December 1, 2025 • 41 mins
The guys talk about the fallout from the Lane Kiffin hiring at LSU and who is to blame for the current system in College Football, Pete Golding being named the permanent head coach for Ole Miss rather than "interim," FSR IR, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Song?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Why you swept me var because I know we're you
were going next? Your hate is real?
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What do you mean?
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Speaker 4 (01:53):
Can I see you guys? This about the Lane Kiffen stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, free Do you have a problem with his decision
because I don't have any issue with it whatsoever. I
don't blame the guy for making the move. I just
it's the whole I wish he were just a little
bit more upfront about it because the idea of like,
you know, I'm listening, I mean, this is really difficult,
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and I was, I was praying on it, and I
was doing all the It's like, but what does it matter.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Okay, like he offered that to you, but what is it?
What does it really matter?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You already know that if there's if there's other schools
coming after the prospect, what does it matter.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Well, so when he gets upset at you know, the
podcast or whoever it was that said you know, you
can't turn a hoe into a housewife, and he gets
upset about it, he confronts the guy.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's like, okay, it's like.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Dude, Lane Kiffins literally made a career out of trolling
people at every job. Like that's what he does. He's
he's done it throughout the course of it. So if
people start to ask questions like hey man, you know
you do kind of get around a lot, he does.
Like all all of that is fair, and whether you
want to go back to he got to Tennessee and
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he clowned Urban Meyern, Florida when he got to Tennessee
and is an introductory press conference, and then what happened
He bailed for them when he went to USC and
then he trolled Tennessee fans afterwards.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Like all of that. He's done it at every single.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One and one while he was doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Not ever, well, he's had a winning record everywhere he's gone.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Right, you just stay out of California, it'd be fun. Okay,
you know usc you know the Raiders. Don't call me
no Hodo, like, don't call me the Hodo. You see
them Jans, them Jens bugable of jeans, you know what
I mean, Like listen, hell no, you know them, Polo.
Don't call me a hoe, like, don't call me out
my name like you can. You can say some things
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about me. You could talk.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Crazy about what you think I do or I don't
stay at schools. But you know, if I want to
address you calling me a hoe and I can't.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Be a housewife. First of all, you call him a
woman and I'm a man.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
That's first. That's the first and foremost. And I know,
like that's more what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Context. No one knows what you're talking about right.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Now except your daddy reference well you know, because okay,
so for people who didn't see And there was a
reporter who basically, you know, used rap lyrics.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
From was a ludicris who said it, Hell no, He
basically said you can't make a housewife out of a hoe.
And he was making that in reference to Lane Kiffin
Lane Kiffin addressed him after the Egg Bowl where Old
Miss beat down on Mississippi State directly to his face,
and you know, look the reporters trying to stand by it.
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He followed up with it in the press conference. He's
followed up since then. He's trying to say that he
didn't call Lane Kiff and a hoe. But in reality,
like if you mentioned a saying that involves the word
ho and in that sense, you're kind of alluding to that,
he is that, and you're kind of calling so he's
what it is these words, you wrote it, you said it,
you have to you know, live by that.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Which, by the way, his security detail was about to
make him eat those words in real life. Like one
thing I love it about, yes, But you know what
though it was pretty I thought the way Lane turned
around and went back towards him and his security detail
turned around with him. I thought that was pretty cool.
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They was about to mug mug that man. But but anyway,
he's not. He's not a hole.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
He's he does what anyone in our country that understands
what the American dream represents.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You, that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You ultimately work your ass off some people are comfortable
working their ass off and being right where they're at,
never progressing, never going anywhere else, just being where they are.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And that's fine, that's your.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Choice, because that's also a part of the American dream,
is to be able to do it how you want
to do it. But but with that being said, you
are ultimately working your ass off to get more, to
accomplish more, to do more.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I don't feel like anybody should.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The only people that should be offended by or have
a problem with it are Old Miss people. And that's
because you've had a guy that has turned your program
into a winning program. So there's no but outside of that.
Outside of that, nobody has any right to be upset
at laying Kiffen for making a jump to what he
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felt was a better situation for him. I don't see
what the outrage of it is. I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Here's the outrage. Let me summarize this college football, This
world that the players and coaches are living in is
not a world that the fans are familiar with. Because
the Old Miss fans are outraged, right, they don't understand it.
And so when you sit there and say to them, look,
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the truth of everything that's going on, and this is
for coaches and players. There's no loyalty. These players aren't
going to schools in most cases to sit there and
say I'm going to play football and get my education.
They're all getting paid, folks. This is a professional sport now,
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and you've got you used to at least have the
past three four years. Kids who could leave twice a
year and they'd leverage that, their agent would leverage that,
or whoever is managing them. They'd be going to the
coach saying, if I'm gonna stay, I need a race
right now. We talked about Michigan earlier and where they
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need to get to in order to compete back again
with the highest state, that roster's going to look different.
You want to why, because I'm hearing that there's some
players who want to raise and that maybe Michigan has money,
but they'll see if they do, and there's some back
and forth going on. These are all the things you
hear when you go up there and you're, you know,
part of a big game.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Like that said by the way.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Wild, because that's what it is.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
It's professional sports. It's no different than fans not understanding
that you know, the the game Ohio State Michigan doesn't
mean what it used to to the players and coaches
now they'll never admit that, But the reality is, if
the ultimate goal was to win a national championship, and
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that game isn't as detrimental to you winning a national championship,
it doesn't mean as much. Twenty years ago, that game
meant you were probably not playing for a national championship
if you didn't win it. You weren't winning the Big
Ten if you didn't win it. That's what that game meant.
It doesn't mean that anymore. We just saw an example
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of that in last year with Ohio State. Now does
that mean any less to the fans for either Ohio
State or Michigan. Of course not, because they have to
live with the results. They're not getting paid. They're not
the ones that are worried about, you know, where they're
gonna be going next, or how they can keep climbing
like you're talking about LeVar. So the truth of the
matter is the entire college football world has changed into
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a professional sport, and just like everyone else in a
capitalist society, you do the same damn thing. If someone
offered you one hundred million dollar contract or if they
thought they could offer you not only more money, but
more money than the opportunity to go win a national championship,
which is the pinnacle of this sport. Right, So you
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do the same damn thing anyone out there listening who says, no,
I'd be loyal, No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't.
And let me just say this, on top of that,
this all is getting thrown on Lane Kiffen for his
maturity or lack thereof, and what he is as a person, etc.
You know, if the college football calendar wasn't set up
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the way it is, where you have an early signing
period coming up Wednesday, and you've got a transfer portal
window that opens up while the playoffs are still going on.
If this window wasn't constructed the way it is, we
wouldn't be having this issue. But the problem with college
football it's not the coaches who are trying to do
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everything they can to go make as much money or
win a national championship. It's surely not the players who
are finally able to capitalize off their name, image and
likeness and they're making money and they're trying to go
win a national championship and trying to get to the
next level to play in the NFL. It's not on them.
This is all of the adults that chose to do
nothing for the last two plus decades as they watched
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this sport continually turn into a professional sport. But they
were greedy enough to try to hold on with a
death grip on this thing like they wanted to keep
an amateur so they could keep all the money to them.
