May 22, 2025 • 40 mins
More rule change proposals from the Owners Meetings including changes to onside kicks. The big men get love with the new Protector of the Year Award. Plus, SGA gets MVP and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
That should be the official song for the Tush push.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That right there was this the music they were playing
under Jeffrey Lauri's compassion speech.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I don't know about the wet dreams part of it.
I don't think this was Maybe this part of the
song will be the wet dream part of the song.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
All the way, who outed Jeffrey Lourie.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
It's so detailed. The entire report was was Wickersham in
the meeting? Because that sounded like like a court reporter
basically just documenting everything.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
He must be paying off someone who works at the
hotel convention center.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
They're aut or something.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He's got to He's got to have some like solid
sources because that was way too detailed.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I mean, you know, somebody here does know Troy Vincent.
Maybe they could reach out and see, yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's a good point, that's a good cue. I mean
That's the other.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thing is maybe maybe if you cast Jeffrey Lourie is
not very much of a sympathetic sympathetic you know, figure
you can get some people to turn. There's more public
sentiment to get the play out where fans complain.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
There's more of an upward to it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Maybe you convinced two other teams to throw in the
change as well. I mean, if you if you go
back and look to at the ten that voted for it,
we obviously knew Philly was going to. Of the other
nine that voted to keep the play in, I believe
all but two, Aaron Glenn and Mike Vrabel are offensive
minded coaches, which I kind of find interesting. I mean,
(02:10):
I wonder if those coaches, like Liam Cohen, for example,
in Jacksonville. I wonder if he's like, yeah, we're gonna
implement this in a certain way, or we feel like
there's something that we want to implement or take advantage
of that could be close to that player.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Maybe it's something different.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But I do find it interesting that it was only
two defensive minded coaches of the other nine outside of
Philly that decided to say, yeah, I don't have problem
with the play.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I'm happy it's sticking around, just for petty reasons, because
if they're not going to implement the new playoff seating scream,
you don't get this out either.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Sorry, I just don't think that one coaching staff is
as it applies to one play in particular, one play
in particular, you have to have the scenario of that
play and the details of it be so unique to
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you that only you can do it. And maybe that's
because it's Jalen Hurts, you know. Maybe it's because they
maintained a very very strong and dominant offensive front. But
if I'm anybody else around the league, I'm I'm going
to have a touch push package. So whoever represents the
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strength of Jalen Hurts in terms of, you know, getting
the ball, putting your head down, getting behind somebody. Same
with the offensive front. If even if I have to
put in like I remember they used to put in
Warren Sap for Tampa Bay, there would be packages they
put Booger McFarlane and Warren Sap in the game and
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they put them in the backfield. There'd be certain times,
you know, Bill Belichick did it with with Mike Rabel
and guys at times where they would put in certain
players in certain short yardage situations. Figure out how to
do it yourself. If you can't beat them, you join them.
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The NFL has always been a copycat league. Always. It
will never cease to be a copycat league. You see
the pistol come in, everybody starts running pistol. You see
r pos develop and become a thing in the NFL.
Everybody runs our pos. You know it's it's you know,
route progressions. You see it get implemented. It works. Everybody
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starts running that route progression, whatever it is, formationally speaking,
whatever it is. And then from there people start creating
their own wrinkles. If you got a problem with a
play that you feel is an unstoppable play that isn't
a football play, don't don't bitch and moan about the
fact that it didn't get banned. You figure out how
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to run it. Who's the who's the guy that's strong
with carrying the ball on your team? Put a running
back in at at quarterback, they know the play's coming
as soon as he comes in, So what you know
if it's if it's if it's third, fourth and short and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
It isn't that part of the issue, Like, isn't that
part of the issue with the play is if the
defense knows it's coming and they can't stop it, that
there's something either schematically to it, because it's not just
I mean, we've talked about the percentage of success or
the success rate. I mean, for affiliate's over seventy percent,
I think closer seventy five. For most teams it's over seventy. Like,
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isn't there a discussion point to be had if you're
talking about the competition committee, like how competitive of a
play is it? If anyone can run it, have success
with it, and know it's coming and still can't stop it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's I think that would be the point in which,
if it goes in front of the competition committee that
maybe maybe it justly and fairly gets put on the shelf.
Is if everybody does doing it and it does start
to impact the way the game looks, the product of
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the game and the way that it looks like dang,
Like okay, you get to you know, second down and
five and now instead of continuing to have your playbook
open and do things that create oohs and aws for
the viewing audience, you shut down your scheme and go
straight to the touch push for second down, third down,
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and fourth down instead of punting. You know, if everybody
starts doing it and you see this touch push taking
place multiple times upon multiple times from all of the
teams and it's working, I think then it becomes a
real issue. It now becomes an issue, and I would
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need I say, there's the possibility that you will see something,
you know, catastrophic happen during the course of time of
that level of frequency taking place with the play. You know,
if you're not going to ban the play and the
play is truly an unstoppable play, then you figure out
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how to run it on your team too, Because the
bottom line is is if you're not trying to figure
out how to run it, then are you truly trying
to be a team that can win games. You know
a lot of people subscribe to the if you ain't cheating,
you ain't trying, And in this case, it ain't even
cheating because it's been legal to do it. So why
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wouldn't you see more teams do it more consistently. Don't
just look at the Philadelphia Eagles and be like, oh
the Philadelphia Eagles, Like nah, you do it? Then you
got pros just like they do. You got players that
can do the same things that those guys can do.
I don't need a guy to be able to throw
the ball on those type of plays. So I'm gonna
put in a good running back, get the ball, put
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your head down. I'm gonna get some good pushers behind them.
I'm gonna get some good pushers up. Run and we're
going to push. We're going to scrum it out, which
it isn't a true scrum, but in all intentsive purposes,
you are running a scrum like play like run.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It can I can?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I take this conversation a different direction, Jonas, and this
is more your wheelhouse. Okay, has the point industry not
like taken over anything with the touch push? So what
I'm just saying, like, is there not a category or
is there just.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Not anything that's come from that the adult film industry, Yes,
a better way of I mean I'm not I'm not
up to speed on whether or not they've taken Lee
taken some real life situations from the Eagles. Uh would
that be called a GB playbook? Damn?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Lee? Can you can you research this for US League?
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Problem is I got to use a probably got to
find a different computer. I would not want to use
the word.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, that's you have a phone.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Yes, that's what I'm doing, dude. Uh yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Don't act like you don't have stuff in your search history, in.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Your get off the Total Wine app, that couch time.
