a it's a
very like your whole like when they do that cartoon.
Now I know why the cartoonist would draw and their
whole face, like from where their jaw is would go
up to like where their forehead is, like because of
(23:39):
how strong the dog's tongue is. Like he's a I mean,
he is an impressive dude. Though I'll take Drew a lot.
He is a drooler. That's the only thing I don't like.
But at this point, yeah, not anymore. Man, He's turned
over a new leaf, new lee.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
One of the best things right now is h I've
stops snoring.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah right, No, No, that usually happens.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
To me, especially sleep apnea. Yeah yeah right. You think
you stop snoring? I mean that's what I've been told.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Do you feel like you're sleeping betterly?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Right now I'm sleeping awful, But uh I think I
will be.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Is that because of the withdrawals?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Maybe that's why you're not snoring it because you're not
what do you say?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And laughing? Brady, He's going through a tough time here.
He wants to be supportive. I don't think we're being
serious about that, are we?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean, are you struggling to sleep?
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Yeah, just because I'm still sweating a lot. Okay, maybe
the withdrawals you're through with it, was that that big
of a part of your life. Man, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Lee's livers like about time, buddy.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I'm just still sick. No, it's one or two things.
You're still going through the withdrawal process. No, not that,
or somebody's trying to take you up out of here.
I do that coffee I heard earlier. Thought I was blood.
I got I had to get the hell up out
of here, tuberculous.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do you believe at some point you were going through withdrawals.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
A little bit? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Okay, went.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
From a little bit. It's absolutely all right.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Although well, I'm just saying there's there's a portion of
it that was that, and then yes, there is some
part that is sick like right now, it's just the
remaining sickness.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Of Look, I think if I gave up coffee, i'd
get headaches, like I think because I've had to do it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I'm so anything like Pepsi's coffee, I have to take
preventive medication, because I get I get a migraine. It's
a wrap, it is a I'm talking fetal position, thumb
in the mouth, in the corner, pitch black. Don't say
a word to me. And still that's that's not enough.
(25:53):
Like you try to stop breathing, like you try to
slow your breathing down so much that air doesn't go
up into your note strools or your mouth and you
don't want it to touch your brain. And then you
start looking at windows like is this window opening me
jumping out of it? Is it better to do that
than oh, bro, bro, I don't know if you'll get migraines. No,
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because of the migraine. I mean the migraine. There's triggers. Nuts,
you know, nuts can do it a lot of migraines.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Huh, Pepsi's you stupid?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Uh, you stupid? Sure on with you man, square hats,
you know, let's go back to square pineapples, safe work,
Let's switch switch subjects. Okay, Pittsburgh for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It definitely is all right.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And as we mentioned earlier in Quinn's wins, uh, somehow,
some way, these Steelers are only a three and a
half point favorite on the road against the Browns. Cleveland
stinks like, I don't know what people thought they were
gonna get, whatever spark they were gonna get for Jameis Winston.
They got annihilated last week game.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Though divisional games are always tough, man.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
They are. He's not lying, man, we were not a
great team in nine. We're part of that oh to
seven record for Mike Tomlin. Man, my man, ten point underdogs.
You helped me out. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad we helped
that out. But the truth of the matter is, to
Lvar's point, divisional matchup, and every time I see these lines,
I'm always like, something's up right. It's like the NFL
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to me is like I really should should be betting
the other way on this because it's just one of
those weeks where you go, all right, is this gonna
continue on with Russell Wilson? Is it gonna be a
remain undefeated as their as their quarterback? At some point
is gonna slip up? And in the NFL oftentimes short
week road team, even though there's no time zone change,
it's not a long travel from Pittsburgh to Cleveland. Something happens. Man.
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I'm just telling you, I think it'll be a tight game,
but I think ultimately Pittsburgh will will win.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It's a trap game for certain and like like we're saying,
it's a short week, it's a divisional opponent. Cleveland doesn't
have much to play for other than pride and being
professionals Jonas and sometimes that's enough, you know, sometimes your
dislike for another team is enough. You want to spoil something.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Would you describe Jonas as a professional of our.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, professional hater? What do you mean You're a professional
at times?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Would you say? Could say that he's unprofessional.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
At times?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Some lu.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I will say this, Jonas is a consummate professional at
what he does. He does what's to get better at
what he does. He I will say that.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Getting in and out of segments. But you cannot stop
him from teasing whatever's coming on. You can't stop that.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
But I will say off air, he is very unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
What do you mean your he's one of your biggest
slappers ever.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Man, you are a very very, very very unprofessional person.
What do you think we are not? On air? That's
all I'm gonna say. So I'm not going to say anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'll describe it more As like immature.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're very underdeveloped Jonas. What do you mean, Lvar?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
What do you need to get out more?
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Man?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
What are you talking? I'm just saying, Man, can't you
look at me when you're talking?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What wrong you mean?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm just asking I'm asking questions here. I just want
to get to the bottom of this stuff though. Man,
all right, here's something to monitor.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
When it comes to the Browns, so stupid.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Want you guys keep it together?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Okay, I'm trying to just look at LeVar like you
do the small guy you sit next to you sometimes,
Diamond Phillips.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So we are young gun.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
So we've got this game coming up later tonight. And
I would not aware. I was. I was not aware
of this, uh, this.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Little beef that's going on between t J. Watt and
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But apparently have you seen this?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So okay.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Apparently, when Miles Garrett got the Defensive Player of the Year,
t J. Watt didn't attend the NFL Honors show and
wrote on social media, quote, nothing I'm not used to.
Miles Garrett was asked about this on Wednesday and had
this to say, t J.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Ever seen and I said in the movie. Now the
apologize and I say.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Him, this change the way that you know your friend
has changed the way that he.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Wouldn't feed him people.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
I mean, I wouldn't say we're friends. I would say
we're friendly, and I'm gonna have a respect for him.
And it don't really change anything. But we'll see what
happens on Thursday. I've never complained about uh hoping not
being in my house and vice versa. You know, he said,
I think you shouldn't be feeling two ways about going
to make so TJ.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Watt responded with just something kind of generic like I
have respect for everybody. It's team against team, not me
against Tim, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
But be careful messing with.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The Steelers. Don't mess around. So TJ wanted five more sacks,
and I believe at least two, if not three more
fumble recoveries. I think the force fumbles were the same
last year, but I kind of forgot about that. And
in the defensive Player of the Year argument, like, typically, man,
you got five more sacks.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That's a that's significant. Yeah, that's like a season that's
a season high for most guys.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So I think you can understand why he feels slighted.
I mean when you look that, when you look at
that statistic, are you like, dude, yeah, that's he probably
was cheated a little bit, right.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I would say tackles for law would matter now nowadays,
I would say quarterback hurries. Did you know did he
cause fumbles? Like I would I would, I would say,
you still have to look at other categories that are
significant to being a disruptive factor in in the game.
(32:19):
I wouldn't just say it's just sacks. Well, I think
that a lot of times it was either interceptions or
with sacks that were were the reasons why you will win,
not even tackles, you know, but tackles for loss. Tackles
for losses are are pretty much just as valuable as
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a sack these days. So I would say if we're
looking at those those categories, if if those are all
things given equal, and the determining factor is the sacks,
then yes, that that that's a significant difference in margin.
Five sacks more one hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So what had he had two more tackles for loss,
he had six more quarterback hits as well, and then
on top of it, he had about twenty eight more tackles.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, I will and say that's crazy significant. But tackles
for losses are hard to come by, just like just
like sacks are. They're they're kind of hard to come by.
So in a way, that is like you said, it
was how many three, three, or six tackles for loss?
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Yet two more?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, that's not significant enough. Twenty six more tackles. He
had interception as well, and he also had a couple
more passes defended.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
For what that's worth, I mean they might be looking
at the total body of work and making making the
decision based off of that. Possibly, but not sure, not sure,
But that's what I'm saying. Watt had all the bigger
numbers since yes, yes, and he didn't get it. Garrett
got it right. Yeah, so there's a legitimate I mean,
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there would be a legitimate kind of you know, if
I were t J. Watt, I would feel the same way.
What do you think is the biggest thing that separates
this too? One is white and one is black. Maybe
just at first glance, one is black, one is white.
