The Best Of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe

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Speaker 2 (01:16):
What's happening, boys?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
What a weekend of college football.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That was, huh? Perfect weekend for Labor Day, I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
And that's how you conclude it. Hour and 40-minute power
outage at a stadium. That's exactly how you put a
cap on this wild weekend from last night.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
That basically summarized the state of the Florida State program
as of right now. That's about how they feel about
Mike Norvell and that program, which a hard-fought game. But ultimately, SMU,
the better program right now, the better team won. It
feels weird to say that, but think about this. SMU
went to the playoff two years ago. It was kind

(01:53):
of a buddy on the heels of being able to
go to last year, but Florida State's had two losing
seasons in a row. It feels like that's what we're
seeing right now in college football. You've got your contenders
and your pretenders. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Did Michigan pretend to win this weekend?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
No, I think the Big Ten pretended they won.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh!

Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's not nice.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
It wasn't a good look. To me, that's the lead.
I mean, we could go with Lane Kiffin. That could
be the lead very easily. We could go with new
coaches and new faces on top of the whole Lane
Kiffin being at LSU, which, by the way, either... either

(02:36):
Clemson is that bad or LSU is that good. And
if LSU is that good, which they actually look the part,
they look that good. And then, yeah, Lane Kiffin is
seemingly the real deal. But that Michigan thing, that's– I

(03:00):
don't know. I don't know how that one sits with me.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
That's going to be one of those– If you're a
Western Michigan fan, that's going to be one that you
point to for, hey, remember where you were when that happened?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Because I know.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Where I was watching that and just thinking, how did
they come up with another second to put on the clock?
It seemed pretty obvious to everybody else. And as soon
as they did, I just had this feeling of... this
is going to be a touchdown. This second time around,
they're going to score here. And it was a great play,

(03:33):
but that's just a wild, wild conclusion to a game
that they had no business winning whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
No.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Western Michigan, Lance Taylor, their head coach, the rest of
that team, they dominated them. Outside of, you'd say, maybe
the opening drive, which people tend to forget, too, one
of the biggest plays in the entire game for Michigan's
offense was a botched shotgun snap where Underwood picked it up,
scrambled around, and fouled Buchanan for a big gain. That

(04:02):
was one of the bigger pass plays in the entire game.
Not something that was scripted or diagrammed. Literally, a botched snap...
Ran back, picked it up, ended up finding him for
a big gain. But the X's and O's were won
by Western Michigan, and many of the stout columns, they
were flawless in the way they were executing what they
were trying to do to impact Michigan. And I think

(04:24):
if you're a Michigan fan, you're not going to apologize
for a win, but you'd have to say it's concerning.
to see Bryce Underwood with the way he looked, to
see a Kyle Whittingham coach team that for years dominated
running the football and stopping the run. And they couldn't
do either versus Western Michigan. Granted, a really good MAAC program,

(04:46):
but you're Michigan. You're supposed to be above that. And
that's got to be alarming for Michigan fans. And I
think in regards to the rule, honestly, it reminded me
of I was going to sit there thinking to myself,
this is old school college football. But you want to
know where your home field advantage is?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
They're going to find a way. Someone's going to find
a way to have a slow clock or to put
a second back up. And I realize in this case,
it was more the officials and how the system they
used wasn't synced up with the clock on maybe the
scoreboard or even what they were using for TV. But
it got me thinking, like, that's the sort of home
field advantage you tend to get when you're dealing with

(05:28):
a college football game. You can go back to the
Jeff Smoker Michigan State comeback versus Michigan. And the Michigan
fans will remember this. There was a long second there, too,
on a spike before Michigan State got an additional play.
And eventually Jeff Smoker found TJ Duckett in the end zone.
Michigan fans won't forget that. And this was somewhat similar

(05:51):
in that sense of at least getting more time. Look,
I don't know if you guys want to break down
the nuances of that. I'm sure people have heard what
the Big Ten said. However, if you heard what Mike
Pereira and the article that came out in The Athletic
talks about, it refutes that. It basically says that Michigan
got it wrong and that the entire process was wrong.

(06:12):
So we can either go into that and we can
talk about other college games. What do you guys want
to do?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Let's get into the weeds on the rule. Here's Mike Pereira.
He was on the other JKS, the Joel Klatschow, and
had this to say.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
It's the right call with what they were looking at,
but it's the wrong.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
They didn't follow.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
The protocol, which, by the way, is not in the
rule book. It is not. There's a lot of ways
that you look at things called philosophy. You know that
in officiating. It is something that has been said to
them and will be told to them again this week,
you know, is that if there is that discrepancy. Don't
use the hidden video. Use the television video, which really

(06:53):
is the basic premise.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So I feel.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Horrible, you know, for the outcome.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Of the game.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
I feel horrible going, listening to what's being said on
the Internet, and everybody is ripping the officials, the officials.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
The officials had the game over.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
So they're the wrong group to say if you're going
to attach blame, they didn't do anything wrong. It's the
replay center that made this decision.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
Then the replay center needs to be suspended or shamed
or outed. Whoever said that, we need to know their name.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
We need to know your name, Mr. Replay Official.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And that's one of the things I want to dig into,
because it didn't used to be this way. You used
to have two replay officials up in the booth at
each game, and they would ultimately make the declaration on
any sort of review. The Big Ten has centralized their
approach now to replay review. So ultimately, it comes back
to Big Ten headquarters. And that's where this thing gets

(07:52):
a little bit dicey, because if you are a skeptic
or if you're a cynic and I fall into that category.
Or if you just have eyeballs. Maybe in that situation,
this too. But I think you all look at it
and go, oh, OK, we get it. Like David's not
supposed to beat Goliath in this case because this is
a bad look for the Big Ten. Michigan, who's got

(08:13):
to play Oklahoma next week. And with their schedule this season,
most assuredly with a loss to Western Michigan, and based
on how they looked, is now almost a touchdown underdog
at home to Oklahoma, which is about what I thought
the line would do. It looks like they're almost eliminated
from the playoff contention altogether. So you could understand how

(08:33):
the Big Ten would be thinking to themselves, this is
not good. This is one of our biggest brands. It's
going to kill us in regards to ratings. It's going
to kill us in regards to one of our top
25 ranked teams having a chance to be in the playoff.
And you could get the sense that, hey, maybe the
fix is in. Maybe they're going to try to find
a way of giving Michigan one more chance. And look,
credit to Bryce Underwood. The first throw, you know, obviously

(08:56):
he threw out of bounds. I mean, to end the
game that way and to think about the narrative, think
about how much more pressure would be put on him
if that is how the game ended. Western Michigan wins.
Underwood doesn't even give him a chance, throws it out
of the back of the end zone. Instead, redeems himself,
comes back, makes the throw that probably only Bryce Underwood

