May 11, 2026 • 50 mins
On this episode of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington listen to Jeremiyah Love claim that he is already well off from his prior NIL deals, that the NFL money will go to investments. Plus, the guys discuss the new CBA for the NFL refs, the Knicks absolutely taking over the city of Philly, and much more!!
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is this uh hantavirus thing? Is that that's really going on? Now?
Like that's that's a real thing. Like get the people
are testing positive on a cruise ship.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
It sounds like fake news to me.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Pal, I just like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Stay off those cruise ships and whatever that guy did?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I understand, Like now we got that going on, all right? Fun,
that's fun, all right? So speaking of fun, Jeremiah Love
is the uh new running back for the Arizona Cardinals.
He signed his rookie deal. Uh think you know. Fifty
three million dollars is the number on the rookie deal
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he got, and he spoke with the media about what
he plans to do with his first rookie contract and
that money over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
I'm living here in Io, so I'm been pretty pretty
well off already, so I really don't need to touch
that money, you know, as of right now, which I
most definitely will not.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
I'm gonna make sure I put that money away from my.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Grandkids, my kids and stuff like that so they can
have a better life financially than I did growing up.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So that's the plan.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Plans changed sometimes, and that can change sometimes, but that's
the plan.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
A friend of the program, Jeremiah Love, talked with them
last year. You guys were born.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Way, way, way too early. Man, Is that right?
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I mean, yeah, but you could is that right, Jonas?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you could have done nil?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh Man, don't even have to spend that money. You
come in wealthy. It's a whole new ball game. Yeah,
gona be awesome brand.
Speaker 8 (02:47):
It's it's good for all these guys. I think they
come in a more NFL ready product, you know, or
brand or you know, athlete or whatever you want to
determine it or define it as. But all these guys
now have gone through that initial way of you know, what.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Do I do when I get my money?
Speaker 8 (03:03):
Or how can I start creating a foundation for myself,
for my family and my future. And they usually have
a team around them. You know, there's gonna be a
team of folks who are helping them manage all this because,
as he points out, in a lot of cases, these athletes,
you know, even though there's actually a fair amount of
Notre Dame who have guys or excuse me, dads who
played in the pros, there's not that many like for
(03:25):
most guys that get there, you know, you're a first
generation in some cases in your family, even going to
college in some cases in your family, you know, playing
a sporting college, and so managing all that's difficult, you know,
because as a parent, you know you're going through those
first two and figuring out who am I listening to,
Who's given me good advice, and how do I go about.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Handling all this?
Speaker 8 (03:46):
You know, it's a very unique path if you're looking
at wealth accumulation, and in most cases these guys are
making the most money they'll overmake might right now, and
then the rest of their career they.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Won't be able to make as much, and that in itself.
Speaker 8 (04:00):
Is is difficult to manage and transition, you know, especially
when you're caught up in the midst of all of it.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
So it's it's good to hear like guys like.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
Jeremiah Love are prepared, you know, are better focused on
just being able to worry about football not anything else,
in a large part because of an il and all
the lessons they've gone through.
Speaker 9 (04:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty it's a pretty
cut and draft point. I think, you know, it's it's
not much to add to to what what you just said.
I mean, it's you know, you a lot of times
guys have not had any opportunities to deal with large
amounts of money. And it's interesting because you're taught to
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be the best version you can be and work hard
every day and get up and make sure you're you
know you're you're starting your day off right. You get breakfasts,
you you make sure your homework is done, you're cleaning
your room is cleaned up. You go to school, and
you do what you need to do, and and and
playing this game and playing it at a high level
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and doing all of the little things right can lead
to you ultimately accessing the American dream. The American dream
is being successful and being compensated for what it is
that you're doing in a way where you can live
life the way that you want to live life. So
for all this time, you're taught to put your best
(05:25):
foot forward, and it's for this invisible payout.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
You know, most of us will not.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
Realize the dream of I got up and I did
all of those things, and I worked hard, and I
made sure I did it the right way, and it's
still won't it won't lead to you have making it
to the pros and getting that type of you know,
compensation so early on in your life. So it's very
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difficult to comprehend the fact that you can buy whatever
you want to buy, you can do whatever you want
to do. When you get to the point of where
Jeremiah Love is, I think the biggest challenge is is
always staying disciplined to the idea that this is this
is the approach I want to take. I want to
make sure that I not only have money for me
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to live comfortably, but other people that come along in
my family, you know, working to generate you know, generational
wealth has always been something that's important to me. And
learning how to build the brand, you knowing how to
make that money, not just taking the money I've made
and using it.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
So I just hope he you.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
Know, he educates himself, continues to educate himself, be humble,
and you figure it out as you go, you get older,
you figure it out as you go, and then you
start spending money. Don't spend your money before you figure
out where you're going in life and what you want
to be in life outside of just playing the game.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Is there When you guys were in school, was there
a class or conversations or things to where they said, hey,
when you get to the next level, you're going to
be making this money. Here's what you do with it, Like,
here's how to be smart with it. I mean, it
was was there like, well, there's.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
No, there's not like a curriculum for that, because you know,
it's such a small percentage of the you know, students
at the university. But there are opportunities, Like we had
a professor. We have a professor that here named Naned
Carl Ackerman. He's in personal finance. He teaches a great
personal finance course. But that senior spring, when I knew
i'd be you know kind of you know, afar training
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for the combine, training for the prote all those things,
he helped do an independent study with me. So we
went through a very specific course curtailed to the things
that are going to be coming my way and helping
me kind of understand how to manage all of that.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
You know, how we wanted to go about not only.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
Managing the money, but a state planning everything else that
went on with it. So there's opportunities like that, I'm sure,
especially nowadays at Penn State or other schools too, but
there's not like an assigned curriculum to something like this.
It's a very unique set of circumstances, and it's why
a lot of the schools too, have have brought on
these educational components, uh with NIL and helping the players
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understand and learn about taxes they've got to pay on this,
because that's the other thing is a lot of these
you know, young people that you're getting paid now in
good money and they don't realize, hey man, that's not
all yours.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
You know, you got to pay a portion of that
back in taxes.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
So again, they're a lot more educated than ever before
in a lot of ways because of how things have changed.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah, I just that's the one portion of it with
the NIL stuff that I wonder, you know, because you
guys kind of spoken about anybody can be an agent,
anybody could be this. It's like, well, I hope that
there would be somebody also guiding that portion of it
to where, hey, you're going to be getting two three,
four million dollars, who knows if you're going to get
(08:52):
another penny out of your football career or basketball career
or whatever. Here's what you do with that money, Like here,
and I wonder how many those players and how many
of these athletes have somebody with them to kind of
guide that portion of it.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Like you know, I see these parking lots at these schools,
and let me tell you something, NIL has changed things.
Spending money as athletes in college is a real thing.
And I think that conversation is as more it's more
(09:30):
so now a super critical conversation because, like I stated,
the taxes of it all.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
You know, how do you budget out?
Speaker 9 (09:42):
You know, there's a lot to that because you can
say what you feel about it, but you don't know
what it's like until you have it, when you have
it in your bank account and they tell you this
is how much you have or whatever it may be.
Everybody handles six sss differently. So ultimately you could go
(10:03):
to the classes, you can have a professor. You gotta
want to listen. One of the easiest things a person
can do is listen and do what it is that
is the right move to do. One of the hardest
things at the same time is to listen and do
what it is that you've been taught and told to
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do that's going to take you in the right direction.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
It goes both ways.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
So you find out real quickly when you get money
what direction you're going to go in. Some people give
into getting the nice car or buying a house.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You buy, you buy a big ass.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
House and you don't even like at one point I bought.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
A I paid for a house and it.
Speaker 9 (10:49):
Was twenty thousand square feet on on forty eight acres.
I wanted my own place, my own private space. I
wanted to be able to hunt. I thought about putting
nine holes on it, you know, had water, right what
I was one person? What did I need a twenty
thousand square foot home for?
Speaker 7 (11:10):
You know? And it turns out it was a good
a good investment. But at the same.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Come on, man, yeah, what do you do that?
Speaker 7 (11:20):
It's very insensitive, bro, Like.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
I don't know if that's it's very so it's big
enough to have a coy pon it's.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
It's brutally mean. It was totally uncalled for. Sorry, yeah, Jonas,
that that really hurt my feelings. I'm reliving the night
they all started going bally up now.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So I don't I don't know why it has to
always go.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
Very insensitive Brady Quinn, And yes, it was that was
the residence of where you know. I watched the little
baby coys go into the pond. I watched them grow
for many, many, many moons, man many days, and then
one big storm led to the demise of all of
(12:08):
my koyfish friends. How many were there, oh, bro, they
were multiplying, so I didn't have them counted.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
I know I had.
Speaker 9 (12:17):
I bought maybe a hundred of them as babies. They
watched them they were little, and they got like they
were big.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Like.
