March 12, 2026 • 41 mins
In Hour 2 of the show, Jonas Knox & Brady Quinn discuss Daniel Jones re-upping with the Indianapolis Colts and wonder how it could go in the long run. Plus, the guys react to the possible Thanksgiving Eve games being discussed by the NFL, we have our Express Pro of The Week, and more!!
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all sorts of NFL conversation to be had. We talked
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about the WBC Team Italy gets it done with a
bunch of guys from America. You have espresso and they
and a bunch of guys from America who can apparently
somewhat claim that they're Italian and nonetheless they are celebrating
somewhere in Italy that the baseball's bag. And I do
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wonder though, if this does spark maybe kids in Italy
wanting to play a little more baseball. I do wonder
if this stuff helps, because the Dream Team helped, you know,
when they saw, you know, some of those guys play internationally.
I think that helped with the NBA. I wouldn't necessarily
call Team Italy the Dream Team, but I do wonder
if maybe there's a couple of more kids to like,
(02:00):
you know what, I don't want to play soccer today,
give me a bat and a ball.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Petro said it yesterday, like do we even know if
they're aware this is going on in Italy? It feels
like more of an American derived sport here. I mean, look,
it's America's pastime. But also at the same time, even
though the World Baseball Classic seems like it's something we
came up with, are we aware they know what's going on? Like,
(02:26):
is there any live shots over in Italy while the
games are going?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I don't believe. So my buddy Romeo, you know about
just's just a complete and total scumback.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But he also not Italian. I mean he's Italian heritage,
but he's born in the US.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, but he is. I mean, like I've got a
ton of Italian, Like I'm more in an Italian jacket
right now. He got me like he just basically because
he knows I'll just wear because it's free, nice jacket,
and so he thank you. So he throws all this
stuff at me. And I was talking to him yesterday
because it was a birthday, and I said, a man,
team Italy goes. Yeah, I didn't even know they were playing.
(03:02):
I had no idea exactly, I had no idea. But
I'll go watch, you know, the end of the Italy
Mexico game. So, but congrats, they're onto the next round.
So it is the US. The WBC has been fun,
and congratulations to Daniel Jones who gets paid again and
I don't know what the career totals are going to
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look like what it's all said and done, but not bad.
Daniel Jones agrees to a two year, eighty eight million
dollar deal. He was they had snapped the was it
the transition tag on him, so they had slapped that
on him last week, But now he signs a two
year eighty eight million dollar deal, fifty million dollars guaranteed
at signing, sixty million guaranteed for injury with the Colts.
(03:48):
He was on the Pat mcavie show starring Ajayhawk yesterday
talking about the new deal.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I want to be back and I'm glad we got
to figure out and the transition tag. That whole process
was was interesting, but I always wanted to be here
and you know, had faith it would it would work out.
So yeah, definitely appreciative, grateful and fired up to be here.
We got a special thing going and working with this
coaching staff, working with the guys in the locker room,
and fired up to get Alec back and all that.
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So looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So now we wait to see what he looks like
upon his return.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, if you could become the player that you know
of all the quarterbacks that have come through recently. And
we've talked about this with Kirk Cousins. You know, Kirk
Cousins is in the Hall of Fame of business in
the NFL for as much money as he's made for
it one one playoff win whatever it is, Yeah, which
usually people you know, attribute like a playoff with with
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how much guys are getting paid, which it's not the case,
but it's pretty wild. I mean, I think Cousins has
made over with three hundred million whatever it is. Daniel
Jones is following close behind this contract. We'll put him
somewhere in the ballpark of total career earnings if he's
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able to earn out you know what is slated in
this contract, two hundred and fifty eight million ELI.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He's already up to two fifty eight after.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
This with this, with this contract now guaranteed, wise he'd
be over two hundred million Jesus, which is kind of
wild to think about because outside of his rookie year
and then you'd say half of last season, and maybe
you'd say there was a decent year in there too
where he was able to get the Giants to re
up him. Then that's been it. I mean he has
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been able to time he's been able to timely play
well enough to get paid every single time. And I
don't know if we started listing off starting quarterbacks in
the NFL, I honestly don't know if he'd be considered
in the top half of the league.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
To play. If you want to go through a list,
I'm in. Okay, all right, let's do it. All right,
So I'll give you a quarterback. You tell me if
you take them over Daniel Jones. Do we have any
game show music here? We've got a live studio band.
No stone unturned here expense wise on this show, we
basically took Levar's salary and we put it towards a
band for the three days here in studio with him out.
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All right, So Josh Allen, Josh Allen or Daniel of.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Course, not I mean Josh Allen over him.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, Malik Willis brand new quarterback for the Dolphins. Or
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, let's do this. Let's go based on twenty twenty five,
because we don't know what's gonna happen in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, So Tua or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I mean, I think two has been more productive, hasn't he. Yeah,
I think in order to get a tally, because you're
not going out about this in the right way, can
we get like some of the guys, because you're really
going on a haphazard way. Let's get some of the
top guys out of the way. So you're not gonna
say Mahomes. You're not gonna say Alan, You're not gonna
say Matt Stafford Fair, Yeah, lookay, Dak Prescott, Drake May, Trevor,
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Lawrence Williams, Justin Herbert Baker May, Like I'm not going
to take him over any of these guys, right. That's
Jordan Love, not gonna take him over him. Aaron Rodgers
wouldn't take him over him, Jalen Hurts, not gonna take
him over him. C J. Stroud I wouldn't take him over.
I wouldn't take Daniel Jones over c J. Stroud. So like
what Jared Goff, I'd take Jared Goff over at Daniel Jones,
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Drake May, I'd take Drake May over at Daniel Jones.
I'd take Sam Donald over Daniel Jones. Like we're getting
to the point where we're now probably somewhere and you're
at You're at fifteen, right there, there you go. Yeah,
Lamar Jackson didn't even say him. I wouldn't obviously take
you know, so they're sixteen. So now we're in the
bottom half of the league. So now you can go
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on with your list.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You said to what Tua, Well, I mean there's no
not even a need to do it now. I mean
because I think that because if you look at it Tua.
I can understand the argument because people look at the
low lights for Tua, but the highs for Tua have
been way higher than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I would also say that the lows are more injury
about it. I mean, it's not like Daniel Jones hasn't
had awful games too. Like the concern with two is
always just injury. But when he plays, he usually plays
decently well and he's usually able to win. I mean,
I would say this, let's be controversial. I look at
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Gino Smith. Guo Smith has had better seasons than Daniel Jones.
Now everyone's going to look back last year at Las Vegas.
Yeah all problem, Yeah the taste, Okay, well go put
Daniel Jones on that team. See how he performed.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, I agree. I agree, And I think that when
you mentioned, you know, he's twenty eight years old, he's
you know, when this deal is all said and done,
you know he'll be thirty, and you know he will have,
you know, potentially made two hundred and fifty something million dollars.
And it really just is a timing thing with him.
He was drafted high, and you know, contract year, whatever
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you want to call it, he ended up being on
teams where he had all the leverage, and even in
this one, and I know Pete Prisco was thrown out.
The idea, you know, go out and get Kyler Murray,
who reportedly is meeting with the Vikings later on today.
Go out and get Kyler Murray paying one point two
million or whatever the low number is, because you know,
Arizona's on the hook for the rest, and then let
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Daniel Jones walk. I just don't think Indianapolis wanted to
go through it again. They've gone through so many quarterbacks
since Andrew Luck left, like everything has been a stopgap quarterback.
They thought they had the answer here, They thought they
had the answer there. Anthony Richardson was brought in. They
used a high draft pick on him. That was a
complete disaster. They finally had some stability last year, and
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through the first half of the season, they're the best
team in the league, a really, really good team, and
then it got a little shaky, and then he got injured.
But I just think they looked around and Daniel Jones
found himself in an advantageous situation again where timing wise,
everything lined up for and he ends up getting two
years in eighty eight million coming off achille surgery.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I think what's interesting about it too, is he signed
the extension with the Giants in March of twenty twenty three.
