October 25, 2022 • 36 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Justin Fields has his best day as a pro, leading the Bears over the Pats on MNF. Meanwhile, Mac Jones gets Zappe’d and might be looking for greener pastures. Colts also move on from their starter, Matt Ryan, in exchange for Sam Ehlinger, but is it “Suck for Luck” all over again? Plus, the Jets keep themselves in the hunt with a trade for RB James Robinson after losing Breece Hall for the season.
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the way tire buying should be so um the mac
Jones honeymoon in New England, as the warden of Shawshank
Redemption once said, man up and vanished like a fart
in the wind. You can go hold on for a second,
Hold on for a second. Are we really buying into
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that narrative so quick? It's not like zapping the second half? Great?
I great, And a lot of thing was to me
was you give him three series? The dudes coming off injury.
That's it. I hated how Bill Belichick handled the situation
last night. Zappy comes in and throws a go route.
Max Jones could have done that it was a better
player on the ball by Parker than it was a
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throw by Zappy, and then the Jacoby Myers passed it
was wide open. Yeah. I mean that's something that Mac
Joneses could have done as well. It didn't seem like
that was working out in the first couple of series.
So we make a big deal because Zappy comes in
plays well. Yet how the second half look? Yeah, it's
not a not a great situation. You talk about cutthroat
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man that Pelichick doesn't care. So, I mean that was
the question I was gonna ask you guys right out
the gate, and you answered a Q because that's what
I was thinking to like, even even the second interception
that that Mac through the kid was open through one. Yeah,
Zappy was the first one that where the one I
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got tipped. Yeah, that first right right, it was It
just seemed like the ball was there, like he would
have been able to it would have been a completion,
had to d Lineman. I got his hand on the ball.
So I don't know, I didn't. I'm kind of I'm
on the fence in terms of are you bringing a
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different guy? Why did you bring in a different guy?
I don't know. The back story as to why you
you made the move so quickly. I wouldn't take Bill
Belichick as a coach that would panic. So it just
made me start wondering, is he handling the situation in
correctly or is there something more to why he's doing
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what he's doing. But you know, it was very Brian
Flores ish, you know, and you know that that's where
Brian Flores came from. And you know, I just wonder,
is that is that kind of how he you know,
is that the culture there, is that the environment there
that nobody's safe. I don't care if you're the quarterback
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or if you're the cornerback. If I feel like you're
not playing well, I'll make a move and I'll pull
you out. So I don't know that this is even
a long term thing where it's like, Okay, he you know,
he pulled Mac because Mac isn't the player. I just
think he pulled Mac because in that moment he felt
like Mac didn't get them the best opportunity to win.
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Which was crazy to think that that's happening against the
Chicago Bears and we had them looking pretty good last night.
I was just say, first off, give the Bears a
lot of credit. Jonas Knox bears, Uh if he could, Folks,
a round of applause for Jonas Knox Bears justin Fields
arguably maybe the best performance of his professional career. About it.
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He was making plays, you know, to call on Brisker. Baby,
he took a nuts shot. He still had an interception. Yeah,
right in the job. That's those penn stays. I'm gonna
test out that three this week in LaVar. I'm gonna
literally I'm gonna hit him. Were the nuts we're gonna sae.
He's still still be able to pick off the pass.
By the way, if you're wondering whether or not you
call Brisker was wearing a cup last night, you got
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your answer after a three quarter inch clead straight to
the balls, by the way, was dirty back. Yeah, I
know what he was doing. He was sticking his leg
up because he knew it helped protect him in case
Brisker dove. Instead, Brisker does the gentleman thing and doesn't
dive and trying to take a headshot at him, and
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instead he gets kicked in the nuts for it. Yeah.
It's terrible, terrible, all the way through and through. You
guys want to hear Bill Belichick explain the situation at
quarterback last night post game here we go? Here was
Bill Belichick happy to talk to the media. Of course,
as always at point in the week. Did did these
guys know at the beginning of the week that this
is the plan all week long? Or like, how did
it work out with reps at practice? We went through
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the week, so they were aware the situation that they
were going to split reps. We went through the week
of practice. Michael was an active last week. Was there
any consideration toward putting Mac Jones back into the game
as the game went on? Or was the decision to
stick with Bailey after the third series sort of sitting stone?
He would have gone back in the score got out
of hand, so I didn't think that was the right
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thing to do. Do you see a situation where you
might go one quarterback one week and one the next
and have kind of a platoon situation? Or are you
going to start one quarterback each week? Yeah? No, I
don't see that, Can I see you? A part of
that interview was that Mike McDaniel there the crowd, are
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you planning on running? And man, can I throw this
out there? Do you guys feel like this backfire to
Bill Belichick, Yes, I mean I think he ultimately was like,
oh yeah, Mac Jones was looking at gon put Zappi
in zapular great first one at six attempts, and then
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after that all fizzled out and eventually that got exposed.
And it's also the crowd was is you know pro
zappy once and they were booing mac Jones early, like
I mean, the boo birds came out, and it was like,
let him go somewhere else, let him go baugh out
somewhere else, and give the Pats fans what they think
they really what they deserve and for granted Tom Brady
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for about twenty years, and and also for the fact
that it's not like mac Jones, who, by the way,
was the best rookie quarterback last year and it wasn't
even close and had success. They went to the playoffs.
People forget that, and then what did he get this offseason?
Whatever the clown show was with the at offensive coordinator
where they wouldn't make it decay. We still don't know
who the offensive coordinator is. Do we have a clear answer? Okay,
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it is Ma Patricia, all right, I was Joe judge.
All right, so they can make that more clear faster
that that's all right. But point being, it was a disaster.
It was a disaster coming into the season and mac
Jones coming off an injury and what do they do.
He throws an interception and he's gone and just like that,
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he's out and okay, we're gonna put we were planning
on putting him back in. I don't buy that for
a second. I really don't. Even Troy Aikman was making
comments during the game like yeah, you know, uh, I
guess we'll see if mac Jones is coming back in,
because even Troy Aikman was probably looking around, going what
is the plan here? Like none? If it made any sense,
chefs are must have heard word, because chef to put
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out that that tweet before the game would be surprised
if both quarterbacks played tonight, So someone tipped him off
before the game that that was part of the plan. Now,
it seemed a little bit odd that it just so
happened to follow to three and out and interception by
mac Jones where the offense wasn't doing much, which I'll
say this, the offense wasn't doing much running the football either,
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and and that became apparent kind of throughout the course
of the night. I mean, Mac Jones was I think
leading them rushing at halftime, and that hasn't been the
case since Bailey Zappy has taken over. I don't think
has anything that with Zappy. It's just it's a matter
of he had more help during some of those, uh,
some of those weeks. Is it possible? And listening to
that us while it doesn't seem like you could get
anything out of what Belichick's response was to those questions,
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I kind of felt like I did, and him saying that,
you know, we went through the week and and if
you pay close attention, he says, you know, Mac Jones
wasn't playing a week ago or something to that effect,
like you know he wasn't playing, Like Mac just wasn't playing.
