July 15, 2026 • 40 mins
In Hour 2 of the show, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington discuss Warde Manuel responding to the investigation and not wanting to leave. Plus, the guys hear from Folarin Balogun on what he experienced from the red card and the aftermath, we have another edition of The Good The Bad & The Ugly, and more!!
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we will have England versus Argentina. All So, we were
talking on Monday about this investigation into Michigan and the
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thought that Ward Manual, the athletic director, could be on
the way out. He decided to defend himself a little
bit because he's heard the rumblings that his job could
be in jeopardy. So Ward Manual, the athletic director for
now of Michigan, was talking with the Michigan Insights following No,
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he's still there. They're still investigating. I thought he was out.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Quote. I love this place.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
My blood, sweat and tears are somewhere in Michigan Stadium
and on the fields of play, and in cham Beckler
Hall and on the track. So if it's up to
me to face the challenges that I face to help
the student athletes, the coaches, the staff to be successful,
then that's the challenges I'm going to face. Nobody said
this job was going to be easy, and whenever I
leave Michigan. Whoever steps in here next shouldn't assume Michigan
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is easy.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't need the credit for Michigan's success, but I'm
not going to stand idly by and let people say
all this happened despite ward manual, So you know what,
good for him? Stand in his ground. I stand in
his ground, and I don't think it's going to make
any difference whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
The fact I thought I read that they were letting
him go like that it was already taking place.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But I guess, well, siezures to this right right.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
A I reported it. It must have AI is jacking
everything up, man, because I don't know what's real and
what isn't anymore like when I'd be looking around, but
I thought I did see something about that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I would generally say this. I mean, I think most
people think it's a foregone conclusion without the success that
they had winning a national championship in football and basketball.
When you go back through the Connor Stallion stuff, shroon more,
we talked about the hockey program misconduct whatever with that
Juwan Howard matt Weiss I put out, I mean there's
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there's some legit stuff, and that's that's just some of
the big items. I think most athletic directors would be
under fire, it would be under scrutiny for this, especially
at a big, blue blood, you know, university that I
hope would expect to have. You know, these issues not arise.
(04:01):
I understand, like when you have thousands of people that
are under the guise of one you know, company or university,
people are gonna make mistakes. But I also find it
odd that when there's people who are in like the
position of president or people who are in the position
of athletic director, they don't realize that even though they
may not have been intricately involved or had no knowledge
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of it, it falls under your geist. Like that's part
of the reason why you get compensated. What you get
compensated to be in a leadership position is you are
charged with then having to answer for it when something
below you happens, you know, and it doesn't matter what
it is, like that falls under watch, right or wrong.
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I think that's how society looks at it. So I'm
a bit surprised that, you know, he's maybe surprised that
some of people have spoken out or people are leaking
stuff out, because again, like and I've told you guys this.
I had heard about the stuff that was happening at
mission about you know, beginning of the season, as we're
getting kicked into it, and it felt like there was
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a lot of people who just wanted to be in
denial about it, or maybe because they backed themselves in
the corner with the conter Staions discussion and because they
won a national championship, there's like, nope, nope, this is
just more you know, more hearsaying, more people saying things
about Schrom Moore because of Michigan and the truth and
reality is, since Jim Harbaugh left, the program has been
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on in decline and now Kyle Winningham he's got to
have to build this thing back up, which I think
he's good for that, but that's the that's the issue
with it. But anyway, the fact that he's surprised by
any people who are leaguing stuff out or talking against him,
I think it's because everyone sees what's happening and they
have to make a decision. At some point, they're probably
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gonna have to move on.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
The Wall Street Journal had a report that came out
that you know, there was knowledge of Sharon Moore and
the staffer that he had the issue with previous to that,
and from the Wall Street Journal, it said one major
warning sign appeared before More even took the sideline for
his first game as a head coach. Two days before
the twenty twenty four season kicked off, Ward Manual raised
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concerns with More about the coach's close relationship with his
executive assistant, Paige Shiver. According to the law firm's findings,
I told him I don't remember if we had already discussed,
but that she couldn't accompany accompany him on trips. So
this report comes out over the weekend, then this one
comes out from the Wall Street Journal. They've already paid
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I guess Michigan has already paid eleven million dollars to
a law firm to look into all this stuff. Ward
Manual says he doesn't want to leave. He's got four
years left on his contract. It it feels like and
they've already apparently the ward Manuel also said that they
had come to him and talked about a buyout already.
So just feels like he's kind of dug in on
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this that he's not and I don't know what his
plans are after this or if you know, he's the retirement.
But it feels like he's dug in on this and
he's just not going to let them try and stain
his reputation on the way out.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But well, I mean, is his reputation stained. You gotta
believe he's I mean, you gotta believe there's nothing he
can do to prevent that stain, whatever size it may be.
He's impacted by this, right, I mean, as as Q mentioned,
the the s runs downhill, right, and and the bottom
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line is is that there was a whole lot of
stuff going on and it was on his watch. And
it's like one time, it's like you could get out,
you could, a lot of times you can't. Actually a
major college athletics, a place, an institution like Michigan. One mishap,
you don't really get grace, you don't. You don't really
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get an opportunity to bounce back from it, like that'll
be the end, because it's just it's super big. Two
times it's like, oh, that's the kid's death. You might
not get a job doing this anywhere else after this.
Three times it's like, you know, what's up, man, Like
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what's going on? But a couple of national championships mixed
in again. And if that's still not enough for him
to have insulation from this from him ended up losing
his job. I tell you how egregious it is to
have these types of things be on your resume as
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a school and as an administrator. I mean, it just
is what it is. I'm surprised there aren't conversations about
the president of the school because or whatever it is
that they call them the weather, they call it their
chancellor or head of school.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh no, it was part of these conversations. He actually,
I think was part of some of the cover up
for the connor Steian stuff. Okay, from what I've read
that's been reported, I believe he's not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, there you go. There you go that if I'm
if I'm the ad, I'm like, I'm like Nino Brown
and New Jack City.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Like.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Look, I'm a part of c m B. I'm a
part of Cash Money Brothers. But he's the leader, and
I point right at the head of the school. They're
the one that's in charge. I take maya orders from
this person right here. We work closely together. Don't y'all
pin this on me? Now? We got rid of that
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that person, we get a new person in here, Let's
clean this thing up and let's move forward. That's the
stance I would take. That's the posture I would take.
You did it, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean, it just feels like, if this is what
we know of publicly, there's gotta be and break. You know,
alluded to hearing about stuff, but there's gotta be more
that they could drop if they wanted to. And I
just wonder if it's like, all right, you're willing to
walk away now? No, okay, well here's another leak to
(10:00):
the media. Okay, what about now? No, I'm not ready yet. Okay,
well what about this when this happened?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Now? Still not ready? Okay?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I mean, we can play this game and go for
as long as we want. I just find it hard
to believe that Michigan's issues all happened within the last
four or five year stretch. But if if there's a pattern,
the pattern goes back farther than that.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But if it's that bad, don't you think they've already
started the process. As Q mentioned that the process has
already been started to fire them. You don't him to
step down, You've already had a process to get him
up out it here.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So if I'm not mistaken, and Jonas correct me if
I'm wrong, President, Oh no, I think it resigned. He
didn't get fired, but he resigned back in twenty twenty five.