You know that in the kitchen.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
You're ahead of the game here, Brady, I am not
seeing h I'm not seeing any Eagles jerseys in any
of these thumbnails.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, I'm just I'm saying, like, could there not be
a toush Push one, two, three four. I'm not exactly
sure what exactly that looks like, but I think the
adult film industry has missed out.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
Gosh, I think I found one.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Oh no, it's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Jalen hurts Jersey at all.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
So they re enacted the Toushbush adult film.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I mean I wouldn't. It's not like they have a
whole scrum here. But yeah, there's a I know, but
there's something here.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
But there.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But that's at least the describe what you're seeing here
and use instead of directly describing it.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Act like we're out of zoo and we're all walking
through a zoo together.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Well, we're under a bridge with lots of graffiti, and
there's a Jalen Hurts male figure here with U with
the black jersey alternate. And then we have an old
Philly Green Kelly Green number two, uh, squatted down getting
ready for the hike?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Was that a Darius Slay? I don't know you played center?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh wow?
Speaker 7 (10:16):
Training for the big game?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Send it. I'm so lost right now, and I don't understand.
Like I thought we were on the way to Granny's house.
We go a little rate riding hood. I don't know
what path we're on right now. I don't know when
we hit the exit routes.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Two months ago.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Under the bridge.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
How did you guys locate this piece of information? I'm
just curious, Gesh.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
What the hell am I looking at?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh my god, I'm truly repulsed right now. I feel
like Troy Vincent right now. Yes, and you know what,
but for some strange reason, I really did just hit play.
I just hit skipp now I've I've added it to
it's like, okay, they're running down a trail.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's it's I'm deleting this this group text.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm out running. Who's number two on on Philadelphia?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's okay, So I was going to say David Akers,
but it appears with that more like Darius Slay there.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, because it's the wrong team for a kicker to
be involved with.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's like, that's like a few hours. Uh you know,
up up? What is that north of Philadelphia? Is that north?
Maybe south south of south of Philly?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Fair point? By the way, Uh, speaking of kickers, can
I throw something at you that this is ridiculous that
the NFL did and it came out it didn't get
all the covers of the tush push and the playoff
seating being tabled and them taking it off the docket.
But I just don't understand this one. So the NFL,
(12:09):
we talked about, hey, listen, you know the on side
kick only being in the fourth quarter, et cetera, et cetera.
So the NFL, the NFL.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh my gosh, okay.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
The NFL. So the NFL apparently approved onside kicks in
any quarter but the teams still have to declare that
there's an on side kick coming. So you're allowing teams
to now do the on side every quarter, but you
still can't surprise anybody with the onside kick. Doesn't that
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kind of take away all of the entertainment value with
it when all of a sudden, hey, look, you know
somebody does a surprise onside Who cares if you can
do it in every single quarter if you're trailing in
a game, when most teams are just going to do
it in the fourth quarter. The only time you probably
would do it earlier in the game would be if
there was a surprise element added to it. And if
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they're not going to do that, what's the point?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know what? This sounds like.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
This sounds like the type of rule that would be
at the beginning of the invention of football, Like, ah,
we're gonna have very onside kick here. We gotta make
sure they know the other term has a chance to
recover the outside kick here already say they're old curly,
let's go ahead and they'll have a little onside kick
and we'll make sure everyone's lined up appropriately.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, four quarters here, I already say to that curly.
I mean it's it goes.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Against all common sense to your point, and it feels
like like we've we've had an onside kick. If your
problem with the onside kick is twofold a player safety issue,
because again I've I've seen guys who just have demolished
human beings ten yards apart, I mean, just running through
them like a mac truck. And I know there was
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a concern for that. All right, so we've addressed that
to a degree. You can't overload sides, et cetera. Now
we've gotten to the point where we're saying, all right,
it's not a successful play. Well, of course, it's not
like the onside kick in essence shouldn't be a highly
successful play because the team that's down should just be
able to get the ball back to come back and
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make it easy on them, Like, how's that fair to
the other team who's been able to build up a
lead for the past three three and a half in
almost all four quarters. I mean, so inherently, like you're
looking at saying, like, why do we need to make
this easier for a team to come back? Just because
so it's more compelling for the viewer When that's always
been how the rule was. That's been that way for
a while for a reason. It just everything feels so
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gimmicky nowadays, because it's like we're trying to milk every
ounce out of every second on every single game sold.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Curently over there, he's going to kick the ball down
the field.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
But the defense looks ready for it, as they've got
to declare that they're going to be doing an outside
kick here the first out.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Of the game.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
It's an odd shaped ball for an odd shaped spot
and an odd shape play. Hah.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'll gladly pay you for this burger that you get
me today tomorrow. Thank you, my fine gentlemen. This is
a fine burger that you've given me.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Are we turning back? Turning back time? The rules of
the NFL stupid.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Stuff old time football?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Huh me, think about it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
We're talking about the tush push that looks like old
school scrums back and then they when football first started
before the forward pass. And now we've got to declare
when we want to kick it outside kick through at
four quarters.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I used to run on side kicks almost every other
every other kickoff.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Oh do tell all.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, I had like twenty one players small Christian Private School.
So in trying to preserve some of my better players
out of the twenty one because literally, uh eleven of
them had to play the entire game, and literally six
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of them were football players out of the nine. So
obviously that left me twelve non football playing players that
were on my team. One, by the way, was a
young lady, and I had to figure out ways to
kind of minimize how teams could score on us. So
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kicking the ball off and kicking it to a returner
was a dangerous thing for us because if I put
my I like this, I like this by life. If
I put my my nine in there, that are really
really players that I need for the four quarters to
go both ways on offense and defense and they're running
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down the field, that's an unnecessary rep for them. And
Achille Smith was my offensive coordinator that year, and he
used to get p owed with me in the worst way.
What are you doing? Why are you doing it? I'm like, dude,
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do you want your running back to be able to run?
Do you want your receiver to be able to get open? Like?
Because I need them on defense too. I need to
play man coverage and I need to be able to tackle,
so we would kick on sides, and my thought process
was either we're going to recover it at which a
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lot of times we did because we got good at
it because we did it so much, or they were
going to catch it and we'd be right there to
tackle them without out running too far, or go out
of bounce and I'll take the penalty. But anyways, you
don't have that problem at college or or pro. So
at the pro level, there's no reason for that to
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be the reason. But I did run on sites and
it was not a surprise. I tend to think that
the on site secret sauce is obviously the kicker's ability
to be able to get it to bounce up high
enough where that first wave. As Q mentioned that first wave,
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that first guy down, he has to hit the point
man and obliterate him. If he could take that first
point man out, then it's a jump ball, which interestingly enough,
it almost becomes like a rugby style play. Who's going
to go up top and who's going to get a
hold of it while it's in the air.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Coach Arrington, he's the bee's knees. By the way I
looked up nineteen twenty nineteen twenty slang terms. You guys
ready for this?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
The cat's pajamas and the bee's knees for excellent or
cool things.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Giggle water, cat's pajamas.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It just means like excellent and cool thing? Is that
over there's the cat's pajamas.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Do you put the cat in the pajamas? Is it just?
I don't know what kind of cat we talking about.
I don't know. Is it a n Aali cat? Cat? Cat?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Isn't under the bridge cat?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Is it a lee cat?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
So there's also Yeah, the term for alcohol in the
nineteen twenties was giggle water. That was a term for alcohol.