Talk to so the NCAA, every president of every university
and athletic director and conference commissioner who kept trying to
hold on to this thing instead of adapting with where
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it was all going. So that's why we are where
we are. And no one cared enough to think, maybe
we should change the college football calendar, maybe we should
make this more like the NFL. Oh, but we don't
want to do that because that's a professional sport. That's
what it is. That's what college football is now, and
we keep acting like we're not gonna We don't need
to turn it into that. That's what it is. We
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are paying these players, we're paying the coaches. It's all
about money. That's what it's become. So adapt this thing
into what it needs to so we don't have this
conflict in the future. The NFL doesn't allow their coaches
who are still coaching be hired before a certain period
of time. No one was getting on Kyle Shanahan when
everyone knew was the worst kept secret in the world
he was gonna be the next head coach in the
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San Francisco forty nine ers. When he's playing in a
Super Bowl against the New England Patriots, all you ever
heard about that was, well, he should have ran the
football more or neiled it every time in the fourth quarter,
and they would have beaten the Patriots instead of losing
out and blowing the biggest lead at twenty eight to three.
No one talks about what was Maybe it was distracted
with the head coaching job at San Francisco. No one
talks about that. They have mechanisms put in place. This
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isn't that difficult to figure out. The problem is all
the adults who are surrounding this, who are in power positions,
They're not acting like adults. They're just holding on to
what's there, as like a child at a playdate when
they don't want to share their toys. That's what this
has become. And so what we do is we sit
there and we blame Lane Kiffin, or we blame some
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of these young men who have different adults around them
who are agents or advisors or parents or managers, and
they're all tell them trying to get go, get as
much money as you can while you can, because there's
no guarantees in this sport past these.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's correct, it's the biggest point, no guarantees. Get it
while you can.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You mentioned the coaching hiring process in the NFL. You
guys remember twice we've been on location at the Super
Bowl when the last team to hire a head coach.
Coach was the host city Arizona, New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And why was that?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Because Jonathan Gannon was in a Super Bowl and Kellen
Moore was in a super Bowl and everybody knew what
was going. Like, do you think it's just a coincidence
these are the last two? Like this place is the
last place to find the head coach. No, because that
guy's still getting ready for a Super Bowl. So yeah,
it's the whole, the whole process of it, the whole
you know, treated as it as it's amateurism, But you've
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got guys making million plus dollars a year, you know
it Just yeah, I think people really are holding on
to that antiquated thought of college football being you know,
this sacred call, and it's just no longer that anymore
man like. So that's why when you say they made
the comment earlier, like you've got players at Michigan who
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want to raise if you would have said that ten
to fifteen years ago, we're talking about sanctions, we're talking
about all this stuff, and now that's just the reality
of the situation and people need to adapt or die.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
But what let me let me also let me also,
I don't want to make it exclusive to Michigan. That's everywhere.
There's a lot of teams, a lot of players who
have the agents or players walking in who want more money. Okay,
so that's not exclusive to Michigan. I'm just you know,
using that as an example because we're just up there,
and obviously you hear a lot when you're on some
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of these campuses and people like to tell you everything.
So it's just but but I think you can understand,
like I'm kind of with you. Where Look, did Lane
try to coach this thing out and basically have his
cake and eat it too? Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
He did.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
And and and here's the other thing I'll say to
that is why not try? I mean, LaVar, you are
the king of If I'm gonna have my cake, I'm
gonna eat it too.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Why not have It's the dumbest saying in the world.
If you don't, why would I have a cake? And
I'm not going to eat it? Like have your cake
and eat it too, Like you don't get it? You
got that right, You got that right. And let me
say this. Let me say this. I asked y'au the
other day and y'all said, well, you know it's the
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players that a die like should should ole miss be
judge based off of if Lane Kiffin isn't coaching and
I feel like they have to be And and and
here's the reason why.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Just like we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Negotiating, I need a pay raise or I'm not playing
in the bowl game, or I'm not playing a playoff,
Or'm gonna go somewhere else. But if you look at
the coaches situation, just follow the money. You ain't seeing nobody.
You're not seeing any players getting offered twelve million a year,
you know what I mean? Like, nobody's getting paid nobody's
getting paid that that's playing on the field. But yet
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in the league, you're not going to ever see a
coach make more than the marquee player.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So it's kind of like, to me, the value is
in the.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Coach at the college level, and if you lose as
a coach to the portal, if you lose the coach
to nil, then it seems to me that you've lost it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Like Ole Miss right now to day does not have it.
They don't.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Well, they elevated Pete Golding, which we'll get into, their
defensive coordinators, their permanent head coach. But let me just
give you an example of why. Like Old Miss fans,
and they can get upset with me saying this and
the whole entire situation, they can get upset about it.
But do people know the name John Summral because he
just got hired as the head coach of Florida and
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you know where he's coaching right now, Tulane, And he's
going to be allowed to coach Tulane through the rest
of the season. And if indeed they get a college
football playoff bid, which I believe they're up for that
and depending on how things go this weekend, they could
be that group of six team that gets in playing
in the College Football Playoff. So Tulane and they're athletic
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director made the decision that even though John Summer will
be moving on to Florida, he's still able to coach
this team through the rest of this season. And but
Old Miss has not granted him that. So to sit
there and say, like, oh, what Lane was doing is
it's unheard of, it's unprecedented. Okay, well, he tried to
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do exactly what another coach is already doing, who may
very well be part of the College Football Playoff to
play for a national championship, who's already taken a job,
and again another competing SEC school there and both schools
are allowing him to do it. So you sit there
and you hear this, and you just go, okay, well,
who's the problem really sit with? And again I'm not
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trying to blame Old Miss fans for the heartache and
everything else that came along with it, because again, it's
no different than people who were saying this who are
Buckeyes fans like I'd rather be in Michigan than than
win a national championship. There are people who actually would
say that stupid, and look, it's just it's a it's
a part of where we are at now in college football,
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which is so far ahead of where a lot of
the fans still are. Where they have this emotional tie,
this tribal tie to their alma mater or to their
school that they root for and the community that they
live in and that school supports. So I completely understand
all sides of this, but like, can we stop just
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taking the easy way out and just blaming Lane. I mean,
everyone at this stage is trying to do the exact
same thing. They're trying to get it paid as much
as they possibly can and win at the highest level
they can. And if Nick Saban, who's a former head
coach at LSU, who won a national championship, who now
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covers college football and looks at all of these different
programs and recruited against and played against Old Miss, and
as Lane Kiffen who is at Old Miss and was
at Tennessee, so he's recruited against LSU, he's played against
sel USU at both those places, if you look at
it from that perspective, and both of them, both of
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them think LSU is a better opportunity to go win
a national championship. Any better job, then that's just the
facts because.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's probably out on a bowl game before in IL.
So it doesn't matter. Like when you move on, you
move on, you know what I mean? Like and listen
as tribal people of our universities maintain that fans, don't
you lose that tribal feeling. Don't you lose that sense
of family because that's what we build on. You're not
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supposed to be happy about somebody trading on us, or
leaving us or letting us down. That's what makes it
fun us against you. But when it comes down to
the business of it, you gotta like you gotta see
it for what it's worth. You brought in Lane Kiffin.