This was a knee injury, it's weight bearing injury. Is
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there just is there the possibility that that Belichick, which
I don't agree with the manner in which he took
Mac out. I don't, but it's not for me to
agree with the coach's decision. Is there the possibility that
Bill Belichick was like we went through the week, Mac
is fresh back, like this is his first first week back.
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He might not be ready to go within the You know,
I don't know to the level or to the degree
that I'm fully comfortable with leaving him in the game.
Was he saving Mac from himself? Because if it was
a matter of Mac playing bad, badly and poorly, and
that's why you put Zappienne, and then Zappy starts playing poorly,
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but you leave Zappienne, you didn't go back to Mac Jones.
So is it a possibility that he's sitting there saying like,
I don't have to tell you guys how healthy Mac is.
I'll take that. I'll take the brunt of it. Mac
is going to have to deal with the brunt of
of of him getting pulled. But I'm pulled him out
because of maybe possibly health reasons. He didn't look good
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warming up. They were showing some live shots of him moving,
and he's not the most athletic guy you know, neither
him nor Zappy for that matter. But it looked like
to me he was still moving gingerly on that at
that ankle, So I didn't think he was a hundred
percent just moving around from what I saw a pregame.
Maybe there's something to that, Yeah, I don't. I mean,
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who the hell knows? In bella chair by the way,
him saying, well, you know the plan was for him
to go back in the game. Well why would you
put him back in the game if he wasn't healthy?
Like it just like none of it makes any sense.
But where do you go from here? Now? Like what's
the plan? Now? By the way, you know who the
suitor was for, at least the rumors suitor someone who
really liked mac Jones during the draft process, a little
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little san fran just saying if you don't feel like
Trey Lance, is it Garoppolo's you know, finishing out this
year on that contract? I don't know was what wasn't It?
Was it Kyle Shanahan who wanted mac Jones, but it
was um, John Lynch, you didn't want mac Jones. Do
you think John Lynch would you know, swallow it and
just say, all right, you know, I made a mistake
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here and we went in the wrong direction. Let's go
ahead and bring him back in. I think they would
go that desperate. I mean they've made I think so
I said to think John Lynch would be willing to
admit a mistake and say look, well we'll swap you know,
we we you know, made a decision that didn't ultimately
work for what we what was most successful for us.
If you, if you were mac Joe, would you want
to be traded based on what has happened over the
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past company, I get the sense if you're in New England,
I'll put it this one. If you're in New England,
you know, he's headed into a situation where eventually they
have to figure out what he is as a quarterback,
and so you're gonna have to eventually pick up his option.
I don't know that they're going to the way this
whole thing is going. I mean, they don't pick up
a lot of fifth year options, or they don't franchise
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tag a lot of players, like that's just not their style.
And I just I feel like this is starting to
venture into that Brian Flores territory. And we look at
look at two and now, I mean, look at him
now that Brian Flores has gone. And by the way,
he wasn't bad even with Flores to a degree if
you look at some of the stats. But now he's
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flourishing within that system. And so if I'm Matt Jones
back in my head, yeah, probably, I'm gonna get me
out of this. Why would I want to be with
a team that like drafted me but doesn't want to
surround me with the ability to go out there and succeed.
They want to have a quarterback controversy. Take Bailey Zappy,
do you think he's better? Go take that guy? That's fine,
and it's no disrespect to Bailey Zappy, But the reality is,
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you know, Mac Jones, to your point, Jonas, he said,
pretty darn well. He was so far in this league.
He said, it was a high eagle spraining that all
of a sudden everyone forgets about that. I would, I would,
in the back of my mind be thinking, give me
the hell out of here, let me go somewhere else.
You know, look how this team has been able to perform.
You know, without Tom Brady, we have we were able
to make it and make it the playoffs, but we
don't have enough to be able to get past that.
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And it's not and it's not like Zapp. He came
out and performed well as you pointed out, in the
second half and did not look at it all, Mac
Jones a better quarterback, correct, I think so? I think so.
I know, I know the fan base. Everyone wants to
kind of put it's the same, Dad Prescott, It's the
same thing. It's weird. It is weird like that that
that fan base was all over Mac Jones from the game.
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They were looking for any reason to get tapped last night,
and they got tapped. They got zapped on National TV,
all right by the Bears. You thought Jones was getting zapped. Yeah,
you certainly did. The field. It is, uh, two pros
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Sports Radio. We are going to get into a move
that was made in the NFL yesterday. Somebody is calling
for reinforcements. They think they are a an actual contender.
We will get into that for you here on fs
ARE from the Tirac dot Com Studios. Now, the Indianapolis
Colts though they have made a decision moving forward at quarterback.
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Here was their head coach, Frank Reich talking about that
decision yesterday in Indianapolis. We are going to make a
significant change to the starting lineup. We are going to
elevate Sam to be the starting quarterback. Extremely difficult decision, obviously,
given respected admiration that we have from Matt Ryan, and
you know what he's done and what he's brought here.
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You know he is a pros pro. This guys, this
guy is special, special, special. And we know right at
the quarterback position that it's not our poor production on
offense is not on one person. That's not on Matt Ryan.
But we also know, as Matt and I talked it
through as head coaching quarterback, as head coach, ultimately it
doesn't matter. I'm judged on wins and losses. Quarterbacks judged
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on points and you know, and production and turnovers. So
the Texas Longhorn Sam l Inger is now the starting
quarterback in Indianapolis. And and I'll say this, I did
not see this happening. I didn't think they were actually
going to bench Matt Ryan, even though he had been
paying playing poorly. They're one game out, they're one game
out from the division. At this point, maybe maybe say
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what a game the half because they just lost the
Tennessee But it's bizarre. I mean, I'll put it this way.
He's got a seven and a half billion dollar roster.
Botis that uh, that was paid out this past March.
I s pit on April, but it triggered in March.
Twelve million of salary was fully guaranteed upon Indianapolis acquiring him. Um,
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and then he's got another roster bonus for seven a
half million coming up this March. I mean this year
he's twenty four almost twenty five million against the cap.
Next year he's eighteen million against the cap or dead cap.
