The Best Of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe

On this episode of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, & LaVar Arrington discuss the Steve Sarkisian throwing shade comments recently. Plus, the guys talk about JC Tretter's comments on the usage of grass fields, Petros Papadakis stops by, and much more!!

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Speaker 3 (01:43):
So remember we were talking about Lane Kiffin had made
some comments to Vanity Fair about ole Miss and just said,
you know, it was really hard because of diversity and
whatnot to recruit you know, to ole Miss as opposed
to recruiting to LSU. And then he had to go
back and you know, kind of clarify his statements.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, which I.

Speaker 7 (02:05):
Don't think that helped things, by the way, like him
clarifying his statements might have only dug him in.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
A deeper hole nikes.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I also don't know if anybody really believes what
he says.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't want to like just say in general, but
when he talks, I just assume there's a layer of
trolling underneath it, based on you know, whatever his social
media history is, you know, when he leaves places, when
he left Tennessee, like all of that stuff. I just
assume he's being a smart ass, Like he's just like

(02:39):
that's that's just him, you know, kind of leaning into
that or whatnot. So he tried to clarify it and
come back, you know, a day later and say no,
that wasn't the case or whatnot. When the article first
came out, well, Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian spoke about
the Luke Farelli situation. Luke Ferelli was a guy from
cal who committed to Clemson. He was in class at

(03:02):
Clemson and allegedly was being recruited by Ole Miss. Ended
up leaving Clemson, went to ole Miss. Davos Sweeney Devosweeney
went on a tear, just ripping into him Ole Miss.
So on and so forth, and so Steve Starkesian said
the following quote. At Texas, we only take fifty percent
of a player's academic credit hours. You may be a

(03:24):
semester from graduating, but you're going all the way back
to fifty percent if you play here and want a degree.
But at Ole Miss they can take you. All you
have to do is take basket weaving and you can
get an Old Miss degree. It's like we've forgotten about academicshit.
Less than five percent of these guys will play in
the NFL. We all signed up to be a part
of the NCAA, and then we allegedly make the rules.

(03:46):
Everyone knows the rules, right then we go to our
attorney general and say we don't like the rule. Let's
just sue right now, no one is afraid of the consequences.
John Sumral stepped in to kind of defend Ole Miss
on social media, the now Florida head coach. So it
just feels like it's sort of everybody taking a shot
at Ole Miss, especially recently. And I'm just trying to

(04:08):
I want to throw this out there as a theory,
all right, because they've got, you know, their spring meetings
I think are coming up in a couple of weeks.
I wonder if part of this is people have seen
the Big Ten sort of take over as maybe the
powerhouse of college football, and maybe this is their way

(04:31):
to try and spark up some interest and some drama
if you can't win it on the field and you're
no longer considered that powerhouse conference. Now you've got multiple
schools fire and rounds at other schools as they get
ready for this, and I just wonder if they're trying
to really lean in to the drama part of it
to try and stir it up a little bit, create

(04:52):
some interest and generate a little bit of fun when
it comes to the SEC.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
That's not the directive of any of these coaches, in
my opinion. That's not This stuff happens naturally for people
who follow college football. You know that the storylines are dramatic.
It can feel like soap operas. It can feel like
a sitcom. I mean, it literally is as crazy and
as wild as you can imagine. And it's important because

(05:18):
the way these universities are run, who they're controlled by,
and even how the coaches can kind of operate and
still despite you know, for example, Steve Sarkisian, who is
the head coach of Texas Austin, big city, obviously you
know it's still they're still a concerned college house, right Like,
So there's certain things that you can kind of you know,

(05:40):
for example, to childless when he appeals, they go to
a judge who's an old miss fan who's like getting
an autographer dapping him up after the decision to Reinstateum, right,
Like that stuff goes on. It's harder for it to
happen at the National Football League level because there are
so many eyes on it.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
These are bigger cities, you can't get.

Speaker 7 (05:59):
A with quite as much, and it's a world that's
much more concrete than how it's structured and how it operates.
That's not the case for college football. You know, they're
in a state of transition. Some would say chaos. I
don't quite see it like that. But one of the
things that you have state to state that some of

(06:20):
the coaches are frustrated by could be the manner in
which how athletes can be paid for nil. There's certain
states that allow them to be compensated while they're in
high school, there's certain states that don't. Still, there's it's
an unleveled playing field as you go across the country,
and then how you can go about recruiting those kids.
So that's the hard part is it's different in whole

(06:44):
fifty states and then it's different based on how aggressive
that school wants to be or how aggressive of a
donor they have.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
And wanting to be evolved.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
And I think we've seen Texas Tech rise to prominence
because of Cody Campbell and the amount of money in
financial investment he's made into that team and he's been
very outspoken about it, and then his thoughts on the
college football world lobbying, you know, Congress. So it's just
it's two different worlds. So this isn't like a fabricated deal.
This is the essence. This is the fabric of what

(07:15):
college football is. There's guys who get ticked off about
what's happening and recruiting. The difference is within their conference,
and that's just one of the differences in the SEC
as compared to the Big Ten, where there is a
thought at least amongst university presidents and athletic directors. In
the Big Ten, there's a lot more consideration given towards

(07:37):
the academic side of things. And even when they were
realigning the conference, who they brought in and why they
brought in was one of those questions they were asking themselves,
like do these universities uphold the academic standards that we
feel like our university is uphold.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I don't see why the coaches even subject themselves to
these types of conversations. I just think that you handle
what's in front of you, Handle handle your your staff,
handle handle your your delegating of duties, handle the structure

(08:15):
of how you're going to run your program. Focus in
on the culture that you need to build because all
of these things like all right, you want to take
aim at another university and their academic standards, like there's
no real loyalty.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
There's no real loyalty.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
If Steve Sarkejan gets gets let go, and it'll eventually
happen because that's what happens in this that industry. If
he gets let go as a as a head coach
like his his focus isn't on what the academic standards
of Old Misses. His focus is is there a job

(08:53):
available at Old miss? Is there a job available at
one of these schools that I can go coach at?
To me, I think it's like sometimes it's just really
I don't know, I just feel like it's like, what's
it called? Like, well, I don't feel like it's coming
from a genuine place when when these criticisms are coming

