January 8, 2026 • 43 mins
In Hour 2, the guys respond to the Demond Williams situation relating to him signing with Washington and then immediately heading into the transfer portal days later. Plus, the guys name our Express Pros Pro Of The Week, and more!!
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guys have an idea what your next song is going
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to be? Have you narrowed it down? I got like
two or three that I'm working on all.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Of Yeah, yeah, bet I might have something for the
next hour.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh yeah, Why can we do it as a.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Team because you take too long? You're like that girl
who takes forever getting ready. That is fair, and you're like, yeah,
I'll just I'll be in the car an hour later
you finally walk out. You are that person.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
I just the problem for me is I have to
get it done during the show or it's not going
to get done.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
What do you mean, by the way, LaVar, haven't we
been placed with Jonas before where he's like always last
to come downstairs to leave.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Oh, we're always waiting on Jonas because he's the star.
Hold on a second, Hold on.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Wait, Brady is telling me that I'm the last to arrive.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You're telling me no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
When we're all leaving to go someplace in the mornings. Now,
I'm usually working out, so I'll push it to get there.
But I'm always there on time.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I will say, Jonas is hitting you with some truth though,
because for the show, like our running deal is, which
is funny because by the last day, it's like he's
clearly going to come walking in literally, like it's going
to be like, yeah, literally a minute togo like literally,
(02:35):
But but.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Jonas does that every day here. It's the wild which
is interesting.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah, I sit in my car and be chilling, like
just chilling, and I'll be like looking at my clock
and I'd be like, he gets in here, literally fifty three,
fifty four, fifty five, sometimes even fifty six.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Every day. It's the wildest thing every day, Jay, the
wildest thing. Bro. Just sitting there like, bro, like you
cut it. Y'all cut it so close. Y'all cut it
so close. But hey, that's y'all'll doing. Can verify, Yeah,
they cut it close. Man, I'll be chilling. Though. You
want to know who ain't last? Me? I ain't never
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going to be last.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So why would you back to the original question, why
would you need to get your show your song selection
done during the show or.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know why I told you yesterday? You know why?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Oh, because I'm well, because I'm out of here like
I'm onto it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Like my life has has time slots.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So so when I get up out of a time
three to five fifty five, we got you?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, like one one am one, one thirty am two
three what what?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Uh? No? Six? What time are we done with this show?
Five fifty five? Oh yeah, five fifty fIF Yeah, this
is not true.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
You participate. You participate in the group text, which I'd
like you to open up your phone right now. Yeah,
not because there's there is a there's a tweet. I'd
love for you to read. We have a nice quote.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Here we go. All right, you don't want to read that, sure,
I don't care. I think we have the sound.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Actually it seeming real. I think, did Joe Judge really
say that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hey, Patty, we have that sound right, the Joe Judge sound.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's in sound you want to right now? I mean,
this is a real drop.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
This actually exist. I thought this was like parody.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I can't talk.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
I would say. Look, I said this was a neighbor.
I mean it's yeah, it was a next door neighbor. Yeah,
like if you watch those documentaries, my house is on
the TV in the next door. Yeah, the detectors knocked
on my door to find out where he was.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
I mean we just kind of talked to the organization, right,
But I mean I was obviously chaotic. But again, those
players that year handle that extremely well. You know, came
out of that chaos and we had some really good
direction inside with some veterans and different guys. And you
have something like that happen, it's you know, how do
you handle something like that? You know, how do you
deal with something like that? So you know, you keep
the folks on what you can handle, what you can control,
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which is at that time was football for us, and
then went through the stretch and we're able to have
success that he was twenty fourteen. We end the season
here as well.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Aaron Hernandez being his neighbor, was the comp to lame
kiff and leaving.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I mean both are chaotic, right all right, but one
is clearly a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Anybody in the face, Well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I mean one of those what you do when they
bring in the person that does the pr training.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Just for those who don't.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Know, you might want to stay from that.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Every team brings in a nice man or woman who
comes in and they help give you directives as to
what to avoid saying anything controversial, anything that speaks for
the entirety of the team. You know, just speak for
yourself if you're to say something, and try not to
speculate all these different little tactics they.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Stay positive, don't say negative stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
This would fall into the category of away from that one,
like it would be in the highlight reel of things.
You don't want to venture down that path and make
comparisons to in fact, not like not making comparisons.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's probably another one.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Yeah, well, I thought it was pretty extreme, but I
guess he got his point across. I mean, if you're
saying that this is you've dealt with chaos before and
that you can block out the chaos and get results,
I guess you gave one of the most extreme examples
that you could give. So drove his point home.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That's for certain. I understood where he was coming from.
It definitely did. Well, there you go, and I won't
go any.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Further with it because why because there's this lady or
a person that they bring in and they tell you these.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Are the topics that you get hit like, these.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Are the things, you know, advice to things to stay
away from Like, Okay, you could discuss this, but maybe
you shouldn't discuss that. You know, definitely should stay away
from these things. So I'm just not going not going
to go any further with that, so A. But they
keep making documentaries about it though, so they like his
house is in a lot of different so we needed
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documentaries there.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You need another one of those, right, Uh, well with that,
pie's one more, you know. With that being said, there
was also the subject of Mario Crystabal. We mentioned the
game preview. For those of you wanted the Quinns win
on that, go back and listen to the podcast. That's
where you can find that if you want to make
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some money on this game. But Ole Miss and Miami
are there, and so Mario Cristobal was asked about, you know,
maybe some some info that might be passed along during
the portal process of college football and what like this.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
It's a weird, wild time when you have a transfer
portal open and while you're trying to prepare to compete
for a national championship, did you guys have any concerns
about say, outgoing players from your program maybe rival programs
are in the semi finals or elsewhere, reaching out to them,
trying to get even intel on your own programs as
you try to win a national championship.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Well, I think it happens all the time, and if
we don't think it is happening, then we're kidding ourselves.
But quite honestly, I don't blame the players. I blame
the adults. We created the system, right, We're supposed to
be setting the example. Right, We're supposed to be setting
the standard as it relates to everything.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So when you create a system that.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
Has as many holes as it does, well, then you know,
shame on you if you're surprised by some of the
results that come with it.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
So it's a sensible response. Yeah, that's the portal, your guys.
Is portal, very sensible.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It's it's gotten a lot of flack of late.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I guess do we just want to talk about this now?
