March 13, 2026 • 41 mins
In Hour 2 of the show, Jonas Knox & Brady Quinn discuss the Big Ten tampering charges that are going on. Plus, the guys discuss Mike Evans joining the 49ers as the missing piece, unorthodox expensive coffee, and more!!
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I got a new one coming up next week, Jonas.
I want you to know already changing, already, switching it up.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hopefully it's better than this.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
This isn't a bad song. Why do you have to
do this?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's not a bad song, but it's just not morning radio,
morning podcasting song.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Do you feel like your song's morning radio, morning podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
White Zombie Electric Head Part one ooh.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's more of a song.
I just want to hagging my head against the wall.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But it gets you fired up, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You don't have to be like those eye ties doing
shots of espresso in the dugout, just ready to go,
so right now?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, I felt inspired by the Italians? How about them? Though?
It's given the US a hand? How about that?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's great, man, it's great.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
John Paul Morosi coming on later today's show, I'm going
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We got to get him to do at least part
of it in Italian. So I feel like his Italian
brand is really growing.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, So I just took a shot of my sip
of my espresso right there too.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
But I go, I don't know if it's called it's not.
What is it called?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Is it a red eye? Is that where you do
a shot of espresso in coffee?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Red eye?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean the coffee uses a shot of espresso. Really,
it's all one and the same.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, but you know, it's the illusion that gets you through.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But well, you're just trying to be a part of it.
I mean, you're just drinking coffee. That's all you're drinking
right now, drip coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Why you gotta be Why do you got to kill
momentum on this show which is which is clearly surging
right now?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Why do you have to kill.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Killing your momentum? I just want our listeners to know
who you really are.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'd say this facade that you put up, which is
for people to hear sometimes, which.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Is what what am I doing wrong? I'm having coffee.
I don't understand what the problem is.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Just kill a coffee then you don't have to say
you're seving espresso.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
There's a shot in it. There is. And by the way,
I brew my own coffee. I'm not one of these
of you. Yeah, I don't do the cure a grout
or whatever you got going on.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Do you still use those those coffee beans that they'd
sort out from the poop, you know they pull them
out from there?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Is that the ones you still use?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Sorry, what is that a real?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, there's like coffee beans that I think they're like
they passed through like the crap of I don't know
if it's it's gotta be an animal of some sort.
But I'll look this up while you get us into
the show.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
All right, Well, for those of you that are having
a cup of coffee wondering to know whether or not
you're drinking crap, stick around.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
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to our current program, which entails Brady Quinn chat gpting
whether or not people are drinking crap instead of coffee.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, actually this came up really quick. So this is
primarily from Indonesia. The coffee relies on wild civets.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Know what that is.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's a small nocturnal mammal to eat only the ripest cherries.
The digestive enzymes break down proteins, reducing the bitterness. But yes,
kobe luwak or poop coffee. It's one of the world's
most expensive coffees. So it's and it's often made from
coffee cherries eaten and excreted by Asian palm civet.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I mean, you know, by the way, uh.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's incredibly expensive. They it can range from one hundred
dollars to over one thousand dollars per kilogram really for
this poop coffee?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, and it's all because they eat cherries, so I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean the flavor profile, which I'm sure you'll try
at some point, is earthy, musty and smooth. Yeah, but
you know the way, but not necessarily better tasting than
high quality non poop coffee.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I do love my coffee musty.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I was gonna say, yeah, well, that's apparently we've got
to do a show in Indonesia now.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But that's that's the move, they say, bear many.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Maybe we could get crap coffee or poop coffee is
our sponsor?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, was such a hard time figuring that out four years.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
If only Hey maybe gets what buddy, we're desperate.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
We take it, take crap coffee and do reads every
single morning.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
If we can just get someone from sales.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
If only people knew how real that was. But you know, Ef,
that's all right. We'll talk about it again next year
at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It'll be great.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That'd be great, that'll be great, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'll note that down for next year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We are efforting, uh is what we'll what we'll say
when it comes to coffee.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So so there it is. That is your.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Update on on cherry flavored crap coffee, which actually, if
you think about it, does make sense.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
They've always said that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Bear meat tastes sweet because they eat so many blueberries.
I don't know if that's real, never eaten bear meat,
but apparently.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's they Like, who do you even hear six?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They just said that that you don't watch TV.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So like if someone randomly walking up to you going
hey beer, if you if.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You look it up there they say that bear meat
because they eat blueberries, has a sweet taste to it.
So maybe that's similar to the to the each airy
infuse crap coffee in Indonesia, which, by the way, if
you're listening on the iHeartRadio app in Indonesia, we're not
taking a shot at you. You've clearly figured things out.
We as a show have not, which is really the
moral of the story.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, but that's true.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean, I do wonder if they're crab closet smells
like cherries coffee?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, probably, you know, they don't even need, you know,
any fabreeze. It's like, hey, what are you gonna do?
I want to make this place smell better. I'm gonna
go take some kind of gives it a new meeting.
Don't They don't even have doors of the bathroom there? No,
you want that smell, that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, there's somebody, Yankee Candle, who just took a flight
to Indonesia and they're like, Hey, we're just gonna sift
through everybody's crap and just come up with a new scent.
They're getting, not a shot at Yankee Candle. That's our
problem here on the show. All right, So let's grow
up first and foremost, and let's get into a conversation
surrounding the world of college football, because apparently the Big
(06:59):
Ten they'd like everybody just slow down a little bit.
This according to Pete Famil of ESPN that the Big
Ten sent a letter to the NCAA this week asking
the NCAA to put a halt on investigations and infractions
proceedings related to tampering. They're citing pre existing rules that
were already in place before the modern era of paying
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athletes and essentially unlimited transfers.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
These rules were not designed for a world in which
student athletes are compensated market participants, making annual decisions with
significant economic consequences. The letter reads, the collision between the
old rules and new reality is producing outcomes that harm
the population that the rules were designed to protect.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So basically, listen, we.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Know it might have been cheating back then, but can
we just can we at least take the heat off
us a little bit if we want to go around
and start making some decisions behind people's backs and then
not be accused of tampering for it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, tampering and being paying players two different things at
the moment. They know tampering as far as you know,
looking at some of these these players and their commitments.
I mean, take for example, and this actually came up
this offseason with Dablos Sweeney at Clemson. He was frustrated
because Luke Farelli is a linebacker. He transferred to Old
Miss but he was already enrolled at Clemson. And so
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this is where it became more of a talking point
and some of the frustration from some of the coaches.
And I think it's gotten to a point now where
it reminds me of steroids in the baseball era.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I mean, and this was kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
An excuse to use, but look, common sense makes a
lot of sense of it. It's like, if you weren't
taking steroids at that era or during that time, you
were at a disadvantage. And I think that's how a
lot of coaches and programs feel now, as if they're
not tampering, if they're not doing things that bend the
rules or maybe outside of what they believe to be
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outdated rules, then they're probably playing.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
At a disadvantage. So I think there's a.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Number of things that the Big Ten in their letter
to the NCAA asking to put a halt of these
investigations and infractions proceedings.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
The biggest thing that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I took from it was this, there's a sentence that
and this is our reads. If courts can intervene and
NCAA eligibility decisions to provide special treatment to favored athletes,
speaking of guys like Trinidad Chombas, for example, then the
NCAA is ability to ensure a fair athletic competition in
which all participants play by the same rules would depend
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on the whims of trial courts throughout the country. And
that to me is what's at stake is where we're at.
