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January 6, 2025 66 mins

C&R talk patience (Mayo in NE) & golden NFL opportunities! Ben Johnson & Mike McCarthy are discussed. 'THINGS THAT MAKE YOU Go HMM' sees incentives & a Lions victory over the Vikings not as lopsided as it seemed. Aaron Rodgers/Pam Oliver & some F-U's! Rich has Wild Card Weekend blind Odds quiz for the crew. 'SHAQ DIESEL TRIVIA' goes off the rails! Plus, 2 standout NBA teams & 1 NFL coach staying in New York,

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
I just feel like, as they call it, black Monday,
after the NFL season, coaches get fired.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's inevitable.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Every year, the carousel of coaches continues to keep rolling along.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
And I just thought about it.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, there was something Gronk said about Mayo and
the Patriots. I take a listen to this. This is
a little set up to what I'm thinking already.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Gronk ride Mayo out after one seasons the Patriots head coach.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I was shocked by that, and that happened that soon
was a shocker to a lot of people, especially here
at the desk. We were all surprised by that. I
think it was unfair to coach Gerden Mayo. I mean,
he had never had the chance to develop as a
head coach. He was just a rookie himself in that department.

(01:14):
And if you judge a coach by their first year.
That's really not appropriate. I mean, Jimmy Johnson, you went
one in fifteen your first year, and.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Then you want a couple Super Bowls after that.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
I mean, he really, Hey, we gotta go to break.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean we're going to keep.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
Talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Stop your rambling, Gronk.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm by the way, I'm shocked that Grounk didn't giggle
when he said shocker. Anyway, is coaching the same liability
now as a rookie quarterback that gets drafted to the
wrong team because of the impatience of everyone in general
in society and.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Sports cultural issues not even a football issue. It's just
an impatience that we have an expectation to deliver a
now now when now want things now, Even like waiting rooms,
it's I'm not going to get into a Seinfeld bit,
you know, like well wants a deal. I mean, it's
why we have the room. Nobody wants to wait around

(02:14):
young people, old people. I thought it used to be
old people who were impatient, Like my dad when he
walks into a barber shop, Hey Dad, why didn't you
get a haircut?

Speaker 7 (02:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
And they see it had a weight, So I went
home my dad. Like, but even young people when you're
you ever see your kids watching a cartoon. If it
doesn't kick in right away, they're tuned now. Nobody wants
to wait, especially when you're paying millions of dollars for
football and to win. Now. They don't got time for me.
I'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
As Ronnie Chen the comedian, doesn't he do the bit
Amazon now Prime now like if they could, people would
want Prime now, like next day is not enough. Like
you you would think, oh wow, I ordered something and
it's gonna be in my doorstep tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
We've talked about this many times, with quarterback development, with
artist development, record deals, music artists, comedians, comedians. There's no
grace period in life, let alone football, especially like I said,
when there's expectations, championships and millions of dollars on the line.
So with all that said, with Gronk sticking up for

(03:17):
his old pal, the one's waiting around for results, I mean,
not a great season in New England, but again his
first year, you could say Dan Campbell his first year
for the Lions were three and thirteen. He was trying
to start a culture.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
The next year they're over five hundred and then the
last two years they've been fantastic.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So there's more stir in the kool aid than meets
the eye. But I'm with you, you got to give
people some time to figure it out. But in a
world Covino where patience is just clearly not there, music, comedy, sports.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Any life in general. A big complaint by the youngest
generation is that they started a job like a couple
months in theough, like, can't get a raise, Like they
don't even realize the idea of like putting in your
your hours and paying your dues. So, like I said,
it used to be old people that was synonymous with
being impatient. But I tried watching Mary Poppins with my

(04:14):
niece and nephew and old movies and old school cartoons.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
It starts with the credits. I don't if you guys
realize what I'm talking about. Right, you were trying to
watch an old movie with with kids today they're like,
why are there credits in the beginning of the movie.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Because they want the action.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Nah, you thought your niece and nephew were gonna be
all about chim chimminey chim chim.

Speaker 8 (04:38):
What is this.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm like, it's the credits. They're like, yeah, well this
is boring. They want they want the fun right then
and there. They don't have time to wait. Nobody does,
especially the Patriots, dude, especially when Patriots fans have an expectation,
you know, when when the Craft family has an expectation.
The controversy became though with the Ground thing is hey, man,

(05:01):
for the first time, he's making a good point and
you cut him off. The controversy was like, hey, was
he about to say some bad stuff about the Craft
family and that's why they cut him. I think Ground
just didn't realize that we were going to commercial But
I agree. But if you read social media the whole conspiracy,
you know, social media takes on a life of itself.
The whole spin on it was they were trying to

(05:23):
stop him from really speaking his mind on the truth,
like how unfair it really was. But I really do
think that they they probably gave him some extra time
and he stomped over the queue.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Listen, dude, we don't need to, you know, beat a
dead horse with the sentiment that society is impatient. But
the question I want to ask everybody is, because you
know how impatient people are, You know that a band.
They put out one good song, you better give me
another hit in a month. A comedian does an hour

(05:58):
long comedy special that took them years to craft.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
If it's a hit, Netflix.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Or HBO or Hulu's telling them, yo, can you pop
out another hour special in six months? Impatience is a
major issue in society. In fact, one of my favorite quotes,
and I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
But it makes sense that the NFL is not a
shouldn't be like a learning ground.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I agree, but I mean one of my favorite quotes
and I can't say that I have. But he or
she who masters patience can master anything, because it is
very hard to be patient.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
No one is.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But with that said, if you're Ben Johnson, offensive coordinator
of the Lions, or you're some hot candidate for a
coaching position in any sport, or for that matter, if
you are this year's virgin of Caleb Williams and you
know you're the top pick, and you know you are

(06:55):
very well going to be judged so quickly, do you
look back at guys like Eli Manning and John Elway
that said no, I'm not playing there and think a
little differently now.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, those are people who knew their value, right. Not
everybody is John Elway in Peyton Manning.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
You don't think Caleb Williams is saying like, well, I
mean if I had the coaching that Jaden Daniels had,
and if I, you know, a year ago, she j
Stroud had a better opportunity.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Like I am one who says you gotta believe in
yourself and take your opportunities as they come. Not everybody's
elite in that way. It depends on who you are,
what your values are. I think you got to take
your opportunities. That's especially you think there's this many slots
and spots in football. I believe Howard Stern said it

(07:46):
like in radio, right, we work in radio. He said,
there's less opportunity in radio than there are in professional sports.
You got to take the opportunities when they're given. Yeah,
but if it not, everybody gets to call that shot.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
But if you take a trash opportunity, you're setting yourself up. Yeah,
you're setting yourself up to be like that was my chance,
and that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
For instance, if you're.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Ben Johnson, who's like the hottest thing right now, there's
like multiple teams that are like, look what he did
with the Lions offense with him and Dan Quinn.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Like I thought barges See was the hottest thing going
to Ny BARGESSI maybe what how much last year? Eighty
million dollars the highest paid comedian of twenty twenty four
with his new Netflix special.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
You look at what Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson did.
I thought Nicki Glazer was the hottest thing right now
she is, But you look at what the Lions coaching
staff did in the last couple of years and turns
around that franchise. Yeah, if you're Ben Johnson, who's getting
praised Giants, Bears, Patriots, everyone wants to interview this guy.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
And from what I understand, Danny g would you believe.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That Ben Johnson makes like head coach money Spock?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Can you double check this for me? I think I
saw Ben Johnson makes about five MILLI year.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
As an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And if that's.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
The accurate numbers, then why on earth would this guy
go to New England and be like, yeah, I'm gonna, yeah,
I'm gonna take on this uphill battle. Don't you want
to wait for just the right opportunity, like oh, you
got the quarterback, I know I could work with.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
You're rolling out the red carpet? Or do you think
any coordinator question? Because that opportunity may never come again?
You know, and then there's so many factors involved. I
get what you're saying. Do you wait for the perfect
opportunity or do you just take your chance in believing
yourself over the last believe in themselves to the point
where if the money's right and the situation's right, they

