August 13, 2026 • 41 mins
In Hour 3 of the show, Brady Quinn & LaVar Arrington discuss the Lakers being sold yet again in a year span this time to Bob Iger and Josh Kushner. Plus, the guys go more in depth on the Jayden Daniels mad that LSU is not retiring his college number, we have a Tupac edition of The Leftovers, and more!!
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we talked about going into the last break. A team
that just sold a year ago that's sold again, and
that's the La Lakers. One of the greatest franchises in
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sports history, was bought by Mark Walter last year. He
bought I should say, he bought a controlling interest of
the La Lakers, which was vied a ten billion, and
he's now made the decision to turn around and sell
it just a year later for twelve point five billion.
So simple math, folks, at least just based on evaluation,
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have billion dollars in a year's time.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
That is one hell of a business deal. Now he's
selling it. And this is where it gets a little
bit controversial to John Kushner and Bob Iger. Bob Iyger
obviously the Seal of Disney.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
John Kushner has relations back Kushner Family, Jared Kushner, which
is tied back to the White House, So obviously people
start to get very up in arms about that. But
both Iiger and Kushner were actually involved in the expansion
process for a Las Vegas NBA team. However, they pivoted
quickly and rather aggressively to try to buy the Lakers. Now,
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the sale still needs approval from the NBA's Board of Governors,
which could take like a few weeks probably, But I mean,
who's going to say no to a twelve and a
half billion dollar valuation on NBA franchise? Like that's that
high tide that raises all boats. And I would assume
that everyone else on the board is going to look around.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And be like, yeah, we're okay with that, Like we'd love.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
For the Lakers to be valued at that, which puts
them amongst some of the most valued franchises in all
sports around the globe. Now again, here's where things get
kind of interesting. Mark Walter, who built his financial empire
on the insurance industry, Well, he's under federal investigation for
alleged tax fraud by other companies tied to the billionaire
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US prosecutors and Manhattan Or examining whether the Delaware Life
Insurance Company and the clear Spring Life and Annuity Company
failed to disclose that their private credit holdings were backed
by other Walter controlled ventures. Now there's also a simultaneous
SEC investigation going on too, So the thought is that
maybe there's kind of a quid pro quo. That's an
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arms length away where maybe these investments investigations will go
away now because of the sale, and so Walter makes
his profit, doesn't have to worry about the investigations into
how he was able to buy the team in the
first place in exchange for selling the team with this
legendary franchise to Schner and Eiger.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
So that's the backstory. Wise, there's a lot of people
who are.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Kind of upset about that here well, And that's the
other part of it is there's a thought that maybe
there was pressure on him, he was forced to sell it,
and there's a lot of conspiracy theories around it. So
we could take it at face value or we can
go down that rabbit hole. My thing is, either way,
I'm not sure. I guess this is a good thing
for the Lakers. Maybe it's not because we've had ownership
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changes over the past couple of years and typically this
doesn't happen. But I look at this and just say,
all right, the valuation makes the NBA look extremely healthy
for the Lakers to be value twelve and a half,
but that's great. My question is, like Dude Kusher and
Igre have enough capital to invest into this team to
make them what they can be, because we also have
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a story about Matt Ishba who's lost about six hundred
million of wealth over the past couple of years betting
on basic interest rates going down, and that's going to
have an impact on the Phoenix Suns and how that
team is run, the ability to have to build out
a roster. So that's kind of the bigger picture conversation
is it's like, when you pay that much for a franchise,
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are you still gonna be liquid enough to be able
to help them?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And really, Luka Danci build around this team.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I don't know if they have the resources to do it,
but I do know this, they had the resources to
get it, as you mentioned, and that's some serious resources.
What you do from there, I don't know that it
even really matters, Q. I mean, the economics of it
math out right. This guy just cashed in for two
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and a half billion profit on his investment.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
The value of this team is it would take.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
A cataclysmic happening for it to lose the value that
it holds. I mean, the Lakers brand is an established, historical,
strong anchor brand and it's an amazing market so to
get your hands on this type of an asset. I
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mean we often have the conversation sometimes do owners really
get into it to win games? Or do they get
into it as it's an investment. Is it a place
to place your money or whatever it may be that
that they're you know, what their financial plan or or
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what they want want their outcome to be. I sometimes
wonder if winning is even even part of the equation.
You would hope so, and you would think so, because
that's what's equated to sports. But there is another side,
like some of these people that own these teams, they
don't even like sports. They don't relate to athletes. It's
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an investment and it's purely based off of a business decision,
and they have the resources and the means to be
able to do it. So and people that don't relate
to athletes, they're very different. They're they're very different than
people who are athletes or relate to it. So I
would say, if you're able to get a hold of
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an asset like this, I don't even know that it
matters if they can put the resources behind it for
the team to win. They got Luca, so they have
they have a franchise guy and as long as they
can keep him healthy and market it the way that
they need to. They still have Lebron James as well
for now, so to speak, and they just have leverageable
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you know, assets on the team that also can go
with saying that you know, we're at least trying to
pro team up, well that's Lebron.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Ron.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, But I mean we're not saying that.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I was gonna say, though I saw what sure, I
was going.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
To question if you think that they would have built
the roster the way they did after this offseason.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Like we got a lot of white guys.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Let's just throw what it is, like it drew a
lot of interest from folks.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I was going to go that direction, But I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I'm just asking you, like, do you like they just
bought the team, Like was that an encouraging thing?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Because clearly they paid two and a half billion more
than what Walter did. I would have thought the value
went down.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean, they might have looked at how they made
those moves and made it an all white squad, was like,
you know what, this is the perfect time to buy
you know what, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
What I would have thought based on what they did
this offseason, they would have sold they would have sold
it a loss for like two billion, not making a
half billion.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I'm just saying, like, we know the short term out look.
I mean, we'll see what they're able to end up doing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't want to downplay it, but I just you know,
Lebron's not there anymore. You seem to think there's such
a windfall. It's like he left and all of a sudden,
the franchise got more valuable.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I don't know if that's like the brand, but the brand,
that's what I.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Would say, keeps increasing in value.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Or maybe when Lebron left, they left Browny on his
own and that's how it increased in value. They're like,
all right, now we got the younger James that will
carry on the legacy as an LA Laker. Okay, I'm
just saying it was it was interesting to see all
of this, and we don't see unless there's some sort
of scandal, unless there's something that happens that legally that
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would tarnish the league with that particular owner, you don't
see these sorts of transactions happening in three hundred and
sixty five days it just doesn't. I believe Mark Walter
bought this team back in October. I mean, dude, it's August.
It wasn't even a full calendar year. And so to
think that even Kushner and Eiger and their conversations could
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pivot that quickly from you know, looking at having to
try to put a franchise or expansion franchise in Las Vegas.
Maybe how difficult that would be, maybe the cost of that.
Maybe they thought their money was better spent with what
they currently.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Have with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And I do tend to believe there's less risk, right, Like,
you're buying a storied franchise that carries you know, over
generations and obviously where it's at the number two media
market everything that goes along with that, even though you're
sharing the market with the Clippers, although they're kind of
an afterthought, there is something too that, hey, maybe this
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was an easier decision for them because they don't have
to start anew they don't have to start with trying
to figure out how you're going to build up to
be a competitive franchise in a Las Vegas market that's
going to be welcoming a baseball team. It's already got
a football team that's struggled so far to really find
their feed or find their ground. It just it seems
like kind of a well, there's.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
That that's true. There is that the hockey.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The hockey expansion team didn't have any issues having success.
