August 13, 2026 • 41 mins
On this Thursday edition of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Brady Quinn & LaVar Arrington recap the Browns unique plan of starting Deshaun Watson one game & Shedeur Sanders the next for preseason. Plus, the guys hear from JJ McCarthy's response to losing the starting QB job to Kyler Murray, we have a Darren Waller edition of ICYMI, and more!!
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we got some more news coming out of training camps.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
We're getting a little bit I guess we're.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Getting closer to some teams making some decisions as to
who's gonna lead their teams, lead their offense. And I
know we're gonna talk about a team that you love.
It's somewhere near and dear in your heart because you
grew up as a young boy in Pittsburgh probably hating them.
And that's the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I didn't hate them.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
You didn't hate them.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Okay, No, I didn't hate them. I liked her so much. Yeah,
just more of a rival, yep.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Okay, all right, that's say it is.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, that being said, though, Todd Munkin, the head coach
of the Cleveland Browns, has made the decision to start
Deshaun Watson for the first preseason game. Now, that doesn't
mean that he's gonna get to start in the next one.
In fact, the next preseason game will be started by
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
But the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Battle looks like there's a slight edge to DeShawn. I
think that's how i'd look at that. Is that how
you see that by Deshaun Watson getting the first crack
at it as a starting QB?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I believe that it's it's more in favor of him starting,
which I think we've all said that it it skews
his way, you know, So yeah, I mean, like you said, though,
this is more like stage management right now. Like I
think they believe it's going to be Deshaun Watson that starts,
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but for him to for Monkin to say they're both
going to get a half, it's just gonna be watching
this week, It'll be Shador next week. They're both going
to get a two minute drill. Like the idea of
it is is that he's he's managing it. And and
I just again, if you're going to name a starter,
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name a starter if you're not, which it doesn't sound
like he has. He hasn't named a starter, So maybe
he genuinely genuinely doesn't know who he wants to start. Q.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Do you think that's it?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Like, is it about genuinely not knowing or is it
about knowing winning the job? So he's waiting for that moment.
Your coaches sometimes talk about that moment, that scrimmage, that practice.
I mean that again, not trying to throw the little
bit that I've helped out with our eighth grade football
team this year, but we had a scrimmage last night
and went back watched over the film. And then there's,
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for example, I'll just be transparent, there's a receiver who
you know, he kind of got a late start into
joining the team, but you know, the one thing I
told him he could do is block his tail off
every time in every running play. And there was times
when he messed up some of the past routes, but
you know what he did every single running play. He
blocked better than anyone on the entire field, that include
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the old line. I mean literally pancaked a few kids
a few times, and I'm sitting there going there. It
is like, that's the kid that I sit there and
go if he's coachable, if he's gonna do the things
that you ask him to do, you're gonna thrust him
in there. So he kind of had that moment for
me like hey man, there's a lot to work with here.
And so as a coach, I feel like I'm looking,
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I'm thinking, yeah, he's starting now. Like I'll show that
on tape today to these kids and I'll say, this
is what you got to do. If you want to
play like, you've got to be coachable, You've got to
do the things we're asking you to do and you
got to help out your teammate. And I know that's
at a rudimentary level, but you know, even at the
NFL level like right now, I think Deshaun Watson pro
probably gets the first crack at it, and it's not
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Schador out of the gate in the first preseason game
because they most likely feel confident about the experience of
Deshaun Watson, and from listening to a lot of the
folks in Cleveland who are at those camps who are
talking about the Browns, that seems to be the one
thing they're hanging their hat on because if it's between
the two throwing the football right now, there's a lot
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of people who feel like Shador throws the better ball
he's had, you know, equally at times as good of
a camp with not better. So to me, I look
at this go maybe it's just the fact that they
haven't had that moment where one of the two quarterbacks
hasn't separated themselves, and that could very well come in
one of these preseason games. I just wonder if there's
still going to be that experience factor that's hard to
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overlook that Deshaun Watson has.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
All Right, So.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
How do you if you haven't had that moment yet,
how do you really get to that moment? Like, don't
you got to have a good Like you referenced coaches,
I'll go back to referencing coaching. When when I did
I knew who my starting starting quarterback was going to be.
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Now I didn't like that he was going to be
my starting quarterback, but nonetheless I made him my starting quarterback.
Did I did I try to develop onw more guys?
He was going to be your guy? Well, because he
wasn't good? So why was he a starting quarterback? Because
he was the best, the best good we had?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And so and and what ended up happening is what
anybody else would do. I ended up having to put
our best athlete at quarterback at some point during the
season to try to save our season, you know. And
I just know the first thing I thought, and I
had kind of kind of slipped my mind. It's like,
I know you're a new head coach, but tell me,
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at what listen, take this with a grain of salt.
I guess these days just because of what the Pro
Bowl has become. But if I came in as a
new coach, What is one of the first things I'm
looking for when I look at my roster or who
are my elite players? And if I'm looking down that
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roster to see who my elite players are, you know,
I'm looking for who my All pros are, who was
named All Pro, I'm looking who got any awards, who
was named to the Pro Bowl. Like, you have a
Pro Bowl quarterback from last season. What other position would
Todd Monkin have come in and said, you got to
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battle it out for your position after you're coming off
of a Pro Bowl season. Now, whether he deserved the
Pro Bowl or not, that can be debated, certainly, but
nonetheless he dig get get the alternate role of being
a Pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You're base.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean technically, technically, Deshaun Watson's been a Pro Bowl
in the past.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
And can I read you the stat line for hold on,
let me read the stat line.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
For Shador because it does feel like it's a little
bit like, I don't know if that counts. So in
seven games he completed fifty I'll give him fifty seven percent.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Of the passes.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's not even that high of a number through seven
touchdowns to ten interceptions, had a quarterback rating of sixty eight,
had a QBR of eighteen point nine, which is very
not good, not good at all. Was sacked twenty three
times in those games, so so basically sacked more than
three times a game. That is not a Pro Bowl
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stat like that. That sounds to be like, hey, he's
just one of the guys who wanted to play and
picked up the phone. If we're being honest, and because
there's a fan component and everything else.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I understand it's debatable.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
In fact, I'm not even quite sure we've ever had
until this past Pro Bowl. Would have to look this up,
so don't quote me on it, but I think logic
would tell us. I'm not sure we've ever had a
negative touchdown interception ratio like we had last year with
Shador and I don't think we've ever had a quarterback
represent in the Pro Bowl with those numbers.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
And maybe it's time to discredit the Pro Bowl. Maybe,
But I'm just saying, within.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
The realm of logic, at what point in time is
a Pro bowler fighting for their job the next season?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's all I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I would see this one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I did lead with that. I did lead with it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Good, No My point is this, I think they're like, look,
if no one's won the job out right yet, then
then you look go.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Through the preseason games how things go.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
But there tends to moments like I could tell you
my moment when I was in Cleveland quarterback battle with
Derek Anderson.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I know the exact moment.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
We were playing the Tennessee Titans, and you know, we
were still kind of battling things out.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I got my opportunity in that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think it was the third preseason game, and you
know I remember throwing a skinny post to Braylin, hit
him right on the numbers touchdown.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
It was kind of that drive that that was it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And honestly, coming into that season in that quarterback battle,
you know Eric Manngei took over as our head coach,
and I was told by our quarterback coach, Carl Smith
we call him Tater. He was like, yeah, Eric really
likes Derek and he mentioned exactly what you just said.