(09:16):
from from guys that aren't institutions, like I could see
if Nick Saban and even Nick Saban has been, you know,
been a few different places, but at some point it's like,
this is an Alabama man, Like I get that, Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
But if you're if you've spent a couple of years out.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Of school and different things like that, I just, you know,
worry about what you need to worry about. Like when
you start to get into the politics of the institution,
I feel like that's going down an entirely different lane
that maybe not even necessary for a coach to do.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
Here's here's the issue is we're talking about quotes from
Steve Sarkisian about the academic side of things. What really
drew a stir was this from link k him and
regards to recruiting at Old miss recruiting at LSU.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
This is what really caused more of a stir, a
bit of a backlash. And that's obviously that the.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
Hay coach, we really like you, but my grandparents are
letting me move dogs for Mississippi. That it doesn't come
up when we when we say baton rouge Louisiana parents
are sitting here this weekend saying this campus is diversity
feels great. It feels like there's no segregation, and we
want that for our kids because that's.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
The real world.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
So obviously you can see how lane Kiffin is stacking up,
you know, against Old miss in recruiting, which has to make.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Be golden and guys who stayed.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
Behind, who were with him, who were there, who recruited
at a really high level, just shake their head because
you know, maybe that's something that they came across in
recruiting LeVar because when you look at, you know, some
of the historic symbols on Old Missus campus, you see
a Confederate flag, you see you know, the Colonel Rebel mascot. Yeah,
maybe that sparks now. Since then, lane Kiffin obviously clarified

(11:02):
and apologizing, I really apologize if anybody Old miss Orssissippi
was offended by that. Old miss has been wonderful to
me and my family wasn't calculated by bringing it up.
So that was more of the quote that I think
stirred a lot of backlash towards lane Kiffin, at least
in regards to it.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And look in today's day and age that.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Might still be living in the minds of a lot
of people who are being recruited there. You know, they
might be looking at the offer they're getting for nil,
and instead they look up and see something else that
taps into something that's a little bit deeper rooted, and
they're like, yeah, I can get paid close to this,
and I can go somewhere else and play football and
still achieve my dreams.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I just again, I look at it like, you know,
people could say that about State College. You know, it's
just the terminology of it. I think it's interesting. You know,
the way Kiffin chose to go about doing it is
the white out. You're right, no, because it's Pennsylvania and

(12:01):
that's you know, it's farmers and you know, stuff like that,
and just just a different, different approach to things like
there are there are some places.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
In different approach to things.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Oh, there are different Like my kids were in the
uber going to to the airport in Harrisburg. Like maybe
during spring break time, the uber breaks down on the
way to Harrisburg. In between you know, State College and
Harrisburg and the town that they broke down in the uber,

(12:33):
lady had to drop them off at a public spot.
It wasn't very many. It was a local small pizzeria.
Gets out at the pizzeria. And I know this to
be factual because I've been around done practicing work. It
was probably the first black people that those people in
that town. So are really most likely in the hills

(12:54):
of Appalachia, it's most likely the first time that they
saw black could say, yeah, my name is Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Hold on now, you can't where are you coming from?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
No man, man, It's like I'm Michael Jordan in the
amination the count that man to Washington, gad to meet.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You the heels of the Nimby Mountain chain.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Hey see, hold on now, where are you on here?

Speaker 8 (13:24):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (13:26):
My kids said they saw they saw these There was
like an old man was looking out his window curtain.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
He said.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
He started to close it and then it was like
he had to keep looking, so he pulled the car.
They're real, he said. There was a little boy. It
was a little boy walking on the street and saw
him and ran home. So I don't know what the education, you.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Know, where he stranger danger?

Speaker 9 (13:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
But the point I'm making.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Is there are a lot of college towns where you
can make the argument of inclusion or segregation.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
And all it's the terminology I mean.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Used, there's there's HPCU chemises where I don't feel that.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
I mean why because you're not, Because you're not.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
And it's coming from a guy who's got a family member.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
You know, there you go, there, we go, hey, and
here's here's what's interesting. Though again again to bring it
up like these are these are things that you're going
to experience when you go on your visits DA DA, DA,
this and that and the other.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's it.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
It ultimately comes down to the relationship that you built
within the within the community that you you're looking at right,
Like you could you could say, all right, well I
could go get an I L money here and go
to this place and it's a better place, like you
probably deal with some of that mess and back rouge
what like it's it's you're gonna do. I'm sure elements

(15:05):
wherever it is that you go. And so to kind
of pull that, pull that out, I just I don't know, Well, okay,
why you go there? That's do I guess that's the
point I'm making. Why you even trying to make it
that it's Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 7 (15:20):
I think it's very clear why he tries to go there,
because Pete Golding knows a lot of the tricks of
his trade. You know, he end up gets gets hired
as the head coach there, and he watched Lane Kiffin operate,
he watched them recruit, so he understands how this all works.
And I'm sure he's, you know, Lane's trying to find
a way for any kids that he wants to poach

(15:41):
off that roster that he recruited, or any players that
he was recruiting at Old Miss that he wants to
recruit at LSU. I'm sure he's using this as a tactic,
and he's able to have that, you know, the ability
to say, well, you know, I'm just trying to come
across respectfully and and these points are just factual. These

(16:02):
are just some of the challenges that I faced there.
It's not a direct shot. I'm just being honest. And
then it tries to like make it come off like
it's coming off as a good guy, but the reality
is they play each other September nineteenth this year. You
better believe there is going to be a lot of
bad blood between these two and this doesn't you know,
this pours a little bit more on top of that,

(16:23):
and in regards to the recruiting trail, So He's calculated.
Bro Lane's calculated with this stuff.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Do you feel like there would be like, was there
anything old mis could have done that would have kept
Lane Kiffen there?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
No.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
I think if you read through the kind of vanity
fair story, you get the sense that he felt like
they had reached their ceiling. And look, this was a
lot of the commentary, and this is no disrespect to
some of the coaches that I'm gonna mention, but this
was some of the commentary that came out of the
Brian Kelly decision to go down to LSU was well,
I've witnessed less Miles and had Orizron when a national

