Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks talk Spurs Advancing to NBA Finals, Jaxson Dart Introducing President Donald Trump, College Football Breaking Away From NCAA, And Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the red carpet, Bucky Brooks. How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm good, I'm being good.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Take up out? Take up out? Fuck? You deserve it,
You deserve the hardest working man in show business. Yes
he is all right, We got a problem, Buck, We
got a problem. Okay, you know what the problem is.
We got app out for che Holmegren. Where is he?
Where did he go? Where did he show up for
the Hukulova City thunder last night? I don't know where
this guy went. Check where are you? I'm worried about you.

(01:15):
He took two shots. He ended up scoring four points
at four boards in that final game last night, Game seven,
which was a little bit of a disappointment. One eleven,
one o three. Spurs go on to win, you know,
And honestly, I think the Spurs just had too much
going for them at the time. And honestly, Holmgren, to me,
he looked frightened of Wemby. He looked like he was

(01:37):
a little afraid of the guy, and he was intimidated.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, I don't know if he was intimidated. Like it's
kind of funny they were defending champs. I don't think
they played very well the entire series. The one thing
that Oklahoma City had been able to do for most
of the season, They've dominated people with their depth, They've
warned people down, they picked up full court, and they've
been able to not lean extensively on on SGA to

(02:00):
get it done. But it was the collective, It was
the group, and cheer Hogan was a big part of that.
For whatever reason, in this game, he never got going.
He wasn't aggressive, and I felt like the entire team
was waiting on the MVP, the two time MVP, to
carry them, and that just wasn't the case. I think
san Antonio played with more fight, more energy. The effort
from san Antonio was better on both ends, and at

(02:22):
the end of the day, that was the reasons they
just had. I would say a better dog mentality when
it came to the game seven, and chet Hongwom and
some of his teammate certainly didn't bring the energy and
the intensity that to anticipate from a champion.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
You know, I'm not a stat guy, but I try
to figure out how this team lost last night talking
about Oklahoma City won eleven one oh three, and you
look at the stats. Both teams shot exactly forty five
percent from the field, all right, threes as far as
threes are concerned, forty three percent seventeen for forty for
San Antonio, and it was basically thirty four percent twelve

(02:57):
for thirty five for Oklahoma sit rebounding forty to thirty
eight in favor of San Antonio. A lot of second
shots staff for Oklahoma City. I know that. I think
the key right here was Sga. He puts in thirty five,
carried the team on his back for most of the game,
especially in that second quarter shot twelve to twenty one.
But he scores thirty five. The rest of the start

(03:18):
is score thirty one. Yeah, no, help, that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean, that was it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
It was really obvious that he was having to do
everything solo. And look, you want to have your best
player certainly play a great game, and he did, but
you got to have other people, Like one man is
not going to be the team. And what we saw
is like one man couldn't beat the San Antonio spirst
when they get efforts from multiple guys putting up close
to twenty points, but really just the effort in terms

(03:44):
of the intensity what they played with was overwhelming. So
it's a little disappointing seeing that from the defending champion.
I thought, Oklahoma City in game seven, you kind of
count and experience leading a team over the threshold, passed
the threshold or whatever, and they just didn't. They just
didn't play like that. But I think you have to
give credit to thes The Spurs.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Deserve to be there.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And if you go back to Game one when they
kind of overwhelmed Oklahoma City early. Look, man, this is
a team that had their way with Oklahoma City during
the regular season and it kind of showed up in
the postseason.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I think they're wh ate out of the twelve games
they played something like that. And you look at the
box score, I know Wemby was somewhat dominant, twenty two points,
seven boards. I don't feel really good when I watched
this guy take threes. The guy's seven foot five. I
think there's no problem taking a three. What's your take
on that. I mean, you're a basketball guy, you know sports.
Maybe it's just to me, I'm old school where a

(04:40):
guy like that, like a seven foot five guy, should
be playing in the paint you'll be taking threes.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean that's old school thoughts and processes and that stuff.
But look, he's a different animal, you know, just a
completely different animal when it comes to how he plays
the game and what he was able to do do,
and I just I appreciate it, Like you're looking at
someone who is seventy five, who has some guard like
skills when it comes to his ability to dribble and

(05:09):
maneuver put the ball up. I've heard people say this,
and this was a player that was really significant in
my childhood, Ralph Sampson and Ralph Sampson kind of being
a new age big man, a guy that would shoot
the jumper, a guy that would put it on the
floor and handle. Wemby is like that plus and we
just have to get more comfortable with guys like him

(05:31):
being able to play on the perimeter, being able to shoot,
being able to do things that normally we wouldn't want
our big men to do. But he's able to do it,
and he's able to do it effectively.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
There's no doubt. And look, he was the MVP. He
scores twenty two US mentioned, but you look at Oklahoma
City SGA MVP carried the team on his back with
thirty five, had no help Wemby at twenty two, but
all five guys had double figures in the starting lineup.
So that was the key right there. And I think
another key underscored there. I think didn't get the credit
he deserved. I thought d Aaron Fox comes in there
and scores fifteen, all right, and then what was it

(06:03):
Penny Champagnie. Champagnie who was eighteen on threes on three,
he's got twenty points. I believe it was eighteen of
the twenty were on three point shots. All right. And
this is a kid who wasn't even drafted. I remember
he went to Bishop Lockhl High School in Brooklyn, went
to Saint John's. Was not even drafted. I had to tried
with the seventy sixes. And now he's in the Championship series,

(06:25):
you know, with the against the New York Knicks. So
you just don't know, You just don't know, but you know,
here's a guy that worked at it and he got
a shot, and he's just fit right in, as you
always say, you fit right into the system.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, not only did he does he fit into the system.
I'll say this about San Antonio, and look, I give
him a lot of credit man for doing it.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
And they had some very lean years to the point
where you.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Almost, ah see, now almost you began to question a
little bit about the pop thing, right, like how good
is pop?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
He's only been good when.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
He's had like superstars in those things, and it's right.
It takes stars wins. It's not a Hall of fame
coach who hasn't had Hall of fame players.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
That's it their development program.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like what they've been able to do with some of
the role players around their superstars is a real testament
to what they do in the lap in terms of
in the offseason, at practice time, post practice, getting those
guys to.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Develop and all of that. I give them a ton
of credit.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And he is just another one and a long line
of players who've benefited from how they developed their players
and set them up for success when they get on
the major level.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right and after the game last night, SGAs what the
deal was, and we had to hear from him the
raigning MVPSGA, what do you have to say, Yeah, they
were just.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
A better team to night. We start to finish and
then every time we try to like come into it
and take control of the game and feel like they
had an answer, and a lot of times it felt
like it was like tough shot making so hot.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Talk to them, you know, I hear that all the time.
When let me say they're the better team tonight, they
were the better team period, not tonight. You were sloppy.
The turnovers in the first quarter was ridiculous. The turnovers
Oklahoma City. He had no help, There's no doubt about that.
And certainly I think San Antonio defendantive fairly well as well.
But the point is in the second quarter he went crazy.

