May 9, 2024 • 38 mins
Nikola Jokic wins his 3rd MVP. The term, “coin flip” gets taken too literally. NFL Reporter, Albert Breer joins the guys for his weekly visit. Plus, “You In or Out…?
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buying should be. So congratulations or in order for Nikola
Jokic who won his third MVP. Yeah, big time. We'll
claim bam so I'm talking about He also seemed like
he didn't really care. He's just kind of like whatever, Yeah,
(01:18):
that's cool.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Look, there's some people too took issue with it.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean, of all the times for Shack, just
letting him know, like just so you know, I thought, uh,
Shay Gilgers Alexander should have been the m v P
while celebrating the fact that Jokic won his m VP.
It's like, all right, well, you know, probably a better
time to do that. But nonetheless, yeah, people not well.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And the other narrative that I saw out there was
we need to change the timing of when we give
away this award, because once you get into playoffs and
you see that an m v P who's now down
what O two and they're you know, not playing as
well as he was in the previous series, really for
the entirety of the season, it loses its luster.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You hear that narrative that we need to change the
time of when we give away a regular season award.
There might be some truth of that. I mean, people
talk about that sometimes in regards to the NFL and
the MVP. People tend to forget that it is a
regular season award. All these MVPs are all regular season
awards because it's the entire field of play, so you're
awarding that person for the regular season. It's no different
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than the Heisman, right, we give away the Heisman. There's
now the college football playoff. It used to be before
the national championship, and then that things don't go on
the national championship. They're like, well, why should this guy be,
you know, getting the Heisman trophy then, But the reality
is it's never been about the postseason. It's always singularly
bit about the individual player over the course of a season,
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the regular season. So I never really get the outrage
or people who get frustrated by this. I realized the
Nuggets are struggling versus the te Wolves and look, rightfully
so like maybe this is actually a springboard because of
how Anthony Edwards is playing in this you know, specific
series and really just how he's been all year for
him to be the MVP or one of the favorites
next year, you know, if the t Wolves continue on
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and maybe they win an NBA Finals, so maybe it
ends up being his opportunity to then finally, you know,
dethrone Jokic, who's he's been arguably the best player in
the league of the last four years. Really, I mean
he's one of three of the last four. You could
have given it four of the last four.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I would say Anthony Edwards probably the most fun player
in the league right now. Maybe not the most valuable.
You give it to the Jokich if you want, But
as far as just entertainment wise, hard to be. What
ant Man's doing with the Minnesota Timberwolves, my Timberwolves is exciting. Yeah,
I mean, he's Anthony Edwards is exciting. But you know, Jokic,
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I mean, he's he's been consistent, He's his team has
has been consistent. When you have success, people are rewarded.
You know, there's there's there's spoils of of having success,
and he's you know, he's he's a part of that.
I mean, there's only been what there's there's it's a
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very very short list of people who have gotten you know,
the the m v P rating, the ranking, the award
three times or more. And I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's it's a pretty pretty phenomenal, pretty phenomenal accomplishment. So
listen whether whether someone likes it or doesn't like it,
it really it really doesn't matter. When you get into
the names like Kareem Abdul Jabbar who had six, Michael
Jordan who had five, Lebron James and Bill Russell four.
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Then you get into the threes, Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain,
Magic Johnson, and Moses Malone. Nicola had as the opportunity
to get to where Lebron James and Bill Russell is
and could possibly get to where MJ is. I don't
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know that he can get six. I don't see six happening,
but if it were, I mean you're talking about you're
talking about a big, and this should be stated, You're
talking about a big being able to get that type
of award in a very very very different NBA than
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what all of these players, except for Lebron James have
played in. Yeah, you know, it was a big driven league.
That's why you have a Kareem Abdul Jabbar at six,
a Bill Russell in there, a Wilt Chamberlain in there,
even a Magic Moses Malone. Those are all bigs. You know,
this is a shooting man's game and it's just not
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made for biggs to be dominant in this type of league.
And yet these bigs have adapted, they've adjusted. You see
the Joel embiids, you see the Yannises. You see the
Kevin Durance. Now you got yim yim bin Yama being
Bimbi wemby wm bey wm Biamo. Okay, we got those,
(06:26):
We got lady and those guys. You know it's go See.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Mad Dog was trying to say Brazilian jiu jitsu the
other day. He was talking about the Tom Brady roast.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
He's like, what is that? How do you how do
you say it?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He and just like spitting out jitsu. That's all I
think you can get out.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Just call him win Puppet, Yama want Lear.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
By the way, on the on the list of nicknames,
how do we feel about Joker? How do we feel
about Big Honey, the Cookie Monster Yoki? Yeah, how about
the Big Tipper?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The Joker is the best.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It just feels like it's kind of key monster seems
rather funny.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
But well, I mean I might I might interpret some
of those differently though than.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You know, before we go there. So he's won three,
he's twenty nine years old. Like when you start talking
about the direction of this league, where it's at, how
he's able to operate as a big to your point
in a league where it spaces things out. I mean
his game is perfectly suited for right now and even
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an era where there was maybe more competition with bigs,
which I think that's what you're starting to see though,
like in this specific series. I mean, go Bert did't
even play the last game and they still had an
unbelievable defensive effort against him. But I think that makes
the case for him in two ways. One, if you
take Jokic off that team, I don't know how competitive
Denver is. I don't mean that to sound like a
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diss to you Knowmal Murray or Michael Porter Junior or
anyone else. He is the lynchpin though, of that team,
and you can see when you take him away, there's
no one else that really can support to the degree
that he's able to as a score as a facilitator
within that offense. When he is averaging a triple double
for the entirety of the season, like that's just how
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meaningful he is to the Denver Nuggets. So I don't
know how people question his value, especially for the number
two seed team in the West, and really what he's
been able to do in a league where you know
his game adapts well to whatever it needs to be.
I mean he's a good enough three point shooter, be
able to shoot from the outside. I think he's like
thirty five percent for his career or something like that.
(08:41):
But it's everything else. It's how he distributes, It's how
he you know, rebounds, you know, it's how he's able
to find ways of scoring. But it's it's he's fun
to watch, Like I enjoy watching his style play. It's
not as fun maybe as Anthony Edwards, but it's like
a different style that's just kind of like easy to watch.