I mean we could say that Miles Garrett's arms are
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bigger than t J. Watts. I mean, at first glance, whatever,
first glance is I mean, you know that that might
be the first glance that you come up.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Sorry now, well Miles Garrett lie this time again about
being called.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
But this time the black Man one. Though we won,
we came out on top, you know, I mean, so.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
We can't you know, like every other nineties scary movie,
you know.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
No, you know, Miles Garrett would have been the first
one out of the movie.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Although it's kind of like cool you I feel like
all the movies he's in, he always survives.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Was a Deep Blue Sea where he was like, you
should have one that they picked that that is you're
able to to kind of you know, let them live
l L cool J. For some reason, he just he
he found the way to be the one that lives
in these types of movies.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You know, I'll just never forget in De blu c
after like they he survived and all this stuff, and
he just goes take me back to the ghetto. And
like at that moment, not only was it one of
the more comical lines for whatever that movie was supposed
to do, whatever genre, but I also was thinking to myself, well,
why the hell did you go out in the middle
of the ocean on this like a laboratory.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
They buddy, like, what were you doing anyway? Too many
around away.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, he had some random laboratory in the middle of
the ocean testing on this all this stuff on sharks, Like,
what the hell?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That tiger shark in that movie was aggressive as hal
It had me shook in my and where I was
watching it, I was shook up. I ain't never got
in the water deep water, Nope, because of that tiger
shark from Deep Blue, like, never got in You'll never
see me get in deep water.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Lee will be the rating for that movie on the
rating system.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
It's stump stand by. I never saw it. It had
like one rotten tomato, maybe one and a half.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I could cure less what like they gave it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I was.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I was looking for the Lee rating.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
The lead.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Yeah, Oh, that's a that's an old timer because it's
got such re what because it's got such rewatchability, it's
so it's such a fun one.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There's so many scenes you don't forget about. You don't
like remember you forget that are amazing.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I just remember that tiger shark was aggressive as f man.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I mean for me, because it has because I love
putting it on.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I could put it on any time.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I would put it as a solid eight what out
of ten? Yeah, I'm not gonna put it as like
a great movie as a great movie, but like.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Eight out of ten for a movie is great, that's
like a great movie.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
But I'm just saying it's like, yeah, it's a good
movie that you just put on.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How you're giving it eight, hey buddies out of ten
is what you're saying on the on the lease scale,
on the scale of the hey buddy.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
I'm not necessarily calling it, like, you know, up there
with your best films of all time, but if you
want a just a good movie, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
For movies that are about sharks that swim backwards, it
probably ranks up there on the top, right, Yes, absolutely cool.
Just making sure you know that being a key point
in the movie where they're like they know how to
swim backwards.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
It's like, okay, I'm gonna say this and then I'm
done with the tiger shark. But that movie made tiger
sharks replace Jaws and great whites as scary as shark
to me, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Well, I mean, technically, tiger sharks are more aggressive and
have more attacks on humans than great whites.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
There you go, oh, okay, well bull sharks have more
than tiger so there's that.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Bull sharks aren't going to take you down.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I felt that I felt good about bull sharks after
The Blue Lagoon, Like I like the Blue Lagoon. I
believe that was a bull shark in that that movie.
Maybe it was a mako, I'm not sure, but I
thought it was a bull shark. And I like bull sharks.
I think bull sharks are kind of cool. But you
don't want to I will say this tiger sharks. I
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was like, in my mind, I'm like, a hammerhead is intimidating,
but you got a little ass mouth. I ain't worried
about a hammer head. Can I don't. I don't see how,
And I just feel like you can get to their
eyes so easily. Are they doing the hooks the Q hooks?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
They are hammerheads the original. They should call them Q sharks,
you know dom Q sharks do? They should do Q sharks.
But I'm just saying. I'm just saying. When I heard
the song baby sharks sharks a shark, I thought of
hammerheads because I don't feel like they're very like them
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and what sand sharks or whatever or what are they called, uh,
Pilotte sharks or something like that. I don't know. They're big,
super big sharks, you know them big ones, but they're not.
They don't care, they're not they don't not aggressive, not
interested in people, but tigers shark. Ever since that movie, man,
I do not bang with no tiger sharks man at all.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Over over great whites, Like I see a great white,
be like, dang, that's a great white. I see tigers.
I'm like, oh, that's it's a tiger shark. Yeah, somebody's
in trouble. Like look around everybody and every everybody on shore,
like you know, I get nervous. Yeah, well, and you
could tell the difference. I wouldn't worry because they look
like tigers, but they're only a shark.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I wouldn't worry about that, Stan Glendora, you got grizzlies
bears to worry about.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And clearly, yeah, Mountain Line's vampires like Jonas.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (39:42):
We are going to welcome in the great Albert Breer.
He will be on the coverage of Amazon Primes Thursday
Night Football, the kickoff of week twelve coming up later
on tonight with the Browns and the Steelers. Listen, I'm
calling it. It's going to be a wipeout. I think
the Steelers take care of business, just like they did
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back in two thousand and nine. Baby, when I watched
Brady Quinn out dual Ben Roethlisberger from the wilde.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I wouldn't say that, but we did get the win.
I will say this though, that would go against my bet,
so not shocking. Now you would directly be against me
in my bet this week.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I just think we're gonna get I think I think
Pittsburgh wins this game. But you guys are the ones
steering me in the direction of a potential upset.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
So there is that.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
But Albert, thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
As always, you can see him on Amazon NFL on
Prime later on tonight. Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the MMQB.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
What's happening, ab Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5 (40:40):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We're good? Are you expecting? Sounds so down? Albert? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Do I sound down? Okay? I don't know if it's
play overcast in raining here, so maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Maybe maybe, Oh, you're one of those guys who lets
the weather dictate how they feel. Cool? Got it?
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Wow? That that was?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That was I mean, I'm just saying it sounds like
a bit of mindset. I'd changed your mind? Whd notchally
getting that alpha mindset?
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
You guys are the ones who called me out. I
actually think I'm doing okay. I'm pretty resilient. But if
you guys my voice, maybe that's it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Okay, So, ab, I got to ask you, are you
expecting some fireworks before the game between t J Watt
and Miles Garrett, who apparently was upset that TJ threw
a little shade during the Defensive Player of the Year
honor last year, expecting to throw down Maybe he takes
his helmet off and beats him with it again or.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
What that would be? That would be highly entertaining. I
think that would be good for ratings, right like, so
uh so, yeah, I'm all for it, no, I uh yeah,
it'll be interesting to see those two guys in the
field at the same time. I think, you know, given
that the Browns are where they are, and you know,
I I think playing out the string might be a
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little strong, but you know, they're getting to that point,
you know. Like I think one of the night one
of the cool subplots is, you know, two of the
best defensive players in football over the last five years,
you know who both won that award having having a
chance to be on the same field at the same time.
You know, obviously there's a lot more on the line,
i'd say for Pittsburgh right now. In Cleveland, though, as
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its routine standpoint, no.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Doubt about it. I want to ask you, though, just
about the Cleveland Browns. First off, are you in Cleveland
right now?
Speaker 5 (42:19):
No? No, no, no, no, okay, I've heard it. I've heard.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I've heard it's snow to night, right, I mean, it's snowing.
I'm in Columbus now. It's snowing here now, which is
the first snow of the year, so a little early
for it, but shockingly it's it's kind of sticking to
at least from what I've seen. But we'll see how
that continues.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
My question for you, though, is the Browns head coaching
situation It just seems odd that a guy who was
head coach of the Year in the NFL a year ago,
and despite all the troubles that he's kind of gone
through this year, especially with injuries, how he could all
of a sudden be on the hot seat when it
feels like the thing that's been most detrimental to Browns
has been the quarterback situation, which doesn't feel like it
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was Kevin Stefanski's doing. It feels like it's more Jimmy
has them. If anyone or even Andrew Berry, the general manager.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah, I would say I would say two things on that. First,
I wouldn't necessarily buy into the perception that Kevin's in trouble.
I think it would take some catastrophic down the stretch
for him to be gone. So I think Kevin will
be back. I think Andrew Berry will be back in
twenty twenty five. I think those guys have earned a
mull again, especially after last year. You know, they were
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dealing with a lot of these same things last year,
just from an injury standpoint, you know, playing with five
different quarterbacks and being down to their fourth and fifth
tackles and having the receiver injuries they had last year
and they still made the playoffs and this year hasn't
gone the same way. But I would say that this
Brady that the has them has messed a lot of
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things up over their first few years as owners. And
you know, I think it took them a while to
get to a model that they really like. That they
really do like this model, and this model has actually
brought them a good, good amount of success over the
last five years. So I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised
if Kevin was gone and I And the other thing
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I'd say, just on the Watson thing is I think
everybody has taken their share of blame for that. I
think there's blood on everybody's hands, you know. You know,
and just knowing a little bit about like the planning
on that going forward, it does sound like, you know,
the quarterback plan is going to shift a little bit
coming out of this year. Obviously, the contract puts them
in a really tough spot. But you know, I'm my
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understanding is, you know, the they're gonna shake up the
quarterback room a little bit and try to put some
competition in there for next year. Knowing that really because
Deshaun Watson Vener there's not much and has a guaranteed contract.