I should say his cap it's actually thirty five. It's
much higher. I don't know what the hell the Colts
were thinking if they were going to pull the rug
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out from underneath Matt Ryan, which he hasn't played that great,
but let's be real, their protection has been atrocious. They
played musical chairs on their offensive line. They finally settled
in on a group where Dennis Kelly plays left tackle. Um,
you've got Quinn Nelson Nelson left garden and they've kind of,
you know, fell on themselves in that group. But they're
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still not running the football. And so I just it's
crazy to me you'd make this decision, But I do
think it's one of two things. I think they feel
like this season is all for not and they want
to see what they have in Sam Ellinger before they
go back to the draft. He had a great preseason,
he's developed, he's he's got more of the athletic style,
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the style that you'd run some r p O s
as run pass options with and maybe they'll look at
what Philly is doing and saying that's what our team
needs to be most successful and Matt Ryan is not
going to run that, but Sam Ellinger can, and we
want to see what we have in him before we
potentially move on. And instead of going the veteran route
like Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan go draft the
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guy high in the first round. So we need to
see what we have in Sam first before we move on.
It's either that or they also feel like they're gonna
be somewhere in that purgatory of the middle of the
first round of the draft and they're not gonna have
any shot at one of these top quarterbacks next year's draft.
And so by doing this now, maybe you've got a
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sense of you're gonna end up right where you need
to be to take one of this quarterback in the draft.
If you catch my drift, what are you getting at
just so I don't think their record is or I
don't think their schedule, well it could be conducive for
that you I mean, how many games would they have
to lose to to become you know, but getting to
that whole luck sweepstakes type of situation, what are you
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guys getting at? Here? Are you? Are you trying to
say that not tking anything like that, not not tanking,
just well just look at it like this, just just
to kind of expand, and I don't want to speak
for Q, but just just from my frame, I thought,
you know what you're getting from Matt Ryan at this point,
you know what you're going to get, and you're at
three wins, you're at you're getting from him? Yeah, yeah,
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And and so with with the idea of that, I
wouldn't be surprised if you see Nick Foles at some point.
But but to go with he wasn't back up, so
so to to make that decision if it's not, if
it not tanking and saying like bump it the seasons
off or not, I still think they're in position to
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to take the division, obviously being one game out, being
being in second place. But but you also heard the
coach say, I'm judged by my wins and losses, and
the quarterback is judged by the numbers they put up.
So I think they are trying to make a run
for the division. And if if it does prove out
to be sam Um to be their their quarterback of
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the future, then it would have it would have been
the right move if that's what you're believing. If it's like, Okay,
we're not gonna put Nick Foles in, We're gonna we
are going to leap frog them and see what we
have going on here, I mean, it works, it works
to your advantage both ways in a way. Right. If
it works out great, then it worked out, you have
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a quarterback, it looks pretty good. Then you figure out
where you go from there. If it doesn't work out
and you lose, you can't say you tank the season
to get a quarterback high in the draft. You're saying.
You're merely saying, we try to to salvage art season
and possibly see if we have our quarterback for the future,
and it didn't work out that way, and now we're
here to be able to get a quarter at a
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quarterback that possibly can I mean, I don't think there's
anything wrong, if that's the reasoning behind why they made
the decision. So Frank Wright kind of alluded to, well,
you know, it was a group decision. Jim Mursay and
Chris Ballard and everybody sort of got together and we
all came to this conclusion if if it were up
to Frank Reich, and Matt Ryan's banged up right now,
so he wouldn't be available this week. And I didn't
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even think, yeah, so I don't even think he would
be available for the following week. But even if if
Matt Ryan were healthy, because they said, even if you
were healthy, this is the direction we were going to
go in. I don't think Frank Reich makes this decision.
This has got Jim Mursay written all over it, like
this just feels like an impulsive Jim Mercy decision. It
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is made in the past, and old jimmy Er say said,
you know what, I'm tired of it leaning against this tree. Right,
So you're so you're saying there would be mayor it's
too taking a good look at should he continue to
be an owner? The tree told him there told him, yeah,
it was the tree. The tree got tired of, SA
went to his air and had liked alien caterpillars in
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the in the sap and they got into a brain
like an uh was Star Trek is It wasn't. By
the way, it's too bad that all this happened over
the past couple of weeks because they're playing the Commandos
coming up next. I mean, we would have gotten the
Carson Wentz revenge game against Jimmer say it would have
been in Indianapolis, and all of a sudden, now you know,
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the two guys that were sort of, you know, kind
of the revolving door quarterback for Indianapolis, Wentz and Matt
Ryan are both not gonna be playing, So it kind
of takes some of the sting out of all that.
But are you kind of intrigued to see what sam
Ellinger got the the Texas Longhorn legend sam Ellinger, We
kind of intrigued to see how this plays out or
is it just going to be a complete He's a
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great young man. Um. He reminds me a lot of
Jalen Hurts. He really does. Like as far as his
skill set, he was he was the type of guy
that you'd watched a Texas I mean, first off, I'll
say this Texas never fully appreciated Sam Ellinger because when
he left, things went downhill fast. I mean it got
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much worse. Like he was holding them together at times
in games for how bad they were defensively, and when
he left, you started to see what that looked like.
And now they've been trying to build back up under
Sark and obviously Quinn. You ers in this group, but
I think he reminds me of you know, Hurts who
He's a tough, physical kid, loves the game. He's he's
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capable of being a runner, hurting it with his legs.
He's good off r P O S, play action. He
kind of left something to be desired at the college
level as a passer. But he he's the I mean,
watching this preseason, I was like, Wow, Okay, he's he's
he's in roof. He's got a lot better. He's he's
like Hurts the sense of you know, it hurts, his
like machine learning, Like every rep he gets, he's gonna
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get better. That's that's how I feel watching Sam Ellinger.
So maybe they're feeling the same thing. I mean, they
obviously see him every day in practice and they've watched
him developed since he's joined the roster um. It was
just odd to me that he wasn't the backup. Yeah,
he was third string. As good of a preseason as
he had, he's been the third string, and so now
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you make this move. Not and if Frank Rych, who
knows Nick Foles well, always want a super Bowl Nick Foles.
I mean, if this is about winning, then why the
hell was Nick Foles the backup the whole time? I mean,
in all seriousness, like, if this was about, hey, let's
go out within from some football games, why would you
have put Nick Foles as the backup the entire season
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until this point where you now have Sam Ellen gar
leapfrog him. That that's my biggest question about this because
if you're telling me that if Matt Ryan goes down,
Fools comes in and gives us the best chance to
win as the backup, why would you change that thought? Now?
Why not get you know, gives full some starting experience.
