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On this episode of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington talk about the David Montgomery trade and how it impacts the Lions in using Jahmyr Gibbs going forward. Plus, the guys have some fun reacting  to Trae Young getting ejected in the Wizards game before he even suited up, the guys chat with Pete Prisco, and more!!

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Speaker 4 (00:39):
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Come on?

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Morning?

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Speaker 7 (02:13):
I told you it was a dicey little car ride
get into the studio today.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
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Speaker 4 (02:25):
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Speaker 7 (02:33):
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In a particular airport for the rest of the day.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
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you know, blessed to be out here. But uh, yeah,
no it was. It was the ride here was a
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I don't know. It's skeet in Las Vegas sometimes.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know, hey, look man, this time of morning, we're
a super Bowl. That's just the way that town rolls. Like,
That's just you know, when you're trying to get to
do the show in the two am hour to for
a three am local star time, that's just the way
they roll.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
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Speaker 4 (03:28):
People are up.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
I am hearing a lot of complaints about the in
affordability now of Las.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Vegas, so that that is like a consistent theme.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
Doesn't matter who picks you up, they'll start talking about it.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
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about it. I mean people still keep coming out here
for conventions and work, man. I mean I I don't
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Speaker 4 (03:49):
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Speaker 2 (03:51):
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Speaker 7 (03:54):
You know, they charge for every now you know, parking, drinks,
when you're gambling, even the buffets are more expensive and
just it's hard for you know, it's made people to
come back out and afford it.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
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Speaker 4 (04:05):
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Speaker 2 (04:08):
No different one.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
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was even even closer.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
To well Sin city.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, just try not sinning. Oh easy for anybody. I
get in and neted out. All work all right?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, alright, So work on the subject of the NFL
no feeling and uh yeah, the no feelings not for long.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
This was kind of speculated about following the combine that
maybe there was a move that was going to be made,
and there was a move that was made as David
Montgomery of the Detroit Lions was traded to the Houston
Texans in exchange for offensive lineman Juice Scrugs and two
draft picks, a twenty twenty six fourth round pick this

(04:56):
year and then next year a seventh round pick, which
will probably get trade around two or three more times,
and then that'll be featured in my bottom mock ten
draft that will do next year. But that is the move.
It felt like they were heading in this direction. Montgomery's
got a year left on his deal. Jamiir Gibbs is
clearly the guy, so Detroit probably feels like we can

(05:17):
get younger, we can get cheaper in the draft of
that position for a complimentary back. But the Houston Texans
do get some help at running back, which they desperately needed.
Nobody seems to know what the hell's going on with
Joe Mixon. It appears that he's most likely going to
get released based on reports. It was not available at
all last year. There was wild speculation about what was

(05:38):
really going on with him. And so you had Woody Marx,
you had Nick Chubb, which was not a lot of
help for the Houston Texans. Quarterback CJ. Stroud, So it
feels like makes some sense, provides some assistance and some
help to the Texans and their running attack. And now
the Detroit Lions are most likely probably going to attack

(05:59):
this themselves in the draft to find somebody to be
the next in line to help out Jamier Gibbs in
that backfield as well too.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
I get this for Detroit. You draft capital in return,
and you're moving on with the player you feel like
is the better player. You want to give more touches,
so it makes sense. You know, you don't have to
divide carries with David Montgomery. How does this make as
much sense for the Texans? I feel like they've done
this a number of times under nic Caosseira, their general manager,
that they go to a veteran running back. And again

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we have Pete prisco On and he will tell you
running backs grow on trees. He's unfortunately pound that into
my brain to the point where now I do question
saying like David Montgommer's had a lot of carries, a
lot of wear and tear. He's a veteran. He comes
in and immediately you know, you know he can do
his job. But how does this make as much sense?

(06:51):
For the Texans, Like, why would they use a mid
round pick or something to go with a guy who'll
be younger, who they could maybe get more out of
the long run as opposed to give get that draft
capital to a team that's you know, still very much
much in the mix. I know it's a different conference.
I just it doesn't make as much sense to me
for the Texans it does for the Lions.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
I battle with myself on the idea that running backs
are a dime a dozen't. I battle with myself and listen,
there are a lot of talented running backs out there.
What you don't have a lot of are talented dual
duo backs. When you have talented dual backfields, it makes

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for a more productive season by one of those guys.
Somebody emerges, another one may play the background, one may
re emerge, the other one.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
May take a backstep to that.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
And it seems to one keep a healthy a healthy
level of internal, you know, competition. But I think it
also is a way to keep your guys, you know,
playing at a high level throughout the course of a season.
Now he's dealt with with an MCL injury out at

(08:19):
some point, a couple injuries during his career, but for
the most part, I mean, Montgomery's been a reliable, solid
back for this team. I just think this, this, uh,
this doesn't to me. And I know I always sound
like I'm negative, But when you start disrupting the fabric
of what makes a team a team, then then now

(08:43):
you're going down the lane where there's uncertainty as to
possibly and potentially what they could be. If Jamier Gibbs
is the full time guy, which he will be the
full time guy this year without having that that change
up back there, or very different styles, contrasting.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Styles in the way they run.