We don't have any overseeing governing body to be able
to make decisions on this in a collective fashion, because
there is no collective barring agreement.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
There is no union, you know, there is no one
overseeing governing body.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
There's the Big Ten, there's the sec that each confidence
is trying to navigate this the best they can, and
the NCAA is trying to act like they're over top
of all of it, but they have no power.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's being like someone else's mom, you don't know, yelling
at you for being in the backyard and being out,
you know, playing too late. You're like, well, what do
I care what she has to say. She's not gonna
she's gonna smag be aground me. So we're having a
lot of things dictated by the court of law, and
one of those things is obviously the eligibility rules and
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and tampering rules. So in this case, a lot of
the rules for tampering are outdated. It probably needs to
be updated. The Big Ten has set a six hundred
and fifty eight page filing yesterday to the NCAA to
see if they can you know, appeal this create better
frameworks around what tampering looks like, what coaches are allowed
to do, and so this is part of that, but
(10:47):
it really does highlight a bigger issue that all of
these things that are being argued with the NCAA, they're
being decided by courts. Like even the Trinidad Chamis switch
it you know, it obviously discusses and talks about his eligibility.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You know, that's being appealed. So as of right now.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It looks like Trinida Cholbmisi be able to play next
year for Old miss there's a chance that that appeal
the NCAA could win and all of a sudden that year.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Is taken away.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And if it happens before the draft, Trinida Chalmas would
be in this year's draft class, I would assume, unless
he's gonna keep fighting it legally, or he would be
if it's after that April date when the draft is,
he might be in the subplemental draft. So there's a
lot of moving parts in all this. But it's a
crazy time in college sports, and unfortunately we're leaving up
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to the courts to make decisions. And in the case
of Trinidad Childless, if everyone watched that he found a
favorable court in Mississippi, all right, well, now we're going
to go to a different court for the appeal, and
we'll see what.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
They roll on this.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
And I think when you try to start stacking all
these up, you say, this is not how we want
to have to deal with with whether or not a
kid's eligible, you know, whether that's how many years there
eligible for or what years counted, what years didn't, whether
a team was tampering or not with a kid, like
all these things should be better to find and it's
unfortunate that we can't seem to get everyone to come
(12:11):
together and figure this out.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Did you see the Trinidad Channliss. They're saying that because
of this eligibility issue that was going on, it cost
him the opportunity to be on the cover of the
video game, which people could look at it and be, oh, what,
you know, he wants to be on EA Sports College
Football twenty seven. That's not the big picture here, No,
I would. I would assume he's probably making a pretty
(12:33):
decent payday off that like that's like, that's that's a
big deal for him.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And it was for sure going to be him. It
wasn't gonna be anyone else.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's so the quote is, and this is from the
filing honor. About March ninth, twenty twenty six, EA Sports
withdrew from negotiation with Trinidad, explaining in a text message
that EA Sports leadership just can't stomach the risk that
Trinidad may be unable to play college football this next season.
The risk, as perceived by EA Sports, arises from NCAA's
(13:01):
bad faith denial of ole Miss's requests for an extension
of eligibility waiver for Trinidad, and from the NCAA's continued
opposition to Trinidad's eligibility, including filing of the NCAA's meritless
and of course that pumps up here.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And meritless and specious petition.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So basically it's they feel like the NCAA doesn't know
whether or not it's confirmed that he's going to play,
so why would they want to put an athlete on
the cover of their game or EA rather, why would
they want to put an athlete on the cover if
they're not even sure he's going to be eligible to
be out there next year.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So I can.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Understand their complaint, like they would like this figured out,
they would, and the fact that it's drug on it's
costing them opportunities elsewhere, and that's part of this now
that there are opportunities to make money elsewhere, which is
why guys are coming back or staying in college football
and trying to get a nineteenth year of eligibility because
that's a way that they could make a living. And
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this is an opportunity form. And this is another aspect
in another tentacle to this whole chaos that's going on.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I do think there's two different discussion points though, you know,
I mean, I think in regards to the eligibility rules,
you know, there needs to be something looked at as
far as like when do we want to start that clock,
And there's been discussions about, you know, having five years
to play five so you do away with the redish
rules so that way you're not trying to make decisions
on whether or not a guy red shirted or for
what reasons he redshirted. Like we talked about Chandler Morris,
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the quarterback at UVA, where really he got kind of
hurt and then he was out and the guy who
came in for him ended up beating him out, and
so then when he played in spot duty. Now they're
calling that mental health and it's like, all right, like
I don't want to get into a debate about what
was mental health purposes, what wasn't four years ago?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, because that's how long ago that happened.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And so now we're bringing it up in retrospect as
a part as instead of trying to fight for those
years in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, you know,
now we're using as an excuse trying to get an
extra year of eligibility, which, WHI feels a little bit flimsy,
But those are the two different discussions. Is at some point,
I think part of the NCAA too, and how they're
talking about protecting their student athletes is there was a
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thought that, like, you didn't want guys who are that
much older playing against eighteen year olds or seventeen year
olds when they get to college, because you were concerned
about the development of those guys physically and the potential
harm or damage you could do. Now we don't even
talk about that, And we've got dudes who are twenty four,
twenty five, twenty six playing football against kids who are eighteen.
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We don't talk about the fact that, like there's a
pretty big difference when you watch the development of an
eighteen year old versus the guys twenty four to twenty
five playing college football, Like that's ridiculous. So there's all
sorts of things that I think are issues that the
NCAA is trying to figure out, like which battles and
fights they want to take on. But also because it's
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all thought in court and they lost nine to oh,
you know for this decision that's really created, you know,
everything towards nil that every time they.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Go back to the courts, they lose. For the most part,
the eligibility.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Ruling rules are probably the only ones that I feel
like they're going to have a shot at being able
to enforce, because, look, the clock has to start and
stop at some point.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
And I understand these young men want to make money.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I get it for the families and all this stuff too,
I understand that, But there's a professional sports league for that.
And until we deem this professional sports, even though it
feels like it is, you know, walks like a duck,
talks like a duck, but we're not willing to call
it that. So until we do, you do have to
have some sort of element of eligibility like goes along
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with this and that should include education. And that's been
If you look at what happened at the College Sports Commission,
like what happened up at Capitol Hill and Nick Saban
and Urban Meyer and all these other past you know,
people who are influential in college football, if you looked
at their statements, no one's saying these kids shouldn't be
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compensated or paid. They're just saying there's an educational component
that it's fallen by the wayside. And if we keep
on this path, we're doing a disservice to all the
young people out there who are trying to go to
school to get an education, to figure out what they
want to do in life after football's done. And look,
maybe there's some people out there who don't value the
(17:16):
college education anymore, and that's that's fair, but that's also
your own perspective. Like I had a great college education.
I learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot
about the things I maybe want to do didn't want
to do while playing football, and you can do both,
and it led me into this career, which I don't
know how the hell I necessarily got here. Yeah, but
there's other things that it's other things that's helped me
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with too along the way, whether it's involved in this
career or things outside of this career that I do
on the side. So I just I feel like there's
an element to the eligibility portion of this that you know,
as far as the big tens angle on this with.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Tampering everything else, that's different to me.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
But they do need to hammer in like defining how
long these kids got to play, where education comes into play,
you know, and how it matters, and not just making it.
You know, Hey, these kids can play as long as
they want for whatever they want as law as they
find an attorney will take it to court like that
to me is not a solution.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
By the way, did you ever think all those years
you were in Mass, like going to Mass, you know,
getting dressed up, praying, kneeling, going, you know, taking communion
like all of that, did you ever think that God
one day would pull you aside and he'd whisper in
your ear, Hey for.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Coming here all these years. I'm going to let you
hang out on the radio with some guy that looks
like Count Shocula. That's going to be your reward for
all these all these years of service to me and
here we are ten years later, ten years later, still
doing it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I know you keep it reminding me, and it's oh god, it's.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
A depressing on the Trinidad Chandless cover of the video game.
Also in the statement, they pointed out that he was
he was one of three in consideration for EA Sports.
If not the favorite, who would you guess would be
the other two? I don't have the answer, but who
would you say with the march March Manning would be
the obvious one, and then who after that? Dante More Well,
(19:11):
let's say Jeremi Smith will be up there, and then
I'd say CJ.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Carr.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Okay, all right, yeah, I mean that works, but unfortunately
that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I did have a this this, I do have a
question for.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You, but I think it like kind of bleeds into
a longer discussion when it comes to all this stuff.