But I think it would be harder in basketball. I mean,
they'd really have to bank on trying to get a
superstar to go there.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I just look at this and think it's a
no brainer.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But also how quick this changed, and looking at Mark
Walter's situation, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Not to be suspect.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, it comes off and feels that way like, hey,
if I sell this man, maybe all this will go
away and I'm gonna make a profit off of it,
which is kind of wild to think.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And it's already done, right, it's it's solidified, it's done.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It has to be approved by the NBA Board of
Governors and.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
They they will approve it.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Why turn it into a messy It's bad for business
if they turn it into a messy situation.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Right, Yes, it's just you know, I look at this
and think you also have you know, Bob Iger's not
young body means he's seventy five years old, and I'm
not saying that he shouldn't be able to purchase the
team because of his age, but obviously John Kushner is
way younger. Well, the reality is is like, if it
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was just okay, I'll put it this way, if it
was just John Kushner buying the franchise, which I'm I'm
assuming he needed more help, you know, raising some of
the capital, even though he's got thrived capital and he's
been extremely successful. He's a billionaire in his own right
for what he's been able to do. But I'm sure
that Bob Iger portion of this helps with the NBA
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giving Kushner the approval to buy because they need that steady,
veteran wise hand behind all of this, and so Kushner
obviously extend out. But like Iger at seventy five, is
he going to be as involved in the day to
day operations.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't know. Time will tell, but I look at
this and just.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Wonder, are you a little suspect too if there's there
a conflict of interest? Obviously Bob Iger spent a long
time at Walt Disney right ESPN. Like, is that is
that a good thing or a bad thing? There's just
there's a lot of things that you know, you wonder
if there's not a conflict of interest, but if Disney
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ESPN is gonna get you know, a little bit of
that that kind of better treatment I'm looking at for
the different rights, even though the NBC now has some
of the broadcast rights. Say, it's just the whole thing
draws a lot of questions more than answers in my mind.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Well, cool thing about sports that I've always loved is
that we're it's gonna whatever is going to be, it's
going to happen, and it's going to develop, and as
you mentioned the other day, the media is going to
cover it, you know, and you'll ultimately sometimes we'll find
ourselves saying, what are you ultimately trying to learn or not?
Speaker 5 (13:31):
What do you want to know about it? Or what's
left or what's on the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Sports media jumps on everything, and this is one of
those stories that while it will go away, much like
any other story that's out there, while it will go away,
there's always that one reporter, that one person that's paying
attention to all of the stuff that's going on behind
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the scenes. And if something drops, if something hits they're
going to report it and then.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
We'll be here to talk about it. So that's the
beauty of sports.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And as this thing unfolds and plays out, I'm sure
we'll get as much information as we're privy to through
those people that handle these types of media stories.
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I'll be honest with you, it doesn't look like there's
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Speaker 1 (15:45):
We talked to Albert Breer a little over an hour
ago and discuss the Atlanta Falcons quarterback situation, which it
seemed like, given the injury histories at to talking about
Loa coming out of Alabama, but also to Miami and
combinding that with Michael Pennix, who also had his fair
share of injury issues throughout college, that combining the two
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lefties together would end up in a recipe for I
don't know, a disaster of both of them playing.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I mean, the reality is both these.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Guys have had their issues at Penis recovering from a
torn acl Tua having some issues already during training camp.
All these things have led to now what for you
in the mind of LeVar Arrington with Atlanta this season?
I mean, do you just not have any outlook at all?
Does it matter to you who wins this quarterback job?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, they made a surprise pick for Pinnix, and they
let Kirk Cousins go, and letting him go, you brought
in Tua, And I mean I questioned the idea of
bringing in Tua to be honest, I just didn't feel
like that would be a safe pivot just based upon
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his injury history and the magnitude of what that injury
history is with the concussions. But I guess now the
reports are he's dealing with back tightness and stuff like that. Like,
I don't find that to be overly concerning. But what
I will say is is if I'm looking at the
health of the team overall and what they're capable of doing,
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when I look at this quarterback situation, it's intriguing because
I believe that Michael Pennix was good enough in college
where you would ask yourself or give yourself the conclusion
that the potential still is there that he could be
a really good pro as far as with too if
we've seen how good he can be, but how good
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can he be right now?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
How good can he be with a new team, and
if he.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Is able to be an effective player, which I don't
think anybody will be surprised they got they have talent
on the team, but ke, I think the biggest question
would be can he stay healthy and your one hit away,
your one situation away where everything could change with what
you have going on with Tua, And I think that's
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got to be a major concern because if he's not
playing the style of football that he plays, which is
moving around, extending the play, taking some hits here and
there to make the play work, it doesn't seem like
he has the same amount of success when he's being
a little bit more cautious and aware of not taking
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any hits or getting rid of the ball sooner. Just
doesn't seem right. So I would be concerned. I don't
have a dog in the fight with the Falcons, but
I would be concerned if I'm a Falcons fan, because
I'm not sure you have a definitive answer. And for
what it's worth, it's a quarterback competition, and I think
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the continued theme right now outside of Minnesota, I think
if you're looking out a quarterback competition, it is because
is not a true belief in either one of those
quarterbacks that they could actually really.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Get it done. And I don't see that being any
different in this situation.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Here's the difficulty for the Atlanta Falcons and really their
fan base is it's been a revolving door since.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Matt Ryan left.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Right, it was Marcus Mariota back in twenty twenty two,
I believe, where he was the leading passer, and then
that kind of had its stint in that one away.
Then it was Desmond Ritter who came as a rookie
a lot of promise to hoping he could be the
guy that wasn't the case.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
That it was Cousins. Then it was Pennix last season.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So if you actually look through you know their their
series of years now, they have not been able to
find this stability and consistency that they found with Matt Ryan,
and that makes it tough. And this has been a
team that's lived also though in purgatory, where they've been
good at times, but not quite good enough to have
a winning record, right years of seven to ten, seven
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to ten, eight, nine, eighty nine, and unfortunately that's just
not good enough and for NFL standards, let alone to
keep a coach around, obviously moving on from Raheem Morris,
and that's why you're in the position here now with
Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, the expectation is to win.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's to get back to playing some winning football, get
back to the playoffs. But this quarterback situation, it's almost
a dilemma because it feels like even once they settle
it and decide who's going to be the guy, that
the next guy's got to stay ready because of both
their injury histories, and I'm not really sure you can
rely on either one. So it could be again a
year that we're watching the Falcons get through the season
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with multiple quarterbacks and then be drafting somewhere high enough
to take one of these talented guys that currently at
the college level. Speaking of the college level, this story
came across late last night. You know, it's kind of
interesting too, and I'm really curious to get your thoughts
on it because it plays into I think things that
maybe you could have done too if you wanted to
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at Penn State. But Jayden Daniels, another quarterback who I
guess you could say has had ruggles at least in
his two seasons so far in the NFL staying healthy,
he has sent the has sent LSU basically as ceased
and assist and reason bing is LSU has given out
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the number five to DJ Pickett, which is obviously that's
the number that Jade Daniels wore when he transferred LSU
and then won the third Heisman and program history back
in twenty twenty three. But he doesn't basically, he doesn't
like the fact that LSU is handing this jersey number out.