(09:19):
can make, given the pressure that was on him, and
then you're getting a throw off with two dudes who
lay him out after that, but it throws a perfect
ball so Buchanan could get it. And we could talk
about the execution of Western Michigan, which they didn't execute
well in the second Hail Mary. No one was there
to box J.J. Buchanan out. There always should be a
guy in front of him. There should be two guys

(09:40):
on the sides for the other guys waiting for the tip.
There should be a guy assigned for the back guy
who's waiting for the tip. They didn't do that. So
all credit goes to Michigan on that final play of
executing and getting it done. But you could see how
people would be skeptic based on how that process has changed,
where now it is centralized. Now it is controlled by
the Big Ten. And furthermore, when you listen to Pereira

(10:03):
talk about the procedure, he talks about that procedure because
that's what everyone sees. So if there's a discrepancy, you
go with what everyone sees. And everyone saw that that
clock had run out. And they agree that Western Michigan
should have won that game. That's not the reality of it,
but that's how it should have went down. But that's
part of college football, isn't it? I was a part
of a game where a clock ran out. They put

(10:25):
time back on back in 2005 versus SC. I know
how it feels. It stinks, but it's the reality of
what makes college football great. And really, any sport. There
is always controversy around the officiating of anything.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
I'll be honest with you. I kind of like it.
I like that there's a little shadiness to it. I
like that it's a little grimy, that everyone's sort of
looking at each other going, okay, sure, yeah, sure, there
was a second left on the clock. I even saw
some people try and make sense of it by saying, well,
you know, in reality, it was probably more like nine-tenths

(11:02):
of a second were on the clock. Okay, like, you
do whatever you got to do to round up and
make the numbers work. I... There's something about it.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's flawed.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't think it's something that you would find at
the NFL level because the NFL feels buttoned up and
professional and all the other things that come along with
it because it is. But in college football, it feels
like there's times where, eh, maybe we'll look the other
way on some stuff. Maybe we'll color outside the lines

(11:32):
of need be.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, they didn't look the other way on this one.
They looked right at it.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
That looked right at it.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I kind of like it, man.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I can't say I like it.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
To that point, though, to that point, can I ask
you guys this? Why doesn't the game clock in college
football have decimals? If that's how we're going to do this,
down to the 10th and down, to your point, because
I did hear that too, is, oh, maybe there was
half a second left. Because people broke out the on-camera clocks,
et cetera, et cetera. Maybe that's part of the Hawkeye system.
Why don't they?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I saw, I was reading about that yesterday, and they
said that the older stadiums in college football aren't equipped
with the clocks that they have to be able to
use tens of a second.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's so weak. I know. I know. I'm with you.
But that's sort of what they're going with. The clock
was on zero. It was zero.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
The ball had not touched anyone's hands yet. It was
on zero. And for what it's worth, if there were
tenths of a second that were waning, like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
When you put it in pause and you slow it up,
I get it.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
It could seem, appear longer than what it is, but
it just doesn't seem like there's no valid way. There's
no valid way to sit there and say it wasn't
at zero. I don't care if you want to use
the clocks weren't synced up. The camera angles, I know
the camera angles, they said there's one camera angle that

(13:00):
You know, the Big Ten used to justify it. You
can't see it. It's not a clear view of the ball.
I just, you know, to me, I don't like it
because that's a loss. You want to know what's great
about college football? When a Michigan loses their early game.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
To App State.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
When a Notre Dame loses to a team they weren't
supposed to beat. When a Penn State loses or an
Ohio State. That's what's great about college football as well.
is when you do see that Goliath get slayed.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
In an early.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
I say early game because, I mean, obviously, if they're
as good as they're supposed to be, they get the
loss out of the way.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
You keep playing.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
You took a loss to Western Michigan.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
You took a loss.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Take your L, lick your wounds, and come back and
represent your team and your conference better in the weeks
to come. But they were given a game, and I,
you know, I feel like that buried a lot of
leads here. Like, James Franklin had a hell of a weekend.
Their defense looked amazing. Brent Pryde, that's a great story.

(14:07):
Brent Pryde comes back, swallows his pride, becomes the D coordinator.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
You know.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Hell, Matt Campbell had a great week, you know, weekend
and opener.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Notre Dame had a great.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Showing, a phenomenal showing compared to what they've done in
years past. There were a lot of great storylines connected
to college football this weekend. And I feel like the
worst part of it is something that stinks. And something
that sucks and should have been the bigger story on
the opposite side of it ends up being the bigger

(14:42):
story of it all anyway.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
It's like they were looking for spare change under the cushions.
They're like, where's that extra nine tenths of a second?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh, there it is. I found it.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay, but can we give the Big Ten credit for
at least putting out a statement slash the transparency that
they provided?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Right away, within two hours, right?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
It was about three, but here's what I'd say is
it was great in that sense. The problem is you
have this arbitrary clock that everyone's like, wait a second,
where's that clock come from? There's another clock. You know,
people knew there wasn't any sort of other system. And
that's where when you listen to the longer form discussion
between Joel Clyde and Mike Pereira, you hear Mike Pereira
talk about the fact that this system isn't well known

(15:22):
to anyone.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
So that's the whole point. Including the refs in the
game who called it a game.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
But more than anything else is like the officials ultimately
are the ones who are responsible and keeping track and
time of all of it. And that's why there is
a discrepancy. They go with what everyone else sees, and
that's what the officials are included in. Now, this does— so
there is a rule. It's Rule 3-2-4, and it states
that GameClock shall not display tenths of seconds. So this

(15:50):
is a legitimate rule.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
What the hell, Brady?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
And even though people have pushed against it, my whole
thing's like, that's like pushing against replay at this point.
And for the sake of saying like, well, you know,
not every stadium has the right camera angles or whatever
for replay. It's like, come on, dude.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
It's 2026.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Expensive.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
The clock says zero and the referees called it a game.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't need anything more than that.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
So let me give you the worst explanation for why
this is.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
The NCAA states that this rule is in place because
it keeps end of game decisions simple for quarterbacks and officials.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So meaning it would be hard to determine whether or
not on a spiked ball or a clocked ball, if
they truly had enough time, which they've already decided. They've
already figured that out. They basically said a clocked ball
like you saw when they spiked it and they put
nine seconds up on the board. It takes two seconds.
That is typically the length that they say they can

(16:53):
assuredly say it was snapped, caught, then spiked in two seconds,
which honestly, it's probably faster than that. But if you
have decimals, that's one and a half seconds or one
point seven rounds up. OK, so let's just call it
a spike takes two seconds. That's what they say. If
that's the case, like, okay, what's difficult about this then? Like,