How he kind of does a little bit of everything.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Just never leaves his feet, you know, everything's just on
the ground, like he just did no reason that it
probably doesn't get you know, four inches off the ground
and just throws up you know, twenty five, fifteen and
ten a game. So good for him. Third MVP didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Get it last year.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Uh yeah, what was the voting though?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Close, Yeah, because it was a big controversy they were
trying to stir it up. But nonetheless, you know, defending
NBA close.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I take that back, and Bid got seventy three of
the first place votes. Jokic only fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, but I didn't he win it? Two times in
a row before before last year. Yeah, correct, Yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I do know this that maybe the voting wasn't a
coin flip, but maybe that's because the voting wasn't in
Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Maybe it was because it wasn't connected to a draft pick.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, and you know, we do have some clarification and
a response to something that came out because it was
on a podcast recently that Lions first round draft pick
Terry and Arnold, who was on the next Round, spoke
about who he potentially could have ended up with, and
(10:16):
apparently that team was none other than the Raiders. And
let's take a listen to Terry and Arnold's claim as
to how it was brock Bauers and not him that
ended up in Las Vegas.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
They knew that the Raiders that they took me, and
actually the Raiders coach they called me after the drift
they were like, you know, we actually had a coin
toss between you and brought Bowers and man it on him.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
And then after the Raiders passed they said, okay, we
got to get up there before Jacksonville. So actually, Brad,
they were trying to trade all the way up thirteen sixteen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
To get them.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
So it's just one of those things where you go
where you wanted and that right there man that fit
like man.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It was a dream come true for me.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So according to him, they flipped a coin.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, well get the story.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, because Champ Kelly, the assistant GM of the Raiders,
has responded to the claim and he spoke with Vic
Tafer of the Athletic and he said, yeah, I can't
confirm that at all. Terran is a good player. I'm
excited to watch his career and watch him play. But
we drafted Brock. We're excited to get him here, and
I don't think anyone else in our whole draft room
felt any other way. So there's some pushback there. If
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only we had somebody who had a direct line to
the head coach of the Raiders, Antonio Pierce, if we
could clarify this stuff on the air, that'd be great.
But apparently there were just a flipping coins there in
Las Vegas to determine.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's the first time it's ever happened in the NFL, right, Jonas, you.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Know, it's funny you bring that up because I was
thinking about this. I don't know if I told you
guys this story. But so back in you know, like
mid two thousands towards late two thousands, the Chicago Bears
had this quarterback decision.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They had to make.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
They were trying to pick between Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton.
And check this out all right, According to some people there,
Lovey Smith, determining who would start preseason games would flip
a coin. Now I don't know if it was like
a quarter, a nickel, a silver dollar, could have been
a dime, who knows, but they would flip a coin
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to decide on who the starting quarterback would have been
to start preseason games. Ultimately, Kyle Horton got the job.
So it's funny all these years later they're using some
of that to determine who they're drafting in Las Vegas?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Can you believe the love Smith tactic?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
By the way, yeah, well love Smith, you know, love
Smith dusting it off and bringing it back out now
you know is the Raiders are flipping coins.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
There, LeVar. Now, how long have you been working with
Jonas for?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Uh? What three years?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Three years? So I've been working with you Jonas for
how long?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Like eight nine?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, something like that A long time?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Okay, I have probably heard this story at least two
to three times per year. That's the first time Jonas,
and it's like any opportunity he gets to involve the
lovey Smith, Rex Grosman, kyl Orton coin toss you know,
theory or what ever put on in that appreciation.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Hold on a second, that isn't original. The first time
I've ever told that story I was on the ninth
of May twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Hey, Lee, is there any truth to what Jonas is
saying right now?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Zero truth to this?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Come on, man, you know I've never told that story before. No,
I mean they're flipping coins now.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, that's such a tired story, but it is
funny now to hear you don't recant it really with
any changes though over the years you kept the exact same.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
There is no change to be made to an original story.
I've never told by a story before by this first
time ever? Do you think they actually flipped a coin
in the draft room to decide on the pick? Why
would Harryott bar bar?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I would just say that he may have taken a
general term way too literally. That's what I would say. Yeah,
you know, it's you know, yeah, like it was coin
flip man, like we felt good about you? Is coin flip?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Maybe it was a casino chip.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We landed. We landed on the guy we took like
he might have took it as they literally flipped a
coin exactly exactly. And it's that last part where it's
like start speaking up, where you're like, yeah, I know
what side of the coin it's on. No, I think
he took it way too literally, is what I would say.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I mean, there's one person who can tell us the truth,
Antonio Peers.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Me and Okay on there is it? You got sound?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
We have Antonio Pierce's number, right, you want to call
him live on the air. Lead booked that guest a
couple of weeks ago or last week.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
This is gonna work out great for LaVar's relationship. We're
gonna be cold calling Antonio now throughout the course of
the years.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's great. Rule Lee, I ain't got his number. I
called over my phone. I didn't give Lee the number.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Would you ever? Would you ever give Lee Antonio Peers's number?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh, I will go through the proper protocols of how
that would take place. Is it okay with you? If
Lee has your number? Okay? No, okay, yeah, you can't
have it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
No, no disrespect to radio producers. But once you give
your number out to one, you start getting texts and
calls and people like it's just it's like giving it
out everywhere I know.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I always ask permission. I always asked the person. If
somebody asked for a number, I would go, hey, would
you mind if if so and so called to you,
Like somebody wanted to get petros on, And I reached
out to petros say, hey, would you mind somebody wants
to have you on their show? Would that be okay
with you? And he goes, oh, yeah, I don't mind,
and apparently he like never responded, Like it's never like
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he reached out to him, but he just like never
responded okay.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, And which you hate because you used to be
a producer.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Oh yeah, you'll get you'll get ripped in half on
the air if you don't respond. That's the rules.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like it's just it's rude, which is unfortunate because like
some people might have like kids and different obligations, which
you should be aware of that now you have a child,
so you should understand how some of that works.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
And as you know, your phone I've got priorities Sports Radio,
First Family, Second so you know that. So if you can't, well.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's actually coffin First Sports Radio, Second Family.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Jonah's is just really busy, man. He's got to return
in his recycling.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, it takes time, man, You got to sort those things.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He's got to get his hanging upside down time into
you know, that's important.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
You can't. You can't suck blood and prepare for a
show at the same time.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You get it at me.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, probably can, but you know, I guess you never tried.
It's all right.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I just want to know why they flipped the coin.
That's all I want to know, all right, just trying
to get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think we know someone who maybe could give us
some insight to that.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And tell us though great point. It is two pros
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it's coming up next here. We're going to get to
the bottom as to whether or not the Raiders chose
the next ten years of their lives to be committed
to somebody via a coin flip.
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Happy Thursday, I was feeling, Hey, guys, what's happening. Hey,
we're trying trying to get to the bottom of excuse us,
We're trying to UFO Land in the studio. We're trying
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to get to the bottom of this. Did the Raiders
decide on brock Bowers over Terry and Arnold via a
coin flip or not? Can you clear this up for
us please, because that's the clop from oh but not
that I know of.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
But that's a fun story, and that would look really
really bad if Terry and Arnold wound up becoming like
all pro and uh and brock Bowers didn't become much. So,
you know, I I know the Raiders had an interest
in Michael Pennax and you know, had to pivot a
little bit when he came to the board surprisingly enough
at number eight overall. And you know, I do think that, uh,
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you know, like brock Bowers was sort of I think
like an ideal fit for the Raiders too, and that
that that was part of it, you know, is that
I think one of the things for Bowers is unique
and and and prolific of college players he was, You're
going to need a plan for him in the NFL.
