March 10, 2026 • 40 mins
In Hour 2 of the show, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington make note of the Las Vegas Raiders spending big in Free Agency after the first day. Plus, the guys discuss the Chiefs outlook after signing both Kenneth Walker and re-signing Travis Kelce, another edition of FSR IR, and more!!
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we are often running here on this Tuesday morning and
we are talking all about NFL free agency because a
lot of guys got paid, and there was one team
that was really, really active, and it started before the
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weekend with a major trade. The Las Vegas Raiders have
been spending and spending and spending. They've set some records,
most notably Tyler Linderbaum, who reached an agreement with the
Raiders yesterday on a three year, eighty one million dollar
deal and include sixty million dollars guaranteed by far and
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away the biggest contract handed out to a center in
the NFL. Of course, this on the heels of them
trading away Max Crosby to the Baltimore Ravens for a
couple of first round picks, including this year, which is
picked number fourteen. But the Raiders, led by Tyler Lindenbaum
or Tyler Linderbaum, have set the standard of overspending in
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free agency potentially and people maybe looking back in next
offseason and saying, hey, remember when they won the offseason.
It didn't result in many wins, but they do get
the best center in the class, maybe the best player
available in free agency if you listen to Pete Prisco
who talked about it last week. So the Raiders have
improved their roster by spending an s load yesterday at
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the start of free agency.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, I was to say, you go, you know what
this means, guys, absolutely nothing, And that's how we love
the off season. A lot of hype, a lot of signings.
In some cases, yeah, it'll pay off. But the truth
of the matter is this, besides the Linderbaum signing, maybe
you say to Kobe Dean kway Walker to help shure
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up the defense. Most of these deals, they're gonna be
one year deals, maybe two year deals at best, and
a year from now we'll be having a discussion about
the team potentially moving on. And that's how it typically
works in free agency if the player and this is
what's interesting about Linderbaum is he's one of those players
that you would have said, why would any team want
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to let him go? You know, clearly the Ravens, you know,
thought he was replaceable. Otherwise they wouldn't let him get
the free agency in the first place. You know, It's
just one of those tough decisions you have to make,
and they look at the center position, they say, we
want to invest and allocate our capital elsewhere. So it
looks as if the Raiders want to be big spenders.
They want to try to turn things around. They're trying
to shore up their offensive line by bringing in Linderbaum,
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so they give him a record setting deal for centers.
And then you look at what they've done defensively, Ni Kobe, Dean,
quay Walker, Quitty Pay, you know, Malcolm Koontz, who's you know,
they sign him to a one year deal. He's kind
of been an up and cover player in my mind.
Eric Stokes they resigned to a three year, thirty million
dollar deal. So this sort of thing you want to see.
But you know, ultimately, when you trade away Max Crosby
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to the Baltimore Ravens, I just, you know, that's one
of those moves that I understand his frustration with the team.
I understand that, you know, maybe they felt like they
that bridge was burned. There's no way they can go
back to it. But I don't know how this makes
this team any better. And it feels like, you know,
they're gonna take Fernando Mendoza number one overall with this
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draft pick.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I think that this signals that's you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
With the Linderbaum signing, they added in Jalen Naylor as
well to help out at the wide receiver spot, but
the releasing of Geno Smith, everything that kind of coincides
with this. It leads you to think they're going to
take a quarterback with that first overall pick. But what
kind of team is he going to be coming into.
You know, probably still a team that's going to be
one of the worst rosters in the league, and it's
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gonna be uphill battle for him. But yeah, there's they're
spending a ton of money, man, and I'm sure there's
the people in Vegas who'd love.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
To see this. At least the team's try trying to
make this team better.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
They are making a move to try to make the
team better. They also probably did the right thing by,
you know, moving on from Max Crosby. Max gave them
some some really good years and and giving him an
opportunity to go somewhere and maybe see if he can win.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Seems to make a ton of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
The Lindernbaum, I just again, I can't get around thinking
that how how important centers are to your team, for one,
and then the fact that the fact that I just
don't there are a few good Actually it's a good,
good draft with centers and linemen this year. But I
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just don't think. I think the Ravens did not improve
losing what the best, the best center in the league.
I I you know, I don't know what the Ravens
felt about it to not franchise, tag them to not
I mean, they did offer him a nice amount, it
just wasn't high enough.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I just don't know. I don't know if this.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think this takes Baltimore's offensive line a step back,
a major step back, Which what does that mean for
Lamar Jackson and this year if they don't find a
way to plug that gap?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And for the Raiders. I don't know what to think.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Because I don't have high expectation expectations for them to
begin with. So it's very difficult to say that losing
Max Crosby but gaining a center in Linderbaum made this
a better team. I just think it's just a wait
and see approach with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
The story that came out, I think it was Diana
Rossini who had it last week, and she was talking about,
you know, after they released Genos myth that the Raiders
would like to find a veteran quarterback that if they
go the rout of Fernanda Mendoza, they don't want him
to start right away. I don't I don't get it
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if that's if that's the plan, if that's what they're
trying to do, I don't get it. You've got the
number one pick. I would assume you'd rather find out
sooner rather than later. And if you're going to improve
the offensive line by going out and signing the best center,
the best offensive lineman of the free agency class, and
you give them that sort of contract, that seems to
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me like, if Fernanda Mendoz is going to be your
pick at number one, then that would mean that I
would want to start him right away and just go
with that and see what Kobiak can do, and just
go through the growing pains, but at least get an
answer one way or the other whether or not he
really is the quarterback of the future or the franchise quarterback.
And so when I saw the Linderbomb signing, that just
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seemed more and more obvious to me, that this is
the direction they were going. And from the Baltimore standpoint,
the reports are they offered him a twenty million dollar deal,
he passed, They offered him twenty two, he passed. He
got a much bigger deal from the Raiders. But I
guess it was the fact that Baltimore wanted a fourth year,
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and with this deal with the Raiders, it means he
can get to another contract at twenty eight, So I
guess it was I guess the sticking point was the
number of years, but the fact that Baltimore, an organization
that usually makes the right moves from a personnel standpoint,
didn't franchise him and ultimately decided we'll just take our
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chances with him leaving. I just wonder what else, what
else is there? And I don't want to say overrated,
but maybe they didn't see the value that clearly the
Raiders did. I just when an organization like that makes
a decision to not retain a guy like that, when
they usually always retain, you know, their players, whether t
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Hamilton and all these other great players that they've had
over the past few years, it just makes me wonder
what they didn't see in him that the Raiders and
some others.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Did they raise his eyebo us? Right?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I mean, that's that's you know, for a player that ever,
I think everyone looked at and said he's a great player.
It makes a lot of sense and for them not
to be able to work this out somehow, But I
think it comes down to maybe a couple of things.
