March 6, 2026 • 42 mins
Jason Fitz & Buck Reising fill in for the guys and talk about Bears WR D.J. Moore getting traded to the Bills, how Drake Maye and the Patriots still need more weapons and how A.J. Brown could be that weapon, the Spurs beating up on the Pistons, and more!
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
There is no offseason in the NFL, and while we
sit here days away from the beginning of free agency
and the expectation that in a few days hundreds of
millions of dollars will be spread out across the league
in ways that make teams better.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
They think we didn't even have to wait that long.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We got a blockbus's trade from a Super Bowl contender,
the Buffalo Bills finally get a wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
He's Buck Rising.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm Jason viz Bucktvit's hanging out with you this morning
in for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Will be with you all morning.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We're usually with you on Saturday night, so we're getting
up early instead of staying up late, and Buck we
start with a big move from the Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I want to go all the way back to a
few years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I was doing some work with a former Bills player
getting ready for the NFL Draft, and he said, you
know what, organizationally the Buffalo Bills, having just left that team,
he said, Organizationally, behind the scenes, they don't believe that
a wide receiver makes a big difference in the way
that their roster has built. They believe is an organization
that Josh Allen is responsible for around forty touchdowns a year,
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whether you put a bunch of wide receivers around him
or whether you don't. And they have acted like that
every single year, dot dot dot until now they go
get Dj Moore from.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
The Bears in a trade.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That is curious because Dj Moore has had moments where
he looks like number one big guy, and he's also
had moments where he's fine, and they just went he
got into twenty eight and a half million dollars a
year wide receiver that's coming off an eight hundred and
fifty yard season. It feels aggressive, but I don't know
how much it actually addresses everything for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
No, we love when teams overcompensate. That's exactly what's happening here. Yes,
you have a almost I mean I think he is going
to be thirty this season at some point. He will
turn thirty in the season if I'm not mistaken. And yeah,
he's expensive, but they he immediately becomes the best wide
receiver on the roster, and they have been able to
(02:37):
I guess going back to your years long conversation or
your years long understanding of their team building philosophy, do
you think that they have been able to get away
with it because you could argue they have been successful
enough to an extent, right, they haven't advanced to the
Super Bowl the way that they would like, and Josh
(02:58):
Allen certainly is response for you know, anywhere between thirty
thirty to thirty five touchdowns a year, whether you consider
that rushing and passing at the same at the same time.
But they are, you know, they are very much hitting
their ceiling as far as their passing game goes. Without
a true number one option and the Keon Coleman thing
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didn't work out. They did invest in a wide receiver
in the draft right turns out as a second round pick.
He's a guy that nobody wants to take responsibility for drafting,
so much so that ownership is trying to let Brandon
Bean the general manager. They're off the hook, being like, no,
the coaching staff wanted that guy. We so we're going
to get rid of the coach. Except they promoted internally
with the offensive coordinator who is now the head coach,
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so you know, a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Of mixed messaging there.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It's a it's a good move for Josh Allen, but
it can't be the only move that they make because
they still have missing pieces and parts here right their
their offensive line situation. They're going to let Connor McGovern
go their center, They're going to find have to find
different ways to support Josh Allen. They've got a lot
of different questions to answer defensively. At least takes one
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thing off of their checklist for this offseason. It also
gives us the domino effect of Okay, they're probably out,
almost assuredly out on any kind of AJ Brown deal.
Maybe no AJ Brown deal gets done this offseason whatsoever.
But we were certainly talking about the Bills as a
potential landing spot DJ Moore as a number one wide
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receiving option. I mean, he had the clutch touchdown against
the Packers in overtime to help springboard them into the
divisional round, where ultimately DJ Moore was also involved on
the play where Caleb Williams throws the game sealing interception
that lets the Rams advance to the NFC Championship game.
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It feels like Bears fans are okay with it. They're
at peace with it because they do have an emerging
young wide receiver corps at this point in time, and
they can afford to let somebody like DJ Moore walk
and potentially address additional needs in the draft. That's a
pretty big haul for a player with that cat number
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and at that age at a position that usually starts
to I think maybe I'm stealing a reference from you.
Once swade receivers hit thirty, the check engine light starts
to come on a little more.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, look, everything you just said is so accurate to
why this is weird to me. And in fairness, my
Twitter timeline has just blown up over the last week
with every single fan base that's giving me some random
weird trade for Max across me.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Who we will get to later in this show, and.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That included some people that I think do good work.
Around the bears, We're just tweeting out the typical thing
who says no. I feel like for me, who says
no on any tweet for a trade is a trigger,
like somebody's just getting click engagement, because there's always a
dumb ass trade, right. So I got one the other
day that it's like, who says no? And part of
it was like DJ Moore and a first round pick
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and a third round pick. And so I immediately clap back
to that as a Raiders fan looking at it, and said,
we who says no?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Whoever's acquiring DJ Moore?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Because the numbers on DJ Moore don't support the production.
And this is not like I understand that. This is
where people say, well, it just wasn't a good mesh.
In Ben Johnson's offense, It wasn't a good mesh with
Caleb Williams. Okay, well, I'm supposed to buy if we
just stack my logic bricks. You know me, I don't
like I'm over logical if I'm supposed to buy the
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Ben Johnson is one of the great offensive minds that
we've seen in the league in the last whatever generation,
and that's why he immediately becomes a head coach that
immediately has impact. So now I have to buy that
one of the best chefs in the world just doesn't
like cooking with this ingredient. But it's not really about
the ingredient. It's about the chef. And I'm gonna have
to buy this and a massive amount of money. As
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part of the deal, the Bills guaranteed fifteen point five
million of his base salary, which locks them into paying
him for the next two years. And it's twenty eight
and a half million this year, twenty eight and a
half million next year.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's an exorbitant amount of money for a wide receiver.
I looked it up. He's twenty eight now, he'll be
twenty nine in April.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And if you look at his stat line over the
last couple of years, I mean he's coming I know
stats and reading stats can be its own slippery slope,
but he's coming off a year under Ben Johnson with
fifty catches for six hundred and eighty two yards Like
that is not twenty eight and a half million dollars
of production at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So what the Bills have done.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
If we took the Bill's logo off their helmet and
we instead put a Cowboys logo on it, we would
be saying, oh my god, you overpaid late for something
you should have addressed years ago. I'm with you. I
don't think wide receiver is the reason that the Bills
haven't found the way to break through. I think they've
just been unlucky more than anything. I don't think there's
any one player need that changes anything. But to me,
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it's weird. This is a Bills team that fires their
head coach. They make it clear that they're going to
have to make massive change, and all they really do
is promote within. They tell you that the difference between
where they finished last year and next year where they
intend to win a super super Bowl. He's DJ Moore
and firing Sean McDermott. That to me, in the ingredient
pot does not take me from a playoff team to
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a super Bowl team.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah No, it's Buffalo feels like one of these teams
that is almost assured to take a significant step back
in twenty twenty six, right, Like they're not one of
these you know NFL team teams of the damned right
where we're talking about. I mean, the Colts are just
in a nightmarish type of situation right now as far
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as the franchise goes, the future of the franchise, the
immediate future of the franchise, especially with their fan base
probably thinking that they were going to win the Super
Bowl for a good half of the season last year,
until their bad luck started to creep up on them
and rob them of all of their joy and their
first round picks and their quarterbacks health and all these
different things. They're not the Browns, They're not the Jets
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because they still have Josh Allen. But there's just no
way that this is a football team that's going to
be better next year, right Like, help me, help me find,
help me find the area. And I understand.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Free agency didn't start for a little less than a week,
so there's going to be additional moves that are made here.
We still have the NFL Draft that's on the horizon.
The rosters are are far from complete and finished products.
So some of these conversations are flawed. But you can't
take you can't remove one of the winningest coaches in football,
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add a wide receiver, who has I don't think there's
do you feel like there's effort questions with him in
Chicago because a lot of people started to bring that
up just because of that final play where he may
not have run his route his final route of the
of the NFC Divisional Round to you know, maybe his
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best abilities. And that's in part what led to the
interception for Caleb Williams, Like there's there's been some stuff
there that continues to float around. I don't know what's
fair or not. I don't know DJ more personally, but
there's nothing so far in the Bills process. One the
process seems flawed. Right However, however, you would deem a
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successful team off season putting together the pieces, trying to
you know, trying to tighten the final screws to put
this thing over the top. They don't feel like they're
any closer to a super Bowl. They feel further away.
They continue to get further away with some of these
decisions that they make.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Maybe well maybe I'll have to eat Crow.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Maybe anybody who thinks the way that I do will
have to eat crow at the end of the day.