Maybe he feels like he could be more successful with
this group. Frank Write's had a lot of success with him,
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So it's a bit surprising that if that, and that's
how I look at it, If that was your logic
in the previous games when you're three three and one.
How does that make any sense for this movie? Just
say it? Come on, say it? What are they doing here?
Say it? It's a big well. I think we need
some music to go. Can we amiensolve mysteries? Music? Give
us this conspiracy? I want to hear it. Feed me yes.
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Much like in two thousand twelve when the Innniapolis Courts
we're dealing with the injury to Peyton Manning's neck. The
phone office maybe or maybe not set up some things
where the Colts obviously players still looking to try to
be competitive, still doing their best to find a job
in the NFL, but maybe set them up to fail.
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Some would say they even sucked, sucked for Andrew Love.
And maybe they're looking at next year's draft class of
quarterbacks and they're saying to themselves, could it be c J.
Stroud at of the Ohio State University. Could it be
Bryce Young, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner at Obama. Could
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be will Levice form the University of Kentucky, Anthony Richardson
potentially with talent and ability, Williams. Could it be Caleb Boyams,
Like is he drafts? I think he is right? I
think yeah, absolutely, I thought you might have one more year?
My bad. Could it be any one of those five?
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We'll have to wait and see either way. Either way,
maybe once again, the Colts are pulling a page out
of the old Jim or Say playbook and they're sucking
for someone. Man to what you're saying. What you're saying
is that Sam Ellinger is Curtis pain or two point oh?
Is that what you're trying to say right now? I'm
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actually not gonna say that song because I feel like
that's disrespect And it is odd because it's early enough
in the season that you would think that they Again,
if they're just trying to make this about winning, then
why the hell is Nick Foles the backup the entire
season up at this point? You're right that doesn't does
have one more year? By the way, so my apology,
I was pretty sure he was right. Who cares? Yeah,
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but he will be up. Hey, hey, maybe they're trying
to stink for the next two years. How about that?
How about them Apples? How about them Bob and Apples.
But by the way, there's other quarterbacks who could be
in the mix. I named those four because those tend
to be the four that Hendon Hooker headed hooker is
another one. You're throwing that conversation out of Tennessee has
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had a phenomenal year. He's rattler, uh rattler. Yeah, I
mean ranked again about the game Cocks back in the
top twenty five. I'm just gonna say, member, shape Baber
told you all to settle down now. Yeah, so what
are these? Give up? Seven down? Settled down? Set down seven? Damn?
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is seems like he's the guy in Jacksonville now. So
not bad for the Jets. Maybe they really do believe
they're contender. They look pretty good. You know, it's all
about the belief. I mean, I think it's a good move.
It's all about the belief, man. And right now you're
at a point during the season that this team believes
they can win. They're all pros. I mean, keep that
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do you understand what it takes for those men to
be on that roster. So it's just about the belief
of those men. And I think, you know, coach, coach
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thundercat got him, he got him, He got him believing.
Looks it looks like a thundercat. Yeah. Over, it looks
like a thundercat. Um. I think it's this is good
if you want to keep if you want to keep
your hopes alive in the division, this is what you
have to do. And you gotta you gotta credit the
front office making this move, finding a team that had
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something that could part ways with. I think it's a
good fit for their scheme. Uh. And let's be real,
they've hung their hat on the running game to get
offensive production. That is what has led the way for
this group. So you know, they probably don't feel comfortable.
I think it's also a side they don't feel comfortable
putting this on Zach Wilson's shoulders. They're gonna have to
get James Robinson going running the football along with Michael Carter,
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and you hope that you can replace Elijah very Tuck.
What's gonna be tough to do because he's been pretty
solid for this year. So last night I had some
time to kill and I went back and looked over
just the last seventy to seventy five years of the NFL,
and I realized the Jets are the worst five and
two team during that stretch. So, I mean, and this
is seventy to seventy five years of research and the
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Jets are the worst. Just go over their five wins
just so, yeah, no problem. I mean, listen, you know
when you've got the daunting task of going to Cleveland
and uh and seeing that meltdown from the Cleveland Browns,
whether it was Nick Chubb scoring instead of taking a knee,
or the on side kick or the blown coverage, there's that.
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There's also the game against Pittsburgh in which Mitch Drabinski
reportedly almost got in a fist fight with Deonte Johnson
at halftime. Thus Kenny Pickett was brought in. They won
that game, and then the Dolphins, who were on quarterback
number two and quickly had to turn the quarterback number
three a seventh rounder because Teddy Bridgewater went out with
the concussion early on. I mean, look, the green Bay win.
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All credit for a green Bay win, but nothing compares
to what they were able to do against future Hall
of Fame or Brett Rippon uh, and the Denver Broncos
last week. So that was like a full diet tribe
of hate. Just listen, this is all the positivity and
think about this. Who did the Jets play next week?
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Is it the Patriots? Yeah, they got another quarterback controversy.
That's that's interesting. Yeah, and uh, I mean it's too
But here's the thing about the Jets. And we've talked
a little bit about this, but I was thinking about
this over the weekend. When you're when the last time
you had success, your coach had a foot fetish, and
the only quarterback to win a Super Bowl for your
franchise also wore panty hose. Yeah, that, like, I think
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that's sort of like puts you in a category all
on your own. You know that you can claim both
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to play a game before. I'm not afraid to admit that.
Excuse you. When I was younger, I was told my
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run fast. And I don't know if it was true
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It was cold out water. Pantio is gonna do for cold?
I don't know. They were like nylon Panios. I was warm.
I was warm. I was warm, saying again, chalk that up.
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hear this morning, Pantio's to keep what if I why
not Thermal's Jonas. I just told you. I don't know
why she made me do it. She she said that
I would be warm, So I warm and I play
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the way tire buying should be so um the mac
Jones honeymoon in New England, as the warden of Shawshank
Redemption once said, man up and vanished like a fart
in the wind. You can go hold on for a second,
Hold on for a second. Are we really buying into
(01:55):
that narrative so quick? It's not like zapping the second half? Great?
I great, And a lot of thing was to me
was you give him three series? The dudes coming off injury.
That's it. I hated how Bill Belichick handled the situation
last night. Zappy comes in and throws a go route.
Max Jones could have done that it was a better
player on the ball by Parker than it was a
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throw by Zappy, and then the Jacoby Myers passed it
was wide open. Yeah. I mean that's something that Mac
Joneses could have done as well. It didn't seem like
that was working out in the first couple of series.