We've seen this with other people too. I think we
talked about, you know, Matt Lionert and some of that
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with different teams basically saying like, hey, do we go
to these guys and tell them like and ask permission
for it? And the reason why this is bringing up
being brought up is because Jade Daniels doesn't feel like
LSU is respecting what he was able to accomplish there
the same way they respected Joe Burrow, whose number nine
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jersey isn't retired, but it's been pretty well thought of that,
you know, they're not gonna let anyone wear it unless
they feel like it's warranted, and maybe they'll go through
the process of that. But the difference is what Joe
Burro went fifteen to zero, won the Heisman, but also
won a national championship. That didn't necessarily happen with Jade Daniels,
even though he did have a phenomenal season and did
win the Heisman. I'm just wondering, like, when you see
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this sort of stuff going on and you see guys
at the pro level who are looking back and saying, no,
I don't want that guy to wear my number, does
it bother you as a guy who's really embraced it
and created like a brand off of it and really
continue to perpetuate the legend of that or do you
sit there looking and go like that's their decision that
they could do what they want.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I mean for him, when does it see? For me?
It always mattered, right? So when you think.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
About eleven and the whole development of Styx and Stick
City and all that stuff, I realized going into it
what the number meant to me, right, and what I
was trying to do and developing the fact that a
linebacker hadn't wore the number and made it a relevant
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number for the position. So I had an idea of
what I was thinking, and once I left, I also
had an idea. Well, I didn't have an idea. I
gotta be honest. I didn't really think about it in
a way that I did after I had my interactions
with Navarro.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I didn't look at the number as being a relevant
number to hand out until me and Navarro went through
an off season of fellowship and talking through things and mentorship,
and it was like Apollo Cree giving Rocky his And
it's funny, but because I used this example, because that's
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what I was thinking in my mind when I was like,
I went to Joe and I went to the coaches,
and I said, I want Navarro to change is number
to eleven. I mean and Navarro had talked, talked over it,
went through it, went through the plan of it to
rebrand him, to reset it so that people could see him.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
For who he is, not for what the reports were saying.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So I did it out of just kind of trying
to help build Navarro up to being what you know,
just look at how he plays, don't look at some
of the things that have been reported about him. So
for Jaydon Daniels, if it started mattering because they gave
it to somebody that he didn't feel like deserved it.
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I think that's ultimately a conversation that you have to
have behind closed doors because I'll say this, doing it
out in the public, you don't want to embarrass them.
You don't want to embarrass the coaching So that have
ultimately the school owns the number.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And that's funny because that's a conversation that I've been
having with with you know, Penn State is I mean,
they're they're bringing in all these these private equity companies
and stuff like that and trying to find ways to
you know, fund in il and fund their athletes. Let
me buy my number, Like start putting numbers out there,
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if it's Matt Liner, let and and and let I mean,
I'm I don't want to sound cheap because I feel
like if if you have even the opportunity to do this,
que that means that you made your number matter, right,
your number matter? And so to me, I look at
it like award award that player. If a player won
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the Heisman and they're the original person to to wear
that number, award them ownership of their number.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
What is it going to hurt?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
What is it going to hurt?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And and and what does it hurt if you start
creating a process like because now there's more people that
would relate Micah or Abdul to the eleven than they
would do me.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
And that's that's what to me.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That's the purpose of building a brand in a legacy
behind the number that you wore.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
So they should be able.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
To make a decision and help make the decision on
who represents that number as well. I don't think it
should be confrontational between the player and the school. I
think it should be something that is discussed and embraced
and whatever the intentions or the agenda or the feelings
of that player who make that number relevant for your school,
it should be a conversation with the people that are
making decisions after school.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
It's a really interesting idea.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I mean, obviously it's one way to generate more revenue
if you're able to sell numbers, in particular players who
you feel like, hey, maybe they should have a piece
of this when people are still buying these jerseys, whether
it's you know, you, Mike or whoever else is one
to eleven. What I find, you know, as part of
the conversation about this is, in like Liner's case, for example,
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they retire it, so if they want to bring it
back out of retirement, they have to talk to the
player about it, or Carson Palmer about it, whoever else,
And you know, in that way, they're kind of protecting it, right,
but you have control.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It feels like, you know, notre Dame. They don't retire numbers.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So I just feel like, don't you feel like retiring
a number makes the number irrelevant, Like it's gone. The
number's gone, which means like for me, like I look
at it like this. I'm not a I'm not a
tremendously ego driven dude. I want to see I created
(27:23):
something and and it worked. But to think that I
want to be the only one that was good and
I'm the only one that wore the number.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I would much rather facilitate and be a part of,
Like think about what the community that has been built
around wearing the number eleven at Penn State. You can't
you don't want to wear the number if you can't
represent it. Right at this point, It's like you put
on the number you've put on like a weighted vest, Like,
(27:55):
are you sure you're gonna you're okay with taking on
the weight of the old Carter just Ward, Michael Parsons
warp before him, Brandon bell Ward before him, Kyrie fort
Warred before him, Navarro Bowman warred before him, LaVar Arrington
ward before him.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Are you okay with taking on that weight? To me?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I love that type of drama playing out versus the
numbers gone like, and then you get thirty forty fifty
years from from the number Q, It's like, what does
it matter unless you're really seeking out the information? Why
haven't I seen somebody wear that number? How often does
(28:36):
that matter? How often do you Why isn't somebody wearing
you know, number ten out notre dame?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Like what you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Like?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
But if people wear it, if people wear.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
It and you can, you know, the school embraces what
the number represents, the history of it, the legacy of it.
I think keeping a jersey in rotation done with respect
is the right move. I just retire, retire something you know,
do something that you retire. I don't know what it is,
but I just feel like retiring a number, eh, you know,
(29:13):
I don't know. I just think that's a big ego thing,
like don't ever wear my number. Well, people are going
to forget who the hell you are anyway, So I
have a better chance. I have a better chance if
you look at Michael Parsons, it's like, oh, well, who
wore it before him? Oh what, what's the history of
the number? I have a better chance of you rekindling
what you thought about me through that rather than it
being retired.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
It's a valid point, you know. I think it goes
both ways.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know, in the case of SC when they're retired,
they're put up prominently in the coliseum, so you can
still see that the numbers that are retired. But to
your point, I mean, it is a reminder of all
those that came before you and the legacy that you
kind of inherit when you take on that number, both
for the current player and for the guys in the past.
So I can see it both ways. I mean, look
(29:58):
at that the digit pick up. I was a really
good player for LSU. But I think that the crux
of the issue is that Jane Daniels doesn't feel like
he's getting the same treatment as Joe Burrow. You know,
no one has war number nine since Joe Burrow left
after winning the Heisman a national championship in twenty nineteen.
So because of that, I feel like he's like, hey,
(30:19):
wait a second, Like I won the Heisman a few
years ago and you're already getting this thing back out.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And look in today's Warley College football.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know, verge Osbury their athletic director, and I'm sure
the rest of the staff now with Lane Kiff and
everyone else, they're doing everything they can to keep players.