Other terms included flapper flapper for a trendy young woman,
glad rags for fancy clothes, and speak easy for legal
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bars during prohibition. You're like one hundred years late. You
were meant for the nineteen Well, so.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
That's apple sauce nonsense or something unbelievable?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
What?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
What? No?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Your onions be well informed?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Are these nineteen twenty terms?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Apparently?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Is that you're looking up as well?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Yeah, some giggle water, the juice joint.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I'm on a too, Yep, I'm on a too with
some Yeah, still got it, still flowing.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, still got it? Oh my god? Still good. Good
for you, Lee?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I do I do like a good gimblet was very
popular in the.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Nineteen twenties, Lee, What alcohol do you not like?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I feel like that's a much shorter route to figure
things out than what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Like.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm uh.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
I used to not like rum.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
You know, everyone's got that one alcohol that you couldn't
drink for a long time, or the first alcohol you
get sick on. It was rum for me for a while,
couldn't even do rum cake. But now I like a
good my type.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
But I've gotten past that persevere Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
So so what was your kryptonite? Now that's back in
the game.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Uh, well, you know, I've never tried the malort.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I don't even know where to try it, but you know,
that's famously the one that people gag on. You know,
I like every you know, I I accept everything. So
Jaeger Yeager's good. I like a good Yeager bomb.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh, I'm trying to think that's ridiculous, man.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean, when's the last time you did a Yeager bomb?
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Mm, it's got to be within the year.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
What's the one that I can't hand that that just
really was really bad for me? Jonas. What is it
called again? Something? I had it out of speak easy,
which is funny because I'm hitting to that same hotel.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Was it a uh oh god? It was like an
energy drink, and.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's the one they put over to the sugar Oh absente,
there you go. Yeah, that's from the prohibition, isn't it. Yeah,
that's another level.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Oh yeah, that'll get you jacked up.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I don't know where that's in. Uh where does that
compare to Moonshinely?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
The proof is high rightly, it's just more it's just
there's like a hallucinogenic stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
From it or something.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Yeah, and that's that's played up quite a bit.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
I mean, yeah, some people say that they kind of
hallucinate off of absinthe.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
But that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I have never hallucinated, but I sure as heck has
blocked out from a little bit of that too much.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I vomited at least ten minutes. Twenty minutes later after
drinking one drink of it. I was walking down the
hallway stumbling, and I and there were two trash cans
and both trash cans got a load of me.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
That's how that was.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
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Speaker 5 (23:15):
That's brutal, can you image?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
As long as that mattress can keep the room from
moving and spinning, that be the mattress that I will
want at that Well.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Jonas has a fix for that. By the way, you
know this, have you ever heard this before? Jonas?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Go ahead, Oh yeah, just cover one eye. Yeah, Like
there's like, you don't ever want to be a cyclops,
but in those moments you got to be. It's the
only way you can focus on the TV, the only
way you can focus uh hopefully not on the road,
but you know, duty calls and yeah, you just got
to close one eye or cover it.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Up, and you gotta have a foot on the ground.
Can't be laying down right, or you gonna have a
foot on the ground.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I would assume you'd probably want one there anyways, But
I can't. I can't imagine bealer are levitating. But I
didn't know that that was.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, if you're just if you're like laid down on
a mattress firm, you.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Gotta have your foot on the ground and that's going
to stop you from spinning.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
So it's wild by LeVar. How bad your stomach was
probably mining its own business, and all of a sudden,
this poison comes down the shoot and they're like, hey, buddy,
what are we doing here? Ten minutes later you're blowing
chunks in a trash can.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It was. It was a pretty out of body experience,
is all. I'll say. God, and I should have known
the way they prepared it was really really crazy, like
the way it looked when they did it, because I
was looking at it, I was like, what is that?
Is that just for like a decoration. They're like, no,
it's a real drink, dada this and that. I was like, well,
(24:44):
how many of these do you guys, you know, give
out and hand out there? Like yeah, no, one ever
buys it, and I was like, well, I want to
try it, you know that, like they should explain the
history of it and this, that and the other. And
I was like, I want to try it. Like that
looks really really fun, like you're gonna run it over
a cube of ice, Like it just seems or not ice,
but cube of sugar. It's like it just seems way
(25:07):
too extensive to be so old school. So let's let's
see what we got here.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I tell you, first of all, I didn't think it
tasted good. It's like feels like, if I recall it correctly,
it's like on that jaeger Meister type of kick, Like
it has that that type of feel to it. I
want to say it smelled like black licorice in my mind.
I want to say that's what I remember it recall
it smelling like I think. I don't know, but I
drank it pretty quickly because it's not a lot, you know,
(25:35):
it's not like a big glass of what It is
like a little ass glass that you get. But let
me tell you something, man, I was I was calling out.
I was called man, my spirit was calling out to
the outer beyond. After I drank that bruh, it did
not end well with that. I ain't gonna lie to
you like I don't know. You could be the coldest
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drinker ever of all time and still end up lame
after that one. Bro, Yeah, that's rough. Have you ever
had it? Have you got any of y'all ever had it?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I might have had a sip, but it was a
long time ago.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's pretty intense. That's pretty intense intense action.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Right there, man, I said earlier, I've had it.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I know you okay, Yeah, yeah, bro, well I do
know this. Coming up next to ancestors, man, come on
next here on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
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believe this is actually a real thing, and it hasn't
been done sooner, but the NFL announcer going to hand
out moving forward, something called the Protector of the Year Award,
and it's going to be handed out to the best
offensive lineman each year. The name is terrible.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Nice, I mean the name, Yeah, they got to figure
out something else there.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
But but how's this not happened before?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I mean, they've had in college football for a while
now that the Tom More Award, and I believe I'm
trying to recall who is behind it, But the reality
is it's an awesome honor, especially to a group that's
the most selfless group on the football field.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And ultimately he plays as big of a role as
anyone and winning or losing.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Championships for that matter. So it's cool to see the
NFL is taking this step. It feels like sometimes the
NFL is so hesitant, or even college football is hesitant
to mimic what the other is doing, like they don't
want to do it sometimes just for the sake of it, like,
well that's what college football does.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
We don't want to do that. Well, this is deservedly so.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And I think most most people, they'll look at a
number of teams out there, and they tend to be
the teams that are playing late in the season, and
they will say, that's one of the best, if not
the best, offensive lines. So I'm glad they're finally doing this.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I don't know, Protector of the Year like sucks. It
sounds really cheesy to me, man, But I mean I
get the premise of it, because it is a very
very under undervalued position, you know, or role that you play.
It's like the only time offensive linemen really get noticed
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is when they are doing something that leads to a
a major play by the defense. You know, it's it's
a very thankless job. And so while I like the
premise of what it represents, like, you know, give them
some give them some credit because again I always come
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back to this, we have now settled in on thinking
whoever wins the Heisman is the best player in college football.