The Demand Williams.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Situation, Well, it lends to like some of what's happening,
and it's odd that all these things happen to be
connected to Lane Kiffin. It's like he seems to be
at the center of all of this. But for those
who don't know, Demon Williams quarterback at the University of
Washington really talented player. He signed an agreement to go
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back to you dub this upcoming season. However, after signing
the agreement, he went into the transfer portals trying to
go into the transfer portal. Supposedly, because he signed this
what it was deemed to be a binding agreement with
the university, the University of Washington will not put him
into the portal. However, it's become public that he has
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a desire to go into the portal. Now, what makes
matters even crazier is the head coach Jed Fish has
the same exact agent as.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Demon Williams does.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
That is interesting.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
You know what I find interesting as this is all
unfolding with looking at the competitive nature of what the
portal represents to the elites. The non elites are the
ones that get lost in all of this. And I
think that listening to coach Christovall, what he had to
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say is so relevant because while we will sit here
and talk about the elite QBS or the elite player,
that these these you know schools want and are after
and are willing to pay all of these dollars for
that transfer portal is also a place where castaways are
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ending up and people aren't really talking about that. Guys
are ending up in the portal not because they want
it to be in the portal, because they're being basically cut.
They're being cut from their team. We don't want you anymore,
you know. And I started thinking to myself, it's like, man,
I was thinking a GM being hired. Now it's like, okay,
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you got to manage the money and this, that and
the other and blase blah, like, oh I get it,
and you know, recruitment this. Then they are now cutting players.
You didn't cut players back in the day you came in,
if you came in on scholarship, Like yeah, they'll threaten you,
I will send you out of here. Maybe they'll give
you a lot of you know, punishment trainings and force
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you to quit or different things like that.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
There were different.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Tactics to get a guy to leave the team, but
you weren't. You didn't hear guys getting cut. These young
men are getting let go from their team like basically
telling them, Okay, you are making this, you're not going
to make That's their way of saying, get out, you're
not making this next year, You're not going to make
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this amount of money, you're going to take a pay
cut or this we want to go in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You're going to be like the third.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
String during fifth string quarterback on its team, or receiver,
whatever it may be. And these kids are and this
isn't being talked about, but they're being actually placed in
a position where what's being said to them is equating
to them having to go into the portal. They have
to go into the portal.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know somebody who was told specifically, I'd get in
the portal if I were you correct.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
It's just I mean, I don't feel like that's kind
of a saying commentary.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Man, it is.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
And I think there's a lot of different ways you
can talk about this, and I think there's two sides
to all this. So as much as it's unfortunate for
those kids, and I remember I talked about this with
Parker Livingston, the wide receiver at Texas.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, he had a really good season this year.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
He actually I remember seeing in Week one at Ohio
State catching some some big time passes for them. As
a freshman, he was their third lending receiver and he
felt like he had to put his name in the
portal because of what the.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Coaches had said to him.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I mean, again, this is a guy who was their
third leading receiver in yards and receptions, second in touchdown receptions.
Like he stepped up in a big way. He was
the roommate arch manning, and they're bringing other guys. So
it's incredibly unfortunate. However, some people would say, though, in
order for other guys to capitalize, like this is the
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system that we have, Like some of the top end
guys wouldn't be able to make as much as they
were able to make, or other players make as much
as they were able to make if not for the
ability to you know, leverage themselves put themselves in the portal,
et cetera. So this is the downside of it, right,
Like we hear, to your point, we only hear about
the upside of what guys are making and some of
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the star players and those things. We don't hear about
the guys that get pushed out or we seldom here about.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
That's okay, I thought you were go ahead, well, and
and what I was going to say is, I think
if we didn't have let's say we didn't have nil,
but we had the transfer portal, it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Would be the same exact thing.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
The difference would be just the scholarships, which I would say,
I'm obviously a little younger than you. So one of
the things like you kind of touched on there and
talking about, was I know guys who got there a
Notre dame, and it became very evident that the coaching
staff was going to do everything they could to make
that player's life tough so that they would probably quit
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or transfer. Ye whether it's like the early morning workouts
or even for like class scheduling, they weren't able to
get the class scheduling they really needed in order to get,
you know, their degree that they wanted slash for practice
everything else. Like their life was going to be someone
miserable and that was like one of those tactics. And
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so at least it's not hidden like now, at least
you know, some of these coaches at least their fourthright,
they're honest with them. They'll say, hey, man, I think
you need to get in the portal, like we're going
to go with someone else. I mean to me, this
whole entire scenario for young people, there's good and bad
to it. I think one of the good things that
comes from that is even if you have someone to
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tell you like, hey, you're not good enough or we
don't think you're good enough. It's a moment where you
can either take that and you could do what you
want with it. You can keep pursuing it, keep proving
them wrong, or you can you know, take that as like,
all right, maybe this isn't the path for me, Maybe
I need to go in a different direction. And someone's
trying to give me a hint that, like, this path
is only going to lead so far that I need.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
To start thinking about the future.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Because one of the things I think you find is
some of those people you're talking about, they exhaust all
efforts to basically take scholarships from either lower level guys
who are trying to come up or high school level
kids and opportunities, and they don't really have a future
in the sport, but they're exhausting all efforts to make
as much money as they can in it. And I
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can't fault them for that. But that is a cause
and effect of where we're at right now.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
The problem now, the issue I have with this, and
my major concern is that it's not based off of
development and education. It's my biggest It's the biggest problem
I have with this is because now it's like, okay,
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so now it's okay to change the narrative. For so long,
athletes have been judged for the idea of I'm focused
on being an athlete. Do you understand what type of
ridicule you exposed yourself to if you said I'm a
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football player, I want to play football. Do you understand
the type of scrutiny and the type of criticism that
would come your way if you said something as simple
as I just want to focus in on ball. Had
to be a student athlete, right, shamed, shamed to the umpteenth.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Power, and now and now.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
It's okay, Now it's okay to actually, oh wait, like
when do we mention education here?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Like that?
Speaker 6 (17:22):
The whole point of what was just made in terms
of maybe this is you know why it's a waste
of a scholarship because you're not going to help our
football team on Saturday, but you gave me a scholarship.
I would I didn't. First of all, somebody isn't just
given a scholarship. You have to earn it, like it's
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an investment. They have to invest this money in you
to come here, so something made them feel like you
should be here, and we're going to give you money
to be here. If you don't turn out to be
the player, which happens more often than anything else, you're
going to have more guys that aren't going to be
pro material than guys that are going to be pro
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material that play on your team. Let's be clear on
that point of it. So when you realize that you, oh,
I'm one of the many. I'm one of the many
that aren't going to make it to the next level,
you have to look at education still as the major
staple of what college football represents, even in the name, image,
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likeness era of time. And that is a very very
poor commentary. It's a very sad conclusion to come to
that it is not. And now you can no longer
deny the fact that's saying student athlete or they're not
employees of your university. You can no longer avoid the
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conversation of what this truly is. You are looking for
your workforce, wherever it is the portal or at the
high school level, you are seeking your workforce, and if
they prove out, you pay them, and you pay them more.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
If they don't, you move.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
On from them, and you're trying to find that next
person to plug that gap and make your team a
better team.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Leave it there.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Take the narrative away from these kids and acting as
though all they're about is the money. All they want
is the money. Oh, it's all about money. The kids,
the kids, the kids, the kids. What are you after, university?