That was when Brian Dable was the head coach, and
I want to say they moved off from Jones after
that year. Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, because twenty twenty four he finished up
for Maybe it was the following year, No, twenty twenty
four he finished up in Minnesota. So last year was
with Indianapolis. So yeah, it was pretty quick. Yeah, they
pulled the plug pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It was. It was kind of a pretty quick plug.
And I feel like, just to compare the two situations,
the Giants were in a bit of, I want to say,
a dire spot, but obviously they moved on from Brian
Dables soon after that, and now you look at the
Indiapolis Colts, Chris Ballard's got to win. I think Shane
Stiken feels like he has to win. And I feel
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like this decision was born out of saying he played
great the first half of the year. Yes, he's coming
off an injury, but what's our other option, Like, we
don't really have another option. We have to sign him
to this deal in order to give us a shot
of what we feel like we get built off of
last year, and give us a shot to retain our
jobs because otherwise, like I mean, Ballard for sure, I
(11:27):
think is the one that's probably on the hot seat
if this doesn't work, because ultimately it's his decision. He's
the general manager. He's signing Daniel Jones to this deal,
and he's the one who's built the roster. But if
you look at that track record too, that's been unfortunately
how it's worked out for teams that have been in
this position where they've extended Daniel Jones, usually it's ended
(11:47):
up in the in the head coach getting fired.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What is the because you've done games with the Colts,
what is the feedback of whether it's Stike in, whether
it's Chris Ballard. It does feel like Ballard's been there
a really long time.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like's they have not won a division title since Chris
Ballard's been there, And I think that's what's kind of
flown under the radar is you know, ultimately you can
point to the coaches, you can point to the quarterbacks,
but there's also someone who's in charge of the roster.
And this roster has at times had some players, but
I don't know that we've ever said it's built up
to the point of some of the others, even within
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the division, Like when you look at Houston's roster, you
look at Jacksonville's roster and the amount of talent first
round picks, it feels different when you compare the two.
So that's where I think there's a bit of a
frustration is the guy who's been in the general manager
since he's taken over, they have yet to win a
division title and they have yet to been able to
solve the quarterback spot. So here's another opportunity a guy
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who again played well for half the season last year
before getting hurt, and now they're investing back into it.
And I'm not saying that like this isn't the right decision,
It's just this has been the history with Daniel Jones
side of these deals with the teams he's played for,
and as we kind of laid out, and maybe Colts
fans would disagree, maybe you'd take him over some of
the quarterbacks that we had discussed and talked about, but
(13:17):
I wouldn't, you know. I think we've seen enough now
to kind of know where he's at. And last year
was a great example of right fit, right environment with
Shane Stichin and how that team operated. But we also
only saw for half the season. You know, we don't
know what that second half the season would have been like,
if they made it to the playoffs, what that would
have looked like. There's a lot of big question marks
still surrounding Daniel Jones. And look, maybe he's going to
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be like Sam Darnold where he can now use that
opportunity for whatever he learned in Minnesota, similar to Sam
where he's able to kind of take off now. But
it feels like that's what they're betting on an indie.
They're betting on that the first half of what we
saw last year, and we're going to see an entire
season of that then into the playoffs, and that honestly
might be what they need to do in order for
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chrispar to remain as the general manager.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I just think it's it's risky from the standpoint of
not only the history of Daniel Jones, but he is
coming off that injury, and you know, he Kirk Cousins
didn't seem like and I know he's Kirk Cousins was
at an advanced age, but he didn't seem like he
was the same coming off that injury. Daniel Jones a
more mobile quarterback. I just wonder what that looks like,
(14:25):
you know, following the Achilles and and the stuff that
happened with him. And so that that's where I look
at this and I go, all right, man, like a
two year deal, you're giving him a lot of money.
He's got, you know, the sixty million dollar injury guarantee
and whatever attached to it. But I don't know what
if a He's going to be fully ready to go
when the season opens, and then what that looks like
(14:46):
for them, like maybe you're not going to maybe that
first half of last season is the peak of Daniel
Jones and and This is just going to be a
roll the dice and it might cost some people some jobs.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Two things I think to your point, there definitely is
some concern and looking at Cousins O their cousins was older,
and I think that injury is harder to come off
of a little bit, you know, for a guy like
him at that age. However, Cousins is a pocket passer.
You know, He's a guy that when he drops back,
he's not going to move off that spot.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
He is your traditional pocket passer that every defense talks about.
Move him off the spot, move him off the spot,
because he's not gonna be as accurate of a quarterback.
And so he falls in that category. Daniel Jones is not.
Daniel Jones is very athletic. He's very capable of impacting
the game with his legs, which will make this not
only is scheme interesting, but what the passing game looks
like even off of that. You know, are they going
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to move the pocket with him? You know, how well
is he going to move, you know, getting in and
out of the pocket. So there's a number of things
that I think it could potentially change, and it may
take some time before he feels confident and comfortable with it.
You know. One of the hardest things I think about
a non contact injury, and that was what Daniel Jones suffered,
is it wasn't like from a hit. You don't have
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to blame it on the way a guy landed on you,
way you felt something else. You lose confidence in your
body's ability to respond. And that's a scary thing for
an athlete because every time you run out there, you
feel like that freak accident could happen again, and you
don't know how to necessarily prepare your body to avoid that.
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You've got just all these questions running in your mind,
wondering like when's the next time it's gonna happen. So
there's gonna be a mental hurder for sure for him
to get over. There's gonna be a manner in which
they're going to try to implement him back into the offense,
and we'll see what that looks like. But I look
at this and just say, he's a little bit younger,
(16:39):
so that plays to his advantage. But Kirk Cousins would
have told you, and I think the coaching staff there
in Atlanta, you know, said as well, he really his
first year back from It was not one hundred percent.
You know, couldn't really step in and get into throws
as much. Didn't feel as comfortable with it, and it
showed in his play. Now, you know, coming in this
past season, different story. But again that's going to be
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the concern for Daniel Jones is they're paying him to
be the guy. And I don't want to say make
or break year, but let's just call it a big
year for Chris Ballard and Coe, and I'm not sure
he's going to be the same player physically. You know,
that's a legit concern.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
By the way, I was looking back at since Andrew
Luck retired, a different quarterback has led the Colts and
touchdown passes every single year. So you had Jacoby Brissette,
Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan Gardner, Minshew, Joe Flacco,
and then Daniel Jones. So it's literally been a revolving door.
And I get to I had to be honest with you, man,
(17:38):
Carson Wentz his year in twenty twenty one was way
better than what I remembered it like that was a
you know, he threw for over thirty five hundred yards
twenty seven touchdowns, seven interceptions, and I think what marred
that season for Carson Wentz and you and I were
working together at that time. That was when the Colts
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needed to beat Jacksonville right the final week of the season,
and the fans dressed up as clowns. They had a
clown out because that was the year they fired urban
Meyer with a couple of games left and the Colts
went in there were favorites and lost, and I think
that marred how everybody viewed Carson Wentz's time there with Indianapolis.
(18:20):
But if you actually look back the numbers, he wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well, the issue really came down to this. You were
so hard on him for having that thing on the
back of his neck.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh that was just repulsive. Yeah that was and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Know if it was just an ingrown hair of what
was going on, but you could not get over it.
You kept talking about it the entire season.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Like the back of his neck looked like the surface
of Mars. He had he had these like either ingrown
hairs or pimples or I don't know if if his
helmet was riding low and it was just agitating his skin.
But the guy had just zitbrail from outer space all
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over the back of his neck, and they would just
do these close ups on it. You know, Carson Carson
Wentz recovering from whatever injury it was, and they're doing
this close up on him and it's like, you know,
he's got like a little microwaveable di giorno on the
back of his neck, and people are like just trying
to ignore that and focus on the injury they're discussing,
is his arms in a sling. It's like, dude, we're
(19:22):
not talking about his arm in a sling. We're trying
to figure out who spilled ragou on that guy's hair
and let it drain all over the back of his head.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
All right. If anything, it looked like a volcano ready
to explode, like with a strong wind. Had they played
outdoors that yellow headed Oh yeah, just in the wind.