And Terry Pegoula can give another weird press conference and say, see,
I told you it was that damn coach's fault. All
the things that went wrong with us, it was that
damn coach's fault. The fact that my quarterback couldn't talk
to me in the locker room after the fact because
he was so upset because he threw what damn near
five interceptions in that game against the Broncos. It's that
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damn coach's fault. Maybe Terry Pegoula gets to be right
when we're talking about the Bills halfway through the season,
but as we sit here today, it's really really difficult
to see what their logic is.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm convinced DJ Moore is like that the band that
everybody tells you is really good, and every time you
listen to it, you're like, I just I don't. I mean,
how many times has anybody walked into Monday whatever your
favorite team is when when he was playing for Carolina
or not and then playing for the Bears, how many
times did you walk in if your favorite team was
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taking on DJ Moore and say, son of a Biscuit Man.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
This week we got DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I don't know how we're gonna I just don't know
how we're gonna shut down DJ Moore this week. Like
it feels like I am just clapping all over this,
but in this man's career, and I am not. I
think DJ Moore is a fine wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He's good.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I just don't remember the last time any of us
walked in and said, oh my god, my favorite team
is doomed because this week we're taking on DJ Moore.
Or for everybody that sits there and says, oh, I
gotta get my parlay in this week, DJ Moore is
going to go off, or anybody that sits there and says, man,
I am I am up a creek this week playing
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fantasy football because the.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Other guys got DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm just all of the metrics that we have don't
stack up to DJ Moore being anywhere near AJ Brown,
and he's paid like AJ Brown.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
So it's just it's a very weird situation.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Twenty eight and a half million dollars Buck mentions that
the Bills are going to take a step back this year.
I wonder what this move means for one of the
main teams that is right there today telling the Bills
that they aren't good enough anymore. What's all this mean?
For the rest of their own division. We'll break that
down next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitzis bucking Fits
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It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox
Sports Radio. However, it's neither Pro or Joe. It's Fucking
Fits taking over. He's Buck Rising on Jason Fitz for yourself.
What you're sitting across from like, okay, peek behind the curtain.
We are in two different cities when we do this show,
so we FaceTime while we do this show. A tradition
like no other is that Buck has arrived to this FaceTime,
(13:54):
which is he's in Nashville, so it's five point twenty
in the morning his time. He's arrived to this FaceTime
in clearly just a hotel robe, like some sort of
fuzzy terry cloth robe. So like you're you're you're telling
me here that I'm calling you unprofessional when you like,
I don't need you to stand up to know you're
not wearing pants.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You are in a robe.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean it looks like it looks like right before
we started the show, you asked someone to leave and
then sat down like full big Lebowski style.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It was like, let's do a show.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And now you're saying that I can only speak for
myself when I say that we are neither the pros
or the Joe, which which good, sir? Are you the
pro in your terry cloth robe or the Joe in
your big Lebowski outfit?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
The dude abides.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I would say that I'm the pro in this particular
situation because not only did all of that happen, but
I'm here doing my job, and no nobody is none
the wiser because the best part about this gig is
you don't have to be on camera. I mean, we
are looking at each other, so you are tasked with
looking at me for the next you know less and
a little less than three hours at this.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Point in time.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
But I don't have to, you know, I don't have
to look camera ready until ten am my time today.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
So until then, you sweet sweet.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Angel, you're gonna sit there and you're gonna stare at
me in my bathroobe.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Can I tell you We'll get to the sports in
a second. I will tell you this, sure. You know me,
I wear basically the same thing almost every day of
my life. I wear the same I own ten of
the same black T shirt, like literally the same exact
black T shirt. I own ten of the same black
like pullover. It's like a thin one I owned, the
hoodie I'm wearing right now, or the little like hoodie
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type thing I own like three or four. My closet
is basically four things times. That's it, Like I just
it's the same thing every I'm getting ready to start
doing play by play next week for the Indoor Football
League on Yahoo Sports Network.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Is very excited about.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That's a cool moment for me, and as you know,
it's gonna be fine. I've lost a lot of weight
in my life in the last couple of years. So
I went into the closet and I pulled out suits,
and I'm in that lucky spot where literally nothing fits,
like I'm going to have to pay in a suit,
Like nothing fits me. So I reached out to this
(16:03):
company and then he and I was like, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
You know, let's let's talk about some clothes.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And then he came back and he's like, well, I've
watched some of your stuff on Yahoo and like we've
got some ideas on ways we could start. Like wanted
thousands of dollars to style me for an internet show
where I'm in front of a tiny internet camera and.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That where we wear basically like casual clothes. I'm like,
I don't understand this.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I don't care enough about these things to understand. Like
just to your point, like even when I'm in front
of a camera, I'm still not like in a three
piece suit often in my life, So I I do
appreciate the fact that you've gone super casual. I just,
you know, maybe maybe maybe you and I are on
two different friends of the spectrum in front of a camera,
even if it's just us, you just maybe maybe maybe
(16:47):
a shirt.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Maybe I just don't need to see your chest hair,
Like I'm a hoodie guy.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
If you keep this up, I'll just take the damn
bathroobe off, all right, Like this, keep pushing your lune, okay, bud,
like this is don't don't don't yuck my yum at
this point in time. So I need a woman's expertise here,
if you would. Is there not some kind of ick
to a dude that doesn't know how to dress on
a regular basis, Because I'm also a dude that does
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not know how to dress on a regular basis. But
I am smart enough to rely on the resource that
I have here in this wonderful city, where two women
do exactly for me what you've described you don't want
to do for yahoo. I have somebody who puts together
a PDF for me with little hyperlinked images of the clothes,
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so they.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Think you personal shopper for you.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
That's correct. Shout out Cat and Emily. We love but
they put you. They put these things together based on
the events that I have to attend. If it's a
public speaking engagement, if it's just you know, the casual
for the show, if I'm hosting the steeplechase party.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Button down.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
We got options and it's so turn key, so idiot
proof that all I gotta do is just click the
little button that they've got hyperlinked, and the clothes get
delivered to me, and then if I don't like the clothes,
they return them.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I don't even have to do that.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Oh my gosh, you fancy Did they pick out the
robes too?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Do you have those delivered?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
No? That's all me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I want to stress here, my friend, because I choose
not to make style an important part of my budget
as because because I'm cheap does not mean that I
A don't have a style or B don't know how
to dress. I look, I say, humbly, I think I've
walked more red carpets than you, my friend. All right,
(18:33):
I'm just saying if I'm like, I have walk more
red carpets than you.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
All right, So I have.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I don't know how many times you've had to play
an awards show. The number of times I've had to
play an award show in front of fifteen million people,
I just you know, that's a I understand fashion. I
just don't. It's not like getting it down. I don't
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want to put the energy into it. Like so very true,
very true story as opposed to all the fake ones.
A very true story. One of the first times I
played years ago for country artists, Phil Vassar, still one
of my best friends, like just an amazing human being,
and I wore something outlandish that day, like at the
time I was, I was spraying my hair to match
my tie, like everything was neon. I was wore something
(19:23):
crazy and outlandish. And Phil wore almost the exact same
thing on stage every day when I toured with him,
and he said, somebody, he's like, that's a wild shirt.
And I was like, why do you always wear the
same thing? And he said, because eventually fans will come
up to you and they'll say, I've seen you wear
that before. And by god, like a month later, I
wore the same shirt and somebody came up and.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
They're like, oh, you wore that shirt last time.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I realized then that the more I keep things just
in a very like. I never want to have a
picture that I have to apologize for anymore with that
well that was stylarsh at the time. I don't want
to do that. I don't want to have to like
justify any of these things. I want timeless. I want
like lax charcoals navies like. I think there's a whole
fashion world there where you don't have to you know,
you don't have to necessarily go all you just you
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find your lane and you do your lane really well.
I just am repetitious with it most days in my life,
like the number of times people will say you wore
that yesterday and I'm like, aha, I just happen to
own four of the same pair of jeans, thank you
very much. So you know I don't I don't like
to think. It doesn't mean I don't have an understanding.
