October 4, 2023 • 39 mins
The Patriots have issues to address, The Giants are in a bad spot and the guys hand out their midweek awards on “The Good, The Bad& The Ugly.”
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Speaker 4 (01:24):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The New England Patriots have a long track record of success,
all the Super Bowls, you know, all the allegations that
there's no way they could possibly be this good. They
had the greatest player in the history of the NFL
and Tom Brady, who was you know, running the show
there for a long long time. Bill Belichick's chasing Don
Shula for all time career wins. But it does feel
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like they've reached a point in the Belichick era where
things are starting to look completely the opposite of how
they did for all those games and all those years
when Tom Brady was there. Now there's a couple of
different layers to all this. The first layer we must
point to is the quarterback Mac Jones, who had an
awful game against Dallas Cowboys over the weekend. His offensive coordinator,
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Bill O'Brien though he has some faith that Mac Jones
is going to be able to figure this thing out
and don't worry about what happened this past Sunday, let's
focus on the future.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I thought that last game for Mac, some of the
decisions that he made were very uncharacteristic of Mac and
I think he'll he'll get back to doing it the
way you know, he knows how to do it, and
he's just trying to make a play. He's wanting to win.
He's very competitive and you know, maybe the plays weren't great.
So I have to be involved in that big time
with him. I understand that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I think you'll see a lot of improvement in Mac
as we keep moving forward here.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
All right, So a lot of optimism there.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
What's not You can't go too far backwards? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh geez?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I mean they say rock bottom is the best place
to start getting better.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean there's been there's been worse quarterback performing that
we've seen.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Is that? Can I ask you this?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Like, if I if I go through all of these teams,
name something they're offensive have in common? San Francisco, Philly, Buffalo,
Kansas City, Dallas, Miami, Baltimore, maybe Detroit, Tampa, and Seattle.
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What's one thing offensively you think all these teams have
in common?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Uh, quarterback and wide receivers.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Okay, let's talk about the second part. Maybe with the
exception of you'd say Detroit. Even though I love Almon Ross,
Sam Brown, I think it's a hell of a player.
Josh Reynolds played out standing for them.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
You'd say, like, there's they have. They have dudes, they
have guys.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
They have a guy either a go to guy, guy
with speed like San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
With Brendan Ayuk and Deep Samuel Right.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Philly's got Devonte Smith, aj Brown, Buffalo's got Digs.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
I don't know, maybe that's the first one you go, Ah,
maybe maybe not, depending on how you look at their
their summary of pieces Dallas Ceedee Lamb, Brandon Cooks, Miami obviously,
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle Baltimore. I mean, they've got
obj but really say flowers are shot Bateman. I mean
every single one of these teams. Tampa you got Godwin,
you got Mike Evans, Seattle, DK, Tyler Lockett, Jackson Smith
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and Jigba. They've all invested. They've all loaded their roster
with speed in dynamic playmaking ability. That has been the
Achilles Heel for Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots
in drafting and identifying those big time star wide receivers.
Outside of having Randy Moss and you could say Edelman,
you could say Wes Welker. They found those guys in
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the later rounds and not the same type of player
I'm talking about. It's just I think that's the one
position they have, really he has because he's the general manager,
consistently missed on and they and you've got to have
that in today's game, and they don't. And I think
it's showing up right now in their offense with what
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it looks.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like it's really been tight end played. That's been a
successful of them with Gronk, even when Aaron Hernandez was there,
Nikhil Harry, they tried that that didn't work and work. Yeah, there,
it's they're they're definitely lacking that department.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
They've had slot receivers though, like you guys said, and
like Edelman and e Mon Doola and.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
But those are late picks that guys like Edelman, who
is a quarterback that converted to wide receiver, he wasn't
And so it's not like you're talking about a number
one one bona fit.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It's true because even going back to Troy Brown and
David Patton, they weren't necessarily and Givens they weren't ones.
So I mean it makes sense, and and and then
you makes you wonder why they haven't. I mean, they
did Randy Moss at one point, but it was always
back in two thousand and seven, right, they almost went
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undefeated widhim, and maybe they need to make a move
like that.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
But like, literally, let me go.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I can go through the years of where they've drafted
guys like this year they drafted Kashawn Buoyd out of
LSU in the sixth round. You know, two years ago
uh Taekwon Thornton in the second round. Nothing's really you know,
come from that, Trey Nixon the year before that in
the seventh round. You actually go back to the twenty
twenty draft, they didn't draft one wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Twenty nineteen is the year they drafted a first round pick.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
And to kill Harry who's now just was activated with
the Minnesota Vikings, Braxton Barrios is no longer with the team.
Back in twenty eighteen, that was a sixth round pick.
I mean, you go through the year twenty seventeen, no
wide receivers drafted twenty sixteen Malcolm Mitchell in the fourth round.
I mean, it's they really have not looked at this
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position in the draft at All twenty fifteen, no Wide
Receivers twenty fourteen, seventh round pick, and Jeremy Gallon out
of Michigan, Aaron Dobson second round twenty thirteen, Jeremy Ebert
seventh round twenty twelve, Josh Boyce, fourth round pick.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I mean they just have another hole any sign. I
hate to say it. Why this? Those aren't significant names?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
No, And that's what I'm saying is if you go
back and if you look at like Brendan Ayuk, was
he a late first round pick, I'm not mistaken. Second
Debo was a second round Ayuk might have been second,
but you look at like go through the DeVante Smith
first round pick. Aj Brown was a second end up
trading for him being a boatload might as well be
a first round. Stephan Diggs was a later round pick,
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but obviously Buffalo ended up bringing in for a boat
lead because they saw he's a difference maker, right ken
Sley Chiefs. When they had Tyreek Hill, he was kind
of more converted, but then they paid him because he
became that and they haven't necessarily spent as much juice
on that since.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But we'll see if that doesn't changed. See Lamb first
round pick.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
I mean Miami Dolphins waddle first round pick like there's
so many Rashad Bateman with the Baltimore Ravens first round pick.
Save Flowers was also a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Was he second?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Zay Flowers was a second? I believe mightn't know. He
might have been a late first.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think it was a late first.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah, you know it's and obviously Miami gave up a
ton to get tyreek Hill there. Mike Evans first round pick,
Chris Conan was a second round pick. Metcalf's second round
pick fell to them though, right, Jackson Smith and Jigba
first round pick.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Don't care what team you're talking about. Browns they have
a Mario Cooper former first round pick. I mean, you
go through the list of teams they've invested, and they've
looked at the wide receiver position and said one of
two things. We need to find a dependable number one
guy we can throw a fifty to fifty ball up
to that's going to make a play or when he's
double covered. Or we need a guy who can separate
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a guy with extreme speed. They've either founded via the
draft high in the first round or somewhere in the
first round, second round, or they go find it in
free agency, or they go trade for it. The Patriots
have not bought into it, and I think it's killed
them since Tom Brady's left, and honestly even towards the
end of Tom Brady's tenure there. And I think he
saw it because when he went to Tampa, he brings Gronk.