There's not much they can do about about his place
on the roster.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Aybe a lot going on in Dallas in terms of
not a lot going on, but there just seems to
be this campaign that is I mean, is it trying
to gain traction? It continues to be spoken about with
Shador and coach Prime possibly being a package deal ending
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up in in Dallas. Is there any real validity to this?
Is this is this just talking or is this something
that like really actually could seriously be in consideration.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
I don't know, LeVar. You have to kind of like
look at like what it would take for that to happen,
right like and and like the amount of hoops that
people would have a jumper to make that happen. I mean,
first of all, they might need to have the first
pick in the draft. Second of all, you know, they
would they would, they would. They would need to be
comfortable with the fact that they just paid Dak Prescott
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sixty million dollars per year and they can't get out
of a contract for another couple of years. So now
like you're bringing in Beyond to coach the team, his
son is a backup but you're locked into this other
guy for the next couple of years, which in some
circumstances might make sense because you might say, okay, like
we want to do it like Atlanta did it, like
where they've got cousins for the next year or two
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and then they'll transition it over to Pennix. But is
that really going to work, you know? And is that
going to put Dak in the best position to succeed?
So you know, all this stuff sounds great, you know,
I just don't know how it all comes together. Now
we're talking about Dion as a head coaching candidate in
the vacuum. Maybe that's a little bit different, but I
don't know where you know, Jerry and Steven Jones look
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at it, say, yeah, we just paid sixty million dollars
for for for Dak Prescott Prescott, but let's go ahead
and trade up to to to go and get this
other quarterback. Will take away that the advantage you have
with a quarterback and a rookie deal because you won't
have that financial advantage with Dak's contract on the on
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the books, and we'll go forward with a with a guy. Well,
I think most people and I don't know Brady. You
probably a better perspective on this, but I think most
teams view should as like a good not great quarterback prospect.
So it doesn't even feel like you'd be swinging to
the fences on that one.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I mean, he's going to be the number one quarterback.
I think he solidified himself as that. But in regards
to this class and how it's viewed, it's accurate. This
isn't last year's class where you feel like you have
five guys who can go inside what the top ten
or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, yeah, I would say, yeah, I would say this
is this class is viewed in very, very differently. I
do think I'm with you to based on the people
I've talked to, I think chadur is probably the leader
in the club, has to be the first guy off
the board. Carson Beck like has really flattened out. I
know he played well last week, but it's flattened out
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quinn Ewers. I mean, the question is where the feeling
is with him? Uh, cam Ward? Can you go from
being like a six or seventh round pick last year
and all of a sudden being a high first round pick.
I just I don't know, I don't know looking at
this class that this is going to be. I mean,
it may not be as bad as twenty two. You know,
where you had Kenny Pick in the first round, and
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I think that that's you know, two or three guys
went in the third round. But it may be closer
to that than it is to last year. It's not
a great year to be able for a quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. You
can get him on x at Albert Breer. So I
want to ask you because we were talking obviously about
the Jets situation yesterday, and you know GM's gone now,
head coach is gone, seems like Aaron Rodgers is going
to be gone. Seems like Woody Johnson has got a
heavy hand in the organization now as he's.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Walking through the build.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
I know that there's only thirty two of these things,
but like, if you're a head coach or like a GM,
who would want to be a part of that A
b Like, it feels like this is maybe the worst
situation in the NFL, and as long as he's there,
there's no sign of improvement.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Yeah, and I think you're right to say that it's
one of thirty two, So they'll find somebody, you know,
But if you're somebody with options, why would you do it?
I mean, and this isn't a new problem, Like there's
Joe Douglas got a six year deal there because of this,
because like the perception of the job was that you
couldn't trust ownership and that ownership was going to mess
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everything up and be a problem eventually, and and and
and and that's come true with with the with the
latest group in there. And that's not saying that Robert
Salin and Joe Douglas didn't didn't, you know, put themselves
in a position for this to be the result they did,
you know, I mean Salah had three plus years, didn't
make the playoffs, Joe Douglas had five plus years, didn't
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make the playoffs. Is what it is, and the NFL,
it generally gets you fired. But that also doesn't mean
that the owner isn't a problem. And what you hear
from people, even people who won there, even people who
had a good experience, and like what he is, that
what he listens to too many nons football people and
makes decisions based on football matters, based sometimes on what
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those people say, and what he is acutely aware of
what's being said on the internet, in particular social media,
and that can affect the decision making too, and it
shows up all over the place, guys like for example, right, like,
so they fire Robert sala I believe it was on
a Tuesday, right that Wednesday, they did not have an
offer on the table for DeVante Adams, period. There was
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no offer on the table. Yet somehow five days later
they're trading a day two pick away for him, right,
I mean you tell me, like DeVante Adams had been
available for a few weeks at that point, Like, how
do you go from one to the other? It doesn't
make sense, you know, It's just I mean, these sorts
of things exist all over and I mean it's even like,
(50:34):
you know with the head coach, like right, like, so
you fire the head coach. It's like, well, why did
you do that? Well? Because of the record, Okay, well
what does that help? Right now? That's the question the
players were asking. And the players look at it and say, well,
the strength of our teams are defense. You're removing the
architect of the defense from the equation. You're taking a
defensive coordinator who we like in Jeff Ulbrick and you're
(50:55):
spreading him thin and lo and behold, like the defense,
which was top of the league five games, has is
allowing in his last six games, you know, more than
one hundred yards more per game and ten points more
per game. I mean, you tell me, you know what
I mean. Like, it's just it's just it's like they're
pushing buttons to push buttons, and and that's what you're
(51:15):
dealing with with that owner. And uh, you know, I
don't think it gives the football people the best chance
to succeed, even if again, like Joe Douglas and Robert
Solom made their own bed with with the win loss record.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I just have one more question the Daniel Jones situation
in New York. Since we're in New York, how how
does that how does that play out? I mean, the
players are feeling a certain type of way, seems like,
I mean, how does this impact day Ball and his authority?
How does this impact the reputation of the New York Giants? Good?
Speaker 5 (51:46):
I mean, I would say this, LeVar, I've seen some
of the stuff that's out there on Daniel Jones. I
would say, on the flip side, like the coaches and
players like I have shown a lot of frustration with
Daniel Jones, and it's even like opponents can see it
on the All twenty two believe it or not, Like
there were examples from that game against Carolina where you
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see like like a visible reaction from the sideline when
when Daniel Jones is missing throws, you know, and like
there was the flea flicker where you get two guys
wide open. Both guys might score a touchdown if he
pulled the trigger insteady East the ball and takes an
eight yards sack. You know, there's a player early in
that game where he throws the ball over molikue neighbor's head,
where Molik saw it come off with the get off
(52:29):
off off Shones's hand and he knew it was me
so far over said he just walked off the field.
Like the body language from the players, from the coaches
has been really bad the last few weeks. And so
you say what you will about like the players, you know,
being like upset about this happening or whatever. I don't
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know that to be the case is a widespread basis.
I just tell you, you know what what what's showing
up in that building and what has shown up in
that building is a lot of frustrat omber the way
Daniel Jones played, And I think that's part of the
reason why they go to Tommy DeVito here is like
if you go to Drew Lock, like you're taking a
swing right, like you're seeing like okay, like is there
something here for the future. I think going to Tommy
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DeVito is just trying to get everybody back to level ground,
you know, and we know he knows the offense and
we've seen him play, so like, let's just get everybody
back in a position where they can individually do their
job at the highest level possible.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
He is Albert Breer, Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, Senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the MMQB and again
you can get him on X at Albert Breer AB.
We appreciate it, we'll watch tonight and we'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
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Speaker 5 (00:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Has it ever not been done live? What do you
mean you say live from doing live? I dope, go ahead,
jump on it. Good. It's a nice little set up show.
I wanted to make sure it was a nice little setup.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh yeah yeah before we took the show. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there was.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Ah that's why I just figure out throw it out there.
I mean, they have a little fun.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's actually live. We're not taping it.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
We're not taping. This isn't tape, not pre recorded.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Saying that's happened before? Is that?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean word on the street as I heard it's been.
