March 6, 2026 • 39 mins
Jason Fitz & Buck Reising fill in for the guys and talk about the Duke/UNC rivalry and if Duke is still as hated as they once were, Kyler Murray being tied to the Minnesota Vikings, the next fight for Logan Paul, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There are certain matchups that are bigger than the sport
they're in. There are certain rivalries that mean more to everybody,
and there are certain moments that all you have to
do is call out the teams and suddenly we're all interested.
While everybody's sleeping and trying to figure out what's going
on in the NFL over the course of the next week,
and we're all talking about tanking in the NBA, all
of these different things. College basketball gives us what is
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arguably the greatest rivalry in all of sports this weekend
when they give us Duke North Carolina, and the question
is does it hit as hard as it used to?
He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitzbucket Fits on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I think it's important to admit my bias right as
we start this conversation. There is no team in all
of sports, in all of sports, I don't care what
sport we're talking about. There is no team in all
of sports that I hate more than duke basketball. There
is no team like when I flashback to a little
fat me as a kid sitting there, you know, grew
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up a UNLV fan. I have one videotape, a one
tape for my entire life growing up.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
My parents didn't have a camquard. We didn't have that money.
We weren't rich.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So I have one videotape of my entire life growing up,
and on the side of it, all it says is
one O three seventy three that would be UNLV beating
Duke for the national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I remember where I was the.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Next year when a very very very heavily favored UNLV
team was undefeated and they went into the final four
a heavy favorite against Duke, and they lost and I cried.
I cried, and it stuck with me, and I hated Duke.
Like the first time I ever met Jay Will in ESPN,
the first thing I told him.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Is I hate Duke like I hate Duke. I can't
say that loud enough that being said.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Not even a hello, how are you great career? I
love your work, just I hate Duke.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I hate Duke.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think it's important to established these things. You know
Jay Will as a friend. Now it's a but he understands,
he understands my hate show. So you think, yeah, that's right,
I consider j Will a friend. I'm not sure you know.
I'll text him to see if he text me back,
we'll get an answer on that. But it just feels
like amazingly John Shire took over for coach Krzyzewski a few.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Years ago and something changed. I don't know if it's
the one and done world that we're living in. I
don't know if it's just Shire has a different approach.
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I just when I look around and I'm like, where
are my brothers and sisters in hate of Duke?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I don't feel like I have it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Like it's interesting that this rivalry maybe feels like a
little less heat to me because I don't think Duke
right now has a roster full of Christian Latner like
villains that everybody's obsessed with. It feels like some of
the hatred for Duke has worn off across the sports landscape.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
How much do you think.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The hate was predicated off of Duke because they have
had hateable players, right, I mean that's very much yes,
in their DNA across history, whether it's Lightner or whether
it's J. J. Reddick, Oh my god, who's the guy
that played for the Grizzlies for a little while, like
the Grayson Allen right, like they have had. I know
that Grayson Allen is not like the other two, but
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like you understand my meeting, they have had hatable players
in their history. How much do you think that hate, though,
dissipates because coach Ky is not there, Because Skryzewski is
also not necessarily endearing. I mean he's great, right, He's
excellent and deserving of the legendary status that he holds
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and all the things that he accomplished across his career,
especially at that program. I mean, he's iconic for a reason,
but he's he's got a lot of the I don't know,
he's got a lot of the Belichick stuff to him, right,
just in terms of how he carries himself, the way
that he speaks, some of these press conference moments that
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go that would make the rounds, whether he's just snapping
in a student reporter or something like that. Like he's
had these moments and Kay is not necessarily I think
after you know, during the retirement tour, everybody's and heaping,
you know, love and affection on coach Skoshevsky. But once
once he goes, I think, like I don't hate John Shire,
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you know, I don't think that they don't. They don't
seem like the death Star to me anymore. Now, maybe
that's because I've I've never me personally, I've never had
that kind of hatred for Duke as a program.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I know a lot of people have. For me.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That's Kentucky. I have hated Kentucky basketball my entire life.
It's because Indiana and Kentucky, I mean used to be
a rivalry. I feel that way about Purdue. I feel
that way about Kentucky. I do not feel that way
about Duke. So maybe I'm speaking from a place of ignorance,
but that a lot of that seemed too dry up
after Kay retired.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, and to that point, I mean, think about the
way we used to talk about Alabama football and Nick Saban.
Nick Saban over like, I'm not sure much of Saban's
stick has changed. It just went from always a grumpy
coach that nobody likes, like Savan's out here being Saban
and now when he's the exact same person on game day,
it's endearing and it's your papa that everybody wants to
hang out with, right like, It's it's wild the change
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that comes from maybe not having the same level of
dominance too, like if Shire turns around and wins two
or three national championships in the next five years. It's
an interesting portion of American pop culture. This came up
the other day on one of my Yahu shows, because
if anyone hasn't seen it, you should look at it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Look it up.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
The reception in Japan for Sho hey O Tani has
been absolutely incredible. They filled a stadium, like a full
on stadium for his batting practice. Right, it's like watching
Michael Jackson in the heat of the eighties, Like when
he's over in Japan, everybody's flocking to him. They're following
him everywhere that he's got security. It's like beatles Mania
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for everything show he's doing in Japan, which started as
sort of a conversation we were having about what it
takes to be that in here, like who would be
the American superstar that transcends globally that way? And one
thing that's interesting to me is that in America, this
is just the way that we've always run our superstars.
You have to have a certain level of success to
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then where you become loved and hated all at once,
Like you have to have an equal amount of people
that feels like on one side, it's just the way
that we work.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So like, no matter what Lebron does.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Now, for the rest of his career, they're gonna be
people that are like, oh, Lebron's not Michael, I hate Lebron,
I hate the decision whatever it is. Right, Like Kad
suddenly became polarizing because he decided to go to Golden State.
And you know, Stu Gotts doesn't acknowledge those championships, right
Like Tom Brady? Is Tom Brady the ultimate super Bowl champion?
Or is he the guy that deflates balls and you know,
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cheats every time he possiblely get Like this is what
we do with any level of real success. Like you
have to have a certain level of success to become
transcendent in our culture. You have to have a certain
level of success to where you become both loved and
hated at the same time. Even Like go back to
music in the eighties, there was one year where bon
Jovi was voted the best and worst band in Rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Stone in the same year.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, we have to either love or hate something for
it to transcend in popularity. And I'm not sure that Duke.
Maybe Duke needs to win a bunch of championships. So
then they're so successful under Shire that they then become
again both loved and hated.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Well, and then there's the component of this game specifically, right,
because I do think it has a little bit more
juice if Caleb Wilson was medically clear to play. It
doesn't sound like, at least as of today or yesterday
when last there was some reporting on this. They're star freshman.
He's been one of the he's been one of the
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biggest reasons why North Carolina hasn't really been able to
climb back up into the second I understand they're still
hanging onto their ranking, but still he's had a hand fracture.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
At this point, he.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Is, He's a really big piece of this puzzle as
far as making this a more compelling game, kind of
bringing that additional juice to the rivalry. If I'm not mistaken,
he's missed six games since he hurt that left hand,
And I know Hubert Davis was asked about it earlier
this week yesterday in fact, and you know there's individual
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workout stuff that's going on. I'd be surprised to see
him out there this weekend. So I think that also,
at least for this specific version of that rivalry is
taking a little bit of juice from it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You're right, but as we sit right now in North
Carolina is number seventeen, and as we sit right now,
Duke's number one. Yeah, and I just like Duke's number
one after going in and what a game against Michigan
that you know, when Michigan was number one, Duke was
three or four, and everybody was obsessed with what it
would look like. And you know, Boozer has come out
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and been everything that you could possibly want Booze to be, right, Like,
It's just it's funny to me because I can't say
that Duke has slip on. That's impossible. They're the number
one team in the country. I just don't remember the
last time Duke was number one taking on UNC and
it felt like it had this little amount of heat
and that you know that in part, you're right, and
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that's on the North Carolina side for this, But these
are two ranked teams.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
North Carolina has the chance to sweep Duke. This year.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
North Carolina finished this year undefeated at home. They have
the chance to sweep Duke. They have the chance to
make a massive statement before the ACC Tournament in this
matchup between two teams that are both in the top
twenty and Duke is number one. Like, I just feel
like most years we would be sitting here all week
and we would just be drowning in Duke, North Carolina.
