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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio.
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming up on
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Kyler Murray is now a Minnesota Viking. What does it
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away we go here. What up? Quinn?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
What up? Jonas? I'm not really sure? Do you guys?
Probably do something when I'm out here?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, whatever, Try and fire him up. That's our that's
our rallying cry. It's like the defensive alignment who used
to get us smacked in the face to get fired up.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, yeah, it was that John Henderson.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah didn't he did he go in the College Football
Hall of Fame recently or something along those lines, I
want to run.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
He was a gigantic human being. So that was I
had Joe Sheehan, the trainer. He used to slap him.
He was in Jacksonville. He came to Cleveland and I
remember we saw that clip. We asked him about it and
I said, were you ever scared like he was just
gonna snap.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
On you one day?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He's like, yeah, yeah, pretty much every time I was like,
I don't I don't have to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, well, then whatever it takes to get get you
rocking and rolling. But listen, we were all waiting around
trying to see when the move was going to be made.
It felt like a foregone conclusion. There was some rumblings
out there that maybe the Steelers could be in the mix.
But as it turns out, what a lot of people
expected would be the ultimate end goal here was Kyler
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Murray being in Minnesota Viking and congratulations to our friends
listening on the Yalla Horn of the Twin Cities on
Kfan right now, you got yourselves a brand new quarterback.
Kyler Murray is the guy inks a one year deal
a little over a million dollars. Since the Arizona Cardinals
are on the hook for the remainder and Kyler Murray
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is the brand new starter for I don't want to
jump to conclusions, but Kyler Murray is the brand new
quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, he's going to have to jump to conclusions. I'm
not sure he's tall enough to do otherwise.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Oh no, I will say this, he is extremely talented.
When healthy, he can change the game with his legs.
He's a capable passer within the system. I will be
curious to see how Kevin O'Connell uses them. Only because
we've talked about this before. You know, he's not gonna
I'm not saying he can't play from under center, but
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if he is under center, the run pass split is
gonna be heavily favored towards run because.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
If they are gonna pass, it's gonna be hard to
be drop back.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I mean, nowadays the NFL doesn't have your typical three
step drop back anyway. But it would be really hard
for him to do that, So that's not gonna happen.
It's gonna be any sort of boot, deep play action
or run like Those are the three things that would
probably end up being and that's what's gonna give away
some of those tells of those signs. But Kevin o'cal's
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a smart play caller, man, I mean, he's he's as
good as it gets in the NFL. So I'm sure
they're gonna be able to find ways of scheming up
Caler Burry put him in positions to succeed, continue to
find ways of isolating Justin Jefferson, and this.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Offense will roll on.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What's what I'm really the most curious to seek is
with this one year deal, he's got a no tag clause,
so if he plays well enough, he can couple this
into maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
A longer term deal. And that's why you sign a
one year deal. Some people would be like, oh, well, maybe.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
The Viking aren't sure of this, or maybe Kyler Murray
or whoever, whatever side. When you're signing a one year deal,
you're saying to the team like, I'm going to come there,
start and play and prove it to you so I
could sign that big money deal that I think I deserve.
That's what this is setting up for.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I look at it from a Minnesota standpoint. Honestly,
what do you got to lose? Like, if it's a
million dollars in change and Arizona's on the hook for
the rest, Like that's a bargain considering, Hey, it's a
clear upgrade at the position. I don't think anybody would
argue that it's a clear upgrade there. I know he
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didn't finish off the season last year on the best
of terms with the Cardinals, but a lot of that
was just shutting him down to keep him healthy in
case there was a move that was going to be
made or whatnot. I just look at it and I go,
you know, why not last year didn't work. It's clearly
not working with JJ McCarthy. It feels like there's all
sorts of stuff going on, health things happening there with
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that guy, And I look at from a Minnesota standpoint,
I go, why wouldn't you take a chance? As you mentioned,
talented guy. It's it's not like that's why when the
conversation about Tua or Kyler Murray comes up, people just
kind of dismissed them as all, of course they're available,
who would want him? There's been a lot of quarterbacks
who have played a lot worse football in the NFL
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than those two guys, Like they've played really.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Really good.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
No, I'm just saying. I'm saying in during their time,
in their era, there's been a lot of quarterbacks that
you look at. There's a reason why they got two
hundred plus million dollar contracts. It just didn't work out
there and it fell apart. And it's not like Kyler
Murray was a part of this real successful organization that's
known to have be all buttoned up and they've got
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everything figured out. They were a mess too in Arizona.