He goes, you know, he doesn't understand why he can't
be a Pro Bowl every year. You know, he watched
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the two thousand and seven tape. Obviously this was in
two thousand and nine, so it was a couple of
years before that, but he was still talking about that
and how he would He basically wanted Derek to win
the job, and it didn't work out that way. But
his first sign that we struggled offensively, he benched me
and put Derek in, and then Derek struggled mightily because
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it wasn't just me, it was our entire offense. And
we had a first time play caller, you know, as
a player, so there was a lot of working out,
you know, what his identity was, how he was going
to call plays. We had obviously an offensive line that was,
you know, young in some spots. Alex Mack he was
a phenomenal player. He was still a rookie. So there
are some still some things we're working on our kinks.
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We had some new guys too that'd come in and play,
in particular on the right side, right guard, right tackle.
We had moved on from guys like Briylan Edwards, guys
like Kellen Winslow, guys who were big time playmakers for us,
and so all those things kind of led to us
being like, dude, we were starting over again. You know.
We got two rookie wide receivers who are one and two,
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and so it was really really hard to you know,
find ways when and you know this, when you have
played even just a season in the NFL and you
go through that, then you're going into kind of your
next year.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
It's like once you played.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Long and if you realize, you know, there's a lot
that you didn't know when you're a rookie and you're
still growing, you're still learning, and so it becomes hard
to make that come altogether, and especially on an offense
where there's a lot of thinking involved.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So you know, let me get you this.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That was kind of my moment with it, and then
it was kind of like, all right, well, that doesn't
mean anything that once you get in the season, because
once you get the season, people's jobs on their lines,
so a lot of things can change over the course.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Of the year. Two.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Off of the log logic that you just used with
your own moment and just that experience, I bet we're
all curious, how did it make you feel like you
knew that a coach another coach liked the other guy
you get the opportunity you win the job, was that
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on your neck when you went into the game that
they liked Derrick Anderson More and how did you feel
when they benched you to put Derrick Anderson in? And
how did you feel after? Like to me, these are
the reasons. Those are the very thoughts to me that
make it a very very difficult proposition for the guy
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in that position to be successful. I just don't see
how you can have any type of real solid feelings
of trust or solid feelings of like being able to
play your game loose, which is when you play your
best games is when you're loose and you low the
things to flow and what you've worked on, and yet
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you know that looming is if I make a mistake,
especially after they did it, like, oh, you weren't playing well,
they did it. They did what you were probably thinking,
how did you like? How did that make you feel?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Like?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Because that, to me is the most important piece of
this because that's probably what both of these quarterbacks are
feeling right now.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And the similarity is the fact that you know it
was a new coach, just like Todd Munkin, right, we
had just gotten Eric Manjini, so you're still building that
trust with that coach. The hard thing for me, though, too,
was I had a big escalator in my contract, so
if I played a certain amount, I was going to
get a big bump in my salary or a bonus,
(14:10):
I should say, And it is so basically, it was
a playtime incentive. And one of the toughest parts was
when when things got started off that season. You know,
there were there were some rough spots because we're still
ironing out the offense. You know, there was even times
where we practiced certain things that we didn't even run.
Like I remember opening up against Minnesota that year, we
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had practiced kind of this five wide no huddle, and
we didn't run until the very end of the game
and we drove.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Right down and I think I'd throw a touchdown pass to.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Robert Royal, and it was like one of those deals
where you're saying, all right, like there's a lot in
this operation that's kind of frustrating because we're not running
the things we're actually practicing. And I don't know if
that's a lack of trust in me, a trust in
our offense, a trust in you know, calling plays. Right,
when you're a first time off's coordinator, you feel like
every single time you're calling a play, it's kind of
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on you. It's it's part of your resume because you're
putting it out there on tape two. So there was
a lot of questions just about the entire operation, how things,
you know, if you could trust you know, a coach
asked for a quarterback battle is like, hey, it's your job,
take it and go.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You know that whole thing that they can say that
to you.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But I know in the back of my mind he
wants the other guy ultimately, or that's what he thinks.
So even after thinking that, it's like, all right, we'll
see like if those true awards are truly you know, real,
or if that's going to change. So as we got
through it, and look, we played again a good Minnesota
Vikings team. Adrian Peterson I think ripped off almost a
bajillion yards that that game on as Brett Farbes's first
(15:40):
game there. You know, you've got week two or playing
Denver in Denver and that was the year they kind
of ripped off that really hot start with Josh.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
McDaniels as their head coach.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think they went six and o right to start
the season and kind of fizzled out, but still like
really really tough beginning the season.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
They beat New England that year too.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There was a whole big, you know story about that,
and so we get a ball tomorrow after that, which,
again this is back in two thousand and nine. Baltimore
is still rolling great defense. Obviously offensively, they still can
make some plays. I think I was like six for
eight with like one poor decision up being a pick,
you know, got fooled on coverage. And when we go
in halftime and he had said, hey, I'm gonna put
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Derek in the second half, I was kind of like
thinking to myself, man, like one one decision, that's it.
And I felt like there was a lot of other
issues other than me. So as I'm watching the second half,
go you know, Derek throws three more and you sit
there and just go okay, like I'm gonna get another
crack at it the next week. And so after the game,
when he's like, no, we're actually gonna go with the
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other guy, I'm thinking that you could have done differently. Yeah,
well that at that point you're just going like, well
I didn't do that, Like, I mean, you also one
didn't give me the chance to.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Throw more in it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
But if if I threw three picks, I would have
understood it and it could probably could have been four,
but like, like, I didn't do that. So you come
back the next week You're like, Okay, I have to
prepare as a backup, and then I'll As things continue
to struggle offensively, you're like, all right, well it's not
just me, and I obviously want to try to find
a way of getting an opportunity. So all you can
really do is wait for your next chance, you know.
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And I remember there was a couple of guys on
the scout team, you know, I kind of got closer
to as we would run different you know, things like that,
and we would just try to torch the defense. And
then it got to a point where you also lost
all trust in the coach and anything that he said.
And then I think it as well. And then and the
problem was as Derek and I got closer even through
some of that because of what he was.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Big now, yeah, both looking at him on the same page,
looking at the coaches like that.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Is I remember like getting dinner together and go and
just talking about what they were each kind of saying,
and you're just like, man, you can't trust any of
these jokers like that. That's how we felt and so
then it became more of like a we were just
trying to help each other out. Like I was obviously
like dude, we just got to make the best of
what we can and that was it. And unfortunately for me,
like I sat out, which is this was this was
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not fitter to him. Like I remember, we went to Chicago,
and if I didn't play in the.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
First half, there's no way I can earn that incentive.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And sure enough, after the first half goes by, you know,
Derek had I got to get kind of a rough game,
and then again they're like, hey, go in and I'm
like okay.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
So so they kind of knew how the season was
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It wasn't gonna work out great, and then they were
just gonna reset after the season, but let's make sure
we don't have to pay him his incentive.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
So there was a there's a portion of that that too,
was about the contract.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We got asked about it a lot, and there's not
really much you can say at the time, but I.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Think everyone really knew what that was about.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And they can you know, they can deny whatever they want,
but the reality is, like our offense started to you know,
pick up play better after that, you know, we lost
a couple of closer games.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
To Detroit, to.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
To San Diego, where like, you know, I was playing
better at that point, and then I got hurt, you know,
so that that was kind of it. And then Derek
went back in. So there was just it was a
constant evolving door. But when you go back and look
at like that season and just the Browns where they're at.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Now, it's the same thing. And part of that's the
fact that the record.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
We went, I think there's a five and eleven, four
and twelve something like that which really reripped off all
the wins at the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
That might be exactly how it happens this year.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and that's why that's why ultimately, like we can
talk about the Browns and who they decided to go with,
but it's probably not going to be the last start
that they have.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, if history tells us anything.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And wildly and the last one standing.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And he'll probably get some to some time in there
to play quarterback at some point, right, I mean, either
via injury, either via poor play.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I mean, that's the truth is.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I don't think Todd Monkin wants to wait for these
guys to figure it out, and it is a bit
interesting that they've just kind of casted Dylan Gabriel to
the side. It seems to only be about the Shaun
Watson and Shadoor Sanders. And maybe you say, well, yeah,
they don't feel good about Dylan Gabriel, But there's times
when you see me and he plays and operates the
offense well, and it's just odd that he isn't more
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part of that conversation. But again, those guys are the
ones of valuating and they're behind closed doors so they
know better. But that's the only thing I can take
away from my experiences. There has to be a moment.
