BONUS CONTENT- Jalen Ramsey Doubles Down, the NBA GOAT Discussion and Browns QB Controversy

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the Herd. However you may be and wherever you may
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for joining us. I'm Doug Gottlie feeling in with a legendary,
legendary Canadian explorer, Colin Coward. All Things Canada Today is
Colin will return from Canada back on their Monday speaking
of Canada, m joined by one of Canadian Canada's finest,

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Rachel Bonetta joins me as well, back from her Russian
tour of duty covering the World Cup. Rachel, so nice
to have you alongside. Thank you for having me. By
the way. I love that you say. What up? Very
millennial of you? Is it just kind of no? I
don't know. Listen, you have a thing, you do your
thing that's my kind of my thing. He does ah,

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which I don't even know it's not even a word,
but it's odd, but it is. It is collins Um
speaking of having a thing and doing your thing. Isn't
that what Jalen Ramsey is doing. We'll get to Jalen
Ramsey in just a moment. Eric Mangini's gonna join us,
the man genius half past the hour, Bruce Feldman will
join us as we'll talk a little college football, the
stuff going on at Maryland and what might go down

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today or very soon at the Ohio State University. We
got some gronk, we got some great Eli manning for
the first time ever with that kind of dropped the
mic quip if you will, we'll get to that. Darryl
Moorey saying that lebron is the Goat by a pretty
substantial margin. I'll give you my thoughts on that, and
we'll get you ready for a good slate of preseason

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NFL games, which, um, look, if you watch preseason NFL games,
that's cool, but do not overreact like you have to
watch them going. Don't over react preseason football. Don't over
react preseason foball. Don't overreact preseason football. Also really difficult
to to tell. You don't bet on preseason football. I'm
not sure where the pantheon of things you most want
to bet on, but somewhere in the neighborhood of w

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NBA scores are the w n B A is where
preseason football ranks and things I would not bet on.
All Right, we gotta we gotta a metric ton to
get to. I want to start with this though. Jalen
Ramsey just supplied us with and unbelievable amount of sports
radio and sports television fodder, didn't he He like, did

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our jobs for us. Listen, don't get me wrong. We
are all excited about football season because we become a
football country, and we're mere weeks away from college football
kicking off, and then a couple of weeks further away
from the NFL kicking off. One of the issues that
sometimes you run into during college football season during the
NFL season is sometimes Wednesday, you don't have the games

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to talk about, and there's not anything else to talk about,
and in the off season you're just hoping, hoping, like
this is just years of research, tonus of stuff. Thank
you very much, Jalen Ramsey. He had an interview with
g Q apparently got very comfy and started doing what
we wish guys would do. Jalen Ramsey said, what he

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thinks Huh shocker. There here's the cold, honest truth, Jalen
Ramsey saying that, um, he thinks Ben Roethlisberger is decent
at best, or he thinks that Jimmy Garoppolo is all schemes.
I guess I could say he's good. That's how dudes talk.

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That's the real language of sports. It's not about you know,
his throwing motion, his arm angles, you know his reading,
his progressions. That's how analysts talk. And that's how we
want sports to be analyzed on TV and maybe analyzed
in a boardroom for a team as to whether or
not you're gonna take a guy or not take a guy.

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But in the real world of football, this is the
way that dudes talk, right Like in basketball, it's really simple.
Guy steps on the court, shoot our no left hand
can't shoot and and the problem is that And we've
talked about this with yesterday with Aaron Rodgers saying a

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couple of days ago, his wide receiver young wide receiver's
effort in one drill or series of drills was pissed poor.
The rest of the world is so not used to
this actual discussion. Right. It's like when you walk into
a bunch of mechanics sitting around drinking beers on a
Friday at five fifteen and you're like, Wow, I cannot
believe how they sound. Like, yeah, but that's because you're

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not a mechanic. This that's how they sound, dude. This
is how Trucker's sound when they're sitting around in the
truck stop. This is how football players defensive back sound
when they're talking about quarterbacks. Joe Flacco sucks, Matt Ryan's overrated,
Andrew Luck who, by the way, statistically passerrating one seven
point five against Jalen Ramsey. Uh, I don't really think

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he's all that good, you know how to think that.
The stats would tell you the opposite. But again, that's
not even the point. The point is, at least in
the first part, is that Jayla Ramsey is talking like
dudes actually talk in locker rooms. And if you don't
like it, that's okay, because the other part is guys
arguing locker rooms about That's that's how our sports shows

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are built. We'll get to what Daryl Morey said about
Lebron James, but that's the uh, that's the jumping off
point for every argument in every barbershop or even in
locker rooms. And I'm still a Jordan guy, I'm a
Lebron guy. Some people are still in the league, are
still be guys. They really are stats be damned. They

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think what they think and there's no convincing them of that.
And Jayleen Ramsey's point is like, look, I've I've stared
down the barrel of the gun of some of these dudes,
and this is what I think. I don't think he
did anything wrong. Matter of fact, I think he did
everything right for the brand that he's trying to build.
Make no mistake about it. This is position dependent. But

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at this position, there have been guys before him, like
Richard Sherman, who have built on one their ability to
not just talk it, but obviously walk walk it as well,
but then capitalizing get out from behind the face mask.
I don't know how many of you, even sports fans
knew what Jalen Ramsey looks like. He doesn't have Richard

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Sherman's hair, and the Jaguars have been the laughing stock
of the NFL for years since Mark Brunel's faded off
in the sunset, like they have been a team that
has continually shot themselves in the foot with draft picks
that have gone wrong, with quarterbacks that weren't good enough,

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and now after just one year of being good one year,
suddenly they're the talk of the NFL. Why because Jalen
Ramsey is super, super talented. And here's the crazy part
about it. The guy on the opposite side, a J. Bowyer,
who you couldn't pick out of a lineup if there

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was like one other dude in the line up, like
a J. Bowyer actually has a better sounding name, like
a J. Boo Yer, Like that's just a great sounding
his He was created to be something cool and something
hip and something worth discussing a J. Booyer is. I mean,
like Casey Hayward, Patrick Peterson. These are the best quarterbacks

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in the business, and Janlen Ramsey is among them. But
once you talk it, after walking it, suddenly now you
kind of elevate yourself to a different sort of brand.
We saw it with Dion Sanders. He's capitalized on a
time and again from the bling he wore when he
was in college, when he was prime time and look,

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Deon Sanders was also great he's inarguably the best cover
corner in the history of the Nation Football League. That's
not for me, that's from guys that play the sport.
But he also is among the world's greatest talkers. And
even through all the mess of off the field stuff
and things that have gone on in his life that
are just blamed bizarre, Deon Sanders is still a major

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figure on TV. Why because the image and brand that
he created by saying things that he thought and getting
his message out there before the days of social media.
We we see this in entertainment and there was shared.
There was Madonna and his Lady Gaga. Right, it's like
the same plan Pink even like pinkin sing. Lady Gaga

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is an amazing musician. But you know, not everybody can
be Aretha Franklin, who passed away today at the age
of seventy six. Where you just have the goods, you
have the voice, you don't need all the dancers, you
don't need the huge show them. Who am I thinking
of the British singer um who Adele? Right? Not everybody

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can be Adele or like if you gone to it
Adele show, My wife and daughter is going to a
Dell show where it's just a deele and a microphone
and a stool and a glass of water. Like, not
everybody can do that, Not everybody has the type of goods.
And oh yeah, by the way, as incredibly well respected
as Adele is, like, I don't know how long that
lasts as a stadium show in comparison to Madonna, to

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Lady Gaga who somehow dramatically jumped off the roof of
the Super Bowl and then still survived some bad c
g I huh yes. So the point is the Jalen
Ramsey's just created himself a brand. He's achieved greatness in
now the sudden America knows who he is. Sure he's

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gotta he's gotta walk it like he talks it. And
Richard Sherman did, and Richard Sherman benefited to the point
where he's got other TV commercials. It's getting out from
behind the mask, getting out from behind the shield. It's
an incredibly difficult thing to do, but it's been done before.
It's been done in this very same fashion from this
very same position. Now is he right with all of them?

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I don't know, I mean, how does he really know? Uh?
At is? How does he really really know about some
of these rookie quarterbacks that he saw once on TV. Right,
Josh Allen didn't have glowing didn't have glowing run. He sucks.
All Right. You saw Josh Allen in college Wyoming and
you're quoted twice saying he played against Iowa State. It

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was actually against Iowa, but I believe it's on the
Big Ten network. Thank you very much for walk watching
one of the Fox family and networks. When you watch
that game, Um so sometimes he's talking out of his rectum,
but that's what dudes do, and I am not bothered
by it. This is so much better than the coach
speak or the quarterback speak and the idea that you

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have respect and admiration for every opponent. No, you don't.
Oftentimes you can't. Man, I dude, I can't wait till
we play this dude. Why because everybody's going to get
their stats. I can't wait till I play this guy
because he's gonna throw a lollipop and I'm gonna pick
it off. Also, who listens to those interviews? I just
tone out when they start talking about stuff like that.
Have you a million athletes? And as soon as they

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start giving me a very like black and white answer.
I'm like, you're wasting my time. Man, Yes, yes, like
there's there's uh you know, um and I don't know
if we do it here, but one of the other
places that I've one of the other places that I've worked, Um,
you know, you should send out your show notes at
the end of the show. And like, man, we got

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Derek Jeter at right, like Eric Peter unbelievable, or now
you get like Alex Rodriguez on like doesn't don't say
anything anything anything because their brand is their name, their performances.
They just I'm not gonna say anything because he doesn't
hit my brand. Cornerbacks are different. Wide receivers are different.

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They can talk it, they can whether back it up
or they get burned. It doesn't even matter. It does
work if you're good enough, it does work. Nobody's talking
about Casey Hayward, who's just as talented, just as elite. Uh,
a guy who you're not gonna throw to his side
of the football field for the Chargers. Or Patrick Peterson
who's been the seven Pro Bowls, three time All Pro

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and is by the way, a really interesting dude. But
I haven't heard his thoughts on Russell Wilson, Jared Golf
or even his own quarterbacks. And yeah, by the way,
I do love that that he didn't call out Blake Mortals,
but he didn't actually throw loving gushing support. He do
what he gotta do, which uh, I do take for

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exactly as it's written, as it reads as not exactly
glowing praise and tells you everything you need to know.
You do what he gotta do well? Put well put
So do I think people react to it negatively in
locker room? Like? No, I don't know. I think he
could have a target on his practice this season. If

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I was one of the guys that he trashed, I'd
be like, I got your number, now throw to him.
That's what he wants, That's what What do you think
they weren't they like the idea, This is the this
is the team, the guy guaranteeing a victory. What you
don't think You think any athlete ever thought he walked
into an NFL game or an NBA game not thinking
they're gonna win a game. Of course they do. Of

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course they do, because you have a targets back. He's
not a rookie. He's really really good. He's really really good.
Now again, Yes, our guy is gonna laugh at him
if he gets burned. If he gets sure, they can
talk trash to him. If that's one of the quarterbacks
that he says isn't very good, Matt Ryan doesn't. He
thinks he's overrated. Sure, but there is the chance that

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everybody knows he's really good. You throw it in his direction,
He's going to take it to the house and there'll
be that the confirmation of everything he said. All right
long with Rachel Bonnetta, I'm Doug Gottlieb up coming next.
Darryl Mori says it's not even close. Lebron James is
the greatest ever. Why stat Guy continues to be stat

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in the back and all. Oh, he was up in Canada,
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I only know it's not because I'm stalking him. Beaut
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little guy. Um anyway, so cow herd up up in Whistler.
He'll be back, uh start of next week. The other
voice you're hearing is out of the lovely in talent
to Rachel Bonetta will get to her with the news
in a second. Speaking of news, darn more he kind
of made some news yesterday. He was on the Dan
Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio, and he had this
to say on why he believes Lebron James is the

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best basketball player ever. You just look at his ability
to you know, generate wins and championship probability over time
and and basically break that down. And obviously you don't
have to, you don't need all the numbers. You can
watch as well and see that. But but if you
if you basically isolate that and also look at the
career he's had, you know, frankly, I think at this

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point it's become a bit of a big margin actually
where he's come out ahead. I know that's a little controversial. Yeah, No, Listen,
he's very matter of fact in the way in which
he says Lebron James is the greatest ever by a
sizeable margin. That the problem with that is it takes
away from the idea that the sport hasn't completely changed.
Stat Guy in baseball might work long term, right, even

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though they change the height of the mound. Of course,
there was a time in which there was the color
barrier in baseball. But stats you can translate because generally
the rules even though the strike zone has changed, the evolved,
the distance of the fences, the equipment, it's still would bats.
It's still a baseball. I do think they fly more.
But that's one of the things that steroid era destroyed,

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which was the historical basis of baseball. Because there's this
massive spike in the minutes like spike and then all
of a sudden back down and now back on kind
of similar trends from years past. Basketball is different. It's
a completely different sport than it was five years ago,

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ten years ago. I pointed this out earlier in the week,
but one of the things that people miss on in
discussing why Darryl Morey was able to win that trade
with the Oklahoma City Thunder and land James Harden was
because the Thunder would not part with Serge Ibaka and
and in the hindsight, that seems to be the dumbest

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decision in the history of the sport, Right Serge Ibaka
or James Harden. It ain't even close. Kendrick Perkins, are
they acquired where James Harden it ain't even close. Forget
about the luxury tax. The point was at that point
in time, in order to win an NBA Championship, you
had to beat the Lakers, and the Lakers at pau
Gasol and Andrew by him and Paucasol and Andrew bind

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Him would never play at the end of an NBA
Finals or NBA Conference Finals game at all for the
Rockets or for the worst. You couldn't have him on
the court. The way the sport is played now. You
want to how much the sport has changed, here you go.
Charles Barkley had a team in nine playing for Paul

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Westfall that led the league in scoring and that also
had the best record in the West. They won sixty
two games, all right, scored a hundred and thirteen points
a game for the season. They shot one thousand and
ninety five threes. One last year's Houston Rockets all right.