So were the Dolphins. So I look at it, I
go from a from a Minnesota standpoint, what do you
got to lose? Like this feels like a no brainer,
and he ends up in Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell and
an opportunity to win that job and get a bigger
contract on the back end.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
To that point, I mean, Arizona's not viewed as one
of the better organizations, and that's where Caler Murray got drafted.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And honestly, they were on the right path.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Unfortunately, once they got rid of Cliff Kingsbury, once they
got you know, governed of that pairing, you saw what
happened to this organization. They've been kind of floundering trying
to find their way since and that's unfortunately what happens
with bad organizations. They have one step back and they
can't handle the pressure. They want to find a way.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Of moving on.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And the truth is, you know, now, Cliff Kingsbury's one
of those offensive coordinated candidates that gets head coaching interviews again.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Caler Murray's signing with you know, the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
If he plays I think the way he's capable of,
I could see him if he's not signing Minnesota, sign
somewhere else. I mean, that's really what it's about it.
I should just say this is for like a one
year proven deal from Minnesota to one year proven deal
everywhere else. I think the toughest part for signing a
one year proven deal with Minnesota is again I keep
going back to this, and people are gonna get tired
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of hearing this.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That draft class next year is so damn good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They're gonna he's gonna have to go somewhere where that
maybe they sign him, but it's gonna be hard to
find a long term commitment because most long term commandments
are gonna come in the form of a first round
draft pick with one of these qbs.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So that's gonna be the issue.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I do think there'll be a heavy enough need for
quarterbacks amongst NFL teams. Maybe there's some teams hanging on
to some guys or giving them one more year, or
guys who are getting older that they're gonna say, we
need to start thinking about someone maybe after him, whatever
the case may be. Next year is gonna be a
tough year if you're a free agent quarterback, because you've
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got this draft class of quarterbacks that the NFL have
used highly. And I'm saying that in twenty twenty six
because that's what I know from watching those guys who
played in college this past year who will be draft
eligible then and for what everyone's talking about too in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So that's the only issue with the ration of this contract.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You kind of wish you could have gotten a longer
term deal done at this point, but clearly I wasn't
gonna work for both sides now.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Kyler Murray did talk yesterday with the media in Minnesota.
He spoke about his relationship with Kevin O'Connell and then
whether or not he views himself as the guy now
the number one QB in Minnesota. Me and k will
go back to the lead eleven days.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I remember, you know, during the combine, I did you know,
I had an interview with the Redskins at the time
commanders and he was with them, and he pulled me
aside after my meeting with him, And ever since then
our relationship, he's always made sure to check in on me,
whether it was after a game, you know, things like that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So I always respected that.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I always appreciate his opinion on me and the support
that he's given me. So for now, you know, getting
to play for him and have that relationship with him
means the world. Obviously, he's had a lot of success
with quarterbacks, different quarterbacks, and he's he's one of the
best offensive minds in the game. So I'm looking for
for the you know, going to work with them.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Do you view this as as you're coming in as
the starting quarterback? Do you view this as a competition.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, No, Like I said, I'm just grateful the opportunity,
Grateful for the opportunity. You know, I look forward to
coming and competing and getting to learn the offense, getting
to be with coach O'Connell. Obviously he's had a lot
of success and again I'm just looking for looking forward
to the opportunity coming in here and competing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Uh Now, Kevin O'Connell has not will not name a starter.
He would not name a starter as well. And I
can understand the approach, but I don't think anybody is.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Nine in the mix, mcar which ones are going to.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Be, because that that's where you know, things get real
twisted here, because you know it's there's there's.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Two different quarterbacks in the mix.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, there's there's a lot. I I don't think that
I do wonder for JJ McCarthy. This is this had
to have been a really really and it's not even
over yet, but this has to have been a really,
really uncomfortable off season because it's literally the place that
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all available quarterbacks want to go, but they just don't
want you. That's got to be a really awful feeling
to know, even justin Jefferson's out talking about, Hey, Kirk Cousins,
they're to all these all these quarterbacks that they're that
have been thrown out there in the mix. Everybody wants
that spot because of the talent, the guy calling the plays,
(11:24):
the organization, but the guy that they drafted, Yeah, we're
good here, man, we're good here, and we'll just continue
to move on and try and improve the quarterback room.
