August 14, 2026 • 39 mins
Thoughts on Jayden Daniels not being happy with someone else at LSU wearing his old number 5. Retire the number or don’t. LSU wanted the emotion of a retired jersey without the paperwork of one. And now a teenager is standing in the middle of a fight that was never his.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
All right, welcome into hour two of the show. As
you hear from the intro, Colin and crewe are out,
LeVar and Plex are in, and we're going to carry
you for two more hours. Hope you guys are enjoying
the show thus far up and we're gonna jump right
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into it and this hour two plex. A number is
just a number until it isn't. Jaydon Daniels he won
the heisman at LSU and twenty twenty three wearing the
number five. Nobody's worn it since, and this month LSU
gave that number to nineteen year old sophomore corner named
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DJ Pickett. Jayden daniels attorney sent LSU a letter telling
the school it can no longer use his name, his image,
or his likeness. His people say the family feels quote
profoundly disrespected. Now here's the fact that decides this whole argument.
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So write it down. That number was never retired, not officially.
Joe Burrows nine isn't retired either. LSU has exactly one
retired football number, and that's Billy Cannon's number twenty from
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nineteen fifty nine. Plexico and EJ.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Pickett.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He was promised that number in recruiting. You know how
that goes.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
In writing or not?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
He was, He was promised and by Lane Kiffen, who
honored it. Brian Kelly promised it first and never delivered it,
which means he would line uh. And then Brian Kelly
got fired and walked out the door. So you got
to believe that this is a very cut and dry
situation where Lane Kiffin came in. Pickett said that I
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was I was promised the number. I ain't get the
number of Kiffin like, I'm gonna give you the number,
retire the number or don't. LSU wanted the motion of
a retired jersey without the paperwork of one. And now
a teenager is standing in the middle of a fight
that was never his. This is not about DJ Pickett.
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This is about LSU doing what they need to do
in the situation. How do you see this plexico burst?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Ah, you know what kind of feel that you know?
He'sman Trophy winner? Uh, that number is a legacy and
I get it. I understand. DJ Pickett is not the
guy that everybody should be pointing to figure out this finger, right,
just like he came out and said that, you know,
he was promised his number, and when Brian Kelly was
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the coach at LSU, he did not let anybody were
number five out of respect for Jade Dames himself. But
you know, I think that you know he does it.
It's it's a legacy for him for to be the
Heisman Trophy winner. I just automatically assume if he was
a Heisman Trophy winner that your number would not be
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worn any any any more by any other player to
come through the program. So I was wrong. But if
you do look at it, Joe Burrow's number is not retired.
Is anybody on the l s U team wearing number nine? No,
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
So no one has worn it, right, it's not retired,
but it's not It is no ever issued.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Right, So why they're not extending the same grace to
George to Jaydan Dames that they are extending to Joe Burrow.
I think that's the question that he wants to know,
and uh, I don't I don't even know if they
can stop LSU from using his name and likeness in Nils.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's going to be a conversation. But but you're right,
there are certain elements that they just cannot stop. It's
owned its owned content by the university, like the rights
are with the university or who the media rights partner is,
whether it's lear Field or if it's Playfly, it's there
are elements that are owned by the school that they're
not going to be able to stop.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Right. But Noah Lane Kiffin, he's gonna do whatever he
has to do to get the best recruits at LSU
because you know, obviously he wants to win the national championship,
even if it does, you know, disrespect Jayden Dames. Moving forward,
He's going to recruit and give out any number I
believe to any player if they are promised to him.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, it's a neat conversation for me. I spoke on
it on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe yesterday.
I'll just say this Plex, like obviously the number thing
is is something that's pretty interesting to me. I built
a brand off of the number that I wore in college.
If people are aware of it, and if you're listening,
you may or may not even known this, and you
might hear something new for the first time. But the
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number eleven at Penn State is a number that is
it's an iconic number. It is the most recognizable number.
It has been synonymously connected to the best linebacker on
the team, and then it's slowly evolved into linebacker edge
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and plenty of really really phenomenal football players have worn
the number eleven and built the cachet, built the legend,
built the pageantry and tradition that's connected to those two ones.
So for me, it's interesting take for me because I
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understood the value of my number just from the standpoint
of what I felt I could do. If I'm Jaydon
Daniels in this scenario, I don't think it's ever too late,
Plex to take a business approach to what you're doing.
Don't burn the bridge of the community that you built
two years building with like you're a transfer. But I'll
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give you the I'll give you the grace that you
transferred because coaches left and COVID so you took your
talents elsewhere. I'm not gonna call you a mercenary where
they don't have any love for you. Plus, Joe Burrow
was a transfer as well, he left Ohio State if
people don't recall that.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But here's what I say.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Where you have to really take a good long heart
look at what this situation and scenario represents. Figure out
how to head a conversation with LSU behind close doors.
You want to be made whole and respected as a
Heisman Trophy winner, which is very very rarefied air to
accomplish on the level where you win the Heisman. You've
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done it, you were a top draft pick. You have
done well so far in your career in the league.
Don't burn the bridge to the place that you did
so many great things at.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Just have the conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I hope you hear this and take it upon yourself
to challenge yourself and your team instead of sending a
cease and desist, have a meeting set up. Have a
meeting set up. Here are the things that you would
like to happen. I had the opportunity to have conversations
with Sandy Barber and with coach Coach Franklin, and obviously,
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honestly it goes all the way back to even Joe
Paterno was still the coach of the team. So here's
the original story of how eleven started to get going.
In the birth of Stick City, Navarro Bowman was in college.
Navarro wore number eighteen, all right, for the first time.
For his first time there, he wore eighteen, and some
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situations took place. Situations happened. You know, there's no reason
to rehash those, but let's just say he needed a reset.