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Last year's Using Rockets finished with the best record in
the NBA. They also, by the way, UH won sixty
five games. They were the number two scoring team in
the league. They averaged a hundred and twelve point four,
slightly below that the Phoenix Suns. They shot three thousand,
four hundred and seventy three's, more than three times as

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many threes. The sport has completely changed, and so while
he's saying like, look, I'm a stat guy. I'm dealing
with wind probability. First of all, Lebron has been in
the Eastern Conference, and we could go through a time
and again, but it's basically a JV conference during the
eight years, and he played on a super team when
he was in Miami. It wasn't just that the conference

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was down. It was that he took Chris Bosh from Toronto,
a playoff team, and added him to Duane Wads franchise
that had won an NBA Finals, and then also destroyed Cleveland,
who was a sixty win team. Right, They destroyed Cleveland,
destroyed Toronto, and built up a super team in Miami

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as Boston was aging, and then eventually added Reyalen as well. Right,
so you're playing with a stacked deck against a bunch
of minnows where the Sharks are in the West. Look
for me, it's not that I'm not mobile off of
the Jordan's is the greatest ever point. Jordan is the
best player. But there's all kinds of different parts of

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the stats to which they skew to help Lebron. He
didn't go to college, so he had three years on
Jordan that Jordan could never get back. Jordan retired after
winning a championship, so you had a season in his
prime and really a season and a half. And no,
he didn't win a championship when he came back from
playing play baseball and he looked like a guy who

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had been playing baseball when they lost to the Miami Heat.
But the idea that it's not that's that's the same
stance that people take when they go well. Jordan's six
finals wins, no losses, six finals, MVP has to be
the goat. Oh basketball has never been about purely about

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the stats because and this is where basketball and football
are more like than basketball and baseball are. Stats have
changed completely changed over the last ten years. A great
season for an NFL quarterback used to be three thousand yards.
Right now it's four thousand yards. And even I think
three years ago we had what fourteen quarterbacks and there

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for four thousand yards, you can go win probability. That's great,
but similar to the Patriots, if you're playing against the
division in which you're almost guaranteed to have I don't know,
um five wins a year, that propels you closer to
that double digit win total. Look you can tell me

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that Lebron is the greatest ever because he's gotten to
all these consecutive finals, and you look at how he
carried a team that wasn't a top seed you of
the past couple of years to the NBA Finals and
they came back from three games one down to the Warriors.
That's fine, you can you can say that, But if
you want to say what it's like win probability, look
the difference between Lebron and Jordan's and even Bird or

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magic to actual basketball people is the simple concept of
you give a guy the ball. You give the best
player at the end of a game wants the ball,
has the ball, and is willing to take and make
the big shot. And there are times in Lebron's career
to which he would prefer to facilitate then to get
it done himself. Some of that did change this year

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out of necessity, out of necessity, And that's why you
can come off of that the Jordan point. If you want,
let's see what he does in the West. Granted he's
not in his prime anymore. Let's see what the wind
probability here, what the wind total is here. Because if
you do take wins you also have to take losses.
He did lose in all those finals, and he wasn't

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always the number one seed in the regular season. That
did happen, he is responsible for the losses. If you
give possibility for the winds, I would still list Jordan's
He can go with Lebron. I don't think it's a
big gap because he's using his stats to back it up.
Because if you use stats to back it up, shouldn't

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have his stats. The Rockets were right to shoot and
miss twenty seven consecutive three point shots. Those same stats
that tell you, at the end of the day we
will win playing this style haven't proven to be true.
You still do need midrain jump shots, you still do
need post ups. That still is the way to win
at times in the NBA stats be damned. It's not

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the end all be all in basketball in football, as
opposed to how it might be in baseball. Let's get
to Rachel Badetta with the news. This is the herd
line news, Doug. I think I already know the answer
to this, But are you watching hard Knocks? Absolutely, I
am obsessed. I love the fact that we can hear

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about all these headlines happening during the we can. We
know that it's going to be in the episode next Tuesday.
This is the headline today. UH Brown's head coach Hugh
Jackson has indicated that Drew stand could be back up
over Baker Mayfield. Listen to this. I've said from the beginning.
You know again, I think experience is important. Um So
right now, Drew still has that experience, and we'll see

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how that all unfolds as we go. I know what
you're asking. I haven't made that that choice just yet,
but I think his veteran presence says a lot. You know,
he's playing a lot of games. I guess a lot
of teams we're gonna start off against and play again.
So I think that's important to definitely consider. Experience is important.
We saw, like episode one, they had to earn their

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stripes on their helmet, right, is dumb just because the
helmets look a lot better with the stripes. Okay, but
do you think that this is the right call, sitting
him out, having him learn earn said stripes. I don't
think that's I honestly don't think that's what this is about.
I don't think it's about how good you are. I
think people don't understand. We're gonna talk about this with
Eric Mangini in a moment. I don't think people understan
in the job of the backup quarterback. The job of

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the backup quarterback is not to necessarily be better than
every other quarterback. Right. The job of the backup quarterback
is to make the starter better. And you make the
starter better with your knowledge of who you're playing and
how to play against them. So I think that's a
big decision. They clearly don't want to play bakery. They
just don't. John Dorsey didn't play Pat Mahomes last year
until weeks seventeen. I think that's the plan. The only

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question is because he's the number one overall pick, can
you get away with it if the Browns don't play well?
And are you gonna carry three quarterbacks? Yeah? And he
played great against the Giants in my opinion, right in
the preseason game. Yeah, I mean, yeah, so did Tyrod.
Uh it's to Rod Taylor. By the way, apparently we
were changing pronunciation. Who knew was Tarrod Taylor? Like right,
like this is this is there was a kid from Gonzaga, Gonzaga, um,

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Derek Rivo. That was Ravio rivio. Gen Rondo has changed
the prince pronunciation of his name several times. Anyway to
Rod Taylor actually played better. Nobody he played well. He's
Baker Mayfield played five years in large football. He should
be good week one the preseason. UM, so you think
he's making the right decision. If he doesn't, UM, it's complicated.

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We'll discussed. We discuss. Moving on. Eagles. Patriots play tonight
preseason game, first time they've met since the Super Bowl.
Eagles have gifted the Patriots a nice little welcome to
their stadium. If we can pull up this billboard that's
hanging out in Foxborough. So if you notice closely, you
can see the score forty one to thirty three, and

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you've got Jason Kelsey at the parade in that wild outfit.
I think this is just something to laugh at. If
Patriots are are driving into their stadium and they see this,
I think they just laugh it off. Also, Boston sports
fans are so passionate. Who owns that billboard? Who would

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rent out that space to the Eagles. I think that's
my business is a little bit harder than he used
to be. I don't know. I've heard billboard businesses a
bit harder than you used to be. I mean like, look,
if you're willing to pay for it, you're willing to
pay for it. It is like you bought a billboard
for the preseason though, and oh yeah, by the way,
yes you won the game page you got. You got

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a little catching up to do if you want to
get to the paths. Like it's so like, it's okay,
I'm fascinated to see. We talked about this a little yesterday.
It's gonna be different going into everybody's stadium as the
defending champions. It's gonna be different playing against the first
place schedule. These things are different than the Pats have
lived and done this for over a decade and a half.
Let's see how the the Eagles react to year two

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now being the hunted as opposed to the hunter. Uh.
And then finally, Genie Buss, Lakers owner, was on the
Rich Eisen Show talking about signing Lebron James. Listen to this.
It felt like a familiar feeling that when we got
Shaquille O'Neal as a free agent in it kind of

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felt the same way. The idea that um, you know,
Lebron chose to come to the Lakers, that he he
knows what we're building, that he wanted to be a
part of what we're doing. Shows it validates the work
that Magic Johnson and Rob Polinka have done to kind of,
you know, turn the tide um for the team. Can

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owners be put in the Hall of Fame. I mean,
if you look at Jeanie bus She's had Shaquille O'Neal,
Kobe Bryant, now Lebron James, all of these crazy guys.
It's amazing. Well, you know, obviously her dad, her dad
put her in charge of the business side, and then
she had to dust off her brother that was running
this thing kind of off the road. So um, look,

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I love hearing the ship back. She is hearing the
ship back. But more importantly, like, look, she empowered Magic,
she empowered Rob Polinka and and as as much as Magic,
as much as Magic gets some credit for the Dodgers thing,
it was more the other people that Magic had running
the Dodgers that you know, they they uh, they went
out and made it made a huge trade to get

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Adrian Gonzalez, took on some salary, but also rebuilt their
farm system. Right, that's kind of the same plan that
Rob Polinka has used here with the Lakers, where yeah,
their plan was a prete up cap space, but they
also have all these young players that the Kyle Kuzma's,
that Josh Hart's, the a Lonzo balls Um. You know,
they had the inherited brandon ingram of the world. You know,

(29:19):
so you're building on two different sides of it. So
like the plan has been executed before in the City
of Angels. Dodgers have won the World Series but got
to Game seven last year. So I look, I think
that she's along the right path. You still need a
little bit of luck now, but she's comparing him to
Shaquille and you know who won three championships. Cream also
came over when Jack Kane Cook was the owner. Like

(29:40):
that's part of the Lakers deal, is like the Lakers
allow somebody else to build you up and then take
you away. And do you think she's already kind of
putting the pressure on Lebron James. There's already pressure on
the Broun James. There's always pressure on the brun game.
Well just I mean, yeah, but Lebron comes to the Lakers,
there's expectations of winning a championship. Period stopped right. I
don't think I don't think there's any un untold pressure.

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Um that's uh, Rachel Banna with the news. Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd line new.
Did Jalen Ramsey cross the line with his quarterback comments?
We'll find out from our resident, former head coach of
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(31:05):
day cable television. He's Eric Mangini. He joins us here
in the herd um Jalen Ramsey sat down with a
g Q writer, got super comfortable and just went through
quarterbacks and game a line on each one of them.
As a as a long time former coach in this
league and a former head coach in this league. What's

(31:25):
your reaction? Yeah, I was unimpressed by it. I don't
know why you need to do that. I can't imagine
that Tom Coughlin was very happy with it, or Doug
Marron was very happy with it. I don't see the value.
It seemed like one of those things where maybe he
started talking the interview and then just got on some
sort of role. But I've coached a lot of really

(31:48):
good cornerbacks, really talented guys, and they never felt the
need to attack somebody else. They may talk about how
good they are, but it was never about you know,
there are being a GM or talent evaluator and talking
about everybody else. No, but this is this is the
talk of the locker room, isn't isn't it? Though? Like,
didn't he give us a glimpse into it. Again, it's

(32:09):
not there's no analytics. There's no true analysis there, it's
just first thing you think of. This does give us
a glimpse into how dudes actually talk if they didn't
have a filter, doesn't it Well, I don't know if
guys are sitting around talking like that and and talking
about the range of players in the league, maybe they're
talking about their Madden ratings and disagreeing with things like that.

(32:29):
But it seemed a little bit more malicious than than
just casual locker room talk about how you feel about
one guy or another guy. How do you manage it
when it feels like some guy, somebody's trying to make
themselves into a personnelt right, Like, Look, Dion Sanders did this,
and obviously he was successful in football field, but he

(32:50):
also used it for his second life afterwards. Durell Rievers
has used this and you know he's become he has
he has ads on TV. He look he can drow
I'm not Drell Rea. Sorry, um uh shoot. Richard Sherman,
Richard Sherman has done this, He's got ads on TV. Like,
some of this does feel like, Hey, I'm gonna make
myself into a personality for for financial gain outside of

(33:13):
the world of football. How do you manage that when
you're a coach, your member front office. Yeah, I get
that guys want to improve their brand and the rise
of social media and all those things, and I'm I'm
fine with that, But there's I don't know how many
advertisers are that excited about someone who feels the need
to tear other people down. Dion, to me, was a

(33:34):
guy who talked about himself and his ability and and
there people can really relate or admire someone with extreme
self confidence. That that, to me is a great trade,
and it's great trade for a quarterback. I don't think
attacking other people is necessarily that that same trade. Sometimes
that's a characteristic of insecurity. In terms of managing it,

(33:59):
you you know what you're getting typically when you draft
most guys, and if they have the tendency to do that,
you can't be surprised when they do that. Now, I'm
imagine that they'll sit down and talk with him about
it and and and talk about the team's perspective on
it and why they don't like it. Now, whether or
not that's enough for it happens again I don't know.

(34:21):
I would imagine it will happen again. Let's let's go
to Cleveland Browns, which again another team that's they won
won one game last two years. I do think they
have enough talent, uh to be better. In a a matter
of fact, they bring into Rod Taylor, who helped lead
the Bills to the playoffs last year. He's their starting quarterback. Um,
there's been discussions now all of a a sudden from Hugh
Jackson about maybe Drew Stanton as the backup quarterback. How

(34:45):
much of this comes down to how good Baker Mayfield is,
but how much or how much of it comes down
to what you actually need in the backup quarterback. Well,
right now, I wouldn't put any merit into anything in
terms of a depth chart at this point in preseason.
It's more of a rep chart. You're trying to make
sure that you get guys enough work in different spots.