But I want to save it for after the break
because I think that I think this has been the
one thing that has jumped out to me during all
of this chaos with with college football and sort of
what has happened Other than you know, it's it's been fun.
You've seen a lot of great athletes change in places
but there is a bigger question to be asked for
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break about, you know, the Big ten, wanting to sort
(22:16):
of re I guess, revise the tampering and the how the.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
NCAA looks into this stuff because.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
The things have changed, you know, the rules that were
in place before NIL and all this stuff in which
players could make money are different now. And just sort
of all the things and the issues that have popped
up over the past couple of years in college football,
just keeping it to college football specifically based on the
changing landscape Nil, all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And my question when I hear all of these conversations
go on, is.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Why wasn't all of this thought through before we started
making moves here?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Like, and I don't want to put you in a
spot to where you've got to out yourself, but I'll
just so I'll take the heat on this one. I
know that there are times where there's a clear difference
between the way my wife thinks about things and the
way I think about things, to where she'll just start
doing something and for me, I look at it and
(23:18):
go all right, well, before you start doing that, just
consider this might happen. That might happen. There's things going on,
this could be a possibility. Let's line all that up
so then if that approaches and we get to that point,
then we can make adjustments and figure it out. It'll
be a lot easier. She just blows right through the
stopsidn just blows right through it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Could not care less.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've got a plan, and then when things go haywire,
then looks at me for assistance, and I'm thinking to myself,
all of this could have been handled from the get
go and wouldn't have any of those problems. And this
is not a man versus woman thing. I think this
happens in life, and it feels like in college sports
all of these things and issues that have popped up
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could have been discussed or at least had a conversation about.
But it's almost like they wanted to just start paying
guys and then we'll figure out the rest afterwards, and
it's been a mess ever since.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'll begin by saying that there was too many people
who were in positions of power that probably thought things
were not going to change and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Move as fast as they have.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
There are probably too many people who are in positions
of power too, who were either not focused on.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Where things were going, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
And I say that meaning like, you know, university presidents
aren't always as focused on athletics. And this is actually
like a bigger topic discussion that like is a bit
personal too for me, like with where I'm at and
where I grew up, and like my hometown and just
what's happening there with the athletics programs, and this.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Is what's happened in this country.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
There's people in academia who don't understand the relationship between
education and sports and growing up and how those things
actually go hand in hand. Like I'm a big believer that,
you know, you can have high academic institutions. That's that's
what most university presidents care about, right. They want to
bring in the best faculty, the smartest people to be
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the best teachers and lecturers that are in the world,
and professors there are, right, That's going to exist though, right,
and for those schools that are lagging behind, like you
can always improve and you know, build up, you know,
new nice buildings for whether it's a law school or
you know, biology or whatever it is that you want
to improve your physical campus and then improve obviously your faculty.
(25:39):
But you know, high academic institutions are always going to
be there because they're desired. That's their brand, that's their standard,
that's what they've always been. Athletics kind of ebb and
flow and very similar. I guess to you maybe a
higher academic institution that you know is you know, faculty,
it's not quite as good.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
It's like the same, you know, same thing with coaching.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
But but what they tend to whose sight of sometimes
because at least in sports is always.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Kind of winning and losing.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
In academia, it's like rankings, right, like which schools ranked
higher for their business school or their law school or
medical school whatever. My point to all this is there
is the spirit that unites and connects the two, and
a lot of that's brought by sports and the excitement
around sports and the inclusion of the student with the
student athlete at any institution, whether that's a college, at
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high school, you know, junior high, what have you. But
there's a divide and the people who are university presents
oftentimes don't see that. They don't understand the importance of
that of the spirit that comes along with sports, especially
when this time of year, in March madness, when your
team that could be that small team maybe we're talking
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about Minae of Ohio.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You know, all the.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Students there who have watched that program or are going
to school there and they see those basketball players and
that's representation of who they are, the school they go to,
part of their identity, the brand that they're you know, developing.
All those things work hand in hand. And what happened
is I think there were too many people in position
of power. There are university presidents that didn't care enough
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about investing and looking at the state of student athletes
and college athletics that wanted to realize that the facilities
were getting too big, head coaches were being paid too much,
and then eventually it was going to come time to
actually pay these student athletes and compensate them more than
just providing them with unlimited meals or room and board
(27:33):
and tuition like it just it wasn't going to be enough,
and so I think there's an element of lack of oversight.
There's an element of lack of understanding of really how
those two things work together. And also there's some greed.
There's a lot of people who were making money and
they we were able to do so and you know,
drive up revenue and not have to worry about increasing
their expenses and paying for the workforce that is student
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athletes that are bringing in particular in college football and
some men's and women's basketball, and they thought they could
continue to keep getting away with it, and that changed
rather quickly, and so now we find ourselves in this situation.
That's that's the long winded version and the best way
I can describe kind of how we got here.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's because I don't think anybody would dispute that. Yeah,
the athletes deserved compensation. You deserved it back when you
were playing. LeVar deserved it back when he was playing.
I don't think anybody discipls that, and the duation.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
No one did.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But here's the thing is, the student athletes didn't until
at Obannon, until some of these other landmark cases where
there were athletes who took the chance of their name
reputation to try it and to work with someone to
say like this isn't right, this isn't fair, we're being
profited off of and to make that sacrifice.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Like for me when I was young.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Dude, like getting a college degree was meaningful, like that
that did matter, going to Notre Dame and having that
that alumni base, the networking everything else along with it,
and like having room and board. I mean, I remember
my dad, I remember Chopper coming in there and being like,
I mean we had two dining halls on campus and
there's you've never seen a man at seventy eight, at
his age now eat the way he does. I mean,
(29:09):
he eats like a horse, And so think so imagine this,
like imagine you know, twenty some years ago he go
in these dining halls. He thought it was the greatest
thing in the world. He's like, chops, can you believe
you get to all you can eat in this place?
Like he would go get like three trays of food
and just chow down, and like that was all I knew.
Like I didn't, I didn't think about like, oh, getting
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paid off this, I mean, the only person who ever
really and we had a sports psychologist who worked with
our team my senior year, and he was really the
first person to like bring to my attention, and it
just so happened that he had played at SMU during
a time period where things were a little out of hand.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But his general point was like, that will come a reckoning.
They will come a time where you know, people were
gonna want it to get money back, Like all the
people who were wearing your jersey with that number that
weren't wearing it before you got here. He's like, you're
gonna there's gonna be a time for you're to come back.
You're gonna want something back for that. And it really
never hit me, and I really never thought about it
much because I was too focused on everything else. But
(30:10):
you know, looking back on it, yeah, like you could
make that case, but we were ignorant to it, like
we didn't know, and no one really opened it up
until at Obandon started the discussion and then it went from.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
There because I think you're wired, knowing either way that
I know you you're wired kind of like me, it's
not so much about the complaint or the shortcomings, it's
find a solution.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, so we're not getting paid. I'll go work at
the bookstore. I'll go work this, I'll pick up a
side job. Whatever it is, what it is, we'll handle it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And to go one step further, I think it's a
labor of love when you love what you do. And
I'd love playing quarterback. I loved playing football and really
sports in general. You know, if I didn't have a
sport as an avenue to go get my education, I
probably would have served in the military.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But that was that was what I loved.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I love football, baseball, basketball, like to this day, love sports,
which I would have played lacrosse. But that's why I
look at the predicament that some of these kids are in.