(17:13):
if the scoreboard can have decimals, put decimals up there,
that solves a lot of this issue. And it becomes
just as much transparent as what we saw in your
little Big Ten video you put out there.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I like that this is a possibility, though.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It should be.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
What are we doing? College football always prides itself on
being different from the NFL. Here you go. Go put
in fractions of it and show that and let that
be part of it.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
I like the idea that if you need to, find
an extra second laying around somewhere.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
If you needed it, it's there. That's where we're at
these days. If you need it, cheeky.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
It's like, you know, put a little bit of cash,
you know, over here to save. And if you need
to get to it, you can. You just, you know,
pull right out and there we go. And now I
did when they when you watch the game after, you know,
the first Hail Mary. And you can sort of see
the Western Michigan players celebrating.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Everybody running onto the field.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
And then, you know, the Western Michigan coach telling them, hey,
get back, get back, just in case. You could see
the looks on the Western Michigan players' faces change because
they realized, oh, no, they're going to do it to us.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
They're going to figure out a way.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
I mean, for what it's worth, you made it that
far in the game where they needed an extra credit
final play to win the game. Stop the play. Stop
the play. I mean, ultimately, that's what football represents. Stop
the play. I get that. I just think this is
a big L for college football. If we really look

(18:52):
at it at its truest form, it's an L, man.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
It took... It took.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Away from a moment that should have been a historical moment.
They said that would have been the biggest upset in
the school's history. It might have been one of the
bigger upsets, arguably, in sports. I mean, this is a top.
What number are they ranked? I think Michigan was 18th
or something like that. I mean, I just think that

(19:20):
that stinks, man.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think it stinks.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
They might be ranked this week, by the way.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And rightfully so.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
That was an awful performance yeah rightfully so i don't
know man i just that to me is i i
didn't like the way it felt and you know you
got to keep moving on and i get that but
and again there are a lot of storylines out there
i know we'll probably get to lane kiffin what was
that uq that was the Lane Kiffin sound. I think

(19:50):
the bigger story here on Lane Kiffin, and I know
we've got to get to break, but the bigger story
here that I think is worth discussing is that cell
phones and technology, man, like at some point there has
to come a point in time where you have a
cell phone screener Like metal detectors? Yeah, but what if

(20:13):
somebody tries this? What if they smuggle it in? It's
almost like you have to treat cell phones and entry
into private areas of team operations like an airport. You
got to step into the monitor. It's got to do
a full body screen on you.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
What is that? Okay, good. Check it in.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
No smuggling of phones into areas where... where you can
do that. To me, I think that that's the bigger
conversation even than the whole Lane Kiffin deal.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah.

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Speaker 6 (23:34):
So it's a very good question. I breathe out of
my mouth, you know, and it's very difficult. It's a
challenge to breathe out of your mouth. We had a
Mando for a while.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
We did. Yeah. For a while. Come back.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Come on back. Hold on a second.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
How did we go from I just got a compliment
for the music. I had a company tell me my
neck was too thick. Damn.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Some of these advertisers, boy.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
All right.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
We're good here. They really go at your neck. Thick neck.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I can see it all in your neck and in
your face.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Like.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You're not doing our program.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's amazing. Hey, kudos to them, though. They're staying true
to the program. Were you being as disciplined as you.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Should have been?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
My face carries the weight. Hold on.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes or no.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Were you being as disciplined as you should have been?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
To the nine? No.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
No.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, but you were. But I was. I was doing it.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think you just had it.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
I still actually feel the effect. I've lost weight since
doing it.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think you had a bad weekend. That's what it was. Like,
they caught you on, like, a Monday or Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
But she had no reference point to call me fat-faced
like that, though.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I thought you met with her, like, every week.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, but we weren't, you know, we weren't on Zoom.
We weren't on Zoom.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh, she never saw you? That was the first time
she saw you?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
No, that was the first time she saw me. Damn. Yeah,
it was bad.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's a pretty wild assumption.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
And she has no idea how, like, body dysmorphia, I'm
messed up that way.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm obese.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Good move. I love food.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
No, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And the fact that she would attack me in that manner.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Don't say that.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Bro, I went and sat in a corner later on
that day and just ate, like, three bags of Doritos.
I was like, hey, if she's going to call me
fat face, I'll give you fat face.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
A whole gallon of ice cream.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
I'll give you your fat face and then you'll see
what you want. You'll see the difference. And then you'll
know that your program actually was working. I think you
look wonderful.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I think you look great.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Thanks guys. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
I'm morbidly obese, but I'm working on it. That's, that's
my weight. I have to lose like 20 pounds. I
just can't figure it out. I can't figure it out.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
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Speaker 4 (26:25):
All right, so... LeVar, you mentioned this and kind of
referenced this. Lane Kiffin in the midst of LSU just
annihilating Clemson.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Is that what it was? I mean, they beat their ass.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
That was bad. Can we honestly identify what that was?
That was one program that has embodied, that has adjusted
with NIL, the transfer portal, where college football is at today.
I think it's fair to say they're a market disruptor.
They're a first mover in the aggressiveness to go get talent.

(27:05):
That's what LSU is. That's what they have been getting
Lane Kiffin, paying off other coaches, and also how they've
got about trying to build the roster. And on the
other hand... You've got the old wooden ship. Here comes
in the Mayflower. It's like they just are. And here's

(27:25):
what I'll say about Dabo is, you know, they they
have taken on more transfers this year. I think they
took six, two years ago to 11 this year. So
they're slowly building. And I'm not saying that that's the
right way of doing it. You know, maybe Dabo is right.
The problem is he's he's had coordinators have been plucked
from his program. I mean, you can look at. Brent Venable,
since he left, how much they've struggled defensively. That's been

(27:48):
one area of concern, I think, is just the lack
of consistency there. Chad Morris is back as their OC. Now,
that didn't matter for week one, but I think it
will help them moving forward. But the problem is, and
I think it was highlighted by what you saw at
the quarterback spot. Vazina, their quarterback, who got benched, I
want to say in the first half, first quarter, That

(28:11):
guy is waiting three. This is his third year at
Clemson for this opportunity. And they bench him that quick.
Doesn't that give you a sense of like, maybe you
got some reservations about him being the guy in the
first place. And if that's the case, why wouldn't you
go try to find a transfer quarterback? That's what everyone
else is doing. I mean, that's not saying there's not
holes in other parts of the roster, but, I mean,

(28:32):
you look at Miami, and they bring in a guy,
Darian Mensah, and it goes from a team that you're like,
all right, we'll see what they're going to beat. Oh, okay,
they look like one of those best teams, too. Like, LSU, Miami,
Ohio State, those are the top three teams for this
past weekend. And meanwhile, Clemson's still trying to do things
the old-fashioned way, and maybe it'll work out at some
point for Dabo. It just hasn't in recent history.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
He's, of all the coaches that are still coaching... he's
been by far and away the most vocal about his
dislike of this new college football landscape. And it's almost
as if Saban saw it and was like, yeah, I'm
good here.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Like I, this, this isn't going to work for me.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
And Dabo's still there.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Do you think that's because he knows he can't win
at that game? Like Clemson, you know, might not be
able to, you know, drive up as much NIL as
they need to have. That's what it feels like. Even
though they've got great fans, great support, maybe he feels
like that's a losing battle. If he's going to have
to try to fundraise every single year for NIL in
order to create a roster that can compete with the

