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March 6, 2026 40 mins

Jason Fitz & Buck Reising talk about the constant Maxx Crosby trade rumors and where he might end up (if anywhere), the upcoming NFL Draft and the importance of drafting well over free agency, Would You Rather? and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Every single day.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Right now, it feels like we get a different angle
and a different opinion and a different story involving whether
or not the Raiders are about to trade Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
And I'm convinced the more we.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Talk about it, Max Crosby has become the Yannis ante
Tecompo of the NFL. It's bucking fits hanging out for
two pros and a cup of Joey's Buck rising. I'm
Jason Fitz. You can usually hang out with us on
Saturday night six to eight pm Eastern. We'll also be
back here on Monday.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Buck.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Most people know at this point if they've consumed me anywhere,
then I'm a lifelong, diehard Raiders fan. And you know,
to be very very clear, I sat there at Super
Bowl Week and I said, on one day, Max isn't
getting traded. Maxis said repeatedly that if he has something
to say, he'll say it, and he hasn't said anything.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
So I think all these rumors are just that, they're
just rumors.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
A day later, Jay Glazer came on my show on
Yahoo Sports and shocked me and the world when he said, yeah,
I'm Max has done. He's never going to play another
stat for the Raiders, he's getting traded. So all of
a sudden, this viral moment, it's one of the more
viral moments for y'allo sports Daley that we've ever had,
blows up and everybody starts saying, but Joos Eddie wouldn't
get you.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Look, I'm not going to.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Pretend to know at this point, I stand by the
logic that I have that I don't think Mark Davis,
who cares immensely about being liked, I don't think Mark
Davis loves the idea of being the owner that traded
away Khalil Mack and Max Crosby as an owner. I
don't think Mark Davis, who loves Max Crosby, likes the
idea of moving on without him. And I think the
Raiders are asking for such an astronomical return because they

(01:28):
don't believe they're gonna get it, and as a result,
the Raiders are going to end up with Max Crosby
still blame for them this year. That being said, everybody
I know now has told me that I'm an idiot
and I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
And I'm willing to admit that that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Like, look, I could see this whole thing wrong I
don't know, but what is interesting is that the reports
don't stop.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Mike Silver came out with The.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Athletic with the report about Max Crosby and why it's
fallen apart a lot of which I think made sense
Buck because he talks about the fact that, my god,
it's just one thing after another with him, right, I
think it's fair to say Max Crosby understandably can be
exhausted with the process of being a Las Vegas Raider right.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Now, Well, so how does that make you feel as
a Raiders fan, Fitzy, because I could understand why you
would take the initial approach that you did, and then
when somebody like Jay Laser informs you of, you know,
the information that he has. And the one of the
many reasons that I respect Jay Glazer and the work

(02:28):
that he does is because he is very, very judicious
in what he puts out there. And it's not just
you know, first to tweet the transaction type of thing,
not knocking guys like Schefter and Rappaport that do that
for a living, but Jay Glazer plays the insider game
in a different way, and I think his reputation reflects
how seriously he takes that dissemination of information when he

(02:51):
has it, because he always has good stuff. And I mean,
when is the last time that Jay Glazer got something
incorrect in these particular situations? So, and I saw the
clip from Y Sports Day, A lot of people did,
as you well know, and he was very It was
almost casual in the way that he was just like, yeah,
he's not going to play. Max Crosby's not going to

(03:12):
play for the Raiders at this point in time. Jay
Glazer doesn't just say something like that casually the way
that you know another talking head like you or me might.
He's got the actual information there to connect the dots
and not just go off an assumption but say no,
this situation is irre irreparable. So, as a Raiders fan,

(03:34):
how do you process something like that? Understanding the hope
that your organization currently has, which is more than you
can say and sometime, I would imagine, or at least
since the last offseason where you thought Geno Smith and
Peek Carroll might actually be able to do something of
consequence there with now the number one overall pick, with
Tom Brady involved heavily in your organization, but your best