I just I wonder what his thought process is, like.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, maybe stop calling himself nine. You know, maybe that'll
be the first thing. So don't you don't have an
alter ego that'd be that'd be great to start off with.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's what's what's interesting about it is, say Kyler Murray
comes in plays well, all right, So the JJ McCarthy
era in Minnesota is over, and that's probably it as
far as his best shot to be a starter in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's yeah, he's gonna have He's going to have a
hard time, you know, catching on. And again, people are
gonna pick guys who are in the you know, draft
class coming behind him next year, and they're probably gonna
look at other guys who have played and just and
then and that's the unfortunate reality of you of the
NFL in today's dan age, Right, this is going to
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be a league that it doesn't have patience for quarterback development,
that doesn't have patience for quarterbacks to display that they
can play this league and have value. And so besides
a few moments that that's it for JJ, and he's
gonna have to find himself in a situation where he's
probably going to back up and if someone gets hurt
and looking, I mean, Kyler Murray's had some injury issues,
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but if Caler Murray gets hurt, then he could hopefully
come in and play well and prove that he's capable
of playing this league. Like that's the position that he's in.
And I think the tough part is Murray's had his
own injury issues, but so is JJ McCarthy. So whether
or not Jaj McCarthy can stay healthy is kind of
a bit of a question.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah it's uh so, McCarthy's only twenty three years old.
And I just wonder if they're also at the same
time because Kevin O'Connell is one of the more respected
play callers in the league right as far as his
dealings with quarterbacks and whatnot. And I just wonder how
many teams will also look at this and say, well,
christ if you couldn't make it work with him, like,
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what does that say about the rest of the league.
And so now he just, you know, kind of finds
himself in a little bit of no man's land, you know,
with an opportunity to quote unquote compete, but nobody really
thinks he's got the gig. And then I wonder, from
a Minnesota standpoint, I think people get lost in the
fact that they had their issues at quarterback. They get
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lost in the fact that you know where they finished
in the division, et cetera, et cetera. Minnesota wasn't a
bad football team last year. It's not like this is
a bad team. They just couldn't figure out the quarterback position.
There were some tough breaks and tough losses, and Kevin
O'Connell even said, he's look, man, the window kind of
changed a little bit. You know, we had to kind
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of speed things up. You've still got Justin Jefferson. There's
still a ton of talent there. They restructured Aaron Jones's deal,
so he's going to stick around. I just look at
it and I go, this is an opportunity for Minnesota
to all of a sudden be back in the playoff mix.
We don't know what Chicago's going to look like. Green
Bay's had a bunch of turnover there. Detroit, you know,
lost David Montgomery. They've still got some talent, but you know,
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there's some questions whether or not they've peaked. I just
look at it. And I go from Minnesota upgraded a
quarterback at the quarterback position for a team that wasn't
nearly as bad as I think a lot of people
might might consider them what they were last year.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, well said, I mean I think that the
The other thing is, at the end of the day, well, JJ.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Knay, be honest here, it wasn't that well said, all right,
let's just be honest here. It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Okay, it just wasn't whatever you want to say.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
At the end of the day, though, the only thing
JJ McCarthy can control is what he does and how
he performed when he gets that opportunity. And I think
that's the toughest thing for you know, any player in
his position is you don't know when it's gonna come.
You got to stay ready and you have to make
sure that you're locked into this and the pressures on.
As a guy who you know, I would say that
Caler Murray's going to go in there, he's gonna you know.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Wowsome people as much as he's you know.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Smaller in size and stature, which everyone seemed to make
fun of. But that was one of the the funnier
things about yesterday's signing was just being relentless, I mean
ruthless with the comments about his type.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But when he gets in there and then the defenses are.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Trying to you know, sack him and bring him down
everything else, it's it's going to be impressive to watch
him escape and watch him create and watch him do the.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Things he does.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that's you know, and that's one of the things.
It'll also be interesting to watch how Caler Murray grows,
you know, understanding the game of football. You look at
a lot of the guys that spend time in Minnesota,
Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones. I mean, look at the paydays
they've got they've gotten. Look at the success they've had.