(29:34):
LSU's of the world the Ohio State's of the world
the name your you know Georgia whoever else Texas maybe
that's partially why he feels.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
That way and Nick Saban Nick Saban is a relationship
guy I'm sure Dabo Sweeney's the same way because he's
a you know former player of his or no he's
not a former player of Stallings yeah it would have
been Stallings but that maybe that Alabama mentality I don't
know The one thing I would say about Saban is
I would think that it's more personal. Like he probably

(30:04):
walked away because the way he coached and the way
he recruited to think that you have to do that
with a kid. Once you get them, you have to
continue to recruit kids. Once you get them, you know
how they made the joke in the program. and Darnell
Jefferson showed up on camp easy he's like wait hold
on we're all the cheerleaders and all the the band

(30:26):
and all that he was like well you know it's
the summer they don't come back for another few weeks
da da da oh and by the way we got
you now you know like you can't say that anymore
it's like you're not being recruited we we got I
think I think Nick Saban and other coaches that had
that old school way of doing things like we were
talking about on the sideline this weekend like coaches actually

(30:47):
writing handwritten letters. Can you imagine there was a time
where coaches sent handwritten letters.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
To you in the mail? Crazy.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Crazy to think there was a time that existed that way.
And I think that you can't keep kids anymore. They're
looking for the next stop on their list of places
to stop and go to before they're done playing college football.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I think that's the major turnoff for some guys, man.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I also think that it is entirely different, the relationship
that they have. Because when you say Nick Saban was
a relationship coach, I feel like that relationship was one
in which he's the dictator.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Whether that's with his coaches or his players. And now,
if you look at how you have to be as
a head coach... You look at the Lane Kiffins, the
Marcus Freemans. You have to have a genuine connection with
them because now more than ever, the player has the power.
The player can leave you. The player can get paid.
I'm not going to say right now they're getting paid

(31:45):
as much as these coaches, but they're approaching it. If
we're being real about this, if things keep going the
way they're going, you're going to have players who are
getting paid more than the coach. And that becomes a
dynamic where you say, well, what then can the coach
say or do to that player if they're getting paid
more than him? They're powerless in a way. And the

(32:07):
only thing they can do is find that common ground
of wanting to win, wanting to get him drafted as
high as possible, number one overall, what have you. Those
commonalities that they're both working towards. There's not a system
put in place yet where a fine system ultimately really
works where Because, again, it's so transient. One of the

(32:29):
ways in which NFL players are able to display some
of their power is they'll just sit out. They hold out.
They don't like something. They don't show up. They're not
there to help out their team and coach win. But
that hurts everyone. And plus, for the player, you're under
contract for multiple years. Now these players are, but it's
hard to enforce it. Usually the teams are going to

(32:52):
lose if they were to take it to court, more
often than not. Or the players can still get out
of it and pay a minimum penalty. So that's what's
so different is... And I'm not saying that Dabo Sweeney
is any sort of dictator. I do think there's an
element of that maybe in his program. But ultimately... I
just think Dabo's old school when he wants to do
it the way he's done it in the past. And

(33:14):
that was super successful for a period of time. But
now you found yourself in this scenario where it's just...
It's not like what it once was, man. You have
to adapt if you want to survive. I mean, I
also think you could directly relate it to, you know,
Cade Klubnick was viewed as a very highly talented recruit.
You know, he ends up going, what, fourth round to
the Jets? You know, they had Trevor Lawrence. They won

(33:37):
a national championship. And he's a guy who's viewed as
a first round pick. You had Deshaun Watson, a lot
of success with him. Another guy, first round pick. Like
there's also an element of you got to go find
that guy at quarterback because if you don't have them,
that's the biggest difference between the haves and have nots.
They've got a guy who's going to be viewed as
a first round talent. And every single team that we
look at, say they have a chance of winning a

(33:58):
national championship. They've got a stud at quarterback. There's no
holes there anymore.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
I mean, there was a time during a five-year stretch
in which Dabo Swinney and Clemson was in the national
championship game four times.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And he won two of those. It just makes you wonder, though,
like the amount of talent that he had.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
And he seems like, yeah, a ton of talent.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
A ton of talent, bro. But if that same talent
were around nowadays, they might. He wouldn't have it.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
He wouldn't have it.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
He seems like a really good guy who just has
struggled to keep up with the times.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Let me throw this one out at you because Q,
I don't think I've ever seen in my recollection.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I think I'm right.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
I don't think I've ever seen a transfer come in
and start at Penn State. It's always been recruited players.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
You had wide receivers last year. No, I'm saying quarterback.
I've never seen a transfer. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
I've never seen a transfer quarterback play and be a starter. Well,
be a starter at Penn State. during my entire life.
I think this is the first time. And let me
tell you something. Rocco Beck is a bad boy, dog.
He's a bad boy.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
He should be in the conversation for the Heisman after
his performance. Let's take a look at the odds.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
Let me tell you something. That kid's release is as
quick a release as I've seen. And his ability to
see the field, his poise, I mean, I was blown away.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And in my mind, I was like, damn, is this
is like this is what it is like.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
Like you bring in a transfer like you bring you
bring in a really good like this is what it
feels like.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Like, hold on. Damn it, Rocco Beck. Think I love you.
I went up to him and gave him a hug.
I love you, man. Currently 56 to one to win
the Heisman. Hey, let me tell you something.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
I'm not wanting to hype it because it's Penn State.
All I'm going to say is everybody was concerned. The
things I was hearing during the week, concerned about the
star power isn't there. And I just kept saying to
myself in my mind, I was like, I feel like
we've had too much star power around here.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
We need more football players. And we need.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
Guys that love one another and love playing the game.
And I just got to tell you, that's what I
saw on Saturday. Tackling was great. The play calling was dope. Like,
it was really good, man.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
He's right behind Kevin Jennings, who is a turnover machine. Dang.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
If you listened to Rhett Lashley last night, he, like,
blatantly put it on the receiver. Yeah, receiver ran the
wrong route on the one interception. It's like, all right,
don't need to see that on film. I'll just air
out the wide receiver on national TV.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
All I know is. Rocco Beck was slinging that pill, bro.
And it put it shed a new light on me
on transfer quarterbacks. It totally makes a difference.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Do you want to hear this? This this clip speaking
to head coaches and transfers and all this.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Do you want to hear this clip from.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Lane Kiffin's locker room speech that got out? Here he
was in the midst of their beating LSU gave Clemson
over the weekend.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
All right, guys, we started here like seven, eight months ago,
whatever it was, all right?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And we asked you to work really hard, okay?

Speaker 6 (37:26):
And we asked you to come back to work again
and again and again, okay?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Do you feel good about what happened?

