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On this Wednesday edition of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington recap the NBA Playoffs with the Spurs taking a lead over the Timberwolves yesterday. Plus, the guys discuss the NFLPA comments on NFL grass surfaces in light of the way FIFA players go about field usage, we have a PGA edition of ICYMI, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here. Coming up on this Wednesday edition, We've got
the usuals we got in case you missed it. Petros
Papadega stops by our midweek Awards and we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Have the leftovers.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We're also going to run the gamut here all sorts
of conversation. There's going to be stuff about Victor Wembin
Yama and his shoes. There's going to be stuff about
the PGA Tour, welcoming in live golfers. We're going to
talk about an awful call in Little League Baseball. We've
got the very latest when it comes to SEC coaches

(00:33):
fighting each other. And then we're going to have a
random conversation where in the same Jordan versus Lebron argument,
we're going to talk about everything from t Rex to Wemby.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
All of it is yours.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Coming up next here, It's two Pros and a Cup
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Speaker 3 (01:46):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Get fired out? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I wonder if you could go water skiing or surfing,
jets snoting or skiing down a mountain on the side
of a you know, yeah, well that's kind of dropping
into the water. But I just wonder if you could

(02:10):
use Victor winbin Yama's you know, sneakers to do one
of those outdoor activities, right, Like you remember how the
guy got disqualified or whatever because something was wrong with
his boot, you know, on his skis or something like that. Well,
you don't even need a ski if you have Victor

(02:31):
win bin Yama size boots, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I don't know which size shoe he wears, would.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
You it's probably called win bin Yama. Yeah, yeah, it's
probably probably doesn't have a size. It's probably gone. Although
the guy Taco, I think Taco has the long longest foot.
I think he's even taller than Victor winbin Yama. I think, oh,
twenty and a half for Victor women. Ya oh, they
still have a number. Yeah, just twenty and a half. Dang, hey,

(03:00):
do you understand how long of a foot that is?
It's not a foot that's a yacht. Guy's walking around
on yacht. Taco's got a twenty twenty two. Geez uh,
I'm not even going to say doude? I mean, do

(03:21):
they have like?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Never mind? Never mind? Do you know how many inches
that these equivalents? Whoa you? Would you would jump in
there and stay?

Speaker 5 (03:32):
You were thinking that you.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Can't help it?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Man, you're trying to do a professional broadcast here.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know, I need I need to know Lorena shows.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
You know you haven't known your entire life until this point,
have you?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Lorena? I didn't even know his shoe size? That big
existence exactly that's like how tall you are.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
If you laid on your back and he put his
foot on you, that's his foot.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You're his sandal.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
A huge bitch you hold on to his foot, you're
his flip flop.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Fourteen inches fourteen what that's overall? Man?

Speaker 7 (04:19):
You know that.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
They're tough to be when he plays how he did
last night and just everything runs through him.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know, it's just it's you.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
Gotta double him if you try to double them, whether
it's Fox or whoever else. I mean, they've got so
many shooters that team's gonna be tough to beat if
he plays how he did last night every time.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
You know, they they have a saying in the Bible.
Well maybe it's not in the Bible. It's just like
kind of like a Christian saying. They say, you know,
trusting trusting God because you know the enemies that you
have their their arms are too short to box with God.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know, they say it's just his arms is too short.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
If I was a Spurs fan, I'd say, you know,
trust in winbin Yama because your your arms are too
short to box with wm bin Yama. Yeah, what are
you gonna do with that? You're you're just gonna watch.
You're gonna watch like we're watching. We're watching an I
don't want to say undoing, just unfulfilled promise in Anthony

(05:26):
Edwards and there's nothing he can do about it, and
there's nothing the Timberwolves can do about it. Victor winbin
Yama is a superior basketball player with a fine young
team of supporting cast guys, and you'd have to assume,
outside of any catastrophic happening taking place with Victor winbin Yama,