He was going through some personal things. He needed a
reset because it was either get a reset or he
was going to be off the team. And so there
were several conversations that I had with coaching staff, including
Coach Paterno, where I advocated and made sure that he
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was being protected in his time as a Penn State
Nitney Lion. So fast forward. We spent the summer together,
We talked, We had a great time. He spent time
with the family with Trish. You know, we sat outside
in front of the fire and talked about life and
just centering yourself. When we got to the end of
that summer, stretch. I told him, let's reboot your brand
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and let's clean it up, and let's put a positive
spin going into this season with who you are, so
they're not focusing in on what the reports have said
about you off the field, but rather looking at it
from the standpoint of you are focused and dowed in
on being the best person you can be as well
as the best football player you can be. And I
told him I wanted him to wear number eleven. I
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want you so much to be related to the person
I know that when people see you, they're having the
conversation like, oh, he's wearing eleven. Oh, He's like oh,
And then it gives them the opportunity to say, I
remember who number eleven was that wore it. Originally he
was so good that it wasn't about oh, this dude
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is fake and he's wearing number eleven. He's not as
good as LeVar Arrington. They're looking at it like Navarro
Bowman is a beast, and it took his brand and
blew it up there. And it's funny because I was
called sticks. I saw him on campus with the guys
one time and I heard one of his teammates holler
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out sticks. I turned plex. I turned around like like
you don't know me, right, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You don't know me?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And and Bo was like, hey, what up right? And
Stick City was born. It became a place because it
wasn't just what I realized in that moment was building,
like giving him a new start, building a legacy was important.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
The number.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
If somebody had worn the number at that point, wearing
the number would have been cool, but the idea what
it represented represented so much more. And that conversation became
the narrative and the conversation that I had with Sandy Barber,
the then idea of the school with Coach Franklin, the
head coach of the school, and Coach Franklin and the
rest of the coaching staff took an ownership over the
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number and guarded and protected it, and we had conversations.
In fact, the people that were ending up wearing the number,
I was talking to them because you knew you and
I know we were working with kids that were still
in middle school and high school back then.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So we're doing these eight grade games, we're doing camps.
You know, people don't know this about us, but we're
going all over the country, all over the world to
teach the game of football to young people. Well, we
were with you might not even remember this. Micah Parsons
was at the under Armor game for one of our
games and was there as a future fifty and we
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had a great conversation and it ultimately led to like,
look man like be bells about the rollout. I need
a real dog that's going to go to school and
wear that eleven. And he accepted the challenge. I talked
to Abdul Carter on on social media. He was like,
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I'm gonna be the next eleven. I looked at his film.
I looked at it twice. I looked at it again, Plex,
and I was like, come on in, come on in.
That has become the trend. The latest person wearing eleven
is named LeVar Arrington. And let me tell you something.
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I ain't putting it like, you can't wear that number.
I don't give a damn what your name is. You're
not wearing that number if you can't ball, because you're
not going to mess up what we've created with the number. So,
if I'm giving any advice plex to Jake Daniels and
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his family, take it upon yourself to build what you
want five to represent as a brand, Define it, do what.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You need to do with it.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Guys still wear eleven on the offensive side of the
ball at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I don't even care people.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Be like, oh, mipaglowen war eleven mentioned Matt McCloughan, Matt
mclowan wasn't on the defense side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It doesn't matter. You don't, You're you wearing the number
does not matter. It's not stick City on the on
the offensive side of the ball. It's stick City on
the defense side of the ball, with that goon and
goblin that's putting that number on and going out there
and terrorizing people. That's what it represents. Because we have
the ability and we have the right to define what
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the number represents when it was your number. I'm not
gonna be petty and be like you're gonna wear this
in the like like like they can tell me who's
gonna wear my number. We're gonna have the conversation because
I've already defined it enough where if you make a
decision outside of what we've created, you're gonna have to
deal with that drama.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Not me, you are, and I don't have to say
a word.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So anyway, I would suggest, and you tell me like
you get the last word on it. I would suggest
in this Jade and Daniels situation, don't get mad and
don't burn the bridge with the school. You had great
success there. You'll always be a Heisman Trophy winner and
when all else fails, if you don't have a Hall
of Fame career, I'll be the first one to tell
you I don't even identify with my pro career. I
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don't even identify with it. I am a Penn State
NIITNY line through and through, and that's what I bleed,
the blue and white.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That's my deal.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Plea, Yes, yes you do. But I think it's quite
clear what what Jaden daniels number five brand and his
legacy represents. I mean, he transferred from Arizona State and
he was absolutely fantastic when he was a quarterback for LSU.
Winning the Heisman Trophy is the biggest honor that you
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can receive in college football. But you know, incoming different
coaching staff and the miscommunication behind what's what and the
number five and number nine and recruiting. So I do
agree with you that there's a better approach for Jaydon
daias moving forward. But you know, we'll see what happens.
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But I don't see anything changing, you know right now,
especially with a new head coaching staff and income Blains Kiffin,
and you know, things are just different being that Brian
Kelly is no longer in charge.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And Lane Kiffin does not have to respect the idea
just that I'm going to use this I'm not going
to use this number because of Jane Dawn.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's not his.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
He doesn't have that type of connection and tie to
LSU and he does not have that connection and tie.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
To Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So unless you establish what the value of that brand
is going to be and what it represents, uh, you
can't you can't possibly think that it's going to be
treated anything different than a number.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
All right.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Coming up next on the Herd, a first round cornerback
is facing eight felony count stretch and the defending Super
Bowl champions, Well, they just signed him.
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I mean, I couldn't tell you how much I'm impressed
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But I'm going to really challenge it right now, because well,
this is an interesting one that we're about to touch.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
On right now.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
All right, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I want to handle this one straight because well, there
are real people on every side of it, all right.
The guy by the name of a player by the
name a Terran Arnold. He was, if you were called,
Detroit's first round pick in twenty twenty four, went twenty
fourth overall, and in June, if you guys recall the
story breaking, he was arrested in Tampa and charged with
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eight felonies, charged four counts of kidnapping, four counts of
armed robbery connected to an incident back in February. He
turned himself in and he was released on a million
dollar bond and the Lions cut him days later. No
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trial date has been set yet, and he denies all
of it all. Right now, his representation says he categorically
denies any involvement and maintains his innocence, and that's his right.
And I'm going to say that as many times as
I say the charges. That is his right to maintain innocence.
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And last night, the Seattle Seahawks, the defending Super Bowl champions,
well they agreed to sign them, in fact, to a
one year deal.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
And his workout was on Hard.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Knocks, which is interesting, which made me feel like, Okay,
you're looking at them sign him. He has a pending
you know, situation legally. Do you feel like there was
a situation here? I mean, he could end up on
the Commissioner's exempt list, which is an indefinite suspension, which
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would totally like, you know, why did you even bring
them in?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Why did you sign them? But here's the question.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The football teams believing in due process, which they should,
but is it due process or is this a team
that ran the numbers and figured out that well, the
league might bench them for free. And we got a
polarizing figure to make one of our episodes of Hard
Knocks that much more compelling to watch. I mean, it's
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a it's a long shot stretch for that to be
the reason why. But we do know that football sports
is the best reality TV show and the NFL is
the best reality TV show going. What's your take on this,
what's your angle on what's taking place? Was it the
right move by the Seahawks? And just your opinions on Ontarian?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
You know, this is what I do know. Terran onno
was talking to possibly four teens. He was talking to
the Seattle Seahawks. He was in Texans, New Orleans Saints,
and the New York Giants. And there's one thing I
know about this business is that these teams are going
to do their research and their due diligence before they
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even have a meeting with the player trying to trying
to sign them if they do have some legal issues.
