02/13/2021 - The Jason Martin Show - Fox Sports Radio

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talk about Russell Wilson and some of the things that
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in the n b A and flipping it over might
talk a little bit of the association as well, but
let's start here in J. J. Watt ranks fifteen out
of a D nineteen qualified pass rushers in pass rush
win rate according to ESPN Stats and Info. Had five sacks,
two force fumbles, and an interception for touchdown. J. J.

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Watts one of the great defensive players, certainly of the century.
A fearsome pass rusher, a huge effort guy, big time energy,
a celebrity at a position that a lot of times
you don't have a ton of celebrities come from. You
have a few, But he also does something that just

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almost doesn't have a price tag. If you want to
go back to a week ago and Super Bowl fifty five,
what did we learn when we learned even Superman has
this kryptonite when it comes to a fearsome pass rush,
and when he does have an offensive line to protect,

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then he can be had. Ma Holmes didn't just get
beat he got battered, He got bruised. The Chiefs were
dominated by a wonderful scheme from Todd Bowles and a
great night for Tom Brady and his offense. But J. J.
Watt leaving Houston mutually though. He pretty much sat down

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with them and said, I really want to go somewhere
where I can win a championship and I can't win
one with you. And after ten years they let him
out because there wasn't gonna be a cap hit. He
had one more year remaining on his deal, but it
didn't harm them to do it. They're gonna let him
go find where he wants to play. This certainly signals

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even more the dysfunction and the hopeless nature of the
Texans franchise right now. But J. J. Watt, it's one
of those names where you just stand up and take note.
When this hit on Friday morning, everything else kind of stopped.

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Like Trevor Lawrence was having his pro day nearly simultaneously
with the Watt news. I was on the radio and
my daily show in Nashville on w g f X FM,
Fox Sports radio affiliate, and we were talking about other
news that had been breaking. One story that we broke
on our show as a matter of fact, the retirements

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of Marquise and Mike Pouncey, and then the J. J.
Watt story hit, and the thing was it wasn't like
it was a surprise. Everybody knew that it was going
to happen, or it seemed likely that was gonna happen.
But how was it going to happen? Was it gonna
be a trade? Were they going to move him out?
Was he just gonna find a way to get out
of there because there was no guaranteed money left in
that deal? How was this going to play out? And

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how soon was it going to happen? And right as
we're still in the midst of whatever is happening with
Shaun Watson, outgoes J. J. Watt And we're gonna talk
about the Texans in much greater detail a little bit
later on in the show. But for J. J. Watt,
the question now is what is he going for? It

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appears like guys that are leaving as they get older,
and he's still got certainly some good football left in him.
I think he has peaked and he's dealt with a
lot of injuries. And that's my concern. If I a
team out there signing J. J. Watt to be a savior,
I think that you are begging because he is an

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injury risk. Continuously, he's been nagged by it. He's been
dogged by it a lot in his career. When he plays,
he can be awesome. He is a guy who is
incredibly intelligent and knows who he can take advantage of.
On the other side, he picks and chooses his spots.

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He picks and chooses the offensive lineman that he wants
to go at, and usually he knows what he's doing
because he studies up and then he just annihilates that
person throughout a game and just racks up numbers. Those
numbers for the Texans haven't led to a whole lot
in terms of playoff wins, but he is the greatest

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player in franchise history. Now, if Deshaun were to play
his whole career there, it would be DeShawn. But J. J.
Watt is easily the best and most famous Texan to
ever put on that uniform. So what does he want
to go for. It's either about the last great paycheck.
In some guys, that's what they're looking for, but generally

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you're looking for a champion ship around Now this is when, Okay,
I've got a few more years left to really contribute,
where I'm not really gravy training. I'm actually a key
piece where I see myself as a key piece on
a championship run. So I need to go to a
team that's already a contender that could use me as
a pass rusher. And then there's other considerations, and that

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is where am I going to be happy? Where do
I have a tie? I've been in Houston for a
long time. I've done a lot of raised a lot
of money. Now where do I want to go? Do
I want to go play with my brother in Pittsburgh
and t J Watt? It was pretty active on Twitter
and made it pretty clear, Yeah, I want him here.
I think j J would love to play with t J.

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I still believe they're the leader in the clubhouse. I
know those betting odds out, but they're pretty tight. And
it's still pretty early, and you don't know if everybody
is going to offer similar money or if one team
is really going to try to break the bank to
make this happen. But you look at Pittsburgh, I am
we thought, Okay, that's where you'll go. But the problem
for Pittsburgh is I do not think that they are

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a super Bowl contender right now. I think they are really, really,
really near a rebuild. They don't have Ben Roethlisberger's replacement
in the house not there. They don't really know where
they're going. And Ben wants to come back for a year,
which is a mistake. I don't know exactly why he

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wants to come back. He must think they can win
a Super Bowl, but they can't. Whatever the window was
for the group of Steelers that we just finished watching,
that window was done. A lot of those guys are
about to be done. I could see Villanueva walking away.
We saw Marquise Pouncey walk away, Ramon Foster walked away
last year. Who knows what will happen when to Castro

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and then the list goes on and on. Juju. They've
got to figure out whether or not he's going to
be in another uniform. A lot of people think you
will be. It's about to be a rebuilt. So if J. J.
Watt goes there, he needed to be there two years
ago for them to be in a championship window, because
it's gonna take them two or three years. I think
they're likely to be third in the division for much

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of the next five years. Maybe they'll still be pretty
good this coming year, but I think that's gonna be it,
so that doesn't fit the bill if you're trying to
win a championship in your J. J. Watt. The one
that fits the bill really the most is Green Bay
because we know how close they were. They were, in

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my opinion, the most complete team in the NFL, but
they still found a way to get beat. And it
wasn't because they had no pass rush. They did have
a pass rush. But J. J. Watt's gonna make him better.
He's also from Wisconsin. He went to school at Wisconsin,
so there's that tie in that might be the best
overall decision that he could make Green Bays the closest

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team to a Super Bowl. They've got a Hall of
Fame first ballot quarterback, it's still got a few good
years left. They've got a great young head coach. They've
got maybe the best wide receiver in the game in
Davante Adams, and they've got pieces on defense where what
could step in And as long as he's healthy, he

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could really make them better because he's still really good
at what he does. And as we saw in the
Super Bowl, you can almost put no price tag on
a consistent, dominant pass rush. If you can get to
the quarterback, if you can force them off their spot,
if you can make them backtrack. The thing that was
most amazing watching the Super Bowl last week was a

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SUSA ball with snap. Patrick Mahomeson was already running backwards
because he knew his old line, the piece meal that
it was. With four guys in different spots, two guys
that probably wouldn't have been on the field at all,
the best right tackle in the game missing an action
for the last month and a half or so to
an injury, and then Fisher going down in the playoffs,

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mahomes knew he didn't have any time. It was the
first time I've ever looked at Patrick mahomes his face
in the middle of a game and thought, oh my gosh,
he knows they're gonna lose. And I saw it late
in the first half. There was just a look at
mahomes as I like, I don't know what we're supposed
to do about this, especially when you had Hill dropping

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balls and Kelsey dropping balls, everybody out there not really
making the kind of plays you would expect him to.
As good as Kelsey was in a lot of parts
in that game, he did drop a key third down
play and dropped another big one in the second half. Now,
it's not like he was wide open and wasn't taking
a hit as soon as he called the ball or
the ball touched his hands. But still, but Mahomes, the

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look on his face. Whatever it is that you have
to pay to make a quarterback look like that, you
pay J. J. Watt. I don't know exactly how many
great years he's got left in him because he's so
he's so dominant, but he's also so questionable, he's so

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fragile because he's been hurt so often. That was one
of the big reasons why I thought Houston would move
on from him. They needed to get out from underneath
the money. They certainly weren't going to be the team
that needed to pay him going forward. They were gonna
go nowhere in the next few years. Even if they
keep Deshaun Watson, They're not going anywhere. They know it.

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That's why they hired David Culley. More on that still
to come in this program. But what what three years
maybe somewhere in that neighborhood. I don't think he's playing
to forty. Let's just say that maybe he didn't even
play the thirty five. I'm not sure. I'm not sure

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how much punishment his body has taken. I know he's
been injured, but I don't know how much of that
is lasting or how good he's gonna feel three or
four years down the road. Maybe he's gonna play for
a lot longer, but I could see him having two
or three still pretty solid years left in his career.
So if he goes to Green Bay, it makes sense.
Another team that would make sense would be Tennessee because

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the one thing Tennessee didn't have last year was a
pass rush. In fact, it was abysmal, one of the
worst will ever see. Terrible on third down and terrible
with a pass rush. Familiarity with Vrabel when Vrabel was
in Houston, and an offense that was near the top
in every category in the league, a quarterback that didn't

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turn the football over much at all, a running back
that went for over two thousand yards, a great now
third year wide receiver, and a J. Brown. Don't know
what will happen with Corey Davis as if yet, but
you have what you like there other than you have
brand new coordinator offense, and you have a defensive coordinator
in sham Bow and that didn't have the title, but
then was given the title after the season, after the

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team had that puture defensive showing, which might make you
question that choice. But that would be another team you
could look at and said, well, that would make sense,
something like the Rams or the Niners, or even going
to Tampa Bay. All of that would also potentially make sense.

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I tend to think the first three that I mentioned
are the three that will be the most appealing to
j J. The questions are gonna come down to do
I want to play with my brother or do I
want the best chance of a championship. And then it
comes down to two. Really, to me, I think you
throw Tennessee out. Sorry, Nashville, I know him right here.

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Don't don't come Lynch me please. You've got Pittsburgh and
you've got Green Bay. Those are the two that make
the most sense. Speaking of sense or nonsense. The Houston
Texans organization, I don't know that I've ever seen anything
quite like this, and it kind of came from nowhere.

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It's not like for five years we've known that they
were being run as badly as they were. It's kind
of all been stories that we've heard in the last
few years. But talking about j J. Watt requires us
also to bring Deshaun Watson into the discussion. Tyler Dunn
wrote an unbelievable article on Friday Golong tv dot com.

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He used to write for Bleacher Report. He's the one
that dropped that big time Green Bay Packers story a
few years ago for BR the one where it was
Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy and ownership. You know, the
one I'm talking about, the one that really blew the
lid off of why they had not succeeded enough. Well,
Dunn's information on Deshaun Watson and on the Houston Texans

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organization is stunning. So keep what in the front of
your head. Then we're gonna shift them a little bit
to the background and talk about Deshaun Watson when we
come back, because just trying to parse through this article
and figure out what the Texans are doing, I would say,

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grab some headache medicine during the break, because none of
this makes any sense at all. I can't believe how
right I was on this take. I've been wrong on plenty.
Matt Lafleur probably at the top of that list, Lamar Jackson,
at least not thinking he was gonna potentially be as

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good as he was last year. You'll probably put that
on the list too. But I don't know that I've
ever been more right about anything than when I said
the Texans of the worst run organization and all of
professional sports, even with the Knicks existing, even with a
lot of other ones that you could name, I don't
think anybody touches the Texas when we come back. Another
example of why, courtesy of this Tyler Dunn article, you

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So we opened up talking about J. J. Watt. He's
free and clear. Where's he gonna land? First off, I
do want to bring in the crew here and kind
of discuss a little bit a little round table action
here about J. J. Watt, how valuable do you think J. J.
Watt is I'll start with you, Chris, how how valuable
do you think he is? How much football do you

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think he has left? Sorry, I'm like pulling up his
stats just to make sure I have everything here. I
don't know. I think the value proposition of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers this past season has been, Hey, we just
put together a super Bowl winning team of guys who

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are at the top of their game five years ago,
with like Jason Pierre Paulin and Dominican Sue, those kind
of guys on offense, or these reclamation projects like Leonard
four Netty. They all came true in Tampa Bay. So
I think for a guy like J. J. Watt, you
can absolutely go out there with the right coach, with
the right system and get a new lease on life.

