November 8, 2021 • 39 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar think the Broncos upsetting the Cowboys is a prime example of parity in the NFL. LaVar pushes back on Lamar Jackson being an MVP contender. Dana White makes a huge bet on Canelo vs Plant during UFC 268 and Desean Jackson makes his way to Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
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It was a day of surprises, and this one is
going to piss off a lot of people in the NFL.
We'll get to all of that. Yeah, I've been just
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a couple of moments from now it is two Pros
and a Cup of Joe or Errington who is caffeinated
up to the gills. Yeah, Brady Quinn, come on wait
here on FS. We're gonna take you all the way
up through the end of the hour. Here, nine am
Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. What the hell is happening
here on a Monday morning game? Lamar triple shots kicking
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at this. It's actually through this. The problem is though
he got the wrong flavor. We're not gonna say which
brand because they're, you know, not a sponsor. You want
to get mentioned. Yeah, but you know why because cream
I'm always round just to finably deny cream always you
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sound like the Constabad You guys were constipated or something.
That's like one of the most famous bits that that's
ever taken place because the cream rise dot me. Yeah,
you just kept pulling out cream. It's like, where's the
cream coming from? Brandy was having a hard time cream
and I don't, Oh well, it's gone on the way, okay,
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all right here, that's sounds having a hard time to
whatever you trying to do. Tweak. For God's sakes, people,
get it together. Man. Unbelievable. These people couldn't imagine Randy
go into the rest room in the morning though. Is
that is that? Is that dumbable? Is that a dumb
I don't know, but I can only imagine he'll walk
it in at his morning stroll and being like, oh, yeah,
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we do we have the we gotta get that, and
we gotta play the Randy Machuman Savage Cream Rise at
the top. We have to get that. We have play
hour four, hour four. We'll have the Randy Savage cream
Rice at the top four minute one. Yeah, just yeah,
I love so you can get into that. Um. All right,
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so speaking of a triple shot, um, apparently the Dallas
hold on, hold on before you go to Dallas. Being
from Ohio, this is a big question. I'm interested to
see what what what you say? Brady? Have you ever
seen the movie Gummom? Are you aware of the movie Gummo?
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I am not. I've never heard of that before my life.
There you go, classic movie, the same the same creators
of Kids did the movie Gummo. It's like a late nineties,
late nineties movie. Yeah, it's very weird. It was filmed
in Ohio. LaVar showed me clips. Yeah, that looks shot
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in Tennessee. No, it was well, they said it was
an Ohio movie because it was. I believe it was
filmed in the Boys. Okay, I know what you're talking about.
I never saw it. I think it was. I think
it's I don't think it was shot in Ohio. It
was a wild in Ohio, Yeah, because it was after
it was it was shot in Ohio based off of
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the tornado that tour through Xenia. In fact, my mom
went to school at Central State and Zenio, Ohio. The
interesting fact, I used to want to play for the
Central State Marauders when I was growing up because that's
where my mom went to cool But uh, anyways, that's
where the tornado went through in Ohio and jacked up everything.
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And apparently the unless I have it all mixed up,
but apparently they filmed the movie as as this was
like culture in this area after you know, after the tornado.
Looking it up now, it did make a lot of
buy in the box office. It made a whopping a
hundred and sixteen thousand dollars. Mind you, the budget was
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one point three millions. So if you are anyone, if
you're starting that Linda Man's, Max Perlitz, Jacob Reynolds, you're
still waiting on your check. Well, we just gave you
a shout out, so hopefully you get a couple more
residuals try to make up that deficit. And what's great
is that we'll have more on that movie coming up
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also an hour four. Speaking of deficits, you were getting,
you were getting to the Cow. The Dallas Cow plays
came out podcast. Oh he's good on podcast. Well let
me handle the radio. Jesus I said that broadcasting. I
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didn't say podcast. I thought you said podcasting. Okay, I
do love the fact that we just talked to someone
as in LaVar, it was part of the people who
paid to go see that film for a hundred sixteen thousand, Like,
I don't think I want to see it, but I've
seen it many of times in my home. And let
me tell you something. I had a black strobe like
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room with with glowing to dark, glowing to dark spider
webs with a glowing to dark spider Man on the wall,
and I used to watch that movie every so often
just you know, yeah, it's a weird flick, man, it was.
It was a weird room and it was weird things
that took place while we were watching that weird ass
movie and a weird spider Man tween the Cowboys and
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the broncos Um. What the hell happened to Dallas yesterday?
Did it? Was? They got to be a fluke, right,
this is a fluke game. Yesterday was a twilight Zone
day in the NFL. That's That's all I say. Again,
I think that that one across the too many cats.
We we need a few more dos. All I know
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is all I know is I had Denver pegged to
struggle the rest of the way, and and when I
watched the game, all I could think about was, Man,
Denver's playing Dallas the way that Dallas should be playing them.
It's like you're you're you're balancing your run, you're balancing
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your past. Your defense is is aggressive. They're they're going
after Doc. I mean they they We saw the can
and apologize if you're you're offended by this when I
say that, we saw the vintage Cowboys that we came
to know. Man, we saw the vintage Cowboys that we
came to know. Look, look here we go, here we
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go right, no points in the first half, no points
in the third quarter, and then you get sixteen garbage
in garbage time. You get sixteen in in in stats
and stick to statistical category points right, And then we
look at and we say, oh, Dak Prescott is so great.
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He did this. He's the first to do this, he's
the first to get here. He put up this many points,
he put up this many stats and garbage time in
garbage time. We saw vintage. We saw vintage what we
saw cowboys in this game yesterday. Ezekiel Elliott disappears, ends up.
You know, I hope he feels better. But you had
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no running game, You had no time to throw the ball.
The offensive line did not hold up well. Um, and
then on defense they allowed the run to take place.
They were giving up even easy passing yards. It was
just I don't know, they look like they were disjointed.
I'll put it this way. We tend to try to
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over complicate the number one thing that I I think
dictates games. We can talk about turnover margin, whatever we want,
all right, it's physicality Denver from the get go in
that game. Like to your point, LaVar, I think is
how Dallas would like to play. They would like to
be able to dominate with that offensive line, run the football,
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take their shots on offense. They'd like to be able
to dominate with their front seven and put pressure on
you and and not allow you to sit back there
and take shots down field like Teddy Bridgewater was able to.
And and it was the it was a flip script.
It was exactly what Denver then end up doing running
the football and getting after Dak Prescott in the passing game.
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But but this is what I think was kind of
like the underlying theme after the von Miller trade, and
I was out in Denver this past week and all
you read, all you heard talked about was is this
team looking towards the future. And the problem with that
narrative is Vic Fangio can't, Pat Sherber can't, Teddy Bridgewater can't.
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And these young players and the players who are on
this roster who have been around for a little bit now,
who struggled to begin a season and finally, finally we're
a part of a hot start, even though it then
took them a little while, you know, once they stumbled
for about a month there, they've now regained that confidence
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and composure. But I think it felt more to me
like Pat Sherman was calling that game offensively for the Broncos.
There o c for his job. I really do believe
and feel that he's been on the he's on the
chopping block, that seat is red hot, and he came
out with some of his best stuff. He was gonna
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take shots and basically say I'm not going down without
a fight, and I'm gonna put my quarterback in a
position where either he delivers or it's on him. Because
I felt like Pat Summer called his best game his
most aggressive game, but it came at a moment where
this is a crucial turning point for this team this season.