Speaker 9 (12:27):
So when I used to go to the pro bowls,
you go to the resort. At the resort, they had
koyfish ponds, and I thought they were pretty cool. I
would sit there just to kind of collect my thoughts
and I'd be there for a little bit. And don't
you know, like koi are very very friendly fish. So
they actually like when they're really happy, they like come
(12:53):
flying torch you. If you go near where they're at,
it'll be like a whole bunch of them that just
coming they come torch you. So I use to re
enact that at my house. I'd sit down at McCoy
pond and they would come flying over.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Shouldn't be all.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
Of them, every last one of them be there and
they had their little sucky mouthed faces coming out of
the water and this that, and then I feed them
and we'd hang out.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
The friendly I can't.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
Believe that y'all would would really be so insensitive about friends.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Man, they like we talked, all hundred of them died.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
Every last one of them in.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
That smells so bad.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
It was trash bag after trash bag. It was. It was.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
We didn't even give them a proper burial.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
No, it was too many.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Would that be down the toilet?
Speaker 7 (13:43):
I can't.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
They were too big. They're like they look at your
the they were probably the size of your arms.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
How big is a baby?
Speaker 7 (13:51):
They were big. They died. I raised them for shake.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
She goes to many moons. I heard many moons?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
How many moons?
Speaker 7 (13:59):
Many?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
She doesn't even listen to the story.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Oh she's different, bro, She's totally totally brand new.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
Hey, but yeah, they were like as big as my arm,
like as long as my arm. They were big. They
were big. Yeah, And we had to take them on.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Out of there flushing down are the giants toilet?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Like that? I don't know why this has to turn
into this, Like, why can't we just have a conversation
about that.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I was just confirming that was the house that he was.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
The point of the point of the story is no house,
no cooifish, no coyfish, no massive departure of all of
my coyfish.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I mean, there was just a.
Speaker 9 (14:39):
Lot of access or accessiveness that it was just I had.
I think I had like ten cars. I collected old
school cars. I only had two modern cars. Maybe I
had a g Wagon. I think I had a Porsche Carrera.
I had a Maserati and that was it. And for
what it's worth, I didn't even pay for those cars.
(15:01):
I had a deal like people are thought I was
paying for all these cars. I had to deal with
Eastern motors groups. That's what I'd rather do the commercials
and you know, get a car rather than do the
commercials and get paid.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
I just that was my thing.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
But anyway, it was too many cars because then now
it's like, Okay, I didn't pay for the cars. But
you want to know what's crazy. I feel like the
upkeep of that stuff is is it comes close to
how much it is you paid for it, you know,
and so you start to realize very quickly, like you know,
what I could have been okay in a townhouse. It
(15:39):
would have been fine until I figure out where I
want to live. I'm a live in a townhouse. I
might pay rent like you don't have to even own it,
Like I might pay rent and just chill. I would
have sat on and stacked so many chips just off.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Of just living normal, Just living normal. Man.
Speaker 9 (15:58):
But I think it's a hard thing once once you're
thrust into that lifestyle and you're living that way and
people are around you. Everybody knows what you make, so
you fall into you know, sometimes that that pattern enough.
You know, you pay every time we you know, you
go out to eat. Next thing, you know, you realize
you don't go out to eat buy yourself anymore. It's
(16:20):
like five six people with you that that want to
go eat with you, and you know what, it's because
they eat and free every time they go out with you,
you know. So it's just it's a lot of things
that change, and you have to build really good, positive,
strong habits. You have to have a good self identity
or you'll fall victim to thinking that you can spend
enough money to validate who you are and you'll be
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broke doing so.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Will you get cooyfish again.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Hmm, probably not?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Why not?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Uh, just probably not.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I mean that's the only way, you know, just to
try and erase that whole memory, because you know Brady
who just you know, reads the obituaries before he comes
on the air. I mean, he always brings up my
dead dog, he brings up your dead fish, and how bad.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
You did it was? It was very mean.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's the only way to kind of rid yourself of that.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
In my defense, I didn't bring up anything dead. I
just asked if that was the house where he had
the coy pond.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
No, you knew what happened.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I knew what happened to the coy pond. I didn't
know if it happened at that house.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You knew what happened.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, I'm just saying, fair question. Who also haven't heard
the story?
Speaker 8 (17:35):
That could be someone new today who's never heard the
story in the first place.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Now they actually get to hear the story.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
No, it's not a it's not a it's a painful story, so.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Why I get that. But that doesn't mean it that
it doesn't need to be told.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, now he's you.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Know, he brings all you what he's doing and night
and all that, like like he's adding descritione. Probably your
fish that you love, probably song probably smell like that
cruise job deadfish.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
What do you mean you don't think the dead thost smelled.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
They were my friends.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I didn't know the story. See, do you know what, Patty,
I didn't know.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I did not see.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
There you go, Patty just learned something. That's something.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
We had a different dead time in.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Anymore, do not chime in on any more of our conversations, Patty,
You did not You did not help the conversation at all. Patrick,
Do not chime in on topics like this too personal,
way too personal.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Damn it.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
I mean I probably even know that your coy fish died, Like, yeah, Patty,
they all die slow, painful deaths.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
They couldn't breathe.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Do you think it smelled like that hannavirus cruise ship
or do you think it was worse?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
So now you're joining into the jokes.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, no, Brady asked the question. I just wanted.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
I don't think you're so now you're joining in on
the jokes to answer the question. By the way, we
cleared them out like we drained the like expeditiously drained
the pond out and and cleared them out before it
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got to the point of where it was really really bad.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Okay, so it wasn't It wasn't like reeking.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
It was over there.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
That's you're gone for long. Yeah. And for those who
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Speaker 3 (22:03):
Worry about any of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's right, you know, I officials.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think I think that.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
A man like whoever says hey man, great call, well
says that no one's like, hey man, thanks for actually,
you know, getting the deal done.
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I also think that, you know, maybe if they hadn't
come to terms on a deal, you know, we could
get back the replacement refs having butcher a few calls,
and people could start to appreciate the full time officials a.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
Little bit more.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Like, you know what, maybe maybe they aren't so bad.
You know, maybe a ninety six percent success rate on
their calls isn't so bad and people can stop complaining
so much. You know, that would have been nice. But
they avoided all that, they got a deal done, they
got a little bit of a pay bump, and and
we are off and running with training camps coming up
and all that, and everybody's happy. Now, I mean, does
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Dean Bland you get a cut of all that? Or
is it just did he have anything to do with
the negotiating on.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
That or I'm not sure what Dean has to do
with any of this. And while you're bringing him to
the conversation, he's just a front of the program. I
don't know that we need to take shots or do
whatever you're trying to say.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
No, I'm just here.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
No, I'm just saying, listen, Dean's out there. He's out
there having shots. He's out there having a shot.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
He's sleeping right now. He's trying to enjoy his life sleeping.
And meanwhile, you got to drag him into some sort
of I don't know, conspiracy theory. There's already that whole
Dallas Cowboys bus thing. Now you got drag him into this.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, because him and Pereira and the guys that are
on TV, they have to explain the calls being made
by officials, and they're the ones that get the heat
on social media, because you know, apparently officials don't have
to talk unless you're in the UFL where apparently if
you're an official, rock Heward's going to pull you off
to the side and ask you some questions about why
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you did what you did like you did this weekend.
Speaker 12 (23:51):
Dailey want to have some conversations with Ricky Poll about
a penalty or not a penalty with these contested throws,
especially to Hakeem.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
How do you judge.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Out if there's a back shoulder and I'm looking at
that and you know there's no material restriction, I'm just
going to leave it alone, to be.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Honest with you.
Speaker 12 (24:06):
So if the throw is not where it should be,
if that throw is not there, you're not going to
reward a poor throw on something like that.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
You could, you could scare that works. That works for me.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, I think it's great.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Well, there's only one issue with that. Well, was the
throw catchable or not? I think that's the that's the
term we like to use. So, I mean, a poor
throw is one thing, right, Like I would define a
poor throw as he's trying to throw you know him
upfield and instead he throws it behind him back shoulder
ish and the defender runs through him, like you know,
that should be defensive past interference, so he needs look.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
In today's dan h. And this doesn't just apply for
efficient this applies for everything.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Okay, Messaging is as important as ever, and communication is
as easy as ever, but it feels like we've all
gotten very lazy at communicating the things the way they
need to be communicat.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
And that goes for all of us out there, myself included.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
So this is an instance where when you're an official
and you don't get to talk much, but if you're
gonna be starting getting interviewed during a game after a call,
you better make sure you choose your words wisely. Okay,
that's all I'm saying, because that is not how Dean
Blandina or Mike Peyer would coach any of those officials.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Up and how they should be talking about pass interference.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
I wonder if they were aware of that before, you know,
before the game started, Like, Okay, these are things to
be aware of when you're going to be speaking on
camera during the course of the game, things to stay
away from, and things to put out there. And I
wonder what that because I just don't This is still
(25:49):
a major production, and I just wonder with those elements
being at play that you got to say to right
things as a as a referee, they don't get interviewed
very often. You don't hear from them very often. It's
a different approach to to how you're doing the game.