(35:06):
It'd be unbelievable to me if Baker Mayfield wasn't the
number two. And ideally, what you're looking for from your
backup quarterback is a guy that can go in and
run the same system that the starter runs and and
not have to change what the other ten guys are
doing and ideally it's a guy who who is young,
who is emerging, who is learning um which you know

(35:27):
Baker is gonna be in there sooner rather than later.
I don't know how long Tyrodoi will last there. Yeah,
how hard is that is that to not play a
guy who's the number one overall pick, Like John Dorsey
can tell us, hey, you know, I didn't play Pat Mahomes.
We didn't play Pat mo Homes last year in Kansas City.
That's the tenth pick. This the number one pick in
the in the draft, and you're Cleveland. It's won one

(35:47):
game the last two years. The fans need hope, Like,
how hard is it to sit a guy even if
you have all the good intentions at heart and you
have a capable starter into Tyrod Taylor uh as the starter. Well,
it's the it's the same situation that they're facing in
New York with Sam Donald. The owner came out and
said that that this guy is a franchise changing quarterback

(36:10):
and you don't need to be a GM or a
head coach to recognize great talent. Sam's gonna start, and
he's gonna start sooner rather than later. And it's the
same thing with Baker. You you took him over number one.
Overall ownership is gonna want to see him play. The
city of Cleveland is gonna want to see him play,
and and season tickets are down, the amount of people
that that go to the games are down, and and

(36:32):
an exciting young player like that that gets people back
into the stadium, and that's important to the organization, it's
important to the owners. Um huge and interesting guy, right,
Guys generally like him, and he's seen, as he thinks
himself as a quarterback whisperer because he's the one that
that got Andy Dalton to be, you know, a higher
level than expected quarterback in in Cincinnati. But you've got

(36:56):
two really vivid personalities with Todd Haley and Greg Leams
as as the coordinators, and then you have Huge trying
to be player friendly at the top. What's your thought
of the personalities and how it's structured at the top
of the Cleveland Browns coaching staff. I've never been accused
of being player friendly, so that's a little bit less

(37:17):
relatable to me. But I do think that the most
important things that you're you're true to whatever your personality is,
So the most important thing is to get the guys
ready to play. They're prepared, that they understand why you're
doing the things that you're doing, and however you do it,
it's in a sincere way. So if that's Hugh way,
I'm all for it. Now. Typically with with coaches, if

(37:39):
if he was a player's coach and it doesn't work out,
the next guy they're gonna go get is gonna be
a disciplinarian. And when you have a disciplinary and that
doesn't work out, you go and get a player's coach.
And sometimes those at oftentimes those labels are misleading. You
just need to be the coach that that's sincere and

(38:00):
honest and and true to have true to himself. We're
going to see the Patriots tonight UM taken on the
Philadelphia Eagles rematch sort of the super Bowl, even though
it's preseason UM. Last year, they didn't have really enough
playmakers defensively, and they found a way to make it
work and get to a Super Bowl, nearly win a
super Bowl offensively this year, not gonna have Edelman first
four games, they've already cut two wide receivers expected to contribute.

(38:23):
What are your thought on just that the talent that
the Patriots have in in relation to the talent of
other teams in the top the f C, Well, they
have the most important talent. They have Tom Brady, So
that's that's the starting point. They retained Josh McDaniels, they
retained Dante Skarnecki, the offensive line coach. They still have
have Bill And there's been a history there of players

(38:46):
that that become household names when when they go to
New England or when they get a chance to play
in New England. I remember early on we had David
Patton and David Gibbons and nobody knew who those guys
were and they ended up helping us win Super Bowl.
So Tom has a way of making those guys into
names that we all appreciate and and um and recognize that.

(39:10):
It's it's about the scheme. It's about doing the right thing,
being in the right place, and if you do. Tom's
the most selfless quarterback in the league. He'll get you
the ball if you're not in the right spot, regardless
of how much talent you have. We saw that with
Chad Johnson. You're not gonna get the ball and it's
not gonna work. You couldn't line up in the right spot,
so they couldn't keep him, no matter how how talented
he was that given time. Last thing, Grunt did an interview,

(39:33):
he said, never spent a penny of his NFL money,
It's all but endorsements. How much of the Grunt meat
head thing is an act? I don't think. I think
that's a guy who's true to his personality. I think
that that Gronk is who Gronk is. Now, will it
get exaggerated at times? I'm sure it gets somewhat exaggerated,
and and there's a different way that you can play

(39:55):
to your brand or market or be a personality. Gronk
does it in a way that's that's not negative, and
a lot of people really enjoy it. And I think
he may play it up more than than you know
what it truly is. But I do think there's some
sincerity into what we see from him. Yeah. I would
say the same thing with Bill though right like like Bill, Bill,

(40:16):
Bill has a personality there. He may not let it out.
He stays on brand, especially at the days of the
press conferences, but he plays it up there a little
bit as well. Eric takes so much for joining us
go ahead a good time. I was just gonna say
with it with Bill, he's he's his philosophy has always
been with the media. If I win, they can't touch me,
and if I lose, they can't save me. So he's

(40:39):
not really interested in promoting any brand. He's interested in
saying as the least the least amount that he can
possibly say and and protect the advantage that he has
in terms of of what the Patriots are gonna do.
But at personality outfield, yeah, he definitely has that. But
you know what you're getting up there is he's just

(40:59):
he's not helping anybody in the media ever. Alright, last thing,
quickly got thirty seconds. The rookie quarterback, you've been most
impressed by his who I can't even go there yet.
With two weeks into the we're going to the second
game of the preseason. There's no coverages, there's no game planning,
there's very little offensively. I'd say next week is the

(41:22):
week that you really start to get a glimpse of
of who these guys are. And uh, yeah, I don't
have a front runner yet. All Right, he puns, He
punts on his first opportunity to go for to yeah, yeah,
fourth and twelve. All right, thank you for for the
most part multiplying our forces. Appreciate you and Eric, all right,
thanks Eric Manginie force multiplier, former Jets, former Cleveland head

(41:44):
coach going Strong saying I'm gonna wait till next week,
which is actually smart because you do have to see
more when people get more of a book on him.
I'm I have a thought on on the backup quarterback.
It's a job to which I don't think anyone knows
what it really els. We'll share that with you up
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(42:24):
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get a sleeve of tattoos? You can be that tattooed chicks.
You're like I already am the tattoo chicks on Fox
Fox Sports, and I can hide them when I want. Yes,
it's the that's the plus. Yes you can. You can
do smelly pits and hide them. Right. I won't do that,
but yes I could. Rachel Rachel Vanetta, who's who's one

(42:49):
of three potentially visible tattoos she regrets, Right, that's there's
just one bad one that I think is very dumb,
and I'm not going to show. He's very He was
very nice at the time. And it was literally like
a word perfect. He's like, oh, what do you want?
And I said the word and he's just like, okay,
just let me type it up real quick, like word perfect,

(43:10):
whatever aerial font or cursive font, printed it out, put
it on my body. And I'm glad that's the one
you're supposed to, the huge Jesus tattoo in your back.
I thought that when you would totally Rachel Ponetta joinus
here in in the herd um Okay, So I don't.

(43:31):
I think there are certain jobs in this world to
which people believe they know what that job entails and
they actually have no idea, no idea. I remember I was,
I was at one of the other places I worked at,
and it was NBA Draft Day and there was a kid, uh,

(43:53):
Kendall Marshall. I think it's just that Kendall Marshall played
in North Carolina, very good point guard North Carolina, and
I still and this is not a contradiction I contend
to this day. Is in two thousand and twelve, right
when that one Kentucky won the national title. Two thousand
and twelve, Kentucky was the national title. Had Kendall Marshall
not gotten hurt broke his wrist against Creighton in the

(44:16):
second round the n c A Tournament. Had he not
gotten hurt, I believe that the Carolina was the better team.
They played Kentucky at Kentucky lost in the last second
shot or had the last second shot to win the game.
And though both teams have improved, I thought North Carolina
was going to be the better team and Kentucky never
played them anyway. Um, it was draft day and I said, hey, look,

(44:40):
I wouldn't draft Kendall Marshall at all, and he was
viewed as a lottery pick or first round talent. And
my logic behind it was I didn't think he was
good enough to be a starter because he wasn't a
great athlete. He couldn't guard anybody. He wasn't a good
great shooter. But more than anything, if it didn't work
out as a starter, I didn't think he was good
enough to be a starter. He couldn't be a backup

(45:00):
point guard. And what happens in people's minds is they
think they're like, well, you're not good to be started.
Why couldn't you be a backup? If you're just this
much not you're just this close to being, you know,
end of the league starter. Well that's because the job
of a backup point guard is completely different than the
job of a starter. Now, look, I end up being right.

(45:21):
It was helped out by the fact that kenn of
Marshal towards a c L and never really recovered from it.
But he wasn't a good NBA player. He just wasn't.
And the reason was I couldn't find a place for
him because he can't be a backup. This is r
G three had the exact same problem like r G three,
and I think he has the same problem in Baltimore.
Like r G three, does look like a guy who
can still play football in the NFL could still potentially

(45:44):
be maybe a spot starter. But the problem is that
the job of a there's only there's two types of
backups in the NFL. Two one is the future starter, right,
and that's what Baker Mayfield would be, if a Sam
Donnold would was one where at Josh Allen to which
you learned from the starter and you just get ready

(46:04):
for your day. But but that window is only really
a first year or two years in the league, really,
I mean, that's that's it. You know, maybe it grows,
but you only get that when you have a solidified starter.
But the true backup quarterback, these these these Scott toll
zines of the world that aren't really good enough to

(46:26):
be started, Like why did they survive? Because the job
is different. I listened to what Hugh Jackson said about
Drew Stanton and the potential for Drew Stanton to technically
be the number two quarterback in Cleveland, and that's what
it reminded me of. To take take a listen. I've

(46:47):
said from the beginning, you know again, I think experience
is important. Um So right now, Drew still has that
experience and we'll see how that all unfolds as we go.
I know, what you're asking. I haven't made that that
always just yet, but I think his veteran presence says
a lot. You know, he's playing a lot of games.
I guess a lot of teams we were gonna start

(47:08):
off against and play against. So I think that's important
to definitely consider. So people will freak out and say, wait,
a sincon, Drew Stanton is better than our number one
overall pick. That's that's not what he said. Did he
ever say there is anything about talent. No. What he's
saying is like, look, we're playing a bunch of teams
to start of the year, and Drew Stanton's got the
book on those teams. He knows how to prepare. He

(47:28):
knows how to get whether it's to Rod Taylor or
whether it's Baker Mayfield, knows how to get them ready.
I I hearkened back, and I don't often hearken back,
but Rachel on this on this Thursday, I am harkening back.
I don't even know what that means. Um Well, the
hearken back is to look back, to think back, to
remember remember my millennial ears. Don't understand, right, You've been

(47:52):
on your phone the whole time treating exacting Facebook Live. Actually,
I G I and your friends. Sorry, sorry, it's millennial
your gene and I G live. You get your own
I G broadcast. I hearkened back to something that Derek
Carr said. I think it was last year. This is
Derek Carr telling the story about when he was named
the starter his first year in Oakland. He told me

(48:16):
that day that I was gonna be the starter, asked
me if I was ready. I said, yeah, I'm ready,
you know. And the next day I walked in to
watch film and Shop is sitting there. He shakes my hand,
he said congratulations. He said, obviously you know I'm mad.
Uh you know, I think that I should be playing
in those things. And I don't think he worded it
that way. I'm just saying, um, but he said, whatever

(48:37):
you need, I got your back, whatever you need. I
want you to know how to anybody in this building,
I have your back. And from that point forward he
proved it every single day. He was never rooting against me.
He had never wished ill will. All he did was
helped me and teach me how to play quarterback as
a professional. Right. This is matt Shop Pick six match Shop. Right,
Max Schob who was He was the backup in Atlanta,

(48:59):
became the starter Houston, and then all of a sudden
he got in this stretch there. Greg too, of course,
remembers it well. He hearkens back to the days when
Matt Shob was throwing touchdown passes again and again for
the wrong team, right to what was it was like
six games, it was perfect, six games with a pick six.
It's really remarkable where it's like one of those it's

(49:20):
like one of those, uh you got Joe DiMaggio's head
streak pales in comparison to see it. It takes a level,
it takes a level of of sucker to that we
have not seen before or since to throw a pick
six and keep your job in six straight games. Anyway,
Matt Shobs a prose pro. He became a true backup.

