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National Championship Game took place on the Pat McAfee show
starring AJ Hawk. Nick Saban was being asked about who
who would be rooting for ahead of the game between
Miami and Indiana, and he took a little shot or
a little dig or maybe pointed out something that he
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feels like is unfair about the current landscape of college football.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
To sounded like this, who.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Are u SEC people pulling forward Miami because it's kind
of southern.
Speaker 8 (01:39):
In this day and age of the culture we have
now in college football, paying players the name, image and
likeness transferring, it's an advantage for the Big ten. I
don't care if you'll never convince any otherwise. North North, North,
because people in the South would not go to the
North unless you paid them.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
So why don't you guys put that in your big
ten pipe and smoke it?
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean, look, he's like two things there, all right,
he's not lying.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I mean, there's some truth to that.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
However, I also go as far as saying, this is
why the last three national champions have been Northern schools
Midwest schools.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
They've got more money.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
Because here's the reality of that comment he just made.
If the South had as much money, you could compensate
them the same and they'd stay then, like, isn't that
the logic to what he just said. I mean, it's
not like the Northern It's not like the Northern schools
aren't necessarily overpaying.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
They just they're paying more because they have more.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
And that's like the little secret that no one wants
to talk about. But it's the truth of what's happening.
The last three years, the Big Ten has been the
top of college football. And there's gonna be people who
argue that, well, but the rest there's a lot of periody.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
The SEC has a lot of really good So it's
the Big Ten, dude.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
It's just the perception that people in the South and
ESPN shoves.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Down your throat that you don't want to buy.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Into and we have to wait until bull season or
we wait until the playoffs, and we look at and go,
oh okay, yeah. Actually, the worst performing Power four conference
this year was the SEC.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I mean, by and large was the SEC.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
If you look at, for example, the two conferences that
had I believe the SEC had ten teams ranked in
the top twenty five to start, the other preseason top
twenty five, and they finished with seven, which is probably
still too many. The Big Ten started with six and
it was six, and so it shows you that they
either met expectations or they maintained that and they maybe
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should have one more. The ACC. I think they started
with three finished with two. Like basically every here's what
I drew from it. Every single conference that ESPN, who
controls college football, has those two conferences that they exclusively
have the rights to, the SEC and the ACC. They never,
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in a medical expectations ranked more teams in preseason. At
the end of the season had less teams that were
in the rankings. And that's because they shove this propaganda
that like, oh, the SEC is this, and I mean
and then it's shifted as soon as it shifted that
there's no SEC team NAS championship.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Now it's like, well, you know, we have the ACC too.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
It's exactly what Petro said yesterday, and Petro's and I
have talked about this because we kind of sit back
and look at it and observe and just go it's
crazy that no one else draws attention to this, and
yet like here we are, third year in.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
A row, Big ten team winning it all.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Kurtzying that he's you know, set himself, He's like, we
don't have as big of an nil fund as people think, they're.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Obviously spending it wisely.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
So yeah, this show there's truth to what Nick Saban said,
but that's because the North just has more money.
Speaker 9 (04:51):
I mean, I think guys have always come to major
schools from from different places. But I mean, I mean, yeah,
he's right, there's some accuracy to it. But but I
also think that again college college evolved. It went from
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neighborhood and state and city to you know, more more
I guess, broader region, and then it expanded to entire country.
You know, you would have never seen a kid from
California playing at you know, Penn State.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You might have seen it.
Speaker 9 (05:38):
Here and there with like an Ohio State, but in general,
you know, Pennsylvania players, Ohio players, they're going to go
to Ohio State, and they're going to go to Penn State.
They might go to pitt they might go to West Virginia.
But it's generally like clusters of schools that you know,
we're going to get and pick from the certain areas.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And that's how it was.
Speaker 9 (06:00):
I mean, you think about going back to the days
of Schnellenberger and how he was able to build the
you it was because he roped off the parts of
Florida that were right there where Miami was and there
was a wealth of talent there. So I mean, in theory,
the evolution of it is recruitment is national. And when
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you turn your attention to recruiting nationally and now having
nil and having you know, the ability to be able
to compensate the players, I mean, of course that's going
to play a part in how you recruit. There's I mean,
that's just is what it is. That's the sign of
the times. But nationally recruiting became a thing long before now.