(03:56):
player on the roster, no longer being sad to be
a good soldier in this way or not. He's not,
you know, he's not shooting his way out of the
situation per se. But he's you know, he's clearly messaging
to whomever that he's not going to continue to play
this organization. What does that do to you as a fan?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean, I understand it.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Like, so, if you go all the way back to
the year that the draft was in Vegas at the time,
I was with ESPN, and that's where Max and I
met for.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
The first time.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
We got tattoos together, right, and so we got tattoos
for a video sequence that they were We did an
interview as a tattoo, as an excuse to spend four
or five hours just shooting you know what. And so
it's funny because I said to him at the time, so,
this is, you know, NFL Draft in Vegas, what twenty.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Twenty around their twenty twenty one whatever it was. I
said to him at the time. I was like, man, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Been a crazy year because they had relocated and it
was the year that you know that Gruden was fired
and Basasci had taken over all these different things. I
was a crazy year, and he laughed at the time
and said, crazy year. It's been a crazy career every
single year. There's something crazy with this organization that was
years ago. I mean, you think about the fact that
he's had five or six different head coaches, he's had

(05:11):
five different gms. I mean, it's just it's alarming the
number of voices he's heard in a short amount of time.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I wouldn't fault Max for being over it.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I also think that it's hard for me because again
Max has said repeatedly on the record, when I have
something to say, I'll say it. And he has his
own podcast that's very successful. They just reached one hundred
thousand subscribers. He has a show on Sirius XM with
Jim Gray and Tom Brady, right like, so he has
all these opportunities to speak, and ever since all of
this really blew up, his only answer has.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Been, I just don't want to talk about this anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So it's interesting because I think, if I'm being fair here,
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It doesn't surprise me that he's exhausted.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I just think that he could tell the world he's
exhausted and it would get rid of all of this.
But that's just not the way that this is going down.
And this at some point where there's smoke, there's fire.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Jay.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Particularly, you mentioned Jay, and I want to say that
Jay Glazer knows Max incredibly well. That's why it had
weight for me when Jay said it on my show.
If it had been any other insider, if it had
been no disrespect to Adam Schefter, who personally helped change
my life, if it had been Shifty, I'd think, well,
you know, somebody feeding shifty information find.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Jay knows Max incredibly well.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
So for him to say that was the first time
that I stepped back and said, okay, this has meaning
that being said. I mean when I read the Silver report.
For example, one thing that Mike Silver points out in
his report about why you know Max is not content
with the Raiders is, you know the Guerrero stuff. There's
a personal trainer that has worked with Tom Brady forever,
all the way back to the Patriots stays. We heard

(06:45):
all the stories about him being polarizing in that building,
and you know, now he's the eyes and ears of
Tom Brady, according to this report within the Raiders organization,
and according to Silver's report, Max didn't like that. I
read that and thought, oh man, I think a lot
of us were then thought, oh man, that makes sense.
But then I saw Brian Hoyer, the backup quarterback that
played for both the Patriots and the Raiders, quote tweet

(07:07):
that and say, hey, this is surprising to me because
I don't know a single person, a single teammate that
I ever had that didn't want to get the opportunity
to be treated by Guerrero for ten or fifteen minutes,
to the point that they were waiting lists and people
were trying to get in with them, and it was
like everybody I know that, all of my teammates, we
all absolutely loved what he did.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And Brian Hoyer.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Also played for the Raiders, so you think that, you know,
given his relationships there. And then on top of that,
the player report cards that were just leaked the Raiders organization.
The players gave the training staff an A, they gave
ownership and a if they had a problem with Brady
or Guerrero off the record right there.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
They could have dinged both of them. They dinged neither
of them.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
So I don't know what's real and what's just conjecture
from people that are coming out here trying to figure
out a way to get Max on any other team
because his career is being wasted on the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Mike Silver is very well sourced, So I have no
doubt in my mind that somebody, and I'm certain multiple
people in that organization who maybe aren't players. And again
we're now I'm now I'm source guessing, which I really
don't like to do because I think that's a bit
of a flawed exercise. But still, somebody doesn't think that

(08:24):
Alex Guerrero is a good actor in that building right now,
whether that's the players who are receiving treatment from Remember
the line in the Silver reporting that said, you know
there that Alex Guerrero would essentially, in not so many words,
threaten people's jobs if they did not listen to what

(08:45):
Alex Guerrero had to say and his level of influence
in that building and what he purported it to be
was the line. So I'm sure that does rub some
people the wrong way, just as it rubbed some people
at the Patriots organization on the coaching staff. Famously, Bill
Belichick kicked Alex Guerrero off the sideline. Right, if you
are one of these coaches or somebody in that world

(09:07):
that wants more control over the situation understandably, so some
may be right and may be wrong in that then yeah,
you probably don't love the idea of Tom Brady's guy
when Tom's not It doesn't sound like Tom's around a
whole lot, right, He lives in Florida, He's busy with Fox.
So Guerrero kind of feels like Tom Brady's ambassador to