So with having four teams, you know, having conversations with
him to sign them, tells me that they they know
some things within you know, his case, and that his
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attorney are telling the teams that everything is going to
be okay. If these Chargers do get dismissed, then it's
a big win for Seattle Seahawks because they just lost
what Rick Wooling to the Philadelphia Eagles. Now Terry and
Arnold steps in and he's just starting cornerback. But I
don't believe that any NBA team is going to interview
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a player not knowing exactly what is going to happen
moving forward. But just like you said, he was arrested, soul,
Roger Goodell can put him on the Commissioner's exempt list,
but it just tells me that you know, this case
or charges or whatever he may have pending, that these
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things are going to go away and he's going to
be available to play football this season.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
If if you are and listen, I always say like,
there's there's certain things that can impact your career in
a way that you would have never anticipated or ever
have thought. And listen people listening to the show, they
will be like, oh, well, Plusugo had to deal with
da da da da da. So let's just put it
out there, like you have had to deal with a
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situation where a legal situation put you in a situation
where you had to navigate. What would your advice be
to Tityrian as it applies to just how to conduct
himself or what that looks like. Why you're dealing with
something that is looming of such such a massive proportion.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Man.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
I think just the day to day uncertainty of not
no one knowing what's going to happen is a mental
stress in his own and just for him right now,
the best place for him is on the football field,
because you know, you're not thinking about you know, a
lot of the things that you know people are saying
or that are going on on the outside. Uh. You know,
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some of these things you don't even have any control over.
But you know, it just goes back to, uh, you know,
what this team knows and what they think about him.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I think it's uh, I think it's a good I
think it's a good thing for him moving forward, that
that that these teams have, you know, done their research
on him and and even having interviews with him to
sign him. So so so that's a good sign for
for him. But for him, I just think for him
moving forward, you know, just you know, getting getting back
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on the football field and and showing everybody know what
kind of young man that you truly are, and and
move on from it, and and and and and go
out and play the game that you love.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
All right now, let's take a look at the Seattle
Seahawks and and let's tackle that side of it.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Plex. When you have a player that when you hear those.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Those allegations, those charges being read off, you immediately create
a mental picture of what that looks like like. I
don't know about you, but for me, I see a
person that that is ready to hurt somebody, that's that's
armed with a firearm. I see a person that is
holding somebody against their will. And and I don't even
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have to put a face on it. I have a
name that's attached to it. And so it's very hard
to kind of when you're just a regular civilian, uh
it's and just maybe a casual onlook or even if
you are a fan, sometimes it's very difficult to come
up with the right conclusions as to how you feel
about it. If I am the Seattle Seahawks in this scenario, Plex,
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I would ask myself, is Rian is Tyrian that good
of a football player? Where I'm going to take what
the potential of what Terry and Arnold's charges could lead to?
Am I am? I? Am I going to even if
he gets on the Commissioner's exempt Listen, you don't have
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to pay him for the year. Is there the chance
that in a situation like this, because that this doesn't
I don't see this like this doesn't apply to your story, right,
because I mean, you've had it, you try, But this
is like, this is a criminal This is like you
you were like you know, this is a different framing
of of what took place with the felonies. And I
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just wonder is that a is that a blemish?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Does that send the wrong message that even though you're
innocent until proven guilty, which again has to be stated
because he is not guilty, he's just been charged.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
So does this.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Hurt the does this hurt what the Seattle Seahawks represent?
Does this hurt the image of the team? Does this
hurt the image of the NFL? Because so many times
we talk about having a standard of conduct, do not
do things that is detrimental to the organization, do not
do things that are going to lead to them having
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to take action against you. And yet, whether he ends
up being innocent or guilty, these are the charges that
are out there that are against him. Do you feel
like Seattle handled it the right way?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Well, obviously they need a cornerback, so they went out
and try to get the best one that was available,
and it happened to be terrry on on them. But
I don't really think it. You know, you know, it
leaves a stain on the Seattle Seahawks based on you know,
this signing. They're looking for football player, they lost a cornerback,
and they are going to They basically put their trust
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and faith into the system and obviously they have received
some information that everything is going to be just fine
with him moving forward. I don't think any team would have,
you know, be talking to him or given him the
opportunity to sign with them if they thought that this
thing was going to go south. So I think it's
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the best thing for him moving forward, especially from a
legal standpoint. But I think the Seattle Seahawks they wouldn't
have made this move if they didn't believe in it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
All right, So Terry and Arnold, he comes from Alabama,
physically gifted guy, highly competitive. He has been defined in
his pro career as having high penalty numbers. They also
used the word inconsistent when explaining his game on the
football field. But he was the twenty fourth overall draft
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pick to the Detroit Lions. He does play man coverage
very well, does very well in short spaces, in short
areas on the field, twitchy, fluid dude, good hips, but
he has penalty prone. I just I just wonder when
you when you're the Seattle Seahawks and you're bringing him in,
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you say there's a need for a corner My question
now becomes, are you bringing him in, are you trying
to get this done to have added depth if the
guy that you're using right now isn't able to get
it done, or.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Are you giving who's going to start?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
So you're getting a discounted rate if he's if he's
cleared and he's able to play, if the commissioner doesn't
put him on the exempt list, you get a value
cornerback to start for your team with a one year
contract approved basically approved contract.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
That is exactly what to see Seattle Seahawks accounting on
discounted good young player and on who who will step
in day one and be a starter if he's available
to play, banking on it. Trust me?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
What's your take on hard knocks? We got a couple
minutes left. Do you subscribe to this? Because to me,
I feel like, I mean, your content is content right,
You're supposed to be opportunistic. If you have an opportunity
to grab a storyline, you chase the storyline. You grab
the storyline, see if you could catch it and catch
magic with it. I think that this is a compelling story.
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I think that it is polarizing for a few different reasons,
and being more obviously polarizing than the idea of somebody
who's been charged with felonies is actually been signed to
a team and the team is looking to use them.
