February 17, 2022 • 39 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar discuss West Coast Football Culture losing premiere talent to other parts of the country. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer talks about Sean McVay and Aaron Donald trying to run it back before retirement, plus Kyler Murray and Carson Wentz's statuses with their organizations. Also, a scary trend for Joe Burrow on the daily edition of the BQ News.
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Pacific here on fs are for those of you waking
up on the West Coast listening on the blowtorch AM
five seventy l A Sports, Um, don't worry. You probably
weren't at the Rams Super Bowl parade, much like a
majority of the city, So congratulations, welcome in. We have
talked plenty about that Matt Stafford drunk not helping a
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camera woman to tune into the game anyway, So it's
not like this is just uh, do part of you though,
uh enjoy the fact that l A Football is being exposed,
Brady Quinn, just a little part of you just kind
of No. It makes me sad because I'm a huge
believer in the game and the lessons that it's taught
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me and how impactful it can be, I think, especially
for the youth. And I think there's a there's plenty
of plenty of examples of, you know, just ways it
prepares you for whether it's your career or fatherhood or
being a husband, whatever it is. There's so so many
examples in the game of football, and so I hate
the fact that like it's being diminished in the West Coast.
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You know that that people are buying into certain narratives
around the sport like it. It more hurts from that
standpoint because I just I think the game is too
valuable um to so many people, especially those you've played
and who have been involved, Um, they understand how special
it is. So that that's what bothers me is You've
got an entire West Coast big markets who aren't as
invested as other parts of the country. And so I
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think it allows, at least in college football, for the
SEC to dominate. It allows for other you know, media markets,
you know, to be able to dominate those discussions too,
just because not because there are any like any bigger.
I mean, look at l A. L is number two
media mark in the country. Yet I think there's just
more of a buzz around it and the appreciation and
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culture that is in other parts of the country. But
I mean, USC's back though. I understand play football in California.
I mean listen, I'm not saying they don't, but the
numbers are down. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
But they play down. Yeah, well it's it's down all
over the country. I mean, ever since that is West
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Coast man, Yeah, they still play some really good football
out here. I mean, I see if I'm questioning that
like that, that's not what I'm questioning, Like I'm questioning
you can't tell me culturally it's the same the West
Coast as it is anywhere else in the country. Well,
and you don't have to look any further than that,
but just look at the data from who watched the game. Yeah,
I'm I guess maybe I'm speaking more based on participation.
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I think the West Coast has always been different in
terms of how how they're viewed and what their style
is and and how they're perceived. But in terms of
quality football players, there's still a lot of quality players
that come from here, and there's a lot of quality
quality you know, a lot of quality football out they
just go elsewhere, which is weird. Well, again, when you
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when you go other places and you see what a
big deal it is, it feels bigger. It's not as
big of a city, but it feels bigger. In Tuscaloosa,
it feels bigger. In Columbus, Ohio, it feels bigger and
Happy Valley because those of those. But that's the thing though,
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like you go there and like when those they're like,
holy crap, I can go here. And and and people
are excited about it, Like people, I'm getting more Twitter
followers just because I've committed to a university to go play.
I haven't done anything for them yet, but I've got
thousands of people now following me who care and all that.
It's just it's different. Again. It's I'm not saying that,
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you know, again the West Coast doesn't have talent or
they don't play good football. That's not what we're saying. Culturally,
it's different. I think the parade and the ratings and
all that, it's just an example of that. I'm not
I'm not debating your point. I'm just saying from my perspective,
like even when you look at the top teams high
school wise, they're generally to our three in the top ten,
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top five that are from southern California, and and and
so to me, they play football here. So's I guess
the point I was trying to get to is it
doesn't seem it doesn't seem to make sense why that
doesn't correlate to the excitement or the buy in to
the college level or to even the pro level. It
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doesn't seem to correlate because it is a football crazy
deal here high school and youth. It's big, from Snoop
to the I E. The O. G Ducks with key
fee to the Juice County Cats with less Fafita less.
His whole crew just went to Arizona, like all the
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survey went to to Arizona to build that program. I mean,
it's football is tremendously big. It's definitely culture here in California.
And I say that coming from Pittsburgh. So but I
don't know why it doesn't correlate if you like, if
one of your kids came to you, LaVar that you
were coaching or mentoring, and they said, Hey, I want
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to go somewhere where I'm gonna get to feel a
real college football experience. Would you direct them towards the
West Coast or somewhere in the big town. I mean
that's a loaded question, because a football or a college
football experience is what you make it. I mean, you know,
you think about when Leinert and and Reggie and those
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guys were at USC. They turned USC into the place
to be. That may have changed the differences is you
didn't have two pro teams there. You don't have a
Lakers team that had Lebron James, you don't have a
Dodgers team that was as successful as they are now,
Like that whole era on period of time will never
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be replicated at Southern account. I will argue that to
my dying days, because it's impossible when you have so
much competition in a market that can absorb it. Like
we watched that market. We watched l A absorb a
super Bowl and there was parts for like people, I
don't even think newest super Bowl is going on. It's
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just it's it's such a big market that if you're
the only thing there and things are rolling and going well, yeah,
like people are gonna get behind it. It's it's no
different than any coastal spot like that, even if you're
down in South Florida, no different than the you. But
when you all of a sudden have a lot of
competition for that, it becomes a lot harder to get
the attention and appreciation like those guys got back then,
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back when they didn't have the same competition they have now.
I still wouldn't say it's it's impossible for it to happen,
like magic can happen. Like I just I look at
it like magic can happen. Like, I don't. I think
it's hard to to perceive or or or you know,
kind of comprehend that that Penn State could actually be
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a national champion again, like like how they were in
the eighties. I find it to be a tab bit
hard to see you that, But it's possible. It's possible
that it can happen. It's possible that a Reggie Bush
could emerge from San Diego or from somewhere for USC,
it's possible, and Matt Leinard, you know, could emerge at
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USC again. It's possible that the team could be good
enough to garner the attention that they did during that time.
It's possible. Is it likely? I don't know, you know,
I don't. I don't know. I'm winning a national hold on,
didn't win in a national championship now versus what those
guys did back then, which which about that point in time,
they were one of the greatest college football teams ever,
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like the windstreak, everything else they have going on. But
the differences Again, if if you just had a team
win a Super Bowl and that was the celebration that
they received, explain to me how you think it's gonna
be any bigger for southern cow Well, I think the
possibilities exists in the tradition and in the history of it.
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I don't. I think there's a there's such a gap
between when the Rams were here the first time, when
they were Ramits to to where they are now. I
think there's a disconnect. It was long enough where there's
a disconnect. I do not. There is not a disconnect
from culture in Southern California with USC, not at all.
In fact, that's why they still get the top recruits
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going there even though they haven't haven't done really too
much with it. I think I think it is possible
USC could win a national title again. They'll never see
the craze or hysteria that they got back at two
thousands with Matt and Reggie. It's never gonna somebody might
have said that before the two thousands happened. At least
there's some really good teams that played for USC, like
being being here and going to you USC games and
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that whole vibe. It was just they were the show
in town. They were the rock stars like they were.
It was their town man. Its just it's not like
people said that about Michael Irving and and Alonzo high
Smith and and those guys when they went to Miami
with with Schnellenberger that that you will never have that
ever again. You'll never have the ub that again. They did.
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I mean but they did. But they did, they did well.
They had that. They had that period of time and
then that was it like it's difference, but it's not.
