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August 10, 2026 41 mins

In Hour 2 of the show, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington discuss Kyle Shanahan going to coach the 49ers preseason opener and details his car crash experience. Plus, the guys go over SMU HC Rhett Lashlee having a gripe with Arkansas's strength of schedule, we have another edition of the FSR IR, and more!!

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all right, he's working his way back after the accident,

(02:16):
the car accident that he.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Was involved in in July.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
That I think we just heard about about an hour ago.
But Kyle Shanahan is back and he's getting ready for
the season. And he did speak to the media about
the accident and what went wrong that fateful evening over
the weekend.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
I mean, anytime you cause an accident that could be avoided,
you'd feel pretty stupid. I mean, especially when you have
a chance to hurt someone else. And so like I
think you get mad when you get a ticket, Oh
not yourself. So that was kind of the same. You know,
things that I think everyone's done to a degree what
I've done, you know, dropping a phone and falling all
the way to my back seat, or I have to
fully take my eyes off the road, you know, it's

(03:01):
something that I normally want to do. I've had autopilot
for nine years, so I'm pretty comfortable with it. And
who knows what happened when I turned around, whether it
malfunctioned or whether I knocked it off. That's something and
I don't know yet. But regardless, that's it is always
your fault. And whether you're an autopilot or not, you
can't take your eyes off the road. It's a partnership driving,
you know't just turn it over to a computer. And

(03:21):
it's a good lesson. No matter how comfortable I am
with that that I believe someday could save my life.
For someone else's or it's really helped me have perspective
on that stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
What a bunch of crap.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
Come on, God, bless you, thank you, Come on, zoon tight,
thank you. So I do have a question about this
because this this came up in a conversation with some
buddies about.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
We're going to get to a point where.

Speaker 7 (03:54):
I guess it's easy to sit there and say, well,
the blame is going to go on the driver, because
whether it was an autopilot or not, it's his vehicle,
it's his car, he's.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
In control of it ultimately.

Speaker 7 (04:03):
But there are some people that I know out there
who take liberties with probably drinking too much and or
other things for that matter, and then putting their car
on autopilot because.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
It is so advanced now and letting it drive them home.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
I mean, if we're getting to a point we're gonna
have driverless cars, whether that's you know, via robotaxis or
Tesla's or whatever other vehicle that's got the capabilities of
doing this, it does beg the question, like what's that
going to look like? Like imagine an officer pulls you
over and you've been on autopilot, So like, like, who

(04:41):
does what does the blame go there? I mean, is
it going to be on the vehicle if it malfunctioned?
Are you then going to get popped for? I mean,
it probably wouldn't be speeding, but let's say it was
swerving and they pull someone over and they say, hey,
like that was some erratic behavior back there, Like, dude,
I wouldn't even touch the wheel.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I was an autopilot. Have you known anywhere had my
hands on the wheel.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
But that's done that because I have I had a
buddy telling he had a tesla and he said multiple
times he went out and just got butchered and had
it drive him home. And I was like, are you
sure you allowed to do that? He goes, I don't know.
I got home safe, Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Like, well, okay, full disclosure.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
I've got a buddy who did something similar and he
would say something similar and I'd be like, dude, I
don't think that's smart, Like, in fact, I know it's
not smart. Like you you just get an uber gets
something else like, I mean, have go back and get
it tomorrow. It doesn't matter. And so it's interesting that
you know, we're getting to a point though, where there's
probably someone's gonna have an argument on their side of it,

(05:38):
saying like, well, what's the difference like between us five
years from now if we have autonomous cars and there's
a robot taxi picking us up and taking us back
home and there's no driver inside.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I feel like this is moving the goal post a
little bit though, Like.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's what you're saying for Kyle Shanahan specifically or just
a topic.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
And just yes, no, no for Kyl Shannon and and
like so the conversation that I was having this weekend
like that that was like, in my school of thought,
was just just putting all of the information together that
we were able to have, Like the fact that it
took eleven days to report it, the fact that there

(06:18):
were clerical errors that were made by the police department
on how they viewed the accident, No one was at fault,
no citations were issued, the fact that Kyle Shanahan gets
jacked up then shows up and says that he is

(06:39):
to blame, and then we hear him explaining it even
more and basically putting it on the car. It just
is there. If this was a player on that team,
does he get does he get the send? Does he