But even in that moment, and even whoever they announce
is the guy, it may not work out to be
that way. You know, it may change at some point,
and it probably will change if again, history tends to
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repeat itself.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So I wish I could say this all far.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I wish I could say the Browns were embarking on
a new frontier, but it feels like the same Browns
that well they.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
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not the LifeLock no letting right right before? Then?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Well, I mean some of us will be here, it's
all I.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Could have been. I will be in tomorrow too.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
But they you said low blow, I said low blow,
and you said caler Murray.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So let's let's let's build off of that. Yeah, let's
see let's build off a low blowing all right, how
low would your low blow have to be? For Caler Murray?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
By the way, that's that's more Jonas's wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know, he's more into the uh you know, the
horse jockeys at Saratoga right now, or all the all
the things that.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
He would try to make about.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Caller Murray not being more than all right, listen, I'm
not trying okay, I'm not trying to get off track either.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I'm not trying to get but I.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Did what God, would he qualify for a jockey? Though?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Could he be a jockey? No, he's way too big
for a jockey. But I did see a stat This
is where I want to come in defence.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
For Caler Murray.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Okay, the average I think the average height in the
United States is five foot nine. So caller, yes, without
a doubt, he's taller than the average guy in the
United States. You have to get no respect whatsoever. And
in fact, if you're over six foot two, you are
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in the top four percent of male men as far
as height in America, and if you're over six foot
four you're in the top one percent. So people tend
to forget, like how rare. The size of some of
these athletes, whether it's the NFL or the NBA or whoever,
like these when you see these guys and you're like, oh.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Little six foot like No, that like that's still a blessing.
Like they are.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
They are bigger and taller than you think, and definitely
more than the average American. So let's just always put
that into perspective.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Okay, Yeah, and it's a win for shorter for guys
that are barely above average, it's a win.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Win, it's a win. It's a way. Yeah, they can say, Okay,
I'm I'm the same size or taller than Calamburi.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I would say this though, about the quarterback situation. You
and I both kind of agree.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
When they brought Calimari in, it was clear that Kevin O'Connell,
they weren't just looking for competition. They wanted to bring
someone in who they felt like could win the job.
Would be the guy. Well, they've made that announcement. Now
the tough part is is what happens afterwards when you're
a quarterback in that situation.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And here's what Jaj McCarthy had to say.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Look, you know the decision was made that was out
of my control, and obviously every competitor wants to play,
but moving forward, it's just about continuing to work hard
and just staying ready for one my numbers called, what
were your initial thoughts when you found out the decision
had been made?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Obviously disappointed.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
You know, I'm a competitor, but at the end of
the day, you know it's in the past and I'm
moving on to the next practice, the next rep. The
same mindset I had going into it and focusing on
the giants this week?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
How do you say it?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
And there's so many things out of our control, like
the heat today, and you know, it's just really having
the discernment to figure out which of the two, and
you know that was one of the things outside of
my control, and me attacking and not demizing every opportunity
which was in my control, and that's all I was
focused on.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
JJ. Do you feel like you're a starting quarterback in
the NFL?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
NFL Why, yes, I believe so.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You know, I'm always going to have that confidence in
myself no matter what, but at this time, it's doing
whatever I can for the team, and you know, being ready.
When my numbers called and that's all that matters.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
That's all I can control J McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
In some ways, Yeah, I mean literally, the position he's
in now is all he can do is prepare to
get better and hopefully the next opportunity he gets, he excels.
Look here's the thing about JJ that I think a
lot of people they don't. I mean, all these quarterbacks
that came in from his draft class are coming in
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different ways. Right he'd won a national championship, people would
kind of knocked how they went about doing it. He
wasn't asked to do a lot in regards to a
lot of the attempts, but when he had to make
throws he did, and we had to step up and
make plays he did, and there's evidence of that on film.
So you can't hold that against him just because he
ran in an offense that wasn't necessarily slinging all over
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the field, But that didn't mean there wasn't development that
needed to take place and they wouldn't have to iron
some things out. He obviously lost his rookie season due
to injury. He only got what ten starts last year,
which he did help their team win six of them.
The hard part is is I think Kevin O'Connell is
a really good evaluator of quarterbacks. He played quarterback himself.
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He knows what he wants. A lot of guys who
have played with in that system have had a really
good year. And it's not just Koc it's also being
able to throw to Justin Jefferson and how they used
Justin Jefferson within that offense. But that being said, now
Jaj McCarthy is on island. He's got to realize that
the only thing he can do is what he gets
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that next opportunity is thrive, and every single day in
between is proved to his teammates that he's improving, he's
locked in, he's engaged, there can't be any doubt, any
wavering and I think he's the type of character that
can do that. So I don't worry about him from
that standpoint. I just worry if he gets another opportunity
because I do think Caler Murray will excel within this offense.
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And I'm higher on Minnesota than most, which I think
if you look at their over underwin loss total for
this upcoming season, I believe it's said in eight and
a half, Patty, you can correct me if I'm wrong
on that, and I believe they're slated to be the
last place within the division. Now it's a very competitive division.
I think you'd agree, like Detroit, Green Bay, the last
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team to stay from Chicago, all those teams, which by
the way, they might not be Chicago when it's all
said and done, we'll get to that. All those teams
will be buying for playoff spots. So they've got the
work cut out for him. But I do.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Feel like Caler Murray will excel and J. J. McCarthy
can still be the type.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Of quarterback that when his number is called, when he
gets that next opportunity, he is able to go in
and thrive. So I'm optimistic for him still despite all
of this, and I do think he's the type of
guy that's mentally wired himself to believe that he's still
a starting quarterback in this league.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
At some point, I still think it's it's damning that
this was your starter from last year. They did not
have a good year last year. They did work to
bring in a quarterback that could compete or take the
job after and and I'll say after you let Sam
Darnold go because you thought that he could step in
(30:26):
JJ McCarthy could step in and be the guy, and
he wasn't. So I just I get a tabic perplexed
when I hear him say it's out of his control.