But it was they found the magic again. I mean
that whole the whole youth thing with Shocky and all
of those guys during that time they did. So that
was a part of that period though, No, it was
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not that, not even close, not even close with with
Michael Irban and and and those guys in the eighties
when they built the reputation away and it was maintained
through the nineties into two thousand, two thousand and one,
and that's where it started to fall by the wayside.
There it stopped. That was the tradition. There's a there
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was a disconnect between winning and and having success at Miami.
There was. There was a funny thing is is you're
making the same argument that you should be making about
USC because before Pete Carroll got there and Reggie and
Matten all that there was a big gap in their
success too. So exactly. So they brought it back, but
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I'm saying that you hasn't come back like there wasn't
the gap. They had build it up and it was rolling.
And then once the two thousand, once they lost that
national championship game to Ohio State, and that's obviously one
of the more great debated calls and games. They have
never come back from that point. Really, I would debate it.
Debate it because they went on decades. I'm saying, I'm
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saying between you're saying that it never fell off to
the point of where they got to those national titles.
They were on probation and they fell off that whole
when when ray Lewis and right they fell off, and
then after that they came back in the nineties that
they came back. It was gone for a moment and
then they came back. There was a gap. But I
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don't want to split hairs. Over All I'm saying is
is that to find a correlation between why high football
and why football culture is so big in California and
the development of players is so big and and it's
so bought into, but it doesn't correlate to where we're
what we're looking at with this Los Angeles Rams team.
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I find that to be pretty pretty interesting. I don't
that doesn't seem to it doesn't add up. If you
play football to the level that they play football out here,
Why isn't that how it's being perceived or or or
embraced at the pro level. Petros has talked about it
to where you look at all the great young quarterbacks
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that have come from southern California, Bryce Young being an example,
Why why did he end up in Tuscaloosa? Why could
they not keep him locally? Like? Why why why are
these guys choosing Brady hit it on the hit I mean,
that's that's not that's not up for debate. What's up
for debate is how can you not like, why haven't
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you gotten a guy Maybe they feel like they've done
that now with their higher now at usc But why
haven't you gotten a guy like Pete Carroll that can
rope off these this part of the country and get
kids from San Diego all the way up to northern
parts of California. Why can't you get the type of
guys that are going to yield you the type of
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results that you were getting when they were getting those
type of recruits. Those were all local guys pretty much
that they were getting during that that golden age of
of of USC football when they were good back with Conway,
Curtis Conway and Willie McGinnis and all those guys, And say,
how and all that those are all local guys. Now
they all leave. I mean they don't all leave. They
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still get really fine recruits. I mean they got killib Williams,
had a bunch of wide receivers. And it's it's to me,
it's the lineman. Like that's the biggest difference. And I
don't care what game we're talking about. Look at the
difference in the game the Super Bowl. It was Aaron
Donald von Miller. It was that defensive front for the
Rams versus the old line of the Bank was that
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made the difference. Go back last year to the Super Bowl,
it was that front for the Bucks that made the difference. First,
the Kansas City offensive line. You go back and you
go to any national championship game, go look at that
defensive front for Georgia this year versus the offensive line
of Alabama. Like the difference in winning and losing in
football this day and age, it's everyone wants to make
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it about the quarterback and this and that. The reality
is it's still about the big men in the trenches.
That's still what makes football special. And that's one of
the things that again it's not like harping on the
West Coast, but you don't see that quite as much
out on the West Coast. One of it is, it's
not even that they're different, it's the fact that they
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promote a seven on seven league. They promote flag leagues.
I started playing tackle football in third grade. You don't
see that as much anymore as revalent if you're talking
about West Coast leagues. People are more hesitant to put
their kids in contact sports that at that young of
an age. Now, I've always argued that it's better to
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get in then because you then reinforced the proper technique
and fundamentals at a young age, and so that continues
with you as you get older. Like if you can
teach your kids a sport or a skill when they're young,
with the right fundamentals and techniques, it's only going to
help them reinforce that as they get older. If they
never learn at a younger age, it becomes a lot
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more foreign as they get older and more set in
their ways to do different things because seven on seven
and flag football is drastically different as to how you
go about trying to take someone's flag versus take someone
to the ground, and and that's one of the biggest
differences at least see at a grassroots level as far
as what's happening in different parts of the country. It
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to talk with our NFL inside or about the potential
possibility of Sean McVeigh and Aaron Donald both walking away.
Despite what they were saying yesterday at a parade, both
those guys could be gone. We'll get into that next
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and the I Heart Radio. Right now, we turn it
over to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB.
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Get him on Twitter at Albert Brier Albert. How we
feeling happy Thursday to you and yours. I'm good, how
you guys doing good? Just hanging out, trying to figure
out if anybody was at this RAMS Championship parade. I
know you made a comment about that. Look we're out here, um,
I mean, you know, not exactly. Uh, you know, the
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Lakers in the early two thousands will just it that way,
a little a little different vibe with this one. Yeah,
And you know, I think it's probably a result of
twenty two years there being no NFL team there, and
you know, people have divided loyalties, and I mean it's
called what it is too. I mean, it's a little
different out there. I think that it is in the
Northeast or the Midwest, where the teams are so ingrained,
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you know what I mean. Like, I just I think
it's a different deal. And I had some fun with
it yesterday. But it's not a shot at anybody. It's
just I mean, like again, like those those those that
that market isn't Boston, it's not Philadelphia, it's not Chicago,
it's not Cleveland. It's pretty different out there. I think
you'd agree with that, right, Yeah, But you know, people
get a little sensitive to that out here. So that's
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that's the way this works. Um. I wanted to ask
you on the Sean McVeigh Aaron Donald front, um we
were talking about earlier this week. It felt like, Yeah,
maybe Aaron Donald's looking to uh to get get a
better deal Sean McVeigh, Maybe he's got a deal on
the table broadcasting wise, What is your expectation? What are
you hearing about both those guys potential return and retirement
next year? Yeah, I think we'll see. You know, I
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think you need a couple of days to kind of
separate from this, and um, you know, they've obviously been
in the euphoria of of everything, of winning a Super Bowl,
of everything that comes along with it. Um, I think
you know, there's probably been a good portion of that
that's been a little hazy for everybody involved in rightfully.
So um, you know, and then I think, you know,
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today is the day when players start to filter out. Um,
you know, the parade yesterday, and I know, uh players,
a lot of coaches are leaving town um today, and
so you know, I think this is when you sort
of get into that period of reflection. And then when
it comes to Sean McVeigh. I think the time is
eventually going to come. Maybe it's now, maybe it's not.
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When he takes a year or two off, makes good
money and TV UM get some family time, UM, and
you know, then would wind up coming back at some point.
With it was the ability to be maybe the hottest
coaching candidate in the history of football. UM. And then
with Aaron Donald. I just think it's sort of the
reality where we are with players, you know, like and
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it's a good thing as as I see it, UM,
you know, and the guys like Calvin Johnson and and
and Patrick Wills have been able to make these decisions.
Rob Gronkowski before he came back is in that category
to where, you know, I think it's really three things.
You know. Number one, UM, guys are cognizant of what
football does their bodies and the long term effects can have.
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Number two, UM, guys are making more money, so they've
got more financial flexibility to walk away if they want to.
And in a lot of cases, they're taking better care
of their money, you know. And the number three, I
think you know, guys are looking ahead pass football probably
more commonly than they did thirty or forty years ago.
And so a lot of these guys have an idea
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of what they want to do after football. It's less
scary the idea of walking away, you know. So I
think in general, you know, guys have more resources and
more and for aation to make these sorts of decisions.
And so, you know, I think somebody like Aaron Donald,
you know, I think certainly can look at this and
say I've taken care of my money. Um. You know,
he's got family considerations too, same way McVeigh does. And
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you know, I think that there is that that that
that that piece of him that is thought to himself.
