February 6, 2025 • 39 mins
NFL Insider Albert Breer joins the guys at the booth in New Orleans to talk about everything NFL and Super Bowl as well is rub in Ohio State's National Championship. Also, former official Mike Pereira joins the guys to talk officiating controversy, Lee's Leftovers, and more!
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Yeah and he is here, folks. Great the powerful the
magnificent Albert.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Up last champion.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, I gotta give him props. It can't be a
Michigan but national champion years.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
It's so good by wait, abkme in banged up like
like leek, I'm just saying, okay, you're the competition going on.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It used to be that I would come and banged
up because of the night before. Now that I'm in
my forties, I came in banged up because I used
the hotel razor was always a mistake. The left minor
is leak. It is leaking, and that's why I have this.
And I went for a run this morning.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
So you got Albert will go for a run before
he comes on the show.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You generally come in, which are you're running? Gear on?
I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
But this is actually a little better because the last
couple we've been a West coast.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, it's way earlier. It's way earlier.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, those West Coast ones are tough, man like,
that's every day for you.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well, by the way, you were selling us on New
Orleans for the host city of the Super Bowl permanently
are you have you been.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Overwhelmed or underwhelm? I love it here it's great. Do
you hate it? You can't stand it? What I mean,
I will say the people are great.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The people its just the snipple are black and miles
and well.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
People do love black and mouths out here. Man, it's
a distinct smell. I walk right black and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Mouth or is everywhere everywhere?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
My every hotel, my room doesn't smell off. So is
that a'll smoke, but like the hallway, the elevator everywhere, But.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It's like every city smells like No, it's legal everywhere,
and it's it's it's not like that in every city
a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh yeah, well, I mean that's I mean, listen, you
walk around Venice and you'll just see sleeping bags and drugs.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's really what Venn said.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Like the weed doctors like twenty years ago, so it's
like not new there.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, they're like advanced.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
It's like the whole vaping came to there soon.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah. I just told yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
So, Albert, as we approach this game coming up on Sunday,
are you getting a vibe.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
One way or the other, a lean one way or
the other.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Is there something that hasn't been discussed that you think
could be a major.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Factor for this I mean the Chiefs just seem so
tremendously loose, you know what I mean. But that's the
first thing just being around them is that you can
kind of feel that they're so comfortable in this environment,
and you know, it's just kind of like, I don't know.
The reason why I picked the Chiefs to win the
game is because I think this is a close enough matchup.
I think the Eagles have better roster, but I think
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this is a close enough matchup where it's probably gonna
come down to the last five minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And if it comes down to the.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Last five minutes, how do you how do you not
how do you not like just put your push your
chips in the middle of the table on him, I.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Like waiver back and forth with it for some of
the reasons you just made. And I think ultimately though,
I come down to I guess Patrick Mahomes becoming that
guy now that you just believe that, well, it's gonna
it's like a game, So the Chief's gonna win because
we know Patrick Mahomes will make a plan. Then I
don't know though, because the roster deals what sticks out
to me like, I don't think the Chiefs can be
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able to stop Philly running football.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well, I mean, like, but I think what you're gonna see,
And I've talked to some of their guys on this,
like how it's just you have you have a defensive
coordinator who really knows what he's doing. You've got a
bunch of versatile pieces and one thing one thing, and
you guys can you guys can do much better job
breaking this down than me. But like, like Segnolo is
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not going to sit in one front and say like, yes,
we're gonna beat you. We're gonna be able to go
toe to toe with you and beat you man to man,
and you know, I think you're gonna see them change
their front to bottom bunch. I think Leo Chanal is
a huge part of the games because he can do
a bunch of different things and they can move him around.
And I think, like, you know, I look at like
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Josh Allen last week. So one of the big things
that came up when I've been talking to coaches and
scouts about this the matchup itself, and guys that have
played both teams, what they what they've said to me
pretty consistently is you have to beat Saquan and first down,
they have to beat Jalen on second down, because what
happens is that if you can get him into second
and long, that's where Jalen uses his legs and then
they turn second along to third and short and they're
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almost unstoppable and short yardage. So I just look at
last week against the Bills. Did Josh Allen kill him.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
With their legs with his legs? No?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
No, no, you know, like and they were able to
win in short yardage and I just feel like they
killed themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And this is different animal though, No I know, but
I mean everybody, but I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I'm talking about like in that if you can beat
if you can stop Saquan on first down, which takes
a big gift, right, it's a big gift, but if
you but if you can do that on first down,
then it's Jalen on second down, Elijah. And we've seen
what they can do once, we've seen what they can
do on second we've seen what they can do against
a mobile quarterback. So like, I don't know, I just
looked at it like this is one of the best
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defensive coordinators of all time when it comes to winning
in big games and game planning and big games.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And I just know it's Mahome.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean, yeah, I mean at this I think Spagnola's
ability it's I think the Spagnola is gonna find a
way to put the ball in Jalen Hurt's hands and
say you have to beat us the pocket, which was
phenomenally throwing the ball, throwing the ball down the field
and like one, you know, like you're gonna have We're
gonna put pressure on you and you're gonna have to
throw under pressure down the field from the pocket and
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if you can beat us like that, God bless you.
But I I just I think Spagnola is gonna find
a way to do. Now you're I'm so I did
on this one.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I really am. I'm torn And.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like maybe it's like the familarity effect. I want to
ask you since we're here in New Orleans. Yeah, they
haven't hired a head coach yet, it seems like the
worst kept secret this point kill him.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, right, So how.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Does that factor into this game at all?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
In your mind?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But then also just for Saints fans, you know, what
do they have to look forward to?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You know, I'm really impressed with like the maturation of
Callen because Kellen was kind of like I think he
was sort of like plucked as Jerry Jones's next version
of Jason Garrett. You know, like he was a player there,
they led him into the coaching meetings when he was
still playing. They viewed him that way. They pushed him
through the system. He's eventually going to be the head
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coach the Cowboys, and then it didn't work out that way.
And you know, I think the year getting fired in
Los Angeles, being part of the staff there and now
coming to Philly, I think has really kind of rounded
him out as a coach. And you know, one thing
that was another thing that came up when we were
when I was talking to you know, different guys from
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different teams that have played both these teams, is how
you know, Kansas City's pretty complex and Philly's pretty simple.
And I thought that was interesting and I talked to
a few of their coaches about it. How Like last
year when Kellen came in, like he they as a
staff went over every game from the last three years,
every game Nick Siriani's coach there, and looked at the
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offense and decided what they wanted to keep and what
they wanted to throw out.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And they incorporate stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Kellen's doing and to go from having like this massive
amount of information and concepts and scheme and all these
guys from different backgrounds and then be able to synthesize
it down and manage the egos of coaches who maybe
thought they should have been the coordinator, you know what
I mean, Like, I think that's I think there's a
lot of head coach stuff there, you know what I mean,
Like what Kellen had to do coming in and managing
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that situation, managing expectations, getting the most out of a quarterback,
like so many things that I think he is going
to have to do as a head coach. He was
asked to do in Philly, and I think it showed
that he learned from his failures in Dallas and Los
Angeles and pulling it off.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Maybe the narrative coming into this season for Philly and
for Sirianni kind of had him on the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it that?
Speaker 6 (09:14):
And it had the conversational points of mutiny, you know,
like we we don't believe in them, we don't you know,
whatever it may be, there's issues with him. What is
he forty eight and twenty now all he's done is won. Yeah,
and now they're back in the Super Bowl. Does a
win or a loss do anything to deteriorate what he's
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been able to accomplish this season?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, I like I would say if he was
coaching anywhere except Philly, No, but Philly's a different animal.