What are you after? Coaching staff? What are you after?
Because I barely hear education anymore at all.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I barely hear it. I barely hear it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
There was a couple of days last week where jonas
that we're working and you weren't working. And one of
the things we talked about is no, well we haven't
talked about the college basketball portion of this, which is
that's been the most like evidence of the lack of
concern for education and development if you follow what's happening
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in college basketball right now, like you had a guy
who was drafted who's trying to come back and play
in college basketball after playing pro overseas, and look, and
after talking to some folks, I'll go as far as
even saying conference commissioners, I'd ask say what's your take
on this? And their take was, Hey, look, as long
as they didn't sign a contract, we believe that they
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should still be a liberty to come back and play
if that's the case, So.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
As long as they didn't sign.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Which I know they've moved the goalpost a bit with
some of that discussion and language around it. But it
feels like college basketball has always been one step ahead
of college football because of it's a one and done.
So I think when college basketball went away from, you know,
forcing players to either choose to go to pro out
a high school or choosing to be in school for
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at least a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Few years they went away.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
From that same model too, Like every sport that essentially
made it easier and faster to get to the professional level,
and basketball was the first to do so, they all
of a sudden through education out the window. I mean
John cala Perry's pitch when he was back at Kentucky
was well, they'll come back and get their degree. He
wasn't worried about it when they were there, just as
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long as they were eligible, which you know, those guys
were even probably stepping foot in the classroom if they
were was probably nothing too difficult during the time there. So,
like I look at it, and say like this framework
has been set for a while now with players who
have then had the opportunity in basketball to walk in
and walk out like that, and so now in football,
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I think the tough thing is we've enabled them to
be able to only make it or only you know,
prioritize money as opposed to development.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And by the way, look like anything else, it's like
a belt curve.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You've got your you know, ten percent on one side
that that's ultimately the only thing they care about. You
have the ten percent on the other that it doesn't
matter because they're not good enough or they don't even
have that opportunity, and the other eighty percent in between.
It's probably a blend. Does money matter, you know, most
for some of them, Yeah, but it's not everything. Does
money matter as much for others? But maybe it's about
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that coach they're going to play for. Maybe it's about
that education they're going to get in the degree. I
think it differs, and I think we tend to, you know,
get frustrated in all of this. But the truth of
the matter is, hopefully the adults in the room, the
parents and the advisors for some of these guys, they
do care enough to work with the school and say,
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you know, hey, we want to come back here and
finish or whatever the case is, whether they leave earlier,
whether they're transferring out there, there's some way of keeping
some goodwill and making sure that they come back and
have the opportunity to get a degree one day. Because
that's the scariest thing I think when I look at
these young people, I'm like, the gonna be leaving college
and yeah, they may not have any debt, and they
may have some you know, some money in.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
There in hand, and you have no flag, no nation,
no no network, no network, nothing to build anything off
of or even focus.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
No even no focus on education, correct, Unlike what do
I want to do outside of football?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, That's why I liked what Quinn Yours did
because Quinn Ewers, after his final year at Texas, there
was apparently an offer on the table, a deal for
him to go elsewhere, and he turned it down because
he's Texas was his dream and he didn't want to
He just didn't want to end his career playing for
somebody else, almost as you know, kind of a mercenary.
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And so he went into the draft. He got drafted
seventh round whatever. But it was almost like it felt
rare to hear somebody of that stature who could go
get a paycheck, who could go get a payday somewhere else,
who said, man.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I want to be loyal to the school.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I went to school for rehab education, a major in
sociology on my psychology.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I stayed in school.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
For obviously to I wanted to be like my mom
and help help kids beyond the game. I always was
my focus, even as a player, was to help help kids,
help help people in development. If if my only worth
and my only value was me playing the game, and
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you see this play out so often. I mean, I
could tell you a gazillion names of former players that
can they struggle with life.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
They can't.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
They cannot function in life. Turn the drugs, turn the alcohol.
They're abusive, not only to themselves, they're abusive to others.
They're just they're they're in poor condition because they subscribe
to just being a football player. And once the game
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was gone, they didn't know how to care for themselves.
They didn't know how to schedule for themselves, nothing, nothing,
because the skills that they needed to be able to
be productive in their lives was not there, and it
becomes apparent when you do not have the game anymore.
The focus and the purpose of college sports, of high
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school sports is supposed to prepare you to be an
adult beyond the sport, beyond the sport, just like everybody
else that goes to school and what's developing them and
teaching them to be prepared for life beyond school, and
that seems to be gone.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It seems to be gone.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
As it applies to athletics, especially high end net worth
value sports like football and basketball, it seems to not
be a focus anymore. To me, I think it's very
sad because for me, I went to school, I would
have never ended up in radio, never would have ended
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up in radio ever if it wasn't for a Penn
State or that was a program director. I was like, hey,
maybe you should come in and learn about what radio
is about. My network and my education and my community
is the reason why I'm even on the microphone right now.
And that's gone, Like that's gone. You're you're you're transferring,
(26:30):
You're you're a man with no flag, You're a man
with no nation, And that's a that's a very sad
commentary to have to play out and look at you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
All that success on the field, and here I was
ready to welcome me in with arms and say, you
know what, let's go get in the mud together. Come on,
let's go get dirty together. Let's do this thing, all
three of us, all on the same spot. It is
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for you right here on FSR.
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Two pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up about twelve minutes from now, we are going to
hand out an award on this show. This is a
tradition here on this show, not our midweek awards. Something
different that'll be yours right here on FSR. If we
were going to hand out an award for one of
the most dysfunctional organizations in the NFL, the Las Vegas Raiders,
(30:02):
would be right near the top of the list, near.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The top, who out does them? Dallas Jets are pretty bad. Jets. Okay,
jets are pretty bad. Are they worse than Vegas? Yeah?
Are they?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I would say, yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Worse.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Well, here's here's what I'd say is ESPN did an
article and there's a lot of really interesting quotes that
come from it. Now, I will say that most are agents,
which you know some some of the agents, they could
have been burned and didn't feel like it helped their client.