I mean Jones only half a season, but still it
got on that new contract you just signed, Sam Donald,
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Win's a super Bowl. You start going through the list
of guys who you know, spend some time in Minnesota,
they got paid.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, Kirk Cousins an example of that too.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So I think this is a great opportunity for Kyler
Murray to revamp his image of what people think he
is as a quarterback. And for Jaj McCarthy, you know,
it's probably his last opportunity he's gonna get to have
any chance of starting, and then that might come as
a backup if Murray gets hurt or maybe it doesn't
play well.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But I look at him just say you better take every.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Moment now to prepare yourself and hope that opportunity comes,
because if not, it might be a while.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
If ever, Yeah, the short memes and stuff that are
going around about Kyler Murray. Can't the guy just celebrate
the landing spot with the team that he grew up
rooting for, and instead, you know, people are just bearing
him all over the place. I mean, you know, you
found a couple, what was the one They're walking through
the airport and he's like high fiving. People are making
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Kyler Murray out like he's Peter Dinklice. Okay, he's not all.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Right, He's a little kid walking through that there was
once all was a car and they're like, look at
Calimburly pulling up the Viking facility is bad.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I just think, you know, at a certain point, you
got to put some respect on the guy's name. Do
people understand how difficult it is to get drafted top
ten in two different sports? Okay, he was drafted top
ten NFL and major League Baseball. I gets you got
to be something to have that happen. I don't know
if that's ever happened before, but Kyler Murray did it,
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and now he's going to be presumably the brand new
starter for the Minnesota Vikings on a team trying to
get back to the postseason. I think we should celebrate
that and people just stop picking on the guy because
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So yeah, Miami of Ohio not thrilled with what happened
to start the tourney there. And if you finished a
regular season undefeated, you get into the conference attorney, you
lose your first game, and so now, all of a sudden,
even though I don't think this is a possibility, I
don't think this is happening at all, but all of
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a sudden, this day lend to well, maybe maybe they're
going to be on the outside looking in. I don't
think that happens. But selection Sunday, when it comes around
in a couple of days at least, there's some sort
of an argument to be made as to why people
feel like they're not deserving. I don't know if that's
an actual real thing, because I would disagree.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Well, okay, I think there's two conversations to be had,
and this is where we venture or are venturing into
the whole college football debate that occurs during their playoff
and their season.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And what's happening now in college basketball. And you heard
Bruce Pearl do this.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
We talked about it, which, by the way, his son
gives the worst, the worst pregame speeches.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I digress.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
If you haven't seen Bruce Pearl's son, head coach at Auburn,
give a pregame speech, yeah you've I mean, I've never
been more unimpressed with a pregame speech before in my life.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I would say this though about Mind of Ohio, and
we've talked about this a little bit before. What has
made March Madness great or is, you know, is the
history of teams like Miam of Ohio. I mean Wally
Zurbiak back in the day when he took Mina of
Ohio on a run. You know, those are those memorable
moments that people recall and that make the tournament and
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make March Madness what it is. So if you're not
going to have this team be a part of it,
you're taking away from that chance of an opportunity of
David versus Goliath be able to show everyone that they
can play with the best teams in the country. Now,
that's one side of the argument that's been the history
of the tournament. Maybe the tournament doesn't want it to
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be that anymore. You know, maybe the tournament wants it
to beat the teams that actually have the best basketball players,
the most money from their collectives or their school that
they're putting into the basketball program. Maybe that's what the
tournament wants because they look at their tournament, they say,
we want to have actually a legitimate you know, teams
play off for this and not have these cinderella stories
where there may be blowout, so there may be game.
(25:00):
Is that our lack competitiveness. I'm not sure where they're
at with all of this, but I would say this
if my end Ohio, if you stack them up next
to some of the best teams in the country.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And this is an example of that.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like watching that game yesterday, first off, Maya Hio had
no business losing. It kind of choked it away there
in the final eight minutes or so when they had
about an eight to nine point lead.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Then you mass slowly start to peck away.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But more so than that, you just like I don't
look at that mana of Ohio team, and maybe there's
some people who are fans would disagree. There's no Wally
Zurbiak on that team. There's no player on that team
that I'll look at and say he's going to go
in the NBA and have a long.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Successful career.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe one of those guys will prove
me wrong, but that's one of the biggest differences I see.