I Mean, it's just it's unbelievable if you think about it,
like he took over a four win team, and yes,
they had injuries and they sort of tanked the end
of the year, But if you really think about it,
like he took over a four win team that was
about to go through a quarterback change because they were
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going from Carson Wentz, it hurts then. And like I
just like look at like the the body of work,
and it's really good. But again, like I think the
way Philly and I can understand this too. I think
the way that Philadelphia the fan base is going to
look at it is, well, we have this great group
of players, and if you don't win, are we missing
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our window?
Speaker 8 (10:19):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And I think that that's that's just the mind I
think there's some degrees. The mindset of the organization too,
is to look at like in Championship Windows, and right
now they're in a championship Windows, So I'm sure like
if this were to somehow really fly off the rails
on Sunday, you know, I'm sure the question in Philadelphia
is gonna be is he good enough to put the
group over the top, which seems obscene because of all
these accomplished but that'll be the man.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
How just like, can you justify that as a fan
base when you've won one? Like I get if it's
the Patriots and you've had like a decade of dominance,
you've won one.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
We're trying to We're trying to put reasonable boundaries.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
I'm just trying to figure out, like why they look
at him and go, no, no, we we demand more,
Like it's not like you, like this is a common occurrence,
like what he's done to start his Eagles coaching career.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Anywhere else in the league it would be lauded, Like
there wouldn't even be a discussion about him being on
the hot seat. It's in another Super Bowl, Like it's
just I don't get.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I mean, I just think it's a product of the
environment there, and like it's.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Just the same fans that want James Franklin out every
single game.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's just the same. It's the same deal.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Like it's never it's never enough, you know, Philadelphia Eagles fans,
Philly fans is just it's never enough, you know, and
those times that they have come up short, they want, Hey,
what are you.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Calling Philly fans miserable people? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Damn No, I'm not saying they're miserable people because I
could throw I could say, you know, even though it
doesn't apply to them, because they're not in any Super bowls,
any Ohio teams, But damn damn, but you could say
the same thing about Ohio State fans as it may
apply to you know, who they choose to cheer for.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm just saying that I know about that.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know about unrealistic, Okay.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
That intensity of wanting your team to win it all
or we want you gone.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
That's just it's just it's a real thing. It is
a real thing.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I mean, I like, I do think you know you
And it sucks because like I feel like when you
talk about the roster the way we talk about, which
is a really great roster, it's almost diminishing what Nick
has accomplished. Which I mean again, like fiery passion or
so much of its optics, don't you the media? I mean, like,
here's here's an example, right, if you do, you like,
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let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I think optics plain to all of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like I'll ask you as this question, what's the indestry
Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
LeVar ones black and white?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (13:00):
But if you but if you yeah, but if you
look at if you look at.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You're saying it's not like there's not a difference.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
There's not a huge difference when you look at them
resumeated to but perceived differently because I think has twice
the optics of it, right, Like you have a guy
who looks like a badass and Mike Tomlin, right, and
then you have Mike McCarthy who looks like the guy
you'd be sitting.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Next to at the bar. You know what I mean. Stuff,
it's from.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Pittsburgh too, Yeah, I know he is, I know, you know,
I think obviously the idea that you can lean on
the fact that he hasn't had a losing season, you know,
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But but what.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I'm saying with what I'm saying with C though, is that.
I do think optics play into it, where people look
at people look at him and it's like, God, this
guy like like, this guy is not in control. He's
all over the place. He had the press conference to
start the you know, his his time there. It's just
I think, like too often we like look at these
things and it's like we make it, We make up
our mind on what a guy is, and we don't
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let it go.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know what I mean. Well, first impressions.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, there's a reason why people always harp on first impressions,
why they's so important because it is.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, but in human nature we.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
All fall victim to that or are guilty of that,
that we look at the first impression with someone and
we tend to form our opinion and never let go
of it. It is what it is. I want to
transition though, to talk about Miles Garrett. I think the
request for a trade isn't surprising. It actually may be
come at a great time for the Browns if they
are trying to figure out their cap and get some
draft picks. You're still hamstrung with Watson being there. What's
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realistic for like what it teams price a price for
the trade, but then also, who is the best.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Suit in your mind?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So a price, I'd say two once that's the baseline.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I think that's where you start, and then you go
up here. Green Bay wants them bad.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, So I think Green Bay is an interesting landing
spot because you already have O Shaan Gary. You can
put them opposite Gary. You've got good d line and
Kenny Clark's there, and.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You're not gonna use first round picks and drap for
wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
We know that, Yeah, I mean, and they and they
are drafting towards the bottom of the first round. Detroit
is the one that really I look at that and
I'm like that, Yeah, like that one. When I look
at that, I just think, like, you look at the roster.
I mean, if you're Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes, youre
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probably look at your roster and he's saying, we might
have like five or six rookies make our team. So
do we really need the draft picks at that scrap point?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Like we we don't need the draft picks we did
two or three years ago. You do have to maneuver
it cap wise, and obviously there's gonna be some guys
you have to pay over the next couple of years.
But if you're talking about like the negative momentum that
the Lions have had over the last three or four
weeks after I mean, what two plus.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Years a positive momentum.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
They lose a really ugly game with the command They
really ugly loss against Commanders, they lose six or seven coaches.
It's like, for the first time they're kind of dealing
with some turmoil. Wouldn't that be a great way to
kind of stamp it and say, no, we're we're still
all in on this group. What's the plan?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Albert Breer, by the way, joining us here live from
radio wrote New Orleans at the Super Bowl. He's wearing
a placard for those of you listening that says star
of Amazon Primes Thursday night football coverage. You can get
him on ex at Albert Breer. What's the plan for
the Raiders at quarterback?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think their plan will be to get a bridge quarterback.
And what I'm interested to see is how much Brady
is able to affect the thinking of Mark Davis here,
because I do think what most people who have worked
there over the years would tell you is he's not
going to be able to keep Mark Davis at bay
and eventually it's going to go back to being the
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way that it was and he's not and Mark isn't
going to be patient. But I mean, before all this,
I can tell you there was a perception that in October.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
In October, uh, you guys want to.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You guys want to sing the fight song?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Rudy, we can if you want, I can sing mine.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh wow, this is Kyle Rudolf. I uh, Rudolf.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Gets astray mine in his own business.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So I can't sing mine.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
No, I don't even remember where I was.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't worry about So.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think one thing that like Tom Brady effect, Yeah,
one thing that'll be interesting there is like I did
hear in October November that they were going to be
under a mandate to take a quarterback in the first round,
Like Mark Davis is gonna mandate them.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Like you have to take one this year? You have
to get it fixed.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Yeah sure, I mean who are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I mean, cam Word or Shoudur is the only two
I think that are.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I like Jackson Dart. I know what he was asked
to do at Old Miss.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Do you like him? Sixth? Overall, though, if I'm going
that far.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I don't like any of these guys really six overall,
Like this is not a class again in comparison to
last year's class, if you're looking at the tape and
how they compare and everything.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Here's the thing though, Like you say that, right, doesn't
that make this a bad year to be under a
mandate to take a quarter of Yes?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yes? Right?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So that's where I think Brady has to help, you know.