I almost feel like, some way, somehow plex that this
is a tremendous contradiction in terms of what you're supposed
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to do versus what has been done. But nonetheless, Heart
Knocks was there to capture it and present it to
us in content form, Like what are you a Hard
Knocks fan?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You like Hard Knocks? Where you go with it?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
I have been a Hard Knocks fan, but I can
I do understand that, you know, from from their point
of view, it's all positive for Tyrian Arnold, but maybe
maybe not so much for the uh uh, the organization
and the fan base. So I've never been a big
Hard Knocks guy. I've never been on it. Uh. You know,
I believe in certain and instances that it's not accurate,
(30:24):
it's it's it's not truthful. But for Terrian uh, I
think this is any positive you know, things that he
can get said about him in the media moving forward,
it's a plus for him.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, well, I'll say this, there was a time where
I really enjoyed watching Hard Knocks. It was a very
long time ago, and I'll say that I think the
reason why I liked Hard Knocks so much plex is
because I like twenty four to seven more and I
believe that twenty four to seven is the same production company,
the same production house that did Hard So when I
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was watching Hard Knocks, I was like, man, they're doing
it just like how they would do it if Floyd
Mayweather was fighting or a Manny Pacquiao was fighting. Because
I really really enjoyed the way they broke down the
road to the fight. I just don't feel like they're
able because boxers can be more authentically who they are
(31:21):
and not get in trouble because it's almost like, you know,
like how comedians and wrestlers they get They get a
certain type of freedom to be as you know, outrageous
as they want to be, and you can't really take
it anything more than oh they're a wrestler, or oh
they're a boxer, right, or all they're a comic. You
can't take it any further than that. I think the
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confines and the restraints of what are placed on players,
the paranoia of coaches, how the owners feel about how
their their organization is being portrayed, you know, how the
community feels about it. It matters so much to the
to the infinite detail that I don't think you get
a true product that gives you the essence of who
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people really are. I think it's more of an act
when you're watching Hard Knocks. But that's just my take
on it.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, authenticity of it is missing. And you know how
these you know, practices and training rooms and locker rooms
and these things go. They don't portray the like, the
real authentic of what the NFL is really all about.
And that's that's what makes it so great to us
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as players, you know the league and understanding what it's
really all about. And it's just unfortunate that the fans
don't get to see the real part of of what
the really NFL is really all about.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That's Plexico burg some LeVar Arrington. Colin is out for
the day, but coming up next on The Herd, Baltimore
fired a man after eighteen years. That's a long time
and handed the keys to a forty three year old
who's never been a head coach a day in his life.
He inherited an MVP, a Hall of Fame running back,
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and zero excuses. And that could be the hardest thing,
best job in America or worst job. We're gonna get
to the bottom of that. On the other side of
the break, you're listening to The Herd. That's Plexiko Burst.
I'm LeVar Arrington, and we'll be right back. This is
Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
Welcome back in this is the Herd. Fox Sports Radio.
Got Plexigo Burrs, you got LeVar Arrington. We're carrying you
for another hour and let's just say fifteen minutes or so.
All right, let's jump into it. It's a short, quick
segment right here. Eighteen years. Eighteen years is how long
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John Harball coach the Baltimore Ravens before landing in New
York City to coach the New York Giants. But what
he did do was have double digit wins in six
of the last eight seasons, and well, his reward was
getting fired after an eight and nine year That happened
(34:19):
mostly because Lamar Jackson got hurt. They got rid of him,
and the man they replaced him with is the name
by the name of Jesse Mintter. Now he's forty three
years old, never been ahead coach before, and he was
the Chargers defensive coordinator. And before that he coached DBS
in that very building under Harball the brother and he's
(34:44):
calling the defensive plays himself this season plays. So now
understand what he walked into.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He inherited.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
He inherited an MVP quarterback, He's inherited a Hall of
Fame run and Derrick Henry. He's inherited Trey Hendrickson, who
they were able to get from the Cincinnati Bengals, and
twelve million dollar deal that he received. That is the
rarest setup in this sport, a team where the biggest
(35:16):
question mark is the coach, not the roster. Malaka Starks.
He told Fox Sports that well Mentor won the room
in his first team meeting, said he came in authentic
to himself. He's an easy man to follow. That's beautiful.
That's also August. Buy in in August Plexico Burst is
(35:40):
one hundred percent free. So you find out who your
first first year head coach is first time the team
loses two in a row or more and not before.
So what's Is this a great situation for Mentor Mentor
or is it a bad set up for Mentor in
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terms of him not really having too many excuses, just
like a Mike McCarthy doesn't have too many excuses and
Pittsburgh to not have a good year. What say you
to Mentor in his situation?
Speaker 5 (36:16):
You know, Unfortunately for Jesse Mentor Man, the only way
that he can win this whole situation in Baltimore is
he win the world championship. Because that's the only thing
that John Harbard did not do with Lamar Jackson. He
had done everything else under the sun except win a
world championship. So I think that's gonna be the monkey
(36:37):
on his back from day one, opening day. How do
the Baltimore Ravens look offensively and defensive the Hollers Lamar
Jackson look because obviously he's a two time MVP of
this league. We know that he can play, but we
just got to find help find to get him to
the next level so we can get to a super Bowl.
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And I think that's the only thing that I'm looking
at from a Baltimore standpoint is how are they going
to do in the division? Are they going to get
to the playoffs and make a run. Because I believe
that the opportunity that they let it get away a
few years ago when they let Kansas City come into
the building on their first AFC home championship game in
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franchise history, I believe that what started to lead to
the demise of John Harball. But Jesse mentored he has
a good young team. Uh Declan Doyle is a young
thirty year old offensive coordinator. He learned under Sean Payton,
so he knows exactly what he's doing. But I'm just
looking at the picture as a whole. It's it's it
(37:41):
is super Bowl or bust for the Baltimore Ravens based
off of Lamar and the team that he has surrounded by,
because there's nothing else left for him to do because
they they they've done everything else except when the win
the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Plex they they drafted Kobe Lane. I'm excited to see
what he's able to do. If Mark Andrews can stay healthy,
if Lamar Jackson can stay healthy, if Derek Henry can
stay healthy, Zay Flowers continue to do what he's doing.
If we're shot, Bateman can show up bigger than what
he has in years past. I just think that with
(38:18):
this offensive line, they did lose their center, but with
this group that they have, I think they can be really,
really good. I mean, they've done some good things on
the defensive side of the ball, and ultimately, if Mentor
is calling this defense, you would expect for them to
improve and hopefully that is what you see them do.
(38:40):
It's a tough division to have to be able to
improve and do well with the Bengals out there looming.