And I'm justifying all this to a man that is
in a terry cloth rope.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
What am I doing?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
What am I doing.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
At this point?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
No, So he's buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz. It's bucking
Fits hanging out with you.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Now. I'm into it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Now, I'm ready to go say we just add that
we I just added needle a little bit for my
own purposes, and now I'm ready to do the show.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Okay, continue, okay, right, Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
The Bills made a big acquisition in DJ Moore. We
already opened the show talking about whether or not that
actually makes them demonstrably.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Better or not.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But it does raise a question to me of there
is another team in this division that is coming off
of Super Bowl not named the Buffalo Bills, and that's.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And I've seen a couple different conflicting sort of concepts
on this, because the Patriots coming off of Super Bowl
means most of us feel they should be some kind
of way now they're in their super Bowl window.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
They should be super aggressive, they should.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Do all these things.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I've seen a couple of guys that I think do
a good job reporting on the team talk about the
fact that New England is still being very calculated. They
are treating this offseason like they are a team that
is building towards something long term. I think that makes
a lot of sense because now that we're far enough
from moved from the season, we don't have to it
doesn't have to be inflammatory to talk about, you know,
whether or not the Patriots are great or whether they
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were just hot, I don't know, but I do think
that they have to have a really good sense. They
have to be able to look in the mirror and
have a really good sense of who they are moving
forward to know the right way to build.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And sometimes that's tough to do.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like I mean, you go back to weight loss, like,
how often does somebody lose a little bit of weight
and then those pants fit so they try and put
them on, and then you realize the pants don't really
fit right, Like, the Patriots have to be painfully honest
with themselves in the mirror, not about the result last year,
but about where their team is when they go into
this offseason. I'm not sure if they're going to be
super aggressive or if they're going to stay the course.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well, and the obvious connection there and I say this
is somebody who covers the Tennessee Titans on a day
by day basis is AJ Brown and Mike Vrabel, which
a lot of people have drawn those connections or tried
to make those connections understanding that the two of them.
I know AJ did an appearance I think it was
with is a Julian Edelman in Gronk's podcast. I can't
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remember exactly where he popped up, where he's talking about
how much he hated Mike Vrabel at the start of
his career because he didn't necessarily understand the way that
Mike coaches, especially young talented players, that he's trying to
find ways to bring the best.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Out of it.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And finally, you know that style, AJ came around on it,
and now they have a great relationship despite not being
on the same team anymore. This AJ Brown acquisite potential acquisition, right,
there's been nothing reported that seems to have moved the
Eagles off of their position, and in fact, Mike Garifolo
(23:11):
was on television I want to say last week during
the combine saying quote to this point, they have not
gotten to the point at which the Eagles would make
a move specific to AJ Brown. And the other part
of this is, I'm just reading from Garifolo's reporting. In
their minds, it's a Quinn Williams type deal for AJ
We're talking a potential first round pick with a second
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round sweetener on it. That's kind of where it is
for the Eagles to start to consider moving AJ Brown
if they don't get close to that point or to
that point, I don't think Howie Roseman moves him. So
the Quinn Williams deal for AJ Brown, the Cowboys gave
up a twenty twenty six second round pick, a twenty
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twenty seven first round pick, and a defensive tackle Mazzie Smith,
who I'm not mistaken was also a former first round
pick in his career. That's a pretty significant haul. And
you know, I don't I wouldn't pretend to know what
the career of Mozzie Smith respectfully, I'm I'm sure he's
a fine player, but I don't know what that looks
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like for New England. They're not in a position to
be giving up valuable draft capitol. And again, their first
round pick, it's thirty one, right, it might as well
be a second. So I don't know that that doesn't
drive the deal up further to where they're having to
toss an additional compensation. And who a player comp might
be for Mazzie Smith on the Patriots roster, I'm I'm
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not sure either, Like a Philadelphia want Pop Douglas in
exchange for AJ Brown and a couple of draft picks,
I don't know. I don't I think the easy connection
is there to make it, but it's not something that
if the Patriots want to continue to build their roster
in the best way possible organically through the draft process.
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As enticing as the idea and as fun as the
idea of AJ and Mike reuniting might be in New England,
certainly for Patriots fans, you also got to consider what
you're trading for. I AJ's been in Philadelphia longer than
he was here in Tennessee. But I loved my time
covering AJ. The person is a is somebody who I
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very much enjoyed who I think he's a fundamentally good person,
despite some of the eccentricities that may come with his
performance on the field. And I don't know how Philly
fans feel about him. I'm sure more of them love
him than not. But it's it's completely fair to say
that AJ Brown did not give his full effort last
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year in certain situations, and that's not something that's going
to fly in a place like New England. It certainly
it doesn't fly in a place like Philadelphia where they're
trying to figure it out and he's kind of got
him kind of got them backed into a corner. A
little bit because he he does have. I think there
are legitimate gripes to why AJ you know, may feel
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or act out the way that he does in certain situations.
But that's that's not the kind of player. That's not
the kind of element that I think you want to
add to your young, burgeoning roster in New England if
you think that there are going to be some moments
where he stirs it up just for the sake of
stirring it up. There's also the component that I don't
think a lot of people are talking about, is that
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how healthy is he? I mean, he had stuff here
at the end in Tennessee and it wasn't so, you know,
obviously he's gone on to have an even statistically better
career in Philadelphia than he was with the Titans, and
he's coming off a career worst year. But we understand
that there are some mitigating circumstances to that he didn't
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look right last year. And I don't have his medicals.
I'm not in Philadelphia every day, and I don't want to.
I don't want to get into a discussion that that
I don't I'm not fully armed with all of the
information to have, but there's just something every time I
watched him last year, he just simply didn't look right
outside of the clear lack of effort that was on
the field for them in a couple of different instances.
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I think all of those are fair criticisms of Aja,
even though I acknowledge you is still an excellent player
at a very important position that would benefit the Patriots
if they were able to acquire him for a hell
of a lot less than we're talking about here.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
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of se Von Diggs.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
They cut him.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, he's not going to be part of the team
next year, which I don't think is a shocking moment
for most people, but it does leave sort of an
area of concern. I have long since said the minute
you as an organization believe you might have your your
answer at quarterback, especially young guys, the first thing you
have an obligation to do is give them as many
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weapons as possible. I look at quarterbacks that they're young
as like a teeter totter or a seesaw, depending on
where you grew up right, So in the beginning, the
quarterback needs all the help, needs all the weight that
comes from a bunch of weapons, and then you hope
over time the quarterback becomes the weight and lifts everybody
else up.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So I don't love as much as Drake May. I
think had a very good season, and we all I'm
not sitting here saying Drake May isn't the answer. It's fine.
I just as you know, Buck, I like to take
three years to make any decisions. I think year three
is a really big one for these young quarterbacks. What
I don't want for the Patriots in this process, like,
I don't want the Patriots to become the Bills who
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we talked about earlier, who even if they love their quarterback,
they're just rolling them out there saying, all right, just
make it work with whatever you got. Like it makes
sense to me for the Patriots to acquire somebody. I
think it would make a lot more sense in my mind,
for the Patriots to go all in on somebody like
Alec Pierce this year. If they're going to go in
at the wide receiver position, then it would AJ Brown
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simply because Alec is younger. I want somebody that can
come in and sort of grow with him. But I'm
not saying Alec is nearly the prospect or the player
that AJ Brown is.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Like AJ Brown's a better player.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I'm not sure Alan to be consistent, I'm not sure
I feel that much differently about Alec Pearce than I
did about DJ More earlier, who I said, how often
do you walk in just scared your taking on Alec Pearce.
I just I don't know what the Patriots are going
to do with that position, but I would love to
see them bring in somebody that can be that guy
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for Drake May, because I'm not sure that we can.
We can plant the flag on Drake May no longer
needs help around him. I think most young quarterbacks do,
especially veteran help, and I mean Drake needs that in
my mind, so it's important that the Patriots address the
position somehow.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
To me, no, I think it's glaringly obvious that Drake
May needs that kind of help, both you know, in
front of him and as far as his skill guys
goes the Alec Pierce thing, and you know, free agency
gets going next week, we have the start of the
new league year, and all of these things will start
to fly around early and often in the process. He's
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thought to be the best available wide receiver in free agency.
Now that the Colts transition tag Daniel Jones, they weren't
able to use the franchise tag on Alec Pierce. Maybe
he still ends up going back to Indianapolis. It's just
going to cost them a hell of a lot more
money than it would if they were able to utilize
their team control on him.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Again, the Colts.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Decision making is very confusing to me, But that's not
the conversation that we're having right now. He Alec Pierce
did an interview with Kay Adams I think it was
this week where you know, to his credit, he's been
the best deep threat statistically, he's been the best deep
threat in the league for the last two years, not
just last year where the Colts offense was operating an
extremely high level for a good half of the season.
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But his whole point was well, just you know, I
only got I think it was forty five, forty seven
targets last year. Think of what I could do if
I was an eighty target guy a year. I'll break
I'll break the you know, I'll break the receiving records
and things like that. And I looked at that quote,
and I have no problem with a player saying that
or truly to his core believing that, because that's the
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kind of confidence that you have to have to be
able to be a professional athlete. And I'm not down
on him projecting that belief. But as far as practicality goes, buddy,
that's not your game. Like, you're not a volume target guy.