And one thing Tom did that I think Tom Tom
talked to the agents and some of the candidates to
try to convince them to interview, and some of the
candidates themselves before the interviews in saying this isn't gonna
be the old Raiders anymore, and that we have these
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investors coming in. We have you know, Egan Durbin and
Mike Melbin and Tom Wagner coming in, and these guys
are big money. You're gonna have resources that they didn't
have here before. This is no longer going to be
a cash for franchise. And I'm not going to put
something embarrassing out there. Look, I'm not going to put
my name on something that's gonna make you succeed. Yeah,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put something like that
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like that out there, so you can count on me
to be a great resource for you and to help
like set the vision here and now. I think it's
gonna be on Tom to stick to that because Tom
isn't gonna be their day to day. Like Tom isn't
gonna be in the building day to day, So like
can he do enough far from far away to change
what that place is day to day? I think that's
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gonna be an open question. But I think I think
to answer to your first question, I think Pete probably
gets a bridge and maybe it's Russell.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Do we have you for two segments? We can't? We okay, sweet,
all right, all right, so we'll take a break.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
We're gonna catch back up with Albert Breer here live
from New Orleans at Radio Row for super Week here
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Coming up in a little over fifteen minutes from now,
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and for that, we're going to have some prop bets
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Speaker 1 (20:36):
Can I follow up on something you're talking about when
you said the Raiders and Tom Brady bringing these guys
who've got this infusion of cash yep, I'm just curious,
and I don't know, maybe just people who are maybe
they're not because this is gonna become more often. It's
gonna happen more and more now with private equity allowed
to invest in these teams.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yep, how exactly does that work? Because I mean, if
you think about people who.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Are investing into a franchise, sure clearly want to turn
on their money, but are they putting it in saying
like we know that this cash, Like, if we're investing
here in February, it's going.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
To go right out the door at the start of.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
The new league year for free agency to help them
build up this roster and try to go win a
Super Bowl or be competitive. Is that, in essence kind
of how it's gonna I think that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Like, and I think you know, so the Raiders are
a little unique in that they've been cut up a
bunch of ways already. Now a lot of people don't
know this, but the actual owner of the Raiders isn't
Mark Davis, is his mom. His mom's in her nineties,
and so part of selling off pieces of the team
is to prepare for the estate taxes, and so they're
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trying to set it up where he has a base
of capital that's going to come from selling off pieces
of the team and the estate state taxes are going
to be minimized, which will happen because he'll own less.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Of the team. But then I'm not going to take
it back over.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
He's going to take over the majority once again because
he's going to inherit that.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
From No he's no, no, no, he's selling off those people.
So he's getting down that the minimum that the minimum
for the NFL rules is like that the minimum the
majority owner can have is thirty percent or something, so
like I don't know if he's at thirty percent, but
he's getting close now, like they're right there. And so
by selling off pieces of the team, he's building up
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some capital to deal with the estate taxes. And there's
also in feuseome cash into their ability to spend, and
those guys are continuing to invest in the team too,
Like those guys are sports guys. I believe Egan Durbin
is on the board for Manchester City, so he's been
down this road before.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So he understands that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Which, by the way, like a lot of those minds
that come from Europe, especially in soccer, you know, they
understand how to get a team from obviously because that's
who's been them. Yeah, it's huge money and it's there
is a formula to it. I mean, look, I'm a
part of the forty nine ers group that's doing it
right now.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It leads, Yeah, it leads the top of that table.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's looking at it promoted so by trust me, Like
this is a real thing. Yeah, I'm going to see
more and more as private equity comes to the nishure.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
And like tom adies business partner, Tom Wagner owns Birmingham.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
City so yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
So they're involved in sports and so I think this
is to me like yes, like this plays into that
whole thing about like how can we create some more
capital to work with. But these are also guys that
are very involved in sports and understand it and have
a passion for it. And so you know, I think
Tom has been a very powerful I think lure to
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get some big money in there and look like part
of it for these guys too as they look at
it and they say Vegas is a growing market, first
class practice facility, first class stadium.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, you're like, what.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Else could the capital be going to. I mean, everything's new,
everything's nice. It's like it has to be going the roster, right,
what else do they need?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Right? Because they don't.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I mean, like they really didn't pay for the stadium,
you know what I mean. Like, so like it's just
it's a it's a great business situation for one of
those guys to come in and invest in. And that's
without even getting to the fact that it's an Conic brand,
you know what I mean, which is real value there too.
Curious about this.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
We were talking earlier about Belichick making an impact in
North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Obviously we're talking about the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
There was a story that came out I think it
was Florio who said that Belichick was upset that the
Raiders hired Pete Carroll. And this isn't so specific to
the Raiders. But I'm curious, because you know this from
working in Boston as.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Long as you have.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
How many interviews did Bill Belichick actually get the past
two years?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Was it just the Falcons?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Wow, So I think this and I think it's unbelievable too.
But I think it's I mean, like I think part
of it is like what kept Vrabel out last year,
which is I think a lot of these owners just
want to have a happy environment. They're building as simple
and stupid as that sounds. And you know they hear
these stories of a coach coming in and walking all
over everybody. I mean, I know what Mike would tell
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you if you told him like, oh, you walked all
over everybody in Tennessee, he would have been like, we'll
ask my players how they felt about Yeah, because plays right,
like but because this department didn't own or that or
that department didn't want to feel included, you know what
I mean? Like so, and I mean in Atlanta, I mean,
and this is an interesting piece of it too. In Atlanta,
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I think he had that job. Like he had that job.
They brought him on the yacht, like Arthur Blank had
made everybody else go through this interview process that didn't
involve Arthur Blank at all. Meanwhile Arthur Blank is flying
Bill down to the Caribbean and having his interview one
on one on the yacht. Okay, so Bill, I think
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Bill had that job. I think what happened there?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You think they were in swim trunks with you know,
with like the was or was it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It wasn't Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy having Pilloton.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The pick swim trunks with baby blue sells.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
On them, notre dame guys. I guess a want y'all
played for it? Huh you go to bus right there. Yeah,
we're well spoken individuals.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
True, that is very true.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
It was.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
But what happened in Atlanta, I mean, a couple of
people got worried that Bill was going to get the job,
and then they went they went in and they convinced
everyone in the building that if Bill comes in, you're
all going to be gone and everybody's gonna be fired.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And then Arthur.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Blank starts going around and pulling people on what they think,
and it was like, not Belichick, don't don't make a Belichick.
And the alternative was a guy and I and I
love Raheem right like, but the alternative was a guy
who they all knew because he had been there. And
if you've ever spent five minutes around Raheem Morris, you
you love them so like all these people in this
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building were looking at it and they'd just been told,
if Bill comes here, you're gonna be fired, and then
the alternative is this great guy, and like, you know,
I think that that like that in Atlanta was what
got you to Raheem Morris now out how the greatest
coach of all time can't land a job. It's just why,
I mean, why Jacksonville, Why Jacksonville wouldn't flip the keys
to him?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Okay, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Like, can I go back to the decision of the
Raiders to hire Pete Carroll?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
He's a year older, yep. I mean he's a contemporary
to Bill. And I'm just sitting there wondering, you have
the Tom Brady connection. You've talked about how influential he
was in the interview process. How does that not make anything? Yeah,
so Tom has like I know Tom is, He's not
going to have to maybe potentially fire him at some point.
Is like that element of it.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
So one thing, one thing someone put on my radar
early on was this is going to be somebody that
Tom respects, and so like that's I think that the
Pete and Pete in Spags, that's why the I mean
he respects Bill, right, So he does. But is that
a tough sell in that building that just got done
with Josh McDaniels. And I think there was like some
element of that, And I think there was some element
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of Tom wanting to do his own thing.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
And is that an issue what relation of what they
represented it because I brought that up as a point,
but maybe I was off on on that point in
terms of the relation between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick
and what that represented in terms of it's legacy.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, the legacy play of it all. If if
it goes well.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Does that become a conversation of oh, here we go again,
who's the reason, what's who's the real reason why the
franchise is doing better now?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Or you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Like because it always yeah, I mean I think they'll
wants to coach in the league, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But that wouldn't You don't see that becoming like an
issue being in Yes.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
It could be, It could be, It could It could
complicate things for sure. I think in the end, like Pete,
I think what that Raiders organization needed with somebody that
just changed the face of everything. And he's a culture
and Pete's got and Pete's got proof of concept on that,
like and I and I think here's the other thing.