I mean I heard sometimes you know, things people run amok,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, you just gotta be careful.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm just saying when you say it, I mean I
was just curious. Are you reiterating that now this show
is always live.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, you just gotta gotta be careful that you know,
there's no breaking news.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Hey, bro, I was driving home from I'm looking at
the news. I'm driving home from the airport the other day,
and a lady was on one of the metro platforms
giving herself like a splash, bath shower whatever, like little
bird bath. All in though, oh yeah, all in. I
(01:50):
was blown away, Bro, I was blown away. I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I could not understand what I was looking at while
I was almost wrecked, almost wrecked, and not because in
a good way, just like in a like like did
I am I looking at this?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Am I seeing what I'm seeing? Like like just spinning
around like singing sugs everything. The body's a two story house.
You got to clean the downstairs bathroom, I mean, the
whole thing right there on the platform. And people. The
wild thing is the people who are catching the metros
that are sitting there waiting on the butt or the
(02:28):
train to come. They're just be sitting there like it's
like two different scenes taking place, but but they don't
fit together. Have you seeing the Gift of the guy?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
The homeless guy on the train in New York and
there's just a rat that crawls up his leg the
size of a badger, right Like the persons just filming
no thought to like, hey, why don't you get that
thing off? And the camera this thing just crawled up.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It might have been like his path that one that
one video where the dude was sleep under the the
blanket and they want to like go to help them
and feed them, and like a million rats ran up
out of there when they picked it up. Man, I
don't know, man, you got to be a different person
to live that life. Man on God, Yeah, like just
(03:16):
to get that comfortable or just be that gone with
reality that you could just take a full out splash
bath right there right there.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know what is amazing about it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Though?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
What if they've got a phone, they could probably watch
the games on Christmas on Netflix?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Think about that? Wo? How did they be having phones?
By the way, can somebody answer that question? How can
you be dead as homeless? Like I'm not talking like
like in between, like I know, in between homes type homeless,
Like I get that, but like you like out there,
out there homeless. You got a phone, there's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Programs for that. Yeah, there's a lot of resources out there, buddy,
really resources.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh yeah, so there's resources to give you communication, but
can't give you a place to stay.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, it's at least trunk you can get luggage, you
can get what kind of stuff in there.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Then they charge them at McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
What do you mean, Oh, they charged the home.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, so they got to charge them somewhere.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I had a buddy told me that they some of
them should just go across the board and come back
over and then that way they could get some housing
from them. Right, it's not a bad idea. Hey, you
got fifteen minutes work on your accent.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's cold blooded, that's cold bloody.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It was a good idea.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I was like, all right, well, I'm not even trying
to make fun. It's just that, like this, this news
report made it pop up in my head for some reason.
I had to get that off my chest.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, that's that sounds like it's a less confusing situation
than the ten tie breaking scenario.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, let's go. For the first time in my life,
I'm actually rooting for Ohio State. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I tried to look at all, like the one time, only,
one time, and one time only. I tried to look
at Penn State's path to get there.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And I got dizzy. It's just the whole thing. And
then you start to see think about how ridiculous this is.
It took the Big Ten until what four PM was
a yesterday, Yeah, two days ago, yesterday. It took them
that long to figure out the tie breaking scenarios in
this eighteen team league that they're like, oh wait, no, yeah,
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Oregon's gonna be in the Big Ten championship game. We
can now definitively confirm that based on all of our
tie breaking scenarios. It's like, okay, I'm not saying we
need to rethink the eighteen team conference, but we do
have to point out some issues with it. The first
being like, if you look at Indiana's schedule. Indiana's schedule,
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they played like seven of the eight worst teams in
the Big Ten this year so far if you look
at their resume, and that's kind of the tough part
is if when you've got this many teams, you're not
going to have a level playing field in regards to
the nine conference games that you play. You know, for example,
I'm not taking a shot at Penn State. I feel
like they've played a more difficult schedule based on their
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strength and schedule than Indiana. That's there's no doubt about it.
But outside of Ohio State, if you look at Penn
State schedule leased in the Big Ten play, you're going, okay, like,
it's not that difficult the year you don't have to
play Michigan and and you can point to some other ones.
But even with some of the newcomers, right, you beat
USC out of USC, but that they're kind of down,
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got to avoid Oregon. But you start combing through this
and going, well, wait a second, man, Like the Indiana
schedule is not the same even as Penn States, like
they have coasted at this point and this could be there,
this will be their only tough game they play this year.
And now everyone's talking about how the how they lose
matters or how you know, obviously if they win, they win,
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but how they lose matters, which is kind of crazy
to think, but that's the reality of these eighteen team
super conferences.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Would would it be Indiana and Oregon in the championship
game if they beat Ohio State? Correct? Yeah, okay? And
then if if Ohio State beats Indiana, who's in it?
Is it Ohio State in a rematch with organ it
would then be on the same side.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Right yeah, well yeah, because they'd have tie breaking scenarios
over both Indiana and Penn State in that instance.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
See that's that's I see how I don't know, I guess.
So it's just buy record and by tiebreakers. So it's
Ohio State if they win, but if they lose, and
so it's one of those two teams that are going
to play against Oregon, I believe so.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Again because some of the tie breaking rules, there is
head to head that comes into play, so that eliminates
some of the teams that are tied, and then there's
like record versus common opponents all of stuff. But the biggest,
the biggest issue is just figuring out whether or not
Oregon had already clinched a ticket to the Big tenship.
So at least that was announced yesterday. So they come
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back the day later and they did relations guys.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But they play Washington on on Saturday. And while Washington
isn't a great team, they could. I mean their familiarity
of one another. Jeb is is is a confident guy
in terms of going against the guy he awarded that.
Jeb is confident.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Je He's a confident guy.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Don't you think he's a confident dud?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I do.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But they actually have two weeks to prepare for that one.
They don't play this week. They're on a bye so
that's their last that's Oregon. Yeah, they'll play, They'll play
Washington in two weeks. And uh, even though it's kind
of a rivalry of sorts been based on how the
games went last week or last year, excuse me, Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
That should be an awesome matchup.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So what happens?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What happens if Washington beats Oregon? Absolutely nothing? A yeah,
well yeah, Oregan's already clinched. They're already going to the
big But how does that work?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
If if Washington beats Oregon, there's a potential chance that
maybe it would matter if Indiana. No, because if India,
if Indiana wins there, they're going in.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Well, Penn State beat Washington.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Correct, But at that point you're talking about an eleven
to zero Indiana team right, Okay, but so there's no
confusing But look at it from this perspective.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
If Indiana beats Ohio State, Washington upsets Oregon, Penn State
wins out, who's in the gang.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's still Oregon and still Indiana. Indiana would be undefeated
in this scenario.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
What do you mean, how who would be undefeated Indiana
if and if Ohio State?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
No, no, you said Indiana.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Okay, So if Indiana loses, okay, if Indiana loses to
Ohio State, right, Washington beats organ Oregon loses, they all
have one they all have one loss.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Basically, Yeah, the difference is Ohio State has tie breaking
scenarios over Indiana and Penn State because they beat both
those schools.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But State have tiebreaker over Oregon because they beat Washington.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, but they've already clinched sos. They've already gone through
this scenario. That's what I'm trying to say. Hmm, okay,
I mean, so here's here's here's what would come down to.
It would come down to record verse common opponents, and
that instance, Oregon beat Ohio State, Penn State obviously lost
Ohio State. And then even though Washington would have, you know,
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that win over Oregon, and then Penn State would have
to win. That would kind of be like kind of
a wash there. And then they they I think there's
another like metric they look at, which I don't know
how they come up with it, but I believe it's
like the highest rank common opponent or something like that.
I don't have to go back through and look at it.
There's a lot like if you go look at the
Big Ten tie breaking scenarios, it's very elaborate. Again, so
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much so that it took them about three days this
week until they figured out Oregon clinched.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean, I'm assuming that there's going to be an
easier way to do all this next year, like that
they're going to get through this and we're going to
try and figure out.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know what eventually ends up happening, right, is as
the Big Ten continues to expand, the SEC continues to expand,
you find yourself in a world where you have divisions,
and it ends up being very similar to what we
see in the NFL. Right, you'll end up having instead
of you know, the four buys that are saved for
(11:38):
the four highest rank conference champions it'll it'll end up
being somewhat similat to how we look at, you know,
a two conference system for a playoff. That world is approaching.
I don't know how long it's going to take us
to get there, but I think there's some frustration with
this current model. However, I will say this, if you
(12:00):
look at the SEC, the SEC is going to get
the majority of the teams, or I should say they'll
get the most teams of any conference into the playoff.
So the SEC doesn't want to change it, right Like,
they don't want to be put into a world where
they might not get you know, six teams or five
teams in you know, they might only be able to
get four. They might not want to live in that world.