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I think where he's a little different is the injuries
that have that have happened. But I I don't know.
It's this is always weird because there's no such thing
as being injury prone. That's a that's a lie we
tell ourselves. There's no such things. Guys just have bad
you know, have bad luck. But there's nothing in J. J.
Watt genetically that makes him more prone to injuries in

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a game of football than literally anybody else. He's just
he has a rough position where he's on that line
and he's immediately meeting the full brunt of an offensive
lineman as soon as he as soon as that ball
is snapped. Like so, I think he'll find some places.
I don't think he will command as much money as

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he used to. But I think what's been lost in
this Jason is that I've seen plenty of takes today
talking about or on Friday talking about, well, he wasn't
really worth the money, and you know, the Texans were
right to release him. He wasn' gonna be productive. But
he was the one who asked to be released. He

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was the one who wanted to go somewhere else. I mean,
maybe it was being maybe it was you know, coming
I don't know, maybe behind doors they were like, look,
you know, we're not going to hold on to you,
and maybe this is your way to save face. But
I just find that to be the more important point
that everyone seems the gloss over is J J. Watt productive.

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I still think he is. I mean he still gets
you know, uh, I'm trying to have yes and I
was looking for his quarterback hits. He had seventeen. It's
not as much as he used to be. It's it's
nowhere near close to what he was again five six
years ago. But again I could say the same about
in Dominican Sue and Dominican Sue. When he left Detroit,

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he went to Miami and he didn't perform at all
in Miami. It took him a while, but guess what,
he was productive for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now he
has a Super Bowl rank. I could see J. J.
Watt going to a team like a Tampa Bay. Probably
not Tampa Bay, but again one of these other teams
who is only a few pieces away, slotting in with
some other help around him so that he's not the

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only target, not getting double team constantly, and just you know,
see what to see what he can do. I think
at this point in J. J. Watt's career, the money
isn't the issue. It's it's legacy more than anything. And
it sucks because at that at this point too, he's
Mr Texan, He's Mr Houston, He's the face of that organization.
He's just gonna look weird for him going anywhere else.

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But I still believe he can play. Yeah, I mean,
so do I He had five sacks last year. He
played in all sixteen games. The comment about injury prone,
he's just has He's had three of his last five
years he's been bitten. He played three games in seen,
he played five and seventeen, he played eight in nineteen.

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Butcher'ston eighteen and twenty by actually being able to play
all the games. But we're talking about a guy it's
probably already Hall of Famer, one of the great defensive players,
certainly of the century. But he's gonna go down in
most people's list, especially if he's able to have a
great second act somewhere potentially have more success in the playoffs,

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where you just haven't gotten a chance to see all
that much of J. J. Watt. But it's got that
has a hundred and one sacks in his career. And
by the way that I mean, he wasn't that productive.
The team was bad. But but between those so those
two years you said seventeen he was injured, but then
when he got to play a full season of ten,
guess what it was almost back to his fifteen numbers.

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He forced like seven fumbles, he had sixteen sacks and
when he comes back, and at this point in his career,
people know who J. J. Watt is. If you are
an offensive coordinator or you are the coach for the
offensive line, your scheme starts with how do we stop J. J.
Watt from getting into that backfield and causing a problem.
So that's right, that's pressure on you that again to
go back to the Sue camp. That's when people learned, hey,

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we've got a double team in Dominican Sue. That's when
Sue's numbers dropped off. And only when Sue stopped being
this primo threat you had to stop, was Sue suddenly
productive again in the statistical in the box score. So
maybe for what you know, as he has been less productive,
that might be something that helps him if he goes

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somewhere else with a defensive coordinator who realizes this is
a guy who just needs time to get back out
there to you know, to get over the injuries and
just get backed out there and be ready to play.
And more than anything to just I mean, what he
brings to your team as a leader, it seems phenomenal
from every effort, yes, leader effort, all of that stuff.

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The difference between what and Sue is that I don't
see what taking plays off very often, uh Sue had
in the past if there was one knock on and
there was times when the effort you weren't as sure
about the effort, and there were times when he was
the most dominant player on the field. He looked a
little bit like Clowney to me at times in that
way with what what was just out there giving you

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almost to a fault, given you too much, which is
maybe one of the reasons why he has been banged
up at a time. But if you were to go
to a Green Bay, or if he were to go
to a Tampa Bay, as christ just mentioned, he would
have a lot of help. He would have other guys
there where you did. You can't just key in on J. J.
Watt that that's always a trouble with Kansas City, even

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though Tampa Bay was able to find their way through.
It is Tyreek kill face double coverage in every single
snap during the Super Bowl. Everyone he didn't have single
coverage once throughout the entire game. Usually if you do that,
somebody else is gonna be open. He just was in
the case because Mahomes didn't have time for you can
always double J. J. Watt, but can you double him

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if there's a bunch of other talented guys next to him.
The thing with Houston in the last few years is
their defense was absolute trash, absolutely putrid. They were one
of the worst run defenses last year. They were always
playing from hind, if not far behind. Deshaun Watson was
doing everything he could, but the receiving cords just wasn't there.
After new Hopkins left, the running game was okay, but

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it wasn't great. You knew there was flux going on
in the coaching staff, there was flux going on in
the front office. Everything about that thing was in disarray.
But the defense was terrible and J. J. Watt had
five sacks. I think J. J. Watt on a more
loaded defense where you can't just key in on him,
where you have to account for him, but you also

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have to account for other guys. He's probably still an
eight ish nine ish sack kind of guy. Maybe. I mean, yeah,
two thousand and eighteen he had sixteen. Do I think
he's having sixteen sacks again? Probably not. Can he hit
double figures, maybe because to Green Bay, maybe because to
Tampa Bay. Maybe if he goes to Tennessee. Maybe depending
on what some of the other guys do, maybe he

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makes Jeffrey Simmons way better and really gets Simmons to
the level of player that you think he can be
on the inside, and he gets some help on the
outside with what and then the two of them together
can roll it. Or maybe they go grab but dupri
on top of it out of Pittsburgh and do something there.
But J J. Watt, as long as he's with some

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other talent to guys I think could be a real force.
We just haven't seen that recently. Goes to Pittsburgh. He's
got Cam Heyward, he's got other talent to do is
they're including obviously his brother, and it could work. In Houston,
it was just J. J. Watt. I mean, you could
barely even name another defender on the Texans team last
year because of how bad it's gotten, how thin it

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has gotten for that organization. So the question is the
drop off more just J. J. Watt trying to do
anything he could for a Texans team that around him,
there just wasn't a whole lot there and maybe whatever
they were able to accomplish he willed them to. But yeah,
in terms of leadership, in terms of being a guy

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in the community, being somebody that's a positive force on
the team, so hey gets you ready to play, somebody
who you can follow their example, you can follow their
effort and practice all of that stuff. J J. Watt
from every indicator. I mean, his only knock. The only
thing I've ever joked about J. J. Watt about really
is he's never met a camera he didn't like. Because

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he's the guy that's out there with battle ropes on
hard knocks at three in the morning. Would you know
to make sure like a private workout scenario where nobody's
actually doing that and J. J. Watt's out there, But
if there was somebody, I would believe you might have
been doing it. Maybe it would have been J. J. Watt. Burch.
How much football do you think J. J. Watts got left?
If the answer is more than one month, you know,

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it's interesting. As as you guys mentioned, because of his
injury history in the past, I didn't realize that he
had played in all sixteen games this season. I assumed
that he had missed some time. In fact, he was
one of only two defensive linemen to play over a
thousand snaps this last season, so he actually does have
a good amount left in him. Pro Football Focus is

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predicting two years twenty five million for what I think
that's a bargain. I think that'd be fantastic. That would
be an absolute steal for an edge rusher like that.
Oh wow. Yeah, So I think a team like the
Packers would make a lot of sense. A team I
think the Bears as well. Arnie and Aaron were throwing
that out as a possibility, and both of those teams.

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You know, the Packers have Kenny Clark, he can draw
a little bit of attention. Khalil Mack for obviously with
the Bears draws a little bit more attention. So there's
there's a lot of options for what. I think he
has more left in him than he than we realize
I had. As I said, I I thought that he
was more banged up this past season than he actually was.
He's actually more durable than almost every other defensive lineman

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out there right now. So uh yeah, No, I think
he's got a good amount left in him. Yeah, two
year mill um, Yeah, that that's I mean, that's a
guy that I think you could get more out of
him when you mentioned Chicago and Arnie and Aaron. They
make the point about Chicago needing what and it being
a solid defensive edition. Problem is, if I'm J. J.

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Watt and I'm looking at Chicago, I'm like, who's the
quarterback gonna be, who's the quarterback gonna throw too, who's
the running back gonna be? How long is Naggie gonna
be here? Because if my offense can't score points, it
doesn't matter how great my defense is, as great as
Tampa Bay's defense was. If Tampa Bay's offense didn't really
start turning it on, if Tom Brady and b A

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didn't start clicking down the stretch, if Byron Leftwich didn't
call just some wonderful games, especially late in that year,
it doesn't matter how great Devon White was. It doesn't
matter how great JPP was, It doesn't matter how great
Shack Barrett was. It doesn't matter. You've got to be
able to score points. That is the thing that would
stop me if I'm J. J. Watt from picking Chicago

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over Green Bay, picking them over Tennessee, potentially picking them
even over Pittsburgh, where the offense is a little questionable
because of Big Ben Roethlisberger. I don't. I don't look
at Chicago and feel like they're about to be fixed.
I don't know if they're going to be part of this.
I don't know if they'll end up with Wentz or
if he'll go to the Colts or if he'll stay

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with the Eagles. I don't know if there's something else
in there, Quiver, there's another quarterback that they're gonna go
snag that's gonna change their fortunes. I tend to think
their offense is gonna struggle again. If I'm J. J. Watt,
I need to go somewhere where the offense can help
me win games. So springing Brian Finley for his first
appearance Finley, J J. Watt, what do you think? I

(28:30):
think that the question is, guys, not only does what
he think of himself play into this? Where is he
as far as his talent level compared to where he
was in his prime? And then what does the team
that is eventually going to be the one that brings
him on? Do they think that he is as good
as he thinks he is? And is he gonna be
worth as much as he thinks he is? You guys

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pointed out the numbers. Look, you've seen guys like Julius
Peppers play nineteen twenty years and maybe that's an anomaly.
But I also go back to the fact what Burst
was saying, he played all of last season, every single game,
only five sacks, and it almost felt like he didn't
really play every game and that he wasn't exactly himself.