It's like one thing I like, having talked to a
(28:56):
couple of people who know Pete really well, what they
told me is he did a lot of the stuff
that he did between the Patriots and USC right like
that year he was out when he went and he
met with John Wooden and kind of all right, I'm
gonna like here's what I'm going to lean into. And
one of the things that, like from what I understand
that came across, like some advice he took from some
people was have somebody on your staff that's going to
(29:19):
be ready to take over, Like put somebody on there
who could be the next is that ship. It could
be Chip, it could be Pat Graham could So you
have you have a couple of guys there and Chip
somebody that Brady is another guy Brady respects because Chip,
and this is really getting into the weeds. But Chip
worked on with Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels on on
changing the Patriots offense.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
People forget like that he took that from Oregon that
he came out and consulted and then they started doing
it a bunch and then and spreading things out more too.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Right, So I mean, like, so like I think what
quarterback out there does it? It's not We talked about
this in the last segment. The whole mandate to draft
the quarterback You're not going to get a quarterback in
this draft that's going to change the fortunes of this
team immediately.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I don't see that. Is it a Kirk Cousins wis
is that? What is that? Do it? Is that?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
What it is? Do you go with Russell Wilson? Think
it could be? I mean that is the bridge quarterback.
I think it could be.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Like I I think all things are sort of on
the table right now. I mean, we don't know if
Matthew Stafford is going to be available. You know what
I know? Did you tweet about that saying them about that?
I said something about it about like like no onebody
into a wild headline.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Crazy you talk about it, because yeah, I think there's
a there's like the foregone conclusion he wants to stay
in LA's gonna finish his career in LA.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't say it's a four gun conclusion.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well no, no, but I think people think them the outside,
like to your point of whatever you set out on X,
there is a thought that like, he's not one of
those guys that could be in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
They still have to they still have a lot to
work out. There, you know what I mean? Look, they
they so how.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
At this point? I mean, he's won a super Bowl
for him, it was a right, it was money.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Well, so it was a rough negotiation last year. And
I don't think he's playing on the number that's on
his contract right now. Okay, so I think, can't we
look that up? Well, So what they did was they
move five million from four million from this year, one
million from next year into twenty twenty four, guaranteed all
of it, and then removed all the guarantees from twenty
twenty five and agreed to revisit it after the season.
(31:20):
Which is the point we're at now. They've got a
lot of young players in that team.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Who negotiates that is that, it's not McVeigh, He's not
any part of that.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Sean wants to keep.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Sean wants to be Sean wants to keep him, and shot,
that's gonna les. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be
Tony the Steers and Kevin Demoff and those guys. I
thought was yeah, like so like like what is what
is Matthew Stafford looking for?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
What is he asking for?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And if say the Steelers come along and offer a
first round pick.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Do you have to think about it?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Because now you've got a really young roster, right Like,
now you you've got a bunch of twenty three twenty
four year olds that you think you're gonna be able
to count on for the next five or six years.
You know, like they've gotten really they've quietly gotten really young.
But yeah, I mean Puka Nakua, you know, Byron Young.
You know, obviously Jared Vers might be defensive Rookie of
(32:09):
the Year, brave, like Kobe Turner, like they're they're really
they're really in a position where they could build for
the next five, six, seven years. So if you're them
and somebody offers you the first round pick, do you
look at it and say, all.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Right, So, like, do we take the pick?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Maybe go sign Sam Darnold as a bridge quarterback who's
from Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Playing played in the system, played in the system.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And he holds the fort while we look for, you know,
our next version of Matthew.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
That would be a cheaper option than what Stafford's looking
for at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, And here's the other thing with Stafford is Stafford,
if you are looking at that group, right, and I
think this is part of the equation. If you are
looking at that group of players, you're year to year
with Stafford now, and that's part of it too. It's
like you have to consider it. It's like, Okay, if
we're going to pay you fifty million dollars or whatever
it is for this year and guarantee it, can we
count on you in twenty twenty six? Or are we
(33:02):
right back here again spinning our wheels and now maybe
we're in a worst position a year from now because
we want.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
The extra year.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Or do you look at and say, we're close enough
to a championship where we can push our chips all
in and not worry about any of that. I don't
know that they're that close, you know what I mean? Like,
that's I think that's a question that they got to look.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
In the mirror and answer.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
He is the great Albert Breer with us here. Always fun.
It's a yearly tradition. We get to catch up with
Albert and four in the.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Morning this Oh yeah, it's sure, we'll be there.
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Right now, it's time for this.
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Time to find out what's left.
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Speaker 1 (35:01):
What hey, there's never been a better time to have
you on it.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
That's quickly about.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
I'm not thinking any questions about the chiefs.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Ask you.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
They always show favored you as a as a broadcaster too,
so I do have some favorite to the.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Best dress and I don't know Dean Blandino needs to
figure out your wardrobe because you are the best dress.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I'll tell you what he looks strong always real quick.
I do want to ask you, because we talked about
this earlier and you know this better than anyone.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Did the officials feel extra pressure because of all the
conversation around whether the Chiefs have got an advantage or not, whatever?
But did they feel the additional pressure in this matchup
because of the narrative that's that's following them now?
Speaker 8 (35:51):
You'd like to say they don't read the newspapers and
They don't go on social media and read stuff, but
they do, and so they will. They'll feel more pressure
because they're there's been so much heat. It's not going
to affect the way they officiate, but they know that
if they make you a call that again goes the
Chiefs way, that's going to be that chatter that's going
to be out there. So I think they understand the
(36:12):
magnitude of it, not just of the seven of them
on the field, but of one hundred and thirty eight
officials in the league period, right, And they don't want
to be the story. I mean, going throughout this whole playoffs,
they've been the story. And so their goal is to
sneak out of the game Sunday and not be talked about.
(36:33):
But like I say, they won't. Nobody's going to tell them.
I mean, nobody from the league office is going to
tell them, hey, be careful of this, or be careful
of this, or don't call it. That's like, that's like
a little bit ludicrous if you're an official, because that
never happens. Nobody ever said when I was on the field,
They never told me that. When I was ahead of
the officiating for twelve years, I never said that, so
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that's not going to happen, but they are going to
feel the pressure.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Mikes that get the calls are always fans of the refs.
The fans that don't get the calls are always the
biggest critics of the refs. Looking at it in the
way these the rule changes have been implemented and a
part of the game. Now, how much has that played
a part in terms of how the refs are able
(37:21):
to ref.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
The games and manage the games. That's a really good question.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
If you remember two years ago the Philly Kansas City
game with the defensive holding call at the end that
really didn't look like much and in my opinion, you
know a lot, it was talked about a lot afterwards.
If it wasn't called, nobody would have said a word, right,
But yet the league changed its perspective, you know back
in my day where they said any grab of the jersey,
(37:49):
any grab of the jersey is a foul.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
And I remember I objected.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
I really objected, because the whole philosophy of officiating has
been advantaged disadvantage. So if somebody he does something that's
not related to player safety, but if they do something
that doesn't create an advantage, then let it gold. And
in that particular case, that was an example. There was
a grab of the jersey. You couldn't see it from
the backside of it, but there was a little grab.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
But it didn't take a step away. It didn't take
a step away.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
But that's where we are in this offensive game a
little bit, you know, as Richard Sherman told me one
time after he chewed me out for saying on radio
that he had lost a step or two. But he
told me, if his kid wants to play football, he's
going to tell him to play offense. Oh he defense
has gotten so difficult to.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Play Micah real quick and we only got about twenty seconds.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Very hard.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
But the tracking of the football, the technology they're trying
to implement, how close are we to having that?
Speaker 8 (38:50):
I don't think we're close until we want to put
chips in Brady's you know, Quinn's elbows and knees so
when they push him, which would take a lot of
guys to push him in the end zone. Yeah, but
until we get to that, I just don't see it happen.
We can't make it perfect. We just can't make this
game perfect. From an officiating standpoint, or a player's standpoint
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or a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
It never happened.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
But you're you're, You're Britney damn close to perfect.