And on the flip side of that too, is is
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Teddy Bridgewater, who has struggled of late. That became questions
about what he can be. He delivered, he executed. But
I think both Pat Sherman Teddy Bridgewater are on watch
the rest of the season, and so they're gonna have
to continue to keep playing this way if they want
to be a playoff team and if they want to
be a Bronco. I think come. I mean, you know
what it looks like to me, it looked like Denver
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was playing, almost like they were relieved to get rid
of a guy who charged people to go to his
Halloween party. It's almost like how Denver was playing, That's
that's what it seemed like to me. You know, the
guy that you know charged for his guest to attend
his Halloween party. That was that duplicate right there. You
want to drive the point. I just want to make
sure you know it sounded like a team that you know,
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it was relieved to get rid of a guy who
charged his guests to attend his Halloween party. You just
want to point that out there, so well, and then
his team lost. He woke up and he went from
being what four and forward to seven and one and
now now they're now they're five and four and there's
seven that bad, bad energy over the rams. Yea, and listen,
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give a lot of credit to Teddy Bridgewater in the
game that he played, played a masterful game. Uh. He
seemed to find a rhythm. So give the coaching staff
a lot of credit as well. The game playing kept
Dallas of balance on both sides of the ball. You
saw a lot of that. And you know, Brady, you
do such an excellent job of you know, just critiquing,
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analyzing and breaking down what takes place. I want to
throw this one out at you. Do you find this
one to be interesting? In Week nine of of this
season that you saw a very interesting dynamic or correlation
of how games were played. A lot were defensively dominated
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during the course of this Sunday, uh, this week's games,
and you'd have to assume you also saw the commitment
to trying to run the ball. Go figure you saw
the commitments as teams, Well there you go and look
at their point total, right, So the defense has showed
up in these games. Do you think that that's based
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off of where we're at in the season in terms
of the amount of adjustments that are being made in
season towards their opponents. Uh? Maybe, I mean, I think
we're getting that time of the year for sure, when
you're talking about the elements playing a factor, teams needing
to be able to have that rushing attack where it's
gonna be windy, it's gonna be cool, it's gonna be wet.
There's gonna be a lot of a lot of external
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factors that are gonna play into not having as high
scoring games, as big a path passing games. I think
that plays a role or plays a factor, right, I
think there's a degree of that. I think there's also
a degree of just you know, for look, this is
this is a league to me of parody. I don't
know that there's another professional sports league that, based on
how it's designed, you know, allows any team to beat
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any other team on any given Sunday, you know, because
of the draft and the cap and everything else. And
so I think when and one of the questions I've
had in the past few weeks, LaVar we had kind
of talked about it a week or so ago. Was
a parody in the NFL, like parody issue because like
weeks six through about eight, you saw all these double
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digit victories. You're going, man, this isn't normal. It's not
usually like this where you see the more dominant teams
just absolutely dominate, at least based on what they look
like on paper. This was a weekend, Yeah, that that.
I think we saw this flip the script. The dogs
came to play all right. They weren't just covering, they
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were they were out there whin thing. And I think
that's what we're gonna see the rest of the way
is a lot more parity in the NFL. Some of
these you know, two three win teams, um four win teams,
You're gonna start to see them pick off a couple
of the better teams who are in the playoff race
right now. I think that's what we're gonna see the
second half. Because think about this too, This wasn't a
divisional matchup and discussing that the you know Cowboys and Broncos.
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But the NFL seasons backloaded with divisional play, So we're
gonna see a lot of divisional games where we're gonna
see those opponents who maybe don't the record doesn't look
too good, but they know how to match up with
their divisional rival. And also for people out there concerned
about the Cowboys, don't worry. Everything's gonna be fine. They're
going to hammer Atlanta next week for a couple of reasons.
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Number one, bounce back game. Bounce back game and dan
Quinn revenge. That's what. Yeah, alright, so the line is dropping,
folks by the way, sticks and Sticks City is a place,
and my baby trout at LaVar leap in the game him. Now,
many people would not have paid attention to it, may
not have saw it. That's okay. I just thought i'd
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bring a little attention to it because he's he's got
Rookie of the Year, defensive Rookie of the year locked up.
I mean, that's done. He's got it. Uh. But he
did tryon Michael Parsons trying to get Yeah, I would
have eventually got it to it, but I'm glad that
you just jumped in there and let him. Let the
people know that Michael Parsons is like could be like
the next one. It didn't work. It didn't work, but
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it was close. It was almost there. They got into
he almost executed it. It's better than being premature and
ruining the moment before like Michael Buffer was last time. Yeah,
it wasn't premature like that. You know, it wasn't very early.
It does. He just didn't get it. That happens to
the best time. All right, Two Pros and a Cup
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ons are Oh man, Uh yeah, that's a triple show.
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Somebody admitted to you know, I actually don't know what
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the idea that somebody could do this with their money
blows my mind. So we will get to that here
come up this hour and it's really I don't know,
it's very stressful. But is Lamar Jackson, I'm gonna present
the question, you guys. I'm not saying he'll win m
v P. Is he the most valuable player to his
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team in the NFL? Yes, yeah, I'm not even gonna hesitate. Yes,
And I don't know that it's close. I'm I'm going
to debate it, and I'm gonna say it's Tom Brady.
I'm gonna say Tom Brady is the most important player
to his team. The only issue with that is look
at the record when he was out with with with
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New England. I mean, Castle took him to the playoffs
that year. It was a pro bowler that year. I
believe Garoppolo Brissette like those guys came in to replace
some Look with that now, I understand that they're in
a different point now, like the rosters turned over, they're
kind of more not in a rebuilding mode, but trying
to build it back up. So a little different story.
But as far as evidence of when he wasn't there
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with Bill, Bill still want some games without him. But
what about Tampa. Well, Tampa is one thing now because
we really haven't seen a miss games, but they were
they were an average team before he get the rosters,
so different. I mean, you have Grown, you have Antonio Brown,
you have all these other players you kind of joined
and decided to stay. Sure, but like Grown and Brown
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weren't going to go there if Tom wasn't there, So
there's value there. But I'm just saying different team as
far as wins losses, Like if he was not to
play and we saw someone else go in there and
if they's absolutely crap the bed, that'd be one thing
I'm just looking at. I'm gonna say, I'm looking at
the total whole of what the most valuable player to
their team representations. I see I would have said up
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until this year, I would have said probably Russell Wilson.
But we've seen people, but we've seen Gino Smiths played
good football like he's He's actually played pretty well. So
are we are we specifying on the field like stats
and win games just on the field, because if we're
going on the field, it's one hundred percent Derrick Henry,
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it's I see, but I think that Tennessee, I don't
think they're gonna be the same. Too small of a
sample size. But if I don't know what the hell
the Ravens are, Lamar Jackson's not on that, I don't
know what the hell the Titans are without Derrick Henry
on the field. They got one win without them, Like,
that's not a large enough sample size to say, all right,
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they'll be fine without them. I said, they proved me wrong.
They did win the game and they want to handily.
But does that mean that they're going to continue down
that that world that wrote that path? I say, Derrick
Henrys them when Derek goes, they go. If they don't go,
he doesn't go out, say Lamar. And is a second
if we're just saying on the field, well, here's what
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I'd argue against that is last night is one. It's
a small sample size, But it's one evidence of that
their schemes not gonna change, Like just because it's now
Adrian Peterson, They're still gonna run the football correct like
they they showcase that if Lamar Jackson isn't at quarterback
for the Baltimore Ravens, they're not gonna run the quarterback
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as much. They're running game is gonna look drastically different.