(05:51):
this is this is what you're going to see. It's
it's just it's he's going to be a dominant He's
going to be a dominant player. It's just weird. I
just don't understand it though it doesn't seem like he
should be. I keep finding myself saying, I just don't
understand how he's.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Able to do what he does.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Like, but I was saying not about Jokic too, Like
I don't understand how Jokic does everything that is it's
a difference.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's a difference. There's a difference you have.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
There's comps to Jokic s to where you could say, well,
he's got a little Larry Bird, he's got a little
bit like we've seen the European side.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
He just doesn't seem like he moves.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
He's like Jason that that's the best one cares, and
he doesn't seem like he cares.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's a good one too.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
He's like Jason, I'm telling you, putt put the hockey
mask on his face. And he just shows up there
he is Boom, there's there's an assist.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
He shows up.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Boom, there's a jumper, Boom, he shows up there, there's
a dunk. Like I don't ever really see him run.
I don't see him, dude anything, but you look and
it's like he's got twenty four points and fifteen rebounds
and nine assists, like tennisis like Victor winbin Yama is

(07:05):
Like I said, it's even more like head scratching.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
What he does. Like the way he shoots is it's
it's a nice it's it's.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
A really you can tell he's a pure shooter, the
way he handles the ball, the way he distributes the ball,
the way he can get to the rim. Like I
don't know, man, it's just it's just and there's only
one of them. Like imagine if they're like if now
this becomes there are others. Yeah, because we were talking

(07:36):
about how you said there's alience.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Sofiles he was sitting it out of the water like yeah,
tictac UFOs, you got uh.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
And they literally dropma off. Oh yeah, just like hate,
Like let's see if they can handle one. Hey, go
make some money for like twelve fifteen years and uh
and come on back.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I mean they show his parents and they don't look
like they should be as parents. So I don't know
that he's from here. Man, y'all want to create a
conspiracy theory, let's create that one today. Victor wimbin Yama
has been strategically placed in a foster home of two

(08:22):
people that they felt were worthy and able of handling
the duty of introducing the world's first known alien to
the world, Victor winbin Yama, the winmbin Yamas.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's a you know, Mitch Johnson, their head coach, I
kind of feel for the guys. So here he was postgame,
Spurs head coach talking about what he's noticed about wembin
Yama in the last forty eight hours, and you're gonna
you're also gonna pick up on something about Mitch Johnson
and I have an explanation for it afterwards.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
You know one thing, I word I'd like to use
just to mature. I think there was a lot that's
happened in the last forty eight hours in the last game,
and I think how that young man came out tonight
and played in a variety of ways in a variety situations,
not just in terms of his production, was extremely mature.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
That guy has to yell up at his best player
for two and a half hours a game, eighty plus
times a year, and that's.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Why his voice is red.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
He's not for long, dude, Like I'm telling you, he's
getting up like the lead singer of Aerosmith, who's got
to have his throat like redone four times because he
screams on stage all the time. That guy's gonna get
worn out in a hurry. I mean, he is horsed.
He is trying to figure out what he can do
to try and provide any sort of input. As they
go up three to two, it just feels like it's

(09:50):
a foregone conclusion and everybody's just waiting around saying, all right, well,
get them to the Western Conference finals. Let's see what happened.
They've got wemby do they have the depth to compete
with Oklahoma City. I want to see that one. I
think it's gonna be. That's basically the NBA Finals. I
don't think the Knicks have I think the Knicks maybe
have a better shot against the Spurs than they do. Okay, see,

(10:13):
but I look at it and I go, I just
I don't know what the solution is for that. And
if you're Minnesota, be thankful that you got him inject
in one game and got to win out of that,
and just hope you can push it to game seven
because it would be fun for everybody. I don't know
the answer to how they solve that problem. It just
feels like that's an issue and there is no solution

(10:33):
to it at this point. For Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
There's just too much, too much supporting power, you know.
De Aaron fox Is he's a quality basketball player.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean he is.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
He is really really good. Stefan Castle, He's really really good.
Those three right there, Like you can go into like
some of the other ones, like how you you have
you have Barns as as you know as a veteran

(11:07):
who's not crazy old to begin with, but he's been
around a long time. He's won championships. They have leadership there,
some maturity, but it's just a it's a very it's
a very well built roster for what you would expect
from a San Antonio Spurs team.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I I.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Do look at Oklahoma and and I do say the
way SGA is playing, it is gonna be hard for them,
the way chat Holgern is playing, because Chet's almost playing
like he's the franchise player right now too. So you
got two guys that's playing at a franchise level. I
will say, you don't have two players playing at I
am the franchise of the team level on Spurs. But