The first would be we talked about the contract situation,
but you know, also just then allocation of your salary
cap and where you're willing to spend a little bit
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more and where you're probably willing to not. And as
tough as it is to say, you know, tackles in
the offensive line are just valued that much higher, maybe
even more so, you know than even you know, centering
guards and then even guards, maybe even more than the
center sometimes. So if you're looking at from that standpoint,
it could have been a philosophical difference of how they
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want to go about spending some of those the extra
money that when they can. I think the other thing
that you have to look at is Lamar Jack sentence
node spring Chicken.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Meaning he's a veteran this league.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You know, when you look at the move that the
Raiders are making, Quinn Kobiaks bringing a center who's going
to help from dam endos up with a lot of
the calls they're making in the run game, pass protection,
you know, against you know, a lot of the blitz
schemes and things they're going to see. They've got a
veteran guy in there taking it off his plate, allowing
Fernando to get comfortable in there, and that was probably
a huge priority for him.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
To your point, if they are going to.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Draft the number one overall, if they are going to
play him right away, which everything signals they're going to,
this is that sort of move where we want to
make sure that we've got a guy in there who's
communicating clearly to our offensive line what their jobs are
and helping to protect our quarterback so he's not getting
killed out there.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I think that's the other piece of this equation is
Baltimore's not in that position. Lamar can handle all of
that now, he's played for a long time in this league.
For the Raiders, they see greater value in what that
center can bring, especially a veteran center when playing at
such a high level. So, uh, you know, look, there
might be some people who disagree with this, but I'm
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gonna flat out say it. You know, sometimes your weakest
offensive lineman is your center. And the reason why that
is is because he is always getting some sort of
help from either one of the guards or the way
you could scheme things up to help him out. And
that's one of those things where we always talk about
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tackles being on islands. One of the reasons why they're
the most coveting value is because they're on the edge.
There's often times where no matter what, like they're gonna
be one on one and they've got to be able
to go up against some of the most athletic freaks
in the league that you've ever seen. And so you know,
as you as you cut it down, that center, for
the most part, is gonna at least get a hand.
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It's gonna at least get you know, some of the
presence there from one of those guards helping to kind
of protect him. Even in bear fronts, you know, he's
subject to, you know, being bull rushed, but for the
most part, there's different ways of being able to protect
the center from being overmatched. Schematically speaking, you know, there's
ways of helping him out. So that might be another
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thing too, going back to the philosophical discussion of like
who we're gonna pay, how much you're gonna pay him,
you know, oftentimes just saying now I I want to
pay the guys. It's gonna be the blindside from my
quarterback going up against the toughest matchup, you know, maybe
we have on the field and that tackle versus that
edge rusher. So it could probably come down. I think
that those two things, you know, one of them being
just the difference between how where the Raiders are at
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when the Baltimore Ravens are at.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
At the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Again, I think both teams are in what would be
considered to be a difficult position. I really do. I
don't know that they definitively improved on either side. I
think that Max Crosby is that's a that's a critical loss.
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I think Tyler Lindenbaum is a critical loss. And I
don't know how to I really don't know how to
monitor or weigh them. Which one would be the bigger loss?
I'm I'm I just don't.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I'm not. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But I do think that their additions improved each other's teams.
I just don't was the singular piece of adding Max
Crosby the difference for you know, for Baltimore, I would say, no,
they need more. Is losing Tyler Lindenbaum. Is that a
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bigger loss for you know, for for Baltimore, And is
that a bigger gain? It shures up, it shores up
this this this offensive line. It's a pretty decent offensive
line in in Las Vegas. But I again, you're you're
probably going to draft number one overall. I mean, you're
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going to draft uh mendoz over number one overall.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I don't have how expectations for the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I feel as though I feel as though until
we see more see this group that they've put together,
which is an impressive group of free agents that they've
put together, you know, I don't I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
But I think the Ravens, we may see a new Ravens.
I do say that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I will say that I'm I'm feeling as though we're
going to see a different type of Ravens team this year,
and it's not going to be, in my estimation, trending
in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So they were I think it was their lowest sack
total in fifteen years. They couldn't get to the quarterback
last year. And I think of all the edge rushers,
you know, whoever led them had four and a half sacks.
They just they couldn't generate any pressure on the quarterback
last year. And they had all the injuries as well
too on defense, which didn't help. So I look at
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it and I go, you definitely improved that side of
the ball. You've taken a hit by, you know, deciding
to not retain Linderbaum when you could have easily given
him the franchise tagle though the salary cap numbers and
all that that you would want to look at. But
I just to me, if we're gonna decide between who
made the right decision and who didn't hear, the Ravens
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front offices earn the benefit of the doubt. I know
that spy Tech. There's a lot of people that are
really excited about about spy Tech and everything that's going
on there. It's also the same organization that hired Pete
Carroll and traded for Gino Smith. They gave up a
draft capital and I think fifty eight million dollars to
do so, and then he was gone. The Chip Kelly fiasco,
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all the things that we've seen a lot of. That's
on spy Tech as well too. So I look at
it and I go, if Baltimore is willing to part
and add Max Crosby, clearly I'm going to side with
that's the organization that's got the reputation for making good moves,
and it's a remain to be seen with the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
That's the way I on spy Sech or is it
on Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I don't know, That's the thing. I don't know what
what Brady's involvement is there. If you listen to Jeremy Fowler,
you know, Brady just didn't want to trade Max Crosby
to the Patriots because he didn't want to give Rabel
Max Crosby. Like That's so, I don't know how involved
he is with the decision making. I would assume he's
got got a lot of saying it. But Spy Tech's
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the guy who's getting all the credit. You know, based
on yesterday's signings.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
There's a lot of good signings and they and and
it should improve their team, it really should. But this
Ravens right, the way these decisions have gone down with
the Ravens, I'm just very skeptical, skeptical.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Of what where they're where they're at. How do you
fill that void?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And and I'm certain they probably have a plan, and
that's why they approached it the way that they did
instead of just tagging him. But because at the end
of the day, I mean, if they tag him, the
eye idea of the Raiders over spending for him. Do
you guys think that they would have took the tag
off of them? Do you think that they would have
matched the tag?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Well, if it was the exclusive tag that they couldn't
they couldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, So if you put it so, they just did
they not want to pay them? Could they not pay him?
How do you undervalue your center if he's a one
on one center, if your if your offensive line is
now not shored up, but you and for what it's worth.
I mean, Max Crosby is a one of one talent,
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but one pass rusher does not heal an entire It
doesn't cure an entire defense. And a center can be
a definite more of a catalyst. An elite center can
shore up an offensive line more than an edge can
shore up a defensive line. In fact, I wouldn't I
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would say you have to have a tackle on the
defensive side or a nose a zero technique that can
actually give you a point that is more important than
anybody else on that defensive front unless you have a
point guy that can set that point and give the
other guys the opportunity to fit into their gaps. I
don't know how effective an edge is well, So I
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just feel like this.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I would say, schematically, going back to the initial discussion,
I would be the exact opposite for me. You know,
edges will change so much of what you do. The
things you hate, chips, nudges, you know, all those things
are put into the playbook, all those things change them.
The passing concepts you're going to use because you need
to give that tackle help.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
You know how much three step game you're doing? How
are you even marrying up your move?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
The pocket and screens and play action everything else will
be very like, very cognizant of are we faking to
that guy? Are we faking away from it? If we're
faking away from him, the backside of help to give
extra time along developing play. There's just so many things
that schematically change with you know, a very you know,
top level edge rusher, you know again looking back at
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the weakness is of an offensive line. If a team
wants to run a bear front the entire game, okay,
so be it. There's teams who will do that from
time to time. Obviously Buddy Grind the eighty five Bears
and you know everything they used to run.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
But that kind of had it. It's time and its phase.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But that's a way of getting one on one matchups,
you know, that way you can exploit some of those
weaknesses or in particular center. But the reality is that
you know had its time, and now it's not there anymore.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Because everyone's got an answer to it.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You know, usually you're going to try to run some
sort of outside zone play some some teams like running
gap scheme against it that I can kind of gash it.