And I know how much the Raiders think of Michael
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Mayer as like the traditional in line tight end, and
the thing is you need one of those sorts of
type to really get the most out of bowers if
you're going to move them around and do all the
things you want to do with them, as like a
move type of tight end, like a Shannon Sharp type
of tight end. So I think he went to the
ideal place to get the most out of him. Obviously
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they got to get the quarterback thing sorted out with
Cardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell and all those guys, But
I didn't get any in the tom Ti, Lasco or
Antonio appears for flip of a coin.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I do want to ask you this question. Have you
ever heard of another time in the history of the
NFL where there was a coin flip that didn't involve
a kickoff? You know, is maybe a part of a
decision made by a coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Well, there have been, I mean, there have been the
ones for draft picks right like I know, like there
are when the tie breakers are Austin. There had been
a couple I can't remember who it was, but there
were a couple of the combine where I think one
year it was like who's going to pick seventh and
who's going to pick eights? And they legitimately had like
all the different tiebreakers have been exhausted. You know, you
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got to get fucked a ninth tiebreaker or whatever to
the coin, Flo, But I'm not I'm probably not like
leaning into whatever your jokes about to be there, Brady.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh, okay, I no worries. I wasn't sure if there
was like maybe a preseason game where a head coach
who had a quarterback battle had to decide between two quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Now, I didn't know we were opening old wounds here.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Keep going, I mean listened. I just had heard a
story that Lovey Smith was deciding on Rex Grossman and
Kyle Orton to start preseason games back in the day,
and he flipped a coin. That's what I had heard.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I guess that's a fair way to decide it, right,
Nobody can bitch about that, Nope.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, although Jonas has told this story probably twenty seven
times over the time we've worked together, first I've ever told,
if you're privy to that story, that we're pretty sure
it's played up at this point.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I wasn't. I guess love you could say you could
take it up with the quarter right, Uh, if you
have a problem with it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I feel like should I ask a serious question.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Should rolling.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know, like I felt like this might be
Petros like that they gave me, You've graduated to Petros
Papa Day Kids level. I did want to ask about
just kind of the follow up on any any type
of developments with the Rashi Rashee Rice situation. Where does
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that stand?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll start here before any of
this stuff happened. You know, earlier this week, there was
an expectation on the chief's parts the guy was going
to be suspended, and you know, like they didn't think
he was. They don't think he's a bad guy, but
they felt like he had a lot of growing up
to do.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And the hope was.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Just the i mean the outright stupidity of the the
previous incident where I mean, you're walking away from a
pretty major car accident after allegedly drag racing like that
would kind of think in like, hey, you've got a
real future here. You like, if you screw this up,
you could be costing yourself millions and millions and millions
(22:15):
of dollars. And obviously it sure looks like that whatever
that lesson the chiefs were hoping that Rice would learn
did not sink in and so you know, now I
think that, like, you know, like if you're the Chiefs,
you got to go forward and just almost operate as
if you know, we're not going to have Rashi Rice
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for an extended period of time to begin the season. Now,
you know, we'll see how long it takes for these
things to go to the court. And we know the
NFL doesn't like to, you know, sort of jump the
line when it comes to discipline, you know, and get
in front of the law enforcement. But for a guy
who you had a little bit of a reputation coming
out of college, this is not a good start to
(22:58):
his first off season as a pro.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB. Joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. Maybe we're playing the sound from Joe
Burrow talking about his recovery from the wrist issue and
just talking about it was the most difficult time in
his life and so on and so forth, and we
took it it came across that he was concerned that
(23:24):
maybe this was a little bit different than some of
the other injuries he had dealt with. From people you've
talked to is there some legit concern about what he
could look like moving forward and how this injury is
going to pan out for him.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
We'll just start here, jonas you know, and Brady can
probably appreciate this. I have learned in my years covering
the NFL to never downplay an injury to a quarterback's shoulder,
his elbow, his wrist, his hand. Like I just I've
learned over time, like you know, and seeing people downplay
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those those sorts of things where they can loom large
on a guy's career, you know, So I think anything
that has to do with any of those parts of
the quarterback arm and I'm sorry for the soundtrack, yes right, yeah,
the gunner. A gunner has returned to the radio. Uh so.
(24:20):
Uh So, like I I've learned, I've learned never to
downplay those sorts of those sorts of injuries for a quarterback.
Uh there's also a lack of history with this injury
for quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Joe said in himself, like what is the injury, Albert.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'm sorry to cut you.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Off, but I don't know the burbage. It's a torn
ligament in his wrist and there's there's there's actual verbiage
for it. You know, some of the some of the
doctors on on social media have have broken it down,
but it's an injury that they've seen an offensive lineman
and defensive linemen and linebackers, and you've seen those guys
come back from it. But there's just not a lot
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of history quarterbacks suffering this injury, which is I think
where some of the uncertainty comes in because you know,
obviously Joe's again Joe said it himself, like you know,
alignment or a linebacker doesn't need the same sort of
mobility in his risk that a quarterback does to do
his job. So I'd say there's a fair amount of
concern there. And then you know, like there's just a
(25:19):
fact that like for Joe, I'm sure you know, Joe's
brutally honest about this stuff and he doesn't doesn't mind
it like opening a opening a vein when it comes
to this stuff. But I mean, he hasn't had a
normal off season as a pro yet, you know, so
in twenty twenty one he's coming back off the ACL
and twenty twenty two he had attended site. Is that
cast some most of the training camp and then last
(25:40):
year he had the calf injury, you know, during camp.
So I'm sure there's some level of frustration for Joe
too with just the accumulation of injuries, which you know
obviously have surrounded a lot of really really high level
quarterback play.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Is the time to do away with the Rooney the
Rooney rule?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think you're reference in the Patriots situation right where
they have where they have two candidates in them the
same day. They don't do the interview in Foxboro the stadium,
they do the interview at Boston, which raises the question
or you're just doing it close to the airport so
you can get these guys in and out check the box. Yeah,
I think there's you know, LeVar, I think that they're
(26:22):
I don't know, like I just like I think that
there is. I think that there's a way, there's got
to be a way where we can change this, right
and like, you know, like there's a difference between promoting
somebody from within and hiring somebody from the outside. There's
even a difference between like hiring somebody like Jim Harbaugh
(26:43):
and say hiring like a first time head coach like
a Shane Steichen or a Brian Callahan, right, Like there's
a difference between those things. And I don't know if
it's like okay, like if you have a target and
you know you're going to hire this one guy at
beginning of the problem, do you create like an exclusive
negotiating window where you can't talk to anybody else and
(27:05):
you have a chance to close a deal with a
guy and you know, maybe you aren't subject to the
running rule. Then I don't know what it is, what
it would be, but you know, there's got to be
I think there's got to be a smart way to
do this, you know. And again, like I don't have
all the answers on that, but I feel like there's
there's enough smart people in that room, in those rooms
(27:26):
to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It's just you know, like and I don't mind like
the guys going and doing the interviews either, because I
do think like from a networking perspective, getting an owner
to know you getting the interview rep Like, I don't
think that there's any there's any like huge downside to
going and doing it, you know, but clearly, you know,
(27:48):
like within these sorts of situations, there is I think
something a little bit broken about the running rules.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
The way of stand Albert Brier joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. The NFL does a pretty good job
of sort of laying out and having a roadmap towards
big events. You know, off season, you know where we're
going to go. We're going to Brazil, We're going to
London for these games, all this stuff. Yet it seems
like there's always like this sort of it's kind of
(28:18):
around this time when it comes to the schedule release.