You're talking about paying a dude. And I know this
just because I watched the Titans do this with Calvin
Ridley a couple of years ago. You are a high
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end two, okay, And I know guys don't want to
hear that. And I'm not here to put a ceiling
on dudes. If they think that they can do more
in their career and they think that they maybe just
haven't got the opportunity, maybe they're right in that situation.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
But to this point, you are.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
One of the best secondary options at wide receiver that
anybody's had in the league because you also have Jonathan Taylor,
and you have Tyler Warren, and you have Michael Pittman junior,
like Indianapolis has Champagne problems on offense other than you know,
the whole quarterback situation basically for the last I don't know,
it feels like a decade. Chris Balad's been trying to
figure that out. But Alec Pierce becomes a much different
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player if you start to treat him like a number
one wide receiver and he has to win in a
bunch of different ways other than the way that he's
been winning, which has been a hugely successful formula for him.
So this is this is a complicated question that the
Patriots have to solve this offseason because they're I mean,
I don't know, FITZI, if you told me that they
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didn't make the playoffs next year, I don't think I
wouldn't be that surprised.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
No, I at all.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
And you know, to me, it's a lot like the Commanders,
who even people within Washington. I know it's become a
trendy thing, but even people within Washington a year ago
told people that at Yahoo, hey, we understand that we
played ahead of where we were. We just had a
really good year We've got to get the rest of
the ross start up to where it needs to be
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to be consistently good.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
They weren't able to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Now everything's fallen apart for Washington, in part because of
the health of Jade and Daniels last year. I think
the Patriots need to understand that, you know, and I'm
sure they do understand. I think they're making it clear
they understand that even though last year was ahead of schedule,
they're still in a building process.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I love the way you broke down, Alec Pearce.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I would add Reshid Shaheed to that same list, right like,
that's another wide receiver that people believe is going to
get massive money, and they probably will because he's on
the market. But how much of the success that he
had last year when traded to Seattle was about him particularly,
and how much of it was about the fact that
teams were accounting for Jackson Smith and Jigba and the coordinator.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Knew how to utilize them the best way.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Now Conversely, how much of jsn's success was because she
was taking some of.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
The top end off of all this. I understand that.
I think it's just understanding that.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
There are multiple ingredients that make for a successful wide
receiver room, and they we don't all get compensated the
same way. If your real calling card is that, oh
my god, you are electrically fast and you can also
do some nice things, that becomes much easier wins above replacement.
That becomes much easier to figure out in the draft
than necessarily some of the other wide receiver positions.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So it's it's a little, uh, it's a little touchy.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Speaking of a little touchy, an internet celebrity decided yesterday
that he can fight an NFL player and win. What
do we make of Logan Paul's thoughts and who would
kick his ass the most?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
We'll tell you next.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
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Speaker 4 (34:51):
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Speaker 3 (34:52):
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we'll be back on Monday morning too. So you got
a little bit of a bookend of the two of
us hanging out for the guys. Before we get into
anything here, let's get to the ti Raq play of
the day.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
What do we got going the other way? Javonte Green
got blocked by a sell.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Goes back up block by webmnyama, block by webminiyama, lea
past cast up, pleasing up right head, turn out the
basket and the powel.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Oh what a night for Wemby.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
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were gonna show him physical defense and he wouldn't be
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Speaker 4 (35:48):
We'll get into Logan pol getting his ass kicked in
a second. But Buck is somebody that you know.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Last year watched a difficult for you NBA Finals for
the Indiana Pace. There's a I love just saying anything
that makes buck making faith buckets from Indiana went to
the University of Indiana.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
And university you read.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Sure Indiana University. Yeah, my bad out there in Bloomington.
And you know, I'm sorry. It didn't mean to offend
the sensibilities of your school is offended. I mean it's
I mean, that was that was full on. Like people
to get mad about Clemson being satan said, you know,
Clempson or Clempson or whatever. Fine as a lover of basketball, though,
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I mean, you have to appreciate.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
What Wemby does right Like, I mean, he's like an
eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Foot and tall super freak that nobody can stop, that
can also shoot from the outside, like I think, for
just for the sake of just the wild chaos of
it all, Wemby going out all the way this year. Wenby,
like the Spurs winning it, to me just feels like
the sort of cementing moment that that we we would love.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
I mean, he was awesome last night thirty eight, sixteen
and three.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
His plus minus was plus twenty against the Pistons.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
He's just when when he is.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
This is not groundbreaking analysis or anything like that, but
when he's on, there's nobody more fun to watch in
the NBA right now. And yes, I have to take
joy in my basketball life wherever I can get it,
So if it's watching somebody else have fun, somebody else's team,
be good with a super freak athlete out there as
we see him, you know, continuing to learn and develop
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in his in the early stages of his NBA career.
Because God knows, I can't watch the Pacers or frankly,
Indiana basketball just makes me.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Makes me sick when I watch them play.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
I know they beat Minnesota by thirty the other night,
but still it's very, very unpleasant experience to watch them
not be able to buy a bucket around the rim
no matter how hard they try. They try no athleticism.
That's truly is it is the only team that I
care about, really, really as a sports fan is Indiana basketball,
and they continue to make me sad. So I enjoy
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watching Wimbin Yama and and see. You know, I know
that we've got a lot of fun college basketball coming
up this weekend that we're going to talk about, but
there's nothing. There is nothing in that sport, college or
pro like Victor wemban Yama. Right now for the Spurs,
Spurs fans, I have to be just over the moon
about what it is to have that kind of a
young roster that's coalescing together and as we I mean,
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we've still got a few months ahead before teams start
to really make a playoff push here, but they're in
a really good spot at this point.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Well, continually I say that the secret to building a
great NBA team is no longer what superstar can you
go acquire? The secret is draft, developed, and depth, right Like,
that's the three d's that you know. Oklahoma City is
a living, eating, breathing example of that's just you have
to draft.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Really well, you have to develop really well.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You have to be pacing that process, and you have
to have depth. San Antonio has been a bit of
kryptonite for OKAC this year, but san Antonio very similar.
They've got a lot of young guys that are contributing
on top of Wemby being an absolute freak that nobody
can do anything with. So you have to have your
MVP type candidate, which you know, you have to have
your SGA or whatever. But that can definitely be Wemby
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and the Spurs can be I think the Spurs can
can shock the world here. They're one of the few
teams that I do think in a seven game schedule
or see a seven game series.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Could actually give okay See a problem. Okay See's record.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Is not as intimidating as it once was, but I
will just remind anyone that hasn't been paying attention to
Oklahoma City that they have been decimated by injuries. At
one point a couple of weeks ago, their big three,
their main three players have played a total of forty
two minutes together. Like we're talking about just a wild
amount of injury issues for okay See. If they never
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get healthy, we'll see how this thing goes. But even
shorthanded half the time, they still beat you. So last
night was just supposed to be this big moment because
Detroit plays physical basketball and their old school pistons, and
they're gonna go out there, They're gonna rough up Wemby
and then Wenby just like like a big brother holding
the little brother outside of punching range.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Wenby was just like.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
No, you can't stop me, you can't stop It's reminiscent
of Andre the Giant in the eighties, like a in
a battle royal. Like nobody's sending Andre over the top
rope unless he allows it. That's how I feel about
Wemby most nights. I get you ain't getting him out
of the ring unless he allows it. Unless Wenby has
an off night. You can't stop that man. You can
only Giant.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Continue No, and Detroit is excellent. So if anybody was
going to be able to, you know, put together a
plan to be able to at least try and curtail him,
I don't think you can outright stop him at this point.
You thought that Detroit would give him a better basketball game.
A couple of.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Fun things last night. I had no idea.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
It's not like I'm watching a ton of Spurs basketball
on a regular basis. Just happened to be on last night.
Stunned to discover that Kelly olynnok is still getting minutes
in the NBA at thirty.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Four years old on Spurs roster.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
I don't know why that was so funny to me,
but it's that's one of my favorite games to play,
like in the NFL or in the NBA pro sport
where you were a player that you feel like has
been gone from the league for a long long time.
He's just been in a different spot then you've associated
him with for his entire career. Kelly Olennok on the
Spurs at thirty four years old is not something that
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I thought I was going to see last night.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I love the concept of two truths in a lie,
but it's all it's two players that are still in
the league with the random team and one player that
isn't and you have to figure it out like that
is the beast of late career movement, particularly, you know, hey,
kudos to guys that can stay in the league as.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Long as we can make money.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I love every ounce of that. San Antonio is going
to be a beast, to the West is going to
be a beast, and the East is really evenly matched.