(09:48):
believe in themselves enough to make it right when they
get there.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Cole.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
But what you've seen happen with Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield,
and what you've seen with Caleb Williams, and you know,
people not living up to the expectation. Trevor Lawrence, certain guys,
would you, especially in a time where college athletes already
making money with nil? Now, is there a part of
you that's like that might be the changer right now?
I don't need the money right now. I'll wait it out,

(10:13):
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Like, if you're a star and they're like, yeah, you're
gonna go to like an organization. I mean, I hate
to pick on him, but the Jets Aaron Rodgers couldn't
go there and make anything happen. If you're a young
stud quarterback in college football and they're like, you know,
you're likely going to go to the Jets, do you say, no, I'm.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Not because I'm only going to fail, which is a
terrible outlook. But yeah, that's that's the chance and risk
you're taking. Again, if you have that type of power
and that star power and you're one of the few
in the world that gets to call that shot, then yes,
I think you take advantage of that, of that opportunity.

(10:53):
What does Eli Manning have to What does have two
of Super Bowl? What does John Elway have two of
Super Bowls? And these are guys that arguably work what
pains in the asses when they were a twenty some
of year old kid coming out of college.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't want to play for the Colts. I don't
want to play for the Chargers. They they were looked
at as like a little problematic.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
What was this guy doing?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Looking back now, is hindsight like no, they just they
just knew you end up in certain places.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's a death center. Again, I hate to give you
two answers, but both could be true.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Here.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I think if you are in that position to make
that call, you take advantage of it because you know
your value. You're confident in that, and you will end
up somewhere else. But in life and for other people,
you know, any opportunity is a big opportunity. They don't
have the luxury of calling that shot. You got to
take that anyone. So it just depends who you are.

(11:47):
But you gotta know your value. You gotta be certain
of who you are and what you're capable of come.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
If you don't think anyone over the I mean you
can list what was the old joke, you could list
like twenty names on.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
The back of a jersey.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
You don't think any of those quarterbacks of the Cleveland
Rounds over the last decades, like I'll be the guy.
I'm confident enough that I'll be the guy that takes
his team to like playoff glory. Baker Mayfield was one
guy that you know got anywhere and they let him go.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
He changed the culture. He was doing a good job.
He was confident enough.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
But I mean, like there are teams and I'm just
saying moving forward because our impatience won't allow it. Jimmy
Johnson to go one and fifteen.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Then I could say, you think Steph Curry wanted to
play for the Golden State Warriors or was he dope
enough to make the actual change. I get what you're saying.
But then he becomes the face of the franchise. Like
there's risk and there's reward in the risk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
To me, it's just you see some of these coaching
and quarterback opportunities and vacancies, and you're like, man, you'd
have to be pretty confident in yourself.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Fox Sports Radio Nation. What Rich is getting at is
when you're hot like Hansel, and you're hot right now
like Ben Johnson, and you're making a good living, you're
making head coaching money as an offensive coordinator for the Lions.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Do you jump at any.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Head coaching opportunity when it's available because the goal really
is to what become a head coach in the National
Football League? Or do you wait until that perfect opportunity
is there?

Speaker 5 (13:15):
And here's the risk.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Sometimes that perfect opportunity never comes, and sometimes one would
say there's no such thing.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
As a perfect opportunity.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Say the same about dating. You make it the best exactly,
you can, say, the best you can. I don't know
if I want to marry. Well, you know it's not
perfect for me, right, there's no such thing as a
perfect person for you. You take someone that's that, that
loves you enough and that you care about enough, and
you make it work and you do your best, you know.
And that's exactly when we discussed rich Here's what I wrote.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
You you know what you wrote?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It is I can't even write what I wrote. Sorry, guys.
You take opportunities when they're given and do your best
with them.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
See.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think that that is well, you might argue that's
good advice. I feel like taking an opportunity just because
it's there is old school thinking like, hey, man, put
your head down and work hard and you'll get there,
I think now as a player, but you will.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I believe in that. I believe in that. Not everybody
is Caleb Williams. He's a great example because maybe he
did the wrong thing. Not everybody is him, right, not everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think he had the potential to call we We
said it the other day, buddy, we said it. How
when you see Sam Darnold in that meme of him
and Baker Mayfield when they were on the Panthers and
they look sad and now it's like, look at them
this year, both playoff quarterbacks. I mean, those are two
success stories. But what about a guy like Daniel Jones
or Justin Fields. They made money, but they may never

(14:44):
really get the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
If you were in a position like a Ben Johnson,
do you take the opportunity when it's given or do
you wait for the perfect situation? And you know, another angle, like,
look at it again him, it's it's case by case him.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think he has the luxury to wait. He has money,
He's on a winning franchise already. There's no need to
make some sort of desperate jump to be a head coach.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Now, I'm I don't know if I don't know if
you'll roll with this example. But I remember you and
I were working at ESPN at the time. Yeah, And
I remember sitting in the newsroom with you when they
came up with the draft order in the NBA and
the world was like, yo, if Zion went to New York,

(15:46):
he could totally be the face of basketball in the
biggest market. The Knicks need a guy that could be
the start of something. When the Pelicans got him, and
you're like, yeah, what's gonna happen with what happened with
Anthony Davis where he plays there a couple years and
he's like, yeah, I'm not winning here, I'll leave. And look,
I mean, as Zion lived up to any of what
we thought, Yeah, he has good moments here and there,

(16:07):
but no, like situation matters. No one could deny that.
But that might have been one of the most disappointing scenarios, Like, oh.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Really, I always looked at that as part of the
luck of the drama, and then you sort of try
to create your own destiny from there. But Rich is right,
there is a different way of thinking for some people's.
That's really what I gotta emphasize in parentheses. For some
people you look at it an old school or new school?

(16:38):
Is it old?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna categorize old school thinking as
you know what, I'm gonna take the opportunity to put
my head down to work hard. New school thinking is yeah,
no matter how hard I work, unless I set myself
up for success, people won't have patience and I may
get the raw deal.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
How do you think like a Shadura Sanders would would
be received if he was like, yo, I'm playing for
no weak ass team? If should Norris he saying no, Man,
I can go there and change the culture around and
there's more rewarding that risk. Like like we said, the
question is what do you do and how do you
handle it?