And it's all it's a completely different team that you're
preparing for, Like there's just an element of there's nothing
you can do at certain points in time when Lamar
Jackson is out there, Like his physical gifts are only
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comparable to probably Michael Vick as far as what he
does when he tucks in and runs or gets in
the open field. I just look, I think he's the
closest thing as far as the type of specimen he
is as an athlete as Lebron was coming into the
NBA when he was young, meaning he was so athletic,
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high flyer, Like everything he did there was a certain
amount of like he was just unstoppable because of his
God given gifts, Like Lamar has essentially given that to
the Ravens offensively. Now you know they obviously haven't won
a Super Bowl yet, but he has won the m
v P. And I just think if he's not with
this team, there are six and two football team right now.
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They're probably a one in seven football team without him,
Maybe maybe two and six. Maybe they get another win
because their defense, you know, can step up at times,
play well enough. But I just think he's that big
of a difference maker for this team with the way
he could play, what he brings to the table, and
how teams have to prepare for him, and we're basing
it off of those elements, then you gotta switch up
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and go all the way to Patrick Mahomes as the
most valuable player to their team. But they've won games
without him. Yeah, but that offense and those weapons gone
as far as they've gone without him. And and to me,
if you're looking at and I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to diminish or take away from from Lamar Jackson,
I'm really not. What I'm saying is right there you go.
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And I thought i'd give you an easy love. I'm
just saying, and we're talking most important on the field,
then we've got to talk about the results, and we're
talking about the results, then you got to say that
they have not gotten to a point of results wise
where we can go as far as to say he
is the most valuable player to their team, because they
haven't gone as far as they could go to justify
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it over someone like Pat Mahomes, someone have Travis Kelsey.
They don't have Tyreek kill like, they don't have a
lot of those weapons that they've had, you know, in
previous years, Like don't even be wrong. The Baltimore Ravens
have some players. It's not quite the same though, I
mean you have to have meant that. It's not like
Greg Romans the equivalent to Andy Reid. If Andy Reid
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had Lamar Jackson, which I would I would love to
see what that would look like he had he had
a Donovan McNab and only could make it to the
super Bowl, Right, But that's also not the same athlete.
That's not the same athletes as Lamar, and that ain't
the same team that that he has in in Kansas City.
Like I wouldn't compare and say that the Kansas City
Chiefs teams top to bottom are anywhere near as good
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as his teams were in Philly. Not nearly nearly as
good top to bottom, top to bottom, think about you
got what you got a Hall of Famer, talkins hall
of Famer and Travis Kelsey okay, and and then we
could throw Pat Mahomes on their Hall of Famer. Okay,
So you probably are gonna end up having I mean,
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I don't know what Tyren matthew sits. He might be
making a case for him, maybe as a case. But
but you're talking about Troy Vincent, Brian Dawkins in the backfield,
you had Bobby Taylor, Uh take your on the other side,
you want you want to throw uh, who who's my guy?
Chris Jones and other player? I mean, you know, I
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think you had Trotter in the middle, you had you
had now you could question some of the receivers on
on on Philadelphia, but you have some dope running backs.
You had Brian Brian Westbrook, you had Douce Staleyah. I mean,
I'm just saying I don't think they were as good
personnel wise and in Kansas City as they were when
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he had those Philly teams. And when I look at
what what Pat Mahomes has brought to that Kansas City team,
he has been the catalyst and the difference maker ultimately
for this Kansas City team more so than anybody else
on any other team anywhere in the National Football League.
I Mean, you can go through games, though, and this
is why I think Lamar Jackson is the most valuable
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player to his team, because you can go through games
this year for Baltimore and you can identify, oh, they
definitely would have lost that game without Lamar Jackson. But
you can say that about a Pat Mahomes last team.
And if we're saying this year, then that's not close
this year. Like, that's not the case this year. If
we're looking at it this year, then you know you
have a case. And they've got how many what do
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they got? Like seventeen guys on I R Baltimore first
running back? The issues at running back leby on Bell.
By the way, we're in number seventeen at running back
throws me off because fourteen, Like in fourteen, I'm like,
looks like a running back, lose weight, looks like a
receiver man like he used to be jacked up a
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little bit, like he was heavier in college altogether, and
then he lost some weight when he came in and
then he looked a little heavy after his his I
eight this year, so it looks like he is back
in shave. He looks slim like a receiver. But I
just I I don't know what the hell the Ravens are.
Lamar Jackson's off their quarter. I agree, but but okay,
But now ask ask yourself the same question. Do you
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think Tampa Bay is the same team without Tom Brady?
If Tom Brady goes out? Do we think that the
Buffalo Bills are the Buffalo Bills? If if if Josh
Allen goes out, I mean, I wouldn't wouldn't mind seeing
what that looks like the old Mitch A more for
the angle of Mitch though, Like I'm curious in that
scenario if he excels and it's almost like an indictment
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on the Bears and Mattnegge and just that that whole deal.
Like I'm one more curious from that angle, not not
for this debate, And I think I think it's what's
getting lost in all of it is besides the fact
that replacing Lamar Jackson, who led them in rushing this
past week, uh probably will for the season, by the way,
given the running back situation, and also throw for at
least over three thousand yards, maybe four thousand yards. When
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it's all said and done with seventeen games, you just
don't find that, Like like, I'm sorry. You can throw
whatever quarterback name you want up, whatever player you want up,
it's it's not going to compare to a guy who
leads his team into rushing and also throws for over
four thousand yards as a quarterback that you you just
can't replace that. I don't know what this team is
without him. His physical gifts are a rarity. And and
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I understand you can throw a Patrick Mahomes and everyone
else up out there, but the differences is when this
dude is behind center, it completely changes how you're gonna play.
We haven't people Aaron Rodgers into the mix. Rogers that
that conversation too, and I listen, I get where you're
coming from. And those those are eye popping stats. And
you're right, you're not gonna find somebody else who can
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bring more to the table in terms of what they
can do from that position. But I will still throw.
I will still throw this out there, and I will say,
as it applies to this season, we could look at
it and it could be up for debate, and maybe
maybe Lamar is at the head of that pack in
terms of the most valuable player to their team. But
I will also say this, Lamar Jackson hasn't proven that
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being that most valuable to his team can get them
beyond the second round of a play off. And so
to me, while I'm still him that all, I mean
listen and then now that that blurs the lines because
now I'm looking out of Tom Brady and I'm saying
that's on tom Brady. If they don't get further than
what they get when they're playing, I'm saying that's cause
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of Tom Brady. And that's rightfully so, because that's what
he brings to the table. You use Derrick Henry as
an example, Yes, they didn't get past the Actually was
that on Derrick Henry? Yes, you gotta run the ball.
If you're the reason why they got there, then you
should be the reason why they keep going. I'm just saying,
I mean to to whom I just getting. You know,
he's called King Henry. M vps of their team are
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going to face that every single year, you know a game.
That's what makes Tom Brady the goat is because that's
what he's he's judged by, that's what he's measured by,
and he continues to deliver it. And he did it
in year one in a COVID year with a team
that was what five hundred team the year before. I'm
just completely different roster. But um, all right, so I
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did a little bit of just you know, on the
heels of the conversation we just had about who's the
most valuable player to their team? UM? In the NFL
on Fox Bet right now, who do you guys believe
is the favorite to win m v P If you
had to take a guess right now? According to Fox Hash,
that's tough because Alan played bad Mahome, It's gonna be
(29:25):
Kyler Murray. Okay, LaVar's I don't know, I really don't.