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You know, best of the lineups, best history, best matchups, and.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It just doesn't have that same level.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And I wonder part of I think we're onto something
here that part of that is Shire, and part.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Of it is that Booze as a star is just.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's kind of a likable kid, you know, like he's
just he's not Christian Lehtner or Grayson Allen or JJ.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Like he's kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A likable dude. Like it's fun watching and play. There's
a there's a certain joy to what they're doing. So
it's a it's a change, and I don't know if
it's good change, you're bad change. It just feels different,
like growing up watching wrestling in the eighties, which I
reference all the time with your book, Like one of
the interesting things was sometimes they be a face and
sometimes they be a heel. Like there'd be a chapter
where Macho Man was a good guy. In chapter where
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Macho Man was a bad guy. I think we're in
the babyface chapter of Duke. I think we're in the
chapter where people like going into this season, this postseason,
going into this tournament. I don't think you're going to
have the same level of I watch Duke just to
hate watch Duke. I think you've got a lot of
people out there that are like, oh man, this deep
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, And I don't know, I kind of like that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You you can have those different phases for a program,
like you don't have to think the same way about
a program its entire existence or a player that's their
entire career. This is not an uncommon story arc, right.
I think Lebron is a good example of this, where
you're lovable in Cleveland, you're hateable when you go join
up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh and Miami. Then
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you come back to Cleveland you're the hero again. I
don't really know, you know how much how much polarization
there is around Lebron's Lakers.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Tenure at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Brady the same, right, And we're talking about things that
have obviously achieved at an incredibly high level for their
entire careers or in the case of Duke is a
basketball program its entire existence that you can you can
go through these these cycles and and get a different
experience in different eras of whatever it is that you're
talking about. So if Duke gets to be likable for
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a period of time very soon, they won't be right.
That's just that's not we don't allow you to be
that kind of I mean, you can't even call them
a lovable underdog or anything like that. They're the number
one team in the country. They're killing people. They have.
They've won seven straight since they lost that game to
you and UNC in early. I mean, he's a little
it'll be a month ago tomorrow if I'm not mistaken,
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followed up by that neutral court when at Michigan that
we talked about, and then they just drummed Virginia by
twenty six after that, so they've just they've been on
a tear. There's no reason to look at Duke and think, oh, lovable,
plucky underdog Duke, right, That's not what this is. But
the team itself, the coach, I think just kind of
the vibe that they project is not what you are
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you are accustomed to feeling about that specific basketball program.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Which I think is fun.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
There are plenty vibes to get in your breakdown, but
we are only days away from the start of NFL
free agency. Kyler Murray is going to be one of
the biggest names coming up.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
There's one team out there that just doesn't make sense
for him.
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having a good time. Monday is a big day because
it's the beginning of what they call legal tampering, which
is just such a weird way to term it, but
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for anyone that doesn't know, the league year for the
NFL starts on Wednesday, so the way this works, on Monday,
teams can start contacting players. They enacted this air quotes
legal tampering rule because what was happening is that free
agency was opening. About thirty seconds into free agency, there'd
be an announcement of a massive, complicated contract, and the
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question was, how did you work that out in thirty seconds?
So now they let them start working it out Monday.
It gets a little complicated with some players though, because
some players will not be released until the beginning of
the league year. Kyler Murray, So Kyler Murray will be
released on Wednesday. That should, in theory, be the first
time he can have tangible conversations with other teams about
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who could sign him as a free agent. We'll see
how all of that plays out, but one team that
he keeps getting linked with Buck that doesn't make any
sense to me, as in Minnesota Vikings. And I'm torn
on this on what the right thing is for Minnesota
because JJ McCarthy has played ten games. JJ McCarthy to
me coming out when he was drafted. The first thing
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I said when I was hosting the draft show for Yahoo,
is anyone that tells you they know what they're talking
about with JJ McCarthy's pulling it out of their butt,
because like, at some level, yeah, I won a national
championship mis but not throwing the football like so many
quarterbacks we see, we didn't have a ton of time
on task. Quarterback gurus were saying, well, yeah, but there's
these four throws in this one game. Like there was
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such limited body of work with JJ that people were
trying to convince you that one throw to the outside
hash against Perdue meant something, all right, So like that's
how how weird it was. From the minute he got
drafted it almost everybody keeps saying no, no, no, JJ's great.
I don't think we know, And now we only have
ten games of evidence. I don't think we know. But
the Vikings are in this really weird spot where their
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window to win is right now and they can't keep
just screwing around trying to figure out their quarterback. Looks like, So,
I agree they need to bring in somebody, but you
know you're not bringing in Kyler Murray for one year.
Kyler Murray's going to somewhere sign a multi year deal
as a starter.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So if they if they bring in Kyler Murray, they
are shutting the door on JJ. Is that the right move?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, are you sure about that last part? You're sure
he's not gonna have to be in a situation where
he shows that he's worth a long term deal in
his next opportunity, because I don't. I mean, Kyler is.
Kyler's like the hardest player in the NFL to evaluate.
And I'm not you know, I'm not any kind of
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expert in personnel evaluation or anything like that, but just
as somebody who covers the league on a daily basis,
who has seen a lot of Kyler Murray games. Who
I mean, I just watched I covered Kyler Murray's last
game as a Cardinal. He got hurt against the Titans.
It was one of the weird it was one of
the only Titans wins that they had last year, but
it was a It was very much he looked He
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looked good until you know, things started to fall apart
around him, and then all of a sudden, you know,
he's out with a foot injury that costs him the
rest of the season, and they soft bench him for
Jake Briskett, Jacoby Brissett, and now he's no longer a
Cardinal because Manti asen Fort is trying to the general
manager there is trying to continue to reshape that team
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in an image that he thinks is more viable, which
also brings up an interesting question about what the hell
the Cardinals are going to do at quarterback moving forward.
But I mean, I haven't talked to anybody specifically about
Kyler in a contract situation.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I just don't think it's a given that he gets
a multi year deal.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Who's going to be willing to give Kyler Murray a
multi year deal with And I'm not I'm not there
every day like I am here in Tennessee, around those players,
around those coaches. But I have just come back from
the combine, where you are around a lot more NFL
people for a lot of other different teams Kyler's always been.
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Is it unfair to describe him as a bit difficult?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't think it's some fair.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that's probably the most diplomatic way to
put it. Whether it's the homework clause that was in
the contract that he pushed back on, whether it's the
weird stuff pre draft. And obviously you're a different person
during the pre draft process than he has become now
with several years as an NFL starter. But he's not.
He's not, you know, the easiest personality to work within
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the situation. I don't think he's like a malcontent or
anything like that. I don't think he's a bad actor.
I just think that there's some some stuff that comes
with Kyler, some additional baggage. Maybe getting released from Arizona
is a moment of clarity and he, you know, leaves
some of that baggage in the desert and he goes
on to thrive in his next opportunity. He would be
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a hell of a reclamation project in a world of
Sam Darnold's and Daniel Jones's and all these other players
who have fared much better in their next stint or
in the case of Sam Darnald, their next like four
stints than they did and with the original team that
drafted them, because God knows, Arizona has won nothing of consequence.
I am very curious to see how the league responds
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to Kyler being available, because I would think and maybe
he has more leverage here than I'm realizing, But I
don't see what leverage Kyler has to push for a
multi year deal.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I was in your boat, to be clear, and I'm
the farther y'all. I'm not pretending to be a big
jay journalist or an insider either of those things. What
I try to do for this job when it comes
to things that maybe are a little bit out of
my my knowledge scope is I try to talk to
as many people I think that are smart as can
as I can. I was pretty stunned because I came
into the Kyler Murray thing thinking, okay, like, let me
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be very clear, I would not want Kyler Murray to
be the quarterback of my favorite football team. I'll say
that loudly. And coming into this when we all knew
he was getting released, my concept was he's going to
sign a one year, proved deal somewhere. I was immediately
corrected by other people that say no, no, no, like
he's he's looking to be a starter somewhere and someone's
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going to make him a starter.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Now. I have a harder time doing the math.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
To figure out where that is because I don't think
that Kyler is a demonstrable update upgrade from Tua. For
I don't think when you've already had, you know, the
quarterback issues that the Jets have had, I don't think
that necessarily Kyler coming in.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
While I think he's a better.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Quarterback than Justin Fields, I don't think it solves the
problem long term. If you're the Steelers and you just
fired a coach because you just can't get through the playoffs,
I don't look at Kyler Murray is the answer. So
like to me, I'm immediately stacking all of these Kyler
Murray bricks against him. But that being said, I do
think Kyler Murray should have a much stronger market than
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Malik Willis. Like this Malik Willis thing blows my damn mind.