It was totally in your control. You were the guy
that was in the driver's seat to show that you
should be the starter, and you had that for an
entire season and you didn't take advantage of it. So
(30:50):
when you played as poorly as you did, and all
of the elements are still the same that are there
that were around you last year, and so to me,
if pretty much the core nucleus of what you had
let and you get Darris All back, and that'll be
you know, that'll be a pretty important comeback. You know, addition,
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because I had to give the quarterback that's in there
a little bit more protection. But the reality of it
is is that he did control what happened, and if
he hadn't played so poorly, they wouldn't have been looking
for a new quarterback. You make the move to get
Kyler Murray. He's a high profile guy. So now that
tells you, that indicates and triggers off already every alarm
(31:34):
that says we don't believe in JJ McCarthy to be
our starting quarterback. Those alarms and those red flex those
red flags are up. The alarms are going off. So
I can't assume or think that he's so naive that
he wouldn't have saw the handwriting on the wall the
minute that they signed Kyler Murray. And I know he
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says he's a competitor, and I know he believes that
he'll get his name called again.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But I think it just goes a little deeper. It
goes a little.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Bigger than maybe the scope of what he's broadcasting it,
you know, as to what it is. It's a deeper
it's a deeper issue. It's not about him being the
starter anymore for the Minnesota Vikings. And I think that's
that's apparent and evident now.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I think the other thing is when you have
a guy who comes in and that's his objective.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know, Kyler's coming in there to start, He's coming
there to be the guy. I mean, he's doing the
same thing for his career.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, like a lot of our conversations centered on
Jaj McCarthy, Kyler Murray's with a new team. You know,
that organization moved on from him, and so he's trying
to do the same exact thing. And then he understands
the personnel they have there, he understands that this has
been an offense that's been, you know, pretty conducive to
helping quarterbacks build themselves back up. I mean, he's kind
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of falling in the path of Sam Darnold, if you will,
And so I feel like he sees that opportunity for himself.
And I think the toughest part now and this sounds
probably cheesy to a lot of people on the outside,
but it's real because anyone who works in a corporate office,
anyone who's sitting in a cube, book gole or in
a certain section of the office, or even just you know,
if you see your other coworkers throughout the day at
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certain parts, like when they make a decision to hire
someone over you, which is essentially what this is, and
you're still working there, you got to get along. And
that's not the easiest thing to do, in particular in
the NFL and a quarterback room, because you spend so
much time together.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Usually in a quarterback room. I mean, you are watching
film all day every day for hours.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And why I say hours, I'm saying I would bet
on any given day, it's a minimum of four hours
that you're watching, if not more so let's stay up
to six depending on in season, between watching your practice,
watching your installs, what you're going to put in, watching
the other team, watching other teams out there and some
of the things they're doing, and then watching what you're
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preparing for the next day. Like that's all just in
one day, and so there's a good there's a minimum,
I would say of four hours because that's a lot
of that's just with your team and your quarterback coach
or your offense, watching different installs or watching different tape,
and so there's a lot of time that you're sitting
there just quarterbacks and you're talking about concepts. You're talking
about this or how you see things, or hey, what
(34:15):
do you guys want to watch? Or let's watch this game,
or let's like they have personnel similar to us, so
let's go watch that game and how they matched up
because the NFL is such a matchup driven league. Those
are all the things you're doing, like outside of when
you're actually there with your team for everything else you
have scheduled. And that's the hard part is can you
get along, can things be truly copasthetic because they don't
have any history.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
You know, it's not like when was there when the
other one was drafted and then this is how it
worked out.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They brought Kyler in to replace him to be the guy,
and Kyler's on a mission, so he's not worried about
like JJ McCarthy's development. You know, if he gets hurt
and he comes in win some games because they're trying
to make the playoffs, so be it.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But like that's the tough part is can you both
get along and can.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You both continue to keep being guys that can and
have a working relationship despite the competitiveness.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
That exists within the room. And that's not an easy
thing to do.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Not easy. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
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Speaker 4 (36:20):
You missed it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
All right, for our first story, I was not aware
that apparently the tremendous Movement Sticks podcast typically hosted by
Daniel Jeremiah, who always does an amazing job, especially round
the draft time. He was a scout obviously back in
the day in the NFL and did a good job
with that then has turned into this media career. I
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was not aware though, that they're going they're kind of
splitting up, going their separate ways. Well, a lot of
people made me aware of it though, based on what
was put out there just two days ago.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
So on August eleventh, apparently the Move the.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Sticks podcast did some compilation of team previews from the
NFL's YouTube page, but they're claiming that it's not AI
generated with the host. However, I'm not sure if you
ever heard it, what you draw a conclusion to because
it's not a recognizable voice. I'm not sure where this
all exactly came from. And we do know now more
(37:20):
than ever, that AI is being used to generate some
of these videos, in particular if you don't see someone
on camera.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
So that was a bit odd to me.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But we're losing one of the best podcasts as I
think the NFL is trying to transition. I think Daniel
Jemi is doing his own thing, unless I'm wrong, unless
I miss that, is that what you have seen?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't know, man, I'm I'm not up on this one.
I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't
know well, but I'm pretty crazy. Yeah, that's that's game
to me. But but here's the thing, right, AI is
really in It's in full full blown mode. Like it's
(38:05):
hard to tell anymore. Like we always joke about that
right now, right, is that it's hard to tell what's
real and what isn't real anymore because AI has gotten
so sophisticated it's just difficult. So I don't know, man,
that's this is a This is a hard one to
kind of, you know, make sense of, like, because what
what is the I guess I would ask the question,
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what is the problem with with that?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Like, what would be the concern of it being AI
versus it being or.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
What a person? People brought up?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Uh, the fact that they thought, hey, is this Daniel
Jeremiah or they're using his voice?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Are they trying to use his name.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
His image and likeness via AI to then put forth
these videos and to what used to be his podcast.
I think that's the concern from his side of things
is obviously you wouldn't want that to be the case.
But then even from the NFL side, it's like, all right,
are we just cheaping?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Now? This is how we're doing this. We're just paying AI.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
We don't have a beloved host who can give us
some insight, give us some real world experience. You give
us some human experience to all this. Okay, So there's
all those things that I think come up with a story.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the podcast.
But I'm more to see where Daniel Jeremiah what he
does next, because he's always had an incredible informative podcast
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and he's always done a great job.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Breaking down the game of football.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Speaking of bringing down the game of football, the Carolina Panthers,
they had a free agent tied end but also a rapper.
That's right, Darren Waller. He agreed on Wednesday to a
one year deal. The thirty three year old playmaker. He
spent last season with the Dolphins, but he's worked with
Daryl Bevell, who's the panthers associate head coach and offensive specialist.
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Before that was Bevill was Miami's passing game coordinator and
quarterbacks coach last year. So a lot of familiarity with
the offense and obviously Bevell, but also in the rap
game or if he's gonna have time, have you heard
Basis loading? Have you heard Baron Davis? There's a few
other ones he's put out there.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I have not.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Wait, you're gonna get a sneak peak right now. We
may have to drop some of this, but we'll see.
We might have to.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's all we got. I think we're a little bit
concerned about that. Not safe for work. It's all right,
it's all right. We tried our best to get involved.
But it will be fun to see how his addition
to the Panthers team will help. I feel like this
is a team that there's not high expectations, But I
(40:40):
don't think there's low expectations either. I just think people
are curious to see what they can become.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Is that fair to say about the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yeah, they're a curious team. They're a curious one. We'll see, Yeah,
I think that. I think it is a great way
of looking at it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
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we got some more news coming out of training camps.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
We're getting a little bit I guess we're.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Getting closer to some teams making some decisions as to
who's gonna lead their teams, lead their offense. And I
know we're gonna talk about a team that you love.
It's somewhere near and dear in your heart because you
grew up as a young boy in Pittsburgh probably hating them.
And that's the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I didn't hate them.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
You didn't hate them.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Okay, No, I didn't hate them. I liked her so much. Yeah,
just more of a rival, yep.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Okay, all right, that's say it is.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, that being said, though, Todd Munkin, the head coach
of the Cleveland Browns, has made the decision to start
Deshaun Watson for the first preseason game. Now, that doesn't
mean that he's gonna get to start in the next one.