But he took the it was the Florida job maybe
or he was trying to take the Florida job, but
that's he kind of saw the running on the wall
as the president of it. Ward Manu obviously, you know,
I think you realize with the basketball squad, maybe you
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stand a little bit longer, you can fly under the
radar from some of the shrap. No, that's that's your
way because of the success the athletic programs are having,
which is real. But I mean look at it this way.
He's been there ad since twenty sixteen. And I think
for any athletic director and really any coach, especially in
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college sports, for you to see what their impact is,
what their culture looks like, it's probably not until year
three or four of a program, right because the majority
of the people and players and things who are there,
it takes a couple of years for that to kind
of pass through, right, Like if it's a roster, those
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are a lot of players that the prior coach was
able to recruit, whether it's out of high school or
maybe even the transfer portal unless there's just a big
mass exodust, and sometimes that happens, but in today's sport,
but we're talking about an era that predated the transfer portal.
So if you look at like what's happened to Michigan
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in the last five years or so, like this has
been all him, Like this has been all about him,
and really since you know COVID, and that's where you
kind of looking and go, all right, it feels like
this thing is spiraling out of control at times, and
the only thing holding it together is the success that
they've had, winning a national championship in football, winning one
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in basketball. Outside of that, it's it's been pretty bad
when you actually look at the stuff that's happening. And again,
I think we tend to sweep those things under the
rug when there's success. But you know, football, I think
they'll be competitive this year. I don't know how good
they'll be. Basketball. You just had to hire one of
your assistants to Dusty May and Mike Boyden Junior to
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end up being the guy, which if we're looking at
the football program. How that worked. Going to Shrion Moore
from Jim Harbaugh, It's probably gonna be a step back,
and I think if that's the case, it probably makes
sense to reset at this point.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Got Jim Harbaugh, good move, man, get the hell out
of there. Go coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Nothing happened.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Hey, but he's not allowed to coach. He's not allowed
to be a part of college football for how many years?
Here's Yeah, he's got to serve and he's beloved.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Like he comes back as a Michigan man, as a player,
and they could be like, hey, ya can hate on
him all he wants you want, but he got us
a national type Yeah, n Ohio State. What two three
times in a row? Man harrorball got through to if
anybody pimped the system, like hardcore pimp horrorball, it's like that.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
That does also kind of and I think I forget
who made the point on Monday when we talked about
this story initially.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But it does. It does kind of give you.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It's a telltale sign that man, like, we really care
about what goes on on the field a lot more
than we do what goes on behind the scenes. Because
as long as you're winning, like a lot can be forgiven,
like a lot can be forgive. They you know, Pete
Carroll and usc like he bailed because he knew what
was about to happen. And you know, I think I
think people still think so fondly of him from his
(14:03):
time there, just because he won so much and he
did all the things he did. But you look at
just sort of there was a lot of issues there
as well too, and Harbaugh there's you come to find out, man,
there was a lot of issues behind the scenes, the
Stallion stuff, the quarterbacks coach and whatever he was doing.
You know that that forced the president out and there
was a civil lawsuit from women because you know, the
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guy got a hold of like three thousand different accounts,
and so they just like you just see.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
All that you had something like that going on too,
didn't you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, that's not true. I'm not that technically technical.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I can't just hold on hold over saying I can't
throw out a reckless allegation you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Like, No, I wouldn't do that to you.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I wouldn't do that to you, just making sure, just
making sure wouldn't happen, which, by the way, I was
working with Petros yesterday and uh.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Brady called me during one of the breaks of art.
Doesn't call me like he refuses too, And Petro said
that he was a little jealous of the fact that
we call each other. We know we talk, that we
talk because apparently to the up top boys, Yeah but
you and I shirt that should be a shirt, but
two white hands high fiving up top top.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Actually, Actually, what what I'd envisioned for this is a
is the the bodies of Tom Cruise and the other
actor and in top gun at the volleyball courts and
then like our faces our heads on as their top gun.
That's the what what I've envisioned for.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good move.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I wish I could do it together.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That works.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Percentage chances that ward manual gets fired.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Can I go over a hundred or does that have
to be does it stop at one hundred?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't know if it makes any sense to go
over one hundred, but you can if you want.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'll go one hundred and a half. That he gets
fired far oh, fired, fired, fired, fired, fired. I'm gonna
go zero percent that he gets fired. What do you
think he does? Steps down Okay, Yeah, they're going to
convince him to step down. They're gonna put something in
front of him that gets him the steps. Based on
that statement, he seems like he's dug in.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, here's the problem. You resign, you can't sue, you
can't claw back any of that those four years. So
maybe they settle.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's what I'm telling you. They're gonna offer him something
that that he's okay with walking away, because basically he's
gonna he's gonna, He's telling them right now. You do
understand this ruins me. If I have to leave here
based upon what's out there and what has happened, I
have to leave here knowing that I can't. I can't,
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I can't recover from this.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
To that point, and not that honestly, I mean, what's
happened in Michigan is way worse, like not even in
the same category as comparing to Jim Dressel. But just
look how small of an issue that was. We're talking
about tattoos, right, Like, dudes were getting free tattoos in
exchange for what state inatures or memorabilia whatever. It was.
(17:11):
Not only did he have to step down as the
head coach at Ohio State, someone who would won a
national championship, who'd been to multiple national championships during that span,
was bringing back prior to the State of Ohio for
beating Michigan on a consistent basis. But like even do
you recall he had to sit out because he was
consulting or he was part of the Colts coaching staff.
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The NFL even made him set out for a period
of time before he could come back and coach right away.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Had he never coached again after Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, no, and he and I know he was at
Youngstown State or maybe still be it and worked as
like the president all that, but it's it's crazy to
think though to that point, like these are the sort
of things that can scar your resume forever and even
with the success, and that's how everyone will remember Jim
Trussell is a national championship winning coach. To me, he's
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the guy who turned the tide for Ohio State. I
mean again, I grew up during an era where you know,
Lloyd Carr, Michigan, they had gotten the best of Ohio State.
Ohio State had equally as if not more, talent on
those teams, and somehow, some way, every year, Michigan would
find a way to win, and Jim Trussell got there.
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He sat there in Saint John's Arena and made that
announcement that he's going to make the you know, Buckeye
Nation proud. And he did that very first year beating
Michigan and it started, it started to turn the tide.
But for for everything he did there and everything he's
remembered for, it's crazy to think he never got another opportunity.
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He is an incredible coach, incredible man, and all because
of the little things. Now. Look, I don't know Ward
Manual as well. From all my interactions with him, he's
a really good guy. I mean he really is. And
you know, I could I could see someone in his
position being caught off guard by a lot of what
was going on. But that being said, you still have
to account for it like that. That's why you get
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paid the big bucks. And that's just the reality of it.