(26:09):
I honestly, even though it would probably come across this
very disingenuous at the pro you know, NFL level, I
honestly think that it would create an element of entertainment
that would be I think that it could exist all
its own.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
I think it is having referee commentary, you know, during
from the game, so because they're they're the part of
the game where you just can't seem to understand how
some of these calls are made and where the origin
of it comes from. So I think it's interesting. But
I do think that it is a slippery slope, so
(26:50):
to speak. You get caught up in the moment. There
could be a various amount of reasons as to why
the referee would say something maybe that they're not so
supposed to say. But I mean it did give an
entertainment element that is unique to to the UFL.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean, it'd be great if Brock here or just
went rogue nobody. He had no permission to do that,
and he said, it's UFL. I'm gonna I'm gonna swing
it something here and just pulled an official off to
the side and said, hey, explain what you did over
there real quick. I mean, that would be great, but
I also don't think it's at all a realistic option
for the NFL. They're going to try and protect the
(27:29):
officials as much as possible. I think it would be hilarious.
I think is that not protecting them though? But well,
I guess they're grown men. They're they're super I mean,
what are these guys? Are doctors, lawyers, CPA's, you know,
they're they're intelligent people in their their everyday other lives.
They I mean, if you can expect an athlete to
(27:51):
be able to handle these situations with with grace and care,
why why wouldn't we expect, you know, these these accomplished
human beings outside of them a football to handle themselves
the right way. I mean, they can't even figure out
the ball goes out of the end zone, lose possession,
give it to the other team at the twenty yard
They can't even figure out just an obvious one like that.
(28:13):
I don't know how they would navigate the waters of this.
They've got a pool report after the game. If there's
a questionable call, I would love it. I think it
would be it'd be if you want to be transparent,
like that's the way to do it, Like pull these
guys off in real time.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Why did you make that call? Did you butcher that call?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I just I don't know that it would ever happen, Like,
I just I don't know if the NFL would go
down that road and you.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
Would lose the fine system right from the players, like
if you had refer well, or maybe it'd get worse.
If you had referees being transparent about the calls in
the moment, then they could sit there and say, yeah,
you know what the ref say, he botched that call,
And then maybe you wouldn't see what took place with
you know, like with the Lakers the other night when
they they huddled up around the referee and you know,
(28:58):
JJ Reddick said the things he said. Maybe if they
were talking to the camera and giving explanation and the
coaches and the players were able to hear the explanations,
maybe they wouldn't want as much of an explanation from
the referees.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
You know what, if it could make everything better.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
What are the conversations like on the field with an
official during a game? They brief or is it just hey,
what was that about? And they'll give you an actual
explanation as to why they made a call.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
If there's a stoppage, they'll give you an explanation, but
not you don't have time in between plays anyway, you know,
I mean, if you're talking about And the hard part is,
you know, most in most cases, if you're a quarterback
and you're upset about something, unless it's like a hit
or something else, it could be the white hat whoever's
like right behind you, but you're talking, you're looking at
like sideline officials for PI and so that's not the
(29:50):
guy who's making a call, and it's whoever is on
the sideline and you're not anywhere near him, so you
can yell complain, But it's usually your sideline if that
guy's actually if you know, if your team's on that sideline,
if he's gonna be the one, there're gonna be the
ones that took complaint.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
So it all depends on the circumstances. But for the
most part.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Unless it's a stoppage, it's pretty quick and you really
can't get an explanation for the person you need.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
To get it from. Uh, if you if you know?
In most in most cases I should say.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
I agreet it the refs before the game and got
to the point of where, at some point in my
career I had to ask how their family is doing
if we were in between plays and stuff like that.
You know, what are you doing for the holidays? Is
Judy and everybody? Are the kids? You know, all that stuff, right,
I'll be doing the tackling today. Please throw the flag
(30:43):
if I get tackle type stuff, make them laugh, but
also just to show them that they you know, you matter,
you're you're a person, and you know we're we're here together.
I got a job to do, you know. Don't let
them tackle me. That was really all I said. Don't
don't let them, don't allow them.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
To tackle me.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Did help at all?
Speaker 9 (31:05):
I think I got calls. I think I got calls
that maybe other guys might not have gotten. Yeah, because
you get held if you're if if you're you know,
past rushing or even trying to run support, you get held.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
And a lot of.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Times it's just now you see it on film, it's
just not called. It's just not the thing that they call.
But you know, if I got held, you know, depending
on the officiating crew, I would get more holding calls
in the game then, you know, if it were a
group that I wasn't very familiar with, Yeah, it matters.
Relationships matter.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I mean, so they can be U you can groove
them a little bit. I mean, that's that feels like
it's a problem, you know.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
I mean communication is key. You could call it what
you want to call it. Communication is very key, and
you don't at least I didn't take it for granted.
You know, I get it out there when they come on,
because they come on. They had like their little pregame
deal too, where they come out and you know, the
way they come out onto the field, and then they'd
be standing around and like while we were in pregame,
(32:12):
you know, I make sure that I approached the the guys,
make sure I knew what guy was was standing behind.
You know, do they still have the referee that stand
behind the linebackers? Do they He's not there anymore? Right
in the NFL? Yeah, I remember just having a conversation
with with the the referee that stood behind us, and
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if I make a big play, he'd be like man like.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Man, and I'd be like, if that thing was clean,
wasn't it?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Like we joke around, you know, I joke around and
we have a good time with it. So you know,
you figure about the time you get to halftime or whatever,
now you're chumming it up, you know what I mean.
And that was you know, that's a part of it.
It's a small part of it.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
There's also a misconception that these guys, like we always
say other their attorneys, their accountants, they've got a business.
It's like, you know, some of a lot of them
are for players. Like it's not all of them or
what people think. A lot of them are former players
to some extent. Now I've got a buddy who I
played with in the NFL and he's now an official,
and you know, well I have those conversations. But uh,
(33:21):
you know, for the most part, they all played football
at some point. It's just that it stopped and they
went on to other things. But they still want to
be a part of the game. So that's the thing.
Is like they'll they'll take joy and seeing good plays,
you know, like they'll they'll definitely say stuff, so it's
it's fun. I mean, I just think any more insight
(33:41):
into the game in real lifetime, and not only it's
a good idea to me because it doesn't take away from,
like the the emotions of that moment, and it gives
you a bit of an explanation so you can kind
of move on and instead of the fan base making
it all about whatever just took place.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Now, the is it's tough for the officials.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
In real time to be able to always get it right,
and especially a controversial call.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
It might be something where we.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Want to have another chance to look back at or
talk about what the other officials said and everything else.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
So well, time and place.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
But I think that would be cool to say that
to me.
Speaker 9 (34:17):
I feel like even more than given an explanation as
to the call before you're clear on it, I would say,
you know, what I made, The call is a judgment call.
Got to talk to the guys about it. Not sure
if it was a good call or if it was
a bad call. I could have missed it, but I
could have made it. Like, let me if you give
that type of explanation.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I mean, I don't think that works on national TV.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
I think honesty, I'm just saying, in an ideal world,
if you were being transparent about because the bottom line
is calls are missed every single play, or calls could
be made every single play. Like it's just to me,
it's how you guide narrative of it. You guide it.
(35:02):
I mean, why not. You're not going to change, You're
not going to change the way the fans feel about you.
It's just they're just not just a thankless job man.
Like just I don't know why anybody would want to
do it or subject themselves to that. I mean, but
it's crazy because they are one of the main characters
like there. I mean, if you look at every reality
(35:24):
show credits that run, you see referees in it. At
the pro like you know, the playing ball, there's always
going to be referees that are in the end credits.
The names of the people change, you know, things evolve.
One thing that is always going to be a constant
is you're going to have referees.
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So there you have it.
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in a clown suit by the New York Knicks, I mean,
absolutely dismantled and basically had nothing for New York, especially
(37:25):
after the first couple of games. Tyrese MAXI very good player,
really good player star for the Philadelphia seventy six Ers
spoke about the Knicks fans that took over Philly and
had this to.
Speaker 12 (37:41):
Say, tyres can, can you describe what it was like
playing again against the Knicks here where their fans come
down here and kind of take over your home arena?
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Do you use it as fuel? Sucked?
Speaker 11 (37:52):
If I'm being it just sucks.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
But it just sucked. Man, Yeah, it just sucks. I can't.
I that's really all like to say about man, Like
I just it's hard.
Speaker 11 (38:02):
It's definitely difficult, you know what I'm saying. And it's
only one way to put a stop to it, and
it is we have to go out there and win
these games. Like we just being completely honest, we were
better when we played them in the Garden this entire season.