(07:00):
get the same you know treatment as as a coach,
and I know the answer is know to that, But
let me let me ask you guys this. I saw
Whittner Dante Whitner do a do a post and talking
about how Access media they controlled this narrative. That's I

(07:22):
don't know that I believe the narrative that Kyle Shanahan
is going with. He's going with I turned around to
reach to get my phone out of the backseat and
Auto Pallette let me down. That's what he's going with.
That's what it sounds like. You're trying to control the narrative,
and you you much rather just take the blame for

(07:45):
I was at fault. I did something wrong. I reached
behind to grab my phone. My car was an auto Palette.
This is why the accident happened. I'm ready to coach
moving on. But it took y'all eleven days report it,
and now Kyle Shanahan is basically the only one that's
reporting what perceivably or the only account of what happened.

(08:12):
I just think that there's something that still doesn't fit.
For one, but for two, it made me ask the question,
and I'm kind of with why did they not did
you not report it. Like at first we were saying, ah,
out of respect and you know, privacy of Cal and
his family and all that, But is it access what

(08:36):
they have denied the local media access when he did
his press conference. I didn't realize this until I looked
at a couple other reports, but I guess it was
only local media and there were no cameras.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, he pulled him into his office.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm just saying it just all has a feel of
cover up, and it's a cover up for or for
his reputation, and I don't like, I don't know that
to be factual. I'm just saying, take a name out
of it. If I were to list everything that took
place and how it was handled, that says to me

(09:14):
something isn't right. So I'm not more focused in on
if a car malfunction. I'm more focused in on why
did they feel the need to have this, this course
of action, this this timeline of events of how they
handled it. It just doesn't add up. And I just
don't think that would have happened for a player. And

(09:37):
I also think that the media would have been held
accountable if they reported what they were going to report.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Look, I've not proud of it. I've cheated I've probably
been cheated on. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure out this thing smelled fishy from the get go,
like it just it's seemed like it was.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
And if you yourself out, it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
But like you know, like you know BS, and you
know when you're telling BS, and you know when someone's
telling you BS, you just kind of are able to
read the situation. The story from the get go didn't
add up, like nothing about it added up. And then
his explanation, it was almost like he was adding detail
upon detail upon detail.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's okay, trying to overcompensate.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, it's and and you know, like anybody who's ever
told a lie or been down, like you know that feeling,
especially when you're the one who does piling on and
piling yes, like you know that uses them.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I've been there. That's you know, full disclosure. I've been there.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
You know you ain't not no god dang auto pallet
off and you ain't did that.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
And look, I don't know what the they're trying to hide.
Was he drinking? I have no idea. Was there somebody
else in the car? I have no idea. Has anybody
talked to the other driver, Like that's the other part
of this as well too, as as anybody got a
statement or comments from the other d it just the
handling of it, the explanation, none of it makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's like, get it over it, Like, let's get it
over it, move on. I just but I kind of
feel like that's how to re see And also, yeah,
I feel like there's a pattern with coaches in the
National Football League right now.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Once again, coue to make it a story.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
And I'll ask you and I'll say this, the only
reason we know about this story at all is because
training camp was starting.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
If this was wouldn't have never even heard of it ever. Ever,
it would have been a blip. It would have been
a blip.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And can I just say this, what's wrong with that?