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They've got got one, They've got Mike Evans, they've got
these other pieces. He probably looked at that roster said
this is better for what this league is at right now.
And tell me this, when were the two years where
Tom Brady threw the football most in his career.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I mean last two years, right.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Last two years in Tampa.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Yeah, And so you get a glimpse of maybe what
Tom wanted to be and one to do his entire
time in New England, and maybe Bill Belichick didn't want
to do that. I just think there's there's there hasn't
been a focus and more concern over getting that position right,
especially now around Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I think that's hurt their offense in a big way.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And like Juju Smith schuster Man, there's been talks that
his knee has not been one hundred percent since he's
been there. Like that, that seems like it's not going well.
I thought they were the team that should bid and
out bid Tennessee for DeAndre Hopkins, like if he was
there and available and in for a visit. That felt
like that was a move that they should have made.
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And he ended up going with Tennessee because they probably
offered him more money. Like that, that felt like that
where that should go. But yeah, it's and then you
know on top of all that, now you go to
the defensive side. Matthew Judon's got that bicep tear, the
lower bicep tend and tear. He's going to be out
a couple of months.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Christiansen, that's a tremendous blow terror.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That was if there was one guy to say you
couldn't lose on that team in order for them to
have a chance to have some real success, it'd been him.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And give them credit for this. He's been a great signing.
That's been one of those free agent signings that they
brought over that that has worked out really well. But
like Christian Gonzalez, the rookie cornerback, he's been off to
a great start now he's dealing with an injury. It
just it feels like, and I'm not saying this to
be funny, their goals should not be to make the playoffs.
It should be to not finish in last place in
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their division. You gotta have that one up on the Jets.
You gotta have it. They lost Rogers. That's where a think,
that's where we're moving the goalpost on success for the Patriots.
Forget playoffs, just don't finish in dead last in that division.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Well, everyone's gonna look at the quarterbacks and you're gonna say, well,
how would you rank the quarterbacks in the AFC East. Now,
I'm saying, if Rogers is healthy, you wouldn't put mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Above any of the other things.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
No way, Okay, So then what do you need to
do in order to compete? Do you need to surround
him with more talent?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Then yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
And if you're gonna rank the wide receivers in the AFCs,
would you put the Patriots above anyone else in that division?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
No, No, I.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Mean Digson and Gabe Davis are a better combination than
anything the Patriots have. I mean, Garret Wilson, I mean
and whoever you want to pair him with for the Jets, Yeah,
Blizard probably are you know, Cabo and whoever you want
to talking about their supporting cast. But it's like that's
that to me is just for whatever reason, it like
flies uner the radar. I think when talking about the
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concerns about this New England Patriots offense, the team in general,
and now defensively, Judon's out and then you got Christian
Gonzalez who's banged up their first round pick, who's been fantastic.
And by the way, that's not like saying that New
England hasn't gotten picks right at other positions.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
They have.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
They've been really successful to drafting defensive players, especially in
the first round, and finding other players. It's just, for
whatever reason, the wide receiver positions one they haven't focused
on and other teams have and other teams are surpassing
them right now.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you think that was also part of the reason
why And we'll probably touch on this later on because
he's been in the news recently, but do you think
that's part of the reason why Josh McDaniels elected to
leave when he did, because it felt like he was
the heir apparent, that that's where that was headed for
Belichick and he just decided, Eh, let me go take
the Raiders gig, and just I wonder if he saw
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the writing on the wall and just realized, Man, there's
not a whole hell of a lot to work with here,
and I'd rather go. If I'm going to strike, I'd
rather go now before I start taking a hit a
lah Matt Canada. But for different reasons striking, Yeah, I
start taking the hit because our offense isn't producing, because
we don't have guys that we can depend on that
can compete at the same level as some of these
other guys in the division. I wonder if that was
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part of the reason.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That still could probably work out, though he might not
be in in in Las Vegas much longer, so he
could end up back in New England if it doesn't
work out.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Who's to say that that still can't work out.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I mean, it's funny the outside perception of the Raiders
right now, granted one in three and they're they're tied
in the division at one and one, is that everyone
once I'm fired, Mark Davis has been adamantly defending him.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Damn righty is And it's interesting and I'm.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Not saying the Raiders are a playoff team. I didn't
think they would be this year. But they're one and
one in the division. They're one and three overall, like
a team that's five hundred in their division only played
two games so far.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
They're not out of it. I mean you'd be. You'd
be more like, you'd be.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Hard pressed to find any team right now that's completely
out of it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Like the teams that I get concerned with, other Bengals.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Who are already oh in two in the division. You know,
the Browns who are one and two in the division.
Like you start looking through some of the teams that
are already that played a lot of divisional games early,
are already behind the eight ball Panthers oh into in
the division. Yeah, then that record hits a little different
because at least you have the chance of winning your
division and hopefully being able to then make in the
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playoffs that way. But if you haven't played many divisional
games of a bad record, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Like you win your division, you still got a shot.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, it's a mess. Well, listen, you know they got
all those Super bowls they can look back on and
everybody can celebrate and have fun with that, and at
least they can hang their hat on that if you're
the New England Patriots. And Bill O'Brien's is he's not
worried about what's going on with mac Jones. Plus, the
thing with mac Jones is you never know when he
throws a pick whether or not he's going to light
somebody up on defense with a dirty play, and that
to me is a heartwarming tale if.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Something lights them up or ta bag.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Him whatever that too, gator roll like you name it,
gator roll, tea bag, anything you want, Mac Jones will provide,
especially if he's trying to get some revenge on a pick.
I like him. He's very feisty, that mac Jones like it. Yeah,
it's uh, he's got a little Belichick in him almost.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, he's got a little something to him.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
A little confused.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I like the guy. Yeah, I want to dap him
up and maybe a high five would Yeah? Jonas get it.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You want to do top gun?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah? Top gun?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh yeah right there.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Effects but we got in our own bet you see
how long?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You see how long Brady's arms are?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Come on? Yeah it again? Yeah, top gun is my
favorite thing. Yeah that Jonas times it up.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well, yeah, I just felt like this this this time around.
I don't know that you guys executed as well.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We're talking about come.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I didn't feel as impressed like it's usually pretty pretty impressive.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
This one. I was kind of right here we go
up top. That was a good one. You told.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Just when I thought you guys couldn't be any more
off on your timing, you go and do this and
totally redeem yourself. That last one was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm telling you, man, that one was good. Arms like that.
You can't let those go to waste.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Give me one more, take us to break with one, man,
give me, give me one good one. Give me one
last good one.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
All right, so we'll take you to break with it.
Here it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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So it did not go well for Daniel Jones and
the New York Giants on primetime. That did not go
well whatsoever at all. Pretty pretty awful showing for them
on Monday Night football against the Seattle Seahawks. And get
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the man. Yeah, I got that one right. How about it?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You call money?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah? I told you, And I love Brian day Ball
dump truck Nuts, loved everything about him. Last year, I
just I was not confident in where this was headed,
and it felt like there was a lot of people
who thought, maybe they paid the wrong guy, maybe they
should have paid Saquan and you know, figured out a
way to franchise Daniel Jones, and you know, there was
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a deadline that was set and you had there. They're
even their GM who spoke out and said, well, you know,
we probably probably should have picked up that fifth year option.