(49:43):
He understood, like look, a backup point guard. Backup point
guard doesn't play like a starter. Backup point guard has
to change the pace of the game. You actually have
to be many times the opposite of your starting point guard.
You have to press full court. They want you to change.
They want you to change a dynamic offensively, change the
dynamic defensively. You gotta be a little bit tougher, a

(50:06):
little bit crazy because you're missing something talent wise that
keeps you from being a starter. So your backup point guard,
you either come in and you're Jamal Crawford and you
just try and get buckets, I don't care about anything,
or you're the Matthew Dellavedova's of the world, right who
all you You just you make life a living hell

(50:26):
for the other team's backup point guard. It's the same
thing in in the NFL. Like the NFL, the backup
quarterbacks only job is to get the starter ready. Again,
unless you're that future guy that you're just you're not
really a backup. You're just the starter. They haven't named
the starter yet. So when you see when you hear
hey Drew starting Stanton might be the backup to start

(50:46):
the year, it's not because they don't think that Baker
Mayfield is good. It's that Baker Mayfield can bring nothing
to the table to help to Rod Taylor get ready
for week one. He just can't. There's nothing he can say.
He can't say like, oh that time we were playing
Iowa State, I did this, Like that doesn't help me
at all. It doesn't help and then look, there are
just jobs in sports, hell their jobs in life that

(51:09):
I don't think people truly appreciate what they are now,
and that they don't they don't necessarily mean that you
can well you know. And in television, I'm told the
A D position, the assistant director position, is really really important.
The director talks to the camera people, picks the shots,
and it's how you look on TV. But the A
D kind of sets the table so that the director

(51:31):
looks good. Doesn't mean that the a D will eventually
be a director. I'm sure most every every D things
that will eventually be a director or producer or whatever.
But it all it means their job is incredibly important.
But it's not the same job as the director. It's
just not. The backup quarterback is not the same job
as the starter. And so I don't freak out when

(51:52):
I hear that from Hugh Jackson. I think Hugh Jackson's
lived understands this league. And and Todd as much as
Toddy Lee has been an offensive coordinger has been a
head coach. You know what, he hasn't in this league.
He hadn't been a quarterback in this league. Whereas Drew
Stanton has us him for all the information to prepare him.
And then like eventually when Baker Mayfield becomes the starter,

(52:14):
which is merely a formality what happens in week one
or week fifteen or doesn't happen until next year, then
you hope that Tyrod Taylor can either be that guy
or you have Drew Stanton to be the consummate backup,
only trying to help the guy, only trying to help
the starter, which again is my fear for r G
three and it's the reason that Conn Kaepernick is not

(52:34):
a backup in this league. This is I implore you
if you cover the NFL and you're one of these
guys that is so woke that you watch these backup
quarterbacks like he sucks, he sucks, he sucks. Why isn't
Kaepernick is better? Kaepernick is? But nobody's arguing Kaepernick is better?
Is there the protest part? And that's gotten in black balled. Sure,

(52:54):
that's part of it, but part of it is his personality.
The reason he lost his job in San Francisco to
begin with was he wasn't about everybody else, had his
headphones on, was about himself. And then when you when
he goes and meets with Seattle last year. They even
said he's just he's a starting quarterback. The translation to

(53:15):
that is, he's not about getting Russell Wilson ready. He's
not about He's not about what can I do to
make Russell Wilson look good or to make any other
start to look good. You factor in that with the protest,
with the idea that uh, you know, Twitter might explode
not if you sign him, but then if you cut him.
M You factor all those things in and you're like, oh, well,

(53:35):
that's why he's not a backup. It's not because he's
not any good. And now he hadn't played football aviously
in a year and a half. You start running out
the clock on him. A little bit a right coming
him next, Dak Prescott had lost his mind? Lost his mind?
Huh casual casual lost his mind? That is that a

(53:55):
millennial word? Is that I'm not I'm not catching up.
But how casual fits Dak Prescott losing his mind? Just
the way that you said it, Dak, it was a casualties. Listen,
I'll teach you everything. Stick with me. Also hate the
fact that he said woke. Can we cross that off
the list? Come on, now it's already woke is jumped
the jump the jump, jump the shark for you? Really,

(54:18):
I think so. But when I say what I say media,
people say woke. I didn't say you did. But I'm
describing people as woke people. You know, there are people
who all they do is troll social media all day
for something that will somehow offend them and automatically respond
without any context, without any knowledge of the situation. Right,

(54:38):
those are the people that are woke. Okay, it's a
fair description. This was me when you said woke. Note
to self, don't say woke. Find a new word, Dak Prescott.
Do you want me to do less? Casual? Lost? Okay,
there we go. That's another channel that does that. By

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Nate Robinson, perfect example. We talked about you know where
uh he gets he's the He was a really good
backup point guard because he could change the pace, because
he could press, he could score, you'd go get buckets.
He just wasn't really a starter, whereas Baron Davis was
a starter, was an all star. Kind of completely different
makeup of of player. Baron Davis I think could have
been a superstar in the NBA. It was a star.

(56:50):
Could have been a superstar in the NBA. Sometimes some
weight issues, the knee. I thought of U c. L A.
He was still a great players Austin to watch him
with the Big Three. Can't wait to see who's in
the championship, which is in Brooklyn next week on Fox
next week on Fox. So Dallas tomorrow next week on
on Fox from Brooklyn. Big Three is a hoot. Uh,
it's a thing. We're going to trade spaces and I'm

(57:11):
gonna say something like hoot. Yeah, but that's one of
the oldest one ship is a fight at Donny Brook
now the Big It's a lot of fun. Though I
covered it last summer. It was it was a good time. Yes, yeah,
there was a fight over idea game yesterday, a real

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what's your brand, Rachel? I think your brand is uh sarcasm?

(57:55):
Your brand is You're definitely your brand is millennial? Um? Like, honestly, like,
what's your brand? What's my brand? Uh? Is it cheesy
if I just say like real real? I just try
to keep it real. And I've tried to keep it real.
That's why I don't like. That's why I don't continue
to use words like woke, right, Like, Oh, that's the

(58:16):
word that you would that millennials won't use. Guess what,
I'm not a millennial. I'm not gonna write I'm not
gonna grow a beard and roll up my roll up
my jeans and um and live in Brooklyn. That's not
what I'm gonna do because I'm not a millennial. Yeah,
I suppose I I am very much a millennial. Yes
were you born in this millennium? Do you want to
know what year I was born? I don't know. But
isn't that the definition of millennial? What's the definition? It

(58:40):
goes to? Like the eighties, millennial goes back to like
technically I'm thirty two, I'm happy birthday again. We wish
you happy birthday yesterday. Technically a millennial, but I'm not
at all a millennial. Wait, so what is the actual
definition of millennial? Adre just twenty two to thirty six?
So do the map with the year? So I missed
out and one of one of my generation, my Jen

(59:03):
gen X that was it was gen x before it
was millennial. Yeah, is it gonna flip back over? It
is like the next one gonna be jen A like
I would just start back over? How does it? Honestly?
How does that work? Like? When do we run out
of generations? I have no idea. I don't either. After
millennials is going to be something crazy? What is the
Where does millennial come from? Millennial? You came of age

(59:24):
in the in the two thousand's, is that what it is? Probably?
Coming of a coming of age tale? Is that what
it is? I guess it's a coming of age tale millennials.
By the way, super in Friends, which my Jen kind
of kind of kind of calls that's like, that's like
our deal and a little bit older than media Friends
the show. Yes, I think it's a number one downloaded
show on Netflix. Yes, I mean I love Friends, I

(59:46):
do too. Favorite episode. Favorite episode I think the last
one when Rachel goes to Paris Ross Like, Rachel, we
have really gotten off topic here, We have really gotten
off topic. It's okay. The point was actually the fact
that we get off topic. And your your Canadian wit
and humor, your realness is your brand, which is kind

(01:00:08):
of actually what I wanted to get to with Rob Gronkowski.
I don't know if you guys saw this, but Gronk
did a sit down interview with um it's what is
it called the undisputed? That was that was that was
called uninterrupted. Sorry we have undisputed. I didn't know if
they copied the name whatever. Uninterrupted. Uninterrupted is a really
weird name anyway. Does it feels like a double negative

(01:00:30):
even though it's not a double negative? Is it a
double I don't know. And he was to take a listen.
He was talking about the rumor or the story out
there that he has never spent a dime of the
money he actually made in the National Football League. It's
interesting you talked about once that you only spend money

(01:00:52):
from endorsements, you hadn't touched in your NFL contract money.
Is that's still true. It's still true. Yeah, if you
see my NFL money, well how much I may I
got way more than that, baby. Yeah, he's made forty
five million in his NFL career. UM Gronk said, Uh,
they hounded us on school, talking about his parents hounded

(01:01:12):
us on school, and that he's that this is kind
of it's a little bit off brand to even admit that,
but that I actually cements to me. Do I think
he is has meat head in him? Sure? Right, Like
I've met his family, I've seen them on TV. Um,
apple trees make apples. It we all realize, like that

(01:01:37):
is a that is a house household, to which bro
Is said, a lot in it. It just is that said,
some of this is playing up to his brand, right,
my brand is kind of meat head. You can't play
for the Patriots if you don't have a high football
i Q. You just can't, especially playing on the offensive
side of the football. Eric Mangini joined us last hour

(01:01:59):
and he said, you know, done out about your talent.
Chad Johnson was a perfect example. Chad Johnson couldn't remember
where to line up. It sounds so easy, it is
in fact complicated. You do have to study, but you
also have to have a football like you. And so
I think when you hear that, you're like, man, that's
really really smart. I don't think he's a complete idiot.

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I think some of it is that's his brand. His
brand is I'm gonna be the big meat head dude.
I kind of come from that kind of family. But secretly, secretly, financially,
his house is completely in order. Now. If anybody thinks
that he doesn't need the football money, that he's gonna
not play for long, like Gronk's gonna shut it down there.

(01:02:39):
Drew Rosenhouse was hired as his agent two years ago.
You don't hire Drew Rosenhouse as your agent unless you're
looking to get every last dollar out of your football career.
That's that's that's just a known fact. It's a lot
like like when you hire Scott Boris as your agent
in baseball, you're like, I'm gonna fire my agent hire
Scott Boris. You're not You're not looking for a hometown discount.

(01:03:02):
You know, nobody goes like, well I got Scott bors
but I'll take a hometown discount. No, Scott Borris is
gonna write a book about how great you are, and
then they're gonna take every possible Major League Baseball team,
hold them upside down, and shake them for as much
money as they're worth. And whoever has the most money
that falls out of their pockets, that's where you're going.
That's what happened with Bryce Harper this offseason. So I
don't think this means that Gronk has protected himself. I

(01:03:25):
think it means that Gronk completely understands that there's there
is strength in this brand. Like look, Jessica Simpson didn't
come across as the sharpest knife in the drawer right
when they had that When when when she had a
reality show? Remember what buffaloes don't have wings? Remember the
buffalo wing common? But Jessica Simpson's actually financially pretty smart lady.

(01:03:50):
Even the Kardashians, a lot of that thing is played
up like there's a little financial genius, a little idiot
savant there to to what they do. Like, playing dumb
actually sells. Playing smart doesn't sell. People feel intimidated by
bright people. They just do like you want. It's like
a whole idea of dumbing it down. Do I mean, look,

(01:04:11):
the guy who the guy who is occupying six Pennsylvania Avenue.
He figured this thing out. Change your language, use more
average terms. I don't know if whether it was this
is actually how he speaks or how he's been told
to speak. Maybe a little bit of both. But it
does play. It does work, whereas when you try, like, look,

(01:04:34):
President Obama was brilliant, but brilliant can be boring. I
just can. And I think Gronk gets it. He gets
his brand. The brand is meathead, catch football, spiked football,
meet Gronk, love to party. I don't think that's necessarily
who he truly is. But I think he understands the
profitability of it. So are you saying that he is

(01:04:56):
some kind of genius underneath this? I don't think he.
I look, I think he's a less money than he
lets on, right, Can I say that when you're making
that much money? He says, he's only spending his sponsorship money.
That's probably easy to do. Yes, of course, when you're
drunk and you play, and you play the happy, go
lucky guy, like you're not ever picking up the tab right,

(01:05:17):
like you can just you don't have to buy beers. Right.
But even if he is, he's probably totally set with
just his sponsorship money. Yes, it also shows how dumb
other guys are, how wasteful other guys are. Yeah. Absolutely,
let's get to Rachel Bonetta with the news. This is
the Herdline news Raiders Skalil mack is. His holdout is

(01:05:39):
twenty days in counting. He wants a longer contract, more money, etcetera, etcetera.
Media has been asking Raiders coach John Gruden if it's
a distraction. This was his response. I don't think he's
been a distraction. You know, it's obviously been for me.
You know, it's been disappointing, you know, obviously, you know
you want to have your best player here. This guy

(01:05:59):
is a really great guy too. So it's at this
point and we don't have him here. We're gonna try
to get him here as soon as we can. But
in a time, man, you know, you gotta move on.
You gotta you gotta get up, you gotta go to work.
And that's one thing I'm very proud of. But what
we've done here, it's safe to say that the Raiders
need Mac safe to say they do. But remember Clill Mac.

