July 5, 2023 • 38 mins
Jonas and LaVar try to make sense of why Tua Tagovailoa gets so much pushback from critics in the NFL. The NBA gets set to test the new flopping penalty at Summer League. A number of awful sports songs and the weekly edition of “The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.”
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Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of Iloa is a little bit of a lightning rod?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Like?
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Doesn't it feel like people are very opinionated one side
or another on Tua Either he's they buy into him
as being a good quarterback or they say, well, no,
he's not that great, And like, what do you think
that is?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
When it comes to Tua.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh, he's a high profile guy like since college. And
when you're a high profile guy that shows the potential
to be a high profile guy in the pros, then
you continue to be a high profile guy until you're not.
And that's just kind of the way. That's just kind
of the way it works. He's an intriguing He's an
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intriguing player because he has shown the ability to be
able to win as a pro quarterback. Now he hasn't
shown he's a franchise pro quarterback yet, but I think
that that's still out for debate. That's that's up for
debate as to if he can transition into being that
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type of quarterback. And then the added conversation of can
he stay healthy enough to achieve that.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I just think that there are.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Multiple opportunities to create, you know, narratives with tongue vloa
just based off of you know, those those those elements,
I mean, can he stay healthy enough for this team
to be good? And and and some people would say
should he even be playing? Should he even still be playing?
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Or should he have hung it up? Should he hang
it up? Should he get another if he were to
get another concussion? There are just a lot of conversational
points that you can have and draw side on to
a tongue of aloa.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
It's just weird because you know, jaylen Watta was talking
and we'll hear a little bit from jaalen Wata, his
wide receiver. He was talking just about playing with Tua
all those years at Alabama and then obviously with the Dolphins.
But I just was thinking, like, when's the last time
there's been a quarterback who's been this much of a
lightning rod with zero like forced controversy like Tim Tebow.
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Obviously there was people had issue with the you know,
they were bothered by the religious aspect to it. However
you feel on that, I mean, it didn't bother me,
but there were some people who didn't like how Tebow
just kind of handled himself. Obviously, we know the Kaepernick
stuff that was out there. It feels like there's been
lightning rods that's been forced by the people that are
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being discussed, Like those quarterbacks, they almost generate that themselves.
With Tua, he seems like the coolest dude, the nicest
guy in the world. Never an issue, great family. You know,
it's dealt with the injuries and all that, But for
some reason people are very animated and opinionated, opinionated rather
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on both sides of it. However, you feel about him
as a franchise quarterback or not. And I don't know
if it's because they compare him to the same draft
class that was Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, or if
it's just that he played at Alabama, he played on
the biggest stage, and now he's with the Dolphins and
when he gets there, he's got you know, these concussions.
Brian Flores benches him a couple of times, you know,
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in the middle of games his rookie year. It's just
weird how there's so much pushback by it by a
lot of people on Tua. I just I can't. I
can't seem to figure it out. Did you deal with
that when you got into the NFL? Were you a
lightning rod because of the way you played in college?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Some would say I was connected to controversy, But I'm
not a quarterback. And unless you're a quarterback, the type
of scrutiny and the type of lightning rod conversations that
take place are going to be very different. If I
was fighting through concussions, the conversations would be very different
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than what they are for a quarterback, So you just
start to understand that the spotlight is on its main character.
And if it was a singing group, a boy band,
the lead singer is always going to be the quarterback.
It's very few times, it's a very rare deal that
you get a guy that isn't at that position that
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is actually the lead singer of that of that group.
So of course they're going to get the most scrutiny
and the most criticisms and the most the most attention
because that's just where that's where the attention is. That's
just what it's it's geared to be. So it's not
about how you know, how much I've received, Like everybody,
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if you're if you're a top prospect, you're going to
receive criticisms, you're going to receive you know, the cushion points,
you're you're going to receive attention, and that's going to
continue on either in a good direction or in a
bad direction, or it could change, you know, based off
of things that happened, Like there was the getting bench,
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so now it's like, okay, it's to a good enough
that that starts to begin to be First off, it's
can he be healthy enough because of not head injuries,
but because of the injury he sustained at at Alabama.
That's like the first conversation you're having, like, Okay, did
they make a mistake taking him so high when he
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had an injury that could have ended his career in college?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
The health has always been a question with it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's always been a question. It's always been a question.
It's probably always right there. The story's probably already written.
You just got a feel in what the injury is
and what dated happened and what game had happened or
what practice had happened. But a lot of the these
guys already have their stories prepared for for to us.
So I just think that it's one of those things
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where he's intriguing because he can be good. He can
end up being a very very fine quarterback for this franchise,
But can he stay healthy enough? And are the you know,
kind of are the cards you know, stacked up in
his favor? Like you want to see if that's going, Like,
are aren't people wondering if if Miami is going to
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take over their division this season?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
They're pretty loaded?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mike Mike Uh, Mike Uh, Daniel Donald Daniels, Daniel.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, vape, Daniel no S no S.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Mike Daniels seems really confident right now. You listen to
his interviews, he sounds very confident. And I mean, they
just added Jalen Ramsey. They they they have players, they've
added more play like they did pretty.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Good in the draft.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just you know, they made an offer to Dalvin Cook,
which by the way, would be phenomenal for them. I
just think that he's one of those type of guys
that you're talking about him because you either love him
as a guy, or you're intrigued by the story because
you're someone who covers the National Football League, or you're
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someone who's in you know that covers the Miami Dolphins,
and this is probably their best chance to be good in.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Quite some time.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There's just a lot of variables as to the reason
why to a tongue of a low is so important.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
As it applies to the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
So Jalen Wattle, his wide receiver, obviously played with him
in Alabama. Now he's a member of the Miami Dolphins.
He was talking with k p RC in Houston just
about Tua, the fit with Tua in that offense, and
what makes.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Such a special quarterback?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
What about to you make them special? His ball placement.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I think everybody sees it, Bob Faceman knowing exactly where
to put the ball where his receivers current not just catching,
but catching and run with it.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And so that's what makes to a tour.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
So Tyreek Hill has said that Tua tuga Iloa is
the most accurate quarterback in the NFL, and I think
you know, and he was talking with Michael Vick recently.
We've played a little bit of that yesterday with Michael Vick.