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I will say this, and this has been discussed before.
I don't think he's the kind of guy that takes
plays off like you pointed out, Jason. He's not like
a Jadeveon Clowney, who who's notorious for doing that. And
I also don't think he's a guy that's necessarily a
ring chaser and that that's the only basis for which
he is going to make a decision. I think he's
a loyal guy. I think his heart as a place

(29:33):
where maybe he wants to go to a location that
might not be playoff ready, but he wants to know
that he can play like a really big factor in
building up a team and getting them do that, more
so than people thinking that he's just there to to
chase a ring and sling a Lombardi across a lake,
like Tom Brady, m now I think that I think

(29:54):
that all makes sense. I mean, but I think he
thinks he can still contribute, and I think he can't
do as long as he's healthy. I mean, he's a
very smart football player, and the way he approaches it,
it's just a matter of as long as he can
hold up, then I don't know why you wouldn't go
out and get him. I don't think he has the
other knocks on him that say a clown he does,
which is he takes place off, he doesn't show up,

(30:17):
the practice of he doesn't feel like it, his efforts
not always there. I don't think that's ever been a
concern about J. J. Watt at all. I think the
concern is gonna be what's the cap gonna be, you know,
when the new league comes and you know he and
I've seen these articles out there, like it was nice
of the Texans to give him some extra time to
kind of sort out the situation and look ahead and

(30:37):
figure things out. But teams are really not going to
have a firm idea on how much money they can
give him over how many years realistically until we see
what that figure is. So is it really an advantage
for him to already know he's a free agent at
this point. Would it have been that much of a difference? Yeah? Sure?

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What else is going on? All right? So a couple
of big games in the NBA last night, including Nets.
Kevin Durant, returning to Golden State, had twenty points as
Brooklyn clowns on the Warriors one seventeen, James Harden sixteen
assists along with nineteen points. Now, after the game, Kyrie
Irving of the Nets mentioned the process he and James

(31:18):
Harden took to figure out their roles on the squad.
And here's Irving quote, five days ago, I just looked
at him, hardened, and I said, you're the point guard
and I'm going to play shooting guard. That was as
simple as that close quote. Yeah, Steve Nash had I
guess no input there or anything like that. It was just, yeah,

(31:39):
it's good to know they figured it out. Whatever, Yeah,
exactly who also has figured it out? The Utah Jazz,
quietly holding the best record in the NBA twenty two
and five seven straight wins. Now, after they butcher the
Heat one twelve nine, Donovan Mitchell, after getting called out
by Shack on national television, Can genues to put up

(32:01):
big numbers twenty six points for Mitchell in this contest.
The Nicks winners against the Rockets on Houston has suffered
five straight defeats and they did not have the services
of Victor Oladipo as he's still dealing with the foot spring.
The Sun's now sixteen and nine as they take down
the Eastern Conference leading seventies six one eleven. Devin Booker

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had thirty six points in college basketball, Number one Gonzaga
emasculate San Francisco one hundred to sixty one. Drew Timmy
twenty points, ten rebounds. In baseball, third baseman Justin Turner
announcing he is sticking around with the Dodgers is going
to be a reported two year deal with thirty four
million dollars guaranteed along with a third year team option.

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Jordan's speech leads the PGA Tours a T and T
Pebble Beach Pro Am through three rounds by two shots.
There are five guys two shots behind. He has at
thirteen under. Has not one any event since two thousand seven.
Team Serena Williams Naomi Osaka won their fourth round matches
at the Australian Open. It took them three sets to

(33:07):
do so, but they advanced to the quarterfinals. The third
seed on the men's side, Dominic team just went down
and the one seed, Novak Djokovic, is set to play here.
Jason in about an hour and twenty minutes in his
fourth round match against Milosh Rounitch. Jason Martin back to you.
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Mike Sandos piece on possible landing spots from J. J. Watt.
The first two are Green Bay in Pittsburgh, which we've
already discussed in great to tail. His number three pick
is Buffalo, and he talked about what they need to

(33:49):
do defensively. They dealt with Kansas City, Tennessee. Kansas City, well,
they dealt with Kansas City twice in Tennessee, struggled in
all three of those games, lost obviously in all three
of those games aimes. They've got to do better there.
They've got to have more of a pass rush. So
when you look at potentially adding J. J. Watt there,
that would make sense. He's got Baltimore at four. I

(34:10):
don't think Baltimore is close to a championship right now.
I know some would disagree, but I don't think that offense.
That offense needs a few pieces. I don't know if
they're gonna get him or not. I need to see
more of that now. Number five I had been thinking about,
and that's the Rams. You add him to Aaron Donald,
They've got Ramsey in the back end, They've got a

(34:31):
new quarterback in Stafford. I mean, think about that for
just a second. The offense. I think, if you're J. J. Watt,
you feel pretty good about the chances that that's gonna
be good with McVeigh. And then you take, even though
Staley left to become the head coach with the Chargers,
you've still got You've already got a good pass rush,

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and you had maybe the best defense in the league,
are certainly one of the two or three best defenses
in the league last year. You join them. Plus, if
you're J. J. Watt and you love cameras and you
love being a celebrity, being in Los Angeles a good
spot to be in for your second career. Ask Lebron
James about that. We'll be right back. Is that Jason
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Jason Martin Show. I'm j Martome in Nashville. I'm on
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(35:35):
Deshaun Watson article from Tyler Dunn. We're gonna do that
to open the second hour of the show. Still looking
at Sandos list of potential landing spots for J J.
Watt and number six on his list as the chiefs.
Now they got Frank Clark and Chris Jones earning more
than twenty mill So I don't know how they could
actually make that work unless what is really not concerned

(35:57):
about money and it's gonna take a massive a cut
to go there, and that's actually gonna lead us into
something else we're gonna talk about in terms of team
building in the NFL based on what we just saw
Tampa Bay pull off with Tom Brady number seven speaking of,
is Tampa Bay guys without contracts next year? Shack Barrett
and you're gonna have to break the bank to get

(36:19):
him back, or to get him after what we saw
him do down the stretch. That dude made himself some
serious money this year. And Dominican Sue doesn't have a
contract right now. Lavonte David doesn't have a contract now.
He's the longest tenured Buck, had never even played in
the playoff game before this season, and now he wins
a championship. Maybe they get him all back, maybe they

(36:41):
get none of them back. But J J. Watt going
to join Tom Brady and to maybe try to get
a championship there wouldn't be the worst decision, even though
I well, I don't know, you have to bet against Brady,
to bet against Tampa Bay next year, I'm gonna bet
against Tampa Bay next year. But at same time, at
this point, who would be surprised if they did get

(37:03):
back number eight to Seattle. They still got Jamaral Adams
and Bobby Wagner. But it would also signal, maybe to
Russell Wilson, that they're gonna try, they're gonna do something,
and they need to do something for Russell Wilson. Based
on the events of this week, nine is the Titans.
We already talked about them. This is twenty and twelve

(37:24):
record over the past two years for Tennessee, which is
seventh best in the league, tied with Pittsburgh for that.
But I think Tennessee is in a better spot than
Pittsburgh if you're looking at championship chasing. He's got ten
as the Raiders, which is real interesting just because maybe
Vegas has a lure like playing in Vegas. They were

(37:47):
twenty nine in defensive EPA last year, only two spots
above where he just left. I don't think they're near
a championship either. I think that they are a decent
football team, but they also have that Gruden effect of
they start out really hot and then they trail off
down the stretch. I like some of their pieces, but
I don't see them as they're a year away. I

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see them being a year away from being two years
away in terms of being any kind of a Super
Bowl contender. So you've got J. J. Watt's wife who
plays in Chicago play soccer in Chicago. The Browns is
another team that I thought of. He actually mentions them
in just the field. You could pair him with Myles Garrett,

(38:27):
but then it's J. J. Against t J twice a year,
and that actually might also eliminate Tennessee because, as Chris
Perfect said in the last segment, he's kind of Mr
Houston is J J Watt he loved Houston. He would
have to face them twice a season if he went
to Tennessee or if he went anywhere in the a

(38:48):
f C South. So I find that kind of I
find that sort of hard to believe that that will happen.
There is familiarity with Rabel and it is a good
team and a well run organization. But I don't know
that he wants to be in the same division. Maybe
he wants to be out of the conference, Maybe he
wants to be in the NFC. There are landing spots. Again,

(39:08):
I think Green Bay is the best opportunity to win
a championship and be somewhere that feels familiar in terms
of being back home in Wisconsin and partnering up with
Aaron Rodgers for a few years. Probably not the worst
deal Pittsburgh if he wants to play with his brother.
I don't think he wins a championship if he goes
to Pittsburgh. So that becomes a question, and what did
he say Hey, I want to win a title. Wherever

(39:29):
I want to go. I want to be in contention
for a championship. Well that means maybe one year in Pittsburgh.
But I still don't even see it. I could easily
see I'm gonna be dead serious with you, I could
easily see Pittsburgh not even making the playoffs next year.
I think I think Roethlisberger comes back, and I think
it's a mistake. I've said it over and over again,

(39:49):
and now that Pouncey has retired, I feel even stronger
that he should join pouncing and walk off stage left.
But he's not gonna do it. If he's coming back,
they're not winning a title. So if I'm J J.
Watt and I want to win a title, I go
to Green Bay. I even look at Tampa Bay, and
if Kansas City wants to kick the tires, I'll look
at that. If Buffalo wants me, I'll definitely take a

(40:11):
look there, but Green Bay is probably my choice if
I'm J. J. Watt. Unfortunately I'm not. I'd like to
have his bank account. When we come back to Shaun
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(40:31):
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We are alright, So I know it sounds like we're
doing a Houston radio show. We're not. But I think

(41:12):
the two biggest stories in the world's biggest sport are J. J.
Watton Deshaun Watson. But I think Watson's gonna take us
in a larger direction where we're gonna involve Russell Wilson
and Tom Brady and Lebron James and a bunch of folks.
But a lot of things kind of branching off of
this tree of Texans dysfunction. I tease this in the
first hour golong td dot com. Tyler Donn, a great writer,

(41:36):
a great reporter, used to work with Bleacher Report. He's
the guy that wrote the Big Packers expose a few
years ago where you found out just how much vitriol
had been developed between Rogers in particular and Mike McCarthy,
but also you involved I think Ted Thompson in that
mix as well well. He wrote a piece on Friday
morning about the Deshaun Watson situation and title of it

(42:00):
is the Deshaun Watson Trade that absolutely needs to happen.
And it starts out by talking about the Texans repeatedly
calling to Shaun Watson right now and getting no answer.
I'm gonna read some of this to you, and we're
gonna stop and we're gonna talk about it as we
move along. Because I was blown away, so blown away

(42:21):
in fact, that my producer I was just like, hey,
this piece just came out. My producer got the guy
on the phone fifteen minutes later, because and we've had
him before, but it was just like, we gotta have
him on. So here's here's how he writes this, So,
how did the Texans royally screw this up? It's not
too complicated. That made it clear to Watson when he
signed his contract back in September that he'd have a

(42:42):
voice when it comes to major decisions like the hiring
of a general manager and a head coach. That opportunity
arose amid this calamity of a four and twelve season,
and he was basically ignored Jack easterby the Patriots, character
coach from two thousand thirteen to eighteen, had ceased Hour
by then, and Easter be hired Kissario, who has been

(43:03):
with the Patriots since two thousand and two, as his GM.
All signs point toward Houston becoming Patriots South, says one
source quote. That's not what Shaun wants to deal with. Unquote. No,
Watson was not looking for the Texans to do whatever
he said. He was just hoping to have the input
that the franchise told him he'd have all along. If

(43:24):
the Texans never said he'd have input in such matters
to begin with, then Watson wouldn't have had any expectations. Essentially,
he feels lied to any employee, for any boss would
feel betrayed. By such a bait and switch. A lot
of folks side with management over athletes. They side with ownership,