Speaker 4 (37:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Who gives a * * * * what happened?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's what's supposed to happen.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Ain't no * * * * celebrations for that.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
They * * * * up.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
They work different.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
* * * *.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
So you got to show them again.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
They're going to come out.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
It doesn't matter what plays they run.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
It doesn't matter what they do on offense, defense. Put
the back in.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't give a * * * *. You send
a * * * * message. Who * * * *
your schedule?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
They have to play you. And don't think we let
them play.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
No matter if you're in a game for one snap.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Or 50 more snaps.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
You * * * *. Now, is it still considered
leaked if the head coach was behind the video getting out?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Because I 100% believe that Lane Kiffin knew. That was
an angle.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
100% believe that Lane Kiffin knew that was getting out
there and probably said, yeah, hit send.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Because I think that's a side of him where we
see it and we go, dang, I didn't know he
had that in him. He comes off as kind of
this more chill, maybe a little bit of trash talker
at times, but doing yoga and talking more in this
tone than getting after the boys like that. I would
say this, though. I think what he's done, and this is,
I don't know if it's by design or if it's

(39:01):
just how it's worked out. He has embraced the villain
side like we have discussed, but what that also does
is it allows everyone to rally around it. Like every
single environment he's creating is it's us against them. It's
us against the world. It's no one wants you to win.

(39:21):
Go prove them wrong. And I think as a former player,
what's powerful about that is it constantly puts you on edge.
It constantly promotes you in this frame of mind of
it's me against everyone. It's me against whoever else is
out there besides me and these guys in this room.
And that can be a galvanizing thing when you feel
like you're constantly against everyone else out there in college

(39:43):
football to go out there and prove them wrong. The
motivation factor behind that. And I know you ask someone
like Pete, what does it matter? It's a halftime speech, blah.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
But there is something to the mindset and the focus
that comes along with that when every single day you're
reminded like everyone hates you. So go out and prove
them wrong.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
That's a powerful thing.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
He sounds like Will Ferrell in old school when he
was talking to the pledge recruits. If you listen to
it again, it sounds like Will Ferrell. I couldn't unhear it.
I close my eyes, I hear Will Ferrell talking to
the college recruits. Here's what I'll say. It put me
in the vein of 100% he understands the chaos that

(40:31):
he creates. He understands it. That speech there says to
me he thinks logically. He's not illogical. He is logical.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
And to me, it.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
Shines a different light on how I view him because
I almost felt as though it's like he's like in
this like no man's land of like normal and like,
I don't know, the Twilight Zone. But that speech says
to me that he doesn't want people to know the

(41:12):
real him. Only the people that are privy to knowing
the real him are able to know him. And I
feel like that's what that speech made me feel. But
like I said earlier, I felt like the bigger story here,
and unless you're right, and it's like somebody, you did that,
I mean, he did have the gymnast follow him into

(41:36):
the stadium. He had a certain look when he walked
into the stadium. So and saying embracing that villain look,
it's 100 percent like he 100 percent fits the persona
of the type of coach that if you were being real.
is probably the type that you're going to need for
the future as NIO continues to develop. But I think

(42:00):
you back to the phone, you got to start. There
has to be more management on, on people being able
to enter into places with recording devices.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
And honestly, I know it sounds extreme and ridiculous, but
you almost might have to walk through a scanner or,
before you come into one of these places, if you're
going to protect your interest of yourself and your team.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
I could see Lane Kiffin walking up to whoever the
guy is and just being like, hey, record this.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Again, if that's what it is, and I buy that.
That's what he is. And I totally buy that. He's
a professional wrestler. But, you know, I was just a
part of that whole Pat Craft.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
Thing where they leaked out him talking to the team
and all that stuff and what was being said.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
That was a different time of year, though, right?

Speaker 6 (42:49):
It was, but I just think that you got to
be aware of the recording. And there's probably a regular
cameraman that got that. That probably will run in one
of their– They're, you know, highlight stories of the week
or something to that effect.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
But I think it's dangerous. It's dangerous when you have
multiple recording things going on.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Even when he's at halftime and he's talking about, oh,
you know, we need to do this, we need to
do that. And they're blowing Clemson out. As he's walking away,
he can't help himself but say, man, it took me
everything to say. Imagine if we had those pro players
out there. He can't help himself. It sounds like normal
coach speak, and then he's got to add something more

(43:32):
on the end. There he is.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
That's who he is. For this timing, it's perfect. Because
people gravitate to that. People want to see those clicks
and click on that and see the highlights and see
the little sound bites. And even him walking in with
Theo Vaughn, Brooks Nader, and Libby Dunn, quite possibly the

(43:56):
most random group of collected people to walk into a stadium.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
And it didn't look forced.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
What's crazy about it is it didn't look out of place.
I'm sitting there like, does this look out of place?
Why am I, why am I looking at this? Like, damn,
like why don't more people do that?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Like it is random. Dion's been doing it.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Dion has been doing it.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
He's been doing it with different celebrities. Dion has been
doing it. You're right about that. You are right about that.
Dion did normalize it a little bit. You're right. That
is true.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
But it's just that group was somewhat random. I'm not
really sure. And look dope to me. He's walking up.
He clearly works out to wear his suit. So God
bless you, Lane. They can talk all the trash they
want about you. But you can wear a suit, my guy.
He's wearing his suit walking up. They're walking behind looking

(44:53):
the way they're looking. And they're big time influencers, which
is like brilliant marketing. It's brilliant to open yourself up
to the tons of people that are influenced by them.
And it's like you walked in like, I know what
we are about to do to these Clemson Tigers.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
It was well done.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
At the very least, he's off to a better start
than Brian Kelly. Like, I'll say that. At the very least.
At least, you know, it wasn't awkward.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
LSU might not lose a game, man. They might not
lose a game. They looked really good.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I came away thinking they looked to be the best team,
and it wasn't perfect either early.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Which, you know, in the second half, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
But I'm just saying, it wasn't perfect early, but they
still look damn good.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Man, bro.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Man.

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Speaker 6 (46:50):
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Speaker 2 (46:53):
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Speaker 5 (46:58):
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Speaker 6 (47:03):
Here comes my hero.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
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according to Ricky, Ricky and Vito, who put the imaging
together for the network that.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
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have them ready for tomorrow. Jonah, shut up. What?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
It's true. I mean, I've already put mine in. I'm
not sure what Jonas is doing.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
I mean, you guys are on good authority that y'all
want new songs in tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I'm sticking with mine.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
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Speaker 2 (47:42):
I know, because they're putting together a new opening for
the show. No, I'm going to stick with mine. I'm
going to stay true to mine. All right. Yeah, I'm
going to stay true to mine. Can we go back
to Pop It?

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Pop It was fun.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
That one really worked. Yeah, I like that one. That's
stripper music.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
So what?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Why did you say, oh, yeah, like that to stripper music?
Because I forgot about pop it. Oh, okay. Cherry Red
was another one. That's another one? Cherry Red. You're stupid.
That one? Come on, man. It's hour three. Let's go. Yeah,
grow up.