Speaker 5 (17:10):
And what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
We'll take your feedback next. I hope you had a
Lions sort of weekend, And I mentioned Jamar Chase because
he got that triple crown. Even though the season seems
a little wasted, but we did see a lot of milestones,
a lot of incentives met, and we saw some exciting football.
We have to acknowledge that we did not expect that.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Then you know what all those milestones we talk of
and the incentives last week we went through the list.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
We went through it. But you know, weekend definitely surprised me.
Meaning the games were way more exciting than I thought
they would be.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
DraftKings and fan Duel and MGM and all the all
the websites today. Really good tricky job of not making
the numbers for the over unders right at that number
because remember I was like, hey, maybe do a prop
be parlay.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
They didn't make it that easy.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is that would have been because we also said member
von Miller needed a sack.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's a week ass sack.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
By the way, it was like a one armed hit
because his arm hit the quarterback of the quarterback I fell.

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YouTube page. Now the question simple before we get into
things that made you go Week eighteen. It's about opportunity
and whether or not you're set up to succeed, and
it's case by case. Some people have no choice but
to take the opportunity. Sometimes the money people have a
luxury to wait. Sometimes the money could lure you into

(19:14):
the wrong opportunity. Hey, Rich and I, let's just say,
in our professional career along the way, took opportunities where
they came. We knew that we were not set up
to succeed. Looking back, I'm still glad I learned from
that experience. That's the truth. I do believe. If you
are talented, didn't it didn't Randy Poffo say the cream

(19:36):
rises to the top, you know, and you do work hard.
It might not happen there, but it will happen eventually. Man,
and I do believe. So you're downplaying that hard work
doesn't pay off. Call me old school. I still believe.
And I'm not just saying this to sound righteous. Y
you do sound right. Been taught this since I was

(19:57):
a little kid. Man, You put your head down, you
work hard, good things happen. That's not like fools say,
all right, all right, man, you think everybody's if everybody's
John l Way, then let's see it. Let's see what
happens when people say, all right, well them beat it.
No one wants a hotshot from the get gun.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I'm saying my point is simple, just because you're good,
if you enter a bad scenario, it can make a
super talented person look like trash, and then that might
be your only opportunity. And we bring up Ben Johnson
just as a fun example, because right now, no one's
hotter than him in Detroit. The offensive schemes he's got

(20:36):
going on, they're scoring points left and right Detroit.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Burrow didn't make the playoffs. Is anyone saying it's Joe
Burrow's fault. He's still the man. He also made a
Super Bowl, And I'm saying, you still have a way.
Not everyone's playing professional sports. Is this a question in
life or a question in professional sports? There's still a
way where Hey, if you're doing your part and you're
doing your thing, you got to take those opportunities where
they're given and do your best.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But let's go to your phone calls. Let's go to
what's Sartain Bakersfield. They say, what's up to Andrew? What's
up Andrew?

Speaker 8 (21:05):
What up? Andrew, Hey, what's up?

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Guys? Just have to tell you. I was in and
out of the house and I have a radio in
the garage. Came in, heard your guys voice and was
I was like, yes, totally awesome. You're talking about Black Monday.
So that was a good thing. Excited or glad to
hear you guys, love it?

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Okay. So I just think it's about timing and whether
or not Ben Johnson like wants to be a head coach.
For example, it always bothered me like when Roy Williams
went from Kansas to North Carolina. Just because it's more
money or a better place doesn't mean it's the best decision.

(21:44):
And it kind of bothered me when Calin de Boor
went from Washington to Alabama.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Listen, sometimes you're chasing the money and you can't blame
someone if the money's huge, right, Like you could say
that about coaches and players, like you can say Robbie
Cano sort of sidetracked his Hall of Fame possible career
by going to Seattle instead of staying on the Yankee.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Or sometimes remember in the movie La Bamba, when Joey
Pants says, what's more important the music or the money.
Richie Valen says, my family. You know, you don't know
what motivates people, and you could simplify it rich with
Decisions are not easy to make sometimes just so many
things to factor. Sometimes you have to take that opportunity

(22:27):
Though'll make the best of it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Let's say, what's up to Taylor in Illinois? What's up Taylor?

Speaker 9 (22:31):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
What's up Bud?

Speaker 9 (22:34):
It's just calling about how you say, we gotta You
only get a good opportunity once in a while, you
know how coach they get fired for reading let's dysfunction.
You know, So there's good opportunities in the NFL, would
be a good head head coach comes well, doesn't really
come around.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
That's what I was saying. There's so few opportunities.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
There's thirty two teams, which means there's thirty two jobs.
And think of how many good coaches or coaches there are.
So every year, you know there's gonna be a couple,
but you're going up against, by the way, every other
potential coordinator coach.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Fire show started.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Dan Bayer said that the Bears asked if they could
speak to Mike McCarthy about the head coaching gig. So
you know there are opportunities opening in other places, but
does that does that.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Make the cowboys feel like, oh, someone else wants them?
Like you know when you you know, when you are
dating someone and and other people are interested in them,
going to make them hotter?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
No, Dan said that m McCarthy hotter. Now to the dance.
Howboys like your buddy breaks up with his girl might
be breaking up with his girlfriend and then you asking
him like, hey, are you okay? If I dator, It's
kind of like it's kind of like that a little bit.
But but opportunities are few and far between. They're there,
but they're few and far between. So sometimes you have

(23:52):
no choice but to take them and make the best
of it. Pete, what's up?

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Pete?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And Penn? You're on with C and R.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
Hey buddy, okay, So first off, we have to understand
just because you're an amazing offensive or defensive coordinator doesn't
mean you're a head coach.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Facts.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
You're right, okay, you guys, You guys are such a
great example of that. One of you is very specific,
very well spoken. You can do all the reads of
the advertisers that want it to be crisp and clear,
and one of you is a guy that would be like,
you know what the advertiser wants it to be a hey,

(24:30):
you know what, we're really cool place. That's who should
do it. A good boss, a good head coach knows
how to manipulate everybody into a positive situation. An offensive
coordinator offensive coordinates, a defensive coordinator, defensive coordinates. Who are

(24:51):
the longest guys coaching? Read horrball and my brain always
he forgets names in.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Pittsburgh Tom and Tomlin?

Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah right, okay, okay, how many of them were coordinators?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
No, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
And by the way, the whole time, I'm thinking, who
does he thinks the bozo?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And who's he think? Is the well spoken one me?
Which is crazy? Are you should be embarrassed?

Speaker 8 (25:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
That you think that, and that's your.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Problem, he said. The other one's cool though, Oh really.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
No no, no, So I'm the I'm the cool one
and you're the well spoken.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
One's a hipster and one's a pro. He's got it
all backwards.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I could have said it like this, just because we're
good radio hosts doesn't mean we could do play by play. Yeah, right,
Like they're completely different skills. Just because we're on the
mic doesn't mean we could do that, and believe me,
we tried just for fun. Totally different So being a
head coach and you know, it's a totally different gigs.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
There's plenty of drive time DJs who have tried to
turn into the program director of a radio station. Doesn't
translate that in our world. That's a great example.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
And if you want to stick to like the radio
broadcasting world, there have been plenty of like I guess
you would say, like old school DJs, like the guy
they were talking between the songs, got an opportunity to
do the morning show. And this guy couldn't talk for
more than twenty seconds at a time, like his specialty
was like he could talk for twenty seconds and be
clever in between songs, but crack the mic for more
than that.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
He's like a deer in headlights. Yeah, so you never
know appreciate the call man eight seven seven ninety nine,
O Fox. Do you take the opportunity when it's given
or do you wait for the perfect opportunity. It's an
interesting thought. You wait for the perfect opportunity. You brought
up to relationships before Rich gonna sit there, you know,
empty handed, waiting all day? Not empty handed? Did you'll

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just be by yourself?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Andy Rhode Island, Well, I was trying to keep it
clean kind of Yeah, what's up, buddy.