Why isn't it, as I guess, more an easier situation
for them to plan for our I guess, an easier
situation for them to promote and let people know definitively
it's going to be on this state at this time.
That's when we're launching it, as opposed to us seeing
some reports from Sports Business journal saying, yeah, we're hearing
(28:40):
that it's going to be next Wednesday at eight pm
Eastern time. It usually feels like the NFL has got
this stuff planned out further in advance. Why is it
different with the schedule release?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Because there are a lot of hands in the pot,
and there are a lot of competing interests, and there
is a lot of money to be made and lost
on these things. And honestly, I think, you know, like
Mike Fourio wrote about it, like I think the Christmas
Day stuff is part of it, you know. Like, so
they're trying to maximize what they can get in pulling
games back and pulling games off of Sunday and putting
(29:12):
them on a Wednesday, which happens to be Christmas Day.
And then if they're going to do that and go
to the trouble of doing that, well then all right,
like so now you know, we got to make the
most money we possibly can off of it.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
So are we getting the.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Number that we want?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And then you know, there's a matter of the teams
involved too. It's like, ostensibly these aren't going to be
bad teams. They're going to put in those windows, you know,
And if you're one of these teams, that means like a,
you're taxing your entire operation, not just your players and
your coaches, your entire operation on a major holiday, right,
And like, if you're a team that's had you know,
this sort of thing done to them over the last
(29:48):
couple of years, you're not going to want to do
that again. There are only so many people you can ask.
On top of that there's a competitive aspect to it,
right Where those are week fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen of
the season. Those teams are going to have to play
some Monday, Saturday, and then Wednesday like that deep into
the season, right, So that's two short weeks, consecutive short weeks.
(30:08):
It's a lot to ask of any team. And so
how do you find the right teams to do that with?
And you remember those teams have to match up now,
so they're all playing the previous Wednesday, which means they've
got to be playing each other the previous Wednesday. It's
it's I think the Christmas Day thing has complicated this.
It's always complicated by all the competing interests, both competitive
(30:30):
interests and financial interests. And I think it's you know,
the NFL creating the problem for itself because they have
decided to go in so many different directions with the
schedule and stretch things, so like just stretch everybody so
thin in so many different ways. So yeah, it's it's interesting,
(30:52):
you know. I mean, we'll get the schedule on Wednesday.
But certainly it's become more and more complicated as the
NFL has focused more and more on trying to montize
every single element of it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Albert, thirty seconds, just give me a little bit of
a quick take for the NBA NFL debate.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
The NB oh uh.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I here's what I would say. I would say the
numbers favor the NFL side of it. I don't know
where you're going to find your lineman in your and
your your your linebackers, you know, from the NBA, Whereas
like if you're talking about NFL going to NBA, you
just got to find five guys, right Like, so, I
(31:32):
think it's a little more complicated filling out a football roster.
Now that said, I do think like if you were
just ranking like the top five raw athletes, like the best,
like the most gifted athletes is probably the basketball players.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Oh, I'd like to why, Albert, I would what is
that based off of a I would yeah, see though,
and I would love to see the best of the
NBA and they take on they try to, you know,
create a football team all right, Levan on de that's
leven on offense, and have us do a five all five.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Basketball game too. We'll see what wins that.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Let's do a combine I do the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Let's do a combine.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Agreeing with you. I think there's no question, Like I
think I think football players, football players would say would
fare better play basketball player basketball against basketball players in
the other way around, no questions. You're like talking about
the greatest athletes, Like don't you think, Look, Lebron James
is a complete uniform right like there are no one else?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
But what what makes him a better athlete than the
better athlete in football?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Calvin Johnson's not far off.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I'm with you, Albert right right to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's one hundred Lebron's. There's a thousand Lebron's in the
in the NFL. No, that's not true either, one hundred,
one hundred percent, and one of them is playing offensive
line or playing tight end, or playing linebacker, playing safety.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
But I'm with you, I'm with you one. I think
that there's no question.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm just being.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Players would be more competitive playing against basketball players in
a basketball game and the other way around, no question
about it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I want to see a combine with NBA players and
NFL players because I would love so that. It's so
easy for people to say that these guys, they're they're
they are aliens, they're the only thing that makes them
unique is that they're tall. That's it. That's it. Our verticals,
our verticals are high like and they get to take steps.
(33:33):
We don't even get to take steps. I don't know
if people know that when you're when you're measuring an
NBA vertical versus an NFL, we get no steps. NBA
they get to step into take doing their vertical leap. Right,
who's going to run faster forty Who's going to run
faster forty? Right? Who's going to run a faster shuttle?
Speaker 5 (33:52):
LeVar? I'm not arguing with you on that, Like I'm
just saying I just plus the playing from all over
the world, which I think is another element. But it's
just like if you're talking about like the unicorn athlete,
you are not going to find another guy like that,
like the I think there's more of those guys in
basketball than there are football, but I wouldn't do You're
talking about running a forty putting them bench press like
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football players probably win a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Okay, listen, all right, there's there's another battle going on.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay going on.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Okay, it was like it was it was like dots
Kid that started this, wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I don't know. Yeah, Austin Rivers. Yeah yeah, he's uh yeah,
he's stirring the pot over there. But listen, Albert, we
appreciate it. We'll let you get to it. Uh, and
we'll do it again next Thursday.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Thanks, There is Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
We're better athletes, period, We're better athletes. I was.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I wasn't trying to argue with Albert. I just thought
it'd be amazing to see I want to create an
the NFL team and then an NFL team create an
NBA squad. That'd be awesome to see I do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's the show.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's a show comes that's the concept. And by the way, show,
I bet you could get some huge money for people
to put that together and see it. Huge money for
a game like.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I mean, Lucas some of the stuff people pay you
to watch now. Of course it would.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
The hard thing is it would play to the advantage
of football players because it's much more complicated to put
together offenses and defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Than it is for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
By the way, to Levar's foyt, I'd rather watch that
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buying should be. So congratulations or in order for Nikola
Jokic who won his third MVP. Yeah, big time. We'll
claim bam so I'm talking about He also seemed like
he didn't really care. He's just kind of like whatever, Yeah,
(01:18):
that's cool.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Look, there's some people too took issue with it.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean, of all the times for Shack, just
letting him know, like just so you know, I thought, uh,
Shay Gilgers Alexander should have been the m v P
while celebrating the fact that Jokic won his m VP.
It's like, all right, well, you know, probably a better
time to do that. But nonetheless, yeah, people not well.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And the other narrative that I saw out there was
we need to change the timing of when we give
away this award, because once you get into playoffs and
you see that an m v P who's now down
what O two and they're you know, not playing as
well as he was in the previous series, really for
the entirety of the season, it loses its luster.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You hear that narrative that we need to change the
time of when we give away a regular season award.