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Speaker 2 (48:47):
It is a Tuesday. And that means it's Pete Prisco time.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports CBS Sports HQ analyst
and if you want to get chewed up and spit
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at Prisco CBS Pete good morning what's up guys how are.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
You good morning Pete Prisco.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
What up Pete Pete were you a little bothered by
the performance of Sam Levitt, former Sun Devil, putting on
a show as LSU looked like the best team in
the country over the weekend?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Did it bother you or no?

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Well, they had an exhibition game to start the season,
so you can't really take that into account. I mean,
what is Clemson? They're done.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
I mean, that program. Well, I mean, look, if you
don't pay the way everybody else pays, you're not going
to win in this country anymore. So that's basically what
it is. And LSU's got the best team money to
come by right now, right? I mean, look at Sam Levitt.
Sam Levitt was making a boatload at ASU. And then
Sam Levitt gets even more money to go to LSU.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
What was he making at ASU, Pete? What was he making?

Speaker 5 (50:00):
I think it was $ 3 million. That's what I heard.
I don't know if it's true, but that's what I heard.
And I think he's getting four something, right? Four and
a half or more than that at LSU, isn't it? Brady,
you know that.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You're the one with all the numbers, pal.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I'm just listening to you.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
What'd you hear?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I heard it was about that and a little more.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Well, there you go. I mean, I can't fault the kid.
Go take the money. But that doesn't mean I want
him to succeed. I hope he stinks.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
So you were rooting against him this past weekend.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Well, yeah, I was hoping Clemson won the game. By
the way, he still runs too much. He still runs
too much.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Well, yeah, there's a little bit of that. Who did
you come away most impressed by this past weekend in
college football?

Speaker 5 (50:49):
In terms of players or teams?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Teams, but maybe a player or two as well.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Well, I thought Arch Manning looked like Arch Manning. He
looked good. But again, who did he play? He didn't
play anybody either. I thought LSU looked great. LSU looked fantastic.
They really did. I mean, on both sides of the ball.
So the most impressive team was LSU. Best team money
can buy. I mean, come on, let's go. Kudos to them.

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Just like Texas Tech last year. Best team money can buy.
Isn't that what the sport is now? I mean, that's
basically what it is. We're going to have those teams
are going to be the ones at the top, and
the rest of the sport's going to fall off.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
There's people who feel like it's always been that way.
It's just over the table now.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Yeah, well, but it's okay. It's over the table now.
But back in the day, when it was under the table,
they weren't getting $ 4. 5 million, Brady.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Well, you don't know that. There might be some players
getting paid some decent coin, you know?

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Well, let's put it this way. You were a giant recruit.
What'd you get?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I got nothing, pal. I'm not the demographic where they're
walking in your household thinking you need something.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
LeVar was a giant recruit. What'd he get? If it
was going on the way you guys say it was
going on, and you two were two of the top recruits,
and you were big school recruits and went to major programs,
and yet you stood here and go, no, we didn't
get anything. So it wasn't really going on then, was it?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
It was going on, Pete. It just wasn't at Notre
Dame or some other spots. It was mostly in the South. Well,
let's call it what it is. There was no secret
of what the advantage was.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Okay, Brady, your quarterback at Notre Dame, Carr, right now,
what's he getting?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I don't know the exact numbers. I don't know ballpark,
but he's up there with the market value of everything else.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Okay. Okay. So Brady Quinn, you two missed out on
a boatload of money because you didn't play in this generation, correct? Correct.
That's basically what happened.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
But I just have a problem, and I'm not going
to fault the kid, because I think the kid should
take everything he can get. I mean, if I'm a kid...
I got a school paying me $ 2 million and another
school's paying me $ 5. I'm getting off to the $ 5.
I can't fault the kid. But it doesn't mean I've
got to be happy about it if I'm sitting there.
And by the way, I'm not so sure ASU's quarterback's
not pretty good right now. We'll know on Saturday when

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they play A & M. We'll know more about them
when they play A & M.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
You mentioned Arch.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
You think he wins his Heisman depending on his performance
this upcoming weekend?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
It's too early for that.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's too early?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I don't think it's too early. I think it's early.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
It's early enough where if you have a game like this,
you can put yourself so far ahead that all you
have to do is not play yourself out of a
Heisman versus play yourself into getting the Heisman.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
That's how big this game is.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
If he threw five touchdown passes and rolled up 400
yards and they beat Ohio State in a shootout, then
I think that puts him firmly in the conversation. But
if they win and he throws two touchdown passes and
doesn't turn it over, I don't think that gives him
the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
So it's pretty important then. I mean, I, I would
assume this has got to.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Be for everybody. It's an important game in a lot
of ways. But I'll tell you what, watching Ohio state,
I thought the saying looked great the other day, but again,
who are they playing? So you got to, you know,
relax the enthusiasm a little bit on those guys. But
I think this is a big game for both those
teams and it's a big game for both those quarterbacks.
So yeah, to answer your question, can it take him,

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can it make sure he's going to win the Heisman? No.
Can it take him out of the Heisman? Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Which is crazy. I agree with you though.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
A bad early game and a big game can take
you out of the race, but a great good game
early on, it puts you in the conversation, but Well, he's.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
In the conversation. He's in the conversation. Both those guys
are in the conversation anyway.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
I feel like he can distance himself in the conversation
if he were to have a bang-up game against Ohio State.
If they were to beat Ohio State, I think even
if he doesn't have the most phenomenal game, if he
just has a really, really good game, I think he
puts himself out there in the conversation above everybody else.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
He looked really good the other day.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
He looked really good.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
I've said all along, I think he's going to be
the first quarterback picked, and I stand by that.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Pete, where does it land with you that the NFL
kicks off tomorrow because we're playing a game in Australia
on Thursday?

Speaker 5 (55:23):
It's weird, but I understand it. I mean, look, if
I were one of those teams, I wouldn't be thrilled
to be playing out there. No way. I mean, that flight,
what is a flight? 17 hours? Yeah. Isn't that what
it is?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I mean, that's got to just wear on your body.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
And the time change and everything else. I mean, did
you see Raheem Morris is actually having a birthday? He
had a birthday, and he lost it because the day
was lost.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
That's his 50th birthday. It's not like a small one.
It's a big birthday.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Right. He never had it, though. So, you know what?
He's going to stand around and tell everybody he's still 49. Dang.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
That's smart.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
It's weird. The whole thing is weird, but I understand it.
I just wouldn't want to be a part of it.
I'll be honest with you. I saw that there's reporters
over there and stuff. I wouldn't want to be. 17
hours on a plane? I can't tell you how many
people would irritate the hell out of me 17 hours
on a plane.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
You'd be going nuts, Pete.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Knowing you. Pete can't even say. How do you sit
down and watch a game? Like all the games you watch,
you're not the type of person to sit down for
any long period of time.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
But look, I'm always changing the channel and I move around.
I get up for a second. But sitting on a
plane is just horrendous to me. It might be one
of the five worst things to do. It really is.
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
What are the other four?