Whether it's right, wrong or different. Again, that's why you
get paid the big bucks. Being those positions.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Tressel took the consultant job he like, replay review assistant
on game days with the Colts, but still got suspended
the first six games of the season, right because of that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
About it, by the way, like.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
That's way worse and it's like whatever, hey listen, you know,
go Chargers, Like he's living in a win a bag
on the beach.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
If you think about Roger Goodell when he first took
over as commissioner and the stance that he took in
the end, I mean, he really was like the police,
like he was trying his best to get order back
in for the shield. I mean, it didn't matter if
you were a coach, player or whatever like he was.
He was just it was he was over top of
all of that. I mean, that's that's how ridiculous it was.
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Now you look, you know what fifteen you know, almost
twenty years later, not quite the same. They're not quite
the same with some of these issues.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That are occurring off I just wonder how many careers
were jeopardized or ruined or short lived because they were
punished for an infraction that you would look at now
and go, wait.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Really like that that that's that's why you got popped.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
But that's the hard part about looking back at is
is it was still against the rules, right, so what
we just we feel different about it. Because now it's
like NIL is legal, it's like, well, okay, dude, we'll
let everyone then play by the same rules. I mean,
you look at the SEC now and a lot of
the you know, I don't know if it's if people
who just don't want to recognize the trend that's happened
in the last few years since NIL has been legalized, but
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you know, the conference with more money tends to be
doing better. And again, people can argue all they want
and say, well, you know, it's just the top few
teams and the SEC buy and large. Okay, well that
hasn't shown itself to be the case in the post,
hasn't shown itself to be the case when the SEC
and Big ten play each other. So you can make
(21:06):
those statements, but it's not the reality that we're all
living in. And it can be directly tied to money
and the fact that these schools have more money to
put into the rosters to pay better players, and before
that was happening, if you were doing that under the table,
guess what, you have a lot more competition now. So
I just you know, if we want to go back
(21:27):
and look at that, it's fine, But like, still there
were things that were happening that weren't right, that created
some inequities in the game of college football.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
And well, I'll say this, man, I bet you didn't
impact their tailgates. And I respect that. They still had
a great time. And you know what you can do
if you have the right pickup truck. That is, it's
got to be built to do the job without making
a fuss. That's the Nissan Frontier. People built for the
work week and ready to load up for the tailgates
(21:55):
on the weekends. That's the twenty twenty six Nissan Frontier.
Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Top.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, two white hands, just high five anything that would land. Oh,
by the way, it doesn't have to be just we
could do different versions.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Nobody get bothered if you say it two black hands
up top. You say two white hands, people get a
little tight.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Check check your iPhone. Look at all the different emojis.
Well they're yellow. There's a lot of pale in there too.
We've got all sorts of options.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So they somehow found a way of incorporating Jonah's skin tone.
It did great.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I feel represented about time white his paper time. They
didn't have that they have different colored band aids, don't they?
And the uh, the first aid kid over here.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They got tired of trying to match people's skin color.
They was like, f it, we're going clear, I.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Do I was gonna say, I do appreciate the people
who are like they're trying to like be nice and
they try to have everyone's skin color and all stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You see some of the like who shell did I
get this one from?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Think of all colorful? You know it's like a lime
green or like highlight or orange. It's like that way
no one could be upset.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
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FIFA World Cup live. And speaking of the World Cup,
Spain beat France to nothing and later on today we
will have England versus Argentina. You noticed I didn't give
an update or a score for the US game yesterday
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in the World Cup. That's because they got stomped out
by Belgium in Seattle in front of a bunch of
heartbroken people who were run around with sparklers and new
USA gear that they bought. But if you listen to Balligan,
who was the man of conversation mini conversation in and
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around the US's run to try and capture something other
than a final Round of sixteen appearance at the World Cup,
if you listen to him the way he explains it,
you know on CBS Mornings, you know, look, man, he
had a feeling that things were going to go sideways,
just based on the team and the way they handled things.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
My initial reaction was, you know, I was happy to
be back in the team. But when I kind of
started to reflect, I knew it was going to cause
a lot of controversy and I could almost see within
my teammates a bit of nerves because it was something
that's so unique. But the closer we got to the game,
I tried to just focus as best as I could,
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but it was difficult. You know, a lot of outside noise,
and that's that's hard to avoid.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
That's what it was That's what it was. That's why
they lost. No, I got it.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, not that you played your worst possible game at
the worst possible time, right, Like, I mean, one, was
there not pressure on the fact that you guys actually
were now you know, in a sudden death scenario where
you you know, are trying to get further than any
US men's team has ever gotten. Was that not pressure enough?
I mean, the way people talked about this team, the
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way the team played, people had high expectations. So I
guess the reality is and this is what I'm getting.
This is part of maybe the issue with the US
men's national team is they can't handle a bunch of pressure.
So don't ever expect them to go deep into the
World Cup because if they can't handle the outside pressure,
regardless of how it came about, we're never gonna have
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a chance of winning.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I just you know, I don't have very much to
say about it. Why because it's soccer. Uh, you know,
it's soccer. Like he you know, he felt the controversy
coming because of the red card. You know, feelings were
going to be high and running on highs, a lot
on the line, a lot at steak. Let me ask
you guys this, do you feel like the red cart
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was warranted? And if the red cart was warranted, then
does that like it seems like to me in a
tournament of such high high stakes, why wouldn't you don't
you have enough control to stay away from getting cards
(28:39):
like that would lead to you getting a red card?
Or is it or is it that some way, somehow,
playing the way that you play has to potentially lead
to you getting carded? That would be the question I
would would be interested.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
In, what exactly are you are you asking.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Just in terms of knowing how critical it is the
impact that getting a rig card would have on your team,
Like can't you stay away from getting a rig card,
like stay away from getting personal fouls or stay away
from getting technical fouls? Right? But there are some players
that that's exactly what they do, and that's exactly what
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they intend to do, and their roles aren't connected to it.
How would that play out in soccer? Is what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So the tough part with this is it really was
like incidental, and so I think most people felt like
the red card, which was brought on more for replay.
I don't believe it was called actually on the field,
was a byproduct of kind of slowing it down and
officiating the play because they're trying to eliminate you know,
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guys spikes they're hitting up on another player's legs. But
in this case, both players running for the ball. It
wasn't malicious in any way, and I think it was
a little overreach there. So every situation circumstance is different,
I mean, no different than the Harry Kane red car
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we talked about before too, or maybe that wasn't a
red car but it ended up in like a PK.
There are certain elements that they're trying to implement safety
to the sport that maybe it's a bit of overreach
because it can turn the tide of a game, you know,
rather drastically. So I don't know exactly how to answer
your question, because I don't think the guy did anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, but that's kind of the question.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Because it's not like in targeting, which which is a
bit subjective, but when you see a player who goes
head hunting, you can tell a bit right, that wasn't this.