Like I know we lost game two and one, but
like game two was better, regular season was better. Here
we was, you know, I was telling them, it just
(38:24):
feel it felt louder here for them than it did
in the Garden. And it's like, well, we got to
put us out to it as a team, like winning
these games, that's what's going to make you know, our
fans like louder than theirs or whatever. I don't know
how to keep them out. I don't know the logistics
of it, but you know, it does suck. I can't
even lie. It definitely does suck.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I mean, dude, that had nothing to do with you
guys losing by forty or whatever it was multiple times
over and I mean you say whatever you want about Well,
the fans aren't here, and they complained about it, and
like all these you know, jewel and beads, like, well,
don't sell your tickets to Knicks fans. I just I
don't understand why you would let that affect you to
(39:08):
the point to where they look demoralized. Like Game three,
like you saw them on the bench and they just
look like they were in shock that there were that
many Knicks fans in attendance just go play and try
and win a game.
Speaker 9 (39:21):
They might have been in shock at how good the
New York Knicks are. That could have been the look
you might have been seeing on their face of me.
I could understand looking at the stands and seeing that
there's a lot of Knicks fans there. You want to
know why there's a lot of Knicks fans there because
they have a really good team.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
They have a really good.
Speaker 9 (39:43):
Team, and it's a it's a team that looks like
it's coming into their own which is it's actually pretty scary.
It's pretty scary because you have a lot of really
really go fine players on this team. Like they are
a deep team. I mean, if you look at their roster,
(40:07):
you go down. I don't have to, you know, run
it down, but you look at how many players they
have that can make a difference. And then you take
into consideration that now one of the things that Jalen
Brunson was potentially heading down the road of and you
guys are like this one. It's almost like he was
heading down the same road as Donovan Mitchells as a
(40:31):
player that fought through injury and didn't come up in
the big moments in the playoffs for his team and whoa,
Well that's the truth.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Just look it up. Wow.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
And anyway, a really really good player, a franchise player
that has not been able to get it done at
the highest of levels in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Like that's that's just what it was. That's what it's been.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
I think this team is primed and I think they're
ready to take that next step. Now, I will say
I think they're going to have their hands full. I
do believe it's going to be Detroit who they end
up playing, and that will be a tremendous matchup between
some think I think Detroit has a fine team roster wise,
and and Cad is playing out of his mind right now,
(41:26):
so I think it'll be a tough one.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
But I see this next team.
Speaker 9 (41:30):
They have matured and they have evolved, and I think
they're I think they're good enough to the point now
where I think they're the most dangerous team in the
playoffs right now.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
West and East West and East. Okay, yeah, I do.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
You're probably not wrong because I think they're a tough matchup.
They're kind of play a different style, how physical they are.
They've got some length or too. I think what's interesting
is if you look at the money, the Calves are
the most expensive team based on their payroll currently still
in the NBA right now. Then the Knicks are right
behind them at number two. But then you've got the
seventy six ers. It's not like for lack of spending,
(42:08):
and they're gonna have to pay a luxury tax this
year because they're over that number as.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Well, so they're seventh in the NBA.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
I mean, I just I feel like if you look
at all the teams that are still left, at least
in the East, with the exception of the Pistons, and
they're somewhat of a young team, all three are within
the top seven of the NBA and spending, so, you know,
money talks. I think if you look at the Knicks,
they've obviously spent tremendously to get this deal done for
the Cavs, bringing it hardened, you know, increases that number
(42:35):
to take them.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Over the top.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
But it's not for lack of trying for the seventy
six ers. I just think to your point, like the
Knicks are just that good and the way this team
is comprised. I don't want to say they're an old
school kind of throwback, but they remind.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Me of.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
You know, it was some of those nineties teams that
were able to move on to win.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
A championship with the style of play, you know, the
big men down low, the way Brunston kind of controls
the game. I just I look at that and say,
I think that's like a change up from what we've
seen in past years from a lot of teams who
I've been able to win. And I think it's an
interesting contrast too. If it is okayc if it's San Antonio,
it's Minnesota, whoever ends up coming out of the West.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
It will be interesting to see who that is.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
That's assuming though the next can get past the Cleveland
Calves in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, I mean, was that a retaliation because of the
koy Pond stuff that Brady said, Well, you had to
bring up Donovan Mitchell. You guys are gonna like this.
He's got to, you know, had a reputation like Donovan
Mitchell like, I don't know why that needed to be
brought into the equation. Felt like a direct shot of
Brady there.
Speaker 9 (43:36):
I mean that happened while he was in Utah. I
mean he was coming up short before he came to
the seventy six ers, so.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
He's probably bored.
Speaker 9 (43:47):
I mean, maybe it was a little bit of hate
in my heart when I did it. Maybe I was
filling the residual effects of that segment of where you
guys totally made fun and joked about my loved ones.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
By the way, the Sixers bitching because Knicks fans took
over the arena. Man, they haven't had much to cheer
about for a long time, Knicks fans.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I mean they've they've gone.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
They've supported you know, they've gone to Madison Square Garden.
That's always been an electric environment. But usually when you
go to MSG for a Knicks game, it's usually the
opponent who becomes the star. We've seen it throughout the
years to where it was Reggie Miller, it was Halliburton
last year. Trey Young had a run against Knicks fans
for a while. Remember they were they were they were throwing.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
Nickname out.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
I think, yeah, Ice Tray, Yeah, like so normally it's
been whoever, whoever the best player on the opposing team
is might become Yeah, they become the star of Madison
Square Garden because Knicks couldn't deliver. And so finally, over
the past couple of years, they've they've come out and
they've won games. They got past Boston. Last year they
(45:02):
gagged against Indiana. But it does feel like they've taken
that next step. They won the Ncason Tournament, whatever that's worth,
and I just I look at the next and I go, yeah,
of course their fans are going to show up. They
finally have a legitimate contender to cheer for. And the
best part is they're going to get to the finals
and get butchered by the Thunder. They are going to
(45:25):
get butchered, and then we get to see You could
say it in repetition, but that's not I don't see
that being.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
I don't say it again one more time, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Butchered by the thunder.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
Y'all going up top on that go up top. No, No,
they might, they may not make it past the Spurs.
So you could say, when check, when check the wind
puppet meets the real wind puppet, all right, when he
meets the real one. When he sees a real slim
(46:02):
reaper coming his way, they may not have an answer.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, but Chet's goot style. That's a wind puppet with
some attitude. He's got some style too.
Speaker 9 (46:12):
When bin Yama just elbowed a man out, elbowed him right, like,
put that sharp, little thin elbow right in his face.
So he's letting you know. He's put OKC on notice.
He's put him on notice. And I tell you what,
the New York Knicks, they're putting people on notice too.
(46:34):
And you got to mention Karl Anthony Towns in the
conversation as well, because he's always kind of disappeared in
big games too, and he became a perimeter shooter and
didn't want to really play aggressive bault and you know,
inside the paint and play down low, and people were
(46:55):
just so frustrated with him last year. You got to
get the dude credit this year year, he's not only
operating efficiently in in the block, in the post, but
his his ability to create matchup issues because he can
play outside has caused the court to open up for
them in offensive sets. And he's finding the open guys
(47:18):
because they're really really concerned about stopping Carl Anthony Towns. So,
I mean, he's he's he's he's seeing the court. Guys
are are getting opportunities because the court is open. They're
they're open for business. So give Carl Anthony Towns a
lot of credit too. He's not shooting them out of
(47:40):
games this year.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Were you were you? I think last year did you
refer to him as zesty?
Speaker 7 (47:46):
Yeah, that's yeah, Yeah, what did you mean that was
not That was not me? What do you mean by that? Well,
that was not me?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
That was that.
Speaker 9 (47:54):
That was social media that came for him because of
the way he passed the ball or something to that effect.
And then they started doing a deep dive search like
they're doing on Mike Vrabel, and they started finding all
of these things and trying to create timelines about you know,
zestiness of things that he did that was not me,
That was not original from you, That was social media.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I mean there are some clips of him where you're like,
what is that?
Speaker 9 (48:20):
I just think he just has he's a big dude,
and he's actually a really really like cool dude. Like
he's sophisticated, he speaks very well, he handles himself, very well.
He just seems like he's just one of them dudes
that was raised differently, Like he wasn't out in the
streets like getting scuff marks and scrapes on his knees
(48:41):
and stuff like that, and his elbows and his shoulders,
you know, from playing in the streets and stuff like that.
Street football, you know, street soccer, street hoops, all that stuff.
He just looked like he might have been more so
like you know, he wanted to watch TV or you know,
like hang out, you know that way.
Speaker 7 (49:00):
He just didn't.
Speaker 9 (49:02):
He just doesn't seem like he's you know, he's he's
a little like a coluctic maybe like Renaissances.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Hey, you know, you know, but he can hoop, yeah,
he can ball.
Speaker 7 (49:15):
And and and it's showing up.
Speaker 9 (49:17):
It's showing up right now while Brunson is their their
score and and mikel Bridges is really like doing a
hell of a job being like that second scoring option
to perceivably if Karl Anthony Towns is having a down
night and off night, they just have balance.
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is this uh hantavirus thing? Is that that's really going on? Now?