We've settled in on that, and I think it it's
it's unfortunate because it's always going to overlook guys that
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should be considered the best player in the game because
you're focused in on quarterbacks. Like that's kind of just
the general idea of it is, you know, more often
than not, the quarterback is not the best player in
college football. It's just not. It's it's more often than not.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So I pushback, it's more offensive in nature nowadays. I
mean we've had a number of wide receivers. I mean,
Travis Hunter is a you know, slash player wide receiver
cornerback this year, but even DeVante Smith going back, and
it just feels like it's it's just it's become more
of an offensive awards, which, to your point, is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's again, and the answer is, yes, it is offensively driven,
but even looking at it from it being offensively driven,
you never look at the offensive line. You just never
do it, Like Orlando Pace should have been the first
offensive lineman to win the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean, the fact that he was a finalist is incredible.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, and he should have won and he and it
shouldn't even been a question and it shouldn't even been closed.
Orlando Pace is one of those offensive linemen generational talent
that should have won the.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Award, but didn't any George win it that year though.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Maybe maybe so maybe so. I just know, when when
you have these types of things where they develop an
award for a position on the field, especially in particular
like the offensive line, it's it's like, you know, that's nice,
it's a qualifier, but let's be clear, like an offensive
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lineman is always going to be an afterthought to pretty
much everybody else unless they are tremendous liability and and
so to me, you know, I feel I feel as
though it's nice that that they come up with an
award that you know, acknowledges that I think it is
a pretty corny award. I mean in terms of name
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and title, I think it's pretty corny. But in nature,
I think it it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I got a solution. Why did they change it to
the Larry Allen Award? He passed away last year. Some
have called him the greatest offensive lineman in the history
of the league. Why not that the Larry Allen Award.
He's not the greatest lineman in the history of the league.
For once, it's debatable. It's not debatable who's the best.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
By the way, by the way, I was way off.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It was the following year after Eddie George won the
Heisman and Orlando Pace finished fourth.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That is amazing. Which, by the way, that's amazing because
you're not going to get the love and respect that
you're deserving of being an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
So by the way, he was second to John Hicks,
who I believe was another offensive lineman for Ohio State
who finished rather high the Heisman in nineteen seventy three.
But pretty crazy to think, like in today's terms, I
just I don't know of another offensive libman in college
football that has been so down minute that you could
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even put into that conversation. Now, granted something that's how
the game's changed, so you know, they don't run as much,
so maybe that's part of it. But I mean, think
about how rare that is. I mean, two guys in
the history of the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, some people do have have Larry Allen number one, Jonas,
I wouldn't have thought that you would have Orlando Pace
ranked fourth or Jonathan Ogden ranked third. I think, honestly speaking,
if if if I were to give my top top
offensive lineman, Larry Allen would be in my top five
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one hundred percent of any list that was ever created,
no shade, no doubt there. But I think you got
to start with Orlando Pace at number one on every list,
and then I think about Walter Jones and Jonathan Ogden
as my interchangeable two and three, and then maybe a
Larry Allen after that. I know people love throwing that
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love to Anthony Munos. I know he did a fine
job and an amazing job in the time, in the
era that he played. I wouldn't put him as the
top guy of all time, but you know he had
a brilliant career. But I don't know, so to your point,
I guess you know some people do. What got Larry
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Allen as the greatest of all time?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
I think was pushing for Olin Krutz to get his
name on the award I heard back of the day.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
But I mean, you're the Bears fan, buddy.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Just you know, trying to give some love to the
great offensive lineman of the game who were finally getting
an award after all Thomas for.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Going that round.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
All right, that works?
Speaker 5 (34:46):
There you go makes sense to me. It is Two
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Speaker 5 (35:55):
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Well deserved and he will be Uh, there's some little
bit of criticism.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
You know, they need to do a better job of
finding a way of announcing this. It's really hard to
do because the timing of when they announce the award.
But it also feels like they could have done it
right after the regular season, maybe before the playoffs, or
tied in something to the play in. It just it
feels like an afterthought. I mean, we're at the Eastern
and Western Conference finals. All anyone cares about at this
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point is who's going to win the championship. We all
knew SGA was going to win it this year. And
I think the part of the issue is, even though
his team advanced, I thought when Jokic and him went
head to head, Jogic looked like the player that was
probably more of the MVP, even though he couldn't carry
his team past them. Oka, but see just looks like
the deeper team. And that's how a takeaway from anything
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SGA has done. I just think when you're comparing the two,
at times, you're like, dude, Yogics seems unstoppable and he's
doing it almost all by himself. Meanwhile, SGA's got an
entire team around him. He was able to pitch in
and help them get past the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah. I mean, I'm with you, Q. Give the award
soon as the regular season ends, because I mean, am
I alone in this and thinking that what takes place
in the playoffs dictates a lot of conversation towards who
the MVP is for the season, And I don't I
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don't agree with that. I don't agree with it, because
if you're not going to count the postseason and going
into the consideration of who's going to win the MVP Award,
then announce it before the playoffs get going. Otherwise you
leave that door open for the debate of saying, like, Okay,
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this guy is clearly proving they're the most dominant player
in the league. They're clearly proving they're the most important
team to their or most important player to their team.
And I think it creates confusion, I really do. And
so to me, why wait this long? You're not even
the significance of announcing the award? What is it? You're
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in the conference finals. You're not even in the finals finals, right,
So you're going to have a playoffs MVP. You're going
to have a playoffs well not playoffs, but you know,
the finals MVP. Whoever wins the finals, you're going to
choose an MVP. Why would you get this close to
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the end name it before you even know who's coming
out of each conference, before you get into the finals
where you're gonna name it MVP who performs the best
in the finals. But at the same time, you're saying
that if your team isn't successful that automatically knocks you
out of the running to be the MVP to begin
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with out of the regular season. I just think that
they should draw clearer lines to getting to the conclusion
of this is the MVP. Name it before you go
into the playoffs. Great, now move into who's playing the
best basketball as a player and as a team in
the playoffs, and you don't have to sit there and
be chanting MVP to all of these different players that
are in the playoffs that aren't going to get the award,
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and then it's not based off of how they perform
in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
I mean, they kind of there was an opportunity for
them to do it in one of these series. They
could have done it Game seven before he took on
Joker and had that whole situation play out, which would
have felt like a little bit more meaningful. They've done
that before to where players have accepted the award right
before before they play a game. I don't know what
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the strategy was here, because what if they had lost
that game seven. If they lose that game seven, now
it just feels kind of I mean, you lost, the
season's over, but now we'll announce the MVP. It just yeah,
it felt like they delayed a little bit too long.
But I'm just glad he didn't throw himself on the
floor or flop when he got the award. I think
that's really the big win for.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Why don't we get so much pushback from I guess
our show is starting to evolve, man, because oh god,
people be having issues with anything we have to say anymore. Man,
She's take it light. Damn. I got blocked on social
didn't even follow them.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
That should be the official song for the Tush push.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That right there was this the music they were playing
under Jeffrey Lauri's compassion speech.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I don't know about the wet dreams part of it.