Speaker 8 (09:03):
One is more powerful in between the tackles while the
other one is a more coast to coast, big play,
explosive player. If he has to go in there for
the duration and the load of what's going on, or
you get a backup that isn't as effective as Montgomery
was and how he was able to run the ball

(09:23):
and beat the defense up and soften the belly. Maybe
Jamir Gibbs isn't as productive as he's been being with
Montgomery in the backfield. That would be my biggest concern
for Detroit. And I just wonder does this signal a slight.
I won't say a total rebuild because it's just this

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is their first year not having the type of success
that they need it. But I mean, they finished last
in their division, So does this signal a change? I
think that would be my biggest question is not what
did you get at of it? Where are you trying
to gore? What is your maneuvering here for? And it

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would would assume you would assume it was the lack
of results that they were able to get last year.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
From the Detroit side of things. Yeah, yeah, Look, Dan
Campbell alluded to it, you know, and you made mention
of this yesterday that you know you can't who knows
if you'll ever get back to this point again. And
if you just look at the Lions on a two
year run, they went from you know, basically the same
old Lions got some momentum because they beat Green Bay

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on the on the season finale in week eighteen or
week seventeen, whatever it was the year before, and then
they come to the next year, they get to the
NFC title game, they got an opportunity to beat the Niners.
Dan Campbell, you know, turns into Dan Gamble again. They
lose that game. Then they're hosting a playoff game against

(10:54):
Washington and lose the very next year, and then you
see this year, and I just wonder if that was
because everybody's windows a little bit differently, if maybe that
really was their peak, because now you are starting to
change the success of the team. Players are starting to
get paid. Ben Johnson is gone, you know, Aaron Glenn's gone,

(11:16):
but it'll probably be back anyways. Uh, there's there's like
all of the like what you had there in a
bottle was broken open by a tough loss in an
NFC title game and Washington pulling off an upset in
which Detroit was melting down at home in a playoff game,
and I just, yeah, I do wonder if that's just

(11:38):
the way the league works. You've got your time, you've
got your opportunity. If you don't cash in. There are
teams like the Chiefs that have staying power. There are
teams like the Patriots that have had staying power. The
Bills seem like they're always in the mix, but maybe
you know, Detroit's like a Cincinnati where hey man, you
had your chance, you were at in the in the
super Bowl with an opportunity you didn't cash in and

(12:00):
this is just going to become your reality moving forward.
And then from the Houston side, I don't know, man,
I just think about it. They don't trust CJ.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Stroud.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean, we gotta find a running game. Our defense
is a hell of a defense.

Speaker 9 (12:16):
We should have been hoisting a super Bowl trophy if CJ.
Stroud didn't sell us, if we had a real run game,
we might have won the super Bowl this year. And
they wouldn't be wrong, not with that defense. Get you
a running back, get you a running game. And they
tried to get it with Mixon. Like we said, his
health has been bad.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
But I looked at it more as they needed to
give him some help and like get a running back
back there that can help protect him, that can help
be a check down, a dump down, something like that.
I mean, they moved on from Titus Hower, they traded
him for the Brown, so clearly they didn't feel like
he was the answer helping to protect him. But I
thought there was an element of just protecting CJ.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Stroud.

Speaker 7 (12:56):
Maybe you're right, maybe it is helping him out too.
I also was thinking about it both.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
He doesn't think one have to be false for the
other to be true on that statement, right.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
The new offensive coordinator in Detroit, remember that John Morton
last year, Drew Petsing is now going to take over,
And I just I look at maybe the style of
the coordinator too, and what they're looking to build on
offense and how it may differ from what they had
before Ben Johnson. I mean, jonas you follow the Bears,
I mean, you know how they kind of had a
two back system with DeAndre Swift and Kyle Manung guy,

(13:27):
so you know that they're and there are very different
backs in the way they went.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
About using them.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
So I look at that and wonder how much of
the Dave of Montgomery Jamiir Gibbs combination and what each
back did and the value that they experienced in Detroit
together was the personality of who was calling the place,
you know, versus now you've got, you know again a
running back who's going to go to the Houston Texans.

(13:53):
Maybe davidont Canna be the future back or not, And
maybe he fits that role for what they're looking for
in Houston, but for what Drew Petson wants to do,
he's probably saying, I need to get Jamiir Gibbs as
many touches as possible when he's in the prime of
his career like this, and you know, as much as
I like having David Montgomery, we still feel like we
might be missing out on a few explosive plays because

(14:14):
he's not in he's not touching the football, so there
never should be a time when he comes off the
field or very seldom.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
I wonder how much that plays a factor too, is
they are trying to reinvent themselves, at least offensively, as
we saw now the impact that the absence of Ben
Johnson had on that offense.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I kind of under I guess undervalued the impact of
Ben Johnson leaving because it was like, I know, they're
getting a different play caller, but you know, still there's
a lot of time at this point, and then it's
really obvious that you I mean, you saw Dan Campbell
start calling plays last year at one point because of
what was going on, and it just became really obvious

(14:53):
that there was really something missing there because that the
Bears turned into what the Lions had turned into in
games like in Philadelphia when they went in there on
that Black Friday game and just ran the ball down
their throat and just continued to run the ball. It
wasn't a they were just going to throw it around.
It looked like the Lions previously two different backs, but

(15:16):
it looked like a lot of Ben Johnson and the
success Detroit had. He brought that to Chicago, and I
just I wonder if in the long run, we're going
to look back at that move and go man, maybe
that was a secret ingredient.

Speaker 8 (15:29):
They had a run game. Man, They had a balance
running attack, and it kept things. It kept things honest
for the Detroit Lions. They were able to benefit from it,
and they did not have that balance this year. They
had great plays, big plays from Jamiir Gibbs, but they
did not achieve the balance that they were able to

(15:52):
under under Ben Johnson. Then, I mean, again, I'm not
saying doom and gloom. I'm not saying this is the end.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
But but.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
Detroit's run, I'm not saying Montgomery is the reason why.
Be clear, I'm not saying he's the reason why, but
he's part of the total sum of the reason why.
There's there could be the strong possibility with the improvement
to steady improving of the division that they're in, that

(16:24):
their window has gotten a whole lot closer to not
being open.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, if and Britty you mentioned the Titus Howard trade
as well too. If you're the Texans and you've traded
away forty of your offensive line already in the off season,
is that an indication that maybe they felt like that
was something they needed to get better at. I maybe
there's no no, Maybe there's sick Maybe there's a you're