He was high profile when you brought him in. If
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you don't think he's going if he's having success at your.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
School, look at yourself. Look at yourself.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
If he's making your program better, and you brought him
here to make it better based off of knowing that
he made a program before you better, what do you
think is coming down the pipe? Kirk Signetti up for
other jobs? What did they do at Indiana? Matt ruhle
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up for other jobs? What did they do at Nebraska.
There's a couple other schools as well. What did they do?
They stepped up. It didn't have to end this way.
You didn't have to watch Lane Kiffin leave. Lane could
have finished the season. You didn't put it on the tape.
You didn't put it out, You didn't put it on
the line. If you came to me and told me
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LSU paid him, offered him less than what Ole Miss
was offering him, and yet he still took the job
out of LSU. It's a different conversation. It's a different conversation.
But when you get into the talk of this is
big dogging big bank takes a little bank, then.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Maintain your level of disappointment for him leaving old Miss
big bottom.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Bottom line is money talks. Bs runs marathons. And you
know what, if you run a marathon and you get
to the end of it, you might be hungry. And
when you're hungry, well you might want to put some
Louisian you know what I mean? And you know what
it's three simple ingredients onto your plate. Turns your Tuesday
or Monday or Thursday or Wednesday, whatever one you could
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turn it into a tailgate. All right, So no matter
what day it is, grab that original Louisiana hot sauce.
Add a little bit to your game, and every day
will be game day for you.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's Louisiana hot sauce. Make sure you bale you something.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Now, there was some reports out there that Lane was
trying to maybe threaten his coaching staff, those who you
know aren't on the plane. You're not coming with me, Like,
there was all sorts of stuff that was happening that
may be led to why Ole Miss was very hesitant
to let him, you know, continue coaching the team. Marty
Smith did ask Lane about those reports yesterday on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah are we sure?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
There was no I guess there's a narrative because I
didn't talk to the players about that, that someone pumped
a narrative in them that there was an ultimatum to
coaches or something like that they had to go.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That there was nothing.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Every coach has their own decision to make and I
would never give them ultimatums like that, and so you know,
those are all their own individual decisions.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
It's pretty fascinating. Here's the only thing I'll say in
admitt Is. I talked to Lane Friday night. You know,
we talked about it on the set. I don't know
how comfortable Matt felt about it, but we'd FaceTime him.
He was with and this is after the egg Bowl obviously,
you know when he was with Charlie Weist, Junior was
a Trinidad Chelmless his quarterback, and we kind of had
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some conversation about it. He's pretty upfront. I mean, he's
pretty pretty much an open book, and I don't think
any of those players weren't prepared for what his potential
decision was going to be. And I think on the
way into Old Miss, all those players who come from
the transfer portal and he's noted as the transfer portal
king know exactly what they're signing up for as a
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guy who wants them to win, and he's going to
pay them as much as he can in order to
be there to go win football games. But if it
doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. It's a business decision.
I think he's very upfront about it. This does lead
to though, to this, there's a thought that Old Miss,
as a one last team is going to get dinged
for Lane Kiff and not being there. I don't see
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that being the case by the College Fotball Playoff committee.
I think they're going to honor what these players have
done and they'll be in the playoff. Pete Golding has
now taken over as their head coach. Instead of making
him an interim head coach, Keith Carter, the athletic director,
has made him the permanent head coach. So good for
Pete Golding, who I think I think has been able
to take advantage of this situation and a a athletic
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director and program that's desperate, because that's what this breeds
is desperation. I'm not saying Pete Golden is not gonna
be a good head coach or you know, isn't a
good defensive mind. But their defense hasn't been that good
under Lane Kiffin while old Miss and I'm also not
ignorant enough to think that. Look, when you run a
high powered offense, you know, is your defense going to
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face more snaps? Sure? Are they going to struggle at
times to you know, versus those extra ten to fifteen
plays they play a game, So they'll they'll brankings won't
be as high. Sure there's some there's some logic to that,
but this team has never been a great defensive team,
and so instead of doing a more solidified search, as
the dominoes continue to fall, I mean Pat Fitzgerald probably
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coming back to coaching coaching at Michigan State, which would
be a great fit, great hire. You know, we just
talked about John Summer, all Ryan Silverfield, Like we can
go down the list of guys now who Soulfield left
Memphis to be the head coach at Arkansas. The dominoes
are falling fast, Bob Chesney, Now UCLA, I mean things
are moving and because they know they have to get
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these this classes in before this early signing period and
then also be before the transfer portal window in January,
the reality is they should have looked at trying to
do more of a search, or at least while all
this was going on for weeks this college football season,
had someone in mind no different than Lane Kiffen having
LSU and Florida in mind when they started requesting. And
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it sounds dirty, well because it kind of is. And
that's more of a byproduct of the college football calendar
than is anything else. It's not on Lane, It's not
on the athletic director at Old Miss or anyone else involved.
It's the pressure that's put on them because the time
frame that we want to try to make these coaching
fires and hires and the entire process because of the calendar.
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And at some point someone's got to change that.
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on the subject of Michigan Ohio state. Because we talked
about how dominant Ohio state was. We made mention to
the fact that Sharon Moore. You know, maybe the clock
(28:01):
starts to tick on how long he'll be there based
on what the results are. I mean, he's ten games
over five hundred. They won last year at Ohio State,
they lost this year. If say they struggle again next
year and they're about a five hundred team, which would
(28:21):
be a big step down from what he's done thus
far at Michigan, but they do beat Ohio State. Is
there any conversation about him losing his job afterwards? What
if Sharon Moore has a five hundred times but he
beats Ohio State. That would put to the test the
(28:44):
if you win that game, that's the one they care
about the most, because I can't imagine they would move
on from Sharon Moore.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
If they should just see a world where they're gonna
be He's gonna be five hundred, like their team is
super young and be super talented next year they had
like six freshmens starting just on offense, then I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But why the conversation theory?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
In theory, his job should be on the line. But again,
that kind of just dovetails off of the conversation that
we were just having. Right, you could very easily be
Elaine Kiffin and you tailed off and nobody has anything
to say about you. You could be a Sharon Moore
who helped lead a team into US against the World
(29:30):
season where Michigan wins the national title and he becomes
the head coach. Now, if Sharon Moore leaves and goes
and becomes a head coach somewhere else versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
People will be upset.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But he ends up being the next head coach and
everything's okay. But if he has a bad season, then
now you're looking at it like, well, he's got to go.
Who's the next big thing to bring into Michigan to
make sure Michigan football can compete against Ohio State. His
job would be on the line if if he had
a bad season, that still beat Ohio State and it.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Should be Yeah. So I think, I just I think
the similarity to the situation is more of from the
Pete Golding side, you know Pete Golding because the timing
of Lane's departure in the university not allowing him to
keep coaching into the College Football Playoff like Tilne is
for example, John summerle It more lends itself to how
(30:24):
Sharon got the job as well. Right when Harbaugh decided
to move on and go into the NFL, there as
speculations about, you know, sanctions or punishment from the NCAA,
and you know, Sharon was okay with staying on for that.