(09:28):
the organization in his in his his you know, he's
there to represent Brady's interests in the building. Because Guerrero
sounds like he's around a hell of a lot more
than Brady is on a day to day basis, I'm
sure that also rubs some kind of person the wrong way.
This is the and I understand the need for anonymous

(09:48):
sources and reporting, but this is the kind of thing
that you run into. What is the level of these
anonymous sources that are speaking to to Mike Silver under
the condition of and and because they want their jobs
to be protected, And what is the actual impact of this.
I'm not saying that Mike Silver would would run a
hit piece or anything like that. And in fact, if

(10:10):
I'm not mistaken, isn't he a Raiders fan?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
No? No, no, no, no, He's not a Raiders fan.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
He's covered a lot, written a lot about the Raiders,
but not a Raider at least not to my knowledge.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't know Mike on a personal level. We've chatted
here there, but not in a person I.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
For some reason I thought he was a Raiders fan.
Either way, I know that Mike would do this story
the right way, which again begs the question, all right,
who benefits from having this story out there? Right, the
age old question when you find new information or when
new information is being reported on, all right, who stands
to gain from this being out there? Who is trying
to paint Alex Guerrero in an unfavorable light? And maybe

(10:49):
Guerrero has done some of it himself and that's earned,
but it doesn't align with what you're pointing out about
players who have both worked with Guerrero presently and in
the past to appreciate and respect his work. And also
what the NFLPA report cards that were not supposed to

(11:10):
be made public, but then we're immediately made public since
the NFL tried to the NFL ownership tried to put
the kaibas on them that the Raiders received an a
in that I didn't realize that that's a very interesting
detail to kind of throw into the mix on this
and be like, all right, where where is the disconnect?
Where's the disconnect happening here?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, Hoyer's tweet and I think it's I'm going to
read it because it's very thorough, he says, interesting, because
I've never experienced anyone who didn't walk away from that
treatment that didn't feel better and have improvement. Matter of fact,
I had to waited times for my treatment session, as
Alex would try and squeeze in many players and even
coaches who would want to get just ten to fifteen

(11:48):
minutes of treatment from him, both in New England and
in Las Vegas. Speaking from my personal experience, I was
able to play three seasons after torn lateral meniscus a
week before the season in twenty one that I was
told to required surgery and also severe planner fescitas in
twenty three with his treatment principles, very specific response to

(12:08):
anonymous sourcing. So I think all of this speaks to
a greater question, which is why is everybody so desperate
to have Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Somewhere else?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
There's an answer to that that I think we need
coming into next week.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And we'll tell you about it coming up.

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Speaker 2 (13:07):
The number of times I walk around my kitchen singing
this song about every menial task to my dogs, but
then I got high, that's just it's all the time.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's bucket fits, He's buck rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
This is completely on brand, Like they just need to
actually play this every time I walk into a room.
My friends at this point will even text me in
the middle of They're like, hey, man, we're all meeting
up unless you're too high. Like I get it, I
acknowledge it, like this is my one vice left. I've
gotten the point where I don't I don't drink anymore.
I don't eat outside of a very clean diet ninety

(13:47):
five percent of the time, including when I'm wildly high.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
But I just, you know, edibles.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Are a part of life, buck, I just I feel
my soul feels happy hearing this.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
No I fault you, none whatsoever. I used to do
an afternoon hit with our afternoon show here locally in Nashville,
and this was the song that they would intro me
with because several times I would also have gotten, you know,
into the edibles after my show wraps up at one
pm Central Time. And maybe you forget that you have

(14:18):
an afternoon show hit from time to time. You make it.
You make it work. Okay. It's a little bit of
brain fog, A different kind of brain fog, self inflicted
brain fog.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
God, it just makes me I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Seven in the morning too early.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
No, No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Because I'm tempted. I don't have to go on the
air until ten in Nashville. I got time.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's Friday. He ain't got no job. You got no
it's Friday.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
But when I finished, when I finished my Yahoo show,
it'll be eleven am Eastern. I figured by eleven ten,
like today, today's my day off. I don't have to
do any any gym stuff today. So by eleven ten,
you know I have edibles in me, and then I'll
get ready to go see The Bride. I think I'm
gonna double feature tonight and see Bride, which is about
the bride of Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Looks amazing, and see.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Dolly, which it looks like a straight up Texas chainsaw
massacre like movie from the seventies. I saw a preview
four it the other day when I went to see
Scream seven. I'm in so I think I'm gonna double
dip movies today. Buck never goes to the movies. I
have the amc A list so I can go to
as many movies as possible. I'm gonna double dip Bride
and then go straight over to Dolly, which means, you know,