This wasn't like a guy running over to go cleat him,
or he got shoved to play before and he was
trying to get him back, or there was like a
back and forth. It was just a ball that was
played out that was tight. They're both trying to get it,
and as he reached his foot out, it hit the
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guy's leg the way it hit it. So it's just
I don't know, I don't know how to answer that
question for this scenario, because it doesn't really feel warranted.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Okay, because I think that, you know, if it was
just a style of play issue, then that's you know,
a bigger conversation just about how they operate things. I
think this one clearly it was a bad call, but
the idea that, you know, all of a sudden, there
was this pressure, and he just had this feeling that
with all the outside noise that they weren't going to respond.
I would have assumed that they would have given you
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momentum that it would have given you all of a sudden,
you know, hey, listen, this is a you know, a
second lease on life. Like we've we've got our guy
back and we're ready to go, and we're at home
and there's all this you know, everything buzzing and building
and then all of a sudden, the game started. And
it was pretty obvious to everybody, they're nowhere close And
(31:52):
if you've watched any team beyond Belgium, find me one
that they would have been close with. Like, there's just
why can't we just all take a step back and
just realize Soccer's not our thing. It's just not you
know what I mean, It's just not what we do.
We just were not able to do this. You know,
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there's certain fast food restaurants who realize, you know, man,
maybe you know, chicken tenders just aren't our thing. Let's
focus on what it is that we do good and
let's just worry about that and leave sushi and everything
else to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Like, soccer's is not our thing.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
So b hey, you got to the final round of sixteen,
all right, it's better than not making it and go
from there. But this hole all the outside noise, and
it was this that took place, and that that took place. No,
we're just not good enough to be considered one of
the elites when it comes to all this.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's that's fair. Again, I think that's a that's a
larger conversation in terms of what you're doing to become elite,
at what you're becoming. If kids in America did for
soccer what they do to become better and best baketball
in football, then we would be the best in the
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world at playing soccer. I just believe that from the
time you start playing football the time you start playing basketball,
the amount of specialized training that goes into it. If
our elite athletes were to be doing soccer versus football
or basketball to that degree, then I would say, like,
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for instance, is anybody better than us in basketball? No,
they've closed the gap, but they're not as good as us.
If we were to play football again, like I said,
they'd be out there playing dodgeball. The linemen would be
playing dodgeball with people, unless we were playing against like
you know, like I don't know a Japanese team or
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a Chinese team. Like if it was sumo wrestlers, that'd
be different. You're not going to play dodgeball with them.
I always wonder why sumo wrestlers don't play footba, but
that's a whole nother conversation. But I do not think
that there would be any nation that would be able
to stand up to us in football at all. Wouldn't
even be close. So to me, the reason why that
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gap is so large is that the best athletes are
specializing and more focused in on the sports that they're
specializing and focused in on, and it's not soccer. Our
best athletes are not representing our country playing soccer. And
I'm sorry because that may offend some people because it's like,
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you have literally professional soccer players. I don't want to
sound like I'm being you know, kind of just minimizing
them and what their capabilities are, but I'm just saying,
if you stack up the best soccer players for America
against our best athletes in other sports, I don't think
that you have that same you know, disparity in these
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these countries that have the most elite soccer players, their
most elite athletes are playing soccer. From the jump, that's
not us. That's not us, that's not what we're doing.
And I think that that's if that were to ever change,
which it won't, but if that were to ever change,
then we could have a conversation. But it's like you
can't sit there and say, well, why can't we be
(35:23):
with the elites of the elites when our most elite
athletes aren't playing soccer.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, by the way, it's just you know, getting exposed
every four years. Not that bad, right, Yeah, deal with that.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
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We shouldn't row a standard. No one wants to lower
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Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
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Speaker 6 (36:50):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well Sheriff's week, Oh god, well, who's got what duty?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
What this week?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Well, I'll tell you what, Sheriff. We have a new
good this week. Partners and no it's not share sticks,
but that'll come in a few. But our good of
the week is the good old Constable Queen himself, go
for a partner.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I was gonna say a number of things the World Cup.
It's been fun, it's it's getting closer to the end.
Although I don't feel like LeVar would say that, so
I can't say that I was gonna say, the All
Star Game, but the game was honestly crappy. Maybe the
home run Derby. Like the home Run Derby was good.
That was a lot of fun, Last Last out, Last
(37:52):
pitch heroics. I guess everyonet to call it. But it's
been a tad week for sports. I'll be honest with you,
it's been tough. So I guess I'm gonna go with
the home run Derby. I feel like you gave me
it this week because it was a tough week and
you didn't want to continue to streak with the var.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's interesting, No, it's it's rotation, partners.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Rotation rose the last three weeks to actually, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Last two, but you guys and Jonas took it.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, we took it from them. Yeah one of them
was actually his weeks. But but yeah, but anyways, that
was our good of the week partners. It's time for
the bed. The bed is well. We deputed knocks shoot
from the hip to the son of a Bitch.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I decided to clip the front of my truck and
then just take off nice nothing man.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Take that. Take that, Jonas.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
I'm gonna have to pay at least fifteen to twenty
bucks to Buffer that thing out and I'm going to
do it myself. But it's very obvious, very obvious, what
happened here. I don't believe it was anybody in this
parking structure because you know, there's not enough cars parking.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Structure to do it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
So I'm trying to I've been trying to piece together
exactly where it would have taken place.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Might have been. I just for whatever it is, just
know it's not a nice thing to do.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Own up, be accountable, and it doesn't matter if I've
done it also at some point in my life, it's
just not nice.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's rude.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Learn how to park, learn how to back out of
parking spots, and stop trying it. Maybe it's one of
these people that back into parking spots that throw off
the math for everybody else in a parking lot. But
the point is get it together, learn how to drive,
refreshing up your driving skills, and just look around space
spatial awareness.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
As my good friend LeVar Arrington would like to refer
to it as that's my bad for the week.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
All right, Well, now we have our ugly and sheriff
sticks the honors yours shoot from the head park.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. We're in that
football purgatory, you know place right now, there's no football
worth watching, and we were we were left to try
to talk about other sports, and preferably so, I mean,
I guess soccer and and it's just boring and and
(40:14):
love Allen just finished up. So now I don't have
bonding time with my wife and my daughter. It's it's
just me and sticks. And well that's kind of ugly.
That's my ugly for the week. Yeah, what's wrong with
having sticks? You guys get to hang out on the beach.
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World Cup, Spain beat France to nothing or to nil,
however you want to call it. And later on today
we will have England versus Argentina. All So, we were
talking on Monday about this investigation into Michigan and the
(01:43):
thought that Ward Manual, the athletic director, could be on
the way out. He decided to defend himself a little
bit because he's heard the rumblings that his job could
be in jeopardy. So Ward Manual, the athletic director for
now of Michigan, was talking with the Michigan Insights following No,
(02:04):
he's still there. They're still investigating. I thought he was out.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Quote. I love this place.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
My blood, sweat and tears are somewhere in Michigan Stadium
and on the fields of play, and in cham Beckler
Hall and on the track. So if it's up to
me to face the challenges that I face to help
the student athletes, the coaches, the staff to be successful,
then that's the challenges I'm going to face. Nobody said
this job was going to be easy, and whenever I
leave Michigan. Whoever steps in here next shouldn't assume Michigan
(02:34):
is easy.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't need the credit for Michigan's success, but I'm
not going to stand idly by and let people say
all this happened despite ward manual, So you know what,
good for him? Stand in his ground. I stand in
his ground, and I don't think it's going to make
any difference whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
The fact I thought I read that they were letting
him go like that it was already taking place.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But I guess, well, siezures to this right right.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
A I reported it. It must have AI is jacking
everything up, man, because I don't know what's real and
what isn't anymore like when I'd be looking around, but
I thought I did see something about that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I would generally say this. I mean, I think most
people think it's a foregone conclusion without the success that
they had winning a national championship in football and basketball.