And then in the passing game, there's only so much
you can do when you're running that sort of front,
so there's only so many coverages you can play in behind.
So I tend to look at the exact opposite way
I was going to ask you about this, like the
Ravens draft at fourteen could how I want to try
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to pronounce his name? Aoni, the interior offensive lineman at
Penn State. Could he play center? Because here's the other
thing is too people tend to think that the centers
always make all the calls. Sometimes it's the guard and
we've seen oftentimes too in silent accounts, who's the guy
actually signaling to snap the football? You know, the center's
going to bob his head on all that, But it's
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actually the guard that triggers it. So if you have
experienced guards around that center, even if it's a young center,
you know he's he's still able to, you know, operate
and do some of the things he does.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
And again we talked about in Baltimore, you've got Lamar.
Lamar is going to make all the calls.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
You know, he's going to walk up the line say
what he's going to say, and everyone's gonna fall suit.
But could that guy play center? You know it was
he good enough? You think interiorly because he's he's if
he's there at fourteen, I know he's one of the
top prospects. You know, could he be a guy that
they take at fourteen? That's kind of that no man's
land of like where you end up taking a guy
you're probably not getting a top edge guy or top.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Cornerback would have you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
So I think the Ravens are thinking with where we're
seeing the draft. Take Max Crosby. He'll make a difference
on the defense. We can go fill in that void
with drafting a great player at Penn State to go
play center.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Vega can play. I don't know if he's a center.
I have no idea, but I still think that you
gotta double. If you can single block of a legit
anchor tackle single block, then your defense is in trouble.
You've always got that guard, always has to be checking
for that that tackle, that one tackle that can anchor it,
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whether they're the strong side or you put them on
the weak side, like like for instance, Chris Jones is
a great example. You're not going if you try to
block on what one guy, he's going to get through
there and he's going to impact your game, whether it's
a run or a pass. You generally have to double.
So when you're talking about getting those one on one
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matchups on the outside, those one on one matchups come
because you have to use two guys to block that
that three technique on the end.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Well, that's not necessarily true.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Like a lot of what teams are doing Now even
they put three to one side and then one all
the way the isolated with the other, that stresses the
protection because it forces that like let's say, for example,
there's one guy of the left fle and then all
three are to the guard and the center guard tackle
on the right side.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
What they end up doing.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Because they're going to a three man game on that side,
they're basically saying to the protection, you've got to pull
that left guard over, like he's got to slide to
the right, and you have to declare it because you
don't want one on ones all on that side. And
so usually typically unless that, you know, unless they're going
to divide the line like that, which obviously leads you
susceptible for any sort of backer. If they're gonna either
blitz or if they're gonna try to you know, key
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off of the back, you're gonna have wide open rushing lanes.
So typically, like that's a way of kind of defining
and dividing the protection up. And that's not even playing
the bear front, you know, that's not even putting five
guys across the line. So again, I think we cant
have philosophical debates about scheme over one. I just look
at and say, it's pretty simple as this. You pay
your edge rushers, you pay your tackles. There's not many
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teams paying centers, and the Raiders decide to do so
and we'll see it works out.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But when you get a good center, you got to
pay that bad booger hull.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Trust I played with Alex Mac.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Alex Mac was finabal, Hank Frayley played a long time.
I'm saying, Joe Thomas though, is f first Foult Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
You know he got the bag.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
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particular on offense, Travis Kelcey, he is back. He's going
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And then it was Kenneth Walker signing a three year
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opportunity and free agency. Seattle decided, a lah, what the
Ravens did with Tyler Linderbaum. We're not going to franchise him.
We're going to let him go test the open market.
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who we were talking about this a little bit yesterday.
It's been a long ass time since they've had a
thousand yard rusher. Twenty seventeen was the last time the
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Chiefs had a thousand yard back in that offense. And
so Patrick Mahomes coming off the injury, gets a little
bit of help in the backfield, and then the return
of Travis Kelsey to that offense.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
I mean, I think the.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
First thing that hits me is I've seen a lot
of mock drafts the drafting of Jeremiah Love. This probably
puts an end to that that speculation or that thought.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
A lot of people were kind of tantalized.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
By the idea of you know, one of those you know,
dynamic rushers that can catch the football out of the backfield,
run the football extremely well, helping out Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Taking some pressure off of him. Well, they do it
a different way.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
They get a guy in Kenneth Walker who's capable of
doing that improven at the NFL level. So probably going
a different direction there though, but it will be fun
to see if you know, the Kansaty Chiefs can can
find more balance in a rushing tech. And it feels
like a lot of news has been coming out of late,
obviously Kelsey coming back for what is to be I
believe what is fourteenth season or fifteen season, whatever it's
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been for him now, and so it feels like they're
trying to make another run at this and maybe doing
so with a little bit a different philosophy. Offensively speaking too,
So I'll be curious to see, you know, how exactly
this changes the offense, what it looks.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Like within this offense. But you know fact, you know,
this is the risk that you take. If you're the
Seattle Seahawks. You know, you win a Super Bowl, everyone
wants to be paid.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
They've got that ring now and they're looking for greenner pastors,
and Kenneth Walker is probably saying to himself like, hey, guys,
I'm joining a coach and a quarterback who I feel
like I have a shot of getting to one.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
So maybe I'll see you again there next year. But
either way, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Got to feel good if you're Kenneth Walker, kind of
getting the deal that you were hoping for after securing
that ring.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
If I'm Kansas City, the only concern I have is
when is Patrick Mahomes going to be healthy enough to play?
And can you make it it? Does he does he
play this season? And when does that happen? And can
we stay competitive long enough to do so? I think
if you had an elite running back, I wouldn't be
afraid to say that Kenneth Walker. I mean, after establishing
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being the MVP of the Super Bowl that he shouldn't
be talked about in elite fashion. I mean, they did
an excellent job him. Uh, and what's the other what's
the other back that got Sharbonne? Now, I think he
did an excellent They did an excellent job and and
so by adding that level of a caliber of a
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running back, maybe maybe it does indicate or signify that
they are going to try to establish.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
A run and and so.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But but make no mistake about it, No, Patrick Mahomes,
I think it's a very difficult proposition in a steadily
improving AFC WES. I don't know what the Raiders are
going to be, like I said, but I do believe
that the Denver Broncos are a quarterback shy of potentially
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going to the Super Bowl. And it's it's it's I
don't want to say a nowur never year for the Chargers,
but you'd have to assume Justin Herbert. We don't talk
a lot about Justin Herbert because we gave all of
the pressure to, you know, to Allen and to Jackson
(29:29):
on on the northern side of things. But shouldn't we
start to have the same type of conversations about Justin
Herbert If he doesn't take a definitive step forward this
season like.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
That, let me research him a little bit. I'll send
you guys over what I got.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I feel like that's on I feel like that is
on the dossier of like, can he finally this is
the year to say Ken Justin Herbert finally truly turned
the corner and lead his team further than what they've
done since he's been there. So I think it's going
to be a difficult It's going to be a difficult
year for Kansas City, and I think it's going to
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be because the Chargers are going to be good in
my estimation, and I think that the Broncos are going
to be good, and the Broncos defense is pretty sick.