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Now what is it prevalent or prominent that you see
a ton of kids from warmer places from the South
coming to the North or to you know, the Big
ten schools. We never really recruited them. So there's that
as well. You know, it's you get your guys, we
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get our guys, and we'll see each other in a
bowl game like That's kind of what it was. That's
it's always been. You know, you you fight for your
your conference. If you go to the Rose Bowl, that
meant you did something and you know out west in
the pack and you did something in the Big Ten.
So I don't I don't know. I don't feel like
I was big of a debate to your point.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I actually think TV has helped with the national recruiting
because I mean, and I'll just say this, like twenty
some years ago. One of the reasons why when I
went out to Colorado and at that point in time,
like they were rolling, Gary Barnett had them, had them rolling.
I had family out in Colorado. It's a beautiful campus.
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I mean that place to to Deon Sanders credit. If
you get players out there, it's hard to say no.
I mean, it's just it's such an incredible campus and
they have everything you need out there for football player.
And I would say the fan base is awesome everything
about it. But I got to a point where I
thought to myself, my family's not going to be able
to watch many games. They might be able to fly
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out for a game of year, but at the time
they're playing the Big Eight. And I wanted my parents
to be a part of the journey too. I wanted
my uncle and I wanted to all my boys that
I grew up with that you know, would be able
to come to games, to be able to be a
part of it too. Like I wanted to bring all
those who I thought was my support system, guys who
were with me. And I was even looking like Stanford
was like really the only West Coast school that I
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was looking at, And I thought to myself, like, if
I can't go this far, I'm definitely not going to
be able to go to the West Coast. And I
would say our family wasn't in a financial position to
able to, you know, fly like major part that's amazing.
So so it ended up making me think like I've
got to stay more regional now. Granted, if it was
like in today's times, your parents and family can you
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tune in, watch on whatever, I mean, it's you have
access to so much more.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
So, like I think that helped.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Open up some like if we're not just talking about money,
because there's no doubt, I mean, this is life changing
money to some families. But I think the TV portion
of this too has played a pretty significant role in
more national recruiting.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Uh LaVar.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
When you were mentioning sort of the area was roped
off that this is you know, this is our crew.
That was your crew will meet in a bowl game?
What percentage of players would you say? Ballpark on the
Penn State teams that you were on. We're from within
the area, like were they're out of staters where the Yeah.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
But that was a part of our rope off though,
Like Virginia the Carolina.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Said Ohio, they try to get a lot.
Speaker 9 (09:38):
Of Ohio gas, and we do get a lot of
Ohio gas because they want to go football. Yeah, they
want to play, you know, against Ohio.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
And they'd whooped that ass the Big thirty three, and
they'd be like, oh, maybe we should bring those guys
in there.
Speaker 9 (09:51):
We want we'd been here before, we won when I
was there, so I don't I can't speak for everybody we.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Went when I was there. I can't speak for Yeah,
I can't speak for you.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
You know, but we won when I was in the
Big thirty three, So you know, that's all I'm gonna
say to that.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And I beat I beat.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
Them two out of three times, and first time I
didn't play my freshman year. So I mean, we beat
Ohio State when I was in school, So I'm just saying.
But anyway, I will say we had a lot of
players from Virginia, a lot from the Tidewater area, a
lot from Richmond. We had a few guys from Maryland.
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That sense grown like Maryland is our main fertile ground
of recruitment, Maryland, and when I was there, yeah, it was.
It was Virginia, parts of Carolina, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and
that was literally it. If you looked at our roster
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that those were the places our players were from. You
didn't see anybody from You might have saw a few
from Jersey. You might have saw a few from New York.
And when I say a few, like maybe one or two,
you know what I mean, Like it wasn't very many,
but we did recruit Jersey. There were a couple more
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I'm understated in Jersey, Jersey. We hit Jersey. But yeah,
I mean as far as it just being PA kids,
the bulk of the players were PA kids that played
for penn State, the bulk of them. And that was
generally because the best players from Pennsylvania generally went to
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It just feels so much more transient now than it is.
So that's why, like when you get into the discussion
about Big ten versus the SEC, like I don't even
I don't even know what that means. And I think
part of the rubbing in the SEC face that they
haven't won a national title in a couple of years.