(15:31):
I gotta be I gotta be rocked and rare and
to go from the minute I sit down in that
first one, because I can't you know, I can't hit
the pen while I'm in the movie theater.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm I'm ever polite.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Well, I also hope that you're not rocked as you
described it, because that has a different kind of connotation
and that would lead to an arrest in the movie theater.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Wear different Okay, I didn't mean it that that that yeah,
we're not doing Okay, yeah we're not We're not going
full pee wee Herman here. I'm just seeing a whole movies.
I'm just seeing horror movies. That's a good lord, Well.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
It wasn't that. You're playing last night too? And then
what happened? What happened? Ahead, go ahead, tell America.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I got too high to the movies. I'm gonna admit it.
I got too high to go to the movies. Look,
I call that self aware. I call that self aware
that I look around. I'm like, you know what, I
probably shouldn't get to the theater that way.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And by the way, I uber back and forth to
the movie theater because I am ever the responsible human being.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, I'm probably gonna have, you know, two or
three edibles at this point, So you know, we'll just
see where it goes. We'll see where Seeing Dolly is
going to be again the straight up seventies Texas Changsaw
Massacre Field to this.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
One Nightmare to take a take any level of THC
consumption and then go watch back to back horror movies.
I'm not a scary movie guy though.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Well you know, and they have the the coke whatever
they call those machines where you can pick and choose
whatever you want from the coke machine.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
So yeah, I'm gonna like I'm the type two.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I go to the movie so much like I'll get
up in the middle of a movie if I want
to just go get more, like I'll change my soda
out completely, go to like the diet root beer with
a little extra vanilla in it, you know, like that
it's it's I mean, look, these are horror movies. It's
not like I'm missing a huge moment of the plot.
And come back a couple I can take a tinkle break,
I can get some more diet soda, and I can
go back in. This is the Life of Luxury. I

(17:22):
live on Friday nights in Connecticut. I don't know how
I feel about this.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, if you can't leave your home. As you've described,
It's seventy six and Sunday here, I may go to
the pool today.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I still have snow. I still have snow. Gotta
hate you. I also hate the trade rumors that continually persist.
I've decided that Max Crosby is the honist Ontotoopo of
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Every year we exhaust.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
No, you can't, Janis is a gas lighting sob.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
No, I'm not saying that as a person. I'm talking
about the trade room. The trade roomor it's like every
year it's well, they're gonna trade Youngis, They're gonna trade honest.
And the funny thing is this summer, I think they're
actually finally gonna trade be honest.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
And when they do, everybody's gonna say, SEO told you so.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
After Like my first week in radio professionally nationally with
the ESPN at the time was in twenty eighteen, and
in my first week we were doing where is Giannis
gonna be traded?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Talk?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And now here we sit in twenty twenty six and
we're still doing that. I feel like that's what's happened
for Max, Like I get it.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
This might be the.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Offseason, I'm wrong and he gets traded. Okay, fine, if
he gets traded, win win for everybody. I hope he
goes somewhere where he wins a lot of football games.
It's just exhausting listening every year to bad trade proposals.
So who says no, Well, the Raiders over and over
and over again for bad trade proposals. Like and even
if you think, oh, a team picking at the bottom

(18:44):
of the first round is gonna give up to first
and a player for him, Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
In this year's draft, what are you getting for Max Crosby?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Then what you're really getting for Max Crosby is probably
a developmental offensive or defensive lineman from the bottom of
the first round, whatever next year's draft might bring you,
and some random play that's not going to equal Max Crosby.
So like, it's just I understand at some point where
there's smoke, there's Firebuck, but it's exhausting the way certain
guys just get caught in the trade blender and that's

(19:10):
all we talk about for three, four or five years
in a row. It's just I'm tired of listening. Like,
I'd rather have Max get traded than spend the next
two years continuing to debate where Max is gonna get traded.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, I think that's I think that's fair, and I'm
sure he would prefer that at this point, like it's
exhausting for he and you know, I don't know what
I don't know what Max's family situation is, but like
if he has any close relatives or because it's not
just like if if you're the you as the individual,
because you know, I've talked to players about this in
some form or fashion. Hell, I went through it with
Jeff Simmons a couple of years ago. Where you, as