(08:17):
What he's scored like thirteen points in the second quarter.
He took the team on his back. He's a great player,
you know, but you got to give him help. I
think there's going to be a lot of restructuring on
that Oklahoma City ball Club. A lot of guys would
be looking for jobs after this year.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
No, I don't think that. I think you overreacted that.
I think it's really important that you understand. Jayden Williams,
one of the main players, one of their main two
way players, was not available. They have some other injuries
that hamstrung them. Now they still have a top ten pick,
they still don't have an opportunity in the draft to
get some people. They're loaded with a number of picks
that they have. I think it shows how hard it

(08:54):
is to go back to back in that league, how
competitive the league is in those things. But I think
this is a shot across the bow to all the
teams in the West Man San Antonio. We knew they
were coming, but they arrived a lot sooner than many expected.
And this is a team that you're gonna have to
deal with because as they get more comfortable dealing and
dealing with these environments and playing in these these games,

(09:17):
these pressurized games, they're gonna be very, very comfortable being
on that stage. And it's gonna be between them and
Oklahoma City for the next decade, the term of supremacy, right.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know, I want to hear from from Julian, Julian Champagne, Beigerus,
the kids from my hometown. He's did it. He did
scored twenty last night, eighteeny of those points around threes. Julian,
What was what was the deal last night? I want
to hear. Let's hear it from Julian. How did you
find the biggest shots in this game? Seven were passing
the ball.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
We're playing together, the team, we all touch each other,
love each other, so you.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Know, coming out here with the pass the ball, play together.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I don't even understand what kind of question that was.
How did you find the biggest shots? Well, what was
that all about? Help me out? I don't get the
question that was even asked, how did you find the
biggest shots? What does that mean? I don't get it.
I don't know who that was. I'm not going to
embarrass the questioning.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You just really just you just you just embarrassed her.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
You just embarrassed her.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't know her name. I'm not going to give
out the name. I'm not gonna do it. I mean,
just put the microphone under Julian's mouth and say, Julian,
what do you do right tonight? I mean, really, how
did you find the biggest shots? I mean, really, forget it.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry we even went there.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Ok.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I just wanted to hear from Julian, and you know,
I ended up, you know, ripping on some some questionnaire.
And I get it, it happens. But admit it. That
was kind of what I'm not gonna say, stupid, a
poor question to ask, a poor question.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Really it was. It wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I wouldn't say that there was the greatest question that
I've ever heard. Certainly, right, you know, we.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Move on, So yeah, bury that sound because I didn't
realize it was that there. We move on. But the
big question right now, the big question, right now is
on Wednesday night, and Antonio is gonna host the New
York Knicks and the Championship Round. And the Knicks had
something like eight days off. Well, that rest create rust.
That's what I want to know. You played the game,

(11:11):
you know what it's like to kind of like have
a couple of days off. You're not basically in your
top shelf. You're going to sleep a little bit, you
eat a little more, you're not working out. The competition
is down, there's no competitiveness, there's no game. It's a
different enemy, like you're on vacation. How does that going
to affect the New York Knicks on Wednesday night?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean it can't impact them certainly because san Antonio
will be in rhythm. But ultimately, like it matters, but
it doesn't. You have to you're in the finals. You
have to be ready to play. Yeah, there's the debate
between rest versus rust, And you certainly want to be
well rested so you can play at your best.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
But you got to find a way to shake off
the rust.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Now that they know who they're playing, it'll be a
little easier, but yeah, like it may take them half
a quarter or so get back in rhythm, but it
won't be It shouldn't have a significant impact on the game.
They need to come ready, and I think Mike Brown
would do a good job of getting this team ready
to play.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, so let's look at the stats over here. The
Knicks play the Spurs three times this year. They're two
and winn against the Spurs. I don't know what that means,
to be honest with you, probably means nothing because the
Knicks are playing at a different level right now. They
want eleven straight and they're not just winning, they're blowing
their opponents out. They're putting up points big time. But
the thing is, people tell me, well, you know, it's great,
they're gonna nurse their injuries, they're could arrest it'd be okay. No,

(12:31):
I don't believe that. I think that you just said
that key word. They're in a rhythm. That's what San
Antonio is in a rhythm, and I think when you
lose that rhythm, it's kind of like in the NFL.
Everybody in the NFL is used to playing one o'clock
Easton on Sunday. When you change that rhythm to Thursday night,
Sunday night, Monday night, it kind of throws you off
the so cold rhythm, right.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Uh, yes, and no, I mean yeah, I mean it
does right because you go from being used to kind
of playing every other day to then you got to
space it out and there's a routine that you're on,
there's a cadence to what you're doing and that stuff. However,
look me in these are pros and you should be

(13:14):
able to adapt and adjusts and quickly fall in love
whatever the news schedule is in those things. And I
think we will see them get to it. We'll see
them kind of find a way to kind of get
into that rhythm. But yeah, like the quicker they can
do it, the better it's going to be for them.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
I got to ask you, you're a savant. You're a
guy that studies the game and you know the engine outs.
You watch a game differently than I would because you
played the game just just the way it is, right,
And Like, it was great for me last night to
watch Oklahoma City and San Antonio because I have no
rooting interest. I just wanted to watch the game and
I really enjoyed the way San Antonio passed the ball

(13:53):
and played the team game where honestly, Oklahoma City to me,
they didn't. I mean it was like a one on
one SGA. He was a guy who took over at
least in the second quarter, and they had no help.
So that's the deal there. The Knicks are playing team basketball.
How does san Antonio stop Jalen Brunson because basically he's
the heart and soul of the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Look, I don't know. I think many people have tried
to stop him. The one thing that's different is when
you have a major rim protector in there in Wimby,
he will make them shoot tough shots.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
In the pain.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So some of those middies, those mid range shots that
he's been able to get in these other series take
me a little more difficult to come by because you
got the big man that you have to shoot over.
But it is, it's gonna be a challenge. It's gonna
be challenged on both ends. Obviously, it's gonna be a
challenge for this fur is taking on a hot team,
a red hot team, a sizzling team. But the challenge

(14:50):
for the Knicks is adapting to a team that plays
a little differently with a big man. Now they've won
two out of three, they're playing even better, but it's
a matchup thing. See how those matches play out. I
think it'd be interesting to go back and look at
how those games were won or lost and then see
what adjustments have been made since those those matchups.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, now, if the Knicks were watching the game last night,
they realized that certainly homegrown was not there. There was
no way to be found to two shots to two
shots the whole game. Hartenstein didn't do much either, except
you got banged up pretty good against Wenby, no doubt
about that. I think it's gonna be a different situation
when the catman call Anthony Towns is going to go
against Wenby. It's gonna be a pretty good battle. And

(15:29):
I don't think Cat's going to back down from Wemby.
So that's gonna be the key right there. If they
could get some scoring out of the middle of the
New York Knicks camp besides Brunson, and maybe control Wenby
just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, they have to control them. But look, this comes
down to not only the stars, this comes down to
everybody else, and how will they play? Meaning how do
the role players around the stars play? And you know,
we'll talk about Jaylen Brownson. There'd be a lot of
conversation about Wenby, but it's to others because I would say,
in this game against San Antonio in their final, look

(16:05):
at the others that have to play very, very well
for them to advance, and they played. So now the
next step for them is they have to play well
on the biggest stage. I'm excited about it. I think
it's been a good series. Look, it's not one that
I would say anybody predicted. I don't think if we
go back and look at the odds at the beginning
of the season that we would say that these would
have been the two teams that are there. But it's great.