Is the fact that they were so obnoxious for so long,
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and just the way they talk about their conference, which
I always thought was weird. Covering college football in the
South was always a weird thing to me, because you know,
it was South Carolina. South Carolina wasn't competing for a
national championship, and if they did, it was for a
short amount of time, and you know, ten years ago
or whatever it was, fifteen years ago. But I always
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thought it was weird the claiming of the conference when
you were one of those other SEC teams, You've got
nothing to do with Alabama winning a national title nothing.
In fact, you're the reason they were able to do that,
because they could beat you pad their record and then
ultimately use that as an argument as to why they
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should be ranked near the top of the top of
the rankings. The whole notion of hey man, SEC, when
you're a Vanderbilt fan, like, you have nothing to do
with it. You have nothing to do with what's going
on at the top of the conference.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
And so it was always.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Weird to see the way other schools outside of your
Alabama's or your Auburn for a short time, or Florida,
and those schools would celebrate and and sort of brag
about the conference and then they would you know, show
up and they do the SEC chance in these bowl
games and I think, now it's just their come up ins.
Now it's now everybody's going to take their shots. But
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since they've done that, the SEC sort of.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Moved the goalpost a little bit.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Well it's different than they played a role.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I mean some of those teams were doormats exactly.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
It's just padding stems.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Man, we can't beat them, and it is so darn good.
They should be the national chance.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You write them, you've got nothing to It would be
like me bragging because my neighbor got a new car.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
It's not mine.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I do it as your neighbor.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
I also think if you look at the dominance of
the SEC when they were, you know, winning national championships,
it was like two schools Bama, that was Georgia. And
you know, for the Big Ten to have three consecutive
years and three different teams, it just goes to show
you like there's a lot more parody and there's a
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there's a it's a much better conference that I think
it's perceived outside of you know, just a big ten
like it nationally.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It needs to be you know, looked at more that way.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
And I think if you look at the number of
teams that have been in the semi finals, not even
just the teams that are winning it, like Penn State
last year, even Penn State this year, probably what you know,
could have been. I know, some things kind of fell
by the wayside, but they took the national champions to
the to the wire. You know, you go look at Oregon,
like Oregon I think next year, like right on the
cusp of being a team that I think, Look, they
maybe the semis this year. I know they lost, but
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with Dante Moore coming back, what they'll have coming back.
People tend to forget that team was like kind of
snake bitten, like they'll they'll lose their tight end, sadik.
But they've got a ton of kids. Decryan Moore's coming back.
You know, They've got Evin Stewart. I mean, I'm not
sure what he's gonna end up doing, but he didn't
even play this year. Really like it's they've got a
ton of talent there that'll be coming back to reload
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to make a national championship run, like Oregon's gonna be
right back in the mix. You know, I'm not sure
Wheldhouse State's gonna play a role obviously, I know, Notre Dame,
which is, you know, not in a conference, but they're
a Northern school.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
He mu as well.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I think they most identify or as far as they're
you know, roster and how they look and play is
probably a Big Ten school. Like it's just they are
the top of college football. They kind of have been.
It's just no one's wanted to admit it. It took three
national championships.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
In a row.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
And now that people are like, oh well, we've got
to figure some things out. And if you want to
say the SEC is broken, okay, I mean look this
ebbs and flows. There's there's times when you look at
the SEC and they've got some incredible coaching.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Nick Saban's not there anymore.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
He's still got Kirby Smart, but you know, you appoint
to Lane kiff An LSU, that's gonna be interesting to
see what they do. But like outside of that, I
think you've got some really, really really good coaches in
the Big Ten. I mean, Matt Campbell comes to Penn State.
Now Pat FitzGeralds you know at Michigan State. No, I'm
not saying they're going to necessarily, you know, win the conference.
But I don't know, Man, you've got more resources, they're
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gonna have better athletes. What do you got Northwestern? And
they at least got to the Big Ten championship game
back then. I'm not going to count them out. So
I just I look at the conference as a whole.
I think it's you know, by and large, not getting
its due from a lot of other conferences out there.