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Like why do we need to know everything about everyone
this off season?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Like That's where I kind of stand on all this.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
It's like it was during a break or period of
time where it was a dead period in the NFL calendar.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's like, I don't like, we only seem to focus
on the negative.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
If Kyle Shanahan had gone out and donated you know,
but jillion dollars to some charity and showed up and
no one reported on that or no one reports it.
It's like okay, I mean, like we tend to just
focus on like the crazy stuff that happens, like players, coaches,
their free time and all that.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Man, Like I'm glad he's saying glad, He's okay, glad
the other person involves. Okay, I frankly don't care about
whose fault it was, whether it's his tessels, whatever else.
Everyone's good, everyone's fine. Like why is this such a
big story because the cover up, because the timing.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Of it, Like I just, I mean, I don't care, Like.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
I honestly think it's such to a degree, it's such
a waste of time. And I feel like everyone's point
for like, oh, there has to be more to this,
Like what more and it? And like what are we
looking for to get more out of it? Like there's
some scandal? Is that is that? What we're assuming there
is is that way we need how to assuming the NFL.
I'm not assuming anything.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
But it is our job to talk about that happen
in sports news. I'm gonna use your line on you
you know.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
No, no, no, I understand that this is not sports news,
like like, let's just draw the line where there's a
contradiction of what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Okay, we were talking.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
About the World Cup, because the World Cup we're playing games,
they're playing soccer. There's things that have come out from
the World Cup. You know, for example, Infantina was trying
to sell a portion of the World Cup essentially to
private equity in order to be able to generate and
that like obviously got a lot of pushback and blow back,
so it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
But that's like the business of it.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Like this, this happened during a period of time it
was like a dead period for teams and all that.
And it's like, all right, well, the guy got an
accident on that break. He's okay, obviously sustained injuries. That
was tragic. The other person seems to be okay. Like
there's still this just major fascination with it. Like I
just I'm I'm personally not there, you guys can be.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
I just the actual incident itself, the accident. You're right, Hey,
the guy got in an accident. You're glad, everybody's okay,
and you know, you learn your lesson from the whole thing.
All of that would have been fine, and then they
started adding layers of garbage on top of all that.
You're like, okay, what what's happening here? Like why wasn't
it reported on? What really went on? Like you know,

(14:17):
we've heard different stories now, and that's that's where this
becomes questionable, just in regards to what.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Like where's this going? I don't the whole points all
this going to get suspended.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think, but I think it's a conversation. Let's let's
not you can't dance around the conversation. I think some
of the conversation connected to it, which it isn't a contradiction.
He is a sports story because he's a head coach
of a sports team, that's why.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
But it's not about sports.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
That's that's why you're using what you said your context.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
You're choosing to not make it about sports because it's.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Not about sports. He just have a head coach.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well he doesn't have to doesn't would rather if.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
You want to go down that route about I would
rather talk about the substation and all these injuries, like
this has been the most injured team for the past
how many years and it's like, all right, let's go
down that rabbit hole, because clearly there's something too. Players
are getting injured who just go there to practice like
it's wild, and it's like at some point I'd rather

(15:21):
talk about the impact on their team and how that
means for the games because they got dudes dropping left
and right.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Well maybe substation. Maybe he should blame his car accident
on the substation.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah, man.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
And then and then you got on top of it
that if that's not bad enough, you got to coach
leaven happy hour and playing bumper cars, you know, in
a driverless car, Like I don't know what to tell you, man,
we we like take away moh you saw what happen
with that? It's just the story seems suspect, that's all.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
And it's hard talking about it's a little fish because
sports media, if you don't want to talk about it,
set it out. But I'm just saying that sports me, No,
I don't go.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I'm just my thing.

Speaker 7 (16:02):
Is very similar to the receiving great about like it's
a dead horse, like like what do we My whole
point with that.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Is what but why I'm gonna get from this?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
But why?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like it is a dead horse.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
We're talking about a subject, but why over a month ago?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Two months? I mean, how far are we into this now?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Also, didn't he have like a laceration on his face,
Kyle Shanan, I was looking for that. I didn't see it.
Didn't see anything on the face there when he was talking.
Just you know, there's just feels like there's some stuff
that we're not being told here. That's all, you know,
that's all saying. But the substation is a problem. And

(16:41):
the substation does have a Twitter account now, which is.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Awesome, right, which is dynamic.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
I mean, can you pull it up and just read
some of the tweets that it's sent off.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's fantastic. I mean, again, I feel.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Terrible for the players that it's making light of, But
the reality is there needs to be some greater I mean,
I mean, there's right now, there's a chance that New
England can't play the preseason game because they couldn't get
a field that fits the requirements of the NFL and
the NFLPA based on the CBA in time for this
week because of I guess what took so long from

(17:14):
the World Cup or something like. There's a lot of
other things that like, legitimately are just odd that are
going on in the NFL that we probably haven't touched
on or I haven't even talked about. But the Substation
one is again, I'm not sure if you're a player there.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
George Kittle's talked about.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
It, how you don't look at things a little bit
sidey based on how many injuries they've had.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
All right, so this the forty nine ers, you know account.
It's not the forty nine ers account, but somebody that
covers the team sent a tweet out that said head
coach Kyle Shannon is out without his sunglasses today at
training camp practice. His return is getting closer. The Substation
retweeted that and said, is being near me really the
best way to heal? Which a fair question.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
That is a fair question.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Now another one, you know, Nick Bosa missed his third
practice with soreness. Kyle Shannon spoke about it, and the
Substation responded, I for one am surprised at this development. There's, uh,