Like that's that's a real thing. Like get the people
are testing positive on a cruise ship.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
It sounds like fake news to me.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Pal, I just like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Stay off those cruise ships and whatever that guy did?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I understand, Like now we got that going on, all right? Fun,
that's fun, all right? So speaking of fun, Jeremiah Love
is the uh new running back for the Arizona Cardinals.
He signed his rookie deal. Uh think you know. Fifty
three million dollars is the number on the rookie deal
(01:47):
he got, and he spoke with the media about what
he plans to do with his first rookie contract and
that money over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
I'm living here in Io, so I'm been pretty pretty
well off already, so I really don't need to touch
that money, you know, as of right now, which I
most definitely will not.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
I'm gonna make sure I put that money away from my.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Grandkids, my kids and stuff like that so they can
have a better life financially than I did growing up.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So that's the plan.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Plans changed sometimes, and that can change sometimes, but that's
the plan.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
A friend of the program, Jeremiah Love, talked with them
last year. You guys were born.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Way, way, way too early. Man, Is that right?
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I mean, yeah, but you could is that right, Jonas?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you could have done nil?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh Man, don't even have to spend that money. You
come in wealthy. It's a whole new ball game. Yeah,
gona be awesome brand.
Speaker 8 (02:47):
It's it's good for all these guys. I think they
come in a more NFL ready product, you know, or
brand or you know, athlete or whatever you want to
determine it or define it as. But all these guys
now have gone through that initial way of you know, what.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Do I do when I get my money?
Speaker 8 (03:03):
Or how can I start creating a foundation for myself,
for my family and my future. And they usually have
a team around them. You know, there's gonna be a
team of folks who are helping them manage all this because,
as he points out, in a lot of cases, these athletes,
you know, even though there's actually a fair amount of
Notre Dame who have guys or excuse me, dads who
played in the pros, there's not that many like for
(03:25):
most guys that get there, you know, you're a first
generation in some cases in your family, even going to
college in some cases in your family, you know, playing
a sporting college, and so managing all that's difficult, you know,
because as a parent, you know you're going through those
first two and figuring out who am I listening to,
Who's given me good advice, and how do I go about.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Handling all this?
Speaker 8 (03:46):
You know, it's a very unique path if you're looking
at wealth accumulation, and in most cases these guys are
making the most money they'll overmake might right now, and
then the rest of their career they.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Won't be able to make as much, and that in itself.
Speaker 8 (04:00):
Is is difficult to manage and transition, you know, especially
when you're caught up in the midst of all of it.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
So it's it's good to hear like guys like.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
Jeremiah Love are prepared, you know, are better focused on
just being able to worry about football not anything else,
in a large part because of an il and all
the lessons they've gone through.
Speaker 9 (04:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty it's a pretty
cut and draft point. I think, you know, it's it's
not much to add to to what what you just said.
I mean, it's you know, you a lot of times
guys have not had any opportunities to deal with large
amounts of money. And it's interesting because you're taught to
(04:41):
be the best version you can be and work hard
every day and get up and make sure you're you
know you're you're starting your day off right. You get breakfasts,
you you make sure your homework is done, you're cleaning
your room is cleaned up. You go to school, and
you do what you need to do, and and and
playing this game and playing it at a high level
(05:03):
and doing all of the little things right can lead
to you ultimately accessing the American dream. The American dream
is being successful and being compensated for what it is
that you're doing in a way where you can live
life the way that you want to live life. So
for all this time, you're taught to put your best
(05:25):
foot forward, and it's for this invisible payout.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
You know, most of us will not.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
Realize the dream of I got up and I did
all of those things, and I worked hard, and I
made sure I did it the right way, and it's
still won't it won't lead to you have making it
to the pros and getting that type of you know,
compensation so early on in your life. So it's very
(05:55):
difficult to comprehend the fact that you can buy whatever
you want to buy, you can do whatever you want
to do. When you get to the point of where
Jeremiah Love is, I think the biggest challenge is is
always staying disciplined to the idea that this is this
is the approach I want to take. I want to
make sure that I not only have money for me
(06:17):
to live comfortably, but other people that come along in
my family, you know, working to generate you know, generational
wealth has always been something that's important to me. And
learning how to build the brand, you knowing how to
make that money, not just taking the money I've made
and using it.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
So I just hope he you.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
Know, he educates himself, continues to educate himself, be humble,
and you figure it out as you go, you get older,
you figure it out as you go, and then you
start spending money. Don't spend your money before you figure
out where you're going in life and what you want
to be in life outside of just playing the game.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Is there When you guys were in school, was there
a class or conversations or things to where they said, hey,
when you get to the next level, you're going to
be making this money. Here's what you do with it, Like,
here's how to be smart with it. I mean, it
was was there like, well, there's.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
No, there's not like a curriculum for that, because you know,
it's such a small percentage of the you know, students
at the university. But there are opportunities, Like we had
a professor. We have a professor that here named Naned
Carl Ackerman. He's in personal finance. He teaches a great
personal finance course. But that senior spring, when I knew
i'd be you know kind of you know, afar training
(07:32):
for the combine, training for the prote all those things,
he helped do an independent study with me. So we
went through a very specific course curtailed to the things
that are going to be coming my way and helping
me kind of understand how to manage all of that.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
You know, how we wanted to go about not only.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
Managing the money, but a state planning everything else that
went on with it. So there's opportunities like that, I'm sure,
especially nowadays at Penn State or other schools too, but
there's not like an assigned curriculum to something like this.
It's a very unique set of circumstances, and it's why
a lot of the schools too, have have brought on
these educational components, uh with NIL and helping the players
(08:11):
understand and learn about taxes they've got to pay on this,
because that's the other thing is a lot of these
you know, young people that you're getting paid now in
good money and they don't realize, hey man, that's not
all yours.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
You know, you got to pay a portion of that
back in taxes.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
So again, they're a lot more educated than ever before
in a lot of ways because of how things have changed.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah, I just that's the one portion of it with
the NIL stuff that I wonder, you know, because you
guys kind of spoken about anybody can be an agent,
anybody could be this. It's like, well, I hope that
there would be somebody also guiding that portion of it
to where, hey, you're going to be getting two three,
four million dollars, who knows if you're going to get
(08:52):
another penny out of your football career or basketball career
or whatever. Here's what you do with that money, Like here,
and I wonder how many those players and how many
of these athletes have somebody with them to kind of
guide that portion of it.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Like you know, I see these parking lots at these schools,
and let me tell you something, NIL has changed things.
Spending money as athletes in college is a real thing.
And I think that conversation is as more it's more
(09:30):
so now a super critical conversation because, like I stated,
the taxes of it all.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
You know, how do you budget out?
Speaker 9 (09:42):
You know, there's a lot to that because you can
say what you feel about it, but you don't know
what it's like until you have it, when you have
it in your bank account and they tell you this
is how much you have or whatever it may be.
Everybody handles six sss differently. So ultimately you could go
(10:03):
to the classes, you can have a professor. You gotta
want to listen. One of the easiest things a person
can do is listen and do what it is that
is the right move to do. One of the hardest
things at the same time is to listen and do
what it is that you've been taught and told to
(10:24):
do that's going to take you in the right direction.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
It goes both ways.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
So you find out real quickly when you get money
what direction you're going to go in. Some people give
into getting the nice car or buying a house.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You buy, you buy a big ass.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
House and you don't even like at one point I bought.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
A I paid for a house and it.
Speaker 9 (10:49):
Was twenty thousand square feet on on forty eight acres.
I wanted my own place, my own private space. I
wanted to be able to hunt. I thought about putting
nine holes on it, you know, had water, right what
I was one person? What did I need a twenty
thousand square foot home for?
Speaker 7 (11:10):
You know? And it turns out it was a good
a good investment. But at the same.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Come on, man, yeah, what do you do that?
Speaker 7 (11:20):
It's very insensitive, bro, Like.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
I don't know if that's it's very so it's big
enough to have a coy pon it's.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
It's brutally mean. It was totally uncalled for. Sorry, yeah, Jonas,
that that really hurt my feelings. I'm reliving the night
they all started going bally up now.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So I don't I don't know why it has to
always go.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
Very insensitive Brady Quinn, And yes, it was that was
the residence of where you know. I watched the little
baby coys go into the pond. I watched them grow
for many, many, many moons, man many days, and then
one big storm led to the demise of all of
(12:08):
my koyfish friends. How many were there, oh, bro, they
were multiplying, so I didn't have them counted.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
I know I had.
Speaker 9 (12:17):
I bought maybe a hundred of them as babies. They
watched them they were little, and they got like they
were big.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Like.