Now it's like you know you again, and we go
back to this. There's so many issues with the subject about,
you know, eligibility rules in the NCAA and how it
ties in because what happens is what's happening in one
sport then gets applied to all sports and it becomes
(31:17):
a slippery slope because it's like, well, you don't have
the same issues you have in men's college basketball as
you do in women's to some degree, and even in
college football, or you don't have the same issues that
you have in lacrosse, that you do in men's women's basketball,
And unfortunately, like any decision that's made in one impacts
the other, instead of them being in these separate silos
(31:40):
that are that are kind of governed and overseen by
this governing body that is the NCAA that unfortunately is powerless.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
So that's part of the issue too, is it actually.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Should be more fragmented and divided with the decisions that
we're making for each one of these, but we're not
looking at it that way. So when we have conference realignments,
we have it because call football, which drives everything, has
conference realignments that then drags along these other sports with it.
And it's why I've always said, like everyone who bashes
on Notre Dame as being independent, if all your all
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schools were independent too, guess what you could choose to
join conferences for other sports. That's why Notre Dames in
the ACC for most everything else, they played in the
Big Ten. In hockey you had the football remains independent,
Like you could have kept your football as independent, picked
your schedule and allowed other sports to not be impacted
by this, and we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess.
(32:34):
All you West Coasters in the Pac twelve, you'd still
have a conference, the Conference of Champion, you'd still have that.
So it's funny to me when you hear people who
are like crying and moaning not even means a Jeudian conference. Actually,
that's how we got here. If you don't like how
messed up things are, understand and realize. Had every football
program just got independent, got together, made your own schedule,
(32:55):
made a separate league from that, we could have protected
all these other sports and we wouldn't be in this
mess that we're in right now.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
It would just be specific to football.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
There's there's not a program. If you were to ask
any program in the country outside of Notre Dame and say, hey,
if you if you could choose, would you rather be
independent or part of this conference? Every single one of
them would say I'd rather be independent, every single one,
because you wouldn't need to rely on all the other
teams that you've got to lift up and elevate. You
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could just run and run your own operation. And I've
said this to you before, and I think that's part
of the pushback and part of the reason why noted
Notre Dame gets as much shade as they get is
because they don't need to rely on all these other
things to build a brand. They don't need to rely
on all that stuff. And yeah, they were on NBC
for all those years and they had name value in
(33:44):
all of that, but that's part of this, and so
why would they go join a conference when they don't
need to?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Like it's like, why do I need? Like why would you?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Why would you pay agent fees and go hire an
agent if you didn't need to, if you could just
handle everything on your own, why would you? Why would
we join a conference? Why would we partake in all
the other mess that's going on? And I think a
lot of the shade Notre Dame gets is because there's
a lot of people that are bitter that they couldn't
do it as well too, And I've always felt that way.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's an element of it, But the problem is that
distracts from the actual point. And the point is, again,
we were in this mess because one things or things
that are being applied to college football being applied elsewhere,
and things of men's basketball are being applied then from
basketball to other sports too, and then that's where there
needs to be more dividing lines and had again football
(34:34):
just branched off at every one of these institutions, all
one hundred and thirty whatever we've got. Now, if they
all kind of branched off one in their own independent league, like,
we could have sorted this out. But unfortunately we had
to drag along every their sport, every their student athlete
with us, and it's caused us to be in this
position now where there's some unfortunate breaks for kids who
(34:55):
it shouldn't be the case. And in the case of
just bringing back full circle jubilly rules, where you now
have kids who are playing into six seven years and
it takes away an opportunity to that mom and dad
who are proud of their son that should be going
to get a quarterback scholarship somewhere else, but he's being
blocked out by a kid he wants to come back
for a six or seventh year.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I mean, so how fair is that?
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Speaker 2 (36:04):
We're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Real eye tie on you, all right, So if you
have not had an espresso shot yet today, don't worry.
We've got you covered. That'll be yours coming up here
again top of next hour. By the way, Brady, I
forgot to mention this to you earlier. I forgot to
say this Happy Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I know you're big into that stuff, so I just
wanted to mention that to you here.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
And what do you people still do? They still buy him?
That stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I have no idea, but I know it was Friday
the thirteenth, last.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Month, just last month.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, two times at a roal. How often does that happen?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Not often?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That up. Yeah, but so a happy Friday of the
thirteenthor anybody.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
That believes in that mumbo jumbo and all the other
horoscope stuff that goes along with some of that. But
that being said, the NFL free agency has well, I
mean it's still going on. Guys are getting signed left
and right to one year deals.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Now. It feels like we had the multi year deals.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Going on, and then by each day the years of
the contracts that were announced just started to slow down,
and now we're at the one year.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's not that I think most players understand that there
really is no commitment by a team outside of what's guaranteed,
at least in the NFL, in your contract.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
So if a team offers you a two year deal.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
But they're only willing to guarantee the first year, why
would you sign a two year deal just so you
can say that you sign a contract that's higher in value.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It's just a number on paper.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
The reality is after that first year they can control
what they do with you where they want to trade
you somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
You know, they if they want to release you, like
at least you know on a one year deal.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
If you go and play and you play well, that
team has the chance to sign you to a big deal,
maybe tag you depending on your position and the value
with that, or they let you in the free agency
and someone else is going to sign you for big money.
So like, ultimately, I would say to every single player
out there, don't sign anything longer than a year deal
until you get to the point where you can sign
(38:02):
that big deal. Otherwise it's not really worth it because
they're not having a commitment to you if they're not
willing to commit to you for more than one year
of guarantees or two years of guarantees. Like the NFL,
players should fight more to collectively as a group sign
contracts that are fully guaranteed, and then we wouldn't have
to have these conversations about it. The problem is there's
too many agents that want to look like they're resetting
(38:23):
the market every year with average annual value. That doesn't
mean squat. All that matters is guarantees. That is the
only thing that matters.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Why do you get to take out agents like that,
can't they can't they be celebrated a little bit because
there's always.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Like a handful that are actually like good dudes. The
rest are just kind of sleezy.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So who would be in the sleezy category if you
add to don't like there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
We don't need to get into it, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
So with that being said, Mike Evans is now a
San Francisco forty nine er. I don't think anybody thought
it would actually happen, but he feels like he's the
added ingredient that's gonna get San Franto with the top.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
Always they always compete, even with the injuries. Last year,
I think they went thirteen to four. I mean, I
feel like they were one piece away, and I think
that I'm that piece, and I'll look forward to coming
here and improving that.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I can't imagine that San Francisco has got an easier
path to get to where they want to go than
Tampa Bay does coming out of the NFC South. So
the idea that you know, he's he's the missing piece
for the forty nine ers who appear like they're getting
older and older. I call me skeptical, but I just
(39:37):
don't see it with San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, I just don't. Look.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Every path is different and you're gonna have to go
through Yeah, two of the teams that were in the
NFC Championship again this past year. But that being said,
you know, the NFC South, he was kind of battling around.
So I'm not sure you either path is easy. But
I would say this, he is a missing component. That's
a place where receivers have been able to show out
Kyle Shanahan system. So I like, as far as a
(40:03):
swan song, if it's his last season, last two, I
like where this could go.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Did you think you would go anywhere else other than Tampa.
I would have gotten a deal.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That And but he's there now, and you know, hopefully
he has a great season. He's a good dude, he's
a good player, good guy.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So and he gets to uh to explore that side
of the world, uh and see see what life is
like next to a nuclear reactor culture shock.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah. Yeah, listen, I've not really been to Tampa, then
I know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Of Tampa's awesome. Yeah, but yes, it'll be very different
than what it will experience.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
So when he sees somebody tranked out outside of the
Moscowone Center in San Francisco. You know, he could just
know that. Yeah, this is uh, this is what you got. This,
this is where we're at with things with Mike Evans.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I mean, look, he's not gonna have to dodge any gators,
you know, anythel like that, and he and he burn
Mese pythons and stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
You know, he won't have to deal with that, But.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
He's gonna have to deal with trank and you know
some other stuff that's going on.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, that's that's the wild animal that's out there, is
the homeless guy on uh on trank on crack, which
we didn't know that that was the term until Pete
Prisco from Florida came out to point out to us
that it's called trank. That that is the when they're
frozen in time, like frozen in mid air like that,
it's called tranked out. I had no idea, but Prisco's
(41:23):
full of fun facts and he dropped another one for
us at the Super Bowl in San fran Our three
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I got a new one coming up next week, Jonas.
