The Best Of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe

On this episode of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Jonas Knox & LaVar Arrington go over Kevin O'Connell updating his QB competition and what a full year of a healthy starter could look like for the team. Plus, the guys break down the report that the Browns may not trade Shedeur Sanders, we chat with Albert Breer, and more!!

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Brady Quinn, we like to call the show black and Drack.
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Speaker 5 (01:39):
Because you do.

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Speaker 3 (01:55):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Why wouldn't you be about I'm literally down to like
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Speaker 4 (02:07):
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Anybody that steps out of line gets it and then

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starts complaining after the fact about why they can't see
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Speaker 5 (02:47):
Talked about the continent versus the country, by the way,
and listen, every once in a while, I had brain
farts like it's okay, Like it's okay. I think it's
so funny. You must really be like we must really
be intelligent beings because the moment you make a mistake

(03:10):
on something, people jump all in. This is the second
time he said it. Okay, so what I get it? Like,
I haven't been in school for a long time, by
the way, And for what it's worth, nothing I do
has anything to do with continents and countries and cities

(03:33):
and states. Nothing. Just so y'all know. So if I
have a blunder, if I have a mess up, a
slip up, a weak moment where I'm not perfect, sorry,
so sorry, yeah that I couldn't be perfect for your
perfect asses, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
And listen, you know, with some of the things that
we've learned over in recent years about the stuff we
learned in school kids, we're not even sure if that
globe we were.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Looking at was round us.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean, I'm just telling you, based on some of
the video evidence and things that.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
We've seen, we don't know a lot about Antarctica.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
There's just there's a lot going on there. I'm just
telling you, so we're not we're not quite sure well everything.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
That I'm not going with you down that trail. All
I'm saying is to to all of the I got inboxed.
I see it on on post, like if the one
thing that you're pulling from the show that we do
for three hours is the two times that I said,
how do we have so many African teams in and

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and only one United States team? And Okay, okay, the
United States is the country. I got it. I got it,
and and and it's in the North American continent, which
means that there are more teams from North America. Okay,
I got it. Okay, I got it. Can we move

(05:04):
on from it, because because for real, for real, whether
I got it right or not doesn't dictate my IQ level.
It really doesn't. I mean I didn't get it. All
that says is I'm not good at geography. Okay, I
know what geography is. If you asked me to name
all our states, I wouldn't be able to do it.

(05:28):
So it is what it is. I just tell you
straight out if you asked me. I was with my boy.
I was with ap Antonio Pierce the other other week
and we were talking to his son and somebody asked
him because we were looking at the stars outside, and
somebody was like, y'all, can you name the all of
the planets? And I was like hell no. And then

(05:52):
they had the nerve to say, can you name the
planet's closest to furthest away? And I guess there's some
word that you spell or some saying that you use.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Oh yeah, I forget it.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Your mama said something. Mama said, knock you out or something.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's like it's like the colors of the rainbow ROYGBIV,
like it's there, you go.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
There's stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
There.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
You put an acronym to it so it makes it easier.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
And you know what, I don't care, hey, listen, I
tuned out so quick when they said the planets, I
was done. And then they said in order. I was like, no,
hell no. And you're not going to judge my intelligence
level by little like feeble things like that. You're not
so there. You have it. Take them apples and eat

(06:39):
them bitches. All right. I will not be getting harassed
over me messing up continent over over country like I
got it. Now, we're clear on it. That's all right,
moving on. I do know this well, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Trained to push past the pain.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
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you do know, and here's what you have experienced. Quarterback

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competitions and potential controversies, all right now, I don't even
want to know the number of quarterbacks that you saw
run through Washington at one point. I remember you telling
the story.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Them too.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
I remember the I remember the kickers, the the detailed
list of kickers they came through in one year because
they kept missing kicks, and so there somebody was out.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Eddie Murray, I love Eddie Murray.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I love Eddie Murray.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Good dude, is he still alive? He was?

Speaker 6 (07:54):
He was?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
He a barefooted kicker too, There's a.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Few of those. He was an old school kicker, bro,
he was old back then. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, there was a few barefooted kickers back in the day.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Eddie Murray from the CFL still going strong, sixty nine
years old.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
My gosh, yeah, sixteen, I played with a guy who's
sixty nine years old. Geez yeah. All right, Well there
you go. What are we getting at here, because much
like continents and planets, I don't remember much about that time. Well,
I can't give you much on that.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I do think it's pertinent because we've got a coach
who's currently going through something similar where he's had a
lot of different quarterbacks run through the building, and when
he's had somebody there, things have gone well. And by somebody,
I mean they did Washington, Yeah, and by somebody that's
there the entire season. So I bring that up because

(08:51):
Kevin O'Connell and our friends listening on the Yalla Horn
of the Twin Cities, kfan, you know this all too
well that this has been a storyline. People have fallen,
This will continue to be a storyline until they make
a decision which I think we all believe is going
to be Kyler Murray. But Kevin O'Connell spoke with The
Dan Patrick Show yesterday talking to DP about the situation

(09:13):
at quarterback for the Vikes.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
When it comes to this upcoming.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
Year, Kyler has come in and done a great job.
JJ I think has benefited from it. He had a
really good spring. Carson Wentz is this veteran quarterback in
the room that as a guy who's played seven or
eight quarterbacks in four years. The two years we had
our starter, you know, play the whole season, we won
thirteen and fourteen games. So we want to try to

(09:36):
get back to the standard of having the quarterback position
be a driving force behind us winning by doing their job,
by hopefully getting activating the great players they get to
play with. We got a great defense, Brian Flores has
done an unbelievable job. If we can limit giving the
football away and generate some explosives and get a run
game going, which is although no one's really talking about that.