Speaker 9 (12:27):
So when I used to go to the pro bowls,
you go to the resort. At the resort, they had
koyfish ponds, and I thought they were pretty cool. I
would sit there just to kind of collect my thoughts
and I'd be there for a little bit. And don't
you know, like koi are very very friendly fish. So
they actually like when they're really happy, they like come
(12:53):
flying torch you. If you go near where they're at,
it'll be like a whole bunch of them that just
coming they come torch you. So I use to re
enact that at my house. I'd sit down at McCoy
pond and they would come flying over.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Shouldn't be all.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
Of them, every last one of them be there and
they had their little sucky mouthed faces coming out of
the water and this that, and then I feed them
and we'd hang out.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
The friendly I can't.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
Believe that y'all would would really be so insensitive about friends.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Man, they like we talked, all hundred of them died.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
Every last one of them in.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
That smells so bad.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
It was trash bag after trash bag. It was. It was.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
We didn't even give them a proper burial.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
No, it was too many.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Would that be down the toilet?
Speaker 7 (13:43):
I can't.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
They were too big. They're like they look at your
the they were probably the size of your arms.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
How big is a baby?
Speaker 7 (13:51):
They were big. They died. I raised them for shake.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
She goes to many moons. I heard many moons?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
How many moons?
Speaker 7 (13:59):
Many?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
She doesn't even listen to the story.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Oh she's different, bro, She's totally totally brand new.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
Hey, but yeah, they were like as big as my arm,
like as long as my arm. They were big. They
were big. Yeah, And we had to take them on.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Out of there flushing down are the giants toilet?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Like that? I don't know why this has to turn
into this, Like, why can't we just have a conversation
about that.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I was just confirming that was the house that he was.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
The point of the point of the story is no house,
no cooifish, no coyfish, no massive departure of all of
my coyfish.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I mean, there was just a.
Speaker 9 (14:39):
Lot of access or accessiveness that it was just I had.
I think I had like ten cars. I collected old
school cars. I only had two modern cars. Maybe I
had a g Wagon. I think I had a Porsche Carrera.
I had a Maserati and that was it. And for
what it's worth, I didn't even pay for those cars.
(15:01):
I had a deal like people are thought I was
paying for all these cars. I had to deal with
Eastern motors groups. That's what I'd rather do the commercials
and you know, get a car rather than do the
commercials and get paid.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
I just that was my thing.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
But anyway, it was too many cars because then now
it's like, Okay, I didn't pay for the cars. But
you want to know what's crazy. I feel like the
upkeep of that stuff is is it comes close to
how much it is you paid for it, you know,
and so you start to realize very quickly, like you know,
what I could have been okay in a townhouse. It
(15:39):
would have been fine until I figure out where I
want to live. I'm a live in a townhouse. I
might pay rent like you don't have to even own it,
Like I might pay rent and just chill. I would
have sat on and stacked so many chips just off.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Of just living normal, Just living normal. Man.
Speaker 9 (15:58):
But I think it's a hard thing once once you're
thrust into that lifestyle and you're living that way and
people are around you. Everybody knows what you make, so
you fall into you know, sometimes that that pattern enough.
You know, you pay every time we you know, you
go out to eat. Next thing, you know, you realize
you don't go out to eat buy yourself anymore. It's
(16:20):
like five six people with you that that want to
go eat with you, and you know what, it's because
they eat and free every time they go out with you,
you know. So it's just it's a lot of things
that change, and you have to build really good, positive,
strong habits. You have to have a good self identity
or you'll fall victim to thinking that you can spend
enough money to validate who you are and you'll be
(16:42):
broke doing so.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Will you get cooyfish again.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Hmm, probably not?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Why not?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Uh, just probably not.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I mean that's the only way, you know, just to
try and erase that whole memory, because you know Brady
who just you know, reads the obituaries before he comes
on the air. I mean, he always brings up my
dead dog, he brings up your dead fish, and how bad.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
You did it was? It was very mean.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's the only way to kind of rid yourself of that.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
In my defense, I didn't bring up anything dead. I
just asked if that was the house where he had
the coy pond.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
No, you knew what happened.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I knew what happened to the coy pond. I didn't
know if it happened at that house.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You knew what happened.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, I'm just saying, fair question. Who also haven't heard
the story?
Speaker 8 (17:35):
That could be someone new today who's never heard the
story in the first place.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Now they actually get to hear the story.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
No, it's not a it's not a it's a painful story, so.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Why I get that. But that doesn't mean it that
it doesn't need to be told.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, now he's you.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Know, he brings all you what he's doing and night
and all that, like like he's adding descritione. Probably your
fish that you love, probably song probably smell like that
cruise job deadfish.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
What do you mean you don't think the dead thost smelled.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
They were my friends.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I didn't know the story. See, do you know what, Patty,
I didn't know.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I did not see.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
There you go, Patty just learned something. That's something.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
We had a different dead time in.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Anymore, do not chime in on any more of our conversations, Patty,
You did not You did not help the conversation at all. Patrick,
Do not chime in on topics like this too personal,
way too personal.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Damn it.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
I mean I probably even know that your coy fish died, Like, yeah, Patty,
they all die slow, painful deaths.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
They couldn't breathe.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Do you think it smelled like that hannavirus cruise ship
or do you think it was worse?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
So now you're joining into the jokes.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, no, Brady asked the question. I just wanted.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
I don't think you're so now you're joining in on
the jokes to answer the question. By the way, we
cleared them out like we drained the like expeditiously drained
the pond out and and cleared them out before it
(19:23):
got to the point of where it was really really bad.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Okay, so it wasn't It wasn't like reeking.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
It was over there.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
That's you're gone for long. Yeah. And for those who
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Speaker 3 (22:03):
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Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's right, you know, I officials.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
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Speaker 8 (22:10):
A man like whoever says hey man, great call, well
says that no one's like, hey man, thanks for actually,
you know, getting the deal done.
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I also think that, you know, maybe if they hadn't
come to terms on a deal, you know, we could
get back the replacement refs having butcher a few calls,
and people could start to appreciate the full time officials a.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
Little bit more.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Like, you know what, maybe maybe they aren't so bad.
You know, maybe a ninety six percent success rate on
their calls isn't so bad and people can stop complaining
so much. You know, that would have been nice. But
they avoided all that, they got a deal done, they
got a little bit of a pay bump, and and
we are off and running with training camps coming up
and all that, and everybody's happy. Now, I mean, does
(22:53):
Dean Bland you get a cut of all that? Or
is it just did he have anything to do with
the negotiating on.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
That or I'm not sure what Dean has to do
with any of this. And while you're bringing him to
the conversation, he's just a front of the program. I
don't know that we need to take shots or do
whatever you're trying to say.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
No, I'm just here.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
No, I'm just saying, listen, Dean's out there. He's out
there having shots. He's out there having a shot.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
He's sleeping right now. He's trying to enjoy his life sleeping.
And meanwhile, you got to drag him into some sort
of I don't know, conspiracy theory. There's already that whole
Dallas Cowboys bus thing. Now you got drag him into this.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, because him and Pereira and the guys that are
on TV, they have to explain the calls being made
by officials, and they're the ones that get the heat
on social media, because you know, apparently officials don't have
to talk unless you're in the UFL where apparently if
you're an official, rock Heward's going to pull you off
to the side and ask you some questions about why
(23:49):
you did what you did like you did this weekend.
Speaker 12 (23:51):
Dailey want to have some conversations with Ricky Poll about
a penalty or not a penalty with these contested throws,
especially to Hakeem.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
How do you judge.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Out if there's a back shoulder and I'm looking at
that and you know there's no material restriction, I'm just
going to leave it alone, to be.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Honest with you.
Speaker 12 (24:06):
So if the throw is not where it should be,
if that throw is not there, you're not going to
reward a poor throw on something like that.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
You could, you could scare that works. That works for me.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, I think it's great.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Well, there's only one issue with that. Well, was the
throw catchable or not? I think that's the that's the
term we like to use. So, I mean, a poor
throw is one thing, right, Like I would define a
poor throw as he's trying to throw you know him
upfield and instead he throws it behind him back shoulder
ish and the defender runs through him, like you know,
that should be defensive past interference, so he needs look.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
In today's dan h. And this doesn't just apply for
efficient this applies for everything.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Okay, Messaging is as important as ever, and communication is
as easy as ever, but it feels like we've all
gotten very lazy at communicating the things the way they
need to be communicat.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
And that goes for all of us out there, myself included.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
So this is an instance where when you're an official
and you don't get to talk much, but if you're
gonna be starting getting interviewed during a game after a call,
you better make sure you choose your words wisely. Okay,
that's all I'm saying, because that is not how Dean
Blandina or Mike Peyer would coach any of those officials.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Up and how they should be talking about pass interference.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
I wonder if they were aware of that before, you know,
before the game started, Like, Okay, these are things to
be aware of when you're going to be speaking on
camera during the course of the game, things to stay
away from, and things to put out there. And I
wonder what that because I just don't This is still
(25:49):
a major production, and I just wonder with those elements
being at play that you got to say to right
things as a as a referee, they don't get interviewed
very often. You don't hear from them very often. It's
a different approach to to how you're doing the game.