(19:43):
a player, you can delete social media and remove yourself
from this stuff. You can you know, you can decide
that you're not going to consume sports talk television in
the way that Steven A. Smith thinks all of the
world consumes first take, which you know, it's it's I
appreciate the I appreciate the delusion in that, but it's

(20:04):
about the people who will send you that stuff, right
who you know, your mom or your cousin or your
aunt or your uncle or something like that. They see
something floating around on the Internet and they text you
all of a sudden, be like, Max, have you seen this.
Have you seen this trade discussion that's going on? Do
you think you're going to be moved? Is this real? This?
That and the other? Like, it's not just you having

(20:24):
to avoid it personally, it's the people in your life
who are affected and impacted by this as well, understandably
so reaching out to you, being like, what's going on?
Is this? That and the other? Like it's an exhausting
cycle that social media puts guys like Max Crosby in
these specific situations, but this one has I mean, it's

(20:51):
I see both sides, Fitzy, because it is a legitimate
conversation to be had about a franchise that would you
say that Max Crosby has been wasted in the Las.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Vegas Wasted is a tough way to put it, but yes,
I understand. I understand where that logic comes from.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I think, I think because like I.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Would argue that Jeff Simmons is being wasted in Tennessee,
and Jeff at every turn continues to say, no, I
want to be here.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
But what do you do?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Like this is the positional value conversation and what do
you do? Like I keep going back to something I
witnessed a few years ago. I saw a year where
Max Crosby led the NFL in sacks, Josh Jacobs led
the NFL in rushing, and DeVante Adams had a thousand
yards receiving and the Raiders won six games, Yeah, six games,
with all three of those things happening in one year.

(21:38):
And it's just such a reminder that, like this is,
I don't know where the line is. When your team sucks,
you need good players, But when your team sucks and
you have good players, most of the time, you're wasting
those good players.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
It comes back to what you.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Talked about earlier, when you talked about the system and
everything that has to be right around players, like you
need good players to win.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
You cover the Titans. I'm a Raiders fan.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I heard all the Ashton gent stuff last year and
the Brock Powers stuff the year before that. There were
people that were telling me Brock Bawers was a bad
draft choice because tight ends don't win you football games,
and the Raiders didn't need a tight end. And I'm
sitting there saying, you know what, the Raiders need better
players all.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Over the stinking thing.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So like, yes, the Titans this year have been rumored
to be interested in Jeremiah Love, and people will immediately say, oh,
you can't draft a running back at fourth overall, to
which I say, you're right, probably. But also, if you're
a terrible football team, you just need good football players.
And the concept of will pick up a running back
and the second, third, or fourth round instead presumes that

(22:34):
your front office is gonna be good enough to identify
a running back and the fourth round. Like, you know
what I want my favorite team to do. I want
them to get great players, especially in the first round
of the draft. Don't get cute. Just go get the
best player on your damn board and figure it out.
Because you stink because you don't draft well, and you
don't draft well.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Because you get cute with the draft. So like, is
Max wasted? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I think Max has the opportunity to have a Hall
of Fame career. Has that resulted in wins?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Miles Garrett is going to be a Hall of player,
has it resulted in wins?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
No? I think at some point this is why I
just viewed.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Team success and personal success as such different categories.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
One does not equal the other. So often No.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
In the NFL, for sure, not it's the ultimate team sport,
and you can be Miles Garrett and not do any
winning of consequence in your entire career, And there does
not look like there's much change on the horizon for
the Cleveland Browns. The Jeremiah Love like version of that discussion,
you know, adjacent to Ashton gent last year. It's one

(23:36):
of those things where I think one people get caught
up in the position more than they do the actual player. Now,
there is some level of conversation we had about, all right,
is Jeremiah Love a better prospect at the running back
position than Ashton Genty was? It seems like most people
who study this stuff year round so think that that
is indeed the case. We had Dane Burglar on the

(23:57):
local show when I was up at them all last week,
and Dane said that he had a grade on Love
similar to the grade that he had on Bijon Robinson
as a prospect at the time. Do you Takejon Robin?
Do the Falcons regret taking Bijon Robinson? He was a
top six pick? I want to say, do the it's

(24:18):
it's you know, it's a different version of do the
Giants regret taking Saquon Barkley? Second? Overall, it didn't work
in New York. But it doesn't mean that Saquan's a
bad player. You put him in You put him in
a better situation in Philadelphia. Look what he's able to
do in a season where he has as healthy a season,
the top point one percent healthy season that Saquon Barkley's