They're doing everything they can to try to fight a
way of getting that cornerback over Georgia or Bama or
Ole Miss or whoever else you want to throw Texas
at Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean they're doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You want, you want that number, We'll get to that number, right,
Like that's one of the toughest he.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Is the defensive guy.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, he's a sophomore cornerback.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
It doesn't it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I understand. I understand what you're saying. I understand here.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
If the number is still in rotation, Like if you
want to have that discussion point, then have the discussion
point that, Okay, if you want it removed from rotation,
then then have that discussion behind closed doors because eleven
is worn by offensive players too at Penn State, right,
I don't care, Like the number eleven on offense doesn't
(31:23):
even represent the number eleven on defense. So there's eleven
on offense, You're you have eleven on Like it's so
funny because it doesn't even matter to me. Like when
I go to the games, I'll see a receiver come out.
I'd be like, all right, represent them, represent that eleven.
Represent that allowed. I'll say, represent the sticks. I say,
represent the eleven.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Like people throw.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Matt mcglowing out there, like, oh I m glowing war eleven,
Like great, he wore the number eleven. But sticks is different.
That's a that's a different animal. So if I'm jaydens Daniels,
it's a leverage. It's a place, so leverage it. Leverage it,
Like if you don't I don't like the way they're
representing it. Q I didn't sit there and say to
(32:04):
Penn say I don't like the way we're representing eleven,
or you shouldn't have offensive guys. Da da da you
define it you're Jane Daniels. Don't don't complain to the
media about it. For the school to do something, you
lean into it. You create what you wanted to be.
That's what I did. It didn't just happen that way.
It didn't just turn into this is the number, da
(32:25):
da da this and that.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
You gotta be an intention.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I think it's I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think it's about fairness though, and him kind of
saying like, hey, I accomplished a similar amount as Joe Burrow.
You gave Joe Burrow this treatment. You're not giving me
this treatment. And I would also go a step further
and say, I wonder if it differs for these young
men because you know, both players in this case came
from different schools.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
They didn't start at LSU.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Sure, And I do think that when we look at
a lot of these younger players who start somewhere else
and go somewhere else and have success, like Burrow or
Jade Daniels, it's about their legacy, like they're trying to
maintain a portion of their legacy because people forget that
Daniels that played in Arizona State.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
People don't really remember.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, maybe Buckeyes fans do because they take pride
in the fact that our Ohio boy who went from
Ohio State to LSU won the Heisman and national championship.
But a lot of people ten years from now won't
remember that. They just the LSU fans will remember that
he was a guy who went to LSU, won a
national championship, won the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
So there, I think there's an element of this, and
it matters.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
To different people in different ways where they're trying to
maintain their legacy and keep their legacy, and maybe the
jersey number for them matters that much. So I understand
where Jaden and Daniels is coming from. I'm in your camp,
though I think you're you're not giving like for me.
Noah Grubbs, he's a freshman quarterback at a late like
Mary Florida. Really good player, had a great high school career.
(33:47):
He's wearing number ten at the quarterback spot. I hope
he goes And I always say this, like I said
this one CJ. Carr got there. He's not wearing number ten.
But you like, I want the next generation to be better.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Than to be better?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes, yeah, like I look my kids like that. I
look at the players that I coach like that, and
you hope for that too. So even though this is
more in a business vein or sense, to your point,
like you'd like Jade Daniels to say, like let dj
Pickett make his legacy with number five on the other
side of the ball, right, allow these other guys to
(34:18):
wear it. And and by the way, like before he
got there, didn't jimor Chase what number that he were
two or five?
Speaker 4 (34:25):
You were too? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I'm just going back and thinking about some of the
maybe prominent players that have warned, maybe even before Jay
Daniels got it.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
But my whole points like Sam eleven before me.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Sam Gash is a relevant name in the history of
Penn State folklore and stories, and I always give the
respect that Sam Gash is the original eleven. He's the
original eleven. Never never will take that from Sam Gash.
He's an All American, the original eleven. He was on
the offense side of the ball. Q did was think
(35:00):
of something that was relevant to me, my market, my demo,
and I.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Ran with it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So if I'm Jaydon Daniels, I'm not taking too much
offense to the idea that somebody on the other side
of the ball is wearing the number I wore because
it does it, it's not relevant to me. It's a
different it's a different place, it's a different demo, it's
a different part of the yard.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
If it's offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Make sure you have the conversation that you would like
to be involved with who wears the number. Now that
you're who you are and you represent what you represent
for the number. But to the point you made just
super quick, you were a transfer. You were transfer and
for some strange reason, that hits me differently. It hits
(35:47):
me differently that it's not it's not where you started
and you didn't transfer because of something. Well, I guess
I'll say if their coach.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Will stat chain yeaheah, I would rather. I would love
to have home grown over.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think one thing we can agree upon, though, is
we are venturing in a new frontier. And that's why
I love these guys. I think have these issues with
that so well.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean, he could always get all the number fives
and throw it in the back of a pickup and
if you want to pick up that can handle that,
and it's built to get the job done. Without making
a fuss. Use a Nissan Frontier because it's built for
the work week and it's ready to get all them
jerseys and well, you can load it up. You could
bring it all the way to the weekend with a
(36:30):
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because the Nissan Frontier can handle it. Make sure you
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I don't know how well they're still good. They're thirty
years old. So if you recall September thirteenth, nineteen ninety six,
the young age of twenty five, Tupac Secure was murdered. Yes,
he was shot in a drive by and he died
(38:07):
six days later in a Las Vegas pull up O
take I think it was Oh, I don't know the
joke on that bar.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
It was a joke, but go ahead, okay.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
So he did die six later, six days later in
the Las Vegas hospital. On Monday, the trial officially kicked off. Yes,
keep d Dwayne Davis is on trial for the first
degree murder for being the mastermind behind Shakur's death.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
M HM I wonder if he's gonna snitch and this
probably ended up being a TV show, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
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especially if it's like on like ID or you know,
crime TV or something.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
It's got to be a doc on this.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Eventually they're saying that he apparently just previously admitted to
all these things, but his defense says that those are
all just fabricated to make money off of the situation.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Oh, I'm sure, you know.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Like rappers who say they do drugs and kill people,
but they don't actually do that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, they go to like, well, I mean, you look
too deep in the Tubox back story.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
You know, some people don't think he was you know, I.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Heard he was just an act still alive. I heard
he's still alive.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
I heard him and Elvis are are performing somewhere in
Costa Rica, off.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
The right off the coast.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
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Speaker 5 (39:38):
Hose with them.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I've got pros.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I go, But you can't leave once you see him perform,
because well, that does away with the rumor mill, you
know what I mean. No one can confirm or deny
that Elvis and Tupac are still performing together where they're at.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 8 (40:00):
With AI, you can do almost anything, all right. I
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You got the twenty twenty six Pan Pacific Swimming Championships
ships kicked off yesterday. Yeah, chicks over in Irvine, California.
It is the premier international swim meet for non European nations.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
So pretty cool stuff going on.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Why they gotta be non European nations because.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
This is for non European nations like Katie Ledecki, who
took gold in the women's fifteen hundred meter freestyle for
the sixteenth year swin a row.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yes, Oh nice, Yeah, baller.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
So if you're from like South America, you can be
in it. Huh, Africa, no matter the long. Isn't that discrimination? No,
what's discriminating about it?
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Non European meat.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
There's a lot of like soccer leagues that are like
and then different like cups that don't.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Include you know, Europeans.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, like that's discriminatory, Like it'll come together only if
I was European, you know what I mean. I don't
know that that might be a conversation. Let's talk about
it tomorrow. B
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we talked about going into the last break. A team
that just sold a year ago that's sold again, and
that's the La Lakers. One of the greatest franchises in
(01:37):
sports history, was bought by Mark Walter last year. He
bought I should say, he bought a controlling interest of
the La Lakers, which was vied a ten billion, and
he's now made the decision to turn around and sell
it just a year later for twelve point five billion.