And outside of that, it is hard to acknowledge when
you do watch them and you hear everyone talk about
their strength to schedule. Yeah, I could see that. How
did this team get to thirty one and one at
this point, probably by playing a software schedule and find
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a way of winning in the final moments, which is
what the game's all about.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But the truth of the matter is, yeah, they're probably
not one of the best teams, But are they deserving
to be the tournament?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I think so after that loss, though according to ESPN's
whatever saber metrics are crap they do huh. They say
there's like a thirty eight to thirty nine percent chance
they get in, which is disappointed to hear, but I
can understand if they're changing the criteria of what they're
looking at now.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I just the part that because when you make you know,
we start discussing, well, they're trying to turn this into
a college football argument, which is true, and they're trying
to do that. And I can understand the argument if
we're talking about just the twelve teams, like, are they
one of the twelve best teams in the country. No,
you could probably argue they're not one of the twenty
five best teams in the country, even though they're a
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top twenty five ranked team. Like that, All of that
is fair. Nobody thinks, my, I don't even know what
their odds are to win the national championship. But it's
it's you know, five dollars, when's you aller jet. It's
not going to happen. Everybody acknowledges that. But man, in
a tournament where you got over sixty teams, like the
idea that you couldn't carve out a space for a
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team that went thirty one and one is mind boggling
to me. And the fact that that really is on
the table at this point, and that you know, they've
got a percentage up there of you know, their odds
to get in and it's basically, you know, thirty something
percent that you mentioned for them to even get into
the tournament, that that's kind of crazy. And you know
what if they get in, and I can understand the
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pushback on, well, you know, do you really want Cinderella
teams going that far because you want name brands? I
got news for you, and you and I have talked
about this for a while. It is the most difficult tournament,
the most unfair tournament to a higher rank seed in
all of sports. I don't care what playoff format you
want to talk about. There really is no true advantage
other than, hey, you get to play in your region suite.
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But what a region that is. Look, I got news
for you. I grew up in southern California. They would
consider my region San Francisco. We were there kind of
a different place, kind of a different place from where
I grew up. So the idea that you would have
a Miami of Ohio get into the tournament and then
it's well, you know, if they lose the first game,
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you know, it just shows that they're not deserving. Man,
if you get into the tournament and you're a Cinderella team,
but you do go on a run in that tournament
in that format. You deserve all the credit you get.
I don't want to hear anything, well, it's bad for ratings,
it's bad for this, Then you go do it. There's
been a lot of Man, you've criticized Calipari, there's been
a lot of one and done's awful performances by John Calipari.
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And then you have had teams like Oakland or Vermont
and some of these other schools, Gonzaga, Butler or when
Brad Stevens did it back to back years. You've had
other teams go on runs. If you get into that tournament,
which I think they should, and they go on to
run there, I don't want to hear anybody say, well, it's,
you know, benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't been there.
If you get there and you have an opportunity and
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you go on that run and win a tournament like that,
which is a giant pain in the ass to me,
I just think, I think you've earned your stripes. So
that's why I like the Cinderella aspect of it, and
I hope it continues because everybody makes somebody makes a
run every year.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, I think the hard thing is the bigger schools
and programs, and maybe some blue bloods are pushing now
more than ever for a like almost promotion relegation because
there's three hunred some teams that you got to select from,
and so how do you go about creating a format
where it makes sense and not make the tournament, you know,
a month and a half long. I mean, you've got
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sixty eight teams. Now we've got pushing for how many
more teams? They're going past seventy two? I think it
would go to seventy six and.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Whatever it is, seventy six.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, it's like they're going to add what eight more teams?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
There's like and I can understand that because you've got
so many teams that are up for this.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean it is cool. It's like, you know, as
a dad.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And I'm not sure if you're doing this with Andrew
because some of the games might be on kind of
early for you guys. But I said to my girls
the other day, I was like, hey, like you you
remember it's March Madness. And they're like, yeah, we get
to fill out those brackets, like oh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
And they're like, wait, is this it right now? Are
we too late? I said, no, these are the conference tournaments.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was like, so when my dad was young, we
would always try to sneak off in school to try
to turn on a TV and we try to watch
the games that were onto the conference tournaments to prepare
to pick our teams for the brackets, and just seeing
like their excitement and kind of understanding of how this works,
Like wait a minute, should they be in school and
you're trying to explain it all to them, and as
like a young kid, it's hard for them to understand
exactly how the soul works, but there is like a
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sense of just a different feel and excitement about it.