(17:02):
championships there, so I know I can like they look
at their track record as a head coach and they
are like, well, if those two guys can win national
championships there, I can.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Win there and say I get one there too.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
Yes, but I'm talking about again, no one's throwing less
Miles and at Origron in the next saving.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
So so that's kind of my point.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
It's like those two guys, So in essence, that's what
they're kind of saying.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
Right like, look at the resources.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Look at the facilities, look what look.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Look at what they did fruit and developed, look at them,
look at them. It's kind of like the Eagles in
the NFL where he was like, oh what, Dick Sirianni
can't do it.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
I could do with that roster. Doug Peterson did it.
I could do it there.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
It's just I don't know that. Nick Serianni said that.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
And it's a little apples to oranges NFL to college
just because again, these things it's drastically different from from
school to school. But I think Lane feels confident in
his ability to get the types of players that you know,
he's experienced, whether it's from his time at SC and
the recruiting.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Advantage they had back then.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
I feel like he doesn't look at LSU in any way,
shape or form as being limited and that's ultimately.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
What he's looking for.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
He's not like any bad experience he had recruiting a
player that if there were concerns about whatever it is
at Old Miss, he's not going to have that at LSU.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Like LaVar you brought that up.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
But there's probably some differences too in him looking at
saying yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
But and the last thing I just say.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Is if you can dominate the state of Louisiana, like
Louisiana has incredible recruits and good football players and programs like,
you can't necessarily say that as much an OLDMIT or missimmits.
So even like your local footprint, your state footprint, it's
harder to recruit, and an old MISS is not necessarily
the easiest place to get to, whereas Baton Rouge a

(19:05):
little easier. Not that far from New Orleans, you probably
get a lot of direct flats and driving him out.
So there's just there's a lot of little things that
are up. But I think ultimately he looked at the
other two kinds of one one I thought, damn, if
they could do it, I could do it.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
And he's probably right.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
That's the interesting thing about it, the way that the
things that Lane Kiffin has shown that he's able to do,
if he can repeat that process at LSU, you would
think that he'd get better. You know, he'll get better results.
I mean, he did it at the school in Florida.
What's the school he was at in Florida?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
FAU FAU.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
You did it at FAU, Like, come on, man, you're
not supposed to be able to have the level of
success he did at FAU. I mean, the dude be
figuring it out. Like, let's be clear on that. Like you,
people could take the stances on him that they want
to take ethically or morally. However, I don't you know,
but to do be getting it done. He gets it done.

(20:05):
And you'd assume that if he has the resources that
that you know that are being shown in media that
Q is highlighting that you're highlighting, and they're okay.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
With seeing black people come around. They're ready to go.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean, if you got to believe that it's it's
it's all to the good.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
I just don't understand. I guess it, and I know
that it exists.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
I know it exists, and I know that there's been
stories and we've talked about it, and this is another
example of it. But I don't I don't understand the
approach of some of these coaches, and it feels like
it's more in college football than anywhere else. I don't
understand the let's call out all the issues with one
program when everybody knows you could find a body buried

(20:51):
with every single coach in the sport.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Everybody like you know that, and I just don't.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
He burns every bridge that he walks away like he's
done it it every single side he's entertaining his Hell,
I like a natural the best ones because they don't,
they don't care. Everyone's everyone's been an awkward departure.

Speaker 6 (21:12):
I'm a naturally one with I'm not saying you can't.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
You can't not say you're one that. If if you
love singing others.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
I love seeing it in other people. If you're going
to hate, hate is real.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Here here's and look, I've never been recruited by him.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
You got to have hate to have love. So I
don't know what his prerogative is. Well, some would say
the opposite of love is indifference. Oh so anyway, and
I'm trying trying to get philosophical.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I mean, I just some would say.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
This about him is And again, I've never been recruiter
or coach by him. But if he's only ultimately looking
out for himselves, that becomes tough because to Jonas's point,
he does leave everywhere he he you know, moves on
from kind of a dumpster fire and that would be
the hesitation in hiring him at any place, because you

(22:04):
kind of feel like you're doing a deal with the devil.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
You all just doesn't work out, it's gonna go south quick.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Whereas other places you can look and say, regardless of
if they left, they left it at a really high standard.
Bob Steops decided to step down to Oklahoma still left
that thing running at a high level for Lincoln Riley.
Now I don't know that you can make that case
when Lincoln Riley left and how he left, but that's
where Oklahoma was at, Orban Meyer left it for Ryan

(22:31):
Day like that, you can go on through and you
can even say Brian Kelly where he left. Notre Dame
Margins Freeman is taking it up a notch, but he
left it at a certain level for.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Them to kind of take it from there.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
And so there's elements of that where you don't have
the burn bridges everywhere.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I think we've seen examples.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
But for some reason, man, he doesn't even care about
anything else but himself and his own success, and if
it ain't working out, he'll just leave you on a
burnt down town and trail.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
That's just how he chooses to to you know, to
levy out what his residual or non residual effects are.
I mean, I feel like you could say the same
thing about those coaches that left those organizations, those those universities,
and that you can you can, from the sense of

(23:18):
it could selfishly mean more to them to be spoken
about in a legacy manner than it would be even
just in the moment of just.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Coaching leaving for a better opportunities. One thing, you know,
Nick Saban left LSU because he wanted to go coach
the Dolphins. Then you know when he left the Dolphins
to go back to Alabama. There are some stuff going
on there, all of that, but he never came out
afterwards and buried the program.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
He was just at or called out.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Elaine Kiffin's done that everywhere.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Yeah, And I'm not I'm not disputing any.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Of of the the information that that is being, you know,
put out there that way. All I'm saying is is
that his legacy to him is much like the reason
why coaches get hired and fired to begin with. If
winning is important, and in some of these cases, winning
at any means all hands on deck, like winning is everything,

(24:16):
we have to win. If you get one guy that
takes on the personality that it's just all about winning
and that's all they're focused in on. Sure, it'd be
nice to say that the person cares about the kids
that they're coaching, care about them getting an education, care
about them and then their mental and emotional health and
all that stuff. But if some of a lot of

(24:37):
these coaches are being honest, they only care about themselves
and their ego is what they care about, and that's
what they're feeding, whether they tell the media or the
people or the parents or whatever. So I like the
fact that we got one that just keeps it all
the way real and that man is Laane Kiffin, lot
of money man.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
Whether you like him or not, you still be hiring.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Y'all.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Still be y'all, y'all, you're hiring them.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
Which is a bit sad too, because are you trying
to tell me there's not other candidates out there?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
You know, other guys that you feel like.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
I mean, honestly, Michigan Jim Harbaugh is an example someone
who I don't know that he left Michigan in the
best terms.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Obviously, they won a national championship. That was a great
way of leaving it.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
However, the mess that Chirol more Than had to encounter,
but then the mess that was with shrowing more and
everything going on, which ultimately was revealed.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's like, now they're bringing Kyle Winningham to clean this
up and to get them back to the level where
they need to be. So it's just it's odd to
me that.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
There's watch the highest level Q think about what I
think about what Franklin took over.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
There's there's there's levels of that Penn State we can
get into as well as other places. It's just odd
to me when universities are like, oh man, we feel
like we're in a really low spot or bad point,
and they just continue to make bad decision, they continue
to be.