(16:55):
almost fifty of them, Maybe there's a you know, maybe
there's a tell there that they might be attacking the
offensive line, which.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Half of the line. Probably you get an arm and
a leg somewhere in there. And this is why too.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
I think when you look at where the organization's out
with CJ. Stroud, there's a commitment there. I think they
know they're gonna have to extend him. I think for
people who think that there's concerns, I think they think
he's a franchise guy, and I think they're trying to
set this thing up so they can protect him better,
they can give him a better run game, and they
can help make their way through the AFC South and

(17:35):
try to make their way.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
To a super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
I feel like that's where they feel like this team
is that the defense is the defense. You knew, you know,
Demiko was gonna, you know, build up this team on
that side of the ball. But I feel like they're
probably listening to c J. Strouds and like, I need
more protection, I need better help. And don't get me wrong,
he struggled, but he has been under a lot of duress.
I mean it's not like it's been the best protection

(17:59):
since he's been there. So a lot of these offseason moves,
I think they're setting up, you know, for this to
be a season that that's a big year for Houston,
but also for CJ.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
Stroud and and him cashing in. As good as that
defense is, they got to be a run first team.
You cannot, you cannot throw games away or just depend
on the arm of any quarterback.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
But who's a run first team? Now? I think there's
still some run first team almost sixty percent of the time.

Speaker 8 (18:26):
Yeah, they may throw more, but I still think that
Georgia Tech, there are still teams that subscribe to the
run being the major piece of there. Like, I don't
think that sixty percent just because of sixty percent that
they still don't think run first. Like I think the
Patriots was a run first team. I think the both
teams that were in the Super Bowl were run first team.

(18:48):
I think the Texas want to be a run first team.
Hell I think I think that the Jory Lions want
to be a run first team. There are a lot
of run first teams. The reason why Tom and the
Steelers weren't as effective as they needed to be in
years past recently because they weren't. They weren't able to be.

(19:09):
There's LaVar's opinion. Yeah, then there's the truth.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's an opinion. We have any little game searcher music, there.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
We go, all right, all right, who is the number
one team in rush attempts for the twenty twenty five season.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
I'm not I'm not entertaining this game because at the
end of the day, even if you're a run if
you've run the ball, a lot doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay, how do you define run first?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Then?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Before you ruin our game, show how right? I don't
want to ruin your I don't want to ruin I
just don't want to take part of it.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Okay, don't don't Yes? Good, yeah, good, I'm going to
go Baltimore the Philadelphia Eagles. See LaVar should have played
LeVar should have played LaVar.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
You were right.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
The number one rush team was the Baltimore Ravens last season.
Do you know what percentage of rushes that was for
the playcafs.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know. Fifty They are the highest in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, but he doesn't get he doesn't get any points,
so that he should be docked points because he cut
in line. It was my turn to go.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
But you said every team, every other team in the
NFL through the football when they ran at Philadelphia is
actually six in the list. They ran the football about
forty seven and a half times.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
I think you have to throw the ball the amount
of times that you have to because the other teams
are throwing the ball the amount of time like, I don't.
I don't think that in consideration of It's almost like
the three point shot when Steph Curry started making. You
might still be a go to the rim team in
theory personality wise, but you might have to develop and

(20:50):
shoot more threes because they're hitting more threes. It's an
evolution and evolving of how you adjusted an adapt to
trying to be competitive. But that doesn't mean that you're
still You're not a run first team just because your
percentage is lower, you still may be trying to establish
the running I think the stats we can we could

(21:11):
we can have this debate on I think you would
have I think you would have to dig deeper into
the stats and look at what are the percentages of
runs on first down? What are first down? What is
the percentage of runs on first down? That would establish
would you include second down then and potentially second down
potentially because.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I just going to throw a third down?

Speaker 7 (21:32):
And what you're missing out on the teams that are
trailing of a high percentage of trailing, they're gonna throw
the football more because they have to.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Get back into it. You can't run as much.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
So that's correct. For example, there's on our Cardinals they
strolled a lot. They threw it last year more than anyone.
That's also because they had some issues at running back.
There's also some other issues as well. But a lot
of the teams that that's struggling out, you could we
can say that. But the Rams, for example, they threw
the football about what would that be, fifty eight percent
of the time. So there's there's a good example of

(22:04):
teams that were actually good that through the football when
they ran it, but most teams in the NFL now
are throw first teams, not run first anymore the league.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
You should be a lawyer, especially because you you moved
the goal post on conversations and you get to the
conclusions and the way you deliver it sounds really convincing.
But that's not to me. You say truth versus what
the reality of it is. Again, well, there's your.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
Opinion and then there's like the facts. Now all that
and that's that's there, and you can keep having it.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Here's what the.

Speaker 8 (22:38):
Truth, here's what I know. There's levard's opinion in Brady's truth.
You have a very I'm just going out.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Would you call him Cochrane.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
No, because he's no, because his voice doesn't come across
as a minority voice. It's a very trusting majority voice.

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That's supposed to I know. And Johnny Cochran got done
it for the ones. Yes.

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We have a technical foul on Trey Young for running
on the court and he's at an.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Ejective, oh wow wow.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Can't give on work though.

Speaker 11 (25:29):
That's a follow on Houston and the play is being
reviewed to see if it's potentially flagrant.

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(25:56):
should be at A congratulations to Trey Young of the Wizards.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah yeah, baby, How you can get fired on your
day off? That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
I can't come on the court.

Speaker 7 (26:08):
Argie Calls hasn't even played yet, already got ejected out
of the game.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Can I ask this about Trey Young?

Speaker 7 (26:17):
I feel like he came into the NBA as the
second coming, or at least was billed as the second coming.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Of Steph Curry. Is that fair?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Hasn't exactly gone the way we thought.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
And I know it took Steph Curry a little while
before he became Steph Curry. And by the way, no
one's gonna doubt Tree Young's talent, But why in your
minds has he not come.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Together the way they thought? And this league's built for him, right?
I mean it's it is a.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Three point shooting, spread it out, you know, that's where
the game is. It literally plays into his skill set
in and into his hand.