But his whole point was, look, he's the most accurate
quarterback in the NFL. And Michael Vick was saying, well,
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you know, you're you're not catching balls from Patrick Mahomes anymore.
If you go back and look at Tyreek Hill's numbers
last year, those are those the best season he had
in his career probably and it was with Tua. And
you know, some you know, backup quarterbacks, because Tua got
banged up a little bit and knocked around and missed
a few games, a handful of games. But it's just
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to me, I like it because it feels like there's
a little variety in the diet. You know, like you've
got all these strong arms quarterbacks, and then you get
this guy who nobody looks at to it and says, well,
he's got the strongest arm in the world. But if
he's accurate. I just wonder, as a defender, would you
rather deal with the quarterback who's got a cannon for
an arm, or would you rather deal with the quarterback
who's really really accurate, Like if you if you had
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to choose to defend your dealing.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
With both, If you're dealing with both, Yeah, there's some
of them out there that's got both. I think you
would probably rather deal with a guy who has a
stronger arm than a guy who's more accurate, just just
for the simple fact that if the guy is accurate,
then chances are you don't have the ability to recover
to make plays on the ball. And if you do,
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if you do and that guy is very accurate, then
chances are he's he's probably not going to throw it,
or that receiver has the better, the better.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Opportunity to get to the ball.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And you've got to be exceptional and now moment to
be able to make a play on an accurate like
deadly accurate quarterback. It's just difficult. So I would assume
a defender would rather take their chances on somebody who
has a stronger arm that's going to chuck it up
and hope that you know, their guy can run under it,
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or they could power it through windows, different things like that.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I could be wrong. I would rather deal with
a guy with a stronger arm.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I just think I look at to a spot in
the NFL and that draft class him, Joe Burrow, justin
Herbert reminds me a lot of that four draft class.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And we've talked about it before, where.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
You've got Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and why am I
blanket Philip Rivers? Like if you look at all three
of those quarterbacks, like all of those quarterbacks had good careers,
good to great careers in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You've got a couple of you know, Holloway.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Two of them are Hall of famers.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Yeah, and then and then if Philip Rivers had won
a Super Bowl, I think there would be the argument
that he should be in the Hall of Fame as
well too. But like all of those quarterbacks did it differently.
They each had their own style, and all of those
quarterbacks had successful careers. I feel like Tua gets judged
against us though, yeah that's true. I mean, but you know,
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Roblisberger was mobile career.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But it's not not mobile mobile, but yeah, he was mobile.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
But I look at him and I go, Tua's going
to get compared in that draft class to Joe Burrow
and Justin Herbert for his entire career just is what
it is, especially Justin Herbert because he got taken one
pick before him. Until people are going to say, man,
did Miami make a mistake by doing it? And I
just think there's a real chance and it's more likely
that they're all going to have successful careers. They're just
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going to do it differently. And I think that's a
good spot for the NFL, to where you are seeing
people do things different. It's like in the NBA, everybody
can shoot a three, but when you do, you guy
pull up from eighteen to twenty feet in a kind
of nice, kind of a throwback. You don't see that
every day. When Jimmy Butler's hitting a mid range jumper
or you know some of these DeMar DeRozan's a mid
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range guy. You go, listen, we understand that it's a
different league now, but it's kind of nice to see
a throwback. And with Tua, you get a guy who
doesn't have a Hallitzer on his on his arm. He
doesn't you know, he's not, you know, slinging the ball
around one hundred and fifty miles an hour. But if
he's accurate, it's I still look at it and go
he could have a successful career and seemingly those guys
enjoy playing with him. Jayleen Wattle, Tyreek Hill can't say
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enough good things about him. McDaniel or vape Daniel, whatever
you want to call him, says good things about him.
As long as he can stay healthy, I think Tua
could be a very successful quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So I mean, I think the trend would would say
that that's accurate. I would say that's doable. I think
the complicated part of it is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah? Can that?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Jiu jitsu and Tiger style and grasshop for style and
you know, praying man is style. Can all of those
Shalin temples, the chambers? Can those things keep him healthy
during the course of the season.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
I'm still trying to figure out how jiu jitsu helps
you with concussions, Like I just I don't recall many
guys going, man, my head's killing me. Let me throw
on a dars choke real quick. Oh that'll work, That'll
take some of the pain away. Like it was judo,
and for whatever reason, people got a hold of jiu
jitsu and just ran with it because I think Vape Daniel, well,
I just.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Made that up. I just made that. I just made
it up. Jiu jitsu, karate, taekwondo. I was just making
it up. But I was just being funny about it.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
But no, but that's true though, But Vape Daniel did
say jiu jitsu, and I remember hearing that. Go that's
not what Tua said. Because when Tua originally made the comments,
it was Super Bowl week.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I remember that, and.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Then the coach got ahold of it and started talking
jiu jitsu, and it's a completely different discipline. So I just,
you know, I feel like he kind of steered everybody there.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
And you would know because you've done all of them.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah you know me, yeah big time.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, Hey no gee master knocks.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, that's true that that is a fair point. Again
here on the program, it is two pros and a
cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. He's LeVar Arrington,
I'm Jonas Knox of the Year and again you can
hang out with us on the iHeartRadio app. All right,
so coming up next, we're going to talk about the
potential for a major change for one sport entirely and
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this is something everybody should be rooting for, and we'll
get into that next.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
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Speaker 2 (16:49):
This song stinks. What a brutal piece of meal.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
To tungue follow.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Come on, that's the sound you have to make when
you hit the ground when they sack you down. Kung
fu fighting.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
The ugly.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
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Speaker 2 (17:34):
By the way, they were showing.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
So we've got NFL Network on one of the TVs
and studio here and they're showing the Houston Oilers.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
From nineteen ninety three. Oh kind, nice man.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I love the Houston Oilers growing up. What a badass
franchise and their their logo, their color scheme like warn Moon,
like Haywood, Jeffries, all those guys back in the day.
Cody Carlson is the backup quarterback, Buddy Ryan as the DC,
and then what was Kevin gilbrid is the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Remember they threw hands on this.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I was on the team with him in New York.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Kevin gilbrid how was he?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Oh he's cool with that. He was cool, super cool.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
And throwing fists with Buddy Ryan on the on the sideline.