I don't think this was Maybe this part of the
song will be the wet dream part of the song.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
All the way, who outed Jeffrey Lourie.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
It's so detailed. The entire report was was Wickersham in
the meeting? Because that sounded like like a court reporter
basically just documenting everything.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
He must be paying off someone who works at the
hotel convention center.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
They're aut or something.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He's got to He's got to have some like solid
sources because that was way too detailed.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I mean, you know, somebody here does know Troy Vincent.
Maybe they could reach out and see, yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's a good point, that's a good cue. I mean
That's the other.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thing is maybe maybe if you cast Jeffrey Lourie is
not very much of a sympathetic sympathetic you know, figure
you can get some people to turn. There's more public
sentiment to get the play out where fans complain.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
There's more of an upward to it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Maybe you convinced two other teams to throw in the
change as well. I mean, if you if you go
back and look to at the ten that voted for it,
we obviously knew Philly was going to. Of the other
nine that voted to keep the play in, I believe
all but two, Aaron Glenn and Mike Vrabel are offensive
minded coaches, which I kind of find interesting. I mean,
(02:10):
I wonder if those coaches, like Liam Cohen, for example,
in Jacksonville. I wonder if he's like, yeah, we're gonna
implement this in a certain way, or we feel like
there's something that we want to implement or take advantage
of that could be close to that player.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Maybe it's something different.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But I do find it interesting that it was only
two defensive minded coaches of the other nine outside of
Philly that decided to say, yeah, I don't have problem
with the play.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I'm happy it's sticking around, just for petty reasons, because
if they're not going to implement the new playoff seating scream,
you don't get this out either.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Sorry, I just don't think that one coaching staff is
as it applies to one play in particular, one play
in particular, you have to have the scenario of that
play and the details of it be so unique to
(03:05):
you that only you can do it. And maybe that's
because it's Jalen Hurts, you know. Maybe it's because they
maintained a very very strong and dominant offensive front. But
if I'm anybody else around the league, I'm I'm going
to have a touch push package. So whoever represents the
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strength of Jalen Hurts in terms of, you know, getting
the ball, putting your head down, getting behind somebody. Same
with the offensive front. If even if I have to
put in like I remember they used to put in
Warren Sap for Tampa Bay, there would be packages they
put Booger McFarlane and Warren Sap in the game and
(03:53):
they put them in the backfield. There'd be certain times,
you know, Bill Belichick did it with with Mike Rabel
and guys at times where they would put in certain
players in certain short yardage situations. Figure out how to
do it yourself. If you can't beat them, you join them.
(04:14):
The NFL has always been a copycat league. Always. It
will never cease to be a copycat league. You see
the pistol come in, everybody starts running pistol. You see
r pos develop and become a thing in the NFL.
Everybody runs our pos. You know it's it's you know,
route progressions. You see it get implemented. It works. Everybody
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starts running that route progression, whatever it is, formationally speaking,
whatever it is. And then from there people start creating
their own wrinkles. If you got a problem with a
play that you feel is an unstoppable play that isn't
a football play, don't don't bitch and moan about the
fact that it didn't get banned. You figure out how
(04:56):
to run it. Who's the who's the guy that's strong
with carrying the ball on your team? Put a running
back in at at quarterback, they know the play's coming
as soon as he comes in, So what you know
if it's if it's if it's third, fourth and short and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
It isn't that part of the issue, Like, isn't that
part of the issue with the play is if the
defense knows it's coming and they can't stop it, that
there's something either schematically to it, because it's not just
I mean, we've talked about the percentage of success or
the success rate. I mean, for affiliate's over seventy percent,
I think closer seventy five. For most teams it's over seventy. Like,
(05:33):
isn't there a discussion point to be had if you're
talking about the competition committee, like how competitive of a
play is it? If anyone can run it, have success
with it, and know it's coming and still can't stop it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's I think that would be the point in which,
if it goes in front of the competition committee that
maybe maybe it justly and fairly gets put on the shelf.
Is if everybody does doing it and it does start
to impact the way the game looks, the product of
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the game and the way that it looks like dang,
Like okay, you get to you know, second down and
five and now instead of continuing to have your playbook
open and do things that create oohs and aws for
the viewing audience, you shut down your scheme and go
straight to the touch push for second down, third down,
(06:29):
and fourth down instead of punting. You know, if everybody
starts doing it and you see this touch push taking
place multiple times upon multiple times from all of the
teams and it's working, I think then it becomes a
real issue. It now becomes an issue, and I would
(06:50):
need I say, there's the possibility that you will see something,
you know, catastrophic happen during the course of time of
that level of frequency taking place with the play. You know,
if you're not going to ban the play and the
play is truly an unstoppable play, then you figure out
(07:12):
how to run it on your team too, Because the
bottom line is is if you're not trying to figure
out how to run it, then are you truly trying
to be a team that can win games. You know
a lot of people subscribe to the if you ain't cheating,
you ain't trying, And in this case, it ain't even
cheating because it's been legal to do it. So why
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wouldn't you see more teams do it more consistently. Don't
just look at the Philadelphia Eagles and be like, oh
the Philadelphia Eagles, Like nah, you do it? Then you
got pros just like they do. You got players that
can do the same things that those guys can do.
I don't need a guy to be able to throw
the ball on those type of plays. So I'm gonna
put in a good running back, get the ball, put
(07:54):
your head down. I'm gonna get some good pushers behind them.
I'm gonna get some good pushers up. Run and we're
going to push. We're going to scrum it out, which
it isn't a true scrum, but in all intentsive purposes,
you are running a scrum like play like run.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It can I can?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I take this conversation a different direction, Jonas, and this
is more your wheelhouse. Okay, has the point industry not
like taken over anything with the touch push? So what
I'm just saying, like, is there not a category or
is there just.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Not anything that's come from that the adult film industry, Yes,
a better way of I mean I'm not I'm not
up to speed on whether or not they've taken Lee
taken some real life situations from the Eagles. Uh would
that be called a GB playbook? Damn?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Lee? Can you can you research this for US League?
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Problem is I got to use a probably got to
find a different computer. I would not want to use
the word.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, that's you have a phone.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Yes, that's what I'm doing, dude. Uh yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Don't act like you don't have stuff in your search history, in.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Your get off the Total Wine app, that couch time.
You know that in the kitchen.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
You're ahead of the game here, Brady, I am not
seeing h I'm not seeing any Eagles jerseys in any
of these thumbnails.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, I'm just I'm saying, like, could there not be
a toush Push one, two, three four. I'm not exactly
sure what exactly that looks like, but I think the
adult film industry has missed out.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
Gosh, I think I found one.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Oh no, it's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Jalen hurts Jersey at all.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
So they re enacted the Toushbush adult film.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I mean I wouldn't. It's not like they have a
whole scrum here. But yeah, there's a I know, but
there's something here.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
But there.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But that's at least the describe what you're seeing here
and use instead of directly describing it.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Act like we're out of zoo and we're all walking
through a zoo together.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Well, we're under a bridge with lots of graffiti, and
there's a Jalen Hurts male figure here with U with
the black jersey alternate. And then we have an old
Philly Green Kelly Green number two, uh, squatted down getting
ready for the hike?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Was that a Darius Slay? I don't know you played center?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh wow?