(43:52):
And I think the reason why our minds go there
is because we don't understand the life that a pro
athlete it lives. We try to compare it to something
and you just can't compare it to anything. Fox Sports
Radio Zone Jeff Schwartz told me that years ago, and
I've tried to look at things through a bit of
a different prison since because I was just as guilty

(44:13):
as anybody else. But I've been around a lot more
athletes that have kind of shown me different stories. And
the thing is, we always look at a guy that's
making We even look at seven figures and think it's
a lot, but certainly eight figures, and they want more money,
and they're trying to restructure contracts, and they're trying to
use leverage and do all of these things, and we

(44:36):
just don't understand it because we can't even fathom that
much money, the money they're already making, how dare they
ask for more? But we don't understand that. We also
don't understand that Adrian Peterson is still playing football because
he still owes people money. There are folks that blow
all the money that they have. There are rookies that

(44:58):
run through all of their guarantee money, never see the
field and turn into real sad stories. I fear we
might be looking at one in Tennessee right now with
the first round pick last year. All of this stuff
is so unique and not comparable to anything else, and
certainly nothing else in our world. The other thing is,

(45:25):
if you're Deshaun Watson. I spoke to NFLPA Executive director
to Morris Smith a couple of days ago, and he
kind of laid it out. He was just like, if
you're a lawyer, are you not looking for the best
law firm? Are you not looking to find the best offer?
Are you not looking to improve your situation? If you're
in a rundown law firm where things aren't clicking, where

(45:48):
you're not getting high end clients, where you feel like
the ability to thrive is thwarted to some degree, are
you not looking for a way out? And especially if
it's bad management and if people are taking money off
the top, if there's a slush fund, if you're having
to defend unsavory characters with the threat of your job

(46:09):
on the line, if you don't all of those things
might lead you leave. Well, I just said in the
piece Tyler Dunn rights, Essentially he feels lied to quote.
He didn't demand anything. They didn't even say that. He
didn't even say you had to do it. He just
wanted to have input. He said to them, Hey, I've

(46:32):
heard good things about Eric b Enemy. I just wanted
him to interview him. Houston never did. And then you
get to David Culley, who's now the head coach. Folks,
I could turn out to be very wrong, but this

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appears to be one of the worst hires in recent
memory and professional sports. Quoting again from Tyler Dunn's article,
you'll hear very good things said about the sixty five
year old Cully as a person throughout the NFL, which
you won't hear as many good things said about Cully

(47:14):
as a coach. To recap, he was the wide receiver's
coach on the Chiefs team that became the first ever
in the sixteen game era to go all season without
its wide receivers catching a single touchdown. The last team
to do so, period was the y A. Tittle led
nineteen sixty four New York Giants. He drew miserable reviews
as a first time quarterbacks coach in Buffalo in many

(47:37):
in the build listened to this, put down your beverage. Also,
many in the building believe, meaning in Buffalo's building, believe
there's a good chance Cully and offensive coordinator Rick Dennison
could have ruined my homes that first season if in fact,
the Bills drafted the Texas tex squash spuckler at number

(48:01):
ten overall, which reportedly they were seriously considering. Think about
that statement. People in the building think that they would
have ruined Patrick Mahomes. So you've got not great results
in Kansas City, Buffalo folks saying, man, what a great guy,

(48:22):
what a wonderful human being. And that's what they're saying.
Nothing about his coaching acumen at all, in fact, a
lack of acumen. And then he writes, and last year
Culley was the passing game coordinator on a Baltimore offense
that finished last in passing. This guy became the head
coach of Houston, Texas. Why and if you're Deshaun Watson,

(48:49):
how like if you wanted to keep DeShawn, why would
you do this? If all bets were off and you
could do whatever you wanted to do. Why wouldn't you
make Eric b Enemy tell, you know, just to try
and salvage Deshaun Watson because he is your franchise. Yeah,
your franchise valuation is three point six billion. How much
of that is because you're an asset or how much

(49:10):
of it is because you had J. J. Watt there
and you have Deshaun Watson there. Seriously, I know that
you're worth billions because you're an NFL franchise. I understand that.
But the reason these franchises are really worth money is
because people actually want to pay to go see him.
Who wants to pay to see Houston? Wants to Shawn Leaves?
Considering Watt's now gone to what's the box office attraction?

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Hopkins is gone? What's coming here? Back to Donne's article,
One source close to Watson listen to this too, even
believes the Texans brass is well aware that they'll be
terrible and plans to fire Culli and hire Josh McDaniels
in two years when McDaniels is free from his Patriots contract.

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Why in the world would anyone's side with that organization.
We might not understand what it means. To have that
kind of money, or to have that kind of responsibility
at the helm of a multi billion dollar franchise, to
be the starting quarterback. We might not understand what it's

(50:17):
like to be Deshaun Watson. But can you blame Deshaun Watson? Seriously,
He's twenty five years old. He's watching Patrick Mahomes explode.
He's seeing new guys come into the league in situations
that seem fun. He's having no fun at all. He's

(50:39):
being sacked in insane number of times. He's winning four
games while throwing for forty eight hundred plus yards. This
past season, m v P numbers on a four win team.
They got rid of his friend, the wide receiver Hopkins.
They did not live up to what they promised it

(51:02):
when he signed his new contract, his extension back in September,
which was just let me be involved, let me have
a little bit of input and just maybe suggesting people
I'd want you to talk to. They didn't even do that.
They're coming in and cleaning house. Team president. He resigned
as well. Everything is changing now. I thought about that

(51:22):
that movement. I was just like, Okay, well, maybe that's
good because the old guys might have helped ruin this too,
But it seems like it's Easter be that wreck this thing.
If they're trying to turn into New England, they are
jettisoning everybody. They're firing PR people that could have helped
with some of this. I mean, think about the J. J.
Watt deal. They're getting credit for the J. J. Watt decision.

(51:43):
All they're doing right by him. I mean, yeah, they are.
But multiple things that I read on Friday suggested that
they did it because they wanted some good PR, because
they know that their organization looks like garbage right now.
It looks like garbage because of the decisions they're making.

(52:04):
We don't all of a sudden think they're less garbage
e because of this. They could have gotten something for J. J. Watt.
But at least it's not gonna cost them anything. But
did you really see it as good PR? No, you
just thought, well J. J. Watson one in the Texans sting.
So Deshaun Watson felt lied to his own sources are

(52:28):
telling him David Culley is a lame duck coach. Before
he ever even coaches one game, He's watching young guys winning.
He's seeing dynamic head coaches. Around the league, younger guys,
and he wants to compete for championships, and he knows
it's not gonna happen in Houston. What knew it wasn't

(52:51):
gonna happen in Houston. Whether that was mutual and they
told him, hey, we're gonna release you, so do you
want it to be on your time and just say
you want out? I imagine what did one out? And
I imagine they probably were gonna let him go either way,
so we probably was mutual. The other thing that Tyler
Dunn's piece makes very clear is that according to people

(53:17):
really close to Watson who know him well, he's willing
to sit out the entire year if he has to.
If they do not move him. He's willing to not
play that he has zero interest in playing for the
Houston Texans, zero quote. Watson has the patience and frankly,

(53:38):
the money to stand his ground here. He's gonna go
to a place with a bad offensive line where they
have one piece an awful defense that just got much
worse money trouble as well, not a lot of weaponry.
He's gonna go there at and he's gonna give up

(53:59):
a year or two more of his career or a
season of his career where they're not going to be
competitive at all, but he might still ripping a c
l or tearing achilles or who knows what. Why put
that extra tread on your tires. If you're Deshaun Watson,
I'd sit out and I'm on his side. The Texans

(54:24):
found a way to jack this thing up seventeen ways
from Sunday and right now they're telling teams we're not
going to trade him. We have absolutely no intention of
trading him. They're gonna try to wait him out. I
think they're gonna eventually lose here. Miami's out there if
they I think Cassarrio really liked to Alright, Cassario, go

(54:48):
get to and get a couple of draft picks from
Miami and buy a couple, I mean a lot. Send
to Shawn to Miami. One of the places where he said, yeah,
I'd like to go Miami. San Francisco. The Jets, I
think are a little bit more of a long shot. Now.
I think Denver might be a long shot too. Miami
is the one that makes sense. If they still believe

(55:08):
too as a guy, then at least they get a
quarterback back out of this. They think might be a
generational guy as well. Three first rounders to you make
that move, because if you're Houston, what you can't do
is just let Deshaun Watson sit at home while you're terrible.

(55:29):
If he's willing to forfeit that money, what does that
say about you? Who really does have the leverage here?
We moved from that to Russell Wilson and the lessons
learned from Tom Brady when we come back on the
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If you're Nick Kisserrio, you gotta you're probably gonna have
to make this move. You might wanna find a way
to salvage that you're not not with the David Culley thing.
That was the last straw had to be back to
Dunn's article real quickly again, and you can find it

(56:13):
yourself and go along t d dot com and go
along with Tyler Dunn formerly Bleacher Report and other locations.
Miami number three overall pick which used to be Houston's.
It was a Laramie Tounseil deal, number eighteen overall pick
in the first rounder next year plus two A all right.

(56:34):
He writes about how the Dolphins made a huge mistake
in taking to A instead of Justin Herbert, and that
more and more scouts belief to A is not ever
going to be a franchise quarterback. And in two years,
if Miami still got him, they're gonna be looking for
somebody else. But Kisserrio apparently still really likes him, thinks

(56:55):
he can be a franchise quarterback. If so, okay, if
you get the number three, if you get to and
you go, maybe you go grab him a weapon, you
go grab Jamaar Chase because you assume Smith is probably
gonna be gone. Maybe you do something else. Maybe you
try to protect to on the offensive line. I don't know.

(57:16):
But you can't just let Deshaun Watson rot at home
like you can do it, but it's not going to
benefit your franchise. Maybe some people will turn on Watson
in the public, but that's not gonna affect anything. You
have to strike when you can, And I don't know
where your leverage really is here. Because your guys come

(57:38):
out and said, I don't want to be here anymore.
And when you look at the organization, all the moves
that are being made in the office, on the sidelines,
and over the past few years on the field, and
with what leaving as well, it just feels like it's
bottom time. It's bottom out time. And those that think, hey,

(58:02):
Collie's here for two years and Josh McDaniels headed in
because again we're trying to recreate the Patriots in our
front office. So let's go grab McDaniels. I mean, Watson
doesn't want to be there, you gotta get him out.
Russell Wilson spoke to Dan Patrick and we are we
we all have heard that audio several times. I'm sure

(58:22):
he said numerous stuff. He says he's tired of getting hit.
It sounded like he was throwing his old line under
the bus, but he did admit, yeah, a lot of times,
I'm holding the ball way too long, trying to make
a big time deep throw down the field, waiting for
guys to get open as opposed to take in something smaller.
He's looking for great instead of good, and sometimes he
gets nothing because of that, or he gets sacked. Pro

(58:45):
Football Focus had multiple guys come out and say, look,
a lot of the sacks that Wilson takes are on him,
like nearly half well, I think a hundred and four
completely on him, and he does he holds the ball
too long and it gets amit. But he also said

(59:06):
he wanted in put in personnel matters, see, he felt
like that would help. I didn't think any of this
was nearly as as many others did. My take on
it was that Russell Wilson never says anything. So he
says a little bit here and you immediately flipped the
wondering what that is. I'm gonna take you back to
Super Bowl. Did you see during the game when they

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cut to the press box where it was Roger Goodell.
Next to Roger was Russell Wilson and Sierra I've never
seen remember I told you in the first hour, I
had never seen the look on Patrick Mahomes face that
I saw late in the second quarter in that game,
and certainly in the third quarter. I've never seen him
look like he knew they were gonna lose until then.