You know, if we would have known this was going
to happen, we would have gone that direction. But nonetheless,
he got a long term deal. He didn't play well.
One of the highlights of that game for the Seahawks
was Devin Witherspoon, the stud rookie from Illinois who we
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talked about yesterday, who returned the interception all the way
for the touchdown, and he said that he noticed something
when it came to Daniel Jones. Here he was on
NF on that work post game, we were just trusting
the game playing the coach laid out for us.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
We knew he like to started down his first target,
so he had his back turn.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
A lot of guys and when they went to one
metsups up front man side outside D line.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Without you, we could have made the play that we made.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So Brady as a quarterback, when your reputation around the
league is that you like to stare down in your
first target, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, it means you have to stir down your first target.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and how's that going to go?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Not?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Well, I need to get a lot of pick six's
things of that nature. I mean, that's so in a nutshell,
that's one of the things that after playing this long
in the league, it shouldn't be the case for him.
That shouldn't be something that you get from a scouting report.
Most coordinators, and Brian Dable does a pretty good job
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of this, They give you a man zone indicator, so
pretty simple football. If it's man, none of the guys
are looking at you. You why, because they're looking at
the guy they're covering. So there's only usually either a
middle of the field safety, potentially two safeties if it's
two man, or like a whole player either at the
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linebacker spot or coming from the secondary like maybe he's
a robber or thief.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
They will call them those.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Only guys who are really watching your eyes. Now it's
zone coverage, different story. Those guys who are playing off coverage,
they might be matching at some point, meaning it plays
out more like man, But at least initially, they're watching
the eyes of the quarterback. And you've got to know
that because you can manipulate the defense with your eyes
if it's zone, because everyone's looking at you. If it's man,
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there's only one player you gotta be worried about who's
gonna be looking at you, and that's that middle of
the field deep player.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That's that middle of the field.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
If he's a whole play at the linebacker level, or
if he's a robber or thief at the safety level,
that's pretty much it. And so knowing the difference between
the two then allows you to decide how how you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Work your eyes.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Like if it's a man to man, most quarterbacks have
the idea of where they're going to the football because
they know the matchup they want.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
They've got Tyreek Hill on said cornerback right or whoever
you want.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
To talk about, Stefan Diggs versus whatever cornerback, and they
know that his route is going to win. So all
I'm doing then, is I'm trying to make sure I
hold that middle of the field safety. I don't want
him to get a beat on where I'm going with
the football. And that's how it plays out and zone
it's different, you know. In that case, you've got to
identify what type of zone it is, and then you've
got to sometimes move players because they're watching your eyes
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and they're gonna move as you move. You know, you
see LeVar and the defense they do all these balls
where they'll they'll kind of be dropping into coverage and
the quarterback will turn the shoulders of the right, they move,
they move that direction, they turn to the shoulders to
the left, they move that direction.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That that's how they're trained to move with the eyes
of the quarterback, and so you can use it to
your advantage.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
But a lot of young quarterbacks, you know, they get
in the league, they have so many of the things
they're thinking about, they naturally don't do it. Once you've
play as much as Daniel Jones has, you should you know,
you shouldn't be staring stuff down. So it's concerning to
hear that, you know, a player being able to say
that about him at this point in time of his career,
and I think the Giants, you know, hopefully they're not
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this early into this season sitting there saying, Hey, we
have a remorse about the contract we signed Daniel Jones
to because initially it was kind of only a one
year deal and then they restructured it to now it's
really a two year deal. If you're a Giants fan
and you're upset about Daniel Jones, I don't have any
good news for you because you are in his contract
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for the next two years. His dead cap is like
seventy million or something like that, so they're not moving
on from him, at least not until after the.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Twenty twenty four Seasoneez.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They're in trouble, That's all I could say. And I
don't know what that means for day Ball because if
you think about everything that has transpired, they have gone
through a lot of hey coaches as of la.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So it's kind of like, you're damned if you do,
you're damned if you don't. If you don't, it seems
like this isn't trending in the right direction in New York.
If you do, then you're taking another chance, and you're
taking another shot at it, especially if I'm saying in
terms of if you go in a different direction with
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a head coach and you know, for what it's worth,
I think it should be stated that there used to
be a time when a head coach was given, you know,
at least three years or so before you started really
really looking at the process of if you should stick
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or if you should move on that I feel like
that's changed dramatically. Like I don't feel like you get
is enough time to try to structurally and culturally build winner.
You're you're like instantly on the clock. And we've seen
some coaches come in and be able to prove the
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theory correct that you can get in and win. Now,
you know, I don't know how feasible that is for
every team in every scenario. I think they're all different.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
To your point, starting to interrupt four coaches in six years.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yes a lot man, Yeah, we do have to acknowledge
a couple things though, Like all the sacks you know,
know Andrew Thomas at left tackle that plays a factor.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Their own line was banged up. He's got to get
rid of the football.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
But like he was under duress the entire game, So
that hurts the Saquon injury has always played Daniel Jones,
you know he's not in there.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
The offense just doesn't look the same.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
They don't have the difference makers on the outside, and
they have Waller this year, but it's not quite you know,
taking the effect they had hoped it would at this point,
but without say, they don't have that other chess piece
who's effective running and catching the football, and the stats show,
I mean, whether it's for Daniel Jones just for this offense.
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So I like a lot of people are trying to
hit the panic button. I know the division is really
good because of Philly and Dallas looks good and Washington's
been competitive and the Giants look like the least competitive
this year.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's early. You know, they've got to kind of weather the.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Storm here, get guys back healthy. Then then you kind
of see what team you're dealing with.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Ye this year though, this year though.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
It's over that look like they're trending up. That's for certain.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Start getting ready for next year.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Did you do that with a bunch of teams last year?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah? Coming back around, it was so long ago, nobody remembers.
Everyone was probably listen, I focus on this year forget
about the past. The Giants are done and they're on
the list.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
The one in three football team that's only oh on
one in in the division.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So again, a lot of games left to be played.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't know seeing what I've seen, but and that's
why we talked about it yesterday when LeVar made the question,
who would you rather be a Giants fan or a
Jets fan? I'd rather be a Jets fan because oh no,
you made the question that was you. I would rather
be a Jets fan because at least I know Aaron
Rodgers is right around the corner, and by right around
(26:24):
the corner, I mean a couple of months because apparently
he's being aggressive with this this rehab for the Achilles.
So with the Giants, you're just locked into what Daniel
Jones is and all the other flaws that come along
with it. And I feel like if I'm the Jets,
at least I'm a little bit more optimistic on that front.
Although there are division is not anything to sleep on either,
(26:45):
So both feel like they're in a tough spot, but
there it is New York football, baby New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
The dead cap this year eighty one point five million.