I want to remind the entire world that in Malik
Willis's whole career, entire career, my guy's thrown one hundred
and fifty five passes total last year.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For all of this talk about Malik Willis is going
to go.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Out and get paid, and I'm somebody that has said
on this show with you, he's going to get paid.
Last year he was thirty or thirty five passing the
ball that's not in the game. Now he was thirty
to thirty five. In the last two years, he's attempted
less than one hundred passes. So we see it when
we talk about the lack of proof of concept to
JJ McCarthy, the lack of proof of concept for Anthony Richardson,
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who certainly has looked terrible when he's had the opportunity.
I get it, But man, paying Malik Willis a wild
amount of money on less than one hundred attempts over
the last two.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Seasons, I have a hard time with that. So I
think the.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Market is going to be a part of why Kyler
has a market out there well.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And then further contextualize the Malik thing this way, and
I forget who who ran the numbers on this, So
forgive me for not attributing proper credit, but somebody went
through Malik Willis's passing attempts and took out all the screens.
He's got like twenty six dropbacks in the last two
years where he's actually throwing passes like not just a
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screen pass, not just you know, a quick, quick, you know,
out tossed the ball to the running back out to
the side type deal. Somewhere in the ballpark of twenty
eight to twenty six total dropbacks in two seasons. Now, Again,
he's not starting right, so we understand this that there's
been limited opportunities for him to even take advantage of.
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But when you further peel away the layers of it
feels disrespectful to call him an onion. But like the
layers on the Malik Willis situation, it looks even more glad.
This man's about to get a million dollars per drop back,
well an aav not in actual money. We'll see what
the actual structure of the contract is. But yeah, I mean,
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I think Kyler's more viable than Malik. We were having
this conversation again locally because the Titans have Will Levis
and obviously Will Levis is not going to start over
cam Ward, and the Titans flipped Will Malik Willis to
the Packers for a seventh round pick A couple of
years ago. So we've we've been talking about will as
a as a next viable trade ship.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
If you'd have.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Told me, or if you'd have asked me, who is
the better quarterback between the two of them, I would
have said will Levis. And now, obviously Matt Lafleur did
some good things in Malik has done well to continue
to progress in his NFL career. But I saw Malik
start here and it was brutal. I mean, he looked
lost in a lot of different moments. Now that was
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several years ago. He since grown and developed into a
more viable player. But the sample size that you're pulling
from there is you talk about JJ McCarthy being infinitesimal.
JJ McCarthy has started more games than Malik Willis has.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
So keep it going with the quarterback comparisons, because one
of the guys that we are going to talk a
lot about over the next few months is ty Simpson.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And one of the arguments against.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Ty Simpson is that he only has five hundred and
twenty three attempts in his entire career, which isn't a
ton four hundred and seventy three of those attempts all
came last year. Go back to the entire college career
of Malik Willis. In his two years at Liberty, he
attempted six hundred four passes so and fourteen at Auburn
before that. So we're not talking about any real body work.
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So when people sit here and say, well, ty Simpson
doesn't have a ton of tape, we gotta figure it,
like teams don't necessarily love a guy that doesn't have
a ton of tape. Like I've literally heard that as
a discussion point for Ty Simpson.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We don't have a ton of tape to break down.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And I'm looking at it thinking, Okay, well, ty Simpson,
you're right, we don't have a ton of tape on
Ty Simpson because he's.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Just coming out of college for four years.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Malik Willis was in college for four years and now
has been in the NFL for four years, and he
doesn't have that many more throws total in his entire
career than Ty Simpson.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like what are we doing here? It's alarming to me.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
How much we desperately want to assign benefit of the
doubt to guys and then take benefit of the doubt
away from others.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Like part of it is Okay, time on TASH.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We've seen enough bad football from Kyler Murray to know
exactly what the traits of bad football are. We just
haven't seen as much bad football because people weren't paying
attention to Liberty, let's be honest. And then people weren't
paying attention to the Titans because Malik Willis and the
Titans were never going to be somebody that people pay
attention to. And so all we see is this little
reclamation moment with Green Bay, and I'm just I'm not
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willing to sit there and extrapolate that forward into some
sort of massive reason for success, like if Kyler Murray
wants to become a better quarterback. I think the right
answer for Kyler Murray, and I can't speak for him
as a human being, I would much rather to your
reclamation point.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I'd rather be the backup in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
City or in LA for the Rams right now, for
any of these quarterbacks that we're looking at, saying, man,
would you really need Will Levis, you mentioned Malik Willis,
Kyler Murray, any of these guys if you really want
to have a sustainable, long term shot at becoming a
real starting quarterback in this league? I want to go
to somebody that can help translate to me. I just
don't know that Kyler Murray wants that. I don't know
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that he wants to learn that structure. But my god,
look at the way we're talking about mac Jones now
based on a few games with Kyle Shanahan versus the
way we're talking about Kyle Kyle m Kyler Murray. Because
Murray simply has more bad than good that we've seen.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, I think that the argument for like in the
case of Willis and Levis, they haven't had their opportunity
to cash in, and it makes it like Kyler's made
money tons in his NFL career, will would will will
be this is his fourth year and because he wasn't
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a first round pick, like if will Levis were to
do something of consequence in his fourth year, he could
hit the money faster than guys that were drafted in
the same year as him and c. J. Stroud and
Bryce Young and ar obviously is a different case study
entirely from that twenty twenty three NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And this is Malik's opportunity.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So don't I don't fault them for if if they
are both determined to have a starting opportunity and are
on the precipice, Malik more so than will obviously on
the precipice of getting one of those real NFL paydays
that you dream about that can change your life. I mean,
Malik Willis, if you were to if you were to
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hit anywhere close to the kind of numbers we're talking about,
this is generational money. This is money that would change
not just his life, but his family's life.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I don't begrudge guys who it may seem shortsighted to
your point, but I bet if you gave Mac Jones
that same opportunity to be like, yeah, give me the cash.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I've had to do this out of necessity because Bill Belichick,
Joe Judge, and Matt Patricia tried to wreck my career
after I went to the Pro Bowl my first year.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, you're not You're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I I agree that the opportunity, and look, it's easy
for any of us to sit back and say, well,
you know, the long play, the long play.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Like just wait a little longer.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
But I know the average careers only three years anymore,
But just wait a little longer.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You'll be fine. I promise, I swear, just keep making
your mayonnaise money.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I mean, how many people in our industry, in media, sports, broadcasting,
how many people have gone to work for companies that
maybe didn't have the same level of cacheted career to development,
but they could get a big check up front.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Like how many people in life do that?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Like, if you have the chance to go work somewhere
where you can become the best widget maker in history,
but it's gonna take some time, and you got a
lot of things.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You got to break the right way and you got
to do a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Or you can be a fine widget maker and only
work for a few years, but you're gonna make generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You take that, You're a thousand percent right.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's interesting because we assign this reclamation project concept to
quarterbacks every year now, and that's because of the success
of Baker even before it fell apart, the success of
Geno when he first moved on, the success for Sam
darnoald Like, we have an annual example of this. I
think though, that gets a little bit tricky and a
little bit dangerous because certainly Sam Arnold now because he
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won a Super Bowl now it is I can win
a Super Bowl with the reclamation project. I think there's
a much different conversation if it's like, yes, you can
if you happen to get a reclamation project quarterback that,
by the way, had a ton of talent. And on
top of that, just number one, let's also acknowledge is
on one of the best defenses we'll see in the league,
with probably the best defensive minded head coach we're going
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to see in the league who schemes better with an
offensive coordinator that is so regarded at his job as
offensive coordinator that he's going to become a head coach.