I want you to know already changing, already, switching it up.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hopefully it's better than this.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
This isn't a bad song. Why do you have to
do this?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's not a bad song, but it's just not morning radio,
morning podcasting song.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Do you feel like your song's morning radio, morning podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
White Zombie Electric Head Part one ooh.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's more of a song.
I just want to hagging my head against the wall.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But it gets you fired up, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You don't have to be like those eye ties doing
shots of espresso in the dugout, just ready to go,
so right now?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, I felt inspired by the Italians? How about them? Though?
It's given the US a hand? How about that?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's great, man, it's great.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
John Paul Morosi coming on later today's show, I'm going
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We got to get him to do at least part
of it in Italian. So I feel like his Italian
brand is really growing.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, So I just took a shot of my sip
of my espresso right there too.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
But I go, I don't know if it's called it's not.
What is it called?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Is it a red eye? Is that where you do
a shot of espresso in coffee?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Red eye?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean the coffee uses a shot of espresso. Really,
it's all one and the same.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, but you know, it's the illusion that gets you through.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But well, you're just trying to be a part of it.
I mean, you're just drinking coffee. That's all you're drinking
right now, drip coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Why you gotta be Why do you got to kill
momentum on this show which is which is clearly surging
right now?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Why do you have to kill.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Killing your momentum? I just want our listeners to know
who you really are.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'd say this facade that you put up, which is
for people to hear sometimes, which.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Is what what am I doing wrong? I'm having coffee.
I don't understand what the problem is.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Just kill a coffee then you don't have to say
you're seving espresso.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
There's a shot in it. There is. And by the way,
I brew my own coffee. I'm not one of these
of you. Yeah, I don't do the cure a grout
or whatever you got going on.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Do you still use those those coffee beans that they'd
sort out from the poop, you know they pull them
out from there?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Is that the ones you still use?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Sorry, what is that a real?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, there's like coffee beans that I think they're like
they passed through like the crap of I don't know
if it's it's gotta be an animal of some sort.
But I'll look this up while you get us into
the show.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
All right, Well, for those of you that are having
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whether or not people are drinking crap instead of coffee.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, actually this came up really quick. So this is
primarily from Indonesia. The coffee relies on wild civets.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Know what that is.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's a small nocturnal mammal to eat only the ripest cherries.
The digestive enzymes break down proteins, reducing the bitterness. But yes,
kobe luwak or poop coffee. It's one of the world's
most expensive coffees. So it's and it's often made from
coffee cherries eaten and excreted by Asian palm civet.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I mean, you know, by the way, uh.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's incredibly expensive. They it can range from one hundred
dollars to over one thousand dollars per kilogram really for
this poop coffee?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, and it's all because they eat cherries, so I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean the flavor profile, which I'm sure you'll try
at some point, is earthy, musty and smooth. Yeah, but
you know the way, but not necessarily better tasting than
high quality non poop coffee.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I do love my coffee musty.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I was gonna say, yeah, well, that's apparently we've got
to do a show in Indonesia now.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But that's that's the move, they say, bear many.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Maybe we could get crap coffee or poop coffee is
our sponsor?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, was such a hard time figuring that out four years.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
If only Hey maybe gets what buddy, we're desperate.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
We take it, take crap coffee and do reads every
single morning.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
If we can just get someone from sales.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
If only people knew how real that was. But you know, Ef,
that's all right. We'll talk about it again next year
at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It'll be great.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That'd be great, that'll be great, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'll note that down for next year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We are efforting, uh is what we'll what we'll say
when it comes to coffee.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So so there it is. That is your.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Update on on cherry flavored crap coffee, which actually, if
you think about it, does make sense.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
They've always said that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Bear meat tastes sweet because they eat so many blueberries.
I don't know if that's real, never eaten bear meat,
but apparently.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's they Like, who do you even hear six?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They just said that that you don't watch TV.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So like if someone randomly walking up to you going
hey beer, if you if.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You look it up there they say that bear meat
because they eat blueberries, has a sweet taste to it.
So maybe that's similar to the to the each airy
infuse crap coffee in Indonesia, which, by the way, if
you're listening on the iHeartRadio app in Indonesia, we're not
taking a shot at you. You've clearly figured things out.
We as a show have not, which is really the
moral of the story.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, but that's true.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean, I do wonder if they're crab closet smells
like cherries coffee?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, probably, you know, they don't even need, you know,
any fabreeze. It's like, hey, what are you gonna do?
I want to make this place smell better. I'm gonna
go take some kind of gives it a new meeting.
Don't They don't even have doors of the bathroom there? No,
you want that smell, that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, there's somebody, Yankee Candle, who just took a flight
to Indonesia and they're like, Hey, we're just gonna sift
through everybody's crap and just come up with a new scent.
They're getting, not a shot at Yankee Candle. That's our
problem here on the show. All right, So let's grow
up first and foremost, and let's get into a conversation
surrounding the world of college football, because apparently the Big
(06:59):
Ten they'd like everybody just slow down a little bit.
This according to Pete Famil of ESPN that the Big
Ten sent a letter to the NCAA this week asking
the NCAA to put a halt on investigations and infractions
proceedings related to tampering. They're citing pre existing rules that
were already in place before the modern era of paying
(07:19):
athletes and essentially unlimited transfers.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
These rules were not designed for a world in which
student athletes are compensated market participants, making annual decisions with
significant economic consequences. The letter reads, the collision between the
old rules and new reality is producing outcomes that harm
the population that the rules were designed to protect.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So basically, listen, we.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Know it might have been cheating back then, but can
we just can we at least take the heat off
us a little bit if we want to go around
and start making some decisions behind people's backs and then
not be accused of tampering for it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, tampering and being paying players two different things at
the moment. They know tampering as far as you know,
looking at some of these these players and their commitments.
I mean, take for example, and this actually came up
this offseason with Dablos Sweeney at Clemson. He was frustrated
because Luke Farelli is a linebacker. He transferred to Old
Miss but he was already enrolled at Clemson. And so
(08:19):
this is where it became more of a talking point
and some of the frustration from some of the coaches.
And I think it's gotten to a point now where
it reminds me of steroids in the baseball era.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I mean, and this was kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
An excuse to use, but look, common sense makes a
lot of sense of it. It's like, if you weren't
taking steroids at that era or during that time, you
were at a disadvantage. And I think that's how a
lot of coaches and programs feel now, as if they're
not tampering, if they're not doing things that bend the
rules or maybe outside of what they believe to be
(08:52):
outdated rules, then they're probably playing.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
At a disadvantage. So I think there's a.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Number of things that the Big Ten in their letter
to the NCAA asking to put a halt of these
investigations and infractions proceedings.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
The biggest thing that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I took from it was this, there's a sentence that
and this is our reads. If courts can intervene and
NCAA eligibility decisions to provide special treatment to favored athletes,
speaking of guys like Trinidad Chombas, for example, then the
NCAA is ability to ensure a fair athletic competition in
which all participants play by the same rules would depend
(09:30):
on the whims of trial courts throughout the country. And
that to me is what's at stake is where we're at.