What would it be like if I walked away? Um?
You know. And again, like you know, it's not as
wild a decision if if he were to do it,
um as it used to be. You know, Calvin Johnson,
I believe, walked away after nine years. Uh. Patrick Willis
walked away after eight years, and this would be eight
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years for Aaron Donald. So you'd be right in line
with those guys. I guess as you look at the
landscape though of the NFC, do you think it's not
enticing enough to go? Hold on a second, if Tom
Brady stays retired and if Aaron Rodgers has to move teams. Uh,
what's our competition, right, I mean Russell Wilson could be
on the move to like you kind of look around
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and go, who really is ending in our way from repeating? Like,
wouldn't that be enticing enough? Yeah, I mean I'm with you,
A Brady Dallas San Francisco, right, Like I guess would
be the top ones if you're taking Green Bay out
of the equation. And look if if Aaron Rodgers is back,
then you know obviously they're right back in the mix.
But I'm with you. I mean you look at the
next five years in the NFL and really, um, you know,
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like the if we want to tie this to quarterbacks,
like a lot of it's in the a f C.
You know, Burrow and Cincinnati, Mahomes in Kansas City, Uh,
Milamar in Baltimore, Herbert in in in l A And
of course Josh Allen and Buffalo. I mean, it looks
a lot like a lot of the strength you know
when it comes to young quarterbacks in the league is
and the other conference. So I think it would be
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enticing the idea of coming back and and and and
making one more run at it. And it wouldn't surprise
me either, if you know, a guy like McVeigh or
a guy like Aaron Donald resolves to say, you know, okay,
like I'm gonna give this one more and we'll see
if we can go and repeat, you know, and then
after that, I'm gonna get this a really hard look,
you know. And so for Aaron Donald, and that would
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be nine years for Sean McVeigh, you know, like that
would be okay, And I got an opportunity to repeat
as a super Bowl champion and then imagine what you know,
the television setworks would would would be um lining up
to give me after that. So um yeah, I mean
I think that that certainly is a consideration, like your
ability to repeat, And I think you know, you have
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to look at where the rams are too, and um,
you know, their ability to bring everybody back, they do
have some tough decisions to make. You know, Stafford is
in line for an extension. Next year is a contract
year for him. Von Miller is a free agent, you know.
Odell Beckham is a free agent too, And you look
at the receiver situation and that's interesting also because now
they do bring Beckham back, then you've you're talking about
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having two receivers coming off of a c l s
and Robert Woods and O'Dell Beckham, and so you know,
there are a lot of questions with where the Rams
are going to coming out of this year. Um, you know,
and I mean obviously it was all worth it to
win a championship. I you know, I think you balanced
kind of like some of the challenges that are head
with the head for them with like you said, like
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you know where the NFC is and how it looks
like they may have, you know, a pretty viable path
to another Super Bowl. Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at
the MMQB, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is a two pros and a cup of joe here
on fs are, Um, what is going on with Kyler
Murray and the Arizona Cardinals keeping it in the NFC West? Um,
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you know, Chris Mortenson had the report that came out,
you know, where there was a source within the Cardinals
organization that called himselfish and immature, etcetera, etcetera. Kyler Murray
defended himself on social media, like what what is happening
from people you've talked to behind the scenes there with
Kyler and the Arizona Cardinals. You know, it's hard for
me not to tie until like the juncture of his
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career he's at UM. And I think that this is
sort of starting to happen the last couple of years,
where you know, when you come into that fourth year
UM as a quarterback who goes who was drafted in
the first round down, a decision point comes because that's
when you're eligible for your first contract. That's when the
team's got to make a decision on your fifth year option.
And you know, I think a player, you know, kind
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of find some hard realities in that, and you know,
how willing is a team to extend for me, um,
and how like because these guys all here, how a
team is all in for them when they're draft in
the first round. Well, after three years, you're gonna find
out the truth. You don't see where your team stands
up stands with you, and you know, like whether or
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not they're willing to go forward with the contract extension. Um.
You know, like I think that that's a very real question.
And so like the way I look at it, you know,
I I think that the Cardinals are left wanting for
some more from Kyler Murray in certain ways. The talents
all there, there's no question about that. UM. But you know,
I think the questions that that that that have been
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raised over the last year or so, are you know,
Kenny Kenny Kenny Canny. Can he be like the guy
in the front of the room, UM? Can he be
a leader? Can he be the guy in the off
season you can count on? And I know it got
the attention to some guys in that building when he
didn't show up to some of the off season program
stuff last year. Now, in his defense, he did plan
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passing camps on his own and Arizona and Texas and
and got guys out there to throw with him and
everything else. But I do think there are some questions
about him as a leader and UM, and I think
that they want to see a little bit more from
him in that department. And I think, yeah, that to
the friction, or that that to the contract situation and
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whether or not they're willing to extend them, and maybe
what he might have heard from the team if he
and his agent went to the team and asked for
an extension. And I think you can kind of add
those up and see where the friction might be Albert.
I want to talk about another quarterback who it's kind
of interesting to see what's gonna happen to him this offseason.
Carson Wentz with the Colts. Uh, it sounds like they
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might be looking to move on from him or to
get getting out from underneath some of the money that
s owed to him as well. I'm just here. I
mean I said this yesterday. I kind of stand by it.
I don't know that it makes sense for like them
to look elsewhere or him to really go elsewhere at
this point. Maybe they feel like they're done with them.
I just I feel like they're making a kind of
rash decision when he wasn't healthy going into this season
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and it was his first year with a lot of
the guys he's working with. Yeah, I mean Brady, I
mean for him, I'm not sure, Like if that's if
this didn't work, I don't know what what what will
you know? Like, I mean, he's got Frank Reich there
and you know, like they've got i mean pretty good infrastructure.
You know, he's got Jonathan Taylor behind him and he
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he's throwing to Michael Pittman and and t y Ailton
and um, I mean you know, is it is it
what like Tom Brady walked into too on Tampa? Maybe not,
but it's a pretty good situation. And you know, I
know there's real concern over how he faded down the
stretch and and what happened when it mattered most. And
you know, I think the problem the Colts have now
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is what they what they saw the last month of
the season correlates like almost perfectly to why Philadelphia wound
up giving up on him. And so I think that's
where your real concern is. It's not just you know
what happened, Um, you know at the end of one
it's the way that ended for him in Philadelphia. And
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you know, I think that that's that that's the issue
is like is this just who he is now? The
problem for the Colts is if it's not Carson once,
then what you know, like where are you turning? And
if Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay and I'm not
sure you even want to go to Indianapolis, but you know,
if Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay, um, we'll see
what happens with Russell Wilson. Where are your options? Where's
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your upgrade? And you know, if if you if you
are looking for an upgrade, it is going to cost
you because you know, here's a lot of his money
for next year is guaranteed. And so you know, I
think you have to sort of look at this as
a value proposition for the Colts. It's do you give
it another shot with Carson Wentz and see where it's going,
or do you detach from him? Just to detach from him,
(28:07):
it's gonna cost you at least fifteen million dollars. That's
sunk cost. Um. I's gonna cost you at least fifteen
million dollars just to walk away from him. And so
you know, like that means going and getting Jimmy Garoppolo, say,
let's just throw his name out there. Um for million,
I think will be the would be the number coming in.