So we make a big deal because Zappy comes in
plays well. Yet how the second half look? Yeah, it's
not a not a great situation. You talk about cutthroat
(02:37):
man that Pelichick doesn't care. So, I mean that was
the question I was gonna ask you guys right out
the gate, and you answered a Q because that's what
I was thinking to like, even even the second interception
that that Mac through the kid was open through one. Yeah,
Zappy was the first one that where the one I
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got tipped. Yeah, that first right right, it was It
just seemed like the ball was there, like he would
have been able to it would have been a completion,
had to d Lineman. I got his hand on the ball.
So I don't know, I didn't. I'm kind of I'm
on the fence in terms of are you bringing a
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different guy? Why did you bring in a different guy?
I don't know. The back story as to why you
you made the move so quickly. I wouldn't take Bill
Belichick as a coach that would panic. So it just
made me start wondering, is he handling the situation in
correctly or is there something more to why he's doing
(03:37):
what he's doing. But you know, it was very Brian
Flores ish, you know, and you know that that's where
Brian Flores came from. And you know, I just wonder,
is that is that kind of how he you know,
is that the culture there, is that the environment there
that nobody's safe. I don't care if you're the quarterback
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or if you're the cornerback. If I feel like you're
not playing well, I'll make a move and I'll pull
you out. So I don't know that this is even
a long term thing where it's like, Okay, he you know,
he pulled Mac because Mac isn't the player. I just
think he pulled Mac because in that moment he felt
like Mac didn't get them the best opportunity to win.
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Which was crazy to think that that's happening against the
Chicago Bears and we had them looking pretty good last night.
I was just say, first off, give the Bears a
lot of credit. Jonas Knox bears, Uh if he could, Folks,
a round of applause for Jonas Knox Bears justin Fields
arguably maybe the best performance of his professional career. About it.
(04:44):
He was making plays, you know, to call on Brisker. Baby,
he took a nuts shot. He still had an interception. Yeah,
right in the job. That's those penn stays. I'm gonna
test out that three this week in LaVar. I'm gonna
literally I'm gonna hit him. Were the nuts we're gonna sae.
He's still still be able to pick off the pass.
By the way, if you're wondering whether or not you
call Brisker was wearing a cup last night, you got
(05:06):
your answer after a three quarter inch clead straight to
the balls, by the way, was dirty back. Yeah, I
know what he was doing. He was sticking his leg
up because he knew it helped protect him in case
Brisker dove. Instead, Brisker does the gentleman thing and doesn't
dive and trying to take a headshot at him, and
(05:26):
instead he gets kicked in the nuts for it. Yeah.
It's terrible, terrible, all the way through and through. You
guys want to hear Bill Belichick explain the situation at
quarterback last night post game here we go? Here was
Bill Belichick happy to talk to the media. Of course,
as always at point in the week. Did did these
guys know at the beginning of the week that this
is the plan all week long? Or like, how did
it work out with reps at practice? We went through
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the week, so they were aware the situation that they
were going to split reps. We went through the week
of practice. Michael was an active last week. Was there
any consideration toward putting Mac Jones back into the game
as the game went on? Or was the decision to
stick with Bailey after the third series sort of sitting stone?
He would have gone back in the score got out
of hand, so I didn't think that was the right
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thing to do. Do you see a situation where you
might go one quarterback one week and one the next
and have kind of a platoon situation? Or are you
going to start one quarterback each week? Yeah? No, I
don't see that, Can I see you? A part of
that interview was that Mike McDaniel there the crowd, are
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you planning on running? And man, can I throw this
out there? Do you guys feel like this backfire to
Bill Belichick, Yes, I mean I think he ultimately was like,
oh yeah, Mac Jones was looking at gon put Zappi
in zapular great first one at six attempts, and then
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after that all fizzled out and eventually that got exposed.
And it's also the crowd was is you know pro
zappy once and they were booing mac Jones early, like
I mean, the boo birds came out, and it was like,
let him go somewhere else, let him go baugh out
somewhere else, and give the Pats fans what they think
they really what they deserve and for granted Tom Brady
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for about twenty years, and and also for the fact
that it's not like mac Jones, who, by the way,
was the best rookie quarterback last year and it wasn't
even close and had success. They went to the playoffs.
People forget that, and then what did he get this offseason?
Whatever the clown show was with the at offensive coordinator
where they wouldn't make it decay. We still don't know
who the offensive coordinator is. Do we have a clear answer? Okay,
(07:36):
it is Ma Patricia, all right, I was Joe judge.
All right, so they can make that more clear faster
that that's all right. But point being, it was a disaster.
It was a disaster coming into the season and mac
Jones coming off an injury and what do they do.
He throws an interception and he's gone and just like that,
(07:58):
he's out and okay, we're gonna put we were planning
on putting him back in. I don't buy that for
a second. I really don't. Even Troy Aikman was making
comments during the game like yeah, you know, uh, I
guess we'll see if mac Jones is coming back in,
because even Troy Aikman was probably looking around, going what
is the plan here? Like none? If it made any sense,
chefs are must have heard word, because chef to put
(08:19):
out that that tweet before the game would be surprised
if both quarterbacks played tonight, So someone tipped him off
before the game that that was part of the plan. Now,
it seemed a little bit odd that it just so
happened to follow to three and out and interception by
mac Jones where the offense wasn't doing much, which I'll
say this, the offense wasn't doing much running the football either,
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and and that became apparent kind of throughout the course
of the night. I mean, Mac Jones was I think
leading them rushing at halftime, and that hasn't been the
case since Bailey Zappy has taken over. I don't think
has anything that with Zappy. It's just it's a matter
of he had more help during some of those, uh,
some of those weeks. Is it possible? And listening to
that us while it doesn't seem like you could get
anything out of what Belichick's response was to those questions,
(09:08):
I kind of felt like I did, and him saying that,
you know, we went through the week and and if
you pay close attention, he says, you know, Mac Jones
wasn't playing a week ago or something to that effect,
like you know he wasn't playing, Like Mac just wasn't playing.
This was a knee injury, it's weight bearing injury. Is
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there just is there the possibility that that Belichick, which
I don't agree with the manner in which he took
Mac out. I don't, but it's not for me to
agree with the coach's decision. Is there the possibility that
Bill Belichick was like we went through the week, Mac
is fresh back, like this is his first first week back.
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He might not be ready to go within the You know,
I don't know to the level or to the degree
that I'm fully comfortable with leaving him in the game.
Was he saving Mac from himself? Because if it was
a matter of Mac playing bad, badly and poorly, and
that's why you put Zappienne, and then Zappy starts playing poorly,
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but you leave Zappienne, you didn't go back to Mac Jones.
So is it a possibility that he's sitting there saying like,
I don't have to tell you guys how healthy Mac is.