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I've never seen this look on Russell Wilson's face. Now
he had a mask on. But he looked disinterested, He
looked frustrated, he looked bored. And my guess is he
was also a little angry watching Tom Brady and watching
Patrick Mahomes, and especially Brady. He watched what Brady did,

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and he watched what Lebron James did. And Russell Wilson says,
why not me? I want to win? Because Russell Wilson
right now is in the same boat with Drew Brees,
in the same boat with Aaron Rodgers. Now Brees his
career looks like it's over. Aaron Rodgers still has a
few years left, but this might have been his last

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chances of Super Bowl, and he lost in the NFC
title game. Russell Wilson and that Seahawks team brodshein. Brian
Schottenheimer's out of there finally, which is potentially good. But
the guy that came in, I don't think Russell Wilson
was too enthused with. He's had a very conservative offense.

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Remember what Carol said after they lost in the playoffs
this year, we gotta run the ball better. And buy that.
I mean, we've got to run it even more. Oh
my gosh, Really, that's all you've wanted to do your
whole career there, despite having Russell Wilson with the prettiest
d ball in football. So Wilson, I don't think he's

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trying to will his way out of Seattle at all,
but he is looking at what Brady just didn't he
saying why can't I do that? If he could build
a team, why can't I build a team? Because what
did Tampa Bay really do when they acquired Tom Brady?
When you asked the question, Brady your Belichick? One reason
you can say it's Brady of others. I mean there

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are many, but one is because when you get Tom Brady,
you don't just get Brady. You get his entire show.
You get the Tom Brady experience. And what that meant
this year was Brady calling Leonard four Nette and saying, hey,
you want a second life. It was getting Antonio Brown

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despite Bruce arians wanting no part of him. Remember that,
remember b A saying no, he's not gonna be in Tampa.
He ended up in Tampa. Why do you think he
ended up there because Tom Brady wanted him there. Because
Tom Brady knew the A B that I saw in
New England, It's going to be different than the A

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B we saw with the Raiders, and at the end
was Pittsburgh and speaking to some people that played with
A B in Pittsburgh, A b's work ethic and his
desire to win Trump Doll. He just wanted somebody wanted
as bad as he did. So we got there, and
really there were no problems with Antonio Brown, were there.

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He just kind of showed up and played football. He
played his role. He didn't get that many touches, didn't
need him. Still caught a touchdown in Super Bowl. And
then they got a retired player, Rob Gronkowski. You think
ros coming back to play for anybody other than Tom
to play with Tom. They ran it one years and
and one. He could retire again. Now maybe he comes back.

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He had an unbelievable Super Bowl. Last week. We spent
a good bit of time debating Tom Brady or and
well Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. But then we did
Rob Gronkowski and Travis Kelsey as the greatest tight end
and Grant had an unbelievable Super Bowl. But what Tom
Brady did was he brought the show with him. Now

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he's able to do that because it's not like he
went in great it's not like Brooklyn. Okay, this isn't
Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and James Harden. You can't really
do that in the NFL. There's too many guys on
the roster, the cap. It just doesn't work in the
same way. And most of those NBA teams that we

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see now, the super teams that have been created, had
their genesis in international play. A lot of times with
the Olympics, where guys would become friends and then they
would want to partner up. That's why Miami happened. That
explains a lot of the movement that we've seen in
the NBA. These guys become friends, they get tight and

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they say, man, what would be like to play with you?
And then they found it, especially if they get along
in practice, they get along in the games and they
can see how it might work. But in the NFL,
you've got a fifty three man active roster, you got
a practice squads, you've got many more transactions that have
to take place, and there's a lot more people on
the floor on the field a battle. You've got eleven

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on eleven instead of five on five. What Brady did
was he brought guys that made sense that wanted to
come be part of what he was doing. If J. J.
Watt goes to Tampa, it'll be because of Brady. So
you look at Russell Wilson in Seattle. He's got Metcalf,

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he's got locked, he likes those guys. Doesn't really have
a top flight running back, but he got a couple
of dudes that are carrying to rock. Offensive line has
never been particularly strong. Defense got better, certainly Jamal Adams,
but even Carlos Dunlop helped them out. But I think
he's just basically alerting everybody up there, hey, we don't
have a roster that can compete right now. I'm not

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gonna cause a stink and force you to go sign
a bunch of people. But I could barely tolerate watching
what Tom Brady did. I was in the press box
thinking that should be me. Why can't that be me?
I don't want to end my career with one Super
Bowl and right now that's where we are crushed. My

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Denver Broncos lost to the Patriots, and that's been it.
Hall of Famer obviously, just like Aaron Rodgers, just like
Drew Brees. One super Bowl right now, Patrick Mahomes has
one really hard to get there, even harder to get at.
But I think that was more of this. It was

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frustration because he watched the Super Bowl up close and
personal with his wife and the commissioner of the NFL,
and he's like, we can't compete. The Rams are better
than we are. They proved it again this year. He's
seeing young guys succeeding the same thing to Shawn seeing
DeShawn is one of those young guys, and he wants

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to make the move right now. But Russell Wilson wants
to compete for championships, and he feels like, hey, look,
I'm a superstar. Maybe I can get some people to
come here. But Brady is unique in that he's been
there so long. He has the Golden State Warriors effect,

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where when they were really at the height here just
a few years ago, you had all of these veterans
wanting to go take the league minimum, to go there
and chase the ring. They were always able to fill
out something right, and they were gonna do the same thing.
In Miami. They had the Big Three with Lebron and
Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Guys are gonna take less
money to go win a ring the Lakers. Now there

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are teams where okay, yeah, I want to join them.
I want to be a part of that. Nobody's gonna
join Seattle for that because I don't think they see
them in that light as much as they might like
Russell Wilson. So, yeah, he's tired of getting hit because
he knows his career can't go forever. He said, you
wanted to play ten or fifteen more years. He said
that in the wake of Brady as well. It's real.

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It's amazing to me. If you watch the NFL and
you look at these quarterbacks, we all deal with envy. Right,
I'm envious, You're envious. We're all envious. Is something probably
a lot of things. These quarterbacks are envious of each
other two and all of them are envious of Tom Brady, absolutely,
every one of them. Seven Super Bowl wins, ten appearances,

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looked like he was having the time of his life, stumbling,
fumbling and falling off that party boat in the celebration
earlier this week and then going and beating the new
greatest quarterback in the world in the process. All of
them are jealous of them, and that jealousy is spilling
over into wanting to control their careers as fast as

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humanly possible, because they're all starting to realize we're all
playing for second here. Maybe not right this second, this season,
but why not. He just wanted forty three. So I
didn't look at what Russell Wilson said as he's throwing
his offensive line under the bus. I do think he

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was throwing the offensive scheme under the bus, but I
think it was frustration bubbling over in an interview where
he's he's grasping trying to figure out, how do I
get a second Super Bowl? I wish they'd listen to me,
even though they have in the past. I think he

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he wants Tom Brady. He wants that effect. He wants
to be able to go grab his own gronk, his
own a b his own for neet. He wants to
put the pieces together. He wants to be the kid
putting together the giant boat or the giant seahawk in
this case, on the lego board. And right now he's

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not and watching Brady win that seventh one was probably
too much for him to bear. Go back. If you
have that thing saved, if you have it on your DVR,
and maybe there's even photos of it. When they showed
Russell Wilson, Have you ever seen Russell Wilson looked the
way he looked in that press box watching that Super
Bowl when they cut to him on the broadcast, it

(01:09:48):
was illuminating and I opening, to say the least illuminating
an eye opening. Also descriptors for Brian Finley, we bring
him in to catch up on the latest, including that
Brooklyn Golden's tape match up. Yeah, that was the lead
in the NBA last night. Jason Kevin Durant in his
return to the Bay Area for the first time since
being a Warrior, sticking it to his former employer twenty

(01:10:10):
points the Nets win one thirty four one seventeen. After
the game, Durant's new teammate Kyrie Irving was asked how
he and James Harden decided on their specific roles with
the squad. And it's very clear that Irving is the
alpha dog. We established that maybe four days ago. Now.

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I just looked at him. I said, and you're the
point guard and I'm gonna play shooting guard. And I
was as simple as that. So he's been taking control
of the responsibilities and doing an incredible job, and it
makes my job easier to just go out and play
play three and just make plays. So it's a luxury.
I just wanted to continue. And then Jason Steve Nash said, oh,
that's news to me. Right afterwards, Yeah, and then they're like,

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so when when are they going to figure out in
Delanea who's gonna play defense? Because I'm still waiting to
see that exactly. The Jazz are playing deep events and
they have won seven in a row. This time they
take down the Heat one twelve ninety four and don't
look now, but Utah owns the best record in the
NBA quietly at twenty two and five, and they are
one game ahead of the Lakers, who are twenty one

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and six. The Knicks win against the Rockets one Julius
Randall twenty two points and nine rebounds. If the season
ended right now the regular season New York believe it
or not, seventh in the Eastern Conference standings, they would
make the postseason. The Sun's take down the seventies six
Ers one eleven. Devon Booker thirty six points, and this

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is now the third straight game he has scored at
least thirty in college basketball number one Gonzaga torture San
Francisco one hundred to sixty one, Drew Timmy twenty eight points,
ten rebounds Arkansas with the upset over number ten Missouri
eight eighty one in overtime. The Tigers have lost two straight.
Twelve ranked Oklahoma wiggles past number fourteen US Virginia in

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double overtime sooner as Austin Reeves had twenty eight points
and had four of them coming in the last minute
of the second o t third baseman Justin Turner says
he's sticking around with the Dodgers. It's a two year
deal worth a guaranteed thirty four million dollars with a
third year club option. And finally, Jordan's speeth is at
thirteen under leads through three rounds at the PGA Tours

(01:12:24):
a T and T Pebble Beach Pro Am, and as
a two shot lead with five golfers behind him. Jordan's
speef has not won anything on tour since two thousand seventeen,
and Jason has just sent it back to you. I
feel like four Russell Wilson. This is his emotional breakdown.
This is that the moment where he's finally showing someone
that he's never shown before, like the kid that goes

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to the grocery store and wants something and his mom says, no,
you can't have it. Like he's having that temper tantrum.
He's always been so nice, and I feel like over
time that bubbled up and boiled over, and now he's
kind of showing himself he's haven that that out break,
that that breakdown back to you. Yeah, I mean there's
something to that other the fact that he was still
saying it's sort of nicely, even though he's being more pointed,

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And I think it's just he he knows he's not
gonna play twenty more years and he needs to find
a way to win more championships. When you watch Tom Brady,
it's really easy to be envious of that guy. Welcome
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going anywhere. I don't think that's the grand plan here.
I don't think he wants to get out of Seattle.
I don't think that. Again, I don't think any of
this was really to throw anybody under the bus. He
was answering a question, and he was being honest about it,
more honest than usual. Because if there is one guy
that is coach speak as a player, it's Russell Wilson.