We've all been there, Like you've seen somebody walks over
with the yellowhead and you're like, gosh, I just want
to pop that thing like.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
A dog sticking his tongue out the window and the
car behind him is just catching all the shaftfel Yeah,
strong gots to win. That thing's opening up. God's gross,
but had a pretty decent year and that wasn't good enough.
So another one and done for the Colts. But at
least they've got some some you know, somebody with some
familiarity there for year two is Daniel Jones's back. So
(20:10):
that's a good good news for Indianapolis, real good news.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I don't know what brag you had to do with
anything there.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Uh well, it's just good. Like his neck, it's gross, dude,
Like they probably find a picture of it somewhere. Lorraina
seems like one of those types that likes poppings. It's though.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
She would hop the fence. They're like, oh, no, a
streaker and she's like, no, I'm just gonna pop that.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I got it. I got it.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm not saying I enjoy it, but like there's a
little bit of satisfaction out of it, for sure. I
do have a friend who likes watching videos of people
popping sits. Have you seen those those viral ones where
they get like those really deep ones that's gross and
like a mile long.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You would need you would need a crescent wrench to
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they are a they're a wrecking ball. And apparently they're
not really worried about every high school reunion across the country.
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They're not worried about everybody's you know, trying to get
together and get in town the Wednesday before Thanksgiving to
celebrate the holiday. Because the NFL is now considering playing
a game the night before Thanksgiving now too, all right,
so they've already got the Thanksgiving games, they've already got
Black Friday games. The NFL is now talking about the
(23:49):
Wednesday before Thanksgiving to play.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's a maction, man, that's a mactory. You can't take
over that part of the schedule, come on now.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So it's just like, I mean, look, I love the
end they try to.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Take up this timeslot. I'm boycotting from that just I
don't want to see an NFL game on that particular night.
It's encroaching on the college football schedule. Now, let me
just say this, is it because they feel like there's
a great opportunity there for ratings or is this more
(24:25):
about just trying to make sure the NFL, you know,
showcase itself as the professional league.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Look, I get the Christmas transition to want to put
games on Christmas because they're like, you know what, there's
an opportunity there. There's a lot of people home, a
lot of people that you know, want to watch. We
can we can take over this and dominate that and
NBA screw you. I get all that. Like that totally
makes sense. But it's not as if you're void of
football during the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. Like you got games
(24:57):
on Thursday, you got Black Friday. You've really got a
bookend Thanksgiving now too. And I guess we should have
seen this coming up. I never I never thought that
this would have been the approach. I would have just
assumed that, hey, you know, all you gotta do is
get to Thursday. You're gonna have multiple games, and then
you've got the game following Thanksgiving, and then we've got
the weekend to have a bunch of games. And instead
(25:19):
they're just gonna throw out, all right, well we'll just
take Wednesday too. I mean, basically the way the schedule
would look, and this according to Jonathan Jones of CBS,
the schedule would look like this. On Sunday, November twenty second,
you'd have your regular Sunday slate of games. You'd have
Monday Night football. The next day, they'd give you Tuesday off,
(25:40):
all right, so hey, we're gonna take a break here.
Everybody enjoy Tuesday. And then Wednesday, on Thanksgiving Eve, you'd
have a game. Thanksgiving, you'd have three games. Black Friday
you would have one or two games. No games on
Saturday because that you know, that'll be Michigan, Ohio State.
We know where you'll be. And then Sunday will be
(26:03):
your regular slate of games, and then Monday they'll give
you a game. At that point, why don't you just
take the whole week, Like, why don't you just let's
spread this out, just like put a Tuesday game on,
take one of those three games you got on Thanksgiving
and just put it on Tuesday. If we're going this far,
just do the whole week. Do it as a trial run.
You were talking about this during COVID, once teams started
(26:24):
figuring out people were going to watch on any day
of the week because it's the NFL. Let's just go
all the way with this, because the fact that this
comes out that they're thinking about doing. It just tells
me it's going to happen. And I don't think it
stops here. I think eventually there's going to be a
full blown takeover.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well I don't know about a full blown takeover, but
I do wonder how the partnership with ESPN plays a
role in all of this. You know, ESPN had invested
heavily into two sports up until recently with kind of
this I want to call it merger, but you know,
buying a portion of the NFL media rights. No excuse
(27:03):
me about media companies. It used to be college football
and it was the NBA, like that was the two
sports they invested heavily into. And then now that they've
invested into the NFL, it feels a bit as if
they've they've pivoted some And I wonder at one point
and if there is anyone advocating for college football, which
(27:24):
there's not. There's not one, you know, overseeing body to
all of this, whereas the NFL obviously Roger Cadell speaks
for all thirty two teams. There's no one out there
kind of looking to protect what is the best interest
of college football. And one of the reasons why I
feel like, you know, the NFL game has presented so well,
is you have so many different networks and perspectives that
(27:45):
are presenting that sport to everyone, and they're able to
kind of control it too, because the NFL is so powerful.
But with college football and this whole thing kind of
flying off the rails with no one helping to guide it,
it allows then a network who's got the entire college
(28:05):
football playoff at this point or at least control of it,
to now not put it at the forefront because that's
not their main objective. You know, ESPN's main objective now
is making sure they highlight the NFL, and you know
they're they're walking step in step with what the NFL
wants to do from a scheduling standpoint, not college football.
That's an afterthought. You know, if you had more parties
(28:26):
involved and you might say, well, hey, they're the same
parties that are involved in the NFL too, Well that's fine,
but at least all those different networks that are putting forth,
whether it's college football games at that point in the season,
which mind you, are more important than than the NFL
games at that point. You know, when college football they
play less games, So you can make the case that
every single game is more important than you know any
(28:48):
of the you know, seventeen now eighteen in the future
regular seat and get your regular season games the NFL plays.
But at the end of the season right there, like
you're talking about potential games for teams to play for
a Alford's championship, teams to play into the playoff, all
that's going on at that particular weekend.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The main event that weekend is Michigan Ohio State without
an NFL a college football I don't want to hear
anybody say anything different.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
No, and I think most people would tell you too,
like that's rivalry weekend. That's a weekend where I'll be
quite frank, I don't care what's going on in the NFL.
I don't like, there's not one game that's going to
change the rest of the year for one fan base
versus another, not for bragging rights or anything else. And
there's probably some fans who are purely NFL fans who disagree,
(29:32):
who don't have a college football to tie to. But
that's a huge weekend in the context of every alma
mater for college football. And again my concern is that
ESPN is not going to have college football's best interest
in mind. They're going to bow down to the NFL,
(29:52):
and they're not going to protect the second biggest sport
in this country, which is college football, which is still growing.
And so that's my issue with seeing all of this is,
you know, I feel like the NFL, now with their
partnership with ESPN, is just going to walk all over
the college football schedule and ESPN is going to do
anything about it. You know, at least for college football.
(30:15):
Some of the other networks have tried to protect their
assets and when they are playing those games and when
they're playing their NFL games, you don't see that quite
as much. So that's that's the greater issue here. You know.
We could talk about the NFL is trying to you know,
couple this into their Thanksgiving Day games, which which have
been huge. There's obviously, uh, you know, tremendous viewership for that,
(30:37):
but that's because that's been a day they've owned for
a long time. You know, this to me, it's unnecessary. Like, again,
I keep going back to Mark Cuban's quote, is the
pig getting too fat? And I do think we're getting
to that point with the NFL well, and maybe it's
partly testing it out to see, but I would rather
see them work in different games throughout the course week
(31:01):
during the regular season, but not on holidays, like, not
on this particular week, not around this time, doesn't make
as much sense.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I just like I said, I could understand the Christmas
switch because you hadn't done that before. There was nothing,
you know, really in the vicinity of it. And but
this one, dude, you got enough going on that week.