Now you're talking about spending forty one million dollars to
(28:30):
to turn over your quarterback position, and it's going and
getting Garoppolo over once really worth it. So I think
that's the way you have to look at it. And
I think that's why there's still a decent chance that
Once winds up back in Indianapolis. Even if the Colts,
you know, would would would would like to look at
some sort of upgrade. I don't think it's there for
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them in the draft, and if you look at the
veteran market, I mean the top options to Shaun Watson,
who is probably not going to be available to him
because he's in their division in um so, I don't
know where that better option is outside of of going
with Carson Wants when you consider all the different factors
with his contract and what you'd be bringing in. He
is Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB
(29:13):
always kind enough to join us every single week here
on Fox Sports Radio. Get him on Twitter at Albert
Brier and a good follow this time of year, especially
with all the potential quarterback movement and things around the league. Albert,
we appreciate it. Have a good week week. Thanks for
not cussing this week. Two weeks I was gonna say,
I can't be clean. I was gonna get that. Sure,
(29:37):
I see, I see. I operate a lot better at
eight A M versus five A. Yeah, well listen, we'll listen.
I mean we we thought it added a little bit
of an edginess to you, and people were big fans
of it, so you know, we're good with it. You know, Hey, well,
if you guys want me to reverse course, I can
next week on that There he is, Albert. We'll do
it again next week. Good stuff. As always, it is
(30:00):
two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio.
You just couldn't let it go, could you. You had?
He had to bust his balls one last time on
the way. What do you mean it's fun to talk about?
I mean he covered up the F bomb and left
left out the uh you know that the bad word
for poop. Yeah, I mean, look the way the dump works.
If you're going to use one that close together, just
a ll. I don't think he meant to use the
(30:22):
second one. I thought he was concerned with how he
was a naturally arriving at the first one, and then
you know, kind of got too comfortable with the second
one that came out. Listen, Now, we we all make
that mistake from time to time you go to say
something on the air, you slip up something else. Also,
like the the F word, I think is viewed as
a worse word than the S word. Is that correct? Yeah,
(30:45):
So he was like so concerned with the F word
that he could have forgot about what was coming after it. Yeah,
now I hear you. Listen now it happens sometimes, you know,
like you go to say the word clock and the
l turns into a silence. Yeah, we're Great Britain instead
of you know great. I read what was on the
I remember what is that? I mean, I'm not quite sure,
you know, I thought it was on TV. To be
(31:06):
honest with you, also fairly not uh yeah, what to
research out a little better? Um, to be honest with you?
All right, Well, we will have an update on on
live at Jesus pick earlier on the show as he
chose the U s over Great Britain and curling at
(31:27):
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I know what you're thinking. Well, football season is over.
There's no way it's football Friday, kiss our ass. It
(32:35):
is a Friday all year, regardless of whether or not
there's an actual game being played. But it's not Friday yet.
But it's not Friday yet. It's not Friday yet. Football Friday.
(32:57):
But it's not Friday. Man, this is oh man, alright,
that might be the best one you've ever done. Might
be the best one. Alright then, oh man, what a man?
(33:23):
What a guy? Bags can we do? This though. Can
we get an update on live bet jesus, how's that going?
I'm trying. Uh so they're trying so he uh he
or she could be she, I'm not Um appeared earlier
and bet on the US over Great Britain. Uh said
(33:47):
it correctly this time in men's curling, and um, I'm
seeing that g b R is leading right now five
to four. But I don't know how much time is left.
I don't know what stages is. And I'll be honestly,
I don't know how scoring and curling works, so we're
kind of flying blind shuffle boarding, Yeah, but I don't know.
(34:09):
I don't know the scoring is the same. I think
it is. Huh. By the way, I'm a phenomenal shuffle
board Are you really? Are you gotta play really good?
I've only seen you shuffle your cards in my front pocket.
That's a lot of the out standing out security for
the Chargers game one time. Yeah. By the way, By
(34:30):
the way, that's a hundred percent got to be my
Halloween costume this year, that charge of security guard. I
just gotta find me at the red trench coat. And
you know, did you Chucky t shuffle? Uh? No, I
didn't the head. That would probably be smart shuffling, a
good shuffle. You are a class act. Foul, straight, straight,
(34:51):
and the TV striping the TV set to the gunner unbelievable. Alright,
time for the news, baby, turn on, let's go to
the newstas. Here's Brady Quinn. Alright, alright, this first one
isn't really a news story. It's kind of interesting though,
coming off of the back of the Super Bowl. Um,
(35:12):
did you know each of the last sixteen quarterbacks to
lose in their Super Bowl debut have never made it
back to the big Oh dang, yikes. That is not
a good stat So we're talking like g Jared Goff,
(35:33):
Matt Ryan, cam Newton, obviously Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Matt Hassleback,
Donovan McNab, and Marino. But you had guys like Rich Gannon,
Steve McNair. What's so yeah? Speaking of Drew Blettes, so
huh do you never think he sits around like, Hey,
I'm as good as Tom Brady was. I just didn't
(35:56):
need to get hurt. We would have won all the
same game. He was a good quarterback, he was really good,
and he's doing all right for himself now. He's got
that winery. And what is it? Double back? Double back?
It's called double back? Is it called double back? It's
called double ball. But we did say that the name
(36:16):
of the one that is called double back. Yeah. Here,
I'll have a bottle right here, right what we got? Well,
we'll move on to an actual news story. This one
is actually kind of crazy, I'll be honest with you.
So an Ohio couple and their daughter, they're selling a
doctor and a healthcare system. And uh, here's what happened.
(36:40):
The couple, Mike and Janine. They underwent insemination, a procedure
back in to fertilize the wife's eggs with the husband sperm. Uh,
only one problem. Come to find out in Christmas of
Jessica and her husband, this is my Janine's daughter. Uh.
(37:01):
They went the ancestry dot com. They got the kiss
the kids right ahead of a trip. You know, they're
they're going to Europe and they want to test their
DNA results right to go through their lineage and travel
to different spots. They came to find out that the
father who had raised her was not her biological father.
They're suing the doctor and the health care system because
(37:24):
obviously there was something messed up when they went through
the process of insemination. I wonder if it was Michael Jordan,
would they still sue? Yeah, well based on the photos, Um,
the father's not Michael Jordan. Now is she getting trying?
Is she gonna try and get a refund for all
the Father's Day gifts she bought? And that's going to
(37:47):
be a large that's going to be a large and
years and wastettled money. They're not going to be able
to pay that settlement? Yeah, how much is that gonna be?
Thinks I don't know the exact amount of the of
the lawsuit. I mean, what price tag do you put
on effing up my dad? Like you gave me the
wrong dad? Bastards? I mean, we'll think about the father though,
(38:09):
like the entire time he's raised her. So I'm so
if I'm dead, it's like I have a couple of lawsuits.
She's got these quirky things about him, But that just
must come from the mom's side. Hey, that comes from someone.
Then I'm looking at the mom like, were you in
on this? Were you in on this? Who's the daddy?
(38:31):
I need to know who's the daddy? You know something?
Are not the father. No, yeah, Jest really didn't have
much on this topic. What's up? I just, you know,
I'm not really sure. I don't trust any of those
spitting the tube and send it in the mail sort of,
you know, arrangements. I just don't trust him. It feels
(38:52):
like it would be a little flawed. Interesting, you know,
like you didn't you do one, Brady, and he like, okay,
my sister did. Apparently we're Italian. We didn't know that. Interesting.
I mean, wow, you're gonna go there, like, I just hey, Pagnan.