That it is the best, and it is deeper than
people think, and it's got better coaches than the rest,
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and it's got more money than the rest.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well done, all right, So with that being said, would
you like to take a gander or a guess if
you will, at the College football National Championship ODS for
twenty twenty six twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Seven, who would you say is the favorite?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Because we currently have co favorites to win the national
championship next year?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
If you guys have we like Texas because if Texas
spends so much there.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, here we go. So it's Texas probably.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Bar to Oregon.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Currently at the top at seven to one. Indiana and
Ohio State are currently holding.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
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Speaker 3 (17:01):
Of course, Texas is currently at plus seven fifty, so
they're right behind Indiana and Ohio State. There is one
other school that is also at plus seven fifty. If
you had to guess, and it's not Oregon, who would
it be.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's right, those Notre Dame fighting Irish sitting there at
plus seven.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
We've got a lot of guys coming back.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Man, the portal editions, I'm telling you right now, they're
loaded up.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
That's a ticked off team.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So and then you've got Georgia is sitting there at
ten to one. So Indiana, Ohio State, Texas, we found Oregon.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We found Oregon. Let it go right right?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
And jeez, did a bus just drive by?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I believe Dave Coello is probably listening and called it
and is playing this office phone right, that's right, show.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
So so yeah, those are your early looks.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Is there a dark horse team you think about, Brady
that we can look at here? You just throw a
team up off the top of your head here that
you would look at. Maybe that's somebody to consider. It's
hard to find dark horses. I don't think the Indiana's
are are coming around very often. Really curious to see
what Michigan does. I have to look at their schedule,
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and that's kind of plays a role in all this, right,
But I'm just saying, if it with Underwood.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Back, they've got some pieces back.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Like, that's a team that with Kyle Whittingham taking over
now they're gonna win. They're gonna win a lot of
ball games. So I wouldn't count Michigan out. I mean,
Penn Staten, what Matt Campbell's doing, you know, I don't
know how LeVar feels, but I just think he's he's
so darn good at like managing games, especially tight games,
winning those tight games. I'd say they're another team that
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needs a lot more consideration. I'm not sure what to
what to think of Old miss It was a great
run this year, but I think they you know, maybe
the magic is out.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
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Speaker 7 (18:59):
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it pull them down. There's apparently a feud in the
NFL that not a lot of people knew of until yesterday.
We'll get into that for you here on FSR.
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it is time for our midweek awards. The good, the bad,
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But here's a game day tip. Why don't you order
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at Pizza Hut. So the feud that we didn't realize
was a feud or maybe just hadn't thought of it
in a while. Got ignited a little bit yesterday and
social media. De Orlando Ledbetter, who's covered the de Orlando Ledbetter,
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he's covered the Falcons for a long time. He sent
a tweet out yesterday said the following quote Falcons. Kevin
Stefanski had a dumpster fire at quarterback in Cleveland, Baker
Mayfield and Deshaun Watson failed, which started a chain reaction
to eleven other starters. Quarterback shad Or Sanders closed out
last season with seven starts. Baker Mayfield saw that and responded,
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quote failed is quite the reach. Pal still waiting on
a text call from him meeting Stefanski after I got
shipped off like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to
see you twice a year, coach. So apparently Baker Mayfield
versus Kevin Stefanski is alive and well and will be
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featured twice next year. As Baker Mayfield still has not
forgotten the way he was treated on his way out
the door in Cleveland kind of gets lost in the
in the memory of how that's just you.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Go talk about it because you love this stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
We're like, okay, I mean we're we're like nine months
away from this actually becoming a thing. I'm sure we'll
get an early divisional game so they can play up
this narrative. But I don't know, man, I mean, he's
but Baker got traded to like Carolina after that, yeah,
and then ended up moving on to the LA Rams
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and then it was to the Tampa Bay Bucks.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, I think I look at it and I go
Stefanski sort of got I don't want to say a
free pass, but sort of got a well, he's got
to get out of there. That's a bad organization. You know,
he won Coach of the Year twice, etc. Which is
all true, right, But there was stuff about he he
was on board with them moving on from Baker Mayfield
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like that, like he was on board, and apparently they
had some sort of a falling out towards Baker Mayfield's
final time there in Cleveland, and I think we just
assume it was the organization or Andrew Berry that was
the ones making the call there, just like they did
with Deshaun Watson, when really Stefanski also deserves a little
bit of the blame for Baker Mayfield not being there
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at all and not being there any longer in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Sure, I mean the ownership does too.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Right, they couldn't come to an agreement, and they knew
what he was playing through. And even though he had
a down year after taking them to the playoffs, you
know that that year before, they didn't really want to give,
you know, reward him for those efforts. I think he
was frustrated by it and probably could have signed a
deal after that playoff year, but tried to push a
little bit further to make more and that's the risk
(23:49):
that you take. But ultimately it wasn't just Stefansk involved.