There might be some truth of that. I mean, people
talk about that sometimes in regards to the NFL and
the MVP. People tend to forget that it is a
regular season award. All these MVPs are all regular season
awards because it's the entire field of play, so you're
awarding that person for the regular season. It's no different
(02:26):
than the Heisman, right, we give away the Heisman. There's
now the college football playoff. It used to be before
the national championship, and then that things don't go on
the national championship. They're like, well, why should this guy be,
you know, getting the Heisman trophy then, But the reality
is it's never been about the postseason. It's always singularly
bit about the individual player over the course of a season,
(02:48):
the regular season. So I never really get the outrage
or people who get frustrated by this. I realized the
Nuggets are struggling versus the te Wolves and look, rightfully
so like maybe this is actually a springboard because of
how Anthony Edwards is playing in this you know, specific
series and really just how he's been all year for
him to be the MVP or one of the favorites
next year, you know, if the t Wolves continue on
(03:10):
and maybe they win an NBA Finals, so maybe it
ends up being his opportunity to then finally, you know,
dethrone Jokic, who's he's been arguably the best player in
the league of the last four years. Really, I mean
he's one of three of the last four. You could
have given it four of the last four.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I would say Anthony Edwards probably the most fun player
in the league right now. Maybe not the most valuable.
You give it to the Jokich if you want, But
as far as just entertainment wise, hard to be. What
ant Man's doing with the Minnesota Timberwolves, my Timberwolves is exciting. Yeah,
I mean, he's Anthony Edwards is exciting. But you know, Jokic,
(03:47):
I mean, he's he's been consistent, He's his team has
has been consistent. When you have success, people are rewarded.
You know, there's there's there's spoils of of having success,
and he's you know, he's he's a part of that.
I mean, there's only been what there's there's it's a
(04:09):
very very short list of people who have gotten you know,
the the m v P rating, the ranking, the award
three times or more. And I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's it's a pretty pretty phenomenal, pretty phenomenal accomplishment. So
listen whether whether someone likes it or doesn't like it,
it really it really doesn't matter. When you get into
the names like Kareem Abdul Jabbar who had six, Michael
Jordan who had five, Lebron James and Bill Russell four.
(04:50):
Then you get into the threes, Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain,
Magic Johnson, and Moses Malone. Nicola had as the opportunity
to get to where Lebron James and Bill Russell is
and could possibly get to where MJ is. I don't
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know that he can get six. I don't see six happening,
but if it were, I mean you're talking about you're
talking about a big, and this should be stated, You're
talking about a big being able to get that type
of award in a very very very different NBA than
(05:35):
what all of these players, except for Lebron James have
played in. Yeah, you know, it was a big driven league.
That's why you have a Kareem Abdul Jabbar at six,
a Bill Russell in there, a Wilt Chamberlain in there,
even a Magic Moses Malone. Those are all bigs. You know,
this is a shooting man's game and it's just not
(06:00):
made for biggs to be dominant in this type of league.
And yet these bigs have adapted, they've adjusted. You see
the Joel embiids, you see the Yannises. You see the
Kevin Durance. Now you got yim yim bin Yama being
Bimbi wemby wm bey wm Biamo. Okay, we got those,
(06:26):
We got lady and those guys. You know it's go See.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Mad Dog was trying to say Brazilian jiu jitsu the
other day. He was talking about the Tom Brady roast.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
He's like, what is that? How do you how do
you say it?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He and just like spitting out jitsu. That's all I
think you can get out.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Just call him win Puppet, Yama want Lear.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
By the way, on the on the list of nicknames,
how do we feel about Joker? How do we feel
about Big Honey, the Cookie Monster Yoki? Yeah, how about
the Big Tipper?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The Joker is the best.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It just feels like it's kind of key monster seems
rather funny.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
But well, I mean I might I might interpret some
of those differently though than.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You know, before we go there. So he's won three,
he's twenty nine years old. Like when you start talking
about the direction of this league, where it's at, how
he's able to operate as a big to your point
in a league where it spaces things out. I mean
his game is perfectly suited for right now and even
(07:36):
an era where there was maybe more competition with bigs,
which I think that's what you're starting to see though,
like in this specific series. I mean, go Bert did't
even play the last game and they still had an
unbelievable defensive effort against him. But I think that makes
the case for him in two ways. One, if you
take Jokic off that team, I don't know how competitive
Denver is. I don't mean that to sound like a
(07:58):
diss to you Knowmal Murray or Michael Porter Junior or
anyone else. He is the lynchpin though, of that team,
and you can see when you take him away, there's
no one else that really can support to the degree
that he's able to as a score as a facilitator
within that offense. When he is averaging a triple double
for the entirety of the season, like that's just how
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meaningful he is to the Denver Nuggets. So I don't
know how people question his value, especially for the number
two seed team in the West, and really what he's
been able to do in a league where you know
his game adapts well to whatever it needs to be.
I mean he's a good enough three point shooter, be
able to shoot from the outside. I think he's like
thirty five percent for his career or something like that.
(08:41):
But it's everything else. It's how he distributes, It's how
he you know, rebounds, you know, it's how he's able
to find ways of scoring. But it's it's he's fun
to watch, Like I enjoy watching his style play. It's
not as fun maybe as Anthony Edwards, but it's like
a different style that's just kind of like easy to watch.
How he kind of does a little bit of everything.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Just never leaves his feet, you know, everything's just on
the ground, like he just did no reason that it
probably doesn't get you know, four inches off the ground
and just throws up you know, twenty five, fifteen and
ten a game. So good for him. Third MVP didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Get it last year.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Uh yeah, what was the voting though?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Close, Yeah, because it was a big controversy they were
trying to stir it up. But nonetheless, you know, defending
NBA close.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I take that back, and Bid got seventy three of
the first place votes. Jokic only fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, but I didn't he win it? Two times in
a row before before last year. Yeah, correct, Yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I do know this that maybe the voting wasn't a
coin flip, but maybe that's because the voting wasn't in
Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Maybe it was because it wasn't connected to a draft pick.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, and you know, we do have some clarification and
a response to something that came out because it was
on a podcast recently that Lions first round draft pick
Terry and Arnold, who was on the next Round, spoke
about who he potentially could have ended up with, and
(10:16):
apparently that team was none other than the Raiders. And
let's take a listen to Terry and Arnold's claim as
to how it was brock Bauers and not him that
ended up in Las Vegas.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
They knew that the Raiders that they took me, and
actually the Raiders coach they called me after the drift
they were like, you know, we actually had a coin
toss between you and brought Bowers and man it on him.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
And then after the Raiders passed they said, okay, we
got to get up there before Jacksonville. So actually, Brad,
they were trying to trade all the way up thirteen sixteen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
To get them.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
So it's just one of those things where you go
where you wanted and that right there man that fit
like man.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It was a dream come true for me.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So according to him, they flipped a coin.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, well get the story.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, because Champ Kelly, the assistant GM of the Raiders,
has responded to the claim and he spoke with Vic
Tafer of the Athletic and he said, yeah, I can't
confirm that at all. Terran is a good player. I'm
excited to watch his career and watch him play. But
we drafted Brock. We're excited to get him here, and
I don't think anyone else in our whole draft room
felt any other way. So there's some pushback there. If
(11:24):
only we had somebody who had a direct line to
the head coach of the Raiders, Antonio Pierce, if we
could clarify this stuff on the air, that'd be great.