When you go back through the Connor Stallion stuff, shroon more,
we talked about the hockey program misconduct whatever with that
Juwan Howard matt Weiss I put out, I mean there's
(03:40):
there's some legit stuff, and that's that's just some of
the big items. I think most athletic directors would be
under fire, it would be under scrutiny for this, especially
at a big, blue blood, you know, university that I
hope would expect to have. You know, these issues not arise.
(04:01):
I understand, like when you have thousands of people that
are under the guise of one you know, company or university,
people are gonna make mistakes. But I also find it
odd that when there's people who are in like the
position of president or people who are in the position
of athletic director, they don't realize that even though they
may not have been intricately involved or had no knowledge
(04:24):
of it, it falls under your geist. Like that's part
of the reason why you get compensated. What you get
compensated to be in a leadership position is you are
charged with then having to answer for it when something
below you happens, you know, and it doesn't matter what
it is, like that falls under watch, right or wrong.
(04:45):
I think that's how society looks at it. So I'm
a bit surprised that, you know, he's maybe surprised that
some of people have spoken out or people are leaking
stuff out, because again, like and I've told you guys this.
I had heard about the stuff that was happening at
mission about you know, beginning of the season, as we're
getting kicked into it, and it felt like there was
(05:07):
a lot of people who just wanted to be in
denial about it, or maybe because they backed themselves in
the corner with the conter Staions discussion and because they
won a national championship, there's like, nope, nope, this is
just more you know, more hearsaying, more people saying things
about Schrom Moore because of Michigan and the truth and
reality is, since Jim Harbaugh left, the program has been
(05:28):
on in decline and now Kyle Winningham he's got to
have to build this thing back up, which I think
he's good for that, but that's the that's the issue
with it. But anyway, the fact that he's surprised by
any people who are leaguing stuff out or talking against him,
I think it's because everyone sees what's happening and they
have to make a decision. At some point, they're probably
(05:49):
gonna have to move on.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
The Wall Street Journal had a report that came out
that you know, there was knowledge of Sharon Moore and
the staffer that he had the issue with previous to that,
and from the Wall Street Journal, it said one major
warning sign appeared before More even took the sideline for
his first game as a head coach. Two days before
the twenty twenty four season kicked off, Ward Manual raised
(06:14):
concerns with More about the coach's close relationship with his
executive assistant, Paige Shiver. According to the law firm's findings,
I told him I don't remember if we had already discussed,
but that she couldn't accompany accompany him on trips. So
this report comes out over the weekend, then this one
comes out from the Wall Street Journal. They've already paid
(06:35):
I guess Michigan has already paid eleven million dollars to
a law firm to look into all this stuff. Ward
Manual says he doesn't want to leave. He's got four
years left on his contract. It it feels like and
they've already apparently the ward Manuel also said that they
had come to him and talked about a buyout already.
So just feels like he's kind of dug in on
(06:55):
this that he's not and I don't know what his
plans are after this or if you know, he's the retirement.
But it feels like he's dug in on this and
he's just not going to let them try and stain
his reputation on the way out.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But well, I mean, is his reputation stained. You gotta
believe he's I mean, you gotta believe there's nothing he
can do to prevent that stain, whatever size it may be.
He's impacted by this, right, I mean, as as Q mentioned,
the the s runs downhill, right, and and the bottom
(07:30):
line is is that there was a whole lot of
stuff going on and it was on his watch. And
it's like one time, it's like you could get out,
you could, a lot of times you can't. Actually a
major college athletics, a place, an institution like Michigan. One mishap,
you don't really get grace, you don't. You don't really
(07:51):
get an opportunity to bounce back from it, like that'll
be the end, because it's just it's super big. Two
times it's like, oh, that's the kid's death. You might
not get a job doing this anywhere else after this.
Three times it's like, you know, what's up, man, Like
(08:12):
what's going on? But a couple of national championships mixed
in again. And if that's still not enough for him
to have insulation from this from him ended up losing
his job. I tell you how egregious it is to
have these types of things be on your resume as
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a school and as an administrator. I mean, it just
is what it is. I'm surprised there aren't conversations about
the president of the school because or whatever it is
that they call them the weather, they call it their
chancellor or head of school.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh no, it was part of these conversations. He actually,
I think was part of some of the cover up
for the connor Steian stuff. Okay, from what I've read
that's been reported, I believe he's not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, there you go. There you go that if I'm
if I'm the ad, I'm like, I'm like Nino Brown
and New Jack City.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Like.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Look, I'm a part of c m B. I'm a
part of Cash Money Brothers. But he's the leader, and
I point right at the head of the school. They're
the one that's in charge. I take maya orders from
this person right here. We work closely together. Don't y'all
pin this on me? Now? We got rid of that
(09:28):
that person, we get a new person in here, Let's
clean this thing up and let's move forward. That's the
stance I would take. That's the posture I would take.
You did it, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean, it just feels like, if this is what
we know of publicly, there's gotta be and break. You know,
alluded to hearing about stuff, but there's gotta be more
that they could drop if they wanted to. And I
just wonder if it's like, all right, you're willing to
walk away now? No, okay, well here's another leak to
(10:00):
the media. Okay, what about now? No, I'm not ready yet. Okay,
well what about this when this happened?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Now? Still not ready? Okay?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I mean, we can play this game and go for
as long as we want. I just find it hard
to believe that Michigan's issues all happened within the last
four or five year stretch. But if if there's a pattern,
the pattern goes back farther than that.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But if it's that bad, don't you think they've already
started the process. As Q mentioned that the process has
already been started to fire them. You don't him to
step down, You've already had a process to get him
up out it here.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So if I'm not mistaken, and Jonas correct me if
I'm wrong, President, Oh no, I think it resigned. He
didn't get fired, but he resigned back in twenty twenty five.
But he took the it was the Florida job maybe
or he was trying to take the Florida job, but
that's he kind of saw the running on the wall
as the president of it. Ward Manu obviously, you know,
I think you realize with the basketball squad, maybe you
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stand a little bit longer, you can fly under the
radar from some of the shrap. No, that's that's your
way because of the success the athletic programs are having,
which is real. But I mean look at it this way.