There hasn't really been anything significant thus far that's impacted him.
(30:45):
But you know, the last two years have been a
departure from what this program was, which was a program
that got the two college football playoffs. Harder to do
to when you're talking about it being four teams won
a national championship, regardless of the Connor Stallion stuff and
everything else that people want to use as an excuse,
(31:07):
But it doesn't feel like they're getting closer to that.
Even though this was a better season this year than
last year, there was a few of those tight games.
I mean Northwestern, we're there for in Wrigley that could
have gone either way and they were lucky to have
won that game. And there was a few games you
kind of felt like that this season for Michigan. So
when you really look at it, you know, I think
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if he doesn't have a certain amount of success, even
if he beat Michigan or he beat Ohio State, I
do think there's some concern there. I wouldn't be shocked
if there wasn't some change on his coaching staff this
offseason based on how this season went, how much money
has been invested into some some of the players in
this roster, and what the expectations are in Michigan, because
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the reality is it's it's been a couple of years.
Now you're not a playoff team again. And you know,
you know, he kind of was that coach that because
of the timing have went hardball. Lef left was in
the right place at the right time. Pete Golding right place,
right time. And by the way, you go back to
like the whole ultimatum and whether or not Lane Kiffin
said to them, like, look, get on the plane. You've
(32:12):
got a job at Old Miss, but if you don't,
I have to move on. Even if that was the conversation,
it wasn't an ultimatum, but he kind of laid it
out for them. It's understandable. I mean, Pete Golden's got
to move on for a team that's not playing this
weekend but will be in the playoff, and Lane's got
to move on to a team that he's now recruiting for.
(32:32):
With the signing period coming up, the transfer portal coming up,
They're trying to get all those things in place. I
think the greater question right now, and revolving around Old Miss,
is who the hell's calling plays? I mean that entire
offensive staff went with Lane. And is that something that
the College Football Playoff Committee is going to look into
and be concerned by?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I hope not.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
They should be, I hope not, But like it is
going to be an issue even though you've got a
one lost team that's got the me to get in,
who are you leaning on?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That goes back to me bringing that up last week.
But and listen, coaches do that to prospects and players too,
by the way, and I know that for fact. You
mean one hundred fact. Coaches do that to the players
and prospects. Here's where I'm going.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I'm telling you I want you to come here. But
if you're not all in right now, I'm moving on.
If you if you go into the portal and you
get and I know what you're gonna say to you,
You're gonna come back and you're gonna be like it's tampering.
I'm just telling you what I know. In this situation.
Coaches do what the players too. They'll sit there and
(33:47):
tell you, if you hit the transfer portal and you
and you do the recruiting process, we're moving on. We're
gonna go because we don't have the time to sit
here and wait on you to decide if you want
to come play here. I got a roster to fill up.
So if you hit that portal, because I'm letting you know,
we want you. But if you hit that portal and
(34:09):
you don't, if you don't commit to us, like right away,
among like in your entry into the portal, we're moving on.
We don't want you. And that's how they're approaching prospects,
players that are already in the in the college ranks
that are going into the portal. So if they're doing
it to players, I'm certain they're doing it the coaches too.
(34:31):
They're doing it to anybody who's in their ecosystem who
they're trying to bring in with them to where they
where it is that they're going, because that becomes a
buildout process. You have to build and rebuild what it
is that you're coming in to replace.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
It's reality.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
So the coach, you got it as a coach, cool,
But players and prospects are getting treated that way as well,
and maybe that's something that should be looked into as well.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I don't know, Now, how do you you do you
have intel on that?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Do you have that's it? Factual? I know that, which
means no.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
I'm not and I'm not saying that hasn't gone on
the entire you know, all the time. I mean like
there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff that
goes under the radar because it's too hard to regulate.
I mean, I mean even looking at the the legal
tampering period from the NFL, and then all of a sudden,
not twelve oh one, you have deals that are struck
with the biggest free agents in the NFL. That happens
(35:29):
every year, and so like you had to create a
three day window and call it legal tampering, which doesn't
even make any sense, you know, just start it free
agency then. But the problem is everyone would sit there
and they would cheat that that deadline or cheat that
you know, starting point. So I mean, I'm not naive
to think this stuff doesn't happen all the time. There's
(35:49):
not dirty stuff that does happen. And that's not so
much what I would sit there and say needs to
be cleaned up. I think what needs to be cleaned
up is when these players are choosing to go to
their school, whether out of high school or in college
in the transfer portal. If you push all of that
past the season, it allows institutions or universities the opportunity
(36:14):
to make sound decisions on who they're hiring and firing
and why, and then allow them to have the opportunity
to build their roster because you're not only putting the
coaches in a tough spot, you're putting these players in
a tough spot. You know, now that all these teams
have a head coach that has been hired, they will
have what fifteen days where the head coach is there,
(36:36):
and then a five day window will open up where
these players can choose to leave before the transfer portal
window opens up in January. I mean they can leave
if you're at Arkansas, Florida, LSU, UCLA, Michigan State, any
of these schools that are just now hiring their head coaches.
Once he's there, there's a two week process. You get
(36:59):
to know thea see what the plan is, You talk
to them, see what their plans are for you, and
then you have a five day win to open that
you can leave. And so that's that's the weird part
about all of this is like it just doesn't match up,
doesn't make any sense. You could find a softer spot
in the academic calendar and of the year to allow
us to happen, probably in the springtime. And that's what
I've always advocated for.
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Speaker 6 (38:35):
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Speaker 5 (38:38):
Hey, listen, just we big Christmas decorating. You know, we
got all that knocked out, got the tree, got everything
taken care of. We are up and running, and we
have lit the neighborhood on fire, so figuratively, not literally,
but yeah we are. It's pretty much what the exciting
weekend was for us, you know, just awesome work in
(38:59):
Christmas decorations.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
How about you, guys.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
So I went to the restroom, I got one. I
got one. I went to a restroom and I used
the what is.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It again, what y'all say, because I always mispronounced it
that the water, Yeah, to use that right, and I
used it like excessively. So then I get onto the
sideline at the Rutgers game and piscataway and I start
jumping around and dancing with my kid on the sideline
and in the yeah, and I had an accident and
(39:30):
so I had to run to the restroom and handle that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Now it was.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
All like, you know different, you know, like it wasn't
like any hard stuff or anything like that. But I
did have to go commando the rest of the way
in a very very cold game.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
So there you go because of the man, don't judge me.
I'm being transparent here.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Did you work it out? You work it out while pants.
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Speaker 5 (40:26):
Wait to perry the lead bar cracked on the side yourself.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well, it wasn't. It wasn't a legit crapping though. It
was not. It was just more of a like, I
don't know, like the remnants us. Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I was loose, My belly was loose, and I did
not know it was loose. That that was And then
I started jumping around.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
How do you know it wasn't just moisture that was
like still up there. You know, you didn't try it off.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, I wiped, I was dry, just you know,
just it was beyond the parameters of what I was
going to mess with.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So yeah, but it got up out of there and
I was good afterwards.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I enjoyed the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, hey, you realize how much you hear this on
game day?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I hear this song after every touchdown, before every kickoff.