(26:09):
I honestly, even though it would probably come across this
very disingenuous at the pro you know, NFL level, I
honestly think that it would create an element of entertainment
that would be I think that it could exist all
its own.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
I think it is having referee commentary, you know, during
from the game, so because they're they're the part of
the game where you just can't seem to understand how
some of these calls are made and where the origin
of it comes from. So I think it's interesting. But
I do think that it is a slippery slope, so
(26:50):
to speak. You get caught up in the moment. There
could be a various amount of reasons as to why
the referee would say something maybe that they're not so
supposed to say. But I mean it did give an
entertainment element that is unique to to the UFL.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean, it'd be great if Brock here or just
went rogue nobody. He had no permission to do that,
and he said, it's UFL. I'm gonna I'm gonna swing
it something here and just pulled an official off to
the side and said, hey, explain what you did over
there real quick. I mean, that would be great, but
I also don't think it's at all a realistic option
for the NFL. They're going to try and protect the
(27:29):
officials as much as possible. I think it would be hilarious.
I think is that not protecting them though? But well,
I guess they're grown men. They're they're super I mean,
what are these guys? Are doctors, lawyers, CPA's, you know,
they're they're intelligent people in their their everyday other lives.
They I mean, if you can expect an athlete to
(27:51):
be able to handle these situations with with grace and care,
why why wouldn't we expect, you know, these these accomplished
human beings outside of them a football to handle themselves
the right way. I mean, they can't even figure out
the ball goes out of the end zone, lose possession,
give it to the other team at the twenty yard
They can't even figure out just an obvious one like that.
(28:13):
I don't know how they would navigate the waters of this.
They've got a pool report after the game. If there's
a questionable call, I would love it. I think it
would be it'd be if you want to be transparent,
like that's the way to do it, Like pull these
guys off in real time.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Why did you make that call? Did you butcher that call?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I just I don't know that it would ever happen, Like,
I just I don't know if the NFL would go
down that road and you.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
Would lose the fine system right from the players, like
if you had refer well, or maybe it'd get worse.
If you had referees being transparent about the calls in
the moment, then they could sit there and say, yeah,
you know what the ref say, he botched that call,
And then maybe you wouldn't see what took place with
you know, like with the Lakers the other night when
they they huddled up around the referee and you know,
(28:58):
JJ Reddick said the things he said. Maybe if they
were talking to the camera and giving explanation and the
coaches and the players were able to hear the explanations,
maybe they wouldn't want as much of an explanation from
the referees.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
You know what, if it could make everything better.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
What are the conversations like on the field with an
official during a game? They brief or is it just hey,
what was that about? And they'll give you an actual
explanation as to why they made a call.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
If there's a stoppage, they'll give you an explanation, but
not you don't have time in between plays anyway, you know,
I mean, if you're talking about And the hard part is,
you know, most in most cases, if you're a quarterback
and you're upset about something, unless it's like a hit
or something else, it could be the white hat whoever's
like right behind you, but you're talking, you're looking at
like sideline officials for PI and so that's not the
(29:50):
guy who's making a call, and it's whoever is on
the sideline and you're not anywhere near him, so you
can yell complain, But it's usually your sideline if that
guy's actually if you know, if your team's on that sideline,
if he's gonna be the one, there're gonna be the
ones that took complaint.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
So it all depends on the circumstances. But for the
most part.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Unless it's a stoppage, it's pretty quick and you really
can't get an explanation for the person you need.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
To get it from. Uh, if you if you know?
In most in most cases I should say.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
I agreet it the refs before the game and got
to the point of where, at some point in my
career I had to ask how their family is doing
if we were in between plays and stuff like that.
You know, what are you doing for the holidays? Is
Judy and everybody? Are the kids? You know, all that stuff, right,
I'll be doing the tackling today. Please throw the flag
(30:43):
if I get tackle type stuff, make them laugh, but
also just to show them that they you know, you matter,
you're you're a person, and you know we're we're here together.
I got a job to do, you know. Don't let
them tackle me. That was really all I said. Don't
don't let them, don't allow them.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
To tackle me.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Did help at all?
Speaker 9 (31:05):
I think I got calls. I think I got calls
that maybe other guys might not have gotten. Yeah, because
you get held if you're if if you're you know,
past rushing or even trying to run support, you get held.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
And a lot of.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Times it's just now you see it on film, it's
just not called. It's just not the thing that they call.
But you know, if I got held, you know, depending
on the officiating crew, I would get more holding calls
in the game then, you know, if it were a
group that I wasn't very familiar with, Yeah, it matters.
Relationships matter.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I mean, so they can be U you can groove
them a little bit. I mean, that's that feels like
it's a problem, you know.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
I mean communication is key. You could call it what
you want to call it. Communication is very key, and
you don't at least I didn't take it for granted.
You know, I get it out there when they come on,
because they come on. They had like their little pregame
deal too, where they come out and you know, the
way they come out onto the field, and then they'd
be standing around and like while we were in pregame,
(32:12):
you know, I make sure that I approached the the guys,
make sure I knew what guy was was standing behind.
You know, do they still have the referee that stand
behind the linebackers? Do they He's not there anymore? Right
in the NFL? Yeah, I remember just having a conversation
with with the the referee that stood behind us, and
(32:36):
if I make a big play, he'd be like man like.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Man, and I'd be like, if that thing was clean,
wasn't it?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Like we joke around, you know, I joke around and
we have a good time with it. So you know,
you figure about the time you get to halftime or whatever,
now you're chumming it up, you know what I mean.
And that was you know, that's a part of it.
It's a small part of it.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
There's also a misconception that these guys, like we always
say other their attorneys, their accountants, they've got a business.
It's like, you know, some of a lot of them
are for players. Like it's not all of them or
what people think. A lot of them are former players
to some extent. Now I've got a buddy who I
played with in the NFL and he's now an official,
and you know, well I have those conversations. But uh,
(33:21):
you know, for the most part, they all played football
at some point. It's just that it stopped and they
went on to other things. But they still want to
be a part of the game. So that's the thing.
Is like they'll they'll take joy and seeing good plays,
you know, like they'll they'll definitely say stuff, so it's
it's fun. I mean, I just think any more insight
(33:41):
into the game in real lifetime, and not only it's
a good idea to me because it doesn't take away from,
like the the emotions of that moment, and it gives
you a bit of an explanation so you can kind
of move on and instead of the fan base making
it all about whatever just took place.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Now, the is it's tough for the officials.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
In real time to be able to always get it right,
and especially a controversial call.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
It might be something where we.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Want to have another chance to look back at or
talk about what the other officials said and everything else.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
So well, time and place.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
But I think that would be cool to say that
to me.
Speaker 9 (34:17):
I feel like even more than given an explanation as
to the call before you're clear on it, I would say,
you know, what I made, The call is a judgment call.
Got to talk to the guys about it. Not sure
if it was a good call or if it was
a bad call. I could have missed it, but I
could have made it. Like, let me if you give
that type of explanation.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I mean, I don't think that works on national TV.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
I think honesty, I'm just saying, in an ideal world,
if you were being transparent about because the bottom line
is calls are missed every single play, or calls could
be made every single play. Like it's just to me,
it's how you guide narrative of it. You guide it.
(35:02):
I mean, why not. You're not going to change, You're
not going to change the way the fans feel about you.
It's just they're just not just a thankless job man.
Like just I don't know why anybody would want to
do it or subject themselves to that. I mean, but
it's crazy because they are one of the main characters
like there. I mean, if you look at every reality
(35:24):
show credits that run, you see referees in it. At
the pro like you know, the playing ball, there's always
going to be referees that are in the end credits.
The names of the people change, you know, things evolve.
One thing that is always going to be a constant
is you're going to have referees.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
So there you have it.
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in a clown suit by the New York Knicks, I mean,
absolutely dismantled and basically had nothing for New York, especially
(37:25):
after the first couple of games. Tyrese MAXI very good player,
really good player star for the Philadelphia seventy six Ers
spoke about the Knicks fans that took over Philly and
had this to.
Speaker 12 (37:41):
Say, tyres can, can you describe what it was like
playing again against the Knicks here where their fans come
down here and kind of take over your home arena?
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Do you use it as fuel? Sucked?
Speaker 11 (37:52):
If I'm being it just sucks.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
But it just sucked. Man, Yeah, it just sucks. I can't.
I that's really all like to say about man, Like
I just it's hard.
Speaker 11 (38:02):
It's definitely difficult, you know what I'm saying. And it's
only one way to put a stop to it, and
it is we have to go out there and win
these games. Like we just being completely honest, we were
better when we played them in the Garden this entire season.
Like I know we lost game two and one, but
like game two was better, regular season was better. Here
we was, you know, I was telling them, it just
(38:24):
feel it felt louder here for them than it did
in the Garden. And it's like, well, we got to
put us out to it as a team, like winning
these games, that's what's going to make you know, our
fans like louder than theirs or whatever. I don't know
how to keep them out. I don't know the logistics
of it, but you know, it does suck. I can't
even lie. It definitely does suck.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I mean, dude, that had nothing to do with you
guys losing by forty or whatever it was multiple times
over and I mean you say whatever you want about Well,
the fans aren't here, and they complained about it, and
like all these you know, jewel and beads, like, well,
don't sell your tickets to Knicks fans. I just I
don't understand why you would let that affect you to
(39:08):
the point to where they look demoralized. Like Game three,
like you saw them on the bench and they just
look like they were in shock that there were that
many Knicks fans in attendance just go play and try
and win a game.