With a two headed monster at running back that happens
to be one of the better two hundred monsters we've
seen in a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And oh, by the way, a top three wide receiver
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
If you put all those things around Kyler Murray next year, boy,
maybe he could turn around and be a reclamation if
he's as coachable in that reclamation process as Sam Darnold was, Like,
that's that's what.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're really talking about here.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like, even if you look at Baker Mayfield, you know,
and I mean certainly Baker Mayfield, I have joked a
couple of times maybe he's a co coach maker.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Maybe it's not, you know, maybe Baker's a coach maker.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But also Dave Canalis is now having some level of
success with the Panthers. Liam Cohen came in and almost
immediately unlocked Trevor Lawrence. So like, sure, if you're Baker
and you go to a team that's stacked with a
bunch of wide receivers, that has some really good weapons
and a great offensive mind on a team with pretty
good defense in his case, in a really bad division,
you can win a lot of football games. I think
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not all reclamation situations are as nice as what we've
seen land for the quarterbacks that have actually had their
reclamation story.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
It just to me, it comes down to how much
different are all of these players than one another. Like
I understand that they all do different things, that they
have different personality types, that their football acumen or their
general you know, level of intelligence is different. And I'm
not saying that, you know, this guy's dumb and this
guy so so much smarter, but like just generally, like
(30:56):
in the same way that we are all different people,
that you and I are different people, that Loraina is
different person that whoever right, Like, there our wrinkles to this,
but as far as like actively being able to deliver
on playing the position of quarterback in the NFL, you've
got your own wrinkles to your game. But how many
guys are actually that much better than the next guy?
(31:19):
Or in reality, are eighty percent of quarterbacks if you
drop them into the situation that you've just described, are
those eighty percent of starting caliber NFL quarterbacks gonna be
able to do something similar to what Sam Darnold did?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I'm not saying that they win the Super Bowl ten
times out of ten, But do they get you to
the NFC Championship Game?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Do they do they garner a number one seed in
a conference?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
If you have all of these things, plus the luck
that comes with being very healthy throughout the course of
their throughout the course of their season, playing in one
of the most difficult divisions, I am inclined to think
that you can get that kind of play out of
eighty percent of players. But the geography won't allow you
(32:02):
to do that, because not every situation is created equal.
Seattle is not the same as Arizona, Tennessee, is not
the same as Indianapolis like this. This is just something
that I think we assigned so much value to franchise
quarterback proper win. In reality, it's really about the organizations
and the places that you're dropping these guys into and
(32:23):
how often we see them flame out Because you know,
the guys, the best guys at the top of the draft,
they go to the worst teams, and a lot of
times those teams are bad for a reason, and they
have trouble trying to continue to dig themselves out of
a hole even if they do have the.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Number one overall pick in the draft. Cough Cough, Titans.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's just when you say, I've said for years that
I think the best coaches are like Chopped the TV show.
They open a basket of ingredients and whatever they have
they can cook with. And to your point, as you're talking,
all I keep thinking about is that at some level,
most of these quarterbacks they're already fill a. Now you
can go to your local meat market because you like
this fill a a little bit better than this file.
But if you're basket of ingredients has a bunch of
(33:01):
really good stuff and your.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Chef is really good, if.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You have a great chef with a bunch of great ingredients,
all of a sudden, you're not as worried about what
that protein looks like. If the rest of your ingredients
are bad, or if your chef doesn't know what the
hell he's doing, then that stake better be absolutely perfect,
the highest edge you can possibly get. I think that
more and more that you're talking, the more and more
I think that's similar to what the NFL is like. Sometimes, Yeah,
you've got a Mahomes, you've got a Lamar, you've got
(33:27):
a Josh, and that's such a premier ingredient you want
everything around it to be great. But most of these
quarterbacks are sort of in that same range, And now
I'm hungry.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
That's the truth.
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Logan Paul is out here offering a million bucks, which
by the way, is chump change for Logan Paul.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Love it or hate it?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Oftener a million dollars is a boxing challenge to NFL players,
and I gotta admit I really hope somebody takes him
up on it, because I have a sneaking suspicion in
the world would tune in to watch Logan Paul get
his ass kicked.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's bucking Fits.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Taken over for two pros and a cup of Joe.
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. Tell me I'm wrong, Buck.
I just keep thinking about Logan Paul taking on I
don't know Max Crosby that we see all the time
coming and Max's out here sparring during the during the
offseason in an MMA, ring all the time like he
just loves getting hit. He loves getting punched in the face,
(34:58):
like he has said repeatedly he loves physical contact. Logan
Paul out here saying he will challenge any NFL player
to a million dollar boxing match.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Somebody needs to go out and just take that million dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I just I have visions of Trent Williams picking him
up and snapping him like a like a small branch.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Over his knee, his very large knee.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I just it's a performative thing, which is fine, like
I'm down until it's it's uh.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
What's the line when keeping it real goes wrong? Like
the one?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Uh, what's the other Paul brother's name is it? Jake
Paul Jake Jake Jake Paul takes an actual boxing match
and then gets his jaw broke, right like after he's
been fighting the old men and former UFC fighters that
are getting into a boxing ring with him, and all
these other different kind of sideshow circus attraction type fights.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I can't remember the name of the box.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't follow boxing or the Paul brothers very closely,
and maybe that's on me.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I understand that they have a huge following. They're very popular.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Whether it's a popular or polarizing or whatever the draw is.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'm the outlier here, Okay, but I just can't imagine
that you would want to go through with this, that
you would want to actually go through with this because
these dudes, I guess Logan Paul is also in the
category of professional risk taker, and it does take some
level of strength and athleticism to do. I mean not
(36:26):
just some like I was very impressed. I was, you know,
this would be a finable offensive marion Ian, we're here,
But I was at the John Cena Logan Paul match
in Paris this past I guess that was a Labor
Day weekend, and like that was my first time really
being up close and personal and like seeing the level
of athleticism that goes into the WWE. I have a
(36:48):
very new respect for that as somebody who didn't really
grow up watching wrestling or any and really understand the
choreography of all the different training that goes into it.
But this is different if you're talking about fighting a
football player.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
These dudes.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
These dudes, do you know they do violence for money,
like real violence for money, not not what's going on
in a WWE ring. I get that there is still
some level of strain and strife to that, but this
is a very different ballgame that you're playing with very
different kind of people, and I don't think that you
would fare well against.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's not even like the big money dudes FITZI.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's like some I think, some practice squad guy who's
fighting his ass off to make a roster, who's you know,
coming in at vet minimum. I think that's the kind
of dude that would be hungry enough to go in
there and rip Logan Paul's face off for money.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And it's a win win for Logan because we're talking
about him right, like that's what he really wants. I
think that's thee element of this, like understandable. He's six
two to two o five. I always go back to
Damian Woody, who's just one of the nicest human beings
you could ever interact with. Damian Woody is a great guy.
Damian Woody shakes hands really, really, really carefully, really cautiously,
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because his hands are I mean massive.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Now, I'm a small individual.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I'm the first one that I'm five nine and a half, right, Like,
what do I know, I'm a small dude.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I got tidy baby hands. I get it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But I laughed at Damien one time when we were
taking hands on something were sort of like bro Hugue
and I was like, oh, you're always so gentle, and
he said, you know, he's like you figure it out
over years, because, as he pointed out to me, I
used my hands for violence for so many years.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I want to be careful. I don't hurt people now.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And I thought about that because Damien would he just
shaking my hand in any sort of a firm handshake
way would physically hurt me. And again, I'm small, I'm
not Logan Paul's size. I think he's he's underestimating how
much lineman buck fight with their hands every single day
and how fast those hands are.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Adrian Peterson is famous for this just just bone crushing handshakes.
He was he was a Titan for like six seconds.
That was whenever Derek Hedrick broke his foot. I think
it was twenty twenty two. And like he went around
and shook guy's hands like media members hands when he
was doing his first introductory press conference and things like that.
It's real and like, I now, he's going out of
his way to make sure that you know that he's
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got the best and the strongest handshake. That you've ever felt,
but like it was still one of those moments like
Oh I don't want anything to do with this ever,
Like this is how this guy plays football much less
shakes your hand.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, I just keep thinking about Aaron Donald, not a
current NFL player, but would absolutely kick his ass. All Right,
we mentioned Max Crosby, the rumormill won't stop. What's the
latest and what's it really mean? We'll tell you next.