(18:21):
let's see uh other injuries. Yeah, there's a wow. They
really do have a lot a lot of injuries. Let's
see here what else we got? Uh, I gotta go
all the way down. They're really active, like really really active.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
God, let me see. Uh all right, there's this.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
The forty nine ers Brock party is cooking during the
first period team drills today. Substation responds, guess what else
is cooking? Uh? Yeah, so there's you know, people are
making jokes about it, but did someone just go there.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
For a joint practice or something that just took place
and they had someone kind of insured as soon as
they got there.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, it's a whole list of Mike Evans was dealing
with something like just a whole list.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
There's got to be.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
Since Okay, and by the ways, this is just based
on the research we we've been able to find. Since
around twenty thirteen, they have been one of the most
injured teams in the NFL. Not the most, which I'd
have to go back and look at when they moved
into Levi Stadium, but I believe it was in somewhere

(19:38):
around that. Maybe it was before, but somewhere in that ballpark.
And so now this since we've got almost what there
was that thirteen years of data, it's pretty crazy to
think how it's impacted their players. And you wonder if
there's not you know, a.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Greater class action lawsuit against them for this.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
I mean, look like I played for number of teams
back when the team, back when the Rams were in
Saint Louis, did we were down wind from like a
dump or some sort of processing facility where when there
was a certain direction of the wind, I mean you
could smell it and like there was no doubt people
were probably breathing in different toxins and crap that was

(20:20):
being burnt off or however it was being processed. They
should have never been there. I mean I was only
there for like half a season, but like imagine if
you had been played there for years and you're ingesting
that every single day you were outside.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
You remember that story about the Phillies players at the
at the Old Vet So an old veteran stadium where
the Phillies and Eagles played. There was there's a ton
of former Phillies that have that have died or dealt
with cancer. And they did a test on some of
the astro turf from the vet and there were toxins

(20:54):
and chemicals in there. And they thought and the reason
that they thought that that had to do with some
of the cancer that the Phillies players got. And none
of the Eagles players got is because during the summertime
when they're playing their games there, the sun's just beating
down into that turf and it's releasing all those talks
and so all those guys were breathing that crap for years,

(21:15):
and they did tests afterwards and realize, yeah, this is like,
this is poisonous. These guys were getting poisoned while they
were playing games there.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Well, by the way, Levi Stadium the inaugural season was
twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
If pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
If you're going to get them out of there, you're
gonna have to scoop them up, and something's gonna have
to pull them up out of there. Some I'm gonna
have to tow them up out of there. Well, I
got the proper vehicle that can get the job done.
It doesn't make a fuss. I respect it because it
knows how to pick up. That's that Nissan Frontier. It's
built for the work week, ready to load up to

(21:49):
tailgate on the weekends. Even if it's you know, bodies
from the substation. Make sure you get a hold of
that twenty twenty six Nissan front Tier here.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
They know how to truck. Yeah, hey, coach, get a
frontier next time. Come on, man, get with it. It
is two pros and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Up next. Somebody has thoughts.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Leave that. Leave that topic alone. That is the last
time we will talk about this topic. Oh way, Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I do not get c.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Going this early in the morning. Every where's it going?
Don't ever don't ever get him going like this this
early in the morning. Ever again, every single time you
do this.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Brady, we can't have some conspiracies.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Look you look, you never gave a conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
There was a chick in the car, okay, which.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I don't care either, but I think that's what Jonas
wants to say.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Stand on it.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Stand on you l off with was a cheat.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
I know I stepped out for strange. I think that
the guy went out, he had some barf water and
he didn't trust himself to drive. He turned it over
to the car and some bad stuff happened.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Now that's what you're going with.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
He also said he was texting as well too. There
was that part. Just none of it makes any sense,
that's all you said, I was a cheater To lead
off with your point, Well, yeah, because I don't believe
the story you know when you're lying and it just sounds.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Like he's cheating on the story.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Just a lie in general, you know, like you can
tell by a lot.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
But all right, up next though, Yeah, we are going
to tell you about somebody who doesn't pie some of
the preseason narratives when it comes to the world of football,
that's yours here on FSR.