So simple math, folks, at least just based on evaluation,
(02:00):
have billion dollars in a year's time.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
That is one hell of a business deal. Now he's
selling it. And this is where it gets a little
bit controversial to John Kushner and Bob Iger. Bob Iyger
obviously the Seal of Disney.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
John Kushner has relations back Kushner Family, Jared Kushner, which
is tied back to the White House, So obviously people
start to get very up in arms about that. But
both Iiger and Kushner were actually involved in the expansion
process for a Las Vegas NBA team. However, they pivoted
quickly and rather aggressively to try to buy the Lakers. Now,
(02:38):
the sale still needs approval from the NBA's Board of Governors,
which could take like a few weeks probably, But I mean,
who's going to say no to a twelve and a
half billion dollar valuation on NBA franchise? Like that's that
high tide that raises all boats. And I would assume
that everyone else on the board is going to look around.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And be like, yeah, we're okay with that, Like we'd love.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
For the Lakers to be valued at that, which puts
them amongst some of the most valued franchises in all
sports around the globe. Now again, here's where things get
kind of interesting. Mark Walter, who built his financial empire
on the insurance industry, Well, he's under federal investigation for
alleged tax fraud by other companies tied to the billionaire
(03:17):
US prosecutors and Manhattan Or examining whether the Delaware Life
Insurance Company and the clear Spring Life and Annuity Company
failed to disclose that their private credit holdings were backed
by other Walter controlled ventures. Now there's also a simultaneous
SEC investigation going on too, So the thought is that
maybe there's kind of a quid pro quo. That's an
(03:39):
arms length away where maybe these investments investigations will go
away now because of the sale, and so Walter makes
his profit, doesn't have to worry about the investigations into
how he was able to buy the team in the
first place in exchange for selling the team with this
legendary franchise to Schner and Eiger.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
So that's the backstory. Wise, there's a lot of people
who are.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Kind of upset about that here well, And that's the
other part of it is there's a thought that maybe
there was pressure on him, he was forced to sell it,
and there's a lot of conspiracy theories around it. So
we could take it at face value or we can
go down that rabbit hole. My thing is, either way,
I'm not sure. I guess this is a good thing
for the Lakers. Maybe it's not because we've had ownership
(04:26):
changes over the past couple of years and typically this
doesn't happen. But I look at this and just say,
all right, the valuation makes the NBA look extremely healthy
for the Lakers to be value twelve and a half,
but that's great. My question is, like Dude Kusher and
Igre have enough capital to invest into this team to
make them what they can be, because we also have
(04:47):
a story about Matt Ishba who's lost about six hundred
million of wealth over the past couple of years betting
on basic interest rates going down, and that's going to
have an impact on the Phoenix Suns and how that
team is run, the ability to have to build out
a roster. So that's kind of the bigger picture conversation
is it's like, when you pay that much for a franchise,
(05:08):
are you still gonna be liquid enough to be able
to help them?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And really, Luka Danci build around this team.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I don't know if they have the resources to do it,
but I do know this, they had the resources to
get it, as you mentioned, and that's some serious resources.
What you do from there, I don't know that it
even really matters, Q. I mean, the economics of it
math out right. This guy just cashed in for two
(05:37):
and a half billion profit on his investment.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
The value of this team is it would take.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
A cataclysmic happening for it to lose the value that
it holds. I mean, the Lakers brand is an established, historical,
strong anchor brand and it's an amazing market so to
get your hands on this type of an asset. I
(06:09):
mean we often have the conversation sometimes do owners really
get into it to win games? Or do they get
into it as it's an investment. Is it a place
to place your money or whatever it may be that
that they're you know, what their financial plan or or
(06:29):
what they want want their outcome to be. I sometimes
wonder if winning is even even part of the equation.
You would hope so, and you would think so, because
that's what's equated to sports. But there is another side,
like some of these people that own these teams, they
don't even like sports. They don't relate to athletes. It's
(06:51):
an investment and it's purely based off of a business decision,
and they have the resources and the means to be
able to do it. So and people that don't relate
to athletes, they're very different. They're they're very different than
people who are athletes or relate to it. So I
would say, if you're able to get a hold of
(07:13):
an asset like this, I don't even know that it
matters if they can put the resources behind it for
the team to win. They got Luca, so they have
they have a franchise guy and as long as they
can keep him healthy and market it the way that
they need to. They still have Lebron James as well
for now, so to speak, and they just have leverageable
(07:37):
you know, assets on the team that also can go
with saying that you know, we're at least trying to
pro team up, well that's Lebron.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Ron.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, But I mean we're not saying that.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I was gonna say, though I saw what sure, I
was going.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
To question if you think that they would have built
the roster the way they did after this offseason.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Like we got a lot of white guys.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Let's just throw what it is, like it drew a
lot of interest from folks.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I was going to go that direction, But I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I'm just asking you, like, do you like they just
bought the team, Like was that an encouraging thing?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Because clearly they paid two and a half billion more
than what Walter did. I would have thought the value
went down.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean, they might have looked at how they made
those moves and made it an all white squad, was like,
you know what, this is the perfect time to buy
you know what, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
What I would have thought based on what they did
this offseason, they would have sold they would have sold
it a loss for like two billion, not making a
half billion.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I'm just saying, like, we know the short term out look.
I mean, we'll see what they're able to end up doing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't want to downplay it, but I just you know,
Lebron's not there anymore. You seem to think there's such
a windfall. It's like he left and all of a sudden,
the franchise got more valuable.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I don't know if that's like the brand, but the brand,
that's what I.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Would say, keeps increasing in value.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Or maybe when Lebron left, they left Browny on his
own and that's how it increased in value. They're like,
all right, now we got the younger James that will
carry on the legacy as an LA Laker. Okay, I'm
just saying it was it was interesting to see all
of this, and we don't see unless there's some sort
of scandal, unless there's something that happens that legally that
(09:27):
would tarnish the league with that particular owner, you don't
see these sorts of transactions happening in three hundred and
sixty five days it just doesn't. I believe Mark Walter
bought this team back in October. I mean, dude, it's August.
It wasn't even a full calendar year. And so to
think that even Kushner and Eiger and their conversations could
(09:48):
pivot that quickly from you know, looking at having to
try to put a franchise or expansion franchise in Las Vegas.
Maybe how difficult that would be, maybe the cost of that.
Maybe they thought their money was better spent with what
they currently.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Have with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And I do tend to believe there's less risk, right, Like,
you're buying a storied franchise that carries you know, over
generations and obviously where it's at the number two media
market everything that goes along with that, even though you're
sharing the market with the Clippers, although they're kind of
an afterthought, there is something too that, hey, maybe this
(10:23):
was an easier decision for them because they don't have
to start anew they don't have to start with trying
to figure out how you're going to build up to
be a competitive franchise in a Las Vegas market that's
going to be welcoming a baseball team. It's already got
a football team that's struggled so far to really find
their feed or find their ground. It just it seems
like kind of a well, there's.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
That that's true. There is that the hockey.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The hockey expansion team didn't have any issues having success.