(12:21):
So there might not be a huge push from the
SEC from that perspective, and I think a lot of
people feel like there's been so much change with the
Big ten and everything else going on that maybe we're
just good with where we're at for the time being.
But that's one of the that's one of the reasons
why if you think about it from a money standpoint,
the SEC isn't incentivized to want this thing to change
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because they've got an advantage right now. And you look
how the Collegeotball Playoff Committee views their conference. You know,
look how many team I think it was what eight
or nine teams are ranked in the top twenty five
something like that. And then you know, you look at
the arguments being made for Georgia or for you know,
whoever says two losses or of Hage, they're sort of
three loss team get in. You look at all these
(13:04):
different arguments. They're doing it for the SEC because they
feel like it's the strongest conference. Well, if that's the case,
you'd rather be able to keep a world or a
playoff where you're able to have the majority of the
teams make it in to represent that brand.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
This is going to be the second year in a
row that the Big tim wins the national title. So
I don't know, it's it's it's interesting how long the
ot Ohio State or it's going to be one of
those two teams that wins. It's going to.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Be one of the Ohio State center towards Achilles in practice. Yeah, well,
I would say Josh Simmons I would have said it
was the best till he got hurt. Now, Seth McLaughlan
him getting hurt at center. It hurts. I mean, the
good thing is played center last year, so he'll move
back into center. I believe Cearvel will move to left
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guard and they'll keep Donovan Jackson at a left tackle.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
It's just I mean, how many can you sustain and
still be able to play at a high level Ohio State?
Can they can absorb a few? A few more than most.
They've already absorbed a few. Yeah, they'll they'll continue as
one of those two teams that are going to win
the national type.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's what Breer was complaining about before the Penn State
came was the OLA. Yeah, they had to shift things then,
and they shifted Carson Hinsman, who again was last year's center,
and they ended up putting him at left guard next
to Donovan Jackson because Hinsman was center, Donovan Jackson was
left guard, so they had more experience playing next to
each other. So then you just bump each of them
out one spot, which seemed to work really well. So
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that model, that and that you know mode they were
going with actually worked out great. In fact, if you
looked at a lot of the numbers, they were running
more to that left side, even though it wasn't the
natural position for either of those two way more than before.
Before it was like very much balance. They were running
almost twenty percent of the time more to that left
side with Donovan Jackson and Carson Hinsman. So now that
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Hensman goes back to center, you know, you wonder how
he's gonna handle those responsibilities making all the calls and
you know, having an inexperienced guy or then played as
much together in between Donavan Jackson and him, So all
those little things matter, you know, when it comes down
to the battle on the trenches.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
By the way, how you tear your aco if you're
wearing two knee braces, guys going double down joy, it
could happen.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
How all that could happen. I mean, it certainly lessens
because it the way it stabilizes your knee, but it
could happen. It could happen because I mean, you'd be
bad all that weight, all that, all that movement going on,
and the triches that could happen.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
If I if I've got to go double knee brace,
I'm assuming that this is going to stop me or
prevent me from tearing my a cl'.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It's a lesser much greater chance that it does not
happen much greater, But can it happen? One you could
break those you can break one of those knee braces,
and those those circumstances, like if the right thing happens somebody,
you know, there's so many like times where guys get
hit from behind.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
What about when Joe Flaccov slid and the thing came up.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
On the side. I'm just saying that it can happen.
It can happen. It's not it's not a zero percent
chance that you get you you don't tear your your
a c L because you have on one of those
those knee braces. It can happen.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Now, at least we'll have Albert Brera. I'll give them
something to bitch about it.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Anyway, we're going to have a Big ten national title
holder for the second year straight, so we're gonna have
to revisit this whole best. I let it go yesterday
when we say SEC was the best uh conference in
college football. I'm you know, I think we'll have another
national title holder this year.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And I no, uh, I know, George's got two losses,
but if their receivers could ever figure it out, man,
my God, that team could be gonna be the best.
It's it's the most the most frustrating team to watch
on film and get I'm not trying to claim the
Carson Becks played perfect. He is not, but it is
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like that thing is a wet bar of soap sometimes
and those guys just cannot hang onto it. There was
a series where they had like a couple of there's
a catch and then it ended up being called I
believe in complete and the falling play it's like another
big play and as he's running downfield, the wide receiver fumbles.
Fortunately Georgia recovered. It's it's just they have been They're
tied for the for the lead in drops in the
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SEC and they have had the worst ball security and
inconsistency on offense of any of these top teams. It's like,
if the offense could rid out, they would be so good.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Well they better not that wet bar soap it and
the Sour would uh one of them big ten teams
in the championship playoff round. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Did you see one of the scenarios I saw. One
of the projections I saw was Georgia going to Penn
State in the first round. I don't want Yeah, that's
who the hell wants to see Georgia in the well.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Who wants to go on to Penn State and try
to win and other than Ohio State. In Michigan, we
can't even use Michigan. They're four lost team this year. Yeah,
they're down. I don't know that they're the same Michigan. No, no, no,
you don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I could definitely tell you that they're not right.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Okay, they're in nowhere.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
By the way, here's the other argument that like people
have been making on behalf of Indiana and I'm not
here to like say, hey, Indiana's schedule has been weak
and bulbla, I'm not here to say that. But let's
not go with the narrative of what we beat last
year's national champion and we beat last year's national runner up,
saying those things are completely meaningless. Like, let's use this
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logic if you're an Indiana Hoosiers fan or anyone who's
just trying to make that case. Michigan and Washington not
only are their rosters not even close to what they
were last year, they have new head coaches, new staffs too.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, so like everything has.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Changed and mind you, Indiana would be the first to
tell you that everything's changed, considering their roster turnover and
their new head coach. So like using this narrative of like, oh, well,
they were last year's national champion, they beat them, and
they beat last year's national Who cares that was last
year has no bearing whatsoever on this year. It is
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the dumbest thing that I've heard people try to use
as a narrative to pump up Indiana's schedule or strength
of schedule or lack thereof. It's like, dude, found but
coaches those players. But again a year later, like what
does any of that matter? Like if you watched Michigan
or Washington this year, you're watching them going they are
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nowhere close to what they were last year, not even close.
Why even use that? Like it almost makes it look
worse because it's like, all right, now you're really reaching,
like you're reaching for a narrative talking point instead of
just saying, you know what, we've been able to beat
the crap out of every team that we played this year,
and yeah, not as strong as a schedule we thought
so be it, but we got a big test this week.
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If we beat Ohio State the rest had Let's just
just go with that narrative. That's all that matters. Texas
have played a week ass schedule too. They're sitting up there,
what number three in the rankings, Like you don't hear
them trying to defend a bunch of like all that
kind of stuff, like, oh, well, you know, look at
we didn't play, look at last year's whatever. It's like,
just let the games play out, man, that's all we
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need to do.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
All they gotta do is win this weekend and everything.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's all matters.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, everything is on the table, period. It's all on
the table. So there you go.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
All right, you got it, Ie, you come on, come on, Gulie,
come on, let's do it. Do it for the ghost
of a Gulielie.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, good player, Prince.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
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Speaker 3 (20:54):
By the way, you sent over you sent over the
video your dog, mister Stims. I was trying to find
one of those skills.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Still not as big as Genesis dead dog.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
No, he's not as big as as Boss Hog.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
By the way, I'm glad they brought that up. We
actually recently weighed him again three thirty five.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Dang. Yeah, so yeah, just us you dig him up? Yeah,
we did. Wuld you stuff them me?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We dug him up and we just kind of used whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
The just sort of buried.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
How long has your dog been dead? It's almost twenty
twenty five, mind you.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I believe the exact date was May nineteen, twenty fifty.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You buried him? No, I didn't bury him. What did
you do? You see where I live?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You think I got room from?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I don't know where you live where it's four hundred pounds?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
What did you do with them?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
What do you missaid by?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You just got rid of him?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Say goodbye?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Dang?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You think I gotta put him at a folder's canon?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean my dogs are cremated. Dresser, I just passed away.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
John, You didn't cremate your dog.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
They took him away and and just that was it.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
What do you mean they took him away? It was
like a group of like.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That comes to the house. You called animal control.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That doctor Patterson came to the house. Uh, he probably
put him in a black trash bag, was.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Like, and put him in the trash can.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's I didn't see it, so it didn't happen. Dang,
bro What it talks about, like how how you know
how close he was with his dog and that's how
it takes care. I got a tattoo of his popper,
and I did my part.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I buried a lot of my dogs I've had, like dog,
but my two favorites I creamated them. Yeah, they're they're
still with us in the house. Yeah. So we're taking
Dresser to the next you know, we got a dog
corner to come get them and everything. I helped load
them up. That was my first time facing facing death
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of one.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Oh man, awful.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah it was. That was tore my heart out. But
let me tell you something, mister Sticks is easily my
favorite dog of all time. And I know a lot
of it has to do with Dresser and how that
all happened. But he bruh. Not only is he a
big dude, but he doesn't know he's big. So everything
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that he does is small, you know, like he jumps
on your lap like he's a lap dog. He licks
your face and and their licks are way stronger than
just like the average lick. It's like a it's a
very like your whole like when they do that cartoon.