He's been there ad since twenty sixteen. And I think
for any athletic director and really any coach, especially in
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college sports, for you to see what their impact is,
what their culture looks like, it's probably not until year
three or four of a program, right because the majority
of the people and players and things who are there,
it takes a couple of years for that to kind
of pass through, right, Like if it's a roster, those
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are a lot of players that the prior coach was
able to recruit, whether it's out of high school or
maybe even the transfer portal unless there's just a big
mass exodust, and sometimes that happens, but in today's sport,
but we're talking about an era that predated the transfer portal.
So if you look at like what's happened to Michigan
(11:56):
in the last five years or so, like this has
been all him, Like this has been all about him,
and really since you know COVID, and that's where you
kind of looking and go, all right, it feels like
this thing is spiraling out of control at times, and
the only thing holding it together is the success that
they've had, winning a national championship in football, winning one
(12:18):
in basketball. Outside of that, it's it's been pretty bad
when you actually look at the stuff that's happening. And again,
I think we tend to sweep those things under the
rug when there's success. But you know, football, I think
they'll be competitive this year. I don't know how good
they'll be. Basketball. You just had to hire one of
your assistants to Dusty May and Mike Boyden Junior to
(12:39):
end up being the guy, which if we're looking at
the football program. How that worked. Going to Shrion Moore
from Jim Harbaugh, It's probably gonna be a step back,
and I think if that's the case, it probably makes
sense to reset at this point.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Got Jim Harbaugh, good move, man, get the hell out
of there. Go coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Nothing happened.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Hey, but he's not allowed to coach. He's not allowed
to be a part of college football for how many years?
Here's Yeah, he's got to serve and he's beloved.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Like he comes back as a Michigan man, as a player,
and they could be like, hey, ya can hate on
him all he wants you want, but he got us
a national type Yeah, n Ohio State. What two three
times in a row? Man harrorball got through to if
anybody pimped the system, like hardcore pimp horrorball, it's like that.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
That does also kind of and I think I forget
who made the point on Monday when we talked about
this story initially.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But it does. It does kind of give you.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It's a telltale sign that man, like, we really care
about what goes on on the field a lot more
than we do what goes on behind the scenes. Because
as long as you're winning, like a lot can be forgiven,
like a lot can be forgive. They you know, Pete
Carroll and usc like he bailed because he knew what
was about to happen. And you know, I think I
think people still think so fondly of him from his
(14:03):
time there, just because he won so much and he
did all the things he did. But you look at
just sort of there was a lot of issues there
as well too, and Harbaugh there's you come to find out, man,
there was a lot of issues behind the scenes, the
Stallion stuff, the quarterbacks coach and whatever he was doing.
You know that that forced the president out and there
was a civil lawsuit from women because you know, the
(14:24):
guy got a hold of like three thousand different accounts,
and so they just like you just see.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
All that you had something like that going on too,
didn't you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, that's not true. I'm not that technically technical.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I can't just hold on hold over saying I can't
throw out a reckless allegation you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Like, No, I wouldn't do that to you.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I wouldn't do that to you, just making sure, just
making sure wouldn't happen, which, by the way, I was
working with Petros yesterday and uh.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Brady called me during one of the breaks of art.
Doesn't call me like he refuses too, And Petro said
that he was a little jealous of the fact that
we call each other. We know we talk, that we
talk because apparently to the up top boys, Yeah but
you and I shirt that should be a shirt, but
two white hands high fiving up top top.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Actually, Actually, what what I'd envisioned for this is a
is the the bodies of Tom Cruise and the other
actor and in top gun at the volleyball courts and
then like our faces our heads on as their top gun.
That's the what what I've envisioned for.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good move.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I wish I could do it together.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That works.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Percentage chances that ward manual gets fired.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Can I go over a hundred or does that have
to be does it stop at one hundred?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't know if it makes any sense to go
over one hundred, but you can if you want.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'll go one hundred and a half. That he gets
fired far oh, fired, fired, fired, fired, fired. I'm gonna
go zero percent that he gets fired. What do you
think he does? Steps down Okay, Yeah, they're going to
convince him to step down. They're gonna put something in
front of him that gets him the steps. Based on
that statement, he seems like he's dug in.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, here's the problem. You resign, you can't sue, you
can't claw back any of that those four years. So
maybe they settle.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's what I'm telling you. They're gonna offer him something
that that he's okay with walking away, because basically he's
gonna he's gonna, He's telling them right now. You do
understand this ruins me. If I have to leave here
based upon what's out there and what has happened, I
have to leave here knowing that I can't. I can't,
(16:46):
I can't recover from this.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
To that point, and not that honestly, I mean, what's
happened in Michigan is way worse, like not even in
the same category as comparing to Jim Dressel. But just
look how small of an issue that was. We're talking
about tattoos, right, Like, dudes were getting free tattoos in
exchange for what state inatures or memorabilia whatever. It was.
(17:11):
Not only did he have to step down as the
head coach at Ohio State, someone who would won a
national championship, who'd been to multiple national championships during that span,
was bringing back prior to the State of Ohio for
beating Michigan on a consistent basis. But like even do
you recall he had to sit out because he was
consulting or he was part of the Colts coaching staff.
(17:34):
The NFL even made him set out for a period
of time before he could come back and coach right away.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Had he never coached again after Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, no, and he and I know he was at
Youngstown State or maybe still be it and worked as
like the president all that, but it's it's crazy to
think though to that point, like these are the sort
of things that can scar your resume forever and even
with the success, and that's how everyone will remember Jim
Trussell is a national championship winning coach. To me, he's
(18:03):
the guy who turned the tide for Ohio State. I
mean again, I grew up during an era where you know,
Lloyd Carr, Michigan, they had gotten the best of Ohio State.
Ohio State had equally as if not more, talent on
those teams, and somehow, some way, every year, Michigan would
find a way to win, and Jim Trussell got there.
(18:24):
He sat there in Saint John's Arena and made that
announcement that he's going to make the you know, Buckeye
Nation proud. And he did that very first year beating
Michigan and it started, it started to turn the tide.
But for for everything he did there and everything he's
remembered for, it's crazy to think he never got another opportunity.
(18:44):
He is an incredible coach, incredible man, and all because
of the little things. Now. Look, I don't know Ward
Manual as well. From all my interactions with him, he's
a really good guy. I mean he really is. And
you know, I could I could see someone in his
position being caught off guard by a lot of what
was going on. But that being said, you still have
to account for it like that. That's why you get
(19:06):
paid the big bucks. And that's just the reality of it.
Whether it's right, wrong or different. Again, that's why you
get paid the big bucks. Being those positions.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Tressel took the consultant job he like, replay review assistant
on game days with the Colts, but still got suspended
the first six games of the season, right because of that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
About it, by the way, like.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
That's way worse and it's like whatever, hey listen, you know,
go Chargers, Like he's living in a win a bag
on the beach.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
If you think about Roger Goodell when he first took
over as commissioner and the stance that he took in
the end, I mean, he really was like the police,
like he was trying his best to get order back
in for the shield. I mean, it didn't matter if
you were a coach, player or whatever like he was.
He was just it was he was over top of
all of that. I mean, that's that's how ridiculous it was.