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When you get him in the post game on the field,
you know you're gonna hear nothing of value, and it's fine.
That's just kind of the way it is. Fascinating guy,
just not a great interview in terms of trying to
get something out of him football related. I bet you
he might. He might be really interesting once he's done playing.
I would be really interested to see what he's gonna do,

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because I don't necessarily know if he's gonna be one
of those guys who just goes and lives his life
or if he's gonna be out front. He's gonna have
the opportunity to be to be out front, but right now,
he wants the opportunity to win another Super Bowl, and
he doesn't see the way things are constructed in Seattle
getting him there while he's seeing other guys go all
the time. That is it has to be tough for

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him because he felt like they were going to get
back a lot more than they have They won that
first Super Bowl and then they got back pretty quickly afterwards.
Two years afterwards, didn't run Marshawn Lynch, Malcolm Butler with
the interception, Patriots end up winning that Super Bowl and
then since then, Seattle's just we're in the playoffs and

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that's about it. We're gonna lose to Dallas on wild
card weekend. We're gonna lose to the Rams. First chance
we get this year. We just it's like, what's the
hump and how do we get over it? Russell Wilson's
trying to answer that question. He's thinking, well, they're not
getting it done for me. Schottenheimer's offense wasn't getting it done.
The new guy they're bringing in, he says he wants

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to be explosive, but he also wants to be balanced.
I don't know what any of that means, but he's
just looking at it all and he doesn't necessarily see
a title the way it's constructed, so he wants to
put his two cents in. If I'm the organization, I
would probably listen to him at the very least when
we come back Vegas. Odds on Patrick Mahomes future Super

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Bowl victories are really really interesting, and I think they
indicate just what an accomplishment Tom Brady has put forth
with his seventh Super Bowl and ten tries. We'll be
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over under for Patrick Mahomes super Bowl wins from here
on out per Vegas. I heard R. J. Bell and
Jonas and the crew talking about this earlier in the week.
One and a half. Mahomes has won one and the
over under his one and a half, Tom Brady has
won seven Super Bowls. We kind of felt like if

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Mahomes lost this, he wouldn't catch Tom. That it was
six and two felt okay because my home's in that
offense and everything else. Okay, maybe, but if this thing
gets to seven to one, he's got to get six
just to tie Tom and he's lost head to head

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one and a half being one and a half of
this contract. I remember, this is a long contract, worth
half a billion dollars, and they're saying one and a half.
That shows how difficult it is to reach a super Bowl,
much less win, much less win multiple. He's won one,

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he's reached two in a row. He was an offside
penalty away with de Ford potentially from reaching three in
a row if everything had gone the same after the
first one, of course, and they got chucked. They got
absolutely smoked in a super Bowl that unfortunate only ended
up not being a very good watch. The old line,

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it's not something you can predict. But that's the thing
about football. There's a lot of stuff that can happen.
Guys can go down, and then there's this whole one
and done thing that makes it much harder. When you
watch a seven game series, usually the cream's gonna rise
to the top and the better team is gonna win.
Sometimes you get the upset, but it's a lot rarer

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in football. You can have a bad half in your
season's over all the work you put in over and
for ma Homes, and a lot of people are showing
these wonderful incompletions and all the crazy stuff he was
doing when he ran for four yards laterally left or right,
basically trying to avoid sacks in that game, nearly five

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football fields worth. But it didn't matter. As great as
he is, and we know how great he is, it
didn't matter. One and a half is the over under.
Stop and consider that for a second. Now, if you're
Kansas City and you get two super Bowls out of
the car out of the deal, then you'll take that

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all day because of what they're worth. But Mahomes is
sitting in one right now, and yeah, he should get
back a lot. On paper, of course they should. Talent
wise would tell you, boy, they're gonna be there every year.
Everybody's gonna be compete for second place in a f C.
I've done that take, but I'm pretty sure if I

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had had this show seven years ago, I would have
been doing that take about the Green Bay Packers after
they won the Super Bowl. I would have been doing
that take about the New Orleans Saints after they won
their Super Bowl, and that wasn't even in the last decade.
It was two decades ago, in two thousand nine. That's
how hard it is to get back one and a half.

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I mean, I think he's gonna go over that. I
still think he's end up in five out of ten.
But you can just see how easily it can slip
off the tracks. And even if he gets there easy
gonna win it, folks. Tom Brady won seven out of ten,
seven out of ten. The fact that he made it
to ten and one of them is preposterous. Not only

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is Patrick Mahomes not going to match it, I ventured
to say, no one will ever match it. Ever, you
will never see it again. That's why it's amazing. And
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saving today we are farmers. Kevin Durant The Nets successful
in Durant's trip back to the Bay to play against
Golden State. And I was kind of intrigued watching this

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because Steph is playing outstanding basketball this year for Golden State,
and it still feels like Golden States championship window may
have come to a close. And that's a word that
I've started using a lot more, not closed, but window
as a relations to sports, because we're starting to see
it's just like windows that appear like they're open sometimes

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aren't is open now they cashed in a lot in
Golden State. They won two rings. Durant went down, Clayton
Upson went down the third time out. They had won
before he got there as well, So it's not like
it didn't work out. But don't it kind of feel
like Golden States just not really in the mix anymore,

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just in your head when you're thinking of dominant teams
you're you're thinking about Certainly the Nets are now probably
a team you're thinking about Philly with what Embiid is doing.
The Lakers are the Lakers We've heard friendly tell us
in the updates today about what the Jazz are doing.
We know what the Nuggets are doing. Nuggets are actually
playing Lebron today. That o would be a great game

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with the Lakers in Denver. But then there's Golden State.
I mean, they got beat and they got beat pretty handily.
Here you really look at a fourteen and thirteen Warriors team. Yeah,
Clay's not playing right, but where would you have them slotted?

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And every year stuff gets older. I know he's still
got a lot of great basketball left in him, but
I just feel like that window. Look, they accomplished a lot,
but it just feels like they're kind of second tier now.
I mean, look at Draymond Green. I'm actually watching him
on the screen in front of me right now. Golden
State is twenty nine and sixty three since Kevin Durant left. Now,

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they've fallen on some tough times in terms of injuries
and things like that, but that's just a team that's
not They went from being totally loaded to not loaded
at all, and now Draymond Green is starting to look
more like, Hey, this is what he looks like when
he doesn't have a ton around him. Always made that
point that was easy for Draymond Green to talk the
way that he talked and be the player that he

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was because he had stuff around him. He had Clay
around him, and he had kat around him, and even
I got like Iguadoalo around him. If he was in Orlando,
you'd never hear a peep from him. Well, I mean,
he's talking now, but he's a three time champion now,
so he's gonna talk. But what do you have? Six points?
Last night? The Nets beat them by seventeen. The Nets

(01:24:10):
are what third in the East. I still worry about
their defense. But I look at Golden State and I
just think to myself, across the sports landscape, sometimes you
don't realize how narrow the opportunity actually is and how
fast the window can close. In the NFL. And I've
made this point previously on this program in weeks past

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and months past. If you have a quarterback, your window
can remain open a little bit longer. Jacksonville looked like
they had a defense that could get them to a
Super Bowl, but they bet on the wrong quarterback in Bortles.
The Bears look like they had a defense that could

(01:24:53):
get them to a title game, could get them to
the super Bowl. But they had Rabinsky slash full. The
Rams got to a Super Bowl lost, haven't been back,
and they have bet on the idea that their window
needs to be opened with a new kind of crowbar,

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and Matthew Stafford carried it in and try is not
right now trying to wedge that window back open. They
have a defense that can win a Super Bowl. And
what we're seeing right now again in the NFL is
that defense does in fact still win championships in a
way that that I never would have thought, because it

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certainly felt like the best defense in the NFL now
was an offense that could score thirty five. But what
we're seeing is the opposite. Eleven of the last twenty
years in the NFL, a team ranked in the top
two in total offense made the Super Bowl. You want

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to guess what the record for those eleven teams in
those Super Bowl games are one in ten, one in ten.
And then you look at Tom Brady, who's won two
and the last three right in those games against Sean

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mcveigh's Rams team. The year that they're putting up fifty
four points against the Chiefs and no one can stop
the offense. So when Gurley was rolling, it's when golf
looked like he was gonna be worth the money they
paid him that offseason. The Rams and this year's Chiefs

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with Mahomes and Kelsey and Hill and Hardman and c
those two teams combined to not score a touchdown in
those Super Bowls. Tom Brady didn't have to do much
against the Rams. He did just fine against the Chiefs,

(01:27:05):
but they barely even needed it there either. So defense
does still win championships, but if you don't have a quarterback,
it's still was gonna catch you. The defense one titles
with Tom Brady as a quarterback right Jared Goff, Blake Bortles,

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Mitch Dubinski. Those windows closed. Jacksonville might have a second
window opening, but that's because they have eleven draft picks,
including number one, where they'll take Trevor Lawrence, who looked
great in his Pro day workout on Friday. They got
a brand new head coach, They've got a completely new everything.
It might take a couple of years, but that's gonna
be interesting to watch and probably fun to watch. The

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Rams are trying to build a new window in their
home with Stafford and the beer and the Bears are
at least dabbling in the Carson win steel, which to
me is the equivalent of I don't know, breaking the window,
which doesn't really open it. It just ruins the house.
If I'm the Bears, I don't think Carson Wentz. If

(01:28:11):
I'm a Bears fan, I don't want Carson Wentz. Colts
I might feel differently. We'll talk about Carson Wentz in
the next segment, but back to Championship windows again. Mahomes
one and a half is the over under in Vegas
for his Super Bowl wins. From here, you think about
Golden State. If you watch that game last night, Steph
still looks great m v pH candidate. But on a

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team that's barely five Clay comes back, how much better
does that make them? Well, I think they're either eighth
in the East or right out of the playoffs. They're like,
right there, Clay's gonna make them better. But at this
point a lot of other teams have caught them and
they don't have the firepower they used to have. Clay
will make them better offensively, but Denver and Utah and

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some of these other teams are more complete than they
are now. Maybe Golden States and learned something about itself,
and they're gonna be able to retool and come back firing,
come back swinging. But it feels like the window closed
and Lebron moving to the West and Kauai going back
to the West may have sped up that decline a bit.