Why didn't the Houston lee could you look this up?
Impromptu search? Why didn't when they the Texans were brought back,
why didn't they just go back to being the Oilers?
If Tennessee took the Titans and the Oilers was available,
why wouldn't you want to just bring make it the
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Houston Oilers? Why would you make it the Houston Texans?
The Texans name stinks like the Houston Oilers. Feels like
that would have been the goat to get it brought
back the old oil rig on the side of the helmet.
God man, little little mid nineties football for you here
on the show. Welcome to July, everybody, Lee, what do
we got.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Just the initial search is that an area businessmen who
were looking to create the franchise when the Houston Oilers
originally relocated to Tennessee, they were already in the process
of finding a new name.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh I was oilers offensive to somebody?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, I mean it must have been.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
It's still the Oilers franchise that is talking about oil.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I think it was just a new change of guard.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
And they it's not good for our environment.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, come on, man, sustainable energy.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
With the amount we got to pay for gas, we
can call whatever we want to call it.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
What are you mean oilers?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I got gash Oh no, thank you sir, great question.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
All right, so let's get into this conversation. I feel
like this is some good news. Everybody should be rallying
around this. But they're going to try something out the
NBA is it's called the flop test, which I feel like,
is uh, you could probably have some fun with that
and get in trouble at the same time. But the
flop test is the will be testing out this new
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flopping penalty in the Summer League this year, and it
feels like it should be an automatic, like everybody should
be on board with this. But the way this works
is that it's going to be determined by referees at
the game. It will be penalized by awarding the opposing
team one free throw and possession of the ball. So
if there's an obvious flop, like we see all the
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time in the NBA, this is a way for them
to say we don't want to be soccer. You had
a guy from Mexico the other night going to convulsions
when some guy ran by him, and it feels like
the NBA is saying, this is clearly an issue. It's
a bad look for our game. So now we've made
it to where it's not going to apply to your
personal foul calls or anything like that. But if you
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do flop on the court, then the other team's going
to get a free throw and they're going to get
the ball. Are you on board with this?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Do you think this is ok why wouldn't you make
it count towards their personal fouls?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
If you're going to do it, do it.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
See I think that so my understanding because they did
this back in twenty twelve. Yeah, I guess they're saying
that the flop is it'll be assessed as like an
unsportsmanlike technical foul, So it's not going to count towards
your personals or lead to an ejection. So okay, they're
going to identify me. Yeah, okay, at least it's progress.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
If you get too If you get two technical fouls,
you get kicked out of the game, right, don't you.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
So they're they're calling this a tech technical foul.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
They're calling it an unsportsmanlike technical foul.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, so yeah, all right, so I don't have been
a week of sports hypocrisy if you add so, I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Know if this is the same and the same realm
as like you know, a guy who you know is
three seconds in the key, you know, or somebody that
steps you know, there's a laying violation or something like that,
to where you don't it's not really counted against your total,
but you are. You are penalized for it in game.
That's what That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, you want people to think twice about doing
this whole this whole flopping thing. It has gotten a
little bit outrageous and it's kind of uncalled for. Like
I could see, like the flop on trying to take
a charge, no problem, but anything else, like the way
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you're getting deed up, or somebody touches you when you shoot,
or running through a pick, whatever it may be, to
just drop and flop the way some of these guys
are dropping and flopping. I just I ain't with it.
It doesn't work out, It doesn't work well for me
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selfishly speaking, I don't like looking at it.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, it's Joelle Embiid has thrown himself on the ground
at times that it's mind boggling.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Lebron James, oh God, is the flopper or flops?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
And that's what I wonder too, if this is really
up to if this is the officials, you know, it's
up to him. It's him, it's his jurisdiction. He's gonna
call what he wants to call. And if he sees
Lebron throw himself on the floor, is he less likely
to call it because it's Lebron and more likely more
likely to call it if it's a guy like Marcus
Smart who doesn't have the name recognition of Lebron.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's what I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't know what the right answer to that is,
but I just know it definitely needs to happen.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It needs to happen.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Yeah, it's Jokic was another one. He threw himself down
I think it was against the Lakers, and he threw
himself down to where Lebron and everybody's like, come on, man,
what's happening here? And the thought was, well, Lebron, you
do this as much as anybody. So I wonder if
this is now going to like who's gonna Who's gonna
cost their team a game potentially because they throw themselves
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on the ground trying to draw fout and next thing
you know, they get popped and they.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Say and some guys, that's just that's their way of
doing things, man. So it's going to be art for
them to unlearn those types of habits.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Like you're going to see guys flop.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's like the horse call tack, right, but.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now you're putting you're putting pressure on these referees, more
pressure on these referees because this is this is one
of those calls that is by interpretation and and maybe
they'll they'll review it and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
But I mean, what if you call the flop and
it maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Wasn't necessarily a flop, right, you know what if you
didn't call it and it definitely was a flop. It
just I think it opens up another lane of conversations
where already a much maligned group and the referees, especially
NBA referees. I think this creates a little bit more drama,
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you know, for the games, because I mean we.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
All see it.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Flops happen all the time in every game, all the
time in every game.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
So how does that? How do you clean? Like?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Are these technical fouls? So we're just going to keep
stopping playing having technical fouls?
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Shot?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like what where's you know, if they're really calling it?
How how what direction does this possibly go in?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I think it's uh, you know, I think it's it's
progress for the league because okay, because.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
That's what it is. They should do it for soccer too.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It is soccer is so bad.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I remember Eric Guinalda, the former US men's star, was
on with us years ago, and he's got kids who
play soccer, and he gets on like he just remembers
because you would play against, you know, other people growing
up in some of these leagues. And so he flopped
one time in a soccer game, and he said he
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came home and his dad laid into him and said,
he don't ever do that again. You're embarrassing our family
name when you do that, and he swore he would
never do it again. Some of these guys in soccer,
it's like they got shot from the press box, Like
they go down and then they break out this like
uh odor eaters spray and they start spraying down their
(26:10):
knee cap or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And the guys can take it off on a stretcher,
and what.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Do we do it here?
Speaker 6 (26:14):
But it's just built into the culture, like that's just that,
that's just what it is. And the NBA's turned into that.