Matt Stafford still yes, still, still okay. All I'm saying
is this, Lamar Jackson is fifteen to one. Right now?
(29:46):
You're telling me Lamar Jackson if fifteen to one doesn't
wetch your beak a little bit there, Brady Quinn, you
would what's what's Kyler Murray? Kyler Murray six to one?
I mean, I would sprink a little bit of both
with Stafford's uh, he's a little over three to one.
Can you bet against Stafford winning it? I wish Murray
(30:09):
bet against him winning. That's that's the trick. That's what
they put a grand on that. I bet the bank
on that one. They don't. They don't give you field
bets like this guy in the field unless it's somebody
like a Tiger Woods or something. Okay, well, I would
take that bet in the heart. I would too, because
I don't think Matt Stafford's gonna win it. I don't
think he deserves to be m v P. And the
(30:30):
reason why I would go against Kyler Murray is he's
already missed a game. So he's already missed a game. Um,
he's been banged up a little bit. I just think
there's gonna be a push based on how Lamar Jackson
is playing for Lamar Jackson to get some of this love.
I'm telling you that there's there's a lot there. He's
certainly he's certainly playing himself lately into the conversation of
(30:51):
being the top the top guy. Yeah. I like the
Kyler Murray one, but they got six wins. He's got
four of those our game winning drives. I mean, it's
He's played phenomenal and to your point, Michael Parsons is
the favorite to win. Defense. Of course it's locked up,
so there's that bet on something else, all right? Hit
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it is time for something we do on the show
every single day at this time, and it's called this
How could you not get to these stories? Are they scraps?
(33:00):
And for that we turn it over to the great
lead to lap our executive producer, to find out what
the hell we've missed so far. Lee. Guys, we talked
about the canello versus plantat fight and that actually happened
to be happening right during the same time as UFC
two sixty eight, But that didn't stop Dana White from
putting down a little bit of money on that. He
put down a hundred thousand dollars that Canelo would win
by KO or t ko at minus two forty. Well,
(33:23):
that paid out. He ended up winning forty one thousand over.
Can you imagine having so much money that you can
bet a hundred thousand dollars while you're at your job
and it's cool, it's a big deal. I mean, do
you have to have a lot of money to do that?
Can't you can't you place a bet on pretty much
(33:45):
anything while a hundred thousand dollars come on Jonas. That's
just because he's rich. I'm just saying, man, And he
was watching the fight while he was right side. And
by the way, he's not working, he's just he's witnessing
his own fight, that's correct. And by the way, by
the way, he paid off that bet and like the
first what before he even got into the PA. Yes,
(34:08):
I understand, but you know the fight was stopped in
the eleventh round, so he almost didn't win that bet,
So you know, I don't think he was stressing it
too much. First off, Wait, what was the bet that
to him by ko Ko was conscious Let's say, because
it was a t KO another round and change and uh,
(34:30):
you know, maybe it wouldn't have happened. You know. I'm
just saying that it's it's a lot of money to
be betting on now. I mean, but you're talking about
twelve rounds of either a KO or t KO is
going to happen. I thought that was a safe bet.
Did we not have anything else for the scraps? Is
that how we got He's basically saying, By the way,
do you know Dana White is not allowed to gamble
(34:52):
in some casinos in Vegas because he does so well?
Like he like he plays the like cards and twenty
and blackjack, and he does so that they just they
banned him from ship because he card counts. I've gamble.
I've gamble with some very wealthy people before um and
the way they bet and the chips that they use, Like,
did you guys know that there are chocolate chips? I
(35:14):
had never heard of them until I had gone out
with some very very very high network people. I think
they're like twenty five dollar chips or something like that. Yeah, Jesus,
and they look different and they feel different. I got
to touch one, I got to touch one of them.
I didn't chips. I felt I felt very insignificant. I
(35:34):
I stuck to my green chips and black chips. Welcome
to my world, do you guys. Deshan Jackson says he's
gonna be signing with the Raiders. He's told NFL reporter
Josina Anderson that he plans on signing with Raiders and
then threw on Instagram a picture of him in a
Raiders jersey. Alright, Brady Quinn, you're you're a quarterback. You'd
(35:57):
rather have Deshan Jackson or Odell Beckham jew there? Oh man, um,
they might be able to have both. I gotta pick one.
Probably do Sean Jackson with that roster, that team, because
he's still is hitting that he's a home run hitter.
He still is. We saw that this year from him.
(36:18):
O'della seems like, I don't know, there's a lot of
baggage come up with that right now. I'd probably want
to Sean, you know, I don't know, Yeah, I I mean,
And the fact that that's even a conversation at this
point should tell you where where we're at with Odell
Beckham Jr. See I follow on the other side of it.
I think I think that in terms of route running
(36:38):
ability and being able to open up the field and
and if you know, car Is is gifted as we
think he is, and he shows at times. I mean,
I think that, you know, having a route runner that
can catch the ball when he wants to use both hands,
I think to put some in a good, good position.
One else with you guys, we might have a cur
(37:00):
on our hands going into week nine. The five previous
active players to show up on the Peyton and Eli
Manning stream for Monday Night Football, they all lost the
next weekend. We'll start here with Travis Kelsey and Russell
Wilson in week one day lost week two. Rob Gronkowski
showed up on week two, and last week three, Matthew
Stafford showed up week three, lost Week four. Tom Brady
(37:20):
also lost in week eight, and then this week's latest victim,
Josh Allen in the upset. There's something to it. Many
that a great way to blow up the show. I'm
just just say, you know, if if you you know,
show up on that show, we've got a problem. Apparently apparently, yeah, yeah, apparently,
(37:43):
you know but I mean a good what are they
supposed to do? Not book guests? All right? They've got
to you know, indeed that or watch up Peyton Manning.
Each got a retired guy and he eats his food,
doesn't he? Boy? Oh boys, listen, he got a break,
you know, like you gotta you gotta pound your food
fast during your commercial breaks. Actually the retired guys say more.
(38:04):
I'd want to backload it with some like retired guys,
or have some repeat guests, right, like Marsa Lynch was
pretty damn funny. I would love to hear Brady Quinn
on that show. I know that's a conflict of interest, well,
because I love I would love to hear it. They're
trying to talk football and I try to steer it
everywhere other than that, you know, which would be fun
to listen to just three quarterbacks jockeying for position and
(38:26):
you know that form. You should ask Eli about, like
what happened with that that apparel stuff? You know, like
with the issue I would make. I would allude to
it and just see if he would actually go there.
What about the hot sauce? You jump on the hot Yeah?
I mean it just what hot sauce. Yeah, he likes
He's like part of red Hot now, isn't he? Is he?
Is he? Yeah? Wow, they eat they eat hot sauce.
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It was a day of surprises, and this one is
going to piss off a lot of people in the NFL.
We'll get to all of that. Yeah, I've been just
(00:42):
a couple of moments from now it is two Pros
and a Cup of Joe or Errington who is caffeinated
up to the gills. Yeah, Brady Quinn, come on wait
here on FS. We're gonna take you all the way
up through the end of the hour. Here, nine am
Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. What the hell is happening
here on a Monday morning game? Lamar triple shots kicking
(01:05):
at this. It's actually through this. The problem is though
he got the wrong flavor. We're not gonna say which
brand because they're, you know, not a sponsor. You want
to get mentioned. Yeah, but you know why because cream
I'm always round just to finably deny cream always you
(01:31):
sound like the Constabad You guys were constipated or something.