(01:06:19):
He didn't have anywhere he can go, right. He's under
contract for this year. They can franchise tag in the
next two years. He can't actually go anywhere. You and
I wish John Gruden would say, like, I mean, we
are totally focused. He is not a distraction, Okay, but
hold on. My question is like, do you think that
this is a Mac problem? Do you think he's coming
across a little greedy He should just you know, play
the sport that he loves. Or do you think it's

(01:06:40):
a team problem. He was Defensive Player of the Year.
They should meet his needs. They need him. They can't
though they don't have the salary cap room and they
don't have the cash. He's just going to hang out. Also,
the team hasn't spoken to his representation since February. He's
under contract with thirteen million. They don't have to. They
don't have to. I'm like, listen, if you don't like

(01:07:00):
the way the collectivearning agreement works, that's cool, that's fine.
Take it up with the NFL p A, you're under
contract for thirteen million dollars this year at thirteen and change,
and if we can't come to terms on a new
deal next year, then you're gonna be under contract for
I think it's like seventeen or eighteen would be the
average of the top five salaries plus or increase, whichever
one is greater. Anyway, he's gonna make a lot of

(01:07:21):
money the next two years if he didn't like it,
and then it hurts him against the cap some But look,
the Raiders. Some of this is the Raiders. They did
screw up in how they spent their money and they
got a little bit back from Donald Penn two days ago.
But some of this is Khalil Mack having to understand, like, look,
you have two choices. Suck it up, come back, play football,
make thirteen million dollars and can and and operate in

(01:07:43):
good faith and say hey, eventually I'm gonna get paid,
or turn down the money and just wait and force
them to trade you for for or force them to
give you a new contract. That's yeah, that's that's the choice. Up. Yes,
they went to that stadium, which stadium Raiders, Oh it's
a dump well, I mean plus you know, like when

(01:08:06):
the A's played there the seward, it's awful. It's like, look,
there's a reason they left the first time. It's bad.
And they came back and like, well, we'll build your
Mount Mount Davis that. Yeah, but they didn't fix the
inner workings of the city. Like no one thinks that
stadium it's it's just character does not have character. Actually
it's it's it's retro. It's like nineties, back when the

(01:08:28):
nineteen seventies when they tried to make these uh multi
sports stadiums. Right, it's like the last of its kind.
Every other one has been imploded except or changed except
for that one. Okay, moving on ENA's cantor former Kevin
Durant teammate's move over to the next. Now he is
still bitter about Durant leaving. Watch this hilarious video. Okay,

(01:08:52):
you have my man, you go home, pick that shirt
and vernic please if you give me a last jersey,
l I got you. Doesn't even put up a fight.
The kids just like all right, is he gonna get
a jersey out of the deal. Jersey way more valuable

(01:09:14):
than a T shirt. That's a smart kid. But like ghetto.
Not not a millennial generation, a starting back over cancer.
Needs to get over it now. Absolutely, he's not even
remember the thunder anymore. That's that's the great part about it.
Like he loved him so much. Oh anyway, Okay, finally

(01:09:36):
Braves Marlin's they played last night. I love a good brawl.
I love a good sports fight. So picture Jose Rainya
hit Ronald Kuna with the ball. He was on a
three game streak of leadoff home runs. First pitch of
the night. It was the hardest this guy has ever
thrown miles per hour. I think he did it on purpose.

(01:10:00):
Of course he did it on purpose. Of course you did.
I think this kid, this kid, he and the Soto
kid from from the Nationals are up for Rookie of
the Year. Right. He's hit home runs in five straight games.
He's a freak little flamboyant bat flip guy, which I
don't love in baseball. This is baseball policing itself. And
it hit him on the elbow, but it was designed
to hit him right, like right in the mid section.

(01:10:20):
That's where you're supposed to hit a guy. So yeah,
it was a purpose pitch. This is baseball, like that's
a baseball. Can you get away with these things because
if you don't like it, they just go, Hey, that's
that's baseball. You don't understand. That's base The whole the
whole bench cleared. Yeah, look at that. But you know
what happened is the Braves won the game. So that's
a lot like uh will hunting and the famous line

(01:10:40):
which I told you? Or who'd we inform in the
dressing room? Who was in there in the dressing room?
We didn't know the line? She was working with you
you don't even know her name? No, I don't. I
don't know what you're talking about? When I, uh, I
really don't you like apple? Do you like apples? Oh?
I knew that was from good Hunting. You're not even
you stop listening to me anyway. Who did I inform

(01:11:03):
that where that line came from? Carlen? Yes? Was that Carlen? Okay,
So Carlen did not know because she's a millennial, did
not know where that line came from. So the Braves
won the game. How you like them apples? No? Too hard?
Too much of a stretch, all right? That's uh Rachel
Bana with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks

(01:11:27):
for stopping the Herd line news. Is Maryland gonna fire
DJ Durkin before the season ever begins? And where are
we with this Ohio State thing? And can we just
get to the football season with no more controversies? We'll
ask Bruce Feldman, who was at a practice and also
a runway yesterday covering college football. He'll join us next

(01:11:47):
in the Herd. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week within the
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on demand whenever you like. Doug Gottlieban for Colin. This
is the Herd. We are today is Thursday, right, Thursday,
the sixteen sixte Okay, so by my clock we are

(01:12:12):
exactly two weeks away, two weeks away from today college
football on Fox Sports one. A matter of fact, my
own mother Oklahoma State taken on. It's Missouri State now,
but to those of us in the now, it's still
South Missouri State. Like it's SMS whatever. You want to
be a Missouri State, fine, Like Missouri State will never
be Ohio State whatever. It's Springfield is a great place.

(01:12:32):
They put a ton of money into basketball and football,
but it's it's it's not Missouri State like a Kansas
State is a to a Kansas anyway. So we're two
weeks away. But just like basketball season last year, college
basketball season with the with the FBI scandal that rocked it.
Now we have Ohio State and Urban Meyer on paid

(01:12:52):
administrative leave and d J. Durkin, who's Maryland's head coach,
who's also on paid administrative lead. Bruce Feldman. Uh Is
is a talented writer and of course uh does sideline
work for college football on Fox. Uh he's a reporter
for the Athletic He joins us now in the Herd
here on Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports One. I

(01:13:13):
will point out that I got it wrong. It was Monday,
Monday right that you were at del Bulka Vista Phase two. Um,
that's when you were at Lane Kiffin's practice in Florid.
Atlantic opens up at Oklahoma. But there's like a runway
right next to their practice field. Yeah, it's probably about
from the picture of me to that Lane Kiffin picture

(01:13:34):
right now. I mean it's really close. It's just on
the other side of their practice field. Plane small planes
are landing like every five minutes, so they're used to it.
But for me, I was just like, wow, this is different.
It's like the football version of uh St Martin's right
the the the island right where they have that. You
can be on the beach and the jets come right
overhead and people I've all I've seen it in pictures,

(01:13:54):
like you know, you know if he's practices a little
like that where planes fly over it. But this is
like they are literally ran and in right next to you.
By the way, at the place we both used to work,
I swear to you. One time they put me at
the Amarra Suits in Las Vegas, like there's like there's
not a hotel room in Vegas. Me and Dave Revson
from Big ten Network, we're doing a UNLV game and
we're staying at the Amira Suits, which is basically right

(01:14:16):
in the runway if you're coming down in Vegas landing
in Vegas later on to day, Like someone actually was
paid to stay there on a in a TV job, right,
everybody thinks TV jobs are glamorous to stay at the
meryor suitets and in Vegas. All right, let's get to
uh Let's get to Maryland because we have more information now.
The strength coach has been fired. The head athletic trainer
has been fired. Um, technically the strength coach has parted ways.

(01:14:38):
He got a severance of three d around three hundred
thousand dollars. I would imagine there's probably a non disclosure, nondisclosure,
non disparagement tied to that. But so he technically wasn't fired.
But you have this press conference on Tuesday where the
A D. Damon Evans, who by the way, was lost
his own job at George for his own scandal. Uh,
and the president, I thought, took a surprising step forward,

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at least in some level of accountability, because usually at
those kinds of things, the schools try to steer clear
of any kind of legal entanglement where it's gonna up
the price tag on what's gonna come in some kind
of settlement. They didn't do that, and things are seemed
to be proceeding down this this investigation in a hurry,
all right, and I'll give I'll give people the short,
quick kind of bullet points. Right. Okay, So George McNair

(01:15:25):
was a red shirt freshman, very highly touted. That doesn't
matter because he died like it was a terrible player.
Doesn't matter. But a really talented kid, and they did
wind sprints at the end of a series of workouts
and it was eighty degrees so it wasn't like ridiculously hot.
But at the end of it he started up what
I would call bunk out right, he started not be
able to do it, and the head athletic trainer, right,

(01:15:46):
that's the guy who's in charge medically of it, was
heard yelling like get his ass across the field, and
other football players dragged him across the field at some point,
Um he may have had a seizure, may not have
the seizure, but didn't receive the proper medical care. Goes
to the hospital, they called the ambulance an hour later,
an hour after the workouts, where his body temperature is

(01:16:09):
a hundred and six. A couple of weeks later, he
actually dies from from heat stroke. And then there was
an ESPN dot com piece that goes back and says, hey,
the strength coach, the culture of it, the things they
were saying, the way they were treating these kids, toxic culture.
Was a toxic culture. Um, but okay, so there's DJ Dirk,
he has only been there a couple of years. Will
must Champ comes out and defends I didn't like the idea.

(01:16:32):
You don't like unnamed sources, Like, what do you think
deep Throat was? He was unnamed source? But um, how
much is DJ Dirkin responsible for a workout that he's
not allowed to attend? Yeah? I think what's you We've
seen stories of investigations into head coaches. Tim Beckman lost
his job at Illinois for alleged player mistreatment and abuse.

(01:16:54):
There was a similar allegations about Kevin Wilson Indiana. Also
in the Big tend by the way, Uh, you know
Mark Mangino who had a pretty successful run of Kansas,
he was forced out after a lot of allegations. What's
different in this case is you had a tragedy attached
to it, and I think that put a lot more
chips on the table here. You have a lawsuit that

(01:17:17):
is likely coming down the pipeline. It is gonna get
really messy there. And I think what the question is
going to be, and this is from talking to some
people who have worked there at Maryland, is what is
the line in terms of everybody's line is different where
you feel like that is unacceptable treatment Because there's a
lot of people and you can go back years I

(01:17:38):
remember this was this was this is something buddies of
mine would talk about. When Mike Stoops got the job
head coaching job at Arizona, it was like eleven different
media people went out there to do their Mike Stoops
story and there was always some puke bucket story which
was like how they pushed people who they pushed them
to limits they had not been because everybody was soft.
And that is laying down the culture and pushing people,

(01:17:58):
and it's it's romanticized a large degree in athletics. If
you want to go back to the Bear Bryant Junction
Boys stories, there's a lot of those. Uh. But in
terms of where the line is, and I think that's
a valid question and what is the expectations here? You know,
the people I've talked to have said, okay, do you
The line in their mind is when you cross it

(01:18:20):
is when it becomes more demeaning than just being demanding,
and when it gets really personal and nasty. And if
that's the tone around the program, you know, why were
these trainers who who at the press conference school president
admitted really dropped the ball. Why did these trainers who
should have known better? Where where did they have such

(01:18:41):
a lax judgment and was this something bigger because of that?
And it's it's a really interesting story because now you
have a lot of players on both sides of this.
You had players who who who were spoke anonymously and
former coaches who worked at Maryland in the ESPN dot
com store. But now you've had a lot of players
speak up with their names attached to it, talking about
their experiences with d J. Durkin and the parents experiences.

(01:19:04):
So I think it's gonna be very hard for the
university to try to sort that out. I also think
there's the part of it, and we saw this at organ.
Willie Tagger was only organ for one year, but when
he first got there, right, they had two guys have
to receive medical treatment for a couple of weeks right
whether there there there they had these tissue injury with
the tissue is like eating itself and it was because

(01:19:25):
they again same thing, try to push him past these
limits and we've all been there. As an athlete, you
have to you learn your body, your mind says no,
and you have to kind of push your body past
this threshold. But there is there's this this safety element
to it. But we all know, like every coach that
comes in says, you guys lost because you're soft and
we're gonna we're gonna toughen you up. Okay, let me
quickly transition as will wait and see on d J.

(01:19:47):
Durkin's fate. What do we know about where Ohio State
is right now? Well, the deadline that the investigation was
set for should be this Sunday, you know, I mean
it's any time within the next ninety six hours. We're
expecting to find out what they have determined from their
investigation into whether urban Meyer did in fact follow the

(01:20:08):
protocols and procedures that he said he did do when
he issued that that statement from his own personal Twitter
account about two weeks ago. And I think from talking
to people around this story, and again it's not people
who are investigating, but people around it, I think there's
a lot of people who feel like there is an
increasing increasing chance that he's going to retain his job.