And I'm not sure if you expanded to make it
even longer, if that would work or not, because with
all these conference tournaments, it's like, I mean, how long
are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Like if you go to seventy six or whatever it
pick your number ninety two. Who knows it probably provides
more inclusiveness. It probably creates more of an opportunity for
these teams where all right.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
My how is not even going to be debated that
they should be in or not.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And you get the room for those blue bloods that
play a tough conference and played a tough schedule, and
they can still be a part of it too, but
you got to draw the line somewhere. And then even
more so than that, you keep watering down and diminishing
the conference tournaments like.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Those are eventually gonna go away.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We talked about in college football conference championship games is
gonna go away?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, if they're gonna expand the playoff in college football, yeah,
you're probably right.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And if you expand March madness in this tournament, those
conference champions are they're meaningless because all you're trying to
do is create and what an that large bid for
whoever wins that conference tournament? When and when in reality
you've got ninety some teams or seventy six teams whatever
they're gonna expand to. So I can see the argument
for both sides. Just that would make for such a
long season.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
By the way, to your point is well well stated,
because that really conference tournament week really was the crash
course to try and get ready for the tournament.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, I trust me,
I'll think that right now.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's like you're watching teams and players and games that
you would have never watched all regular season. But I
can remember, you know, Greensboro, that was the site of
the ACC Championship, the Big East Tournament, always at Madison
Square Garden. There was those places that you would watch
and you would just you would start to get familiar
with all of these teams so that at least you
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had some sort of an understanding of what you were
getting when you go on. And even now, look, it
doesn't feel quite the same. It's still fun. It's still
exciting because you've got basketball on, you know early throughout
the course of the day, you can get mattin a
action and all that, and you know the Big Ten
Tourney's going on in Chicago. But yeah, back it was
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really the Hey, I haven't really studied for this test.
Anybody got anything for me? Yeah, watch these games and
then you would just go there, you'd fill out your
bracket and then ultimately you just you know, end up
wiping your ass with it, you know, on day two,
Like that's that's usually that went for me. But it's a.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Hey, it's crazy that things haven't changed for you, Like,
at no.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Point in your life have you been good at or
picking games or whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
To call it. I will say this because I grew
up I was I rooted for Duke, you know, really
went on on a limb there. College basketball wise, I
rooted for Duke.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You might be the biggest front running fan I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Of my life. That's not true that a percent I
grew up a cub still cancels out everything else.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No, it doesn't, because you also have rooted for the Celtics,
the Penguins. You're now saying Duke in college basketball, you
really didn't have a college football team.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You'd say South.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Carolina because you spent some time there for a little bit.
You root it for the Bears back when they won
an eighty five. I just outside of baseball, Hold lot,
hold on a second. A lot of that was I
was born into. It's not like I chose.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Do you think. Do you think when the White Sox
were winning the World Series and five, I was thinking
to myself, Yeah, but f them, I'm so glad I
picked the team the other team in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
How old were you in five, I'm talking about your childhood. Well, look,
you were a child in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Okay. Now, the reason I liked Duke is because I
loved Bobby Hurley and I loved and I can still
remember that you.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Took shots of Bobby Estra for you know, being Canda's
head coach.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He had he had an okay run. But you know,
when you were in the same state as Arizona and
Arizona basketball is what it is. Arizona State's always going
to play second fiddle to them. It just that is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
But yeah, some people who are UNC fans would say
that about due.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You know, just now, come on, let's not get cared to.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
When I was growing up, wake Forest was a bigger
piece of that conversation Wake Force with Chris Paul and Tim.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Duncan like that. That was a completely different.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Point also, and people forget Maryland had some really good
teams with Gary Williams back in the day.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What happened. By the way, I love buzz Buzz.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Williams is one of my favorite coaches of all time.
But I mean, he'll get a second year, I would assume.
But it's like, man, that was a that was a
rough season. Yeah, acc was sweet back in the day.