So at least you're trying to steer clear of that,
you know, so hopefully it works out. Do you ever
do you ever flop or try and draw a holl
when you were playing basketball back in the day, No,
because you would have you would have gotten your balls
broken if you went back home, correct.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I just didn't know how to be that type of
guy that's all not theatrical enough.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Mean yeah, I had a hard time taking charges Jonas
because I basically had the flop like a guy wasn't
running through me, you know. So it was like I
gotta I gotta learn to fall when he comes near me,
and was just very weird. It just felt weird trying
(27:04):
to do it. Not to mention it hurt. The few
times I tried to like drop to the ground and
hit the ground for it, it hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Hurt my like my tailbone, it hurt. It just hurt so.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
And also the football mentality, I mean it feels like
that would be you st.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
But I was a hooper.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I was.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I was a basketball player first.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I mean I always been football culture, but I started
playing when I started playing sports. Basketball was my first
sport and I was pretty good at it. So that
was kind of It wasn't like I had a basketball,
you know, a football player's mentality on the hoop court.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I just I was a basketball player.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But I just was not into drawing, you know, charges
and flopping onto the ground.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Like when Julius Peppers was playing football, playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I don't recall it.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
That was a football player playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He was so she was so jacked.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
But it was good. He was good.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, he was good.
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What kind of stinks too? Though?
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There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
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Speaker 10 (32:12):
Ugly, all right.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
So we do it every single Wednesday. It's a weekly tradition.
We hand out some awards here on the show, So
lead to lap. Who's got what today?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And that's right.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Part of that tradition is we always start with the good.
And you know it's a good week because we got
LeVar giving us the good one.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, go back to the good. I mean it was
my birthday, you know what I mean? Like that's good.
I mean I made it to forty five years, had
a great Yeah, I had had a great, great time
in Vegas. Did some adulting, too much adulting, in fact,
(32:48):
some things you just shouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Did you gamble? Did you gamble?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It? All?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I did not I did not play one table. I
was just chilling out. And then to kind of top
off my birthday, my forty fifth, I went to a
place that I've never been before, and I flew into Albuquerque.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I drove to Roswell. That was a two hour drive.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I saw the countryside of New Mexico. I got a
history lesson from my guy q's mom who was driving.
Speaker 12 (33:24):
And.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, I went to a saloon that only had four
people in there, but their long islands were very strong.
In fact, they only serve you two long islands. They
give you a too long islands maximum, like that's your
cap really, So I had to actually get different drinks
(33:46):
in between before I got to my last one and
decided to get a long island to finish off the night.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
So it was good though.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It was a really it was a really really good week,
really good weekend and leading up into a very very
you know, baseball heavy week of sports. Yeah that was
that was my good because I didn't have any really
you know, sports stories to give that were good.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
That was good for me.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I mean, listen to a huge shout out to our
fine affiliate in Albuquerque, Fox Sports thirteen to fifty A.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
And I didn't know that that was still a thing
that it was. You can only get two drinks at
certain places.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
No, no, you could get more than two drinks.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Oh it was a two drink minimum.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
There were like, there were like three drinks that they
will not give you more than too.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, so it must have been strong.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It must have been. I mean I did feel it
that second one. I did fit. I ain't gonna lie.
I did feel it.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Man, those those Ufo long islands, they don't mess around
in Rosmo, you know, get after.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
The food was good. The presentation was horrible, but the
food was good.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Lee, who's got the the bad this week? And have
good without the bad? What was bad this week? Jonas?
Speaker 6 (35:04):
It's Joey Chestnut local slob James Are The excuses are
already starting.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's you know, as.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Somebody jumped on stage like we talked about last year,
and then it was this year. It's the weather delay,
and now he's getting older, and it's all these I
just don't And now that we find out the breaking
news from Iowa Sam earlier in the show that these
guys don't even keep these men and women don't even
keep the food down. They just eat it and then
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try and get rid of it as soon as the
cameras aren't looking. It feels like that's that's kind of cheating.
It feels like, you know, you know, we're loading up
your gloves and then you know, throwing away the plaster afterwards,
and nobody knows what happened. It's like, what are we
doing here? Like the keep the food down or doesn't
count at all. I don't get why people are so
excited about all this. People were devastated yesterday when there
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was a potential it was going to be canceled because
of weather and all the other stuff that came along
with it. I just think, I think to bad performance
all the way through the over under on hot dogs
and buns consumed for Joey CHESSNT was seventy one and
a half the dude hit sixty two, Like, you gotta
stop over hype in this guy. He gets way too
much love and it's been a disappointing performance in multiple
(36:15):
years now. I'm just not sold on Joey Chess.
Speaker 12 (36:17):
Note that's my bad for the Weekly all right, Well,
I have the honor of delivering the ugly and something
I was really looking forward to was the NASCAR Chicago
Street Circuit Race.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
The Grand Park to twenty the indaugural race there. What
was a very pretty backdrop turned out to be a
pretty ugly day. Rain delays, push it back, I leave
over an hour and they ended up actually cutting the
race short by twenty five laps due to lack of sunlight.
Tons of crashes all over the place because of dampness
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on the track, single file racing most of the day.
Kind of a big letdown. They canceled all the concerts
if you were there in attendance. So that was my
was this this was in Chicago. It was a Yeah,
it was disaster.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
All the way around.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Of course they're spinning it. It'll you know, it probably
get another chance. I'm sure it could do better.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But I mean the weather, the weather was awful.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, like we thought you was going to say something
else for her for yours.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Come on, it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Some different with you. I mean, I'm just saying we
thought you was bathing with with hobos again.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
No, Yeah, that was that was super ugly.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
By the way, are your are your legs still banged
up from those from the rat mice?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You got a hobo, you got a few marks left.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Still you imagine that over a week later, and you've
still got steward rat lice marks all over your legs and.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You still can't get your your bags right. Still, I'm
still still hunking it made it to l A, But
I don't know if I find it in person or what.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Hey, you don't get a rav shot.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
No I did not.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
I found the biggest and earliest spider I've ever seen
in my bathroom yesterday.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
That was ugly well dressed cobo.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
How big it.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Was like a big furry one like usually out here
you get like wolf spiders.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Nothing nothing too big, sure as.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
A spiders wasn't connected to a person.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Oh.