(01:20:32):
Uh that that a lot of people are gonna say, hey, look,
did he do the right thing? Technically? He technically he did.
Now the part of the investigation is to find out
what did he know when he knew about and then
what did he do about it. And I think some
of this stuff that's been swirling around around the Urban
Meyer Ohio State investigation has been related to Zack Smith,

(01:20:52):
who's the fired UH receivers coach in question with these
allegations UH public publicity wise, it didn't help that the
Toledo Blade on Earth they a d u I um
d u I from a couple of years ago, and
it just it was one more, one more thing that
I think people will say whether urban Meyer keeps his

(01:21:13):
job or not. But if he does keep his job,
people are gonna go, what was the reason why you
kept him on? And then what exactly was it that
you determined that's why you fired him. Now, we don't
know a lot of the particulars on that. Do we
know whether when they confronted Zack Smith was this was
he not truthful about it? Did they catch him in lies?
Is that what changed the night before big ten media

(01:21:36):
days when this all really blew up. UH. We don't
know a lot of that, and hopefully when this investigation
is concluded, we will get some measure of transparency to
find out because there's a lot of unanswered questions about
there's a ton a ton of answer and answered questions.
And I agree and I said at the time on
this show with Colin that what did he know? When
did he know? What did he do about it? And

(01:21:57):
we we got to take a breath and allow kind
of the facts to come out. Right, there is some
due process. On the other hand, like I get that
head coaches have to lie about things in recruiting and
occasionally to the media, even Nick Saban of course the
the all time Lieum. I will hey, right now, I'm
not be head coach at Alabama, but that sort of
lie in the stance than which he is that as

(01:22:18):
great a coach as he is, is that really how
you want your university to be represented? That that's another
question I don't think, well, how the state answers properly
if he keeps his job, Yeah, I think the question
is gonna be Look, if urban Meyer he keeps his job,
I think there's gonna be a large portion of people
who are going to think he's been exonerated for that
and all the other stuff about whether he quote unquote

(01:22:39):
lied to the media. Big ten media days. They'll get
over that. Um, the question I think that will hover
around it. And I think unless you're in Ohio State fan,
you'll be cynical about is you know, two of his
biggest tenants, you know, the biggest tenants of his program
that he's claimed has been honesty and zero tolerance towards
violence against women. And these are the issues that are

(01:23:00):
ring over him right now with the Zach Smith story.
So we got to see, I mean, was he being
truthful when he said this most recently in his in
his statement, we don't know. Hopefully we're gonna get some
answers very soon. It's gonna be fasctating and listen to
this may be a selfish want to just turn into football,
but it's the first offseason. We're not talking about Jim Harbaugh.
He's finally got a quarterback. And you look at the
the tragic story of what's happened at Michigan State and

(01:23:22):
now this story at Ohio State, is that maybe this
is the year, even with that incredible schedule, that Michigan
ends up benefiting from the downfall of others and the
rise of their own. Nothing, you know, nothing necessarily remains stagnant.
Bruce felban Check read his work in The Athletic Course.
Can't wait to see on college football Sidelines in two weeks.
Thanks for joining us. The Bruce Abides Jila Ramsey has
a quarterback list. Comments on each of them. Guess who

(01:23:45):
else does this? Guy? I'll share you, my share you
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(01:24:05):
be and however you may be, making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. We appreciate you listening or
watching on Fox Sports one, Fox Sports Trading, the I
Heart Radio app Rachel Bonnetta alongside talented Um Eagle maniacal
but also quite clever as well. Uh, Rachel Bonnetta here
for the next time you Are you back tomorrow? I

(01:24:25):
am back tomorrow. Anna back next week? Yeah? That next week?
Don't care. That's exactly what it is. She has. She
has days. She has days to fill out, right, that's
really we got days. Gotta use up to days. Sorry,
that's a that's a TV thing and you got days anyway,
a kid, because I do, in fact care Jalen Ramsey's
comments are making the rounds. Janon Ramsey, talented pro Bowl

(01:24:47):
cornerback Jacksonville Jaguars um. He had an interview with g
Q magazine, speaking of which when was the last time
you picked up a magazine? And GQ magazine is one
of those things to you pick up You're like, man,
all those clothes are really great, they don't look like
they would actually fit me, and their way to expense,
I can't afford them, Yes, I can't. I feel like
we have in my house we have like a million

(01:25:08):
subscriptions to magazines and they just come in the mail
and then they sit on our dining room table until
I throw them out. You have subscriptions magazines? Ye? What magazines?
Rolling Stones or some like camera thing? Well you subscribe
to subscripine just just just too yeah, okay, but sit
on our table? All right? Um, yeah, I don't have

(01:25:30):
I sadly don't have any subscriptions to any magazines, right,
I've just I don't. I don't get the newspaper anymore.
I never got the news. I can't. I remember saying like,
all right, I'm gonna get the newspaper. I grew up
in Orange County. I'm moving back to Orange County. I'm
gonna get the Register. I'm gonna get the l A Times,
Orange County. And I got it for like half a year,
and I was like, yeah, you know, like it's it
just collects in the driveway. If I don't pick it up,

(01:25:52):
nobody else does. There's like one section that I actually
read and I can get it online. And if I
can't get it online, I'm moving on to somewhere else. Sorry,
I just killed the newspaper industry. And it's not because
I don't like Steve Fryer's work, who covers high school sports.
I still love my boy Steve Friar and so many writers.
It's just I don't know. Reading the newspaper is a
very romantic idea. I think having a coffee reading the newspaper.

(01:26:14):
But Twitter is just like a whole lot easier. I
would I would, so I would so prefer to zone
out and just look at Twitter and and have it
linked me to. This is me trying to read the newspaper. Now,
I will point out. I will point out and this
is really important that um, I still like when I
read a book. To read a book, I don't do
the I can't do the eyebook thing. I just there's

(01:26:36):
something about the feeling of closing up a book at
the end, going, ye, read that one, and then you
it's like a it's it's like the the idea of
the notch on the belt for a guy is like
see all those books, Read all those books, right, yeah,
those coloring books. I read it cover to cover. I
also colored did it cover to cover? Also? I feel

(01:26:57):
like when you're looking at a screen all day long,
my brain starts to turn into scrambled eggs. Yes, what
do you say? I couldn't hear you. I've been my
my brains. I've been looking at a screen anyway. G
Q magazine, the same magazine which gives us watches that
you will never pay full price for suits that look beautiful,
but you've gotta be way skinnier than than I am.

(01:27:18):
Athletic build suits just don't exactly exist or who actually
needs them. And then guys just have way better hair
facial hair than I do. Like, it's just not done
done done work doesn't work for me. But I do
like the magazine for the articles, including the article in
which Jalen Ramsey kind of goes line by line on
different quarterbacks. What he actually thinks of, like the the

(01:27:38):
no filter stream of consciousness, which we're gonna do with
Rachel Bonetta on her Fox coworkers. That's actually what we're
gonna do. Yes, we're gonna do. We're gonna go all
the people you work with, all the people were just
gonna go, like because I'll just say very nice things
because everyone did a great job in Rushia. Yeah, but
see that's not the reality of it, right. You go like, oh,
he was drunk the whole time? How did you not? No? No,

(01:28:02):
how did how did you not know? La las Man
Laalas always has a book that all right, So here's
what we're gonna do, okay, um Jalen Ramsey has his
own thoughts on some of the quarterbacks. We're not gonna
go through every single one of them, all right, but

(01:28:25):
let's go through the ones that people care most about
right now, the young, the young breed of quarterbacks. Because
I think when he says that Matt Ryan is overrated, okay,
there's no context to that is Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan
was the m v P the league two years ago, right.
I thought Aaron Rodgers should remember that was Aaron Rodgers, relaxed,
they came back, they made the playoffs. Okay, Um, if

(01:28:48):
you want to tell me he was overrated because you
don't think he's legitimately a top five quarterback, I'm cool
with that. But being overrated does not mean you suck.
We're understand that, right. He's not Rogers, he's not he's
not breeze Um. He might be or might not be
Philip Rivers, but like, you can clearly win with Matt Ryan.
They nearly beat the Eagles last year in the road,

(01:29:09):
after beating the Rams on the road in the playoffs,
and the year before if they just ran the damn football,
they win the Super Bowl with Matt Ryan as their quarterback.
So saying he's overrated lacks context. So let's let's get
to Jalen Ramsey's thoughts on quarterback first, then mine. Let's
start with Josh Allen, rookie quarterback Buffalo Bills. Jalen Ramsey,

(01:29:32):
he's trash. My take. This kind of feels a lot
like Buffalo, right, just feels a lot like Buffalo, Like
Buffalo once drafted JP lossman You guys remember JP Lossman.
Um began his career at U C l A got
beat out so that he transferred to tu Lane was
a first round draft pick of the Buffalo Bills. And

(01:29:53):
like a lot of people like I don't see it
with JP Lossman and JP lost and end up backing
up Patrick Ramsey, Right, Yeah, it just feels like a
Buffalo move and starting him too quickly. Everyone I talked
to in the NFL says, hey, Josh Hellen's got a chance.
He's got a huge arm, he's got good feet, but
he's kind of behind a little bit in football like

(01:30:13):
Q and obviously in accuracy. He's more likely he's just
to succeed the longer he sits, which of course means
Buffalo is gonna do the opposite of that, and they're
gonna play him right away. It feels like a very
Buffalo thing. You know, he's big, he's strong. You gotta
you gotta have a strong arm to throw an Orchard
Park in the winter. Yeah, but you gotta actually throw
it to the right team. That's that's It's more important

(01:30:34):
to throw it to the right team, isn't it. And
Buffaloes like you don't understand it's cold up here. All right,
Let's go to Baker Mayfield Jayla Ramsey said this on
Baker Mayfield. I I understand Baker going number one. I
understand why he's number one pick. My take is, I
don't get at all why he was the number one pick.
I don't I don't understand. I don't understand that you

(01:30:56):
have the number one pick, go and get the best prospect.
And I think close to thirty to thirty one other
teams thought that Sam Donald was the best quarterback prospect.
That's that's really what it is. And so I don't

(01:31:16):
get at all why they took him number one. I
understand why you draft Baker Mayfield because he does. He
feels like Cleveland right. Everybody said he they can't. Everybody
says he can't. He's too small, his arms not strong enough,
he's not athletic enough. Like I get that, I just
don't get why if you have the chance to draft
the one guy that everybody wants, why didn't you wait

(01:31:37):
for it draft the one guy that everybody wants. Um, okay,
let's go to Lamar Jackson. Jayla Ramsey said, he's gonna
do a good job. That is is inocush, innocuous, a take,
ambiguous to take as possible here's what I think people
wanted to be Mike Vick with a better head on

(01:31:57):
his shoulders. That's what they want the my Vic experience.
And there were times at at Louisville where he was
like Mike Vick, but there were also times to which
play wise, not off the field, he was like Marcus Vick.
Like he just his his default is to run. He

(01:32:19):
is a great runner. And even if you watch him now,
he's not a step up in the pocket and deliver
the mail sort of guy. He does lack accuracy, and
he has arm strength like there are just some holes there.
And the fact that he's a complete, completely different type
of quarterback from Joe Flacco. Feel however you want about
Joe Flacco in in comparison to his contract, Like Joe

(01:32:41):
Flacco is fine, you can win with Joe Flacco. He
could make every throw Joe Flacco's twenty touchdowns, ten to fifteen,
sixteen interceptions a year fine. Lamar Jackson can really run,
can really throw, but not necessarily to the right team.
And he's really a little He's little, he's not Baker little.

(01:33:02):
But because he runs, he puts themselves in harm's way.
People want him to be Mike Vick. I don't know
if I don't think he is Mike Vick. All right,
Deshaun Watson, he'll be an m v P in a
couple of years. Look, I put this off of the
caveat I don't know how healthy he's going to be
long term because he's had two A C. O injuries,

(01:33:23):
and I do fear that they try to make him
into a traditional quarterback. But I think he could change
the sport. I think you'd change the sport because remember
we've been told for a long time these college offenses
don't work. They don't work long term. People adjust to them.
And so we only had two games to which he
set the world on fire. But Shaun Watson is the

(01:33:45):
real deal off the football field in terms of his
personality and not having any sort of issues, completely buttoned up,
absolutely gets it, and on the field, I think he's
pretty accurate. I think the reason he had a lot
of turnovers at Clemson was because they had a different
wide receiving corps his final year at Clemson. He's shown
the ability to change and evolve to win a championship
like he did at Alabama. He can run it, he

(01:34:05):
can throw it, and I think they put him in
an offense which he was immediately successful. If they can
continue to win with that offense. The idea that a
college offense doesn't work based upon rule changes and how
uh it's it's officiated in the NFL, I think he
could change the sport. Uh. Jalon Ramsey on Jimmy d
Jimmy g All schemes, I guess you could say he's good.

(01:34:26):
Remember Jimmy g lit up the Jacksonville Jaguars last year
one of his three wins against playoff teams, and this
is back when the Jacksonville Jaguars were trying to win
games late in the season. I think he's Jimmy Jesus
one because if he grew his hair a little bit longer,
the eyes, the beard, I mean, picture a picture Jimmy Garoppolo. Um,

(01:34:49):
I mean he kind of looks like, hey, SEUs if
he really does. And oh yeah, by the way, to
take a team that was awful, they were horrendous. The
Browns thought they were bad when he got there to
finishing five and oh beating three playoff teams. Granted, the
Rams didn't care about the last game of the regular season,

(01:35:10):
but they still beat the Titans that went to the
playoffs shouldn't have, but did beat the jack Jaguars that
went that went to the a f C CHAMPIONSHP game.
He could have won the a f C Championship Game.
Like the turnaround and the look combined. I don't think
it's all schemes. I think it's all Jesus, as in
Jimmy Jesus coming up next. Rachel thinks I'm uncool. She

(01:35:34):
may be right, but my lack of coolness hipness pales
in comparison to Eli Manning. It feels like Eli Manning
kind of felt kind of cool yesterday. It was like
the dad jeans, putting on some skinny jeans and trying
them out for a day, taking them out for a spin,
take him out for a spin, like, hey, you know what,
the backside doesn't look so bad here at seven years old.

(01:35:56):
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us only. How um, we've had a we have a
Vida bus that we're getting. We've had redone and finally
out of the shop. I think a VDA bus is
incredibly cool. What are you gonna do with it? Drive
it to the beach, can back into my It's why

(01:37:42):
what you're gonna do? You just like go on a
road trip or something. Now, come on, let's not it's like,
let's like crazy now, but like you could like go
to you just like you throw the boards in it,
you go down to the beach, or if you go
into your son's ball game down the street. Like it
does have a new engine in it. It's got good
We like I did a great Damien did a great
job in redoing it. It's not totally body needs some work,
but the all the inner workings of it are awesome.