(09:58):
That has been a major emphas of this offseason, both
from a coaching staff standpoint and a player a player
development an offensive development standpoint. I'm excited about where we're at,
but we won't really know until we, you know, go
start calcifying forging our team together that we're going to
compete in the NFC North. It's very very competitive division.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
So here's what I was thinking about, because he makes
the point that, you know, when we had a start
of the entire year, he won thirteen and fourteen games,
and he's obviously referring to Kirk Cousins and then Sam Darnold.
And if you remember, there was a discussion about whether
or not kirk Cousins was going to be brought back. Obviously,
he had the injury the year afterwards and so that

(10:43):
sort of threw everything off. But there was a discussion
about whether or not Kirk Cousins was going to come back.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
At least publicly was campaigning for kirk Cousins to come back.
And then he's not brought back. Okay, So they go
to the draft, and then they get to the draft
and he wants Drake May. They don't get Drake May,
they go JJ McCarthy. Jj McCarthy gets injured, he puts
in Sam Donald. Sam Donald has a great year. He

(11:14):
wants him back, they don't bring him back. And I
look at this and I go, how many times is
Kevin O'Connell in a situation with this team where the
guy that he's supposed to guide, supposed to steer and
let be the quarterback of this team? How many times
does he have to sit there and watch when the

(11:36):
organization makes a decision to move on from somebody or
go in a different direction, which is what I think
led to Quasia Dolfa Mensa losing his job. How many
times does that have to happen before Kevin O'Connell says,
you know, maybe there was that window, there was that opportunity,
but we passed it on too many times for us
to just guarantee that that's going to happen again. Because look,

(11:59):
we've talked about it. Kyler Murray's had injury concerns. So
if Kevin O'Connell's looking at hey, listen, you know, I
want somebody that's going to be there the entire year,
because when we did have that guy, it was thirteen
and fourteen wins each season. Well, Kyler Murray's had injury concerns.
We know the story about JJ McCarthy, so basically comes
down to if it doesn't work with Kyler Murray, if

(12:20):
something pops up, you've basically spoiled a window of opportunity
with Kevin O'Connell as your coach to be able to
make a run and compete for a super Bowl because
multiple times over you went in another direction as opposed
to what the head coach wanted.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Last year was a twenty five to twenty sixth season, right, yeah,
you know where the vikings ranked an explosive plays. Uh No,
I can't imagine hi twenty second twenty second and explosive plays.

(13:00):
It was a down year for Justin Jefferson, A frustrating
year for Justin Jefferson. JJ McCarthy just did not have
the type of season that would give you confidence that
he can be the guy for this team. And after

(13:22):
going through Kirk Cousins and having success with him but
not quite getting it done, then you have the same
thing happen with Sam Darnold. Some way, somehow he finds
a way to have success. I feel like there was
a third quarterback too. To be honest, I don't think
that there might have been another one outside of JJ
McCarthy that had success while they were there as well

(13:45):
and then left for somewhere else. I feel like there
was another one, but I could be off. Nonetheless, it's
not JJ McCarthy that is on the list of positive
contributors as a starter at that position for this team.
And while you I'll say this, I'll give the players

(14:09):
a ton of credit because how much have you heard
players say anything about JJ McCarthy. Even when they were
interviewing j Justin Jefferson in his frustrations of the year
and how it was going for him, he never said
anything that was really disparaging about him, and he really could.

(14:38):
I mean, he broke a thousand yards last year, but
it was Nonetheless, it was still his lowest output as
a pro, you know, since twenty twenty three, and it
wasn't you know, it wasn't too far off. But last
year was a pretty down to t His longest was fifty,

(15:02):
his average was twelve yards. That was the low. That
was a low for his career, twelve yard average, twelve
point five yard average out of his entire career. The
only and it must have been it had to have
been an injury in twenty twenty three. It had to
be injuries because he had sixty eight receptions in twenty

(15:26):
three versus eighty four and twenty five, which is less.
So I'm assuming that he might have been injured in
twenty three, but eighty four catches for Justin Jefferson in
comparison to twenty twenty two. Yeah, he only had his
best year.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
He only appeared in ten games in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, so until a thousand still a thousand yard receiver.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
There you go. Right, So think about that he was
injured and still put up those type of numbers and
yet played a season and only had eighty four receptions
for one thousand yards one thousand and forty eight yards
and two tds. That just can't happen if you're gonna
be the year that they did really really well with

(16:12):
Sam Darnold. You know what, his stat line was one
hundred and three receptions and fifteen hundred and thirty three
yards fourteen yard average, which is right where it's on
par with him at fifteen fifteen yards an average, and
he had ten touchdowns. Ten. You gotta have your horses

(16:36):
be your horses if you put them in the stable
and they're only getting two touchdowns if you put them
in the stable and they're barely breaking one thousand yards
and you're ranking in the twenties twenty two with your
explosive plays. You're not going in the right direction. And

(16:57):
for the team to kind of I'm not gonna say
they rallied around them or stood by them, but they
certainly didn't give any indications that they weren't. And so
give Minnesota, give O'Connell credit for keeping matters internally, because
we see these days, even with spouses, you can go

(17:17):
to social media and you can ether people these days
with no conscience. That's just how things are these days.
So they're in a position now where they're confident that
Kyler Murray can probably. I mean, if you think about it,
if you had your drothers and you could choose between

(17:37):
the three Kyler Murray, Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold, who
would you take. I mean, if you could retrospectively or
retroactively go back and take three quarterbacks. One of those three,
which one would you take.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
At the height of his powers? I would have taken Kyler.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Murray, of course you would ever, But.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
I just I look at it and I go, you, like,
multiple times they had something that worked like this, the
kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I could understand. There was the age he was coming
off the injury.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
You know, he wanted to Like I can kind of
understand that, but I remember Kevin O'Connell not being thrilled
with that. And then Sam Donald worked and we could say,
all right, well yeah, but the final game of the
year he struggled, and then he struggled in the playoff game.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, I'm sure that wasn't all on him.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I know he didn't play well, but like, I don't
know that we look at that and say, well, everybody
on the Vikings played well. If it wasn't for you know,
Sam Donald, that would have won those games.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
I just I look at it.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I go if you were to ask Kevin O'Connell in
real time, like, hey, man, do you want Sam Donald?

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Would you prefer?