I'll take that. I'll take the brunt of it. Mac
is going to have to deal with the brunt of
of of him getting pulled. But I'm pulled him out
because of maybe possibly health reasons. He didn't look good
(10:38):
warming up. They were showing some live shots of him moving,
and he's not the most athletic guy you know, neither
him nor Zappy for that matter. But it looked like
to me he was still moving gingerly on that at
that ankle, So I didn't think he was a hundred
percent just moving around from what I saw a pregame.
Maybe there's something to that, Yeah, I don't. I mean,
(10:58):
who the hell knows? In bella chair by the way,
him saying, well, you know the plan was for him
to go back in the game. Well why would you
put him back in the game if he wasn't healthy?
Like it just like none of it makes any sense.
But where do you go from here? Now? Like what's
the plan? Now? By the way, you know who the
suitor was for, at least the rumors suitor someone who
really liked mac Jones during the draft process, a little
(11:20):
little san fran just saying if you don't feel like
Trey Lance, is it Garoppolo's you know, finishing out this
year on that contract? I don't know was what wasn't It?
Was it Kyle Shanahan who wanted mac Jones, but it
was um, John Lynch, you didn't want mac Jones. Do
you think John Lynch would you know, swallow it and
just say, all right, you know, I made a mistake
(11:42):
here and we went in the wrong direction. Let's go
ahead and bring him back in. I think they would
go that desperate. I mean they've made I think so
I said to think John Lynch would be willing to
admit a mistake and say look, well we'll swap you know,
we we you know, made a decision that didn't ultimately
work for what we what was most successful for us.
If you, if you were mac Joe, would you want
to be traded based on what has happened over the
(12:03):
past company, I get the sense if you're in New England,
I'll put it this one. If you're in New England,
you know, he's headed into a situation where eventually they
have to figure out what he is as a quarterback,
and so you're gonna have to eventually pick up his option.
I don't know that they're going to the way this
whole thing is going. I mean, they don't pick up
a lot of fifth year options, or they don't franchise
(12:24):
tag a lot of players, like that's just not their style.
And I just I feel like this is starting to
venture into that Brian Flores territory. And we look at
look at two and now, I mean, look at him
now that Brian Flores has gone. And by the way,
he wasn't bad even with Flores to a degree if
you look at some of the stats. But now he's
(12:46):
flourishing within that system. And so if I'm Matt Jones
back in my head, yeah, probably, I'm gonna get me
out of this. Why would I want to be with
a team that like drafted me but doesn't want to
surround me with the ability to go out there and succeed.
They want to have a quarterback controversy. Take Bailey Zappy,
do you think he's better? Go take that guy? That's fine,
and it's no disrespect to Bailey Zappy, But the reality is,
(13:09):
you know, Mac Jones, to your point, Jonas, he said,
pretty darn well. He was so far in this league.
He said, it was a high eagle spraining that all
of a sudden everyone forgets about that. I would, I would,
in the back of my mind be thinking, give me
the hell out of here, let me go somewhere else.
You know, look how this team has been able to perform.
You know, without Tom Brady, we have we were able
to make it and make it the playoffs, but we
don't have enough to be able to get past that.
(13:30):
And it's not and it's not like Zapp. He came
out and performed well as you pointed out, in the
second half and did not look at it all, Mac
Jones a better quarterback, correct, I think so? I think so.
I know, I know the fan base. Everyone wants to
kind of put it's the same, Dad Prescott, It's the
same thing. It's weird. It is weird like that that
that fan base was all over Mac Jones from the game.
(13:52):
They were looking for any reason to get tapped last night,
and they got tapped. They got zapped on National TV,
all right by the Bears. You thought Jones was getting zapped. Yeah,
you certainly did. The field. It is, uh, two pros
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ARE from the Tirac dot Com Studios. Now, the Indianapolis
Colts though they have made a decision moving forward at quarterback.
(15:38):
Here was their head coach, Frank Reich talking about that
decision yesterday in Indianapolis. We are going to make a
significant change to the starting lineup. We are going to
elevate Sam to be the starting quarterback. Extremely difficult decision, obviously,
given respected admiration that we have from Matt Ryan, and
you know what he's done and what he's brought here.
(16:00):
You know he is a pros pro. This guys, this
guy is special, special, special. And we know right at
the quarterback position that it's not our poor production on
offense is not on one person. That's not on Matt Ryan.
But we also know, as Matt and I talked it
through as head coaching quarterback, as head coach, ultimately it
doesn't matter. I'm judged on wins and losses. Quarterbacks judged
(16:23):
on points and you know, and production and turnovers. So
the Texas Longhorn Sam l Inger is now the starting
quarterback in Indianapolis. And and I'll say this, I did
not see this happening. I didn't think they were actually
going to bench Matt Ryan, even though he had been
paying playing poorly. They're one game out, they're one game
out from the division. At this point, maybe maybe say
(16:45):
what a game the half because they just lost the
Tennessee But it's bizarre. I mean, I'll put it this way.
He's got a seven and a half billion dollar roster.
Botis that uh, that was paid out this past March.
I s pit on April, but it triggered in March.
Twelve million of salary was fully guaranteed upon Indianapolis acquiring him. Um,
(17:10):
and then he's got another roster bonus for seven a
half million coming up this March. I mean this year
he's twenty four almost twenty five million against the cap.
Next year he's eighteen million against the cap or dead cap.
I should say his cap it's actually thirty five. It's
much higher. I don't know what the hell the Colts
were thinking if they were going to pull the rug
(17:32):
out from underneath Matt Ryan, which he hasn't played that great,
but let's be real, their protection has been atrocious. They
played musical chairs on their offensive line. They finally settled
in on a group where Dennis Kelly plays left tackle. Um,
you've got Quinn Nelson Nelson left garden and they've kind of,
you know, fell on themselves in that group. But they're
(17:53):
still not running the football. And so I just it's
crazy to me you'd make this decision, But I do
think it's one of two things. I think they feel
like this season is all for not and they want
to see what they have in Sam Ellinger before they
go back to the draft. He had a great preseason,
he's developed, he's he's got more of the athletic style,
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the style that you'd run some r p O s
as run pass options with and maybe they'll look at
what Philly is doing and saying that's what our team
needs to be most successful and Matt Ryan is not
going to run that, but Sam Ellinger can, and we
want to see what we have in him before we
potentially move on. And instead of going the veteran route
like Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan go draft the
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guy high in the first round. So we need to
see what we have in Sam first before we move on.
It's either that or they also feel like they're gonna
be somewhere in that purgatory of the middle of the
first round of the draft and they're not gonna have
any shot at one of these top quarterbacks next year's draft.