We don't have any overseeing governing body to be able
to make decisions on this in a collective fashion, because
there is no collective barring agreement.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
There is no union, you know, there is no one
overseeing governing body.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
There's the Big Ten, there's the sec that each confidence
is trying to navigate this the best they can, and
the NCAA is trying to act like they're over top
of all of it, but they have no power.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's being like someone else's mom, you don't know, yelling
at you for being in the backyard and being out,
you know, playing too late. You're like, well, what do
I care what she has to say. She's not gonna
she's gonna smag be aground me. So we're having a
lot of things dictated by the court of law, and
one of those things is obviously the eligibility rules and
(10:25):
and tampering rules. So in this case, a lot of
the rules for tampering are outdated. It probably needs to
be updated. The Big Ten has set a six hundred
and fifty eight page filing yesterday to the NCAA to
see if they can you know, appeal this create better
frameworks around what tampering looks like, what coaches are allowed
to do, and so this is part of that, but
(10:47):
it really does highlight a bigger issue that all of
these things that are being argued with the NCAA, they're
being decided by courts. Like even the Trinidad Chamis switch
it you know, it obviously discusses and talks about his eligibility.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You know, that's being appealed. So as of right now.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It looks like Trinida Cholbmisi be able to play next
year for Old miss there's a chance that that appeal
the NCAA could win and all of a sudden that year.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Is taken away.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And if it happens before the draft, Trinida Chalmas would
be in this year's draft class, I would assume, unless
he's gonna keep fighting it legally, or he would be
if it's after that April date when the draft is,
he might be in the subplemental draft. So there's a
lot of moving parts in all this. But it's a
crazy time in college sports, and unfortunately we're leaving up
(11:38):
to the courts to make decisions. And in the case
of Trinidad Childless, if everyone watched that he found a
favorable court in Mississippi, all right, well, now we're going
to go to a different court for the appeal, and
we'll see what.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
They roll on this.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
And I think when you try to start stacking all
these up, you say, this is not how we want
to have to deal with with whether or not a
kid's eligible, you know, whether that's how many years there
eligible for or what years counted, what years didn't, whether
a team was tampering or not with a kid, like
all these things should be better to find and it's
unfortunate that we can't seem to get everyone to come
(12:11):
together and figure this out.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Did you see the Trinidad Channliss. They're saying that because
of this eligibility issue that was going on, it cost
him the opportunity to be on the cover of the
video game, which people could look at it and be, oh, what,
you know, he wants to be on EA Sports College
Football twenty seven. That's not the big picture here, No,
I would. I would assume he's probably making a pretty
(12:33):
decent payday off that like that's like, that's that's a
big deal for him.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And it was for sure going to be him. It
wasn't gonna be anyone else.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's so the quote is, and this is from the
filing honor. About March ninth, twenty twenty six, EA Sports
withdrew from negotiation with Trinidad, explaining in a text message
that EA Sports leadership just can't stomach the risk that
Trinidad may be unable to play college football this next season.
The risk, as perceived by EA Sports, arises from NCAA's
(13:01):
bad faith denial of ole Miss's requests for an extension
of eligibility waiver for Trinidad, and from the NCAA's continued
opposition to Trinidad's eligibility, including filing of the NCAA's meritless
and of course that pumps up here.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And meritless and specious petition.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So basically it's they feel like the NCAA doesn't know
whether or not it's confirmed that he's going to play,
so why would they want to put an athlete on
the cover of their game or EA rather, why would
they want to put an athlete on the cover if
they're not even sure he's going to be eligible to
be out there next year.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So I can.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Understand their complaint, like they would like this figured out,
they would, and the fact that it's drug on it's
costing them opportunities elsewhere, and that's part of this now
that there are opportunities to make money elsewhere, which is
why guys are coming back or staying in college football
and trying to get a nineteenth year of eligibility because
that's a way that they could make a living. And
(13:56):
this is an opportunity form. And this is another aspect
in another tentacle to this whole chaos that's going on.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I do think there's two different discussion points though, you know,
I mean, I think in regards to the eligibility rules,
you know, there needs to be something looked at as
far as like when do we want to start that clock,
And there's been discussions about, you know, having five years
to play five so you do away with the redish
rules so that way you're not trying to make decisions
on whether or not a guy red shirted or for
what reasons he redshirted. Like we talked about Chandler Morris,
(14:25):
the quarterback at UVA, where really he got kind of
hurt and then he was out and the guy who
came in for him ended up beating him out, and
so then when he played in spot duty. Now they're
calling that mental health and it's like, all right, like
I don't want to get into a debate about what
was mental health purposes, what wasn't four years ago?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, because that's how long ago that happened.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And so now we're bringing it up in retrospect as
a part as instead of trying to fight for those
years in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, you know,
now we're using as an excuse trying to get an
extra year of eligibility, which, WHI feels a little bit flimsy,
But those are the two different discussions. Is at some point,
I think part of the NCAA too, and how they're
talking about protecting their student athletes is there was a
(15:08):
thought that, like, you didn't want guys who are that
much older playing against eighteen year olds or seventeen year
olds when they get to college, because you were concerned
about the development of those guys physically and the potential
harm or damage you could do. Now we don't even
talk about that, And we've got dudes who are twenty four,
twenty five, twenty six playing football against kids who are eighteen.
(15:29):
We don't talk about the fact that, like there's a
pretty big difference when you watch the development of an
eighteen year old versus the guys twenty four to twenty
five playing college football, Like that's ridiculous. So there's all
sorts of things that I think are issues that the
NCAA is trying to figure out, like which battles and
fights they want to take on. But also because it's
(15:50):
all thought in court and they lost nine to oh,
you know for this decision that's really created, you know,
everything towards nil that every time they.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Go back to the courts, they lose. For the most part,
the eligibility.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Ruling rules are probably the only ones that I feel
like they're going to have a shot at being able
to enforce, because, look, the clock has to start and
stop at some point.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
And I understand these young men want to make money.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I get it for the families and all this stuff too,
I understand that, But there's a professional sports league for that.
And until we deem this professional sports, even though it
feels like it is, you know, walks like a duck,
talks like a duck, but we're not willing to call
it that. So until we do, you do have to
have some sort of element of eligibility like goes along
(16:34):
with this and that should include education. And that's been
If you look at what happened at the College Sports Commission,
like what happened up at Capitol Hill and Nick Saban
and Urban Meyer and all these other past you know,
people who are influential in college football, if you looked
at their statements, no one's saying these kids shouldn't be
(16:55):
compensated or paid. They're just saying there's an educational component
that it's fallen by the wayside. And if we keep
on this path, we're doing a disservice to all the
young people out there who are trying to go to
school to get an education, to figure out what they
want to do in life after football's done. And look,
maybe there's some people out there who don't value the
(17:16):
college education anymore, and that's that's fair, but that's also
your own perspective. Like I had a great college education.
I learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot
about the things I maybe want to do didn't want
to do while playing football, and you can do both,
and it led me into this career, which I don't
know how the hell I necessarily got here. Yeah, but
there's other things that it's other things that's helped me
(17:37):
with too along the way, whether it's involved in this
career or things outside of this career that I do
on the side. So I just I feel like there's
an element to the eligibility portion of this that you know,
as far as the big tens angle on this with.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Tampering everything else, that's different to me.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
But they do need to hammer in like defining how
long these kids got to play, where education comes into play,
you know, and how it matters, and not just making it.
You know, Hey, these kids can play as long as
they want for whatever they want as law as they
find an attorney will take it to court like that
to me is not a solution.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
By the way, did you ever think all those years
you were in Mass, like going to Mass, you know,
getting dressed up, praying, kneeling, going, you know, taking communion
like all of that, did you ever think that God
one day would pull you aside and he'd whisper in
your ear, Hey for.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Coming here all these years. I'm going to let you
hang out on the radio with some guy that looks
like Count Shocula. That's going to be your reward for
all these all these years of service to me and
here we are ten years later, ten years later, still
doing it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I know you keep it reminding me, and it's oh god, it's.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
A depressing on the Trinidad Chandless cover of the video game.
Also in the statement, they pointed out that he was
he was one of three in consideration for EA Sports.
If not the favorite, who would you guess would be
the other two? I don't have the answer, but who
would you say with the march March Manning would be
the obvious one, and then who after that? Dante More Well,
(19:11):
let's say Jeremi Smith will be up there, and then
I'd say CJ.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Carr.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Okay, all right, yeah, I mean that works, but unfortunately
that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I did have a this this, I do have a
question for.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You, but I think it like kind of bleeds into
a longer discussion when it comes to all this stuff.