Speaker 8 (26:56):
We'll never see another Steph Curry. So if they if
he is being built up to be the next Steph Curry,
that's that's that's strike number one, two and three already,
Like you can compare the dude and and he's got
great handles. He's he's been pretty good in terms of
distribution of of the ball. He can score. He developed

(27:19):
a nice reputation in Atlanta. But he's not He's not
he's not even an A level He's not an A
level talent in in the league. He's really good, and
he's at really really bright moments, but there's not a
level of consistency and there's not a level of dominance

(27:40):
connected to his game where he impacts games on a
on a regular basis like Steph Curry. I mean, he's
also Steph Curry. Also, I think had a better infrastructure
than Trey Young.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's yeah, Atlanta has been a bit of a mess
for a long time.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Now, that's a good call. This actually surprised me because, look,
we went.

Speaker 8 (28:02):
To that same infrastructure, the same team, had the same players.
Trey Young still with pale in comparison to Steph Curry
just and that's Levar's opinion that that's probably not truth.
But that's Levar's opinion.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Is that a sensitive?

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Fine?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
What happened there?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Sensitive?

Speaker 4 (28:24):
No?

Speaker 8 (28:24):
No, I just like Petty, that's odd and I love
referencing what was it in reference to the last SEGMENTE get
But that's that's what Q does.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Q Q hits me with. There's the truth and then
there's levard's opinion. I just had every other stats.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
Dude, you don't have to get upset because I'm not
upset what it says.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Bro Listen, that's a misleading stat But to everybody out there,
go go with the misleading stat and and and love
and love and live with it.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Can I give you a can I give you Let
me just.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Throw this out there. Four time All Star he was,
he was runner up for Rookie of the Year. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
I just want to be clear. I'm not making the
case that he hasn't had a good career. That add
is a good career thus far throughout the course of it.
I think people tend to forget how good he was coming.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Out of Oklahoma.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
Sure, I mean he averaged twenty seven points a game,
about nine assists a game. I mean he was firing
shots from the logo type style of play and it
and again, maybe you're right, maybe it is the infrastructure
around Atlanta, given some of the decisions they've made, and
in particular of late you know, it was a Magic

(29:37):
City night that Oh yeah, we got enough by the way,
it feels like happened things outside.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Of not everybody the players. Yeah, you had to cancel that.

Speaker 8 (29:48):
But here's here's why I thought you guys were going
to say Kyrie Irving, he would be more of a
comparison to Kyrie than to Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, I don't think that is it took it to
the rack like that. I don't that was his game.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Also, it was a slasher. No, he was more of
a He's a jump shooter, jump shooter slasher. If there
was if there was no Steph Curry, Trey Young would
be viewed completely different because if you just look at
his numbers, and the natural instinct is to compare him
to Steph Curry and and I totally get it, and

(30:23):
it's fair. But if you just looked at his numbers,
if you looked at his numbers, Tray Young third all
time in assists per game. He trails I think John
Stockton and Magic Johnson. He's for his comparable to Steph
Curry because because it's a different and Steph Curry's not
on that list. Steph Curry is a score, is a score.

(30:46):
But it's not like Trey Young can't score. The guy's
averaging twenty six a game for his career. Like he's
had a really, really, really good career, but he'll never
compare to Steph Curry. And so because there's always going
to be that comp he's never going to be able
to live up to that. He's just not going to
And and it doesn't like he's had a wonderful career,

(31:08):
but I think the Steph Curry being present and playing
at the same time is going to completely overshadow whatever
trade is going to be a Hall of Fame. No,
he won't, Yes he will. You don't think Trey Young's
going to be a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
No. Ben Wallace was a Hall of Fame and he's.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Got championships, like three of them, like Big Time, Big
Time Basketball played by Ben Wallace. I think Ben Walls
has one title, maybe one, and that's more than one.
And he's like an eight eight point game score to
two titles. Yeah, but he rebounded and he played defense
also with the with the Basketball Hall of Fame as been.

(31:49):
As Ben Maller likes to point out, Muffett McGraw was
in UH is in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
All right, we get the drums, we go, let's go
there we go.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
How many championships has been Wallace one? I thought he
had at least two?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Is only one?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's just one? Do you go four?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
But didn't they get two or three?

Speaker 7 (32:11):
And by the way, he was also he was no,
he was also at four time they went to one.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Young is already at that point. Maybe I wanted them
to win more. I really liked that team. They were
fun to. It was Ahawn Prince, Sayshawn Prince, Chauncey Billups,
Chauncey point Rip Hamilton. Yeah, the Wallace boys, Darko, I
have all their there. I have game warn sneakers from
all of them, Darko Milicic. I believe you would, but

(32:41):
he wasn't you would know Jonas would?

Speaker 4 (32:44):
I think he? I think he drove Brady to the
studio this morning.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's up for debate. I just I've never seen a
Russian Russian license plate in UH.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
In America, the States. I mean, how does that clearly mentioned?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'm like, if I've been kidnapped, where are we going here?

Speaker 8 (33:00):
Oh that's that diplomat, that's that diplomat status. You got
that PJ he might have been.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I surely wasn't you know that.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
What's funny about the going back to that Pistons team.
The only reason they took Darko in the draft.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh God, there we go now.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Is because Carmelo Anthony was there and they felt like
they already had somebody playing the same position, and it
was I think it was Tayshawn Prince was the guy
was already there in Detroit, and they felt like, well,
well we'll draft by need and not my best, but
not by best available, and so they took Darko, who
never really mapped out or panned out. But it was

(33:41):
that Ultimately Detroit won the title and Carmelo didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Ever win one. Yeah he's a Hall of Famer, Oh yeah,
he should be.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
But if they would have drafted Tree Young, I don't.
I don't think he's a Hall of Famer today. I
don't think he's a Hall of Famer for will be
by the end of his career.