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Because I remember we had this conversation with Prisco last
year and you and I were like, hey, Pete, would
you signed Sam Donald long term and then trade away
JJ McCarthy like based on it worked so well. The
guys loved Sam donal Arnold, you saw what the peak
was with him, and they were a really good team
and there was a real discussion about that, and it

(19:06):
was almost as if no, no, no, you got to
trust JJ McCarthy. You got to trust that this is
going to work. And we're now in year three for
McCarthy and I don't know, man, I know that there's
been injuries, but I just don't think he's ever going
to see the field. So you basically turned away from
something that worked for somebody that ultimately is not going
to see the field if things work out with Kyler Murray.

(19:27):
It's just it's kind of a weird and I just
wonder if you've spoiled a window of opportunity for a
guy like Kevin O'Connell, which people think Kylie of, and
a guy like you pointed out Justin Jefferson, who's the
best wide receiver in the NFL and still putting up
numbers through injuries and seventy five quarterbacks he's got to
play with.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out this
year because Kyler Murray's potential is through the roof and
Arizona gave up on him, so you have a motivated
potentially Kyler Murray when a team gives up on you
and you have a new beginning, a new start, which

(20:10):
I don't. I've never lived in Minnesota, so I don't.
I don't know what that living situation is like. And
I don't know what his leisure time leads him to
do and what he's got going on a video. I
know the love Boat took place in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
You ever heard of you ever heard of a juicy lucy?
Are you familiar with those?

Speaker 4 (20:32):
No, it's a it's a hamburger patty filled with cheese,
so like it's inside the meat.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, is cheese.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Yeah? That sounds disgusting. So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's like that's a big thing out there. I've never
had it, but I heard it.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
It sounds disgusting to me. But if they've done well,
because we could say yuck, lorrain up. But if you
got a smash burger, most smash burgers come in doubles
and triples, yeah, and crispy, they're so amazing. But you
could almost say that they're inside of the burger patty

(21:04):
in a way because they're stacked up so so interestingly.
But I digress. That's the fat boy that came out
of me. Yeah. Well anyway, okay, So the point, the
point that I'm making is it is a change of
scenery and leaving Arizona for Minnesota, some would say might

(21:31):
be a downgrade in some ways, is what I would dare.
I would dare to say, I don't know that to
be factual because I've never really hung out in Minnesota,
but I have hung out in Arizona, and I would
just say I have hung out in Arizona many of
times versus never really hanging out in Minnesota at all.

(21:55):
So anyway, but we'll see, we will see how because
Kyler Murray is one of those guys that has superpowers
and I know we got to go, but he's one
of those guys that has superpowers and if he can
find that magic and just stay healthy, it's just all

(22:16):
about him staying healthy. This could be one of the
more exciting offenses in the National Football League with Kyler Murray.
That's what the potential is here. Yeah, I would agree.
And you know you mentioned Arizona, you mentioned Minnesota. I mean, yeah,
to your point, man, I mean we remember the smash
Burger in Arizona and then you got the Juicy Lucy

(22:37):
in Minnesota. So yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
It's it's what your uh, it's what your your appetite
for are you into a smash or into a juicy
lucy And so we're gonna find out from Kyler Murray
whether or not you know he prefers the latter. Coming
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mention at the start of the show, which is unfortunate
because obviously a different sounding show. It's black and drack
here on a Friday. But just because it's just because
it's black and drag doesn't mean that it's not.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Still football Friday. Come on sticks.

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Fridaydaydaydayt's do it Friday. You gotta do it.

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Priday night is a football Friday, Football Briday.

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Well, you can you could feel this here on a
football Friday, on this three hour extravaganza that.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Apparently there's been some rumblings.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Apparently there's been some stuff out there, which doesn't really
make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.
But James Palmer of Bleacher Report talked about some of
the rumors circling about whether or not the Browns would
entertain the idea of trading Schadoor Sanders this offseason.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 10 (26:43):
My understanding is they don't have any intention on trading
Shadoor Sanders. I think both these quarterbacks are most likely
going to be on the Browns roster come the start
of the season, and they both could be on the
roster for the duration of the season. He is a
player that they're seeing improve, that they have under control
for the next several years and don't have a heavy
financial commitment into. He has not caused any problems behind

(27:06):
the scenes in the building that would force them to
part ways with them by any stretch. So I just
think any rumors that are out there of the Browns
wanting to move on from Shadoor Sanders, I think they've
enjoyed the process right now in the spring, and they're
watching a developmental prospect to do exactly that, and that
is develop and why wouldn't you want that development to
continue in your building when you have him for the.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Next several years.

Speaker 10 (27:28):
So right now, I don't see anyway that the Browns
are going to trade Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Why the hell would the Browns trade Shudor Sanders, Why
would they trade anybody. They're not in a position to
do anything except bring in quarterbacks because as we've seen
over the past few years, since Deshaun Watson's got there,
you just don't know who to depend on, Like you're
not really sure how to count on the idea that
they would move off of Shador.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
And look, I'm a believer.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I think Deshaun Watson's going to get the opportunity, uh,
based on the contract, based on where he's at in
his career.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I think the Browns are going.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
To try and get as much out of him as
they as they possibly can at this point. If he falters,
I can see them moving to Shador. This idea, And
I don't know who came up with this crap, this
idea you're gonna trade Shador Sanders? Why what do you
How many times have we talked about, Hey, the Browns
signed so and so Joe Flacco, Dorian Thompson, Robinson, Dylan

(28:27):
Gabriel Schadoor, Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Do all those things though, Okay, you mentioned that you
threw that you took the answer with your last name.
They went through all of those names. Because Deshaun Watson
hasn't been able to get on the field and stay
on it. Yeah, this is his final year of his contract,
and it has been a tumultuous miss misstep, tremendously large

(28:54):
misstep by the Cleveland Browns. There's two factors here that
I say with just if I the idea of entertaining
trade well maybe three even to entertaining trading Shador Sanders. One,
you you have an opportunity for Deshaun Watson to actually

(29:18):
give you one good year, and why not make it
your last one? Why not make it your last one?
All right? If he's in there the moment, like Deshaun
Watson is going, if he has the chance to be good,
there's going to have to be game. Rust that's knocked