(24:40):
ever had. He's a game changing player like Tennessee and
Jeremiah Love, for example, because for the audience's reference, he
top thirty or the football people don't like it when
you call him top thirty visits. So thirty visits where
you have an allotted amount of in person visits that
prospects can make to your facility to meet with your
team prior to the draft. Top indicates that there's some

(25:03):
kind of ranking in the football people would like for
you to not put it that way. So a thirty
visit Jeremiah loves here in Nashville, or at least he
was here in Nashville yesterday, and that was the first
thirty visit the Titans made last year. The first thirty
visit that the Titans made was Cambore. They ended up
drafting him number one overall. Is your roster? Were the
Raiders in a position to take Ashton Gente last year,

(25:25):
likely not given the state of their offensive line. Now,
I don't know, FITZI I'd defer to you on this
as somebody who understands the Raiders at a much more
granular level than I do. Was the offensive line situation
expected to be anywhere close to as bad as what
it ended up being in twenty twenty five?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
No, it was not.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, my counter book to the concept that you know,
don't take a running back because you should have taken
an offensive lineman. How many games is that offensive lineman
going to win?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
How many?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Like if the argument and this what we do top
the draft top to Okay, this year's draft, I think
we all agree right now, it looks like edge rusher
is the premium position in this year's draft for many
people at the top. Right, Okay, So I just pulled
up from last offseason. Coming into last season. This was
the NFL scouting. The executives in the NFL were polled

(26:19):
on the best edge rushers in the NFL. Miles Garrett,
how many games did they win last year?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Watt and the Pittsburgh Steelers? How many games did they win?
Micah Parsons who ended up with the Packers. How'd that
work out? I know it got hurt, but still Max
Crosby listed fourth.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
How many games did they win? Right?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Nick Posa listed fifth for San Francisco. How many games
did they win? Trey Hendrickson listed sixth for Cincinnati. How
many games did they win? Aiden Hutchinson listed seventh for
the Detroit Lions. How many games did they win? Will
Anderson Junior for the Houston Texans? Did they go to
the Super Bowl? I had to get all the way
down to Will Anderson of the Houston Texans in the
ranking of coming into last season of the best edge

(26:57):
rushers to find one.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
That made the playoffs one, Well, San Francisco did, and
they did win a bunch of games, but remember he
got hurt so early on that, like Roberson, work with
a bunch of dudes, right, like it as it almost
supports your argument even more, being like, well, yeah, they
just figured it out without one of their best players,
and San Francisco did that all year long. But your

(27:19):
points stands.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean, that's why I keep looking at it saying
everybody talks about, oh, what do you do with Max?
Because they want to see Max go somewhere where he
wins football games. Guess what, turn the page. Edge rushers
don't win football games. Like we know, it's the second
most important position in football. Edge rushers by themselves don't
win football games across the board. So if your argument

(27:41):
in the draft is, well, we certainly can't take a
running back because we're not going to be in the
right position to pay them.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
We need to take the edge rusher instead.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Now, I mean, I'm looking at edge rushers that were
drafted high, that performed high, they get.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Paid high, and none of them are winning football games.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
This is why it's just interesting to me that we
pick and choose this weird conversation every year about what
has value and what doesn't have value. Max Max Crosby
is one of the best players in the NFL, point
blank period.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
That's it, right. How many games of the Raiders one
because of it?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So if Max goes somewhere else, and what we say
all the time for running back Buck is that you
need to be the right team in the right position
to take advantage of having that running back. I would
argue that's the case for every single position in football.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
You need to have the right place the right team.
Everything needs to be really right on that level of
bla bla blah, Like you've.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Got to have a really really really good roster that
also has some really really really good stars. If you
don't have both, you ain't gonna win football games. So like,
go out and get yourself. Good players make life simple.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
No, it's it's and that to me is the theme
of this draft is just take good football players. Like yeah,
because to your your initial or one of your initial
statements fits you about edge being the premier position, I
would argue it's off ball linebacker with rvel Reees projected
as an off ball linebacker in Sonny styles, because every
one of these pass rushers, these edge guys, you can

(29:11):
nitpick here. Right with David Bailey, it's he's a bit stiff.
You don't know if he's you don't know if he
and obviously we won't know what these guys are until
they play in the NFL. But he doesn't necessarily project
as a three down player, right, he doesn't do well
against the run. Ruben Baying is excellent, as he's as
good as a pass rusher as he is a run stopper.