(16:26):
I think it's gonna be a fantastic, fantastic series to watch.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, you know what though, honestly, I understand Oklahoma City
is defending champs, and you know, I feel for this
fans of okal. They got a great fan base. I mean,
you talk about, you know, in Middle America, you know,
in God's Country, Oklahoma City a franchise. Who would have
funked that fifteen to twenty years ago that they would
have an NBA franchise, But they came, and they came strong,
and I feel for them. But You've been there, done that, Okay.

(16:53):
I think it's great for the league. I think it's
great for the fan base that, you know, you got
new faces, you got san Antonio coming in, and the
Knicks have not been in the finals since nineteen ninety nine.
And I think it's great for the league. They got
New York, they got that major market.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
The advantage san Antonio, I think has is the fact
that the series opens up in San Antonio and they're hot.
That's the key right there. If it was Wednesday night
in New York at Madison Square Garden, I think it's
a different story. I think San Antonio is gonna come out.
Then they're gonna explode. They really will. Although I'm rooting
personally for the Knicks to win, I don't know if
they can. I don't know if they can't beat this

(17:25):
team that they got so many weapons and they're just
so good. I mean, everybody could score. He got Darren Fox,
he got CHAMPENNI I mean, you got a little castle.
These guys are just it's a great team, it really is.
I think he's very underrated because you know they're playing
in San Antonio and you don't hear much about them.
You really don't.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I mean it looks. I think
you have a bunch of good teams that are scoring,
two good teams that are scaring off.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
You have really good coaches.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Now, I would say this, Mike Brown grew up in
that San Antonio system, so he's gonna know it. He's
gonna know exactly how they get down. And even though
there's been evolved and tweaked, stands the mindset of the
San Antonio s first organization have to been a long
time assistant for Greg Popovich. So maybe that gives him
a little bit of an advantage because he knows what
he's facing. But regardless, man, it comes down to the

(18:12):
players in which players play. I can't I can't wait
to see how this goes down.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, I'm excited about it too, But I gotta ask
you who do you like? Because you know, in my
heart of hearts, I'm thinking now with my heart now
on my head, I'm ready for the next I want
them to win.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I mean, that was obvious that you can put for
next that that was the least surprising thing that I've heard. Yeah, No,
I'm gonna go with san Antonio in this and I
know they're young, but there's something about them to suggest
that they're ready. I love the intensity that weinby and
those guys are playing with. So yeah, I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go with those guys. I think they found
a way to get it done.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well, we'll see. We'll see about that. Okay, we'll see
who wins this serieson.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh, it sounds like you like talking trash.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Like, well, I only took trash after I win, you know.
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All right, Bucky, are you ready? Because this to me
is pathetic. It's actually pathetic, it's desperate. Really, I'll talk
out the Big Ten. The Big Ten has won the
three national titles in football. They're four and zero against

(21:03):
the SEC over the last three years and hit the
head college football playoff matchups. However, the SEC commissioner Greg Sanke,
he said those metrics are on quoting a pretty narrow
band and his league still stands alone. Are you kidding?
I mean it's desperate. I mean they're going down for
whatever the reason. I mean, the competition in the Big

(21:24):
Ten is much better, And he says, quote, if you
look at the entirety of our league, we are by
far the most competitive, the strongest football league by far. Really,
come on, do you believe that it's embarrassing? That he's
even saying this. What he should have said is that
you know, we at once we're on top of the mountain.
We want to get back up there again. How we're

(21:45):
gonna try, Just be honest. I mean, people see right
through you. You're a phony. And the league is not
as strong as it once was.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Look is not as strong as it once was.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But I understand why they feel a certain way, right
Like I understand why they feel a certain way about
wanting to have a Biggert say of the table because
they have been so dominant for so long, and it
was a big part of their story, dominating football, and
they've kind of thrown a lot into that in terms
of investment, their cachet when it comes to the money

(22:18):
deals and those things. I understand why they feel a
certain way. But the Big Ten has surpassed them, and
because the money's all on the table and they are
revenue sharing and those things, like, it is kind of
level the playing field and they haven't been as dominant yet.
But there's an arrogance that they're still holding onto that
I think they need to kind of move on from
because it's not the same certainly, Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
The Big Ten is the evidence right here. Really, the
Big Ten has won three straight national titles for the
second time since the start of the Associated Press Poll
that was back in nineteen thirty six. From nineteen forty
to forty two, the SEC has not made a national
championship game in three seasons. That's the longest streak for
that conference is nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and two.

(23:00):
It's crazy, it really is, and I get it, you
know it's happening. But the question is why is it happening.
How did it happen? Is it just nil money? Is
it boost is putting big money into is it luck?
Is it better coaching? Why has the Big Ten, which
I have always thought was not a football conference good football,
but not like the SEC? But how do they bypass

(23:23):
the SEC?

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I don't get it when they bypass them?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Because now everything is on the table, you know, like
everything is on the table. That makes it significantly different
in terms of like the money is passing hands legally
as opposed to illegally. I don't want to speak out
a turn, but that would say that's the biggest thing
since nil, since revenue share, We've seen a dramatic shift
in the talent and where the talent is going. The

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talent is now not just going into the SEC, is
going everywhere. And because those other schools teams in the
Big Ten have huge alumni basis significant academic achievements where
their lumps can go on and have big money, they
are willingly participating in the process. And that is elevated

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schools like Indiana and some of the other schools that
have risen to prominence in this recent era. They are
now they have a seat at the table. They now
can compete because the money is fair across the board
and everyone knows that the rules are different now than
they were a few years ago, and they're taking advantage
of them.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay, here's the question. I understand the money situation. That's
a big factor. But remember, and I learned this from you, Indiana.
When Signetti left JMU to go to Indiana, he took
a boatload of those JMU James Madison University kids with
him to Indiana. It has to be some of the coaching. Now,
are you telling me that it's the money. You don't

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think that the kids at LSU are not getting good money.
I don't. I just don't get it. How could Indiana
win a national championship, and most of those kids who
will bypassed from Division one schools. I would venture you
to guess that eighty to ninety percent of the kids
that played in Indiana were not even recruited by SEC
schools originally.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, Right, like you brought a bunch of kids with
him from JMU and that factored into the equation. That's it.
It is different, right, is different now because the money
is even across the board. And look, they're still getting
the top guys. But what used to happen in the SEC,
their ones, twos, and threes would be stockpiled with four

(25:32):
and five stars. Now they still have a bunch of
guys in their ones and a handful of their twos
of five stars. But now those guys that were backups
they're going elsewhere and they're playing, and so the depth
is not the same in the SEC as it once was,
where they would overwhelm you with the number of people
that they had.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Georgia would be loaded that.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Their thirteen defense could come in and play at a
high level. That's not the case anymore. Those guys that
were at the third team, second and thirteen stave now
elected to go elsewhere. And so there's more parody, and
with more parody, now it does come down to the coaching.
And we can argue about the number, the level of coaches,
the level of coaching prowess in the Big Ten and whatever. Look,

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I think it's more, it's closer than it once was.
But we're also seeing that when the talent is even,
the coaching matters, and the coaching in the Big Ten
certainly is significant.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
You know, you gave me the logical answer, the professional answer,
the highbrow answer, and I respect you for that. My
logical answer is the fact that back in the day,
the SEC probably had those you know, thousand dollars handshakes,
and now they're legal, and that's why maybe the SEC
was getting better players because they were paying them under

(26:47):
the table. Now everybody's getting paid. And I think that
the boosters are coming forth bigger and better at schools
like Michigan and basically schools like Ohio State, whatever it
may be. And then maybe they're coming even bigger at
school like Vanderbilt, which is in the SEC. All of
a sudden, now Vanderbilt is no longer a doormat in football.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, no, I think I think that's big. I think
that's a big part of it. Vanderbilt has money. They're
beginning to commit money to the program and do those things,
and yeah, follow the money. The moneytee success, but it
certainly enhances your chances of succeeding.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, So now we could logically say that Indiana. I've
read this. I don't know if it's factual, but I've
read it that Indiana has the largest alumni base in
the country. All right, So when an alumni base like that,
you know, you want to get involved and you're proud
of your alma matera and you're running checks. That's what
you do. And rather than send the check out to
just the general fund, you direct that check to football.