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Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of Iloa is a little bit of a lightning rod?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Like?
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Doesn't it feel like people are very opinionated one side
or another on Tua Either he's they buy into him
as being a good quarterback or they say, well, no,
he's not that great, And like, what do you think
that is?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
When it comes to Tua.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh, he's a high profile guy like since college. And
when you're a high profile guy that shows the potential
to be a high profile guy in the pros, then
you continue to be a high profile guy until you're not.
And that's just kind of the way. That's just kind
of the way it works. He's an intriguing He's an
(02:55):
intriguing player because he has shown the ability to be
able to win as a pro quarterback. Now he hasn't
shown he's a franchise pro quarterback yet, but I think
that that's still out for debate. That's that's up for
debate as to if he can transition into being that
(03:17):
type of quarterback. And then the added conversation of can
he stay healthy enough to achieve that.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I just think that there are.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Multiple opportunities to create, you know, narratives with tongue vloa
just based off of you know, those those those elements,
I mean, can he stay healthy enough for this team
to be good? And and and some people would say
should he even be playing? Should he even still be playing?
(03:48):
Or should he have hung it up? Should he hang
it up? Should he get another if he were to
get another concussion? There are just a lot of conversational
points that you can have and draw side on to
a tongue of aloa.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
It's just weird because you know, jaylen Watta was talking
and we'll hear a little bit from jaalen Wata, his
wide receiver. He was talking just about playing with Tua
all those years at Alabama and then obviously with the Dolphins.
But I just was thinking, like, when's the last time
there's been a quarterback who's been this much of a
lightning rod with zero like forced controversy like Tim Tebow.
(04:26):
Obviously there was people had issue with the you know,
they were bothered by the religious aspect to it. However
you feel on that, I mean, it didn't bother me,
but there were some people who didn't like how Tebow
just kind of handled himself. Obviously, we know the Kaepernick
stuff that was out there. It feels like there's been
lightning rods that's been forced by the people that are
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being discussed, Like those quarterbacks, they almost generate that themselves.
With Tua, he seems like the coolest dude, the nicest
guy in the world. Never an issue, great family. You know,
it's dealt with the injuries and all that, But for
some reason people are very animated and opinionated, opinionated rather
(05:07):
on both sides of it. However, you feel about him
as a franchise quarterback or not. And I don't know
if it's because they compare him to the same draft
class that was Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, or if
it's just that he played at Alabama, he played on
the biggest stage, and now he's with the Dolphins and
when he gets there, he's got you know, these concussions.
Brian Flores benches him a couple of times, you know,
(05:29):
in the middle of games his rookie year. It's just
weird how there's so much pushback by it by a
lot of people on Tua. I just I can't. I
can't seem to figure it out. Did you deal with
that when you got into the NFL? Were you a
lightning rod because of the way you played in college?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Some would say I was connected to controversy, But I'm
not a quarterback. And unless you're a quarterback, the type
of scrutiny and the type of lightning rod conversations that
take place are going to be very different. If I
was fighting through concussions, the conversations would be very different
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than what they are for a quarterback, So you just
start to understand that the spotlight is on its main character.
And if it was a singing group, a boy band,
the lead singer is always going to be the quarterback.
It's very few times, it's a very rare deal that
you get a guy that isn't at that position that
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is actually the lead singer of that of that group.
So of course they're going to get the most scrutiny
and the most criticisms and the most the most attention
because that's just where that's where the attention is. That's
just what it's it's geared to be. So it's not
about how you know, how much I've received, Like everybody,
(06:53):
if you're if you're a top prospect, you're going to
receive criticisms, you're going to receive you know, the cushion points,
you're you're going to receive attention, and that's going to
continue on either in a good direction or in a
bad direction, or it could change, you know, based off
of things that happened, Like there was the getting bench,
(07:17):
so now it's like, okay, it's to a good enough
that that starts to begin to be First off, it's
can he be healthy enough because of not head injuries,
but because of the injury he sustained at at Alabama.
That's like the first conversation you're having, like, Okay, did
they make a mistake taking him so high when he
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had an injury that could have ended his career in college?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
The health has always been a question with it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's always been a question. It's always been a question.
It's probably always right there. The story's probably already written.
You just got a feel in what the injury is
and what dated happened and what game had happened or
what practice had happened. But a lot of the these
guys already have their stories prepared for for to us.
So I just think that it's one of those things
(08:05):
where he's intriguing because he can be good. He can
end up being a very very fine quarterback for this franchise,
But can he stay healthy enough? And are the you know,
kind of are the cards you know, stacked up in
his favor? Like you want to see if that's going, Like,
are aren't people wondering if if Miami is going to
(08:29):
take over their division this season?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
They're pretty loaded?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mike Mike Uh, Mike Uh, Daniel Donald Daniels, Daniel.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, vape, Daniel no S no S.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Mike Daniels seems really confident right now. You listen to
his interviews, he sounds very confident. And I mean, they
just added Jalen Ramsey. They they they have players, they've
added more play like they did pretty.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Good in the draft.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just you know, they made an offer to Dalvin Cook,
which by the way, would be phenomenal for them. I
just think that he's one of those type of guys
that you're talking about him because you either love him
as a guy, or you're intrigued by the story because
you're someone who covers the National Football League, or you're
(09:25):
someone who's in you know that covers the Miami Dolphins,
and this is probably their best chance to be good in.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Quite some time.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There's just a lot of variables as to the reason
why to a tongue of a low is so important.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
As it applies to the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
So Jalen Wattle, his wide receiver, obviously played with him
in Alabama. Now he's a member of the Miami Dolphins.
He was talking with k p RC in Houston just
about Tua, the fit with Tua in that offense, and
what makes.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Such a special quarterback?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
What about to you make them special? His ball placement.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I think everybody sees it, Bob Faceman knowing exactly where
to put the ball where his receivers current not just catching,
but catching and run with it.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And so that's what makes to a tour.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
So Tyreek Hill has said that Tua tuga Iloa is
the most accurate quarterback in the NFL, and I think
you know, and he was talking with Michael Vick recently.
We've played a little bit of that yesterday with Michael Vick.
