December 2, 2025 • 40 mins
The guys talk about Giants QB Jaxon Dart refusing to protect himself by getting out of bounds, also FOX Sports NFL & College Rules Analyst Dean Blandino joins the show to talk all things officiating, Leftovers, and more!
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show talking about Monday Night football last night. The most
interesting aspects of that were Abdull Carter. The rumor that's
out there that he was punished for last night's game,
missing the opening quarter because he was well.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I say it was punished. They said it was a
coach's decision not to play them early. Like that could
have been because he had tightness in his hamstring or
his growing or.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Definitely not that one. I mean, if the reports are true,
he should have worked that out.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
In the meeting. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I just said, there's the possibility that there could have
been maybe a matchup that they liked that say, you
know what, we're going to sit you for these amounts
of plays because we got a great matchup, and when
we put you in, then that would be the time
to put you in. I mean, it just could be
a lot of different things other than something that is
(02:03):
I remember I was benched one time. I wasn't benched,
I didn't play, and everybody thought it was disciplinary like
because they never they never told the reason why I
didn't play, and I had basically hurt my shoulder, like
I couldn't lift my arm looking at No, I wasn't
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looking at crank what is that? I don't know what
Crank TV is.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I know there's a crank shuttle on X, but I
don't even know if that isn't even around the FSR
crank shuttle.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
I don't know what about the knee doppler, Remember the
knee doppler.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The knee doppler.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, and that should be around because I can feel
my knee and my ankle today in my back, my
knee and my back.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's spinal Wait, Roberto, what did you say?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What if my doubler don't work?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
God?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
All right, I broke my back. One of the one
of the other stories was Jackson Dark got lit up.
He got hit a couple of times. The second time
was clean. He got smoked. And it was Troy Aikman
and Joe Buck who mentioned it during the game that
you know, when you talk to him about it, he
seems like he's a little annoyed having to hear about
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people telling him to protect himself, et cetera, et cetera,
and that Jackson Dart sounded a little insulted at the
constant questions after the game as well too. He even
took a shot at Rob Stone's beloved soccer Let's take
a listen.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I understand the question, but like this is like this
is football, Like I'm gonna get hit if I'm in
the pocket or outside the pocket, Like it's I feel
like I've played this way my whole entire life. There
shouldn't be like any shocker or anybody if you've followed
along with my career and I'm we're not playing like
we're not playing soccer out here, like you're gonna get hit.
(03:58):
Things happen, it's part of the game, Like I'm gonna
keep playing aggressive. No, hopefully everybody can take a second
to watch my tape going back to high school and
realize that this is not a shock, like I play
the game aggressively. I took one hit that people are
talking about. I slid, got out of the way, have
a lot of hits. So I appreciate people, you know,
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wanting to you know, me to be healthy and all
that stuff, and I want to be healthy too. But
I play this game aggressive, so I'm not I'm not
gonna just change how.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I play the game.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Between him and camp Scataboo, it just doesn't seem like
that's gonna last a whole long time.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Can I also throw this in there like that's his game? Right?
I mean, if you asked him and grinned.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm not saying he's not gonna develop into a better
pocket passer and develop a better sense of timing and
rhythm within the offense. But if that's what's gonna help
his team or give them the best chance to win
and help him have the best chance of succeeding, then
he's gonna have to play that way, right, Like, why
would you leave that on the back burner If that's
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what helped gets you to the Giants, that's what helped
gets you to the league, And look, maybe it won't last,
but if that's your best shot at making it and
trying to get to a second contract and help your
team win, if that's ultimately what you've got to do,
then that's what he's got to do.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I respect it as I see.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Him taking a shot at soccer, which you know, again
it's definitely not soccer.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
This is what I'll say. I love I was. I
was probably evaluate it for a concussion. I don't know,
maybe it's less than it's less than a handful to
two handful, which it's probably less than ten times in
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my seven year career, less than ten times. I think
I had three during my career. I had three concussions,
and I would think I was evaluated less than ten times.
He's already been evaluated four times in one season. So
while I'll say, yeah, I do respect it, like Okay,
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this is how you've played this, that and the other, Like,
that doesn't mean that's how you continue to play. That's
called evolution, that's called growing up. That's called wisdom. You know,
it's just you learn how to be more effective and
more efficient in better ways. Well, they say, don't work harder,
work smarter. So my whole thing is like, while it's
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admirable to hear him say that, I think it is
a tap bit disturbing that your quarterback is speaking that
way for one, and then for two.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I mean, if you're going to.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Take those types of hits and a hair get I'll
make it again again. I joked about it earlier, but
I'll make it about me again because it is that's
what I do.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Trey Agman thought he commit it to.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The sideline hold on.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
There will be no fine because he acknowledged this, all right,
this very clear.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
There will be no fine because mister Aarrington had a
sense of humility.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
He acknowledged that no fine will be instituted. Please proceed.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Mark the Lorena Appeal hearing on Friday, book it lookie.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
All I'm going to say is when you're running for
the sidelines and you're out there and that's Serengetti, you
cannot think that you could get that extra one or
two steps in that you thought you were going to get.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It could cost you.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He mentioned, what were you getting at there with that?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, it was the end.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
He thought he could make it and he couldn't, and
he didn't, and that was the end. And you don't
want you don't want it to end that way. You
don't want it to end that way. And that hit
on Dart was way more like that July looked way
nastier than the one I had on Troy Aikman. I mean,
I was a clean assassin though, But I'm just saying
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that that could be a ten dollars fun right there.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
But anyway, the.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Point is, you can't you can't live your life as
a quarterback in the league thinking that it's okay to
be that aggressive in how you approach playing the game.
I think that's that's a bad decision, and I hope
somebody can talk some sense into him.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Let me go as far as saying this the game,
it's not the college game. It's it's a different game,
and it's played in one from the pocket, and you're
protecting the pocket. You know, for for every quarterback that
you know gets rid of the football and fans boo
because they're punting again or whatever the case is, because
there's not as much production, that guy's still living to
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play the next series.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
He's living to play the next down. When you're out
there running around and you don't have those protections and
you've got guys head hunting in the serengetti, you know,
that's where you get knocked out and you're career is done. Like,
the best stability is availability without a doubt, And so
if you can't be out there for your team, what
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good can you really do for your team?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So again, I think there's a fine line between him
in an instance like last night where he gets lit
up on the sideline, he easily could have stepped out
before that. You know, he subjected himself to that. So
he's gonna learn.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
He's a rookie, and he saw the whole way and
just kept running exactly and God bless the theo like
god like, I would have never allowed. I would have came.
I would have ran up on dude, even if it
was legal. I would have ran up on him just
because he did hit him in the head. I don't
know how it's not targeting too, by the way he
threw his shoulder into his shoulder, but he hit his head.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
If the initial contact is uh led with the shoulder
and contacts the shoulder first.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
There there's He's not He's not the penless. He's a runner,
he's a route. Have to lead. He would have to
lead with the crown of the helmet.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, he didn't lead with but he did hit him
upside the head. He did hit him in the head.