I don't know what the Chargers are going to do
with their defense. It's pretty decent, but you know, obviously
they could be better. And they lost a pass rusher
in a da fe Aoway he went to Washington, So
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it'd be interesting to see how they fill the gaps
on their defense side of the ball this offseason.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
I kind of feel like the Broncos are one of
those teams that if you look at their record last
year fourteen and three, you're going, man, they're going to
be a contention thing, really good, and then you go
back and look at how many tight games they won,
how many miraculous games they were able.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
To pull out. It reminds me a little bit of.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
The Minnesota Vikings that year too, where they were thirteen
and four. I believe it was in a similar fashion,
want a lot of one score, tight games down the stretch,
and then reverted back to the me in the following
year where that kind of levels out.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I'm not saying that the Broncos won't be competitive or
in the playoff hunt. I just I feel like it
it could be a different season for them. I'm not
sure they're going to be getting the number one seed
in the AFC next year, but definitely still talented enough
to be in playoff contention. I just I don't know,
those those tight games, those miraculous wins, you kind of
look at it and go, all right, like, how how
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many of those do you actually expect to win?
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Year in year out.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
They're the AFC version of the Bears, basically, Like that's
those two teams.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
This past year they were Yeah this past year.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, the their defense is much better than your Beers defense.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Bro, that is when you say your you're tying to
me or Brady, what do you mean you Bears?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Look?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
I like a lot of the people at the Bears.
Don't get me wrong, Jonas grew up rooting for them.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Man, you know, I've got the ment to the equation
because you wanted to make that comparison. I was a
team that you were.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Needed, like random, you know, Bears topics just to put
on the rundowns we could talk about.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Look, because I've got family from Haim in Indiana, and
that's the hometown of the Bears, and so I just
think that it's important to point that out. Also, I
did do to end up playing in Indiana. Quick update here,
I did do a little bit of research on justin
Herbert's offseason. I just sent it over to you guys.
I'm not sure if you happen to see that, but.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Well that's a dated picture.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Then well if if you didn't drink beer, you should
start no cannons. But yeah, this can't hurt Kansas City.
I mean, if you're if you're Patrick Mahomes and you're
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coming off the surgically repaired knee and you know, doctor
Chows talked about how it's not just a standard ACL tear.
There was another ligament that was damaged and you've got
all that. You got to give him some help in
the backfield, and I just I don't know what they've
really had from a backstandpoint. You know, Kareem Hunt, as
we mentioned, was the last back to have a thousand
(33:06):
yards that was. Tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
When did Patrick Mahomes get hurt.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
He's scheduled to be back week one. He got hurt
in December, but he he's scheduled as now to get
back in for week one.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's crazy? Is that six months? No, that'd be almost
nine Well, yeah, I guess that's enough time. Listen, If
he can get back and he can play, and he
can play at a high level with that confidence that
that's necessary and needed, then you know, you have you
(33:44):
have Kenneth Walker to give him some relief in the
run game.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Who knows, you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Know, but I'm basing it all on on Patrick Mahomes.
If he's healthy enough and and he can get into
the rhythm and get into the groove, and they can
and find a rhythm and find the groove, then they
got a chance obviously because it's Patrick Mahomes, But I
don't I don't trust that this defense is going to
continue to be what it has been in years past.
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I'm gonna have to see it, and I don't have
any real reason to believe other than aging and what
I saw this year where they didn't come through on
some of the games that that they generally may have
come through on other other years past.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Can I give you guys a Knox Lock because Brady
had mentioned Jeremiah Love to Kansas City, you know, and
with a top ten pick, and now that they signed
Kenneth Walker, you know, maybe that's out the window. I
think Jeremiah Love will be gone before they pick Knox Locks.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I think.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Maybe I was gonna say this quickly December fourteenth, when
the injury occurred September ninth.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Is I believe the opening for the twenty twenty sixth seasons?
I right anyway, doing double check that if you want.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I do think not to get off on a quick tangent,
but the Mahomes injury, like could be one of the
better things that has happened to him in this With
this thought, they have asked him to be Superman for
so long, it's now as if, all right, let's get
him some help, Let's build out around himlet's give him
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a running game's let's realize he's not invincible, and so
let's go like build this roster the way other organizations have.
I mean, look at the Rams for example, and what
Matthew Stafford has to throw to. I mean, the Chiefs
should be making more strides to provide Patrick Mahomes that
I don't know that they have.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Maybe this is a wake up.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Call to that organization too, where they can start finally
providing him more help and not having to have Patrick
Mahomes do everything for this team.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
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Speaker 3 (37:10):
Who's got it? Who got it? Long ass break? Who's
got it?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yeah? I don't know. I keep cutting my fingers on stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I have no idea why, but just like randomly throughout
my my I look like I've got one hands.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Edward Sisson's hands.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
With other hands, I'm just got gashes and band aids
all over it. So I'm not sure really, really.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
What's going on with all that paper cuts or just
on no, no.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Like I was disassembling something with a screwdriver and I
slipped and.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
I cut open one of my fingers. Just stupid stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
But I would say, we, my wife and I celebrator
our twelfth anniversary. Yeah, we went to a nice dinner.
It's a Sunday night and they had this dish. I mean,
you guys know how much I love chicken parm so
they had to spin on it though. They used like
vinegar and hot peppers all right, and they kind of like.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Threw a little bit of monsrelling up and not a
ton on like a cutlet.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
It was unbelievable, but like super super super spicy, and
uh it was incredible.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Although I was like racing to get back home by the.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
End of that, mame, it's just what is going on?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I don't know, man, I.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Know I can't eat like the stuff I used to eat,
but you know, it's celebrated your anniversary.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
And she's like, like, why are you driving so fast?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
I was like, I need to get home as soon
as I possibly can.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Well, we're gonna have to stop it something.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, that happened too.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Those peppers will get you. I'll sweating idiot. It's one
of those.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
Yeah, we had the universary see you in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
We had an emergency yesterday, but I made it, so
I guess that's my ir.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
We did it for to her. But what was did
make it it? I had what I said I had.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Forty five was ten minutes away from the house, but
forty five minutes away from the studio and going back
home was not an option if I was going to
make it in on time for the show. So I
had to take the physical challenge forty five minutes of
a whole brouh But.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We made it. We made it, made it from the bottom.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Now we're here, Well, we bat on the same thing
as I was talking about it.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yes, yes, we were, Yes, Yes.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Jonas acts like he doesn't have these issues, even though
you give him a tablespoon.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
All right, If ice cream he's wearing black under whether.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
The ice is yeah, I don't, it's not even so
much the ice cream. If there's something about milk like
ice cream for whatever reason, in milk, even though it's
basically the same thing, I just yeah, milk just doesn't
that's not happening anymore. I learned my lesson last time,
bowl of honey nuts. Hereos gone go just none. It
(40:02):
was usain bold through my ass like just all the
way out and I'm okay, all right. That's so. That's
my lesson, and I don't need I don't need a
second time to know I'm gonna lose that fight. No
rematch needed.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Why the story is unbelievable because of the honeynut cheerios.
I don't know anyone that's had honeynut cheerio and had
a reaction for don't you got to be the only
dude in the history of the world that ate honeynut cheerios.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I used to love honey That cheers unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
I pick a different cereal.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
God, that's the one, and I loved it as a kid.
That was my favorite, one of my favorite cereals as
a kid, and I had it when I got older
and it was like, no, those those days are gone.