(27:49):
That's what they're doing. So now we could say schools
that have stronger lums, bigger alumni base, and maybe in
a more of an academic institution like a Michigan perhaps
will be more apt to have better athletic teams because
maybe there's more attorneys graduating Michigan or doctors or people

(28:09):
that could afford to write bigger checks than schools maybe,
like I don't know, Auburn, Alaban, I don't know. I'm
just throwing this out there is that the possibility.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yes, strong possibility. That is a big part of what
we're seeing here. We're seeing more people collective and this
is what we do know. Everybody loves being associated with
a winner, and as they quickly rose to prominence, everyone
wants to feel like they contributed to the mix. They
contributed to what is they transpired. They've contributed to helping

(28:42):
the team rise to prominence, and that leads more people
to be involved in it. So yeah, you're getting people
the Johnny cum lately contribute and it's making a huge
difference because we're seeing a much better product from those
teams that we used to see compete at a high level.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Okay, and now I'm going to see it changing in
a couple of years. What do I mean by that?
There's not a lot of grads from Indiana that went
to the NFL. They've had their share, but nothing like Georgia,
nothing like Alabama, nothing like perhaps even Auburn. So you're
gonna see maybe the graduates of those schools they are

(29:18):
really heavy duty alums from those schools that are playing
in the NFL. They may write the checks to get
those SEC schools back. In contention, is that a possibility
because there's a lot more graduates that go to the
NFL from LSU and Alabama than Indiana. Maybe in Vava
Bilt perhaps, so maybe those schools will be back in

(29:40):
competition and contention because of the alums that are playing
in the NFL that have the big money to donate.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, I don't see it like that. What I see
is I see the alums who made their mark using
their academic prowess to be successful. I see them doing
it more so than the NFL guysarticipating. Because the guys
who've made it like academically most of the time, their
money is gonna be longer, it's gonna be more sustainable.

(30:06):
They're going to continue to make that kind of money.
The NFL guys only have a small window to make
that money, so they're canna be a little more reluctant
to donate that right back to the program on a
year by year basis. They may make one donation, But
the academic guys, they're more likely to really be consistent boosters. Now,
they may not give the same number each time they give,

(30:28):
but they'll give it more consistently than the NFL is.
So now I don't think that's gonna be the case.
I think the SEC is gonna fall behind, and they're
going to continue to fall behind as those teams get
increasingly comfortable in the Big Ten having their fan bases
participate in the process, and as those teams have more success,
they're going to even get an even greater level of
participation because their alumni bases are so vast.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And you know what, you rock PI goes to the
alumni based like the Michigan and Ohio State, the academic guys.
The death is the lawyers that there's what they wanted
to did like Johnny Come Lately's, you know, they go
out to their cocktail parties and they say, you know,
I'm a booster, and they're permitted now to go into
the postgame news conferences. They get seats right behind the bench,
and they go to the meetings and you know, the coaches, luncheons,

(31:16):
whatever it may be. That's what they want. They want
to be on the inside. You know NFL players they
have they've been on the inside of all their life.
You know, I guess they say, why should I donate?
I've been there, done that. But these other guys that
want to get in, they want to be involved, saying
that they make decisions and you know what, the bigger,
the bigger the check that they give the more say,
so they may have with the athletic department. You know,

(31:37):
if the team starts losing and they get big money
the ad and say I want the guy out right
and it.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Works, there will be that because when you do take
the money, you also have to take the opinions, and
so that's also a part of the process.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's funny because Kirby Smart, the coach of Georgia not
now they're crying that. He says, if they don't have
an agreement reach on expands engine of the conference or
spending an nil, maybe the SEC should succeed succeede and
do it alone, get away from thenc double A is now,
what's what's the deal? What's the advantage of that? What

(32:14):
would that do? I don't understand. That's the president, the president,
mister morland I guess of Georgia. He agrees, he agrees
with Kirby Smile that maybe we should break away, break
away from the sc double A. That would really create
what they call the wild, wild West. I don't want
to see that happen.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
They're bluff and they're not going to play on their
own because how can they be crowned national champs when
you haven't won the last three No one is gonna
take you seriously that Oh, now, all of a sudden,
if Georgia and Tennessee is playing in their championship game,
those are the two best teams in the country based
on what we've seen recently. How do we know? So
now I don't. I don't buy that. All of that
is just a bunch of garbage, Like they're just creating fodder.

(32:58):
There's nothing to that.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So if they break away, say let's say that the
scenarios they breakaway, George Joe breaks away, the SCC entirely
breaks away from the NC Double A, and the n
CUBA has this what twenty four team championship college football playoff?
The teams in the SEC would not be permitted to
be in that playoff, I would think, because they no
longer fall on the umbrella of the NC Double A. Correct,

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they'd be an independent I guess. So.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I mean, so there'd be a whole different set of
rules and all that other stuff, like all of it is.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I kind of say, when you look at it.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
But yeah, like they would fall under a different branch
and there'd be different rules for them and all that
other stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
But look, it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I believe it when I see it.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
That's that's basically how I'll say, Yeah, I don't think
they're going to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, but if you were to, if someone would have
told you this maybe ten years ago, with nil, whatever
may be, what would your reaction be. Would you be
saying this is a great thing, or maybe you should
hold back because right now I think there's a lot
of I say the term polls. Perhaps it's not really
it's not a smooth sailing let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, it's not smooth sailing andy because you don't have
an organized body that has.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
The ability to do it.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
The NC DOUBLEA is trying to live in two worlds, right,
They're trying to still live in the facade of oh,
this is amateurism while operating like a pro sports entity
and until they kind of come to grips and say,
all right, guys, this is pro sports with a collegiate feel.
We need to make sure that we do this right

(34:32):
so we can have a salary cap. We have collective bargaining.
We can set a set of rules that the players,
the teams, programs, executives, everyone has to operate by. So
we have some competitive equity and everyone understands what it
is and we can build it like that. But right

(34:53):
now we don't have that because the nc double A
and their member institutions are reluctant to agree to a
CEA because it changes the status of student athletes on
campus from students to their employees, and then that brings
about a different set of things. And so the reason
why we can't do it is because of that. The teams,
the programs, the schools or whatever don't want to acknowledge

(35:16):
players as employees because it changes the anti trust exemptions
and all the things that they have work. So that's
what it is, is living a double life, and they
just don't want to come come clean. And because of that, like,
that's why it's muddy, and it will continue to be
like that, and so they do acknowledge what it is
and then they can build from there going forward.