But apparently there were just a flipping coins there in
Las Vegas to determine.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's the first time it's ever happened in the NFL, right, Jonas, you.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Know, it's funny you bring that up because I was
thinking about this. I don't know if I told you
guys this story. But so back in you know, like
mid two thousands towards late two thousands, the Chicago Bears
had this quarterback decision.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They had to make.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
They were trying to pick between Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton.
And check this out all right, According to some people there,
Lovey Smith, determining who would start preseason games would flip
a coin. Now I don't know if it was like
a quarter, a nickel, a silver dollar, could have been
a dime, who knows, but they would flip a coin
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to decide on who the starting quarterback would have been
to start preseason games. Ultimately, Kyle Horton got the job.
So it's funny all these years later they're using some
of that to determine who they're drafting in Las Vegas?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Can you believe the love Smith tactic?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
By the way, yeah, well love Smith, you know, love
Smith dusting it off and bringing it back out now
you know is the Raiders are flipping coins.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
There, LeVar. Now, how long have you been working with
Jonas for?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Uh? What three years?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Three years? So I've been working with you Jonas for
how long?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Like eight nine?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, something like that A long time?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Okay, I have probably heard this story at least two
to three times per year. That's the first time Jonas,
and it's like any opportunity he gets to involve the
lovey Smith, Rex Grosman, kyl Orton coin toss you know,
theory or what ever put on in that appreciation.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Hold on a second, that isn't original. The first time
I've ever told that story I was on the ninth
of May twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Hey, Lee, is there any truth to what Jonas is
saying right now?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Zero truth to this?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Come on, man, you know I've never told that story before. No,
I mean they're flipping coins now.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, that's such a tired story, but it is
funny now to hear you don't recant it really with
any changes though over the years you kept the exact same.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
There is no change to be made to an original story.
I've never told by a story before by this first
time ever? Do you think they actually flipped a coin
in the draft room to decide on the pick? Why
would Harryott bar bar?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I would just say that he may have taken a
general term way too literally. That's what I would say. Yeah,
you know, it's you know, yeah, like it was coin
flip man, like we felt good about you? Is coin flip?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Maybe it was a casino chip.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We landed. We landed on the guy we took like
he might have took it as they literally flipped a
coin exactly exactly. And it's that last part where it's
like start speaking up, where you're like, yeah, I know
what side of the coin it's on. No, I think
he took it way too literally, is what I would say.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I mean, there's one person who can tell us the truth,
Antonio Peers.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Me and Okay on there is it? You got sound?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
We have Antonio Pierce's number, right, you want to call
him live on the air. Lead booked that guest a
couple of weeks ago or last week.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
This is gonna work out great for LaVar's relationship. We're
gonna be cold calling Antonio now throughout the course of
the years.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's great. Rule Lee, I ain't got his number. I
called over my phone. I didn't give Lee the number.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Would you ever? Would you ever give Lee Antonio Peers's number?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh, I will go through the proper protocols of how
that would take place. Is it okay with you? If
Lee has your number? Okay? No, okay, yeah, you can't
have it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
No, no disrespect to radio producers. But once you give
your number out to one, you start getting texts and
calls and people like it's just it's like giving it
out everywhere I know.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I always ask permission. I always asked the person. If
somebody asked for a number, I would go, hey, would
you mind if if so and so called to you,
Like somebody wanted to get petros on, And I reached
out to petros say, hey, would you mind somebody wants
to have you on their show? Would that be okay
with you? And he goes, oh, yeah, I don't mind,
and apparently he like never responded, Like it's never like
(15:41):
he reached out to him, but he just like never
responded okay.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, And which you hate because you used to be
a producer.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Oh yeah, you'll get you'll get ripped in half on
the air if you don't respond. That's the rules.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like it's just it's rude, which is unfortunate because like
some people might have like kids and different obligations, which
you should be aware of that now you have a child,
so you should understand how some of that works.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
And as you know, your phone I've got priorities Sports Radio,
First Family, Second so you know that. So if you can't, well.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's actually coffin First Sports Radio, Second Family.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Jonah's is just really busy, man. He's got to return
in his recycling.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, it takes time, man, You got to sort those things.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He's got to get his hanging upside down time into
you know, that's important.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
You can't. You can't suck blood and prepare for a
show at the same time.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You get it at me.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, probably can, but you know, I guess you never tried.
It's all right.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I just want to know why they flipped the coin.
That's all I want to know, all right, just trying
to get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think we know someone who maybe could give us
some insight to that.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And tell us though great point. It is two pros
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to somebody via a coin flip.
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Sports Radio and now we welcome in our guy, Albert Breer,
Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB. You
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Happy Thursday, I was feeling, Hey, guys, what's happening. Hey,
we're trying trying to get to the bottom of excuse us,
We're trying to UFO Land in the studio. We're trying
(18:10):
to get to the bottom of this. Did the Raiders
decide on brock Bowers over Terry and Arnold via a
coin flip or not? Can you clear this up for
us please, because that's the clop from oh but not
that I know of.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
But that's a fun story, and that would look really
really bad if Terry and Arnold wound up becoming like
all pro and uh and brock Bowers didn't become much. So,
you know, I I know the Raiders had an interest
in Michael Pennax and you know, had to pivot a
little bit when he came to the board surprisingly enough
at number eight overall. And you know, I do think that, uh,
(18:47):
you know, like brock Bowers was sort of I think
like an ideal fit for the Raiders too, and that
that that was part of it, you know, is that
I think one of the things for Bowers is unique
and and and prolific of college players he was, You're
going to need a plan for him in the NFL.