Dope song man, Yeah, yeah, whether you don't, whether you
like it or not.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Song?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Why you swept me var because I know we're you
were going next? Your hate is real?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Where was I going next?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Cuz say what she was going to say next? Got?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I mean got where any of those teams?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Good? There you go?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
There you go?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So you're implying because they listening to a song that
isn't any good, they can't be any They can't be
any good.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, rubs off on them. There you go, got to
be what it is.
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Speaker 4 (01:53):
Can I see you guys? This about the Lane Kiffen stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, free Do you have a problem with his decision
because I don't have any issue with it whatsoever. I
don't blame the guy for making the move. I just
it's the whole I wish he were just a little
bit more upfront about it because the idea of like,
you know, I'm listening, I mean, this is really difficult,
(02:19):
and I was, I was praying on it, and I
was doing all the It's like, but what does it matter.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Okay, like he offered that to you, but what is it?
What does it really matter?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You already know that if there's if there's other schools
coming after the prospect, what does it matter.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Well, so when he gets upset at you know, the
podcast or whoever it was that said you know, you
can't turn a hoe into a housewife, and he gets
upset about it, he confronts the guy.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's like, okay, it's like.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Dude, Lane Kiffins literally made a career out of trolling
people at every job. Like that's what he does. He's
he's done it throughout the course of it. So if
people start to ask questions like hey man, you know
you do kind of get around a lot, he does.
Like all all of that is fair, and whether you
want to go back to he got to Tennessee and
(03:07):
he clowned Urban Meyern, Florida when he got to Tennessee
and is an introductory press conference, and then what happened
He bailed for them when he went to USC and
then he trolled Tennessee fans afterwards.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Like all of that. He's done it at every single.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One and one while he was doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Not ever, well, he's had a winning record everywhere he's gone.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Right, you just stay out of California, it'd be fun. Okay,
you know usc you know the Raiders. Don't call me
no Hodo, like, don't call me the Hodo. You see
them Jans, them Jens bugable of jeans, you know what
I mean, Like listen, hell no, you know them, Polo.
Don't call me a hoe, like, don't call me out
my name like you can. You can say some things
(03:48):
about me. You could talk.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Crazy about what you think I do or I don't
stay at schools. But you know, if I want to
address you calling me a hoe and I can't.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Be a housewife. First of all, you call him a
woman and I'm a man.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
That's first. That's the first and foremost. And I know,
like that's more what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Context. No one knows what you're talking about right.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Now except your daddy reference well you know, because okay,
so for people who didn't see And there was a
reporter who basically, you know, used rap lyrics.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
From was a ludicris who said it, Hell no, He
basically said you can't make a housewife out of a hoe.
And he was making that in reference to Lane Kiffin
Lane Kiffin addressed him after the Egg Bowl where Old
Miss beat down on Mississippi State directly to his face,
and you know, look the reporters trying to stand by it.
(04:44):
He followed up with it in the press conference. He's
followed up since then. He's trying to say that he
didn't call Lane Kiff and a hoe. But in reality,
like if you mentioned a saying that involves the word
ho and in that sense, you're kind of alluding to that,
he is that, and you're kind of calling so he's
what it is these words, you wrote it, you said it,
you have to you know, live by that.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Which, by the way, his security detail was about to
make him eat those words in real life. Like one
thing I love it about, yes, But you know what
though it was pretty I thought the way Lane turned
around and went back towards him and his security detail
turned around with him. I thought that was pretty cool.
(05:25):
They was about to mug mug that man. But but anyway,
he's not. He's not a hole.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
He's he does what anyone in our country that understands
what the American dream represents.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You, that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You ultimately work your ass off some people are comfortable
working their ass off and being right where they're at,
never progressing, never going anywhere else, just being where they are.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And that's fine, that's your.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Choice, because that's also a part of the American dream,
is to be able to do it how you want
to do it. But but with that being said, you
are ultimately working your ass off to get more, to
accomplish more, to do more.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I don't feel like anybody should.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The only people that should be offended by or have
a problem with it are Old Miss people. And that's
because you've had a guy that has turned your program
into a winning program. So there's no but outside of that.
Outside of that, nobody has any right to be upset
at laying Kiffen for making a jump to what he
(06:33):
felt was a better situation for him. I don't see
what the outrage of it is. I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Here's the outrage. Let me summarize this college football, This
world that the players and coaches are living in is
not a world that the fans are familiar with. Because
the Old Miss fans are outraged, right, they don't understand it.
And so when you sit there and say to them, look,
(07:00):
the truth of everything that's going on, and this is
for coaches and players. There's no loyalty. These players aren't
going to schools in most cases to sit there and
say I'm going to play football and get my education.
They're all getting paid, folks. This is a professional sport now,
(07:21):
and you've got you used to at least have the
past three four years. Kids who could leave twice a
year and they'd leverage that, their agent would leverage that,
or whoever is managing them. They'd be going to the
coach saying, if I'm gonna stay, I need a race
right now. We talked about Michigan earlier and where they
(07:44):
need to get to in order to compete back again
with the highest state, that roster's going to look different.
You want to why, because I'm hearing that there's some
players who want to raise and that maybe Michigan has money,
but they'll see if they do, and there's some back
and forth going on. These are all the things you
hear when you go up there and you're, you know,
part of a big game.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Like that said by the way.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Wild, because that's what it is.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
It's professional sports. It's no different than fans not understanding
that you know, the the game Ohio State Michigan doesn't
mean what it used to to the players and coaches
now they'll never admit that, But the reality is, if
the ultimate goal was to win a national championship, and
(08:28):
that game isn't as detrimental to you winning a national championship,
it doesn't mean as much. Twenty years ago, that game
meant you were probably not playing for a national championship
if you didn't win it. You weren't winning the Big
Ten if you didn't win it. That's what that game meant.
It doesn't mean that anymore. We just saw an example
(08:49):
of that in last year with Ohio State. Now does
that mean any less to the fans for either Ohio
State or Michigan. Of course not, because they have to
live with the results. They're not getting paid. They're not
the ones that are worried about, you know, where they're
gonna be going next, or how they can keep climbing
like you're talking about LeVar. So the truth of the
matter is the entire college football world has changed into
(09:12):
a professional sport, and just like everyone else in a
capitalist society, you do the same damn thing. If someone
offered you one hundred million dollar contract or if they
thought they could offer you not only more money, but
more money than the opportunity to go win a national championship,
which is the pinnacle of this sport. Right, So you
(09:32):
do the same damn thing anyone out there listening who says, no,
I'd be loyal, No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't.
And let me just say this, on top of that,
this all is getting thrown on Lane Kiffen for his
maturity or lack thereof, and what he is as a person, etc.
You know, if the college football calendar wasn't set up
(09:55):
the way it is, where you have an early signing
period coming up Wednesday, and you've got a transfer portal
window that opens up while the playoffs are still going on.
If this window wasn't constructed the way it is, we
wouldn't be having this issue. But the problem with college
football it's not the coaches who are trying to do
(10:18):
everything they can to go make as much money or
win a national championship. It's surely not the players who
are finally able to capitalize off their name, image and
likeness and they're making money and they're trying to go
win a national championship and trying to get to the
next level to play in the NFL. It's not on them.