I we'll get more into NBA talk as we get
later into the season. I just think that all this
conversation right now around tanking, and that's what it's like
the cycle. Early in the season, nobody pays attention, then
everybody talks about load management, then everybody talks about tanking,
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only to finally then wake up and realize that playoff
basketball is here, and that's what everybody focuses on in
about a month that nobody's going to remember what Sacramento
or Utah did or didn't do. They're only going to
be focused on the fact that the top four, the
East and the West are all evenly matched enough that
I think we're gonna get a wildly interesting playoffs.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
So that's just that's my early prediction.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's gonna be a great NBA playoff run, at least
in the mind of one. We'll keep breaking down that
plus college basketball coming up next
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There is no offseason in the NFL, and while we
sit here days away from the beginning of free agency
and the expectation that in a few days hundreds of
millions of dollars will be spread out across the league
in ways that make teams better.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
They think we didn't even have to wait that long.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We got a blockbus's trade from a Super Bowl contender,
the Buffalo Bills finally get a wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
He's Buck Rising.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm Jason viz Bucktvit's hanging out with you this morning
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Will be with you all morning.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We're usually with you on Saturday night, so we're getting
up early instead of staying up late, and Buck we
start with a big move from the Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I want to go all the way back to a
few years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I was doing some work with a former Bills player
getting ready for the NFL Draft, and he said, you
know what, organizationally the Buffalo Bills, having just left that team,
he said, Organizationally, behind the scenes, they don't believe that
a wide receiver makes a big difference in the way
that their roster has built. They believe is an organization
that Josh Allen is responsible for around forty touchdowns a year,
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whether you put a bunch of wide receivers around him
or whether you don't. And they have acted like that
every single year, dot dot dot until now they go
get Dj Moore from.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
The Bears in a trade.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That is curious because Dj Moore has had moments where
he looks like number one big guy, and he's also
had moments where he's fine, and they just went he
got into twenty eight and a half million dollars a
year wide receiver that's coming off an eight hundred and
fifty yard season. It feels aggressive, but I don't know
how much it actually addresses everything for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
No, we love when teams overcompensate. That's exactly what's happening here. Yes,
you have a almost I mean I think he is going
to be thirty this season at some point. He will
turn thirty in the season if I'm not mistaken. And yeah,
he's expensive, but they he immediately becomes the best wide
receiver on the roster, and they have been able to
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I guess going back to your years long conversation or
your years long understanding of their team building philosophy, do
you think that they have been able to get away
with it because you could argue they have been successful
enough to an extent, right, they haven't advanced to the
Super Bowl the way that they would like, and Josh
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Allen certainly is response for you know, anywhere between thirty
thirty to thirty five touchdowns a year, whether you consider
that rushing and passing at the same at the same time.
But they are, you know, they are very much hitting
their ceiling as far as their passing game goes. Without
a true number one option and the Keon Coleman thing
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didn't work out. They did invest in a wide receiver
in the draft right turns out as a second round pick.
He's a guy that nobody wants to take responsibility for drafting,
so much so that ownership is trying to let Brandon
Bean the general manager. They're off the hook, being like, no,
the coaching staff wanted that guy. We so we're going
to get rid of the coach. Except they promoted internally
with the offensive coordinator who is now the head coach,
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so you know, a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Of mixed messaging there.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It's a it's a good move for Josh Allen, but
it can't be the only move that they make because
they still have missing pieces and parts here right their
their offensive line situation. They're going to let Connor McGovern
go their center, They're going to find have to find
different ways to support Josh Allen. They've got a lot
of different questions to answer defensively. At least takes one
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thing off of their checklist for this offseason. It also
gives us the domino effect of Okay, they're probably out,
almost assuredly out on any kind of AJ Brown deal.
Maybe no AJ Brown deal gets done this offseason whatsoever.
But we were certainly talking about the Bills as a
potential landing spot DJ Moore as a number one wide
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receiving option. I mean, he had the clutch touchdown against
the Packers in overtime to help springboard them into the
divisional round, where ultimately DJ Moore was also involved on
the play where Caleb Williams throws the game sealing interception
that lets the Rams advance to the NFC Championship game.
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It feels like Bears fans are okay with it. They're
at peace with it because they do have an emerging
young wide receiver corps at this point in time, and
they can afford to let somebody like DJ Moore walk
and potentially address additional needs in the draft. That's a
pretty big haul for a player with that cat number
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and at that age at a position that usually starts
to I think maybe I'm stealing a reference from you.
Once swade receivers hit thirty, the check engine light starts
to come on a little more.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, look, everything you just said is so accurate to
why this is weird to me. And in fairness, my
Twitter timeline has just blown up over the last week
with every single fan base that's giving me some random
weird trade for Max across me.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Who we will get to later in this show, and.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That included some people that I think do good work.
Around the bears, We're just tweeting out the typical thing
who says no. I feel like for me, who says
no on any tweet for a trade is a trigger,
like somebody's just getting click engagement, because there's always a
dumb ass trade, right. So I got one the other
day that it's like, who says no? And part of
it was like DJ Moore and a first round pick
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and a third round pick. And so I immediately clap back
to that as a Raiders fan looking at it, and said,
we who says no?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Whoever's acquiring DJ Moore?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Because the numbers on DJ Moore don't support the production.
And this is not like I understand that. This is
where people say, well, it just wasn't a good mesh.
In Ben Johnson's offense, It wasn't a good mesh with
Caleb Williams. Okay, well, I'm supposed to buy if we
just stack my logic bricks. You know me, I don't
like I'm over logical if I'm supposed to buy the
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Ben Johnson is one of the great offensive minds that
we've seen in the league in the last whatever generation,
and that's why he immediately becomes a head coach that
immediately has impact. So now I have to buy that
one of the best chefs in the world just doesn't
like cooking with this ingredient. But it's not really about
the ingredient. It's about the chef. And I'm gonna have
to buy this and a massive amount of money. As
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part of the deal, the Bills guaranteed fifteen point five
million of his base salary, which locks them into paying
him for the next two years. And it's twenty eight
and a half million this year, twenty eight and a
half million next year.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's an exorbitant amount of money for a wide receiver.
I looked it up. He's twenty eight now, he'll be
twenty nine in April.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And if you look at his stat line over the
last couple of years, I mean he's coming I know
stats and reading stats can be its own slippery slope,
but he's coming off a year under Ben Johnson with
fifty catches for six hundred and eighty two yards Like
that is not twenty eight and a half million dollars
of production at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So what the Bills have done.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
If we took the Bill's logo off their helmet and
we instead put a Cowboys logo on it, we would
be saying, oh my god, you overpaid late for something
you should have addressed years ago. I'm with you. I
don't think wide receiver is the reason that the Bills
haven't found the way to break through. I think they've
just been unlucky more than anything. I don't think there's
any one player need that changes anything. But to me,
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it's weird. This is a Bills team that fires their
head coach. They make it clear that they're going to
have to make massive change, and all they really do
is promote within. They tell you that the difference between
where they finished last year and next year where they
intend to win a super super Bowl. He's DJ Moore
and firing Sean McDermott. That to me, in the ingredient
pot does not take me from a playoff team to
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a super Bowl team.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah No, it's Buffalo feels like one of these teams
that is almost assured to take a significant step back
in twenty twenty six, right, Like they're not one of
these you know NFL team teams of the damned right
where we're talking about. I mean, the Colts are just
in a nightmarish type of situation right now as far
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as the franchise goes, the future of the franchise, the
immediate future of the franchise, especially with their fan base
probably thinking that they were going to win the Super
Bowl for a good half of the season last year,
until their bad luck started to creep up on them
and rob them of all of their joy and their
first round picks and their quarterbacks health and all these
different things. They're not the Browns, They're not the Jets
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because they still have Josh Allen. But there's just no
way that this is a football team that's going to
be better next year, right Like, help me, help me find,
help me find the area. And I understand.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Free agency didn't start for a little less than a week,
so there's going to be additional moves that are made here.
We still have the NFL Draft that's on the horizon.
The rosters are are far from complete and finished products.
So some of these conversations are flawed. But you can't
take you can't remove one of the winningest coaches in football,
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add a wide receiver, who has I don't think there's
do you feel like there's effort questions with him in
Chicago because a lot of people started to bring that
up just because of that final play where he may
not have run his route his final route of the
of the NFC Divisional Round to you know, maybe his
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best abilities. And that's in part what led to the
interception for Caleb Williams, Like there's there's been some stuff
there that continues to float around. I don't know what's
fair or not. I don't know DJ more personally, but
there's nothing so far in the Bills process. One the
process seems flawed. Right However, however, you would deem a
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successful team off season putting together the pieces, trying to
you know, trying to tighten the final screws to put
this thing over the top. They don't feel like they're
any closer to a super Bowl. They feel further away.
They continue to get further away with some of these
decisions that they make.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Maybe well maybe I'll have to eat Crow.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Maybe anybody who thinks the way that I do will
have to eat crow at the end of the day.