Speaker 7 (10:16):
Training for the big game?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Send it. I'm so lost right now, and I don't understand.
Like I thought we were on the way to Granny's house.
We go a little rate riding hood. I don't know
what path we're on right now. I don't know when
we hit the exit routes.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Two months ago.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Under the bridge.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
How did you guys locate this piece of information? I'm
just curious, Gesh.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
What the hell am I looking at?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh my god, I'm truly repulsed right now. I feel
like Troy Vincent right now. Yes, and you know what,
but for some strange reason, I really did just hit play.
I just hit skipp now I've I've added it to
it's like, okay, they're running down a trail.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's it's I'm deleting this this group text.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm out running. Who's number two on on Philadelphia?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's okay, So I was going to say David Akers,
but it appears with that more like Darius Slay there.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, because it's the wrong team for a kicker to
be involved with.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's like, that's like a few hours. Uh you know,
up up? What is that north of Philadelphia? Is that north?
Maybe south south of south of Philly?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Fair point? By the way, Uh, speaking of kickers, can
I throw something at you that this is ridiculous that
the NFL did and it came out it didn't get
all the covers of the tush push and the playoff
seating being tabled and them taking it off the docket.
But I just don't understand this one. So the NFL,
(12:09):
we talked about, hey, listen, you know the on side
kick only being in the fourth quarter, et cetera, et cetera.
So the NFL, the NFL.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh my gosh, okay.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
The NFL. So the NFL apparently approved onside kicks in
any quarter but the teams still have to declare that
there's an on side kick coming. So you're allowing teams
to now do the on side every quarter, but you
still can't surprise anybody with the onside kick. Doesn't that
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kind of take away all of the entertainment value with
it when all of a sudden, hey, look, you know
somebody does a surprise onside Who cares if you can
do it in every single quarter if you're trailing in
a game, when most teams are just going to do
it in the fourth quarter. The only time you probably
would do it earlier in the game would be if
there was a surprise element added to it. And if
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they're not going to do that, what's the point?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know what? This sounds like.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
This sounds like the type of rule that would be
at the beginning of the invention of football, Like, ah,
we're gonna have very onside kick here. We gotta make
sure they know the other term has a chance to
recover the outside kick here already say they're old curly,
let's go ahead and they'll have a little onside kick
and we'll make sure everyone's lined up appropriately.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, four quarters here, I already say to that curly.
I mean it's it goes.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Against all common sense to your point, and it feels
like like we've we've had an onside kick. If your
problem with the onside kick is twofold a player safety issue,
because again I've I've seen guys who just have demolished
human beings ten yards apart, I mean, just running through
them like a mac truck. And I know there was
(13:58):
a concern for that. All right, so we've addressed that
to a degree. You can't overload sides, et cetera. Now
we've gotten to the point where we're saying, all right,
it's not a successful play. Well, of course, it's not
like the onside kick in essence shouldn't be a highly
successful play because the team that's down should just be
able to get the ball back to come back and
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make it easy on them, Like, how's that fair to
the other team who's been able to build up a
lead for the past three three and a half in
almost all four quarters. I mean, so inherently, like you're
looking at saying, like, why do we need to make
this easier for a team to come back? Just because
so it's more compelling for the viewer When that's always
been how the rule was. That's been that way for
a while for a reason. It just everything feels so
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gimmicky nowadays, because it's like we're trying to milk every
ounce out of every second on every single game sold.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Curently over there, he's going to kick the ball down
the field.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
But the defense looks ready for it, as they've got
to declare that they're going to be doing an outside
kick here the first out.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Of the game.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
It's an odd shaped ball for an odd shaped spot
and an odd shape play. Hah.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'll gladly pay you for this burger that you get
me today tomorrow. Thank you, my fine gentlemen. This is
a fine burger that you've given me.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Are we turning back? Turning back time? The rules of
the NFL stupid.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Stuff old time football?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Huh me, think about it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
We're talking about the tush push that looks like old
school scrums back and then they when football first started
before the forward pass. And now we've got to declare
when we want to kick it outside kick through at
four quarters.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I used to run on side kicks almost every other
every other kickoff.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Oh do tell all.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, I had like twenty one players small Christian Private School.
So in trying to preserve some of my better players
out of the twenty one because literally, uh eleven of
them had to play the entire game, and literally six
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of them were football players out of the nine. So
obviously that left me twelve non football playing players that
were on my team. One, by the way, was a
young lady, and I had to figure out ways to
kind of minimize how teams could score on us. So
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kicking the ball off and kicking it to a returner
was a dangerous thing for us because if I put
my I like this, I like this by life. If
I put my my nine in there, that are really
really players that I need for the four quarters to
go both ways on offense and defense and they're running
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down the field, that's an unnecessary rep for them. And
Achille Smith was my offensive coordinator that year, and he
used to get p owed with me in the worst way.
What are you doing? Why are you doing it? I'm like, dude,
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do you want your running back to be able to run?
Do you want your receiver to be able to get open? Like?
Because I need them on defense too. I need to
play man coverage and I need to be able to tackle,
so we would kick on sides, and my thought process
was either we're going to recover it at which a
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lot of times we did because we got good at
it because we did it so much, or they were
going to catch it and we'd be right there to
tackle them without out running too far, or go out
of bounce and I'll take the penalty. But anyways, you
don't have that problem at college or or pro. So
at the pro level, there's no reason for that to
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be the reason. But I did run on sites and
it was not a surprise. I tend to think that
the on site secret sauce is obviously the kicker's ability
to be able to get it to bounce up high
enough where that first wave. As Q mentioned that first wave,
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that first guy down, he has to hit the point
man and obliterate him. If he could take that first
point man out, then it's a jump ball, which interestingly enough,
it almost becomes like a rugby style play. Who's going
to go up top and who's going to get a
hold of it while it's in the air.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Coach Arrington, he's the bee's knees. By the way I
looked up nineteen twenty nineteen twenty slang terms. You guys
ready for this?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
The cat's pajamas and the bee's knees for excellent or
cool things.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Giggle water, cat's pajamas.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It just means like excellent and cool thing? Is that
over there's the cat's pajamas.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Do you put the cat in the pajamas? Is it just?
I don't know what kind of cat we talking about.
I don't know. Is it a n Aali cat? Cat? Cat?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Isn't under the bridge cat?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Is it a lee cat?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
So there's also Yeah, the term for alcohol in the
nineteen twenties was giggle water. That was a term for alcohol.