But I think it would be harder in basketball. I mean,
they'd really have to bank on trying to get a
superstar to go there.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I just look at this and think it's a
no brainer.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But also how quick this changed, and looking at Mark
Walter's situation, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Not to be suspect.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, it comes off and feels that way like, hey,
if I sell this man, maybe all this will go
away and I'm gonna make a profit off of it,
which is kind of wild to think.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And it's already done, right, it's it's solidified, it's done.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It has to be approved by the NBA Board of
Governors and.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
They they will approve it.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Why turn it into a messy It's bad for business
if they turn it into a messy situation.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Right, Yes, it's just you know, I look at this
and think you also have you know, Bob Iger's not
young body means he's seventy five years old, and I'm
not saying that he shouldn't be able to purchase the
team because of his age, but obviously John Kushner is
way younger. Well, the reality is is like, if it
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was just okay, I'll put it this way, if it
was just John Kushner buying the franchise, which I'm I'm
assuming he needed more help, you know, raising some of
the capital, even though he's got thrived capital and he's
been extremely successful. He's a billionaire in his own right
for what he's been able to do. But I'm sure
that Bob Iger portion of this helps with the NBA
(12:15):
giving Kushner the approval to buy because they need that steady,
veteran wise hand behind all of this, and so Kushner
obviously extend out. But like Iger at seventy five, is
he going to be as involved in the day to
day operations.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't know. Time will tell, but I look at
this and just.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Wonder, are you a little suspect too if there's there
a conflict of interest? Obviously Bob Iger spent a long
time at Walt Disney right ESPN. Like, is that is
that a good thing or a bad thing? There's just
there's a lot of things that you know, you wonder
if there's not a conflict of interest, but if Disney
(12:55):
ESPN is gonna get you know, a little bit of
that that kind of better treatment I'm looking at for
the different rights, even though the NBC now has some
of the broadcast rights. Say, it's just the whole thing
draws a lot of questions more than answers in my mind.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Well, cool thing about sports that I've always loved is
that we're it's gonna whatever is going to be, it's
going to happen, and it's going to develop, and as
you mentioned the other day, the media is going to
cover it, you know, and you'll ultimately sometimes we'll find
ourselves saying, what are you ultimately trying to learn or not?
Speaker 5 (13:31):
What do you want to know about it? Or what's
left or what's on the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Sports media jumps on everything, and this is one of
those stories that while it will go away, much like
any other story that's out there, while it will go away,
there's always that one reporter, that one person that's paying
attention to all of the stuff that's going on behind
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the scenes. And if something drops, if something hits they're
going to report it and then.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
We'll be here to talk about it. So that's the
beauty of sports.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And as this thing unfolds and plays out, I'm sure
we'll get as much information as we're privy to through
those people that handle these types of media stories.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
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Speaker 1 (15:45):
We talked to Albert Breer a little over an hour
ago and discuss the Atlanta Falcons quarterback situation, which it
seemed like, given the injury histories at to talking about
Loa coming out of Alabama, but also to Miami and
combinding that with Michael Pennix, who also had his fair
share of injury issues throughout college, that combining the two
(16:06):
lefties together would end up in a recipe for I
don't know, a disaster of both of them playing.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I mean, the reality is both these.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Guys have had their issues at Penis recovering from a
torn acl Tua having some issues already during training camp.
All these things have led to now what for you
in the mind of LeVar Arrington with Atlanta this season?
I mean, do you just not have any outlook at all?
Does it matter to you who wins this quarterback job?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, they made a surprise pick for Pinnix, and they
let Kirk Cousins go, and letting him go, you brought
in Tua, And I mean I questioned the idea of
bringing in Tua to be honest, I just didn't feel
like that would be a safe pivot just based upon
(16:59):
his injury history and the magnitude of what that injury
history is with the concussions. But I guess now the
reports are he's dealing with back tightness and stuff like that. Like,
I don't find that to be overly concerning. But what
I will say is is if I'm looking at the
health of the team overall and what they're capable of doing,
(17:23):
when I look at this quarterback situation, it's intriguing because
I believe that Michael Pennix was good enough in college
where you would ask yourself or give yourself the conclusion
that the potential still is there that he could be
a really good pro as far as with too if
we've seen how good he can be, but how good
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can he be right now?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
How good can he be with a new team, and
if he.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Is able to be an effective player, which I don't
think anybody will be surprised they got they have talent
on the team, but ke, I think the biggest question
would be can he stay healthy and your one hit away,
your one situation away where everything could change with what
you have going on with Tua, And I think that's
(18:09):
got to be a major concern because if he's not
playing the style of football that he plays, which is
moving around, extending the play, taking some hits here and
there to make the play work, it doesn't seem like
he has the same amount of success when he's being
a little bit more cautious and aware of not taking
(18:30):
any hits or getting rid of the ball sooner. Just
doesn't seem right. So I would be concerned. I don't
have a dog in the fight with the Falcons, but
I would be concerned if I'm a Falcons fan, because
I'm not sure you have a definitive answer. And for
what it's worth, it's a quarterback competition, and I think
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the continued theme right now outside of Minnesota, I think
if you're looking out a quarterback competition, it is because
is not a true belief in either one of those
quarterbacks that they could actually really.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Get it done. And I don't see that being any
different in this situation.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Here's the difficulty for the Atlanta Falcons and really their
fan base is it's been a revolving door since.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Matt Ryan left.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Right, it was Marcus Mariota back in twenty twenty two,
I believe, where he was the leading passer, and then
that kind of had its stint in that one away.
Then it was Desmond Ritter who came as a rookie
a lot of promise to hoping he could be the
guy that wasn't the case.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
That it was Cousins. Then it was Pennix last season.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So if you actually look through you know their their
series of years now, they have not been able to
find this stability and consistency that they found with Matt Ryan,
and that makes it tough. And this has been a
team that's lived also though in purgatory, where they've been
good at times, but not quite good enough to have
a winning record, right years of seven to ten, seven
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to ten, eight, nine, eighty nine, and unfortunately that's just
not good enough and for NFL standards, let alone to
keep a coach around, obviously moving on from Raheem Morris,
and that's why you're in the position here now with
Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, the expectation is to win.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's to get back to playing some winning football, get
back to the playoffs. But this quarterback situation, it's almost
a dilemma because it feels like even once they settle
it and decide who's going to be the guy, that
the next guy's got to stay ready because of both
their injury histories, and I'm not really sure you can
rely on either one. So it could be again a
year that we're watching the Falcons get through the season
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with multiple quarterbacks and then be drafting somewhere high enough
to take one of these talented guys that currently at
the college level. Speaking of the college level, this story
came across late last night. You know, it's kind of
interesting too, and I'm really curious to get your thoughts
on it because it plays into I think things that
maybe you could have done too if you wanted to
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at Penn State. But Jayden Daniels, another quarterback who I
guess you could say has had ruggles at least in
his two seasons so far in the NFL staying healthy,
he has sent the has sent LSU basically as ceased
and assist and reason bing is LSU has given out
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the number five to DJ Pickett, which is obviously that's
the number that Jade Daniels wore when he transferred LSU
and then won the third Heisman and program history back
in twenty twenty three. But he doesn't basically, he doesn't
like the fact that LSU is handing this jersey number out.