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(01:02):
Pacific here on fs are for those of you waking
up on the West Coast listening on the blowtorch AM
five seventy l A Sports, Um, don't worry. You probably
weren't at the Rams Super Bowl parade, much like a
majority of the city, So congratulations, welcome in. We have
talked plenty about that Matt Stafford drunk not helping a
(01:23):
camera woman to tune into the game anyway, So it's
not like this is just uh, do part of you though,
uh enjoy the fact that l A Football is being exposed,
Brady Quinn, just a little part of you just kind
of No. It makes me sad because I'm a huge
believer in the game and the lessons that it's taught
(01:44):
me and how impactful it can be, I think, especially
for the youth. And I think there's a there's plenty
of plenty of examples of, you know, just ways it
prepares you for whether it's your career or fatherhood or
being a husband, whatever it is. There's so so many
examples in the game of football, and so I hate
the fact that like it's being diminished in the West Coast.
(02:07):
You know that that people are buying into certain narratives
around the sport like it. It more hurts from that
standpoint because I just I think the game is too
valuable um to so many people, especially those you've played
and who have been involved, Um, they understand how special
it is. So that that's what bothers me is You've
got an entire West Coast big markets who aren't as
invested as other parts of the country. And so I
(02:30):
think it allows, at least in college football, for the
SEC to dominate. It allows for other you know, media markets,
you know, to be able to dominate those discussions too,
just because not because there are any like any bigger.
I mean, look at l A. L is number two
media mark in the country. Yet I think there's just
more of a buzz around it and the appreciation and
(02:50):
culture that is in other parts of the country. But
I mean, USC's back though. I understand play football in California.
I mean listen, I'm not saying they don't, but the
numbers are down. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
But they play down. Yeah, well it's it's down all
over the country. I mean, ever since that is West
(03:10):
Coast man, Yeah, they still play some really good football
out here. I mean, I see if I'm questioning that
like that, that's not what I'm questioning, Like I'm questioning
you can't tell me culturally it's the same the West
Coast as it is anywhere else in the country. Well,
and you don't have to look any further than that,
but just look at the data from who watched the game. Yeah,
I'm I guess maybe I'm speaking more based on participation.
(03:34):
I think the West Coast has always been different in
terms of how how they're viewed and what their style
is and and how they're perceived. But in terms of
quality football players, there's still a lot of quality players
that come from here, and there's a lot of quality
quality you know, a lot of quality football out they
just go elsewhere, which is weird. Well, again, when you
(03:58):
when you go other places and you see what a
big deal it is, it feels bigger. It's not as
big of a city, but it feels bigger. In Tuscaloosa,
it feels bigger. In Columbus, Ohio, it feels bigger and
Happy Valley because those of those. But that's the thing though,
(04:19):
like you go there and like when those they're like,
holy crap, I can go here. And and and people
are excited about it, Like people, I'm getting more Twitter
followers just because I've committed to a university to go play.
I haven't done anything for them yet, but I've got
thousands of people now following me who care and all that.
It's just it's different. Again. It's I'm not saying that,
(04:40):
you know, again the West Coast doesn't have talent or
they don't play good football. That's not what we're saying. Culturally,
it's different. I think the parade and the ratings and
all that, it's just an example of that. I'm not
I'm not debating your point. I'm just saying from my perspective,
like even when you look at the top teams high
school wise, they're generally to our three in the top ten,
(05:01):
top five that are from southern California, and and and
so to me, they play football here. So's I guess
the point I was trying to get to is it
doesn't seem it doesn't seem to make sense why that
doesn't correlate to the excitement or the buy in to
the college level or to even the pro level. It
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doesn't seem to correlate because it is a football crazy
deal here high school and youth. It's big, from Snoop
to the I E. The O. G Ducks with key
fee to the Juice County Cats with less Fafita less.
His whole crew just went to Arizona, like all the
(05:45):
survey went to to Arizona to build that program. I mean,
it's football is tremendously big. It's definitely culture here in California.
And I say that coming from Pittsburgh. So but I
don't know why it doesn't correlate if you like, if
one of your kids came to you, LaVar that you
were coaching or mentoring, and they said, Hey, I want
(06:05):
to go somewhere where I'm gonna get to feel a
real college football experience. Would you direct them towards the
West Coast or somewhere in the big town. I mean
that's a loaded question, because a football or a college
football experience is what you make it. I mean, you know,
you think about when Leinert and and Reggie and those
(06:27):
guys were at USC. They turned USC into the place
to be. That may have changed the differences is you
didn't have two pro teams there. You don't have a
Lakers team that had Lebron James, you don't have a
Dodgers team that was as successful as they are now,
Like that whole era on period of time will never
(06:48):
be replicated at Southern account. I will argue that to
my dying days, because it's impossible when you have so
much competition in a market that can absorb it. Like
we watched that market. We watched l A absorb a
super Bowl and there was parts for like people, I
don't even think newest super Bowl is going on. It's
(07:08):
just it's it's such a big market that if you're
the only thing there and things are rolling and going well, yeah,
like people are gonna get behind it. It's it's no
different than any coastal spot like that, even if you're
down in South Florida, no different than the you. But
when you all of a sudden have a lot of
competition for that, it becomes a lot harder to get
the attention and appreciation like those guys got back then,
(07:32):
back when they didn't have the same competition they have now.
I still wouldn't say it's it's impossible for it to happen,
like magic can happen. Like I just I look at
it like magic can happen. Like, I don't. I think
it's hard to to perceive or or or you know,
kind of comprehend that that Penn State could actually be
(07:53):
a national champion again, like like how they were in
the eighties. I find it to be a tab bit
hard to see you that, But it's possible. It's possible
that it can happen. It's possible that a Reggie Bush
could emerge from San Diego or from somewhere for USC,
it's possible, and Matt Leinard, you know, could emerge at
(08:15):
USC again. It's possible that the team could be good
enough to garner the attention that they did during that time.
It's possible. Is it likely? I don't know, you know,
I don't. I don't know. I'm winning a national hold on,
didn't win in a national championship now versus what those
guys did back then, which which about that point in time,
they were one of the greatest college football teams ever,
(08:36):
like the windstreak, everything else they have going on. But
the differences Again, if if you just had a team
win a Super Bowl and that was the celebration that
they received, explain to me how you think it's gonna
be any bigger for southern cow Well, I think the
possibilities exists in the tradition and in the history of it.
(08:57):
I don't. I think there's a there's such a gap
between when the Rams were here the first time, when
they were Ramits to to where they are now. I
think there's a disconnect. It was long enough where there's
a disconnect. I do not. There is not a disconnect
from culture in Southern California with USC, not at all.
In fact, that's why they still get the top recruits
(09:19):
going there even though they haven't haven't done really too
much with it. I think I think it is possible
USC could win a national title again. They'll never see
the craze or hysteria that they got back at two
thousands with Matt and Reggie. It's never gonna somebody might
have said that before the two thousands happened. At least
there's some really good teams that played for USC, like
being being here and going to you USC games and
(09:42):
that whole vibe. It was just they were the show
in town. They were the rock stars like they were.
It was their town man. Its just it's not like
people said that about Michael Irving and and Alonzo high
Smith and and those guys when they went to Miami
with with Schnellenberger that that you will never have that
ever again. You'll never have the ub that again. They did.
(10:06):
I mean but they did. But they did, they did well.
They had that. They had that period of time and
then that was it like it's difference, but it's not.
But it was they found the magic again. I mean
that whole the whole youth thing with Shocky and all
of those guys during that time they did. So that
was a part of that period though, No, it was
(10:27):
not that, not even close, not even close with with
Michael Irban and and and those guys in the eighties
when they built the reputation away and it was maintained
through the nineties into two thousand, two thousand and one,
and that's where it started to fall by the wayside.