But his whole point was, look, he's the most accurate
quarterback in the NFL. And Michael Vick was saying, well,
(10:33):
you know, you're you're not catching balls from Patrick Mahomes anymore.
If you go back and look at Tyreek Hill's numbers
last year, those are those the best season he had
in his career probably and it was with Tua. And
you know, some you know, backup quarterbacks, because Tua got
banged up a little bit and knocked around and missed
a few games, a handful of games. But it's just
(10:54):
to me, I like it because it feels like there's
a little variety in the diet. You know, like you've
got all these strong arms quarterbacks, and then you get
this guy who nobody looks at to it and says, well,
he's got the strongest arm in the world. But if
he's accurate. I just wonder, as a defender, would you
rather deal with the quarterback who's got a cannon for
an arm, or would you rather deal with the quarterback
who's really really accurate, Like if you if you had
(11:16):
to choose to defend your dealing.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
With both, If you're dealing with both, Yeah, there's some
of them out there that's got both. I think you
would probably rather deal with a guy who has a
stronger arm than a guy who's more accurate, just just
for the simple fact that if the guy is accurate,
then chances are you don't have the ability to recover
to make plays on the ball. And if you do,
(11:41):
if you do and that guy is very accurate, then
chances are he's he's probably not going to throw it,
or that receiver has the better, the better.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Opportunity to get to the ball.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And you've got to be exceptional and now moment to
be able to make a play on an accurate like
deadly accurate quarterback. It's just difficult. So I would assume
a defender would rather take their chances on somebody who
has a stronger arm that's going to chuck it up
and hope that you know, their guy can run under it,
(12:19):
or they could power it through windows, different things like that.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I could be wrong. I would rather deal with
a guy with a stronger arm.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I just think I look at to a spot in
the NFL and that draft class him, Joe Burrow, justin
Herbert reminds me a lot of that four draft class.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And we've talked about it before, where.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
You've got Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and why am I
blanket Philip Rivers? Like if you look at all three
of those quarterbacks, like all of those quarterbacks had good careers,
good to great careers in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You've got a couple of you know, Holloway.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Two of them are Hall of famers.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Yeah, and then and then if Philip Rivers had won
a Super Bowl, I think there would be the argument
that he should be in the Hall of Fame as
well too. But like all of those quarterbacks did it differently.
They each had their own style, and all of those
quarterbacks had successful careers. I feel like Tua gets judged
against us though, yeah that's true. I mean, but you know,
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Roblisberger was mobile career.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But it's not not mobile mobile, but yeah, he was mobile.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
But I look at him and I go, Tua's going
to get compared in that draft class to Joe Burrow
and Justin Herbert for his entire career just is what
it is, especially Justin Herbert because he got taken one
pick before him. Until people are going to say, man,
did Miami make a mistake by doing it? And I
just think there's a real chance and it's more likely
that they're all going to have successful careers. They're just
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going to do it differently. And I think that's a
good spot for the NFL, to where you are seeing
people do things different. It's like in the NBA, everybody
can shoot a three, but when you do, you guy
pull up from eighteen to twenty feet in a kind
of nice, kind of a throwback. You don't see that
every day. When Jimmy Butler's hitting a mid range jumper
or you know some of these DeMar DeRozan's a mid
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range guy. You go, listen, we understand that it's a
different league now, but it's kind of nice to see
a throwback. And with Tua, you get a guy who
doesn't have a Hallitzer on his on his arm. He
doesn't you know, he's not, you know, slinging the ball
around one hundred and fifty miles an hour. But if
he's accurate, it's I still look at it and go
he could have a successful career and seemingly those guys
enjoy playing with him. Jayleen Wattle, Tyreek Hill can't say
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enough good things about him. McDaniel or vape Daniel, whatever
you want to call him, says good things about him.
As long as he can stay healthy, I think Tua
could be a very successful quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So I mean, I think the trend would would say
that that's accurate. I would say that's doable. I think
the complicated part of it is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah? Can that?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Jiu jitsu and Tiger style and grasshop for style and
you know, praying man is style. Can all of those
Shalin temples, the chambers? Can those things keep him healthy
during the course of the season.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
I'm still trying to figure out how jiu jitsu helps
you with concussions, Like I just I don't recall many
guys going, man, my head's killing me. Let me throw
on a dars choke real quick. Oh that'll work, That'll
take some of the pain away. Like it was judo,
and for whatever reason, people got a hold of jiu
jitsu and just ran with it because I think Vape Daniel, well,
I just.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Made that up. I just made that. I just made
it up. Jiu jitsu, karate, taekwondo. I was just making
it up. But I was just being funny about it.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
But no, but that's true though, But Vape Daniel did
say jiu jitsu, and I remember hearing that. Go that's
not what Tua said. Because when Tua originally made the comments,
it was Super Bowl week.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I remember that, and.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Then the coach got ahold of it and started talking
jiu jitsu, and it's a completely different discipline. So I just,
you know, I feel like he kind of steered everybody there.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
And you would know because you've done all of them.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah you know me, yeah big time.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, Hey no gee master knocks.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, that's true that that is a fair point. Again
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Speaker 2 (16:49):
This song stinks. What a brutal piece of meal.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
To tungue follow.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Come on, that's the sound you have to make when
you hit the ground when they sack you down. Kung
fu fighting.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with the air by the way,
coming up in about twenty minutes from now. It is Wednesday,
so that means our midweek awards we're gonna have the good,
the bad.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
The ugly.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Those will be coming up again from the tire rack
dot Com Studios.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
By the way, they were showing.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
So we've got NFL Network on one of the TVs
and studio here and they're showing the Houston Oilers.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
From nineteen ninety three. Oh kind, nice man.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I love the Houston Oilers growing up. What a badass
franchise and their their logo, their color scheme like warn Moon,
like Haywood, Jeffries, all those guys back in the day.
Cody Carlson is the backup quarterback, Buddy Ryan as the DC,
and then what was Kevin gilbrid is the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Remember they threw hands on this.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I was on the team with him in New York.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Kevin gilbrid how was he?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Oh he's cool with that. He was cool, super cool.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
And throwing fists with Buddy Ryan on the on the sideline.
Why didn't the Houston lee could you look this up?
Impromptu search? Why didn't when they the Texans were brought back,
why didn't they just go back to being the Oilers?