(01:38:03):
So you're trying to say to me that the fact
that you have a bus, redid it to make it
look cool, drive it to your son's baseball game, that
somehow makes you yes, yes, yes, Now, okay, how about
this one, I thought that Eli Manning kind of he

(01:38:28):
sort of dabbled into the idea of dropping a funny
line like Eli Manning is known really for three things, right,
I mean obviously the two Super Bowls, which um, I
mean remember the first Super Bowl season was they had
to win three road games just to get to the
Super Bowl, and the the David Tyree to somehow catch a

(01:38:49):
ball with his helmet when Eli probably should have been
down in the grasp. You know, I was a lot
of fortunate to it. But he's the guy who's beating
the Patriots twice in football's biggest game, Right, that's the
one thing is done. Secondly, as Colin has pointed out,
he's the least interesting of the Manning clan. And third,

(01:39:11):
he's known from Manning face right or Eli Manning face,
to which there's some sort of disconnect between a very
like he's obviously a very bright guy, but the face
doesn't match that of a very bright guy. It's as
if I had to say, what's a dull look? Manning
face was always a dull look? Like what is going
on there with Eli? But yesterday, after hearing the Jalen

(01:39:35):
Ramsey had made comments about so many different quarterbacks in
the National Football League, right from uh from Joe Flacco,
he sucks to Aaron Rodgers doesn't suck. Tom Brady doesn't suck,
tyrod Taylor's underrated, Marcus Mariota good game manager, Carson Wentz

(01:39:56):
will be an m v P golf average too above average,
Dak Scott, He's okay, Russell Wilson good, Ben Roethlisberger decent
at best, Eli Manning O'Dell makes him? Is that O'Dell
makes him? Here was Eli's response, Take a listen, my German.
Ramsey made a comment, put at this point in your career,

(01:40:16):
give me a good quarterback because of your connection with
Odell Beckham. Do you have any comment on that or
any retort? Right, there's there's a little there's a little
there's kind of a little like no, no, I shouldn't.
I shouldn't do it. I shouldn't who I shouldn't do it?
I shouldn't do it. It was kind of that was

(01:40:37):
kind of dad throwing on, taking off the dad jeans,
putting on the tight jeans for a little bit, like
I'm gonna try this trash talk a little bit, right,
say it with a smile, like Peyton could get away
with it. What I'm I'm gonna get away with it.
You're gonna start trashing people. I I trish people all
the time. I don't have it. I don't have any
problem with it. Um, I don't have any problem with it.

(01:40:58):
And he didn't actually trash Jathon Ramsey. Right, he didn't
go he didn't go full. He didn't go full uh
cornerback if you will, or full wide receiver. Never go
full wide receiver, never go full quarterback. I believe that
was from tropic thunder. But he did. He did drop
a little who and then he stapped back into ELI
corporate quarterback. Better off staying above the frame mode. You know,

(01:41:21):
I liked it. I liked it. It's not his personality
to give you personality, but I did think it was
a little of Yeah, he's when he wants to, he
can he can be a different guy. Turn it on.
He can definitely turn it on. All right, Let's get
to Rachel Bonetta with the news turn This is the

(01:41:42):
herd Line news. Des Brian is toucheddown in Cleveland to
meet with the Browns coaching staff. You guys were talking
about this yesterday. Here's what head coach Hugh Jackson said
about it, It's not just a given. I think you
have to work through whatever conversations we have have him
feel good about it. We do all of our homework

(01:42:02):
prior to and uh, I think it's you know, you
have very open and candid conversation. But guys, about what
your locker room is, how your team is wrung, how
we go about doing things and see if it fits.
And the player has to be honest, and we have
to be honest what our expectations are and if you
just lay it out, and I think that's the only
way you can do it at this time. So I

(01:42:24):
don't know if des and QE are on the same page.
Because there's this photo floating around on the interwebs of
Dez clearly at the airport signing some kids helmet. That's
the Brown's helmet. What does it mean? Do you think
that is gonna be a good addition to this team?
We've all been watching Hard Knocks. You see a guy

(01:42:44):
like Jarvis Landry clearly a great leader. Um do you
think he's a great leader? I think so you start
to drop a few f bombs, I don't get me
in jail. Like, look, he stood up and they're like,
turn on the lights. Which would they turn on the
lights because they want to make his point or do
they turn the light because they knew TV was watching.
Oh I didn't even think about that, Yes, no, but

(01:43:06):
I did think that he I saw. So Anyways, my
question to you is, do you think that des Bryant
is a good addition you've got. He's a VET, clearly,
but sometimes he's not, you know, on the straight and arrow.
He can be a little bit of a of a diva. Right,
You've got a kid like Callaway who's trying to stay
in line. Do you think having another VET like Daz

(01:43:28):
on the team will will help the Browns In theory? Yes,
in theory, yeah, Okay, in theory, you've got a guy
who's a pull bowl wide receiver as your number two,
Like in theory, yeah, that that could absolutely work while
you wait for Josh Gordon to come back. Um, if
if Josh Gordon comes back, that's in theory. The problem is,

(01:43:49):
I don't think it's even work ethic. He's never been
a discipline route runner. He hasn't shown to have great hands,
like dude, he got a heart and thirty three targets
last year, caught sixty nine balls, had a lot of drops,
and he doesn't create separation. Now again, as a number two,
it's not as big a thing. He's still a good
jump ball. He'll he'll fight you to the death for
a jump ball. But does he I don't think he

(01:44:10):
has the gene in him that an Kwan Bolden had,
and Kwan Bolden was a superstar talent that lost a
step or two but remained in the league. Could still
be in the league if he wanted to, because he's right.
He's a leader, and he was willing to block physical
wide receiver post up if you will to get open.
More than anything, he was willing to do the little
things it took when his speed left him. Lara Fitzgerald

(01:44:32):
willing to operate out of the slot. Super Bright also
a good teammate, but understood, hey, I gotta have a
two point. Oh here, I gotta find a misfatch. I
can't just out run an out jump people anymore. I
gotta be a disciplined guy. I don't think Dez has that.
And then everybody says I'll be a number two, I'll
catch less ball. It is like, when was the last
time that Dez Bryant was not a number one ride

(01:44:53):
wide receiver. He used to not get in the football.
He doesn't handle it well, so could he? Yes? Will he?
I would guess No, won't work out. We're gonna find
out next Tuesday. Moving next Tuesday on Hard Knocks does
Bryant Uh? Tom Brady gave some shout outs to his
b f F Gronk at practice yesterday. Take listen. I

(01:45:14):
think everything about him is what you're looking for in
a player and a teammate. UM. You know, plays well
in the biggest moments, and he's everything you look for.
So I'm glad he's on our team. But he's, you know,
been a teammate for as long as he has. UM.
I've watched him developed when he first got here now
and I've seen a lot of growth, and I know

(01:45:35):
he's trying to do better every day life. We all are,
and you know, I hope he has a great year.
He's everything I've ever wanted in a man. Uh. We've
got some stats of who else Brady has his other receivers.
Gronk's the best he's got. Right. Do you think he's
just buttering him up? Because Gronk is a first beell

(01:45:55):
at Hall of Fame. I don't you know, like you
don't agree he's no, No, I agree he's great, and
also agreed the juxtaposition of how good, if healthy Rob
Gronkowski is compared to what else they're going to throw
out there. Remember they don't have Julian Edelman. I like Braxton.
Berrios has been banged up a little bit, but I
like him as kind of one of those classic patriots
find the mismatch guys. You know Eric Decker who was

(01:46:17):
on the street and I know he had picture three
catches with like gets. I mean, it's Gronk and then
a bunch of other guys that are seeing interchangeable because
they seem interchanged. But Brady clearly wants to play until
he's like ninety five years old. Gronk has had some
you know, said some things about early retirement. He's obviously
not retiring right now, but and he also said, do
you remember Gronk said a thing a couple of weeks ago,

(01:46:38):
like Brady's really mellowing out. I think Brady's like, oh no,
I'm not to lose my guy. I think maybe, I
think so. Uh. Finally, this headline really caught my eye.
This morning, Tim Tebow breaks into filmmaking with faith based movie.
So NFL didn't really work out only but as well,

(01:47:00):
I'm doesn't really work out. Not right now. I want
to take so long like there hasn't been a Tim
Tebow thing. I want to play a little game. What
do you think Tim Tebow should do next? Well, look,
he's still trying to make the there's a chance for
a you know, there was a chance for a call up.
Like I think he's actually improved. I think he's going
to see this baseball thing out for another year or two.
Well he's got he had surgery on what his hands
out the next season. Yes, he decided to make some

(01:47:23):
movies about God. Well that's what he does every offseason.
Like I actually, when I say I think he's the
real real thing. I don't think he's actually like Jesus,
but I actually think he believes what he's saying. Oh yeah, no,
I don't doubt that, But I do doubt some other guys,
Like I do doubt the authenticity of some people that
are on my television saying saying that they have great faith.

(01:47:45):
Like I actually think this is like he Like we
said about Richard Sherman or Jalen Ramsey walks it like
he talks it, like he is what he is. I
think he's the real and authentic object, and I think
that he's going to use the power of what he's
created in sport to try and help help the world.
I don't know, the world does need saving, and if
he wants to save it, God bless him. That's Rachel
Balena with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks

(01:48:08):
for stopping third line. So so here's when I when
I read the comments on jail that Jalen Ramsey said, Um, look,
there's the one off lines about a Joe Flacco sucks,
Joe Flacco sucks, and then there's the further I think
Josh Allen is trash. I don't care what nobody says.

(01:48:29):
He's trash. It's good a show. That's a stupid pick
to me. We played them this year and I'm excited
as hell. I hope he's there starting quarterback. He played
at Wyoming. Every time they played a big school, like
they played Iowa State, He's which is not a big
school in my opinion because I went to Florida State.
He threw five interceptions and they lost by a couple
of touchdowns or something like that. He never beat a

(01:48:49):
big school. If you look at his games against big schools,
it was like, hella interceptions, hella turnovers. Yo, if you're good,
why couldn't you do better? He fits that mold. He's big,
tall quarterback, big arms. Supposedly. I don't see it personally.
So it's not just that he says he thinks the
guy stinks. He goes into why he thinks these things

(01:49:10):
should be pointed out that while he's right, Josh Allen
didn't beat a big school. He never played Iowa, stated
was Iowa, and oh yeah, by the way, Iowa State
is a Big twelve school. There were a lot better
than Wyoming last year, and the supporting cast at Wyoming.
But I guess the question is this. I get that
this is how guys talking locker room NFL players think

(01:49:32):
they should be NFL scouts, think they know everything about town.
I don't necessarily mind it. I do wonder what the
win is, and I think the win is. I want
to be a Dion Sanders. I want to be ah um,
I want to be uh, you know, pick the guy
who's the cornerback that uh that is on TV. Let's

(01:49:52):
let's let's bring in Eric Dickerson, course hall of famer,
led the league in rushing. Fox Sports Sports one NFL analysts, Hello, hello,
hello he thanks for joining us. I do Look, I
understand as a cornerback you can get away with trash talk.
It's the wide receiver's position dependent. It's not something you

(01:50:13):
can do as quarterback. But is it too much? I
like Jalen Ramsey. I like what he said. I mean,
you know, as the media, y'all say sometimes you're not
giving me enough, you're not given to talk about. Well,
he giving you something. He's giving you the truth. You
might not like the truth. That's how he sees it
because he's a great player, and he's telling you what
he sees. Because you know one thing about players is

(01:50:35):
you know y'all as media you'll have to, oh my god,
he's great. Oh you see how running the ball look
you and and players will say he garbage. Yeah, one
or two good games, he's garbage. So I like it.
I do too. I think there's a snapshot in the
locker room. I do it is it is what the
locker room is like. Um, but that doesn't always mean
that the guy is right, right, like, especially the guys

(01:50:57):
he's playing. Here's the like the Andrew Luck one, I
don't really think he's that good. The interesting thing about
the Andrew Luck one is statistically, Andrew Luck lit up
the Jaguars, and Luck is good and he's healthy, He's
he's good now, right, So I guess you know how
guys make an argument and there's one part of the
argument that is completely false, so it brings down It's
like house of cards, like you know they do that
also when you're cross examining somebody, right, when they when

(01:51:19):
one thing they say is in the truth, nothing becomes believable.
Does this hurt his credibility that he says, Hey, I
don't think Andrew Luck's that good? Like, wait a second,
Angrew Luck is a one thirty five and one thirty
five point five two point five quarterback rating against the Jaguars.
The stats tell you the exact opposite of that. Well,
you know, he and Andrew Luck and played in two years.
So if you say it, you're like, well, I ain't

(01:51:40):
seen Andrew Luck, you know. So you kind of have
a tendency to forget. You forget what a person has
done in the past. Andrew luck Is is a good
quarterback and he could be a great quarterback if if
he's if he's healthy, you know, through his career. But
you know, I do like what Jalen said. I mean,
he called out guys that he's played against. It he
thinks and you know what, that is his truth. That
is what he thinks of each player, and he's got
to go improve it. Because if I'm if I'm reading this,

(01:52:01):
I'm like, oh, you said about me. Okay, I'm gonna
trying to toast you. How much of this it's like
Richard Sherman, how much of this is about getting out
from behind the shield, behind the behind the face mask,
trying to build a brand to being Hey, I'm that guy.
I mean, because you know, look, here's this quote. I
think Matt Ryan's overrated. You can't tell me you win
the MVP two years ago and then last year you're
a complete bust. You still got Julio Jones. There's no

(01:52:24):
way that should ever happen. I don't care. By the way,
they did make the playoffs, beat the Rams, nearly beat
the Eagles on the road. They got a lot better
at the end of the season, even have a bust season,
bus season though. But but I think that you know,
and also you gotta look at you know, is offense coordinated?
It was. It was a different that was different. So
it was a lot of It's a lot of in
the NFL, people have aitency. If it gets best, you
don't play on that team. It's a lot of moving parts.