Other terms included flapper flapper for a trendy young woman,
glad rags for fancy clothes, and speak easy for legal
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bars during prohibition. You're like one hundred years late. You
were meant for the nineteen Well, so.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
That's apple sauce nonsense or something unbelievable?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
What?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
What? No?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Your onions be well informed?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Are these nineteen twenty terms?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Apparently?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Is that you're looking up as well?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Yeah, some giggle water, the juice joint.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I'm on a too, Yep, I'm on a too with
some Yeah, still got it, still flowing.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, still got it? Oh my god? Still good. Good
for you, Lee?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I do I do like a good gimblet was very
popular in the.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Nineteen twenties, Lee, What alcohol do you not like?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I feel like that's a much shorter route to figure
things out than what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Like.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm uh.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
I used to not like rum.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
You know, everyone's got that one alcohol that you couldn't
drink for a long time, or the first alcohol you
get sick on. It was rum for me for a while,
couldn't even do rum cake. But now I like a
good my type.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
But I've gotten past that persevere Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
So so what was your kryptonite? Now that's back in
the game.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Uh, well, you know, I've never tried the malort.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I don't even know where to try it, but you know,
that's famously the one that people gag on. You know,
I like every you know, I I accept everything. So
Jaeger Yeager's good. I like a good Yeager bomb.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh, I'm trying to think that's ridiculous, man.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean, when's the last time you did a Yeager bomb?
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Mm, it's got to be within the year.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
What's the one that I can't hand that that just
really was really bad for me? Jonas. What is it
called again? Something? I had it out of speak easy,
which is funny because I'm hitting to that same hotel.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Was it a uh oh god? It was like an
energy drink, and.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's the one they put over to the sugar Oh absente,
there you go. Yeah, that's from the prohibition, isn't it. Yeah,
that's another level.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Oh yeah, that'll get you jacked up.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I don't know where that's in. Uh where does that
compare to Moonshinely?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
The proof is high rightly, it's just more it's just
there's like a hallucinogenic stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
From it or something.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Yeah, and that's that's played up quite a bit.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
I mean, yeah, some people say that they kind of
hallucinate off of absinthe.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
But that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I have never hallucinated, but I sure as heck has
blocked out from a little bit of that too much.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I vomited at least ten minutes. Twenty minutes later after
drinking one drink of it. I was walking down the
hallway stumbling, and I and there were two trash cans
and both trash cans got a load of me.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
That's how that was.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know better, what Well, if you found the right
mattress to lay on after that? Oh god, yeah, because
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firms where they sail and sleep at night.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
That's brutal, can you image?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
As long as that mattress can keep the room from
moving and spinning, that be the mattress that I will
want at that Well.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Jonas has a fix for that. By the way, you
know this, have you ever heard this before? Jonas?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Go ahead, Oh yeah, just cover one eye. Yeah, Like
there's like, you don't ever want to be a cyclops,
but in those moments you got to be. It's the
only way you can focus on the TV, the only
way you can focus uh hopefully not on the road,
but you know, duty calls and yeah, you just got
to close one eye or cover it.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Up, and you gotta have a foot on the ground.
Can't be laying down right, or you gonna have a
foot on the ground.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I would assume you'd probably want one there anyways, But
I can't. I can't imagine bealer are levitating. But I
didn't know that that was.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, if you're just if you're like laid down on
a mattress firm, you.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Gotta have your foot on the ground and that's going
to stop you from spinning.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
So it's wild by LeVar. How bad your stomach was
probably mining its own business, and all of a sudden,
this poison comes down the shoot and they're like, hey, buddy,
what are we doing here? Ten minutes later you're blowing
chunks in a trash can.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It was. It was a pretty out of body experience,
is all. I'll say. God, and I should have known
the way they prepared it was really really crazy, like
the way it looked when they did it, because I
was looking at it, I was like, what is that?
Is that just for like a decoration. They're like, no,
it's a real drink, dada this and that. I was like, well,
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how many of these do you guys, you know, give
out and hand out there? Like yeah, no, one ever
buys it, and I was like, well, I want to
try it, you know that, like they should explain the
history of it and this, that and the other. And
I was like, I want to try it. Like that
looks really really fun, like you're gonna run it over
a cube of ice, Like it just seems or not ice,
but cube of sugar. It's like it just seems way
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too extensive to be so old school. So let's let's
see what we got here.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I tell you, first of all, I didn't think it
tasted good. It's like feels like, if I recall it correctly,
it's like on that jaeger Meister type of kick, Like
it has that that type of feel to it. I
want to say it smelled like black licorice in my mind.
I want to say that's what I remember it recall
it smelling like I think. I don't know, but I
drank it pretty quickly because it's not a lot, you know,
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it's not like a big glass of what It is
like a little ass glass that you get. But let
me tell you something, man, I was I was calling out.
I was called man, my spirit was calling out to
the outer beyond. After I drank that bruh, it did
not end well with that. I ain't gonna lie to
you like I don't know. You could be the coldest
(25:57):
drinker ever of all time and still end up lame
after that one. Bro, Yeah, that's rough. Have you ever
had it? Have you got any of y'all ever had it?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I might have had a sip, but it was a
long time ago.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's pretty intense. That's pretty intense intense action.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Right there, man, I said earlier, I've had it.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I know you okay, Yeah, yeah, bro, well I do
know this. Coming up next to ancestors, man, come on
next here on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
we are going to tell you about somebody who's finally
going to get their shine, somebody in the NFL finally
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believe this is actually a real thing, and it hasn't
been done sooner, but the NFL announcer going to hand
out moving forward, something called the Protector of the Year Award,
and it's going to be handed out to the best
offensive lineman each year. The name is terrible.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Nice, I mean the name, Yeah, they got to figure
out something else there.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
But but how's this not happened before?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I mean, they've had in college football for a while
now that the Tom More Award, and I believe I'm
trying to recall who is behind it, But the reality
is it's an awesome honor, especially to a group that's
the most selfless group on the football field.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And ultimately he plays as big of a role as
anyone and winning or losing.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Championships for that matter. So it's cool to see the
NFL is taking this step. It feels like sometimes the
NFL is so hesitant, or even college football is hesitant
to mimic what the other is doing, like they don't
want to do it sometimes just for the sake of it, like,
well that's what college football does.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
We don't want to do that. Well, this is deservedly so.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And I think most most people, they'll look at a
number of teams out there, and they tend to be
the teams that are playing late in the season, and
they will say, that's one of the best, if not
the best, offensive lines. So I'm glad they're finally doing this.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I don't know, Protector of the Year like sucks. It
sounds really cheesy to me, man, But I mean I
get the premise of it, because it is a very
very under undervalued position, you know, or role that you play.
It's like the only time offensive linemen really get noticed
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is when they are doing something that leads to a
a major play by the defense. You know, it's it's
a very thankless job. And so while I like the
premise of what it represents, like, you know, give them
some give them some credit because again I always come
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back to this, we have now settled in on thinking
whoever wins the Heisman is the best player in college football.