If Tennessee took the Titans and the Oilers was available,
why wouldn't you want to just bring make it the
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Houston Oilers? Why would you make it the Houston Texans?
The Texans name stinks like the Houston Oilers. Feels like
that would have been the goat to get it brought
back the old oil rig on the side of the helmet.
God man, little little mid nineties football for you here
on the show. Welcome to July, everybody, Lee, what do
we got.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Just the initial search is that an area businessmen who
were looking to create the franchise when the Houston Oilers
originally relocated to Tennessee, they were already in the process
of finding a new name.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh I was oilers offensive to somebody?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, I mean it must have been.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
It's still the Oilers franchise that is talking about oil.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I think it was just a new change of guard.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
And they it's not good for our environment.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, come on, man, sustainable energy.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
With the amount we got to pay for gas, we
can call whatever we want to call it.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
What are you mean oilers?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I got gash Oh no, thank you sir, great question.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
All right, so let's get into this conversation. I feel
like this is some good news. Everybody should be rallying
around this. But they're going to try something out the
NBA is it's called the flop test, which I feel like,
is uh, you could probably have some fun with that
and get in trouble at the same time. But the
flop test is the will be testing out this new
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flopping penalty in the Summer League this year, and it
feels like it should be an automatic, like everybody should
be on board with this. But the way this works
is that it's going to be determined by referees at
the game. It will be penalized by awarding the opposing
team one free throw and possession of the ball. So
if there's an obvious flop, like we see all the
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time in the NBA, this is a way for them
to say we don't want to be soccer. You had
a guy from Mexico the other night going to convulsions
when some guy ran by him, and it feels like
the NBA is saying, this is clearly an issue. It's
a bad look for our game. So now we've made
it to where it's not going to apply to your
personal foul calls or anything like that. But if you
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do flop on the court, then the other team's going
to get a free throw and they're going to get
the ball. Are you on board with this?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Do you think this is ok why wouldn't you make
it count towards their personal fouls?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
If you're going to do it, do it.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
See I think that so my understanding because they did
this back in twenty twelve. Yeah, I guess they're saying
that the flop is it'll be assessed as like an
unsportsmanlike technical foul, So it's not going to count towards
your personals or lead to an ejection. So okay, they're
going to identify me. Yeah, okay, at least it's progress.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
If you get too If you get two technical fouls,
you get kicked out of the game, right, don't you.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
So they're they're calling this a tech technical foul.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
They're calling it an unsportsmanlike technical foul.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, so yeah, all right, so I don't have been
a week of sports hypocrisy if you add so, I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Know if this is the same and the same realm
as like you know, a guy who you know is
three seconds in the key, you know, or somebody that
steps you know, there's a laying violation or something like that,
to where you don't it's not really counted against your total,
but you are. You are penalized for it in game.
That's what That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, you want people to think twice about doing
this whole this whole flopping thing. It has gotten a
little bit outrageous and it's kind of uncalled for. Like
I could see, like the flop on trying to take
a charge, no problem, but anything else, like the way
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you're getting deed up, or somebody touches you when you shoot,
or running through a pick, whatever it may be, to
just drop and flop the way some of these guys
are dropping and flopping. I just I ain't with it.
It doesn't work out, It doesn't work well for me
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selfishly speaking, I don't like looking at it.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, it's Joelle Embiid has thrown himself on the ground
at times that it's mind boggling.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Lebron James, oh God, is the flopper or flops?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
And that's what I wonder too, if this is really
up to if this is the officials, you know, it's
up to him. It's him, it's his jurisdiction. He's gonna
call what he wants to call. And if he sees
Lebron throw himself on the floor, is he less likely
to call it because it's Lebron and more likely more
likely to call it if it's a guy like Marcus
Smart who doesn't have the name recognition of Lebron.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's what I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't know what the right answer to that is,
but I just know it definitely needs to happen.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It needs to happen.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Yeah, it's Jokic was another one. He threw himself down
I think it was against the Lakers, and he threw
himself down to where Lebron and everybody's like, come on, man,
what's happening here? And the thought was, well, Lebron, you
do this as much as anybody. So I wonder if
this is now going to like who's gonna Who's gonna
cost their team a game potentially because they throw themselves
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on the ground trying to draw fout and next thing
you know, they get popped and they.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Say and some guys, that's just that's their way of
doing things, man. So it's going to be art for
them to unlearn those types of habits.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Like you're going to see guys flop.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's like the horse call tack, right, but.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now you're putting you're putting pressure on these referees, more
pressure on these referees because this is this is one
of those calls that is by interpretation and and maybe
they'll they'll review it and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
But I mean, what if you call the flop and
it maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Wasn't necessarily a flop, right, you know what if you
didn't call it and it definitely was a flop. It
just I think it opens up another lane of conversations
where already a much maligned group and the referees, especially
NBA referees. I think this creates a little bit more drama,
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you know, for the games, because I mean we.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
All see it.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Flops happen all the time in every game, all the
time in every game.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
So how does that? How do you clean? Like?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Are these technical fouls? So we're just going to keep
stopping playing having technical fouls?
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Shot?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like what where's you know, if they're really calling it?
How how what direction does this possibly go in?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I think it's uh, you know, I think it's it's
progress for the league because okay, because.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
That's what it is. They should do it for soccer too.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It is soccer is so bad.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I remember Eric Guinalda, the former US men's star, was
on with us years ago, and he's got kids who
play soccer, and he gets on like he just remembers
because you would play against, you know, other people growing
up in some of these leagues. And so he flopped
one time in a soccer game, and he said he
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came home and his dad laid into him and said,
he don't ever do that again. You're embarrassing our family
name when you do that, and he swore he would
never do it again. Some of these guys in soccer,
it's like they got shot from the press box, Like
they go down and then they break out this like
uh odor eaters spray and they start spraying down their
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knee cap or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And the guys can take it off on a stretcher,
and what.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Do we do it here?
Speaker 6 (26:14):
But it's just built into the culture, like that's just that,
that's just what it is. And the NBA's turned into that.