Bucket fits Fox Sports Radio
There are certain matchups that are bigger than the sport
they're in. There are certain rivalries that mean more to everybody,
and there are certain moments that all you have to
do is call out the teams and suddenly we're all interested.
While everybody's sleeping and trying to figure out what's going
on in the NFL over the course of the next week,
and we're all talking about tanking in the NBA, all
of these different things. College basketball gives us what is
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arguably the greatest rivalry in all of sports this weekend
when they give us Duke North Carolina, and the question
is does it hit as hard as it used to?
He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitzbucket Fits on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I think it's important to admit my bias right as
we start this conversation. There is no team in all
of sports, in all of sports, I don't care what
sport we're talking about. There is no team in all
of sports that I hate more than duke basketball. There
is no team like when I flashback to a little
fat me as a kid sitting there, you know, grew
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up a UNLV fan. I have one videotape, a one
tape for my entire life growing up.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
My parents didn't have a camquard. We didn't have that money.
We weren't rich.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So I have one videotape of my entire life growing up,
and on the side of it, all it says is
one O three seventy three that would be UNLV beating
Duke for the national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I remember where I was the.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Next year when a very very very heavily favored UNLV
team was undefeated and they went into the final four
a heavy favorite against Duke, and they lost and I cried.
I cried, and it stuck with me, and I hated Duke.
Like the first time I ever met Jay Will in ESPN,
the first thing I told him.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Is I hate Duke like I hate Duke. I can't
say that loud enough that being said.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Not even a hello, how are you great career? I
love your work, just I hate Duke.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I hate Duke.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think it's important to established these things. You know
Jay Will as a friend. Now it's a but he understands,
he understands my hate show. So you think, yeah, that's right,
I consider j Will a friend. I'm not sure you know.
I'll text him to see if he text me back,
we'll get an answer on that. But it just feels
like amazingly John Shire took over for coach Krzyzewski a few.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Years ago and something changed. I don't know if it's
the one and done world that we're living in. I
don't know if it's just Shire has a different approach.
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I just when I look around and I'm like, where
are my brothers and sisters in hate of Duke?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I don't feel like I have it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Like it's interesting that this rivalry maybe feels like a
little less heat to me because I don't think Duke
right now has a roster full of Christian Latner like
villains that everybody's obsessed with. It feels like some of
the hatred for Duke has worn off across the sports landscape.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
How much do you think.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The hate was predicated off of Duke because they have
had hateable players, right, I mean that's very much yes,
in their DNA across history, whether it's Lightner or whether
it's J. J. Reddick, Oh my god, who's the guy
that played for the Grizzlies for a little while, like
the Grayson Allen right, like they have had. I know
that Grayson Allen is not like the other two, but
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like you understand my meeting, they have had hatable players
in their history. How much do you think that hate, though,
dissipates because coach Ky is not there, Because Skryzewski is
also not necessarily endearing. I mean he's great, right, He's
excellent and deserving of the legendary status that he holds
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and all the things that he accomplished across his career,
especially at that program. I mean, he's iconic for a reason,
but he's he's got a lot of the I don't know,
he's got a lot of the Belichick stuff to him, right,
just in terms of how he carries himself, the way
that he speaks, some of these press conference moments that
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go that would make the rounds, whether he's just snapping
in a student reporter or something like that. Like he's
had these moments and Kay is not necessarily I think
after you know, during the retirement tour, everybody's and heaping,
you know, love and affection on coach Skoshevsky. But once
once he goes, I think, like I don't hate John Shire,
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you know, I don't think that they don't. They don't
seem like the death Star to me anymore. Now, maybe
that's because I've I've never me personally, I've never had
that kind of hatred for Duke as a program.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I know a lot of people have. For me.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That's Kentucky. I have hated Kentucky basketball my entire life.
It's because Indiana and Kentucky, I mean used to be
a rivalry. I feel that way about Purdue. I feel
that way about Kentucky. I do not feel that way
about Duke. So maybe I'm speaking from a place of ignorance,
but that a lot of that seemed too dry up
after Kay retired.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, and to that point, I mean, think about the
way we used to talk about Alabama football and Nick Saban.
Nick Saban over like, I'm not sure much of Saban's
stick has changed. It just went from always a grumpy
coach that nobody likes, like Savan's out here being Saban
and now when he's the exact same person on game day,
it's endearing and it's your papa that everybody wants to
hang out with, right like, It's it's wild the change
(05:04):
that comes from maybe not having the same level of
dominance too, like if Shire turns around and wins two
or three national championships in the next five years. It's
an interesting portion of American pop culture. This came up
the other day on one of my Yahu shows, because
if anyone hasn't seen it, you should look at it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Look it up.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
The reception in Japan for Sho hey O Tani has
been absolutely incredible. They filled a stadium, like a full
on stadium for his batting practice. Right, it's like watching
Michael Jackson in the heat of the eighties, Like when
he's over in Japan, everybody's flocking to him. They're following
him everywhere that he's got security. It's like beatles Mania
(05:46):
for everything show he's doing in Japan, which started as
sort of a conversation we were having about what it
takes to be that in here, like who would be
the American superstar that transcends globally that way? And one
thing that's interesting to me is that in America, this
is just the way that we've always run our superstars.
You have to have a certain level of success to
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then where you become loved and hated all at once,
Like you have to have an equal amount of people
that feels like on one side, it's just the way
that we work.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So like, no matter what Lebron does.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Now, for the rest of his career, they're gonna be
people that are like, oh, Lebron's not Michael, I hate Lebron,
I hate the decision whatever it is. Right, Like Kad
suddenly became polarizing because he decided to go to Golden State.
And you know, Stu Gotts doesn't acknowledge those championships, right
Like Tom Brady? Is Tom Brady the ultimate super Bowl champion?
Or is he the guy that deflates balls and you know,
(06:38):
cheats every time he possiblely get Like this is what
we do with any level of real success. Like you
have to have a certain level of success to become
transcendent in our culture. You have to have a certain
level of success to where you become both loved and
hated at the same time. Even Like go back to
music in the eighties, there was one year where bon
Jovi was voted the best and worst band in Rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Stone in the same year.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, we have to either love or hate something for
it to transcend in popularity. And I'm not sure that Duke.
Maybe Duke needs to win a bunch of championships. So
then they're so successful under Shire that they then become
again both loved and hated.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Well, and then there's the component of this game specifically, right,
because I do think it has a little bit more
juice if Caleb Wilson was medically clear to play. It
doesn't sound like, at least as of today or yesterday
when last there was some reporting on this. They're star freshman.
He's been one of the he's been one of the
(07:37):
biggest reasons why North Carolina hasn't really been able to
climb back up into the second I understand they're still
hanging onto their ranking, but still he's had a hand fracture.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
At this point, he.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Is, He's a really big piece of this puzzle as
far as making this a more compelling game, kind of
bringing that additional juice to the rivalry. If I'm not mistaken,
he's missed six games since he hurt that left hand,
And I know Hubert Davis was asked about it earlier
this week yesterday in fact, and you know there's individual
(08:08):
workout stuff that's going on. I'd be surprised to see
him out there this weekend. So I think that also,
at least for this specific version of that rivalry is
taking a little bit of juice from it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You're right, but as we sit right now in North
Carolina is number seventeen, and as we sit right now,
Duke's number one. Yeah, and I just like Duke's number
one after going in and what a game against Michigan
that you know, when Michigan was number one, Duke was
three or four, and everybody was obsessed with what it
would look like. And you know, Boozer has come out
(08:43):
and been everything that you could possibly want Booze to be, right, Like,
It's just it's funny to me because I can't say
that Duke has slip on. That's impossible. They're the number
one team in the country. I just don't remember the
last time Duke was number one taking on UNC and
it felt like it had this little amount of heat
and that you know that in part, you're right, and
(09:05):
that's on the North Carolina side for this, But these
are two ranked teams.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
North Carolina has the chance to sweep Duke. This year.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
North Carolina finished this year undefeated at home. They have
the chance to sweep Duke. They have the chance to
make a massive statement before the ACC Tournament in this
matchup between two teams that are both in the top
twenty and Duke is number one. Like, I just feel
like most years we would be sitting here all week
and we would just be drowning in Duke, North Carolina.