Speaker 10 (34:00):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I don't know, man, I think it's.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Help to overcome that at the Wizards. I mean, especially
when you're getting objective.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
From games you're not playing in.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
Maybe I'm I mean, maybe I'm not trying to be
a hater, but maybe I am. I mean, maybe I
need to acknowledge the fact that I have. I don't
have any reason to hate him. I don't think that
there's no he's never been the guy in the league.
He's never been the guy like when you talk about
all of the guys like.

Speaker 7 (34:30):
I mean for Atlanta he was at the time for Atlanta. Well, yeah,
trying to be a guy for a team.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, that doesn't make you a hot By by
the way, that's not the bar for for a Hall
of Famer in in the NBA. Just to be clear,
Like that's not the bar if that's what you're thinking,
this is it ain't that in the NBA. Yeah, if
Deon's not happy with the Hall of Fame credentials that
are currently in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, go
look at the NBA.

Speaker 8 (34:57):
You never said, and you talk about the upper echelonce
of players in the league. His name is not a
name that pops like, it's not coming up he's had.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I mean, you can't be an All Star that. Look,
I'll say this, that.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Is one league where when you were an All Star,
you're an All Star.

Speaker 8 (35:16):
Like that does not say, that does not There are
a lot of All Stars that are not in the
Hall of Fame, a lot a lot.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
So if he gets to like eight or nine All Stars,
well that's a little different. That's a little four now. Yeah,
that's four is and that's not enough.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's what Ben Wallace had. Yeah, but he has ring.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
He has a ring ring.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
He has a ring ring.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
That still matters.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'm not I'm just saying you're making a case for
force not enough. You've just made a case for guys
in with four. That's different. There, there is different, different man,
He's twenty different.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
It's different, twenty five people different, twenty having ten for
his career.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
Yeah, I don't see him as a Hall of Famer,
and y'all could be disappointed when he doesn't get that call.
Not today, He's not a Hall of Famer today for four.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Four all star pill putting a jacket on him right now.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Four at the Hall of Famer when it's all said
and done.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
Yeah, Okay, I guess we just see the world differently,
which is fine, and.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
We're seeing the glasses have full, you know.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
I guess, man, my glass is full. I don't need
it to be half full half empty. It's my my
glass is overflowing. But I just like to feel like
I live in reality, that's all. Well, I don't know
where y'all live.

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(37:51):
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Speaker 5 (38:06):
Morning, what's up, guys, How are you hi?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
P Hey, you survived the combine?

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Man, I made it. I made it, you know, not
without a few you know, arguments football.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
What happened?

Speaker 7 (38:21):
We were Ben Johnson give you a shout out. Apparently
you're eckoing him about not kicking more field goals.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean I tell them all
kick your field goals, you win games. And in that interview,
and then I talked to him afterwards, but in the
interview he said, well, we'll make more of them and
we'll convert you. And I said, you're never converting me. Ever,
I don't get I don't believe in it. I think
you get there's there's certain situations you could go for it,
but you don't need to go for it all the time.

(38:47):
And so you know, they always try and explain why
they do it after the fact, and look, I listened
to them, and I just don't agree with them. I
think there's if he had kicked field goals in the playoffs,
probably would have won. If leam own that kicked his
field goals up ten nothing, probably would have won. If
Sean McVay had kicked the field goal to cut it
to one with instead of going forward and fourth down
late the game, probably would have won. And and then

(39:10):
there was one other one. I forget who the other
one was, but Denver, if Sean Sean Payton kicks his
field goal, he wins. So basically four teams eliminating the
playoff because the didn' kick field goals.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Wow. Let me let me ask you about the trade
with Montgomery. Did you do you like it? How do
you feel about it?

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah? Let me let me trade two draft picks for
a running back entering his eighth year. That makes a
lot of sense. I mean no, come on, okay, it
makes no sense to me. I mean there you can
find running backs in the fourth and fifth and sixth round,
and so why would you go trade picks for a
running back who's entering his eighth year in the league.

(39:51):
It doesn't you know, And a granted I get he
doesn't have a lot of tons of carries on his body,
but it's still you're you're going to be twenty nine.
You know you're getting too the witch hour of a
running back career. And I wouldn't trade draft picks for
any running back. So no, to answer your question.

Speaker 8 (40:05):
I know we were made aware that you would pooh
pooh it because you think that running backs are come
a dime a dozen.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Well, they're not a dime a does and some are
better than others, there's no question about that. But by
drafting one, when you draft them, LeVar.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
You're already okay, you're.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Already you're already on the clock for life expectancy of
that back in your in your in your program. Whereas
most of the time, if you draft a guy in
a different position, you're going to have him for at
least you're going to try to keep him for most
of his career. Look at look at the running backs
that have changed teams. I mean, they all change teams.
And I think when you look at it from that standpoint,

(40:45):
I just don't think you get bang for your buck
with the running back position. So that's why I wouldn't. Look.
There are certain cases where I would draft the running
back in the first round. If you're you know, if
you're sitting there and there's not somebody that in another
position of your need that you need to get that,
I can understand that. I just don't think in the end.
And look, I had a conversation with the Raiders and

(41:06):
you know, spy Tech. I said, look, I get it,
you drafted gent. I think he's a good player, but
guess the value of that position. I wouldn't do it.
And so there's always going to be the push back
on that. And I always, you know, reach back onto
the shelf and pull one off. That's what I do.
And all the guys in the running backs I work for,
they get mad, they work with they get mad at me.