There it stopped. That was the tradition. There's a there
(10:47):
was a disconnect between winning and and having success at Miami.
There was. There was a funny thing is is you're
making the same argument that you should be making about
USC because before Pete Carroll got there and Reggie and
Matten all that there was a big gap in their
success too. So exactly. So they brought it back, but
(11:08):
I'm saying that you hasn't come back like there wasn't
the gap. They had build it up and it was rolling.
And then once the two thousand, once they lost that
national championship game to Ohio State, and that's obviously one
of the more great debated calls and games. They have
never come back from that point. Really, I would debate it.
Debate it because they went on decades. I'm saying, I'm
(11:31):
saying between you're saying that it never fell off to
the point of where they got to those national titles.
They were on probation and they fell off that whole
when when ray Lewis and right they fell off, and
then after that they came back in the nineties that
they came back. It was gone for a moment and
then they came back. There was a gap. But I
(11:53):
don't want to split hairs. Over All I'm saying is
is that to find a correlation between why high football
and why football culture is so big in California and
the development of players is so big and and it's
so bought into, but it doesn't correlate to where we're
what we're looking at with this Los Angeles Rams team.
(12:16):
I find that to be pretty pretty interesting. I don't
that doesn't seem to it doesn't add up. If you
play football to the level that they play football out here,
Why isn't that how it's being perceived or or or
embraced at the pro level. Petros has talked about it
to where you look at all the great young quarterbacks
(12:36):
that have come from southern California, Bryce Young being an example,
Why why did he end up in Tuscaloosa? Why could
they not keep him locally? Like? Why why why are
these guys choosing Brady hit it on the hit I mean,
that's that's not that's not up for debate. What's up
for debate is how can you not like, why haven't
(12:58):
you gotten a guy Maybe they feel like they've done
that now with their higher now at usc But why
haven't you gotten a guy like Pete Carroll that can
rope off these this part of the country and get
kids from San Diego all the way up to northern
parts of California. Why can't you get the type of
guys that are going to yield you the type of
(13:21):
results that you were getting when they were getting those
type of recruits. Those were all local guys pretty much
that they were getting during that that golden age of
of of USC football when they were good back with Conway,
Curtis Conway and Willie McGinnis and all those guys, And say,
how and all that those are all local guys. Now
they all leave. I mean they don't all leave. They
(13:43):
still get really fine recruits. I mean they got killib Williams,
had a bunch of wide receivers. And it's it's to me,
it's the lineman. Like that's the biggest difference. And I
don't care what game we're talking about. Look at the
difference in the game the Super Bowl. It was Aaron
Donald von Miller. It was that defensive front for the
Rams versus the old line of the Bank was that
(14:04):
made the difference. Go back last year to the Super Bowl,
it was that front for the Bucks that made the difference. First,
the Kansas City offensive line. You go back and you
go to any national championship game, go look at that
defensive front for Georgia this year versus the offensive line
of Alabama. Like the difference in winning and losing in
football this day and age, it's everyone wants to make
(14:28):
it about the quarterback and this and that. The reality
is it's still about the big men in the trenches.
That's still what makes football special. And that's one of
the things that again it's not like harping on the
West Coast, but you don't see that quite as much
out on the West Coast. One of it is, it's
not even that they're different, it's the fact that they
(14:49):
promote a seven on seven league. They promote flag leagues.
I started playing tackle football in third grade. You don't
see that as much anymore as revalent if you're talking
about West Coast leagues. People are more hesitant to put
their kids in contact sports that at that young of
an age. Now, I've always argued that it's better to
(15:10):
get in then because you then reinforced the proper technique
and fundamentals at a young age, and so that continues
with you as you get older. Like if you can
teach your kids a sport or a skill when they're young,
with the right fundamentals and techniques, it's only going to
help them reinforce that as they get older. If they
never learn at a younger age, it becomes a lot
(15:31):
more foreign as they get older and more set in
their ways to do different things because seven on seven
and flag football is drastically different as to how you
go about trying to take someone's flag versus take someone
to the ground, and and that's one of the biggest
differences at least see at a grassroots level as far
as what's happening in different parts of the country. It
(15:51):
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Despite what they were saying yesterday at a parade, both
those guys could be gone. We'll get into that next
(16:12):
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and the I Heart Radio. Right now, we turn it
over to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB.
(16:33):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Brier Albert. How we
feeling happy Thursday to you and yours. I'm good, how
you guys doing good? Just hanging out, trying to figure
out if anybody was at this RAMS Championship parade. I
know you made a comment about that. Look we're out here, um,
I mean, you know, not exactly. Uh, you know, the
(16:57):
Lakers in the early two thousands will just it that way,
a little a little different vibe with this one. Yeah,
And you know, I think it's probably a result of
twenty two years there being no NFL team there, and
you know, people have divided loyalties, and I mean it's
called what it is too. I mean, it's a little
different out there. I think that it is in the
Northeast or the Midwest, where the teams are so ingrained,
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you know what I mean. Like, I just I think
it's a different deal. And I had some fun with
it yesterday. But it's not a shot at anybody. It's
just I mean, like again, like those those those that
that market isn't Boston, it's not Philadelphia, it's not Chicago,
it's not Cleveland. It's pretty different out there. I think
you'd agree with that, right, Yeah, But you know, people
get a little sensitive to that out here. So that's
(17:44):
that's the way this works. Um. I wanted to ask
you on the Sean McVeigh Aaron Donald front, um we
were talking about earlier this week. It felt like, Yeah,
maybe Aaron Donald's looking to uh to get get a
better deal Sean McVeigh, Maybe he's got a deal on
the table broadcasting wise, What is your expectation? What are
you hearing about both those guys potential return and retirement
next year? Yeah, I think we'll see. You know, I
(18:06):
think you need a couple of days to kind of
separate from this, and um, you know, they've obviously been
in the euphoria of of everything, of winning a Super Bowl,
of everything that comes along with it. Um, I think
you know, there's probably been a good portion of that
that's been a little hazy for everybody involved in rightfully.
So um, you know, and then I think, you know,
(18:27):
today is the day when players start to filter out. Um,
you know, the parade yesterday, and I know, uh players,
a lot of coaches are leaving town um today, and
so you know, I think this is when you sort
of get into that period of reflection. And then when
it comes to Sean McVeigh. I think the time is
eventually going to come. Maybe it's now, maybe it's not.
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When he takes a year or two off, makes good
money and TV UM get some family time, UM, and
you know, then would wind up coming back at some point.
With it was the ability to be maybe the hottest
coaching candidate in the history of football. UM. And then
with Aaron Donald. I just think it's sort of the
reality where we are with players, you know, like and
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it's a good thing as as I see it, UM,
you know, and the guys like Calvin Johnson and and
and Patrick Wills have been able to make these decisions.
Rob Gronkowski before he came back is in that category
to where, you know, I think it's really three things.
You know. Number one, UM, guys are cognizant of what
football does their bodies and the long term effects can have.
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Number two, UM, guys are making more money, so they've
got more financial flexibility to walk away if they want to.
And in a lot of cases, they're taking better care
of their money, you know. And the number three, I
think you know, guys are looking ahead pass football probably
more commonly than they did thirty or forty years ago.
And so a lot of these guys have an idea
(19:52):
of what they want to do after football. It's less
scary the idea of walking away, you know. So I
think in general, you know, guys have more resources and
more and for aation to make these sorts of decisions.
And so, you know, I think somebody like Aaron Donald,
you know, I think certainly can look at this and
say I've taken care of my money. Um. You know,
he's got family considerations too, same way McVeigh does. And
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you know, I think that there is that that that
that that piece of him that is thought to himself.