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the head coach for smu. He doesn't really buy into

(25:45):
you got issues, man, you're touched. He doesn't really buy
into the whole preseason strength to schedule mumbo jumbo and
all that stuff in relation to Arkansas talking about how
difficult their schedule is.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Here was Lashly on three.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
When we start in crossing over into FPI or strength
of schedule, things that are going to determine who gets
in the playoffs. And we want to say we know
these twenty teams have the hardest strength of schedule. There's
it's impossible, Like no offense to Arkansas, they can't have
the hardest strength of schedule in America to start the
season because no one's played a game. We don't even

(26:23):
know who's good, so we don't know what a good
and an easy schedule is right now.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
So fair that it is.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
But the problem is those little numbers next to a
team's name going into week one does add.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
A little something.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
It does, I just it does. It's a little bit
of hot sauce on a matchup. And you know maybe
those teams like last year in the top four, you
know two or three of those teams in the top
four and nowhere to be found at the end of
the season, but at least it does add a.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Little something going into the year. At least there's that.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
It feels like this is you know, one of the
reasons why we love doing preseason rankings is so it's
easier to sell. It's one of those concoctions made by
TV so they can market it more, enhance them more,
and make it look like a big matchup. And I
think the tough part about how you're constructing who has
the toughest strength to schedule it is.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
What are you basing it off of? Are you basing
it off of last year's win lost totals? Well, that's
the case.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
It's flawed obviously, because you have so much movement in
college football now the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I mean, you have.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Guys who graduate move on go to the NFL, new
guys coming in, maybe even young guys who have no experience,
so you don't really know what to expect.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So that feels a bit flawed to look at it
that way.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
However, people who look at it say, well, we have
an idea because we know about the recruiting classes and
we know about how talented it is.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Based on what people think about those players.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Coming on of high school to college, and so that's
largely what they look at it as you know, these
preseason whether it's coaches polls, and I think they see
it more as that than anyone else because they're recruiting,
they're out there in it, and they're like, well, that
seems gonna be loaded. You know, they got multiple classes
of a lot of five star, four star, blue chip players.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And so they should be really good. I think there's
a bias.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
There's a sense of bias in particular if you look
at ESPN's model and look at the SEC and where
they continually rank, you know, those schedules as some of
the most difficult, surely because they're in the SEC, not
because we've actually seen any of these teams play one another.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Because again, when we've seen some of the big teams, big.

Speaker 7 (28:25):
Ten teams play the SEC teams, it hasn't worked out
for the SEC.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So it's a new year.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
I wish we could go do away with some of
these preseason rankings, in particular with the AP and even
the coaches pull because they shouldn't matter. But I do
think they create this perception early on for the College
Football Playoff Committee and for a lot of people on
the outside of who's supposed to be good and who's not.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And so I'm kind of with them, like, can we
just play games.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
And get into the college football season for maybe four
or five weeks before we need rankings? Is that going
to kill ratings that much? I have a hard time
believing whether it's Michigan, Oklahoma or Ohio State Texas, that
people aren't gonna be tuning in. I don't know whether
you need rankings next to those two teams or any
of those teams to sit there and.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Justify why you want to tune in and watch those games.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I just think in sports, much like in other aspects
of in categories of life, projecting and forecasting is just
it's a part of it. And I think that that's
what you know these guys are looking at. Whether it's
the AP or the Coaches Poll, you're looking at the
potential of what a team could be for the course

(29:38):
of this season, and you're basing it off of who
they're Like, I'm looking at Penn State to have actually
a pretty decent year based off of how I'm looking
at their schedule and listen, whether there's rankings or not
on there right now, I'm looking at it, and I'm
saying to myself, these are winnable games. I shut yourself

(29:59):
up up to be healthy.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
I was just I was just looking at that. They're like,
there's a real good chance there we.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Can make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
It's a good yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And the point I'm saying is is just I think
it's it's interesting when people try to forecast how good
a team is project how because we do it with players,
we do it with positions. You know, think about everybody
forecasting that this is going to be the greatest quarterback
class in a long time or whatever. That's forecasting. You know,