I'm not even sure how much involvement he had at all. Right,
I mean Andrew Berry survived, so I look, I get this.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
It's great. It's like that Jordan mentality.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
We also the documentary where whether there's something there or not,
like Michael Jordan was making up something to motivate himself.
So if that's what he needs and that's what helps
him play at his best, cool, It's just we're talking
about this nine months before this was actual game to
be played like a.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Little pisson Vinegar Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Let's get right out here, let's get right Yeah. See
that's That's that's what he needed. He needed that that
booty man.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
For the uh, you know, for the off season. So
so every time he goes and and and works out,
he's thinking about that.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
He's thinking about it. Yeah, he's thinking about that beard.
That that stoic look that Stefanski gives you. He's bringing
the red bottom.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Stefanski could be an actor, you know, he really could be.
He's got that.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
He's like that actor. Look, he got that wolverine look
to him, like he could.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Be one of X Men. The beard, Yeah, the beard.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah, I feel like I could try. I feel like
I could trust him too with that beard.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Baker Mayfield, you don't think so well.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I mean, did he have a beard back then? Maybe
that was the issue.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Also you know the other thing too, And I've always
wondered this, and you tell me how you feel about it.
So Kevin Stefanski is listed as winning a playoff game
with the Browns because remember they beat the Steelers that year.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
But he couldn't be there was that was that COVID.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, that was a COVID year. So I forget who
it was. I mean it was one of hiss.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Okay, but but he was able to help them. I
believe during that week he just like wasn't able to
be there. It counts.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I don't know, man, I don't know. I have a
fun fact here by the stickler for the details.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
Well, you said that he was more trustworthy because of
his beard. So I actually looked that up and research
actually does suggest that men with beards are often perceived
as more trustworthy, mature, and competent.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Wow, there you go. See all right? So maybe did
he not have a win at all? Zero trust?
Speaker 9 (25:58):
For Brady can't can't grow a beard, and we should
trust Jonas. I just feel like there's a weird contrast.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
There, you know.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah, I'm the outlier.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
We should trust Jonas, I'm Brady. Well, I would say
my experience, Jonas is pretty reliable, pretty consistent.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Every day Jay.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, but trusting, I don't know about that. Larida, what
do you think about Kevin Stefanski?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Do you know what that is? He's a great guy? Okay, well,
he's a great guy. Like if if you.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Just she doesn't admit it on air, she thinks he's
really you do good for you?
Speaker 10 (26:31):
You know, I have great test Tayson Man.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Oh, gosh, I do know that he's got here you
can trust. I mean, I'm gonna stay out of that one.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Also, that's proven. Guys. Did you guys see.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
This story that came out a little more detail on
what went wrong in Buffalo? Vic Carucci, who's been covering
the Bills for long forever, Uh, he's he reported this quote.
I'm told that during a meeting held five weeks ago
between Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean, and Pegoula, the coach pointed
out what the roster lacked to win a Super Bowl.
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I don't know the specifics mister Sean McDermott mentioned, but
I'm told neither Bean nor Pegoula was pleased with McDermott's assessment.
So basically, a little over a month ago, he spoke up,
they heard that took notes, and it seems like that
that just means that his open criticism after the way
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that game ended tells me there's no way he was
that surprised that this was the move that they made,
because if that was sort of the tone of the
meeting to where he's complaining about the roster and telling them, basically,
you guys haven't done a good enough job to get
me talent, to get us over the hump and then
they lose the way they did. I just wonder, you know,
(27:57):
what would have saved its job if they were won
that and onto an AFC title game. Does that save
his job? If they would have lost to the game
to Jacksonville, which they very well could have, clearly it
would have been out. But it seems to me like
maybe the writing was on the wall. It was a yeah,
it was on the wall.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
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Speaker 4 (28:24):
Able to find our.