(29:39):
off of his body. It just that's just how it works.
He's been out too long. The moment he makes a
bad throw or something, he doesn't make a good decision
on or whatever it may be. What is everybody going
to do, Jonas, what are they going to do? Put
in Shador of course, Chador, shadeor Shador. Everybody gonna be

(30:01):
saying perfect time and putting it rist up in there,
all kinds of stuff. The dude, I mean, look at
his jersey sales. He's a super polarizing popular guy. Second reason, though,
here's the second reason. Have we forgotten the fact that

(30:22):
there was a guy that had a more successful college
career and was drafted higher third round in the same
exact draft that Shador Sanders was taken in. How is
Dylan Gabriel's name not even mentioned in the idea of

(30:48):
being a legitimate backup to Deshaun Watson. There's the possibility.
There's the possibility that's some would think that I'd rather
take a chance on trading Shador Sanders at the highest
And this isn't me, That's just an opinion of what

(31:12):
people could potentially be thinking. I might as well trade
him at the highest value that I could possibly get
for a fifth round quarterback that played for our team
and had to start because our team needed a starter

(31:33):
last season. Now, I would deal with the outrage of
trading him and getting the value back, knowing that there's
probably not a great deal of confidence at this point
because Shador was the starter, so he did beat out

(31:54):
Dylan Gabriel for those who will want to throw that
out there, but there is the ia that Cleveland does
not believe that they can win with Shador or Dylan
Gabriel after what they experienced and witnessed last year. Yeah,
so I'll take the outrage of the fans right now

(32:15):
with a trade with the hopes, with the hopes that
Deshaun Watson can carry us through one good year. Give
me one good year with your money's stealing, grabbing, stiff
tie lass. Give me one good year, you son of them,
you know what I mean? Give me one good year

(32:37):
to have you get that one good year, and then
you move on. What are you moving on to? Are
you moving on to Shador Sanders? Are you moving on
to Dylan Gabriel. No, You're most likely going to end
up being in position to draft one of these quarterbacks

(33:00):
that everybody is glogging over right now for for next
year's quarterback draft class, which leads to the third point,
which kind of dovetails off of fans being just be
mad at us now with this trade versus us getting

(33:20):
a quarterback in the draft. That's the third. One third
is we're planning on drafting a quarterback anyway, right, So
let's get rid of the what could perceivably be a distraction,
a roadblock, point of resistance, a fan turn off. If
we wait and we actually have shah Door Sanders on

(33:45):
our roster, we have Dylan Gabriel on on a roster,
and we go and use a top draft pick to
get a quarterback and bring him in. It just it
just mightn't it just my be sensible for somebody that's
in those those offices to say it might be best

(34:07):
to cut bait with him before we get into this
season and give Deshaun Watson this season and we have
a third round draft pick to be a backup. Maybe
he's not as good as Shador at this point. Maybe
Shador has proven he's better than Dylan Gabriel. But for
what is worth, did Dylan Gabriel really get a fair
opportunity as a starter or as a third round draft

(34:30):
pick now? So may just maybe maybe you add a
fourth reason and you say we're giving Dylan Gabriel an
opportunity to develop as as a quarterback on this roster
as well, maybe his value, maybe the way he plays
goes up if you don't have Shador Sanders around with
his big presence and and the big name that that

(34:55):
kind of it's him, it's his show. So it's not
my opinion at this point. I think you should put
Shador in. Shador should be the starter for the Cleveland Browns.
Case closed if you ask me. But if you're going
to go in the direction to Deshaun Watson Jonas, then

(35:17):
not to me puts on the table that you don't
believe in Shadoor as your starter because you're starting Deshaun Watson.
And you could say it's money if you want to.
It's not the money. He hasn't played for you yet anyway,
So there's something more to it than just the money
if Deshaun Watson starts.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
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who mentioned this when we talked to him a few
weeks ago and the subject got brought up, Hey, what

(35:59):
do you think they do, because there's been these varying
reports where it's Mary Kay Cavitt or somebody in Cleveland.
It's like, oh, it looks like Deshaun's got the you know,
the lead in the quarterback competition, but the gap is
closing and this, and it's like, all right, well, you
could do that for every quarterback competition storyline that we've
seen over the past number of years. All the terminology
used the gap is closing. Uh, it's you know, this

(36:22):
guy's got the advantage there, there's a there's a leader in.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
The clubhouse right now, all of that stuff that's come out.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I believe that from a money standpoint, they are going
to go.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
It's like, all.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Things being equal, I think they're gonna go with DeShawn
early on because I think if you pull him in
favor of Shador, that's a lot easier to swallow than
it would be. So you're pulling Shador to go to
Deshaun now, like it just it feels like it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Imagine what you would be doing if you're putting the
Shawn Watson in to fit, like to try to fill
what's going on with Shador not playing. Well, how bet
would Shador have to be playing? How bet would this
team have to be doing? Oh, that's for you to
do that.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
And that's the thing, like, if you if you go
the direction of Shador as your starter, I don't think
you pull him at all.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
You let him. You find out.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
What you have in Shador this entire year and that
and that's the way you go.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
That's why you.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Try to figure it out with with with Dylan Gabriel
and see what you have in Dylan Gabriel before you
get to the end of the disease.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
I think the leash is shorter with Deshaun than it
is with Shador.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
If they're holding his choker.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Well, okay, so I mean, listen, choker, you know, whatever
whatever else they used in pull fiction. That's fine, Listen.
I'm just saying saying, if you go to Shador early on,
you let him run at the entire year. And if
that's the case, then that's then that's the case. I
just this idea. But and I just want to say

(37:57):
this this idea, this idea that anybody's talking about. Oh well,
maybe they would just trade Shador this offseason. No, they're not.
They're not in a position to treat What have you
seen from Deshaun Watson that makes you believe, hey, yeah,
we can we can move on from Shador? You can't.
You brought in Joe Flacco multiple times. So let's like,

(38:20):
Deshaun Watson has not given you the confidence that you
can ride him and just move off of anybody At
this point, I don't care who the quarterback is in
that room. So James Palmer talking about these reports out
with a trade Shador Sanders, No, because you'd have to
have something that you could depend on, and they haven't
been able to depend on Deshaun Watson since he's gotten there.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Okay, fourteen hundred yards seventds, ten interceptions, a sixty eight
point one QB rating, fifty six point six completion percentage.
Is that a stat line that blows you away.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
That would get you a statue outside Soldier Field. Let
me just tell you that right now?