(41:27):
I go, there's one right there, pull them off the shelf,
put them in there. You go, Okay, you're in go
run for one hundred and twenty, because that's basically what
it is.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Senior
NFL columnists for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analysts. You
can get them on next at Prisco CBS. Pete, what
was the wildest rumor that you heard about a potential
move while at the combine in Indie, whether it be
a draft, a signing, a trade, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Well, I don't know if they're rumors. I think some
of the wildest things are facts, like Malik Willis is
going to get over thirty five the thirty to thirty
five million dollars a year in a contract in which
I think probably could happen.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Who's gonna sayn that.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I mean, is
it going to be Arizona? I mean, is Arizona going
to allow Kyler Murray, who they don't want out the door,
to go pay Malik Willis? And I mean that that
to me is is Malik Willis better better than Kyler Murray? No, No,
And so I don't understand that. So that that's that's

(42:28):
one of the wildest things I heard. You know, then
then you have guys like I mean, I argument with him.
Chris Sims sent out a tweet saying, oh, look at
Milik Willis is going to be a superstar. And I went, Chris,
what are you talking about? Well, you don't, you know,
you don't know, you don't know. Same people didn't think
Patrick Mahomes will be any good. And I go, no, no,

(42:48):
I was one of the guys that actually thought Patrick
Mahomes would be good. So you can't go there. And
he's like, and I go, I know, your dad can't
possibly think that Malik Willis is going to be a superstar.
He goes, oh, he thinks he's really good too, and
I go, oh too. Sims are wrong, man, I.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Mean, can I ask you about Daniel Jones, you know,
maybe staring at the franchise tag, but also in a
similar situation of what he was in New York.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
How do you see this playing out? Just what do
you think of Daniel Jones? Is he deserving of that
tag or that long term deal?

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Well, I think they're going to protect themselves by putting
the tag on it, whether it's the transition tag or
the franchise tag. They're going to try and protect themselves
to try and get more time if they can't get
a long term deal done with them today, that's what
I think they want to do. They want to keep him.
I think ideally he'd like to be there. And the
other thing is is you get put the transition tag
on him. Where's he going? Who's going to sign him
to a long term contract and then have the team

(43:41):
with the ability to match it. And some people have said,
well maybe Minnesota, but the Vikings don't have any money.
They're releasing veterans to try and get clear of the
cap as it is, so I don't know where he
would go. So I think this the mechanism for this
is to protect themselves as they work out a long
term deal, because if they can work out a long
term deal with him today, then they can put the

(44:02):
tag on Piers and I think that's that's what they'd
like to do. And again, remember this regime, they traded
two ones to go get Sauce Gardner, right, so they're
all in and everybody in the world knows Chris Ballard
needs to win now, so he's got to make sure
that he has this quarterback in place. And I think
he's got to make sure he keeps out Piers. So

(44:22):
I would think that if they don't get a long
term deal done with with Jones today, then they tag
him and then try and get a long term deal
done with him. But they're in their grand schemes. They
get both on them back.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
As you're in that in your mind, what he's done
so far in Andy, what.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Jaron Achilles and break a leg? I mean, you know, well,
this is how desperate we are in this league right now,
is you've got a guy coming up in Achilles who
played with a broken leg, who's going to get probably
forty million dollars a year to play quarterbacks for you.
I mean what, we're desperate. And if you think about it,

(45:03):
they tested them aside with the Giants. They didn't want them.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
See, he didn't change your mind at all last year
when he was playing and playing at high level.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
You gotta give me more than seven ten games or
whatever it was. Brady, Come on, do you think he's
a forty million dollars year quarterback?

Speaker 7 (45:20):
Well, look, I don't think milk should be as an
egg should be as expensive as they are. It doesn't matter,
it's what it costs, right Like we have the we
can have this philosophical debate.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
All we won.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
If you believe he's a franchise quarterback, which I think
Chris Ballard and Shane Steike can do, then they've got
to pay that price.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Well, okay, but I'm gonna go I'm gonna use the
New York Jets as example. What the hell are they
doing at quarterback? Okay? And and and so when you
look at the Jets.

Speaker 7 (45:46):
Malik Willis, Daniel Jones, I don't know doing Go tank,
Go tank, place play play anybody and tank.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
And then you go into the draft next year and
get all those draft picks and you go get yourself
a quarterback. But all your doing is delaying the inevitable
with those guys, that's all you're doing. You're not getting
to where you need to be. You're not getting a
franchise quarterback. So everybody thinks, oh, well, we can piece
it together and get a quarterback in there and win
nine ten games, and then then what then what? Then
you're stuck with the guy. And somebody said, well, they

(46:17):
could trade a second round pick for mac Jones, they
could trade a second round pick for you know, Beijing.
You can trade and then what happens, then you're stuck
with that guy. Now what if he plays okay, then
you're stuck with him now for the next decade. Give
me a break, What are we doing? Go Tank, go
into the draft next year and go get one of
the quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Tank?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Can I follow up and ask you this question?

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Pete?

Speaker 7 (46:42):
On that note, I said this, I think it was yesterday,
and LeVar feels like I'm going out on a limb
here saying this. But I said, if Fernando Mendoza was
in next year's quarterback draft class, I'm not sure how
high he be ranked, Like, I don't know that he'd
be higher than maybe four five is somewhere in that ball.
I'm not quite sure because it's such a loaded class.
I've been into Combine before where I've heard the buzz

(47:05):
about future classes. Did you hear some of that at
this year's Combine?

Speaker 5 (47:10):
No question about it. But but again, Brady, going into
this year, there was a lot of buzz about this
year's class at one point, remember I mean everybody, Yeah,
but that was.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
Here's Here's what I'd say, is I never bought into that.
I like Leonora's like the Leonori sellers that there's a
number of players that I was.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
Like tellers and nuts. Myyron wasn't any good, and you
were a big.

Speaker 7 (47:32):
Nuts, my guy, and a lot of people, you know,
some of the quarterbacks that are throwing around, I didn't
see it. It's to me, it's this next year's class,
twenty twenty seven. I've said this all along. These guys
have heard it enough. But that's the class that I
look at and say, there could be five or six
guys to go in the first round.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
I'm with you. I'm with you, and you're talking about
Arch who probably will end up being number one. By
the way, I.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
Would take CJ's Carr's odds over him right now. Well
you know what more might go over both of them.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
No, No, Dante more your guy, Notre Dame. You got
the kid at usc You got the kid at UCLA.
If he's got broad talent. I mean, you know there's
that kid's big.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Long but the kid I you, I mean, you could
go down the list.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
There's a lot of Hoover the swordsby kid.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
The kid in Miami this year. Darien Mens is going
to be an interesting prospect to watch.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
I mean, by so so to answer your question, yes,
So that's why if you're the Jets tank tank, why
would you want to win?