Speaker 10 (26:50):
I think that Ben Johnson may just be eyeing out
Mike McCarthy's contracts, seeing that Jerry Jones is not even
bolling from him an extension, and that might be a
juicy pick for him because not only is that team
already you know, kind of established, but if things don't
work out with Dak, Prescott needs to say that he
doesn't want to groom Trade Lance, a young and upcoming.

Speaker 11 (27:14):
Possibly good quarterback if that could be groomed into a
system that he could possibly make his own. So I
think that, you know, guys, women, for Ben Johnson, I
don't appreciate the backhanded comments from back from the last caller.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
If you can't call.

Speaker 11 (27:27):
The great which a casino bozos, I don't like that,
but one but.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
One of us I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
And then mister, you know, let's go to Dan Buyer
for an update. And Dan, before he gives the update,
who do you think he was referring to as the boson?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
You know, I'm a Cavino guy, and I liked all
of Dan Bayer's post on TikTok over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Jack grabbed, I screen grabbed, liked by Steve Cavino. I
did as well. All right, guys, I didn't like the
first caller that was like, gosh, then guys, you guys
are back, because I was in for you guys for
like half of last week.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, you know, so it's just good. Yeah, thank goodness,
you guys are back.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
And not that idiot that was talking about people hating
their jobs on Friday.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, thanks for holding down the fourth me.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
And again, I know Cavino got the Tingley's when he
heard that, like, thanks so much, appreciate it. Trying to
hide my smile here that I'm back in the fold.
What tipped you off when I raised the roof?

Speaker 12 (28:24):
Yeah, yes, because bozos don't do that all The Jacksonville
Jaguars fired head coach Doug Peterson today after three seasons,
including a four and thirteen mark in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
They kept general manager Trent Balki. The reason why, I don't.

Speaker 13 (28:40):
Want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Okay,
we have a lot of things that are working that
can always be improved and will improve, and there are
other things that are not working that need to be fixed.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Things that made you go H, things that make you.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Go, things that make you go.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think the number one thing that maybe go H
was how all the teams accommodated the prop bets that
needed to hit.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
That was to me.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I think the cool part of Week eighteen was watching
Geno Smith makes six million dollars, watching Mike Evans get
that opportunity in the fourth quarter to catch that five
yard pass to tie Jerry Rice.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I think that was one of the highlights.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And I think one of the other big takeaways from
Week eighteen of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, not everybody met their incentives. There was a side
story where by Dallas starting Trey Lance, it cost Cooper
Rush five hundred thousand. He still made like two hundred
and fifty or something in incentives, but it prevented him
from getting a sixty five percent of the offensive snaps,
so he would have gotten oh snap, oh snapers right,

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five hundred thousand dollars. But it was cool to see
a lot of people meet their incentives. I agree that
made it a lot of fun to watch, and for
so many things that were people are polarized on, like
people fight about everything. I don't know many.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
People that don't like to see these players hit their numbers.
Like there might be a couple of grumpy people here
and there, but for the most part, who didn't like
that Mike Evans moment. Who didn't like seeing you know,
von Miller or you know someone hit their sack total
and celebrate.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
To me, that's fun. So things that made us say
we said it all week we said that was the
reason to watch. However, the games were still exciting and
that was the bonus, right, So we were looking at
the positive. I want to make that clear because I
did hear some people on Red Zone point out that
they never understood how talking heads and guys on the

(30:53):
radio and pundits would always say there was no reason
to watch or care Week eighteen. We never said that.
We were giving you reasons to care. The one game
that we cared most about actually was probably one of
the weaker games because the Lions ended up dominating that game.
So what made me say, hmm, is how the Lions
really I think separated themselves. Their defense was stellar, dude.

(31:16):
Their defense made me say, hmm, when you Vikings, who
everybody's been high on all year and been impressed with
all year, they couldn't score they couldn't score it. This
really makes me. That really makes me saying hmm about
the Lions defense. Listen, it may shock you.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
While they did whoop the Vikings last night, my opinion
on Saint Donald and the Vikings doesn't change. I feel
like in the first half they had multiple red zone
opportunities where they were ballsy, they went for it, and
they came up short. They could have very well been
up significantly of halftime. It just didn't work out. I'm
not saying if you run it back another time, the
results are completely different.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
But they were in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Three times, I believe in the beginning and came away
with three points.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
They eventually said let's put some points on or let's
take three, and I say this respectfully and they could
learn from it. It seemed pretty evident that Darnold was
playing rushed I mean rushed and no, I'm more like
careful too. Instead of slinging it and throwing it, he
was aiming it like he looked like he was like
too cautious instead of playing a little ballsy, and I

(32:19):
think that showed So if they if he's able to
be comfortable and you're right, maybe have a little more
time and not so run he missed, they will have
more opportunities.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
He missed justin Jefferson by a foot on a fade
into the end zone.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Again on multiple red zone opportunities. They just came up short.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
And I'm not saying, oh wow, they would have beat
the Lions, but I think the score is deceptive and
it makes you think that the Lions were just so
much better. I just think that nothing went the Vikings
way and then the game at the end gets out
of control because you're you're playing for behind and you're
trying it thirty.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
One to nine.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
But that defense made the difference. And props to Jamiir Gibbs.
Gibbs with four tuddies that made me say to having
a career game on a night like that show you
the type of player this dude is, and it just
shows you the grit and toughness of this team, and
I think that's what separates them from other teams. For me,
my opinion changed on the Vikings and it really solidified

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where the Lion's stand last night night, Well.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know what, we're going to talk about some wildcard
weekend coming up, and all your observations from yesterday.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think we're always fair. We're just fans. I'm not
trying to be mad at or mean about Aaron Rodgers.
But he puts himself out there and we call it
as we see it. He threw his five hundred touchdown
with the Jets, beautiful. It was a moment, right he
achieved it in New York. Then he's at the press
conference talking about his future and he's talking about, well,

(33:44):
he's not going to waste the Jets time. To me,
that was very important. He's like, you know, I just
need a few days, relax a little bit. I'm not
going to waste the Jets' time. We'll talk about what
the future holds. But what the giveaway for me was
on his future was when he told Pam Oliver then
you got right.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Down, Pam. I was when he goes, Pam, I love you.
I was like, was that his goodbye to Pam Hall?
He was essentially, guys.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
It wasn't the press conference, It wasn't like his mannerisms,
it wasn't his his demeanor. It wasn't anything he did
or said, or even the five hundred touchdown He's accompliment.
It was his goodbye to Pam Oliver. No, that's it.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
The hug, that was it, the embrace, the I love
you Pam's I love you too, I love you.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Too, Aaron. It reminded me of you know, when we.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Didn't know for sure if Drew Brees was done with
the Saints, and when he walked out of the Mercedes
Super super Dome. Yeah, okay, well, I mean confused bra
Fard for a second.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
When he walked out of the dome.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Remember right before he walked in the tunnel, you saw
Drew Brees do the little turn around.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
You look at you a little sniffle, looked up like
Aaron Rodgers, and then you knew, you knew. It was
the chapter there in my opinion, and if not, it
was a just in case, which goes to really show
you that he's not sure. He really is not certain
that he's coming back, and there's a good chance that
he goes out at least on a win. Win that