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And then with the Nets, who knows what their window is.
If they have a window, it is right now. But
they do have some guys that we got to see
how it works. If it's not working all that great,
how their attitudes are. I like what I'm seeing from Durant.
I like the idea that Kyrie and Harden at Cairous,
just like, hey man, you're gonna be point guard. If
Kyrie can stick to that. I mean, that's what Harden

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wants to do, is be ball dominant. As long as
he doesn't turn into a black hole with the ball
George Costanza style, then they could be all right, except
for the fact that their defense is pitiful in that
they don't play it. But they're gonna score so much
that you're never going to beat them by very much.
If you do, you're gonna have to outgun them for
the most part. But that's what what struck me watching

(01:30:11):
Golden State is has that window closed? Even if Clay
comes back next year, is the window kind of over already?
I mean, eventually Lebron is gonna stop playing ball, and
maybe Golden State is gonna be there, maybe Wiseman and
whatever they're gonna do going forward in the drafting and
free agency, they're gonna be able to put something new

(01:30:32):
together and go after this thing again. But you can
see how fast a window can go from how could
they lose too? Probably not gonna make the playoffs, or
if they do, they're not gonna be that dangerous if
they get there. And the comparison that people always make
from Mahomes is Steph Curry because he feels like a

(01:30:54):
cheek code. He feels like he's broken the game of
football the way he plays it. Steph Curry feels like
he broke the game of basketball the way he plays it.
And we've seen a lot of success for stuff in
the short term. But he still did have a lot
of talent around him, because you can't win without a
bunch of talent around you. That's why Deshaun wants out,

(01:31:16):
That's why j J. Watt wanted out. That's ultimately what
leads to a lot of these moves, And then you
just look at other squads where it looks even if
they won a super Bowl, it feels like the window clothes.
Look at Philadelphia. We're gonna talk about Carson Wentz in
the next segment, but Philadelphia went from a Super Bowl

(01:31:39):
to one of the worst teams in football, with the
quarterback that seems like he is irreparably shattered and a
coach that's been fired, and an organization that seems like, gosh,
we should have kept Frank right. And I think Carson
Wentz would agree. It just ended up from the indicators

(01:32:04):
that you're seeing, it went bad with Carson Wentz and
Doug Peterson, but they had a window. We thought the
Falcons look like they were gonna be pretty dog on
good until they lost the three lead and then you
really didn't hear much from them again. And now they
gotta do head coach. We'll see whether or not they
stick with Matt Ryan. I still think they might be
dangling him out there as a piece that's not being

(01:32:25):
talked about right now that all of a sudden is
going to be talked about closer to the draft. What
you have to think about when you're watching your favorite
team in any sport, it's how big a window do
we think we have right now? How many years with
our current makeup, the pieces that we know we're gonna

(01:32:47):
have for however many years it's gonna be. How many
of those years are we viable to win a championship
without a bunch of stuff just going our way luckwise
in a one and done sport. I don't know if
that makes it more or less likely. I know, winning
four out of seven if you don't have Lebron and
Anthony Davis is going to be really hard. But watching

(01:33:12):
the Warriors, I just could not get out of my
head the vision that that window is shut. Maybe I'm
pouring dirt on that grave a little too soon. I
know how talented they can be, and I know they're
not at full strength, but everybody else has gotten better
around them, and you're finding out right now how important

(01:33:35):
to Rant really was. Steph can be an m v
P and they can still miss the playoffs. Deshaun Watson
can throw for forty hundred yards and they can win
four games. It takes more than one in most cases.
Mahomes can be all world and looks like he's Harry Potter.

(01:33:55):
I always talk about sorcery and then they can get
absolutely trucked because of the offensive line and Tod bowls
of scheme against it last week. Just some things to
think about when we do come back. Carson Wentz the
best offer out there coming from Indianapolis. The Eagles think
they have some kind of leverage here and think they're

(01:34:17):
gonna be able to get something, but they're wrong. I'm
not even sure if they're gonna get a first round
pick at any point out of this. We'll talk about
wins and where he could end up and maybe how
that would play with some of the other quarterbacks that
are out there when we come back on the Jason
Martin Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back to
Jason Martin Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Glad have

(01:34:42):
you with us? We're live in the Farmer's Insurance. Fox
Sports Radio Studios called one a Farmers to switch, you
can save a bundle on your auto insurance. Philadelphia Inquirer
is saying that they're pretty sure that the Eagles have

(01:35:03):
not at any point been offered a first round pick
for Carson Wentz. The Colts per Ron Jaworski says, a
pair of second rounders, possibility of an additional third or
fourth round selection down the road. The Eagles are looking
at this saying they want the same kind of deal
Stafford brought, but they don't realize that what they've done

(01:35:29):
to Carson Wentz and what we've watched from Carson Wentz
has destroyed their leverage to an incredible extent. Why would
you give up first round draft picks for Carson Wentz?
I mean I would have to be pulled kicking and
screaming to do that because of everything we've read about it,

(01:35:53):
and because of what's happened to your own franchise. If
I'm the Colts, all right, the Colts have Frank right now.
They bring in Sirianni to be the head coach in Philadelphia.
He's close to Frank Reich in Indianapolis. They move him on,
they move him over. I thought, okay, well, maybe they're
gonna try to make it work with Wentz, and this
is an indication they should have kept a Reich in

(01:36:15):
their own minds. Now it looks like they want to
move on from Wins, but they want to King's Ransom,
but he's not a King. He's barely a prince. He
was benched for poor play. It was painful trying to
watch him play football last year. Does that mean he
can't play at all? No, but it does mean he's

(01:36:36):
closer to Jared Goff then Matthew Stafford. Plus, he's owed
a ton of money. What million fully guaranteed this coming season,
more than fifteen million more guaranteed fully for once the
new league year starts. The Eagles need to get him

(01:36:56):
off their roster and know it, but everybody else knows
it too. Chicago, in my opinion, should be looking elsewhere.
Get somebody else that's cheaper. I don't know that WinCE
is gonna make you better. The only place that makes
sense to me is Indianapolis because of Frank Wright. WinCE

(01:37:17):
loves Frank right, He and Doug Peterson butteed heads late.
He goes to Indianapolis. Maybe that's the guy that can
save him. We've heard about the diva stuff, we've heard
about the sensitive stuff, we've heard about the me first stuff.
But we also saw how good he played that one

(01:37:38):
year and Frank Reich was there. So if Indy could
get him for what they're offering, Okay, a couple of
second rounders, third and fourth. Eventually the Eagles might have
to jump on that. But if I'm the Colts, one
thing that you have not seen is a bunch of

(01:38:00):
worts about the Colts looking at other quarterbacks that led
some to speculate Andrew Luck was coming back. I rolled
my eyes from the start, But I mean, you've got
a Darnald out there, maybe Matt Ryan sitting out there
to at least kick the tires on. I've thought about,
if I'm Indianapolis, at least colin Dallas and seeing how
sold they really are on Dak Prescott for the future.

(01:38:22):
There are other names out there, but they haven't dangled
to the Eagles that they're looking at those options. And
to me, I would just start putting those reports out
there if I were the Colts, all of a sudden,

(01:38:42):
there would be reports in ESPN and the Athletic and
Pro Football Talk and everywhere else that the Colts are
talking to the Jets about Sam Donald, that the Colts
are interested in talking to Dallas, that the Colts are
talking to the Raiders about Marcus Mariota, all of this stuff.

(01:39:04):
Because the Eagles have no leverage If the Colts go elsewhere.
If the Colts go grab Sam Darnald, they don't need
Carson Wentz, and then the market's dead for Carson Wentz
because how many teams do need Carson Wentz Right now?
I'm telling you, I I literally believe the only situation
where the rehabilitation percentage favors the team acquiring Carson Wentz

(01:39:30):
is Indianapolis. So I find them. I'm just throwing every
report out there in the world that I'm looking at
a bunch of different quarterback options. I'm even considering Brissette,
and he's said, like all of that is out there,
and yeah, you throw Wins his name in, but you
throw it as part of a list. Eventually, the Colts

(01:39:53):
might actually have to do that if they can't get
this done. But it seems like it's two teams bitting
on Wins. I don't see. Hey, there's mystery other teams
out there with interest Carson Wentz. His value right now
is in the toilet. If he can be what he
was a few years ago, then you may get a

(01:40:13):
steel out of this. But you're probably gonna feel like
at the moment you're taking a risk because the position
is so important, and you know the contracts not particularly
favorable right now, and that puts Philadelphia in the unenviable
spot of trying to trade and trying to make a

(01:40:35):
move and trying to get suitors when they goofed this
thing up. That's why you think, boy, the Rams did well,
and hey, the Lions actually did okay for themselves too,
But the Rams, everybody knew based on what Sneed had said,

(01:40:57):
and even mcveige being noncommittal, that they probably we're trying
to move on from golf. The Eagles aren't trying to
keep Carson Wentz. They're just trying to get a big
time offer for him. But this is not the Carson
Wentz that went in the top three in the draft.
This is the Carson Wentz that you benched for a rookie.

(01:41:19):
This is the Carson Wentz that got the coach fired.
This is the Carson Wentz that made us winz w
I n ce just trying to watch him play, and
the one that's been banged up with injuries over and
over again, that's never won a playoff game. It's that
Carson Wentz. So I think you're begging if you're trying

(01:41:44):
to get this out there now, if the Eagles want
to sit there and wait a little bit longer to
see if somebody will dangle the first round pick. Okay,
remember we were talking a couple of weeks ago about
what the Bears had offered Trek Cohen the first round
and all this. Apparently that wasn't true. If that was true,
and they blew it and didn't take that, and they're insane,
and I think they were gonna get Folds back in

(01:42:05):
that deal or whatever it was being reported again Philadelphia
Inquirers Les Bowen says the league sources he's spoken to
doubt Howie Rose him in the GM has been offered
a first round pick up any sort for whence this
year or in the future. That's a direct quote from
Philadelphia Inquirer. You want to talk about windows, and you

(01:42:30):
want to talk about acquisitions, and you want to talk
about leverage. It's just the Colts and the Bears. Bears.
I I don't understand it at all. Colts, I get it.
But if they go grab another quarterback, then what do
you do if you're Philadelphia? Cut him. I don't feel

(01:42:52):
like they have the time to waste very much longer.
I said last week, I thought that deal was gonna
get done this eat. It didn't. It's being delayed because
the Eagles are trying to get something that's not out there.
They're trying to create a market that doesn't exist. People
aren't clamoring for Wins. They're not giving up first round
draft picks for wins. Yeah, we'll give up three to

(01:43:14):
five of them for Deshaun Watson. We'll give up multiples
even for Matthew Stafford. But your guy, no, no, no, sorry, no,
the contract and everything else. You just gotta be careful
with this money. And you know, again, I was thinking
about Dac and Dallas and Dallas leaving him out of

(01:43:37):
that video and was that intentional? Was that a slight
and all this other kind of stuff. You've always just
kind of wondered, Right, how much were they really going
to commit to Dak when they didn't pay him, didn't
do the four year deal, and now they're sitting out
there trying to figure out what the future is gonna
look like. That's why if I'm the Colts, I at
least make that phone call. Unless I don't like Dak Prescott.

(01:44:00):
Do I think you get it done? Probably not, But
I have a hard time believing that the Cowboys are
just so in on Dak Prescott, because if they were
so in, he would have been the feature of that video.
You wouldn't have been able to forget him. I don't
even know if it was intentional, but here's the thing.
If it was unintentional, that's arguably worse. The fact that

(01:44:22):
he was that out of mind that he didn't make
it into your video. Yikes. So I at least call
them I from Indy, or if I'm Chicago, I call Atlanta.
I want to see whether or not Arthur Smith is
trying to bring in a new quarterback, if Matt Ryan

(01:44:43):
wants a new home, and maybe he's gonna And if
I'm San Francisco, I'm making that phone call to I
might even call San Francisco. If I'm Chicago, even though
I'm not a big Garoppolo fan, I like him better
than who I've got, and I can tell they're not
big fans of his, so they will move him. There's

(01:45:03):
there are some opportunities out here. There was still that
rumor that you know eight or that report. I guess
you would say that eighteen quarterbacks could have new homes
by the start of next year. Do I think it
will be that. No, I don't I don't know what's
gonna happen with Darnald. I could see him going somewhere else,
but I guess that's depending on what the Jets are

(01:45:25):
gonna do. If Watson's not gonna go there, are they
gonna draft Zack Wilson number two overall? Now that you're
seeing pretty much across the board, that's who's gonna get
that pick. It's not gonna be justin fields. He may
not even go in the top five in the draft.
Are they gonna take Zach Wilson? Are they gonna run
Darnald back with a new coach and a new everything

(01:45:47):
and just see are they ready to give up on
that or just let him move on and and try
something new, Because, as we know, if you don't have
a quarterback, he got nothing. That's why the Colts probably
need to pull the Carson Wentz deal off. But it's

(01:46:07):
also why they're not gonna just wager the farm, because
there's a real risk that that's not going to work out.
I saw that report from somebody close to the Raiders,
an NFL scout, that said that what's wrong with Marcus

(01:46:28):
Mariota is not reparable, and the teams need to understand
that he can't be fixed. What's wrong with him can't
be fixed. And I was just like good grief, and
it's not even like red flags, certainly not from a
character standpoint. I don't know if that means injury, if
that means accuracy. I saw both here, but we talked

(01:46:51):
about how injury prone is kind of a fugazy idea.
His body's just betrayed him over over, over and over again.
He's had bad luck, but his accuracy of issues outside
the numbers and outside the hash marks, and then short
of intermediate routes, that becomes your problem. There's a lot
that you like about him, but then there's ten of

(01:47:11):
the throws that you just despise and you don't understand
why he's taken as many bad sacks. Russell Wilson takes
a lot of bad sacks. You've never seen anybody take
more bad sacks. And Marcus Mariota. And then I want
to say one other thing about one other quarterback, and
that is Matthew Stafford. The report that Stafford said, Hey,

(01:47:36):
I'll go anywhere, but please don't send me to New England.
If you didn't already know how his players felt about
him and how he's perceived in the league by its talent.