Now you know I would have I would have flipped
out too. But at the same time, I'd have been like, yo, bruh,
like can you get down or get out? Like get down? Man,
Like that ain't cool, that's not cool. You impact more
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than yourself when you do that, like and and for
what it is worth you you dang right.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
You want to.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Defend your guy, and that that that type of situation,
like that's not that that looked bad. And if I'm
turning around and I see that like, if it's THEO
Johnson in the situation, it is THEO Johnson in the situation.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
He turns around and.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You see it and you know he's going out due
to those types of injuries before.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And it's that close.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
It's like on it literally was replayed close in terms
of if he was in bounced I'm throwing down to
I'm throwing down.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Well, that's good.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I just you know, I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I also think though this like in two ways, this
kind of described where the Giant season has been. Where
between the field goal TEMs slash, you know, Jackson Dart
who's been evaluated for how many concussions and yet he's
still not figured this out to protect himself. That's been
the Giant season in a nutshell. And I think the
other is like what the Patriots have become where they
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are a hard nosed football team and you might say, well,
that might be on the edge of being dirty, but
that's how the game's played man and and Mike Rabel's
comments post game two talking about how you know they're
not going to let you know, these quarterbacks just kind
of waltz around the field and feel like they're safe
out there that's that's a dude who played defense for
forever in the league, won super Bowls, and has coached
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forever in this league, and he's instilling the type of
attitude that, to be quite frank, this league needs. Like
this league has gotten so soft towards how they protect
play that it takes the edge off of what's out there.
Like the biggest thing we're talking about from last night's
game is not the game, it's the hit. It's this
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entire conversation. And this is what this sport's missing. We
don't talk boxing and heavyweight matches anymore. Why you don't
have somebody who can knock someone out like Mike Tyson
when we did. That's all you want to see. That's
all you want to talk about. Like, I don't I
don't get what we have to like act like this
is you know, so humane, it's football. I actually it's
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gonna be interested.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
They're gonna be that.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I actually think by the way, I actually think this
year has looked more physical or let me say this
year they've let physicality back in the game more so
than it seems like in previous years to where you.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Know what I think it is.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think these defensive players have been able to adjust
now they've had to deal with the bs of how
they've got to hit guys to the point now where
they've been able to adjust. Yeah, And even if you
look at the types of coverages they're playing, a lot
has been talked about in regards to the shell coverage
where a lot of things are kind of in front
of them and so they get to have more of
a running start. They get maybe a little better angle
too with some of the ways they're they're tackling and
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approaching these guys. I credit the defenders like I credit
their ability to be able to adapt to adjust.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
And also kind of like fleets, well, yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Always been the case.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And also the kickoff returns because there's more kickoff returns.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Razor back off stinger what you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Do because because there's more kickoffs now, you're seeing guys
get lit up on kick returns now too that you
didn't see before. It just feels like there is It
has appeared to be more physical this year, and I
think maybe I think it was Kayleb Williams. There was
another quarterback who people were looking around, going are they
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going to throw the lag on a hit out? Of bounds,
and it was like they looked at it again and said, no,
he's still in bounds, Like he can't just assume that
the guy is gonna let up. He was still in bounds. No,
I'm just saying, like, but by the way it was
to give you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
By the way, the hit that you you made on
Troy that you just sent us, what's amazing Who sent it?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Oh, Jos, I don't know. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
What's amazing about it, though, is watch the reaction of
all your teammates. It was so normal that like no
one even like not only did the cowboy was not
react to it, your own players didn't react because that
was how the game was played back then.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like like there wasn't a Theo Johnson turning around trying
to you know or.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Know who would have been or who was the tight
end back then? That would have been Nova Checks. I'll
drop kick you in the faith. That was Novacheck that year.
Actually maybe it was, no, but you know.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What I'm saying, like, like, there's no tight end running
ast you because that was how the game was played.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Maybe I am I'm not old.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Maybe it was it was not j Novicheck, My first
year it was Dang Who was the tight end?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I can't remember you sure?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Are you sure it wasn't Novicheck.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
In Maybe it was, Maybe it was.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
It wasn't Novacheck. Novidcheck was done by ninety six.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Good, all right, I knew it was somebody else. It
was another big name, though. It was a tight end
with a big name. I forget I broke. I popped
my Achilles with Whitten. That was with the Giants. I
know I went up against Campbell. No, not Tony Stewart.
Who was there tight end? Was it Ricky Dudley? He
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was still in Oakland?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Or man? Who was there tight end in two thousand?
Come on, somebody's got that.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
I'm looking it up. I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
David Lafleur, Jackie Harris, James Whalan, Chris Fontano.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, no, man, I just don't remember him. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I don't remember any of them names. Dang, I don't know. Yeah,
but I do remember going up against Whitten though, I
do remember that anyway. You're right, though, volence was a
part of the game when I played, In fact, before
I even got there, and you got there. The game
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was built on the valance of the sport. Those were
the guys that made it into the Hall of Fame.
Those were the guys and the promos leading up to
the start of the game or promoting the game, it.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Was those hits.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
It was Mike Singletary's eyes, it was you know, Walter
Payton and Earl Campbell running through people's chests.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You know, it's like stuff like that. That's not you're
right man.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It's so funny because I find myself now even looking
at the game differently, like I'd be.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Like, ooh, that was a hard hit, Like what where
are you doing? Far? Tighten up? You know what I mean?
What did I just say? Oh my gosh, that was
a valid hit?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like you yucky?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Oh my gosh, like what you can't look in the
mirror like you can't? Hey, bro?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Now, And that's you look at every hit and you
questioned it where you wonder when.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
It's a big hit, it's like, oh my gosh, are
they okay? I feel like you're a hurt every time
you get a big hit in the game. It's like, oh,
is he hurt?
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Speaker 10 (19:46):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what feeling frisky means
time on X.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
But cool, I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
We talked about Yeah, John just likes to wear.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Stuff out, so yeah, you you definitely don't. But yeah, okay, Dean,
I speaking of X I did. I was curious the
context of this. Have you pissed off Lions fans? Because
I saw somebody that wrote this Happy Thanksgiving to all
that celebrate everyone but Dean Blandino. F Dean Blandino. So
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what did you do last fans?
Speaker 10 (20:19):
That goes that goes back to twenty fourteen season playoffs
against the Cowboys, defensive flag fourth quarter lines were up
to throw the flag for defensive holding. They make the
announcement it was against the Cowboys, first down, it's gonna
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be first down. Lions to make the announcement. Then after
the announcement they get together and pick up the flag,
and then the Cowboys get the ball back to go
back and score and beat beat the Lions. So yeah,
that was my fault apparently, really really, Oh my gosh.