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Yeah and he is here, folks. Great the powerful the
magnificent Albert.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Up last champion.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, I gotta give him props. It can't be a
Michigan but national champion years.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
It's so good by wait, abkme in banged up like
like leek, I'm just saying, okay, you're the competition going on.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It used to be that I would come and banged
up because of the night before. Now that I'm in
my forties, I came in banged up because I used
the hotel razor was always a mistake. The left minor
is leak. It is leaking, and that's why I have this.
And I went for a run this morning.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
So you got Albert will go for a run before
he comes on the show.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You generally come in, which are you're running? Gear on?
I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
But this is actually a little better because the last
couple we've been a West coast.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, it's way earlier. It's way earlier.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, those West Coast ones are tough, man like,
that's every day for you.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well, by the way, you were selling us on New
Orleans for the host city of the Super Bowl permanently
are you have you been.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Overwhelmed or underwhelm? I love it here it's great. Do
you hate it? You can't stand it? What I mean,
I will say the people are great.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The people its just the snipple are black and miles
and well.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
People do love black and mouths out here. Man, it's
a distinct smell. I walk right black and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Mouth or is everywhere everywhere?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
My every hotel, my room doesn't smell off. So is
that a'll smoke, but like the hallway, the elevator everywhere, But.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It's like every city smells like No, it's legal everywhere,
and it's it's it's not like that in every city
a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh yeah, well, I mean that's I mean, listen, you
walk around Venice and you'll just see sleeping bags and drugs.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's really what Venn said.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Like the weed doctors like twenty years ago, so it's
like not new there.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, they're like advanced.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
It's like the whole vaping came to there soon.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah. I just told yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
So, Albert, as we approach this game coming up on Sunday,
are you getting a vibe.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
One way or the other, a lean one way or
the other.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Is there something that hasn't been discussed that you think
could be a major.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Factor for this I mean the Chiefs just seem so
tremendously loose, you know what I mean. But that's the
first thing just being around them is that you can
kind of feel that they're so comfortable in this environment,
and you know, it's just kind of like, I don't know.
The reason why I picked the Chiefs to win the
game is because I think this is a close enough matchup.
I think the Eagles have better roster, but I think
(04:02):
this is a close enough matchup where it's probably gonna
come down to the last five minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And if it comes down to the.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Last five minutes, how do you how do you not
how do you not like just put your push your
chips in the middle of the table on him, I.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Like waiver back and forth with it for some of
the reasons you just made. And I think ultimately though,
I come down to I guess Patrick Mahomes becoming that
guy now that you just believe that, well, it's gonna
it's like a game, So the Chief's gonna win because
we know Patrick Mahomes will make a plan. Then I
don't know though, because the roster deals what sticks out
to me like, I don't think the Chiefs can be
(04:37):
able to stop Philly running football.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well, I mean, like, but I think what you're gonna see,
And I've talked to some of their guys on this,
like how it's just you have you have a defensive
coordinator who really knows what he's doing. You've got a
bunch of versatile pieces and one thing one thing, and
you guys can you guys can do much better job
breaking this down than me. But like, like Segnolo is
(05:00):
not going to sit in one front and say like, yes,
we're gonna beat you. We're gonna be able to go
toe to toe with you and beat you man to man,
and you know, I think you're gonna see them change
their front to bottom bunch. I think Leo Chanal is
a huge part of the games because he can do
a bunch of different things and they can move him around.
And I think, like, you know, I look at like
(05:22):
Josh Allen last week. So one of the big things
that came up when I've been talking to coaches and
scouts about this the matchup itself, and guys that have
played both teams, what they what they've said to me
pretty consistently is you have to beat Saquan and first down,
they have to beat Jalen on second down, because what
happens is that if you can get him into second
and long, that's where Jalen uses his legs and then
they turn second along to third and short and they're
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almost unstoppable and short yardage. So I just look at
last week against the Bills. Did Josh Allen kill him.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
With their legs with his legs? No?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
No, no, you know, like and they were able to
win in short yardage and I just feel like they
killed themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And this is different animal though, No I know, but
I mean everybody, but I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I'm talking about like in that if you can beat
if you can stop Saquan on first down, which takes
a big gift, right, it's a big gift, but if
you but if you can do that on first down,
then it's Jalen on second down, Elijah. And we've seen
what they can do once, we've seen what they can
do on second we've seen what they can do against
a mobile quarterback. So like, I don't know, I just
looked at it like this is one of the best
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defensive coordinators of all time when it comes to winning
in big games and game planning and big games.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And I just know it's Mahome.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean, yeah, I mean at this I think Spagnola's
ability it's I think the Spagnola is gonna find a
way to put the ball in Jalen Hurt's hands and
say you have to beat us the pocket, which was
phenomenally throwing the ball, throwing the ball down the field
and like one, you know, like you're gonna have We're
gonna put pressure on you and you're gonna have to
throw under pressure down the field from the pocket and
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if you can beat us like that, God bless you.
But I I just I think Spagnola is gonna find
a way to do. Now you're I'm so I did
on this one.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I really am. I'm torn And.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like maybe it's like the familarity effect. I want to
ask you since we're here in New Orleans. Yeah, they
haven't hired a head coach yet, it seems like the
worst kept secret this point kill him.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, right, So how.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Does that factor into this game at all?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
In your mind?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But then also just for Saints fans, you know, what
do they have to look forward to?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You know, I'm really impressed with like the maturation of
Callen because Kellen was kind of like I think he
was sort of like plucked as Jerry Jones's next version
of Jason Garrett. You know, like he was a player there,
they led him into the coaching meetings when he was
still playing. They viewed him that way. They pushed him
through the system. He's eventually going to be the head
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coach the Cowboys, and then it didn't work out that way.
And you know, I think the year getting fired in
Los Angeles, being part of the staff there and now
coming to Philly, I think has really kind of rounded
him out as a coach. And you know, one thing
that was another thing that came up when we were
when I was talking to you know, different guys from
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different teams that have played both these teams, is how
you know, Kansas City's pretty complex and Philly's pretty simple.
And I thought that was interesting and I talked to
a few of their coaches about it. How Like last
year when Kellen came in, like he they as a
staff went over every game from the last three years,
every game Nick Siriani's coach there, and looked at the
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offense and decided what they wanted to keep and what
they wanted to throw out.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And they incorporate stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Kellen's doing and to go from having like this massive
amount of information and concepts and scheme and all these
guys from different backgrounds and then be able to synthesize
it down and manage the egos of coaches who maybe
thought they should have been the coordinator, you know what
I mean, Like, I think that's I think there's a
lot of head coach stuff there, you know what I mean,
Like what Kellen had to do coming in and managing
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that situation, managing expectations, getting the most out of a quarterback,
like so many things that I think he is going
to have to do as a head coach. He was
asked to do in Philly, and I think it showed
that he learned from his failures in Dallas and Los
Angeles and pulling it off.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Maybe the narrative coming into this season for Philly and
for Sirianni kind of had him on the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it that?
Speaker 6 (09:14):
And it had the conversational points of mutiny, you know,
like we we don't believe in them, we don't you know,
whatever it may be, there's issues with him. What is
he forty eight and twenty now all he's done is won. Yeah,
and now they're back in the Super Bowl. Does a
win or a loss do anything to deteriorate what he's
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been able to accomplish this season?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, I like I would say if he was
coaching anywhere except Philly, No, but Philly's a different animal.
I Mean, it's just it's unbelievable if you think about it,
like he took over a four win team, and yes,
they had injuries and they sort of tanked the end
of the year, But if you really think about it,
like he took over a four win team that was
about to go through a quarterback change because they were
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going from Carson Wentz, it hurts then. And like I
just like look at like the the body of work,
and it's really good. But again, like I think the
way Philly and I can understand this too. I think
the way that Philadelphia the fan base is going to
look at it is, well, we have this great group
of players, and if you don't win, are we missing
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our window?