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upset the Dolphins, upset Tyreek Kill. But they were already
you know, well, Tyreek Kill gave up. Yeah, but he
leaves on a win, and there's a signature moment there,
a moment, a signature moment that he sort of needed
with the Jets right to at least give him something positive.
But was that also Aaron.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Rodgers' way of showing the rest of the league like, yo,
I still got it everyone.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
And by the way, you know what, you could also
speculate on that he still has it. Even Joe Nameth
on social media was like, you know what, he still
has a lot of game left and if he were
a betting man again, I'm ad libbing here. Though he
said he'll be back next season based on how good
he looks. I am intrigued to see who would bite

(35:56):
on that. He said, Aaron Rodgers is not struggling, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
In another observation Week eighteen, there was a couple really
good f us around the league.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Did you see this as far as power teams.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Sort of screwing over teams underneath them, the Chiefs not
even showing.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Up even a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That was embarrassing that that was their way of saying,
Joe Burrow, guess what, dude, you know, the one guy
that kept us out of the Super Bowl a couple
of years ago. We're not letting you or anyone sneak in.
They didn't show up on a level where they were like, Broncos,
we're not scared of you, come on in Burrow Haha,
big dreaming bro. That was such an intentional we don't

(36:40):
want the Bengals in. We're okay with the Broncos. And
I wonder if the Broncos harnessed some of that old
John Elway energy with those throwbacks yesterday looking sweet. And
the other one was the Bills not even trying to
put points on the board, like simply just letting the
Patriots win that game. And social media was like, yo,
how smart They're playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers.

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Why would they want a division team to get the
first pick.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Back to the Broncos. For a second, it felt like
they could have been wearing a high school football team
uniform and they would have played that way. Ye like
it was.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
It was bad TV. I wrote that that too, rich
embarrassing Chiefs just looking embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
But we get it. How about this?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
You know we talk about quarterbacks that we write off all.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
When you put yourself in a position where you are
the one seed and you're fifteen and one going into
that game. Don't you earn the right to be an
a hole to another team and let's and sort of
call the shots. Isn't that sort of the what goes
along with being great? That's the name of a game.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I Bryce Young again showing that he can ball again
one of the takeaways from a weekend that wasn't supposed
to be that exciting nice win over Atlanta two hundred
and fifty one yards three tuddies, but Bryce Young continuing
to I guess turn the season around a little bit
and give us something to think about.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
And he turned around no look style, mm hmm. That
was that was That was though, Steph Curry style. That
was probably the play of the weekend.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Speaking of young quarterback rich what was your take on
on Trey Lance? Like, what were your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
It's hard, It's hard to really gauge. It's hard to
gauge when it's a game of insignificance.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
But I mean there were moment against it, as they
said multiple times, significant to a lot of certain players,
though significant to him.

Speaker 14 (38:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
No, I mean you guys are getting a look and
that's why when the Chiefs didn't show up, and you're like, man,
that was Carson Wentz's opportunity to take the field this year.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
That that, Yeah, that was embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I feel like you could have threw for ninety seven
yards Rich.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, dude, it's it was.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
It was.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
It was rough to watch some of the games, but
you're right, some of the games did have some competitive
juices flowing. But that sort of brings me to Wildcar Weekend.
If you guys are cool with me throwing some things
at you unless you have do.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
You have any other I do. I don't know if
it's a separate discussion or not. I'm still sort of
thinking about it, but I did mention it the Tyreek
Hill comments. So often we want players to be real
and we hate these scripted, keep it real answers all
the time, right, but he sort of went a little overboard,
and I think maybe it was out of just the

(39:16):
moment and the frustration he felt in the moment. I
don't know how much weight we should put on that,
but it's kind of interesting when two huge stars went
out of Miami in a matter of a week and
a half. Jimmy Butler wants out in the NBA. Tyreek
Hill wants out of the Dolphins in the NFL. I
guess the weather.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Miami's a cool city, good looking people, great restaurants, great everything.
I guess you know, great women. Dolphins and Heat can't
keep their stars.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
But you putting a lot of stock into what Tyreek
Hill said when he says he has to do what's
best for him and his family. He's too competitive basically
for that. BS is what he wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
No, you know it just all this does the energy
is it leads us to after the postseason, the playoffs
in the super Bowl. Already know the we already know
the off season fun Aaron Rodgers is he going to
keep playing? Where's Tyreek kill gonna end up?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Like?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
You know what the Niners going to pay party? Like
what are the Vikings going to do at quarterback? And
I guess we'll have to see how the playoffs go
for us. So there's like twenty storylines that you're already
salivating at and we're just hitting the playoffs now.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Some of us don't care where Aaron Rodgers placed him.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I know you don't unless it's the Raiders daatey g
Then I'll laugh.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
You it is not going to be Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
But tye, are you gonna draft a quarterback? Then signed
Aaron Rodgers for one year and you'll love it.

Speaker 11 (40:32):
No.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
The Tyreek Kill story, though, is interesting. What a crazy
up and down season he's had, starting with the whole
thing with the police there.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, the arrest, absolutely, But do you think that like,
do you like how candid he was in that moment, like, oh,
that's refreshing, or do you think that's one of those
clear examples of he should have took a breath, Like
when you're in an argument with somebody and he says
something you wish you didn't say right the email draft,

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don't send it. He could have said, Yo, look right now,
I'm just really unhappy with how things played out. I
don't want to say the wrong thing. I'm not Let's
just say I'm not happy with how things went. I
want to sleep on it. Let me sleep like. He
could have did that, and it might have been a
better look because now you know people, you got people speculating,
or maybe that's what he wants. I don't know. Maybe
it was a good thing.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
You don't want him to sleep on it, though, then
there'd be another kid.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yo, let me ask you this, where do where?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Does I mean too early to speculate, because we got
to look at numbers and payroll and salary caps. But
where where does a Tyreek Hill go from here? Because
he had his run with Mahomes, won a Super Bowl. Yeah,
but it went to Miami, went to Miami and it
was made money. But it turned out that's not the
move for him. So where now it would be?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Well, he basically implied that he should be in the
playoffs right now, and that's where he desires to be.
He's not going to be on Miami. He made that
really clear.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
The reality, could you know, is wherever Tyreek Hill ends up,
he is by no means done.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
He was just unhappy and I think fed up.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
And you know his game was off off kilter, right,
But you don't think Tyreek Hill becomes so key to
another playoff caliber team next year. Add him to any
playoff team or a team that he is missing like.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
A piece of huge weapon. Yeah, huge weapon for any.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Just think about that. Now.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I want to do this thing with you guys, and
I appreciate you guys not looking at the point spreads
I said yesterday, I said, Danny Cavino, Please don't look
at the point spreads because I want to guess the
point spreads.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
We normally don't anyways, because we're not a gambling fool
like you.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
I was just to say that I don't look at
him anyway.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Kevin's like, don't worry, and I'm not good at at
point spreads, but I'll play along. I just want you
to play along again. I'm the gambler of the show.
I know you're not.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I'm the Kenny Rodgers don't know when to really usually
hold them.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh, I think you You've got lots of plastics ery.
It's a good one.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
No brotox yet when you look at Wildcard weekend, I
always like to do this, and if you are someone
who likes to wager, gamble, have a little fun, you know,
be responsible. What I like to do is I like
to guess what I think the pointspread is and then
see how off I am from Vegas. Because if I'm
right on the money, I'm like, I'm not proud of myself.
I'm like, all right, that's what I thought. If I'm