And then I did a video and then I doubled
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down when I left the NFL, and I did a
video about how much I loved Detroit and it was
like kind of tongue in cheek and and you know,
it has the most bowling alleys per capita in the country,
and so it's awesome. It was yeah, it was not great.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well done, Deem.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I want to ask you about a separate play. It
wasn't at the NFL level, was at college level. But
I also just want to ask about the fumble out
of the end zone rule.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah, get some word to the team that touch back.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Do you ever see it changing at any point at
any level, because I feel like once it does that,
either college or NFL, maybe it'll change it at both.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
Yeah. You know, this has been It's been a conversation
for a long time. Obviously, had the Jeremiah Smith touchdown
in the in the Michigan O House State game, and
that that play, to me, I mean, that's a tough
one to turn around and have they overturned that which
it like he lost control before the goal line, then
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then he regains control, but his foot comes down out
of bounds, and the rule is if you lose control,
basically that's a fumble, you got to repossess it. So
you got to like re catch it with a control
and a foot down. I think that would have been
a very for people to understand that to be a touchback,
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although it might have been, the right application of the
rule is a tough one. I don't know a lot
of times. The problem with it, though, is is a
lot of times these fumbles into the end zone are
players just celebrating early and then the ball comes loose
and that that feels like it should be punitive. I
get it when the guy's trying to trying to reach
for the goal line, but you know, the end zone
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is different. I like the rule the way it is.
There should be high risk when there's high reward, and
I don't I don't think there'll be a change, but
you know, you never say never.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Dane on the telecast, it seems as though there's a
discrepancy between zero and the ball being snapped, Like is
there is there a delay for us as a viewer
on our couch? Is there is Like how is the
play clock judged when it's being shown to us? And
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at times it clearly has hit zero when the snap
has not taken place, but they're allowed to snap the
ball like out? Is that just is that the ref
missing it? Or is there like a delay? Like what's
what's what's the deal on that?
Speaker 10 (23:33):
Well? Look the one the one in in with the
Colts in Texans, that's delay a game. There's that and
what you see what we all see on the broadcast
the score bug that that that is synced to the
stadium scoreboard clock. The stadium scoreboard clock is the official clock.
It's the officials don't keep it. It's it's on the
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on the stadium scoreboard. And so that is since what
we all see on the graphic and sometimes like you'll
see that. Then then we insert the actual stadium scoreboard
clock into the picture. And yet they're they're mechanically. The
backage will watch the play clock. It goes to zero,
look at the ball. If the ball is moving, it's
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not a foul. But when we talk about delay, it's
fractions of a second. It's not that that that clock
was that zero for for probably a second and a
half two seconds. That that the foul. It should have
been called. And uh, you know that that's something that
you know, we've talked about. I don't know if we
want to be as technical as the NBA is. Where
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the NBA, the whistle is tied to the clock. When
the whistle blows, it's it's that's, that's it. It doesn't
work in football with the whistle because the officials rule
to play dead before they blow the whistle. So I
don't know what the answer is there, but that that
should have been a foul.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Indeed, what what's happening with the officials in overtime with
a coin.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Toss like somehow Oh my god, I mean, let me
just explain my question early.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But all right, the coins toss, one team chooses to
either kick or receive it. For some reason, these officials
keep allowing teams to determine to them which way they're kicking,
which is not how that's supposed to work.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
So here, yeah, here's here's what. Okay, So here's what
I think it's happening. Here's what I think it's happening.
The opening coint the coins out of the games, opening
coins us. There's no pressure, there's no big speech, there's
no nothing. It's the captains come out. You are the
visiting team, all right, you know you're the visitor. Called
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the toss, he called heads. We flip it, and you
know a majority of the time they defer, right, Then okay, defer,
you go to the other team you want the ball, right,
and then we go from there. So in overtime, we've
gotten caught up on giving this this this soliloquy about
the overtime rules, and you know, both teams get a
(26:07):
possession and da da da da da. So I think
they're they're they're focusing on this, what they're going to say,
and then they just you know, go brain dead. And
and we've had I think three instances in the last
I don't know how many weeks. Well we're letting teams
choose two things and they can't. You can't say we
want to kick in that direction. You say you want
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to kick, Okay, the other team's getting the ball and
they get to choose what direction the you know the
kick is going to go in. So I don't know
if there needs to be something with the with the referees.
I mean, all they know it. I think in the
moment a couple of a couple of guys have just
I don't know, they've brain freeze. It's it's it's been.
It's weird.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Adam Thielen did say a couple of weeks ago that
there's a lot of fanboy referees out there who are
just you know, it's a side gig for them, and
they're do you do you get that impression that there's
some guys just are are really happy to just be
there and maybe kind of lack on the details so
to speak.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
Well, I'm gonna yeah, I don't disagree with that that
there are some because I've experienced some officials where their
least favorite part of the job is like the three
hours on Sunday. They like everything about it. They like,
you know, the NFL and wearing the logo and all
(27:26):
that stuff. I don't I think that's very few, and
especially when you get to the head referee position. I mean,
those guys are pretty.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Locked in that kind of in that kind of a problem. Though.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
It is when and you try to weed those people
out when you when you realize you have somebody that
is not taking this. And like I said, I'm talking
about over my however, many years I was at the NFL.
I'm talking about a handful of people, and there were
you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. So yes,
you try to read those people out. This is this,
(28:01):
This is not a side gig anymore. Where you know,
when I first started, it was people officiated and had
they had a full time job. They officiated on the site.
When you get to when you get to you know,
power for conference, when you get to the NFL that's
your main job and you might have something on the side,
and ninety nine percent of officials treated that way. But yeah,
(28:23):
I'm not going to sit here and say that there
aren't some that that may you know that that like
the other part of it, but it's you know, yeah,
if that's if there's people like that, that's a problem.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Dean. It's interesting listening to what you're just saying.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Let me let me ask you this because I feel
like this is kind of interesting, like kind of pulled
a curtain back, Like referees are a type bit mysterious man.
Like you know, you get some faces, you get some names,
and they are you know, recognizable, and they are you know,
guys that you know have built a brand. What was
(28:59):
it like for you, Like do you remember the first
game you ever reft? Like what is what's the routine?
Like do you like Prime that's a teammate of mind.
He used to lay out his uniform and I did
it too, just because I love the way he did
it and I like laid out in my uniform anyway,
do you have it like a is there a pregame
(29:19):
routine that you went through? Did you stretch, like did
you go out did you do warm up drills like
the players do, Like what goes through your mind and
that time and then when you come out on the
field and it's go time.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
What's that feeling like? Like do you have those moments?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Like I know for me, i'd see guys I'd be like, man,
there's Derek Brooks right there, like, oh, they're simion rights
like that. Like you know, like, do you guys have
moments like that going into it? Like what's that feel like?
Do you remember that feeling like the first time you
went out there?
Speaker 10 (29:50):
Well, there's no question officials go through that. For me,
my experience was a little bit different because I did
replay right, so I wasn't on the field, But you
get that routine. Every official, they all have a pregame routine.
They all go through, you know, whether it's a stretching
routine in the lock in the locker room. Then they'll
go out prior to the warm ups and they'll go
(30:10):
out and and check the field and run around and
do whatever they need to do. And in every official,
like you said, like you go out there and you're like, oh, man,
that's Derek Brooks or or or or there. There's there's whoever.