This is all of the adults that chose to do
nothing for the last two plus decades as they watched
(10:40):
this sport continually turn into a professional sport. But they
were greedy enough to try to hold on with a
death grip on this thing like they wanted to keep
an amateur so they could keep all the money to them.
Talk to so the NCAA, every president of every university
and athletic director and conference commissioner who kept trying to
hold on to this thing instead of adapting with where
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it was all going. So that's why we are where
we are. And no one cared enough to think, maybe
we should change the college football calendar, maybe we should
make this more like the NFL. Oh, but we don't
want to do that because that's a professional sport. That's
what it is. That's what college football is now, and
we keep acting like we're not gonna We don't need
to turn it into that. That's what it is. We
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are paying these players, we're paying the coaches. It's all
about money. That's what it's become. So adapt this thing
into what it needs to so we don't have this
conflict in the future. The NFL doesn't allow their coaches
who are still coaching be hired before a certain period
of time. No one was getting on Kyle Shanahan when
everyone knew was the worst kept secret in the world
he was gonna be the next head coach in the
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San Francisco forty nine ers. When he's playing in a
Super Bowl against the New England Patriots, all you ever
heard about that was, well, he should have ran the
football more or neiled it every time in the fourth quarter,
and they would have beaten the Patriots instead of losing
out and blowing the biggest lead at twenty eight to three.
No one talks about what was Maybe it was distracted
with the head coaching job at San Francisco. No one
talks about that. They have mechanisms put in place. This
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isn't that difficult to figure out. The problem is all
the adults who are surrounding this, who are in power positions,
They're not acting like adults. They're just holding on to
what's there, as like a child at a playdate when
they don't want to share their toys. That's what this
has become. And so what we do is we sit
there and we blame Lane Kiffin, or we blame some
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of these young men who have different adults around them
who are agents or advisors or parents or managers, and
they're all tell them trying to get go, get as
much money as you can while you can, because there's
no guarantees in this sport past these.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's correct, it's the biggest point, no guarantees. Get it
while you can.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You mentioned the coaching hiring process in the NFL. You
guys remember twice we've been on location at the Super
Bowl when the last team to hire a head coach.
Coach was the host city Arizona, New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And why was that?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Because Jonathan Gannon was in a Super Bowl and Kellen
Moore was in a super Bowl and everybody knew what
was going. Like, do you think it's just a coincidence
these are the last two? Like this place is the
last place to find the head coach. No, because that
guy's still getting ready for a Super Bowl. So yeah,
it's the whole, the whole process of it, the whole
you know, treated as it as it's amateurism, But you've
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got guys making million plus dollars a year, you know
it Just yeah, I think people really are holding on
to that antiquated thought of college football being you know,
this sacred call, and it's just no longer that anymore
man like. So that's why when you say they made
the comment earlier, like you've got players at Michigan who
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want to raise if you would have said that ten
to fifteen years ago, we're talking about sanctions, we're talking
about all this stuff, and now that's just the reality
of the situation and people need to adapt or die.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
But what let me let me also let me also,
I don't want to make it exclusive to Michigan. That's everywhere.
There's a lot of teams, a lot of players who
have the agents or players walking in who want more money. Okay,
so that's not exclusive to Michigan. I'm just you know,
using that as an example because we're just up there,
and obviously you hear a lot when you're on some
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of these campuses and people like to tell you everything.
So it's just but but I think you can understand,
like I'm kind of with you. Where Look, did Lane
try to coach this thing out and basically have his
cake and eat it too? Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
He did.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
And and and here's the other thing I'll say to
that is why not try? I mean, LaVar, you are
the king of If I'm gonna have my cake, I'm
gonna eat it too.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Why not have It's the dumbest saying in the world.
If you don't, why would I have a cake? And
I'm not going to eat it? Like have your cake
and eat it too, Like you don't get it? You
got that right, You got that right. And let me
say this. Let me say this. I asked y'au the
other day and y'all said, well, you know it's the
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players that a die like should should ole miss be
judge based off of if Lane Kiffin isn't coaching and
I feel like they have to be And and and
here's the reason why.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Just like we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Negotiating, I need a pay raise or I'm not playing
in the bowl game, or I'm not playing a playoff,
Or'm gonna go somewhere else. But if you look at
the coaches situation, just follow the money. You ain't seeing nobody.
You're not seeing any players getting offered twelve million a year,
you know what I mean? Like, nobody's getting paid nobody's
getting paid that that's playing on the field. But yet
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in the league, you're not going to ever see a
coach make more than the marquee player.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So it's kind of like, to me, the value is
in the.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Coach at the college level, and if you lose as
a coach to the portal, if you lose the coach
to nil, then it seems to me that you've lost it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Like Ole Miss right now to day does not have it.
They don't.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Well, they elevated Pete Golding, which we'll get into, their
defensive coordinators, their permanent head coach. But let me just
give you an example of why. Like Old Miss fans,
and they can get upset with me saying this and
the whole entire situation, they can get upset about it.
But do people know the name John Summral because he
just got hired as the head coach of Florida and
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you know where he's coaching right now, Tulane, And he's
going to be allowed to coach Tulane through the rest
of the season. And if indeed they get a college
football playoff bid, which I believe they're up for that
and depending on how things go this weekend, they could
be that group of six team that gets in playing
in the College Football Playoff. So Tulane and they're athletic
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director made the decision that even though John Summer will
be moving on to Florida, he's still able to coach
this team through the rest of this season. And but
Old Miss has not granted him that. So to sit
there and say, like, oh, what Lane was doing is
it's unheard of, it's unprecedented. Okay, well, he tried to
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do exactly what another coach is already doing, who may
very well be part of the College Football Playoff to
play for a national championship, who's already taken a job,
and again another competing SEC school there and both schools
are allowing him to do it. So you sit there
and you hear this, and you just go, okay, well,
who's the problem really sit with? And again I'm not
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trying to blame Old Miss fans for the heartache and
everything else that came along with it, because again, it's
no different than people who were saying this who are
Buckeyes fans like I'd rather be in Michigan than than
win a national championship. There are people who actually would
say that stupid, and look, it's just it's a it's
a part of where we are at now in college football,
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which is so far ahead of where a lot of
the fans still are. Where they have this emotional tie,
this tribal tie to their alma mater or to their
school that they root for and the community that they
live in and that school supports. So I completely understand
all sides of this, but like, can we stop just
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taking the easy way out and just blaming Lane. I mean,
everyone at this stage is trying to do the exact
same thing. They're trying to get it paid as much
as they possibly can and win at the highest level
they can. And if Nick Saban, who's a former head
coach at LSU, who won a national championship, who now
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covers college football and looks at all of these different
programs and recruited against and played against Old Miss, and
as Lane Kiffen who is at Old Miss and was
at Tennessee, so he's recruited against LSU, he's played against
sel USU at both those places, if you look at
it from that perspective, and both of them, both of
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them think LSU is a better opportunity to go win
a national championship. Any better job, then that's just the
facts because.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's probably out on a bowl game before in IL.