Now I know why the cartoonist would draw and their
whole face, like from where their jaw is would go
up to like where their forehead is, like because of
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how strong the dog's tongue is. Like he's a I mean,
he is an impressive dude. Though I'll take Drew a lot.
He is a drooler. That's the only thing I don't like.
But at this point, yeah, not anymore. Man, He's turned
over a new leaf, new lee.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
One of the best things right now is h I've
stops snoring.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah right, No, No, that usually happens.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
To me, especially sleep apnea. Yeah yeah right. You think
you stop snoring? I mean that's what I've been told.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Do you feel like you're sleeping betterly?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Right now I'm sleeping awful, But uh I think I
will be.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Is that because of the withdrawals?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Maybe that's why you're not snoring it because you're not
what do you say?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And laughing? Brady, He's going through a tough time here.
He wants to be supportive. I don't think we're being
serious about that, are we?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean, are you struggling to sleep?
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Yeah, just because I'm still sweating a lot. Okay, maybe
the withdrawals you're through with it, was that that big
of a part of your life. Man, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Lee's livers like about time, buddy.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I'm just still sick. No, it's one or two things.
You're still going through the withdrawal process. No, not that,
or somebody's trying to take you up out of here.
I do that coffee I heard earlier. Thought I was blood.
I got I had to get the hell up out
of here, tuberculous.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do you believe at some point you were going through withdrawals.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
A little bit? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Okay, went.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
From a little bit. It's absolutely all right.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Although well, I'm just saying there's there's a portion of
it that was that, and then yes, there is some
part that is sick like right now, it's just the
remaining sickness.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Of Look, I think if I gave up coffee, i'd
get headaches, like I think because I've had to do it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I'm so anything like Pepsi's coffee, I have to take
preventive medication, because I get I get a migraine. It's
a wrap, it is a I'm talking fetal position, thumb
in the mouth, in the corner, pitch black. Don't say
a word to me. And still that's that's not enough.
(25:53):
Like you try to stop breathing, like you try to
slow your breathing down so much that air doesn't go
up into your note strools or your mouth and you
don't want it to touch your brain. And then you
start looking at windows like is this window opening me
jumping out of it? Is it better to do that
than oh, bro, bro, I don't know if you'll get migraines. No,
(26:14):
because of the migraine. I mean the migraine. There's triggers. Nuts,
you know, nuts can do it a lot of migraines.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Huh, Pepsi's you stupid?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Uh, you stupid? Sure on with you man, square hats,
you know, let's go back to square pineapples, safe work,
Let's switch switch subjects. Okay, Pittsburgh for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It definitely is all right.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And as we mentioned earlier in Quinn's wins, uh, somehow,
some way, these Steelers are only a three and a
half point favorite on the road against the Browns. Cleveland
stinks like, I don't know what people thought they were
gonna get, whatever spark they were gonna get for Jameis Winston.
They got annihilated last week game.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Though divisional games are always tough, man.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
They are. He's not lying, man, we were not a
great team in nine. We're part of that oh to
seven record for Mike Tomlin. Man, my man, ten point underdogs.
You helped me out. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad we helped
that out. But the truth of the matter is, to
Lvar's point, divisional matchup, and every time I see these lines,
I'm always like, something's up right. It's like the NFL
(27:29):
to me is like I really should should be betting
the other way on this because it's just one of
those weeks where you go, all right, is this gonna
continue on with Russell Wilson? Is it gonna be a
remain undefeated as their as their quarterback? At some point
is gonna slip up? And in the NFL oftentimes short
week road team, even though there's no time zone change,
it's not a long travel from Pittsburgh to Cleveland. Something happens. Man.
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I'm just telling you, I think it'll be a tight game,
but I think ultimately Pittsburgh will will win.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It's a trap game for certain and like like we're saying,
it's a short week, it's a divisional opponent. Cleveland doesn't
have much to play for other than pride and being
professionals Jonas and sometimes that's enough, you know, sometimes your
dislike for another team is enough. You want to spoil something.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Would you describe Jonas as a professional of our.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, professional hater? What do you mean You're a professional
at times?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Would you say? Could say that he's unprofessional.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
At times?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Some lu.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I will say this, Jonas is a consummate professional at
what he does. He does what's to get better at
what he does. He I will say that.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Getting in and out of segments. But you cannot stop
him from teasing whatever's coming on. You can't stop that.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
But I will say off air, he is very unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
What do you mean your he's one of your biggest
slappers ever.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Man, you are a very very, very very unprofessional person.
What do you think we are not? On air? That's
all I'm gonna say. So I'm not going to say anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'll describe it more As like immature.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're very underdeveloped Jonas. What do you mean, Lvar?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
What do you need to get out more?
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Man?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
What are you talking? I'm just saying, Man, can't you
look at me when you're talking?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What wrong you mean?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm just asking I'm asking questions here. I just want
to get to the bottom of this stuff though. Man,
all right, here's something to monitor.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
When it comes to the Browns, so stupid.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Want you guys keep it together?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Okay, I'm trying to just look at LeVar like you
do the small guy you sit next to you sometimes,
Diamond Phillips.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So we are young gun.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
So we've got this game coming up later tonight. And
I would not aware. I was. I was not aware
of this, uh, this.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Little beef that's going on between t J. Watt and
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But apparently have you seen this?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So okay.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Apparently, when Miles Garrett got the Defensive Player of the Year,
t J. Watt didn't attend the NFL Honors show and
wrote on social media, quote, nothing I'm not used to.
Miles Garrett was asked about this on Wednesday and had
this to say, t J.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Ever seen and I said in the movie. Now the
apologize and I say.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Him, this change the way that you know your friend
has changed the way that he.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Wouldn't feed him people.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
I mean, I wouldn't say we're friends. I would say
we're friendly, and I'm gonna have a respect for him.
And it don't really change anything. But we'll see what
happens on Thursday. I've never complained about uh hoping not
being in my house and vice versa. You know, he said,
I think you shouldn't be feeling two ways about going
to make so TJ.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Watt responded with just something kind of generic like I
have respect for everybody. It's team against team, not me
against Tim, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
But be careful messing with.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The Steelers. Don't mess around. So TJ wanted five more sacks,
and I believe at least two, if not three more
fumble recoveries. I think the force fumbles were the same
last year, but I kind of forgot about that. And
in the defensive Player of the Year argument, like, typically, man,
you got five more sacks.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That's a that's significant. Yeah, that's like a season that's
a season high for most guys.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So I think you can understand why he feels slighted.
I mean when you look that, when you look at
that statistic, are you like, dude, yeah, that's he probably
was cheated a little bit, right.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I would say tackles for law would matter now nowadays,
I would say quarterback hurries. Did you know did he
cause fumbles? Like I would I would, I would say,
you still have to look at other categories that are
significant to being a disruptive factor in in the game.
(32:19):
I wouldn't just say it's just sacks. Well, I think
that a lot of times it was either interceptions or
with sacks that were were the reasons why you will win,
not even tackles, you know, but tackles for loss. Tackles
for losses are are pretty much just as valuable as
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a sack these days. So I would say if we're
looking at those those categories, if if those are all
things given equal, and the determining factor is the sacks,
then yes, that that that's a significant difference in margin.
Five sacks more one hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So what had he had two more tackles for loss,
he had six more quarterback hits as well, and then
on top of it, he had about twenty eight more tackles.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, I will and say that's crazy significant. But tackles
for losses are hard to come by, just like just
like sacks are. They're they're kind of hard to come by.
So in a way, that is like you said, it
was how many three, three, or six tackles for loss?
(33:31):
Yet two more?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, that's not significant enough. Twenty six more tackles. He
had interception as well, and he also had a couple
more passes defended.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
For what that's worth, I mean they might be looking
at the total body of work and making making the
decision based off of that. Possibly, but not sure, not sure,
But that's what I'm saying. Watt had all the bigger
numbers since yes, yes, and he didn't get it. Garrett
got it right. Yeah, so there's a legitimate I mean,
(34:01):
there would be a legitimate kind of you know, if
I were t J. Watt, I would feel the same way.