These are people, you know, every official their first game,
the Butterflies. I remember my first game as a replay official,
the Butterflies and everything, and you're sitting here like, this
(30:32):
is the NFL. Oh my god, that's Joe Montana, that's
Tom Brady, that's that's Barry Standers, whoever it is. So yeah,
there's that human element to it. But yeah, there is
totally a routine. And then it becomes the more experience
that you get, it becomes it's just another football game,
and and the names don't matter, the teams don't matter,
(30:53):
and that's where you want your officials to get to.
And there is that you do want the officials to
remain someone anonymous because if we're talking about the officials,
it's not it's never good, right, it's it's it's it's
not a good thing. So you try to, you know,
maintain that anonymity. But yeah, they go through a normal routine.
(31:14):
It's it's the same, it's the same thing every game.
Because that that's how you get better when you kind
of stick to that process and what you're trying to do,
you know, week in week out.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Something else that came up the college fall level but
applies to the NFL too, is when helmet communication goes out,
it happened that o'hasse Michigan. Both teams are allowed to
use the communication at that point.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Is that correct how it's addressed.
Speaker 10 (31:41):
Yeah, it would only be so. So there's the equity rule.
But if if if everything's out on one sideline, then
the other team has to shut theirs down. If there's
some working they can they can keep the other team
can keep theirs up. Because the theory was always you
know and and there's this game games and ship and
things that have happened in the past where where if
(32:03):
we're up, we're up a couple of scores in the
fourth quarter and you know, we're just going to sabotage
our own system, and and and and then and then
they can't use there, so you know, we'll we'll cut
out a couple of ours and they got to cut
out there. So it's that that rule has kind of
gone back and forth. But basically, if everything goes down
and they have a lot of people there now that
(32:24):
can that can make sure that that what the issue
is in troubleshoot it. But there is that equity rule
where you want both teams to be playing on an
even playing field.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Uh, Dean last one for me, we were talking about
this a little bit earlier. It seems like physicality. I
don't know if it's back, because it's not like how
it was maybe back in the day, so to speak,
but it does feel like they're not just throwing a
flag over everything now. And we talked about the Jackson
Dart hit going out of bounds last night. Have you
(32:54):
noticed that as well too? Is it is it the
fact that the kickoff is is back, so to speak,
that they're you know, return up or it does seem
like there's a physicality this year that maybe we hadn't
seen him previous years.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
Yeah, No, I would agree with that. You kickoff has
a lot to do it, and do it you have,
you have so many more actual football plays in the
game because you know, we've gone from thirty percent returns
to to eighty percent returns, you know, and and so
we're seeing more more contact on on certainly that play.
And then you I mean, you know, it's great to
(33:26):
see Jackson Dard after two weeks in concussion protocol really
taking a lesson from that and getting out of bounce
when he should get out of bound, so you know,
and some of it is just you know what, guys
not protecting themselves. But yeah, I do feel the official
has done a good job because it happens so fast
and and and there's there there's gonna be helmet to
(33:47):
helmet contact, and then you've got runners and then guys,
you know, the defensive players trying to tackle them, and
the runners drop their heads a lot of the time time,
So do you think the officials are doing a good job?
And I would agree. You know, look, it's it's not
the it's not the seventies in the eighties, but but
it's definitely you know, we are seeing more physicality, which
is a good thing as long as it's within the rules,
(34:08):
which it feels like it is.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Get him on ex at Dean Blandino and leave them alone,
Liones fans. He's Fox Sports, his NFL and college football
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Speaker 5 (34:21):
Thanks Dean, Thanks you get about it. Get about man,
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Speaker 2 (36:10):
Here's the left over, Tyler, What do we got?
Speaker 11 (36:13):
Decently fresh? Kind of pulled these from the back of
the fridge. We got some heroes out here.
Speaker 12 (36:18):
Tom Brady and Drewski are teaming up with Go Puff
to make the Monday after Super Bowl a national holiday.
Speaker 11 (36:26):
Yes, I'm talking about Super Monday.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (36:29):
They actually debuted a new TV spot that aired during
the Thanksgiving Games, Packers Versus Lions to get fans took
to support and rally behind this new federal holiday idea.
Speaker 11 (36:39):
What do you boys think?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I mean? We gotta work with my son.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I I guess, sorry I was. I wasn't even listening,
you know.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
If that was if that was me, that fine. I
just want that for the record.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
It is a fine. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
He doesn't. He doesn't get that. First off, I don't
know what you're chiming here. You're not the judge.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
You're right, your judge is talking right now? Yeah, tell
carry on again?
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Ye say, move on to the next story. Move on,
even listen to it?
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Moving on?
Speaker 12 (37:18):
Okay, well on to the next It might be news
to you, because it was definitely news to me. Luka Doncic,
former Maverick current Laker, posted a birthday shout out for
his princess.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
Yes, he is a daddy. He's got a two year
old daughter.
Speaker 12 (37:32):
I had no idea, and he said that he misses
her dearly because she had She and his fiance stayed
behind when he moved to La to play.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
For the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Stayed behind where where he lived before.
Speaker 11 (37:44):
They had just bought a house.
Speaker 12 (37:46):
Okay, but people are saying he's not going to leave
the Lakers, so they might as well sell the house
and move over.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, what are we what are we doing there?
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah? I mean that's something family decision.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm not going to wait all why not?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
What does it matter? What better?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I think they got thrown issues to figure out.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I need some time alone.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
You know they're going to be watching and meetings.
Speaker 10 (38:20):
Now.
Speaker 12 (38:20):
He has lost a lot of weight since he's been gone,
you know, so it'll be a good lifestyle change.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
He have a glow up now that he's out in
l A.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Are you saying it's because his wife and child are
back in downy.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
V?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Are you you are a racist and you got problems?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 10 (38:46):
Bro?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
You just lost.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You just lost to Molly privileges.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Dank ain't doing anything? Who did that?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
This way?
Speaker 5 (39:02):
No way, O way?
Speaker 11 (39:06):
Goodness?
Speaker 12 (39:06):
Uh well, var you might be excited about this left
over the a FDA approved a new drug that can
make your dog live a much longer life. Oh, researcher
saying it specifically for bigger dogs.
Speaker 11 (39:20):
No, it's yeah, make them harder longer.
Speaker 12 (39:25):
So researchers are saying that they aren't turning dogs into superpets,
but they're actually helping them stay healthy longer, keep them
mobile and energized for more years, influencing how their bodies
break down over time.
Speaker 11 (39:37):
So mister Stix is in good shape.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
If he gets this, that's a great marketing campaign. Can't
campaign their employee of sorts.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
And then that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Drugs that live longer, can't you just like take care
of them, feed them well, you know all good stuff.
Speaker 12 (39:51):
Well, with big dogs, their joints go down. They usually
have a lot of skin issues.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
So yeah, yeah, I had big dogs. I'm just saying,
I don't know that. You know, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I got a big dogs every day and I ain't
relying on nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now, what happens if you are pumping full of drugs
and they just run across the freeway one day.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
We say, you got to read the fine print. You got,
you got, you gotta make sure you check out the
little things in the print.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know, if they had but a tacoma in sixty five,
how's that going?