And so by doing this now, maybe you've got a
(18:57):
sense of you're gonna end up right where you need
to be to take one of this quarterback in the draft.
If you catch my drift, what are you getting at
just so I don't think their record is or I
don't think their schedule, well it could be conducive for
that you I mean, how many games would they have
to lose to to become you know, but getting to
that whole luck sweepstakes type of situation, what are you
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guys getting at? Here? Are you? Are you trying to
say that not tking anything like that, not not tanking,
just well just look at it like this, just just
to kind of expand, and I don't want to speak
for Q, but just just from my frame, I thought,
you know what you're getting from Matt Ryan at this point,
you know what you're going to get, and you're at
three wins, you're at you're getting from him? Yeah, yeah,
(19:46):
And and so with with the idea of that, I
wouldn't be surprised if you see Nick Foles at some point.
But but to go with he wasn't back up, so
so to to make that decision if it's not, if
it not tanking and saying like bump it the seasons
off or not, I still think they're in position to
(20:06):
to take the division, obviously being one game out, being
being in second place. But but you also heard the
coach say, I'm judged by my wins and losses, and
the quarterback is judged by the numbers they put up.
So I think they are trying to make a run
for the division. And if if it does prove out
to be sam Um to be their their quarterback of
(20:28):
the future, then it would have it would have been
the right move if that's what you're believing. If it's like, Okay,
we're not gonna put Nick Foles in, We're gonna we
are going to leap frog them and see what we
have going on here, I mean, it works, it works
to your advantage both ways in a way. Right. If
it works out great, then it worked out, you have
(20:48):
a quarterback, it looks pretty good. Then you figure out
where you go from there. If it doesn't work out
and you lose, you can't say you tank the season
to get a quarterback high in the draft. You're saying.
You're merely saying, we try to to salvage art season
and possibly see if we have our quarterback for the future,
and it didn't work out that way, and now we're
here to be able to get a quarter at a
(21:09):
quarterback that possibly can I mean, I don't think there's
anything wrong, if that's the reasoning behind why they made
the decision. So Frank Wright kind of alluded to, well,
you know, it was a group decision. Jim Mursay and
Chris Ballard and everybody sort of got together and we
all came to this conclusion if if it were up
to Frank Reich, and Matt Ryan's banged up right now,
so he wouldn't be available this week. And I didn't
(21:31):
even think, yeah, so I don't even think he would
be available for the following week. But even if if
Matt Ryan were healthy, because they said, even if you
were healthy, this is the direction we were going to
go in. I don't think Frank Reich makes this decision.
This has got Jim Mursay written all over it, like
this just feels like an impulsive Jim Mercy decision. It
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is made in the past, and old jimmy Er say said,
you know what, I'm tired of it leaning against this tree. Right,
So you're so you're saying there would be mayor it's
too taking a good look at should he continue to
be an owner? The tree told him there told him, yeah,
it was the tree. The tree got tired of, SA
went to his air and had liked alien caterpillars in
(22:19):
the in the sap and they got into a brain
like an uh was Star Trek is It wasn't. By
the way, it's too bad that all this happened over
the past couple of weeks because they're playing the Commandos
coming up next. I mean, we would have gotten the
Carson Wentz revenge game against Jimmer say it would have
been in Indianapolis, and all of a sudden, now you know,
(22:40):
the two guys that were sort of, you know, kind
of the revolving door quarterback for Indianapolis, Wentz and Matt
Ryan are both not gonna be playing, So it kind
of takes some of the sting out of all that.
But are you kind of intrigued to see what sam
Ellinger got the the Texas Longhorn legend sam Ellinger, We
kind of intrigued to see how this plays out or
is it just going to be a complete He's a
(23:01):
great young man. Um. He reminds me a lot of
Jalen Hurts. He really does. Like as far as his
skill set, he was he was the type of guy
that you'd watched a Texas I mean, first off, I'll
say this Texas never fully appreciated Sam Ellinger because when
he left, things went downhill fast. I mean it got
(23:21):
much worse. Like he was holding them together at times
in games for how bad they were defensively, and when
he left, you started to see what that looked like.
And now they've been trying to build back up under
Sark and obviously Quinn. You ers in this group, but
I think he reminds me of you know, Hurts who
He's a tough, physical kid, loves the game. He's he's
(23:44):
capable of being a runner, hurting it with his legs.
He's good off r P O S, play action. He
kind of left something to be desired at the college
level as a passer. But he he's the I mean,
watching this preseason, I was like, Wow, Okay, he's he's
he's in roof. He's got a lot better. He's he's
like Hurts the sense of you know, it hurts, his
like machine learning, Like every rep he gets, he's gonna
(24:05):
get better. That's that's how I feel watching Sam Ellinger.
So maybe they're feeling the same thing. I mean, they
obviously see him every day in practice and they've watched
him developed since he's joined the roster um. It was
just odd to me that he wasn't the backup. Yeah,
he was third string. As good of a preseason as
he had, he's been the third string, and so now
(24:25):
you make this move. Not and if Frank Rych, who
knows Nick Foles well, always want a super Bowl Nick Foles.
I mean, if this is about winning, then why the
hell was Nick Foles the backup the whole time? I mean,
in all seriousness, like, if this was about, hey, let's
go out within from some football games, why would you
have put Nick Foles as the backup the entire season
(24:46):
until this point where you now have Sam Ellen gar
leapfrog him. That that's my biggest question about this because
if you're telling me that if Matt Ryan goes down,
Fools comes in and gives us the best chance to
win as the backup, why would you change that thought? Now?
Why not get you know, gives full some starting experience.
Maybe he feels like he could be more successful with
this group. Frank Write's had a lot of success with him,
(25:07):
So it's a bit surprising that if that, and that's
how I look at it, If that was your logic
in the previous games when you're three three and one.
How does that make any sense for this movie? Just
say it? Come on, say it? What are they doing here?
Say it? It's a big well. I think we need
some music to go. Can we amiensolve mysteries? Music? Give
us this conspiracy? I want to hear it. Feed me yes.
(25:30):
Much like in two thousand twelve when the Innniapolis Courts
we're dealing with the injury to Peyton Manning's neck. The
phone office maybe or maybe not set up some things
where the Colts obviously players still looking to try to
be competitive, still doing their best to find a job
in the NFL, but maybe set them up to fail.
(25:50):
Some would say they even sucked, sucked for Andrew Love.
And maybe they're looking at next year's draft class of
quarterbacks and they're saying to themselves, could it be c J.