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Pete? Don't you don't you feel like that's kind of
what Miami and Arizona are doing though, too, because it
like you can't argue, like I don't want to hear that, well,
Miami's got a better option at quarterback or Arizona's got
a better option at quarterback other than those two. But
it feels like even if Miami's got a swallow ninety
nine million dollars in dead cap money, it just feels
like their decision to move on and not give it

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a go understanding nobody's probably going to trade for those
guys and it's going to hurt him from a cap standpoint,
seems to me like we've seen, we've seen everything we
wanted to see from both these guys. If this year sucks,
so be it even better. We'll just go get one
of those quarterbacks next year.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Correct, Which is why they'll play with quinn Ewers. And
what they mean, would you rather play with quinn Ewers
and get one next year or go pay Malik Willis?
And the answer to that question I think is pretty obvious.
You play with Quinn Ewers and then you go get
one next year. That's what I would do in Arizona.
If Arizona goes and pays Malik Willis, then they're not
going to be one of those teams that goes against
the quarterback next year. So you hear that maybe they

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like Jimmy Garoppolo as the stopcat guy. But again, all
you're doing is delaying the inevitable. If you play and
decide to pay journeyman quarterbacks, all you're doing is to
laying in the inevitable. You got to get that guy.
If you get that guy, then you're going to win
games for a long time. If you get that guy,
you're going to be able to supplement your roster around

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them and win a lot of games. Now, the Seahawks
proved that you can win with another guy, but again
they had one of the bad fetch Well.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Sam Darl's not a franchise guy now.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
He was a reclamation project. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I agree, you don't have a franchise guy. Now he
just won a super Bowl. I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Pete, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won super Bowls and
Nick Foles won the greatest accident he's run in the
history of the football league.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
So so, yeah, La Bar you might be a hater
because he went too much with Pete Brad.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
Brad Johnson's a good pool was was Brad a franchise
guy when Tampa won?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
No, he was a journeyman at that point, right, exactly
who he was.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Trent Dilfer was a journeyman when he won. Nickole Nick
Foles was a journeyman when he won. It doesn't mean
you're just because your team wins the Super Bowl doesn't
mean you're a franchise quarterback. I means you won a
super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
It doesn't mean you're a franchise What about Joe Flacco.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
The former Yeah, I mean Joe the way he wanted
in Baltimore, he was a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
What about Eli Manning, Yeah, franchise quarterback. Okay, I mean
you're you're We're just trying to draw those see where
you draw the line. P I mean some people think
Eli Manning didn't have great regular seasons. He was just
good in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
He's one of the top ten passers in yards and
touchdowns Brady all time. I mean, what.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
About Mark Rippin but also that that's a sliding scale.
Peet like Staffords is going to pass that number. You
know there's other quarterbacks that are surpassing that. So you
by the way about album.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Until Tom Brady did, he was the only quarterback who
came down, came from behind in the fourth quarter, down
by a touchdown. He needs two games, I mean in
the Super Bowl. So I mean, look, Eli Manning's a
franchise quarterback picked by his team, played for his team,
won super bowls for his team. Bouncing around from from We're.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
Just trying to see what you draw the line, because
apparently you've got a hard time from the.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Jets to Carolina to to Minnesota to Seattle doesn't make
you a franchise height.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Are you going to take that from Brady Quinn? I
didn't even bring up Danny Mourrino.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
Yet any more than you're going to take that from
from Brady.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
You got to be a shamed to yourself. Oh man,
he's ragging on you bad. You just handling it, man,
You just you just taking it.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
Because I just I just tend to block him out
because I know you.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Don't work with you as much as I do.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
You don't get the right to say that.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
People don't even start with your yuck festival yuck yuck, yack,
yuck yuk yuck yak.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
We we were trying to anticipate what you say about
Daniel Jones. I don't know if I had accurately described
it to the boys, they'd have to tell you that.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
You are what you are there.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
It is you. I mean, just because you win the
Super Bowl doesn't really change.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I know we're just trying to stoke the flames of
your fire, sir, But let me ask I.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Heard don't ever do that?

Speaker 12 (52:55):
Oh wow, don't you talk about Teddy?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Don't you know?

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Not tell me like that talk Matt He never won
a super Bowl, but you're gonna tell me Sam Darnold's
in the same zip.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Come just relax, Pete.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
Hey, you were at the Cobby though, And one of
the things we're talking about too, is just it feels
like it's losing its luster a bit, even coming off
of a Comba where like everyone's supposed to ran the
fastest forty yard dash time ever besides Cardinal Say. But
of course Adam Schefter came out and curious water for that.
But do you do you start to get a sense
that this is losing a bit of its luster. It's
not really the gem that the NFL thought it would be.

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For TV ratings and.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Attention, yes I do, and I think still for the
medicals and the interviews, I think it's important. But on
the field stuff, these guys are player Empowerment's the thing. Now,
they're gonna stop working out. I'm not gonna you know,
why should I come here and do your workout when
I can do mine at my pro day and be
much more comfortable. And even then, if you're a player,

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what's to say? Players are not going to say I'm
not working out anymore. I'm not gonna do it at
my pro day. I'm not going to do it at
my combine. You're not the forty time on me, And
see how that works out because they got to draft guys.
What if the whole group decided none of us are running,
none of us are going to run forties, none of
us are going to bench press. You're gonna draft this
off our tape. How about that? And see how the

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league handles that. Because I think, and I'm in the minority,
I'm not enamored by the forty times and the skills
and all the drills and everything else, because I think
football is what matters. There's been many a guy that
has run fast forty times who doesn't play fast. There's
been many guys Jerry Rice who didn't run a fast
forty times, who played fast. He played fast, And you