Speaker 6 (40:27):
You got problems
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show talking about Monday Night football last night. The most
interesting aspects of that were Abdull Carter. The rumor that's
out there that he was punished for last night's game,
missing the opening quarter because he was well.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I say it was punished. They said it was a
coach's decision not to play them early. Like that could
have been because he had tightness in his hamstring or
his growing or.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Definitely not that one. I mean, if the reports are true,
he should have worked that out.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
In the meeting. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I just said, there's the possibility that there could have
been maybe a matchup that they liked that say, you
know what, we're going to sit you for these amounts
of plays because we got a great matchup, and when
we put you in, then that would be the time
to put you in. I mean, it just could be
a lot of different things other than something that is
(02:03):
I remember I was benched one time. I wasn't benched,
I didn't play, and everybody thought it was disciplinary like
because they never they never told the reason why I
didn't play, and I had basically hurt my shoulder, like
I couldn't lift my arm looking at No, I wasn't
(02:23):
looking at crank what is that? I don't know what
Crank TV is.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I know there's a crank shuttle on X, but I
don't even know if that isn't even around the FSR
crank shuttle.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
I don't know what about the knee doppler, Remember the
knee doppler.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The knee doppler.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, and that should be around because I can feel
my knee and my ankle today in my back, my
knee and my back.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's spinal Wait, Roberto, what did you say?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What if my doubler don't work?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
God?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
All right, I broke my back. One of the one
of the other stories was Jackson Dark got lit up.
He got hit a couple of times. The second time
was clean. He got smoked. And it was Troy Aikman
and Joe Buck who mentioned it during the game that
you know, when you talk to him about it, he
seems like he's a little annoyed having to hear about
(03:20):
people telling him to protect himself, et cetera, et cetera,
and that Jackson Dart sounded a little insulted at the
constant questions after the game as well too. He even
took a shot at Rob Stone's beloved soccer Let's take
a listen.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I understand the question, but like this is like this
is football, Like I'm gonna get hit if I'm in
the pocket or outside the pocket, Like it's I feel
like I've played this way my whole entire life. There
shouldn't be like any shocker or anybody if you've followed
along with my career and I'm we're not playing like
we're not playing soccer out here, like you're gonna get hit.
(03:58):
Things happen, it's part of the game, Like I'm gonna
keep playing aggressive. No, hopefully everybody can take a second
to watch my tape going back to high school and
realize that this is not a shock, like I play
the game aggressively. I took one hit that people are
talking about. I slid, got out of the way, have
a lot of hits. So I appreciate people, you know,
(04:21):
wanting to you know, me to be healthy and all
that stuff, and I want to be healthy too. But
I play this game aggressive, so I'm not I'm not
gonna just change how.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I play the game.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Between him and camp Scataboo, it just doesn't seem like
that's gonna last a whole long time.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Can I also throw this in there like that's his game? Right?
I mean, if you asked him and grinned.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm not saying he's not gonna develop into a better
pocket passer and develop a better sense of timing and
rhythm within the offense. But if that's what's gonna help
his team or give them the best chance to win
and help him have the best chance of succeeding, then
he's gonna have to play that way, right, Like, why
would you leave that on the back burner If that's
(05:06):
what helped gets you to the Giants, that's what helped
gets you to the league, And look, maybe it won't last,
but if that's your best shot at making it and
trying to get to a second contract and help your
team win, if that's ultimately what you've got to do,
then that's what he's got to do.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I respect it as I see.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Him taking a shot at soccer, which you know, again
it's definitely not soccer.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
This is what I'll say. I love I was. I
was probably evaluate it for a concussion. I don't know,
maybe it's less than it's less than a handful to
two handful, which it's probably less than ten times in
(05:50):
my seven year career, less than ten times. I think
I had three during my career. I had three concussions,
and I would think I was evaluated less than ten times.
He's already been evaluated four times in one season. So
while I'll say, yeah, I do respect it, like Okay,
(06:13):
this is how you've played this, that and the other, Like,
that doesn't mean that's how you continue to play. That's
called evolution, that's called growing up. That's called wisdom. You know,
it's just you learn how to be more effective and
more efficient in better ways. Well, they say, don't work harder,
work smarter. So my whole thing is like, while it's
(06:34):
admirable to hear him say that, I think it is
a tap bit disturbing that your quarterback is speaking that
way for one, and then for two.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I mean, if you're going to.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Take those types of hits and a hair get I'll
make it again again. I joked about it earlier, but
I'll make it about me again because it is that's
what I do.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Trey Agman thought he commit it to.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The sideline hold on.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
There will be no fine because he acknowledged this, all right,
this very clear.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
There will be no fine because mister Aarrington had a
sense of humility.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
He acknowledged that no fine will be instituted. Please proceed.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Mark the Lorena Appeal hearing on Friday, book it lookie.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
All I'm going to say is when you're running for
the sidelines and you're out there and that's Serengetti, you
cannot think that you could get that extra one or
two steps in that you thought you were going to get.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It could cost you.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He mentioned, what were you getting at there with that?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, it was the end.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
He thought he could make it and he couldn't, and
he didn't, and that was the end. And you don't
want you don't want it to end that way. You
don't want it to end that way. And that hit
on Dart was way more like that July looked way
nastier than the one I had on Troy Aikman. I mean,
I was a clean assassin though, But I'm just saying
(08:04):
that that could be a ten dollars fun right there.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
But anyway, the.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Point is, you can't you can't live your life as
a quarterback in the league thinking that it's okay to
be that aggressive in how you approach playing the game.
I think that's that's a bad decision, and I hope
somebody can talk some sense into him.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Let me go as far as saying this the game,
it's not the college game. It's it's a different game,
and it's played in one from the pocket, and you're
protecting the pocket. You know, for for every quarterback that
you know gets rid of the football and fans boo
because they're punting again or whatever the case is, because
there's not as much production, that guy's still living to
(08:47):
play the next series.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
He's living to play the next down. When you're out
there running around and you don't have those protections and
you've got guys head hunting in the serengetti, you know,
that's where you get knocked out and you're career is done. Like,
the best stability is availability without a doubt, And so
if you can't be out there for your team, what
(09:10):
good can you really do for your team?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So again, I think there's a fine line between him
in an instance like last night where he gets lit
up on the sideline, he easily could have stepped out
before that. You know, he subjected himself to that. So
he's gonna learn.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
He's a rookie, and he saw the whole way and
just kept running exactly and God bless the theo like
god like, I would have never allowed. I would have came.
I would have ran up on dude, even if it
was legal. I would have ran up on him just
because he did hit him in the head. I don't
know how it's not targeting too, by the way he
threw his shoulder into his shoulder, but he hit his head.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
If the initial contact is uh led with the shoulder
and contacts the shoulder first.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
There there's He's not He's not the penless. He's a runner,
he's a route. Have to lead. He would have to
lead with the crown of the helmet.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, he didn't lead with but he did hit him
upside the head. He did hit him in the head.