(43:24):
way off, that means my instinct is somewhere different. And
then I like it. Let's just go through all six
real quick and tell me if you had the same
instincts as me. We open up Wildcard weekend Saturday. And
by the way, you think it's funny how they stagger
it where it's all AFC games and then all NFC games,
Like the AFC plays three games before the NFC touches

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the field. So we start on Saturday Shaturday, the Chargers
at the Texans. Now, keep in mind, Harbaugh brings this
team justin Herbert playoffs. Texans sort of limp to the
finish line, sort of, right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
They there, they finished strong.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
They finished strong, but like.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Like three and five in their last eight.

Speaker 10 (44:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
And then then you said last year they were the
young team with buzz, and now it seems like they're
a playoff team, but they're not stacking up. So all right,
I don't want to no more horseman round Chargers Texans.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
All right, Chargers got to be favored.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Right, say, the Chargers are favored even though the Texans are,
you know, tops of the AFC. And it's a home
game for his home game for Houston. Chargers favored by
three only because it's a it's a it's a home
all the money bro charges by. I thought that.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I said, you know what, even though they're on the road,
they're a I think a better team there. They have
one game better record, which doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
But by the way, total guests, but it's it's you
got to a close games in Texas.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, yeah, it would. If it was in l A.
It might be like four and a half or five.
But you know, in Texas field goal makes sense to me.
All right, next game?

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Oh so is that on that on?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Okay, dude, one for one.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I thought you were just guessing in the scene.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Again, my point here will either be proven or not
because I think one of the six games, I'm like,
what when when you get to it, you'll say maybe
Steelers at Ravens. We could argue that the Steelers limb
to the finish line. And I have not I have
not believed in them at all. You know this, You
know that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I give props to Mike Tomlin and saw the.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Ravens just had a huge twenty point line against the Browns.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
And and the Ravens just look when when playing complete football.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
They look like this has got to be a touch
by a touchdown I'll say seven and a half points?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
What are you thinking?

Speaker 8 (45:46):
Cove?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
For fun, I'll just say Ravens are ten point favorites
based on how are they cheating? No, Ravens Ravens by ten?

Speaker 15 (45:57):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Is this does can me to work for draft kings?
Are you making the points spreads?

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
If I was gonna cheat, I cheat on last one
standing because I never went.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Last hour. I heard he was the pro reader of
the show. So yeah, lines on the internet.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Well, no, I agree with Danny. I was just being
bold because I would agree it's over a touchdown. He
said seven and a half, so I'm like, ah, let's
make it a ten. Baltimore by ten.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Some might say that number is a little inflated because
it's a division rival, but Baltimore has been playing hot
and I don't think the Steelers all of answer. So
those two point spreads don't seem preposterous, right? So can
you move on and say those seem sort of yeah? Yeah, Okay,
let's move on quickly. Sunday Broncos at the Bills. Broncos

(46:40):
Sean Payton and bow Nicks making the postseason. They have
moments where the defense looks good. They look good, but
they're going into Buffalo. Who is Thurston? I'll like Thurst
and howl the third.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Wow, I'll go first on this one.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
You know, I think that we've all seen the Broncos
have proven they're a good squad and led by a
great young quarterback. But they're playing Buffalo at home. Buffalo
on stop. I'm saying just by a touchdown, Buffalo by
a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Uh, let's see, I said seven and a half last time.
I'll go up a point. I'll go eight and a
half on this one.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
See you guys ever were in the ballpark. Buffalo by nine?

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Right, so again, so far, I think I'll prove my
point that we're all sort of instinctually guessing these points
for us, right right. Moving on, Buffalo by almost ten.
Packers at Eagles. Packers just had a big key injury
Jordan loves back in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They were in a tough division.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
If they weren't behind Minnesota in the lines, you'd be like, man,
Green Bay, impressive. They're playing in Philadelphia, what are you thinking?

Speaker 5 (47:42):
All right?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
And you got a Saquon Barkley who rested fresh legs.
That was the whole point of resting it, right, So
he's gonna put up big numbers in Philadelphia, but Green Bay,
I mean, Philadelphia Eagles are favored, but by how much? Yeah,
you know, I'm gonna go again. Let's do a Danny

(48:04):
g seven and a half.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Packers aren't a bad team at all. They didn't limp
it anywhere. I mean, they had a strong season for
the most part. They had some injuries with Jordan Love
a little bit to start the season.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'm gonna say they're the one team that's capable of
beating really anything that's it.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Love their defense and Josh Jacobs. That was one of
the best off season editions of the year. I'm gonna
say a little closer, Rich how about five points.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Four and a half? Four and four and a half
in some places? So I liked it. I picked that
one myself. I was like, probably like four and a half.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, they're given They're given the Packers some respect, even
though they're on the road and Philly's a tough place
to play, but the Packers are no slouch. Cool moving
along this might be and these one Commanders at Bucks,
which I think might be. I mean, I love Baker
and I love Jayden Daniels, but I don't think either
of these teams goes beyond this round.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
But Commander's at Bucks.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
What are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think it's a fun game, But I'm with you,
like the Bucks. I don't even know who's favorite.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
I wouldn't think the Bucks would be favored because they
have more experience.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
And there at home.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Yeah, but this feels like.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Not very much. This is this is gonna be a
fun game though.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
It feels like the first game we talked about, which
was a field goal game.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, you're right, Danny j Bucks by three.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
They're just getting the typical home field field goal points, right,
And if you're not a gambler, usually, if it's an
even match, the home team gets three points out of courtesy,
right as the points read all right, So clearly, the
one that confuses me is least one. Okay, Monday night football.
Monday night football vikings at the Rams. Vikings at the

(49:34):
Rams Monday night in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Man, there's so many factors here, Like why is Rich confused?
Because the Vikings just now I set you up the
right Vikings at the Rams. Man, I would have said
until yesterday, I would have said the Vikings were favored,
But now they're at the Rams.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I mean, first instinct is that the Vikings would still
be favored, but by how many?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
So maybe because of their poor performance. Again they didn't score. Again,
they're still when you say favored by three.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Wait when you say poor performance, I keep thinking that, yes,
they couldn't even score a touch.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
They didn't show up last night.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
But again I told you all those blown red zone opportunities.
Pass it to a foot over justin Jefferson's head. Another
fourth and goal where they just are are just short
Vikings on the road, so field goal game. It's Minnesota
by one and a half. I thought it would be Minnesota.
My instinct is way different than you. I thought it
was Minnesota about like six. I thought that they are

(50:34):
going to say last night they played the Lions in Detroit.
Their defense was incredible, like just they were misplays. Lions
just took over. I'm thinking they didn't sustain any major injuries.
My thought was they are still fourteen and three, and
up until last night, everyone was talking about Sam Darnold
potential MVP. What do we think So now all of