(30:33):
we could say the same thing like.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Let's wait till get based on what they did last year, right,
and those guys are draft eligible, Like there's more to
it than just that, but.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, but it's still the idea of it is is again,
you're looking at you're taking the information, you're taking how
the team accomplishes. You're looking at all of the given factors.
The recruiting, as you mentioned, returning starters just to me,
the strength of schedule, to me, it's just it's for fun,

(31:01):
you know.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
That's that's That's the argument though, is like how could
you possibly determine the strength of the schedule is I mean,
I think we again we look at and say, okay,
the Big Twelve and the SEC just they're not They're
always many talented teams that you have a chance of
winning a national championship, So we immediately docked them for
you know what those teams are in college football. The
tough part about all of that is, you know, we

(31:22):
don't know until they actually start playing, Like BYU could
be a really good football team, and last year they
were a really good football team, yet they didn't have
a chance to go into the playoffs, so we don't
really know what that would have amounted at being. And
I think we look at the Big Twelve and say, man,
that's that conference is just a tier below the SEC.
Like well, okay, maybe maybe some of the teams are,
but are all of them Like if you actually start

(31:44):
you know, having the Texas Tech and some of these
other teams that have come up now from the Big Twelve,
and they start you know, playing some of these SEC teams,
like I don't know, maybe they'll lose to Georgia or
maybe they'll lose to Alabama, But are they losing to
you know, Arkansas Are they losing to Missouri?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Are they losing to some of these other teams?

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Indiana was twenty three last year going into the season,
so you know, you had a whole bunch of.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
Well and think about like, if you could go back
and look Jonas, I'd be curious to see how long
it took them the climb into the top ten.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Because because that's more of what the issue is.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
If you stay at twelve teams for the playoff, the
concern becomes if you're not a team in the top
twenty five to start the season, it becomes really really
hard to build up equity to get into the idea
of the College Football Playoff Committee to get into that
top twelve and really top eleven right because of the
group of six getting their highest rank conference champion. So

(32:37):
when it becomes that sort of conversation, you then look
at and say, all right, well, preseason rankings do matter
because more often than not, those teams get the benefit
of the doubt as the season goes on, and if
they lose, they still kind of linger and hang around.
It usually takes three losses or so to really kick
them out altogether.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, it's it does you know, just again that little
little numbered attached to the team next to it just
does add a little something to these matchups. But and
it's also it feels like it's more probably more difficult
in college football in the NFL. There's also the strength
of schedule stuff like, hey, this team's got you know,
the fifth moth difficult schedule going into the season. What

(33:17):
we see in the NFL all the time, there's at
least three or four teams or two or three teams
in each conference that you didn't made the playoffs the
year before the Dozener as a down year.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
So it's kind of similar in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
Yeah, it took Indiana four games to be able to
jump up into the top ten. It was their big
win over Illinois, which at the time Illinois was ranked
as a top ten team. Indiana was nineteenth, Illinois was ninth,
and if you recall, they beat the daylights out of
them that night game.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
It was I think it was like a Saturday night,
like sixty three to ten. It was ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
That was what, you know, jumped Indiana all the way
up actually to number all. And it wasn't until after
they beat Iowa that next week, which was a tight
game in Iowa into the top ten. So just excuse me,
I actually them from five games.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, no, it's just but that's and then you look
at what happened at the top of the pole, like
with you know, Clemson and all these you know Penn
Stay who had a down year.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
It just yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
So you go into the season and then you look
back afterwards and it's like, well, yeah, how good of
a win was that. I can remember when I was
in Charleston, College of Charleston beat North Carolina and basketball.
North Carolina was ranked number five at the time, and
it was the biggest I mean, everybody was going nuts, like,
oh my god, this is one of the biggest wins
in the history of College of Charleston's program. North Carolina

(34:39):
I don't even think made the nit that year. They
were awful, but because it was early in the season
and you didn't really have a gauge on who was
good and who wasn't. Now you look back at that
win afterwards and you go, well, that team wasn't very good.
They were fifth at the time, but they just weren't
very good. I would chant I would say this, do
you think Brady that you could because the ap top
twenty five gets really east next Monday. Do you think,

(35:02):
without looking at the coaches poll that was released, if
you had to guess the AP top twenty five, how accurate.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Could you get it?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
If you I don't know, I mean fairly accurate.

Speaker 7 (35:15):
Like are we saying like like figuring out all twenty
five teams?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah? Like all twenty five?