It's okay to take Tuesday and Wednesday off, Like it's okay,
it's okay, you don't have a game on Tuesday and Wednesday.
You've got three on Thanksgiving. Like I remember what it
(31:28):
used to just be two. Why there would just be
two games and you would have your twelve thirty Eastern kick,
you know, whether it was the Lions or the Cowboys,
and then you'd have that and then you'd have the
evening off. Now they've taken that evening, so now you've
got you know, it's not like these games are going
head to head. They stagger the whole day. So if
it's a three hour football game at minimum, you've got
nine hours of football on Thanksgiving. That should be enough.
(31:52):
Now we gotta have Black Friday. Okay, fine, it's Amazon,
people are shopping. I get all that. I understand the
tie to it, get all that. But then it's like,
now let's just take Wednesday. Okay, So then what are
you gonna take. You're gonna take Sunday off? No, that's
the regular slate of games. Also, we've got It's just
there's a lot, man, and I and I and I
(32:14):
get it. There's gonna be a market for it, and
it'll they'll probably sell to a streaming service. Uh, somebody
will pay an absorbitant amount of money to get that game,
whether it's Peacock or Netflix or somebody like that. And
once the NFL knows they can make money from a
streaming service and have that done, I think this is
just a foregone conclusion. I think it's gonna happen. I'm
not crazy about it, but I think the NFL just
(32:35):
sees this as another opportunity to take over. Like it's
just it's kind of wild. But yeah, there's nothing and
at that at that time of the season, what week
is it in the NFL? But like week eleven, week twelve,
something like that, Like, dude, you got a whole. You
got six more games to go. Nothing that weekend is
(32:55):
going to impact the outcome of the NFL season. Like no,
Like you're like, don't have the point to where teams
are tanking yet for the most part, Like it's so
nothing that's happening that weekend, which is why dude, you've
got every the Iron Bowl is that weekend, You've got
the game, like, you've got all of those major college
football games, and now it's you know, the NFL is
going to try and going to hijack away the Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So I was also thinking for a scheduling standpoint, I mean,
two of those teams they'll I'll be coming off a bye.
I mean, how else you going to fit that in there? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's uh.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I mean you could have made the excuse like if
teams are playing Thursday night games, you know that that
week prior, you know, playing them then on a Wednesday
would be fine, But now you're talking about Tuesday night.
That's not enough rest time. At least I wouldn't I
wouldn't want that. I mean most teams coming off Thursday
night games end up having a buye you know that,
Like they'll play that game and then they kind of
(33:50):
have some rest before then playing a Sunday game the
following week. So from a scheduling standpoint, it makes it
that much more difficult too. But again, the NFL is
going to do what they feel like is in the
best interest of their bottom line. I just don't know
how moving to this time slot helps the bottom line
that much more. And you're talking about one game in
(34:12):
primetime on a Tuesday night before. I mean, I don't know,
it doesn't It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
They're not even doing their traditional Super Bowl Champion opens
up at home on a Thursday night this year because
they've got a game in Australia. I think, so the
season is starting on the Wednesday before the Thursday game.
It does feel like there's a push for them to
take over Wednesdays, like that's what That's what it feels
like to me that they look at it and go, yeah,
Tuesday's cutting it close. But maybe we could squeeze in
(34:39):
some Wednesday games here, because it does feel like that's
that's happening a little more.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
This is where Max needs a stand up yeah and
say get the hell out of here. This is our territory.
But again, that's ESPN. They don't care about college football
as much as they claim to. If they did, they'd care,
they'd care more about maction and the sacred ground that
it holds on their channel for their media right. But also,
but also, I believe those media rights are coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah. I was just gonna say, when when's the MAC
media right deal come to an end? Because maybe, uh,
maybe there's a conversation we had. You could be you
could be the maction guy to try and maybe try.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I believe they are set to expire this year, so
I assume the negotiating window has been open.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
All right, there we go. Yeah, it's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
God, I hope it goes somewhere else. I can't think
someone else takes over maction and they continue to keep
highlighting it early in the week like this.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I can't wait to hear you do the show via
the Lucy app from a Bowling Green game.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
When you're on the call, I'll be up there with
Eddy George. I'll be up there. You want to send
me up there Toledo standing the rockets, I'll be there.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's one of my favorite things to do. Early on
you watch the MAC and it's like, yeah, you know,
the weather is still pretty nice out here, and just
some random, random city and on a weeknight in the
Midwest and it's pouring snow like just you know, in November,
like it's fun. Nor in Illinois. Watch a bunch of
Northern Illinois games, Toledo Bowling, Green Miami of Ohio. That's fun.
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is time to hand out an award on this show.
It's time for our Express Pros Pro of the Week
and the Pro the Week goes too. Cooper has It
tries to spin away from Drew, who has it.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
Bam has it, get it up, threw it down with
the right hand hammer to be the finest single game
score in the history of the Miami Heat. He got up,
He threw it down for one of, if not the
most delicious Bam sandwich of his.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Career, and quickly into band. He's got space, head down,
Spins puts it up, and BAM's going to the line again.
Bam on a bio is a complete monster.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
And really get the ball into bashand the right way
only will stable.
Speaker 9 (38:03):
It has more points in an NBA game in association
history than Bamota Bayo, who has eighty two eighty three
for Pamauta Bio thirty six.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Of forty three from the line.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
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could do. Because there was a real negative angle taken
by Brady Quinn on the Bamouta bayo accomplishment of scoring
eighty three points, which I thought was disrespectful. The guy
should be celebrated. He only missed seven free throws and
he took forty three.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
So I don't know why you gready. I mean, there
is that part of his game that I do appreciate.
I mean, and I watched a cut up of all
of them. I watched a whole thirty six that he
made go right in the hoop, that kind of time,
one and a half minute compilation on social media, so
I watched all of it, but come on, man, I mean,
(39:27):
it's just.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
It's also the There's been a lot of people that
really were appalled at the criticism that it got, and
to those people, I say, sorry for expecting that things
be on the up and up in an athletic competition.
I'm sorry. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to be
so negative about the charades that were going on to
(39:50):
get a guy a record in which both teams were involved.
I'm sorry. No, just continue on, continue on with the
circus tent. Next up, you know, Esposro will come out
on a unit cycle and juggle bowling pins and everybody
else is gonna that's fine, that that was on us.
We should celebrate him and stop being so negative. My apologize.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
I could care less if someone's upset about us, you know,
saying that it doesn't feel as legitimate as some of
the ones in the past. I'm sorry. Look at the stats,
look at how it happened. You'd be hard pressed to
find anyone with a brain cell that wouldn't come away
thinking that way unless they're just like a blindly NBA
Miami Heat fanboy and that's how they want to handle it.
(40:29):
So that's who you are. That's fine, do you you know,
you could be excited about it. I think it's awesome
for him. He's a great guy. He's a really good player.
But don't act like it stacks up the same as
Kobe's did or Will Chamberlains did.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
By the way, I remember you remember Ricky Davis and
he can play for the Calves back in the day. Yeah,
he played for the Celtics as well too, and he
was a good six man. He was in the league
for a while. Remember, he got criticism because when he
was on the Calves, he intentionally missed a shot so
he could get his own rebound to get a triple double.
And everyone's like, oh my god, how could he do that.
It's like, well, this is kind of the same thing,
(41:03):
Like you're manipulating what's happening in a game so you
can go chase stats and go chase a record. So
for people that you know, are upset with some of
the criticism, we got current NBA players sticking up for him.
I'm sorry, man, People just remember what the league was
back in the day and this didn't look anything like
it is what it is. Don't know what to tell you.
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all sorts of NFL conversation to be had. We talked
(01:18):
about the WBC Team Italy gets it done with a
bunch of guys from America. You have espresso and they
and a bunch of guys from America who can apparently
somewhat claim that they're Italian and nonetheless they are celebrating
somewhere in Italy that the baseball's bag. And I do
(01:39):
wonder though, if this does spark maybe kids in Italy
wanting to play a little more baseball. I do wonder
if this stuff helps, because the Dream Team helped, you know,
when they saw, you know, some of those guys play internationally.