But we'll see how it all plays out. Listen, we
got our three coming your way. That's Plexico Burs I'm
LeVar Arrington and Yeah, to start it off, a legend
has retired. We're going to talk about him and we're
going to give him as Flowers on the other side.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
All right, welcome into hour two of the show. As
you hear from the intro, Colin and crewe are out,
LeVar and Plex are in, and we're going to carry
you for two more hours. Hope you guys are enjoying
the show thus far up and we're gonna jump right
(00:48):
into it and this hour two plex. A number is
just a number until it isn't. Jaydon Daniels he won
the heisman at LSU and twenty twenty three wearing the
number five. Nobody's worn it since, and this month LSU
gave that number to nineteen year old sophomore corner named
(01:11):
DJ Pickett. Jayden daniels attorney sent LSU a letter telling
the school it can no longer use his name, his image,
or his likeness. His people say the family feels quote
profoundly disrespected. Now here's the fact that decides this whole argument.
(01:36):
So write it down. That number was never retired, not officially.
Joe Burrows nine isn't retired either. LSU has exactly one
retired football number, and that's Billy Cannon's number twenty from
(01:56):
nineteen fifty nine. Plexico and EJ.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Pickett.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He was promised that number in recruiting. You know how
that goes.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
In writing or not?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
He was, He was promised and by Lane Kiffen, who
honored it. Brian Kelly promised it first and never delivered it,
which means he would line uh. And then Brian Kelly
got fired and walked out the door. So you got
to believe that this is a very cut and dry
situation where Lane Kiffin came in. Pickett said that I
(02:29):
was I was promised the number. I ain't get the
number of Kiffin like, I'm gonna give you the number,
retire the number or don't. LSU wanted the motion of
a retired jersey without the paperwork of one. And now
a teenager is standing in the middle of a fight
that was never his. This is not about DJ Pickett.
(02:49):
This is about LSU doing what they need to do
in the situation. How do you see this plexico burst?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Ah, you know what kind of feel that you know?
He'sman Trophy winner? Uh, that number is a legacy and
I get it. I understand. DJ Pickett is not the
guy that everybody should be pointing to figure out this finger, right,
just like he came out and said that, you know,
he was promised his number, and when Brian Kelly was
(03:17):
the coach at LSU, he did not let anybody were
number five out of respect for Jade Dames himself. But
you know, I think that you know he does it.
It's it's a legacy for him for to be the
Heisman Trophy winner. I just automatically assume if he was
a Heisman Trophy winner that your number would not be
(03:37):
worn any any any more by any other player to
come through the program. So I was wrong. But if
you do look at it, Joe Burrow's number is not retired.
Is anybody on the l s U team wearing number nine? No,
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
So no one has worn it, right, it's not retired,
but it's not It is no ever issued.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Right, So why they're not extending the same grace to
George to Jaydan Dames that they are extending to Joe Burrow.
I think that's the question that he wants to know,
and uh, I don't I don't even know if they
can stop LSU from using his name and likeness in Nils.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's going to be a conversation. But but you're right,
there are certain elements that they just cannot stop. It's
owned its owned content by the university, like the rights
are with the university or who the media rights partner is,
whether it's lear Field or if it's Playfly, it's there
are elements that are owned by the school that they're
not going to be able to stop.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Right. But Noah Lane Kiffin, he's gonna do whatever he
has to do to get the best recruits at LSU
because you know, obviously he wants to win the national championship,
even if it does, you know, disrespect Jayden Dames. Moving forward,
He's going to recruit and give out any number I
believe to any player if they are promised to him.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, it's a neat conversation for me. I spoke on
it on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe yesterday.
I'll just say this Plex, like obviously the number thing
is is something that's pretty interesting to me. I built
a brand off of the number that I wore in college.
If people are aware of it, and if you're listening,
you may or may not even known this, and you
might hear something new for the first time. But the
(05:21):
number eleven at Penn State is a number that is
it's an iconic number. It is the most recognizable number.
It has been synonymously connected to the best linebacker on
the team, and then it's slowly evolved into linebacker edge
(05:43):
and plenty of really really phenomenal football players have worn
the number eleven and built the cachet, built the legend,
built the pageantry and tradition that's connected to those two ones.
So for me, it's interesting take for me because I
(06:04):
understood the value of my number just from the standpoint
of what I felt I could do. If I'm Jaydon
Daniels in this scenario, I don't think it's ever too late,
Plex to take a business approach to what you're doing.
Don't burn the bridge of the community that you built
two years building with like you're a transfer. But I'll
(06:27):
give you the I'll give you the grace that you
transferred because coaches left and COVID so you took your
talents elsewhere. I'm not gonna call you a mercenary where
they don't have any love for you. Plus, Joe Burrow
was a transfer as well, he left Ohio State if
people don't recall that.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But here's what I say.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Where you have to really take a good long heart
look at what this situation and scenario represents. Figure out
how to head a conversation with LSU behind close doors.
You want to be made whole and respected as a
Heisman Trophy winner, which is very very rarefied air to
accomplish on the level where you win the Heisman. You've
(07:12):
done it, you were a top draft pick. You have
done well so far in your career in the league.
Don't burn the bridge to the place that you did
so many great things at.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Just have the conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I hope you hear this and take it upon yourself
to challenge yourself and your team instead of sending a
cease and desist, have a meeting set up. Have a
meeting set up. Here are the things that you would
like to happen. I had the opportunity to have conversations
with Sandy Barber and with coach Coach Franklin, and obviously,
(07:48):
honestly it goes all the way back to even Joe
Paterno was still the coach of the team. So here's
the original story of how eleven started to get going.
In the birth of Stick City, Navarro Bowman was in college.
Navarro wore number eighteen, all right, for the first time.
For his first time there, he wore eighteen, and some
(08:12):
situations took place. Situations happened. You know, there's no reason
to rehash those, but let's just say he needed a reset.
He was going through some personal things. He needed a
reset because it was either get a reset or he
was going to be off the team. And so there
were several conversations that I had with coaching staff, including
Coach Paterno, where I advocated and made sure that he
(08:36):
was being protected in his time as a Penn State
Nitney Lion. So fast forward. We spent the summer together,
We talked, We had a great time. He spent time
with the family with Trish. You know, we sat outside
in front of the fire and talked about life and
just centering yourself. When we got to the end of
that summer, stretch. I told him, let's reboot your brand
(09:01):
and let's clean it up, and let's put a positive
spin going into this season with who you are, so
they're not focusing in on what the reports have said
about you off the field, but rather looking at it
from the standpoint of you are focused and dowed in
on being the best person you can be as well
as the best football player you can be. And I
told him I wanted him to wear number eleven. I
(09:25):
want you so much to be related to the person
I know that when people see you, they're having the
conversation like, oh, he's wearing eleven. Oh, He's like oh,
And then it gives them the opportunity to say, I
remember who number eleven was that wore it. Originally he
was so good that it wasn't about oh, this dude
(09:46):
is fake and he's wearing number eleven. He's not as
good as LeVar Arrington. They're looking at it like Navarro
Bowman is a beast, and it took his brand and
blew it up there. And it's funny because I was
called sticks. I saw him on campus with the guys
one time and I heard one of his teammates holler
(10:08):
out sticks. I turned plex. I turned around like like
you don't know me, right, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You don't know me?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And and Bo was like, hey, what up right? And
Stick City was born. It became a place because it
wasn't just what I realized in that moment was building,
like giving him a new start, building a legacy was important.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
The number.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
If somebody had worn the number at that point, wearing
the number would have been cool, but the idea what
it represented represented so much more. And that conversation became
the narrative and the conversation that I had with Sandy Barber,
the then idea of the school with Coach Franklin, the
head coach of the school, and Coach Franklin and the
rest of the coaching staff took an ownership over the
(10:55):
number and guarded and protected it, and we had conversations.