What would it be like if I walked away? Um?
You know. And again, like you know, it's not as
wild a decision if if he were to do it,
um as it used to be. You know, Calvin Johnson,
I believe, walked away after nine years. Uh. Patrick Willis
walked away after eight years, and this would be eight
(20:36):
years for Aaron Donald. So you'd be right in line
with those guys. I guess as you look at the
landscape though of the NFC, do you think it's not
enticing enough to go? Hold on a second, if Tom
Brady stays retired and if Aaron Rodgers has to move teams. Uh,
what's our competition, right, I mean Russell Wilson could be
on the move to like you kind of look around
(20:58):
and go, who really is ending in our way from repeating? Like,
wouldn't that be enticing enough? Yeah, I mean I'm with you,
A Brady Dallas San Francisco, right, Like I guess would
be the top ones if you're taking Green Bay out
of the equation. And look if if Aaron Rodgers is back,
then you know obviously they're right back in the mix.
But I'm with you. I mean you look at the
next five years in the NFL and really, um, you know,
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like the if we want to tie this to quarterbacks,
like a lot of it's in the a f C.
You know, Burrow and Cincinnati, Mahomes in Kansas City, Uh,
Milamar in Baltimore, Herbert in in in l A And
of course Josh Allen and Buffalo. I mean, it looks
a lot like a lot of the strength you know
when it comes to young quarterbacks in the league is
and the other conference. So I think it would be
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enticing the idea of coming back and and and and
making one more run at it. And it wouldn't surprise
me either, if you know, a guy like McVeigh or
a guy like Aaron Donald resolves to say, you know, okay,
like I'm gonna give this one more and we'll see
if we can go and repeat, you know, and then
after that, I'm gonna get this a really hard look,
you know. And so for Aaron Donald, and that would
(22:03):
be nine years for Sean McVeigh, you know, like that
would be okay, And I got an opportunity to repeat
as a super Bowl champion and then imagine what you know,
the television setworks would would would be um lining up
to give me after that. So um yeah, I mean
I think that that certainly is a consideration, like your
ability to repeat, And I think you know, you have
(22:24):
to look at where the rams are too, and um,
you know, their ability to bring everybody back, they do
have some tough decisions to make. You know, Stafford is
in line for an extension. Next year is a contract
year for him. Von Miller is a free agent, you know.
Odell Beckham is a free agent too, And you look
at the receiver situation and that's interesting also because now
they do bring Beckham back, then you've you're talking about
(22:45):
having two receivers coming off of a c l s
and Robert Woods and O'Dell Beckham, and so you know,
there are a lot of questions with where the Rams
are going to coming out of this year. Um, you know,
and I mean obviously it was all worth it to
win a championship. I you know, I think you balanced
kind of like some of the challenges that are head
with the head for them with like you said, like
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you know where the NFC is and how it looks
like they may have, you know, a pretty viable path
to another Super Bowl. Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at
the MMQB, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is a two pros and a cup of joe here
on fs are, Um, what is going on with Kyler
Murray and the Arizona Cardinals keeping it in the NFC West? Um,
(23:27):
you know, Chris Mortenson had the report that came out,
you know, where there was a source within the Cardinals
organization that called himselfish and immature, etcetera, etcetera. Kyler Murray
defended himself on social media, like what what is happening
from people you've talked to behind the scenes there with
Kyler and the Arizona Cardinals. You know, it's hard for
me not to tie until like the juncture of his
(23:48):
career he's at UM. And I think that this is
sort of starting to happen the last couple of years,
where you know, when you come into that fourth year
UM as a quarterback who goes who was drafted in
the first round down, a decision point comes because that's
when you're eligible for your first contract. That's when the
team's got to make a decision on your fifth year option.
And you know, I think a player, you know, kind
(24:11):
of find some hard realities in that, and you know,
how willing is a team to extend for me, um,
and how like because these guys all here, how a
team is all in for them when they're draft in
the first round. Well, after three years, you're gonna find
out the truth. You don't see where your team stands
up stands with you, and you know, like whether or
(24:31):
not they're willing to go forward with the contract extension. Um.
You know, like I think that that's a very real question.
And so like the way I look at it, you know,
I I think that the Cardinals are left wanting for
some more from Kyler Murray in certain ways. The talents
all there, there's no question about that. UM. But you know,
I think the questions that that that that have been
(24:54):
raised over the last year or so, are you know,
Kenny Kenny Kenny Canny. Can he be like the guy
in the front of the room, UM? Can he be
a leader? Can he be the guy in the off
season you can count on? And I know it got
the attention to some guys in that building when he
didn't show up to some of the off season program
stuff last year. Now, in his defense, he did plan
(25:14):
passing camps on his own and Arizona and Texas and
and got guys out there to throw with him and
everything else. But I do think there are some questions
about him as a leader and UM, and I think
that they want to see a little bit more from
him in that department. And I think, yeah, that to
the friction, or that that to the contract situation and
(25:36):
whether or not they're willing to extend them, and maybe
what he might have heard from the team if he
and his agent went to the team and asked for
an extension. And I think you can kind of add
those up and see where the friction might be Albert.
I want to talk about another quarterback who it's kind
of interesting to see what's gonna happen to him this offseason.
Carson Wentz with the Colts. Uh, it sounds like they
(25:57):
might be looking to move on from him or to
get getting out from underneath some of the money that
s owed to him as well. I'm just here. I
mean I said this yesterday. I kind of stand by it.
I don't know that it makes sense for like them
to look elsewhere or him to really go elsewhere at
this point. Maybe they feel like they're done with them.
I just I feel like they're making a kind of
rash decision when he wasn't healthy going into this season
(26:18):
and it was his first year with a lot of
the guys he's working with. Yeah, I mean Brady, I
mean for him, I'm not sure, Like if that's if
this didn't work, I don't know what what what will
you know? Like, I mean, he's got Frank Reich there
and you know, like they've got i mean pretty good infrastructure.
You know, he's got Jonathan Taylor behind him and he
(26:40):
he's throwing to Michael Pittman and and t y Ailton
and um, I mean you know, is it is it
what like Tom Brady walked into too on Tampa? Maybe not,
but it's a pretty good situation. And you know, I
know there's real concern over how he faded down the
stretch and and what happened when it mattered most. And
you know, I think the problem the Colts have now
(27:02):
is what they what they saw the last month of
the season correlates like almost perfectly to why Philadelphia wound
up giving up on him. And so I think that's
where your real concern is. It's not just you know
what happened, Um, you know at the end of one
it's the way that ended for him in Philadelphia. And
(27:24):
you know, I think that that's that that's the issue
is like is this just who he is now? The
problem for the Colts is if it's not Carson once,
then what you know, like where are you turning? And
if Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay and I'm not
sure you even want to go to Indianapolis, but you know,
if Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay, um, we'll see
what happens with Russell Wilson. Where are your options? Where's
(27:45):
your upgrade? And you know, if if you if you
are looking for an upgrade, it is going to cost
you because you know, here's a lot of his money
for next year is guaranteed. And so you know, I
think you have to sort of look at this as
a value proposition for the Colts. It's do you give
it another shot with Carson Wentz and see where it's going,
or do you detach from him? Just to detach from him,
(28:07):
it's gonna cost you at least fifteen million dollars. That's
sunk cost. Um. I's gonna cost you at least fifteen
million dollars just to walk away from him. And so
you know, like that means going and getting Jimmy Garoppolo, say,
let's just throw his name out there. Um for million,
I think will be the would be the number coming in.