And I think most would agree. It doesn't feel like
(30:43):
a very stable organization, and that predates tom Brady's involvement.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But the article does lay out.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Basically all the missteps that they've taken even since tom
Brady has been a part of it, and it begs
the question, if tom Brady has as much influence as
he does in the organization, are you able to do
so successfully if you're not there? Twenty four to seven
And there's people who speak within the article former I
(31:16):
forget the exact title, but let's just call him former
front office executives who call into question that like, hey,
this is twenty four to seven job. If you're going
to be here, you need to be here, and it's
tough to win championships or it's tough to have that
sort of success that Tom Brady had when he devoted
so much of his life to the Patriots and the
(31:38):
Tampa Bay Bucks. And yet now it's like, if you're
going to be a part of the Raiders, like maybe
you need to be there full time at least that's
what the article is questioning it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Also, and look, I know that Mark Davis has talked
about this before, but they keep going back to the
fact that we had a plan and then the John
Gruden stuff happened and it completely set everything back. But
it still doesn't explain. Okay, well, but but here's what
it doesn't explain. Rich Pisaccia took over his coach that year,
(32:10):
they still went to the playoffs. They you know, lost
a close game at Cincinnati, and that was the year
Cincinnati went to the Super Bowl. And you decided after
that to let go of Rich Pisaccia, to bring in
Josh McDaniel, to bring it like they made those decisions
post Gruden. So while they can point to, yeah, we
(32:33):
got you know, there was a wrench thrown in our
plan when when Gruden was let oh true, but there's
still been things that have been done there that have
not worked, multiple things, and so the idea that that's
still where things went sideways correct, but they're no way
like they got worse this year, like they got worse
(32:56):
with Pete Carroll, Like Pete Carroll and Brennan Carroll his
son apparently know offensive linemen and like didn't know what
they were doing. They weren't coached right. And then get
to Brady's point, this is agents of these linemen who
were saying these things, but they're they're talking about you know,
spy tech. The gm is having to watch film with
offensive linemen and Ashton Gent so that they can be
(33:18):
better prepared.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Just players only meetings and things that they hadn't been
a part of, where you know, the offensive line, the
running backs like you know Gino, like they're trying to
figure it out a separate from the coaches because they
didn't feel good about it. And this is Look, this
is one of the things that I heard when Ship
Kelly was fired that there was going to be a
media campaign to basically put it on ship. And again
(33:41):
just from being around Ship, knowing ship for a long time,
that offense looked nothing like what Ship Kelly ran at
Ohio State last year, what he did in prior Ston.
So whether it was Philly or San Francisco or going
back to Oregon, the offense looked like what Pete Carroll
was trying to do back when he was in Seattle.
And I think there's an element of wanting to protect
(34:03):
his son Brennan from taking too much flack. And he's
got two sons who are on that staff on the
offensive side of the ball, and that's the side that
struggled mightily. And you could say, like, well, it wasn't
great when Chipko was in their teeth too.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
That's true, but I also.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Don't feel like the talent was there really around that position.
I mean, brock Bauers missed time. He kind of is
everything to that offense, at least in the passing game.
Michael Mayer missed some time. They had other guys who
were in and out. Jacobe Myers got traded like that
was a guy you're heavily reliant on, or you're gonna
be relying on.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Colton Miller was gone. I think he was a offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, I mean the offensive line struggled mightily, but it's
all those things adds up to not being successful. But
then when you take into account that you've got a
head coaches maybe kind of strong arming how he wants
the offense to be on what it should look like,
that doesn't work either. So it ends up being a
disastrous season for the Raid. And so it goes back
(35:01):
to the original question and point. You know, if you
look at what happened last off season, they didn't get
Ben Johnson. That's ultimately who Tom Brady wanted, and I
believe you could say Mark Davis wanted to didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
He in the article it talks about Ben Johnson became.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Interested because Tom Brady had reached out and they really
made a push, but in the end it didn't matter.
So then you look at, you know, some of the
the you know, quarterback position for example. And I don't
want to make more of what was ever reported. I'm
not saying there was you know, tampering or whatever going on,
but you know there's reports of Matt Stafford and Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Running into each other.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
And there was a thought that when Matt Stafford was
given the opportunity to potentially look for a trade, that
the Raiders are going to be one of the destinations,
and there's.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
A conversation that was had.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Ultimately, Matt Stafford chose to go back with the La
Rams and he might win an MVP this year. So
neither of the number one picks that had for their
head coach or quarterback worked out. And so it goes
back to the initial question, LaVar, can you be in
the position where you have a ton of influence in
an organization and not be there twenty four to seven
and not, you know, make that.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Your your main deal.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
If you're.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
If your end result is to be a catalyst for
improvement and for success, I'd say no. I mean that
there's there's certain businesses where you can can be that person.
I don't know that there that exists in in sports,
(36:38):
you know, I look at too too quick examples Michael Jordan,
John Elway. Michael Jordan not so successful and wins. John
Elway had success, got a Super Bowl, brought in Peyton Manning,
which could be like maybe the equivalent of bringing in
a Stafford, but had regression after Peyton man was gone.
(37:02):
I think if Tom Brady is going to have success,
he's going to have to be there. He's going to
have to learn it, he's going to have to execute.
But with that being said, Jordan did grow.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
The value.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
The value of the franchise grew, So it just matters
what Tom Brady's you know, what his motivation is. The
valuation continues to go up for the Raiders. They went
from seven point seven billion to seven point nine If
the reports are accurate and they're top ten, they're constantly
a top ten rated value team in the NFL. So
(37:37):
if that's his win, then he's winning. But if the
win is to get him on the field, he definitely
has to be there and he has to have an
influence if he wants to be a direct influence on
the success.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I don't know that you.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Have to do much, honestly for the evaluations to go up,
like you take a year.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Off and yeah, absolutely absolutely So it just matters what
the motivation of him is. Is it the direct on
field wins or is it the value of the franchise itself.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I can tell you this much. If you're motivated and
you're the type.
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Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Remember when Drake May was going to run away.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
With the MVP.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That was cute last at about five six days, and
now it appears.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Still think he's very much in contentions.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Really he's been really good year. Oh it's over, Matthew
Stafford's going to I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
They just needed one performance.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Hold on, what was what was the betting odds?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What are they am actually efforting? It's not it's not
showing the betting odds right now.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, I wonder why Jonas. It's not as slam dunk
as you think there, Han j.
Speaker 11 (42:16):
Well, I.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Do think there was some people who looked at Drake
May was another winning the MVP. I do think some
people looked at Drake May winning the MVP and we're
trying to find every reason not to give it to him,
like he's been great, But it was almost like they
were waiting for a performance from Matthew Stafford. So he
had one against the Cardinals and it was like, oh, that's.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
The one thought.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
The argument that some would have is that it shouldn't
be a lifetime achievement a word, it should be what
do they do this season? I think that's the argument
for Drake May because he has in some advanced metrics,
been phenomenal, and in regards to Stafford, he's been just
as good, if not better. So it's a tough conversation
because I think both, you can make a case, are
very deserving.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Albert Brears got a boat.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Let's try and to squeeze it out of him next
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guys have an idea what your next song is going
(01:09):
to be? Have you narrowed it down? I got like
two or three that I'm working on all.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Of Yeah, yeah, bet I might have something for the
next hour.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh yeah, Why can we do it as a.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Team because you take too long? You're like that girl
who takes forever getting ready. That is fair, and you're like, yeah,
I'll just I'll be in the car an hour later
you finally walk out. You are that person.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
I just the problem for me is I have to
get it done during the show or it's not going
to get done.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
What do you mean, by the way, LaVar, haven't we
been placed with Jonas before where he's like always last
to come downstairs to leave.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Oh, we're always waiting on Jonas because he's the star.