If they were to release.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
The dead cap next year year sixty nine point three
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
To drop of the bucket.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And then then the question that comes, why do you
do a deal like that with a player that has
given you virtually no reason to trust and believe that
he should get a contract like that? So not even
making it a comparison, the Saquon just saying right and
like direct direct, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Two, yeah, why do you do that? Type? But they
tell you the.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Response because I had a chance to talk with some
of their front office folks this offseason, and I presented
my reservations about it, and you know, they were between
obviously having to throw the franchise tag on someone. It
was between him and Saquon, and they found themselves in
a scenario where they felt like, at least initially when
the first contract was signed, they had a player that
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they drafted in the first round. They believe in, you know,
his rookie year. He looked pretty good his rookie The
wins and losses didn't come. But I mean, in what
twelve starts he threw for three thousand yards was a
two to one touchdown interception ratio. I mean, that's not
bad for a rookie. It was sacked a decent amount
to that year, just in those twelve starts. It was
the prior two years where things got a little dicey,
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and then last year, you know, he played pretty well
and it wasn't prolific by any means, but their offense
wasn't really that right, I mean, fifteen touchdowns, only five interceptions,
But they felt like they had seen enough to be
able to give him an extension that's not resetting the
market that they could have moved on from, at least
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at that point after a year.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Now, they were.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Structured again before the season started, and that's when the
newest details of the contract came out. And that's what
makes it a little more difficult, you know, looking at
that decision now because things aren't working out.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Quite the way they thought.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
But you know, I also would say, you know, when
you look at their wide receiver group, who are you
looking at and saying, all right, like this is gonna
cause defenses to have to game plan different around them?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Right?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I don't know that you look at their depth start
and you're saying that about any of their wide receivers.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
No, they drafted Jalen Hyatt in the third round this year.
He's a rookie.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
It's hard to expect a lot out of rookies right away.
Why Noel Robinson's been fantastic. He's been that piece. They've
kind of move around and can do different things with
Isaiah Hodgens has you know, pitched in. Darius Slayton's been
good down the field. But I mean, is there anyone
that you're saying we need to change the construct of
our defense to account for this guy? No, probably not
(29:37):
outside of Waller or maybe when you see Saquon Barkley
of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, it does feel like Saquon Barkley was the lynchpin
to everything. And the numbers, as we talked about yesterday,
showed that last year when he was not in the lineup,
they were a different offense and Daniel Jones struggled and
he's not in the lineup and thus we get the
same results we've gotten last year. So, I mean, the
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There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
All right, lead to lap What do we got? Well,
as we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good, jonas you have the good this week? All right?
So the good is the Major League Baseball Playoffs are back.
No sport goes from a one level up to level
ten like Major League Baseball does. When the playoffs start,
everything is on the edge of your seat, and I
(33:16):
would argue it's getting close to I don't want to
put it on the same level, but it is getting
close to as exciting as the NHL playoffs because especially
lat in games when you're relying on bullpens, the fans
are nervous, especially these wild card series that go three games.
I love the MLB playoffs. I also love the way
(33:37):
they're presented, specifically on Fox. Big fan of the coverage
on Fox Fox. Okay, big fan of the coverage on Fox.
But nonetheless, in totality, the MLB Playoffs is as good
as it gets. And it's here, and this is the
best time of the season and best time of the
year for all of us, not just because of football,
(33:59):
but because of them be playoffs. And then you know,
the NBA starts off their season two much too early.
But no, never mind all that MLB postseasons here and
I'm happy about it. Well, guys can't have good without
the bad. LeVar, what was bad this week? Come on, bar.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
LeVar is going to give you the bed, all right,
because clearly Brady was supposed to be the bad and
the but I'll take it since my name. Somehow Someway
jumped in there after he started to go there. Uh yeah,
I mean I think it was the Jamel Charlo Canelo fight.
I mean, like many others, although there are a lot
(34:36):
of boxing enthusiasts that that or will say purists that
one is shame the idea that it was a boring
ass fight, but it was bad. Like Jamel Charlo did
not want to mix it up with Canelo. Canelo took
full advantage of the fact that he was dealing with
a guy he knew couldn't hurt him and got his
(35:00):
got his rounds in, got got a twelve rounder, and
got a decision and got up out of there. What
made it really bad for me is the fact that
you could tell at the end of the fight that
it just was it was a sparring match.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Neither one of them had had broke a real sweat,
neither one of them had any type of of I guess,
looks of being in a war, you know, and one
thing that you know you'd like to see when you
watch a box boxing matches, even if they are moving
around and being strategic in how they're pugilistically.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Engaging one another, it just didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
It had no action, It had no excitement, It had
no ads to it, it had no drama to it.
It was just like literally watching two guys spar in
the backyard. I thought it was bad. I thought it
was bad for boxing. You know, Canelo had nothing to prove.
Canelo has fought the best and has has done a
(36:01):
hell of a job building his his brand and building
his his you know kind of you know, credibility, but
not so much for Jamel Charlow. And everybody was expecting
the lion to come with you know, all the trash stock,
and it just wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
There's a lot of people who speculated is Canelo passed
his prime as he too old? And I can't await
from that going. I don't know because he never got No.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I don't think you could take anything away from that
fight because Jamel Charlo didn't give give us any reason
to think that he would be one thing or the other.
It wasn't challenging enough to see if he like, oh
whoa like is he going down that that deep dark
road to.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
The end like Brady even challenging enough. I scored it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Seven, right, that's what you had it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You can give him around check player recall. So yeah,
I don't know that there was a round to give.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Brady.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
So that was bad for me.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, from bad bad to worse from Brad, from.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Lev ar from to Brady. What was ugly this week?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Brady?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah, just so people underside, I understand behind the scenes
and in our little rundown, which is like our game
plan for the show Lee mistakenly v r l A vaar.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'm sorry, which rundown are Brady.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
That's a great question. I'm not sure which rendition of
the rundown it.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Was one of them. I've got like three this morning.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
So this is the ugly although I'm actually saying this
isn't ugly.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
This is actually what.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I'm gonna talk about is maybe more good, but it
could get ugly. So everyone knows that the Bills are
playing over in London against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, back to back weeks in London.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
How about this though, the New York Governor Kathy Hockel,
so there's a limit on alcohol sales in the morning
on Sundays, kind.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Of standards in most states.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
But because of the Bills playing over in London, which
the game kicks one like am Eastern time.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, she's actually permitting.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Bars and restaurants they can apply to sell alcohol at
eight am, specifically for this matchup for Bills fans. So
she's directing the State Liquor Authority, and she's extending the
deadline for what's considered special permits for sports bars restaurants
so they can serve early since the game.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Is gonna be on early.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
How about that so it's not ugly, although it could
get ugly.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Now now that early in the morning. What are you
guys going with? Bloody Mary?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Ye? Merry guy? You with screwdriver? Zy? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I just like Modello period. That's how I started drinking Modelos.
More than that breakfast, yeah, first time breakfast.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean, yeah, that's the standard protocol.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Right, Cinnamon Too's cron Modelo, same thing.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, more steak and eggs, potatoes, put up potatoes.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Mm hmmmm.