And I know how much the Raiders think of Michael
(19:08):
Mayer as like the traditional in line tight end, and
the thing is you need one of those sorts of
type to really get the most out of bowers if
you're going to move them around and do all the
things you want to do with them, as like a
move type of tight end, like a Shannon Sharp type
of tight end. So I think he went to the
ideal place to get the most out of him. Obviously
(19:29):
they got to get the quarterback thing sorted out with
Cardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell and all those guys, But
I didn't get any in the tom Ti, Lasco or
Antonio appears for flip of a coin.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I do want to ask you this question. Have you
ever heard of another time in the history of the
NFL where there was a coin flip that didn't involve
a kickoff? You know, is maybe a part of a
decision made by a coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Well, there have been, I mean, there have been the
ones for draft picks right like I know, like there
are when the tie breakers are Austin. There had been
a couple I can't remember who it was, but there
were a couple of the combine where I think one
year it was like who's going to pick seventh and
who's going to pick eights? And they legitimately had like
all the different tiebreakers have been exhausted. You know, you
(20:14):
got to get fucked a ninth tiebreaker or whatever to
the coin, Flo, But I'm not I'm probably not like
leaning into whatever your jokes about to be there, Brady.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh, okay, I no worries. I wasn't sure if there
was like maybe a preseason game where a head coach
who had a quarterback battle had to decide between two quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Now, I didn't know we were opening old wounds here.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Keep going, I mean listened. I just had heard a
story that Lovey Smith was deciding on Rex Grossman and
Kyle Orton to start preseason games back in the day,
and he flipped a coin. That's what I had heard.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I guess that's a fair way to decide it, right,
Nobody can bitch about that, Nope.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, although Jonas has told this story probably twenty seven
times over the time we've worked together, first I've ever told,
if you're privy to that story, that we're pretty sure
it's played up at this point.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I wasn't. I guess love you could say you could
take it up with the quarter right, Uh, if you
have a problem with it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I feel like should I ask a serious question.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Should rolling.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know, like I felt like this might be
Petros like that they gave me, You've graduated to Petros
Papa Day Kids level. I did want to ask about
just kind of the follow up on any any type
of developments with the Rashi Rashee Rice situation. Where does
(21:34):
that stand?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll start here before any of
this stuff happened. You know, earlier this week, there was
an expectation on the chief's parts the guy was going
to be suspended, and you know, like they didn't think
he was. They don't think he's a bad guy, but
they felt like he had a lot of growing up
to do.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And the hope was.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Just the i mean the outright stupidity of the the
previous incident where I mean, you're walking away from a
pretty major car accident after allegedly drag racing like that
would kind of think in like, hey, you've got a
real future here. You like, if you screw this up,
you could be costing yourself millions and millions and millions
(22:15):
of dollars. And obviously it sure looks like that whatever
that lesson the chiefs were hoping that Rice would learn
did not sink in and so you know, now I
think that, like, you know, like if you're the Chiefs,
you got to go forward and just almost operate as
if you know, we're not going to have Rashi Rice
(22:37):
for an extended period of time to begin the season. Now,
you know, we'll see how long it takes for these
things to go to the court. And we know the
NFL doesn't like to, you know, sort of jump the
line when it comes to discipline, you know, and get
in front of the law enforcement. But for a guy
who you had a little bit of a reputation coming
out of college, this is not a good start to
(22:58):
his first off season as a pro.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB. Joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. Maybe we're playing the sound from Joe
Burrow talking about his recovery from the wrist issue and
just talking about it was the most difficult time in
his life and so on and so forth, and we
took it it came across that he was concerned that
(23:24):
maybe this was a little bit different than some of
the other injuries he had dealt with. From people you've
talked to is there some legit concern about what he
could look like moving forward and how this injury is
going to pan out for him.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
We'll just start here, jonas you know, and Brady can
probably appreciate this. I have learned in my years covering
the NFL to never downplay an injury to a quarterback's shoulder,
his elbow, his wrist, his hand. Like I just I've
learned over time, like you know, and seeing people downplay
(23:59):
those those sorts of things where they can loom large
on a guy's career, you know, So I think anything
that has to do with any of those parts of
the quarterback arm and I'm sorry for the soundtrack, yes right, yeah,
the gunner. A gunner has returned to the radio. Uh so.
(24:20):
Uh So, like I I've learned, I've learned never to
downplay those sorts of those sorts of injuries for a quarterback.
Uh there's also a lack of history with this injury
for quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Joe said in himself, like what is the injury, Albert.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'm sorry to cut you.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Off, but I don't know the burbage. It's a torn
ligament in his wrist and there's there's there's actual verbiage
for it. You know, some of the some of the
doctors on on social media have have broken it down,
but it's an injury that they've seen an offensive lineman
and defensive linemen and linebackers, and you've seen those guys
come back from it. But there's just not a lot
(24:59):
of history quarterbacks suffering this injury, which is I think
where some of the uncertainty comes in because you know,
obviously Joe's again Joe said it himself, like you know,
alignment or a linebacker doesn't need the same sort of
mobility in his risk that a quarterback does to do
his job. So I'd say there's a fair amount of
concern there. And then you know, like there's just a
(25:19):
fact that like for Joe, I'm sure you know, Joe's
brutally honest about this stuff and he doesn't doesn't mind
it like opening a opening a vein when it comes
to this stuff. But I mean, he hasn't had a
normal off season as a pro yet, you know, so
in twenty twenty one he's coming back off the ACL
and twenty twenty two he had attended site. Is that
cast some most of the training camp and then last
(25:40):
year he had the calf injury, you know, during camp.
So I'm sure there's some level of frustration for Joe
too with just the accumulation of injuries, which you know
obviously have surrounded a lot of really really high level
quarterback play.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Is the time to do away with the Rooney the
Rooney rule?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think you're reference in the Patriots situation right where
they have where they have two candidates in them the
same day. They don't do the interview in Foxboro the stadium,
they do the interview at Boston, which raises the question
or you're just doing it close to the airport so
you can get these guys in and out check the box. Yeah,
I think there's you know, LeVar, I think that they're
(26:22):
I don't know, like I just like I think that
there is. I think that there's a way, there's got
to be a way where we can change this, right
and like, you know, like there's a difference between promoting
somebody from within and hiring somebody from the outside. There's
even a difference between like hiring somebody like Jim Harbaugh
(26:43):
and say hiring like a first time head coach like
a Shane Steichen or a Brian Callahan, right, Like there's
a difference between those things. And I don't know if
it's like okay, like if you have a target and
you know you're going to hire this one guy at
beginning of the problem, do you create like an exclusive
negotiating window where you can't talk to anybody else and
(27:05):
you have a chance to close a deal with a
guy and you know, maybe you aren't subject to the
running rule. Then I don't know what it is, what
it would be, but you know, there's got to be
I think there's got to be a smart way to
do this, you know. And again, like I don't have
all the answers on that, but I feel like there's
there's enough smart people in that room, in those rooms
(27:26):
to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It's just you know, like and I don't mind like
the guys going and doing the interviews either, because I
do think like from a networking perspective, getting an owner
to know you getting the interview rep Like, I don't
think that there's any there's any like huge downside to
going and doing it, you know, but clearly, you know,
(27:48):
like within these sorts of situations, there is I think
something a little bit broken about the running rules.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
The way of stand Albert Brier joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. The NFL does a pretty good job
of sort of laying out and having a roadmap towards
big events. You know, off season, you know where we're
going to go. We're going to Brazil, We're going to
London for these games, all this stuff. Yet it seems
like there's always like this sort of it's kind of
(28:18):
around this time when it comes to the schedule release.
Why isn't it, as I guess, more an easier situation
for them to plan for our I guess, an easier
situation for them to promote and let people know definitively
it's going to be on this state at this time.