In fact, the people that were ending up wearing the number,
I was talking to them because you knew you and
I know we were working with kids that were still
in middle school and high school back then.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So we're doing these eight grade games, we're doing camps.
You know, people don't know this about us, but we're
going all over the country, all over the world to
teach the game of football to young people. Well, we
were with you might not even remember this. Micah Parsons
was at the under Armor game for one of our
games and was there as a future fifty and we
(11:39):
had a great conversation and it ultimately led to like,
look man like be bells about the rollout. I need
a real dog that's going to go to school and
wear that eleven. And he accepted the challenge. I talked
to Abdul Carter on on social media. He was like,
(12:00):
I'm gonna be the next eleven. I looked at his film.
I looked at it twice. I looked at it again, Plex,
and I was like, come on in, come on in.
That has become the trend. The latest person wearing eleven
is named LeVar Arrington. And let me tell you something.
(12:21):
I ain't putting it like, you can't wear that number.
I don't give a damn what your name is. You're
not wearing that number if you can't ball, because you're
not going to mess up what we've created with the number. So,
if I'm giving any advice plex to Jake Daniels and
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his family, take it upon yourself to build what you
want five to represent as a brand, Define it, do what.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You need to do with it.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Guys still wear eleven on the offensive side of the
ball at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I don't even care people.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Be like, oh, mipaglowen war eleven mentioned Matt McCloughan, Matt
mclowan wasn't on the defense side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It doesn't matter. You don't, You're you wearing the number
does not matter. It's not stick City on the on
the offensive side of the ball. It's stick City on
the defense side of the ball, with that goon and
goblin that's putting that number on and going out there
and terrorizing people. That's what it represents. Because we have
the ability and we have the right to define what
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the number represents when it was your number. I'm not
gonna be petty and be like you're gonna wear this
in the like like like they can tell me who's
gonna wear my number. We're gonna have the conversation because
I've already defined it enough where if you make a
decision outside of what we've created, you're gonna have to
deal with that drama.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Not me, you are, and I don't have to say
a word.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So anyway, I would suggest, and you tell me like
you get the last word on it. I would suggest
in this Jade and Daniels situation, don't get mad and
don't burn the bridge with the school. You had great
success there. You'll always be a Heisman Trophy winner and
when all else fails, if you don't have a Hall
of Fame career, I'll be the first one to tell
you I don't even identify with my pro career. I
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don't even identify with it. I am a Penn State
NIITNY line through and through, and that's what I bleed,
the blue and white.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That's my deal.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Plea, Yes, yes you do. But I think it's quite
clear what what Jaden daniels number five brand and his
legacy represents. I mean, he transferred from Arizona State and
he was absolutely fantastic when he was a quarterback for LSU.
Winning the Heisman Trophy is the biggest honor that you
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can receive in college football. But you know, incoming different
coaching staff and the miscommunication behind what's what and the
number five and number nine and recruiting. So I do
agree with you that there's a better approach for Jaydon
daias moving forward. But you know, we'll see what happens.
(15:05):
But I don't see anything changing, you know right now,
especially with a new head coaching staff and income Blains Kiffin,
and you know, things are just different being that Brian
Kelly is no longer in charge.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And Lane Kiffin does not have to respect the idea
just that I'm going to use this I'm not going
to use this number because of Jane Dawn.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's not his.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
He doesn't have that type of connection and tie to
LSU and he does not have that connection and tie.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
To Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So unless you establish what the value of that brand
is going to be and what it represents, uh, you
can't you can't possibly think that it's going to be
treated anything different than a number.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
All right.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Coming up next on the Herd, a first round cornerback
is facing eight felony count stretch and the defending Super
Bowl champions, Well, they just signed him.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Anyway, that's not a rumor.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
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I mean, I couldn't tell you how much I'm impressed
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But I'm going to really challenge it right now, because well,
this is an interesting one that we're about to touch.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
On right now.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
All right, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I want to handle this one straight because well, there
are real people on every side of it, all right.
The guy by the name of a player by the
name a Terran Arnold. He was, if you were called,
Detroit's first round pick in twenty twenty four, went twenty
fourth overall, and in June, if you guys recall the
story breaking, he was arrested in Tampa and charged with
(18:21):
eight felonies, charged four counts of kidnapping, four counts of
armed robbery connected to an incident back in February. He
turned himself in and he was released on a million
dollar bond and the Lions cut him days later. No
(18:42):
trial date has been set yet, and he denies all
of it all. Right now, his representation says he categorically
denies any involvement and maintains his innocence, and that's his right.
And I'm going to say that as many times as
I say the charges. That is his right to maintain innocence.
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And last night, the Seattle Seahawks, the defending Super Bowl champions,
well they agreed to sign them, in fact, to a
one year deal.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
And his workout was on Hard.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Knocks, which is interesting, which made me feel like, Okay,
you're looking at them sign him. He has a pending
you know, situation legally. Do you feel like there was
a situation here? I mean, he could end up on
the Commissioner's exempt list, which is an indefinite suspension, which
(19:39):
would totally like, you know, why did you even bring
them in?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Why did you sign them? But here's the question.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The football teams believing in due process, which they should,
but is it due process or is this a team
that ran the numbers and figured out that well, the
league might bench them for free. And we got a
polarizing figure to make one of our episodes of Hard
Knocks that much more compelling to watch. I mean, it's
(20:09):
a it's a long shot stretch for that to be
the reason why. But we do know that football sports
is the best reality TV show and the NFL is
the best reality TV show going. What's your take on this,
what's your angle on what's taking place? Was it the
right move by the Seahawks? And just your opinions on Ontarian?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
You know, this is what I do know. Terran onno
was talking to possibly four teens. He was talking to
the Seattle Seahawks. He was in Texans, New Orleans Saints,
and the New York Giants. And there's one thing I
know about this business is that these teams are going
to do their research and their due diligence before they
(20:54):
even have a meeting with the player trying to trying
to sign them if they do have some legal issues.