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All right, asked Bucky right around the corner about eleven minutes,
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Sports Sunny and Fox Bus Radio. He's Bucky Brooks, I mean,
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are we waiting for now? MG, before we get started
with you to ask Bucky. Mighty Mark wants to ask
a question again, So let's do it. Let's do ask Bucky? Mark?

(36:18):
You up?

Speaker 10 (36:19):
So, Bucky, my question is based on James hart in
the past couple of weeks have do do do teammates
ever confront each other about their play? Because just based
on what Harton has done, would somebody ever walk up
to him and say, dude, what is going on? What's

(36:41):
your problem? Can I help you with something? Is something
going on? Do teammates ever confront each other?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah? They do. They will confront each other over plays.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Now, what makes it sticky is James Harden is a
certifized star, He's a Hall of Famer. So who is
going to be courageous enough to confront him? In a
perfect world, that'd be Spidey Mitchell because they're on they're
on the same level. But look, it should be an
open form. Whoever you are, you say your piece and
you call people out, you hold people accountable. Yeah, but
it should be a situation where he is being challenged

(37:12):
and held accountable for his performance and actions.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Very good, all right, it's up to you, all right, Bucky.

Speaker 11 (37:18):
So this past week we saw the situation revolving around
Giants quarterback Jackson Dart introducing President Donald Trump at his rally,
which he eventually had to apologize to teammates for. Should
athletes be involved openly with politics?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I mean inevitably yes, Like before you're an athlete, you're
a citizen, so you should have the ability to engage
in it. But it doesn't stop you from being immune
to the blowback that comes with it. And in a
locker room that is full of diverse personalities and people,
people from diverse perspectives and backgrounds, the things that you say,

(37:56):
the things that you like, the things that you endorse,
sometimes you have to answer for it. Now, it doesn't
make it right or wrong your opinion, but you have
to be willing to stand on it. So when you
do endorse something, you got to be willing to stand
ten toes down on it and be like, hey, this
is what I believe in, all right.

Speaker 11 (38:13):
And while we're at it, do you believe that athletes
should be forced to talk to the media after games?
I mean, this past week we saw the situation with
Wembe not being available for a postgame presser and he
got fined for it.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
What's your opinion on that?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, Now, you need to be able to man up
and talk like if you are a pro athlete and
you're getting paid, and part of the reason why everyone
is being able to get paid in this game is
because of media and exposure. Man stand up and answer
the questions. I think you should have to stand up
after games and just offer up some explanations, just like coaches.
So that should be a part of it. That is

(38:47):
a part of the job description. You got to man
up and handle it.

Speaker 11 (38:50):
Okay, Well, I would like for you to rank these
three sporting events from one being the best to three
being your least favorite to watch.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
I guess.

Speaker 11 (39:02):
So we got the Super Bowl, the Olympics either the
summer or the winter, and the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Oh, super Bowl, first, World Cup, second, Olympics will be
third in my mind.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
All right, I agree.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Let me a dejective, I man, speaking of the World Cup.
What do you think? What are your thoughts about these
outlandish ticket prices for the World Cup? It's crazy, it
really is.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, it only happens in our country.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It doesn't happen elsewhere because they have strict regulations on
price gouging and fixing and dosed up. But in our country,
we let companies buy up all the tickets and they
set the prices. So look, it's ridiculous. So I will
watch it at the crib. But it should be invented
everyone has access to I agree.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Anything else?

Speaker 11 (39:50):
MG, Yes, last one here for you, Bucky. Why are
the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs not covered and not treated
as well by the national media as a whole.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Well, I think because the sport initially started in Canada,
and I just for whatever reason, it's been slowed.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
To kick up.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
And I will say this, when they changed the deals
a few years ago, when they used to be. It
used to be Hockey Night in America on ESPN and
used to see the national broadcast when they went away
for a little bit. It's hard to bring those fans back.
And the fans just haven't come back.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's because the media can't pronounce those French names. That's
the problems. They ignore it. That's the real.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I don't know. I mean, it is a great game,
but look, I can't say that it is just because
of the international flavor.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
That's why has that all right to play or not
to play? That has so much more Right here on
Fox Sports Sunday next day with us. All right, as
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(41:16):
the one and only, and my partner and friend, Bucky
Brooks Buck How are you.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, Andy, how are you
doing good?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I gotta ask in this time of the year, is
they're more interest? And I think there is in the
WNBA than Major League Baseball. I'm just curious because I
know that you are a man of all sports, and
I'm thinking, like I pick up the periodicals, the daily papers,
the social media. I think there's more WNBA news that
Major League Baseball. I really do.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I mean, there's a lot of interest in it.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
I still say baseball is supreme, but I believe that
there's AWNBA.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Is a growing sport.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It continues to grow, but not quite at the level
of MLB right now.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Maybe the MLB's too long. I don't think people have
the time span to spend time to two and a
half hours for a game, and knowing that the season
is like one hundred and sixty two games, and after
seasons one's sixty two is over, it starts all over
again with playoffs. I just think it's just a little
bit too long. People don't have the time. They just say, look,

(42:16):
I'll wait, I'll go on August or September.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
No, Still, I still believe that there's a rabbit appetite
for the game.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think the casuals tune in in August when we
get close to the postseason run. But I believe baseball
is the one sport that cultivates.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
A list of diehards.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
And I think the diehards are with their team from
beginning to end because it's a connection to the past.
It's a connection to the fathers or the mothers or
whatever the family relationship is to the team. So I
think it goes deeper than that. But the casuals don't
tune into August.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
But if you were to gauge the two leagues, I
see the demographics are a lot younger for the WNBA
than Major League Baseball. Major League Baseball. I would have
the thing maybe fortying up, maybe even higher than that,
And there are kids that are involved, for sure, but
I think it's basically an older audience from Major League.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Baseball, probably so because they still I would say MLB
could still do a better job of making a game
more hip in terms of like watchability and enjoyability.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
World Baseball Classic is an example.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It's a different look and field than the baseball that
we usually see in in the States, in terms of
the trash talk, the flamboyant acts, the bat flipping, all
of the gesturing and gyrations that come when you see
others participate. In our country, it's a very static and
stoic game. We don't like those things. Those things are

(43:48):
kind of legislated out with the unwritten rules in those things.
Whereas when you watch the World Baseball Classic there's a
different energy, a different vibe. There's also a different set
of people that are watching it, so they can certainly
continue to open it up. I would say the advancements
in terms of making the game quicker, pitch clock, the
way that they're going faster, the game is now fitting

(44:10):
better into the time window for TV. You still can
add a little excitement to the game to draw some
of the young people back to the sport.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
No, I agree, And the one positive I think you
have to say about Major League Baseball it's cost efficient
as far as taking a family. I mean, the price
is a little high, but not as bad as like NBA, NFL,
maybe even the WNBA. I don't know how much a
WNBA ticket is, but I would have to think that
it's probably higher than Major League Baseball. I think it
might be.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a legitimate argument in
terms of costs and affordability.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
But I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I've gone to Dodger games and a ticket is expensive.
When you take a about taking three or four people
with you like that, that can be a costly endeavor.
But that's all.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
It's pro sporce.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
That's just kind of where we're at right now when
it comes to attending game slot.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
That's why away I'm cheap, I really am, Thank goodness.
Don't know that many teams where I live. I mean
they have football and baseball base or they got soccer MLS.
But you know, it's just it's crazy. But you know,
if you don't go, then you want to watch on TV.
You gotta pay for that too. So you're damned if
you do, you dain if you don't. But here's the deal.
Here's the story, the story of the hour, the story
of sports. Maybe one of the biggest stories in sports

(45:21):
this year, I would think is Brendan Soresby. Okay, they say,
now the Texas Tech quarterback who play at University of
Cincinnati and Indiana. He said, They say he plays forty
bets at least forty bets on Indiana during his time
as a quarterback for the Hoosias. All right, but he
didn't bet on his team. You know, I don't buy that.
If you bet your bet, it doesn't make a difference.