We've seen this with other people too. I think we
talked about, you know, Matt Lionert and some of that
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with different teams basically saying like, hey, do we go
to these guys and tell them like and ask permission
for it? And the reason why this is bringing up
being brought up is because Jade Daniels doesn't feel like
LSU is respecting what he was able to accomplish there
the same way they respected Joe Burrow, whose number nine
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jersey isn't retired, but it's been pretty well thought of that,
you know, they're not gonna let anyone wear it unless
they feel like it's warranted, and maybe they'll go through
the process of that. But the difference is what Joe
Burro went fifteen to zero, won the Heisman, but also
won a national championship. That didn't necessarily happen with Jade Daniels,
even though he did have a phenomenal season and did
win the Heisman. I'm just wondering, like, when you see
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this sort of stuff going on and you see guys
at the pro level who are looking back and saying, no,
I don't want that guy to wear my number, does
it bother you as a guy who's really embraced it
and created like a brand off of it and really
continue to perpetuate the legend of that or do you
sit there looking and go like that's their decision that
they could do what they want.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I mean for him, when does it see? For me?
It always mattered, right? So when you think.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
About eleven and the whole development of Styx and Stick
City and all that stuff, I realized going into it
what the number meant to me, right, and what I
was trying to do and developing the fact that a
linebacker hadn't wore the number and made it a relevant
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number for the position. So I had an idea of
what I was thinking, and once I left, I also
had an idea. Well, I didn't have an idea. I
gotta be honest. I didn't really think about it in
a way that I did after I had my interactions
with Navarro.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I didn't look at the number as being a relevant
number to hand out until me and Navarro went through
an off season of fellowship and talking through things and mentorship,
and it was like Apollo Cree giving Rocky his And
it's funny, but because I used this example, because that's
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what I was thinking in my mind when I was like,
I went to Joe and I went to the coaches,
and I said, I want Navarro to change is number
to eleven. I mean and Navarro had talked, talked over it,
went through it, went through the plan of it to
rebrand him, to reset it so that people could see him.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
For who he is, not for what the reports were saying.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So I did it out of just kind of trying
to help build Navarro up to being what you know,
just look at how he plays, don't look at some
of the things that have been reported about him. So
for Jaydon Daniels, if it started mattering because they gave
it to somebody that he didn't feel like deserved it.
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I think that's ultimately a conversation that you have to
have behind closed doors because I'll say this, doing it
out in the public, you don't want to embarrass them.
You don't want to embarrass the coaching So that have
ultimately the school owns the number.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And that's funny because that's a conversation that I've been
having with with you know, Penn State is I mean,
they're they're bringing in all these these private equity companies
and stuff like that and trying to find ways to
you know, fund in il and fund their athletes. Let
me buy my number, Like start putting numbers out there,
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if it's Matt Liner, let and and and let I mean,
I'm I don't want to sound cheap because I feel
like if if you have even the opportunity to do this,
que that means that you made your number matter, right,
your number matter? And so to me, I look at
it like award award that player. If a player won
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the Heisman and they're the original person to to wear
that number, award them ownership of their number.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
What is it going to hurt?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
What is it going to hurt?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And and and what does it hurt if you start
creating a process like because now there's more people that
would relate Micah or Abdul to the eleven than they
would do me.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
And that's that's what to me.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That's the purpose of building a brand in a legacy
behind the number that you wore.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
So they should be able.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
To make a decision and help make the decision on
who represents that number as well. I don't think it
should be confrontational between the player and the school. I
think it should be something that is discussed and embraced
and whatever the intentions or the agenda or the feelings
of that player who make that number relevant for your school,
it should be a conversation with the people that are
making decisions after school.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
It's a really interesting idea.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I mean, obviously it's one way to generate more revenue
if you're able to sell numbers, in particular players who
you feel like, hey, maybe they should have a piece
of this when people are still buying these jerseys, whether
it's you know, you, Mike or whoever else is one
to eleven. What I find, you know, as part of
the conversation about this is, in like Liner's case, for example,
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they retire it, so if they want to bring it
back out of retirement, they have to talk to the
player about it, or Carson Palmer about it, whoever else,
And you know, in that way, they're kind of protecting it, right,
but you have control.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It feels like, you know, notre Dame. They don't retire numbers.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So I just feel like, don't you feel like retiring
a number makes the number irrelevant, Like it's gone. The
number's gone, which means like for me, like I look
at it like this. I'm not a I'm not a
tremendously ego driven dude. I want to see I created
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something and and it worked. But to think that I
want to be the only one that was good and
I'm the only one that wore the number.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I would much rather facilitate and be a part of,
Like think about what the community that has been built
around wearing the number eleven at Penn State. You can't
you don't want to wear the number if you can't
represent it. Right at this point, It's like you put
on the number you've put on like a weighted vest, Like,
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are you sure you're gonna you're okay with taking on
the weight of the old Carter just Ward, Michael Parsons
warp before him, Brandon bell Ward before him, Kyrie fort
Warred before him, Navarro Bowman warred before him, LaVar Arrington
ward before him.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Are you okay with taking on that weight? To me?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I love that type of drama playing out versus the
numbers gone like, and then you get thirty forty fifty
years from from the number Q, It's like, what does
it matter unless you're really seeking out the information? Why
haven't I seen somebody wear that number? How often does
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that matter? How often do you Why isn't somebody wearing
you know, number ten out notre dame?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Like what you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Like?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
But if people wear it, if people wear.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
It and you can, you know, the school embraces what
the number represents, the history of it, the legacy of it.
I think keeping a jersey in rotation done with respect
is the right move. I just retire, retire something you know,
do something that you retire. I don't know what it is,
but I just feel like retiring a number, eh, you know,
(29:13):
I don't know. I just think that's a big ego thing,
like don't ever wear my number. Well, people are going
to forget who the hell you are anyway, So I
have a better chance. I have a better chance if
you look at Michael Parsons, it's like, oh, well, who
wore it before him? Oh what, what's the history of
the number? I have a better chance of you rekindling
what you thought about me through that rather than it
being retired.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
It's a valid point, you know. I think it goes
both ways.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know, in the case of SC when they're retired,
they're put up prominently in the coliseum, so you can
still see that the numbers that are retired. But to
your point, I mean, it is a reminder of all
those that came before you and the legacy that you
kind of inherit when you take on that number, both
for the current player and for the guys in the past.
So I can see it both ways. I mean, look
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at that the digit pick up. I was a really
good player for LSU. But I think that the crux
of the issue is that Jane Daniels doesn't feel like
he's getting the same treatment as Joe Burrow. You know,
no one has war number nine since Joe Burrow left
after winning the Heisman a national championship in twenty nineteen.
So because of that, I feel like he's like, hey,
(30:19):
wait a second, Like I won the Heisman a few
years ago and you're already getting this thing back out.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And look in today's Warley College football.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know, verge Osbury their athletic director, and I'm sure
the rest of the staff now with Lane Kiff and
everyone else, they're doing everything they can to keep players.
They're doing everything they can to try to fight a
way of getting that cornerback over Georgia or Bama or
Ole Miss or whoever else you want to throw Texas
at Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean they're doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You want, you want that number, We'll get to that number, right,
Like that's one of the toughest he.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Is the defensive guy.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, he's a sophomore cornerback.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
It doesn't it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I understand. I understand what you're saying. I understand here.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
If the number is still in rotation, Like if you
want to have that discussion point, then have the discussion
point that, Okay, if you want it removed from rotation,
then then have that discussion behind closed doors because eleven
is worn by offensive players too at Penn State, right,
I don't care, Like the number eleven on offense doesn't
(31:23):
even represent the number eleven on defense. So there's eleven
on offense, You're you have eleven on Like it's so
funny because it doesn't even matter to me. Like when
I go to the games, I'll see a receiver come out.