Speaker 5 (39:05):
What it really No?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Of course not?

Speaker 5 (39:09):
All right, Well, let's do a comparison. Remember that fourteen
hundred yards, ten interceptions, seven tds. Let's let's go to
let's go to your boy, your boy Iceman. All right,
let's look at Caleb Williams. Let's look at his stats
from last year, so twenty twenty five, Well, he's fifty

(39:31):
eight percent. He's just like, he's kind of like Shador.
Oh yeah, three thousand, nine hundred and forty two yards.
How many tds did I say for Shador seven? Seven? Yeah,
put twenty more on top of that, and three less
interceptions with a quarterback rating of ninety. Now that's a

(39:56):
number one overall draft pick. That's a Heisman Trophy winner,
and that's a franchise quarterback of the National Football League,
and his second is sophomore season in the league, which,
by the way, he threw for over three thousand, five
hundred yards his rookie year and had twenty tds and

(40:17):
six inners less interceptions. Now a quarterback rating, but nonetheless
the statistics were still there to justify saying that this
is your guy. Now, imagine, imagine if you had a
guy you paid all this money and you didn't get

(40:39):
what you want out of them, but you draft Caleb Williams.
You drive Caleb Williams. I don't care if you draft
him in the first round, third round, fifth round. But
just imagine that kid wins the starting job and starts
for the season, the duration of it his rookie year,

(41:01):
and now the guy, the other guy comes back that
you paid, that hasn't given you anything, is going to start.
This to me is, yes, it's about the money. The
pressure is to try to get some type of an
ROI back on your investment. But this has just as

(41:24):
much to do with the lack of talent that's behind
Deshaun Watson. Because if he was an undeniable talent and
a franchised, deemed quarterback, they would not take him out
of his starting job. Would you think that they would
take Caleb Williams out of his starting job? But now

(41:46):
somebody was getting paid a lot of money and now
they're returning for their last season.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
No.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
And I also think the fact that there's a quarterback competition,
a legitimate quarterback competition, between a guy you gave that
much money to and a guy you drafted in the
fifth round.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Man put the evidence on the table.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
That's that's why as an order to take as as
an organization, you look at it and you go dude,
we need as many bodies in here as we can
get so we can try and figure this thing out.
And the best part is, as and you mentioned this earlier,
they're just going to draft somebody next year anyway.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Anyway, So get over it, because it ain't going to
be none of them. The book is out the verdict now,
then it ain't going to be none of them.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
If you had to root for one or the other
to be the starter in Cleveland, team okay. Well I'm
team DeShawn, all right, And that's okay, And that's that
is true.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
I got something common.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
And let me tell you something.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I walked by a shady storefront and there's a neon
foot in the window.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I'm in, all right, I am in.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
No, you're not. You rub yourself. That's the only difference
between y'all two. He goes and gets his rub, You
do it yourself. You can't get in trouble. The smartest
thing you ever figured out is you can't get in
trouble with yourself. What do you Deshaun Watson didn't figure
out that concept. Like if I just rub myself, I
don't got to worry about no repercussion.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
A second sequence, So I'm more Winslow than Watson.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 5 (43:18):
No, neither one of you can come close to that
too soon. He was Cleveland Brown too, of course he was.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
It's a company you keep hope you're happy, Brady, but
so But I look at it.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I guess soldier, soldier. I hoped you was.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yeah, you were.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
He was a soldier in the field.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, you're a ball soldier, I'll say. I'll say this soldier.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I'm hoping that Deshaun Watson plays well because I want
to have the uncomfortable conversation at the end of this
year of damn it, we got a franchise tag him,
because if he's already made the money he's made for
the amount of time that he's played, if he goes
out and plays really good football this year, what do

(44:10):
the Browns do?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Like?

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Then?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
What do you do?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Like?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Like, are you gonna turn your back.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
That that becomes a very very complicated question.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
That's what I want.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
I can't. Yeah, I mean, well, it would be everything
you want out of it if he were to play well,
because now it's like, huh, he came back, he played well.
He's far enough removed from like if you ask people
about Deshaun Watson, some people might tell you, I don't
even know who he is. Yeah, that's how recent the

(44:43):
effect this this culture in society is. At this point,
they might not even know who Deshaun Watson is.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And so.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
He's far enough removed from all of the off field
stuff where he could actually have a productive career without
the blowback and the outrage and the spotlight and microscope
on him in terms of everything he does. This might

(45:12):
be the best opportunity for Deshaun Watson to have an
amazing football.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Look at Roethlisberger. How many people bring up that stuff.
I mean, look, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's but you know
what though, I mean I just said, we're still waiting
on that investigation to get finished.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
So and you're gonna still be waiting. You're gonna be
waiting a long time, my guy. You that wait is
going to be long. I'll tell you it's gonna be
a long wait anyway. I I if Deshaun Watson starts
that they have no faith in and and shaudor at
this point, that's what it is to me. It's outside

(45:54):
of the money. You don't take a guy out that's
your guy. If he's the starter just because a guy
came back after how many years being removed? Three years?
How long has it been since he's really played two yeah,
yeah to at least change yeah. Man, Then there was
all the other injuries that took place. I'm not I

(46:16):
just that just says a lot about their position. If
Deshaun Watson comes in and starts and Shador Sanders does it.