(11:51):
with that being said, the way that Victor Winbinyama played
last night, that that could equate to the caliber of
two franchise players on one team. So I don't know,
it's going to be interesting to see how it all
plays out.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
I mean, okay, see and I think most teams, and
I think if it's funny if you look at both sides,
whether it's the Knicks now in the East or looking
at the Spurs in the West, they're just different, unique
matchups and some of that's the personnel, right Sometimes Jalen Brunson,
his style of play with combined with what the Knicks
have on their roster, but also wimbn Yama and then

(12:29):
kind of what they've provided.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Out around him, they're just a tough matchup.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
And Okay, see struggled versus san Antonio in the regular
season and including the NBA Cup. I think san Antonio
went with three and one during that time, so.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
With Alkey, Victor winm Binyama, I believe, I think.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
He returned for one of them, and by the way,
and I think it was four and one.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
But when you look at that matchup, like if we're
getting this version of Wimby, I don't know anyone who
can match up with him.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
He's just such a uniquely talented player.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
And obviously the size plays an element as well, but
the supporting cast does too.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
So I just I look at even the matchup past
this series.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Assuming san Antonio wins Game six and moves on, I mean, okay,
so he has to work cut out for him. We've
heard people talk, whether it's the guys on tn T
or noone else, it's like this this player is different,
man Like he's the type of guy that's so uniquely talented.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
With his size that it's just it's gonna be hard
to stop.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
And San Antonio is one of those organizations that they
can continue to keep building around him.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
They're gonna be tough to beat.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
They can be that team that has, assuming whenb he
stays healthy, a run for years to come.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
I like the way the narrative is setting up, though,
because it's like you have a team that is on
the rise. You have a team that is the current
reigning and they are proving out to be building upon
being the current reigning. If I'm okay, see, I'm ready
to make a statement like let's bring this let's bring

(14:08):
this thing back down to earth.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Also, don't you think it's good for the league because
this could develop into a rivalry. Yeah, the Olahoma Texas
rivalry is a real thing, and you got a little
bit of that in the NBA. And so I wonder
if they look at this and go, man, this is
a real opportunity. This could be the first time we
see these teams match up in a way to where
you're like, hey, there's a real chance this could go

(14:31):
the way of the Spurs.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And so I look at it.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I go, if you're the NBA, you got to capitalize
on that man like they Victor Webman, Yama should be
featured in primetime as many times as humanly possible, like
showcase that, because gone are the days where you could
look at Steph Curry and go, oh, I could do that.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Let me go shoot from a half court.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well you can't do that, okay, because you're not one
hundred feet tall and you can't dribble and shoot and
play defense the way he can show case him. And
I say this in the kindest way possible. Guy's a
freak show and he should be showcased as such. And
we're gonna get to see it, you know, if they
advanced past this series and him and Chad Holmgren are

(15:12):
gonna battle it out.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I wonder what he was when he was born, Like,
what was he what was his size, his length and
all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
To provide like hope for people out there where they're like, hen,
my son was big.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
It's like, no, not big like this kid.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
I just don't what percentile was he when he came out?
What was this baby charge like when he came out,
what were y'all weighing him or what was y'all measuring
him while he was still.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
In the wound.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Like, you know, we think this is an airplane. We
can't we can't land. I mean, but if you want
to try to have this natural, that's on you. But
I suggest that we we schedule a C section for
months month four, because if we make it past month five,
you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Because by the time we get to the feet, it
will be nine months. It's gonna take him at a time.
It's like, what's that, bab That's just Victor's foot, his.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Hand, you know, he it's just uh, he felt like
making an entrance with the hand or the foot.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
We got three more months to go, but you know,
he's got no space. I just don't understand.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I just hope he's not a finger coming out of
your hair talking about it.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Alien.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I just hope he lasts. I hope I hope that
he that he stays healthy and lasts for for a
long amount of time, because look, Yao Ming was a
great player, like Yao Ming was a guy who actually
gave Shack problems to where he was one of the
guys that could match up physicality wise, but his you know,
he went, he got his foot surgically repaired, and he
was just never the same player like he just his