So with having four teams, you know, having conversations with
him to sign them, tells me that they they know
some things within you know, his case, and that his
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attorney are telling the teams that everything is going to
be okay. If these Chargers do get dismissed, then it's
a big win for Seattle Seahawks because they just lost
what Rick Wooling to the Philadelphia Eagles. Now Terry and
Arnold steps in and he's just starting cornerback. But I
don't believe that any NBA team is going to interview
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a player not knowing exactly what is going to happen
moving forward. But just like you said, he was arrested, soul,
Roger Goodell can put him on the Commissioner's exempt list,
but it just tells me that you know, this case
or charges or whatever he may have pending, that these
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things are going to go away and he's going to
be available to play football this season.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
If if you are and listen, I always say like,
there's there's certain things that can impact your career in
a way that you would have never anticipated or ever
have thought. And listen people listening to the show, they
will be like, oh, well, Plusugo had to deal with
da da da da da. So let's just put it
out there, like you have had to deal with a
(22:29):
situation where a legal situation put you in a situation
where you had to navigate. What would your advice be
to Tityrian as it applies to just how to conduct
himself or what that looks like. Why you're dealing with
something that is looming of such such a massive proportion.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Man.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
I think just the day to day uncertainty of not
no one knowing what's going to happen is a mental
stress in his own and just for him right now,
the best place for him is on the football field,
because you know, you're not thinking about you know, a
lot of the things that you know people are saying
or that are going on on the outside. Uh. You know,
(23:11):
some of these things you don't even have any control over.
But you know, it just goes back to, uh, you know,
what this team knows and what they think about him.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I think it's uh, I think it's a good I
think it's a good thing for him moving forward, that
that that these teams have, you know, done their research
on him and and even having interviews with him to
sign him. So so so that's a good sign for
for him. But for him, I just think for him
moving forward, you know, just you know, getting getting back
(23:43):
on the football field and and showing everybody know what
kind of young man that you truly are, and and
move on from it, and and and and and go
out and play the game that you love.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
All right now, let's take a look at the Seattle
Seahawks and and let's tackle that side of it.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Plex. When you have a player that when you hear those.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Those allegations, those charges being read off, you immediately create
a mental picture of what that looks like like. I
don't know about you, but for me, I see a
person that that is ready to hurt somebody, that's that's
armed with a firearm. I see a person that is
holding somebody against their will. And and I don't even
(24:26):
have to put a face on it. I have a
name that's attached to it. And so it's very hard
to kind of when you're just a regular civilian, uh
it's and just maybe a casual onlook or even if
you are a fan, sometimes it's very difficult to come
up with the right conclusions as to how you feel
about it. If I am the Seattle Seahawks in this scenario, Plex,
(24:50):
I would ask myself, is Rian is Tyrian that good
of a football player? Where I'm going to take what
the potential of what Terry and Arnold's charges could lead to?
Am I am? I? Am I going to even if
he gets on the Commissioner's exempt Listen, you don't have
(25:11):
to pay him for the year. Is there the chance
that in a situation like this, because that this doesn't
I don't see this like this doesn't apply to your story, right,
because I mean, you've had it, you try, But this
is like, this is a criminal This is like you
you were like you know, this is a different framing
of of what took place with the felonies. And I
(25:34):
just wonder is that a is that a blemish?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Does that send the wrong message that even though you're
innocent until proven guilty, which again has to be stated
because he is not guilty, he's just been charged.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
So does this.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Hurt the does this hurt what the Seattle Seahawks represent?
Does this hurt the image of the team? Does this
hurt the image of the NFL? Because so many times
we talk about having a standard of conduct, do not
do things that is detrimental to the organization, do not
do things that are going to lead to them having
(26:17):
to take action against you. And yet, whether he ends
up being innocent or guilty, these are the charges that
are out there that are against him. Do you feel
like Seattle handled it the right way?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Well, obviously they need a cornerback, so they went out
and try to get the best one that was available,
and it happened to be terrry on on them. But
I don't really think it. You know, you know, it
leaves a stain on the Seattle Seahawks based on you know,
this signing. They're looking for football player, they lost a cornerback,
and they are going to They basically put their trust
(26:56):
and faith into the system and obviously they have received
some information that everything is going to be just fine
with him moving forward. I don't think any team would have,
you know, be talking to him or given him the
opportunity to sign with them if they thought that this
thing was going to go south. So I think it's
(27:16):
the best thing for him moving forward, especially from a
legal standpoint. But I think the Seattle Seahawks they wouldn't
have made this move if they didn't believe in it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
All right, So Terry and Arnold, he comes from Alabama,
physically gifted guy, highly competitive. He has been defined in
his pro career as having high penalty numbers. They also
used the word inconsistent when explaining his game on the
football field. But he was the twenty fourth overall draft
(27:49):
pick to the Detroit Lions. He does play man coverage
very well, does very well in short spaces, in short
areas on the field, twitchy, fluid dude, good hips, but
he has penalty prone. I just I just wonder when
you when you're the Seattle Seahawks and you're bringing him in,
(28:12):
you say there's a need for a corner My question
now becomes, are you bringing him in, are you trying
to get this done to have added depth if the
guy that you're using right now isn't able to get
it done, or.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Are you giving who's going to start?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
So you're getting a discounted rate if he's if he's
cleared and he's able to play, if the commissioner doesn't
put him on the exempt list, you get a value
cornerback to start for your team with a one year
contract approved basically approved contract.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
That is exactly what to see Seattle Seahawks accounting on
discounted good young player and on who who will step
in day one and be a starter if he's available
to play, banking on it. Trust me?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
What's your take on hard knocks? We got a couple
minutes left. Do you subscribe to this? Because to me,
I feel like, I mean, your content is content right,
You're supposed to be opportunistic. If you have an opportunity
to grab a storyline, you chase the storyline. You grab
the storyline, see if you could catch it and catch
magic with it. I think that this is a compelling story.
(29:24):
I think that it is polarizing for a few different reasons,
and being more obviously polarizing than the idea of somebody
who's been charged with felonies is actually been signed to
a team and the team is looking to use them.