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Speaker 4 (01:24):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The New England Patriots have a long track record of success,
all the Super Bowls, you know, all the allegations that
there's no way they could possibly be this good. They
had the greatest player in the history of the NFL
and Tom Brady, who was you know, running the show
there for a long long time. Bill Belichick's chasing Don
Shula for all time career wins. But it does feel
(01:47):
like they've reached a point in the Belichick era where
things are starting to look completely the opposite of how
they did for all those games and all those years
when Tom Brady was there. Now there's a couple of
different layers to all this. The first layer we must
point to is the quarterback Mac Jones, who had an
awful game against Dallas Cowboys over the weekend. His offensive coordinator,
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Bill O'Brien though he has some faith that Mac Jones
is going to be able to figure this thing out
and don't worry about what happened this past Sunday, let's
focus on the future.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I thought that last game for Mac, some of the
decisions that he made were very uncharacteristic of Mac and
I think he'll he'll get back to doing it the
way you know, he knows how to do it, and
he's just trying to make a play. He's wanting to win.
He's very competitive and you know, maybe the plays weren't great.
So I have to be involved in that big time
with him. I understand that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I think you'll see a lot of improvement in Mac
as we keep moving forward here.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
All right, So a lot of optimism there.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
What's not You can't go too far backwards? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh geez?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I mean they say rock bottom is the best place
to start getting better.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean there's been there's been worse quarterback performing that
we've seen.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Is that? Can I ask you this?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Like, if I if I go through all of these teams,
name something they're offensive have in common? San Francisco, Philly, Buffalo,
Kansas City, Dallas, Miami, Baltimore, maybe Detroit, Tampa, and Seattle.
(03:28):
What's one thing offensively you think all these teams have
in common?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Uh, quarterback and wide receivers.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Okay, let's talk about the second part. Maybe with the
exception of you'd say Detroit. Even though I love Almon Ross,
Sam Brown, I think it's a hell of a player.
Josh Reynolds played out standing for them.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
You'd say, like, there's they have. They have dudes, they
have guys.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
They have a guy either a go to guy, guy
with speed like San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
With Brendan Ayuk and Deep Samuel Right.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Philly's got Devonte Smith, aj Brown, Buffalo's got Digs.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
I don't know, maybe that's the first one you go, Ah,
maybe maybe not, depending on how you look at their
their summary of pieces Dallas Ceedee Lamb, Brandon Cooks, Miami obviously,
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle Baltimore. I mean, they've got
obj but really say flowers are shot Bateman. I mean
every single one of these teams. Tampa you got Godwin,
you got Mike Evans, Seattle, DK, Tyler Lockett, Jackson Smith
(04:29):
and Jigba. They've all invested. They've all loaded their roster
with speed in dynamic playmaking ability. That has been the
Achilles Heel for Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots
in drafting and identifying those big time star wide receivers.
Outside of having Randy Moss and you could say Edelman,
you could say Wes Welker. They found those guys in
(04:51):
the later rounds and not the same type of player
I'm talking about. It's just I think that's the one
position they have, really he has because he's the general manager,
consistently missed on and they and you've got to have
that in today's game, and they don't. And I think
it's showing up right now in their offense with what
(05:13):
it looks.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like it's really been tight end played. That's been a
successful of them with Gronk, even when Aaron Hernandez was there,
Nikhil Harry, they tried that that didn't work and work. Yeah, there,
it's they're they're definitely lacking that department.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
They've had slot receivers though, like you guys said, and
like Edelman and e Mon Doola and.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
But those are late picks that guys like Edelman, who
is a quarterback that converted to wide receiver, he wasn't
And so it's not like you're talking about a number
one one bona fit.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It's true because even going back to Troy Brown and
David Patton, they weren't necessarily and Givens they weren't ones.
So I mean it makes sense, and and and then
you makes you wonder why they haven't. I mean, they
did Randy Moss at one point, but it was always
back in two thousand and seven, right, they almost went
(06:08):
undefeated widhim, and maybe they need to make a move
like that.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
But like, literally, let me go.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I can go through the years of where they've drafted
guys like this year they drafted Kashawn Buoyd out of
LSU in the sixth round. You know, two years ago
uh Taekwon Thornton in the second round. Nothing's really you know,
come from that, Trey Nixon the year before that in
the seventh round. You actually go back to the twenty
twenty draft, they didn't draft one wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Twenty nineteen is the year they drafted a first round pick.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
And to kill Harry who's now just was activated with
the Minnesota Vikings, Braxton Barrios is no longer with the team.
Back in twenty eighteen, that was a sixth round pick.
I mean, you go through the year twenty seventeen, no
wide receivers drafted twenty sixteen Malcolm Mitchell in the fourth round.
I mean, it's they really have not looked at this
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position in the draft at All twenty fifteen, no Wide
Receivers twenty fourteen, seventh round pick, and Jeremy Gallon out
of Michigan, Aaron Dobson second round twenty thirteen, Jeremy Ebert
seventh round twenty twelve, Josh Boyce, fourth round pick.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I mean they just have another hole any sign. I
hate to say it. Why this? Those aren't significant names?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
No, And that's what I'm saying is if you go
back and if you look at like Brendan Ayuk, was
he a late first round pick, I'm not mistaken. Second
Debo was a second round Ayuk might have been second,
but you look at like go through the DeVante Smith
first round pick. Aj Brown was a second end up
trading for him being a boatload might as well be
a first round. Stephan Diggs was a later round pick,
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but obviously Buffalo ended up bringing in for a boat
lead because they saw he's a difference maker, right ken
Sley Chiefs. When they had Tyreek Hill, he was kind
of more converted, but then they paid him because he
became that and they haven't necessarily spent as much juice
on that since.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But we'll see if that doesn't changed. See Lamb first
round pick.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
I mean Miami Dolphins waddle first round pick like there's
so many Rashad Bateman with the Baltimore Ravens first round pick.
Save Flowers was also a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Was he second?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Zay Flowers was a second? I believe mightn't know. He
might have been a late first.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think it was a late first.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah, you know it's and obviously Miami gave up a
ton to get tyreek Hill there. Mike Evans first round pick,
Chris Conan was a second round pick. Metcalf's second round
pick fell to them though, right, Jackson Smith and Jigba
first round pick.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Don't care what team you're talking about. Browns they have
a Mario Cooper former first round pick. I mean, you
go through the list of teams they've invested, and they've
looked at the wide receiver position and said one of
two things. We need to find a dependable number one
guy we can throw a fifty to fifty ball up
to that's going to make a play or when he's
double covered. Or we need a guy who can separate
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a guy with extreme speed. They've either founded via the
draft high in the first round or somewhere in the
first round, second round, or they go find it in
free agency, or they go trade for it. The Patriots
have not bought into it, and I think it's killed
them since Tom Brady's left, and honestly even towards the
end of Tom Brady's tenure there. And I think he
saw it because when he went to Tampa, he brings Gronk.
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They've got got one, They've got Mike Evans, they've got
these other pieces. He probably looked at that roster said
this is better for what this league is at right now.