(45:41):
You bet are Okay. He's under investigation, you know, by
the NCAA due to that gambling. I placed roughly over
ninety thousand dollars in bets over the course of four years,
and he funneled money to a family member and friends.
They placed the wages on his behalf. When I read that,
I said, you know what, that could happen anywhere, any time,
in any sport. I watched the NBA game last night,

(46:03):
and you see a guy, that guy dorth On Oklahoma City.
He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. All Right,
I'll say, wait a minute, there's doubts in my mind.
Maybe they did the swordsby thing. Maybe I doubt it.
I mean, these guys will making a big time money, really,
but I'm just saying it puts a cloud over your
head that he could be wagering through someone else. So
when they talk about wagering in sports, it's really easy

(46:26):
to do if you really want to do it, don't
you agree, you can get it done.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I mean, you can't get it done where there's a will,
there's a way, that's it. Swordsby had a gambling problem.
This amount of money that he was doling out on
sports betting, look, that suggests he has a serious problem.
You talking about ninety thousand dollars that you're talking about
over a four year period. That's a lot of money
to be betting on games like and I know like

(46:54):
he's trying to appeal in those things, but it really
signals a huge problem. And I think for any team,
particularly an NFL team that wants to kind of wade
in those waters, that has to be a thing that
you talk about in meeting rooms whether you can trust
a kid to do the right things and get away
from that element or those things, because it will impact

(47:15):
the game if he's unable to stay away from it.
In terms of sports betting, I'm not surprised that kind
of had the impact that it's had on our sports.
As it became easier and easier to gamble to have
access to gambling on your phone. More casuals got into it,
and the cashuers are increasingly younger teenagers. Betting, placing bets

(47:37):
one games and those things like that is a big
part of the culture now. So there's no going back.
You can't kind of put the genie back in the bottle,
but you do better. You have to take some precautions
to make sure that the sports betting craze doesn't impact
the integrity of the game.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, I would say this for those people out there
that are yelling and screaming. When you go to a
game and you see a guy strike out three times
and the first thing out of his mouth a fan
would say, Oh, he's getting ten million dollars and he
can't even do you know what, I'm glad. I'm glad
these guys have big money. You know why. I think
it prevents them from gambling. Look, for example, you go
to a Cincinnati Bengal game, you see Jamar Chase drop

(48:16):
four passes. The first thing in your mind's going to say, Hey,
maybe he's got money on the game. Now, he's making
too much money to jeopardize his career and gamble. I
would hope that really is that agreed. You got to
agree with that. I think that the fact that these
guys make so much money would curtail them from making bets,
I would hope. But gambling, as you know and I know,
is the fact that it's not a game, it's a disease.

(48:38):
It's like alcoholism. Gambling is a these and that's what
source me has. He has a disease and he's been
clinically diagnosed with a gambling addiction. It's a disease.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, certainly is a disease.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's something that he is having a problem with, he
has had a problem with, and it's going to continue
to be an issue that you have to discuss. I
just you know, like with him and with all of this,
I think there has to be some regulation.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
But look, we.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Talked about the leagues, like we talked about the NCAA
first and college and all these other things. But look, man,
you've been dancing with the devil. Like once they let
sports betting come into place, and they took the money
for the endorsement deals because they wanted the money. These
are the things that are fallout. These are the things
that a result, Like you're going to see some of

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these things happen, and we have to be increasingly comfortable
with knowing that they're going to be some things that
are icky about sports and sports life, and we have
to find ways to regulate it.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I would say this, I watched the NBA game last
night and there was some commercials for various gambling business
going businesses, right, and you know who was doing the
commercials some NBA players. How do they allow that? You know,
how do they allow players to be spokespeople for the
gambling deals the gambling companies. I was blown away by

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these stores. You have seen them too, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, But like, here's the thing, how can they not
be involved like you have? I mean, you have taken
the money from these things, like they sponsor segments on
various TV radio podcasts, all this other stuff, DraftKings like others,
you know, prize picks. They're a part of the thing.
So why wouldn't you have those people endorse. To me,

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it's just a big part of it.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I understand that the league itself is getting money for it.
But when I see Tyrese Maxi doing a commercial saying
you could win money and bet here been in the
next how many points that to me is nuts. I mean,
and I think that he'd be wise or his agent
would be wise to say, why are you doing this?
It sends a bad message, it really does.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
To me.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
That's worse than tanking. To have the players basically tell
you the way. Look, I get it, it's a money maker.
The leagues are getting big time money for it. But
to have the athletes based lead tell the public by
way of commercials to do the wagering. I think that's wrong.
I really do. But that's just me. But I'm going
back to Sorsby here. Early in last week, the NCUBA

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to night Soworsby reinstatement request. I'll tell you this much.
I will tell you right here now. I'll make a bet.
I'll make a bet with you that Brendan Sorsby is
going to play football for Texas Tech this year. I'll
tell you why. Number one, excuse me, the president of
Texas Tech said this week that we believe that, given
the facts and the context of Brendan's case, the Anti

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Doublea's ruling should be reversed. That's number one. Number two,
if he goes to court in Texas, it will be reversed.
At number three, this thing will be held up in
court so long. It'll be during the football season, so
why it's being held up. He'll be playing football for
Texas Tech and the story agreed.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, it'd be funny how they play it or whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
But I will say this, I think the judge who
was Orison going here the case rec huse himself because
of his Texas Tech ties. But I do anticipate this
being kind of messy in court. But he's gonna try
and do whatever you can do to get the injunction.
There's a lot of money riding on it for him,
a lot of money riding on it.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
And there's gonna be a hearing of that injunction tomorrow
June first, in a lutbit Texas District Court. What do
you think's going to happen there? If they rule against him?
Are you kidding? They'll burn the judges house down. He's
going to be playing football or it's going to be
just put on hold. And during the time when this
case is being discussed, and it's going to take about
three or four months, he'll be playing football for Texas Tech.