In fact, the next preseason game will be started by
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
But the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Battle looks like there's a slight edge to DeShawn. I
think that's how i'd look at that. Is that how
you see that by Deshaun Watson getting the first crack
at it as a starting QB?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I believe that it's it's more in favor of him starting,
which I think we've all said that it it skews
his way, you know, So yeah, I mean, like you said, though,
this is more like stage management right now. Like I
think they believe it's going to be Deshaun Watson that starts,
(02:59):
but for him to for Monkin to say they're both
going to get a half, it's just gonna be watching
this week, It'll be Shador next week. They're both going
to get a two minute drill. Like the idea of
it is is that he's he's managing it. And and
I just again, if you're going to name a starter,
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name a starter if you're not, which it doesn't sound
like he has. He hasn't named a starter, So maybe
he genuinely genuinely doesn't know who he wants to start. Q.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Do you think that's it?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Like, is it about genuinely not knowing or is it
about knowing winning the job? So he's waiting for that moment.
Your coaches sometimes talk about that moment, that scrimmage, that practice.
I mean that again, not trying to throw the little
bit that I've helped out with our eighth grade football
team this year, but we had a scrimmage last night
and went back watched over the film. And then there's,
(03:57):
for example, I'll just be transparent, there's a receiver who
you know, he kind of got a late start into
joining the team, but you know, the one thing I
told him he could do is block his tail off
every time in every running play. And there was times
when he messed up some of the past routes, but
you know what he did every single running play. He
blocked better than anyone on the entire field, that include
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the old line. I mean literally pancaked a few kids
a few times, and I'm sitting there going there. It
is like, that's the kid that I sit there and
go if he's coachable, if he's gonna do the things
that you ask him to do, you're gonna thrust him
in there. So he kind of had that moment for
me like hey man, there's a lot to work with here.
And so as a coach, I feel like I'm looking,
(04:40):
I'm thinking, yeah, he's starting now. Like I'll show that
on tape today to these kids and I'll say, this
is what you got to do. If you want to
play like, you've got to be coachable, You've got to
do the things we're asking you to do and you
got to help out your teammate. And I know that's
at a rudimentary level, but you know, even at the
NFL level like right now, I think Deshaun Watson pro
probably gets the first crack at it, and it's not
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Schador out of the gate in the first preseason game
because they most likely feel confident about the experience of
Deshaun Watson, and from listening to a lot of the
folks in Cleveland who are at those camps who are
talking about the Browns, that seems to be the one
thing they're hanging their hat on because if it's between
the two throwing the football right now, there's a lot
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of people who feel like Shador throws the better ball
he's had, you know, equally at times as good of
a camp with not better. So to me, I look
at this go maybe it's just the fact that they
haven't had that moment where one of the two quarterbacks
hasn't separated themselves, and that could very well come in
one of these preseason games. I just wonder if there's
still going to be that experience factor that's hard to
(05:45):
overlook that Deshaun Watson has.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
All Right, So.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
How do you if you haven't had that moment yet,
how do you really get to that moment? Like, don't
you got to have a good Like you referenced coaches,
I'll go back to referencing coaching. When when I did
I knew who my starting starting quarterback was going to be.
(06:12):
Now I didn't like that he was going to be
my starting quarterback, but nonetheless I made him my starting quarterback.
Did I did I try to develop onw more guys?
He was going to be your guy? Well, because he
wasn't good? So why was he a starting quarterback? Because
he was the best, the best good we had?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And so and and what ended up happening is what
anybody else would do. I ended up having to put
our best athlete at quarterback at some point during the
season to try to save our season, you know. And
I just know the first thing I thought, and I
had kind of kind of slipped my mind. It's like,
I know you're a new head coach, but tell me,
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at what listen, take this with a grain of salt.
I guess these days just because of what the Pro
Bowl has become. But if I came in as a
new coach, What is one of the first things I'm
looking for when I look at my roster or who
are my elite players? And if I'm looking down that
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roster to see who my elite players are, you know,
I'm looking for who my All pros are, who was
named All Pro, I'm looking who got any awards, who
was named to the Pro Bowl. Like, you have a
Pro Bowl quarterback from last season. What other position would
Todd Monkin have come in and said, you got to
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battle it out for your position after you're coming off
of a Pro Bowl season. Now, whether he deserved the
Pro Bowl or not, that can be debated, certainly, but
nonetheless he dig get get the alternate role of being
a Pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You're base.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean technically, technically, Deshaun Watson's been a Pro Bowl
in the past.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
And can I read you the stat line for hold on,
let me read the stat line.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
For Shador because it does feel like it's a little
bit like, I don't know if that counts. So in
seven games he completed fifty I'll give him fifty seven percent.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Of the passes.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's not even that high of a number through seven
touchdowns to ten interceptions, had a quarterback rating of sixty eight,
had a QBR of eighteen point nine, which is very
not good, not good at all. Was sacked twenty three
times in those games, so so basically sacked more than
three times a game. That is not a Pro Bowl
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stat like that. That sounds to be like, hey, he's
just one of the guys who wanted to play and
picked up the phone. If we're being honest, and because
there's a fan component and everything else.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I understand it's debatable.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
In fact, I'm not even quite sure we've ever had
until this past Pro Bowl. Would have to look this up,
so don't quote me on it, but I think logic
would tell us. I'm not sure we've ever had a
negative touchdown interception ratio like we had last year with
Shador and I don't think we've ever had a quarterback
represent in the Pro Bowl with those numbers.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
And maybe it's time to discredit the Pro Bowl. Maybe,
But I'm just saying, within.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
The realm of logic, at what point in time is
a Pro bowler fighting for their job the next season?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's all I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I would see this one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I did lead with that. I did lead with it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Good, No My point is this, I think they're like, look,
if no one's won the job out right yet, then
then you look go.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Through the preseason games how things go.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
But there tends to moments like I could tell you
my moment when I was in Cleveland quarterback battle with
Derek Anderson.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I know the exact moment.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
We were playing the Tennessee Titans, and you know, we
were still kind of battling things out.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I got my opportunity in that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think it was the third preseason game, and you
know I remember throwing a skinny post to Braylin, hit
him right on the numbers touchdown.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
It was kind of that drive that that was it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And honestly, coming into that season in that quarterback battle,
you know Eric Manngei took over as our head coach,
and I was told by our quarterback coach, Carl Smith
we call him Tater. He was like, yeah, Eric really
likes Derek and he mentioned exactly what you just said.
He goes, you know, he doesn't understand why he can't
be a Pro Bowl every year. You know, he watched
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the two thousand and seven tape. Obviously this was in
two thousand and nine, so it was a couple of
years before that, but he was still talking about that
and how he would He basically wanted Derek to win
the job, and it didn't work out that way. But
his first sign that we struggled offensively, he benched me
and put Derek in, and then Derek struggled mightily because
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it wasn't just me, it was our entire offense. And
we had a first time play caller, you know, as
a player, so there was a lot of working out,
you know, what his identity was, how he was going
to call plays. We had obviously an offensive line that was,
you know, young in some spots. Alex Mack he was
a phenomenal player. He was still a rookie. So there
are some still some things we're working on our kinks.
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We had some new guys too that'd come in and play,
in particular on the right side, right guard, right tackle.
We had moved on from guys like Briylan Edwards, guys
like Kellen Winslow, guys who were big time playmakers for us,
and so all those things kind of led to us
being like, dude, we were starting over again. You know.