Speaker 5 (56:45):
I got to think about it, but it's terrible, though.
I mean, think about this. Think about this, though. Driving
in traffic on 95 in South Florida is never fun either.
Here's the thing about being on a plane. No matter
what you do, you can do everything perfectly the right
way yourself. Get in your seat. Get on at the
right time. Get in with the right group. Sit down.

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Put your bag where it's supposed to be. Sit down. Relax.
And no matter what you do, there's going to be
at least 10 people that irritate the hell out of
you on that plane. At least. Bare minimum. It could
be armrest seat guy next to you being a jackass.
By the way, you know what I'm talking about. He
sits there. Oh, I'm here. I got this elbow room.
It's mine. No, you don't, dude. That's my seat. Or

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he ran back in front of you. You know, that
guy who just rams it back. That guy. Then you
got the overhead department idiot. who's trying to fit a
bag in that because he doesn't want to pay the
25 bucks to check the bag. He's fitting a bag
in that should have been checked long before that. He's
trying to ram it into the overhead, and he knows
it's got to be checked. That guy. What about race
from the back to the plane guy at the end

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of the time it lands? Where are you going? We're
getting the hell off the damn plane. You know, you
got that guy. There's a different guy for every irritating
thing on a plane. 17 hours of that? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
So traumatic, dude.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Oh, my gosh. Pete, I assumed you watched Michigan, Western Michigan.
Did you look at that with some skepticism as to
how it finished, or did you think there should have
been a second left back on the clock?

Speaker 5 (58:24):
No. Based on what we saw on the TV, there
should not have been a second on the clock. But
I guess there's another view. Why haven't they shown that,
by the way? They did.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
The Big Ten released, actually, with a lot of transparency,
the camera, the clock, and the conversation. So you can
search and find that, but they did list all of that.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Let me ask you this. Did you think there was
a second list?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I did not. It looked like the game was over
to me.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
I did, too.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I did, too.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
And here's the other thing. Now we're going to have a...
moment for all the players. If they're throwing Hail Mary
and you're out of bounds, don't touch the damn ball, right?
Because if he if he doesn't touch it, there's no
way there's a second left because it hits the ground
and then it's done. Right.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Well, there's a way there's a second left, you know,
they are playing in Michigan.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
You get, you get the, you get the big house.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Don't you love a little home cooking, a little home
field advantage.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Well, again, though, look, Western Michigan got hosed. But when
Western Michigan got the ball back with a minute 50
left in the game, right, didn't they get a fumble
with a minute 50 left deep in the end? And
they didn't try and do anything with it.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Did they not kick a field goal? They just ran
the clock out and punted.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
I can't remember. Yeah, I think they were winning 9-7,
and they got the ball back on the fumble. They
kicked a field goal then. To make it 12-7, that's right.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Hey, Pete, there has been some conversation, though.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
It's gotten a little louder because one of the thoughts was, well,
you know, there may not have been a full second
on the clock. It was more like maybe nine-tenths of
a second. So would you be open to tenths of
a second being added to the world of football a
la what we do in basketball?

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I'm okay with that. Why not? That would be fine. But, again,
I don't think the way the home cooking was going,
it wouldn't matter. I mean, look, the bottom line is
Western Michigan, for them, in the grand scheme of things,
has got to be a horrible loss in terms of
going and beating that team at that place. It feels awful.

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It doesn't impact their season at all. They're not going
to playoffs or anything. Their whole thing is about winning
their conference, so it doesn't impact their season. But it impacts...
going there and getting a major upset over a program
that everybody looks at and looks at being such a
dominant program compared to yours. So, yeah, that stings. What
did it do for Michigan? They were terrible. They were

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terrible that night. So you stole one, but do you
still feel good about it? Do you feel good about it?
If you're a Michigan fan, do you feel good about
that win? No. You don't. Your team's stunk. People are
talking about the quarterback, who, by the way, they paid
a boatload of money for that kid, from what I understand.
He wasn't very good either.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
To keep him there. Yeah. I feel good about it if.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
I'm a Michigan fan.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
I'll tell you what, though. That was one hell of
a Hail Mary, though.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
It was. It was a Hail Mary.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
Pete, let's talk a little pro. You got your power
rankings out, and It's interesting. You got two AFC teams
as well. NFC team.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Excuse me.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
You go AFC to AFCs and three and four with
Jags and Bills. I found it interesting that you had
the Jags higher than the Bills. I find it interesting
that you have the Seahawks. Number one, I know their
defense is good, but that says to me, you're a
believer in their offense as well.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Well, I always start the Super Bowl champ at number one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
That's kind of lazy, though, Pete Prisco.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
It's kind of lazy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Coming from you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
100% coming from me. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Defend yourself. Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
I always start the Super Bowl champ at number one.
They've earned the right to start there. Why? Because they've
earned the right. They won the Super Bowl. They're going
into the next season. They're number one. So I put
them at number one. It's just something I do. Do
I think they're going to win the Super Bowl? No.
Do I think the Rams are going to win the
Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
I didn't pick either one to win the Super Bowl.
I don't know if you saw the video I did
last week. People went crazy on it because they said
I'm a crazy old man or I'm senile or I've
done a lot of drugs or whatever. I picked Jacksonville
to play the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Oh, wow. That's not a bad thing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
The mayor of Jacksonville picks Jacksonville. Unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
Brady, they won 13 games last year, and they're a
better football team than they were a year ago, and
yet nobody's talking about them. Why?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Well, we haven't seen any games yet. We haven't seen
any games. We'll see if they're a better team than
last year.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Well, okay. Everybody's talking about the Rams. We haven't seen
them play yet either.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, no, I'm with you. This is why, okay, no offense,
your power rankings are great in season. Before the season,
you're basically telling me that you're giving preseason college football rankings.
I would print them out, I would crumble them up,
and then I'd open them back up, I'd crumble them
up again, and then I'd open them back up, and
then I'd crumble them up one more time, open them

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back up. And then I'd use them as toilet paper.
That's what I would do with your power rankings at
this point in the season.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Well, you know what?

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
He's not wrong. But if you print them out, save
them until week 18 so you can laugh at them.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
You change your power rankings every week. We used to
debate about this back at CBS Sports.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
That's what I'm saying, though, Brady. But when you're always
in week 17, you always look back at week one.
You go, oh, my God, what in the hell was
I thinking? So, yeah, you're not wrong from that standpoint.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
So Jacksonville, I mean, I'm not saying they're going to make.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
A playoff run. It's kind of like sitting down on
a pregame show on a network before the season and
talking about who you think is going to win the
national championship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
I mean, didn't you guys do that? I got a
team still alive, pal. I got a team still alive.
I don't know about you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
Let me ask you that. Your little panel that you
have before your pregame show, didn't you make some predictions?
Didn't you make some predictions?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Is that what your power rankings are? Are they predictions
or who are the best teams?