Speaker 8 (10:19):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And I think that that's that's just the mind I
think there's some degrees. The mindset of the organization too,
is to look at like in Championship Windows, and right
now they're in a championship Windows, So I'm sure like
if this were to somehow really fly off the rails
on Sunday, you know, I'm sure the question in Philadelphia
is gonna be is he good enough to put the
group over the top, which seems obscene because of all
these accomplished but that'll be the man.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
How just like, can you justify that as a fan
base when you've won one? Like I get if it's
the Patriots and you've had like a decade of dominance,
you've won one.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
We're trying to We're trying to put reasonable boundaries.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
I'm just trying to figure out, like why they look
at him and go, no, no, we we demand more,
Like it's not like you, like this is a common occurrence,
like what he's done to start his Eagles coaching career.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Anywhere else in the league it would be lauded, Like
there wouldn't even be a discussion about him being on
the hot seat. It's in another Super Bowl, Like it's
just I don't get.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I mean, I just think it's a product of the
environment there, and like it's.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Just the same fans that want James Franklin out every
single game.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's just the same. It's the same deal.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Like it's never it's never enough, you know, Philadelphia Eagles fans,
Philly fans is just it's never enough, you know, and
those times that they have come up short, they want, Hey,
what are you.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Calling Philly fans miserable people? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Damn No, I'm not saying they're miserable people because I
could throw I could say, you know, even though it
doesn't apply to them, because they're not in any Super bowls,
any Ohio teams, But damn damn, but you could say
the same thing about Ohio State fans as it may
apply to you know, who they choose to cheer for.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm just saying that I know about that.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know about unrealistic, Okay.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
That intensity of wanting your team to win it all
or we want you gone.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
That's just it's just it's a real thing. It is
a real thing.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I mean, I like, I do think you know you
And it sucks because like I feel like when you
talk about the roster the way we talk about, which
is a really great roster, it's almost diminishing what Nick
has accomplished. Which I mean again, like fiery passion or
so much of its optics, don't you the media? I mean, like,
here's here's an example, right, if you do, you like,
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let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I think optics plain to all of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like I'll ask you as this question, what's the indestry
Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
LeVar ones black and white?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (13:00):
But if you but if you yeah, but if you
look at if you look at.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You're saying it's not like there's not a difference.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
There's not a huge difference when you look at them
resumeated to but perceived differently because I think has twice
the optics of it, right, Like you have a guy
who looks like a badass and Mike Tomlin, right, and
then you have Mike McCarthy who looks like the guy
you'd be sitting.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Next to at the bar. You know what I mean. Stuff,
it's from.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Pittsburgh too, Yeah, I know he is, I know, you know,
I think obviously the idea that you can lean on
the fact that he hasn't had a losing season, you know,
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But but what.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I'm saying with what I'm saying with C though, is that.
I do think optics play into it, where people look
at people look at him and it's like, God, this
guy like like, this guy is not in control. He's
all over the place. He had the press conference to
start the you know, his his time there. It's just
I think, like too often we like look at these
things and it's like we make it, We make up
our mind on what a guy is, and we don't
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let it go.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know what I mean. Well, first impressions.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, there's a reason why people always harp on first impressions,
why they's so important because it is.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, but in human nature we.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
All fall victim to that or are guilty of that,
that we look at the first impression with someone and
we tend to form our opinion and never let go
of it. It is what it is. I want to
transition though, to talk about Miles Garrett. I think the
request for a trade isn't surprising. It actually may be
come at a great time for the Browns if they
are trying to figure out their cap and get some
draft picks. You're still hamstrung with Watson being there. What's
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realistic for like what it teams price a price for
the trade, but then also, who is the best.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Suit in your mind?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So a price, I'd say two once that's the baseline.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I think that's where you start, and then you go
up here. Green Bay wants them bad.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, So I think Green Bay is an interesting landing
spot because you already have O Shaan Gary. You can
put them opposite Gary. You've got good d line and
Kenny Clark's there, and.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You're not gonna use first round picks and drap for
wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
We know that, Yeah, I mean, and they and they
are drafting towards the bottom of the first round. Detroit
is the one that really I look at that and
I'm like that, Yeah, like that one. When I look
at that, I just think, like, you look at the roster.
I mean, if you're Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes, youre
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probably look at your roster and he's saying, we might
have like five or six rookies make our team. So
do we really need the draft picks at that scrap point?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Like we we don't need the draft picks we did
two or three years ago. You do have to maneuver
it cap wise, and obviously there's gonna be some guys
you have to pay over the next couple of years.
But if you're talking about like the negative momentum that
the Lions have had over the last three or four
weeks after I mean, what two plus.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Years a positive momentum.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
They lose a really ugly game with the command They
really ugly loss against Commanders, they lose six or seven coaches.
It's like, for the first time they're kind of dealing
with some turmoil. Wouldn't that be a great way to
kind of stamp it and say, no, we're we're still
all in on this group. What's the plan?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Albert Breer, by the way, joining us here live from
radio wrote New Orleans at the Super Bowl. He's wearing
a placard for those of you listening that says star
of Amazon Primes Thursday night football coverage. You can get
him on ex at Albert Breer. What's the plan for
the Raiders at quarterback?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think their plan will be to get a bridge quarterback.
And what I'm interested to see is how much Brady
is able to affect the thinking of Mark Davis here,
because I do think what most people who have worked
there over the years would tell you is he's not
going to be able to keep Mark Davis at bay
and eventually it's going to go back to being the
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way that it was and he's not and Mark isn't
going to be patient. But I mean, before all this,
I can tell you there was a perception that in October.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
In October, uh, you guys want to.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You guys want to sing the fight song?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Rudy, we can if you want, I can sing mine.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh wow, this is Kyle Rudolf. I uh, Rudolf.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Gets astray mine in his own business.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So I can't sing mine.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
No, I don't even remember where I was.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't worry about So.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think one thing that like Tom Brady effect, Yeah,
one thing that'll be interesting there is like I did
hear in October November that they were going to be
under a mandate to take a quarterback in the first round,
Like Mark Davis is gonna mandate them.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Like you have to take one this year? You have
to get it fixed.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Yeah sure, I mean who are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I mean, cam Word or Shoudur is the only two
I think that are.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I like Jackson Dart. I know what he was asked
to do at Old Miss.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Do you like him? Sixth? Overall, though, if I'm going
that far.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I don't like any of these guys really six overall,
Like this is not a class again in comparison to
last year's class, if you're looking at the tape and
how they compare and everything.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Here's the thing though, Like you say that, right, doesn't
that make this a bad year to be under a
mandate to take a quarter of Yes?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yes? Right?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So that's where I think Brady has to help, you know.
And one thing Tom did that I think Tom Tom
talked to the agents and some of the candidates to
try to convince them to interview, and some of the
candidates themselves before the interviews in saying this isn't gonna
be the old Raiders anymore, and that we have these
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investors coming in. We have you know, Egan Durbin and
Mike Melbin and Tom Wagner coming in, and these guys
are big money. You're gonna have resources that they didn't
have here before. This is no longer going to be
a cash for franchise. And I'm not going to put
something embarrassing out there. Look, I'm not going to put
my name on something that's gonna make you succeed. Yeah,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put something like that
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like that out there, so you can count on me
to be a great resource for you and to help
like set the vision here and now. I think it's
gonna be on Tom to stick to that because Tom
isn't gonna be their day to day. Like Tom isn't
gonna be in the building day to day, So like
can he do enough far from far away to change
what that place is day to day? I think that's
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gonna be an open question. But I think I think
to answer to your first question, I think Pete probably
gets a bridge and maybe it's Russell.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Do we have you for two segments? We can't? We okay, sweet,
all right, all right, so we'll take a break.