Speaker 9 (28:28):
You know, and and and rightfully, so, if I'm harball,
I don't want to be in a situation where I
have to go through the GM and this that that
is the example that that has been cited. But you're
telling me that the GM is influencing and and listen,
(28:50):
I don't know the relationship with Dwayne Pagoula and and what.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
They came in together, Brandon Bean. They came in together
from Carolina, so they both were reporting to the owner,
right right.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
So, but the way I said the way it was reported,
is McDermott really really vouched and and like, you know,
kind of advocated for buddy to get the jobs?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Well, I don't know. They came in together.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Yeah, but was it McDermott that is it just all
together or is it one app setup or do you.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Just setup that they have with the Giants was similar
to what it was the Bills where the coach talked to.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
The owner and then then GM was talking the owner.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And this reads to me just on the surface of
a coach who came in and complained and then after
he left, Brandon Bean maybe started positioning himself and separating
himself from Sean McDermott should things go sideways, which might
explain why he was promoted when the coach got fired.
Joe Shane wasn't promoted. In fact, he was probably demoted
(29:53):
like if you think about it, And in this case,
Brandon Bean looks like following that conversation, talked to ulm
was like, hey man, that's his deal, Like, I'm on
your side. And then the second you know, they had
another mishap in the postseason, he was gone. Vicderma was
So it's damn power struggles in the NFL man like, well, and.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
That's that's the difficulty where you know, and I'd thrown
this out after the National Championship, like Kurtz Signetty, why
wouldn't he talk to a you know, a pro sports team.
You know, why wouldn't you want to at least entertain that?
And Marcus Freeman was that we talked about this, you know,
during the season before he came out a mid a statement.
You know you'd be interested in it. But the reality
is is like Levar's touching on too, is you don't
(30:37):
even know the ownership structure. You know, who does report
to the owner? You know, I've seen organizations where they
both do and.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
One and then here's the reality of it.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
And these structures where the head coaches talking to the
owner and the GM's talking the owner. You know, who
usually wins the GM because his resume, even though LeVar,
you're trying to claim it's attached to the record, it's
not as directly attached.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
As the coaches.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
And the other thing is when the coach is out
there coaching and OTA's and mini camp and during the
season and practice all that stuff, who do you think
the GM's with he's with the owner a lot more
so they usually have like a much a better relationship
and have their ear so when things go awry, like
they're going to survive. Even if it's equal and they're
(31:23):
both talking to the owner, it usually works out that way.
But it's one of the reasons why I sit there
and just say, like, if you're a college coach, you
have complete autonomy. You don't have to worry about someone
kneecapping you. I mean, shoot, you're some of those guys
are more powerful than the athletic directors who are technically
your boss, because you're making that much more. And once
you start winning, you do what Kurt Signetti does, He's
(31:43):
got all the leverage in the world.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
They got to renegotiate his contract again. Think about that.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
They already renegotiate his contract after last year. Then they
gave him a new contract during this season. Now, due
to the stipulations of that contract, he will then be
paid at I believe the average of like the top
three coaches in college football now, which gives him another
twelve and a half million or more. He made about
fourteen fifteen this year from their success of winning it all,
(32:11):
But now on average, he's going to make twelve and
a half or more every single year just because of
the clause they.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Put in this contract. So, I mean, it's one of those.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
Things where if you're at that college level, like why
would you even look up there where you still have
to worry about dealing with the politics of what would
be an NFL franchise.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I also wonder if you're a coach and you see
this and you realize this sort of Brandon being dynamic
now with Pagoula the owner there, Like, I wonder how
many coaches are like all right, if it's like that,
or maybe Josh Allen just supersedes all that if if
I can get an opportunity to coach him. That's why
it doesn't feel like this is going to be a
big name higher It feels like it's going to be
(32:51):
one of those like Anthony Lynn was just mentioned. I
saw that report that came out because he interviewed for
the job back in twenty seventeen. That to McDermott, So
he's going to interview for it day ball could make
some sense, you know. Joe Brady's there. I mean, he's
been He's interviewed a couple for a couple other gigs.