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Speaker 5 (47:13):
I mean, how does he get his song playing when
he's not on? He changes our songs all the time.
Pretty disrespectful if you ask me, I don't understand how
he gets his song played with you man here, I mean,
play one of ours.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I'm with you, tike.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
And by the way, if he thinks I'm paying a
dime of that fine with some of the stuff that's
gone on recently, he can kiss my ass.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
How about he gets a show fine, He gets a
show fine. His fine is an intro. His fine is
out of show.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Yeah, every time he misses, he gets a fine. That's
a fine.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Uh, we finded yo ass?

Speaker 5 (47:53):
You finding your ass? Miss mister judge.

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Speaker 3 (48:51):
A be good morning.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
But I'm sorry that I uh, sorry for the miscommunication yesterday.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
Throw anybody off. I was we were away.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
We're back now. I mean we heard you was packing
up the mansion, the vacation mansion is It's all good man.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
That's right. Did you guys hear who I ran into
on the aisle?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
We did tell us the story.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
Yeah, so I ran into So I had run into
a j Hawk at at who, as you guys know,
is Brady's brother in law.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Right, So.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
I ran into him at like the fourth of July
water fight out there on main Street, Nantucky. And then
later that night I ran to a j again, and
this older man who's very enthusiastic comes over to me
and says, what's that name again? And I said Albert

(49:48):
and very enthusiastically gave me, gives me a firm handshake,
and uh yeah, says dam I'm glad to meet you,
and was the nicest guy in the world and identified
himself as Brady's father. So yeah, so Chopper, after all

(50:09):
the crap that I took and I've taken up from
Brady over the last few years on vacation in Nantucket,
who do I run into on Nantucket? But Brady plans,
oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
About that.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
After all? And then you know what, I said this
to Brady, I'm like, my one regret. My one regret
was that I didn't have the presence of mind because
Chopper came in hot, right, So Chopper, he came in hot,
and like I didn't, I just didn't have like the
wherewithal to react fast enough. But if I had to
do it all over again, I would have gotten a

(50:47):
picture with choppers pinkies up and sent it to Brady.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
That's that's well played.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
And look yeah he told us, he's like, yeah, he's
all he ran into my family up nantuckets.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
We were wondering what the story was there so or
what the aftermath of it was. Oh yeah, I mean yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Like Frandy's dad was super nice, like like seems like
a seems like an awesome guy. Yeah he's gone, but yeah,
but yeah, but yeah, the pinkies in the air saying
that was a missed opportunity.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
To be for sure.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Now I have to ask you this because we open
up the show talking about this, and I know this
has been a storyline that's gone on the entire offseason
when it comes to the Vikings quarterback situation.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
And what they're going to do. And Kevin O'Connell was
talking with Dan.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Patrick and he pointed out that, you know, when we
had one guy in the job and one guy in
the role for an entire season, we won thirteen and
fourteen games. And my thought on it and maybe you
would know a little bit of the backstory better than me, Ab,
But I look at it and I go, it seemed
to me like he wanted to keep Kirk cousins if possible,

(51:56):
and they moved on from him. It seemed to me
like he really enjoyed coaching Sam Darnold and was a
fan of that, and they moved on from him. And
then it seems to me like, and you told us
this that Drake may was really the guy that he
was that he really liked.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Coming out of that draft class. And I just wonder.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Have the Vikings gone against the wishes of Kevin O'Connell
that many times? And is maybe that sort of what
led to the decision to move on from Quasia Dopamnza.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
I mean, I think like the quarterback thing has been
complicated for them because, you know, you have Kirk who's
coming to coming closer to the end of his career
and the fact that he's had all these guaranteed contracts
and then he can't franchise him because of the way
this contract structured, right, Like, I honestly think if Kirk

(52:47):
had to do again, he probably would have gone back
and side with the Vikings too. You know, there's probably
some regret on that end. But I don't think they
were running Kirk Cousins off. It was just like we
have to have some financial restraint with the player that age.
And then you know, like okay, like now we're into

(53:07):
the wilderness with everyone else that's looking for a quarterback
and it's hard to be in that spot. And so
you know, they take the shot on Sam Donald on
a one year deal, and then they invest a first
round pick in JJ McCarthy. And interesting because if like
you don't invest that first rounte pick in JJ McCarthy,

(53:28):
you probably do go the extra mile to resign Sam Donald, right,
But because you spent that first round pick on JJ McCarthy,
Sam Donald is looking at it the following off season
and he's saying, well, even if I take their deal,
like the minute that something goes the wrong way, they're

(53:51):
going to turn to JJ because that's the guy they're
truly invested in. Right, So, like that's complicated, and they
tried to bring Daniel Jones back, and Daniel Jones it
was the same thing, you know, Like so that's just
the impact that spending a top half of the first
round pick our quarterback had, is that like with Sam Darnold,

(54:11):
it was like, well, no, I'm not going to go
back there, because if I have a great year in Minnesota,
they still might go to JJ. If I have a
great year in Seattle, They're gonna stick with me and
I can be their long term starter. And it was
the same thing they pivoted. They tried to bring back
Daniel Jones, same thing. So you know, I just think
like the success and failure of JJ McCarthy, like when

(54:34):
you spend a take that high quarterback, it has like
this cascading effect on everything at the position that you
do from that point forward. And I think that's sort
of where they are now. And you know, we'll see
how it turns out whether or not. I mean, JJ
is gonna have another shot to go and win the job.
The difference is now is that, like, you know, he's

(54:55):
sort of as I've said to you guys in the
recent pass off scholarship speak and so you know, it's
it's him versus Kyler and what the best man win.
But you know, I think all of this gets complicated
by the Kurt situation, to be the contractual situation with
her in the first place, then and then and then
spending a high first round pick on a quarterback, which

(55:16):
kind of takes away from me the flexibility of a position.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
All right, let's apply this same conversation to Cleveland. Abe.
It seems as though there's a real possibility that Deshaun
Watson will start this year. That says to me, There's
two things that it says to me. One, yeah, is
that obviously you gotta you gotta try to get a

(55:40):
return on your investments somewhere. There's no way you could
possibly do it, but if you could get one year
out of it, okay. But two, it ultimately says to me,
if you're taking a starter, a starter with the reputation
and the lore that Shador Sanders has, and he's actually

(56:01):
facing the potential of not starting, you cannot solely place
the money on the fact that Shador Sanders isn't coming
back as your starter. That has to be a red
flag and an indicator that you don't feel confident enough
to make him and name him your starter. But that's

(56:23):
just my take on it. What's your opinion on it?