What do you think is the biggest thing that separates
this too? One is white and one is black. Maybe
just at first glance, one is black, one is white.
I mean we could say that Miles Garrett's arms are
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bigger than t J. Watts. I mean, at first glance, whatever,
first glance is I mean, you know that that might
be the first glance that you come up.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Sorry now, well Miles Garrett lie this time again about
being called.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
But this time the black Man one. Though we won,
we came out on top, you know, I mean, so.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
We can't you know, like every other nineties scary movie,
you know.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
No, you know, Miles Garrett would have been the first
one out of the movie.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Although it's kind of like cool you I feel like
all the movies he's in, he always survives.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Was a Deep Blue Sea where he was like, you
should have one that they picked that that is you're
able to to kind of you know, let them live
l L cool J. For some reason, he just he
he found the way to be the one that lives
in these types of movies.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You know, I'll just never forget in De blu c
after like they he survived and all this stuff, and
he just goes take me back to the ghetto. And
like at that moment, not only was it one of
the more comical lines for whatever that movie was supposed
to do, whatever genre, but I also was thinking to myself, well,
why the hell did you go out in the middle
of the ocean on this like a laboratory.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
They buddy, like, what were you doing anyway? Too many
around away.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, he had some random laboratory in the middle of
the ocean testing on this all this stuff on sharks, Like,
what the hell?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That tiger shark in that movie was aggressive as hal
It had me shook in my and where I was
watching it, I was shook up. I ain't never got
in the water deep water, Nope, because of that tiger
shark from Deep Blue, like, never got in You'll never
see me get in deep water.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Lee will be the rating for that movie on the
rating system.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
It's stump stand by. I never saw it. It had
like one rotten tomato, maybe one and a half.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I could cure less what like they gave it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I was.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I was looking for the Lee rating.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
The lead.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Yeah, Oh, that's a that's an old timer because it's
got such re what because it's got such rewatchability, it's
so it's such a fun one.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There's so many scenes you don't forget about. You don't
like remember you forget that are amazing.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I just remember that tiger shark was aggressive as f man.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I mean for me, because it has because I love
putting it on.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I could put it on any time.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I would put it as a solid eight what out
of ten? Yeah, I'm not gonna put it as like
a great movie as a great movie, but like.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Eight out of ten for a movie is great, that's
like a great movie.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
But I'm just saying it's like, yeah, it's a good
movie that you just put on.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How you're giving it eight, hey buddies out of ten
is what you're saying on the on the lease scale,
on the scale of the hey buddy.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
I'm not necessarily calling it, like, you know, up there
with your best films of all time, but if you
want a just a good movie, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
For movies that are about sharks that swim backwards, it
probably ranks up there on the top, right, Yes, absolutely cool.
Just making sure you know that being a key point
in the movie where they're like they know how to
swim backwards.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
It's like, okay, I'm gonna say this and then I'm
done with the tiger shark. But that movie made tiger
sharks replace Jaws and great whites as scary as shark
to me, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Well, I mean, technically, tiger sharks are more aggressive and
have more attacks on humans than great whites.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
There you go, oh, okay, well bull sharks have more
than tiger so there's that.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Bull sharks aren't going to take you down.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I felt that I felt good about bull sharks after
The Blue Lagoon, Like I like the Blue Lagoon. I
believe that was a bull shark in that that movie.
Maybe it was a mako, I'm not sure, but I
thought it was a bull shark. And I like bull sharks.
I think bull sharks are kind of cool. But you
don't want to I will say this tiger sharks. I
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was like, in my mind, I'm like, a hammerhead is intimidating,
but you got a little ass mouth. I ain't worried
about a hammer head. Can I don't. I don't see how,
And I just feel like you can get to their
eyes so easily. Are they doing the hooks the Q hooks?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
They are hammerheads the original. They should call them Q sharks,
you know dom Q sharks do? They should do Q sharks.
But I'm just saying. I'm just saying. When I heard
the song baby sharks sharks a shark, I thought of
hammerheads because I don't feel like they're very like them
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and what sand sharks or whatever or what are they called, uh,
Pilotte sharks or something like that. I don't know. They're big,
super big sharks, you know them big ones, but they're not.
They don't care, they're not they don't not aggressive, not
interested in people, but tigers shark. Ever since that movie, man,
I do not bang with no tiger sharks man at all.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Over over great whites, Like I see a great white,
be like, dang, that's a great white. I see tigers.
I'm like, oh, that's it's a tiger shark. Yeah, somebody's
in trouble. Like look around everybody and every everybody on shore,
like you know, I get nervous. Yeah, well, and you
could tell the difference. I wouldn't worry because they look
like tigers, but they're only a shark.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I wouldn't worry about that, Stan Glendora, you got grizzlies
bears to worry about.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And clearly, yeah, Mountain Line's vampires like Jonas.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
We are going to welcome in the great Albert Breer.
He will be on the coverage of Amazon Primes Thursday
Night Football, the kickoff of week twelve coming up later
on tonight with the Browns and the Steelers. Listen, I'm
calling it. It's going to be a wipeout. I think
the Steelers take care of business, just like they did
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back in two thousand and nine. Baby, when I watched
Brady Quinn out dual Ben Roethlisberger from the wilde.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I wouldn't say that, but we did get the win.
I will say this though, that would go against my bet,
so not shocking. Now you would directly be against me
in my bet this week.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I just think we're gonna get I think I think
Pittsburgh wins this game. But you guys are the ones
steering me in the direction of a potential upset.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
So there is that.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
But Albert, thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
As always, you can see him on Amazon NFL on
Prime later on tonight. Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the MMQB.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
What's happening, ab Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5 (40:40):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We're good? Are you expecting? Sounds so down? Albert? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Do I sound down? Okay? I don't know if it's
play overcast in raining here, so maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Maybe maybe, Oh, you're one of those guys who lets
the weather dictate how they feel. Cool? Got it?
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Wow? That that was?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That was I mean, I'm just saying it sounds like
a bit of mindset. I'd changed your mind? Whd notchally
getting that alpha mindset?
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
You guys are the ones who called me out. I
actually think I'm doing okay. I'm pretty resilient. But if
you guys my voice, maybe that's it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Okay, So, ab, I got to ask you, are you
expecting some fireworks before the game between t J Watt
and Miles Garrett, who apparently was upset that TJ threw
a little shade during the Defensive Player of the Year
honor last year, expecting to throw down Maybe he takes
his helmet off and beats him with it again or.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
What that would be? That would be highly entertaining. I
think that would be good for ratings, right like, so
uh so, yeah, I'm all for it, no, I uh yeah,
it'll be interesting to see those two guys in the
field at the same time. I think, you know, given
that the Browns are where they are, and you know,
I I think playing out the string might be a
(41:49):
little strong, but you know, they're getting to that point,
you know. Like I think one of the night one
of the cool subplots is, you know, two of the
best defensive players in football over the last five years,
you know who both won that award having having a
chance to be on the same field at the same time.
You know, obviously there's a lot more on the line,
i'd say for Pittsburgh right now. In Cleveland, though, as
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its routine standpoint, no.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Doubt about it. I want to ask you, though, just
about the Cleveland Browns. First off, are you in Cleveland
right now?
Speaker 5 (42:19):
No? No, no, no, no, okay, I've heard it. I've heard.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I've heard it's snow to night, right, I mean, it's snowing.
I'm in Columbus now. It's snowing here now, which is
the first snow of the year, so a little early
for it, but shockingly it's it's kind of sticking to
at least from what I've seen. But we'll see how
that continues.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
My question for you, though, is the Browns head coaching
situation It just seems odd that a guy who was
head coach of the Year in the NFL a year ago,
and despite all the troubles that he's kind of gone
through this year, especially with injuries, how he could all
of a sudden be on the hot seat when it
feels like the thing that's been most detrimental to Browns
has been the quarterback situation, which doesn't feel like it
(43:00):
was Kevin Stefanski's doing. It feels like it's more Jimmy
has them. If anyone or even Andrew Berry, the general manager.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah, I would say I would say two things on that. First,
I wouldn't necessarily buy into the perception that Kevin's in trouble.