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That I promise.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, Look, I think he's gonna have every opportunity to
do it. I anticipate in being able to play.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I do well, good unclad you said we do agree
on that. Now I ask you this, what kind of
a message does that send to the college football world
that he's going to play? And I'm sure there's going
to be other schools and coaches that will be raising
their fists to the sky and say, how on that
hell could you let this guy play? He gambled on

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football games. And then there's going to be the question
watching the games, because look, if he's playing, you know,
the average Joe could wager on the game just with
your phone, right, you take a bet and all of
a sudden he throows four interceptions. You don't think there's
gonna be questions like he had money on the game.
It's going to be ugly, it really is.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, it's gonna be ugly. But look, man, I think
we're in this weird time, so I mean like it's
almost like anything goes and the things that we used
to think about back in the day, we can't hold
people to that same standard because it's so cloudy around
the game.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
When the member.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Institutions or the NCAA operated in a certain fashion where
they didn't engage and participate in certain activities. We could
hold these guys to higher standards, but now we can't
do that because they're not doing it on their end.
And so as much as I don't like it, as
hard as it is to kind of stomach some of

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the things that are around the game, players in gambling
or whatever, NANCYBA, pro sports, all of it, they brought
him on the sales because greed ultimately has got them.
Greed being greedy has cost him in every aspect. The
greed has overrun everything and it's made a game that
we really really loved, has kind of made it itcky.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
It has made it to dirty.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
That has made it dirty, really, And I can't wait
because Texas Tech is coming to Cincinnati in the fall
to play Cincinnati. That's gonna be a big game, it
really is. It's sure as he's going to play. I'm
sure he's going to play in that game here in Cincinnati.
But by the way, in Indiana as a scout team
and backup quarterback, documents say that he plays at least
two thousand, nine hundred bets totally more than thirty thousand dollars.

(54:43):
From June twenty twenty two, through December twenty twenty three.
To me, I feel I pitied the kid because it's
a disease and no doubt about that. However, I want
to know where he got thirty thousand dollars from? Is
that the money he got from nil? Is that nil?
So is nil money in a sense helped encourage wagering.
Was they got extra money to burn? Is that the deal?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I mean maybe?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
But like anybody can do anything they want with their paycheck,
I mean, just like you can do whatever you want
to paycheck. You can go spend it at tootsis, or
you can go gamble, you can go tie to the church,
all those things. So you can't regulate that the money
is the money, and you can't say that, oh, because
players are getting money and this got gambled, we shouldn't
give them money.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
That's that's not what it is.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Money.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, they after they after they have to they have to.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Learn how to make good decisions.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I think, if anything, though, you have to be more
diligent when it comes to your life skills, training and
the people that you bring in to lecture the players
on rights and wrongs and what's out there and what's
available and uh, the potential pitfalls that are around the
corner if they engage in certain activities in those things.
I think that is probably the bigger part of the conversation,

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making sure you get that done. But yeah, man, it's
just it's dirty. It's a dirty business, a dirty game, right.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
And I don't say you played college football. When you
were playing college football in North Carolina, did you or
your teammates have an extra thirty grand to burn? I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Maybe yeah, But that's a different that's a different time.
That's a different time.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Like, they get so much money now from not only
revenue share in NIL, but they get cost of living
like stipends. They have more money as a college player
than we ever had. We couldn't get anything like it
was very strict about what we could and what we
couldn't get. You could barely get an extra burger on

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the bus after games.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And so.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
You go from that to what they have now. Man,
apples and orange is in a major way.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
You know. I'm glad you mentioned that because it was
a different time with a different era. But wasn't there
questions were any athletes that you played with on any
of the teams in North Carolina saying, how come we're
not get any more? Why can't we do this? There
was no rebellion. It was like, this is the rule.
Follow the rule. Keep your mouth shut. You can't get anything,

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nothing'll get done. Then all of a sudden it exploded.
You know, people were suing schools, they're getting an il.
It's changed. What changed? How did it change? Are athletes
different now? I mean it was when you played, it
was just like, this is the way it is and
it's not going to change. We can't do anything about it.
Just take it or leave it.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, but that wasn't the right way to approach it
like that, take it or leave it, like it was
asking And the rules were ridiculous. They were They were
ridiculous back then. Like you get twenty dollars a meal
money and that was it. If you took the meal
money after a game, you couldn't go to the training table.
You couldn't have both. Like it was very restrictive in
terms of what you could do. You couldn't have a job.

(57:49):
If you had a job, you had to jump through
all these hoops. You couldn't work during a year. When
you worked in the summer, you had to sound off
on all these papers. I mean, it was very restrictive.
Yet DNCA and coaches and everybody started making these major
deals with TV money. And what happened, honestly, Andy like
the greed people started looking the players started looking like, Wow,

(58:13):
look at all the mega deals that these universities are signing,
these conferences are signing. Oh, look at the money escalate
when it came to coaching salaries and those things.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
But here we are arguing over.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
An extra patty on your burger. If not, it's a violation,
like it was silly. And if they had some common
sense rules back then, you probably wouldn't have the situation
that you have now because everyone would have felt like
an equal participant at the party. But they didn't, and
so now you have an overcorrection. And sometimes somewhere they'll

(58:46):
meet in the middle. But it's not going to be
before the schools and the system acknowledges that the student
athletes have to be a part of the process. That's
what it is, and it's not going back. It'll never
be back to what it was because there's too many
people involved from the player side to allow it to
get back to that.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, I don't think it should go back because I
think that these athletes, they spend a lot of time,
energy and effort and risk their health, you know, to
represent their schools. So they should get paid. They really should,
but it should be kind of set up in a
different sort of way. I don't know. I think one school
should get a lot more than others and they still have.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It should be, it should be, it should it should be,
it should be fair, but it won't. It will like
what we're doing is a cat chasing his tail until
the NCAA and all of the schools acknowledge we need
to sit down with the athletes and do it.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
And you can't run it in run around it.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Trying to use Congress to legislate it, to be like, oh,
we're free enterprise, but we need Congress to set these
rules so the players can't get this, but we can
continue to operate. That's not what's right. The course have
already said that they need to sit down, allow the
players to unionize. They need to negotiate a deal, and
then from that deal they can set the parameters on

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how they operate as a business. Until they do that,
all of this is just a cat chasing still the dog.
Whatever you want to call it is going nowhere until
you bring the players involved in it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, it's funny because when the people in the Cincinnati market,
the media people here were asking the University of Cincinnati,
they were mom they didn't say boo, they said nothing
about him placing bets here. And now all of a sudden,
during his two years of Cincinnati, they say Sowarsby provided
more than sixty thousand dollars to a fan dual account
registered to his brother in law that was accessed by

(01:00:38):
Sowarsby and a friend. This is according to facts, but
not out of the University of Cincinnati. So my question is,
will the University of Cincinnati forfeit their football games because
he was on the team wagering while they were playing
that they lose their games? What happens Now, that's another
decision the NCAA is gonna have to make, I would think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I mean, yeah, there'll be some some of that stuff,
but a lot of it is everyone's gonna blame him.
So I don't know what kind of collateral damage will
happen because we don't know what Cincinnati knew or didn't
know prior to that. But it all come out. But yeah,
I mean like, look, what he engaged in, by the
letter of the law was wrong, and so if that

(01:01:19):
is the case, the GGENCAA still has teased, then they'll
make decisions based on that, and then they can set
the appropriate punishment for everybody else thereafter. But like we
don't know, Like, look, these are all recent things, like before,
we're holding them against what used to be true in
the seventies and eighties when it came to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
The gambling rules.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I don't know what's changed because I also don't understand
what changed once they accepted these title sponsorship deals from
gambling entities.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
All of it is messy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Hopefully we'll soon get So we have to get stuff
soon on swords because to supplemental drafts in the middle
of July. They have to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
His eligibility and all that other.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Stuff isn't like June sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I thought maybe maybe maybe it's June. Maybe it's June,
but I know it's coming up. So they've got to
get all this settled so they can go about it
and figure out is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
He not those boy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
If he's not eligible, then he needs to be able
to participate in the draft. So there's a rush to
get this done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
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(01:02:35):
speaking to quarterbacks, did you hear this? We'll get to
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Now did you hear this story? Buck? Listen to this one?
Is the world going nuts? Is the world going crazy?
The Washington Nationals have fired a community relations guy in