Speaker 6 (56:27):
Yeah? I think I mean, if if your door had
shown I give me the quarterback for this team for
the next ten years, I just think we would know
it by now that that doesn't mean he might not
still show it, right, But I think, like I tend

(56:48):
to think coaches know, players know. I mean, there are
enough people who are on that staff last year that
are gone that would know, Like you would know. Oh,
if the Browns looked at you Door Sanders and said,
this can be the long term answer at the position,
and if that were the key, I think they the

(57:11):
Browns are investing in their entire offseason in finding out
whether or not and finding out whether or not he
can be the guy and giving him all the reps
and making him the starter. And so yeah, I mean,
the fact that they didn't do that look and I
think we have to have the proper expectation for it too.
He was not a top ten bick, he wasn't a
top twenty pick. He was picked on Day three of

(57:33):
the draft, you know, So it looks to me like
he's somebody who has probably outplayed his draft position, because
generally a fifth round quarterback won't get this sort of
shot to start here. Two, But like, hasn't gotten to
the point where you look at him and say like, yeah,
that's our future, and so that's how you deal him.

(57:54):
And he partly invested the three first round picks one
hundreds of millions of dollars into Sean Watson. It's like
I've said to you guys over the last few months
to short all us to yourselves, to at least see
and make sure that you did have it wrong with
the Sean Watson. And you know, I think over the
course this year, part of the goal, at least internally

(58:16):
for the Browns has to be getting answers to both
of those questions. Is whether or not either of those
guys have any shot of being the quarterback of twenty
twenty seven. But like we haven't seen like an investment
of reps and either one of them that would indicate
that that's the case.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Abe, what does that mean for Dylan Gabriel? I mean,
so that means you're basically I would be more willing
to say, okay, so you wasted a third round draft
pick on on a quarterback versus you waste It's hard
to say, okay, you wasted a fifth round draft pick
because that's you don't have to say that. But it
feels like you wasted a draft. Why draft, Dylan Gabriel,

(58:56):
if this is where you're hating with everything, because he's
not even in the common station.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Well, I mean, you know what, I think one of
the interesting things is too of are like so there's
different coaching staff this year. Look who Kevin Sabanski just
signed in uh in in in Atlanta, right.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
And that.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Right, I don't think there's like a. I think there's
some stylistic similarities. I don't think Dylan gabriels as good
as Toua. I think there's some stylistic similarity is there
and the way they play and so like, I think
it kind of tells you that maybe the parameters for
the position have changed a little bit with the coaching change.

(59:43):
And look like there's no question like if you're if
you're spending a third round pick on a guy and
you have your quarterback competition the next year and the
guy who drafts in the fifth round is it in
your third round or is not? Then there's a question
that it looks like I'm miss draft pick. That said,

(01:00:04):
I don't think it means that Dylan Gabriel of a
lost cause as an NFL player. It's just he doesn't
have the overwhelming count to fit every offense. That much
is clear, and stylistically, he doesn't fit Todd Munk in
the way that he did Kevin Stefanski. I think that
much team's pretty apparent too. And look, I think Dylan

(01:00:27):
Gabriel had a chance to be in the league for
a long time. But I think it's probably in a
way that a lot of people saw him before the
twenty twenty five drafts, which is as a backup, not
a starter, and maybe a Chase Daniel type of player.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
He's Albert Briers, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB. You can get him on x at Albert
Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe with
the popularity and the success from a ratings standpoint, just
the fandom, I mean, you know you told us, you know,
we were talking to you about, you know, the Scottish
fans that came out and drank Boston dry and all that.

(01:01:07):
But like we're seeing the success and the numbers that
have come out, and I think the final number for
US Belgium was fifty million and you and the US
got blowtorch in that game. Do you think has the
NFL been paying attention to this and have they taken
anything from it for their own use? Because I know
Robert Kraft. There there was a report I think Mike

(01:01:29):
Reese who said that Robert Craft, you know, kind of
threw the idea at Roger Goodell, like, hey, what about
a Patriots game in Scotland based on how the fans
showed up and really showed out? What do you think
the World Cup has impacted the NFL on moving forward?

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I think it's probably Jonas like most applicable to how
you're marketing your game internationally, and like I think it's
here an NFL owner, if you work at the league office,
if you're a business side guy with one of these teams,
I think what you're studying is how FIFA was able

(01:02:06):
to turn these games into events. And I went to
one in Foxborough. It felt like a big event and
it was a round a thirty two games, you know,
it was the first round of the knockout stage and
it felt massive like being there, you know. So I
think it continues to be how can you like event
tie like all of your international games and and make

(01:02:29):
them feel big and make them feel like you have
to be there? And I think like that's the interesting thing.
Fox did a good job with this, I thought, you know,
and I and and and and and and certainly, like
I think when you watch it on TV, I mean,
I don't know, how do you guys? Do you guys
both watch Mexico England the other night?

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Fantastic?

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
That felt like one of the most I mean, the
only thing I could compare it to is like a
massive college football game. And I'm serious. People will be
offended when they hear me say that, but like it's
like my point of reference, Like that just felt like
such a big deal, you know. And so look, I
think like the big big for the NFL people is

(01:03:15):
it's like, how can we turn our international games into events?