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up and said, we're not going to raise concession prices
or food prices or any of that stuff. We're going
to keep it the same. So you want to get
a hot dog for three bucks, you can. You want
to get a beer for nine bucks or eleven bucks,
whatever it is, you can. So he's doing his part.
But the other complaint that is out there is the
fact that you got all these NFL stadiums and because

(28:46):
the World Cup's come into town, they're just going to
roll in the natural grass, right all those artificial turf
stadiums the players in the NFL have been complaining about
for years and talking about for years and citing injury
concerns and everything to go along with it. That's become
an issue. So the NFLPA executive director J. C. Tredder

(29:07):
was on Cam Hayward's podcast and he talked about the
grass field issue as it pertains to the players.

Speaker 11 (29:13):
Well aren't they also sometimes the owners are bringing in
grass for like soccer and not for their own players.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
So how do you go about that?

Speaker 11 (29:20):
Because that seems really off why wouldn't you want to
protect your investment on that.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Right.

Speaker 11 (29:24):
You look at FIFA, they'll roll out, rolling out the
ground green carpet for soccer players and that's become the
norm where over in you know, the European leagues, like
that is what you do.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
You play on grass.

Speaker 11 (29:37):
They have surface standards that each thing is rolled out,
it's exactly how it's supposed to be. And those players
will not play if it's not that. And they you know,
I think they came out to a practice in the
DC area and they went out just to like a
practice field, and they said, this isn't good enough. We're
not practice there. And that's what the players decided. They
are very particular. I know there are some for the
high level players that's in their contract, like if it's turf,

(29:58):
I ain't playing on it, and that's how they take
a stand. And I think this is something that's really
important to Gouds.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
So is that going to Okay? Let's just understand though,
who pays for it.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
That's what it ultimately comes down to, because when the
nfl PA tries to make this.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, you guys are our owners, and you don't you don't,
you don't want to pay for this. Sick, We'll hold
on for a second.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
Okay, Now there's local and state government funding.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
That helps the owners pay for this.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
The owners are obviously, by hosting World Cup games, receiving
a ton of money to help pay for this, and
that's ultimately what this is about. This is business. I
mean there's even federal funding that goes to this. Now
it might not go directly to the grass, but it
helps the bottom line for those owners who are hosting
World Cup games.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So as much as players want to complain.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
About it in the NFL, the reality is the owners
are willing to pay for it because they're making so
much much off these games they can afford to do it.
And I also would would say this, I don't know
that you know soccer fields get torn up the same
way football fields do.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know?

Speaker 7 (31:12):
The trenches that are moving between the hashes get torn
up in a significant way. And look, I think we're
all smart enough that someone can figure out a solution
for that. You know, some of these hybrid bunds and
stuff they can do, or how they can roll in
new turf, But there's an expense that comes with that.
And much like the FIFA, standards, which is their decision

(31:35):
to only let their players play on grass turf. The
NFL PA should have a standard too, but if they
want that standard, they have to negotiate for it. So
they've got to work within their CBA and against the
NFL owners. And we talk about this every time there's
some issue that the NFL players have to give something

(31:59):
up in order to get something that they want, And
I just don't know what players are gonna honestly say, hey,
I'm willing or at least collectively, as the vast majority
of the group see, I'm willing to give up X
in order to get grass fields. There might be a
good amount of guys, but if some way, shape or form,

(32:21):
if that hits their bank account, or if that hits
their retirement or something else where, funds are being diverted
out of that for grass fields, I don't know that
many players would would then want to be for it.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
I think it's a pretty clear cut situation, don't I don't.
I don't feel as though I need to rehash it.
I mean, I think I think Hughes covered it. I
grew up playing on grass fields. I was fortunate enough
to play on grass surfaces my entire career so well,

(33:01):
except for I don't know, if I've played in New York,
I wouldn't call that playing, so I think that was
phild turf. But anyway, I mean I played on on
on grass and high school, agricultural school at Penn State.
It's you know, surfaces are always going to be a conversation.
I mean, you got to think I come from a

(33:21):
day and age when it was astro turf. I played
on astro turf before three River Stadium was astro turf.
I played in the Vet. Their turf was crazy bad.
So I played on some really really messed up surfaces.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
What was under the astro turf concrete, but there was
there like any sort of a patting or was it
just straight grass into concrete.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
I don't remember, but it was.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
It was a very it was it was it was
considered to be a very very fast surface because there
was no like you know, it's it was on a
hard surface and it wasn't like very It was like
running on a carpet. It's like running on a carpet.
I don't know what was underneath, but I think there's concrete.

(34:08):
There's concrete there. I know that, But I don't know
what if there was a layer between the turf and
the concrete, it didn't feel like it.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
And then so not only is the landing hard, but
then you get a scuff up your elbows.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Oh when you land that's like like just think of
like sparking a match.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I mean it's a bit aggressive.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
No, it's not.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
That could that could be a little bit uh, that
could be a little bit understated. That's why you put
Yeah there you go right where they were with me.
That's why you had they started. You start seeing people
put like the strips and they would take it all
the way from their wrists all the way up to
like where their shoulder was.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
But there would be times to where they would if
they would already get the burn, and then they put
the tape on afterwards you see the black.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Blood coming through the white tape. Oh ruh, like sandpaper.
It's probably that's a better which I guess. That's like
a strike strip for a match. It was like like
an attacky type surface. It just felt really bad. Man,
it felt really bad falling all astro turf. But you
were fast, yeah, you were You were faster. You were