Speaker 7 (35:19):
Like how many I could probably I could probably get
twenty three of the top twenty five. By the way,
not to get off topic from that conversation, like Texts
and M.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
For example, Texas A and M.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
If you look at from twenty twenty two, I think
was that the year they had the huge recruiting class.
Is that the one that was like the thirty million
dollar recruit Remember they were ranked like sixth.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
They finished the year unranked.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
You go back the next year, they started the season
top twenty five ranked preseason, they actually ended up not
being ranked after like two weeks to the rest of
the year. Then you get to twenty twenty four, same thing,
top twenty team to start the season, end of the
season not ranked altogether.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Like Texas A and M. Is one of those.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
Programs, with the exception of last year where they started
at nineteenth. They ended up finishing as a top ten
team when it's all said and done. But if you
really at least in the A people this is obviously
not in the the college wall playoff pool, but if
you're looking at it from that standpoint, like that's an
example of a team that for three of the last
four years has always gotten the benefit of the doubt,

(36:19):
and at the end of the season they were nowhere even.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
In the top twenty five.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
So that's the problem, is the perception that, well, their
schedule is so tough before the season starts because someone says, well,
they should be good because they're talented.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well that's always that's not always what makes up a
great team.

Speaker 7 (36:33):
I think that's the problem that Red last year and
a lot of the coaches have with it is until
we expand at twenty four and we're more inclusive, they
feel like there's a lot of good teams out there
that are being left out of applying for a national championship.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
So you could get twenty three out of twenty five.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, roughly. I don't know. I mean, I think it's
it would be fairly simple.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Looking at you know, some of the big ten teams
SEC teams which are gonna be the bulk. I would
bet there's probably gonna be like seven or eight from
each conference. That gets you in about fifteen Notre Dames
in there. There's sixteen you pick you know, you know,
two or three from the ACC and the Big twelve,
and you kind of round out with maybe a group
of sixteen.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
See the BQ time.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
I mean, if you were here this week, if you're
here the rest of week, we could talk about this.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
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Speaker 3 (38:55):
Who's got it?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Come on, Who's got it?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Come on far you got one.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
You guys. I got a little banged up. I'm a
little hurt this morning. I'm pushing through the pain. I'm
a team player. We we hung out on the beach
for a very very very very very very very long
time yesterday, probably the longest we've we've probably spent on
the beach.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
How long.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like we got there at noon and didn't leave until
like six.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah we were there. Did some damage. Did some damage, man, Yeah,
yeah we did. So there you go. That's my ir.
I mean, nothing crazy. I didn't lose my cell phone
in the back seat and reach forward or anything that,
you know, nothing crazy, just just you know, good, good,
good clean fun on the beach.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Bradony got anything anything wild wild tales from the uh
from the crew there I got. I mean there's nothing really,
uh nothing really to report on my end. I mean
it's just it's been uh hot as balls.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Oh mosquitoes.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
So I went out and got one of those rackets,
one of those bugs Apple rackets. So I just thought
it was you know it you know, kind of knocks
them down, swats them down, they explode.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's amazing, it's awesome. It's one of the best things ever.
I used to go looking for, like like a whole
bunch of flies, like oh yeah, circling around stuff, just
just I could just.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
At first, my son's like, Papa over here, over here.
I was like, no, that's outside the yard, Like we
don't need to worry about that. And then I was like,
watch you start popping. Yeah, go get them.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Those things explode.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I go get them.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
You just put a put a couple of you know,
double A batteries in them, and next thing you know, you're.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Just lighting bugs, flies, mosquitoes on.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Destroyed.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
No, I just wonder what does that do to them?

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Like it?

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Because it doesn't they don't catch it. So it's literally
like a lightning bolt to a bug.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I mean it's like whatever their bodies are made of,
their their body compositions, it ignites.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, awesome, thing is real.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
So yeah, that was fun, man, that's the that's what
the social life looks like these days.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
By yourself a bugs apple racket and get to work.
It's fun.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
There you go, those bastards destroyed. Uh, it just bit
all my legs, my arms, we got destroyed.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
But then now we.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Got a little bit of revenge, a little bolt of
lightning in the backyard over Innxico. Until you get it done,
man badly recommended if anybody wants to be inhumane to
bugs that are bothering you, light them up.
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