So it doesn't matter. Like when you move on, you
move on, you know what I mean? Like and listen
as tribal people of our universities maintain that fans, don't
you lose that tribal feeling. Don't you lose that sense
of family because that's what we build on. You're not
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supposed to be happy about somebody trading on us, or
leaving us or letting us down. That's what makes it
fun us against you. But when it comes down to
the business of it, you gotta like you gotta see
it for what it's worth. You brought in Lane Kiffin.
He was high profile when you brought him in. If
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you don't think he's going if he's having success at your.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
School, look at yourself. Look at yourself.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
If he's making your program better, and you brought him
here to make it better based off of knowing that
he made a program before you better, what do you
think is coming down the pipe? Kirk Signetti up for
other jobs? What did they do at Indiana? Matt ruhle
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up for other jobs? What did they do at Nebraska.
There's a couple other schools as well. What did they do?
They stepped up. It didn't have to end this way.
You didn't have to watch Lane Kiffin leave. Lane could
have finished the season. You didn't put it on the tape.
You didn't put it out, You didn't put it on
the line. If you came to me and told me
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LSU paid him, offered him less than what Ole Miss
was offering him, and yet he still took the job
out of LSU. It's a different conversation. It's a different conversation.
But when you get into the talk of this is
big dogging big bank takes a little bank, then.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Maintain your level of disappointment for him leaving old Miss
big bottom.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Bottom line is money talks. Bs runs marathons. And you
know what, if you run a marathon and you get
to the end of it, you might be hungry. And
when you're hungry, well you might want to put some
Louisian you know what I mean? And you know what
it's three simple ingredients onto your plate. Turns your Tuesday
or Monday or Thursday or Wednesday, whatever one you could
(21:33):
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what day it is, grab that original Louisiana hot sauce.
Add a little bit to your game, and every day
will be game day for you.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's Louisiana hot sauce. Make sure you bale you something.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Now, there was some reports out there that Lane was
trying to maybe threaten his coaching staff, those who you
know aren't on the plane. You're not coming with me, Like,
there was all sorts of stuff that was happening that
may be led to why Ole Miss was very hesitant
to let him, you know, continue coaching the team. Marty
Smith did ask Lane about those reports yesterday on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah are we sure?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
There was no I guess there's a narrative because I
didn't talk to the players about that, that someone pumped
a narrative in them that there was an ultimatum to
coaches or something like that they had to go.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That there was nothing.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Every coach has their own decision to make and I
would never give them ultimatums like that, and so you know,
those are all their own individual decisions.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
It's pretty fascinating. Here's the only thing I'll say in
admitt Is. I talked to Lane Friday night. You know,
we talked about it on the set. I don't know
how comfortable Matt felt about it, but we'd FaceTime him.
He was with and this is after the egg Bowl obviously,
you know when he was with Charlie Weist, Junior was
a Trinidad Chelmless his quarterback, and we kind of had
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some conversation about it. He's pretty upfront. I mean, he's
pretty pretty much an open book, and I don't think
any of those players weren't prepared for what his potential
decision was going to be. And I think on the
way into Old Miss, all those players who come from
the transfer portal and he's noted as the transfer portal
king know exactly what they're signing up for as a
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guy who wants them to win, and he's going to
pay them as much as he can in order to
be there to go win football games. But if it
doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. It's a business decision.
I think he's very upfront about it. This does lead
to though, to this, there's a thought that Old Miss,
as a one last team is going to get dinged
for Lane Kiff and not being there. I don't see
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that being the case by the College Fotball Playoff committee.
I think they're going to honor what these players have
done and they'll be in the playoff. Pete Golding has
now taken over as their head coach. Instead of making
him an interim head coach, Keith Carter, the athletic director,
has made him the permanent head coach. So good for
Pete Golding, who I think I think has been able
to take advantage of this situation and a a athletic
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director and program that's desperate, because that's what this breeds
is desperation. I'm not saying Pete Golden is not gonna
be a good head coach or you know, isn't a
good defensive mind. But their defense hasn't been that good
under Lane Kiffin while old Miss and I'm also not
ignorant enough to think that. Look, when you run a
high powered offense, you know, is your defense going to
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face more snaps? Sure? Are they going to struggle at
times to you know, versus those extra ten to fifteen
plays they play a game, So they'll they'll brankings won't
be as high. Sure there's some there's some logic to that,
but this team has never been a great defensive team,
and so instead of doing a more solidified search, as
the dominoes continue to fall, I mean Pat Fitzgerald probably
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coming back to coaching coaching at Michigan State, which would
be a great fit, great hire. You know, we just
talked about John Summer, all Ryan Silverfield, Like we can
go down the list of guys now who Soulfield left
Memphis to be the head coach at Arkansas. The dominoes
are falling fast, Bob Chesney, Now UCLA, I mean things
are moving and because they know they have to get
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these this classes in before this early signing period and
then also be before the transfer portal window in January,
the reality is they should have looked at trying to
do more of a search, or at least while all
this was going on for weeks this college football season,
had someone in mind no different than Lane Kiffen having
LSU and Florida in mind when they started requesting. And
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it sounds dirty, well because it kind of is. And
that's more of a byproduct of the college football calendar
than is anything else. It's not on Lane, It's not
on the athletic director at Old Miss or anyone else involved.
It's the pressure that's put on them because the time
frame that we want to try to make these coaching
fires and hires and the entire process because of the calendar.
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And at some point someone's got to change that.
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on the subject of Michigan Ohio state. Because we talked
about how dominant Ohio state was. We made mention to
the fact that Sharon Moore. You know, maybe the clock
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starts to tick on how long he'll be there based
on what the results are. I mean, he's ten games
over five hundred. They won last year at Ohio State,
they lost this year. If say they struggle again next
year and they're about a five hundred team, which would
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be a big step down from what he's done thus
far at Michigan, but they do beat Ohio State. Is
there any conversation about him losing his job afterwards? What
if Sharon Moore has a five hundred times but he
beats Ohio State. That would put to the test the
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if you win that game, that's the one they care
about the most, because I can't imagine they would move
on from Sharon Moore.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
If they should just see a world where they're gonna
be He's gonna be five hundred, like their team is
super young and be super talented next year they had
like six freshmens starting just on offense, then I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But why the conversation theory?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
In theory, his job should be on the line. But again,
that kind of just dovetails off of the conversation that
we were just having. Right, you could very easily be
Elaine Kiffin and you tailed off and nobody has anything
to say about you. You could be a Sharon Moore
who helped lead a team into US against the World
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season where Michigan wins the national title and he becomes
the head coach. Now, if Sharon Moore leaves and goes
and becomes a head coach somewhere else versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
People will be upset.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But he ends up being the next head coach and
everything's okay. But if he has a bad season, then
now you're looking at it like, well, he's got to go.
Who's the next big thing to bring into Michigan to
make sure Michigan football can compete against Ohio State. His
job would be on the line if if he had
a bad season, that still beat Ohio State and it.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Should be Yeah. So I think, I just I think
the similarity to the situation is more of from the
Pete Golding side, you know Pete Golding because the timing
of Lane's departure in the university not allowing him to
keep coaching into the College Football Playoff like Tilne is
for example, John summerle It more lends itself to how
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Sharon got the job as well. Right when Harbaugh decided
to move on and go into the NFL, there as
speculations about, you know, sanctions or punishment from the NCAA,
and you know, Sharon was okay with staying on for that.