I'm telling you, that's a real story. Down two socks
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we are often running here on this Tuesday morning and
we are talking all about NFL free agency because a
lot of guys got paid, and there was one team
that was really, really active, and it started before the
(01:32):
weekend with a major trade. The Las Vegas Raiders have
been spending and spending and spending. They've set some records,
most notably Tyler Linderbaum, who reached an agreement with the
Raiders yesterday on a three year, eighty one million dollar
deal and include sixty million dollars guaranteed by far and
(01:56):
away the biggest contract handed out to a center in
the NFL. Of course, this on the heels of them
trading away Max Crosby to the Baltimore Ravens for a
couple of first round picks, including this year, which is
picked number fourteen. But the Raiders, led by Tyler Lindenbaum
or Tyler Linderbaum, have set the standard of overspending in
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free agency potentially and people maybe looking back in next
offseason and saying, hey, remember when they won the offseason.
It didn't result in many wins, but they do get
the best center in the class, maybe the best player
available in free agency if you listen to Pete Prisco
who talked about it last week. So the Raiders have
improved their roster by spending an s load yesterday at
(02:38):
the start of free agency.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, I was to say, you go, you know what
this means, guys, absolutely nothing, And that's how we love
the off season. A lot of hype, a lot of signings.
In some cases, yeah, it'll pay off. But the truth
of the matter is this, besides the Linderbaum signing, maybe
you say to Kobe Dean kway Walker to help shure
(03:02):
up the defense. Most of these deals, they're gonna be
one year deals, maybe two year deals at best, and
a year from now we'll be having a discussion about
the team potentially moving on. And that's how it typically
works in free agency if the player and this is
what's interesting about Linderbaum is he's one of those players
that you would have said, why would any team want
(03:23):
to let him go? You know, clearly the Ravens, you know,
thought he was replaceable. Otherwise they wouldn't let him get
the free agency in the first place. You know, It's
just one of those tough decisions you have to make,
and they look at the center position, they say, we
want to invest and allocate our capital elsewhere. So it
looks as if the Raiders want to be big spenders.
They want to try to turn things around. They're trying
to shore up their offensive line by bringing in Linderbaum,
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so they give him a record setting deal for centers.
And then you look at what they've done defensively, Ni Kobe, Dean,
quay Walker, Quitty Pay, you know, Malcolm Koontz, who's you know,
they sign him to a one year deal. He's kind
of been an up and cover player in my mind.
Eric Stokes they resigned to a three year, thirty million
dollar deal. So this sort of thing you want to see.
But you know, ultimately, when you trade away Max Crosby
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to the Baltimore Ravens, I just, you know, that's one
of those moves that I understand his frustration with the team.
I understand that, you know, maybe they felt like they
that bridge was burned. There's no way they can go
back to it. But I don't know how this makes
this team any better. And it feels like, you know,
they're gonna take Fernando Mendoza number one overall with this
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draft pick.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I think that this signals that's you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
With the Linderbaum signing, they added in Jalen Naylor as
well to help out at the wide receiver spot, but
the releasing of Geno Smith, everything that kind of coincides
with this. It leads you to think they're going to
take a quarterback with that first overall pick. But what
kind of team is he going to be coming into.
You know, probably still a team that's going to be
one of the worst rosters in the league, and it's
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gonna be uphill battle for him. But yeah, there's they're
spending a ton of money, man, and I'm sure there's
the people in Vegas who'd love.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
To see this. At least the team's try trying to
make this team better.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
They are making a move to try to make the
team better. They also probably did the right thing by,
you know, moving on from Max Crosby. Max gave them
some some really good years and and giving him an
opportunity to go somewhere and maybe see if he can win.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Seems to make a ton of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
The Lindernbaum, I just again, I can't get around thinking
that how how important centers are to your team, for one,
and then the fact that the fact that I just
don't there are a few good Actually it's a good,
good draft with centers and linemen this year. But I
(05:50):
just don't think. I think the Ravens did not improve
losing what the best, the best center in the league.
I I you know, I don't know what the Ravens
felt about it to not franchise, tag them to not
I mean, they did offer him a nice amount, it
just wasn't high enough.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I just don't know. I don't know if this.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think this takes Baltimore's offensive line a step back,
a major step back, Which what does that mean for
Lamar Jackson and this year if they don't find a
way to plug that gap?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And for the Raiders. I don't know what to think.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Because I don't have high expectation expectations for them to
begin with. So it's very difficult to say that losing
Max Crosby but gaining a center in Linderbaum made this
a better team. I just think it's just a wait
and see approach with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
The story that came out, I think it was Diana
Rossini who had it last week, and she was talking about,
you know, after they released Genos myth that the Raiders
would like to find a veteran quarterback that if they
go the rout of Fernanda Mendoza, they don't want him
to start right away. I don't I don't get it
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if that's if that's the plan, if that's what they're
trying to do, I don't get it. You've got the
number one pick. I would assume you'd rather find out
sooner rather than later. And if you're going to improve
the offensive line by going out and signing the best center,
the best offensive lineman of the free agency class, and
you give them that sort of contract, that seems to
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me like, if Fernanda Mendoz is going to be your
pick at number one, then that would mean that I
would want to start him right away and just go
with that and see what Kobiak can do, and just
go through the growing pains, but at least get an
answer one way or the other whether or not he
really is the quarterback of the future or the franchise quarterback.
And so when I saw the Linderbomb signing, that just
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seemed more and more obvious to me, that this is
the direction they were going. And from the Baltimore standpoint,
the reports are they offered him a twenty million dollar deal,
he passed, They offered him twenty two, he passed. He
got a much bigger deal from the Raiders. But I
guess it was the fact that Baltimore wanted a fourth year,
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and with this deal with the Raiders, it means he
can get to another contract at twenty eight, So I
guess it was I guess the sticking point was the
number of years, but the fact that Baltimore, an organization
that usually makes the right moves from a personnel standpoint,
didn't franchise him and ultimately decided we'll just take our
(08:38):
chances with him leaving. I just wonder what else, what
else is there? And I don't want to say overrated,
but maybe they didn't see the value that clearly the
Raiders did. I just when an organization like that makes
a decision to not retain a guy like that, when
they usually always retain, you know, their players, whether t
(09:00):
Hamilton and all these other great players that they've had
over the past few years, it just makes me wonder
what they didn't see in him that the Raiders and
some others.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Did they raise his eyebo us? Right?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I mean, that's that's you know, for a player that ever,
I think everyone looked at and said he's a great player.
It makes a lot of sense and for them not
to be able to work this out somehow, But I
think it comes down to maybe a couple of things.
The first would be we talked about the contract situation,
but you know, also just then allocation of your salary
cap and where you're willing to spend a little bit
(09:32):
more and where you're probably willing to not. And as
tough as it is to say, you know, tackles in
the offensive line are just valued that much higher, maybe
even more so, you know than even you know, centering
guards and then even guards, maybe even more than the
center sometimes. So if you're looking at from that standpoint,
it could have been a philosophical difference of how they
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want to go about spending some of those the extra
money that when they can. I think the other thing
that you have to look at is Lamar Jack sentence
node spring Chicken.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Meaning he's a veteran this league.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You know, when you look at the move that the
Raiders are making, Quinn Kobiaks bringing a center who's going
to help from dam endos up with a lot of
the calls they're making in the run game, pass protection,
you know, against you know, a lot of the blitz
schemes and things they're going to see. They've got a
veteran guy in there taking it off his plate, allowing
Fernando to get comfortable in there, and that was probably
a huge priority for him.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
To your point, if they are going to.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Draft the number one overall, if they are going to
play him right away, which everything signals they're going to,
this is that sort of move where we want to
make sure that we've got a guy in there who's
communicating clearly to our offensive line what their jobs are
and helping to protect our quarterback so he's not getting
killed out there.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I think that's the other piece of this equation is
Baltimore's not in that position. Lamar can handle all of
that now, he's played for a long time in this league.