Stroud at of the Ohio State University. Could it be
Bryce Young, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner at Obama. Could
(26:11):
be will Levice form the University of Kentucky, Anthony Richardson
potentially with talent and ability, Williams. Could it be Caleb Boyams,
Like is he drafts? I think he is right? I
think yeah, absolutely, I thought you might have one more year?
My bad. Could it be any one of those five?
(26:31):
We'll have to wait and see either way. Either way,
maybe once again, the Colts are pulling a page out
of the old Jim or Say playbook and they're sucking
for someone. Man to what you're saying. What you're saying
is that Sam Ellinger is Curtis pain or two point oh?
Is that what you're trying to say right now? I'm
(26:52):
actually not gonna say that song because I feel like
that's disrespect And it is odd because it's early enough
in the season that you would think that they Again,
if they're just trying to make this about winning, then
why the hell is Nick Foles the backup the entire
season up at this point? You're right that doesn't does
have one more year? By the way, so my apology,
I was pretty sure he was right. Who cares? Yeah,
(27:16):
but he will be up. Hey, hey, maybe they're trying
to stink for the next two years. How about that?
How about them Apples? How about them Bob and Apples.
But by the way, there's other quarterbacks who could be
in the mix. I named those four because those tend
to be the four that Hendon Hooker headed hooker is
another one. You're throwing that conversation out of Tennessee has
(27:38):
had a phenomenal year. He's rattler, uh rattler. Yeah, I
mean ranked again about the game Cocks back in the
top twenty five. I'm just gonna say, member, shape Baber
told you all to settle down now. Yeah, so what
are these? Give up? Seven down? Settled down? Set down seven? Damn?
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there miss Monday Night football last night. You might have
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back James Robinson, who will fill that gap left behind
by Bruce Hall. Yeah, Lightning leaving the leaving the season
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round of applause for Brady Quit. Everybody there is class
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I didn't get its tremendous job. Oh man, all right,
laughing where you're sitting right now at least all right? So,
(31:00):
uh yeah the Jets. So, uh, Breece Hall is done
with the A C L and then Elijah Vera tuckers
out with the triceps, and so then they go and
they pick up James like this is it's not BREECEE Hall,
but this is a serviceable replacement running back. Correct, Oh
yeah he had James Robinson has had some good games,
some good performances with Jacksonville. And then uh, Travis Atienne
(31:22):
is seems like he's the guy in Jacksonville now. So
not bad for the Jets. Maybe they really do believe
they're contender. They look pretty good. You know, it's all
about the belief. I mean, I think it's a good move.
It's all about the belief, man. And right now you're
at a point during the season that this team believes
they can win. They're all pros. I mean, keep that
(31:45):
in mind. Like there are some bad teams, I get it,
but they're bad teams by NFL pro standard. There is
no such thing as as a like they're all pros. Like,
do you understand what it takes for those men to
be on that roster. So it's just about the belief
of those men. And I think, you know, coach, coach
(32:08):
thundercat got him, he got him, He got him believing.
Looks it looks like a thundercat. Yeah. Over, it looks
like a thundercat. Um. I think it's this is good
if you want to keep if you want to keep
your hopes alive in the division, this is what you
have to do. And you gotta you gotta credit the
front office making this move, finding a team that had
(32:31):
something that could part ways with. I think it's a
good fit for their scheme. Uh. And let's be real,
they've hung their hat on the running game to get
offensive production. That is what has led the way for
this group. So you know, they probably don't feel comfortable.
I think it's also a side they don't feel comfortable
putting this on Zach Wilson's shoulders. They're gonna have to
get James Robinson going running the football along with Michael Carter,
(32:56):
and you hope that you can replace Elijah very Tuck.
What's gonna be tough to do because he's been pretty
solid for this year. So last night I had some
time to kill and I went back and looked over
just the last seventy to seventy five years of the NFL,
and I realized the Jets are the worst five and
two team during that stretch. So, I mean, and this
is seventy to seventy five years of research and the
(33:17):
Jets are the worst. Just go over their five wins
just so, yeah, no problem. I mean, listen, you know
when you've got the daunting task of going to Cleveland
and uh and seeing that meltdown from the Cleveland Browns,
whether it was Nick Chubb scoring instead of taking a knee,
or the on side kick or the blown coverage, there's that.
(33:38):
There's also the game against Pittsburgh in which Mitch Drabinski
reportedly almost got in a fist fight with Deonte Johnson
at halftime. Thus Kenny Pickett was brought in. They won
that game, and then the Dolphins, who were on quarterback
number two and quickly had to turn the quarterback number
three a seventh rounder because Teddy Bridgewater went out with
the concussion early on. I mean, look, the green Bay win.
(33:59):
All credit for a green Bay win, but nothing compares
to what they were able to do against future Hall
of Fame or Brett Rippon uh, and the Denver Broncos
last week. So that was like a full diet tribe
of hate. Just listen, this is all the positivity and
think about this. Who did the Jets play next week?
(34:19):
Is it the Patriots? Yeah, they got another quarterback controversy.
That's that's interesting. Yeah, and uh, I mean it's too
But here's the thing about the Jets. And we've talked
a little bit about this, but I was thinking about
this over the weekend. When you're when the last time
you had success, your coach had a foot fetish, and
the only quarterback to win a Super Bowl for your
franchise also wore panty hose. Yeah, that, like, I think
(34:43):
that's sort of like puts you in a category all
on your own. You know that you can claim both
those things. So again, Jts, Jets, Jets wore panty hose
to play a game before. I'm not afraid to admit that.
Excuse you. When I was younger, I was told my
mom told me it would keep my legs warm and
(35:03):
that I wouldn't cramp up and I'd be able to
run fast. And I don't know if it was true
or not, but I ran fast that day. You were Pantios.
It was cold out water. Pantio is gonna do for cold?
I don't know. They were like nylon Panios. I was warm.
I was warm. I was warm, saying again, chalk that up.
(35:24):
Two things. I did not think I was going to
hear this morning, Pantio's to keep what if I why
not Thermal's Jonas. I just told you. I don't know
why she made me do it. She she said that
I would be warm, So I warm and I play
well that day North Hills. Maybe it's a p a
(35:55):
thing for the West I was planning for West View,
which is now racially not socially not acceptable to say
what team I played for at the time, But really
I did have Pennio's on. Yeah, well, what what is
the name now? I don't know what they call him now.
I was saying, we could probably figure this out. But
(36:15):
I played for one of The second team was the
same team I played for in the pros. The smaller
team was the team in Atlanta. The big team is
the team in Kansas City right now. And I could
say Chiefs, but I wasn't on the Chiefs at that time.
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