And Terry Pegoula can give another weird press conference and say, see,
I told you it was that damn coach's fault. All
the things that went wrong with us, it was that
damn coach's fault. The fact that my quarterback couldn't talk
to me in the locker room after the fact because
he was so upset because he threw what damn near
five interceptions in that game against the Broncos. It's that
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damn coach's fault. Maybe Terry Pegoula gets to be right
when we're talking about the Bills halfway through the season,
but as we sit here today, it's really really difficult
to see what their logic is.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm convinced DJ Moore is like that the band that
everybody tells you is really good, and every time you
listen to it, you're like, I just I don't. I mean,
how many times has anybody walked into Monday whatever your
favorite team is when when he was playing for Carolina
or not and then playing for the Bears, how many
times did you walk in if your favorite team was
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taking on DJ Moore and say, son of a Biscuit Man.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
This week we got DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I don't know how we're gonna I just don't know
how we're gonna shut down DJ Moore this week. Like
it feels like I am just clapping all over this,
but in this man's career, and I am not. I
think DJ Moore is a fine wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He's good.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I just don't remember the last time any of us
walked in and said, oh my god, my favorite team
is doomed because this week we're taking on DJ Moore.
Or for everybody that sits there and says, oh, I
gotta get my parlay in this week, DJ Moore is
going to go off, or anybody that sits there and says, man,
I am I am up a creek this week playing
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fantasy football because the.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Other guys got DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm just all of the metrics that we have don't
stack up to DJ Moore being anywhere near AJ Brown,
and he's paid like AJ Brown.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
So it's just it's a very weird situation.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Twenty eight and a half million dollars Buck mentions that
the Bills are going to take a step back this year.
I wonder what this move means for one of the
main teams that is right there today telling the Bills
that they aren't good enough anymore. What's all this mean?
For the rest of their own division. We'll break that
down next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitzis bucking Fits
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It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox
Sports Radio. However, it's neither Pro or Joe. It's Fucking
Fits taking over. He's Buck Rising on Jason Fitz for yourself.
What you're sitting across from like, okay, peek behind the curtain.
We are in two different cities when we do this show,
so we FaceTime while we do this show. A tradition
like no other is that Buck has arrived to this FaceTime,
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which is he's in Nashville, so it's five point twenty
in the morning his time. He's arrived to this FaceTime
in clearly just a hotel robe, like some sort of
fuzzy terry cloth robe. So like you're you're you're telling
me here that I'm calling you unprofessional when you like,
I don't need you to stand up to know you're
not wearing pants.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You are in a robe.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean it looks like it looks like right before
we started the show, you asked someone to leave and
then sat down like full big Lebowski style.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It was like, let's do a show.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And now you're saying that I can only speak for
myself when I say that we are neither the pros
or the Joe, which which good, sir? Are you the
pro in your terry cloth robe or the Joe in
your big Lebowski outfit?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
The dude abides.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I would say that I'm the pro in this particular
situation because not only did all of that happen, but
I'm here doing my job, and no nobody is none
the wiser because the best part about this gig is
you don't have to be on camera. I mean, we
are looking at each other, so you are tasked with
looking at me for the next you know less and
a little less than three hours at this.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Point in time.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
But I don't have to, you know, I don't have
to look camera ready until ten am my time today.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
So until then, you sweet sweet.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Angel, you're gonna sit there and you're gonna stare at
me in my bathroobe.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Can I tell you We'll get to the sports in
a second. I will tell you this, sure. You know me,
I wear basically the same thing almost every day of
my life. I wear the same I own ten of
the same black T shirt, like literally the same exact
black T shirt. I own ten of the same black
like pullover. It's like a thin one I owned, the
hoodie I'm wearing right now, or the little like hoodie
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type thing I own like three or four. My closet
is basically four things times. That's it, Like I just
it's the same thing every I'm getting ready to start
doing play by play next week for the Indoor Football
League on Yahoo Sports Network.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Is very excited about.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That's a cool moment for me, and as you know,
it's gonna be fine. I've lost a lot of weight
in my life in the last couple of years. So
I went into the closet and I pulled out suits,
and I'm in that lucky spot where literally nothing fits,
like I'm going to have to pay in a suit,
Like nothing fits me. So I reached out to this
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company and then he and I was like, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
You know, let's let's talk about some clothes.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And then he came back and he's like, well, I've
watched some of your stuff on Yahoo and like we've
got some ideas on ways we could start. Like wanted
thousands of dollars to style me for an internet show
where I'm in front of a tiny internet camera and.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That where we wear basically like casual clothes. I'm like,
I don't understand this.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I don't care enough about these things to understand. Like
just to your point, like even when I'm in front
of a camera, I'm still not like in a three
piece suit often in my life, So I I do
appreciate the fact that you've gone super casual. I just,
you know, maybe maybe maybe you and I are on
two different friends of the spectrum in front of a camera,
even if it's just us, you just maybe maybe maybe
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a shirt.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Maybe I just don't need to see your chest hair,
Like I'm a hoodie guy.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
If you keep this up, I'll just take the damn
bathroobe off, all right, Like this, keep pushing your lune, okay, bud,
like this is don't don't don't yuck my yum at
this point in time. So I need a woman's expertise here,
if you would. Is there not some kind of ick
to a dude that doesn't know how to dress on
a regular basis, Because I'm also a dude that does
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not know how to dress on a regular basis. But
I am smart enough to rely on the resource that
I have here in this wonderful city, where two women
do exactly for me what you've described you don't want
to do for yahoo. I have somebody who puts together
a PDF for me with little hyperlinked images of the clothes,
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so they.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Think you personal shopper for you.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
That's correct. Shout out Cat and Emily. We love but
they put you. They put these things together based on
the events that I have to attend. If it's a
public speaking engagement, if it's just you know, the casual
for the show, if I'm hosting the steeplechase party.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Button down.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
We got options and it's so turn key, so idiot
proof that all I gotta do is just click the
little button that they've got hyperlinked, and the clothes get
delivered to me, and then if I don't like the clothes,
they return them.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I don't even have to do that.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Oh my gosh, you fancy Did they pick out the
robes too?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Do you have those delivered?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
No? That's all me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I want to stress here, my friend, because I choose
not to make style an important part of my budget
as because because I'm cheap does not mean that I
A don't have a style or B don't know how
to dress. I look, I say, humbly, I think I've
walked more red carpets than you, my friend. All right,
(18:33):
I'm just saying if I'm like, I have walk more
red carpets than you.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
All right, So I have.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I don't know how many times you've had to play
an awards show. The number of times I've had to
play an award show in front of fifteen million people,
I just you know, that's a I understand fashion. I
just don't. It's not like getting it down. I don't
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want to put the energy into it. Like so very true,
very true story as opposed to all the fake ones.
A very true story. One of the first times I
played years ago for country artists, Phil Vassar, still one
of my best friends, like just an amazing human being,
and I wore something outlandish that day, like at the
time I was, I was spraying my hair to match
my tie, like everything was neon. I was wore something
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crazy and outlandish. And Phil wore almost the exact same
thing on stage every day when I toured with him,
and he said, somebody, he's like, that's a wild shirt.
And I was like, why do you always wear the
same thing? And he said, because eventually fans will come
up to you and they'll say, I've seen you wear
that before. And by god, like a month later, I
wore the same shirt and somebody came up and.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
They're like, oh, you wore that shirt last time.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I realized then that the more I keep things just
in a very like. I never want to have a
picture that I have to apologize for anymore with that
well that was stylarsh at the time. I don't want
to do that. I don't want to have to like
justify any of these things. I want timeless. I want
like lax charcoals navies like. I think there's a whole
fashion world there where you don't have to you know,
you don't have to necessarily go all you just you
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find your lane and you do your lane really well.
I just am repetitious with it most days in my life,
like the number of times people will say you wore
that yesterday and I'm like, aha, I just happen to
own four of the same pair of jeans, thank you
very much. So you know I don't I don't like
to think. It doesn't mean I don't have an understanding.
And I'm justifying all this to a man that is
in a terry cloth rope.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
What am I doing?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
What am I doing.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
At this point?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
No, So he's buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz. It's bucking
Fits hanging out with you.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Now. I'm into it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Now, I'm ready to go say we just add that
we I just added needle a little bit for my
own purposes, and now I'm ready to do the show.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Okay, continue, okay, right, Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
The Bills made a big acquisition in DJ Moore. We
already opened the show talking about whether or not that
actually makes them demonstrably.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Better or not.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But it does raise a question to me of there
is another team in this division that is coming off
of Super Bowl not named the Buffalo Bills, and that's.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And I've seen a couple different conflicting sort of concepts
on this, because the Patriots coming off of Super Bowl
means most of us feel they should be some kind
of way now they're in their super Bowl window.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
They should be super aggressive, they should.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Do all these things.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I've seen a couple of guys that I think do
a good job reporting on the team talk about the
fact that New England is still being very calculated. They
are treating this offseason like they are a team that
is building towards something long term. I think that makes
a lot of sense because now that we're far enough
from moved from the season, we don't have to it
doesn't have to be inflammatory to talk about, you know,
whether or not the Patriots are great or whether they
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were just hot, I don't know, but I do think
that they have to have a really good sense. They
have to be able to look in the mirror and
have a really good sense of who they are moving
forward to know the right way to build.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And sometimes that's tough to do.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like I mean, you go back to weight loss, like,
how often does somebody lose a little bit of weight
and then those pants fit so they try and put
them on, and then you realize the pants don't really
fit right, Like, the Patriots have to be painfully honest
with themselves in the mirror, not about the result last year,
but about where their team is when they go into
this offseason. I'm not sure if they're going to be
super aggressive or if they're going to stay the course.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well, and the obvious connection there and I say this
is somebody who covers the Tennessee Titans on a day
by day basis is AJ Brown and Mike Vrabel, which
a lot of people have drawn those connections or tried
to make those connections understanding that the two of them.