That's when we're launching it, as opposed to us seeing
some reports from Sports Business journal saying, yeah, we're hearing
(28:40):
that it's going to be next Wednesday at eight pm
Eastern time. It usually feels like the NFL has got
this stuff planned out further in advance. Why is it
different with the schedule release?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Because there are a lot of hands in the pot,
and there are a lot of competing interests, and there
is a lot of money to be made and lost
on these things. And honestly, I think, you know, like
Mike Fourio wrote about it, like I think the Christmas
Day stuff is part of it, you know. Like, so
they're trying to maximize what they can get in pulling
games back and pulling games off of Sunday and putting
(29:12):
them on a Wednesday, which happens to be Christmas Day.
And then if they're going to do that and go
to the trouble of doing that, well then all right,
like so now you know, we got to make the
most money we possibly can off of it.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
So are we getting the.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Number that we want?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And then you know, there's a matter of the teams
involved too. It's like, ostensibly these aren't going to be
bad teams. They're going to put in those windows, you know,
And if you're one of these teams, that means like a,
you're taxing your entire operation, not just your players and
your coaches, your entire operation on a major holiday, right,
And like, if you're a team that's had you know,
this sort of thing done to them over the last
(29:48):
couple of years, you're not going to want to do
that again. There are only so many people you can ask.
On top of that there's a competitive aspect to it,
right Where those are week fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen of
the season. Those teams are going to have to play
some Monday, Saturday, and then Wednesday like that deep into
the season, right, So that's two short weeks, consecutive short weeks.
(30:08):
It's a lot to ask of any team. And so
how do you find the right teams to do that with?
And you remember those teams have to match up now,
so they're all playing the previous Wednesday, which means they've
got to be playing each other the previous Wednesday. It's
it's I think the Christmas Day thing has complicated this.
It's always complicated by all the competing interests, both competitive
(30:30):
interests and financial interests. And I think it's you know,
the NFL creating the problem for itself because they have
decided to go in so many different directions with the
schedule and stretch things, so like just stretch everybody so
thin in so many different ways. So yeah, it's it's interesting,
(30:52):
you know. I mean, we'll get the schedule on Wednesday.
But certainly it's become more and more complicated as the
NFL has focused more and more on trying to montize
every single element of it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Albert, thirty seconds, just give me a little bit of
a quick take for the NBA NFL debate.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
The NB oh uh.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I here's what I would say. I would say the
numbers favor the NFL side of it. I don't know
where you're going to find your lineman in your and
your your your linebackers, you know, from the NBA, Whereas
like if you're talking about NFL going to NBA, you
just got to find five guys, right Like, so, I
(31:32):
think it's a little more complicated filling out a football roster.
Now that said, I do think like if you were
just ranking like the top five raw athletes, like the best,
like the most gifted athletes is probably the basketball players.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Oh, I'd like to why, Albert, I would what is
that based off of a I would yeah, see though,
and I would love to see the best of the
NBA and they take on they try to, you know,
create a football team all right, Levan on de that's
leven on offense, and have us do a five all five.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Basketball game too. We'll see what wins that.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Let's do a combine I do the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Let's do a combine.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Agreeing with you. I think there's no question, Like I
think I think football players, football players would say would
fare better play basketball player basketball against basketball players in
the other way around, no questions. You're like talking about
the greatest athletes, Like don't you think, Look, Lebron James
is a complete uniform right like there are no one else?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
But what what makes him a better athlete than the
better athlete in football?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Calvin Johnson's not far off.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I'm with you, Albert right right to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's one hundred Lebron's. There's a thousand Lebron's in the
in the NFL. No, that's not true either, one hundred,
one hundred percent, and one of them is playing offensive
line or playing tight end, or playing linebacker, playing safety.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
But I'm with you, I'm with you one. I think
that there's no question.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm just being.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Players would be more competitive playing against basketball players in
a basketball game and the other way around, no question
about it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I want to see a combine with NBA players and
NFL players because I would love so that. It's so
easy for people to say that these guys, they're they're
they are aliens, they're the only thing that makes them
unique is that they're tall. That's it. That's it. Our verticals,
our verticals are high like and they get to take steps.
(33:33):
We don't even get to take steps. I don't know
if people know that when you're when you're measuring an
NBA vertical versus an NFL, we get no steps. NBA
they get to step into take doing their vertical leap. Right,
who's going to run faster forty Who's going to run
faster forty? Right? Who's going to run a faster shuttle?
Speaker 5 (33:52):
LeVar? I'm not arguing with you on that, Like I'm
just saying I just plus the playing from all over
the world, which I think is another element. But it's
just like if you're talking about like the unicorn athlete,
you are not going to find another guy like that,
like the I think there's more of those guys in
basketball than there are football, but I wouldn't do You're
talking about running a forty putting them bench press like
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football players probably win a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Okay, listen, all right, there's there's another battle going on.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay going on.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Okay, it was like it was it was like dots
Kid that started this, wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I don't know. Yeah, Austin Rivers. Yeah yeah, he's uh yeah,
he's stirring the pot over there. But listen, Albert, we
appreciate it. We'll let you get to it. Uh, and
we'll do it again next Thursday.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Thanks, There is Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
We're better athletes, period, We're better athletes. I was.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I wasn't trying to argue with Albert. I just thought
it'd be amazing to see I want to create an
the NFL team and then an NFL team create an
NBA squad. That'd be awesome to see I do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's the show.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's a show comes that's the concept. And by the way, show,
I bet you could get some huge money for people
to put that together and see it. Huge money for
a game like.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I mean, Lucas some of the stuff people pay you
to watch now. Of course it would.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
The hard thing is it would play to the advantage
of football players because it's much more complicated to put
together offenses and defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Than it is for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
By the way, to Levar's foyt, I'd rather watch that
than G League two. I really would two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
Two Pros and a Cup of Show what you to
know if they're in it please or if they're out
all right?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Lead to laugh. What do we got, guys?
Speaker 9 (36:38):
The Giants have signed wide receiver Alan Robinson. You guys
that are out on.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
This nice and ah and yeah out.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I don't know's going to be the opposite.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But he had some good years in Jacksonville in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, right years. So why do you be out on
the man? Give me a chance?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah? No, love a ro We are baby fellas.
Speaker 9 (37:02):
Amazon and TNT finally announced, Dale Earnhardt Junior is joining uh,
joining them for their NASCAR coverage once.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
They take over next Hell yeah in Lhal Earn Howard Jr.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
That's my guy, you know. Commanders fan.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm out. I like Foxes coverage. Chick fan
of Foxes coverage.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
God man, just going in the show with hate.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Let it out your heart, guys.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Has been announced Sydney Sweeney is gonna star in the
role out real life boxer Christy Martin.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
What always Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I remember her?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
From the nineties.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Why would she want to do that?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Apparently she likes kickboxing.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
She used to do that as a kid. She wants
to get back in the ring. She's looking to do
a full transformation of there.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
That's gonna be interesting man, what that looks like?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Right?
Speaker 8 (37:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, I'm out on this man, waiting for my waiting
for some stuff to come out.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I thought you would go put some love to it
because I want he wants to watch Euphoria.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Again, That's what.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I never watched that that show, but I have seen
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Scenes.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Damn, dang, you know what, maybe a man, maybe you
are what else? That's it?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Today? Fellas alrighty, that is it
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