(50:56):
a sudden we think their their matchup evenly with the Rams.
I know, in in clutch situations, you're saying Stafford's been there,
won a super Bowl, Cooper Cup, Nikua, Kyra, and Williams.
A lot of these guys got rest. But I I
think the Vikings win this.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Game clear favorite a down.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
So my my favorite points for the week by far
is Minnesota. To me, that's like a way odd calculation.
So I could be totally wrong and well, and that's
why Dan Campbell said see you in two weeks. When
he said that, I was like, yeah, of course. My
first thought was like, yeah, whoever Minnesota is gonna play,

(51:35):
they'll win and then I'll probably lose in the divisional
rally against the Lions.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I agree they're gonna win, but I also agree that
they have it closer because of how they played against
the Lions. But you're right, are not the Lions? Not
not to get all over the place.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
But of the games we just mentioned, is there is
there a non top tier team that that you are
rooting for to make a fun run like you like, oh,
Buccaneers like Baker would be fun to watch Baker and
Mike Evans And ye, yes, I don't.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Know what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I'm not a fan of the Buccaneers.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
What fan of his?

Speaker 11 (52:08):
You know?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I used to hate the guy Iners. That's again one
of those fine lines between love and hate. Baker Mayfield
was sort of an abrasive guy, learned to love him
because of that fine line. Damn, Byer, who do you uh?

Speaker 5 (52:21):
It's not the Buccaneers. I'll tell you that. There's so
plain and just whatever.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
If they wore the creamsicles, then then maybe then absolutely
is there is there a dark horse?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Do you like hardball and the Chargers get hotter?

Speaker 8 (52:33):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Or is it?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
We just gonna have the same conversation where it's like, dude,
as predicted Bill's Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, like is it gonna
be what we think?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Because I don't think the Commander. I think a lot
of people would pick the Commanders, but I just don't
think they're that good. I think that when you look
at how they've won and who they've beaten, it just
isn't doesn't add.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Up to you.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, I mean what they win? What eleven games this
past year? One's on a hill, Mary ones on whe
of the Giants didn't have a field goal kicker twelve games.
Excuse me, I shorted that, But I think the Chargers,
if I had to pick one, it would be the Chargers.
I think that would be the fun one.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
But because as of right now, if if all goes,
can you know according to plan, I feel like the
AFC really is a matter of Chiefs. Obviously have the buye.
You're gonna assume the Ravens and the Bills move along.
Then it really just becomes, oh, who's the fourth team
that's along for that party, Like, who's like the person
invited to the party because there's an extra seat.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I'll tell you this because if you look at what
could happen in the next round. In the NFC, you
mentioned we could see Vikings Lions again. Yeah, and then
you could have I don't know, let's just say Eagles
and Buccaneers. I don't know if that really does anything
for me, But in the AFC, you could have Chargers, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills,
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, So that.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Looks good to me.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
We do this every so often when he's down to
play along Shaquille O'Neal shack diesel trivia.

Speaker 15 (54:05):
Whenever we say not to name drop, that means we're
about to name drop.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 15 (54:11):
Not only our CNR friends with Tyson and mahomes. Hey man,
they're also buddies with a big Aristonta.

Speaker 14 (54:19):
What's up this big Shack Diesel aka Shack fu Heka
Shack Daddy.

Speaker 8 (54:24):
Okay, the big Aristotle. Guess what? Just God wants some
seeing our product.

Speaker 15 (54:28):
Time for some basketball trivia, Shack.

Speaker 8 (54:30):
Diesel basketball trivia? What he said, here's the great frat
boards now breaking records for Refisol radio.

Speaker 15 (54:37):
Shacked Diesel basketball trivia.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
All right, FSR Security walking our broke shackfood into the
main studio.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Hey, broke Shack.

Speaker 14 (54:46):
Good to see you guys. There was danger you been.
Man was little Buddy rich Bridge my little buddy over here?

Speaker 5 (54:52):
I heard recently you're going to be part of the
reason everybody tunes back into the NBA.

Speaker 14 (54:56):
That's right, that's right. I'm always the reason shacked Diesel.
But yeah, it's good to be with you guys.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
By the way, Shacky you team JJ Reddick or Charles
Barkland's little to say, I.

Speaker 14 (55:05):
Saved it for the best show on the radio. I'm
here to propose a fight. JJ Reddick and Charles Barkley
in the octagon. Dana West listening. I want to make
sure we're there. We have a big affiliate in Vegas.
So he's listening.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Let's do it.

Speaker 14 (55:20):
Let's do it in Vegas. Let's do a big jj
reddick Charles Barkley in the ring.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
All right, let's meet the contestants for this game. Ten
time winner Rich Davis right over there is my tiny,
tiny teeny buddy. It's Rich Davis ten times. Another ten
time champion in the room, Dan Bayer right over there. Hello, Hello,
three time winners, botty boy, just three tests, looking for
four and looking to win and seeing our stainless steel
swiggy in our studio lines. All right, buyer, I will

(55:46):
use you for this. Would you love to travel to Missoula, Montana, Dunmore, Pennsylvania, Austin, Texas, Conway,
South Carolina, or San Mateo, California. Let's go to South Carolina,
South tackle lack of John? What's up?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Hey John?

Speaker 14 (56:03):
All right?

Speaker 8 (56:05):
How are you? John?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Say hi to Shack John.

Speaker 15 (56:16):
Here are the rules for Shack Diesel Trivia.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Yeah. The first contestant with two cracked answers is the jump.
If there's a tie, we have a tie breaker question.
Your name is your buzzer, but you do have to
wait until all three possible answers are right. If there's
two wrong ones in a row, we'd move on to
the next question. Are you ready? Let's get it on.

Speaker 14 (56:35):
One, let's get this big arsolo party started. Where did
the great Manu Genobili play prior to his NBA experience?
Kinder Bologna? He to Torna B or C Reggio Emelia.
Where did Manu play first the NB? A rich.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
Man?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
He played in what is? The first answer was Bolooney.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Okay, but you gotta buzz in first, Rich.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
This guy sounds high as could be.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Rich got in there first. So Rich, what's your guess?
A kinder Bologna and you are correct? Wow, And I
think it's because he's full of bologna most of the time. Rich.

Speaker 14 (57:16):
For fun fact, he start on perfect strangers before he
played in the NBA. That was he used to say,
don't be ridiculous, no.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Different guy and pay all right, So John, on this
next round here, after Shack reads the question, A B
and then C, then you could say your name Okay, okay,
right here we go? Round two? All right, Round two?

Speaker 14 (57:40):
Shack Diesel here and I'm a big part of the
big Diesel ratings. Back to the NBA, which team isn't
helping the cause because they have the worst record in
the NBA right now, Hey, the Wizards be the Jazz.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Oh see the Pelicans, Dan Fire, I'm gonna guess the
Wizards whither. I don't think that counts because he helped Dan.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Job.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Buyer is correct? Job that the Wizards for the record
six and twenty seven. Okay, Rich and Buyer on the board. Wizards.