So at least you're trying to steer clear of that,
you know, so hopefully it works out. Do you ever
do you ever flop or try and draw a holl
when you were playing basketball back in the day, No,
because you would have you would have gotten your balls
broken if you went back home, correct.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I just didn't know how to be that type of
guy that's all not theatrical enough.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Mean yeah, I had a hard time taking charges Jonas
because I basically had the flop like a guy wasn't
running through me, you know. So it was like I
gotta I gotta learn to fall when he comes near me,
and was just very weird. It just felt weird trying
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to do it. Not to mention it hurt. The few
times I tried to like drop to the ground and
hit the ground for it, it hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Hurt my like my tailbone, it hurt. It just hurt so.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
And also the football mentality, I mean it feels like
that would be you st.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
But I was a hooper.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I was.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I was a basketball player first.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I mean I always been football culture, but I started
playing when I started playing sports. Basketball was my first
sport and I was pretty good at it. So that
was kind of It wasn't like I had a basketball,
you know, a football player's mentality on the hoop court.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I just I was a basketball player.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But I just was not into drawing, you know, charges
and flopping onto the ground.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Like when Julius Peppers was playing football, playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I don't recall it.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
That was a football player playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He was so she was so jacked.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
But it was good. He was good.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
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Speaker 6 (28:47):
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you know a little there's like something festive about it,
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What kind of stinks too? Though?
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Speaker 6 (30:04):
It's got good vibes attached to it.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
It's too cheesy, too lame. Oh god, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3 (32:02):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
Ugly, all right.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
So we do it every single Wednesday. It's a weekly tradition.
We hand out some awards here on the show, So
lead to lap. Who's got what today?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And that's right.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Part of that tradition is we always start with the good.
And you know it's a good week because we got
LeVar giving us the good one.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, go back to the good. I mean it was
my birthday, you know what I mean? Like that's good.
I mean I made it to forty five years, had
a great Yeah, I had had a great, great time
in Vegas. Did some adulting, too much adulting, in fact,
(32:48):
some things you just shouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Did you gamble? Did you gamble?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It? All?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I did not I did not play one table. I
was just chilling out. And then to kind of top
off my birthday, my forty fifth, I went to a
place that I've never been before, and I flew into Albuquerque.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I drove to Roswell. That was a two hour drive.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I saw the countryside of New Mexico. I got a
history lesson from my guy q's mom who was driving.
Speaker 12 (33:24):
And.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, I went to a saloon that only had four
people in there, but their long islands were very strong.
In fact, they only serve you two long islands. They
give you a too long islands maximum, like that's your
cap really, So I had to actually get different drinks
(33:46):
in between before I got to my last one and
decided to get a long island to finish off the night.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
So it was good though.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It was a really it was a really really good week,
really good weekend and leading up into a very very
you know, baseball heavy week of sports. Yeah that was
that was my good because I didn't have any really
you know, sports stories to give that were good.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
That was good for me.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I mean, listen to a huge shout out to our
fine affiliate in Albuquerque, Fox Sports thirteen to fifty A.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
And I didn't know that that was still a thing
that it was. You can only get two drinks at
certain places.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
No, no, you could get more than two drinks.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Oh it was a two drink minimum.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
There were like, there were like three drinks that they
will not give you more than too.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, so it must have been strong.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It must have been. I mean I did feel it
that second one. I did fit. I ain't gonna lie.
I did feel it.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Man, those those Ufo long islands, they don't mess around
in Rosmo, you know, get after.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
The food was good. The presentation was horrible, but the
food was good.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Lee, who's got the the bad this week? And have
good without the bad? What was bad this week? Jonas?
Speaker 6 (35:04):
It's Joey Chestnut local slob James Are The excuses are
already starting.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's you know, as.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Somebody jumped on stage like we talked about last year,
and then it was this year. It's the weather delay,
and now he's getting older, and it's all these I
just don't And now that we find out the breaking
news from Iowa Sam earlier in the show that these
guys don't even keep these men and women don't even
keep the food down. They just eat it and then
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try and get rid of it as soon as the
cameras aren't looking. It feels like that's that's kind of cheating.
It feels like, you know, you know, we're loading up
your gloves and then you know, throwing away the plaster afterwards,
and nobody knows what happened. It's like, what are we
doing here? Like the keep the food down or doesn't
count at all. I don't get why people are so
excited about all this. People were devastated yesterday when there
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was a potential it was going to be canceled because
of weather and all the other stuff that came along
with it. I just think, I think to bad performance
all the way through the over under on hot dogs
and buns consumed for Joey CHESSNT was seventy one and
a half the dude hit sixty two, Like, you gotta
stop over hype in this guy. He gets way too
much love and it's been a disappointing performance in multiple
(36:15):
years now. I'm just not sold on Joey Chess.
Speaker 12 (36:17):
Note that's my bad for the Weekly all right, Well,
I have the honor of delivering the ugly and something
I was really looking forward to was the NASCAR Chicago
Street Circuit Race.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
The Grand Park to twenty the indaugural race there. What
was a very pretty backdrop turned out to be a
pretty ugly day. Rain delays, push it back, I leave
over an hour and they ended up actually cutting the
race short by twenty five laps due to lack of sunlight.
Tons of crashes all over the place because of dampness
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on the track, single file racing most of the day.
Kind of a big letdown. They canceled all the concerts
if you were there in attendance. So that was my
was this this was in Chicago. It was a Yeah,
it was disaster.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
All the way around.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Of course they're spinning it. It'll you know, it probably
get another chance. I'm sure it could do better.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But I mean the weather, the weather was awful.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, like we thought you was going to say something
else for her for yours.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Come on, it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Some different with you. I mean, I'm just saying we
thought you was bathing with with hobos again.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
No, Yeah, that was that was super ugly.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
By the way, are your are your legs still banged
up from those from the rat mice?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You got a hobo, you got a few marks left.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Still you imagine that over a week later, and you've
still got steward rat lice marks all over your legs and.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You still can't get your your bags right. Still, I'm
still still hunking it made it to l A, But
I don't know if I find it in person or what.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Hey, you don't get a rav shot.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
No I did not.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
I found the biggest and earliest spider I've ever seen
in my bathroom yesterday.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
That was ugly well dressed cobo.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
How big it.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Was like a big furry one like usually out here
you get like wolf spiders.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Nothing nothing too big, sure as.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
A spiders wasn't connected to a person.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
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