For the Raiders, they see greater value in what that
center can bring, especially a veteran center when playing at
such a high level. So, uh, you know, look, there
might be some people who disagree with this, but I'm
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gonna flat out say it. You know, sometimes your weakest
offensive lineman is your center. And the reason why that
is is because he is always getting some sort of
help from either one of the guards or the way
you could scheme things up to help him out. And
that's one of those things where we always talk about
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tackles being on islands. One of the reasons why they're
the most coveting value is because they're on the edge.
There's often times where no matter what, like they're gonna
be one on one and they've got to be able
to go up against some of the most athletic freaks
in the league that you've ever seen. And so you know,
as you as you cut it down, that center, for
the most part, is gonna at least get a hand.
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It's gonna at least get you know, some of the
presence there from one of those guards helping to kind
of protect him. Even in bear fronts, you know, he's
subject to, you know, being bull rushed, but for the
most part, there's different ways of being able to protect
the center from being overmatched. Schematically speaking, you know, there's
ways of helping him out. So that might be another
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thing too, going back to the philosophical discussion of like
who we're gonna pay, how much you're gonna pay him,
you know, oftentimes just saying now I I want to
pay the guys. It's gonna be the blindside from my
quarterback going up against the toughest matchup, you know, maybe
we have on the field and that tackle versus that
edge rusher. So it could probably come down. I think
that those two things, you know, one of them being
just the difference between how where the Raiders are at
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when the Baltimore Ravens are at.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
At the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Again, I think both teams are in what would be
considered to be a difficult position. I really do. I
don't know that they definitively improved on either side. I
think that Max Crosby is that's a that's a critical loss.
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I think Tyler Lindenbaum is a critical loss. And I
don't know how to I really don't know how to
monitor or weigh them. Which one would be the bigger loss?
I'm I'm I just don't.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I'm not. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But I do think that their additions improved each other's teams.
I just don't was the singular piece of adding Max
Crosby the difference for you know, for Baltimore, I would say, no,
they need more. Is losing Tyler Lindenbaum. Is that a
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bigger loss for you know, for for Baltimore, And is
that a bigger gain? It shures up, it shores up
this this this offensive line. It's a pretty decent offensive
line in in Las Vegas. But I again, you're you're
probably going to draft number one overall. I mean, you're
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going to draft uh mendoz over number one overall.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I don't have how expectations for the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I feel as though I feel as though until
we see more see this group that they've put together,
which is an impressive group of free agents that they've
put together, you know, I don't I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
But I think the Ravens, we may see a new Ravens.
I do say that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I will say that I'm I'm feeling as though we're
going to see a different type of Ravens team this year,
and it's not going to be, in my estimation, trending
in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So they were I think it was their lowest sack
total in fifteen years. They couldn't get to the quarterback
last year. And I think of all the edge rushers,
you know, whoever led them had four and a half sacks.
They just they couldn't generate any pressure on the quarterback
last year. And they had all the injuries as well
too on defense, which didn't help. So I look at
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it and I go, you definitely improved that side of
the ball. You've taken a hit by, you know, deciding
to not retain Linderbaum when you could have easily given
him the franchise tagle though the salary cap numbers and
all that that you would want to look at. But
I just to me, if we're gonna decide between who
made the right decision and who didn't hear, the Ravens
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front offices earn the benefit of the doubt. I know
that spy Tech. There's a lot of people that are
really excited about about spy Tech and everything that's going
on there. It's also the same organization that hired Pete
Carroll and traded for Gino Smith. They gave up a
draft capital and I think fifty eight million dollars to
do so, and then he was gone. The Chip Kelly fiasco,
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all the things that we've seen a lot of. That's
on spy Tech as well too. So I look at
it and I go, if Baltimore is willing to part
and add Max Crosby, clearly I'm going to side with
that's the organization that's got the reputation for making good moves,
and it's a remain to be seen with the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
That's the way I on spy Sech or is it
on Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I don't know, That's the thing. I don't know what
what Brady's involvement is there. If you listen to Jeremy Fowler,
you know, Brady just didn't want to trade Max Crosby
to the Patriots because he didn't want to give Rabel
Max Crosby. Like That's so, I don't know how involved
he is with the decision making. I would assume he's
got got a lot of saying it. But Spy Tech's
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the guy who's getting all the credit. You know, based
on yesterday's signings.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
There's a lot of good signings and they and and
it should improve their team, it really should. But this
Ravens right, the way these decisions have gone down with
the Ravens, I'm just very skeptical, skeptical.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Of what where they're where they're at. How do you
fill that void?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And and I'm certain they probably have a plan, and
that's why they approached it the way that they did
instead of just tagging him. But because at the end
of the day, I mean, if they tag him, the
eye idea of the Raiders over spending for him. Do
you guys think that they would have took the tag
off of them? Do you think that they would have
matched the tag?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Well, if it was the exclusive tag that they couldn't
they couldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, So if you put it so, they just did
they not want to pay them? Could they not pay him?
How do you undervalue your center if he's a one
on one center, if your if your offensive line is
now not shored up, but you and for what it's worth.
I mean, Max Crosby is a one of one talent,
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but one pass rusher does not heal an entire It
doesn't cure an entire defense. And a center can be
a definite more of a catalyst. An elite center can
shore up an offensive line more than an edge can
shore up a defensive line. In fact, I wouldn't I
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would say you have to have a tackle on the
defensive side or a nose a zero technique that can
actually give you a point that is more important than
anybody else on that defensive front unless you have a
point guy that can set that point and give the
other guys the opportunity to fit into their gaps. I
don't know how effective an edge is well, So I
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just feel like this.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I would say, schematically, going back to the initial discussion,
I would be the exact opposite for me. You know,
edges will change so much of what you do. The
things you hate, chips, nudges, you know, all those things
are put into the playbook, all those things change them.
The passing concepts you're going to use because you need
to give that tackle help.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
You know how much three step game you're doing? How
are you even marrying up your move?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
The pocket and screens and play action everything else will
be very like, very cognizant of are we faking to
that guy? Are we faking away from it? If we're
faking away from him, the backside of help to give
extra time along developing play. There's just so many things
that schematically change with you know, a very you know,
top level edge rusher, you know again looking back at
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the weakness is of an offensive line. If a team
wants to run a bear front the entire game, okay,
so be it. There's teams who will do that from
time to time. Obviously Buddy Grind the eighty five Bears
and you know everything they used to run.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
But that kind of had it. It's time and its phase.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But that's a way of getting one on one matchups,
you know, that way you can exploit some of those
weaknesses or in particular center. But the reality is that
you know had its time, and now it's not there anymore.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Because everyone's got an answer to it.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You know, usually you're going to try to run some
sort of outside zone play some some teams like running
gap scheme against it that I can kind of gash it.
And then in the passing game, there's only so much
you can do when you're running that sort of front,
so there's only so many coverages you can play in behind.