Speaker 14 (58:19):
We move on to the next round. It's round three.
What was I once quoted saying about my awful free throws? Hey,
the later I stayed out the night before, the better
my free throw percentage seemed to be b. I usually
aim at a big dummy sitting behind the basket. I'm
gonna need to aim towards those nosebleed seats, I guess

(58:40):
or see me shooting forty percent of the foul lines
is God's way of saying nobody's perfect.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
You gotta say your name there, Buddy, John, John.

Speaker 8 (58:56):
A, B or C.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
He said, st John, you sound like a big bonehead.

Speaker 11 (59:03):
No, not A.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Unfortunately? Did he say F? Did did he say all
of the above?

Speaker 5 (59:09):
He said A, And then he said F. I want
to bring John the phone in my head.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I agree that I want to bring John through the
phone and smack a little bit spot spot.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
I guess my thought for the steal a. I don't know.
We just said sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. See see I
met c Sorry was it b no?

Speaker 8 (59:30):
See? Oh geez.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
The ratings of this are gonna be worse than the
NBA said.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
You can't like switch answers.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
I blame John.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
All right, Hi, tonight, Rich and buyer on the board.
We are going to go to round four right around
four shacks of trivia. I blame John.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
John is like the Wizards of this game ware Lebron James,
one rookie of the Year who won the League MVP
Award that season season of two thousand and three, two
thousand and four. Was it a Kevin Grant, Kevin Garnett,
the Tim Duncan or ce Jermaine O'Neal no relation to
Shack Diesel wretch.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Rich for the win and to put us out of
our misery.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Hey, yes, Kevin Garnett, Kevin Garnett, not Kevin Grant. Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
I'm sorry, I gotta put my glasses on. Yeah, welcome
to and John representing South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, John, whytn't you go back home, go to sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Thank you for playing the game, John, Thanks John, John,
thank you appreciate it. Thank you, guys. Very special episode.

Speaker 14 (01:00:38):
By the way, Somebody and wife, Thank you, Shack. Somebody
get JJ Reddick and Charles Barkley in the ring. Thanks Shack,
Thanks make that happen. Bye Shack, Bye, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
Rich can proudly say that was his eleventh victory in
this right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Yo, I have a question just in the room because
we all we agree, other than Danny g who is
watching the Lakers every chance he could get.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
By the way, I feel bad for dragging Shack in
here for that. I know me for that. For John
put it that way, trying to move past the coach.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
At least it was fun for the listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
It was fun bring Shack all the way here.

Speaker 8 (01:01:12):
For that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
John should be embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Because we're not honed into the NBA the way we
are after the football season ends. Are we majorly downplaying
that there's two teams that are playing lights out right now?
I saw our old pal Malik Andrews when we worked
with the ESPN talking about how like is everyone just
sleeping on the type of season Cleveland is having right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Fun times in Cleveland again thirty one and four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
BRO thirty one and four, and then on the other
side of things, OKC thirty and five. We're talking about
two young teams that are are playing at a level
that you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Know, but it goes. It's very indicative to the problem.
No one's talking about it, no one's excited about unless
you're an oclehead, Oklahoma City thunderfan or Cleveland fan.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
They're eighteen in one at home in Cleveland right now.
They're playing out of their minds. So hopefully, you know,
I mean, good for them, they get the props they major, yeah,
major pros. Again, I think I think, like a lot
of people, I think once the NFL wraps up, a
lot of people really dive into the NBA more because
the reality is, you're right, the all the issues with
the regular season, the lack of interest, and we're in

(01:02:23):
the height of not only NFL actually the college football
playoffs too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
So at JJ Reddick spoke on I feel like we
nailed it too. We're like we said weeks ago when
when they announced the ratings were down twenty eight percent,
we said, well, part of it is when you have
your superstars of the game and an announcers talking down
about how bad it is. It's like saying, oh man,
this food tastes like ass. You want to try it?
You're like no, or yo, when that movie sucks you

(01:02:47):
want to go watch it?

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
You're like no. The casual fans not going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
To want to tune into a game when guys like
Charles Barkley are saying negative things about it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And JJ Reddick spoke on that, Yeah, it's true. How
do you expect people to care when you don't care?
If you're the GM of the Raiders and every single
person we speak up is available, and you have your Pickens,
not your Kenny Pickens. If you pickt if you have
your opportunity to get any coach?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Is it Ben Johnson? Is it Rabel? Is it someone else?
Is Rex Ryan that wants back in? Like no, No,
Rex is saying he believes he'll be on the Jets.
He really believes it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Craig T Nelson, Jemmy, he's a great coach.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Don't want to retread? Yeah? Would you want to retread
like Rex Ryan? You want somebody that's going to modernize
your offense? Use brock Bauers to his fullest. Get Tom Brady,
who's now helping to run your team, and give him
the elbow and be like, man, get me Tyreek Hill
as my wide receiver. One he wants out of Miami.
Use your first couple of draft picks. Wisely, Tom Telesco.

(01:03:51):
He's not good with contracts, but he is good at
evaluating talent. He's good at making picks, So I think
the Raiders will have another good draft. I would want
Ben Johnson in calling the shots.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
He's a hot commodity right now. We said it before.
He may be overvalued, but what if you could get
a Dion Shador combo.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
I wouldn't be mad at that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Sanders Combo in Vegas, Like Cavino said, that has Billboard
Britten all over.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
That has Vegas. You land in Vegas, and it has
coach Prime and his son everywhere. Matches the showtime, but
winning needs to go with that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
I wouldn't just want this sideshow. That is true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
It's it's just very interesting to think what comes next.
And I bring that up because the Giants are sticking
with Dable and a lot of people forget memory short.
He has multiple Super Bowls as part of coaching staffs
over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
He's a winner historically.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Three years with the Giants, Do we need a little
refresher Caveno just for the hell of it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I mean, that's the sentiment from a lot of Giants fans,
a lot of football fans, like they can't believe it
if any team needs a shake up. When you think
about the embarrassment, and you brought it up by saying
teams that need to be good, we're talking about two
New York teams that are the worst in the league,
the Jets and the Giants. Giants, Yeah, definitely need to
shake up. And that's why it's a surprise. Brian Dable

(01:05:10):
comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
If you remember Daniel Jones, they took him to the playoffs,
they won a game in the playoffs. Yeah, nine and
seven and one rookie year as a coach on that team.
Did great last year six and eleven. Oh down year
this year three and fourteen, another big step in the
wrong direction. So is the sentiment maybe like, yo, this guy,

(01:05:34):
based on how things played out, he deserves one more chance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I think when you play it out with you had
two seasons. When we're talking about Tommy Cutlets, it's not
all his fault, right, I mean, I think he does
deserve maybe one more shot, Like if you are at
a point where you're throwing and no disrespect to my
guy Tommy Cutlet, but.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
If you're throwing Tommy cutlets and Drew Lock and guys
like that out there, like perhaps like maybe Brian Dable
needs a fair shake at one more year, like one
more year, I think.

Speaker 8 (01:06:02):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
All right, interesting enough, all right, Hey, have a great Monday,
no Monday night football tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
So what are you catching up on?

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
Squid game?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
What do you what are you watching? Silo?

Speaker 8 (01:06:11):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
What are you watching? I recommend Piece by Piece that
for Ol Williams documentary is available on Prime. Not so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
All right, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Until then, have
a great Monday night or riba there you baby? Are
you in a promised land?
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