I know AJ did an appearance I think it was
with is a Julian Edelman in Gronk's podcast. I can't
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remember exactly where he popped up, where he's talking about
how much he hated Mike Vrabel at the start of
his career because he didn't necessarily understand the way that
Mike coaches, especially young talented players, that he's trying to
find ways to bring the best.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Out of it.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And finally, you know that style, AJ came around on it,
and now they have a great relationship despite not being
on the same team anymore. This AJ Brown acquisite potential acquisition, right,
there's been nothing reported that seems to have moved the
Eagles off of their position, and in fact, Mike Garifolo
(23:11):
was on television I want to say last week during
the combine saying quote to this point, they have not
gotten to the point at which the Eagles would make
a move specific to AJ Brown. And the other part
of this is, I'm just reading from Garifolo's reporting. In
their minds, it's a Quinn Williams type deal for AJ
We're talking a potential first round pick with a second
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round sweetener on it. That's kind of where it is
for the Eagles to start to consider moving AJ Brown
if they don't get close to that point or to
that point, I don't think Howie Roseman moves him. So
the Quinn Williams deal for AJ Brown, the Cowboys gave
up a twenty twenty six second round pick, a twenty
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twenty seven first round pick, and a defensive tackle Mazzie Smith,
who I'm not mistaken was also a former first round
pick in his career. That's a pretty significant haul. And
you know, I don't I wouldn't pretend to know what
the career of Mozzie Smith respectfully, I'm I'm sure he's
a fine player, but I don't know what that looks
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like for New England. They're not in a position to
be giving up valuable draft capitol. And again, their first
round pick, it's thirty one, right, it might as well
be a second. So I don't know that that doesn't
drive the deal up further to where they're having to
toss an additional compensation. And who a player comp might
be for Mazzie Smith on the Patriots roster, I'm I'm
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not sure either, Like a Philadelphia want Pop Douglas in
exchange for AJ Brown and a couple of draft picks,
I don't know. I don't I think the easy connection
is there to make it, but it's not something that
if the Patriots want to continue to build their roster
in the best way possible organically through the draft process.
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As enticing as the idea and as fun as the
idea of AJ and Mike reuniting might be in New England,
certainly for Patriots fans, you also got to consider what
you're trading for. I AJ's been in Philadelphia longer than
he was here in Tennessee. But I loved my time
covering AJ. The person is a is somebody who I
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very much enjoyed who I think he's a fundamentally good person,
despite some of the eccentricities that may come with his
performance on the field. And I don't know how Philly
fans feel about him. I'm sure more of them love
him than not. But it's it's completely fair to say
that AJ Brown did not give his full effort last
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year in certain situations, and that's not something that's going
to fly in a place like New England. It certainly
it doesn't fly in a place like Philadelphia where they're
trying to figure it out and he's kind of got
him kind of got them backed into a corner. A
little bit because he he does have. I think there
are legitimate gripes to why AJ you know, may feel
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or act out the way that he does in certain situations.
But that's that's not the kind of player. That's not
the kind of element that I think you want to
add to your young, burgeoning roster in New England if
you think that there are going to be some moments
where he stirs it up just for the sake of
stirring it up. There's also the component that I don't
think a lot of people are talking about, is that
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how healthy is he? I mean, he had stuff here
at the end in Tennessee and it wasn't so, you know,
obviously he's gone on to have an even statistically better
career in Philadelphia than he was with the Titans, and
he's coming off a career worst year. But we understand
that there are some mitigating circumstances to that he didn't
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look right last year. And I don't have his medicals.
I'm not in Philadelphia every day, and I don't want to.
I don't want to get into a discussion that that
I don't I'm not fully armed with all of the
information to have, but there's just something every time I
watched him last year, he just simply didn't look right
outside of the clear lack of effort that was on
the field for them in a couple of different instances.
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I think all of those are fair criticisms of Aja,
even though I acknowledge you is still an excellent player
at a very important position that would benefit the Patriots
if they were able to acquire him for a hell
of a lot less than we're talking about here.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
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of se Von Diggs.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
They cut him.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, he's not going to be part of the team
next year, which I don't think is a shocking moment
for most people, but it does leave sort of an
area of concern. I have long since said the minute
you as an organization believe you might have your your
answer at quarterback, especially young guys, the first thing you
have an obligation to do is give them as many
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weapons as possible. I look at quarterbacks that they're young
as like a teeter totter or a seesaw, depending on
where you grew up right, So in the beginning, the
quarterback needs all the help, needs all the weight that
comes from a bunch of weapons, and then you hope
over time the quarterback becomes the weight and lifts everybody
else up.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So I don't love as much as Drake May. I
think had a very good season, and we all I'm
not sitting here saying Drake May isn't the answer. It's fine.
I just as you know, Buck, I like to take
three years to make any decisions. I think year three
is a really big one for these young quarterbacks. What
I don't want for the Patriots in this process, like,
I don't want the Patriots to become the Bills who
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we talked about earlier, who even if they love their quarterback,
they're just rolling them out there saying, all right, just
make it work with whatever you got. Like it makes
sense to me for the Patriots to acquire somebody. I
think it would make a lot more sense in my mind,
for the Patriots to go all in on somebody like
Alec Pierce this year. If they're going to go in
at the wide receiver position, then it would AJ Brown
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simply because Alec is younger. I want somebody that can
come in and sort of grow with him. But I'm
not saying Alec is nearly the prospect or the player
that AJ Brown is.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Like AJ Brown's a better player.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I'm not sure Alan to be consistent, I'm not sure
I feel that much differently about Alec Pearce than I
did about DJ More earlier, who I said, how often
do you walk in just scared your taking on Alec Pearce.
I just I don't know what the Patriots are going
to do with that position, but I would love to
see them bring in somebody that can be that guy
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for Drake May, because I'm not sure that we can.
We can plant the flag on Drake May no longer
needs help around him. I think most young quarterbacks do,
especially veteran help, and I mean Drake needs that in
my mind, so it's important that the Patriots address the
position somehow.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
To me, no, I think it's glaringly obvious that Drake
May needs that kind of help, both you know, in
front of him and as far as his skill guys
goes the Alec Pierce thing, and you know, free agency
gets going next week, we have the start of the
new league year, and all of these things will start
to fly around early and often in the process. He's
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thought to be the best available wide receiver in free agency.
Now that the Colts transition tag Daniel Jones, they weren't
able to use the franchise tag on Alec Pierce. Maybe
he still ends up going back to Indianapolis. It's just
going to cost them a hell of a lot more
money than it would if they were able to utilize
their team control on him.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Again, the Colts.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Decision making is very confusing to me, But that's not
the conversation that we're having right now. He Alec Pierce
did an interview with Kay Adams I think it was
this week where you know, to his credit, he's been
the best deep threat statistically, he's been the best deep
threat in the league for the last two years, not
just last year where the Colts offense was operating an
extremely high level for a good half of the season.
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But his whole point was well, just you know, I
only got I think it was forty five, forty seven
targets last year. Think of what I could do if
I was an eighty target guy a year. I'll break
I'll break the you know, I'll break the receiving records
and things like that. And I looked at that quote,
and I have no problem with a player saying that
or truly to his core believing that, because that's the
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kind of confidence that you have to have to be
able to be a professional athlete. And I'm not down
on him projecting that belief. But as far as practicality goes, buddy,
that's not your game. Like, you're not a volume target guy.
You're talking about paying a dude. And I know this
just because I watched the Titans do this with Calvin
Ridley a couple of years ago. You are a high
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end two, okay, And I know guys don't want to
hear that. And I'm not here to put a ceiling
on dudes. If they think that they can do more
in their career and they think that they maybe just
haven't got the opportunity, maybe they're right in that situation.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
But to this point, you are.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
One of the best secondary options at wide receiver that
anybody's had in the league because you also have Jonathan Taylor,
and you have Tyler Warren, and you have Michael Pittman junior,
like Indianapolis has Champagne problems on offense other than you know,
the whole quarterback situation basically for the last I don't know,
it feels like a decade. Chris Balad's been trying to
figure that out. But Alec Pierce becomes a much different
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player if you start to treat him like a number
one wide receiver and he has to win in a
bunch of different ways other than the way that he's
been winning, which has been a hugely successful formula for him.