(29:32):
But we understand that his I have to figure out
a different way to describe his arm length other than
a physical deficiency. But that is what an NFL team,
It's a physical exception. He has a physical exception where
he will be. If he succeeds, he will be the
exception to the rule. And in the NFL, do you
make money gambling on physical exceptions? Likely not in almost

(29:55):
every other situation. It's why there hasn't been a player
at an All Pro or even a Pro Bowl caliber
at the at the edge spot that's been taken in
the first round with sub thirty one inch arms since
they started tracking arm length as data. Right the last
the closest comparison is Terrell Suggs, and Suggs is a

(30:16):
much different kind of a player than Ruben Bain will
likely be at the NFL level. So it just comes
down to are you going to get And I don't think,
I really don't think most personnel evaluators get caught up
in this, at least not ones when you talk to them.
Maybe in a moment they get caught up in the
positional value stuff. Maybe when the when the clock starts

(30:39):
ticking on their pick in the draft, maybe they default to, oh,
we can't take a running back here. We can't trade
up for an off ball linebacker or whatever the case
may be. If you are a roster like the Raiders
or the Titans or any of these bottom feeder teams
that's just trying to improve. You cannot do anything unless
one you have the best possible team. Two you get

(30:59):
in credit lucky as far as the health goes. And
then there are still some other mitigating factors that can
impact your success or you'll failure or your failure. There
is as much luck in this as there is skill,
because the draft is such an inexact science in any sport,
but more so in football, when it is so very

(31:19):
difficult for any one individual player, even at the most
important position in sports, even at the quarterback position, to
really change your outcomes week after week after week. Right,
your pass rusher may help you win a game, recover
a force fumble, stripsack at quarterback, give your offense a
short field for you to be able to capitalize in

(31:40):
that defensive end in that specific game, may give you
the play that you needed to put you over the top.
Whereas the next week, maybe he hits a wall as
far as who he's facing on the offensive line, and
your quarterback has to come through in that particular moment,
or your running game has to come through in that
particular moment, or any one piece or part or your
defensive back gets a timely interception that you can't I mean,

(32:01):
you can't recreate interceptions turnovers year over year.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Because that's not how football works.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Right, Like, it's just it. We get so we get
so stuck in a lot of these positional value conversations
when at the end of the day, the conversation is
still about do you have a better football team than
the other guys, Because you're gonna need Sam Donald to
go nuts in the NFC Championship game to get you
to the super Bowl. But then you're gonna need to

(32:27):
lean on that running game and that defense to win
you the Super Bowl. And Sam Donald can be more
of a passenger princess in that particular situation because that's
all you need from him in that particular day.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, I again, you're right about off ball linebacker.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I don't know why yell you by the way, I
love her.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
So I love this passion I pulled up. From July
fifteen to twenty twenty five, Jeremy Fowler, same thing. They
talked to league executives, coaches, and scouts to rank the
top at every position, including off ball linebacker. So I
pulled the list going into last season of the highest
ranked off ball linebackers according to the league. As we
came into the season, Fred Warner, who only played six

(33:03):
games for a San Francisco team that he wasn't able
to really contribute to, was number one. After that, Rokwan
Smith of the Baltimore Ravens. We all saw a Baltimore
season ended, Zach Bond of the Philadelphia Eagles stunningly, we
all saw how Philadelphia's season ended up going Nick Bolton
of the Kansas City Chiefs, who we stunningly saw how
that season went. Frankie Luvu of the Washington Commanders, who

(33:24):
absolutely fell apart. Tremaine Edwards walked into the season as
the number six off ball linebacker. My guy just got cut.
So I just again all of the I'm saying all
of this. Levante David in at seven for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. I'm saying all of this to say the
true answer is that no one player at any one
position equals playoff success. And that's just That's a hard message,

(33:47):
because what it really tells you is that if your
team sucks, you need to get a bunch of things right.
You need to get free agency right, you need to
get the first four rounds of the NFL Draft right,
and not just once, not.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Just twice, but three or four times in a row.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
If you don't have a better front office, if you
don't have a better GM, if your guy can't out,
Howie Roseman, Howie Roseman, your team is absolutely screwed.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
We got more to breakdown on that. We're up against it.
We more to break down on that.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
We'll be back by the way Saturday so we can
continue this conversation. But coming up next, the single greatest
game show in the history of sports talk radio. Would
you rather coming up next? Bucking Fits Filling In for
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
All right, let's put a bow on this bad boy
for a Friday morning Bucking Fits Filling In for Two
Pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
We appreciate you guys and the fellas letting us have
their space for a couple of hours on this Friday morning.
Hopefully we helped you guys get a little little bit