(35:19):
fast as hell. To answer your question, Johnny's, it was
usually just concrete. It was usually however they applied it.
There was an element of patting underneath. But it wasn't crapy, man.
It wasn't like it was it was that soft or anything.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
But but that was because I played in the Carrier Dome,
so that was obviously inside outside. I remember we played
in Boston College when I was in college. I don't
know what it was under that. It could have just
been some layer of like graveling whatever else they put
on it. But it has to be something flat because otherwise,
you know, the way that carb would sit.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It wouldn't be even right.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
But I think, I think, I think sometimes there's a
miscan too when we talk about turf versus natural turf.
Some of the data is kind of conflicting. Because the
NFLPA has tracked this, there's been a lot of studies
on this. No one's gonna argue that artificial turf isn't
a faster surface, which I think are our brains lead

(36:17):
to this thought that knowing if it's faster, it must
be harder on us, And I think most players would
admit you do feel more sore like your joints and
everything else after playing on turf probably than.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Grass, but and La, maybe you disagree with this.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
I always felt like like bad grass it was actually
it was worse to play on, Like you could plan
on some really bad services where whether it was too
slick or too hard or whatever else. I mean, if
you couldn't heat the things so it wasn't frozen. I
just there's times too when if it's not well maintained turf,

(36:51):
give me, give me field turf, give me sometimes at
least more consistent, because.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
At least I know what I'm dealing with.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
The big house.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Yeah, yeah, their turf was too soft like and it
just came up like you like, And that was scary
because if you're anchoring to deal with these big ass
linemen that that the other team has, that that Michigan has,
you're trying to anchor and literally chunks of grass are

(37:19):
coming up. I remember grabbing up like just throwing it
like this punk ass field. I hated it, and I
think they've since corrected it. Maybe I don't know, but
I guess because of how deep it it's fieldterf. Now
it's fieldterf. Okay, well, yeah, I mean it was horrible.
You'd be down there and and and I mean back then.

(37:45):
I don't know if they still do this now, but
you know, you try out your shoes and every single well,
I won't only played there once, but I put I
put those extra long cleats in, like extra line. I
think they were legal, honestly, I think they were. I
mean they were.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
They look like like the one inches.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Is that what they were?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, hell yeah, we used to have that's screwings.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yeah they were.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
That was the thing. That's the thing I never understood too.
With guys. We'd go to a place and they'd be like,
hey man, the turf's bad.

Speaker 7 (38:19):
Put in the put in those long spikes, putting the
screwings and you see it, which, by the way, I
mean those things were. I think they were like metal
tip too right. They wouldn't wear it down.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (38:28):
I just love how there'd be guys who'd go out
for warm ups like they didn't want to believe everyone
telling them that the turf was crap, and so you'd
see them be like, oh man.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Now I got to change my cleats and our poor equipment. Guys.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
There'd be like a line of thirty guys and maybe
only ten of them are actually playing. They're they're trying
to screw these things off, getting the new ones on
all that like all before like a game, and you're
just like, dude, come on, like trust them next time,
they just put on the long spice first, and that
way we don't have to worry about this.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
It looked like Nascar, a NASCAR pit stop when you
see guys like, oh man, like they're slipping, we're slipping.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
You see the motor.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
And then there was like a special wrench you would
use to unscrew them.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, that's high school. That's an amateur hour. What I
was like, we had like spider in them had like
a drill. You had a drill gun going. Did you
just hear what that doesn't you went? There would be
two drills going, they in and out, getting back in,
getting back in. Yeah, that's a real That was a

(39:40):
real drill. Dudes would go out and be like you can,
like pregame, you'd be like you can, you can make
it with these And then when you start going full
throttle and you go and you see you start seeing
streaks all over the place because guys is spinning out
when they're trying to plant and go, whether it's the receivers,

(40:03):
whether it's the corners, whether it's the pass rushers, whether
it's the backs. You just start seeing all of these
skin marks on the field. Next thing, you know, like
you said, you see this mad Dadh, they just be
on their knees. You just see screwings just just flying
all over the place, just just just up in the air, like,

(40:25):
get him out of here. I remember the sound of it.
If I recall correctly, it was five and five and two.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
You can hear it.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It's in the bottoms, five and two, five and two, I
think I think it's five and two.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
The hill had two out of there. Get him back
in there, like, get him out of there?

Speaker 9 (40:57):
Like.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
But yeah, man, surfaces do matter. Surfaces do matter, and
they do have different impacts and different effects on your body.
And then you take into consideration, like the conversations we
were having at length about now you're taking the consideration
the technology of the shoes that these guys are wearing.
How does it all play, because it all plays apart.

(41:22):
It all plays a part in what the health of
that player is. You know, whether they're dealing with foot issues,
whether they tear out an achille, popping achilles tendon. Now
you're talking about the wear and tear on the joints.
The wrong move.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
As fast as that astro turf was and some of
these different artificial surfaces, you take a wrong step, or
you get going too fast in a different direction. Sometimes
your foot gets caught. That's a ligament. It's a ligament
out of there sometimes, like sometimes you're just going so
fast you try.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
To change directions. Is out of there, Like ligament is gone.
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Man's like, it's a lot of different elements connected to surfaces,
and it's not just the obvious of you know, if
you fall on it as a cushion, does it feel
good or whatever? And different things like that. Like there's
a lot of to me, I think there's a lot
of health concerns that's connected to it.

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Speaker 7 (43:41):
That's an awful, awful, terrible It's terrible. I mean that
that's not only in the strike zone, it's above his head.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, of course, who is this?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Who is this up?

Speaker 6 (43:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I didn't I knew it was bad in real time,
but then he was so he my son was so
pissed that he started it was like tears of frustration,
and I had to go talk to him and kind
of console him a little bit. And then I looked
at the video afterwards, like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
What did you say to him? Look, you're a OX
and we get dealt.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Oh yeah, he already knows that used to.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, swing and everything, So you're ANOX.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
He's already got to that one that was too tall
and whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Whenever we play baseball, he's got the habit now to
where if he strikes out or anything, he'll go to
his ears to check the review, like, hey, let's check
the headset, Like that's his thing.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
I'm like, hey, man, you know you're an OX that
the headset doesn't exist for us. You're just gonna lose,
and God forbid you start gambling, You're really gonna have
a problem.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
I'm so so bad for him. He was standing there like,
there's no way that was like he was waiting on
his ball. Yeah, that's sad. Yeah, I mean right though,
Now would you have been wrong if you has suplex
that that that empire empower?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
No, I mean you could, you know, if you get
to take care of business man, you know, bad calls man,
literally get here?