So I tend to look at the exact opposite way
I was going to ask you about this, like the
Ravens draft at fourteen could how I want to try
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to pronounce his name? Aoni, the interior offensive lineman at
Penn State. Could he play center? Because here's the other
thing is too people tend to think that the centers
always make all the calls. Sometimes it's the guard and
we've seen oftentimes too in silent accounts, who's the guy
actually signaling to snap the football? You know, the center's
going to bob his head on all that, But it's
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actually the guard that triggers it. So if you have
experienced guards around that center, even if it's a young center,
you know he's he's still able to, you know, operate
and do some of the things he does.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
And again we talked about in Baltimore, you've got Lamar.
Lamar is going to make all the calls.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
You know, he's going to walk up the line say
what he's going to say, and everyone's gonna fall suit.
But could that guy play center? You know it was
he good enough? You think interiorly because he's he's if
he's there at fourteen, I know he's one of the
top prospects. You know, could he be a guy that
they take at fourteen? That's kind of that no man's
land of like where you end up taking a guy
you're probably not getting a top edge guy or top.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Cornerback would have you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
So I think the Ravens are thinking with where we're
seeing the draft. Take Max Crosby. He'll make a difference
on the defense. We can go fill in that void
with drafting a great player at Penn State to go
play center.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Vega can play. I don't know if he's a center.
I have no idea, but I still think that you
gotta double. If you can single block of a legit
anchor tackle single block, then your defense is in trouble.
You've always got that guard, always has to be checking
for that that tackle, that one tackle that can anchor it,
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whether they're the strong side or you put them on
the weak side, like like for instance, Chris Jones is
a great example. You're not going if you try to
block on what one guy, he's going to get through
there and he's going to impact your game, whether it's
a run or a pass. You generally have to double.
So when you're talking about getting those one on one
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matchups on the outside, those one on one matchups come
because you have to use two guys to block that
that three technique on the end.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Well, that's not necessarily true.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Like a lot of what teams are doing Now even
they put three to one side and then one all
the way the isolated with the other, that stresses the
protection because it forces that like let's say, for example,
there's one guy of the left fle and then all
three are to the guard and the center guard tackle
on the right side.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
What they end up doing.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Because they're going to a three man game on that side,
they're basically saying to the protection, you've got to pull
that left guard over, like he's got to slide to
the right, and you have to declare it because you
don't want one on ones all on that side. And
so usually typically unless that, you know, unless they're going
to divide the line like that, which obviously leads you
susceptible for any sort of backer. If they're gonna either
blitz or if they're gonna try to you know, key
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off of the back, you're gonna have wide open rushing lanes.
So typically, like that's a way of kind of defining
and dividing the protection up. And that's not even playing
the bear front, you know, that's not even putting five
guys across the line. So again, I think we cant
have philosophical debates about scheme over one. I just look
at and say, it's pretty simple as this. You pay
your edge rushers, you pay your tackles. There's not many
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teams paying centers, and the Raiders decide to do so
and we'll see it works out.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But when you get a good center, you got to
pay that bad booger hull.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Trust I played with Alex Mac.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Alex Mac was finabal, Hank Frayley played a long time.
I'm saying, Joe Thomas though, is f first Foult Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
You know he got the bag.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
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City Chiefs couple of editions yesterday for Kansas City, in
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particular on offense, Travis Kelcey, he is back. He's going
to get a one year deal with Kansas City to return,
a deal that could be worth up to fifteen million dollars.
And then it was Kenneth Walker signing a three year
deal last scene, winning MVP of the Super Bowl against
the New England Patriots. But he cashes in with an
(25:50):
opportunity and free agency. Seattle decided, a lah, what the
Ravens did with Tyler Linderbaum. We're not going to franchise him.
We're going to let him go test the open market.
He does, and he gets gobbled up by the Chiefs,
who we were talking about this a little bit yesterday.
It's been a long ass time since they've had a
thousand yard rusher. Twenty seventeen was the last time the
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Chiefs had a thousand yard back in that offense. And
so Patrick Mahomes coming off the injury, gets a little
bit of help in the backfield, and then the return
of Travis Kelsey to that offense.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
I mean, I think the.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
First thing that hits me is I've seen a lot
of mock drafts the drafting of Jeremiah Love. This probably
puts an end to that that speculation or that thought.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
A lot of people were kind of tantalized.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
By the idea of you know, one of those you know,
dynamic rushers that can catch the football out of the backfield,
run the football extremely well, helping out Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Taking some pressure off of him. Well, they do it
a different way.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
They get a guy in Kenneth Walker who's capable of
doing that improven at the NFL level. So probably going
a different direction there though, but it will be fun
to see if you know, the Kansaty Chiefs can can
find more balance in a rushing tech. And it feels
like a lot of news has been coming out of late,
obviously Kelsey coming back for what is to be I
believe what is fourteenth season or fifteen season, whatever it's
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been for him now, and so it feels like they're
trying to make another run at this and maybe doing
so with a little bit a different philosophy. Offensively speaking too,
So I'll be curious to see, you know, how exactly
this changes the offense, what it looks.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Like within this offense. But you know fact, you know,
this is the risk that you take. If you're the
Seattle Seahawks. You know, you win a Super Bowl, everyone
wants to be paid.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
They've got that ring now and they're looking for greenner pastors,
and Kenneth Walker is probably saying to himself like, hey, guys,
I'm joining a coach and a quarterback who I feel
like I have a shot of getting to one.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
So maybe I'll see you again there next year. But
either way, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Got to feel good if you're Kenneth Walker, kind of
getting the deal that you were hoping for after securing
that ring.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
If I'm Kansas City, the only concern I have is
when is Patrick Mahomes going to be healthy enough to play?
And can you make it it? Does he does he
play this season? And when does that happen? And can
we stay competitive long enough to do so? I think
if you had an elite running back, I wouldn't be
afraid to say that Kenneth Walker. I mean, after establishing
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being the MVP of the Super Bowl that he shouldn't
be talked about in elite fashion. I mean, they did
an excellent job him. Uh, and what's the other what's
the other back that got Sharbonne? Now, I think he
did an excellent They did an excellent job and and
so by adding that level of a caliber of a
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running back, maybe maybe it does indicate or signify that
they are going to try to establish.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
A run and and so.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But but make no mistake about it, No, Patrick Mahomes,
I think it's a very difficult proposition in a steadily
improving AFC WES. I don't know what the Raiders are
going to be, like I said, but I do believe
that the Denver Broncos are a quarterback shy of potentially
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going to the Super Bowl. And it's it's it's I
don't want to say a nowur never year for the Chargers,
but you'd have to assume Justin Herbert. We don't talk
a lot about Justin Herbert because we gave all of
the pressure to, you know, to Allen and to Jackson
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on on the northern side of things. But shouldn't we
start to have the same type of conversations about Justin
Herbert If he doesn't take a definitive step forward this
season like.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
That, let me research him a little bit. I'll send
you guys over what I got.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I feel like that's on I feel like that is
on the dossier of like, can he finally this is
the year to say Ken Justin Herbert finally truly turned
the corner and lead his team further than what they've
done since he's been there. So I think it's going
to be a difficult It's going to be a difficult
year for Kansas City, and I think it's going to
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be because the Chargers are going to be good in
my estimation, and I think that the Broncos are going
to be good, and the Broncos defense is pretty sick.