I think that helped with the NBA. I wouldn't necessarily
call Team Italy the Dream Team, but I do wonder
if maybe there's a couple of more kids to like,
(02:00):
you know what, I don't want to play soccer today,
give me a bat and a ball.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Petro said it yesterday, like do we even know if
they're aware this is going on in Italy? It feels
like more of an American derived sport here. I mean, look,
it's America's pastime. But also at the same time, even
though the World Baseball Classic seems like it's something we
came up with, are we aware they know what's going on? Like,
(02:26):
is there any live shots over in Italy while the
games are going?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I don't believe. So my buddy Romeo, you know about
just's just a complete and total scumback.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But he also not Italian. I mean he's Italian heritage,
but he's born in the US.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, but he is. I mean, like I've got a
ton of Italian, Like I'm more in an Italian jacket
right now. He got me like he just basically because
he knows I'll just wear because it's free, nice jacket,
and so he thank you. So he throws all this
stuff at me. And I was talking to him yesterday
because it was a birthday, and I said, a man,
team Italy goes. Yeah, I didn't even know they were playing.
(03:02):
I had no idea exactly, I had no idea. But
I'll go watch, you know, the end of the Italy
Mexico game. So, but congrats, they're onto the next round.
So it is the US. The WBC has been fun,
and congratulations to Daniel Jones who gets paid again and
I don't know what the career totals are going to
(03:24):
look like what it's all said and done, but not bad.
Daniel Jones agrees to a two year, eighty eight million
dollar deal. He was they had snapped the was it
the transition tag on him, so they had slapped that
on him last week, But now he signs a two
year eighty eight million dollar deal, fifty million dollars guaranteed
at signing, sixty million guaranteed for injury with the Colts.
(03:48):
He was on the Pat mcavie show starring Ajayhawk yesterday
talking about the new deal.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I want to be back and I'm glad we got
to figure out and the transition tag. That whole process
was was interesting, but I always wanted to be here
and you know, had faith it would it would work out.
So yeah, definitely appreciative, grateful and fired up to be here.
We got a special thing going and working with this
coaching staff, working with the guys in the locker room,
and fired up to get Alec back and all that.
(04:14):
So looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So now we wait to see what he looks like
upon his return.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, if you could become the player that you know
of all the quarterbacks that have come through recently. And
we've talked about this with Kirk Cousins. You know, Kirk
Cousins is in the Hall of Fame of business in
the NFL for as much money as he's made for
it one one playoff win whatever it is, Yeah, which
usually people you know, attribute like a playoff with with
(04:44):
how much guys are getting paid, which it's not the case,
but it's pretty wild. I mean, I think Cousins has
made over with three hundred million whatever it is. Daniel
Jones is following close behind this contract. We'll put him
somewhere in the ballpark of total career earnings if he's
(05:04):
able to earn out you know what is slated in
this contract, two hundred and fifty eight million ELI.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He's already up to two fifty eight after.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
This with this, with this contract now guaranteed, wise he'd
be over two hundred million Jesus, which is kind of
wild to think about because outside of his rookie year
and then you'd say half of last season, and maybe
you'd say there was a decent year in there too
where he was able to get the Giants to re
up him. Then that's been it. I mean he has
(05:35):
been able to time he's been able to timely play
well enough to get paid every single time. And I
don't know if we started listing off starting quarterbacks in
the NFL, I honestly don't know if he'd be considered
in the top half of the league.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
To play. If you want to go through a list,
I'm in. Okay, all right, let's do it. All right,
So I'll give you a quarterback. You tell me if
you take them over Daniel Jones. Do we have any
game show music here? We've got a live studio band.
No stone unturned here expense wise on this show, we
basically took Levar's salary and we put it towards a
band for the three days here in studio with him out.
(06:14):
All right, So Josh Allen, Josh Allen or Daniel of.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Course, not I mean Josh Allen over him.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, Malik Willis brand new quarterback for the Dolphins. Or
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, let's do this. Let's go based on twenty twenty five,
because we don't know what's gonna happen in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, So Tua or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I mean, I think two has been more productive, hasn't he. Yeah,
I think in order to get a tally, because you're
not going out about this in the right way, can
we get like some of the guys, because you're really
going on a haphazard way. Let's get some of the
top guys out of the way. So you're not gonna
say Mahomes. You're not gonna say Alan, You're not gonna
say Matt Stafford Fair, Yeah, lookay, Dak Prescott, Drake May, Trevor,
(06:59):
Lawrence Williams, Justin Herbert Baker May, Like I'm not going
to take him over any of these guys, right. That's
Jordan Love, not gonna take him over him. Aaron Rodgers
wouldn't take him over him, Jalen Hurts, not gonna take
him over him. C J. Stroud I wouldn't take him over.
I wouldn't take Daniel Jones over c J. Stroud. So like
what Jared Goff, I'd take Jared Goff over at Daniel Jones,
(07:20):
Drake May, I'd take Drake May over at Daniel Jones.
I'd take Sam Donald over Daniel Jones. Like we're getting
to the point where we're now probably somewhere and you're
at You're at fifteen, right there, there you go. Yeah,
Lamar Jackson didn't even say him. I wouldn't obviously take
you know, so they're sixteen. So now we're in the
bottom half of the league. So now you can go
(07:41):
on with your list.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You said to what Tua, Well, I mean there's no
not even a need to do it now. I mean
because I think that because if you look at it Tua.
I can understand the argument because people look at the
low lights for Tua, but the highs for Tua have
been way higher than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I would also say that the lows are more injury
about it. I mean, it's not like Daniel Jones hasn't
had awful games too. Like the concern with two is
always just injury. But when he plays, he usually plays
decently well and he's usually able to win. I mean,
I would say this, let's be controversial. I look at
(08:22):
Gino Smith. Guo Smith has had better seasons than Daniel Jones.
Now everyone's going to look back last year at Las Vegas.
Yeah all problem, Yeah the taste, Okay, well go put
Daniel Jones on that team. See how he performed.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, I agree. I agree, And I think that when
you mentioned, you know, he's twenty eight years old, he's
you know, when this deal is all said and done,
you know he'll be thirty, and you know he will have,
you know, potentially made two hundred and fifty something million dollars.
And it really just is a timing thing with him.
He was drafted high, and you know, contract year, whatever
(08:59):
you want to call it, he ended up being on
teams where he had all the leverage, and even in
this one, and I know Pete Prisco was thrown out.
The idea, you know, go out and get Kyler Murray,
who reportedly is meeting with the Vikings later on today.
Go out and get Kyler Murray paying one point two
million or whatever the low number is, because you know,
Arizona's on the hook for the rest, and then let
(09:21):
Daniel Jones walk. I just don't think Indianapolis wanted to
go through it again. They've gone through so many quarterbacks
since Andrew Luck left, like everything has been a stopgap quarterback.
They thought they had the answer here, They thought they
had the answer there. Anthony Richardson was brought in. They
used a high draft pick on him. That was a
complete disaster. They finally had some stability last year, and
(09:43):
through the first half of the season, they're the best
team in the league, a really, really good team, and
then it got a little shaky, and then he got injured.
But I just think they looked around and Daniel Jones
found himself in an advantageous situation again where timing wise,
everything lined up for and he ends up getting two
years in eighty eight million coming off achille surgery.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I think what's interesting about it too, is he signed
the extension with the Giants in March of twenty twenty three.
That was when Brian Dable was the head coach, and
I want to say they moved off from Jones after
that year. Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, because twenty twenty four he finished up
for Maybe it was the following year, No, twenty twenty
four he finished up in Minnesota. So last year was
with Indianapolis. So yeah, it was pretty quick. Yeah, they
pulled the plug pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It was. It was kind of a pretty quick plug.