(09:34):
You know, best of the lineups, best history, best matchups, and.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It just doesn't have that same level.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And I wonder part of I think we're onto something
here that part of that is Shire, and part.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Of it is that Booze as a star is just.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's kind of a likable kid, you know, like he's
just he's not Christian Lehtner or Grayson Allen or JJ.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Like he's kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A likable dude. Like it's fun watching and play. There's
a there's a certain joy to what they're doing. So
it's a it's a change, and I don't know if
it's good change, you're bad change. It just feels different,
like growing up watching wrestling in the eighties, which I
reference all the time with your book, Like one of
the interesting things was sometimes they be a face and
sometimes they be a heel. Like there'd be a chapter
where Macho Man was a good guy. In chapter where
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Macho Man was a bad guy. I think we're in
the babyface chapter of Duke. I think we're in the
chapter where people like going into this season, this postseason,
going into this tournament. I don't think you're going to
have the same level of I watch Duke just to
hate watch Duke. I think you've got a lot of
people out there that are like, oh man, this deep
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, And I don't know, I kind of like that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You you can have those different phases for a program,
like you don't have to think the same way about
a program its entire existence or a player that's their
entire career. This is not an uncommon story arc, right.
I think Lebron is a good example of this, where
you're lovable in Cleveland, you're hateable when you go join
up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh and Miami. Then
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you come back to Cleveland you're the hero again. I
don't really know, you know how much how much polarization
there is around Lebron's Lakers.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Tenure at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Brady the same, right, And we're talking about things that
have obviously achieved at an incredibly high level for their
entire careers or in the case of Duke is a
basketball program its entire existence that you can you can
go through these these cycles and and get a different
experience in different eras of whatever it is that you're
talking about. So if Duke gets to be likable for
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a period of time very soon, they won't be right.
That's just that's not we don't allow you to be
that kind of I mean, you can't even call them
a lovable underdog or anything like that. They're the number
one team in the country. They're killing people. They have.
They've won seven straight since they lost that game to
you and UNC in early. I mean, he's a little
it'll be a month ago tomorrow if I'm not mistaken,
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followed up by that neutral court when at Michigan that
we talked about, and then they just drummed Virginia by
twenty six after that, so they've just they've been on
a tear. There's no reason to look at Duke and think, oh, lovable,
plucky underdog Duke, right, That's not what this is. But
the team itself, the coach, I think just kind of
the vibe that they project is not what you are
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you are accustomed to feeling about that specific basketball program.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Which I think is fun.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
There are plenty vibes to get in your breakdown, but
we are only days away from the start of NFL
free agency. Kyler Murray is going to be one of
the biggest names coming up.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
There's one team out there that just doesn't make sense
for him.
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having a good time. Monday is a big day because
it's the beginning of what they call legal tampering, which
is just such a weird way to term it, but
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for anyone that doesn't know, the league year for the
NFL starts on Wednesday, so the way this works, on Monday,
teams can start contacting players. They enacted this air quotes
legal tampering rule because what was happening is that free
agency was opening. About thirty seconds into free agency, there'd
be an announcement of a massive, complicated contract, and the
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question was, how did you work that out in thirty seconds?
So now they let them start working it out Monday.
It gets a little complicated with some players though, because
some players will not be released until the beginning of
the league year. Kyler Murray, So Kyler Murray will be
released on Wednesday. That should, in theory, be the first
time he can have tangible conversations with other teams about
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who could sign him as a free agent. We'll see
how all of that plays out, but one team that
he keeps getting linked with Buck that doesn't make any
sense to me, as in Minnesota Vikings. And I'm torn
on this on what the right thing is for Minnesota
because JJ McCarthy has played ten games. JJ McCarthy to
me coming out when he was drafted. The first thing
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I said when I was hosting the draft show for Yahoo,
is anyone that tells you they know what they're talking
about with JJ McCarthy's pulling it out of their butt,
because like, at some level, yeah, I won a national
championship mis but not throwing the football like so many
quarterbacks we see, we didn't have a ton of time
on task. Quarterback gurus were saying, well, yeah, but there's
these four throws in this one game. Like there was
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such limited body of work with JJ that people were
trying to convince you that one throw to the outside
hash against Perdue meant something, all right, So like that's
how how weird it was. From the minute he got
drafted it almost everybody keeps saying no, no, no, JJ's great.
I don't think we know, And now we only have
ten games of evidence. I don't think we know. But
the Vikings are in this really weird spot where their
(15:31):
window to win is right now and they can't keep
just screwing around trying to figure out their quarterback. Looks like, So,
I agree they need to bring in somebody, but you
know you're not bringing in Kyler Murray for one year.
Kyler Murray's going to somewhere sign a multi year deal
as a starter.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So if they if they bring in Kyler Murray, they
are shutting the door on JJ. Is that the right move?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, are you sure about that last part? You're sure
he's not gonna have to be in a situation where
he shows that he's worth a long term deal in
his next opportunity, because I don't. I mean, Kyler is.
Kyler's like the hardest player in the NFL to evaluate.
And I'm not you know, I'm not any kind of
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expert in personnel evaluation or anything like that, but just
as somebody who covers the league on a daily basis,
who has seen a lot of Kyler Murray games. Who
I mean, I just watched I covered Kyler Murray's last
game as a Cardinal. He got hurt against the Titans.
It was one of the weird it was one of
the only Titans wins that they had last year, but
it was a It was very much he looked He
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looked good until you know, things started to fall apart
around him, and then all of a sudden, you know,
he's out with a foot injury that costs him the
rest of the season, and they soft bench him for
Jake Briskett, Jacoby Brissett, and now he's no longer a
Cardinal because Manti asen Fort is trying to the general
manager there is trying to continue to reshape that team
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in an image that he thinks is more viable, which
also brings up an interesting question about what the hell
the Cardinals are going to do at quarterback moving forward.
But I mean, I haven't talked to anybody specifically about
Kyler in a contract situation.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I just don't think it's a given that he gets
a multi year deal.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Who's going to be willing to give Kyler Murray a
multi year deal with And I'm not I'm not there
every day like I am here in Tennessee, around those players,
around those coaches. But I have just come back from
the combine, where you are around a lot more NFL
people for a lot of other different teams Kyler's always been.
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Is it unfair to describe him as a bit difficult?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't think it's some fair.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that's probably the most diplomatic way to
put it. Whether it's the homework clause that was in
the contract that he pushed back on, whether it's the
weird stuff pre draft. And obviously you're a different person
during the pre draft process than he has become now
with several years as an NFL starter. But he's not.
He's not, you know, the easiest personality to work within
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the situation. I don't think he's like a malcontent or
anything like that. I don't think he's a bad actor.
I just think that there's some some stuff that comes
with Kyler, some additional baggage. Maybe getting released from Arizona
is a moment of clarity and he, you know, leaves
some of that baggage in the desert and he goes
on to thrive in his next opportunity. He would be
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a hell of a reclamation project in a world of
Sam Darnold's and Daniel Jones's and all these other players
who have fared much better in their next stint or
in the case of Sam Darnald, their next like four
stints than they did and with the original team that
drafted them, because God knows, Arizona has won nothing of consequence.
I am very curious to see how the league responds
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to Kyler being available, because I would think and maybe
he has more leverage here than I'm realizing, But I
don't see what leverage Kyler has to push for a
multi year deal.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I was in your boat, to be clear, and I'm
the farther y'all. I'm not pretending to be a big
jay journalist or an insider either of those things. What
I try to do for this job when it comes
to things that maybe are a little bit out of
my my knowledge scope is I try to talk to
as many people I think that are smart as can
as I can. I was pretty stunned because I came
into the Kyler Murray thing thinking, okay, like, let me
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be very clear, I would not want Kyler Murray to
be the quarterback of my favorite football team. I'll say
that loudly. And coming into this when we all knew
he was getting released, my concept was he's going to
sign a one year, proved deal somewhere. I was immediately
corrected by other people that say no, no, no, like
he's he's looking to be a starter somewhere and someone's
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going to make him a starter.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Now. I have a harder time doing the math.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
To figure out where that is because I don't think
that Kyler is a demonstrable update upgrade from Tua. For
I don't think when you've already had, you know, the
quarterback issues that the Jets have had, I don't think
that necessarily Kyler coming in.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
While I think he's a better.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Quarterback than Justin Fields, I don't think it solves the
problem long term. If you're the Steelers and you just
fired a coach because you just can't get through the playoffs,
I don't look at Kyler Murray is the answer. So
like to me, I'm immediately stacking all of these Kyler
Murray bricks against him. But that being said, I do
think Kyler Murray should have a much stronger market than
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Malik Willis. Like this Malik Willis thing blows my damn mind.