And tell me this, when were the two years where
Tom Brady threw the football most in his career.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I mean last two years, right.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Last two years in Tampa.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Yeah, And so you get a glimpse of maybe what
Tom wanted to be and one to do his entire
time in New England, and maybe Bill Belichick didn't want
to do that. I just think there's there's there hasn't
been a focus and more concern over getting that position right,
especially now around Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I think that's hurt their offense in a big way.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And like Juju Smith schuster Man, there's been talks that
his knee has not been one hundred percent since he's
been there. Like that, that seems like it's not going well.
I thought they were the team that should bid and
out bid Tennessee for DeAndre Hopkins, like if he was
there and available and in for a visit. That felt
like that was a move that they should have made.
(10:22):
And he ended up going with Tennessee because they probably
offered him more money. Like that, that felt like that
where that should go. But yeah, it's and then you
know on top of all that, now you go to
the defensive side. Matthew Judon's got that bicep tear, the
lower bicep tend and tear. He's going to be out
a couple of months.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Christiansen, that's a tremendous blow terror.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That was if there was one guy to say you
couldn't lose on that team in order for them to
have a chance to have some real success, it'd been him.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And give them credit for this. He's been a great signing.
That's been one of those free agent signings that they
brought over that that has worked out really well. But
like Christian Gonzalez, the rookie cornerback, he's been off to
a great start now he's dealing with an injury. It
just it feels like, and I'm not saying this to
be funny, their goals should not be to make the playoffs.
It should be to not finish in last place in
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their division. You gotta have that one up on the Jets.
You gotta have it. They lost Rogers. That's where a think,
that's where we're moving the goalpost on success for the Patriots.
Forget playoffs, just don't finish in dead last in that division.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Well, everyone's gonna look at the quarterbacks and you're gonna say, well,
how would you rank the quarterbacks in the AFC East. Now,
I'm saying, if Rogers is healthy, you wouldn't put mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Above any of the other things.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
No way, Okay, So then what do you need to
do in order to compete? Do you need to surround
him with more talent?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Then yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
And if you're gonna rank the wide receivers in the AFCs,
would you put the Patriots above anyone else in that division?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
No, No, I.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Mean Digson and Gabe Davis are a better combination than
anything the Patriots have. I mean, Garret Wilson, I mean
and whoever you want to pair him with for the Jets, Yeah,
Blizard probably are you know, Cabo and whoever you want
to talking about their supporting cast. But it's like that's
that to me is just for whatever reason, it like
flies uner the radar. I think when talking about the
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concerns about this New England Patriots offense, the team in general,
and now defensively, Judon's out and then you got Christian
Gonzalez who's banged up their first round pick, who's been fantastic.
And by the way, that's not like saying that New
England hasn't gotten picks right at other positions.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
They have.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
They've been really successful to drafting defensive players, especially in
the first round, and finding other players. It's just, for
whatever reason, the wide receiver positions one they haven't focused
on and other teams have and other teams are surpassing
them right now.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you think that was also part of the reason
why And we'll probably touch on this later on because
he's been in the news recently, but do you think
that's part of the reason why Josh McDaniels elected to
leave when he did, because it felt like he was
the heir apparent, that that's where that was headed for
Belichick and he just decided, Eh, let me go take
the Raiders gig, and just I wonder if he saw
(13:02):
the writing on the wall and just realized, Man, there's
not a whole hell of a lot to work with here,
and I'd rather go. If I'm going to strike, I'd
rather go now before I start taking a hit a
lah Matt Canada. But for different reasons striking, Yeah, I
start taking the hit because our offense isn't producing, because
we don't have guys that we can depend on that
can compete at the same level as some of these
other guys in the division. I wonder if that was
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part of the reason.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That still could probably work out, though he might not
be in in in Las Vegas much longer, so he
could end up back in New England if it doesn't
work out.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Who's to say that that still can't work out.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I mean, it's funny the outside perception of the Raiders
right now, granted one in three and they're they're tied
in the division at one and one, is that everyone
once I'm fired, Mark Davis has been adamantly defending him.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Damn righty is And it's interesting and I'm.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Not saying the Raiders are a playoff team. I didn't
think they would be this year. But they're one and
one in the division. They're one and three overall, like
a team that's five hundred in their division only played
two games so far.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
They're not out of it. I mean you'd be. You'd
be more like, you'd be.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Hard pressed to find any team right now that's completely
out of it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Like the teams that I get concerned with, other Bengals.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Who are already oh in two in the division. You know,
the Browns who are one and two in the division.
Like you start looking through some of the teams that
are already that played a lot of divisional games early,
are already behind the eight ball Panthers oh into in
the division. Yeah, then that record hits a little different
because at least you have the chance of winning your
division and hopefully being able to then make in the
(14:39):
playoffs that way. But if you haven't played many divisional
games of a bad record, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Like you win your division, you still got a shot.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, it's a mess. Well, listen, you know they got
all those Super bowls they can look back on and
everybody can celebrate and have fun with that, and at
least they can hang their hat on that if you're
the New England Patriots. And Bill O'Brien's is he's not
worried about what's going on with mac Jones. Plus, the
thing with mac Jones is you never know when he
throws a pick whether or not he's going to light
somebody up on defense with a dirty play, and that
to me is a heartwarming tale if.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Something lights them up or ta bag.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Him whatever that too, gator roll like you name it,
gator roll, tea bag, anything you want, Mac Jones will provide,
especially if he's trying to get some revenge on a pick.
I like him. He's very feisty, that mac Jones like it. Yeah,
it's uh, he's got a little Belichick in him almost.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, he's got a little something to him.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
A little confused.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I like the guy. Yeah, I want to dap him
up and maybe a high five would Yeah? Jonas get it.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You want to do top gun?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah? Top gun?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh yeah right there.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Effects but we got in our own bet you see
how long?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You see how long Brady's arms are?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Come on? Yeah it again? Yeah, top gun is my
favorite thing. Yeah that Jonas times it up.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well, yeah, I just felt like this this this time around.
I don't know that you guys executed as well.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We're talking about come.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I didn't feel as impressed like it's usually pretty pretty impressive.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
This one. I was kind of right here we go
up top. That was a good one. You told.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Just when I thought you guys couldn't be any more
off on your timing, you go and do this and
totally redeem yourself. That last one was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm telling you, man, that one was good. Arms like that.
You can't let those go to waste.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Give me one more, take us to break with one, man,
give me, give me one good one. Give me one
last good one.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
All right, so we'll take you to break with it.
Here it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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So it did not go well for Daniel Jones and
the New York Giants on primetime. That did not go
well whatsoever at all. Pretty pretty awful showing for them
on Monday Night football against the Seattle Seahawks. And get
(18:10):
the man. Yeah, I got that one right. How about it?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You call money?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah? I told you, And I love Brian day Ball
dump truck Nuts, loved everything about him. Last year, I
just I was not confident in where this was headed,
and it felt like there was a lot of people
who thought, maybe they paid the wrong guy, maybe they
should have paid Saquan and you know, figured out a
way to franchise Daniel Jones, and you know, there was
(18:35):
a deadline that was set and you had there. They're
even their GM who spoke out and said, well, you know,
we probably probably should have picked up that fifth year option.