And I feel like, just to compare the two situations,
the Giants were in a bit of, I want to say,
a dire spot, but obviously they moved on from Brian
Dables soon after that, and now you look at the
Indiapolis Colts, Chris Ballard's got to win. I think Shane
Stiken feels like he has to win. And I feel
(11:04):
like this decision was born out of saying he played
great the first half of the year. Yes, he's coming
off an injury, but what's our other option, Like, we
don't really have another option. We have to sign him
to this deal in order to give us a shot
of what we feel like we get built off of
last year, and give us a shot to retain our
jobs because otherwise, like I mean, Ballard for sure, I
(11:27):
think is the one that's probably on the hot seat
if this doesn't work, because ultimately it's his decision. He's
the general manager. He's signing Daniel Jones to this deal,
and he's the one who's built the roster. But if
you look at that track record too, that's been unfortunately
how it's worked out for teams that have been in
this position where they've extended Daniel Jones, usually it's ended
(11:47):
up in the in the head coach getting fired.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What is the because you've done games with the Colts,
what is the feedback of whether it's Stike in, whether
it's Chris Ballard. It does feel like Ballard's been there
a really long time.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like's they have not won a division title since Chris
Ballard's been there, And I think that's what's kind of
flown under the radar is you know, ultimately you can
point to the coaches, you can point to the quarterbacks,
but there's also someone who's in charge of the roster.
And this roster has at times had some players, but
I don't know that we've ever said it's built up
to the point of some of the others, even within
(12:28):
the division, Like when you look at Houston's roster, you
look at Jacksonville's roster and the amount of talent first
round picks, it feels different when you compare the two.
So that's where I think there's a bit of a
frustration is the guy who's been in the general manager
since he's taken over, they have yet to win a
division title and they have yet to been able to
solve the quarterback spot. So here's another opportunity a guy
(12:52):
who again played well for half the season last year
before getting hurt, and now they're investing back into it.
And I'm not saying that like this isn't the right decision,
It's just this has been the history with Daniel Jones
side of these deals with the teams he's played for,
and as we kind of laid out, and maybe Colts
fans would disagree, maybe you'd take him over some of
the quarterbacks that we had discussed and talked about, but
(13:17):
I wouldn't, you know. I think we've seen enough now
to kind of know where he's at. And last year
was a great example of right fit, right environment with
Shane Stichin and how that team operated. But we also
only saw for half the season. You know, we don't
know what that second half the season would have been like,
if they made it to the playoffs, what that would
have looked like. There's a lot of big question marks
still surrounding Daniel Jones. And look, maybe he's going to
(13:39):
be like Sam Darnold where he can now use that
opportunity for whatever he learned in Minnesota, similar to Sam
where he's able to kind of take off now. But
it feels like that's what they're betting on an indie.
They're betting on that the first half of what we
saw last year, and we're going to see an entire
season of that then into the playoffs, and that honestly
might be what they need to do in order for
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chrispar to remain as the general manager.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I just think it's it's risky from the standpoint of
not only the history of Daniel Jones, but he is
coming off that injury, and you know, he Kirk Cousins
didn't seem like and I know he's Kirk Cousins was
at an advanced age, but he didn't seem like he
was the same coming off that injury. Daniel Jones a
more mobile quarterback. I just wonder what that looks like,
(14:25):
you know, following the Achilles and and the stuff that
happened with him. And so that that's where I look
at this and I go, all right, man, like a
two year deal, you're giving him a lot of money.
He's got, you know, the sixty million dollar injury guarantee
and whatever attached to it. But I don't know what
if a He's going to be fully ready to go
when the season opens, and then what that looks like
(14:46):
for them, like maybe you're not going to maybe that
first half of last season is the peak of Daniel
Jones and and This is just going to be a
roll the dice and it might cost some people some jobs.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Two things I think to your point, there definitely is
some concern and looking at Cousins O their cousins was older,
and I think that injury is harder to come off
of a little bit, you know, for a guy like
him at that age. However, Cousins is a pocket passer.
You know, He's a guy that when he drops back,
he's not going to move off that spot.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
He is your traditional pocket passer that every defense talks about.
Move him off the spot, move him off the spot,
because he's not gonna be as accurate of a quarterback.
And so he falls in that category. Daniel Jones is not.
Daniel Jones is very athletic. He's very capable of impacting
the game with his legs, which will make this not
only is scheme interesting, but what the passing game looks
like even off of that. You know, are they going
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to move the pocket with him? You know, how well
is he going to move, you know, getting in and
out of the pocket. So there's a number of things
that I think it could potentially change, and it may
take some time before he feels confident and comfortable with it.
You know. One of the hardest things I think about
a non contact injury, and that was what Daniel Jones suffered,
is it wasn't like from a hit. You don't have
(15:57):
to blame it on the way a guy landed on you,
way you felt something else. You lose confidence in your
body's ability to respond. And that's a scary thing for
an athlete because every time you run out there, you
feel like that freak accident could happen again, and you
don't know how to necessarily prepare your body to avoid that.
(16:18):
You've got just all these questions running in your mind,
wondering like when's the next time it's gonna happen. So
there's gonna be a mental hurder for sure for him
to get over. There's gonna be a manner in which
they're going to try to implement him back into the offense,
and we'll see what that looks like. But I look
at this and just say, he's a little bit younger,
(16:39):
so that plays to his advantage. But Kirk Cousins would
have told you, and I think the coaching staff there
in Atlanta, you know, said as well, he really his
first year back from It was not one hundred percent.
You know, couldn't really step in and get into throws
as much. Didn't feel as comfortable with it, and it
showed in his play. Now, you know, coming in this
past season, different story. But again that's going to be
(17:02):
the concern for Daniel Jones is they're paying him to
be the guy. And I don't want to say make
or break year, but let's just call it a big
year for Chris Ballard and Coe, and I'm not sure
he's going to be the same player physically. You know,
that's a legit concern.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
By the way, I was looking back at since Andrew
Luck retired, a different quarterback has led the Colts and
touchdown passes every single year. So you had Jacoby Brissette,
Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan Gardner, Minshew, Joe Flacco,
and then Daniel Jones. So it's literally been a revolving door.
And I get to I had to be honest with you, man,
(17:38):
Carson Wentz his year in twenty twenty one was way
better than what I remembered it like that was a
you know, he threw for over thirty five hundred yards
twenty seven touchdowns, seven interceptions, and I think what marred
that season for Carson Wentz and you and I were
working together at that time. That was when the Colts
(17:59):
needed to beat Jacksonville right the final week of the season,
and the fans dressed up as clowns. They had a
clown out because that was the year they fired urban
Meyer with a couple of games left and the Colts
went in there were favorites and lost, and I think
that marred how everybody viewed Carson Wentz's time there with Indianapolis.
(18:20):
But if you actually look back the numbers, he wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well, the issue really came down to this. You were
so hard on him for having that thing on the
back of his neck.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh that was just repulsive. Yeah that was and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Know if it was just an ingrown hair of what
was going on, but you could not get over it.
You kept talking about it the entire season.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Like the back of his neck looked like the surface
of Mars. He had he had these like either ingrown
hairs or pimples or I don't know if if his
helmet was riding low and it was just agitating his skin.
But the guy had just zitbrail from outer space all
(19:00):
over the back of his neck, and they would just
do these close ups on it. You know, Carson Carson
Wentz recovering from whatever injury it was, and they're doing
this close up on him and it's like, you know,
he's got like a little microwaveable di giorno on the
back of his neck, and people are like just trying
to ignore that and focus on the injury they're discussing,
is his arms in a sling. It's like, dude, we're
(19:22):
not talking about his arm in a sling. We're trying
to figure out who spilled ragou on that guy's hair
and let it drain all over the back of his head.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
All right. If anything, it looked like a volcano ready
to explode, like with a strong wind. Had they played
outdoors that yellow headed Oh yeah, just in the wind.
We've all been there, Like you've seen somebody walks over
with the yellowhead and you're like, gosh, I just want
to pop that thing like.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
A dog sticking his tongue out the window and the
car behind him is just catching all the shaftfel Yeah,
strong gots to win. That thing's opening up. God's gross,
but had a pretty decent year and that wasn't good enough.