(16:48):
He didn't have the duration or the length of career
that a lot of people would have hoped he would have.
And I just hope webbin Yama stays healthy. And you know,
we're looking.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
At a crazy thing about wim bin Yama is his
Probably his comps are Kevin Durant and and uh Johannis.
Those are probably the closest comps to him.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Not not a shack, not a not a Yao Ming.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Those are real big men. Victor wimbin Yama is not
a big man Karl Anthony Towns. He's a big man
that doesn't think he's a big man, but he's a
big man. Victor winbin Yama is a skilled player that's
just in a big man's body, but he doesn't move
like a big man. I just and and it's crazy

(17:40):
because he was giving go Bear the bees wax. I
mean hitting with some Tim Duncan some some some hakem
makeem the dream moves on on, Hey broh. But he
can play you like a big man. It's just weird,
that's all I can say. It's just it's just weird.

(18:02):
The way he looks the way it all comes together,
the way it makes it looks so easy. It's just
it's just weird. Good luck. Sorry, Anthony, you've been out
Trump for headlines. It used to be a you know,
ant needs some help ant Man, ant Man love ant Man.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Nothing not this year.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Hey, I still love him. I mean, it's just at
the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
You're Dominique Wilkins. I love Nick. I love me some Nick.
That's a great player, man, I love me some Nike.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
He just dunker.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
He just could not get it off of MJ long
enough for it to be all about him.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well, he had spud Web. That's fair. I mean, I
mean that's fair.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I mean, listen, go ahead, Jones, take your shot to
spud web God.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Like you know, we're talking to Victor Webbman Yama.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
The guy's a silo at the jump shot Doniques Dominiques,
you know, co host in the battle to try and
win an NBA title.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Was a direct TV remote. Like what is he supposed
to do?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's just like he's undermanned literally against Jordan and Bird
and all the And by the way, Dominique Wilkins known
for a dunker. Look at his numbers, man, I think
he was he was the schools he was a scorel's career. Yes,
he is a score he was a score love Dominique.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
By the way, Is that all you want to say
on spead web by the way.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Before I listen? I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Uh, we don't need to get in the weeds here,
because I did think this was important to point out
because everybody's you know, waxing poetically about Victor Webman Yama.
He's no match for Jayson Orlando Rodriguez Hernandez. Oh wow,
from Venezuela, who holds the record for the largest feet
on a living person, the shoe size of approximately twenty

(19:52):
six Oh wow, yeah, Lorena, are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (19:56):
How many inches is that?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm showing forty and a half centimeters, which equals just
under sixteen inches for his feet, That son of a
big Loreno?

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Can you handle that? You know it's a big foot size.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I will tell you, I don't know if I have
enough closet space for that. How many shoes could you
fit in a closet with that?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I don't know how many you would have to tell
us I have a size six ft.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
I don't know you have a size six.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, oh petite, Well you could.

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Speaker 2 (20:49):
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Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like, what do you do? Put it on the bottom
of a sneaker? Put two together?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, yeah, put that match is on the bottom of
a sneaker, and you got when you deliver.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Them a w w what kind of shoes are those?
You deliver my mattress firms? Hey, Wenby, here's a boxing
ring to sleep in. It's like, what do you what
do you do? Well?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Great player? And by me and this is the kindest
way possible, great player. It's just never see anything like
it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's just makes sense.
And he's getting better, he's getting better, and he's violent.
It's a yeah, that's the maturity.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
When he hit that man with that that elbow and
threw it and it landed. It unlocked something in him
and unlocked that that animal inside of him. It's it's
it's released now now it's not nice. Young sweet Victor
wimbin Yama.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Can't get that from Claude. I tell you that that's
a real He couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I couldn't do it. Now, come make it now, can't
do it? Claude chat gpt' you're a groupie bro, You're
a groupy groopy for what for?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
For Claude? You said AI, Yeah, I did say A. Yeah,
that's wrong. That did Victor Winmbinyam.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Is a he is yeah, he is great player. It
is two pros and a cup of Joe.

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hot dog for three bucks, you can. You want to
get a beer for nine bucks or eleven bucks, whatever
it is, you can. So he's doing his part, But
the other complaint that is out there is the fact
that you got all these NFL stadiums and because the

(24:50):
World Cup's come into town, they're just going to roll
in the natural grass, all right, all those artificial turf
stadiums that players in the NFL have been complaining about
for you years and talking about for years and citing
injury concerns and everything to go along with it, that's
become an issue. So the NFLPA executive director J. C.