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Well, they're kind of both.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Okay, so let's just discern what exactly we're talking about here.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
When you make your predictions, when you make your predictions, okay,
are you basing them on information that you think is
the best team?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Here's the difference, Pete, is I'm not ranking.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Who'd you pick to win the national championship?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I think Notre Dame is going to win the national championship.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Now, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Do I feel as good after watching them play Wisconsin?
I think Wisconsin is probably better than people think, but.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I don't feel like it was a great Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
Turn that kid loose, please. What are they doing? Let
that kid throw the ball more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I thought he threw it a fair amount. You know,
I think they were... Look, give Wisconsin credit. Wisconsin played
a good first half. Notre Dame made the adjustments. I
think they're still trying to discover, too, which guys they
could hang their hat on. You know, like, that's a
big thing.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Speaking of getting a gift, the turnover on that day,
that guy was out of bounds. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Do we want to talk about any other gifts that
were given?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Pete, you're all over the place, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I mean... I mean, I thought you could make a
case that there was a still shot where he was
inbounds with possession. However, when you put the two photos together,
it looked questionable. The problem is, what was the call
on the field? They called it a turnover. So I

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thought you had to go with the call on the field.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
You're probably right, but they got a gift there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Well, yeah. Anytime a kickoff bounces off a dude's chest
and right into one of the guys running down on kickoff, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
A gift, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
But the right call should have been he was out
of bounds. I mean, that was the proper call.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
He just didn't call right on the field. I can't
debate with you and you just go, yeah, you're probably right.
But that wasn't the right call.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
By the way, Brady, we're just glossing over the fact
that you just crumbled up my power rankings and used
them as toilet paper.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Only the preseason ones, only the preseason ones. Once we
get into the season, I love I love talking about it,
but not the ones before the season, because you just
admitted you only put the Seattle Seahawks at number one
because they won last year, which has no bearing on
them this year.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
I mean, it does have a bearing because I think
they're right up there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
No, it doesn't. If you just picked for Jacksonville and
Dallas to play the Super Bowl, that should be one
and two in your power rankings this year.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
They're one of the best teams in the league right
now in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
And they should be one and two in your power rankings.
It makes no sense to pay homage to last year's
team if last year's team isn't one of the top
two teams you think this year.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
It is in my book. That's the way I do it.
I always start at number one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
That's strange. That's the strangest logic to me ever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You make no logic here, Pete.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
So, Pete, so Jacksonville to beat Dallas in the Super Bowl,
that's your official pick? Has that gotten you, have you
received as much pushback on previous Super Bowl picks as
this one?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Pete is never.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Going to buy a drink at Blue Martini in Jacksonville
ever again. He's going to be a.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Beast for life. By the way, I always pick the
Bills and the Packers. I just didn't do it this year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
It's true. That was good when Rodgers was in Green Bay.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
You did. Well, and also in Love. I think Packers
are going to be good again this year. I think
Jordan Love is going to have a big year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
In your defense, I think Rodgers won three straight MVPs,
and you did pick him to win the Super Bowl
every one of those years.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Yeah. But in Buffalo, look, I think Buffalo's going to
be right there. The way I played it out, I
had Jacksonville go to Buffalo and beat them. That's how
I played it out. I had Buffalo as the number
one seed and Jacksonville going there and beating them. I
played the whole thing out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
So this is your most.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
I think Dallas is going to be really good, by
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Really good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
In your long, illustrious career, this is the most controversial
preseason Super Bowl pick you've ever had.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
It's up there, yes. It's definitely up there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
No question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
And again, because here's part of the problem with Jacksonville.
13 wins, better team, won't win as many games, I
don't think, but they'll be a better team. But not
one person on the outside really does the information, study
and looking at it, doesn't understand that they're a better
football team than they were years ago. All they do
on the surface is look and say, well, they lost
Devin Lloyd and they lost A-Chan, who was ETN last year.

(01:08:49):
They lost him. But they're not losses. They really aren't.
Devin Lloyd, by the way, is wearing the green dot
in Carolina. They had to line him up in Jacksonville
half the time. if you watch the tape.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
All right, all right. Can I make this case, though?
I do feel like it's hard to think Tennessee is
going to be worse than we were last year. Let's
just look at the division.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
It's hard to think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Cam Ward doesn't look good. He better get going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
And I think he will. No, but you'd have to
think they'll be improved. Do you think they're going to
be that bad?

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Yeah. They'll be a little bit better. I don't think
they're going to be significantly better.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
I think Indy's going to be pretty good, too. They're
always solid.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
They'll be the usual seven, eight wins, and then the
regime will finally be done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Maybe nine. Maybe nine. They get those nine and eights
in there every once in a while, too. And then
you've got Houston, which I think, look, C.J. Stroud's in
a contract year. He already turned down a big offer.
I think he's going to be at his best, and
I think that's a defense that is as nasty as
there is in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
So I just I look at the division. I go,
all right, that's me, a tougher route for them. And
defensively speaking, I think they were good last year. I'm
curious to kind of see what that defense looks like
with some of, you know, with Devin Lloyd, some others,
you know, not being there. And look, you might be right.
Maybe they are better. We still got to see it.
I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think
you can understand the skepticism of how that team would handle.

(01:10:12):
you know, a deep playoff run and then getting to
a Super Bowl and ultimately beating, you know, a team
like the Dallas Cowboys. You can understand why people.

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
Would be skeptical. There's no skepticism on the Texans who basically,
you know, don't win playoff games.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah, well, we're not picking them to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
They beat them twice last year. They blew a game
to Davis Mills. Think about that. They blew a game
in the fourth quarter to Davis Mills. Should have beat
them twice. And so, look, I love the Texas defense.
Nobody can argue that. But now we have them as
the 85 Bears right now. That's what the Texas defense
supposedly is. And offensively, you mentioned C.J. Stroud. When was

(01:10:47):
the last time he was good?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Well, his rookie year, but he might be in for
a big year this year, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
And so I think if you look at it, if
you rank Houston and the Jacksonville units, the number one
unit of all of them is that defense. There's no
doubt about that. The number two unit is Jacksonville's offense.
The number three unit is Jacksonville's defense. And the number
four unit is the Texans' offense. You would agree with
me on that? Yes. So I think Jacksonville's a better

(01:11:17):
overall team. And by the way, you're adding a shutdown corner.
They didn't have that last year. That guy wasn't there
playing corner. You're adding a shutdown corner.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
We love you. Sandman coming to get Pete off the stage.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Well done. And by the way, I'd.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Rather be a LeVar. I'd rather be right. Then, then, then,
you know, so I want to, I want to be right.
I'd rather be right of every pick. I want to
be right of all my picks, you know, like Brady
found out back in the day, I was always right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
You know, Get him on X.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
If you got an issue with Pete Prisco, you can
find it on X at Prisco CBS.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Pete, we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Thanks, Pete. Guys, take care.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
There he is, the great Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist
for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst. And by the way,
that pick, Jags, to beat the Cowboys in the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
That's yours here on FSR.

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