Speaker 6 (45:06):
Are you the type of dad that, like, for me,
I can handle. I can handle you screwing my kid once,
like I.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Can handle it like, Okay, that's a bad call or whatever.
You let somebody you know, fallum or whatever, non call.
I could let it go. But if it persists, it's
got there's gotta there's there's gotta be a conversation.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, I don't. I just I don't want to be
that that parent that's gonna do that. I'd rather just
talk to my son and be like, hey, you know,
sometimes things aren't going to go your way and you
gotta move on man, like you can't worry about.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
It, you know. I subscribe to that.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
I like that perseverance and focus and overcome all all
of the odds. But I just think at that age,
at that little league young level age, you know, you
just gotta you gotta, you gotta have a cake for
your kid. Man, I'm sorry. I bet you Petros will

(46:04):
threaten him. Yeah, and I bet you Petros kick him
right in the mouth.

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Speaker 9 (46:19):
Morning, Petros, Morning, Hello the old pe. How's it going.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Hey, if somebody was if there was a referee or
of some sort harassing your kid while they're competing, and
it was clear harassing, yeah, I would call it harassing.
I mean, it probably isn't harassing. Like like, for instance,
there there was a pitch, the pitch was over to
child's head.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
Clearly was over to child's head.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
I just sent it to you, Petros on your phone,
so I know it'd be tough to see while we're
doing the show.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
But just to give you context, imagine if they just
kept calling strikes on your kid. Your kid is taught
to wait for the strike zone and they're giving you
strikes and you're striking out and if you swung out
that that that type of pitch, you're not going to
hit it.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
So the kid is set up, how would you handle that?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Get in the car and leave as soon as possible.

Speaker 9 (47:12):
There is there is no like, There is absolutely zero
winning in fighting with umpires and Little League.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Now, that's a very small kid, let's see here. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 9 (47:29):
That's the worst strike call I've ever seen. And if that,
if that kind of thing persists, I guess you you
go to the guy who runs the league and complain
about the umpire. But there is no winning. Whether you
do sports talk radio or you're an ex All American
football player or any there's no winning in saying anything

(47:54):
to anybody in Little League. One of the great things
about Little League, though, when you do sports talk radio
is if some dad or somebody acts like a jackass,
you go and talk on the radio about that person.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
And humiliates that person when their behavior is called out
because if they hear it they're young, well they will
because the thirst is real too. These people are all
out there thinking that their kid is getting a scholarship
when he's eight years old.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (48:25):
And baseball is the worst, especially in the fluent areas. Yeah,
with white people, it's the worst. And I'll tell you why.
I hate to make it racial, but when you walk
through the door, I tell you, guys this stuff all
the time. If you tell me your kid is the
best football player or basketball player from the area, and

(48:47):
by the time they get to be thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
when they walk in the door, you'd better look the
part to a certain degree. You can't walk in looking
just like a normal white kid and be like, yeah,
I bet that kid's the best football player or basketball player.
God forbid, where they only look normal on a basketball
court with other basketball players, then you better look like

(49:13):
you can do it. Baseball is the one sport where
you might not.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Look like you can do it.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
You could be a normal Like if you stand next
to Mookie Betts, who is one of the great athletes,
he looks kind of like a normal guy, Trey Turner,
Guys like that, you know, David x Stein. We think
about guys throughout our lives who if not that Mookie
Betts is as small as David ex Stein or anything,
but just kind of normal looking guys. Now, Freddie Freeman,

(49:43):
who I've stood next to, or Otani or guys like
that that you see puppy they're huge, like those are
big guys, and the competition in baseball is crazier than
even the other sports.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
People don't realize there's a guy in.

Speaker 9 (49:56):
The Dominican with no shoes and literally a milk carton
for a glove who's one hundred times better than your
white kid. But when you're twelve or eleven, these dads
look at their kid and say, well, he's going to
be like a normal looking kid. But that doesn't mean
he can't be a pro baseball player because look at
all these other pro baseball players. And in an affluent area,

(50:19):
it's something that you can throw money at.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Right.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
You can buy the crazy bats. You can get the bat.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Calibrated, you can shake them to the four hundred dollars
bat for a five.

Speaker 9 (50:31):
Exactly, and you can do the thing where you like
the bat on fire and take a picture of the kid.
You know, just the stupidest stuff that you could ever imagine.
And it's fun, you know, for the kids, and they
have a good time. I don't have a problem with
it unless the dads go crazy and then that burns
out the kids by the time they're thirteen. Normally, the
best players when you're really younger are not even close

(50:54):
to being that when they get older, unless it's some
guy with really super hand eye coordinator. My point is, yes,
it's a it's as clearly a ball.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
But and the.

Speaker 9 (51:06):
Only thing you can do is go on the radio
and make people look stupid if you do something in public,
like I'm in sports and I'm going to use my
sports voice to say something against this umpire who is
obviously a loser adult hanging around with children in the afternoon,
doesn't have a job. Who's getting you know, I mean,
just leave it alone. That would be mine.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
You said a lot there, Petros, Yeah, he said a lot.
I will say this.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
I would say soccer's up there and only for the
interest of like the worldwide. That will cup everything else,
Like it's it's tough.

Speaker 9 (51:40):
That's one of the only sports where like the parents
are like a football is like that too, But football
you expect everybody to act like an idiot because in
a lot of.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Ways it's it's football.

Speaker 9 (51:49):
Yeah, but I've had to explain that to a few
of the parents up here in Palas Verdes, California, when
when the kids are playing football, like, well, you know,
the other parents are like, yes, this is football. These
are not You're not gonna expect the same decorum in football.
But in soccer it's funny because you know there's a
there's etiquette and all this stuff, and the parents are

(52:10):
pretty far from each other, you know, like on one
side of the field and the other, and and they
get riled, like they get up and they screened.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
Yeah, you said baseball, soccer's pretty intense. And I'll say this,
there was a few weeks ago we played in the
tournament and it was one of those deals where like
one of the dads it was had of been the
dad I can't imagine. This was actually just a guy
who didn't have an actual child playing on the field
that I was coaching, that was this amped up. But
he was one of those dudes too where he was
kind of like wearing all the tight you know, kind

(52:40):
of quarter zip up you know, tight pants, probably on TRT,
maybe some peptides as well, but just absolutely like yoked
and wanted to walk out there like he just got
done deadlifting five hundred pounds.