Now you know I would have I would have flipped
out too. But at the same time, I'd have been like, yo, bruh,
like can you get down or get out? Like get down? Man,
Like that ain't cool, that's not cool. You impact more
(10:26):
than yourself when you do that, like and and for
what it is worth you you dang right.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
You want to.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Defend your guy, and that that that type of situation,
like that's not that that looked bad. And if I'm
turning around and I see that like, if it's THEO
Johnson in the situation, it is THEO Johnson in the situation.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
He turns around and.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You see it and you know he's going out due
to those types of injuries before.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And it's that close.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
It's like on it literally was replayed close in terms
of if he was in bounced I'm throwing down to
I'm throwing down.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Well, that's good.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I just you know, I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I also think though this like in two ways, this
kind of described where the Giant season has been. Where
between the field goal TEMs slash, you know, Jackson Dart
who's been evaluated for how many concussions and yet he's
still not figured this out to protect himself. That's been
the Giant season in a nutshell. And I think the
other is like what the Patriots have become where they
(11:26):
are a hard nosed football team and you might say, well,
that might be on the edge of being dirty, but
that's how the game's played man and and Mike Rabel's
comments post game two talking about how you know they're
not going to let you know, these quarterbacks just kind
of waltz around the field and feel like they're safe
out there that's that's a dude who played defense for
forever in the league, won super Bowls, and has coached
(11:48):
forever in this league, and he's instilling the type of
attitude that, to be quite frank, this league needs. Like
this league has gotten so soft towards how they protect
play that it takes the edge off of what's out there.
Like the biggest thing we're talking about from last night's
game is not the game, it's the hit. It's this
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entire conversation. And this is what this sport's missing. We
don't talk boxing and heavyweight matches anymore. Why you don't
have somebody who can knock someone out like Mike Tyson
when we did. That's all you want to see. That's
all you want to talk about. Like, I don't I
don't get what we have to like act like this
is you know, so humane, it's football. I actually it's
(12:30):
gonna be interested.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
They're gonna be that.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I actually think by the way, I actually think this
year has looked more physical or let me say this
year they've let physicality back in the game more so
than it seems like in previous years to where you.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Know what I think it is.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think these defensive players have been able to adjust
now they've had to deal with the bs of how
they've got to hit guys to the point now where
they've been able to adjust. Yeah, And even if you
look at the types of coverages they're playing, a lot
has been talked about in regards to the shell coverage
where a lot of things are kind of in front
of them and so they get to have more of
a running start. They get maybe a little better angle
too with some of the ways they're they're tackling and
(13:11):
approaching these guys. I credit the defenders like I credit
their ability to be able to adapt to adjust.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
And also kind of like fleets, well, yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Always been the case.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And also the kickoff returns because there's more kickoff returns.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Razor back off stinger what you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Do because because there's more kickoffs now, you're seeing guys
get lit up on kick returns now too that you
didn't see before. It just feels like there is It
has appeared to be more physical this year, and I
think maybe I think it was Kayleb Williams. There was
another quarterback who people were looking around, going are they
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going to throw the lag on a hit out? Of bounds,
and it was like they looked at it again and said, no,
he's still in bounds, Like he can't just assume that
the guy is gonna let up. He was still in bounds. No,
I'm just saying, like, but by the way it was
to give you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
By the way, the hit that you you made on
Troy that you just sent us, what's amazing Who sent it?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Oh, Jos, I don't know. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
What's amazing about it, though, is watch the reaction of
all your teammates. It was so normal that like no
one even like not only did the cowboy was not
react to it, your own players didn't react because that
was how the game was played back then.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like like there wasn't a Theo Johnson turning around trying
to you know or.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Know who would have been or who was the tight
end back then? That would have been Nova Checks. I'll
drop kick you in the faith. That was Novacheck that year.
Actually maybe it was, no, but you know.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What I'm saying, like, like, there's no tight end running
ast you because that was how the game was played.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Maybe I am I'm not old.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Maybe it was it was not j Novicheck, My first
year it was Dang Who was the tight end?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I can't remember you sure?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Are you sure it wasn't Novicheck.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
In Maybe it was, Maybe it was.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
It wasn't Novacheck. Novidcheck was done by ninety six.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Good, all right, I knew it was somebody else. It
was another big name, though. It was a tight end
with a big name. I forget I broke. I popped
my Achilles with Whitten. That was with the Giants. I
know I went up against Campbell. No, not Tony Stewart.
Who was there tight end? Was it Ricky Dudley? He
(15:43):
was still in Oakland?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Or man? Who was there tight end in two thousand?
Come on, somebody's got that.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
I'm looking it up. I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
David Lafleur, Jackie Harris, James Whalan, Chris Fontano.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, no, man, I just don't remember him. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I don't remember any of them names. Dang, I don't know. Yeah,
but I do remember going up against Whitten though, I
do remember that anyway. You're right, though, volence was a
part of the game when I played, In fact, before
I even got there, and you got there. The game
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was built on the valance of the sport. Those were
the guys that made it into the Hall of Fame.
Those were the guys and the promos leading up to
the start of the game or promoting the game, it.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Was those hits.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
It was Mike Singletary's eyes, it was you know, Walter
Payton and Earl Campbell running through people's chests.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You know, it's like stuff like that. That's not you're
right man.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It's so funny because I find myself now even looking
at the game differently, like I'd be.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Like, ooh, that was a hard hit, Like what where
are you doing? Far? Tighten up? You know what I mean?
What did I just say? Oh my gosh, that was
a valid hit?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like you yucky?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Oh my gosh, like what you can't look in the
mirror like you can't? Hey, bro?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Now, And that's you look at every hit and you
questioned it where you wonder when.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
It's a big hit, it's like, oh my gosh, are
they okay? I feel like you're a hurt every time
you get a big hit in the game. It's like, oh,
is he hurt?
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you're feeling frisky at Dean Blandino and he's a Tuesday
tradition here on this show. Dean, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what feeling frisky means
time on X.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
But cool, I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
We talked about Yeah, John just likes to wear.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Stuff out, so yeah, you you definitely don't. But yeah, okay, Dean,
I speaking of X I did. I was curious the
context of this. Have you pissed off Lions fans? Because
I saw somebody that wrote this Happy Thanksgiving to all
that celebrate everyone but Dean Blandino. F Dean Blandino. So
(20:17):
what did you do last fans?
Speaker 10 (20:19):
That goes that goes back to twenty fourteen season playoffs
against the Cowboys, defensive flag fourth quarter lines were up
to throw the flag for defensive holding. They make the
announcement it was against the Cowboys, first down, it's gonna
(20:41):
be first down. Lions to make the announcement. Then after
the announcement they get together and pick up the flag,
and then the Cowboys get the ball back to go
back and score and beat beat the Lions. So yeah,
that was my fault apparently, really really, Oh my gosh.