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Speaker 1 (20:36):
Can I follow up on something you're talking about when
you said the Raiders and Tom Brady bringing these guys
who've got this infusion of cash yep, I'm just curious,
and I don't know, maybe just people who are maybe
they're not because this is gonna become more often. It's
gonna happen more and more now with private equity allowed
to invest in these teams.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yep, how exactly does that work? Because I mean, if
you think about people who.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Are investing into a franchise, sure clearly want to turn
on their money, but are they putting it in saying
like we know that this cash, Like, if we're investing
here in February, it's going.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
To go right out the door at the start of.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
The new league year for free agency to help them
build up this roster and try to go win a
Super Bowl or be competitive. Is that, in essence kind
of how it's gonna I think that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Like, and I think you know, so the Raiders are
a little unique in that they've been cut up a
bunch of ways already. Now a lot of people don't
know this, but the actual owner of the Raiders isn't
Mark Davis, is his mom. His mom's in her nineties,
and so part of selling off pieces of the team
is to prepare for the estate taxes, and so they're
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trying to set it up where he has a base
of capital that's going to come from selling off pieces
of the team and the estate state taxes are going
to be minimized, which will happen because he'll own less.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Of the team. But then I'm not going to take
it back over.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
He's going to take over the majority once again because
he's going to inherit that.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
From No he's no, no, no, he's selling off those people.
So he's getting down that the minimum that the minimum
for the NFL rules is like that the minimum the
majority owner can have is thirty percent or something, so
like I don't know if he's at thirty percent, but
he's getting close now, like they're right there. And so
by selling off pieces of the team, he's building up
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some capital to deal with the estate taxes. And there's
also in feuseome cash into their ability to spend, and
those guys are continuing to invest in the team too,
Like those guys are sports guys. I believe Egan Durbin
is on the board for Manchester City, so he's been
down this road before.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So he understands that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Which, by the way, like a lot of those minds
that come from Europe, especially in soccer, you know, they
understand how to get a team from obviously because that's
who's been them. Yeah, it's huge money and it's there
is a formula to it. I mean, look, I'm a
part of the forty nine ers group that's doing it
right now.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It leads, Yeah, it leads the top of that table.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's looking at it promoted so by trust me, Like
this is a real thing. Yeah, I'm going to see
more and more as private equity comes to the nishure.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
And like tom adies business partner, Tom Wagner owns Birmingham.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
City so yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
So they're involved in sports and so I think this
is to me like yes, like this plays into that
whole thing about like how can we create some more
capital to work with. But these are also guys that
are very involved in sports and understand it and have
a passion for it. And so you know, I think
Tom has been a very powerful I think lure to
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get some big money in there and look like part
of it for these guys too as they look at
it and they say Vegas is a growing market, first
class practice facility, first class stadium.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, you're like, what.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Else could the capital be going to. I mean, everything's new,
everything's nice. It's like it has to be going the roster, right,
what else do they need?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Right? Because they don't.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I mean, like they really didn't pay for the stadium,
you know what I mean. Like, so like it's just
it's a it's a great business situation for one of
those guys to come in and invest in. And that's
without even getting to the fact that it's an Conic brand,
you know what I mean, which is real value there too.
Curious about this.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
We were talking earlier about Belichick making an impact in
North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Obviously we're talking about the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
There was a story that came out I think it
was Florio who said that Belichick was upset that the
Raiders hired Pete Carroll. And this isn't so specific to
the Raiders. But I'm curious, because you know this from
working in Boston as.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Long as you have.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
How many interviews did Bill Belichick actually get the past
two years?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Was it just the Falcons?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Wow, So I think this and I think it's unbelievable too.
But I think it's I mean, like I think part
of it is like what kept Vrabel out last year,
which is I think a lot of these owners just
want to have a happy environment. They're building as simple
and stupid as that sounds. And you know they hear
these stories of a coach coming in and walking all
over everybody. I mean, I know what Mike would tell
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you if you told him like, oh, you walked all
over everybody in Tennessee, he would have been like, we'll
ask my players how they felt about Yeah, because plays right,
like but because this department didn't own or that or
that department didn't want to feel included, you know what
I mean? Like so, and I mean in Atlanta, I mean,
and this is an interesting piece of it too. In Atlanta,
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I think he had that job. Like he had that job.
They brought him on the yacht, like Arthur Blank had
made everybody else go through this interview process that didn't
involve Arthur Blank at all. Meanwhile Arthur Blank is flying
Bill down to the Caribbean and having his interview one
on one on the yacht. Okay, so Bill, I think
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Bill had that job. I think what happened there?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You think they were in swim trunks with you know,
with like the was or was it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It wasn't Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy having Pilloton.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The pick swim trunks with baby blue sells.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
On them, notre dame guys. I guess a want y'all
played for it? Huh you go to bus right there. Yeah,
we're well spoken individuals.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
True, that is very true.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
It was.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
But what happened in Atlanta, I mean, a couple of
people got worried that Bill was going to get the job,
and then they went they went in and they convinced
everyone in the building that if Bill comes in, you're
all going to be gone and everybody's gonna be fired.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And then Arthur.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Blank starts going around and pulling people on what they think,
and it was like, not Belichick, don't don't make a Belichick.
And the alternative was a guy and I and I
love Raheem right like, but the alternative was a guy
who they all knew because he had been there. And
if you've ever spent five minutes around Raheem Morris, you
you love them so like all these people in this
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building were looking at it and they'd just been told,
if Bill comes here, you're gonna be fired, and then
the alternative is this great guy, and like, you know,
I think that that like that in Atlanta was what
got you to Raheem Morris now out how the greatest
coach of all time can't land a job. It's just why,
I mean, why Jacksonville, Why Jacksonville wouldn't flip the keys
to him?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Okay, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Like, can I go back to the decision of the
Raiders to hire Pete Carroll?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
He's a year older, yep. I mean he's a contemporary
to Bill. And I'm just sitting there wondering, you have
the Tom Brady connection. You've talked about how influential he
was in the interview process. How does that not make anything? Yeah,
so Tom has like I know Tom is, He's not
going to have to maybe potentially fire him at some point.
Is like that element of it.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
So one thing, one thing someone put on my radar
early on was this is going to be somebody that
Tom respects, and so like that's I think that the
Pete and Pete in Spags, that's why the I mean
he respects Bill, right, So he does. But is that
a tough sell in that building that just got done
with Josh McDaniels. And I think there was like some
element of that, And I think there was some element
(27:50):
of Tom wanting to do his own thing.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
And is that an issue what relation of what they
represented it because I brought that up as a point,
but maybe I was off on on that point in
terms of the relation between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick
and what that represented in terms of it's legacy.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, the legacy play of it all. If if
it goes well.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Does that become a conversation of oh, here we go again,
who's the reason, what's who's the real reason why the
franchise is doing better now?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Or you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Like because it always yeah, I mean I think they'll
wants to coach in the league, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But that wouldn't You don't see that becoming like an
issue being in Yes.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
It could be, It could be, It could It could
complicate things for sure. I think in the end, like Pete,
I think what that Raiders organization needed with somebody that
just changed the face of everything. And he's a culture
and Pete's got and Pete's got proof of concept on that,
like and I and I think here's the other thing.
It's like one thing I like, having talked to a
(28:56):
couple of people who know Pete really well, what they
told me is he did a lot of the stuff
that he did between the Patriots and USC right like
that year he was out when he went and he
met with John Wooden and kind of all right, I'm
gonna like here's what I'm going to lean into. And
one of the things that, like from what I understand
that came across, like some advice he took from some
people was have somebody on your staff that's going to
(29:19):
be ready to take over, Like put somebody on there
who could be the next is that ship. It could
be Chip, it could be Pat Graham could So you
have you have a couple of guys there and Chip
somebody that Brady is another guy Brady respects because Chip,
and this is really getting into the weeds. But Chip
worked on with Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels on on
changing the Patriots offense.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
People forget like that he took that from Oregon that
he came out and consulted and then they started doing
it a bunch and then and spreading things out more too.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Right, So I mean, like, so like I think what
quarterback out there does it? It's not We talked about
this in the last segment. The whole mandate to draft
the quarterback You're not going to get a quarterback in
this draft that's going to change the fortunes of this
team immediately.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I don't see that. Is it a Kirk Cousins wis
is that? What is that? Do it? Is that?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
What it is? Do you go with Russell Wilson? Think
it could be? I mean that is the bridge quarterback.