You know, if we would have known this was going
to happen, we would have gone that direction. But nonetheless,
he got a long term deal. He didn't play well.
One of the highlights of that game for the Seahawks
was Devin Witherspoon, the stud rookie from Illinois who we
(18:57):
talked about yesterday, who returned the interception all the way
for the touchdown, and he said that he noticed something
when it came to Daniel Jones. Here he was on
NF on that work post game, we were just trusting
the game playing the coach laid out for us.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
We knew he like to started down his first target,
so he had his back turn.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
A lot of guys and when they went to one
metsups up front man side outside D line.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Without you, we could have made the play that we made.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So Brady as a quarterback, when your reputation around the
league is that you like to stare down in your
first target, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, it means you have to stir down your first target.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and how's that going to go?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Not?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Well, I need to get a lot of pick six's
things of that nature. I mean, that's so in a nutshell,
that's one of the things that after playing this long
in the league, it shouldn't be the case for him.
That shouldn't be something that you get from a scouting report.
Most coordinators, and Brian Dable does a pretty good job
(19:50):
of this, They give you a man zone indicator, so
pretty simple football. If it's man, none of the guys
are looking at you. You why, because they're looking at
the guy they're covering. So there's only usually either a
middle of the field safety, potentially two safeties if it's
two man, or like a whole player either at the
(20:13):
linebacker spot or coming from the secondary like maybe he's
a robber or thief.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
They will call them those.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Only guys who are really watching your eyes. Now it's
zone coverage, different story. Those guys who are playing off coverage,
they might be matching at some point, meaning it plays
out more like man, But at least initially, they're watching
the eyes of the quarterback. And you've got to know
that because you can manipulate the defense with your eyes
if it's zone, because everyone's looking at you. If it's man,
(20:42):
there's only one player you gotta be worried about who's
gonna be looking at you, and that's that middle of
the field deep player.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That's that middle of the field.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
If he's a whole play at the linebacker level, or
if he's a robber or thief at the safety level,
that's pretty much it. And so knowing the difference between
the two then allows you to decide how how you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Work your eyes.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Like if it's a man to man, most quarterbacks have
the idea of where they're going to the football because
they know the matchup they want.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
They've got Tyreek Hill on said cornerback right or whoever
you want.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
To talk about, Stefan Diggs versus whatever cornerback, and they
know that his route is going to win. So all
I'm doing then, is I'm trying to make sure I
hold that middle of the field safety. I don't want
him to get a beat on where I'm going with
the football. And that's how it plays out and zone
it's different, you know. In that case, you've got to
identify what type of zone it is, and then you've
got to sometimes move players because they're watching your eyes
(21:35):
and they're gonna move as you move. You know, you
see LeVar and the defense they do all these balls
where they'll they'll kind of be dropping into coverage and
the quarterback will turn the shoulders of the right, they move,
they move that direction, they turn to the shoulders to
the left, they move that direction.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That that's how they're trained to move with the eyes
of the quarterback, and so you can use it to
your advantage.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
But a lot of young quarterbacks, you know, they get
in the league, they have so many of the things
they're thinking about, they naturally don't do it. Once you've
play as much as Daniel Jones has, you should you know,
you shouldn't be staring stuff down. So it's concerning to
hear that, you know, a player being able to say
that about him at this point in time of his career,
and I think the Giants, you know, hopefully they're not
(22:14):
this early into this season sitting there saying, Hey, we
have a remorse about the contract we signed Daniel Jones
to because initially it was kind of only a one
year deal and then they restructured it to now it's
really a two year deal. If you're a Giants fan
and you're upset about Daniel Jones, I don't have any
good news for you because you are in his contract
(22:34):
for the next two years. His dead cap is like
seventy million or something like that, so they're not moving
on from him, at least not until after the.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Twenty twenty four Seasoneez.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They're in trouble, That's all I could say. And I
don't know what that means for day Ball because if
you think about everything that has transpired, they have gone
through a lot of hey coaches as of la.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So it's kind of like, you're damned if you do,
you're damned if you don't. If you don't, it seems
like this isn't trending in the right direction in New York.
If you do, then you're taking another chance, and you're
taking another shot at it, especially if I'm saying in
terms of if you go in a different direction with
(23:23):
a head coach and you know, for what it's worth,
I think it should be stated that there used to
be a time when a head coach was given, you know,
at least three years or so before you started really
really looking at the process of if you should stick
(23:47):
or if you should move on that I feel like
that's changed dramatically. Like I don't feel like you get
is enough time to try to structurally and culturally build winner.
You're you're like instantly on the clock. And we've seen
some coaches come in and be able to prove the
(24:08):
theory correct that you can get in and win. Now,
you know, I don't know how feasible that is for
every team in every scenario. I think they're all different.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
To your point, starting to interrupt four coaches in six years.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yes a lot man, Yeah, we do have to acknowledge
a couple things though, Like all the sacks you know,
know Andrew Thomas at left tackle that plays a factor.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Their own line was banged up. He's got to get
rid of the football.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
But like he was under duress the entire game, So
that hurts the Saquon injury has always played Daniel Jones,
you know he's not in there.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
The offense just doesn't look the same.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
They don't have the difference makers on the outside, and
they have Waller this year, but it's not quite you know,
taking the effect they had hoped it would at this point,
but without say, they don't have that other chess piece
who's effective running and catching the football, and the stats show,
I mean, whether it's for Daniel Jones just for this offense.
(25:08):
So I like a lot of people are trying to
hit the panic button. I know the division is really
good because of Philly and Dallas looks good and Washington's
been competitive and the Giants look like the least competitive
this year.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's early. You know, they've got to kind of weather the.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Storm here, get guys back healthy. Then then you kind
of see what team you're dealing with.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Ye this year though, this year though.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
It's over that look like they're trending up. That's for certain.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Start getting ready for next year.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Did you do that with a bunch of teams last year?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah? Coming back around, it was so long ago, nobody remembers.
Everyone was probably listen, I focus on this year forget
about the past. The Giants are done and they're on
the list.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
The one in three football team that's only oh on
one in in the division.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So again, a lot of games left to be played.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't know seeing what I've seen, but and that's
why we talked about it yesterday when LeVar made the question,
who would you rather be a Giants fan or a
Jets fan? I'd rather be a Jets fan because oh no,
you made the question that was you. I would rather
be a Jets fan because at least I know Aaron
Rodgers is right around the corner, and by right around
(26:24):
the corner, I mean a couple of months because apparently
he's being aggressive with this this rehab for the Achilles.
So with the Giants, you're just locked into what Daniel
Jones is and all the other flaws that come along
with it. And I feel like if I'm the Jets,
at least I'm a little bit more optimistic on that front.
Although there are division is not anything to sleep on either,
(26:45):
So both feel like they're in a tough spot, but
there it is New York football, baby New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
The dead cap this year eighty one point five million.