(25:10):
Tredder was on Cam Hayward's podcast and he talked about
the grass field issue as it pertains to the players.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Well aren't they also sometimes the owners are bringing in
grass for like soccer and not for their own players.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
So how do you go about that because that seems
really off. Why wouldn't you want to protect your investment
on that?

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Right?

Speaker 11 (25:27):
You look at FIFA, they'll roll out, rolling out the
ground green carpet for soccer players and that's become the
normal where over in you know, the European leagues, like
that is what you do.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You play on grass.

Speaker 11 (25:40):
They have surface standards that each thing is rolled out,
it's exactly how it's supposed to be, and those players
will not play if it's not that and they you know,
I think they came out to a practice in the
DC area and they went out just to like a
practice field, and they said, this isn't good enough.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
We're not pricsis yet.

Speaker 11 (25:55):
And that's what the players decided. They are very particular.
I know there are some for the high level players
that's in their contract, like if it's turf, I ain't
playing on them. And that's how they take a stand.
And I think this is something that's really important to guys.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
So is that going to.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Okay, let's just understand though, who pays for it? That's
what it ultimately comes down to. Because when the nfl
PA tries to make this.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, you guys are our owners, and you don't. You don't.
You don't want to pay for this. Sick We'll hold
on for a second.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Okay, Now, there's local and state government funding that.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Helps the owners pay for this.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
The owners are obviously, by hosting World Cup games, receiving
a ton of money to help pay for this, and
that's ultimately what this is about. This is business. I
mean there's even federal funding that goes to this. Now
it might not go directly to the grass, but it
helps the bottom line for those owners who are hosting
World Cup games. So as much as players want to

(26:55):
complain about it at the NFL, the reality is the
owners are willing to pay for it because they're making
so much off these games they can afford to do it.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
And I also would would say.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
This, I don't know that you know soccer fields get
torn up the same way football fields do You know?
The trenches that are moving between the hashes get torn
up in a significant way. And look, I think we're
all smart enough that someone can figure out a solution
for that. You know, some of these hybrid bunds and
stuff they can do, or how they can roll in
new turf, but there's an expense that comes with that.

(27:33):
And much like the FIFA standards, which is their decision
to only let their players play on grass turf, the
NFL PA should have a standard too. But if they
want that standard, they have to negotiate for it. So
they've got to work within their CBA and against the

(27:55):
NFL owners. And we talk about this every time there's
some issue that the NFL players have to give something
up in order to get something that they want.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
And I just don't know what players are.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
Gonna honestly say, hey, I'm willing, or at least collectively,
as the vast majority of the group see, I'm willing
to give up X in order to get grass fields.
There might be a good amount of guys, but if
some way, shape or form, if that hits their bank account,
or if that hits their retirement or something else where,

(28:30):
funds are being diverted out of that for grass fields,
I don't know that many players would would then want
to be for it.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I think it's a pretty clear cut situation, don't I don't.
I don't feel as though I need to rehash it.
I mean, I think I think Q's covered it. I
grew up playing on grass fields. I was fortunate enough
to play on grass surfaces my entire career so well,

(29:04):
except for I don't know, if I played in New York,
I wouldn't call that playing, so I think that was
phild turf. But anyway, I mean I played on on
on grass and high school, agricultural school at Penn State.
It's you know, surfaces are always going to be a conversation.
I mean, you gotta think I come from a day

(29:24):
and age when it was astro turf. I played on
astro turf before three River Stadium was astro turf.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I played in the vet. Their turf was crazy bad.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
So I played on some really really messed up surfaces.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
What was under the astro turf concrete? But there was
there like any sort of a patting or was it
just straight grass into concrete?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't remember, but it was.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
It was a very it was it was it was
considered to be a very very fast surface because there
was no like you know, it's it was on a
hard surface and it wasn't like very It was like
running on a carpet. It's like running on a carpet.
I don't know what was underneath, but I think there's concrete.