I think it could be.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Like I I think all things are sort of on
the table right now. I mean, we don't know if
Matthew Stafford is going to be available. You know what
I know? Did you tweet about that saying them about that?
I said something about it about like like no onebody
into a wild headline.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Crazy you talk about it, because yeah, I think there's
a there's like the foregone conclusion he wants to stay
in LA's gonna finish his career in LA.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't say it's a four gun conclusion.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well no, no, but I think people think them the outside,
like to your point of whatever you set out on X,
there is a thought that like, he's not one of
those guys that could be in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
They still have to they still have a lot to
work out. There, you know what I mean? Look, they
they so how.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
At this point? I mean, he's won a super Bowl
for him, it was a right, it was money.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Well, so it was a rough negotiation last year. And
I don't think he's playing on the number that's on
his contract right now. Okay, so I think, can't we
look that up? Well, So what they did was they
move five million from four million from this year, one
million from next year into twenty twenty four, guaranteed all
of it, and then removed all the guarantees from twenty
twenty five and agreed to revisit it after the season.
(31:20):
Which is the point we're at now. They've got a
lot of young players in that team.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Who negotiates that is that, it's not McVeigh, He's not
any part of that.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Sean wants to keep.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Sean wants to be Sean wants to keep him, and shot,
that's gonna les. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be
Tony the Steers and Kevin Demoff and those guys. I
thought was yeah, like so like like what is what
is Matthew Stafford looking for?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
What is he asking for?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And if say the Steelers come along and offer a
first round pick.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Do you have to think about it?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Because now you've got a really young roster, right Like,
now you you've got a bunch of twenty three twenty
four year olds that you think you're gonna be able
to count on for the next five or six years.
You know, like they've gotten really they've quietly gotten really young.
But yeah, I mean Puka Nakua, you know, Byron Young.
You know, obviously Jared Vers might be defensive Rookie of
(32:09):
the Year, brave, like Kobe Turner, like they're they're really
they're really in a position where they could build for
the next five, six, seven years. So if you're them
and somebody offers you the first round pick, do you
look at it and say, all.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Right, So, like, do we take the pick?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Maybe go sign Sam Darnold as a bridge quarterback who's
from Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Playing played in the system, played in the system.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And he holds the fort while we look for, you know,
our next version of Matthew.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
That would be a cheaper option than what Stafford's looking
for at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, And here's the other thing with Stafford is Stafford,
if you are looking at that group, right, and I
think this is part of the equation. If you are
looking at that group of players, you're year to year
with Stafford now, and that's part of it too. It's
like you have to consider it. It's like, Okay, if
we're going to pay you fifty million dollars or whatever
it is for this year and guarantee it, can we
count on you in twenty twenty six? Or are we
(33:02):
right back here again spinning our wheels and now maybe
we're in a worst position a year from now because
we want.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
The extra year.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Or do you look at and say, we're close enough
to a championship where we can push our chips all
in and not worry about any of that. I don't
know that they're that close, you know what I mean? Like,
that's I think that's a question that they got to look.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
In the mirror and answer.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
He is the great Albert Breer with us here. Always fun.
It's a yearly tradition. We get to catch up with
Albert and four in the.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Morning this Oh yeah, it's sure, we'll be there.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategiest at the MMQB. Good dude, Happy to have him.
Always good seeing you man thanks where you can find him.
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Speaker 2 (33:50):
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Speaker 3 (34:16):
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Speaker 4 (34:38):
Right now, it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
These might smell a little fun game incredible, but they're
still good.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Time to find out what's left.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's Lee's left.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Lead to laugh.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
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the great Mike Ferrera.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Joining us on set right now.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Yeah, rocking, that's strong under armor fit.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
What hey, there's never been a better time to have
you on it.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
That's quickly about.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
I'm not thinking any questions about the chiefs.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Ask you.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
They always show favored you as a as a broadcaster too,
so I do have some favorite to the.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Best dress and I don't know Dean Blandino needs to
figure out your wardrobe because you are the best dress.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I'll tell you what he looks strong always real quick.
I do want to ask you, because we talked about
this earlier and you know this better than anyone.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Did the officials feel extra pressure because of all the
conversation around whether the Chiefs have got an advantage or not, whatever?
But did they feel the additional pressure in this matchup
because of the narrative that's that's following them now?
Speaker 8 (35:51):
You'd like to say they don't read the newspapers and
They don't go on social media and read stuff, but
they do, and so they will. They'll feel more pressure
because they're there's been so much heat. It's not going
to affect the way they officiate, but they know that
if they make you a call that again goes the
Chiefs way, that's going to be that chatter that's going
to be out there. So I think they understand the
(36:12):
magnitude of it, not just of the seven of them
on the field, but of one hundred and thirty eight
officials in the league period, right, And they don't want
to be the story. I mean, going throughout this whole playoffs,
they've been the story. And so their goal is to
sneak out of the game Sunday and not be talked about.
(36:33):
But like I say, they won't. Nobody's going to tell them.
I mean, nobody from the league office is going to
tell them, hey, be careful of this, or be careful
of this, or don't call it. That's like, that's like
a little bit ludicrous if you're an official, because that
never happens. Nobody ever said when I was on the field,
They never told me that. When I was ahead of
the officiating for twelve years, I never said that, so
(36:56):
that's not going to happen, but they are going to
feel the pressure.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Mikes that get the calls are always fans of the refs.
The fans that don't get the calls are always the
biggest critics of the refs. Looking at it in the
way these the rule changes have been implemented and a
part of the game. Now, how much has that played
a part in terms of how the refs are able
(37:21):
to ref.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
The games and manage the games. That's a really good question.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
If you remember two years ago the Philly Kansas City
game with the defensive holding call at the end that
really didn't look like much and in my opinion, you
know a lot, it was talked about a lot afterwards.
If it wasn't called, nobody would have said a word, right,
But yet the league changed its perspective, you know back
in my day where they said any grab of the jersey,
(37:49):
any grab of the jersey is a foul.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
And I remember I objected.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
I really objected, because the whole philosophy of officiating has
been advantaged disadvantage. So if somebody he does something that's
not related to player safety, but if they do something
that doesn't create an advantage, then let it gold. And
in that particular case, that was an example. There was
a grab of the jersey. You couldn't see it from
the backside of it, but there was a little grab.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
But it didn't take a step away. It didn't take
a step away.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
But that's where we are in this offensive game a
little bit, you know, as Richard Sherman told me one
time after he chewed me out for saying on radio
that he had lost a step or two. But he
told me, if his kid wants to play football, he's
going to tell him to play offense. Oh he defense
has gotten so difficult to.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Play Micah real quick and we only got about twenty seconds.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Very hard.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
But the tracking of the football, the technology they're trying
to implement, how close are we to having that?
Speaker 8 (38:50):
I don't think we're close until we want to put
chips in Brady's you know, Quinn's elbows and knees so
when they push him, which would take a lot of
guys to push him in the end zone. Yeah, but
until we get to that, I just don't see it happen.
We can't make it perfect. We just can't make this
game perfect. From an officiating standpoint, or a player's standpoint
(39:11):
or a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
It never happened.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
But you're you're, You're Britney damn close to perfect.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Serra Baby the show. Yeah,
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