I want to remind the entire world that in Malik
Willis's whole career, entire career, my guy's thrown one hundred
and fifty five passes total last year.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For all of this talk about Malik Willis is going
to go.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Out and get paid, and I'm somebody that has said
on this show with you, he's going to get paid.
Last year he was thirty or thirty five passing the
ball that's not in the game. Now he was thirty
to thirty five. In the last two years, he's attempted
less than one hundred passes. So we see it when
we talk about the lack of proof of concept to
JJ McCarthy, the lack of proof of concept for Anthony Richardson,
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who certainly has looked terrible when he's had the opportunity.
I get it, But man, paying Malik Willis a wild
amount of money on less than one hundred attempts over
the last two.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Seasons, I have a hard time with that. So I
think the.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Market is going to be a part of why Kyler
has a market out there well.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And then further contextualize the Malik thing this way, and
I forget who who ran the numbers on this, So
forgive me for not attributing proper credit, but somebody went
through Malik Willis's passing attempts and took out all the screens.
He's got like twenty six dropbacks in the last two
years where he's actually throwing passes like not just a
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screen pass, not just you know, a quick, quick, you know,
out tossed the ball to the running back out to
the side type deal. Somewhere in the ballpark of twenty
eight to twenty six total dropbacks in two seasons. Now, Again,
he's not starting right, so we understand this that there's
been limited opportunities for him to even take advantage of.
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But when you further peel away the layers of it
feels disrespectful to call him an onion. But like the
layers on the Malik Willis situation, it looks even more glad.
This man's about to get a million dollars per drop back,
well an aav not in actual money. We'll see what
the actual structure of the contract is. But yeah, I mean,
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I think Kyler's more viable than Malik. We were having
this conversation again locally because the Titans have Will Levis
and obviously Will Levis is not going to start over
cam Ward, and the Titans flipped Will Malik Willis to
the Packers for a seventh round pick A couple of
years ago. So we've we've been talking about will as
a as a next viable trade ship.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
If you'd have.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Told me, or if you'd have asked me, who is
the better quarterback between the two of them, I would
have said will Levis. And now, obviously Matt Lafleur did
some good things in Malik has done well to continue
to progress in his NFL career. But I saw Malik
start here and it was brutal. I mean, he looked
lost in a lot of different moments. Now that was
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several years ago. He since grown and developed into a
more viable player. But the sample size that you're pulling
from there is you talk about JJ McCarthy being infinitesimal.
JJ McCarthy has started more games than Malik Willis has.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
So keep it going with the quarterback comparisons, because one
of the guys that we are going to talk a
lot about over the next few months is ty Simpson.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And one of the arguments against.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Ty Simpson is that he only has five hundred and
twenty three attempts in his entire career, which isn't a
ton four hundred and seventy three of those attempts all
came last year. Go back to the entire college career
of Malik Willis. In his two years at Liberty, he
attempted six hundred four passes so and fourteen at Auburn
before that. So we're not talking about any real body work.
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So when people sit here and say, well, ty Simpson
doesn't have a ton of tape, we gotta figure it,
like teams don't necessarily love a guy that doesn't have
a ton of tape. Like I've literally heard that as
a discussion point for Ty Simpson.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We don't have a ton of tape to break down.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And I'm looking at it thinking, Okay, well, ty Simpson,
you're right, we don't have a ton of tape on
Ty Simpson because he's.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Just coming out of college for four years.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Malik Willis was in college for four years and now
has been in the NFL for four years, and he
doesn't have that many more throws total in his entire
career than Ty Simpson.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like what are we doing here? It's alarming to me.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
How much we desperately want to assign benefit of the
doubt to guys and then take benefit of the doubt
away from others.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Like part of it is Okay, time on TASH.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We've seen enough bad football from Kyler Murray to know
exactly what the traits of bad football are. We just
haven't seen as much bad football because people weren't paying
attention to Liberty, let's be honest. And then people weren't
paying attention to the Titans because Malik Willis and the
Titans were never going to be somebody that people pay
attention to. And so all we see is this little
reclamation moment with Green Bay, and I'm just I'm not
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willing to sit there and extrapolate that forward into some
sort of massive reason for success, like if Kyler Murray
wants to become a better quarterback. I think the right
answer for Kyler Murray, and I can't speak for him
as a human being, I would much rather to your
reclamation point.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I'd rather be the backup in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
City or in LA for the Rams right now, for
any of these quarterbacks that we're looking at, saying, man,
would you really need Will Levis, you mentioned Malik Willis,
Kyler Murray, any of these guys if you really want
to have a sustainable, long term shot at becoming a
real starting quarterback in this league? I want to go
to somebody that can help translate to me. I just
don't know that Kyler Murray wants that. I don't know
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that he wants to learn that structure. But my god,
look at the way we're talking about mac Jones now
based on a few games with Kyle Shanahan versus the
way we're talking about Kyle Kyle m Kyler Murray. Because
Murray simply has more bad than good that we've seen.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, I think that the argument for like in the
case of Willis and Levis, they haven't had their opportunity
to cash in, and it makes it like Kyler's made
money tons in his NFL career, will would will will
be this is his fourth year and because he wasn't
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a first round pick, like if will Levis were to
do something of consequence in his fourth year, he could
hit the money faster than guys that were drafted in
the same year as him and c. J. Stroud and
Bryce Young and ar obviously is a different case study
entirely from that twenty twenty three NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And this is Malik's opportunity.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So don't I don't fault them for if if they
are both determined to have a starting opportunity and are
on the precipice, Malik more so than will obviously on
the precipice of getting one of those real NFL paydays
that you dream about that can change your life. I mean,
Malik Willis, if you were to if you were to
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hit anywhere close to the kind of numbers we're talking about,
this is generational money. This is money that would change
not just his life, but his family's life.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I don't begrudge guys who it may seem shortsighted to
your point, but I bet if you gave Mac Jones
that same opportunity to be like, yeah, give me the cash.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I've had to do this out of necessity because Bill Belichick,
Joe Judge, and Matt Patricia tried to wreck my career
after I went to the Pro Bowl my first year.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, you're not You're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I I agree that the opportunity, and look, it's easy
for any of us to sit back and say, well,
you know, the long play, the long play.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Like just wait a little longer.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
But I know the average careers only three years anymore,
But just wait a little longer.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You'll be fine. I promise, I swear, just keep making
your mayonnaise money.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I mean, how many people in our industry, in media, sports, broadcasting,
how many people have gone to work for companies that
maybe didn't have the same level of cacheted career to development,
but they could get a big check up front.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Like how many people in life do that?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Like, if you have the chance to go work somewhere
where you can become the best widget maker in history,
but it's gonna take some time, and you got a
lot of things.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You got to break the right way and you got
to do a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Or you can be a fine widget maker and only
work for a few years, but you're gonna make generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You take that, You're a thousand percent right.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's interesting because we assign this reclamation project concept to
quarterbacks every year now, and that's because of the success
of Baker even before it fell apart, the success of
Geno when he first moved on, the success for Sam
darnoald Like, we have an annual example of this. I
think though, that gets a little bit tricky and a
little bit dangerous because certainly Sam Arnold now because he
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won a Super Bowl now it is I can win
a Super Bowl with the reclamation project. I think there's
a much different conversation if it's like, yes, you can
if you happen to get a reclamation project quarterback that,
by the way, had a ton of talent. And on
top of that, just number one, let's also acknowledge is
on one of the best defenses we'll see in the league,
with probably the best defensive minded head coach we're going
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to see in the league who schemes better with an
offensive coordinator that is so regarded at his job as
offensive coordinator that he's going to become a head coach.