(01:52:46):
I mean, it really is. But Jalen Ramsey, if it's
a defensive he doesn't like hitting play well in you know,
and he could be a but like, well he's a bust,
but that's not I don't play well in that defense.
So um, you know, you know, like I say, this
is giving you look into the locker room just how
playoffs talk, because we talk and we do, do you member,
Jerry McGuire, yeah, the movie, yeah, right, okay, remember rod Tidwell. Okay,

(01:53:08):
rod Tidwell was was Cuba Good and Junior's character, and
so rod Tidwell back then, or at least in the movie.
And there was some real some of this was real,
and some of this relates to jail and but it's
more to I was thinking of Zeki Elliott in order
to get paid, which at the end of the remember
the end of the movie, He's sitting there with Roy Firestone.
I'm not gonna cry. I'm not gonna cry. Then all
of a sudden, he gets the contract that he apparently

(01:53:30):
agreed to without actually knowing the numbers. Anyway, he had
to dance, right, He's like, I'm not gonna dance. I'm
not gonna dance. I'm not gonna dance, and then finally
he does dance. Ezeke Elliott came out a couple of
days ago and said, Hey, I'm starting Marshall falk As
receiving running back right. I want to be able to
catch the ball in the backfield. I want to be multidimensional.

(01:53:50):
Fifty six catches in two years. Some of those numbers
low because last year he missed six games. How much
of this is about Zeke really wanted to diversify? How
much of it is out like, look, if you want
to get paid, you want to get Todd Gurley money,
you gotta catch the number of balls Todd Gurley catches.
How much of it is the rod Tidwell, you gotta
catch balls to get paid. I think I think he

(01:54:11):
just wants to get better, and that's what I think
it's all about, you know, when you watch other players,
like you saw how Todd emerged last year and two
years ago people thought he was a bust, but you know,
that was the offense he was in. I mean, the
Fisher offense was terrible, and it's the same thing and
here in Dallas. I mean, I really believe that that
offense is pretty simple and it's pretty vanilla. So you've
got to find ways to make yourself a better football player.

(01:54:33):
Look if he rushes for for sixteen sevente hundred yards
and catches twenty passes or ten passes, who's gonna care.
You know, in the touchdown, we want the yards and
the touchdown because you got the yards. That means that
we're grinding the clock out. We were keeping the ball away.
We're playing cowboy football. Cowboy football has always been yeah,
with the swing pass out to the backs. You know,
we might throw a checkdown, but really we are running

(01:54:54):
football team that goes back, you know in thinking, well,
Emmy Smith, I mean, that's how, that's how, that's how
they won their Super Bowl. Dez Bryan's visiting with the
Cleveland Browns today. What do you doing for Cleveland? Well,
you tell, I mean, I think it'd be a good
pick for Cleveland, I really do. I think it'd be
a good spot for him too. I know he wants
to play in the NFC where I mean NFC East

(01:55:15):
go against the Cowboys. That's not gonna happen. You have
to let that go, you know, you got to go
to the spot that possibly has They have a really
good head coach and Hugh Jackson. You know, I just
feel like that he has. He has some bad breaks
and young quarterbacks and players haven't played well. But I
think it's a I think it's a good fit. But
it's not Dallas. That's the thing. It's not. It's not
that's not the start. You know, it's Cleveland. You gotta

(01:55:37):
you gotta get set for that. Yeah, I mean, you
go from Dallas to Cleveland, like I went from l
A to Indie, right that that's it. That's a dramatic
and people don't remember and they think Indie as Indie Payton, Manny,
this is not okay. But is there something you need
to hear? Like again, some of it is he got
He's gonna have to take a small amount of money.
He wants a one year deal to prove himself. But

(01:55:58):
he also he's gonna have to be the number two
wide receiver at best. Right, it's not gonna be a
three or four because you're not a special teams guy.
But he's gonna have to evolve some as a person
and as a player. Is he capable of that? That's
a that's a lot to ask of a guy who's
always he's an alpha in the locker room, he's an
alpha on the football field. And to be getting half
as many balls thrown his way and to not be

(01:56:20):
getting the attention of the defense and not and being told, hey, dude,
like this is a different phase of your career. Everybody
says they can do it. How hard is it to
actually do? You know, it's it's hard to do. But
you know, I understand. Uh, there's not Look as the mirror,
he's no, he's not twenty one. He's not the dis
Brandon came out when he came out of the state.
He's not that. He's not that guy anymore. You know,
you have to you have to revamp your career. Look,

(01:56:41):
you you're not going to catch those those that's that's
not who you are. You want to be on a
team that you possibly can win football games, and you
contribute to and you show that. Look, I can be
I could play anywhere. I can be. If not a
number one, I could be a number two receivers someplace.
I think that's what he needs to look at. He's
never probably gonna be that number one guy. That those

(01:57:02):
days are long gone. I mean, we all want to
stay two years old and and and be that guy.
But father time has a different he has a different
answer for us. Um alright, Uh, we're gonna see the
Patriots first time, first first time tonight. I guess I
guess my question. You look at their division, You're like,
I got to pick the right. I mean, it's Sisters

(01:57:22):
of the Poor. That's eight wins out of magic. But
but in terms of getting to a super Bowl, like, man,
I don't know. The lack of last year is the
lack of playmakers on defense. This year it's Gronk and
I guess Edelman. Like one of the things is we're
all saying like when Edelman gets back, Like, dude, Julian
Edelman is coming off of a torn a c L.

(01:57:44):
Isn't he like the idea that a thirty two year
old Julian Edelman, who was a nice player is somehow
gonna save the day when he comes back, maybe with
the help of whatever he got suspended for. I don't
know what. Nobody knows, nobody. And then and then that
odd body knows nobody knows, and he didn't really kind
of challenge it, but didn't rewaive the white flag kind

(01:58:04):
of kind of quickly. But but do they have the
weapon re around around Tom Brady to still keep this
train moving down the track. You know the thing about
the Patriots, if you can never count them out, you
really can't. I mean last year we said all the
defenses and this the defense to stop the worst, worst
defense in the NFL. They're in the Super Bowl. So
when you've got Tom Brady and you've got Belichick, uh,
you've got a chance to win. And and you've got Gronkowski,

(01:58:27):
I mean, which I think is probably the best tight
end of the National football I heard you say earlier.
When he comes to Hall of Fame, yeah, he'll be
I think he'd be for us about at Hall of
Fame for sure. But as a player, I like him
as a player, I like him as a party here.
I mean, you know, he's definitely he's definitely on brand.
Eric Eric Dickerson, who grunk. If you're watching, he's available
next time. No, not a younger. I'm a younger I

(01:58:51):
used to like when I was doing the same thing.
I'm old and I can't do that fair enough, Eric Dickerson.
She might speak for yourself a little bit later on.
He thanks for joining us. Thank you all right? Coming
up next, it might be the best unwritten rule in
all of sports. I'll share it with you in the
Best for Last, It's next one more Herd. The Herd
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(01:59:34):
at this time as we try and kind of wrap
up this show with something that we've saved for this
very moment. It's almost the end of the show, but
that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind
to the very last segment. It's time for Best for last.
All Right, there's unwritten rules in sports, is unwritten rules
in life, and uh, one of the ones to which

(01:59:55):
will seem seemingly forever live on is the unwritten rule baseball,
which if you're real, really good and flip your bat,
or maybe you're just really good and really young, Uh,
we're gonna try and take you down a peg and
we're gonna beat you. That's what happened with um Braves
Ronald Akun. Yeah, that's like a kuna matatakuna. Uh. He

(02:00:15):
gets beating in the elbow by Marlon's starter, Jose um Na,
and um it was the very first pitch of the game.
Akunia had homeward in five straight games. A matter of fact,
it had three straight leadoff homers. So what do you do?
You beat him? It started a start a little bit
of fight and the Braves end up winning the Gamecunia
is fine. X rays were negative. By the way, X

(02:00:37):
rays are always negatives. Um, that's what they are there anyway,
So that had us thinking about other unwritten rules in sports. Right,
it's goole trying to figure out what's an acceptable or
unacceptable unwritten rule. Yes I don't but I don't agree
with you. On the bat flip. What I mean, do
not agree with you on your bat flip take because
you're Canadian and and Jose Bautista was about to bring

(02:01:01):
him up. That was one of the best moments ever. No,
Joe Carter's home run was the best moment ever for
Toronto Blue James, but actually flip best moment it was.
It was a big time bat flip. It was a
little to pernout, like, look, I don't care about it
in that situation. I do think it's situation dependent a
little bit, right, Like you hit a home run and

(02:01:22):
nobody's in the park, and the third inning you start going,
you start cadillacing and taking your time around the bases
after bat flipping like you're gonna get your tower buzz
next time around. In a playoff game, a walk off
home run when a place explodes, I'm less apt to
care about it. But that's me. So I'm anti bat
flip from baseball guy Like, look, baseball guys, like this

(02:01:44):
is the way we want our sport to be policed.
What do you got for us? All right, you just
tell me if this unwritten rule is crazy or not? Okay, yes,
don't foul an NBA player when he's mid air. Oh,
that's absolutely a fair. The idea is once a guy isn't,
you're going to fight. That's start. That's what starts to
fighting playground. That's what definitely starts to fight in because

(02:02:04):
you're allowed to foul guy. You're allowed to foul guy
when he's lighting you up, he drives down laying, you're
allowed to hammer him. You don't touch a guy water
below when he's in the air because you don't know
when he doesn't know where he's gonna come down, and
he's very, very much more likely to get hurt. So
that's absolutely a fair. Unwritten rule. NFL rookies must pay
for insanely expensive team dinners. Uh, this is a stupid

(02:02:27):
unwritten rule. This is dumb. It's really dumb. Like, oh,
it's the guy just got the first paycheck of his life.
Let's take half of it, shall we ha ha? That's awesome. Yeah,
apps or desserts, let's do both, Like, dude, come on, man,
I hate the rookie dinner thing. I think it's dumb.
I think it's a bad look, especially when you haven't

(02:02:50):
had anything and now you're gonna spend somebody else's money,
like I hate I hate those Uh is this unwritten rule? Crazy?
Don't talk to pictures during no hitters? Can I can?
I take the middle of the road stands here and
say it depends on the guy, like treat the guy
as if you'd always treat him right, Like if the
guy wants you can't ask him. What if it's like, dude,

(02:03:11):
don't talk to me, like you got to know ahead
of time. That's a good point. I wouldn't mess with
him when I'm like in the zone, I don't want
I'm like very one track. Mine can only handle one thing.
As soon as start, you get moved this parting. When
I'm trying to prap all my herd lines and you're
talking about goodwill hunting, I'm like, I can deal with this.
I just said it's one of the great lines in
the history of filmmaking, second only to Align and Empire

(02:03:34):
strikes back. And you had no time for no time,
no time, Like I'm trying to create relationships here and
you know, have a connection. We're working together on air
for the next two days. Now you have no time
for me. I thought I thought millennials could multitask, Not
this one. No is this unwritten real crazy? If an
NBA player is about to get benched, let him shoot. Yes,

(02:03:55):
this is a fairy fair. So here's the way it works. Right,
you're bringing the ball up to court and somebody's everybody
knows who who's a guy is coming in for there's
a set rotation. Or you take a bad shot, you're
getting a foul trouble whoever that guy is. It's an
unwritten rule. First half a regular season game. A little
different in the playoffs, that guy, you're totally allowed to
take a terrible shot, totally allowed to go get go

(02:04:16):
get one. You know why, because they can't take you
out twice. I'm I'm I'm okay with that? Is this
rule crazy? Don't date another player's ex? Um, not crazy
that people shouldn't do that. Now, for for women, if
you're like my wife said, if you're gonna date somebody's ex,

(02:04:37):
that you have to get you have to get like
the okay from her, that's all awful. Just don't do it.
Like what if you have a connection with this person?
What if you have a connection with this person? I
don't know. I'm I'm talking from a from a place
that's never happened to me before. Look, I'm a traction.
I've been told like the reason that Matt Barnes went
after Derek Fisher wasn't because he was dating and now

(02:05:00):
I think Mary to his ex wife, it was because
he didn't tell him right like to ask permission wasn't.
Don't do it. I would generally say that, but at
least go like, hey, dude, just want you know, like
I want to ask you a girl. It's not like
I want to ask for your hand in marriage, like
I want to take her out person. Are you cool
with that? I think he says no, he still probably

(02:05:22):
go ahead. And the last one is this unwritten, real
crazy all heard. Guest hosts must buy lunch for the
entire stop, not Colins. Sometimes in the past does this
Colin Colin. What Colin does is he orders a tuna
sandwich with mustard. No, we got proof right there, Look
picture of all of us he didn't wants from Colin.

(02:05:43):
That's one time, and I'd say it was frequent. It's
probably on Dave Koelo's credit card, which gets built directly upset.
It's the most expensive thing that we can buy in
the cafeteria here. You can get some sushi. It's pretty good.
You know. I don't see the cold press juices that
I did I drink, so are those are rather pricey?
I'm just like, how much how much the SEXTI Golden

(02:06:04):
Bully on is? How much it costs? All Right, Rachel's
back tomorrow. I'm back tomorrow. Greg Jennings again. Were Greg
Jennings again? Greg Jennings every day this week? Plus for
Shard Jennings, no relation, No relation, joins us. All right,
we'll have preseason games to react to. Patriots Eagles might
have the starters for a series. Will react to it tomorrow. Plus,

(02:06:25):
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