There hasn't really been anything significant thus far that's impacted him.
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But you know, the last two years have been a
departure from what this program was, which was a program
that got the two college football playoffs. Harder to do
to when you're talking about it being four teams won
a national championship, regardless of the Connor Stallion stuff and
everything else that people want to use as an excuse,
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But it doesn't feel like they're getting closer to that.
Even though this was a better season this year than
last year, there was a few of those tight games.
I mean Northwestern, we're there for in Wrigley that could
have gone either way and they were lucky to have
won that game. And there was a few games you
kind of felt like that this season for Michigan. So
when you really look at it, you know, I think
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if he doesn't have a certain amount of success, even
if he beat Michigan or he beat Ohio State, I
do think there's some concern there. I wouldn't be shocked
if there wasn't some change on his coaching staff this
offseason based on how this season went, how much money
has been invested into some some of the players in
this roster, and what the expectations are in Michigan, because
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the reality is it's it's been a couple of years.
Now you're not a playoff team again. And you know,
you know, he kind of was that coach that because
of the timing have went hardball. Lef left was in
the right place at the right time. Pete Golding right place,
right time. And by the way, you go back to
like the whole ultimatum and whether or not Lane Kiffin
said to them, like, look, get on the plane. You've
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got a job at Old Miss, but if you don't,
I have to move on. Even if that was the conversation,
it wasn't an ultimatum, but he kind of laid it
out for them. It's understandable. I mean, Pete Golden's got
to move on for a team that's not playing this
weekend but will be in the playoff, and Lane's got
to move on to a team that he's now recruiting for.
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With the signing period coming up, the transfer portal coming up,
They're trying to get all those things in place. I
think the greater question right now, and revolving around Old Miss,
is who the hell's calling plays? I mean that entire
offensive staff went with Lane. And is that something that
the College Football Playoff Committee is going to look into
and be concerned by?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I hope not.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
They should be, I hope not, But like it is
going to be an issue even though you've got a
one lost team that's got the me to get in,
who are you leaning on?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That goes back to me bringing that up last week.
But and listen, coaches do that to prospects and players too,
by the way, and I know that for fact. You
mean one hundred fact. Coaches do that to the players
and prospects. Here's where I'm going.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I'm telling you I want you to come here. But
if you're not all in right now, I'm moving on.
If you if you go into the portal and you
get and I know what you're gonna say to you,
You're gonna come back and you're gonna be like it's tampering.
I'm just telling you what I know. In this situation.
Coaches do what the players too. They'll sit there and
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tell you, if you hit the transfer portal and you
and you do the recruiting process, we're moving on. We're
gonna go because we don't have the time to sit
here and wait on you to decide if you want
to come play here. I got a roster to fill up.
So if you hit that portal, because I'm letting you know,
we want you. But if you hit that portal and
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you don't, if you don't commit to us, like right away,
among like in your entry into the portal, we're moving on.
We don't want you. And that's how they're approaching prospects,
players that are already in the in the college ranks
that are going into the portal. So if they're doing
it to players, I'm certain they're doing it the coaches too.
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They're doing it to anybody who's in their ecosystem who
they're trying to bring in with them to where they
where it is that they're going, because that becomes a
buildout process. You have to build and rebuild what it
is that you're coming in to replace.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
It's reality.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
So the coach, you got it as a coach, cool,
But players and prospects are getting treated that way as well,
and maybe that's something that should be looked into as well.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I don't know, Now, how do you you do you
have intel on that?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Do you have that's it? Factual? I know that, which
means no.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
I'm not and I'm not saying that hasn't gone on
the entire you know, all the time. I mean like
there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff that
goes under the radar because it's too hard to regulate.
I mean, I mean even looking at the the legal
tampering period from the NFL, and then all of a sudden,
not twelve oh one, you have deals that are struck
with the biggest free agents in the NFL. That happens
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every year, and so like you had to create a
three day window and call it legal tampering, which doesn't
even make any sense, you know, just start it free
agency then. But the problem is everyone would sit there
and they would cheat that that deadline or cheat that
you know, starting point. So I mean, I'm not naive
to think this stuff doesn't happen all the time. There's
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not dirty stuff that does happen. And that's not so
much what I would sit there and say needs to
be cleaned up. I think what needs to be cleaned
up is when these players are choosing to go to
their school, whether out of high school or in college
in the transfer portal. If you push all of that
past the season, it allows institutions or universities the opportunity
(36:14):
to make sound decisions on who they're hiring and firing
and why, and then allow them to have the opportunity
to build their roster because you're not only putting the
coaches in a tough spot, you're putting these players in
a tough spot. You know, now that all these teams
have a head coach that has been hired, they will
have what fifteen days where the head coach is there,
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and then a five day window will open up where
these players can choose to leave before the transfer portal
window opens up in January. I mean they can leave
if you're at Arkansas, Florida, LSU, UCLA, Michigan State, any
of these schools that are just now hiring their head coaches.
Once he's there, there's a two week process. You get
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to know thea see what the plan is, You talk
to them, see what their plans are for you, and
then you have a five day win to open that
you can leave. And so that's that's the weird part
about all of this is like it just doesn't match up,
doesn't make any sense. You could find a softer spot
in the academic calendar and of the year to allow
us to happen, probably in the springtime. And that's what
I've always advocated for.
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After your sports week after happens.
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All right, who's got it?
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got for us? Guys?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Hey, listen, just we big Christmas decorating. You know, we
got all that knocked out, got the tree, got everything
taken care of. We are up and running, and we
have lit the neighborhood on fire, so figuratively, not literally,
but yeah we are. It's pretty much what the exciting
weekend was for us, you know, just awesome work in
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Christmas decorations.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
How about you, guys.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
So I went to the restroom, I got one. I
got one. I went to a restroom and I used
the what is.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It again, what y'all say, because I always mispronounced it
that the water, Yeah, to use that right, and I
used it like excessively. So then I get onto the
sideline at the Rutgers game and piscataway and I start
jumping around and dancing with my kid on the sideline
and in the yeah, and I had an accident and
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so I had to run to the restroom and handle that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Now it was.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
All like, you know different, you know, like it wasn't
like any hard stuff or anything like that. But I
did have to go commando the rest of the way
in a very very cold game.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
So there you go because of the man, don't judge me.
I'm being transparent here.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Did you work it out? You work it out while pants.
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Speaker 5 (40:26):
Wait to perry the lead bar cracked on the side yourself.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well, it wasn't. It wasn't a legit crapping though. It
was not. It was just more of a like, I
don't know, like the remnants us. Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I was loose, My belly was loose, and I did
not know it was loose. That that was And then
I started jumping around.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
How do you know it wasn't just moisture that was
like still up there. You know, you didn't try it off.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, I wiped, I was dry, just you know,
just it was beyond the parameters of what I was
going to mess with.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So yeah, but it got up out of there and
I was good afterwards.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I enjoyed the game.
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