I think it would take some catastrophic down the stretch
for him to be gone. So I think Kevin will
be back. I think Andrew Berry will be back in
twenty twenty five. I think those guys have earned a
mull again, especially after last year. You know, they were
(43:29):
dealing with a lot of these same things last year,
just from an injury standpoint, you know, playing with five
different quarterbacks and being down to their fourth and fifth
tackles and having the receiver injuries they had last year
and they still made the playoffs and this year hasn't
gone the same way. But I would say that this
Brady that the has them has messed a lot of
(43:51):
things up over their first few years as owners. And
you know, I think it took them a while to
get to a model that they really like. That they
really do like this model, and this model has actually
brought them a good, good amount of success over the
last five years. So I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised
if Kevin was gone and I And the other thing
(44:13):
I'd say, just on the Watson thing is I think
everybody has taken their share of blame for that. I
think there's blood on everybody's hands, you know. You know,
and just knowing a little bit about like the planning
on that going forward, it does sound like, you know,
the quarterback plan is going to shift a little bit
coming out of this year. Obviously, the contract puts them
in a really tough spot. But you know, I'm my
(44:36):
understanding is, you know, the they're gonna shake up the
quarterback room a little bit and try to put some
competition in there for next year. Knowing that really because
Deshaun Watson Vener there's not much and has a guaranteed contract.
There's not much they can do about about his place
on the roster.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Aybe a lot going on in Dallas in terms of
not a lot going on, but there just seems to
be this campaign that is I mean, is it trying
to gain traction? It continues to be spoken about with
Shador and coach Prime possibly being a package deal ending
(45:12):
up in in Dallas. Is there any real validity to this?
Is this is this just talking or is this something
that like really actually could seriously be in consideration.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
I don't know, LeVar. You have to kind of like
look at like what it would take for that to happen,
right like and and like the amount of hoops that
people would have a jumper to make that happen. I mean,
first of all, they might need to have the first
pick in the draft. Second of all, you know, they
would they would, they would. They would need to be
comfortable with the fact that they just paid Dak Prescott
(45:47):
sixty million dollars per year and they can't get out
of a contract for another couple of years. So now
like you're bringing in Beyond to coach the team, his
son is a backup but you're locked into this other
guy for the next couple of years, which in some
circumstances might make sense because you might say, okay, like
we want to do it like Atlanta did it, like
where they've got cousins for the next year or two
(46:08):
and then they'll transition it over to Pennix. But is
that really going to work, you know? And is that
going to put Dak in the best position to succeed?
So you know, all this stuff sounds great, you know,
I just don't know how it all comes together. Now
we're talking about Dion as a head coaching candidate in
the vacuum. Maybe that's a little bit different, but I
don't know where you know, Jerry and Steven Jones look
(46:31):
at it, say, yeah, we just paid sixty million dollars
for for for Dak Prescott Prescott, but let's go ahead
and trade up to to to go and get this
other quarterback. Will take away that the advantage you have
with a quarterback and a rookie deal because you won't
have that financial advantage with Dak's contract on the on
(46:53):
the books, and we'll go forward with a with a guy. Well,
I think most people and I don't know Brady. You
probably a better perspective on this, but I think most
teams view should as like a good not great quarterback prospect.
So it doesn't even feel like you'd be swinging to
the fences on that one.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I mean, he's going to be the number one quarterback.
I think he solidified himself as that. But in regards
to this class and how it's viewed, it's accurate. This
isn't last year's class where you feel like you have
five guys who can go inside what the top ten
or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, yeah, I would say, yeah, I would say this
is this class is viewed in very, very differently. I
do think I'm with you to based on the people
I've talked to, I think chadur is probably the leader
in the club, has to be the first guy off
the board. Carson Beck like has really flattened out. I
know he played well last week, but it's flattened out
(47:42):
quinn Ewers. I mean, the question is where the feeling
is with him? Uh, cam Ward? Can you go from
being like a six or seventh round pick last year
and all of a sudden being a high first round pick.
I just I don't know, I don't know looking at
this class that this is going to be. I mean,
it may not be as bad as twenty two. You know,
where you had Kenny Pick in the first round, and
(48:02):
I think that that's you know, two or three guys
went in the third round. But it may be closer
to that than it is to last year. It's not
a great year to be able for a quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. You
can get him on x at Albert Breer. So I
want to ask you because we were talking obviously about
the Jets situation yesterday, and you know GM's gone now,
head coach is gone, seems like Aaron Rodgers is going
to be gone. Seems like Woody Johnson has got a
heavy hand in the organization now as he's.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Walking through the build.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
I know that there's only thirty two of these things,
but like, if you're a head coach or like a GM,
who would want to be a part of that A
b Like, it feels like this is maybe the worst
situation in the NFL, and as long as he's there,
there's no sign of improvement.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Yeah, and I think you're right to say that it's
one of thirty two, So they'll find somebody, you know,
But if you're somebody with options, why would you do it?
I mean, and this isn't a new problem, Like there's
Joe Douglas got a six year deal there because of this,
because like the perception of the job was that you
couldn't trust ownership and that ownership was going to mess
(49:10):
everything up and be a problem eventually, and and and
and and that's come true with with the with the
latest group in there. And that's not saying that Robert
Salin and Joe Douglas didn't didn't, you know, put themselves
in a position for this to be the result they did,
you know, I mean Salah had three plus years, didn't
make the playoffs, Joe Douglas had five plus years, didn't
(49:31):
make the playoffs. Is what it is, and the NFL,
it generally gets you fired. But that also doesn't mean
that the owner isn't a problem. And what you hear
from people, even people who won there, even people who
had a good experience, and like what he is, that
what he listens to too many nons football people and
makes decisions based on football matters, based sometimes on what
(49:52):
those people say, and what he is acutely aware of
what's being said on the internet, in particular social media,
and that can affect the decision making too, and it
shows up all over the place, guys like for example, right, like,
so they fire Robert sala I believe it was on
a Tuesday, right that Wednesday, they did not have an
offer on the table for DeVante Adams, period. There was
(50:13):
no offer on the table. Yet somehow five days later
they're trading a day two pick away for him, right,
I mean you tell me, like DeVante Adams had been
available for a few weeks at that point, Like, how
do you go from one to the other? It doesn't
make sense, you know, It's just I mean, these sorts
of things exist all over and I mean it's even like,
(50:34):
you know with the head coach, like right, like, so
you fire the head coach. It's like, well, why did
you do that? Well? Because of the record, Okay, well
what does that help? Right now? That's the question the
players were asking. And the players look at it and say, well,
the strength of our teams are defense. You're removing the
architect of the defense from the equation. You're taking a
defensive coordinator who we like in Jeff Ulbrick and you're
(50:55):
spreading him thin and lo and behold, like the defense,
which was top of the league five games, has is
allowing in his last six games, you know, more than
one hundred yards more per game and ten points more
per game. I mean, you tell me, you know what
I mean. Like, it's just it's just it's like they're
pushing buttons to push buttons, and and that's what you're
(51:15):
dealing with with that owner. And uh, you know, I
don't think it gives the football people the best chance
to succeed, even if again, like Joe Douglas and Robert
Solom made their own bed with with the win loss record.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I just have one more question the Daniel Jones situation
in New York. Since we're in New York, how how
does that how does that play out? I mean, the
players are feeling a certain type of way, seems like,
I mean, how does this impact day Ball and his authority?
How does this impact the reputation of the New York Giants? Good?
Speaker 5 (51:46):
I mean, I would say this, LeVar, I've seen some
of the stuff that's out there on Daniel Jones. I
would say, on the flip side, like the coaches and
players like I have shown a lot of frustration with
Daniel Jones, and it's even like opponents can see it
on the All twenty two believe it or not, Like
there were examples from that game against Carolina where you
(52:08):
see like like a visible reaction from the sideline when
when Daniel Jones is missing throws, you know, and like
there was the flea flicker where you get two guys
wide open. Both guys might score a touchdown if he
pulled the trigger insteady East the ball and takes an
eight yards sack. You know, there's a player early in
that game where he throws the ball over molikue neighbor's head,
where Molik saw it come off with the get off
(52:29):
off off Shones's hand and he knew it was me
so far over said he just walked off the field.
Like the body language from the players, from the coaches
has been really bad the last few weeks. And so
you say what you will about like the players, you know,
being like upset about this happening or whatever. I don't
(52:50):
know that to be the case is a widespread basis.
I just tell you, you know what what what's showing
up in that building and what has shown up in
that building is a lot of frustrat omber the way
Daniel Jones played, And I think that's part of the
reason why they go to Tommy DeVito here is like
if you go to Drew Lock, like you're taking a
swing right, like you're seeing like okay, like is there
something here for the future. I think going to Tommy
(53:12):
DeVito is just trying to get everybody back to level ground,
you know, and we know he knows the offense and
we've seen him play, so like, let's just get everybody
back in a position where they can individually do their
job at the highest level possible.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
He is Albert Breer, Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, Senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the MMQB and again
you can get him on X at Albert Breer AB.
We appreciate it, we'll watch tonight and we'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
All right, Thanks guys,
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