That was a really really good conference and really good
basketball and then you know, but but things have changed.
But the point is I was usually good at the
NCAA tournament brackets, I would just ride Duke.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
The whole way and they would usually make a deep run.
But yeah, it sucks, man. That's all right, You're gonna
get it this week. I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh no, I.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Will finish in first place on this show when we
do our bracket challenge, and that's stuff knocks loucks.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
All right, let's just go through the history here, folks.
I know we're up against the Lorna.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I will get to this, But in recent history, and
I want to say recentness, in like three years ago,
Jonas didn't even submit one half of the side of
his bracket, so he basically only filled out half the bracket,
couldn't figure out how to save it, and then unfortunately
had to sit there and talk about why he was
not a part of the bracket challenge because he only
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filled half the bracket out. That was a network of
the how many years we've worked together eleven years now
a long time. Okay, of those eleven years, you have
not had a team that you picked to win it. Actually,
you have had maybe maybe two final four teams twice,
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and you've never had more than fifty percent of your
team's at best make it to the sweet sixteen. Okay,
you have been by far the worst picker of March
madness I have ever been around.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, well, I did win the Fox Sports Radio Bracket
Challenge back in twenty fifteen, because that was a year
that Duke won. Okay, so that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's not a.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Fact, and I did have I don't think we're working
together then, so but I'm just pointing out I do
have a history of success here. It was a long
time ago, but it's almost like I'm Mike Tomlin. You
know I did win early on. You just want to
point out all the shortcomings recently, and I think that's
a negative approach. I'd also say this Brady has this
thing where he waits until my bracket is all filled out,
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and then he goes in and fills out his so
he can cancel out some of my picks, all right,
so that you have the story, just.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So people understand the process.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You have to log on fill out a bracket before
you can actually look at anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Else, and they just look at other people.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
And they make it easy.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
What you said is literally just lie. You just lied on.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Live, and they make it easy. Here, okay. And the
year that I forgot to fill out half the bracket,
that was a network air Okay, that was an air
a Wi Fi glitch. I had nothing to do with
the Wi Fi glitch. I had nothing to do with that. So,
but the fun we'll start coming up on Mondays. We
will have the the brackets and we'll be able to
pick and choose and run our mouths and have a
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In case you missed it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
So, the Tennessee Titans have been struggling, not just on
the field, but the Tennessee Titans have been struggling from
a fashion and style standpoint. I've said that the Titans uniforms.
I think we actually did this. We were talking about
this last year, I believe, in which we were trying
to name which teams do you just feel like are
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hopeless just from a look and a vibe and a feel.
And look, I know our friends listening on the zone
right now. This is not a shot at you, but
the jerseys and uniforms they get rolled out, they're off.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Get it.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Well, the Titans have now unveiled their new uniforms and
it's basically the old Houston oilers with a tea on
the helmet. All right, So they're part way there, all right,
they've they've they've now gone back, gone back to the
well no pun intended, and said, all right, we've got
to we've got to change some things up. Robert Salas there,
they did spend a lot of money. They've they have
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upgraded there, Brian Dave Balls, the offensive coordinator, But the
Tennessee Titans have now updated their unis and gone back
to the old baby blue Houston oilers look with a
T on the side of the helmet.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think it was great.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I mean, we're never gonna get the Houston oilerst because
they're not in Houston anymore. Jonas, but I do think
this is a step, you know, as far as they're
going to go in that direction. And it looks great
for this I how do you think? What do you
think cam Ward looks like?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Year two? Was he as bad as people tried to
make it out, because it doesn't know away?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
No, And I think he was put in a really
tough spot because you know, they pushed him to be
in a position where he had to make up for
a lot of things around him, and so there was
some incredible plays and there are some tough rookie moments.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
But I think he's going to take a big step
in year two. I think this team is gonna be
much improved in year two.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
So the hard thing is is I both Houston and
Jacksonville are really good in the division, and we'll see
where Indy's at. They just have so much ground to
make up in the division that can stunt whatever that
growth looks like.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Now, are they another team that if this doesn't work
in year two, they're on the clock, all right, look
next year and and try and take swing at a QB.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Or I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I think Cam's pretty darn good, But you never know, man,
especially new head coach, all new people involved.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, and they got new unis. Congratulations, you're almost there,
they're almost there.