That's like one of the most famous bits that that's
ever taken place because the cream rise dot me. Yeah,
you just kept pulling out cream. It's like, where's the
cream coming from? Brandy was having a hard time cream
and I don't, Oh well, it's gone on the way, okay,
(01:56):
all right here, that's sounds having a hard time to
whatever you trying to do. Tweak. For God's sakes, people,
get it together. Man. Unbelievable. These people couldn't imagine Randy
go into the rest room in the morning though. Is
that is that? Is that dumbable? Is that a dumb
I don't know, but I can only imagine he'll walk
it in at his morning stroll and being like, oh, yeah,
(02:20):
we do we have the we gotta get that, and
we gotta play the Randy Machuman Savage Cream Rise at
the top. We have to get that. We have play
hour four, hour four. We'll have the Randy Savage cream
Rice at the top four minute one. Yeah, just yeah,
I love so you can get into that. Um. All right,
(02:42):
so speaking of a triple shot, um, apparently the Dallas
hold on, hold on before you go to Dallas. Being
from Ohio, this is a big question. I'm interested to
see what what what you say? Brady? Have you ever
seen the movie Gummom? Are you aware of the movie Gummo?
(03:03):
I am not. I've never heard of that before my life.
There you go, classic movie, the same the same creators
of Kids did the movie Gummo. It's like a late nineties,
late nineties movie. Yeah, it's very weird. It was filmed
in Ohio. LaVar showed me clips. Yeah, that looks shot
(03:24):
in Tennessee. No, it was well, they said it was
an Ohio movie because it was. I believe it was
filmed in the Boys. Okay, I know what you're talking about.
I never saw it. I think it was. I think
it's I don't think it was shot in Ohio. It
was a wild in Ohio, Yeah, because it was after
it was it was shot in Ohio based off of
(03:45):
the tornado that tour through Xenia. In fact, my mom
went to school at Central State and Zenio, Ohio. The
interesting fact, I used to want to play for the
Central State Marauders when I was growing up because that's
where my mom went to cool But uh, anyways, that's
where the tornado went through in Ohio and jacked up everything.
(04:06):
And apparently the unless I have it all mixed up,
but apparently they filmed the movie as as this was
like culture in this area after you know, after the tornado.
Looking it up now, it did make a lot of
buy in the box office. It made a whopping a
hundred and sixteen thousand dollars. Mind you, the budget was
(04:29):
one point three millions. So if you are anyone, if
you're starting that Linda Man's, Max Perlitz, Jacob Reynolds, you're
still waiting on your check. Well, we just gave you
a shout out, so hopefully you get a couple more
residuals try to make up that deficit. And what's great
is that we'll have more on that movie coming up
(04:50):
also an hour four. Speaking of deficits, you were getting,
you were getting to the Cow. The Dallas Cow plays
came out podcast. Oh he's good on podcast. Well let
me handle the radio. Jesus I said that broadcasting. I
(05:10):
didn't say podcast. I thought you said podcasting. Okay, I
do love the fact that we just talked to someone
as in LaVar, it was part of the people who
paid to go see that film for a hundred sixteen thousand, Like,
I don't think I want to see it, but I've
seen it many of times in my home. And let
me tell you something. I had a black strobe like
(05:30):
room with with glowing to dark, glowing to dark spider
webs with a glowing to dark spider Man on the wall,
and I used to watch that movie every so often
just you know, yeah, it's a weird flick, man, it was.
It was a weird room and it was weird things
that took place while we were watching that weird ass
movie and a weird spider Man tween the Cowboys and
(05:57):
the broncos Um. What the hell happened to Dallas yesterday?
Did it? Was? They got to be a fluke, right,
this is a fluke game. Yesterday was a twilight Zone
day in the NFL. That's That's all I say. Again,
I think that that one across the too many cats.
We we need a few more dos. All I know
(06:21):
is all I know is I had Denver pegged to
struggle the rest of the way, and and when I
watched the game, all I could think about was, Man,
Denver's playing Dallas the way that Dallas should be playing them.
It's like you're you're you're balancing your run, you're balancing
(06:44):
your past. Your defense is is aggressive. They're they're going
after Doc. I mean they they We saw the can
and apologize if you're you're offended by this when I
say that, we saw the vintage Cowboys that we came
to know. Man, we saw the vintage Cowboys that we
came to know. Look, look here we go, here we
(07:05):
go right, no points in the first half, no points
in the third quarter, and then you get sixteen garbage
in garbage time. You get sixteen in in in stats
and stick to statistical category points right, And then we
look at and we say, oh, Dak Prescott is so great.
(07:27):
He did this. He's the first to do this, he's
the first to get here. He put up this many points,
he put up this many stats and garbage time in
garbage time. We saw vintage. We saw vintage what we
saw cowboys in this game yesterday. Ezekiel Elliott disappears, ends up.
You know, I hope he feels better. But you had
(07:49):
no running game, You had no time to throw the ball.
The offensive line did not hold up well. Um, and
then on defense they allowed the run to take place.
They were giving up even easy passing yards. It was
just I don't know, they look like they were disjointed.
I'll put it this way. We tend to try to
(08:09):
over complicate the number one thing that I I think
dictates games. We can talk about turnover margin, whatever we want,
all right, it's physicality Denver from the get go in
that game. Like to your point, LaVar, I think is
how Dallas would like to play. They would like to
be able to dominate with that offensive line, run the football,
(08:30):
take their shots on offense. They'd like to be able
to dominate with their front seven and put pressure on
you and and not allow you to sit back there
and take shots down field like Teddy Bridgewater was able to.
And and it was the it was a flip script.
It was exactly what Denver then end up doing running
the football and getting after Dak Prescott in the passing game.
(08:52):
But but this is what I think was kind of
like the underlying theme after the von Miller trade, and
I was out in Denver this past week and all
you read, all you heard talked about was is this
team looking towards the future. And the problem with that
narrative is Vic Fangio can't, Pat Sherber can't, Teddy Bridgewater can't.
(09:16):
And these young players and the players who are on
this roster who have been around for a little bit now,
who struggled to begin a season and finally, finally we're
a part of a hot start, even though it then
took them a little while, you know, once they stumbled
for about a month there, they've now regained that confidence
(09:37):
and composure. But I think it felt more to me
like Pat Sherman was calling that game offensively for the Broncos.
There o c for his job. I really do believe
and feel that he's been on the he's on the
chopping block, that seat is red hot, and he came
out with some of his best stuff. He was gonna
(09:58):
take shots and basically say I'm not going down without
a fight, and I'm gonna put my quarterback in a
position where either he delivers or it's on him. Because
I felt like Pat Summer called his best game his
most aggressive game, but it came at a moment where
this is a crucial turning point for this team this season.