We got two rookie wide receivers who are one and two,
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and so it was really really hard to you know,
find ways when and you know this, when you have
played even just a season in the NFL and you
go through that, then you're going into kind of your
next year.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
It's like once you played.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Long and if you realize, you know, there's a lot
that you didn't know when you're a rookie and you're
still growing, you're still learning, and so it becomes hard
to make that come altogether, and especially on an offense
where there's a lot of thinking involved.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So you know, let me get you this.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That was kind of my moment with it, and then
it was kind of like, all right, well, that doesn't
mean anything that once you get in the season, because
once you get the season, people's jobs on their lines,
so a lot of things can change over the course.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Of the year. Two.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Off of the log logic that you just used with
your own moment and just that experience, I bet we're
all curious, how did it make you feel like you
knew that a coach another coach liked the other guy
you get the opportunity you win the job, was that
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on your neck when you went into the game that
they liked Derrick Anderson More and how did you feel
when they benched you to put Derrick Anderson in? And
how did you feel after? Like to me, these are
the reasons. Those are the very thoughts to me that
make it a very very difficult proposition for the guy
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in that position to be successful. I just don't see
how you can have any type of real solid feelings
of trust or solid feelings of like being able to
play your game loose, which is when you play your
best games is when you're loose and you low the
things to flow and what you've worked on, and yet
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you know that looming is if I make a mistake,
especially after they did it, like, oh, you weren't playing well,
they did it. They did what you were probably thinking,
how did you like? How did that make you feel?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Like?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Because that, to me is the most important piece of
this because that's probably what both of these quarterbacks are
feeling right now.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And the similarity is the fact that you know it
was a new coach, just like Todd Munkin, right, we
had just gotten Eric Manjini, so you're still building that
trust with that coach. The hard thing for me, though, too,
was I had a big escalator in my contract, so
if I played a certain amount, I was going to
get a big bump in my salary or a bonus,
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I should say, And it is so basically, it was
a playtime incentive. And one of the toughest parts was
when when things got started off that season. You know,
there were there were some rough spots because we're still
ironing out the offense. You know, there was even times
where we practiced certain things that we didn't even run.
Like I remember opening up against Minnesota that year, we
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had practiced kind of this five wide no huddle, and
we didn't run until the very end of the game
and we drove.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Right down and I think I'd throw a touchdown pass to.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Robert Royal, and it was like one of those deals
where you're saying, all right, like there's a lot in
this operation that's kind of frustrating because we're not running
the things we're actually practicing. And I don't know if
that's a lack of trust in me, a trust in
our offense, a trust in you know, calling plays. Right,
when you're a first time off's coordinator, you feel like
every single time you're calling a play, it's kind of
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on you. It's it's part of your resume because you're
putting it out there on tape two. So there was
a lot of questions just about the entire operation, how things,
you know, if you could trust you know, a coach
asked for a quarterback battle is like, hey, it's your job,
take it and go.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You know that whole thing that they can say that
to you.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But I know in the back of my mind he
wants the other guy ultimately, or that's what he thinks.
So even after thinking that, it's like, all right, we'll
see like if those true awards are truly you know, real,
or if that's going to change. So as we got
through it, and look, we played again a good Minnesota
Vikings team. Adrian Peterson I think ripped off almost a
bajillion yards that that game on as Brett Farbes's first
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game there. You know, you've got week two or playing
Denver in Denver and that was the year they kind
of ripped off that really hot start with Josh.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
McDaniels as their head coach.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think they went six and o right to start
the season and kind of fizzled out, but still like
really really tough beginning the season.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
They beat New England that year too.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There was a whole big, you know story about that,
and so we get a ball tomorrow after that, which,
again this is back in two thousand and nine. Baltimore
is still rolling great defense. Obviously offensively, they still can
make some plays. I think I was like six for
eight with like one poor decision up being a pick,
you know, got fooled on coverage. And when we go
in halftime and he had said, hey, I'm gonna put
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Derek in the second half, I was kind of like
thinking to myself, man, like one one decision, that's it.
And I felt like there was a lot of other
issues other than me. So as I'm watching the second half,
go you know, Derek throws three more and you sit
there and just go okay, like I'm gonna get another
crack at it the next week. And so after the game,
when he's like, no, we're actually gonna go with the
(16:37):
other guy, I'm thinking that you could have done differently. Yeah,
well that at that point you're just going like, well
I didn't do that, Like, I mean, you also one
didn't give me the chance to.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Throw more in it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
But if if I threw three picks, I would have
understood it and it could probably could have been four,
but like, like, I didn't do that. So you come
back the next week You're like, Okay, I have to
prepare as a backup, and then I'll As things continue
to struggle offensively, you're like, all right, well it's not
just me, and I obviously want to try to find
a way of getting an opportunity. So all you can
really do is wait for your next chance, you know.
(17:12):
And I remember there was a couple of guys on
the scout team, you know, I kind of got closer
to as we would run different you know, things like that,
and we would just try to torch the defense. And
then it got to a point where you also lost
all trust in the coach and anything that he said.
And then I think it as well. And then and the
problem was as Derek and I got closer even through
some of that because of what he was.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Big now, yeah, both looking at him on the same page,
looking at the coaches like that.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Is I remember like getting dinner together and go and
just talking about what they were each kind of saying,
and you're just like, man, you can't trust any of
these jokers like that. That's how we felt and so
then it became more of like a we were just
trying to help each other out. Like I was obviously
like dude, we just got to make the best of
what we can and that was it. And unfortunately for me,
like I sat out, which is this was this was
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not fitter to him. Like I remember, we went to Chicago,
and if I didn't play in the.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
First half, there's no way I can earn that incentive.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And sure enough, after the first half goes by, you know,
Derek had I got to get kind of a rough game,
and then again they're like, hey, go in and I'm
like okay.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
So so they kind of knew how the season was
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It wasn't gonna work out great, and then they were
just gonna reset after the season, but let's make sure
we don't have to pay him his incentive.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
So there was a there's a portion of that that too,
was about the contract.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We got asked about it a lot, and there's not
really much you can say at the time, but I.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Think everyone really knew what that was about.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And they can you know, they can deny whatever they want,
but the reality is, like our offense started to you know,
pick up play better after that, you know, we lost
a couple of closer games.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
To Detroit, to.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
To San Diego, where like, you know, I was playing
better at that point, and then I got hurt, you know,
so that that was kind of it. And then Derek
went back in. So there was just it was a
constant evolving door. But when you go back and look
at like that season and just the Browns where they're at.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Now, it's the same thing. And part of that's the
fact that the record.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
We went, I think there's a five and eleven, four
and twelve something like that which really reripped off all
the wins at the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
That might be exactly how it happens this year.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and that's why that's why ultimately, like we can
talk about the Browns and who they decided to go with,
but it's probably not going to be the last start
that they have.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, if history tells us anything.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And wildly and the last one standing.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And he'll probably get some to some time in there
to play quarterback at some point, right, I mean, either
via injury, either via poor play.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I mean, that's the truth is.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I don't think Todd Monkin wants to wait for these
guys to figure it out, and it is a bit
interesting that they've just kind of casted Dylan Gabriel to
the side. It seems to only be about the Shaun
Watson and Shadoor Sanders. And maybe you say, well, yeah,
they don't feel good about Dylan Gabriel, But there's times
when you see me and he plays and operates the
offense well, and it's just odd that he isn't more
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part of that conversation. But again, those guys are the
ones of valuating and they're behind closed doors so they
know better. But that's the only thing I can take
away from my experiences. There has to be a moment.