But I want to save it for after the break
because I think that I think this has been the
one thing that has jumped out to me during all
of this chaos with with college football and sort of
what has happened Other than you know, it's it's been fun.
You've seen a lot of great athletes change in places
but there is a bigger question to be asked for
(19:47):
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pros FSR and subscribe. So we were talking before the
break about, you know, the Big ten, wanting to sort
(22:16):
of re I guess, revise the tampering and the how the.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
NCAA looks into this stuff because.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
The things have changed, you know, the rules that were
in place before NIL and all this stuff in which
players could make money are different now. And just sort
of all the things and the issues that have popped
up over the past couple of years in college football,
just keeping it to college football specifically based on the
changing landscape Nil, all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And my question when I hear all of these conversations
go on, is.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Why wasn't all of this thought through before we started
making moves here?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Like, and I don't want to put you in a
spot to where you've got to out yourself, but I'll
just so I'll take the heat on this one. I
know that there are times where there's a clear difference
between the way my wife thinks about things and the
way I think about things, to where she'll just start
doing something and for me, I look at it and
(23:18):
go all right, well, before you start doing that, just
consider this might happen. That might happen. There's things going on,
this could be a possibility. Let's line all that up
so then if that approaches and we get to that point,
then we can make adjustments and figure it out. It'll
be a lot easier. She just blows right through the
stopsidn just blows right through it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Could not care less.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've got a plan, and then when things go haywire,
then looks at me for assistance, and I'm thinking to myself,
all of this could have been handled from the get
go and wouldn't have any of those problems. And this
is not a man versus woman thing. I think this
happens in life, and it feels like in college sports
all of these things and issues that have popped up
(24:00):
could have been discussed or at least had a conversation about.
But it's almost like they wanted to just start paying
guys and then we'll figure out the rest afterwards, and
it's been a mess ever since.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'll begin by saying that there was too many people
who were in positions of power that probably thought things
were not going to change and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Move as fast as they have.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
There are probably too many people who are in positions
of power too, who were either not focused on.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Where things were going, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
And I say that meaning like, you know, university presidents
aren't always as focused on athletics. And this is actually
like a bigger topic discussion that like is a bit
personal too for me, like with where I'm at and
where I grew up, and like my hometown and just
what's happening there with the athletics programs, and this.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Is what's happened in this country.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
There's people in academia who don't understand the relationship between
education and sports and growing up and how those things
actually go hand in hand. Like I'm a big believer that,
you know, you can have high academic institutions. That's that's
what most university presidents care about, right. They want to
bring in the best faculty, the smartest people to be
(25:18):
the best teachers and lecturers that are in the world,
and professors there are, right, That's going to exist though, right,
and for those schools that are lagging behind, like you
can always improve and you know, build up, you know,
new nice buildings for whether it's a law school or
you know, biology or whatever it is that you want
to improve your physical campus and then improve obviously your faculty.
(25:39):
But you know, high academic institutions are always going to
be there because they're desired. That's their brand, that's their standard,
that's what they've always been. Athletics kind of ebb and
flow and very similar. I guess to you maybe a
higher academic institution that you know is you know, faculty,
it's not quite as good.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
It's like the same, you know, same thing with coaching.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
But but what they tend to whose sight of sometimes
because at least in sports is always.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Kind of winning and losing.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
In academia, it's like rankings, right, like which schools ranked
higher for their business school or their law school or
medical school whatever. My point to all this is there
is the spirit that unites and connects the two, and
a lot of that's brought by sports and the excitement
around sports and the inclusion of the student with the
student athlete at any institution, whether that's a college, at
(26:26):
high school, you know, junior high, what have you. But
there's a divide and the people who are university presents
oftentimes don't see that. They don't understand the importance of
that of the spirit that comes along with sports, especially
when this time of year, in March madness, when your
team that could be that small team maybe we're talking
(26:46):
about Minae of Ohio.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You know, all the.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Students there who have watched that program or are going
to school there and they see those basketball players and
that's representation of who they are, the school they go to,
part of their identity, the brand that they're you know, developing.
All those things work hand in hand. And what happened
is I think there were too many people in position
of power. There are university presidents that didn't care enough
(27:10):
about investing and looking at the state of student athletes
and college athletics that wanted to realize that the facilities
were getting too big, head coaches were being paid too much,
and then eventually it was going to come time to
actually pay these student athletes and compensate them more than
just providing them with unlimited meals or room and board
(27:33):
and tuition like it just it wasn't going to be enough,
and so I think there's an element of lack of oversight.
There's an element of lack of understanding of really how
those two things work together. And also there's some greed.
There's a lot of people who were making money and
they we were able to do so and you know,
drive up revenue and not have to worry about increasing
their expenses and paying for the workforce that is student
(27:56):
athletes that are bringing in particular in college football and
some men's and women's basketball, and they thought they could
continue to keep getting away with it, and that changed
rather quickly, and so now we find ourselves in this situation.
That's that's the long winded version and the best way
I can describe kind of how we got here.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's because I don't think anybody would dispute that. Yeah,
the athletes deserved compensation. You deserved it back when you
were playing. LeVar deserved it back when he was playing.
I don't think anybody discipls that, and the duation.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
No one did.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But here's the thing is, the student athletes didn't until
at Obannon, until some of these other landmark cases where
there were athletes who took the chance of their name
reputation to try it and to work with someone to
say like this isn't right, this isn't fair, we're being
profited off of and to make that sacrifice.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Like for me when I was young.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Dude, like getting a college degree was meaningful, like that
that did matter, going to Notre Dame and having that
that alumni base, the networking everything else along with it,
and like having room and board. I mean, I remember
my dad, I remember Chopper coming in there and being like,
I mean we had two dining halls on campus and
there's you've never seen a man at seventy eight, at
his age now eat the way he does. I mean,
(29:09):
he eats like a horse, And so think so imagine this,
like imagine you know, twenty some years ago he go
in these dining halls. He thought it was the greatest
thing in the world. He's like, chops, can you believe
you get to all you can eat in this place?
Like he would go get like three trays of food
and just chow down, and like that was all I knew.
Like I didn't, I didn't think about like, oh, getting
(29:30):
paid off this, I mean, the only person who ever
really and we had a sports psychologist who worked with
our team my senior year, and he was really the
first person to like bring to my attention, and it
just so happened that he had played at SMU during
a time period where things were a little out of hand.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But his general point was like, that will come a reckoning.
They will come a time where you know, people were
gonna want it to get money back, Like all the
people who were wearing your jersey with that number that
weren't wearing it before you got here. He's like, you're
gonna there's gonna be a time for you're to come back.
You're gonna want something back for that. And it really
never hit me, and I really never thought about it
much because I was too focused on everything else. But
(30:10):
you know, looking back on it, yeah, like you could
make that case, but we were ignorant to it, like
we didn't know, and no one really opened it up
until at Obandon started the discussion and then it went from.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
There because I think you're wired, knowing either way that
I know you you're wired kind of like me, it's
not so much about the complaint or the shortcomings, it's
find a solution.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, so we're not getting paid. I'll go work at
the bookstore. I'll go work this, I'll pick up a
side job. Whatever it is, what it is, we'll handle it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And to go one step further, I think it's a
labor of love when you love what you do. And
I'd love playing quarterback. I loved playing football and really
sports in general. You know, if I didn't have a
sport as an avenue to go get my education, I
probably would have served in the military.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But that was that was what I loved.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I love football, baseball, basketball, like to this day, love sports,
which I would have played lacrosse. But that's why I
look at the predicament that some of these kids are in.