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
Because I really think that's what the audience reacting to. Now,
that's what the bigger international audience reacts. That's how you
get the casual batman, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Interested.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
So I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
I think it's sort of like a it's an abstract thing,
but you know it's something that I think certainly the
thoughts to about.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Yeah, because I just what we were talking about this yesterday,
like is it even working? Is the NFIL International even working?
I know it weren't listen, we're not there, so we
can't tell. But I look at it and I go,
I just I don't. It doesn't feel like there's the
same Hey man, there's in this London. They're packed with
Jaguars fans and they've been over there a lot. It

(01:04:04):
just it seems like and maybe this is recency biased
as well too, and maybe I'm guilty of it, but
it just seems like it hasn't had the effect that
maybe it has world Cup wise this year.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Yeah, and that's probably stakes too, right, Like I I mean,
look like a playoff game that's gonna have a different
atmosphere to it, you know, and like these games are
a big deal. I mean, I you know, the game
that I went to went the penalties and I I said,

(01:04:38):
you know, my buddy is sitting next to me. It's like,
can you imagine screwing? And one of the German players
did screw it up, you know what I mean, he
put it in the third row. You don't have a
chance to make up for that for four years, you know,
there's no like, oh yeah, I'll get them next year.
It's like you don't have a chance to do a
tone for any mistake you make in that spot for

(01:04:58):
another four years. So like I think stakes are obviously
a big part of it too, you know, and I
don't like, I don't know that you can recreate that
those stakes and the tension that exists like with a
regular season game. And I think that's probably part of
why they've tried to put more important games over there.
Like I mean, like, look, I think it kind of

(01:05:21):
sucks that that that Niners Ram is being played in
Australia because that's such an important game, you know what
I mean, Like, like man, like that seems like competitively
for the NFL, it's like not a great thing that
you're putting that important game and that different of an environment.
But like I've sort of I guess, is what they
have to do, you know what I mean, Like if

(01:05:43):
they want to create this intensity to the environment and
everything else, they got to put games of stakes over there.
And if it's not going to be playoff teams, it
has to be a big games.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Mhm aybe. My last question for you would would be
looking at the landscape of the right now. We had
we had a conversation. It was quick because we were
at the end of the segment, but about flag football
and and just kind of the long term impact of
you know, the brain and stuff like that that continues

(01:06:14):
to be a hot button topic for tackle football.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
And I raised the point that you know, there's a
lot of diseases and a lot of ailments and and
things that you know, people have to deal with from
the work that they do that's not unique to football.
But we seem to villainize tackle football now. It's it's polarizing,

(01:06:38):
it's it's entertaining, and I get all of that. Do
you feel as though, because after having a conversation about
trying to take the NFL Nation International, do you feel
like flag football cast a larger net. I feel like
the idea of it is you grow the game by
getting more more activities through flag football than you do

(01:07:00):
tackle football. Even though a lot of people like you
doesn't think that you know, flag is tackle, I still
think the variation of it can introduce people to it.
And when they're old enough and you feel comfortable and
confident letting them put a helmet and some shoulder pads on,
and they're big enough to go out there and play
the game, then that's when you let them do it.

(01:07:21):
It's almost like an alternative to possibly potentially replace youth football.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
Well, I make a couple of points in that, Like,
I think, first and foremost, I think what the NZL
down is something that I thought was predictable from the start, right,
which is that it's like it's there's only so much
a sports and growing in another country without kids playing it.
So you can get to the curiosity stage, you can

(01:07:49):
get some people, maybe maybe you can get a niche following,
but it's hard to become mainstream as a sport in
another country if the kids in that country aren't not
playing and football, tackle football is a much harder sport
to export than basketball or soccer, right, Basketball and soccer
are pretty easy to export, Like they're not like you know,

(01:08:13):
you you find some pavement, put a couple of hoops up,
roll out some balls. Kids can play basketball. You find
the field, put a couple of goals in, roll out
of bag of balls, kids can play soccer. It's not
like that with tackle football. So I think, you know,
part of put them pushing flag, A huge part of
them pushing flag is that piece of it, right, Like,
which is like we need to get people playing some

(01:08:35):
form of football internationally and tackle and flag it is
just much easier to export. And if we can make
flag more popular on TV, more people will play it overseas,
which will funnel more people to the NFL. The second piece,
which and that that applies to women domestically by the
way too, like getting women involved in a younger age
and playing at the younger age. That's part of it too,

(01:08:58):
the other piece of it, and like the safety piece
of it. And I think this is where soccer comes
into is like, and I see this in my own town, right,
I coached tackle football and we work with like we
try to work with the flag football people. Is like,
is flag football or replacement for tackle or is it,
like you're saying, LeVar a introduction to football that leads

(01:09:22):
to tackle And that's a conversation everybody has to have.
And I think that's sort of where the NFL needs
to pay attention to soccer. And like soccer becoming more
popular because if a parent doesn't feel comfortable with their
kids playing football, and soccer is becoming more and more mainstream.

(01:09:42):
I mean I remember when I was a kid, like
most of us played soccer when we were in first
and second and third grade and then switched over to
tackle football as more main as football becomes, as as
soccer becomes more mainstream, like foot ball does have like
run the risk of like some of those kids maybe

(01:10:03):
not switching over, you know. So I think football needs
to work hard to make sure the game's safer, make
sure it's being coached the right way, to make sure
the message is getting out there, and to make sure
that they're and like, to be honest with me, the
NFL is done a really bad job of this. Being
honest about it. Stop lying to everybody. It's not it's

(01:10:24):
a dangerous sport, you know, like, and there are things
that can be managed within it, Like if we're honest
with people and we're coaching it the right.

Speaker 11 (01:10:32):
Way and we're not pretending that that certain things didn't happen,
Like if you can have that, that's my experience.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
Like, and I know I'm being long win is here.
I'm passionate about this one.

Speaker 11 (01:10:44):
I like, I feel like there's a right way to
coach the game.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
There's a right way to teach the game.

Speaker 11 (01:10:49):
And if you're honest with a parent about it and
you're not lying to them, then they'll be way more
receptive than if they than if you're just running around
like a meat head and being like, oh, you know,
like what are you talking about this is dangerous. It's
not that stop being you know, so I can have

(01:11:10):
a very long conversation about this one if you can
tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Know, I'm with you. Yeah. No, it's a big topic.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Yeah, and it seems like it's becoming more and more discussed,
especially recently.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
No, no, man, No, that's good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Did well this time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
Yeah, you held up ab We appreciate it. We will
do it again next week.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Having a good weekend and enjoy your time with the fam.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
All right, thanks, hello, we will, we will.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
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