(30:11):
There's concrete there. I know that, but I don't know
what if there was a layer between the turf and
the concrete, it didn't.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Feel like it.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
And then so not only is the landing hard, but
then you get a scuff up your elbows.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Oh when you land that's like like just think of
like sparking a match.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
I mean it's a bit aggressive.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
No, it's not that could that could be a little
bit uh, that could be a little bit understated.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
That's that's why you put Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
You right?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Where were with me? That's why you had They started.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
You start seeing people put like the strips and they
would take it all the way from their wrists all
the way up to like where their shoulder was.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
But there would be times to where they would if
they would already get the burn, and then they put
the tape on afterwards.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
You see the coming through tape.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Oh hey, bro like sandpaper, it's probably that's a better
which I guess. That's like a strike strip for a match.
It is like like an attacky type surface. It just
felt really bad, man, It felt really bad falling on
astro turf.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
But you were fast, Yeah, you were. You were faster.
You were fast as hell.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
To answer your question, Johnny's, it was usually just concrete.
It was usually however they applied it. There was an
element of padding underneath. But it wasn't crapy man. It
wasn't like it was it was that soft or anything.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
But but that was because I played in the Carrier Dome,
so that was obviously inside outside. I remember we played
in Boston College when I was in college. I don't
know what it was under that it could have just
been some layer of like gravel and whatever else they
put on it, But it has to be something flat
because otherwise, you know, the way that carbon would.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Sit, it wouldn't be even right.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
But either, I think, I think, I think sometimes there's
a misconception though too, when we talk about turf versus
natural turf. Some of the data is kind of conflicting.
Because the NFLPA has tracked this, there's been a lot
of studies on this. No one's gonna argue that artificial
turf isn't a faster surface, which I think are our

(32:20):
brains lead to this thought that knowing if it's faster,
it must be harder on us. And I think most
players would admit you do feel more sore, like your
joints and everything else after playing on turf probably than grass.
But and Lamar, maybe you disagree with this.

Speaker 12 (32:35):
I always felt like, like bad grass, it's actually it's
it was worse to play on, Like you could play
on some really bad services where whether it was too
slick or too hard or whatever else.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
I mean, if you couldn't heat the things so it
wasn't frozen. I just there's times too when if it's
not well maintained turf. Give me, give me field turf,
Give me somethimes at least more consistent, because I at
least I know what I'm dealing with.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
The big house.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah yeah, their turf was too soft like and it
just came up like you like, And that was scary
because if you're anchoring to deal with these big ass
linemen that that the other team has, that that Michigan has,
you're trying to anchor and literally chunks of grass are

(33:23):
coming up. I remember grabbing up like just throwing it
like it's punk ass field. I hated it, and I
think they've since corrected it. Maybe I don't know, but
I guess because of how deep it's fieldterf. Now it's fieldterf. Okay,
Well yeah, I mean it was horrible. You'd be down

(33:44):
there and and and I mean back then. I don't
know if they still do this now, but you know,
you try out your shoes and every single well I
won't only played there once, but I put I put
those extra long cleats in, like extra lone. I think
they were legal, honestly, I think they were. I mean

(34:07):
they were.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
They look like like the one inchest.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Is that what they were yeah, hell yeah, we used
to have that's screwings.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah they were.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
That was the thing.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
That's the thing I never understood too with guys. We'd
go to a place and they'd be like, hey man,
the turf's bad. Put in the put in those long spikes,
putting the screwings, and you see which by the way
I mean those things were. I think they were like
metal tip too right, They wouldn't wear it down.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
I just love how there'd be guys who'd go out
for warm ups like they didn't want to believe everyone
telling them that the turf was crap, and so you'd
see them be like, oh man, now I got to
change my cleats and our poor equipment.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
There'd be like a line of thirty guys and maybe
only ten of them are actually playing.

Speaker 13 (34:48):
They're they're trying to screw these things off, getting the
new ones on, all that like all before like a game,
and you're just like, dude, come on, like trust them
next time, they just put on the long spice first,
and that way we don't have to worry about this.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
It looked like a NASCAR a NASCAR pit stop when
you see guys like oh man, like they're slipping.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
We're slipping. You see them more.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
And there was like a special wrench you would use
to unscrew them.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, that's high school. That's an amateur hour.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
That's what I was like. We had like spider in
them had like a drill.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
You had a drill gun going.