And on the flip side of that too, is is
(10:19):
Teddy Bridgewater, who has struggled of late. That became questions
about what he can be. He delivered, he executed. But
I think both Pat Sherman Teddy Bridgewater are on watch
the rest of the season, and so they're gonna have
to continue to keep playing this way if they want
to be a playoff team and if they want to
be a Bronco. I think come. I mean, you know
what it looks like to me, it looked like Denver
(10:40):
was playing, almost like they were relieved to get rid
of a guy who charged people to go to his
Halloween party. It's almost like how Denver was playing, That's
that's what it seemed like to me. You know, the
guy that you know charged for his guest to attend
his Halloween party. That was that duplicate right there. You
want to drive the point. I just want to make
sure you know it sounded like a team that you know,
(11:03):
it was relieved to get rid of a guy who
charged his guests to attend his Halloween party. You just
want to point that out there, so well, and then
his team lost. He woke up and he went from
being what four and forward to seven and one and
now now they're now they're five and four and there's
seven that bad, bad energy over the rams. Yea, and listen,
(11:24):
give a lot of credit to Teddy Bridgewater in the
game that he played, played a masterful game. Uh. He
seemed to find a rhythm. So give the coaching staff
a lot of credit as well. The game playing kept
Dallas of balance on both sides of the ball. You
saw a lot of that. And you know, Brady, you
do such an excellent job of you know, just critiquing,
(11:48):
analyzing and breaking down what takes place. I want to
throw this one out at you. Do you find this
one to be interesting? In Week nine of of this
season that you saw a very interesting dynamic or correlation
of how games were played. A lot were defensively dominated
(12:12):
during the course of this Sunday, uh, this week's games,
and you'd have to assume you also saw the commitment
to trying to run the ball. Go figure you saw
the commitments as teams, Well there you go and look
at their point total, right, So the defense has showed
up in these games. Do you think that that's based
(12:33):
off of where we're at in the season in terms
of the amount of adjustments that are being made in
season towards their opponents. Uh? Maybe, I mean, I think
we're getting that time of the year for sure, when
you're talking about the elements playing a factor, teams needing
to be able to have that rushing attack where it's
gonna be windy, it's gonna be cool, it's gonna be wet.
There's gonna be a lot of a lot of external
(12:55):
factors that are gonna play into not having as high
scoring games, as big a path passing games. I think
that plays a role or plays a factor, right, I
think there's a degree of that. I think there's also
a degree of just you know, for look, this is
this is a league to me of parody. I don't
know that there's another professional sports league that, based on
how it's designed, you know, allows any team to beat
(13:17):
any other team on any given Sunday, you know, because
of the draft and the cap and everything else. And
so I think when and one of the questions I've
had in the past few weeks, LaVar we had kind
of talked about it a week or so ago. Was
a parody in the NFL, like parody issue because like
weeks six through about eight, you saw all these double
(13:37):
digit victories. You're going, man, this isn't normal. It's not
usually like this where you see the more dominant teams
just absolutely dominate, at least based on what they look
like on paper. This was a weekend, Yeah, that that.
I think we saw this flip the script. The dogs
came to play all right. They weren't just covering, they
(13:58):
were they were out there whin thing. And I think
that's what we're gonna see the rest of the way
is a lot more parity in the NFL. Some of
these you know, two three win teams, um four win teams,
You're gonna start to see them pick off a couple
of the better teams who are in the playoff race
right now. I think that's what we're gonna see the
second half. Because think about this too, This wasn't a
divisional matchup and discussing that the you know Cowboys and Broncos.
(14:22):
But the NFL seasons backloaded with divisional play, So we're
gonna see a lot of divisional games where we're gonna
see those opponents who maybe don't the record doesn't look
too good, but they know how to match up with
their divisional rival. And also for people out there concerned
about the Cowboys, don't worry. Everything's gonna be fine. They're
going to hammer Atlanta next week for a couple of reasons.
(14:43):
Number one, bounce back game. Bounce back game and dan
Quinn revenge. That's what. Yeah, alright, so the line is dropping,
folks by the way, sticks and Sticks City is a place,
and my baby trout at LaVar leap in the game him. Now,
many people would not have paid attention to it, may
not have saw it. That's okay. I just thought i'd
(15:06):
bring a little attention to it because he's he's got
Rookie of the Year, defensive Rookie of the year locked up.
I mean, that's done. He's got it. Uh. But he
did tryon Michael Parsons trying to get Yeah, I would
have eventually got it to it, but I'm glad that
you just jumped in there and let him. Let the
people know that Michael Parsons is like could be like
the next one. It didn't work. It didn't work, but
(15:31):
it was close. It was almost there. They got into
he almost executed it. It's better than being premature and
ruining the moment before like Michael Buffer was last time. Yeah,
it wasn't premature like that. You know, it wasn't very early.
It does. He just didn't get it. That happens to
the best time. All right, Two Pros and a Cup
(15:52):
of Olivar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas talks with you here
ons are Oh man, Uh yeah, that's a triple show.
Is run through, LaVar literally run through all right. Coming
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(16:14):
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app. All Right, you
look like you lost, Yes, yes, what happened during the break?
Al Right, here's my live read and doing part to
this nice wonderful diuretic turbo response. Get the response you
(16:37):
need and record setting times. Yeah, it's uh listen, Uh
well time though ran right through. Brady said, you need
to get some vitamin T No, no, that's you need
to get some some that's that's a salad. You need
(16:59):
some roughert like you mean, um, all right, so uh,
we are going to have the scraps coming up later on.
Somebody admitted to you know, I actually don't know what
it's like to have this kind of wealth and when
(17:19):
the idea that somebody could do this with their money
blows my mind. So we will get to that here
come up this hour and it's really I don't know,
it's very stressful. But is Lamar Jackson, I'm gonna present
the question, you guys. I'm not saying he'll win m
v P. Is he the most valuable player to his
(17:39):
team in the NFL? Yes, yeah, I'm not even gonna hesitate. Yes,
And I don't know that it's close. I'm I'm going
to debate it, and I'm gonna say it's Tom Brady.
I'm gonna say Tom Brady is the most important player
to his team. The only issue with that is look
at the record when he was out with with with
(18:01):
New England. I mean, Castle took him to the playoffs
that year. It was a pro bowler that year. I
believe Garoppolo Brissette like those guys came in to replace
some Look with that now, I understand that they're in
a different point now, like the rosters turned over, they're
kind of more not in a rebuilding mode, but trying
to build it back up. So a little different story.
But as far as evidence of when he wasn't there
(18:24):
with Bill, Bill still want some games without him. But
what about Tampa. Well, Tampa is one thing now because
we really haven't seen a miss games, but they were
they were an average team before he get the rosters,
so different. I mean, you have Grown, you have Antonio Brown,
you have all these other players you kind of joined
and decided to stay. Sure, but like Grown and Brown
(18:48):
weren't going to go there if Tom wasn't there, So
there's value there. But I'm just saying different team as
far as wins losses, Like if he was not to
play and we saw someone else go in there and
if they's absolutely crap the bed, that'd be one thing
I'm just looking at. I'm gonna say, I'm looking at
the total whole of what the most valuable player to
their team representations. I see I would have said up
(19:09):
until this year, I would have said probably Russell Wilson.
But we've seen people, but we've seen Gino Smiths played
good football like he's He's actually played pretty well. So
are we are we specifying on the field like stats
and win games just on the field, because if we're
going on the field, it's one hundred percent Derrick Henry,
(19:31):
it's I see, but I think that Tennessee, I don't
think they're gonna be the same. Too small of a
sample size. But if I don't know what the hell
the Ravens are, Lamar Jackson's not on that, I don't
know what the hell the Titans are without Derrick Henry
on the field. They got one win without them, Like,
that's not a large enough sample size to say, all right,
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they'll be fine without them. I said, they proved me wrong.
They did win the game and they want to handily.