But even in that moment, and even whoever they announce
is the guy, it may not work out to be
that way. You know, it may change at some point,
and it probably will change if again, history tends to
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repeat itself.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So I wish I could say this all far.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I wish I could say the Browns were embarking on
a new frontier, but it feels like the same Browns
that well they.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
M yeah, I mean, if they were respected that way,
they would get that type of you know, that type
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Speaker 1 (21:09):
We obviously got the announcement Kyler Murray will be QB
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Speaker 4 (21:14):
Well, what's JJ McCarthy's response. We'll tell you on the
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Speaker 1 (22:32):
Bratty, Quinn, LeVar, Aaronson, No Jonas Knox this week, probably
not even next week.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
We don't know when he's coming back, to be honest
with you, he's got word. I'm not even sure when
he's coming back, LeVar.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So he's swept up by Chicago, who knows like a
fart in the wind.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And y'all for a reason. I just carry y'all, that's
all man. I got big shoulders. It's all good man,
you know, all right, don't worry about it. Q. You
know you have your times, he has his times. Somebody's
just got to be here with y'all when one of
(23:06):
y'all is out, you know what I mean, And that's
probably why they added me to the show. You know,
somebody with y'all. Yeah, so you'll be able to show
all that this time, right?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Here what six?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Oh you won't no, no, no, all right, Well that's
that's disappointing.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Something will still be you know.
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Speaker 4 (23:45):
We talked about Kyle Road.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
That was a low blow. You do you do know
that was a low blow. But go ahead, you do
not the LifeLock no letting right right before? Then?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Well, I mean some of us will be here, it's
all I.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Could have been. I will be in tomorrow too.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
But they you said low blow, I said low blow,
and you said caler Murray.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So let's let's let's build off of that. Yeah, let's
see let's build off a low blowing all right, how
low would your low blow have to be? For Caler Murray?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
By the way, that's that's more Jonas's wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know, he's more into the uh you know, the
horse jockeys at Saratoga right now, or all the all
the things that.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
He would try to make about.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Caller Murray not being more than all right, listen, I'm
not trying okay, I'm not trying to get off track either.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I'm not trying to get but I.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Did what God, would he qualify for a jockey? Though?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Could he be a jockey? No, he's way too big
for a jockey. But I did see a stat This
is where I want to come in defence.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
For Caler Murray.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Okay, the average I think the average height in the
United States is five foot nine. So caller, yes, without
a doubt, he's taller than the average guy in the
United States. You have to get no respect whatsoever. And
in fact, if you're over six foot two, you are
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in the top four percent of male men as far
as height in America, and if you're over six foot
four you're in the top one percent. So people tend
to forget, like how rare. The size of some of
these athletes, whether it's the NFL or the NBA or whoever,
like these when you see these guys and you're like, oh.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Little six foot like No, that like that's still a blessing.
Like they are.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
They are bigger and taller than you think, and definitely
more than the average American. So let's just always put
that into perspective.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Okay, Yeah, and it's a win for shorter for guys
that are barely above average, it's a win.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Win, it's a win. It's a way. Yeah, they can say, Okay,
I'm I'm the same size or taller than Calamburi.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I would say this though, about the quarterback situation. You
and I both kind of agree.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
When they brought Calimari in, it was clear that Kevin O'Connell,
they weren't just looking for competition. They wanted to bring
someone in who they felt like could win the job.
Would be the guy. Well, they've made that announcement. Now
the tough part is is what happens afterwards when you're
a quarterback in that situation.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And here's what Jaj McCarthy had to say.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Look, you know the decision was made that was out
of my control, and obviously every competitor wants to play,
but moving forward, it's just about continuing to work hard
and just staying ready for one my numbers called, what
were your initial thoughts when you found out the decision
had been made?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Obviously disappointed.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
You know, I'm a competitor, but at the end of
the day, you know it's in the past and I'm
moving on to the next practice, the next rep. The
same mindset I had going into it and focusing on
the giants this week?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
How do you say it?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
And there's so many things out of our control, like
the heat today, and you know, it's just really having
the discernment to figure out which of the two, and
you know that was one of the things outside of
my control, and me attacking and not demizing every opportunity
which was in my control, and that's all I was
focused on.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
JJ. Do you feel like you're a starting quarterback in
the NFL?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
NFL Why, yes, I believe so.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You know, I'm always going to have that confidence in
myself no matter what, but at this time, it's doing
whatever I can for the team, and you know, being ready.
When my numbers called and that's all that matters.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
That's all I can control J McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
In some ways, Yeah, I mean literally, the position he's
in now is all he can do is prepare to
get better and hopefully the next opportunity he gets, he excels.
Look here's the thing about JJ that I think a
lot of people they don't. I mean, all these quarterbacks
that came in from his draft class are coming in
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different ways. Right he'd won a national championship, people would
kind of knocked how they went about doing it. He
wasn't asked to do a lot in regards to a
lot of the attempts, but when he had to make
throws he did, and we had to step up and
make plays he did, and there's evidence of that on film.
So you can't hold that against him just because he
ran in an offense that wasn't necessarily slinging all over
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the field, But that didn't mean there wasn't development that
needed to take place and they wouldn't have to iron
some things out. He obviously lost his rookie season due
to injury. He only got what ten starts last year,
which he did help their team win six of them.
The hard part is is I think Kevin O'Connell is
a really good evaluator of quarterbacks. He played quarterback himself.
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He knows what he wants. A lot of guys who
have played with in that system have had a really
good year. And it's not just Koc it's also being
able to throw to Justin Jefferson and how they used
Justin Jefferson within that offense. But that being said, now
Jaj McCarthy is on island. He's got to realize that
the only thing he can do is what he gets
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that next opportunity is thrive, and every single day in
between is proved to his teammates that he's improving, he's
locked in, he's engaged, there can't be any doubt, any
wavering and I think he's the type of character that
can do that. So I don't worry about him from
that standpoint. I just worry if he gets another opportunity
because I do think Caler Murray will excel within this offense.
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And I'm higher on Minnesota than most, which I think
if you look at their over underwin loss total for
this upcoming season, I believe it's said in eight and
a half, Patty, you can correct me if I'm wrong
on that, and I believe they're slated to be the
last place within the division. Now it's a very competitive division.
I think you'd agree, like Detroit, Green Bay, the last
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team to stay from Chicago, all those teams, which by
the way, they might not be Chicago when it's all
said and done, we'll get to that. All those teams
will be buying for playoff spots. So they've got the
work cut out for him. But I do.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Feel like Caler Murray will excel and J. J. McCarthy
can still be the type.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Of quarterback that when his number is called, when he
gets that next opportunity, he is able to go in
and thrive. So I'm optimistic for him still despite all
of this, and I do think he's the type of
guy that's mentally wired himself to believe that he's still
a starting quarterback in this league.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
At some point, I still think it's it's damning that
this was your starter from last year. They did not
have a good year last year. They did work to
bring in a quarterback that could compete or take the
job after and and I'll say after you let Sam
Darnold go because you thought that he could step in
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JJ McCarthy could step in and be the guy, and
he wasn't. So I just I get a tabic perplexed
when I hear him say it's out of his control.