Hold on a second, Hold on.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Wait, Brady is telling me that I'm the last to arrive.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You're telling me no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
When we're all leaving to go someplace in the mornings. Now,
I'm usually working out, so I'll push it to get there.
But I'm always there on time.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I will say, Jonas is hitting you with some truth though,
because for the show, like our running deal is, which
is funny because by the last day, it's like he's
clearly going to come walking in literally, like it's going
to be like, yeah, literally a minute togo like literally,
(02:35):
But but.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Jonas does that every day here. It's the wild which
is interesting.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah, I sit in my car and be chilling, like
just chilling, and I'll be like looking at my clock
and I'd be like, he gets in here, literally fifty three,
fifty four, fifty five, sometimes even fifty six.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Every day. It's the wildest thing every day, Jay, the
wildest thing. Bro. Just sitting there like, bro, like you
cut it. Y'all cut it so close. Y'all cut it
so close. But hey, that's y'all'll doing. Can verify, Yeah,
they cut it close. Man, I'll be chilling. Though. You
want to know who ain't last? Me? I ain't never
(03:16):
going to be last.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So why would you back to the original question, why
would you need to get your show your song selection
done during the show or.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know why I told you yesterday? You know why?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Oh, because I'm well, because I'm out of here like
I'm onto it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Like my life has has time slots.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So so when I get up out of a time
three to five fifty five, we got you?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, like one one am one, one thirty am two
three what what?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Uh? No? Six? What time are we done with this show?
Five fifty five? Oh yeah, five fifty fIF Yeah, this
is not true.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
You participate. You participate in the group text, which I'd
like you to open up your phone right now. Yeah,
not because there's there is a there's a tweet. I'd
love for you to read. We have a nice quote.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Here we go. All right, you don't want to read that, sure,
I don't care. I think we have the sound.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Actually it seeming real. I think, did Joe Judge really
say that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hey, Patty, we have that sound right, the Joe Judge sound.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's in sound you want to right now? I mean,
this is a real drop.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
This actually exist. I thought this was like parody.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I can't talk.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
I would say. Look, I said this was a neighbor.
I mean it's yeah, it was a next door neighbor. Yeah,
like if you watch those documentaries, my house is on
the TV in the next door. Yeah, the detectors knocked
on my door to find out where he was.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
I mean we just kind of talked to the organization, right,
But I mean I was obviously chaotic. But again, those
players that year handle that extremely well. You know, came
out of that chaos and we had some really good
direction inside with some veterans and different guys. And you
have something like that happen, it's you know, how do
you handle something like that? You know, how do you
deal with something like that? So you know, you keep
the folks on what you can handle, what you can control,
(05:11):
which is at that time was football for us, and
then went through the stretch and we're able to have
success that he was twenty fourteen. We end the season
here as well.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Aaron Hernandez being his neighbor, was the comp to lame
kiff and leaving.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I mean both are chaotic, right all right, but one
is clearly a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Anybody in the face, Well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I mean one of those what you do when they
bring in the person that does the pr training.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Just for those who don't.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Know, you might want to stay from that.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Every team brings in a nice man or woman who
comes in and they help give you directives as to
what to avoid saying anything controversial, anything that speaks for
the entirety of the team. You know, just speak for
yourself if you're to say something, and try not to
speculate all these different little tactics they.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Stay positive, don't say negative stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
This would fall into the category of away from that one,
like it would be in the highlight reel of things.
You don't want to venture down that path and make
comparisons to in fact, not like not making comparisons.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's probably another one.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Yeah, well, I thought it was pretty extreme, but I
guess he got his point across. I mean, if you're
saying that this is you've dealt with chaos before and
that you can block out the chaos and get results,
I guess you gave one of the most extreme examples
that you could give. So drove his point home.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That's for certain. I understood where he was coming from.
It definitely did. Well, there you go, and I won't
go any.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Further with it because why because there's this lady or
a person that they bring in and they tell you these.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Are the topics that you get hit like, these.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Are the things, you know, advice to things to stay
away from Like, Okay, you could discuss this, but maybe
you shouldn't discuss that. You know, definitely should stay away
from these things. So I'm just not going not going
to go any further with that, so A. But they
keep making documentaries about it though, so they like his
house is in a lot of different so we needed
(07:20):
documentaries there.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You need another one of those, right, Uh, well with that,
pie's one more, you know. With that being said, there
was also the subject of Mario Crystabal. We mentioned the
game preview. For those of you wanted the Quinns win
on that, go back and listen to the podcast. That's
where you can find that if you want to make
(07:42):
some money on this game. But Ole Miss and Miami
are there, and so Mario Cristobal was asked about, you know,
maybe some some info that might be passed along during
the portal process of college football and what like this.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
It's a weird, wild time when you have a transfer
portal open and while you're trying to prepare to compete
for a national championship, did you guys have any concerns
about say, outgoing players from your program maybe rival programs
are in the semi finals or elsewhere, reaching out to them,
trying to get even intel on your own programs as
you try to win a national championship.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Well, I think it happens all the time, and if
we don't think it is happening, then we're kidding ourselves.
But quite honestly, I don't blame the players. I blame
the adults. We created the system, right, We're supposed to
be setting the example. Right, We're supposed to be setting
the standard as it relates to everything.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So when you create a system that.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
Has as many holes as it does, well, then you know,
shame on you if you're surprised by some of the
results that come with it.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
So it's a sensible response. Yeah, that's the portal, your guys.
Is portal, very sensible.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It's it's gotten a lot of flack of late.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I guess do we just want to talk about this now?
The Demand Williams.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Situation, Well, it lends to like some of what's happening,
and it's odd that all these things happen to be
connected to Lane Kiffin. It's like he seems to be
at the center of all of this. But for those
who don't know, Demon Williams quarterback at the University of
Washington really talented player. He signed an agreement to go
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back to you dub this upcoming season. However, after signing
the agreement, he went into the transfer portals trying to
go into the transfer portal. Supposedly, because he signed this
what it was deemed to be a binding agreement with
the university, the University of Washington will not put him
into the portal. However, it's become public that he has
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a desire to go into the portal. Now, what makes
matters even crazier is the head coach Jed Fish has
the same exact agent as.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Demon Williams does.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
That is interesting.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
You know what I find interesting as this is all
unfolding with looking at the competitive nature of what the
portal represents to the elites. The non elites are the
ones that get lost in all of this. And I
think that listening to coach Christovall, what he had to
(10:19):
say is so relevant because while we will sit here
and talk about the elite QBS or the elite player,
that these these you know schools want and are after
and are willing to pay all of these dollars for
that transfer portal is also a place where castaways are
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ending up and people aren't really talking about that. Guys
are ending up in the portal not because they want
it to be in the portal, because they're being basically cut.