Now it's like you know you again, and we go
back to this. There's so many issues with the subject about,
you know, eligibility rules in the NCAA and how it
ties in because what happens is what's happening in one
sport then gets applied to all sports and it becomes
(31:17):
a slippery slope because it's like, well, you don't have
the same issues you have in men's college basketball as
you do in women's to some degree, and even in
college football, or you don't have the same issues that
you have in lacrosse, that you do in men's women's basketball,
And unfortunately, like any decision that's made in one impacts
the other, instead of them being in these separate silos
(31:40):
that are that are kind of governed and overseen by
this governing body that is the NCAA that unfortunately is powerless.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
So that's part of the issue too, is it actually.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Should be more fragmented and divided with the decisions that
we're making for each one of these, but we're not
looking at it that way. So when we have conference realignments,
we have it because call football, which drives everything, has
conference realignments that then drags along these other sports with it.
And it's why I've always said, like everyone who bashes
on Notre Dame as being independent, if all your all
(32:12):
schools were independent too, guess what you could choose to
join conferences for other sports. That's why Notre Dames in
the ACC for most everything else, they played in the
Big Ten. In hockey you had the football remains independent,
Like you could have kept your football as independent, picked
your schedule and allowed other sports to not be impacted
by this, and we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess.
(32:34):
All you West Coasters in the Pac twelve, you'd still
have a conference, the Conference of Champion, you'd still have that.
So it's funny to me when you hear people who
are like crying and moaning not even means a Jeudian conference. Actually,
that's how we got here. If you don't like how
messed up things are, understand and realize. Had every football
program just got independent, got together, made your own schedule,
(32:55):
made a separate league from that, we could have protected
all these other sports and we wouldn't be in this
mess that we're in right now.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
It would just be specific to football.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
There's there's not a program. If you were to ask
any program in the country outside of Notre Dame and say, hey,
if you if you could choose, would you rather be
independent or part of this conference? Every single one of
them would say I'd rather be independent, every single one,
because you wouldn't need to rely on all the other
teams that you've got to lift up and elevate. You
(33:23):
could just run and run your own operation. And I've
said this to you before, and I think that's part
of the pushback and part of the reason why noted
Notre Dame gets as much shade as they get is
because they don't need to rely on all these other
things to build a brand. They don't need to rely
on all that stuff. And yeah, they were on NBC
for all those years and they had name value in
(33:44):
all of that, but that's part of this, and so
why would they go join a conference when they don't
need to?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Like it's like, why do I need? Like why would you?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Why would you pay agent fees and go hire an
agent if you didn't need to, if you could just
handle everything on your own, why would you? Why would
we join a conference? Why would we partake in all
the other mess that's going on? And I think a
lot of the shade Notre Dame gets is because there's
a lot of people that are bitter that they couldn't
do it as well too, And I've always felt that way.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's an element of it, But the problem is that
distracts from the actual point. And the point is, again,
we were in this mess because one things or things
that are being applied to college football being applied elsewhere,
and things of men's basketball are being applied then from
basketball to other sports too, and then that's where there
needs to be more dividing lines and had again football
(34:34):
just branched off at every one of these institutions, all
one hundred and thirty whatever we've got. Now, if they
all kind of branched off one in their own independent league, like,
we could have sorted this out. But unfortunately we had
to drag along every their sport, every their student athlete
with us, and it's caused us to be in this
position now where there's some unfortunate breaks for kids who
(34:55):
it shouldn't be the case. And in the case of
just bringing back full circle jubilly rules, where you now
have kids who are playing into six seven years and
it takes away an opportunity to that mom and dad
who are proud of their son that should be going
to get a quarterback scholarship somewhere else, but he's being
blocked out by a kid he wants to come back
for a six or seventh year.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I mean, so how fair is that?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
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say this Happy Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I know you're big into that stuff, so I just
wanted to mention that to you here.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
And what do you people still do? They still buy him?
That stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I have no idea, but I know it was Friday
the thirteenth, last.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Month, just last month.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, two times at a roal. How often does that happen?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Not often?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That up. Yeah, but so a happy Friday of the
thirteenthor anybody.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
That believes in that mumbo jumbo and all the other
horoscope stuff that goes along with some of that. But
that being said, the NFL free agency has well, I
mean it's still going on. Guys are getting signed left
and right to one year deals.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Now. It feels like we had the multi year deals.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Going on, and then by each day the years of
the contracts that were announced just started to slow down,
and now we're at the one year.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's not that I think most players understand that there
really is no commitment by a team outside of what's guaranteed,
at least in the NFL, in your contract.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
So if a team offers you a two year deal.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
But they're only willing to guarantee the first year, why
would you sign a two year deal just so you
can say that you sign a contract that's higher in value.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It's just a number on paper.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
The reality is after that first year they can control
what they do with you where they want to trade
you somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
You know, they if they want to release you, like
at least you know on a one year deal.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
If you go and play and you play well, that
team has the chance to sign you to a big deal,
maybe tag you depending on your position and the value
with that, or they let you in the free agency
and someone else is going to sign you for big money.
So like, ultimately, I would say to every single player
out there, don't sign anything longer than a year deal
until you get to the point where you can sign
(38:02):
that big deal. Otherwise it's not really worth it because
they're not having a commitment to you if they're not
willing to commit to you for more than one year
of guarantees or two years of guarantees. Like the NFL,
players should fight more to collectively as a group sign
contracts that are fully guaranteed, and then we wouldn't have
to have these conversations about it. The problem is there's
too many agents that want to look like they're resetting
(38:23):
the market every year with average annual value. That doesn't
mean squat. All that matters is guarantees. That is the
only thing that matters.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Why do you get to take out agents like that,
can't they can't they be celebrated a little bit because
there's always.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Like a handful that are actually like good dudes. The
rest are just kind of sleezy.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So who would be in the sleezy category if you
add to don't like there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
We don't need to get into it, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
So with that being said, Mike Evans is now a
San Francisco forty nine er. I don't think anybody thought
it would actually happen, but he feels like he's the
added ingredient that's gonna get San Franto with the top.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
Always they always compete, even with the injuries. Last year,
I think they went thirteen to four. I mean, I
feel like they were one piece away, and I think
that I'm that piece, and I'll look forward to coming
here and improving that.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I can't imagine that San Francisco has got an easier
path to get to where they want to go than
Tampa Bay does coming out of the NFC South. So
the idea that you know, he's he's the missing piece
for the forty nine ers who appear like they're getting
older and older. I call me skeptical, but I just
(39:37):
don't see it with San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, I just don't. Look.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Every path is different and you're gonna have to go
through Yeah, two of the teams that were in the
NFC Championship again this past year. But that being said,
you know, the NFC South, he was kind of battling around.
So I'm not sure you either path is easy. But
I would say this, he is a missing component. That's
a place where receivers have been able to show out
Kyle Shanahan system. So I like, as far as a
(40:03):
swan song, if it's his last season, last two, I
like where this could go.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Did you think you would go anywhere else other than Tampa.
I would have gotten a deal.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That And but he's there now, and you know, hopefully
he has a great season. He's a good dude, he's
a good player, good guy.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So and he gets to uh to explore that side
of the world, uh and see see what life is
like next to a nuclear reactor culture shock.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah. Yeah, listen, I've not really been to Tampa, then
I know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Of Tampa's awesome. Yeah, but yes, it'll be very different
than what it will experience.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
So when he sees somebody tranked out outside of the
Moscowone Center in San Francisco. You know, he could just
know that. Yeah, this is uh, this is what you got. This,
this is where we're at with things with Mike Evans.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I mean, look, he's not gonna have to dodge any gators,
you know, anythel like that, and he and he burn
Mese pythons and stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
You know, he won't have to deal with that, But.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
He's gonna have to deal with trank and you know
some other stuff that's going on.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, that's that's the wild animal that's out there, is
the homeless guy on uh on trank on crack, which
we didn't know that that was the term until Pete
Prisco from Florida came out to point out to us
that it's called trank. That that is the when they're
frozen in time, like frozen in mid air like that,
it's called tranked out. I had no idea, but Prisco's
(41:23):
full of fun facts and he dropped another one for
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