Speaker 9 (52:52):
I'm not saying there's other sports where but.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Every time they'd score, he'd.

Speaker 12 (52:57):
Go, yeah, he sounded like a kool aid man and
I bet yeah, I bet that people on his side
told him that was cool, you.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Know which, I'm like, this has to be the worst
form of humanity there is, I understand this greater atrocity atrocities.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
This has to be close to it. Though, if we're
really being honest about it.

Speaker 9 (53:21):
Uh yeah, I think people lose, you know, and a
lot of people and even some that do. I mean
when you're we grew up competing and probably competing longer
than most people, playing college football and doing stuff like that.
So hopefully when that happens in your life, you have

(53:42):
a certain amount of perspective when it comes to youth sports,
which was what I'm asking for Jonas to have here
on the strikeout. Oh, you want to have perspective and
just kind of, you know, let things go and teach
your kid that, you know, there's always another day to play,
and we can't emotionally make a clown out of ourselves
because something didn't go our way, even though you're a

(54:04):
Knox and this and that. Uh that's fine. But I
think I've noticed a lot of people who have a
lot of respect for who didn't play sports in high
school or or maybe really understand that much about sports,
and when their kids start competing, they they they can't

(54:24):
find the perspective that they could normally find in other
avenues of life because they don't have that experience, and
they end up trying to compete through the kids in
a certain way, as we've seen so much in our lives.
So I think that's where that guttural.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
You know, yeah, it's listen, there's a learning lesson there,
so let's all forgiven.

Speaker 9 (54:53):
I don't like the emphatic strikeout call when the when
the pitch was so bad. There's a lot to unpack there,
but you can't you can't make a public thing out
of it in the moment on the radio show where
you could attack them.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
I'm handle it there, I'm handling it.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Do you feel like maybe there's some mess fence.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
In Oh yeah, after the news of maybe the rivalry
coming back around in four years from now.

Speaker 9 (55:20):
But do you think, uh, you know, I talked about
this yesterday a little bit, and I know I've said
a lot about the USC Notre Dame thing, and I mean,
speaking of perspective, right, I mean you are a pretty
big representative. I mean you introduced the coach when he
got hired for Notre Dame. Obviously, LeVar the same with

(55:44):
Penn State, and I do think I'm not just washing
sack here or scouring balls, but I do think that
you guys both handle yourselves really well when it comes
to criticizing your program, right, I mean, and pretty pretty well.
I mean, you have a pretty good sense of humor

(56:05):
about it.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
You know.

Speaker 9 (56:06):
Obviously Penn State hasn't been able to break through the
Notre Dame or excuse me, the Michigan Ohio State kind
of wall in the Big ten. I think Levar's handled
that well. You can't be on the radio really daily
and not be able to handle it well, I guess.
But Brady, you handle it really well with Notre Dame
and have a good perspective. Obviously you like Notre Dame

(56:30):
and support Notre Dame. But if there's something you don't like,
you say that.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Now. I'm not sure you know. I'm not an x.

Speaker 9 (56:38):
USC Heisman winner or anything like that, so I have
more of a luxury of saying almost exactly and it's
hurt my career probably for decades, but I've always pretty
much said exactly how I feel about whatever's happening, especially
when it comes to my alma mater. And I didn't
pull any punches with this Notre Dame thing because I

(57:00):
found it to be so egregious. And it started with
Lincoln Riley, and I don't think if Lincoln Riley was
the coach at USC it would have ever been brought up.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
He brought it up, and.

Speaker 9 (57:11):
It was in a moment of leadership transfer, even the
president of the university, in a moment of change where
they're moving to the Big ten, and their leadership was
so weak, and no one was able to stand up
and say, no, this is crazy, We're not considering this.
Leave it exactly like it is, which would.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Have been my preference.

Speaker 9 (57:32):
But because that happened, now we have a situation and
I think Notre Dame is to blame here too to
a certain degree, because these are athletic directors. These are
buttoned up people. It's supposed to be buttoned up people
who are in charge of keeping things under wraps and
copeaseetic the fact that both sides are using their media

(57:53):
lap dogs. USC gets Colin Cowherd to run out there
and say Notre Dame came call crawling, gets forty to
come out there and say that USC came crawling back.
Clearly it's because the playoffs are expanding and it's not
as scary for USC to play Notre Dame an It's
just sad. It's sad and embarrassing and a black mark

(58:15):
on both sides that they could not get this done.
And I understand that traditions change, that the sport has
changed in our lifetimes rapidly, and we cover it very closely.
I get that you don't have to tell me that
the TV networks own the rights and they own the
rights to change the sport. I'm part of that. I've

(58:38):
seen it happen. I've been I've been here for a while.
That's fine, all of that stuff can be true. But
this is still a terribly handled situation on both sides.
And yes, I lean more towards Notre Dame being in
the right here. But this Pete Bavakua guy who got

(58:58):
all butt heard about and did a whole giant parade
about how he got upset about the Twitter guy for
for for the acc Like, I mean, how petty is
this guy?

Speaker 6 (59:11):
You know?

Speaker 9 (59:12):
I mean he's the one going back and forth with
with USC. It's embarrassing. It should have never gotten this far,
and I'm glad they're talking about it, because you can't
have a game if you don't talk about it. But
it's still ridiculous, and it's still it's still a terrible
embarrassment for both sides, but more so for USC.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
I think good jobs.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
I mean, do you think that there is Why do
you think all of a sudden they've come back around?

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Is that I told you?

Speaker 9 (59:41):
Because the playoffs are going to expand, and because of
people like me, right or or my ilk. Look, every
time USC tweets anything, fifty or sixty people tweet you
guys are peace, you know what I mean? Like you
got you scared to play? You got are cowards?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Right? I would say it, but.

Speaker 9 (01:00:03):
I don't want to wake everybody up in the control
room right now. I think USC got tired of being
called scared. I think that the backlash was a little
bit more than they expected. And I think an expanding playoff.
I mean, what bothers me so much about it is
nobody at USC who is anything that anybody remembers all

(01:00:27):
the way back to Craig Ferdig Marcus Allen, Anthony Munios,
like any of these people, they're not the same football
legend if they didn't play Notre Dame. And all the
way to people that are carrying the university's water right now,
Matt Liiner, people like that you are who you are

(01:00:51):
because you had the opportunity to play Notre Dame. And
the fact that you'll so easily dismiss that for a
whole future generation thing says a lot about how malleable
these people are when they get called out on maybe
having to lose their access to the university real quick before.