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know what, when I remember I asked Jerry Rice once
about that, he looked at me and he said, did
anybody ever touch me from behind? And I said no?
But he goes, well, there you go. And that's the
bottom line. It's football. It's not drills. It's not you
know what, if ruben Bain's arm had been half an
inch longer, would there be any conversation about it? Not

(54:57):
one bit? And so I think we get too caught
up up in a lot of that stuff. And I
think at some point we have to just go back
and watch football players playing football, because that's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I like that Pete. That was very well stayed.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
It's true football guy right there.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Do you think I should be a GM somewhere? Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
I don't know that it deserved GM attached to it,
but it was well, it was well stated.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You imagine that no one would be safe. I could
guarantee that I would, well, you know.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
What, I'd have a lot of philosophies that most of
these teams should adhere to.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
By the way, by the way, you want to hear
a peach response to one of his detractors on social media.
So Pete gave his thoughts on the David Montgomery trade
and just tweeted out, trading picks for a back entering
his eighth season is not something that would be on
my Bingo card. And some guy responded nobody asked about

(55:53):
your Bingo card, to which Pete responded, yet you responded
new Bingo card, saying goodbye to idiots today. See you
can yous?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Did you block him?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
I block him?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Can you help Jonas? Please? What's that Jonas doesn't block?

Speaker 8 (56:13):
I think all of these people that live on his timeline,
he should block them, like they're only relevance is sitting
there and putting buffoonery on his timeline. I think he
should block every I think by the time this segment
is over, he should have already started blocking all of
the people.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
That are on his timeline right now.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Yeah, I don't do it.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Well, well, here's what you do. If somebody is just
like if you having a disagreement with you. That's one thing.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
No, it's not. It's harassment.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
If it's harassment, then you should block them all.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, it's harassment.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Block them all. And then you say you tell him,
you block him. And you know what's funny about that
is when I do that to somebody, I can't tell
you how many people chime in and go get Pete.
You love it, kill them, see you goodbye. You know
they love it. And so it became I don't do
it as much anymore. I used to get nasty on

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there and block tons of people. But now if you
you know, if you're just being an idiot, I'm gonna
block there.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Pete. I did want to ask you before we let
you go. It is uh, it is your time to shine.
There's mock drafts. You're gonna do your draft grades when
the draft does come around. Do you have I know
it's still a little bit early, but do you have
a bold take or a I guess, a unique take
or prediction on the NFL draft coming up based on

(57:35):
your mock analysis thus far?

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Like where somebody's gonna go.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, like it's maybe a surprise, it might differentiate from
somebody else.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Not yet too early in that I got to wait
to free agency before I even do a mock draft.
I think these mock drafts that are done before free
agency are pointless, to be honest with you, I mean,
what do you put a guy in like a pass rusher,
and a team goes and spends forty five million on
a pass rusher, you think they're still going to draft
another one. I mean it's hard to do a mock
draft without without being able to sit here and say, Okay,

(58:05):
well this is what they need. So I won't even
do want ed to after free agency next week and
then I'll do a mock draft. But I'm gonna be
on record of saying that I'm not drafted a safety
in the top ten. Like everybody has downs going. I
just I'm not doing that. And so I again, I
think this is a good safety class. I think there's
a ton of safeties in free agency. And you look

(58:28):
at the teams who won Super Bowls in the last
two years, just to name too. You look at the
Notre Dame Kid Brady, your kid Julian. Where did Julian love?
Where he came from? The Giant he came from?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
The Sorry, yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
It came from the Giants, and then you got Kobe Bryant,
who was a converted corner, a fourth round picked. Then the
year before it was read Blanket Ship, who, by the way,
it was an undrafted player, is now a free agent,
and Chaunsea Gardner Johnson, who is a fourth round pick.
You can get safeties, get the guys up front. So
I'm not taking I think owns good player, a lot
of good safeties in this draft. I'm not taking him
at top ten.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
What about a running back?

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Look, Jeremiah Jeremiah Love is a really good running back, Brady,
Don't get me wrong. I think he's explosive as hell
and he has a lot to do, But I ain't
taking him at the top ten.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I think k Tron Allen is the best running back
in the running in the draft.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
You're a homer for pen hold on, hold on.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
A second, Brady just brought up a Notre damer and
I get the break, take.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Us the break, hold on, you know what, that's fine,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
When every when did I see I didn't see it.
Notre Dame running back, running back?

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Everybody loved the top ten pick.

Speaker 12 (59:44):
Alison, No, I did we know what you were implying,
we know, we know what he well, he should be
brought out.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Okay, isn't better than the backup running back at no is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Fat Man say Jari Jadarian is the second best running
back in the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Pee, you don't think Alan would start at Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Alan wouldn't start at Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
No, he said, he's not even the backup.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Dame. You got I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Like that, admit that.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
By the way, he's a former Penn State coach exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
B Notre Dame. By the way, I think he's a
good plun to rate a player.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Also, I would say this when you're saying saying, don't
take a running back top ten. Kansas City's picking at nine,
Cincinnati's picking at ten. You you mean to tell me
they wouldn't go Jeremiah Love if you sitting there with
the opportunity to to help that offense and take some quarterback, Yeah, Cincinnati,

(01:00:54):
And that's it's a pretty talented guy that's just sitting there.
I mean, it feels like, especially Kansas City could use
some help a running back. I don't know the last time.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
I think I think is going to pay a running
back of free agency. I think they might pay ETN,
which I wouldn't do either, by the way.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Oh wow, all right, there we go. All right, Pete
always fun. We appreciate it and get him on X
at Prisco, CBS, Senior NFL comumnist for CBS Sports, CBS
Sports HQ analysts, and our good buddy who checks in
every Tuesday here during the offseason.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Thanks Pete, you are what you are baby.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Thanks all right, So coming up next here on Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe, we are going to
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