I almost feel like, some way, somehow plex that this
is a tremendous contradiction in terms of what you're supposed
(29:46):
to do versus what has been done. But nonetheless, Heart
Knocks was there to capture it and present it to
us in content form, Like what are you a Hard
Knocks fan?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You like Hard Knocks? Where you go with it?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
I have been a Hard Knocks fan, but I can
I do understand that, you know, from from their point
of view, it's all positive for Tyrian Arnold, but maybe
maybe not so much for the uh uh, the organization
and the fan base. So I've never been a big
Hard Knocks guy. I've never been on it. Uh. You know,
I believe in certain and instances that it's not accurate,
(30:24):
it's it's it's not truthful. But for Terrian uh, I
think this is any positive you know, things that he
can get said about him in the media moving forward,
it's a plus for him.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, well, I'll say this, there was a time where
I really enjoyed watching Hard Knocks. It was a very
long time ago, and I'll say that I think the
reason why I liked Hard Knocks so much plex is
because I like twenty four to seven more and I
believe that twenty four to seven is the same production company,
the same production house that did Hard So when I
(31:00):
was watching Hard Knocks, I was like, man, they're doing
it just like how they would do it if Floyd
Mayweather was fighting or a Manny Pacquiao was fighting. Because
I really really enjoyed the way they broke down the
road to the fight. I just don't feel like they're
able because boxers can be more authentically who they are
(31:21):
and not get in trouble because it's almost like, you know,
like how comedians and wrestlers they get They get a
certain type of freedom to be as you know, outrageous
as they want to be, and you can't really take
it anything more than oh they're a wrestler, or oh
they're a boxer, right, or all they're a comic. You
can't take it any further than that. I think the
(31:44):
confines and the restraints of what are placed on players,
the paranoia of coaches, how the owners feel about how
their their organization is being portrayed, you know, how the
community feels about it. It matters so much to the
to the infinite detail that I don't think you get
a true product that gives you the essence of who
(32:08):
people really are. I think it's more of an act
when you're watching Hard Knocks. But that's just my take
on it.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, authenticity of it is missing. And you know how
these you know, practices and training rooms and locker rooms
and these things go. They don't portray the like, the
real authentic of what the NFL is really all about.
And that's that's what makes it so great to us
(32:36):
as players, you know the league and understanding what it's
really all about. And it's just unfortunate that the fans
don't get to see the real part of of what
the really NFL is really all about.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That's Plexico burg some LeVar Arrington. Colin is out for
the day, but coming up next on The Herd, Baltimore
fired a man after eighteen years. That's a long time
and handed the keys to a forty three year old
who's never been a head coach a day in his life.
He inherited an MVP, a Hall of Fame running back,
(33:11):
and zero excuses. And that could be the hardest thing,
best job in America or worst job. We're gonna get
to the bottom of that. On the other side of
the break, you're listening to The Herd. That's Plexiko Burst.
I'm LeVar Arrington, and we'll be right back. This is
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
Welcome back in this is the Herd. Fox Sports Radio.
Got Plexigo Burrs, you got LeVar Arrington. We're carrying you
for another hour and let's just say fifteen minutes or so.
All right, let's jump into it. It's a short, quick
segment right here. Eighteen years. Eighteen years is how long
(33:59):
John Harball coach the Baltimore Ravens before landing in New
York City to coach the New York Giants. But what
he did do was have double digit wins in six
of the last eight seasons, and well, his reward was
getting fired after an eight and nine year That happened
(34:19):
mostly because Lamar Jackson got hurt. They got rid of him,
and the man they replaced him with is the name
by the name of Jesse Mintter. Now he's forty three
years old, never been ahead coach before, and he was
the Chargers defensive coordinator. And before that he coached DBS
in that very building under Harball the brother and he's
(34:44):
calling the defensive plays himself this season plays. So now
understand what he walked into.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He inherited.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
He inherited an MVP quarterback, He's inherited a Hall of
Fame run and Derrick Henry. He's inherited Trey Hendrickson, who
they were able to get from the Cincinnati Bengals, and
twelve million dollar deal that he received. That is the
rarest setup in this sport, a team where the biggest
(35:16):
question mark is the coach, not the roster. Malaka Starks.
He told Fox Sports that well Mentor won the room
in his first team meeting, said he came in authentic
to himself. He's an easy man to follow. That's beautiful.
That's also August. Buy in in August Plexico Burst is
(35:40):
one hundred percent free. So you find out who your
first first year head coach is first time the team
loses two in a row or more and not before.
So what's Is this a great situation for Mentor Mentor
or is it a bad set up for Mentor in
(36:01):
terms of him not really having too many excuses, just
like a Mike McCarthy doesn't have too many excuses and
Pittsburgh to not have a good year. What say you
to Mentor in his situation?
Speaker 5 (36:16):
You know, Unfortunately for Jesse Mentor Man, the only way
that he can win this whole situation in Baltimore is
he win the world championship. Because that's the only thing
that John Harbard did not do with Lamar Jackson. He
had done everything else under the sun except win a
world championship. So I think that's gonna be the monkey
(36:37):
on his back from day one, opening day. How do
the Baltimore Ravens look offensively and defensive the Hollers Lamar
Jackson look because obviously he's a two time MVP of
this league. We know that he can play, but we
just got to find help find to get him to
the next level so we can get to a super Bowl.
(36:58):
And I think that's the only thing that I'm looking
at from a Baltimore standpoint is how are they going
to do in the division? Are they going to get
to the playoffs and make a run. Because I believe
that the opportunity that they let it get away a
few years ago when they let Kansas City come into
the building on their first AFC home championship game in
(37:20):
franchise history, I believe that what started to lead to
the demise of John Harball. But Jesse mentored he has
a good young team. Uh Declan Doyle is a young
thirty year old offensive coordinator. He learned under Sean Payton,
so he knows exactly what he's doing. But I'm just
looking at the picture as a whole. It's it's it
(37:41):
is super Bowl or bust for the Baltimore Ravens based
off of Lamar and the team that he has surrounded by,
because there's nothing else left for him to do because
they they they've done everything else except when the win
the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Plex they they drafted Kobe Lane. I'm excited to see
what he's able to do. If Mark Andrews can stay healthy,
if Lamar Jackson can stay healthy, if Derek Henry can
stay healthy, Zay Flowers continue to do what he's doing.
If we're shot, Bateman can show up bigger than what
he has in years past. I just think that with
(38:18):
this offensive line, they did lose their center, but with
this group that they have, I think they can be really,
really good. I mean, they've done some good things on
the defensive side of the ball, and ultimately, if Mentor
is calling this defense, you would expect for them to
improve and hopefully that is what you see them do.
(38:40):
It's a tough division to have to be able to
improve and do well with the Bengals out there looming.
But we'll see how it all plays out. Listen, we
got our three coming your way. That's Plexico Burs I'm
LeVar Arrington and Yeah, to start it off, a legend
has retired. We're going to talk about him and we're
going to give him as Flowers on the other side.
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