So another one and done for the Colts. But at
least they've got some some you know, somebody with some
familiarity there for year two is Daniel Jones's back. So
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that's a good good news for Indianapolis, real good news.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I don't know what brag you had to do with
anything there.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Uh well, it's just good. Like his neck, it's gross, dude,
Like they probably find a picture of it somewhere. Lorraina
seems like one of those types that likes poppings. It's though.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
She would hop the fence. They're like, oh, no, a
streaker and she's like, no, I'm just gonna pop that.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I got it. I got it.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm not saying I enjoy it, but like there's a
little bit of satisfaction out of it, for sure. I
do have a friend who likes watching videos of people
popping sits. Have you seen those those viral ones where
they get like those really deep ones that's gross and
like a mile long.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You would need you would need a crescent wrench to
get the one on the back of Wentz's neck. It
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they are a they're a wrecking ball. And apparently they're
not really worried about every high school reunion across the country.
(23:28):
They're not worried about everybody's you know, trying to get
together and get in town the Wednesday before Thanksgiving to
celebrate the holiday. Because the NFL is now considering playing
a game the night before Thanksgiving now too, all right,
so they've already got the Thanksgiving games, they've already got
Black Friday games. The NFL is now talking about the
(23:49):
Wednesday before Thanksgiving to play.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's a maction, man, that's a mactory. You can't take
over that part of the schedule, come on now.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So it's just like, I mean, look, I love the
end they try to.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Take up this timeslot. I'm boycotting from that just I
don't want to see an NFL game on that particular night.
It's encroaching on the college football schedule. Now, let me
just say this, is it because they feel like there's
a great opportunity there for ratings or is this more
(24:25):
about just trying to make sure the NFL, you know,
showcase itself as the professional league.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Look, I get the Christmas transition to want to put
games on Christmas because they're like, you know what, there's
an opportunity there. There's a lot of people home, a
lot of people that you know, want to watch. We
can we can take over this and dominate that and
NBA screw you. I get all that. Like that totally
makes sense. But it's not as if you're void of
football during the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. Like you got games
(24:57):
on Thursday, you got Black Friday. You've really got a
bookend Thanksgiving now too. And I guess we should have
seen this coming up. I never I never thought that
this would have been the approach. I would have just
assumed that, hey, you know, all you gotta do is
get to Thursday. You're gonna have multiple games, and then
you've got the game following Thanksgiving, and then we've got
the weekend to have a bunch of games. And instead
(25:19):
they're just gonna throw out, all right, well we'll just
take Wednesday too. I mean, basically the way the schedule
would look, and this according to Jonathan Jones of CBS,
the schedule would look like this. On Sunday, November twenty second,
you'd have your regular Sunday slate of games. You'd have
Monday Night football. The next day, they'd give you Tuesday off,
(25:40):
all right, so hey, we're gonna take a break here.
Everybody enjoy Tuesday. And then Wednesday, on Thanksgiving Eve, you'd
have a game. Thanksgiving, you'd have three games. Black Friday
you would have one or two games. No games on
Saturday because that you know, that'll be Michigan, Ohio State.
We know where you'll be. And then Sunday will be
(26:03):
your regular slate of games, and then Monday they'll give
you a game. At that point, why don't you just
take the whole week, Like, why don't you just let's
spread this out, just like put a Tuesday game on,
take one of those three games you got on Thanksgiving
and just put it on Tuesday. If we're going this far,
just do the whole week. Do it as a trial run.
You were talking about this during COVID, once teams started
(26:24):
figuring out people were going to watch on any day
of the week because it's the NFL. Let's just go
all the way with this, because the fact that this
comes out that they're thinking about doing. It just tells
me it's going to happen. And I don't think it
stops here. I think eventually there's going to be a
full blown takeover.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well I don't know about a full blown takeover, but
I do wonder how the partnership with ESPN plays a
role in all of this. You know, ESPN had invested
heavily into two sports up until recently with kind of
this I want to call it merger, but you know,
buying a portion of the NFL media rights. No excuse
(27:03):
me about media companies. It used to be college football
and it was the NBA, like that was the two
sports they invested heavily into. And then now that they've
invested into the NFL, it feels a bit as if
they've they've pivoted some And I wonder at one point
and if there is anyone advocating for college football, which
(27:24):
there's not. There's not one, you know, overseeing body to
all of this, whereas the NFL obviously Roger Cadell speaks
for all thirty two teams. There's no one out there
kind of looking to protect what is the best interest
of college football. And one of the reasons why I
feel like, you know, the NFL game has presented so well,
is you have so many different networks and perspectives that
(27:45):
are presenting that sport to everyone, and they're able to
kind of control it too, because the NFL is so powerful.
But with college football and this whole thing kind of
flying off the rails with no one helping to guide it,
it allows then a network who's got the entire college
(28:05):
football playoff at this point or at least control of it,
to now not put it at the forefront because that's
not their main objective. You know, ESPN's main objective now
is making sure they highlight the NFL, and you know
they're they're walking step in step with what the NFL
wants to do from a scheduling standpoint, not college football.
That's an afterthought. You know, if you had more parties
(28:26):
involved and you might say, well, hey, they're the same
parties that are involved in the NFL too, Well that's fine,
but at least all those different networks that are putting forth,
whether it's college football games at that point in the season,
which mind you, are more important than than the NFL
games at that point. You know, when college football they
play less games, So you can make the case that
every single game is more important than you know any
(28:48):
of the you know, seventeen now eighteen in the future
regular seat and get your regular season games the NFL plays.
But at the end of the season right there, like
you're talking about potential games for teams to play for
a Alford's championship, teams to play into the playoff, all
that's going on at that particular weekend.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The main event that weekend is Michigan Ohio State without
an NFL a college football I don't want to hear
anybody say anything different.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
No, and I think most people would tell you too,
like that's rivalry weekend. That's a weekend where I'll be
quite frank, I don't care what's going on in the NFL.
I don't like, there's not one game that's going to
change the rest of the year for one fan base
versus another, not for bragging rights or anything else. And
there's probably some fans who are purely NFL fans who disagree,
(29:32):
who don't have a college football to tie to. But
that's a huge weekend in the context of every alma
mater for college football. And again my concern is that
ESPN is not going to have college football's best interest
in mind. They're going to bow down to the NFL,
(29:52):
and they're not going to protect the second biggest sport
in this country, which is college football, which is still growing.
And so that's my issue with seeing all of this is,
you know, I feel like the NFL, now with their
partnership with ESPN, is just going to walk all over
the college football schedule and ESPN is going to do
anything about it. You know, at least for college football.
(30:15):
Some of the other networks have tried to protect their
assets and when they are playing those games and when
they're playing their NFL games, you don't see that quite
as much. So that's that's the greater issue here. You know.
We could talk about the NFL is trying to you know,
couple this into their Thanksgiving Day games, which which have
been huge. There's obviously, uh, you know, tremendous viewership for that,
(30:37):
but that's because that's been a day they've owned for
a long time. You know, this to me, it's unnecessary. Like, again,
I keep going back to Mark Cuban's quote, is the
pig getting too fat? And I do think we're getting
to that point with the NFL well, and maybe it's
partly testing it out to see, but I would rather
see them work in different games throughout the course week
(31:01):
during the regular season, but not on holidays, like, not
on this particular week, not around this time, doesn't make
as much sense.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I just like I said, I could understand the Christmas
switch because you hadn't done that before. There was nothing,
you know, really in the vicinity of it. And but
this one, dude, you got enough going on that week.
It's okay to take Tuesday and Wednesday off, Like it's okay,
it's okay, you don't have a game on Tuesday and Wednesday.