Speaker 9 (39:21):
They might have been in shock at how good the
New York Knicks are. That could have been the look
you might have been seeing on their face of me.
I could understand looking at the stands and seeing that
there's a lot of Knicks fans there. You want to
know why there's a lot of Knicks fans there because
they have a really good team.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
They have a really good.
Speaker 9 (39:43):
Team, and it's a it's a team that looks like
it's coming into their own which is it's actually pretty scary.
It's pretty scary because you have a lot of really
really go fine players on this team. Like they are
a deep team. I mean, if you look at their roster,
(40:07):
you go down. I don't have to, you know, run
it down, but you look at how many players they
have that can make a difference. And then you take
into consideration that now one of the things that Jalen
Brunson was potentially heading down the road of and you
guys are like this one. It's almost like he was
heading down the same road as Donovan Mitchells as a
(40:31):
player that fought through injury and didn't come up in
the big moments in the playoffs for his team and whoa,
Well that's the truth.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Just look it up. Wow.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
And anyway, a really really good player, a franchise player
that has not been able to get it done at
the highest of levels in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Like that's that's just what it was. That's what it's been.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
I think this team is primed and I think they're
ready to take that next step. Now, I will say
I think they're going to have their hands full. I
do believe it's going to be Detroit who they end
up playing, and that will be a tremendous matchup between
some think I think Detroit has a fine team roster wise,
and and Cad is playing out of his mind right now,
(41:26):
so I think it'll be a tough one.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
But I see this next team.
Speaker 9 (41:30):
They have matured and they have evolved, and I think
they're I think they're good enough to the point now
where I think they're the most dangerous team in the
playoffs right now.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
West and East West and East. Okay, yeah, I do.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
You're probably not wrong because I think they're a tough matchup.
They're kind of play a different style, how physical they are.
They've got some length or too. I think what's interesting
is if you look at the money, the Calves are
the most expensive team based on their payroll currently still
in the NBA right now. Then the Knicks are right
behind them at number two. But then you've got the
seventy six ers. It's not like for lack of spending,
(42:08):
and they're gonna have to pay a luxury tax this
year because they're over that number as.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Well, so they're seventh in the NBA.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
I mean, I just I feel like if you look
at all the teams that are still left, at least
in the East, with the exception of the Pistons, and
they're somewhat of a young team, all three are within
the top seven of the NBA and spending, so, you know,
money talks. I think if you look at the Knicks,
they've obviously spent tremendously to get this deal done for
the Cavs, bringing it hardened, you know, increases that number
(42:35):
to take them.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Over the top.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
But it's not for lack of trying for the seventy
six ers. I just think to your point, like the
Knicks are just that good and the way this team
is comprised. I don't want to say they're an old
school kind of throwback, but they remind.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Me of.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
You know, it was some of those nineties teams that
were able to move on to win.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
A championship with the style of play, you know, the
big men down low, the way Brunston kind of controls
the game. I just I look at that and say,
I think that's like a change up from what we've
seen in past years from a lot of teams who
I've been able to win. And I think it's an
interesting contrast too. If it is okayc if it's San Antonio,
it's Minnesota, whoever ends up coming out of the West.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
It will be interesting to see who that is.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
That's assuming though the next can get past the Cleveland
Calves in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, I mean, was that a retaliation because of the
koy Pond stuff that Brady said, Well, you had to
bring up Donovan Mitchell. You guys are gonna like this.
He's got to, you know, had a reputation like Donovan
Mitchell like, I don't know why that needed to be
brought into the equation. Felt like a direct shot of
Brady there.
Speaker 9 (43:36):
I mean that happened while he was in Utah. I
mean he was coming up short before he came to
the seventy six ers, so.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
He's probably bored.
Speaker 9 (43:47):
I mean, maybe it was a little bit of hate
in my heart when I did it. Maybe I was
filling the residual effects of that segment of where you
guys totally made fun and joked about my loved ones.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
By the way, the Sixers bitching because Knicks fans took
over the arena. Man, they haven't had much to cheer
about for a long time, Knicks fans.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I mean they've they've gone.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
They've supported you know, they've gone to Madison Square Garden.
That's always been an electric environment. But usually when you
go to MSG for a Knicks game, it's usually the
opponent who becomes the star. We've seen it throughout the
years to where it was Reggie Miller, it was Halliburton
last year. Trey Young had a run against Knicks fans
for a while. Remember they were they were they were throwing.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
Nickname out.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
I think, yeah, Ice Tray, Yeah, like so normally it's
been whoever, whoever the best player on the opposing team
is might become Yeah, they become the star of Madison
Square Garden because Knicks couldn't deliver. And so finally, over
the past couple of years, they've they've come out and
they've won games. They got past Boston. Last year they
(45:02):
gagged against Indiana. But it does feel like they've taken
that next step. They won the Ncason Tournament, whatever that's worth,
and I just I look at the next and I go, yeah,
of course their fans are going to show up. They
finally have a legitimate contender to cheer for. And the
best part is they're going to get to the finals
and get butchered by the Thunder. They are going to
(45:25):
get butchered, and then we get to see You could
say it in repetition, but that's not I don't see
that being.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
I don't say it again one more time, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Butchered by the thunder.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
Y'all going up top on that go up top. No, No,
they might, they may not make it past the Spurs.
So you could say, when check, when check the wind
puppet meets the real wind puppet, all right, when he
meets the real one. When he sees a real slim
(46:02):
reaper coming his way, they may not have an answer.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, but Chet's goot style. That's a wind puppet with
some attitude. He's got some style too.
Speaker 9 (46:12):
When bin Yama just elbowed a man out, elbowed him right, like,
put that sharp, little thin elbow right in his face.
So he's letting you know. He's put OKC on notice.
He's put him on notice. And I tell you what,
the New York Knicks, they're putting people on notice too.
(46:34):
And you got to mention Karl Anthony Towns in the
conversation as well, because he's always kind of disappeared in
big games too, and he became a perimeter shooter and
didn't want to really play aggressive bault and you know,
inside the paint and play down low, and people were
(46:55):
just so frustrated with him last year. You got to
get the dude credit this year year, he's not only
operating efficiently in in the block, in the post, but
his his ability to create matchup issues because he can
play outside has caused the court to open up for
them in offensive sets. And he's finding the open guys
(47:18):
because they're really really concerned about stopping Carl Anthony Towns. So,
I mean, he's he's he's he's seeing the court. Guys
are are getting opportunities because the court is open. They're
they're open for business. So give Carl Anthony Towns a
lot of credit too. He's not shooting them out of
(47:40):
games this year.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Were you were you? I think last year did you
refer to him as zesty?
Speaker 7 (47:46):
Yeah, that's yeah, Yeah, what did you mean that was
not That was not me? What do you mean by that? Well,
that was not me?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
That was that.
Speaker 9 (47:54):
That was social media that came for him because of
the way he passed the ball or something to that effect.
And then they started doing a deep dive search like
they're doing on Mike Vrabel, and they started finding all
of these things and trying to create timelines about you know,
zestiness of things that he did that was not me,
That was not original from you, That was social media.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I mean there are some clips of him where you're like,
what is that?
Speaker 9 (48:20):
I just think he just has he's a big dude,
and he's actually a really really like cool dude. Like
he's sophisticated, he speaks very well, he handles himself, very well.
He just seems like he's just one of them dudes
that was raised differently, Like he wasn't out in the
streets like getting scuff marks and scrapes on his knees
(48:41):
and stuff like that, and his elbows and his shoulders,
you know, from playing in the streets and stuff like that.
Street football, you know, street soccer, street hoops, all that stuff.
He just looked like he might have been more so
like you know, he wanted to watch TV or you know,
like hang out, you know that way.
Speaker 7 (49:00):
He just didn't.
Speaker 9 (49:02):
He just doesn't seem like he's you know, he's he's
a little like a coluctic maybe like Renaissances.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Hey, you know, you know, but he can hoop, yeah,
he can ball.
Speaker 7 (49:15):
And and and it's showing up.
Speaker 9 (49:17):
It's showing up right now while Brunson is their their
score and and mikel Bridges is really like doing a
hell of a job being like that second scoring option
to perceivably if Karl Anthony Towns is having a down
night and off night, they just have balance.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Man.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
I really like where this this next team.
Speaker 9 (49:40):
Is right now, if I'm being honesty, they have good
balance and they're making good decisions and that didn't always
seem to be like the case like in years past.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
Well, we'll see how it plays out. But uh, you know,
good for Knicks fans got something to cheer about now.
They're on their way to the Eastern Conference Finals yet again.
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