(34:58):
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(35:22):
make a run to Yahoo Sports Daily. He's got some
production stuff he's got to get on top of before
that show starts for him, which is his day job.
Unfortunately for you, you got to wrap things up with
me on this Friday morning with a little bit of
would you rather? Because I got a little time to
kill before we get to my show later on this

(35:43):
afternoon in Nashville. Were ready to spin the wheel? We
ready for would you rather?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's easy, guys, don't think too hard on would you rather? Bucket,
touch or fix it?

Speaker 6 (36:00):
We're gonna start off with a We do a lot
of silly ones in in this segment, but I'm gonna
start off with just a basic one one that I'm
curious about. Uh, would you rather have a window seat
or an aisle seat?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh? I am always going to say a window seat
in this particular situation because I am not somebody. No
matter how long the flight is, unless it's international, I'm
always gonna make it through the flight without needing to
get up and go to the bathroom. Like, I don't
want to have to be bothered by people who need

(36:34):
to go to the restroom if I'm sitting in the aisle. Also,
it's compounded for me and I'm you know, I'm not
the tallest person in the world. I'm six too, but
I'm big enough in an airplane seat where I get
bumped by the snack and drink cart every time it
comes by. Where you know, if you're a little wider
in the hips, maybe you're knocking into me as you're
walking by. Maybe your luggage drives me crazy. I want

(36:55):
to be I want to have I want to have
the security of the window seat so that nobody can
bother me and I can just stay there and ride
out the flight. But that's me personally. I don't know
how you guys feel.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
All right.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
You had a really good point. And I don't know
if I would rather be like walked over because people
have to go past you if you're in the aisle sea.
But I like the idea of like a quick escape.
I hate being like locked in. I feel a little
chaustrophobic if I have the window.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Mine's the same answer to you, but for different reasons.
I like the little like the little alcove that I
have that I can stuff a sweatshirt in there and
sleep inside the window.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, let me let me, let me get to my corner,
let me hivernight, let me get through the flight. Nobody
talk to me, nobody bothered me. I got my eyemask on,
I got my ear plugs in. It's beautiful, all right.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Uh Now, now we'll start with a wacky one here.
Would you rather have cereal with water or orange juice?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Oh? God, this makes me think of Friday. I think
this is the second Friday reference we've had on the
show today. Oh does it just cereal in a vacuum?
Like if if I can do if I can pick
what kind of cereal that I can put with orange juice,
I feel like I could probably maybe like fruit loops

(38:11):
or something like that. Is that too much fruity uh
sensation going on in my cereal water? Just that that
sounds so unappealing. It's like it's like the people that
make hot chocolate with water, Like you know that's not good.
Just put some milk in it.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
All right? All right, let's see here? Would you okay?
Would you rather?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Know it's good? If you're already laughing on the front,
what do you go?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
No?

Speaker 6 (38:43):
I know I had to. I had to skip that one.
I'm gonna do another. I'm gonna do another food. I'm
gonna do another food one here.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Now I'm worried.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
Would you would you rather ketch up on ice cream
or chocolate syrup on pizza?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
H God, it sounds like Fitzy got high and came
up with a bunch of would you rather for this
ketchup on ice cream or chocolate syrup on pizza? Ye? See,
I'm thirty two years old and I just recently developed
the taste for ketchup. But I feel like there's no
faster way to ruin that for me than putting it

(39:19):
on ice cream. I think that I can get by
with chocolate syrup on pizza. It depends on what kind
of pizza what we're talking about. Like, I'm not a
I'm not opposed to the pineapple and hand pizza. I
like the Hawaiian pizza. I can do a little sweet
with my savory, so I'm more likely to go chocolate syrup.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
That's the pizza that you would have to choose for
that as well. Yes, all right, let's do a sports
one here. Would you rather play a full game with
shoes two sizes too small or two sizes too big?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I feel like there's a higher percentage chance of injury
in shoes that are two sizes too big, right, Like?
If you not, just because the back of the back
of your Like I don't know what is the back
of your heel that starts to chafe and rub rawl. Oh,
the blisters are the worst, the absolute worst. No, I'm

(40:12):
already gonna have a hard enough time in any athletic competition.
But that's why I talk about sports for a living
and not play them. We appreciate you guys. Stick around
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