I'd be like, all right, represent them, represent that eleven.
Represent that allowed. I'll say, represent the sticks. I say,
represent the eleven.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Like people throw.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Matt mcglowing out there, like, oh I m glowing war eleven,
Like great, he wore the number eleven. But sticks is different.
That's a that's a different animal. So if I'm jaydens Daniels,
it's a leverage. It's a place, so leverage it. Leverage it,
Like if you don't I don't like the way they're
representing it. Q I didn't sit there and say to
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Penn say I don't like the way we're representing eleven,
or you shouldn't have offensive guys. Da da da you
define it you're Jane Daniels. Don't don't complain to the
media about it. For the school to do something, you
lean into it. You create what you wanted to be.
That's what I did. It didn't just happen that way.
It didn't just turn into this is the number, da
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da da this and that.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
You gotta be an intention.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I think it's I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think it's about fairness though, and him kind of
saying like, hey, I accomplished a similar amount as Joe Burrow.
You gave Joe Burrow this treatment. You're not giving me
this treatment. And I would also go a step further
and say, I wonder if it differs for these young
men because you know, both players in this case came
from different schools.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
They didn't start at LSU.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Sure, And I do think that when we look at
a lot of these younger players who start somewhere else
and go somewhere else and have success, like Burrow or
Jade Daniels, it's about their legacy, like they're trying to
maintain a portion of their legacy because people forget that
Daniels that played in Arizona State.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
People don't really remember.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, maybe Buckeyes fans do because they take pride
in the fact that our Ohio boy who went from
Ohio State to LSU won the Heisman and national championship.
But a lot of people ten years from now won't
remember that. They just the LSU fans will remember that
he was a guy who went to LSU, won a
national championship, won the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
So there, I think there's an element of this, and
it matters.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
To different people in different ways where they're trying to
maintain their legacy and keep their legacy, and maybe the
jersey number for them matters that much. So I understand
where Jaden and Daniels is coming from. I'm in your camp,
though I think you're you're not giving like for me.
Noah Grubbs, he's a freshman quarterback at a late like
Mary Florida. Really good player, had a great high school career.
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He's wearing number ten at the quarterback spot. I hope
he goes And I always say this, like I said
this one CJ. Carr got there. He's not wearing number ten.
But you like, I want the next generation to be better.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Than to be better?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes, yeah, like I look my kids like that. I
look at the players that I coach like that, and
you hope for that too. So even though this is
more in a business vein or sense, to your point,
like you'd like Jade Daniels to say, like let dj
Pickett make his legacy with number five on the other
side of the ball, right, allow these other guys to
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wear it. And and by the way, like before he
got there, didn't jimor Chase what number that he were
two or five?
Speaker 4 (34:25):
You were too? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I'm just going back and thinking about some of the
maybe prominent players that have warned, maybe even before Jay
Daniels got it.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
But my whole points like Sam eleven before me.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Sam Gash is a relevant name in the history of
Penn State folklore and stories, and I always give the
respect that Sam Gash is the original eleven. He's the
original eleven. Never never will take that from Sam Gash.
He's an All American, the original eleven. He was on
the offense side of the ball. Q did was think
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of something that was relevant to me, my market, my demo,
and I.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Ran with it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So if I'm Jaydon Daniels, I'm not taking too much
offense to the idea that somebody on the other side
of the ball is wearing the number I wore because
it does it, it's not relevant to me. It's a
different it's a different place, it's a different demo, it's
a different part of the yard.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
If it's offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Make sure you have the conversation that you would like
to be involved with who wears the number. Now that
you're who you are and you represent what you represent
for the number. But to the point you made just
super quick, you were a transfer. You were transfer and
for some strange reason, that hits me differently. It hits
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me differently that it's not it's not where you started
and you didn't transfer because of something. Well, I guess
I'll say if their coach.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Will stat chain yeaheah, I would rather. I would love
to have home grown over.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think one thing we can agree upon, though, is
we are venturing in a new frontier. And that's why
I love these guys. I think have these issues with
that so well.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean, he could always get all the number fives
and throw it in the back of a pickup and
if you want to pick up that can handle that,
and it's built to get the job done. Without making
a fuss. Use a Nissan Frontier because it's built for
the work week and it's ready to get all them
jerseys and well, you can load it up. You could
bring it all the way to the weekend with a
(36:30):
tailgate or whatever it is you want to get into,
because the Nissan Frontier can handle it. Make sure you
check it out the twenty twenty six Nissan Frontier.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
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Just check it out. Right after we end the show today,
time to find out what's left Ton's incredible. Here's the
left over there? All right, Ray, Ray, what do we got?
Speaker 8 (37:47):
I got some thirty year old left over is back here.
I don't know how well they're still good. They're thirty
years old. So if you recall September thirteenth, nineteen ninety six,
the young age of twenty five, Tupac Secure was murdered. Yes,
he was shot in a drive by and he died
(38:07):
six days later in a Las Vegas pull up O
take I think it was Oh, I don't know the
joke on that bar.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
It was a joke, but go ahead, okay.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
So he did die six later, six days later in
the Las Vegas hospital. On Monday, the trial officially kicked off. Yes,
keep d Dwayne Davis is on trial for the first
degree murder for being the mastermind behind Shakur's death.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
M HM I wonder if he's gonna snitch and this
probably ended up being a TV show, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Oh, and it has to be right, I would so,
especially if it's like on like ID or you know,
crime TV or something.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
It's got to be a doc on this.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Eventually they're saying that he apparently just previously admitted to
all these things, but his defense says that those are
all just fabricated to make money off of the situation.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Oh, I'm sure, you know.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Like rappers who say they do drugs and kill people,
but they don't actually do that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, they go to like, well, I mean, you look
too deep in the Tubox back story.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
You know, some people don't think he was you know, I.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Heard he was just an act still alive. I heard
he's still alive.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
I heard him and Elvis are are performing somewhere in
Costa Rica, off.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
The right off the coast.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Okay, okay, and they got a whole bunch of.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Hose with them.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I've got pros.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I go, But you can't leave once you see him perform,
because well, that does away with the rumor mill, you
know what I mean. No one can confirm or deny
that Elvis and Tupac are still performing together where they're at.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 8 (40:00):
With AI, you can do almost anything, all right. I
got a little other little left over here for you boys.
You got the twenty twenty six Pan Pacific Swimming Championships
ships kicked off yesterday. Yeah, chicks over in Irvine, California.
It is the premier international swim meet for non European nations.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
So pretty cool stuff going on.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Why they gotta be non European nations because.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
This is for non European nations like Katie Ledecki, who
took gold in the women's fifteen hundred meter freestyle for
the sixteenth year swin a row.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yes, Oh nice, Yeah, baller.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
So if you're from like South America, you can be
in it. Huh, Africa, no matter the long. Isn't that discrimination? No,
what's discriminating about it?
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Non European meat.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
There's a lot of like soccer leagues that are like
and then different like cups that don't.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Include you know, Europeans.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, like that's discriminatory, Like it'll come together only if
I was European, you know what I mean. I don't
know that that might be a conversation. Let's talk about
it tomorrow. B
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