Now you're talking about spending forty one million dollars to
(28:30):
to turn over your quarterback position, and it's going and
getting Garoppolo over once really worth it. So I think
that's the way you have to look at it. And
I think that's why there's still a decent chance that
Once winds up back in Indianapolis. Even if the Colts,
you know, would would would would like to look at
some sort of upgrade. I don't think it's there for
(28:50):
them in the draft, and if you look at the
veteran market, I mean the top options to Shaun Watson,
who is probably not going to be available to him
because he's in their division in um so, I don't
know where that better option is outside of of going
with Carson Wants when you consider all the different factors
with his contract and what you'd be bringing in. He
is Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB
(29:13):
always kind enough to join us every single week here
on Fox Sports Radio. Get him on Twitter at Albert
Brier and a good follow this time of year, especially
with all the potential quarterback movement and things around the league. Albert,
we appreciate it. Have a good week week. Thanks for
not cussing this week. Two weeks I was gonna say,
I can't be clean. I was gonna get that. Sure,
(29:37):
I see, I see. I operate a lot better at
eight A M versus five A. Yeah, well listen, we'll listen.
I mean we we thought it added a little bit
of an edginess to you, and people were big fans
of it, so you know, we're good with it. You know, Hey, well,
if you guys want me to reverse course, I can
next week on that There he is, Albert. We'll do
it again next week. Good stuff. As always, it is
(30:00):
two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio.
You just couldn't let it go, could you. You had?
He had to bust his balls one last time on
the way. What do you mean it's fun to talk about?
I mean he covered up the F bomb and left
left out the uh you know that the bad word
for poop. Yeah, I mean, look the way the dump works.
If you're going to use one that close together, just
a ll. I don't think he meant to use the
(30:22):
second one. I thought he was concerned with how he
was a naturally arriving at the first one, and then
you know, kind of got too comfortable with the second
one that came out. Listen, Now, we we all make
that mistake from time to time you go to say
something on the air, you slip up something else. Also,
like the the F word, I think is viewed as
a worse word than the S word. Is that correct? Yeah,
(30:45):
So he was like so concerned with the F word
that he could have forgot about what was coming after it. Yeah,
now I hear you. Listen now it happens sometimes, you know,
like you go to say the word clock and the
l turns into a silence. Yeah, we're Great Britain instead
of you know great. I read what was on the
I remember what is that? I mean, I'm not quite sure,
you know, I thought it was on TV. To be
(31:06):
honest with you, also fairly not uh yeah, what to
research out a little better? Um, to be honest with you?
All right, Well, we will have an update on on
live at Jesus pick earlier on the show as he
chose the U s over Great Britain and curling at
(31:27):
the Winner Olympics. Plus, we're gonna have another edition of
the b Q News. All of it is yours next
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I know what you're thinking. Well, football season is over.
There's no way it's football Friday, kiss our ass. It
(32:35):
is a Friday all year, regardless of whether or not
there's an actual game being played. But it's not Friday yet.
But it's not Friday yet. It's not Friday yet. Football Friday.
(32:57):
But it's not Friday. Man, this is oh man, alright,
that might be the best one you've ever done. Might
be the best one. Alright then, oh man, what a man?
(33:23):
What a guy? Bags can we do? This though. Can
we get an update on live bet jesus, how's that going?
I'm trying. Uh so they're trying so he uh he
or she could be she, I'm not Um appeared earlier
and bet on the US over Great Britain. Uh said
(33:47):
it correctly this time in men's curling, and um, I'm
seeing that g b R is leading right now five
to four. But I don't know how much time is left.
I don't know what stages is. And I'll be honestly,
I don't know how scoring and curling works, so we're
kind of flying blind shuffle boarding, Yeah, but I don't know.
(34:09):
I don't know the scoring is the same. I think
it is. Huh. By the way, I'm a phenomenal shuffle
board Are you really? Are you gotta play really good?
I've only seen you shuffle your cards in my front pocket.
That's a lot of the out standing out security for
the Chargers game one time. Yeah. By the way, By
(34:30):
the way, that's a hundred percent got to be my
Halloween costume this year, that charge of security guard. I
just gotta find me at the red trench coat. And
you know, did you Chucky t shuffle? Uh? No, I
didn't the head. That would probably be smart shuffling, a
good shuffle. You are a class act. Foul, straight, straight,
(34:51):
and the TV striping the TV set to the gunner unbelievable. Alright,
time for the news, baby, turn on, let's go to
the newstas. Here's Brady Quinn. Alright, alright, this first one
isn't really a news story. It's kind of interesting though,
coming off of the back of the Super Bowl. Um,
(35:12):
did you know each of the last sixteen quarterbacks to
lose in their Super Bowl debut have never made it
back to the big Oh dang, yikes. That is not
a good stat So we're talking like g Jared Goff,
(35:33):
Matt Ryan, cam Newton, obviously Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Matt Hassleback,
Donovan McNab, and Marino. But you had guys like Rich Gannon,
Steve McNair. What's so yeah? Speaking of Drew Blettes, so
huh do you never think he sits around like, Hey,
I'm as good as Tom Brady was. I just didn't
(35:56):
need to get hurt. We would have won all the
same game. He was a good quarterback, he was really good,
and he's doing all right for himself now. He's got
that winery. And what is it? Double back? Double back?
It's called double back? Is it called double back? It's
called double ball. But we did say that the name
(36:16):
of the one that is called double back. Yeah. Here,
I'll have a bottle right here, right what we got? Well,
we'll move on to an actual news story. This one
is actually kind of crazy, I'll be honest with you.
So an Ohio couple and their daughter, they're selling a
doctor and a healthcare system. And uh, here's what happened.
(36:40):
The couple, Mike and Janine. They underwent insemination, a procedure
back in to fertilize the wife's eggs with the husband sperm. Uh,
only one problem. Come to find out in Christmas of
Jessica and her husband, this is my Janine's daughter. Uh.
(37:01):
They went the ancestry dot com. They got the kiss
the kids right ahead of a trip. You know, they're
they're going to Europe and they want to test their
DNA results right to go through their lineage and travel
to different spots. They came to find out that the
father who had raised her was not her biological father.
They're suing the doctor and the health care system because
(37:24):
obviously there was something messed up when they went through
the process of insemination. I wonder if it was Michael Jordan,
would they still sue? Yeah, well based on the photos, Um,
the father's not Michael Jordan. Now is she getting trying?
Is she gonna try and get a refund for all
the Father's Day gifts she bought? And that's going to
(37:47):
be a large that's going to be a large and
years and wastettled money. They're not going to be able
to pay that settlement? Yeah, how much is that gonna be?
Thinks I don't know the exact amount of the of
the lawsuit. I mean, what price tag do you put
on effing up my dad? Like you gave me the
wrong dad? Bastards? I mean, we'll think about the father though,
(38:09):
like the entire time he's raised her. So I'm so
if I'm dead, it's like I have a couple of lawsuits.
She's got these quirky things about him, But that just
must come from the mom's side. Hey, that comes from someone.
Then I'm looking at the mom like, were you in
on this? Were you in on this? Who's the daddy?
(38:31):
I need to know who's the daddy? You know something?
Are not the father. No, yeah, Jest really didn't have
much on this topic. What's up? I just, you know,
I'm not really sure. I don't trust any of those
spitting the tube and send it in the mail sort of,
you know, arrangements. I just don't trust him. It feels
(38:52):
like it would be a little flawed. Interesting, you know,
like you didn't you do one, Brady, and he like, okay,
my sister did. Apparently we're Italian. We didn't know that. Interesting.
I mean, wow, you're gonna go there, like, I just hey, Pagnan.
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