But does that mean that they're going to continue down
that that world that wrote that path? I say, Derrick
Henrys them when Derek goes, they go. If they don't go,
he doesn't go out, say Lamar. And is a second
if we're just saying on the field, well, here's what
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I'd argue against that is last night is one. It's
a small sample size, But it's one evidence of that
their schemes not gonna change, Like just because it's now
Adrian Peterson, They're still gonna run the football correct like
they they showcase that if Lamar Jackson isn't at quarterback
for the Baltimore Ravens, they're not gonna run the quarterback
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as much. They're running game is gonna look drastically different.
And it's all it's a completely different team that you're
preparing for, Like there's just an element of there's nothing
you can do at certain points in time when Lamar
Jackson is out there, Like his physical gifts are only
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comparable to probably Michael Vick as far as what he
does when he tucks in and runs or gets in
the open field. I just look, I think he's the
closest thing as far as the type of specimen he
is as an athlete as Lebron was coming into the
NBA when he was young, meaning he was so athletic,
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high flyer, Like everything he did there was a certain
amount of like he was just unstoppable because of his
God given gifts, Like Lamar has essentially given that to
the Ravens offensively. Now you know they obviously haven't won
a Super Bowl yet, but he has won the m
v P. And I just think if he's not with
this team, there are six and two football team right now.
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They're probably a one in seven football team without him,
Maybe maybe two and six. Maybe they get another win
because their defense, you know, can step up at times,
play well enough. But I just think he's that big
of a difference maker for this team with the way
he could play, what he brings to the table, and
how teams have to prepare for him, and we're basing
it off of those elements, then you gotta switch up
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and go all the way to Patrick Mahomes as the
most valuable player to their team. But they've won games
without him. Yeah, but that offense and those weapons gone
as far as they've gone without him. And and to me,
if you're looking at and I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to diminish or take away from from Lamar Jackson,
I'm really not. What I'm saying is right there you go.
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And I thought i'd give you an easy love. I'm
just saying, and we're talking most important on the field,
then we've got to talk about the results, and we're
talking about the results, then you got to say that
they have not gotten to a point of results wise
where we can go as far as to say he
is the most valuable player to their team, because they
haven't gone as far as they could go to justify
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it over someone like Pat Mahomes, someone have Travis Kelsey.
They don't have Tyreek kill like, they don't have a
lot of those weapons that they've had, you know, in
previous years, Like don't even be wrong. The Baltimore Ravens
have some players. It's not quite the same though, I
mean you have to have meant that. It's not like
Greg Romans the equivalent to Andy Reid. If Andy Reid
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had Lamar Jackson, which I would I would love to
see what that would look like he had he had
a Donovan McNab and only could make it to the
super Bowl, Right, But that's also not the same athlete.
That's not the same athletes as Lamar, and that ain't
the same team that that he has in in Kansas City.
Like I wouldn't compare and say that the Kansas City
Chiefs teams top to bottom are anywhere near as good
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as his teams were in Philly. Not nearly nearly as
good top to bottom, top to bottom, think about you
got what you got a Hall of Famer, talkins hall
of Famer and Travis Kelsey okay, and and then we
could throw Pat Mahomes on their Hall of Famer. Okay,
So you probably are gonna end up having I mean,
(23:46):
I don't know what Tyren matthew sits. He might be
making a case for him, maybe as a case. But
but you're talking about Troy Vincent, Brian Dawkins in the backfield,
you had Bobby Taylor, Uh take your on the other side,
you want you want to throw uh, who who's my guy?
Chris Jones and other player? I mean, you know, I
(24:08):
think you had Trotter in the middle, you had you
had now you could question some of the receivers on
on on Philadelphia, but you have some dope running backs.
You had Brian Brian Westbrook, you had Douce Staleyah. I mean,
I'm just saying I don't think they were as good
personnel wise and in Kansas City as they were when
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he had those Philly teams. And when I look at
what what Pat Mahomes has brought to that Kansas City team,
he has been the catalyst and the difference maker ultimately
for this Kansas City team more so than anybody else
on any other team anywhere in the National Football League.
I Mean, you can go through games, though, and this
is why I think Lamar Jackson is the most valuable
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player to his team, because you can go through games
this year for Baltimore and you can identify, oh, they
definitely would have lost that game without Lamar Jackson. But
you can say that about a Pat Mahomes last team.
And if we're saying this year, then that's not close
this year. Like, that's not the case this year. If
we're looking at it this year, then you know you
have a case. And they've got how many what do
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they got? Like seventeen guys on I R Baltimore first
running back? The issues at running back leby on Bell.
By the way, we're in number seventeen at running back
throws me off because fourteen, Like in fourteen, I'm like,
looks like a running back, lose weight, looks like a
receiver man like he used to be jacked up a
(25:38):
little bit, like he was heavier in college altogether, and
then he lost some weight when he came in and
then he looked a little heavy after his his I
eight this year, so it looks like he is back
in shave. He looks slim like a receiver. But I
just I I don't know what the hell the Ravens are.
Lamar Jackson's off their quarter. I agree, but but okay,
But now ask ask yourself the same question. Do you
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think Tampa Bay is the same team without Tom Brady?
If Tom Brady goes out? Do we think that the
Buffalo Bills are the Buffalo Bills? If if if Josh
Allen goes out, I mean, I wouldn't wouldn't mind seeing
what that looks like the old Mitch A more for
the angle of Mitch though, Like I'm curious in that
scenario if he excels and it's almost like an indictment
(26:25):
on the Bears and Mattnegge and just that that whole deal.
Like I'm one more curious from that angle, not not
for this debate, And I think I think it's what's
getting lost in all of it is besides the fact
that replacing Lamar Jackson, who led them in rushing this
past week, uh probably will for the season, by the way,
given the running back situation, and also throw for at
least over three thousand yards, maybe four thousand yards. When
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it's all said and done with seventeen games, you just
don't find that, Like like, I'm sorry. You can throw
whatever quarterback name you want up, whatever player you want up,
it's it's not going to compare to a guy who
leads his team into rushing and also throws for over
four thousand yards as a quarterback that you you just
can't replace that. I don't know what this team is
without him. His physical gifts are a rarity. And and
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I understand you can throw a Patrick Mahomes and everyone
else up out there, but the differences is when this
dude is behind center, it completely changes how you're gonna play.
We haven't people Aaron Rodgers into the mix. Rogers that
that conversation too, and I listen, I get where you're
coming from. And those those are eye popping stats. And
you're right, you're not gonna find somebody else who can
(27:33):
bring more to the table in terms of what they
can do from that position. But I will still throw.
I will still throw this out there, and I will say,
as it applies to this season, we could look at
it and it could be up for debate, and maybe
maybe Lamar is at the head of that pack in
terms of the most valuable player to their team. But
I will also say this, Lamar Jackson hasn't proven that
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being that most valuable to his team can get them
beyond the second round of a play off. And so
to me, while I'm still him that all, I mean
listen and then now that that blurs the lines because
now I'm looking out of Tom Brady and I'm saying
that's on tom Brady. If they don't get further than
what they get when they're playing, I'm saying that's cause
(28:16):
of Tom Brady. And that's rightfully so, because that's what
he brings to the table. You use Derrick Henry as
an example, Yes, they didn't get past the Actually was
that on Derrick Henry? Yes, you gotta run the ball.
If you're the reason why they got there, then you
should be the reason why they keep going. I'm just saying,
I mean to to whom I just getting. You know,
he's called King Henry. M vps of their team are
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going to face that every single year, you know a game.