(01:47:56):
That should tell you all you need to know about
Matt Patricia, because I don't think that had anything to
do with Belichick. I'm not even sure it had to
do with lack of weapons, even though Stafford wants to
go compete for a championship and he's gone to a
place where at least he's got a reasonable shot, especially
with McVeigh running that offense and the talent that they

(01:48:18):
have on defense. If he goes to New England, yeah,
they don't have a lot of weapons, but they're gonna
they're gonna rebuild. They're gonna build some things there. You
certainly trust the head coach, you trust the stability of
the organization, but you don't want to be near Matt Patricia.
I think I'll go anywhere, but don't put me near

(01:48:38):
Matt Patricia. That's from Stafford, who really had That's the
first thing I've ever even seen where I was like, WHOA,
he said something. I'm not saying he's boring as Russell Wilson.
I'm just saying he just kind of goes about his business.
You don't hear a whole lot from him. You hear
some stuff from his wife, but you don't hear a
lot from him. So you've got malcontent and quarterbacks, and

(01:49:00):
you've got quarterbacks that are using leverage and are trying
to get where they want to go. I don't know
if it's a new phenomenon, but the question is is
it an emerging paradigm shifting phenomenon spurred on by what
Brady did? Now, Russell Wilson's talking, and you've got guys

(01:49:21):
that are using whatever leverage they've got to get into
the spots where they feel like they can be successful.
And Watson might be the ultimate example. I still don't
know if the Texans are actually going to trade him.
They might be stupid enough to just send him at home. Now.

(01:49:43):
If they send him at home, I think his contract.
I don't know the specific details here, but I think
if he just goes home for the year, then his
deal just runs over like this year never even happened.
But I don't think they're going to leave him in
purgatory forever if they're gonna suck anyway, and they've already
wrecked this thing, and I know they're thinking, is hey,

(01:50:04):
we didn't screw it up, give us a chance. It
might not entirely be your fault. Everything might not be
your fault, but it doesn't matter. Like, what choice do
you really have here? Are you gonna let him sit
at home and not get anything for him and not
even be be able to begin the process of rebuilding

(01:50:26):
your franchise starting from scratch, building Patriots, a f C. South,
whatever it is you're trying to do. Are you just
gonna delay that because he's not going to be a
part of it. I don't think he's gonna submarine his
entire career in Barry Sanders the thing in terms of
just retiring early. And he's not in an Andrew Luck

(01:50:49):
kind of spot either. But you've made a very affable, likable,
easy going guy balk at your entire organization basically because
you did not live up to integrity clauses that he
had in his mind about you, because you didn't look

(01:51:11):
to him when the time came. There's a lot going
on with quarterbacks. We just went through a bunch of
different scenarios right there. A lot of its surrounding wentz,
but a lot of stuff. Quarterback is one of the three,
like biggest celebrity spots that you can find in sports
in America, no question about it. College football coaches, NBA superstars,

(01:51:34):
NFL quarterbacks. So even after the Super Bowl, the NFL
still dominated the headlines this week. We let off talking
about j J. Watt. We spent a ton of time
talking about Deshaun Watson. We talked about Russell Wilson, We've
talked about Brady. We haven't talked about the party yet,
but that was a lot of fun. We talked about

(01:51:57):
a ton of football on this show, even though the
season just ended. NFL knows how to stay in the news,
There's no question about that. Speaking of the news, let's
get a look at the latest one more time and
Brian Finlay, thank you, Jason. And you could argue that
the NFL's moved to have more of their stars take
on this player and powerment role might come from influences
from the NBA. There and yeah, and speaking of one

(01:52:19):
of the stars, Kevin Durant last night at twenty points,
smirking away with a win as he goes to the
Bay Area and takes on his former employer of the
Golden State Warriors and wins the nets. Do one one seventeen.
After the game, his former head coach Steve Kerr reminiscing
over the impact Katie had during his time in Warrior Land.

(01:52:43):
When Kevin came here and gave us three years of
just incredible basketball. The least we can do is welcoming
back with open arms and then left with a devastating injury.
There should be a lot of love for him. He did,
he did, He did so much for us, and Donovan
mitchells do so much for the Jazz twenty six points
as Utah cuts down the heat one the final score,

(01:53:06):
and the Jazz have won eighteen out of their last nineteen.
They have only lost one game since January. The Knicks
top the Rockets one nine, Julius Randall twenty two points
in nine rebounds. The Rockets have gone oh and five
since Christian Wood sprained his right ankle. The Son's take
down the seventies six or one eleven Devon Booker thirty

(01:53:28):
six points. That is now three straight games where he
has said at least thirty and Phoenix has won eight
out of their last nine. They're sitting at sixteen and
nine in the standings, which is fourth place in the
Western Conference, third baseman Justin Turner sticking around with the Dodgers.
He agrees to a reported two year deal for thirty
four million dollars guaranteed with a third year club option.

(01:53:50):
Jordan's speed is leading the PGA Tours a T and
T Pebble Beach Pro am through three rounds, thirteen under
his his score and he's two strokes to head and
there are five golf first two shots behind. Serena Williams
gets a win in the fourth round at the quarter
excuse me, at the fourth round at the Australian Open
in three sets, so she's onto the quarterfinals. So is

(01:54:11):
Naomi Osaka and currently the top seed in the men's draw.
Novak Djokovic has just started his match with Milosh round
and they are in the fourth round from Melbourne. And
then Jason as I sent it back to you. Did
you see Johnny Manziel back at it in the fan
controlled Football League? How about these numbers? One of five

(01:54:31):
through the air eleven yards and then when he scrambled
for like thirty eight yards, he got opened down field,
somebody ran him down from behind and the dude was
Heisman Trophy winner, and he said after the game his
team lost, win or lose. Our team always boozes. So yeah,

(01:54:51):
well done on his part, and it certainly is showing
what a talent He continues to be back to you,
heck of a college player, and um, yeah, that's it.
He was the hack of a college player. Welcome back
to the Farmer's Insurance. Fox Sports Radio Studios called one
eight farmers and you could save a whole lot of
something on auto insurance. Yeah, finly asked that question. The

(01:55:12):
truth is no, I didn't because man'sille's not not a
notification on anything anymore. But yeah, one of five eleven
yards sounds about right, sounds about right. Hopefully he will
have success in whatever he's gonna do post football. A
matter of fact, I think he's already post football, he
just doesn't realize it yet. Coming up next, a real

(01:55:34):
lesson for you, a lesson for us all, and a
lesson for a guy that cost himself over three hundred
and seventy thousand dollars simply because people had to know
instead of just getting one over on people. I'll explain
what I mean. Next, it's Jason Martin Show here on

(01:55:55):
Fox Sports Radio, finishing up another fun edition of the
Jason Martin Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Ryan Burr, Singer,
Christopher fe Brian Finley, there might try effect to spend
in the dollars radio style for me, They've done a
fantastic job as always Fox, I guess is now Fox
Sports Sunday again with the Anty Firm New Brian now

(01:56:16):
coming up next. Stick with us here on this Valentine's
to Day. So thirty one year old Uri. I don't
know if it's Androtti or Andrew. I'm not sure that
me pronouncing his name matters at this point because this
would be the only time you ever hear about him.
And it's a cautionary too. He was the Super Bowl

(01:56:37):
streaker last week, going full boar at leading Kevin Hardman
to say, pull up your pants, take off the bra
and be a man. Five or three left in the
fourth quarter, it's thirty one, nine games over, and here
he comes. And he had placed fifty grand with Bravada.

(01:57:05):
I believe it was on someone streaking onto the field.
The odds were plus seven fifty. Now Bovada had a
one tho dollar cap on stakes for this problem. So
he had friends that we're all putting money in for
a share of this. Obviously he's the streaker, so it's
gonna pay out. So he was gonna make three seventy

(01:57:29):
five dollars. Of course he got arrested. It was a
thousand dollars to bail him out, so he was gonna
clear three d seventy four thousand. Well guess what, because
of what I just told you, obviously he's not going
to get this money. Bovada has frozen payouts on the

(01:57:50):
bet penning an investigation per casino dot org. Once complete,
all bets on the occurrence of a Super Bowl streaker
found not to be linked to him would be paid.
But there's integrity issues here. Okay, he was released on
a five bond I believe for what he did is
misdemeanor trespassing. But now he's broken other laws. So it's

(01:58:15):
gonna cost him even more money, and he's not gonna
get the money he was going to get. Here's the
cautionary tail here. First off, don't be a streaker because
you're a jackass. Anyway, this is human nature. Unfortunately, this
is our pride and our envy getting in a way, right,
what's envy? It's not me wanting more money, it's simply

(01:58:38):
me wanting more than you have for that purpose of
But we all, I think, have to fight against the
urge to broadcast how smart we are, how rich we are,

(01:59:00):
how attractive we are, how famous we are, whatever. We
have to fight that urge instead of just living a
quiet life with those things potentially being true and being
okay with it, because again, I feel like we are
doing life right now for the achievement points, not just
to play the game. That's social media in a nutshell.

(01:59:24):
It's not about saying prolific stuff. It's just about how
many likes and everything else that you can get. Now,
when I play a video game, if I'm not getting
achievement points for it, I'm like, well, did I actually
just play this? Or people gonna care when they see
my score. They're gonna see that I got everything out
of this. Did I get my thousand points on my
Xbox three six fift years ago? It changed everything. We

(01:59:44):
live our lives now for the achievement points. We don't
live it just to beat the game. There was a
time when I just beat Super Mario two and was
happy with that and went to school and say, hey, yeah,
I crushed Ward last night. Now I need all the
points so that every one of my friends can see that. Right,
we've all been there in some way. That's just the
way that things have gone. But this guy may have

(02:00:07):
actually pulled this off. He may have actually succeeded here.
Now they might have investigated and figured it out. I
don't know. But he went and took pictures with the
Chivary and all these other people, and he did these
interviews where he said, hey, look at what I did,
because he needed people to know how smart and clever
he was, as opposed to just knowing it himself and

(02:00:31):
enjoying privately the spoils of that intelligence. That is amazing.
That is a cautionary tale. If you're gonna win three
seventy just take three seventy four and don't tell anybody
how you want it. Now, your bond money out, you're

(02:00:52):
not gonna get to pay out, and you might have
broken federal laws as well. Good work, solid work. We
got to stop living life for the achievement points. We
gotta live life. We gotta go to the concert without
the camera, phone out. Fox Sports Sunday's next, I'll see
you next week. I'll be Valentine's

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