It was totally in your control. You were the guy
that was in the driver's seat to show that you
should be the starter, and you had that for an
entire season and you didn't take advantage of it. So
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when you played as poorly as you did, and all
of the elements are still the same that are there
that were around you last year, and so to me,
if pretty much the core nucleus of what you had
let and you get Darris All back, and that'll be
you know, that'll be a pretty important comeback. You know, addition,
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because I had to give the quarterback that's in there
a little bit more protection. But the reality of it
is is that he did control what happened, and if
he hadn't played so poorly, they wouldn't have been looking
for a new quarterback. You make the move to get
Kyler Murray. He's a high profile guy. So now that
tells you, that indicates and triggers off already every alarm
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that says we don't believe in JJ McCarthy to be
our starting quarterback. Those alarms and those red flex those
red flags are up. The alarms are going off. So
I can't assume or think that he's so naive that
he wouldn't have saw the handwriting on the wall the
minute that they signed Kyler Murray. And I know he
(31:55):
says he's a competitor, and I know he believes that
he'll get his name called again.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But I think it just goes a little deeper. It
goes a little.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Bigger than maybe the scope of what he's broadcasting it,
you know, as to what it is. It's a deeper
it's a deeper issue. It's not about him being the
starter anymore for the Minnesota Vikings. And I think that's
that's apparent and evident now.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I think the other thing is when you have
a guy who comes in and that's his objective.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know, Kyler's coming in there to start, He's coming
there to be the guy. I mean, he's doing the
same thing for his career.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, like a lot of our conversations centered on
Jaj McCarthy, Kyler Murray's with a new team. You know,
that organization moved on from him, and so he's trying
to do the same exact thing. And then he understands
the personnel they have there, he understands that this has
been an offense that's been, you know, pretty conducive to
helping quarterbacks build themselves back up. I mean, he's kind
(32:49):
of falling in the path of Sam Darnold, if you will,
And so I feel like he sees that opportunity for himself.
And I think the toughest part now and this sounds
probably cheesy to a lot of people on the outside,
but it's real because anyone who works in a corporate office,
anyone who's sitting in a cube, book gole or in
a certain section of the office, or even just you know,
if you see your other coworkers throughout the day at
(33:10):
certain parts, like when they make a decision to hire
someone over you, which is essentially what this is, and
you're still working there, you got to get along. And
that's not the easiest thing to do, in particular in
the NFL and a quarterback room, because you spend so
much time together.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Usually in a quarterback room. I mean, you are watching
film all day every day for hours.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And why I say hours, I'm saying I would bet
on any given day, it's a minimum of four hours
that you're watching, if not more so let's stay up
to six depending on in season, between watching your practice,
watching your installs, what you're going to put in, watching
the other team, watching other teams out there and some
of the things they're doing, and then watching what you're
(33:54):
preparing for the next day. Like that's all just in
one day, and so there's a good there's a minimum,
I would say of four hours because that's a lot
of that's just with your team and your quarterback coach
or your offense, watching different installs or watching different tape,
and so there's a lot of time that you're sitting
there just quarterbacks and you're talking about concepts. You're talking
about this or how you see things, or hey, what
(34:15):
do you guys want to watch? Or let's watch this game,
or let's like they have personnel similar to us, so
let's go watch that game and how they matched up
because the NFL is such a matchup driven league. Those
are all the things you're doing, like outside of when
you're actually there with your team for everything else you
have scheduled. And that's the hard part is can you
get along, can things be truly copasthetic because they don't
have any history.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
You know, it's not like when was there when the
other one was drafted and then this is how it
worked out.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They brought Kyler in to replace him to be the guy,
and Kyler's on a mission, so he's not worried about
like JJ McCarthy's development. You know, if he gets hurt
and he comes in win some games because they're trying
to make the playoffs, so be it.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But like that's the tough part is can you both
get along and can.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You both continue to keep being guys that can and
have a working relationship despite the competitiveness.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
That exists within the room. And that's not an easy
thing to do.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Not easy. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
we've got in case you missed it, and we've got
Ai and a rapper that's joining an NFL roster.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I'll tell you about another side of this break.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
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Speaker 2 (36:12):
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sports or entertainment. Good thing, the guys are here to
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Speaker 4 (36:20):
You missed it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
All right, for our first story, I was not aware
that apparently the tremendous Movement Sticks podcast typically hosted by
Daniel Jeremiah, who always does an amazing job, especially round
the draft time. He was a scout obviously back in
the day in the NFL and did a good job
with that then has turned into this media career. I
(36:44):
was not aware though, that they're going they're kind of
splitting up, going their separate ways. Well, a lot of
people made me aware of it though, based on what
was put out there just two days ago.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
So on August eleventh, apparently the Move the.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Sticks podcast did some compilation of team previews from the
NFL's YouTube page, but they're claiming that it's not AI
generated with the host. However, I'm not sure if you
ever heard it, what you draw a conclusion to because
it's not a recognizable voice. I'm not sure where this
all exactly came from. And we do know now more
(37:20):
than ever, that AI is being used to generate some
of these videos, in particular if you don't see someone
on camera.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
So that was a bit odd to me.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But we're losing one of the best podcasts as I
think the NFL is trying to transition. I think Daniel
Jemi is doing his own thing, unless I'm wrong, unless
I miss that, is that what you have seen?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't know, man, I'm I'm not up on this one.
I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't
know well, but I'm pretty crazy. Yeah, that's that's game
to me. But but here's the thing, right, AI is
really in It's in full full blown mode. Like it's
(38:05):
hard to tell anymore. Like we always joke about that
right now, right, is that it's hard to tell what's
real and what isn't real anymore because AI has gotten
so sophisticated it's just difficult. So I don't know, man,
that's this is a This is a hard one to
kind of, you know, make sense of, like, because what
what is the I guess I would ask the question,
(38:27):
what is the problem with with that?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Like, what would be the concern of it being AI
versus it being or.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
What a person? People brought up?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Uh, the fact that they thought, hey, is this Daniel
Jeremiah or they're using his voice?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Are they trying to use his name.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
His image and likeness via AI to then put forth
these videos and to what used to be his podcast.
I think that's the concern from his side of things
is obviously you wouldn't want that to be the case.
But then even from the NFL side, it's like, all right,
are we just cheaping?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Now? This is how we're doing this. We're just paying AI.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
We don't have a beloved host who can give us
some insight, give us some real world experience. You give
us some human experience to all this. Okay, So there's
all those things that I think come up with a story.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the podcast.
But I'm more to see where Daniel Jeremiah what he
does next, because he's always had an incredible informative podcast
(39:23):
and he's always done a great job.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Breaking down the game of football.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Speaking of bringing down the game of football, the Carolina Panthers,
they had a free agent tied end but also a rapper.
That's right, Darren Waller. He agreed on Wednesday to a
one year deal. The thirty three year old playmaker. He
spent last season with the Dolphins, but he's worked with
Daryl Bevell, who's the panthers associate head coach and offensive specialist.
(39:48):
Before that was Bevill was Miami's passing game coordinator and
quarterbacks coach last year. So a lot of familiarity with
the offense and obviously Bevell, but also in the rap
game or if he's gonna have time, have you heard
Basis loading? Have you heard Baron Davis? There's a few
other ones he's put out there.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I have not.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Wait, you're gonna get a sneak peak right now. We
may have to drop some of this, but we'll see.
We might have to.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's all we got. I think we're a little bit
concerned about that. Not safe for work. It's all right,
it's all right. We tried our best to get involved.
But it will be fun to see how his addition
to the Panthers team will help. I feel like this
is a team that there's not high expectations, But I
(40:40):
don't think there's low expectations either. I just think people
are curious to see what they can become.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Is that fair to say about the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yeah, they're a curious team. They're a curious one. We'll see, Yeah,
I think that. I think it is a great way
of looking at it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
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