I just it feels like it's going to be more
(33:13):
of an in house or somebody that understands the structure
as opposed to a Harbaugh type who's going to want
that control. So we'll keep you posted on any developing
situations in the NFL regarding the coaching search here on
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Speaker 2 (34:01):
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Two pros and a cup of Joe.
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Speaker 2 (34:56):
Of course, there are some good things that hap and
there's some bad, and then there's some downright ugly things.
It's type for good, bad, and ugly.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well all right, and.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
For that we turn it over to our executive producer,
Lord Patrick Sweek Patty speaks.
Speaker 11 (35:20):
Oh jolly good Heaven's gone. I want to throw you
guys off. Come on, give it to us. Well, you
know what, I gotta give what the people want. Brady,
I'm sorry, but he's trying to.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Play the good will.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Sheriffs.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Let's round of these parts, Sheriff.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Are you're the good?
Speaker 9 (35:45):
Obviously, the college Football Playoff Championship was played and Indiana
made history, and Kirk Signetti also was making history being
the coach. And I mean, I think that's everything good
about the game of football. You got a guy, dope
(36:05):
guy and Signetty as a coach, players believe in, and
you got a bunch of guys that aren't five stars,
aren't four stars, just guys that came together and had
a common goal and teamwork paid off.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
So that's my good for the week, Indiana football. I
you who who who? Who's yours?
Speaker 11 (36:26):
Well, I know who's a who gets the but but
but but bad?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Sheriff Queen, you're up.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Oh that was bad? That was bad.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yeah, I know that was bad. It's bad, bad to
the bone.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Sheriff Quinn with us.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
I mean maybe he didn't even want to hear what
he was doing.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
Huh huh what you know what why don't we give
Sheriff Queen some extra time, Sheriff Knocks, you get the ugly.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The San Francisco forty nine Ers and Seattle Seahawks played
a playoff game on Saturday, and I said it via
text to you, guys, Man Fox.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Really got a bag of bleeps with that.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
One of all the games they got this weekend, they
got the Niners and the Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
That was brutal. I look at San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
And I go, they were limping into this game, but
I expected it to be somewhat close. And when you
open up with a kickoff return for a touchdown and
Eddie Pinero thinks he's out in the World Cup trying
to trip up Shaheed as he's running down the sideline,
that's just not great for anybody involved. So my ugly
for the week was the performance of the San Francisco
(37:34):
forty nine Ers in their game at Seattle over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Dang, I mean they were limping into it too, But all.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
Right, well, Sheriff Quinn, you get the band, sir, Probably
me having to use some dude wipes there between the
last two segments.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Wowry about that?
Speaker 7 (37:54):
Just too much darn coffee this morning man, running right
through me.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I think our entire family.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Actually the bad should be the the Quinn household is
just falling apart.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
We were able to.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Get through the holidays, I think, like healthy, but now
it's hit us and it's it's taking.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Us down one by one.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
It's just like watching like each each Quinn family member
just get taken down. They're puking, They're just puking out
of their ass through the whole thing. It's it's a
whole situation that's household right now.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
That's disgusting.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
That might have been tm I for some folks out there,
but I know there's others dealing with it. So again,
go find you some dude wives. I'm telling you, it's
like a breath bend for your ass.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Oh gosh, the visual on that was wild, Like, oh.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Okay, all I can hear in my head your mouth.
The sad thing is a.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Little a little.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
A little one year old kid is he's dealing with
it the worst right now. So it's just it's sad
seeing little babies.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
When they're sick.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Man, that's the toughest to deal with.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
On the bright side, though, we did get Country western
sweeka back in the building.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I know by popular demand, Yeah we did.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I can't check it.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Can you try a different one? Like Jonahs has a
bunch of different impressions he does. Can you do anything
other than the country on the British one for the
second time? Oh, good heavens, Brady Quinn, good heavens.
Speaker 11 (39:16):
Is it Elmo?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
You can do that?
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Scared me?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Or was it SpongeBob?
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I'm not doing this, Come on, Patty.
Speaker 9 (39:23):
SpongeBob was like, oh god, you do sound like SpongeBob.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
To break with SpongeBob that was not a really limited SpongeBob.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Come on, here's an instrument.