Speaker 14 (35:28):
Did you just hear what that doesn't you went? There
would be two drills going. They in and out, came
back in, getting back in.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, that's a real that was a real drill. Dudes
would go out and be like you can. Like pre game,
you'd be like you can, you can make it with
these And then when you start going full throttle and
you go and you see you start seeing streaks all
over the play because guys is spinning out when they're

(36:03):
trying to plant and go. Whether it's the receivers, whether
it's the corners, whether it's the pass rushers, whether it's
the backs. You just start seeing all of these skin
marks on the field. Next thing you know, like you said,
you see this mad dad, they just be on their knees.
You just see screwings just just flying all over the place.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Just just just up in the air, like get him
out of here. I remember the sound of it.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
If I recall correctly, it was five and five and two,
you can hear it.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And then the bottoms five and.

Speaker 14 (36:44):
Two, five and two, I think I think it's five
and two.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
The hill had two out of there.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Get him back in there, get them out of there.
But yeah, man, surfaces do matter. Surfaces do matter, and
they do have different impacts and different effects on your body.
And then you take into consideration, like the conversations we
were having at length about now, and you're taking the
consideration the technology of the shoes that these guys are wearing.

(37:21):
How does it all play, because it all plays apart.
It all plays a part in what the health of
that player is. You know, whether they're dealing with foot issues,
whether they tear out an achille pop an achilles tendon.
Now you're talking about the wear and tear on the joints.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
The wrong move. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
As fast as that astro turf was and some of
these different artificial surfaces, you take a wrong step, or
you get going too fast in a different direction. Sometimes
your foot gets caught. That's a ligament. It's a ligament
out of the Sometimes like sometimes you're just going so
fast you try to change directions, it's out of there,

(38:06):
like ligament is gone, So I don't know. Mad's like
it's a lot of different elements connected to surfaces, and
it's not just the obvious of you know, if you
fall on it as a cushion, does it feel good
or whatever, and different things like that. Like there's a
lot of to me, I think there's a lot of
health concerns that's connected to it.

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Speaker 2 (39:15):
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Speaker 7 (39:43):
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Speaker 2 (39:51):
You missed it, guys, in case you missed this, there's
a little event going on this weekend. It's called the
PGA Champion. It's a big golf event. It's one of
their big majors. It's taking place in Newton Square, PA,
at a place called a ron A MinC golf Club
or golf course whatever they're referring to it as.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
That must be the eastern side of the state. I mean,
we don't get that exotic, you don't think so, No,
we do like.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
White Oak mun Haul. We don't do stuff you can't pronounce. Well.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
John Rahm, who is one of the more notable names
who left the PGA Tour for Live Golf, was talking
with the media yesterday and was asked a very specific
question about his time with Live now being partaking in
another major for the PGA Champion for the PGA Tour
and had.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
This to say, John, going back to Shane's question, you said,
you don't, you know, look back and think about what
you could have done differently, but you do learn. So
what did you learn from the decision to go to
Live What have you learned since making that decision?

Speaker 5 (41:00):
And that is for me to know. And that's about that.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Okay, So that didn't go well yesterday for that reporter
and John rom not wanting to hear the questions.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I have noticed this.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Rory McElroy has softened his stance a little.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Bit on the live golfers.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
He did, you know recently say, you know, I think
I was a little bit too judgmental. Bringing these guys
back to be on the tour is just great business.
So it does feel like, Brady, we are going to
get maybe some harmony, a little bit of peace, and
we can all golf together again without anybody judging anybody
for decisions they made to try and make a little
bit more cash.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
Well, look, I think that's the goal of any professional
sports league. You know, you'd like to be able to
kind of have the best against the best, and the
live towards took some of those guys away for a
period of time. But it feels like, you know, look,
there's an understanding I think for more of the guys
the top.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
It's the guys on the back.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
End of the PGA tour who are, you know, either
playing in alternate events or struggling to make it. In general,
they're the ones that are frustrated by it because they're
the ones that are ultimately impacted by the fact that
these guys just went for a money grab and meanwhile
these other guys over here grinding and having a hard
time making it, and so they don't want it to
be that easy for them to get back or even
for that matter, let him back at all.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
At least that's their stance, by the way.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
On DraftKings, John Rahm third shortest odds fourteen.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
To one to win.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Just above him, Roy McElroy and Scottie Scheffler, the defending champ.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
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