We've settled in on that, and I think it it's
it's unfortunate because it's always going to overlook guys that
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should be considered the best player in the game because
you're focused in on quarterbacks. Like that's kind of just
the general idea of it is, you know, more often
than not, the quarterback is not the best player in
college football. It's just not. It's it's more often than not.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So I pushback, it's more offensive in nature nowadays. I
mean we've had a number of wide receivers. I mean,
Travis Hunter is a you know, slash player wide receiver
cornerback this year, but even DeVante Smith going back, and
it just feels like it's it's just it's become more
of an offensive awards, which, to your point, is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's again, and the answer is, yes, it is offensively driven,
but even looking at it from it being offensively driven,
you never look at the offensive line. You just never
do it, Like Orlando Pace should have been the first
offensive lineman to win the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean, the fact that he was a finalist is incredible.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, and he should have won and he and it
shouldn't even been a question and it shouldn't even been closed.
Orlando Pace is one of those offensive linemen generational talent
that should have won the.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Award, but didn't any George win it that year though.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Maybe maybe so maybe so. I just know, when when
you have these types of things where they develop an
award for a position on the field, especially in particular
like the offensive line, it's it's like, you know, that's nice,
it's a qualifier, but let's be clear, like an offensive
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lineman is always going to be an afterthought to pretty
much everybody else unless they are tremendous liability and and
so to me, you know, I feel I feel as
though it's nice that that they come up with an
award that you know, acknowledges that I think it is
a pretty corny award. I mean in terms of name
(31:50):
and title, I think it's pretty corny. But in nature,
I think it it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I got a solution. Why did they change it to
the Larry Allen Award? He passed away last year. Some
have called him the greatest offensive lineman in the history
of the league. Why not that the Larry Allen Award.
He's not the greatest lineman in the history of the league.
For once, it's debatable. It's not debatable who's the best.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
By the way, by the way, I was way off.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It was the following year after Eddie George won the
Heisman and Orlando Pace finished fourth.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That is amazing. Which, by the way, that's amazing because
you're not going to get the love and respect that
you're deserving of being an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
So by the way, he was second to John Hicks,
who I believe was another offensive lineman for Ohio State
who finished rather high the Heisman in nineteen seventy three.
But pretty crazy to think, like in today's terms, I
just I don't know of another offensive libman in college
football that has been so down minute that you could
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even put into that conversation. Now, granted something that's how
the game's changed, so you know, they don't run as much,
so maybe that's part of it. But I mean, think
about how rare that is. I mean, two guys in
the history of the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, some people do have have Larry Allen number one, Jonas,
I wouldn't have thought that you would have Orlando Pace
ranked fourth or Jonathan Ogden ranked third. I think, honestly speaking,
if if if I were to give my top top
offensive lineman, Larry Allen would be in my top five
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one hundred percent of any list that was ever created,
no shade, no doubt there. But I think you got
to start with Orlando Pace at number one on every list,
and then I think about Walter Jones and Jonathan Ogden
as my interchangeable two and three, and then maybe a
Larry Allen after that. I know people love throwing that
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love to Anthony Munos. I know he did a fine
job and an amazing job in the time, in the
era that he played. I wouldn't put him as the
top guy of all time, but you know he had
a brilliant career. But I don't know, so to your point,
I guess you know some people do. What got Larry
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Allen as the greatest of all time?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
I think was pushing for Olin Krutz to get his
name on the award I heard back of the day.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
But I mean, you're the Bears fan, buddy.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Just you know, trying to give some love to the
great offensive lineman of the game who were finally getting
an award after all Thomas for.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Going that round.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
All right, that works?
Speaker 5 (34:46):
There you go makes sense to me. It is Two
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get into that for you again a little over ten
minutes from now. Right now, though, it is time to
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hand out an award on this show for somebody who's
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Speaker 7 (35:47):
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Speaker 1 (35:50):
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Speaker 5 (35:55):
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Well deserved and he will be Uh, there's some little
bit of criticism.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
You know, they need to do a better job of
finding a way of announcing this. It's really hard to
do because the timing of when they announce the award.
But it also feels like they could have done it
right after the regular season, maybe before the playoffs, or
tied in something to the play in. It just it
feels like an afterthought. I mean, we're at the Eastern
and Western Conference finals. All anyone cares about at this
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point is who's going to win the championship. We all
knew SGA was going to win it this year. And
I think the part of the issue is, even though
his team advanced, I thought when Jokic and him went
head to head, Jogic looked like the player that was
probably more of the MVP, even though he couldn't carry
his team past them. Oka, but see just looks like
the deeper team. And that's how a takeaway from anything
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SGA has done. I just think when you're comparing the two,
at times, you're like, dude, Yogics seems unstoppable and he's
doing it almost all by himself. Meanwhile, SGA's got an
entire team around him. He was able to pitch in
and help them get past the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah. I mean, I'm with you, Q. Give the award
soon as the regular season ends, because I mean, am
I alone in this and thinking that what takes place
in the playoffs dictates a lot of conversation towards who
the MVP is for the season, And I don't I
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don't agree with that. I don't agree with it, because
if you're not going to count the postseason and going
into the consideration of who's going to win the MVP Award,
then announce it before the playoffs get going. Otherwise you
leave that door open for the debate of saying, like, Okay,
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this guy is clearly proving they're the most dominant player
in the league. They're clearly proving they're the most important
team to their or most important player to their team.
And I think it creates confusion, I really do. And
so to me, why wait this long? You're not even
the significance of announcing the award? What is it? You're
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in the conference finals. You're not even in the finals finals, right,
So you're going to have a playoffs MVP. You're going
to have a playoffs well not playoffs, but you know,
the finals MVP. Whoever wins the finals, you're going to
choose an MVP. Why would you get this close to
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the end name it before you even know who's coming
out of each conference, before you get into the finals
where you're gonna name it MVP who performs the best
in the finals. But at the same time, you're saying
that if your team isn't successful that automatically knocks you
out of the running to be the MVP to begin
(39:16):
with out of the regular season. I just think that
they should draw clearer lines to getting to the conclusion
of this is the MVP. Name it before you go
into the playoffs. Great, now move into who's playing the
best basketball as a player and as a team in
the playoffs, and you don't have to sit there and
be chanting MVP to all of these different players that
are in the playoffs that aren't going to get the award,
(39:40):
and then it's not based off of how they perform
in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
I mean, they kind of there was an opportunity for
them to do it in one of these series. They
could have done it Game seven before he took on
Joker and had that whole situation play out, which would
have felt like a little bit more meaningful. They've done
that before to where players have accepted the award right
before before they play a game. I don't know what
(40:03):
the strategy was here, because what if they had lost
that game seven. If they lose that game seven, now
it just feels kind of I mean, you lost, the
season's over, but now we'll announce the MVP. It just yeah,
it felt like they delayed a little bit too long.
But I'm just glad he didn't throw himself on the
floor or flop when he got the award. I think
that's really the big win for.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Why don't we get so much pushback from I guess
our show is starting to evolve, man, because oh god,
people be having issues with anything we have to say anymore. Man,
She's take it light. Damn. I got blocked on social
didn't even follow them.
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