I don't know what the Chargers are going to do
with their defense. It's pretty decent, but you know, obviously
they could be better. And they lost a pass rusher
in a da fe Aoway he went to Washington, So
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it'd be interesting to see how they fill the gaps
on their defense side of the ball this offseason.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
I kind of feel like the Broncos are one of
those teams that if you look at their record last
year fourteen and three, you're going, man, they're going to
be a contention thing, really good, and then you go
back and look at how many tight games they won,
how many miraculous games they were able.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
To pull out. It reminds me a little bit of.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
The Minnesota Vikings that year too, where they were thirteen
and four. I believe it was in a similar fashion,
want a lot of one score, tight games down the stretch,
and then reverted back to the me in the following
year where that kind of levels out.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I'm not saying that the Broncos won't be competitive or
in the playoff hunt. I just I feel like it
it could be a different season for them. I'm not
sure they're going to be getting the number one seed
in the AFC next year, but definitely still talented enough
to be in playoff contention. I just I don't know,
those those tight games, those miraculous wins, you kind of
look at it and go, all right, like, how how
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many of those do you actually expect to win?
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Year in year out.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
They're the AFC version of the Bears, basically, Like that's
those two teams.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
This past year they were Yeah this past year.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, the their defense is much better than your Beers defense.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Bro, that is when you say your you're tying to
me or Brady, what do you mean you Bears?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Look?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
I like a lot of the people at the Bears.
Don't get me wrong, Jonas grew up rooting for them.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Man, you know, I've got the ment to the equation
because you wanted to make that comparison. I was a
team that you were.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Needed, like random, you know, Bears topics just to put
on the rundowns we could talk about.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Look, because I've got family from Haim in Indiana, and
that's the hometown of the Bears, and so I just
think that it's important to point that out. Also, I
did do to end up playing in Indiana. Quick update here,
I did do a little bit of research on justin
Herbert's offseason. I just sent it over to you guys.
I'm not sure if you happen to see that, but.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Well that's a dated picture.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Then well if if you didn't drink beer, you should
start no cannons. But yeah, this can't hurt Kansas City.
I mean, if you're if you're Patrick Mahomes and you're
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coming off the surgically repaired knee and you know, doctor
Chows talked about how it's not just a standard ACL tear.
There was another ligament that was damaged and you've got
all that. You got to give him some help in
the backfield, and I just I don't know what they've
really had from a backstandpoint. You know, Kareem Hunt, as
we mentioned, was the last back to have a thousand
(33:06):
yards that was. Tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
When did Patrick Mahomes get hurt.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
He's scheduled to be back week one. He got hurt
in December, but he he's scheduled as now to get
back in for week one.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's crazy? Is that six months? No, that'd be almost
nine Well, yeah, I guess that's enough time. Listen, If
he can get back and he can play, and he
can play at a high level with that confidence that
that's necessary and needed, then you know, you have you
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have Kenneth Walker to give him some relief in the
run game.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Who knows, you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Know, but I'm basing it all on on Patrick Mahomes.
If he's healthy enough and and he can get into
the rhythm and get into the groove, and they can
and find a rhythm and find the groove, then they
got a chance obviously because it's Patrick Mahomes, But I
don't I don't trust that this defense is going to
continue to be what it has been in years past.
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I'm gonna have to see it, and I don't have
any real reason to believe other than aging and what
I saw this year where they didn't come through on
some of the games that that they generally may have
come through on other other years past.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Can I give you guys a Knox Lock because Brady
had mentioned Jeremiah Love to Kansas City, you know, and
with a top ten pick, and now that they signed
Kenneth Walker, you know, maybe that's out the window. I
think Jeremiah Love will be gone before they pick Knox Locks.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I think.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Maybe I was gonna say this quickly December fourteenth, when
the injury occurred September ninth.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Is I believe the opening for the twenty twenty sixth seasons?
I right anyway, doing double check that if you want.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I do think not to get off on a quick tangent,
but the Mahomes injury, like could be one of the
better things that has happened to him in this With
this thought, they have asked him to be Superman for
so long, it's now as if, all right, let's get
him some help, Let's build out around himlet's give him
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a running game's let's realize he's not invincible, and so
let's go like build this roster the way other organizations have.
I mean, look at the Rams for example, and what
Matthew Stafford has to throw to. I mean, the Chiefs
should be making more strides to provide Patrick Mahomes that
I don't know that they have.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Maybe this is a wake up.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Call to that organization too, where they can start finally
providing him more help and not having to have Patrick
Mahomes do everything for this team.
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Speaker 2 (37:02):
After your sports weekend happened, so it's time to get
the FSR IR report.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Who's got it? Who got it? Long ass break? Who's
got it?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yeah? I don't know. I keep cutting my fingers on stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I have no idea why, but just like randomly throughout
my my I look like I've got one hands.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Edward Sisson's hands.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
With other hands, I'm just got gashes and band aids
all over it. So I'm not sure really, really.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
What's going on with all that paper cuts or just
on no, no.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Like I was disassembling something with a screwdriver and I
slipped and.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
I cut open one of my fingers. Just stupid stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
But I would say, we, my wife and I celebrator
our twelfth anniversary. Yeah, we went to a nice dinner.
It's a Sunday night and they had this dish. I mean,
you guys know how much I love chicken parm so
they had to spin on it though. They used like
vinegar and hot peppers all right, and they kind of like.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Threw a little bit of monsrelling up and not a
ton on like a cutlet.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
It was unbelievable, but like super super super spicy, and
uh it was incredible.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Although I was like racing to get back home by the.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
End of that, mame, it's just what is going on?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I don't know, man, I.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Know I can't eat like the stuff I used to eat,
but you know, it's celebrated your anniversary.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
And she's like, like, why are you driving so fast?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
I was like, I need to get home as soon
as I possibly can.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Well, we're gonna have to stop it something.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, that happened too.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Those peppers will get you. I'll sweating idiot. It's one
of those.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
Yeah, we had the universary see you in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
We had an emergency yesterday, but I made it, so
I guess that's my ir.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
We did it for to her. But what was did
make it it? I had what I said I had.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Forty five was ten minutes away from the house, but
forty five minutes away from the studio and going back
home was not an option if I was going to
make it in on time for the show. So I
had to take the physical challenge forty five minutes of
a whole brouh But.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We made it. We made it, made it from the bottom.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Now we're here, Well, we bat on the same thing
as I was talking about it.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yes, yes, we were, Yes, Yes.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Jonas acts like he doesn't have these issues, even though
you give him a tablespoon.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
All right, If ice cream he's wearing black under whether.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
The ice is yeah, I don't, it's not even so
much the ice cream. If there's something about milk like
ice cream for whatever reason, in milk, even though it's
basically the same thing, I just yeah, milk just doesn't
that's not happening anymore. I learned my lesson last time,
bowl of honey nuts. Hereos gone go just none. It
(40:02):
was usain bold through my ass like just all the
way out and I'm okay, all right. That's so. That's
my lesson, and I don't need I don't need a
second time to know I'm gonna lose that fight. No
rematch needed.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Why the story is unbelievable because of the honeynut cheerios.
I don't know anyone that's had honeynut cheerio and had
a reaction for don't you got to be the only
dude in the history of the world that ate honeynut cheerios.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I used to love honey That cheers unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
I pick a different cereal.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
God, that's the one, and I loved it as a kid.
That was my favorite, one of my favorite cereals as
a kid, and I had it when I got older
and it was like, no, those those days are gone.
I'm telling you, that's a real story. Down two socks
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