(20:01):
Now you look, you know what fifteen you know, almost
twenty years later, not quite the same. They're not quite
the same with some of these issues.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That are occurring off I just wonder how many careers
were jeopardized or ruined or short lived because they were
punished for an infraction that you would look at now
and go, wait.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Really like that that that's that's why you got popped.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
But that's the hard part about looking back at is
is it was still against the rules, right, so what
we just we feel different about it. Because now it's
like NIL is legal, it's like, well, okay, dude, we'll
let everyone then play by the same rules. I mean,
you look at the SEC now and a lot of
the you know, I don't know if it's if people
who just don't want to recognize the trend that's happened
in the last few years since NIL has been legalized, but
(20:43):
you know, the conference with more money tends to be
doing better. And again, people can argue all they want
and say, well, you know, it's just the top few
teams and the SEC buy and large. Okay, well that
hasn't shown itself to be the case in the post,
hasn't shown itself to be the case when the SEC
and Big ten play each other. So you can make
(21:06):
those statements, but it's not the reality that we're all
living in. And it can be directly tied to money
and the fact that these schools have more money to
put into the rosters to pay better players, and before
that was happening, if you were doing that under the table,
guess what, you have a lot more competition now. So
I just you know, if we want to go back
(21:27):
and look at that, it's fine, But like, still there
were things that were happening that weren't right, that created
some inequities in the game of college football.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
And well, I'll say this, man, I bet you didn't
impact their tailgates. And I respect that. They still had
a great time. And you know what you can do
if you have the right pickup truck. That is, it's
got to be built to do the job without making
a fuss. That's the Nissan Frontier. People built for the
work week and ready to load up for the tailgates
(21:55):
on the weekends. That's the twenty twenty six Nissan Frontier.
Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Top.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, two white hands, just high five anything that would land. Oh,
by the way, it doesn't have to be just we
could do different versions.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Nobody get bothered if you say it two black hands
up top. You say two white hands, people get a
little tight.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Check check your iPhone. Look at all the different emojis.
Well they're yellow. There's a lot of pale in there too.
We've got all sorts of options.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So they somehow found a way of incorporating Jonah's skin tone.
It did great.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I feel represented about time white his paper time. They
didn't have that they have different colored band aids, don't they?
And the uh, the first aid kid over here.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They got tired of trying to match people's skin color.
They was like, f it, we're going clear, I.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Do I was gonna say, I do appreciate the people
who are like they're trying to like be nice and
they try to have everyone's skin color and all stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You see some of the like who shell did I
get this one from?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Think of all colorful? You know it's like a lime
green or like highlight or orange. It's like that way
no one could be upset.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right, Well, look man, you got to look aliens. Let's
go clear.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You know that's right. Clear will work too, Clear will
work for you. You know, clear, we'll get the job.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
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Speaker 1 (23:48):
We'll get into that for you here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
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Speaker 7 (24:04):
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Speaker 1 (24:41):
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Speaker 6 (24:47):
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Speaker 1 (24:47):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Whoa?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Why are you so aggressive towards me, Geez, I don't
know what's the problem is. You act like I'm calling
the shots here Behind the scenes, they're just playing bangers today.
Oh okay, Loreno was playing Primus last hour, Ramstein this hour.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Let's go okay, Warrior Dog, I could dig it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
By the way, coming up in about fifteen minutes from now,
we are going to have our midweek awards, the Good,
the Bad, and the ugly. We're going to find out
whether or not LeVar has the good the third week
in a row, and whether or not Patty will be
taken to task for that sheriff sweek a here, so
we'll get into that before you again about fifteen minutes
from now on FSR. By the way, the excitement of
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Spain beat France to nothing and later on today we
will have England versus Argentina. You noticed I didn't give
an update or a score for the US game yesterday
(25:58):
in the World Cup. That's because they got stomped out
by Belgium in Seattle in front of a bunch of
heartbroken people who were run around with sparklers and new
USA gear that they bought. But if you listen to Balligan,
who was the man of conversation mini conversation in and
(26:19):
around the US's run to try and capture something other
than a final Round of sixteen appearance at the World Cup,
if you listen to him the way he explains it,
you know on CBS Mornings, you know, look, man, he
had a feeling that things were going to go sideways,
just based on the team and the way they handled things.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
My initial reaction was, you know, I was happy to
be back in the team. But when I kind of
started to reflect, I knew it was going to cause
a lot of controversy and I could almost see within
my teammates a bit of nerves because it was something
that's so unique. But the closer we got to the game,
I tried to just focus as best as I could,
(27:00):
but it was difficult. You know, a lot of outside noise,
and that's that's hard to avoid.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
That's what it was That's what it was. That's why
they lost. No, I got it.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, not that you played your worst possible game at
the worst possible time, right, Like, I mean, one, was
there not pressure on the fact that you guys actually
were now you know, in a sudden death scenario where
you you know, are trying to get further than any
US men's team has ever gotten. Was that not pressure enough?
I mean, the way people talked about this team, the
(27:29):
way the team played, people had high expectations. So I
guess the reality is and this is what I'm getting.
This is part of maybe the issue with the US
men's national team is they can't handle a bunch of pressure.
So don't ever expect them to go deep into the
World Cup because if they can't handle the outside pressure,
regardless of how it came about, we're never gonna have
(27:51):
a chance of winning.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I just you know, I don't have very much to
say about it. Why because it's soccer. Uh, you know,
it's soccer. Like he you know, he felt the controversy
coming because of the red card. You know, feelings were
going to be high and running on highs, a lot
on the line, a lot at steak. Let me ask
you guys this, do you feel like the red cart
(28:18):
was warranted? And if the red cart was warranted, then
does that like it seems like to me in a
tournament of such high high stakes, why wouldn't you don't
you have enough control to stay away from getting cards
(28:39):
like that would lead to you getting a red card?
Or is it or is it that some way, somehow,
playing the way that you play has to potentially lead
to you getting carded? That would be the question I
would would be interested.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
In, what exactly are you are you asking.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Just in terms of knowing how critical it is the
impact that getting a rig card would have on your team,
Like can't you stay away from getting a rig card,
like stay away from getting personal fouls or stay away
from getting technical fouls? Right? But there are some players
that that's exactly what they do, and that's exactly what
(29:25):
they intend to do, and their roles aren't connected to it.
How would that play out in soccer? Is what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So the tough part with this is it really was
like incidental, and so I think most people felt like
the red card, which was brought on more for replay.
I don't believe it was called actually on the field,
was a byproduct of kind of slowing it down and
officiating the play because they're trying to eliminate you know,
(29:54):
guys spikes they're hitting up on another player's legs. But
in this case, both players running for the ball. It
wasn't malicious in any way, and I think it was
a little overreach there. So every situation circumstance is different,
I mean, no different than the Harry Kane red car
(30:15):
we talked about before too, or maybe that wasn't a
red car but it ended up in like a PK.
There are certain elements that they're trying to implement safety
to the sport that maybe it's a bit of overreach
because it can turn the tide of a game, you know,
rather drastically. So I don't know exactly how to answer
your question, because I don't think the guy did anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, but that's kind of the question.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Because it's not like in targeting, which which is a
bit subjective, but when you see a player who goes
head hunting, you can tell a bit right, that wasn't this.