They're being cut from their team. We don't want you anymore,
you know. And I started thinking to myself, it's like, man,
I was thinking a GM being hired. Now it's like, okay,
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you got to manage the money and this, that and
the other and blase blah, like, oh I get it,
and you know, recruitment this. Then they are now cutting players.
You didn't cut players back in the day you came in,
if you came in on scholarship, Like yeah, they'll threaten you,
I will send you out of here. Maybe they'll give
you a lot of you know, punishment trainings and force
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you to quit or different things like that.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
There were different.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Tactics to get a guy to leave the team, but
you weren't. You didn't hear guys getting cut. These young
men are getting let go from their team like basically
telling them, Okay, you are making this, you're not going
to make That's their way of saying, get out, you're
not making this next year, You're not going to make
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this amount of money, you're going to take a pay
cut or this we want to go in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You're going to be like the third.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
String during fifth string quarterback on its team, or receiver,
whatever it may be. And these kids are and this
isn't being talked about, but they're being actually placed in
a position where what's being said to them is equating
to them having to go into the portal. They have
to go into the portal.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know somebody who was told specifically, I'd get in
the portal if I were you correct.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
It's just I mean, I don't feel like that's kind
of a saying commentary.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Man, it is.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
And I think there's a lot of different ways you
can talk about this, and I think there's two sides
to all this. So as much as it's unfortunate for
those kids, and I remember I talked about this with
Parker Livingston, the wide receiver at Texas.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, he had a really good season this year.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
He actually I remember seeing in Week one at Ohio
State catching some some big time passes for them. As
a freshman, he was their third lending receiver and he
felt like he had to put his name in the
portal because of what the.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Coaches had said to him.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I mean, again, this is a guy who was their
third leading receiver in yards and receptions, second in touchdown receptions.
Like he stepped up in a big way. He was
the roommate arch manning, and they're bringing other guys. So
it's incredibly unfortunate. However, some people would say, though, in
order for other guys to capitalize, like this is the
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system that we have, Like some of the top end
guys wouldn't be able to make as much as they
were able to make, or other players make as much
as they were able to make if not for the
ability to you know, leverage themselves put themselves in the portal,
et cetera. So this is the downside of it, right,
Like we hear, to your point, we only hear about
the upside of what guys are making and some of
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the star players and those things. We don't hear about
the guys that get pushed out or we seldom here about.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
That's okay, I thought you were go ahead, well, and
and what I was going to say is, I think
if we didn't have let's say we didn't have nil,
but we had the transfer portal, it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Would be the same exact thing.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
The difference would be just the scholarships, which I would say,
I'm obviously a little younger than you. So one of
the things like you kind of touched on there and
talking about, was I know guys who got there a
Notre dame, and it became very evident that the coaching
staff was going to do everything they could to make
that player's life tough so that they would probably quit
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or transfer. Ye whether it's like the early morning workouts
or even for like class scheduling, they weren't able to
get the class scheduling they really needed in order to get,
you know, their degree that they wanted slash for practice
everything else. Like their life was going to be someone
miserable and that was like one of those tactics. And
(14:50):
so at least it's not hidden like now, at least
you know, some of these coaches at least their fourthright,
they're honest with them. They'll say, hey, man, I think
you need to get in the portal, like we're going
to go with someone else. I mean to me, this
whole entire scenario for young people, there's good and bad
to it. I think one of the good things that
comes from that is even if you have someone to
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tell you like, hey, you're not good enough or we
don't think you're good enough. It's a moment where you
can either take that and you could do what you
want with it. You can keep pursuing it, keep proving
them wrong, or you can you know, take that as like,
all right, maybe this isn't the path for me, Maybe
I need to go in a different direction. And someone's
trying to give me a hint that, like, this path
is only going to lead so far that I need.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
To start thinking about the future.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Because one of the things I think you find is
some of those people you're talking about, they exhaust all
efforts to basically take scholarships from either lower level guys
who are trying to come up or high school level
kids and opportunities, and they don't really have a future
in the sport, but they're exhausting all efforts to make
as much money as they can in it. And I
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can't fault them for that. But that is a cause
and effect of where we're at right now.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
The problem now, the issue I have with this, and
my major concern is that it's not based off of
development and education. It's my biggest It's the biggest problem
I have with this is because now it's like, okay,
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so now it's okay to change the narrative. For so long,
athletes have been judged for the idea of I'm focused
on being an athlete. Do you understand what type of
ridicule you exposed yourself to if you said I'm a
(16:43):
football player, I want to play football. Do you understand
the type of scrutiny and the type of criticism that
would come your way if you said something as simple
as I just want to focus in on ball. Had
to be a student athlete, right, shamed, shamed to the umpteenth.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Power, and now and now.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
It's okay, Now it's okay to actually, oh wait, like
when do we mention education here?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Like that?
Speaker 6 (17:22):
The whole point of what was just made in terms
of maybe this is you know why it's a waste
of a scholarship because you're not going to help our
football team on Saturday, but you gave me a scholarship.
I would I didn't. First of all, somebody isn't just
given a scholarship. You have to earn it, like it's
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an investment. They have to invest this money in you
to come here, so something made them feel like you
should be here, and we're going to give you money
to be here. If you don't turn out to be
the player, which happens more often than anything else, you're
going to have more guys that aren't going to be
pro material than guys that are going to be pro
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material that play on your team. Let's be clear on
that point of it. So when you realize that you, oh,
I'm one of the many. I'm one of the many
that aren't going to make it to the next level,
you have to look at education still as the major
staple of what college football represents, even in the name, image,
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likeness era of time. And that is a very very
poor commentary. It's a very sad conclusion to come to
that it is not. And now you can no longer
deny the fact that's saying student athlete or they're not
employees of your university. You can no longer avoid the
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conversation of what this truly is. You are looking for
your workforce, wherever it is the portal or at the
high school level, you are seeking your workforce, and if
they prove out, you pay them, and you pay them more.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
If they don't, you move.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
On from them, and you're trying to find that next
person to plug that gap and make your team a
better team.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Leave it there.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Take the narrative away from these kids and acting as
though all they're about is the money. All they want
is the money. Oh, it's all about money. The kids,
the kids, the kids, the kids. What are you after, university?
What are you after? Coaching staff? What are you after?