That's what makes Tom Brady the goat is because that's
what he's he's judged by, that's what he's measured by,
and he continues to deliver it. And he did it
in year one in a COVID year with a team
that was what five hundred team the year before. I'm
just completely different roster. But um, all right, so I
(29:04):
did a little bit of just you know, on the
heels of the conversation we just had about who's the
most valuable player to their team? UM? In the NFL
on Fox Bet right now, who do you guys believe
is the favorite to win m v P If you
had to take a guess right now? According to Fox Hash,
that's tough because Alan played bad Mahome, It's gonna be
(29:25):
Kyler Murray. Okay, LaVar's I don't know, I really don't.
Matt Stafford still yes, still, still okay. All I'm saying
is this, Lamar Jackson is fifteen to one. Right now?
(29:46):
You're telling me Lamar Jackson if fifteen to one doesn't
wetch your beak a little bit there, Brady Quinn, you
would what's what's Kyler Murray? Kyler Murray six to one?
I mean, I would sprink a little bit of both
with Stafford's uh, he's a little over three to one.
Can you bet against Stafford winning it? I wish Murray
(30:09):
bet against him winning. That's that's the trick. That's what
they put a grand on that. I bet the bank
on that one. They don't. They don't give you field
bets like this guy in the field unless it's somebody
like a Tiger Woods or something. Okay, well, I would
take that bet in the heart. I would too, because
I don't think Matt Stafford's gonna win it. I don't
think he deserves to be m v P. And the
(30:30):
reason why I would go against Kyler Murray is he's
already missed a game. So he's already missed a game. Um,
he's been banged up a little bit. I just think
there's gonna be a push based on how Lamar Jackson
is playing for Lamar Jackson to get some of this love.
I'm telling you that there's there's a lot there. He's
certainly he's certainly playing himself lately into the conversation of
(30:51):
being the top the top guy. Yeah. I like the
Kyler Murray one, but they got six wins. He's got
four of those our game winning drives. I mean, it's
He's played phenomenal and to your point, Michael Parsons is
the favorite to win. Defense. Of course it's locked up,
so there's that bet on something else, all right? Hit
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(32:37):
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it is time for something we do on the show
every single day at this time, and it's called this
How could you not get to these stories? Are they scraps?
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And for that we turn it over to the great
lead to lap our executive producer, to find out what
the hell we've missed so far. Lee. Guys, we talked
about the canello versus plantat fight and that actually happened
to be happening right during the same time as UFC
two sixty eight, But that didn't stop Dana White from
putting down a little bit of money on that. He
put down a hundred thousand dollars that Canelo would win
by KO or t ko at minus two forty. Well,
(33:23):
that paid out. He ended up winning forty one thousand over.
Can you imagine having so much money that you can
bet a hundred thousand dollars while you're at your job
and it's cool, it's a big deal. I mean, do
you have to have a lot of money to do that?
Can't you can't you place a bet on pretty much
(33:45):
anything while a hundred thousand dollars come on Jonas. That's
just because he's rich. I'm just saying, man, And he
was watching the fight while he was right side. And
by the way, he's not working, he's just he's witnessing
his own fight, that's correct. And by the way, by
the way, he paid off that bet and like the
first what before he even got into the PA. Yes,
(34:08):
I understand, but you know the fight was stopped in
the eleventh round, so he almost didn't win that bet,
So you know, I don't think he was stressing it
too much. First off, Wait, what was the bet that
to him by ko Ko was conscious Let's say, because
it was a t KO another round and change and uh,
(34:30):
you know, maybe it wouldn't have happened. You know. I'm
just saying that it's it's a lot of money to
be betting on now. I mean, but you're talking about
twelve rounds of either a KO or t KO is
going to happen. I thought that was a safe bet.
Did we not have anything else for the scraps? Is
that how we got He's basically saying, By the way,
do you know Dana White is not allowed to gamble
(34:52):
in some casinos in Vegas because he does so well?
Like he like he plays the like cards and twenty
and blackjack, and he does so that they just they
banned him from ship because he card counts. I've gamble.
I've gamble with some very wealthy people before um and
the way they bet and the chips that they use, Like,
did you guys know that there are chocolate chips? I
(35:14):
had never heard of them until I had gone out
with some very very very high network people. I think
they're like twenty five dollar chips or something like that. Yeah, Jesus,
and they look different and they feel different. I got
to touch one, I got to touch one of them.
I didn't chips. I felt I felt very insignificant. I
(35:34):
I stuck to my green chips and black chips. Welcome
to my world, do you guys. Deshan Jackson says he's
gonna be signing with the Raiders. He's told NFL reporter
Josina Anderson that he plans on signing with Raiders and
then threw on Instagram a picture of him in a
Raiders jersey. Alright, Brady Quinn, you're you're a quarterback. You'd
(35:57):
rather have Deshan Jackson or Odell Beckham jew there? Oh man, um,
they might be able to have both. I gotta pick one.
Probably do Sean Jackson with that roster, that team, because
he's still is hitting that he's a home run hitter.
He still is. We saw that this year from him.
(36:18):
O'della seems like, I don't know, there's a lot of
baggage come up with that right now. I'd probably want
to Sean, you know, I don't know, Yeah, I I mean,
And the fact that that's even a conversation at this
point should tell you where where we're at with Odell
Beckham Jr. See I follow on the other side of it.
I think I think that in terms of route running
(36:38):
ability and being able to open up the field and
and if you know, car Is is gifted as we
think he is, and he shows at times. I mean,
I think that, you know, having a route runner that
can catch the ball when he wants to use both hands,
I think to put some in a good, good position.
One else with you guys, we might have a cur
(37:00):
on our hands going into week nine. The five previous
active players to show up on the Peyton and Eli
Manning stream for Monday Night Football, they all lost the
next weekend. We'll start here with Travis Kelsey and Russell
Wilson in week one day lost week two. Rob Gronkowski
showed up on week two, and last week three, Matthew
Stafford showed up week three, lost Week four. Tom Brady
(37:20):
also lost in week eight, and then this week's latest victim,
Josh Allen in the upset. There's something to it. Many
that a great way to blow up the show. I'm
just just say, you know, if if you you know,
show up on that show, we've got a problem. Apparently apparently, yeah, yeah, apparently,
(37:43):
you know but I mean a good what are they
supposed to do? Not book guests? All right? They've got
to you know, indeed that or watch up Peyton Manning.
Each got a retired guy and he eats his food,
doesn't he? Boy? Oh boys, listen, he got a break,
you know, like you gotta you gotta pound your food
fast during your commercial breaks. Actually the retired guys say more.
(38:04):
I'd want to backload it with some like retired guys,
or have some repeat guests, right, like Marsa Lynch was
pretty damn funny. I would love to hear Brady Quinn
on that show. I know that's a conflict of interest, well,
because I love I would love to hear it. They're
trying to talk football and I try to steer it
everywhere other than that, you know, which would be fun
to listen to just three quarterbacks jockeying for position and
(38:26):
you know that form. You should ask Eli about, like
what happened with that that apparel stuff? You know, like
with the issue I would make. I would allude to
it and just see if he would actually go there.
What about the hot sauce? You jump on the hot Yeah?
I mean it just what hot sauce. Yeah, he likes
He's like part of red Hot now, isn't he? Is he?
Is he? Yeah? Wow, they eat they eat hot sauce.
(38:47):
There you go. God, just thought i'd put you up
on that. You know, listen to mean appreciate it. It's
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