If they were to release.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
The dead cap next year year sixty nine point three
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
To drop of the bucket.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And then then the question that comes, why do you
do a deal like that with a player that has
given you virtually no reason to trust and believe that
he should get a contract like that? So not even
making it a comparison, the Saquon just saying right and
like direct direct, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Two, yeah, why do you do that? Type? But they
tell you the.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Response because I had a chance to talk with some
of their front office folks this offseason, and I presented
my reservations about it, and you know, they were between
obviously having to throw the franchise tag on someone. It
was between him and Saquon, and they found themselves in
a scenario where they felt like, at least initially when
the first contract was signed, they had a player that
(27:49):
they drafted in the first round. They believe in, you know,
his rookie year. He looked pretty good his rookie The
wins and losses didn't come. But I mean, in what
twelve starts he threw for three thousand yards was a
two to one touchdown interception ratio. I mean, that's not
bad for a rookie. It was sacked a decent amount
to that year, just in those twelve starts. It was
the prior two years where things got a little dicey,
(28:12):
and then last year, you know, he played pretty well
and it wasn't prolific by any means, but their offense
wasn't really that right, I mean, fifteen touchdowns, only five interceptions,
But they felt like they had seen enough to be
able to give him an extension that's not resetting the
market that they could have moved on from, at least
(28:34):
at that point after a year.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Now, they were.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Structured again before the season started, and that's when the
newest details of the contract came out. And that's what
makes it a little more difficult, you know, looking at
that decision now because things aren't working out.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Quite the way they thought.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
But you know, I also would say, you know, when
you look at their wide receiver group, who are you
looking at and saying, all right, like this is gonna
cause defenses to have to game plan different around them?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Right?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I don't know that you look at their depth start
and you're saying that about any of their wide receivers.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
No, they drafted Jalen Hyatt in the third round this year.
He's a rookie.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
It's hard to expect a lot out of rookies right away.
Why Noel Robinson's been fantastic. He's been that piece. They've
kind of move around and can do different things with
Isaiah Hodgens has you know, pitched in. Darius Slayton's been
good down the field. But I mean, is there anyone
that you're saying we need to change the construct of
our defense to account for this guy? No, probably not
(29:37):
outside of Waller or maybe when you see Saquon Barkley
of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, it does feel like Saquon Barkley was the lynchpin
to everything. And the numbers, as we talked about yesterday,
showed that last year when he was not in the lineup,
they were a different offense and Daniel Jones struggled and
he's not in the lineup and thus we get the
same results we've gotten last year. So, I mean, the
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bad and lovely.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
All right, lead to lap What do we got? Well,
as we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good, jonas you have the good this week? All right?
So the good is the Major League Baseball Playoffs are back.
No sport goes from a one level up to level
ten like Major League Baseball does. When the playoffs start,
everything is on the edge of your seat, and I
(33:16):
would argue it's getting close to I don't want to
put it on the same level, but it is getting
close to as exciting as the NHL playoffs because especially
lat in games when you're relying on bullpens, the fans
are nervous, especially these wild card series that go three games.
I love the MLB playoffs. I also love the way
(33:37):
they're presented, specifically on Fox. Big fan of the coverage
on Fox Fox. Okay, big fan of the coverage on Fox.
But nonetheless, in totality, the MLB Playoffs is as good
as it gets. And it's here, and this is the
best time of the season and best time of the
year for all of us, not just because of football,
(33:59):
but because of them be playoffs. And then you know,
the NBA starts off their season two much too early.
But no, never mind all that MLB postseasons here and
I'm happy about it. Well, guys can't have good without
the bad. LeVar, what was bad this week? Come on, bar.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
LeVar is going to give you the bed, all right,
because clearly Brady was supposed to be the bad and
the but I'll take it since my name. Somehow Someway
jumped in there after he started to go there. Uh yeah,
I mean I think it was the Jamel Charlo Canelo fight.
I mean, like many others, although there are a lot
(34:36):
of boxing enthusiasts that that or will say purists that
one is shame the idea that it was a boring
ass fight, but it was bad. Like Jamel Charlo did
not want to mix it up with Canelo. Canelo took
full advantage of the fact that he was dealing with
a guy he knew couldn't hurt him and got his
(35:00):
got his rounds in, got got a twelve rounder, and
got a decision and got up out of there. What
made it really bad for me is the fact that
you could tell at the end of the fight that
it just was it was a sparring match.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Neither one of them had had broke a real sweat,
neither one of them had any type of of I guess,
looks of being in a war, you know, and one
thing that you know you'd like to see when you
watch a box boxing matches, even if they are moving
around and being strategic in how they're pugilistically.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Engaging one another, it just didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
It had no action, It had no excitement, It had
no ads to it, it had no drama to it.
It was just like literally watching two guys spar in
the backyard. I thought it was bad. I thought it
was bad for boxing. You know, Canelo had nothing to prove.
Canelo has fought the best and has has done a
(36:01):
hell of a job building his his brand and building
his his you know kind of you know, credibility, but
not so much for Jamel Charlow. And everybody was expecting
the lion to come with you know, all the trash stock,
and it just wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
There's a lot of people who speculated is Canelo passed
his prime as he too old? And I can't await
from that going. I don't know because he never got No.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I don't think you could take anything away from that
fight because Jamel Charlo didn't give give us any reason
to think that he would be one thing or the other.
It wasn't challenging enough to see if he like, oh
whoa like is he going down that that deep dark
road to.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
The end like Brady even challenging enough. I scored it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Seven, right, that's what you had it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You can give him around check player recall. So yeah,
I don't know that there was a round to give.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Brady.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
So that was bad for me.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, from bad bad to worse from Brad, from.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Lev ar from to Brady. What was ugly this week?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Brady?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah, just so people underside, I understand behind the scenes
and in our little rundown, which is like our game
plan for the show Lee mistakenly v r l A vaar.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'm sorry, which rundown are Brady.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
That's a great question. I'm not sure which rendition of
the rundown it.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Was one of them. I've got like three this morning.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
So this is the ugly although I'm actually saying this
isn't ugly.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
This is actually what.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I'm gonna talk about is maybe more good, but it
could get ugly. So everyone knows that the Bills are
playing over in London against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, back to back weeks in London.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
How about this though, the New York Governor Kathy Hockel,
so there's a limit on alcohol sales in the morning
on Sundays, kind.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Of standards in most states.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
But because of the Bills playing over in London, which
the game kicks one like am Eastern time.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, she's actually permitting.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Bars and restaurants they can apply to sell alcohol at
eight am, specifically for this matchup for Bills fans. So
she's directing the State Liquor Authority, and she's extending the
deadline for what's considered special permits for sports bars restaurants
so they can serve early since the game.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Is gonna be on early.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
How about that so it's not ugly, although it could
get ugly.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Now now that early in the morning. What are you
guys going with? Bloody Mary?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Ye? Merry guy? You with screwdriver? Zy? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I just like Modello period. That's how I started drinking Modelos.
More than that breakfast, yeah, first time breakfast.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean, yeah, that's the standard protocol.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Right, Cinnamon Too's cron Modelo, same thing.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, more steak and eggs, potatoes, put up potatoes.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Mm hmmmm.
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