And then I did a video and then I doubled
(21:02):
down when I left the NFL, and I did a
video about how much I loved Detroit and it was
like kind of tongue in cheek and and you know,
it has the most bowling alleys per capita in the country,
and so it's awesome. It was yeah, it was not great.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well done, Deem.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I want to ask you about a separate play. It
wasn't at the NFL level, was at college level. But
I also just want to ask about the fumble out
of the end zone rule.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah, get some word to the team that touch back.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Do you ever see it changing at any point at
any level, because I feel like once it does that,
either college or NFL, maybe it'll change it at both.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
Yeah. You know, this has been It's been a conversation
for a long time. Obviously, had the Jeremiah Smith touchdown
in the in the Michigan O House State game, and
that that play, to me, I mean, that's a tough
one to turn around and have they overturned that which
it like he lost control before the goal line, then
(22:03):
then he regains control, but his foot comes down out
of bounds, and the rule is if you lose control,
basically that's a fumble, you got to repossess it. So
you got to like re catch it with a control
and a foot down. I think that would have been
a very for people to understand that to be a touchback,
(22:24):
although it might have been, the right application of the
rule is a tough one. I don't know a lot
of times. The problem with it, though, is is a
lot of times these fumbles into the end zone are
players just celebrating early and then the ball comes loose
and that that feels like it should be punitive. I
get it when the guy's trying to trying to reach
for the goal line, but you know, the end zone
(22:46):
is different. I like the rule the way it is.
There should be high risk when there's high reward, and
I don't I don't think there'll be a change, but
you know, you never say never.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Dane on the telecast, it seems as though there's a
discrepancy between zero and the ball being snapped, Like is
there is there a delay for us as a viewer
on our couch? Is there is Like how is the
play clock judged when it's being shown to us? And
(23:20):
at times it clearly has hit zero when the snap
has not taken place, but they're allowed to snap the
ball like out? Is that just is that the ref
missing it? Or is there like a delay? Like what's
what's what's the deal on that?
Speaker 10 (23:33):
Well? Look the one the one in in with the
Colts in Texans, that's delay a game. There's that and
what you see what we all see on the broadcast
the score bug that that that is synced to the
stadium scoreboard clock. The stadium scoreboard clock is the official clock.
It's the officials don't keep it. It's it's on the
(23:55):
on the stadium scoreboard. And so that is since what
we all see on the graphic and sometimes like you'll
see that. Then then we insert the actual stadium scoreboard
clock into the picture. And yet they're they're mechanically. The
backage will watch the play clock. It goes to zero,
look at the ball. If the ball is moving, it's
(24:16):
not a foul. But when we talk about delay, it's
fractions of a second. It's not that that that clock
was that zero for for probably a second and a
half two seconds. That that the foul. It should have
been called. And uh, you know that that's something that
you know, we've talked about. I don't know if we
want to be as technical as the NBA is. Where
(24:39):
the NBA, the whistle is tied to the clock. When
the whistle blows, it's it's that's, that's it. It doesn't
work in football with the whistle because the officials rule
to play dead before they blow the whistle. So I
don't know what the answer is there, but that that
should have been a foul.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Indeed, what what's happening with the officials in overtime with
a coin.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Toss like somehow Oh my god, I mean, let me
just explain my question early.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But all right, the coins toss, one team chooses to
either kick or receive it. For some reason, these officials
keep allowing teams to determine to them which way they're kicking,
which is not how that's supposed to work.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
So here, yeah, here's here's what. Okay, So here's what
I think it's happening. Here's what I think it's happening.
The opening coint the coins out of the games, opening
coins us. There's no pressure, there's no big speech, there's
no nothing. It's the captains come out. You are the
visiting team, all right, you know you're the visitor. Called
(25:45):
the toss, he called heads. We flip it, and you
know a majority of the time they defer, right, Then okay, defer,
you go to the other team you want the ball, right,
and then we go from there. So in overtime, we've
gotten caught up on giving this this this soliloquy about
the overtime rules, and you know, both teams get a
(26:07):
possession and da da da da da. So I think
they're they're they're focusing on this, what they're going to say,
and then they just you know, go brain dead. And
and we've had I think three instances in the last
I don't know how many weeks. Well we're letting teams
choose two things and they can't. You can't say we
want to kick in that direction. You say you want
(26:28):
to kick, Okay, the other team's getting the ball and
they get to choose what direction the you know the
kick is going to go in. So I don't know
if there needs to be something with the with the referees.
I mean, all they know it. I think in the
moment a couple of a couple of guys have just
I don't know, they've brain freeze. It's it's it's been.
It's weird.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Adam Thielen did say a couple of weeks ago that
there's a lot of fanboy referees out there who are
just you know, it's a side gig for them, and
they're do you do you get that impression that there's
some guys just are are really happy to just be
there and maybe kind of lack on the details so
to speak.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
Well, I'm gonna yeah, I don't disagree with that that
there are some because I've experienced some officials where their
least favorite part of the job is like the three
hours on Sunday. They like everything about it. They like,
you know, the NFL and wearing the logo and all
(27:26):
that stuff. I don't I think that's very few, and
especially when you get to the head referee position. I mean,
those guys are pretty.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Locked in that kind of in that kind of a problem. Though.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
It is when and you try to weed those people
out when you when you realize you have somebody that
is not taking this. And like I said, I'm talking
about over my however, many years I was at the NFL.
I'm talking about a handful of people, and there were
you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. So yes,
you try to read those people out. This is this,
(28:01):
This is not a side gig anymore. Where you know,
when I first started, it was people officiated and had
they had a full time job. They officiated on the site.
When you get to when you get to you know,
power for conference, when you get to the NFL that's
your main job and you might have something on the side,
and ninety nine percent of officials treated that way. But yeah,
(28:23):
I'm not going to sit here and say that there
aren't some that that may you know that that like
the other part of it, but it's you know, yeah,
if that's if there's people like that, that's a problem.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Dean. It's interesting listening to what you're just saying.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Let me let me ask you this because I feel
like this is kind of interesting, like kind of pulled
a curtain back, Like referees are a type bit mysterious man.
Like you know, you get some faces, you get some names,
and they are you know, recognizable, and they are you know,
guys that you know have built a brand. What was
(28:59):
it like for you, Like do you remember the first
game you ever reft? Like what is what's the routine?
Like do you like Prime that's a teammate of mind.
He used to lay out his uniform and I did
it too, just because I love the way he did
it and I like laid out in my uniform anyway,
do you have it like a is there a pregame
(29:19):
routine that you went through? Did you stretch, like did
you go out did you do warm up drills like
the players do, Like what goes through your mind and
that time and then when you come out on the
field and it's go time.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
What's that feeling like? Like do you have those moments?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Like I know for me, i'd see guys I'd be like, man,
there's Derek Brooks right there, like, oh, they're simion rights
like that. Like you know, like, do you guys have
moments like that going into it? Like what's that feel like?
Do you remember that feeling like the first time you
went out there?
Speaker 10 (29:50):
Well, there's no question officials go through that. For me,
my experience was a little bit different because I did
replay right, so I wasn't on the field, But you
get that routine. Every official, they all have a pregame routine.
They all go through, you know, whether it's a stretching
routine in the lock in the locker room. Then they'll
go out prior to the warm ups and they'll go
(30:10):
out and and check the field and run around and
do whatever they need to do. And in every official,
like you said, like you go out there and you're like, oh, man,
that's Derek Brooks or or or or there. There's there's whoever.