With a two headed monster at running back that happens
to be one of the better two hundred monsters we've
seen in a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And oh, by the way, a top three wide receiver
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
If you put all those things around Kyler Murray next year, boy,
maybe he could turn around and be a reclamation if
he's as coachable in that reclamation process as Sam Darnold was, Like,
that's that's what.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're really talking about here.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like, even if you look at Baker Mayfield, you know,
and I mean certainly Baker Mayfield, I have joked a
couple of times maybe he's a co coach maker.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Maybe it's not, you know, maybe Baker's a coach maker.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But also Dave Canalis is now having some level of
success with the Panthers. Liam Cohen came in and almost
immediately unlocked Trevor Lawrence. So like, sure, if you're Baker
and you go to a team that's stacked with a
bunch of wide receivers, that has some really good weapons
and a great offensive mind on a team with pretty
good defense in his case, in a really bad division,
you can win a lot of football games. I think
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not all reclamation situations are as nice as what we've
seen land for the quarterbacks that have actually had their
reclamation story.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
It just to me, it comes down to how much
different are all of these players than one another. Like
I understand that they all do different things, that they
have different personality types, that their football acumen or their
general you know, level of intelligence is different. And I'm
not saying that, you know, this guy's dumb and this
guy so so much smarter, but like just generally, like
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in the same way that we are all different people,
that you and I are different people, that Loraina is
different person that whoever right, Like, there our wrinkles to this,
but as far as like actively being able to deliver
on playing the position of quarterback in the NFL, you've
got your own wrinkles to your game. But how many
guys are actually that much better than the next guy?
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Or in reality, are eighty percent of quarterbacks if you
drop them into the situation that you've just described, are
those eighty percent of starting caliber NFL quarterbacks gonna be
able to do something similar to what Sam Darnold did?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I'm not saying that they win the Super Bowl ten
times out of ten, But do they get you to
the NFC Championship Game?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Do they do they garner a number one seed in
a conference?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
If you have all of these things, plus the luck
that comes with being very healthy throughout the course of
their throughout the course of their season, playing in one
of the most difficult divisions, I am inclined to think
that you can get that kind of play out of
eighty percent of players. But the geography won't allow you
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to do that, because not every situation is created equal.
Seattle is not the same as Arizona, Tennessee, is not
the same as Indianapolis like this. This is just something
that I think we assigned so much value to franchise
quarterback proper win. In reality, it's really about the organizations
and the places that you're dropping these guys into and
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how often we see them flame out Because you know,
the guys, the best guys at the top of the draft,
they go to the worst teams, and a lot of
times those teams are bad for a reason, and they
have trouble trying to continue to dig themselves out of
a hole even if they do have the.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Number one overall pick in the draft. Cough Cough, Titans.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's just when you say, I've said for years that
I think the best coaches are like Chopped the TV show.
They open a basket of ingredients and whatever they have
they can cook with. And to your point, as you're talking,
all I keep thinking about is that at some level,
most of these quarterbacks they're already fill a. Now you
can go to your local meat market because you like
this fill a a little bit better than this file.
But if you're basket of ingredients has a bunch of
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really good stuff and your.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Chef is really good, if.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You have a great chef with a bunch of great ingredients,
all of a sudden, you're not as worried about what
that protein looks like. If the rest of your ingredients
are bad, or if your chef doesn't know what the
hell he's doing, then that stake better be absolutely perfect,
the highest edge you can possibly get. I think that
more and more that you're talking, the more and more
I think that's similar to what the NFL is like. Sometimes, Yeah,
you've got a Mahomes, you've got a Lamar, you've got
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a Josh, and that's such a premier ingredient you want
everything around it to be great. But most of these
quarterbacks are sort of in that same range, And now
I'm hungry.
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(34:00):
Logan Paul's, but we'll tell you about it. Next, He's
Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitzbucking Fits on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Logan Paul is out here offering a million bucks, which
by the way, is chump change for Logan Paul.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Love it or hate it?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Oftener a million dollars is a boxing challenge to NFL players,
and I gotta admit I really hope somebody takes him
up on it, because I have a sneaking suspicion in
the world would tune in to watch Logan Paul get
his ass kicked.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's bucking Fits.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Taken over for two pros and a cup of Joe.
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. Tell me I'm wrong, Buck.
I just keep thinking about Logan Paul taking on I
don't know Max Crosby that we see all the time
coming and Max's out here sparring during the during the
offseason in an MMA, ring all the time like he
just loves getting hit. He loves getting punched in the face,
(34:58):
like he has said repeatedly he loves physical contact. Logan
Paul out here saying he will challenge any NFL player
to a million dollar boxing match.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Somebody needs to go out and just take that million dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I just I have visions of Trent Williams picking him
up and snapping him like a like a small branch.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Over his knee, his very large knee.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I just it's a performative thing, which is fine, like
I'm down until it's it's uh.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
What's the line when keeping it real goes wrong? Like
the one?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Uh, what's the other Paul brother's name is it? Jake
Paul Jake Jake Jake Paul takes an actual boxing match
and then gets his jaw broke, right like after he's
been fighting the old men and former UFC fighters that
are getting into a boxing ring with him, and all
these other different kind of sideshow circus attraction type fights.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I can't remember the name of the box.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't follow boxing or the Paul brothers very closely,
and maybe that's on me.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I understand that they have a huge following. They're very popular.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Whether it's a popular or polarizing or whatever the draw is.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'm the outlier here, Okay, but I just can't imagine
that you would want to go through with this, that
you would want to actually go through with this because
these dudes, I guess Logan Paul is also in the
category of professional risk taker, and it does take some
level of strength and athleticism to do. I mean not
(36:26):
just some like I was very impressed. I was, you know,
this would be a finable offensive marion Ian, we're here,
But I was at the John Cena Logan Paul match
in Paris this past I guess that was a Labor
Day weekend, and like that was my first time really
being up close and personal and like seeing the level
of athleticism that goes into the WWE. I have a
(36:48):
very new respect for that as somebody who didn't really
grow up watching wrestling or any and really understand the
choreography of all the different training that goes into it.
But this is different if you're talking about fighting a
football player.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
These dudes.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
These dudes, do you know they do violence for money,
like real violence for money, not not what's going on
in a WWE ring. I get that there is still
some level of strain and strife to that, but this
is a very different ballgame that you're playing with very
different kind of people, and I don't think that you
would fare well against.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's not even like the big money dudes FITZI.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's like some I think, some practice squad guy who's
fighting his ass off to make a roster, who's you know,
coming in at vet minimum. I think that's the kind
of dude that would be hungry enough to go in
there and rip Logan Paul's face off for money.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And it's a win win for Logan because we're talking
about him right, like that's what he really wants. I
think that's thee element of this, like understandable. He's six
two to two o five. I always go back to
Damian Woody, who's just one of the nicest human beings
you could ever interact with. Damian Woody is a great guy.
Damian Woody shakes hands really, really, really carefully, really cautiously,
(38:02):
because his hands are I mean massive.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Now, I'm a small individual.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I'm the first one that I'm five nine and a half, right, Like,
what do I know, I'm a small dude.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I got tidy baby hands. I get it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But I laughed at Damien one time when we were
taking hands on something were sort of like bro Hugue
and I was like, oh, you're always so gentle, and
he said, you know, he's like you figure it out
over years, because, as he pointed out to me, I
used my hands for violence for so many years.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I want to be careful. I don't hurt people now.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And I thought about that because Damien would he just
shaking my hand in any sort of a firm handshake
way would physically hurt me. And again, I'm small, I'm
not Logan Paul's size. I think he's he's underestimating how
much lineman buck fight with their hands every single day
and how fast those hands are.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Adrian Peterson is famous for this just just bone crushing handshakes.
He was he was a Titan for like six seconds.
That was whenever Derek Hedrick broke his foot. I think
it was twenty twenty two. And like he went around
and shook guy's hands like media members hands when he
was doing his first introductory press conference and things like that.
It's real and like, I now, he's going out of
his way to make sure that you know that he's
(39:07):
got the best and the strongest handshake. That you've ever felt,
but like it was still one of those moments like
Oh I don't want anything to do with this ever,
Like this is how this guy plays football much less
shakes your hand.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, I just keep thinking about Aaron Donald, not a
current NFL player, but would absolutely kick his ass. All Right,
we mentioned Max Crosby, the rumormill won't stop. What's the
latest and what's it really mean? We'll tell you next.
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