You've got three on Thanksgiving. Like I remember what it
(31:28):
used to just be two. Why there would just be
two games and you would have your twelve thirty Eastern kick,
you know, whether it was the Lions or the Cowboys,
and then you'd have that and then you'd have the
evening off. Now they've taken that evening, so now you've
got you know, it's not like these games are going
head to head. They stagger the whole day. So if
it's a three hour football game at minimum, you've got
nine hours of football on Thanksgiving. That should be enough.
(31:52):
Now we gotta have Black Friday. Okay, fine, it's Amazon,
people are shopping. I get all that. I understand the
tie to it, get all that. But then it's like,
now let's just take Wednesday. Okay, So then what are
you gonna take. You're gonna take Sunday off? No, that's
the regular slate of games. Also, we've got It's just
there's a lot, man, and I and I and I
(32:14):
get it. There's gonna be a market for it, and
it'll they'll probably sell to a streaming service. Uh, somebody
will pay an absorbitant amount of money to get that game,
whether it's Peacock or Netflix or somebody like that. And
once the NFL knows they can make money from a
streaming service and have that done, I think this is
just a foregone conclusion. I think it's gonna happen. I'm
not crazy about it, but I think the NFL just
(32:35):
sees this as another opportunity to take over. Like it's
just it's kind of wild. But yeah, there's nothing and
at that at that time of the season, what week
is it in the NFL? But like week eleven, week twelve,
something like that, Like, dude, you got a whole. You
got six more games to go. Nothing that weekend is
(32:55):
going to impact the outcome of the NFL season. Like no,
Like you're like, don't have the point to where teams
are tanking yet for the most part, Like it's so
nothing that's happening that weekend, which is why dude, you've
got every the Iron Bowl is that weekend, You've got
the game, like, you've got all of those major college
football games, and now it's you know, the NFL is
going to try and going to hijack away the Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So I was also thinking for a scheduling standpoint, I mean,
two of those teams they'll I'll be coming off a bye.
I mean, how else you going to fit that in there? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's uh.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I mean you could have made the excuse like if
teams are playing Thursday night games, you know that that
week prior, you know, playing them then on a Wednesday
would be fine, But now you're talking about Tuesday night.
That's not enough rest time. At least I wouldn't I
wouldn't want that. I mean most teams coming off Thursday
night games end up having a buye you know that,
Like they'll play that game and then they kind of
(33:50):
have some rest before then playing a Sunday game the
following week. So from a scheduling standpoint, it makes it
that much more difficult too. But again, the NFL is
going to do what they feel like is in the
best interest of their bottom line. I just don't know
how moving to this time slot helps the bottom line
that much more. And you're talking about one game in
(34:12):
primetime on a Tuesday night before. I mean, I don't know,
it doesn't It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
They're not even doing their traditional Super Bowl Champion opens
up at home on a Thursday night this year because
they've got a game in Australia. I think, so the
season is starting on the Wednesday before the Thursday game.
It does feel like there's a push for them to
take over Wednesdays, like that's what That's what it feels
like to me that they look at it and go, yeah,
Tuesday's cutting it close. But maybe we could squeeze in
(34:39):
some Wednesday games here, because it does feel like that's
that's happening a little more.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
This is where Max needs a stand up yeah and
say get the hell out of here. This is our territory.
But again, that's ESPN. They don't care about college football
as much as they claim to. If they did, they'd care,
they'd care more about maction and the sacred ground that
it holds on their channel for their media right. But also,
but also, I believe those media rights are coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah. I was just gonna say, when when's the MAC
media right deal come to an end? Because maybe, uh,
maybe there's a conversation we had. You could be you
could be the maction guy to try and maybe try.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I believe they are set to expire this year, so
I assume the negotiating window has been open.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
All right, there we go. Yeah, it's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
God, I hope it goes somewhere else. I can't think
someone else takes over maction and they continue to keep
highlighting it early in the week like this.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I can't wait to hear you do the show via
the Lucy app from a Bowling Green game.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
When you're on the call, I'll be up there with
Eddy George. I'll be up there. You want to send
me up there Toledo standing the rockets, I'll be there.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's one of my favorite things to do. Early on
you watch the MAC and it's like, yeah, you know,
the weather is still pretty nice out here, and just
some random, random city and on a weeknight in the
Midwest and it's pouring snow like just you know, in November,
like it's fun. Nor in Illinois. Watch a bunch of
Northern Illinois games, Toledo Bowling, Green Miami of Ohio. That's fun.
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Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (36:47):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming off top
of next hour a little over ten minutes from now,
We're going to catch up with our guy Albert Breer,
all sorts of stuff to discuss, all the drama surrounding
Max Crosby. There's still some free agents available, Kyler Murray
still out there, all the usual NFL drama that's currently
going on. Ab will stop by here a Thursday tradition
(37:10):
on the show, coming up top of next hour a
little over ten minutes from now. But right now, it
is time to hand out an award on this show.
It's time for our Express Pros Pro of the Week
and the Pro the Week goes too. Cooper has It
tries to spin away from Drew, who has it.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
Bam has it, get it up, threw it down with
the right hand hammer to be the finest single game
score in the history of the Miami Heat. He got up,
He threw it down for one of, if not the
most delicious Bam sandwich of his.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Career, and quickly into band. He's got space, head down,
Spins puts it up, and BAM's going to the line again.
Bam on a bio is a complete monster.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
And really get the ball into bashand the right way
only will stable.
Speaker 9 (38:03):
It has more points in an NBA game in association
history than Bamota Bayo, who has eighty two eighty three
for Pamauta Bio thirty six.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Of forty three from the line.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Both records Heat Radio Network on the call. That's right.
Congratulations to bam out of Bio eighty three points and
your Express Pros pro of the week. Don't let employee
turnover slow down business. Express Employment Professionals finds the talent
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(38:45):
to the front office. Express staffs all jobs is at
expresspros dot com today, So congratulations. It's at least we
could do. Because there was a real negative angle taken
by Brady Quinn on the Bamouta bayo accomplishment of scoring
eighty three points, which I thought was disrespectful. The guy
should be celebrated. He only missed seven free throws and
he took forty three.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
So I don't know why you gready. I mean, there
is that part of his game that I do appreciate.
I mean, and I watched a cut up of all
of them. I watched a whole thirty six that he
made go right in the hoop, that kind of time,
one and a half minute compilation on social media, so
I watched all of it, but come on, man, I mean,
(39:27):
it's just.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
It's also the There's been a lot of people that
really were appalled at the criticism that it got, and
to those people, I say, sorry for expecting that things
be on the up and up in an athletic competition.
I'm sorry. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to be
so negative about the charades that were going on to
(39:50):
get a guy a record in which both teams were involved.
I'm sorry. No, just continue on, continue on with the
circus tent. Next up, you know, Esposro will come out
on a unit cycle and juggle bowling pins and everybody
else is gonna that's fine, that that was on us.
We should celebrate him and stop being so negative. My apologize.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
I could care less if someone's upset about us, you know,
saying that it doesn't feel as legitimate as some of
the ones in the past. I'm sorry. Look at the stats,
look at how it happened. You'd be hard pressed to
find anyone with a brain cell that wouldn't come away
thinking that way unless they're just like a blindly NBA
Miami Heat fanboy and that's how they want to handle it.
(40:29):
So that's who you are. That's fine, do you you know,
you could be excited about it. I think it's awesome
for him. He's a great guy. He's a really good player.
But don't act like it stacks up the same as
Kobe's did or Will Chamberlains did.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
By the way, I remember you remember Ricky Davis and
he can play for the Calves back in the day. Yeah,
he played for the Celtics as well too, and he
was a good six man. He was in the league
for a while. Remember, he got criticism because when he
was on the Calves, he intentionally missed a shot so
he could get his own rebound to get a triple double.
And everyone's like, oh my god, how could he do that.
It's like, well, this is kind of the same thing,
(41:03):
Like you're manipulating what's happening in a game so you
can go chase stats and go chase a record. So
for people that you know, are upset with some of
the criticism, we got current NBA players sticking up for him.
I'm sorry, man, People just remember what the league was
back in the day and this didn't look anything like
it is what it is. Don't know what to tell you.
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