These are people, you know, every official their first game,
the Butterflies. I remember my first game as a replay official,
the Butterflies and everything, and you're sitting here like, this
(30:32):
is the NFL. Oh my god, that's Joe Montana, that's
Tom Brady, that's that's Barry Standers, whoever it is. So yeah,
there's that human element to it. But yeah, there is
totally a routine. And then it becomes the more experience
that you get, it becomes it's just another football game,
and and the names don't matter, the teams don't matter,
(30:53):
and that's where you want your officials to get to.
And there is that you do want the officials to
remain someone anonymous because if we're talking about the officials,
it's not it's never good, right, it's it's it's it's
not a good thing. So you try to, you know,
maintain that anonymity. But yeah, they go through a normal routine.
(31:14):
It's it's the same, it's the same thing every game.
Because that that's how you get better when you kind
of stick to that process and what you're trying to do,
you know, week in week out.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Something else that came up the college fall level but
applies to the NFL too, is when helmet communication goes out,
it happened that o'hasse Michigan. Both teams are allowed to
use the communication at that point.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Is that correct how it's addressed.
Speaker 10 (31:41):
Yeah, it would only be so. So there's the equity rule.
But if if if everything's out on one sideline, then
the other team has to shut theirs down. If there's
some working they can they can keep the other team
can keep theirs up. Because the theory was always you
know and and there's this game games and ship and
things that have happened in the past where where if
(32:03):
we're up, we're up a couple of scores in the
fourth quarter and you know, we're just going to sabotage
our own system, and and and and then and then
they can't use there, so you know, we'll we'll cut
out a couple of ours and they got to cut
out there. So it's that that rule has kind of
gone back and forth. But basically, if everything goes down
and they have a lot of people there now that
(32:24):
can that can make sure that that what the issue
is in troubleshoot it. But there is that equity rule
where you want both teams to be playing on an
even playing field.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Uh, Dean last one for me, we were talking about
this a little bit earlier. It seems like physicality. I
don't know if it's back, because it's not like how
it was maybe back in the day, so to speak,
but it does feel like they're not just throwing a
flag over everything now. And we talked about the Jackson
Dart hit going out of bounds last night. Have you
(32:54):
noticed that as well too? Is it is it the
fact that the kickoff is is back, so to speak,
that they're you know, return up or it does seem
like there's a physicality this year that maybe we hadn't
seen him previous years.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
Yeah, No, I would agree with that. You kickoff has
a lot to do it, and do it you have,
you have so many more actual football plays in the
game because you know, we've gone from thirty percent returns
to to eighty percent returns, you know, and and so
we're seeing more more contact on on certainly that play.
And then you I mean, you know, it's great to
(33:26):
see Jackson Dard after two weeks in concussion protocol really
taking a lesson from that and getting out of bounce
when he should get out of bound, so you know,
and some of it is just you know what, guys
not protecting themselves. But yeah, I do feel the official
has done a good job because it happens so fast
and and and there's there there's gonna be helmet to
(33:47):
helmet contact, and then you've got runners and then guys,
you know, the defensive players trying to tackle them, and
the runners drop their heads a lot of the time time,
So do you think the officials are doing a good job?
And I would agree. You know, look, it's it's not
the it's not the seventies in the eighties, but but
it's definitely you know, we are seeing more physicality, which
is a good thing as long as it's within the rules,
(34:08):
which it feels like it is.
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Speaker 8 (36:05):
Time to find out what's left Towns Incredible.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Here's the left over, Tyler, What do we got?
Speaker 11 (36:13):
Decently fresh? Kind of pulled these from the back of
the fridge. We got some heroes out here.
Speaker 12 (36:18):
Tom Brady and Drewski are teaming up with Go Puff
to make the Monday after Super Bowl a national holiday.
Speaker 11 (36:26):
Yes, I'm talking about Super Monday.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (36:29):
They actually debuted a new TV spot that aired during
the Thanksgiving Games, Packers Versus Lions to get fans took
to support and rally behind this new federal holiday idea.
Speaker 11 (36:39):
What do you boys think?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I mean? We gotta work with my son.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I I guess, sorry I was. I wasn't even listening,
you know.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
If that was if that was me, that fine. I
just want that for the record.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
It is a fine. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
He doesn't. He doesn't get that. First off, I don't
know what you're chiming here. You're not the judge.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
You're right, your judge is talking right now? Yeah, tell
carry on again?
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Ye say, move on to the next story. Move on,
even listen to it?
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Moving on?
Speaker 12 (37:18):
Okay, well on to the next It might be news
to you, because it was definitely news to me. Luka Doncic,
former Maverick current Laker, posted a birthday shout out for
his princess.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
Yes, he is a daddy. He's got a two year
old daughter.
Speaker 12 (37:32):
I had no idea, and he said that he misses
her dearly because she had She and his fiance stayed
behind when he moved to La to play.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
For the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Stayed behind where where he lived before.
Speaker 11 (37:44):
They had just bought a house.
Speaker 12 (37:46):
Okay, but people are saying he's not going to leave
the Lakers, so they might as well sell the house
and move over.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, what are we what are we doing there?
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah? I mean that's something family decision.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm not going to wait all why not?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
What does it matter? What better?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I think they got thrown issues to figure out.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I need some time alone.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
You know they're going to be watching and meetings.
Speaker 10 (38:20):
Now.
Speaker 12 (38:20):
He has lost a lot of weight since he's been gone,
you know, so it'll be a good lifestyle change.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
He have a glow up now that he's out in
l A.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Are you saying it's because his wife and child are
back in downy.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
V?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Are you you are a racist and you got problems?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 10 (38:46):
Bro?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
You just lost.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You just lost to Molly privileges.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Dank ain't doing anything? Who did that?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
This way?
Speaker 5 (39:02):
No way, O way?
Speaker 11 (39:06):
Goodness?
Speaker 12 (39:06):
Uh well, var you might be excited about this left
over the a FDA approved a new drug that can
make your dog live a much longer life. Oh, researcher
saying it specifically for bigger dogs.
Speaker 11 (39:20):
No, it's yeah, make them harder longer.
Speaker 12 (39:25):
So researchers are saying that they aren't turning dogs into superpets,
but they're actually helping them stay healthy longer, keep them
mobile and energized for more years, influencing how their bodies
break down over time.
Speaker 11 (39:37):
So mister Stix is in good shape.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
If he gets this, that's a great marketing campaign. Can't
campaign their employee of sorts.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
And then that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Drugs that live longer, can't you just like take care
of them, feed them well, you know all good stuff.
Speaker 12 (39:51):
Well, with big dogs, their joints go down. They usually
have a lot of skin issues.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
So yeah, yeah, I had big dogs. I'm just saying,
I don't know that. You know, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I got a big dogs every day and I ain't
relying on nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now, what happens if you are pumping full of drugs
and they just run across the freeway one day.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
We say, you got to read the fine print. You got,
you got, you gotta make sure you check out the
little things in the print.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know, if they had but a tacoma in sixty five,
how's that going?
Speaker 6 (40:27):
You got problems
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