So this is this is a complicated question that the
Patriots have to solve this offseason because they're I mean,
I don't know, FITZI, if you told me that they
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didn't make the playoffs next year, I don't think I
wouldn't be that surprised.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
No, I at all.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
And you know, to me, it's a lot like the Commanders,
who even people within Washington. I know it's become a
trendy thing, but even people within Washington a year ago
told people that at Yahoo, hey, we understand that we
played ahead of where we were. We just had a
really good year We've got to get the rest of
the ross start up to where it needs to be
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to be consistently good.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
They weren't able to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Now everything's fallen apart for Washington, in part because of
the health of Jade and Daniels last year. I think
the Patriots need to understand that, you know, and I'm
sure they do understand. I think they're making it clear
they understand that even though last year was ahead of schedule,
they're still in a building process.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I love the way you broke down, Alec Pearce.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I would add Reshid Shaheed to that same list, right like,
that's another wide receiver that people believe is going to
get massive money, and they probably will because he's on
the market. But how much of the success that he
had last year when traded to Seattle was about him particularly,
and how much of it was about the fact that
teams were accounting for Jackson Smith and Jigba and the coordinator.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Knew how to utilize them the best way.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Now Conversely, how much of jsn's success was because she
was taking some of.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
The top end off of all this. I understand that.
I think it's just understanding that.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
There are multiple ingredients that make for a successful wide
receiver room, and they we don't all get compensated the
same way. If your real calling card is that, oh
my god, you are electrically fast and you can also
do some nice things, that becomes much easier wins above replacement.
That becomes much easier to figure out in the draft
than necessarily some of the other wide receiver positions.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So it's it's a little, uh, it's a little touchy.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Speaking of a little touchy, an internet celebrity decided yesterday
that he can fight an NFL player and win. What
do we make of Logan Paul's thoughts and who would
kick his ass the most?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
We'll tell you next.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's Bucking Fits hanging out for two Pros and a
Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
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Speaker 3 (34:46):
It's Fucking Fits taking over two Pros and a Cup
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Speaker 4 (34:51):
He's Buck Rising.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I'm Jason Fitzperre, usually with you on Saturdays, hanging out
with It from six to eight pm Eastern time. So
be sure to hang out with us this weekend and
we'll be back on Monday morning too. So you got
a little bit of a bookend of the two of
us hanging out for the guys. Before we get into
anything here, let's get to the ti Raq play of
the day.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
What do we got going the other way? Javonte Green
got blocked by a sell.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Goes back up block by webmnyama, block by webminiyama, lea
past cast up, pleasing up right head, turn out the
basket and the powel.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Oh what a night for Wemby.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Last night I kept hearing from everybody that the pistons
were gonna show him physical defense and he wouldn't be
able to handle it.
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Speaker 4 (35:48):
We'll get into Logan pol getting his ass kicked in
a second. But Buck is somebody that you know.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Last year watched a difficult for you NBA Finals for
the Indiana Pace. There's a I love just saying anything
that makes buck making faith buckets from Indiana went to
the University of Indiana.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
And university you read.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Sure Indiana University. Yeah, my bad out there in Bloomington.
And you know, I'm sorry. It didn't mean to offend
the sensibilities of your school is offended. I mean it's
I mean, that was that was full on. Like people
to get mad about Clemson being satan said, you know,
Clempson or Clempson or whatever. Fine as a lover of basketball, though,
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I mean, you have to appreciate.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
What Wemby does right Like, I mean, he's like an
eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Foot and tall super freak that nobody can stop, that
can also shoot from the outside, like I think, for
just for the sake of just the wild chaos of
it all, Wemby going out all the way this year. Wenby,
like the Spurs winning it, to me just feels like
the sort of cementing moment that that we we would love.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
I mean, he was awesome last night thirty eight, sixteen
and three.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
His plus minus was plus twenty against the Pistons.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
He's just when when he is.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
This is not groundbreaking analysis or anything like that, but
when he's on, there's nobody more fun to watch in
the NBA right now. And yes, I have to take
joy in my basketball life wherever I can get it,
So if it's watching somebody else have fun, somebody else's team,
be good with a super freak athlete out there as
we see him, you know, continuing to learn and develop
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in his in the early stages of his NBA career.
Because God knows, I can't watch the Pacers or frankly,
Indiana basketball just makes me.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Makes me sick when I watch them play.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
I know they beat Minnesota by thirty the other night,
but still it's very, very unpleasant experience to watch them
not be able to buy a bucket around the rim
no matter how hard they try. They try no athleticism.
That's truly is it is the only team that I
care about, really, really as a sports fan is Indiana basketball,
and they continue to make me sad. So I enjoy
(37:57):
watching Wimbin Yama and and see. You know, I know
that we've got a lot of fun college basketball coming
up this weekend that we're going to talk about, but
there's nothing. There is nothing in that sport, college or
pro like Victor wemban Yama. Right now for the Spurs,
Spurs fans, I have to be just over the moon
about what it is to have that kind of a
young roster that's coalescing together and as we I mean,
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we've still got a few months ahead before teams start
to really make a playoff push here, but they're in
a really good spot at this point.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Well, continually I say that the secret to building a
great NBA team is no longer what superstar can you
go acquire? The secret is draft, developed, and depth, right Like,
that's the three d's that you know. Oklahoma City is
a living, eating, breathing example of that's just you have
to draft.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Really well, you have to develop really well.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You have to be pacing that process, and you have
to have depth. San Antonio has been a bit of
kryptonite for OKAC this year, but san Antonio very similar.
They've got a lot of young guys that are contributing
on top of Wemby being an absolute freak that nobody
can do anything with. So you have to have your
MVP type candidate, which you know, you have to have
your SGA or whatever. But that can definitely be Wemby
(39:07):
and the Spurs can be I think the Spurs can
can shock the world here. They're one of the few
teams that I do think in a seven game schedule
or see a seven game series.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Could actually give okay See a problem. Okay See's record.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Is not as intimidating as it once was, but I
will just remind anyone that hasn't been paying attention to
Oklahoma City that they have been decimated by injuries. At
one point a couple of weeks ago, their big three,
their main three players have played a total of forty
two minutes together. Like we're talking about just a wild
amount of injury issues for okay See. If they never
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get healthy, we'll see how this thing goes. But even
shorthanded half the time, they still beat you. So last
night was just supposed to be this big moment because
Detroit plays physical basketball and their old school pistons, and
they're gonna go out there, They're gonna rough up Wemby
and then Wenby just like like a big brother holding
the little brother outside of punching range.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Wenby was just like.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
No, you can't stop me, you can't stop It's reminiscent
of Andre the Giant in the eighties, like a in
a battle royal. Like nobody's sending Andre over the top
rope unless he allows it. That's how I feel about
Wemby most nights. I get you ain't getting him out
of the ring unless he allows it. Unless Wenby has
an off night. You can't stop that man. You can
only Giant.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Continue No, and Detroit is excellent. So if anybody was
going to be able to, you know, put together a
plan to be able to at least try and curtail him,
I don't think you can outright stop him at this point.
You thought that Detroit would give him a better basketball game.
A couple of.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Fun things last night. I had no idea.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
It's not like I'm watching a ton of Spurs basketball
on a regular basis. Just happened to be on last night.
Stunned to discover that Kelly olynnok is still getting minutes
in the NBA at thirty.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Four years old on Spurs roster.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
I don't know why that was so funny to me,
but it's that's one of my favorite games to play,
like in the NFL or in the NBA pro sport
where you were a player that you feel like has
been gone from the league for a long long time.
He's just been in a different spot then you've associated
him with for his entire career. Kelly Olennok on the
Spurs at thirty four years old is not something that
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I thought I was going to see last night.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I love the concept of two truths in a lie,
but it's all it's two players that are still in
the league with the random team and one player that
isn't and you have to figure it out like that
is the beast of late career movement, particularly, you know, hey,
kudos to guys that can stay in the league as.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Long as we can make money.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I love every ounce of that. San Antonio is going
to be a beast, to the West is going to
be a beast, and the East is really evenly matched.
I we'll get more into NBA talk as we get
later into the season. I just think that all this
conversation right now around tanking, and that's what it's like
the cycle. Early in the season, nobody pays attention, then
everybody talks about load management, then everybody talks about tanking,
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only to finally then wake up and realize that playoff
basketball is here, and that's what everybody focuses on in
about a month that nobody's going to remember what Sacramento
or Utah did or didn't do. They're only going to
be focused on the fact that the top four, the
East and the West are all evenly matched enough that
I think we're gonna get a wildly interesting playoffs.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
So that's just that's my early prediction.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's gonna be a great NBA playoff run, at least
in the mind of one. We'll keep breaking down that
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