Because I barely hear education anymore at all.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I barely hear it. I barely hear it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
There was a couple of days last week where jonas
that we're working and you weren't working. And one of
the things we talked about is no, well we haven't
talked about the college basketball portion of this, which is
that's been the most like evidence of the lack of
concern for education and development if you follow what's happening
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in college basketball right now, like you had a guy
who was drafted who's trying to come back and play
in college basketball after playing pro overseas, and look, and
after talking to some folks, I'll go as far as
even saying conference commissioners, I'd ask say what's your take
on this? And their take was, Hey, look, as long
as they didn't sign a contract, we believe that they
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should still be a liberty to come back and play
if that's the case, So.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
As long as they didn't sign.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Which I know they've moved the goalpost a bit with
some of that discussion and language around it. But it
feels like college basketball has always been one step ahead
of college football because of it's a one and done.
So I think when college basketball went away from, you know,
forcing players to either choose to go to pro out
a high school or choosing to be in school for
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at least a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Few years they went away.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
From that same model too, Like every sport that essentially
made it easier and faster to get to the professional level,
and basketball was the first to do so, they all
of a sudden through education out the window. I mean
John cala Perry's pitch when he was back at Kentucky
was well, they'll come back and get their degree. He
wasn't worried about it when they were there, just as
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long as they were eligible, which you know, those guys
were even probably stepping foot in the classroom if they
were was probably nothing too difficult during the time there. So,
like I look at it, and say like this framework
has been set for a while now with players who
have then had the opportunity in basketball to walk in
and walk out like that, and so now in football,
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I think the tough thing is we've enabled them to
be able to only make it or only you know,
prioritize money as opposed to development.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And by the way, look like anything else, it's like
a belt curve.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You've got your you know, ten percent on one side
that that's ultimately the only thing they care about. You
have the ten percent on the other that it doesn't
matter because they're not good enough or they don't even
have that opportunity, and the other eighty percent in between.
It's probably a blend. Does money matter, you know, most
for some of them, Yeah, but it's not everything. Does
money matter as much for others? But maybe it's about
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that coach they're going to play for. Maybe it's about
that education they're going to get in the degree. I
think it differs, and I think we tend to, you know,
get frustrated in all of this. But the truth of
the matter is, hopefully the adults in the room, the
parents and the advisors for some of these guys, they
do care enough to work with the school and say,
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you know, hey, we want to come back here and
finish or whatever the case is, whether they leave earlier,
whether they're transferring out there, there's some way of keeping
some goodwill and making sure that they come back and
have the opportunity to get a degree one day. Because
that's the scariest thing I think when I look at
these young people, I'm like, the gonna be leaving college
and yeah, they may not have any debt, and they
may have some you know, some money in.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
There in hand, and you have no flag, no nation,
no no network, no network, nothing to build anything off
of or even focus.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
No even no focus on education, correct, Unlike what do
I want to do outside of football?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, That's why I liked what Quinn Yours did
because Quinn Ewers, after his final year at Texas, there
was apparently an offer on the table, a deal for
him to go elsewhere, and he turned it down because
he's Texas was his dream and he didn't want to
He just didn't want to end his career playing for
somebody else, almost as you know, kind of a mercenary.
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And so he went into the draft. He got drafted
seventh round whatever. But it was almost like it felt
rare to hear somebody of that stature who could go
get a paycheck, who could go get a payday somewhere else,
who said, man.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I want to be loyal to the school.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I went to school for rehab education, a major in
sociology on my psychology.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I stayed in school.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
For obviously to I wanted to be like my mom
and help help kids beyond the game. I always was
my focus, even as a player, was to help help kids,
help help people in development. If if my only worth
and my only value was me playing the game, and
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you see this play out so often. I mean, I
could tell you a gazillion names of former players that
can they struggle with life.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
They can't.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
They cannot function in life. Turn the drugs, turn the alcohol.
They're abusive, not only to themselves, they're abusive to others.
They're just they're they're in poor condition because they subscribe
to just being a football player. And once the game
(25:00):
was gone, they didn't know how to care for themselves.
They didn't know how to schedule for themselves, nothing, nothing,
because the skills that they needed to be able to
be productive in their lives was not there, and it
becomes apparent when you do not have the game anymore.
The focus and the purpose of college sports, of high
(25:23):
school sports is supposed to prepare you to be an
adult beyond the sport, beyond the sport, just like everybody
else that goes to school and what's developing them and
teaching them to be prepared for life beyond school, and
that seems to be gone.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It seems to be gone.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
As it applies to athletics, especially high end net worth
value sports like football and basketball, it seems to not
be a focus anymore. To me, I think it's very
sad because for me, I went to school, I would
have never ended up in radio, never would have ended
(26:08):
up in radio ever if it wasn't for a Penn
State or that was a program director. I was like, hey,
maybe you should come in and learn about what radio
is about. My network and my education and my community
is the reason why I'm even on the microphone right now.
And that's gone, Like that's gone. You're you're you're transferring,
(26:30):
You're you're a man with no flag, You're a man
with no nation, And that's a that's a very sad
commentary to have to play out and look at you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
All that success on the field, and here I was
ready to welcome me in with arms and say, you
know what, let's go get in the mud together. Come on,
let's go get dirty together. Let's do this thing, all
three of us, all on the same spot. It is
two pros and cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
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(27:00):
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But is there any way out. We'll get into that
for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
I'll tell you what you can get out. Some pizza sauce,
some some pizza dough.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, you can enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
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Jonas Knox, and you know what, it's a challenge with quarterbacks.
Pizza Hut has another message for fans.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
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Speaker 6 (27:38):
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we want you to be a part of that. And
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(28:01):
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ten bucks. You know how big them slices are. One
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(28:22):
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you can order any pizza you want. What's your game
day pizza? I don't know, but you can order it.
I think you should go with the New Yorker. And
you know what, us here at two Pros and a
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So make sure you do it, and make sure you
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(28:44):
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hand out an award on this show. This is a
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different that'll be yours right here on FSR. If we
were going to hand out an award for one of
the most dysfunctional organizations in the NFL, the Las Vegas Raiders,
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would be right near the top of the list, near.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The top, who out does them? Dallas Jets are pretty bad. Jets. Okay,
jets are pretty bad. Are they worse than Vegas? Yeah?
Are they?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I would say, yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Worse.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Well, here's here's what I'd say is ESPN did an
article and there's a lot of really interesting quotes that
come from it. Now, I will say that most are agents,
which you know some some of the agents, they could
have been burned and didn't feel like it helped their client.