(01:01:11):
USC should be about and always has been about national
championships and Heisman trophies and the bronze medal on that
podium is playing Notre Dame. It's the third most important
thing about USC football. And so it's a true travesty
that this has gone as far as it has.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Those are my feeling, sorry, no, And I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Think we're making the point this week to where when
you have people who are legends of USC coming out
defending the program. My thought on it was, look, I
know that you've got to adapt when it comes to
sports in general, that traditions, you know, some traditions just
aren't the same anymore. It's adapt or die. I get
all that, but there are some traditions that you've got
to protect. You just have to because that's what the

(01:01:54):
sport is built on. And so to think that there's
going to be entire recruiting classes if this doesn't come
back till twenty thirty three earliest, there's going to be
entire recruiting classes that have no idea what this rivalry is,
don't won't know anything about it. And I can say this,
and Patricks, you know this growing up out here. The
USC UCLA rivalry, it's cool. It's not even close to

(01:02:18):
the USC Notre Dame rivalry. Not even close.

Speaker 9 (01:02:21):
I mean, I wouldn't say playing in it, I wouldn't
say that. I'd say it's not the same. It's just
not the same. There's a totally different vibe. There's space
for both of them, and that's what makes USC so great,
or what made USC football so special in town. I
know a lot of stuff has changed, but I agree

(01:02:42):
with you. If you're the athletic director at Notre Dame,
I don't care what else you accomplished. It's a terrible
thing if under your watch the USC rivalry ended for
four years, and the same thing for Notre for USC.
Even more so, I believe for USC because they have

(01:03:02):
more of a responsibility to uphold it because they're the
one that's in a conference and they're the ones that
have to sacrifice. And the whole thing bothers me as you,
guys can tell to no end. But the fact that
USC people would defend this at all is only because
they've been asked to defend it by USC, and if

(01:03:23):
they don't, they're scared that they'll lose their access or
their royal status.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
It feels like a pr campaign. It feels like a
bought behavior on the.

Speaker 9 (01:03:32):
Correct and now we have that on both sides, with
everybody pointing fingers and until they stop doing that, Like, guys,
the only guarantee is that they're not going to play
for the next four years or at least this year.
Like that's the only guarantee. There's no guarantee this is
coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I can see. I honestly understand the arguments for both sides.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Like in today's DA and Asia college football, everyone kind
of says, well, hey, everything's changed, why can't Notre Dame
join a conference? And I've tried to give people the
historical reason as to why.

Speaker 9 (01:04:02):
Why because they don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's why there's there's there's that simple answer.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
There's also somebody will pay you not to be at
a conference and give you your own TV deal. Not
one of these other teams would say no, no, we
want to still be in our conference. It's the dumbest
thing in the world. It's like saying, well, I live
in this giant mansion, but just because everybody else lives
in a tenement, I'm gonna leave the mansion.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Why.

Speaker 9 (01:04:26):
That's who they are. And so they've always been they
have their own TV deal.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
And you're right, and there's other reasons to it, but
but that for the most part plays a role. And look,
we've got a changing landscape where maybe you're gonna see
depend on how these the media rights and it being
pulled together.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
If they're not, how that all handles itself, And it's
just it's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
We got to transition to the Lakers being swept in
four Uh, you don't have to talk about Lebron at
least for the time being, for the foreseeable future, going.

Speaker 9 (01:04:58):
To do all kinds of different stuff to get himself involved.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I was gonna say, how.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
Do you feel to not be been over a barrel,
least for the meantime until you have to talk about
something else.

Speaker 9 (01:05:07):
Being nailed by the King. We do have now a
Lebron watch sounder where it has the nailed by the
King sound and at the end of it goes ah.
You know, it's like a real it's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Look. I think that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:23):
I think the Lakers last year in the summer without
Lebron right took Luka Doncic on a special date to
the Backstreet Boys at the Sphere, which is the equivalent
of like taking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Your girlfriend to Paris.

Speaker 9 (01:05:37):
Right, And what most people believe is in that meeting
they told him one more year with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Lebron and then that's it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:47):
Trust us, and he agreed and signed the extension and
all that, and that's what a lot of people believe happened.
I don't know if that happened or not. I mean,
the future will tell its tail. But I mean, whether
Lebron you think he's spectacular at forty one, or you're
annoyed by him, or you think he's a terrible example

(01:06:08):
for the professional sports maybe like I do. Either way,
the Lakers can't really compete with him on the roster.
He cost fifty million bucks. He doesn't take discounts, he can't.
It just doesn't work. We've seen it for years and
it just doesn't work. I'm glad that they beat Houston

(01:06:28):
and that there was a media campaign to talk about
how great he was because they beat Houston and they
got something out of that. But I do think it's
over unless he takes some kind of discount. But I
don't think Luka Doncitz would go for that. I think
everybody is over it and they need to find a
way to save face and get him to move on.

(01:06:50):
But it'll be very awkward in a very interesting summer.
But my guess is that somewhere in between, you know,
I never want to hear you say, somewhere in there,
they told Luca that he's not going to have to
deal with Lebron past twenty twenty.

Speaker 13 (01:07:08):
Six, Get him on X the old Get that Way,
Petros Money Show.

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
I never felt I've never felt gayer. And we were
walking warming up at Washington State and Pull and Pullman
on Martin at Martin Stadium, and they were playing backstreets back,
back streets back, all right, And I know I just
remember like dancing around you know, doing warm ups and
I was like, oh my god, I'm dancing to the

(01:07:44):
Backstreet boys? Am I gay?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Already? Greek?

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
That's right? You have a statue up next?

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Did they did?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
They say you guys invented sex.

Speaker 9 (01:07:56):
Right, We're just the first to write down sodomy. Just
because of our literacy, we get tagged when well, it's
not always great to be the smartest guys out there, you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Know, as at the old p the cause of the
Petros and money showing a five to seventy LA sports
Fox College Football analyst Petros always follow We'll do it
again next week.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
The picture's a little high.

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