This wasn't like a guy running over to go cleat him,
or he got shoved to play before and he was
trying to get him back, or there was like a
back and forth. It was just a ball that was
played out that was tight. They're both trying to get it,
and as he reached his foot out, it hit the
(31:02):
guy's leg the way it hit it. So it's just
I don't know, I don't know how to answer that
question for this scenario, because it doesn't really feel warranted.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Okay, because I think that, you know, if it was
just a style of play issue, then that's you know,
a bigger conversation just about how they operate things. I
think this one clearly it was a bad call, but
the idea that, you know, all of a sudden, there
was this pressure, and he just had this feeling that
with all the outside noise that they weren't going to respond.
I would have assumed that they would have given you
(31:32):
momentum that it would have given you all of a sudden,
you know, hey, listen, this is a you know, a
second lease on life. Like we've we've got our guy
back and we're ready to go, and we're at home
and there's all this you know, everything buzzing and building
and then all of a sudden, the game started. And
it was pretty obvious to everybody, they're nowhere close And
(31:52):
if you've watched any team beyond Belgium, find me one
that they would have been close with. Like, there's just
why can't we just all take a step back and
just realize Soccer's not our thing. It's just not you
know what I mean, It's just not what we do.
We just were not able to do this. You know,
(32:12):
there's certain fast food restaurants who realize, you know, man,
maybe you know, chicken tenders just aren't our thing. Let's
focus on what it is that we do good and
let's just worry about that and leave sushi and everything
else to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Like, soccer's is not our thing.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
So b hey, you got to the final round of sixteen,
all right, it's better than not making it and go
from there. But this hole all the outside noise, and
it was this that took place, and that that took place. No,
we're just not good enough to be considered one of
the elites when it comes to all this.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's that's fair. Again, I think that's a that's a
larger conversation in terms of what you're doing to become elite,
at what you're becoming. If kids in America did for
soccer what they do to become better and best baketball
in football, then we would be the best in the
(33:05):
world at playing soccer. I just believe that from the
time you start playing football the time you start playing basketball,
the amount of specialized training that goes into it. If
our elite athletes were to be doing soccer versus football
or basketball to that degree, then I would say, like,
(33:28):
for instance, is anybody better than us in basketball? No,
they've closed the gap, but they're not as good as us.
If we were to play football again, like I said,
they'd be out there playing dodgeball. The linemen would be
playing dodgeball with people, unless we were playing against like
you know, like I don't know a Japanese team or
(33:51):
a Chinese team. Like if it was sumo wrestlers, that'd
be different. You're not going to play dodgeball with them.
I always wonder why sumo wrestlers don't play footba, but
that's a whole nother conversation. But I do not think
that there would be any nation that would be able
to stand up to us in football at all. Wouldn't
even be close. So to me, the reason why that
(34:13):
gap is so large is that the best athletes are
specializing and more focused in on the sports that they're
specializing and focused in on, and it's not soccer. Our
best athletes are not representing our country playing soccer. And
I'm sorry because that may offend some people because it's like,
(34:36):
you have literally professional soccer players. I don't want to
sound like I'm being you know, kind of just minimizing
them and what their capabilities are, but I'm just saying,
if you stack up the best soccer players for America
against our best athletes in other sports, I don't think
that you have that same you know, disparity in these
(35:00):
these countries that have the most elite soccer players, their
most elite athletes are playing soccer. From the jump, that's
not us. That's not us, that's not what we're doing.
And I think that that's if that were to ever change,
which it won't, but if that were to ever change,
then we could have a conversation. But it's like you
can't sit there and say, well, why can't we be
(35:23):
with the elites of the elites when our most elite
athletes aren't playing soccer.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, by the way, it's just you know, getting exposed
every four years. Not that bad, right, Yeah, deal with that.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
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We shouldn't row a standard. No one wants to lower
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Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
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Speaker 6 (35:57):
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Speaker 4 (36:10):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Coming off top of the next hour.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
A little over ten minutes from now, we're going to
catch up with the old p Petris Papadakis. He'll stop
by so we'll have a fun little uh Wednesday conversation
and keep the tradition going with petros code up again
a little over ten minutes from now eight am Eastern time,
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(36:37):
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Speaker 6 (36:50):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well Sheriff's week, Oh god, well, who's got what duty?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
What this week?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Well, I'll tell you what, Sheriff. We have a new
good this week. Partners and no it's not share sticks,
but that'll come in a few. But our good of
the week is the good old Constable Queen himself, go
for a partner.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I was gonna say a number of things the World Cup.
It's been fun, it's it's getting closer to the end.
Although I don't feel like LeVar would say that, so
I can't say that I was gonna say, the All
Star Game, but the game was honestly crappy. Maybe the
home run Derby. Like the home Run Derby was good.
That was a lot of fun, Last Last out, Last
(37:52):
pitch heroics. I guess everyonet to call it. But it's
been a tad week for sports. I'll be honest with you,
it's been tough. So I guess I'm gonna go with
the home run Derby. I feel like you gave me
it this week because it was a tough week and
you didn't want to continue to streak with the var.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's interesting, No, it's it's rotation, partners.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Rotation rose the last three weeks to actually, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Last two, but you guys and Jonas took it.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, we took it from them. Yeah one of them
was actually his weeks. But but yeah, but anyways, that
was our good of the week partners. It's time for
the bed. The bed is well. We deputed knocks shoot
from the hip to the son of a Bitch.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I decided to clip the front of my truck and
then just take off nice nothing man.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Take that. Take that, Jonas.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
I'm gonna have to pay at least fifteen to twenty
bucks to Buffer that thing out and I'm going to
do it myself. But it's very obvious, very obvious, what
happened here. I don't believe it was anybody in this
parking structure because you know, there's not enough cars parking.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Structure to do it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
So I'm trying to I've been trying to piece together
exactly where it would have taken place.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Might have been. I just for whatever it is, just
know it's not a nice thing to do.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Own up, be accountable, and it doesn't matter if I've
done it also at some point in my life, it's
just not nice.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's rude.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Learn how to park, learn how to back out of
parking spots, and stop trying it. Maybe it's one of
these people that back into parking spots that throw off
the math for everybody else in a parking lot. But
the point is get it together, learn how to drive,
refreshing up your driving skills, and just look around space
spatial awareness.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
As my good friend LeVar Arrington would like to refer
to it as that's my bad for the week.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
All right, Well, now we have our ugly and sheriff
sticks the honors yours shoot from the head park.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. We're in that
football purgatory, you know place right now, there's no football
worth watching, and we were we were left to try
to talk about other sports, and preferably so, I mean,
I guess soccer and and it's just boring and and
(40:14):
love Allen just finished up. So now I don't have
bonding time with my wife and my daughter. It's it's
just me and sticks. And well that's kind of ugly.
That's my ugly for the week. Yeah, what's wrong with
having sticks? You guys get to hang out on the beach.
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Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
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