And I think most would agree. It doesn't feel like
(30:43):
a very stable organization, and that predates tom Brady's involvement.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But the article does lay out.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Basically all the missteps that they've taken even since tom
Brady has been a part of it, and it begs
the question, if tom Brady has as much influence as
he does in the organization, are you able to do
so successfully if you're not there? Twenty four to seven
And there's people who speak within the article former I
(31:16):
forget the exact title, but let's just call him former
front office executives who call into question that like, hey,
this is twenty four to seven job. If you're going
to be here, you need to be here, and it's
tough to win championships or it's tough to have that
sort of success that Tom Brady had when he devoted
so much of his life to the Patriots and the
(31:38):
Tampa Bay Bucks. And yet now it's like, if you're
going to be a part of the Raiders, like maybe
you need to be there full time at least that's
what the article is questioning it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Also, and look, I know that Mark Davis has talked
about this before, but they keep going back to the
fact that we had a plan and then the John
Gruden stuff happened and it completely set everything back. But
it still doesn't explain. Okay, well, but but here's what
it doesn't explain. Rich Pisaccia took over his coach that year,
(32:10):
they still went to the playoffs. They you know, lost
a close game at Cincinnati, and that was the year
Cincinnati went to the Super Bowl. And you decided after
that to let go of Rich Pisaccia, to bring in
Josh McDaniel, to bring it like they made those decisions
post Gruden. So while they can point to, yeah, we
(32:33):
got you know, there was a wrench thrown in our
plan when when Gruden was let oh true, but there's
still been things that have been done there that have
not worked, multiple things, and so the idea that that's
still where things went sideways correct, but they're no way
like they got worse this year, like they got worse
(32:56):
with Pete Carroll, Like Pete Carroll and Brennan Carroll his
son apparently know offensive linemen and like didn't know what
they were doing. They weren't coached right. And then get
to Brady's point, this is agents of these linemen who
were saying these things, but they're they're talking about you know,
spy tech. The gm is having to watch film with
offensive linemen and Ashton Gent so that they can be
(33:18):
better prepared.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Just players only meetings and things that they hadn't been
a part of, where you know, the offensive line, the
running backs like you know Gino, like they're trying to
figure it out a separate from the coaches because they
didn't feel good about it. And this is Look, this
is one of the things that I heard when Ship
Kelly was fired that there was going to be a
media campaign to basically put it on ship. And again
(33:41):
just from being around Ship, knowing ship for a long time,
that offense looked nothing like what Ship Kelly ran at
Ohio State last year, what he did in prior Ston.
So whether it was Philly or San Francisco or going
back to Oregon, the offense looked like what Pete Carroll
was trying to do back when he was in Seattle.
And I think there's an element of wanting to protect
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his son Brennan from taking too much flack. And he's
got two sons who are on that staff on the
offensive side of the ball, and that's the side that
struggled mightily. And you could say, like, well, it wasn't
great when Chipko was in their teeth too.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
That's true, but I also.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Don't feel like the talent was there really around that position.
I mean, brock Bauers missed time. He kind of is
everything to that offense, at least in the passing game.
Michael Mayer missed some time. They had other guys who
were in and out. Jacobe Myers got traded like that
was a guy you're heavily reliant on, or you're gonna
be relying on.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Colton Miller was gone. I think he was a offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, I mean the offensive line struggled mightily, but it's
all those things adds up to not being successful. But
then when you take into account that you've got a
head coaches maybe kind of strong arming how he wants
the offense to be on what it should look like,
that doesn't work either. So it ends up being a
disastrous season for the Raid. And so it goes back
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to the original question and point. You know, if you
look at what happened last off season, they didn't get
Ben Johnson. That's ultimately who Tom Brady wanted, and I
believe you could say Mark Davis wanted to didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
He in the article it talks about Ben Johnson became.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Interested because Tom Brady had reached out and they really
made a push, but in the end it didn't matter.
So then you look at, you know, some of the
the you know, quarterback position for example. And I don't
want to make more of what was ever reported. I'm
not saying there was you know, tampering or whatever going on,
but you know there's reports of Matt Stafford and Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Running into each other.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
And there was a thought that when Matt Stafford was
given the opportunity to potentially look for a trade, that
the Raiders are going to be one of the destinations,
and there's.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
A conversation that was had.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Ultimately, Matt Stafford chose to go back with the La
Rams and he might win an MVP this year. So
neither of the number one picks that had for their
head coach or quarterback worked out. And so it goes
back to the initial question, LaVar, can you be in
the position where you have a ton of influence in
an organization and not be there twenty four to seven
and not, you know, make that.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Your your main deal.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
If you're.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
If your end result is to be a catalyst for
improvement and for success, I'd say no. I mean that
there's there's certain businesses where you can can be that person.
I don't know that there that exists in in sports,
(36:38):
you know, I look at too too quick examples Michael Jordan,
John Elway. Michael Jordan not so successful and wins. John
Elway had success, got a Super Bowl, brought in Peyton Manning,
which could be like maybe the equivalent of bringing in
a Stafford, but had regression after Peyton man was gone.
(37:02):
I think if Tom Brady is going to have success,
he's going to have to be there. He's going to
have to learn it, he's going to have to execute.
But with that being said, Jordan did grow.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
The value.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
The value of the franchise grew, So it just matters
what Tom Brady's you know, what his motivation is. The
valuation continues to go up for the Raiders. They went
from seven point seven billion to seven point nine If
the reports are accurate and they're top ten, they're constantly
a top ten rated value team in the NFL. So
(37:37):
if that's his win, then he's winning. But if the
win is to get him on the field, he definitely
has to be there and he has to have an
influence if he wants to be a direct influence on
the success.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I don't know that you.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Have to do much, honestly for the evaluations to go up,
like you take a year.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Off and yeah, absolutely absolutely So it just matters what
the motivation of him is. Is it the direct on
field wins or is it the value of the franchise itself.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I can tell you this much. If you're motivated and
you're the type.
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Speaker 13 (40:48):
Pork down and goal from inside the two shotguns snap fifth.
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Speaker 14 (40:54):
Pooka, reach us up and pose it with the right hand.
Touch down, Pooka touchdown, lay on his head, hook.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
On the coupascors it and the ball don't lie.
Speaker 13 (41:11):
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Speaker 14 (41:15):
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Yay.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Remember when Drake May was going to run away.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
With the MVP.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That was cute last at about five six days, and
now it appears.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Still think he's very much in contentions.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Really he's been really good year. Oh it's over, Matthew
Stafford's going to I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
They just needed one performance.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Hold on, what was what was the betting odds?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What are they am actually efforting? It's not it's not
showing the betting odds right now.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, I wonder why Jonas. It's not as slam dunk
as you think there, Han j.
Speaker 11 (42:16):
Well, I.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Do think there was some people who looked at Drake
May was another winning the MVP. I do think some
people looked at Drake May winning the MVP and we're
trying to find every reason not to give it to him,
like he's been great, But it was almost like they
were waiting for a performance from Matthew Stafford. So he
had one against the Cardinals and it was like, oh, that's.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
The one thought.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
The argument that some would have is that it shouldn't
be a lifetime achievement a word, it should be what
do they do this season? I think that's the argument
for Drake May because he has in some advanced metrics,
been phenomenal, and in regards to Stafford, he's been just
as good, if not better. So it's a tough conversation
because I think both, you can make a case, are
very deserving.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Albert Brears got a boat.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Let's try and to squeeze it out of him next
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