(01:03:19):
the front office three days after a conservative group posted
get this a hidden camera conversation in which this employee
discussed internal deliberations about everything from an alleged social media
band on a Catholic picture. It's unbelievable in the video. Okay,

(01:03:39):
the team avoided get this, The team avoided using Trevor
Williams their picture in certain team social media content after
this picture? Who is a devout Catholic condemned the Dodgers
for hosting the Sisterhood of Perpetual Indulgence at this stadium
back in twenty twenty three, and some Catholic groups beside

(01:04:00):
the organization. Are you kidding? What is going on? People
are crazy? I never heard of these things before. Have
you heard of things like this before?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I mean no, I haven't necessarily heard about that situation before,
but I do know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Like, look, the most popular.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Things to hit your wagon to when it comes to
popularity and exposure are pro sports and whether it's NFL, MLB, NBA,
Some other pro sports entity. The curious way to get
attention is to partner use people within those sports to
draw attention to your costs or your plight. And this

(01:04:41):
is a conservative group who was taking issue with the
Dodgers supporting something that they were having in their stadium,
and so they just made it a bigger deal. And
depending on I would say, the courage of your organization,
either you stand in it or you back down and
you end up firing people who particticipate in those things.

(01:05:01):
I don't know. I just think whatever you believe in,
stand up. And if you believe in that, if you
want to have open discussions about those things that you believe,
then you got to be able to engage in that.
Otherwise like pipe down and don't say anything. But we
have seen too many things kind of used for a
political game. And that's just where we are and it's
not going anywhere. It's just where we are.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I'm glad you mentioned that because it filtered its way
into the New York Football Giants locker room when their
quarterback Jackson Darth he addressed the teammates in a meeting
just the other day why he decided to introduce President
Trump in a campaign style rally. All right, he did it,
no big whoop. I didn't think until the players on
the team. I guess so anti Trump well made a

(01:05:43):
big deal about it. Team leaders, a rushing guy, Brian Burns,
in Kaevon Thittebo, they back up quarterback Jamis Winston all
had something to say. But at the end of the day,
they said they're moving forward and they want to put
it behind them. However, I would say this their first
round pick in twenty twenty five. Abdul Carter had a
lot to say about that. Let's hear what abdual how

(01:06:05):
to say.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
But first off, I'm want to say that some things
are bigger than football, and this is one of those things.
Jackson is one of our leaders. He's the face of
our franchise. He not only represents himself and what he does,
but he represents all of us. And that goals for
anybody who wears a Giant's uniform. But if he chooses
to align himself with a man like President Trump, it's
my responsibility, based on what I believe and what I

(01:06:28):
stand on, to not only show my teammates that I'm
against that, but to show the world and that doesn't
mean that we have to spread hate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It doesn't mean that me and Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Hate each other. We have beef.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
I sit next to Jackson every day every team meeting.
We close, we talk, and we just as long as
we make sure we got the same goal as a team,
and our goals align with which they do. And I
feel like that's all that matters. So I just want
to move past this and yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Wait a minute, I do. That's not your responsibility. That's
not your responsibility to tell your teammates that Jackson does
representing Trump and you don't like that. That's not your
responsibility at all. Jackson dot could do whatever the hell
he wants, and so could you. But I don't think
it's your responsibility to stand up and tell your teammates
what he or he should not do. I don't get it.
This is why clubhouses and locker rooms are torn apart

(01:07:16):
because the statements like that I think I do. I've
do cutter his way off based on that. You know,
I respect his opinion, but it's not his responsibility to
stand up and tell his teammates what he should do
or not do and what Jackson Dart are doing on
you know, if Jackson Dodd wants to go out there
and stand on his head or go dancing with President Trump.

(01:07:37):
That's fine. You may not be a Trump guy, but
you can't stop Jackson dodt for doing ones and wants
to do. And that's gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt the clubhouse.
It really is. And I don't know what the coach
could do about that. I really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
One, I disagree with your take on it. Two, when
Jackson Dart made the decision to endorse Trump at a rally,
he opened himself up to critics based on what Trump
endorses and what Jackson Dart himself has personally endorsed with
likes on tweets and Instagram posts.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
And those things.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Greed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
It is absolutely Abdua Carter's right within that to take
a counter opinion to Jackson Dart and say, hey, I
don't believe in that or whatever, when Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Agree with that too. But it's not. It's just not
Parter's responsibility to tell you it is to do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
He didn't tell teammates what to do. What he did
is he told him like, I can't believe this is serious.
That is that he can be critical of Jackson Dart,
he can be critical of the president, just like Jackson
Dart can be supportive of the president. Like whatever happens
in real life also happens in the locker room, and
it's not for us to say, hey, it's okay for
Jackson Dart to do one thing and Abdull Carter should

(01:08:48):
not be able to do the same thing and reply
like we all come from different backgrounds, we all come
from different communities, and depending upon how policies and procedures
and words impact communities, you should speak out on those things,
like you should.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Be the voice to the voices are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
If you have a platform and you have a position
to do something to make it better, you absolutely should
speak out on it. So from the team standpoint, both
guys are well within the right to do what they did. However,
both should understand with every action comes a consequence. So
if Jackson Dart doesn't want blowback like then he shouldn't
stand up for anything because blowback comes with any and

(01:09:25):
everything that you choose to do. For ABDUA Carter, if
he doesn't want blowback, then he can't come at his
teammate for having a difference of opinion to those things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
But when you say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
It, you have to be prepared for the other side
to come back and counter. And that's just what it is.
So that's why you need to be careful with what
you endorse. You need to be well educated on your
opinion because you have to be able to stand for
it when people challenge you on your take.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
In your opinion, the worst thing is that Jackson Dots
the quarterback, which is the sole called leader of the team.
If who's anything else, maybe he could have got away
with it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
And I agree with you there because I'll tell you why.
Because everything that Trump does now or has done, is
going to be thrown in Jackson Dart's face. Now all
of a sudden a duel. Carter's gonna say, hey, I
guess you like when the President thought he was Jesus
in that tweet that he sent out, And it's going
to break the team up to some extent. They're gonna
go in their own direction. And I think Jackson Dart
should have been smarter and realized that I may be

(01:10:23):
creating a bit of an issue here because I'm not
so certain everybody in that locker room is a Trump supporter.
That's what he should have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
No like, that's not it, because like we've all played
on teams where we have people who have different political
takes and different beliefs, whether that's politically or religious or whatever,
and the team has always been able to get along
and be able to function in those things. And I
would say the locker room. If the world operated more
like the locker room, then we would be able to

(01:10:52):
get along better. Because the only thing that Abdul Carter said, like, hey,
I can sit beside Jackson, I can have that we
can have mutual respect as long as we are aligned
and what our goal, I mission is within this team,
and that's the only thing that matters. Like they don't
have to be best friends, you don't have to be buddies,
you don't even have to really like each other to
be a good teammate, but there has to be a

(01:11:13):
level of respect. That said, the things that you say,
the things that you endorse do speak to who you are.
And I think for a lot of people, I think
some of the reaction from the teammates had a little
to do with Trump and the political alignment. It had
a lot to do with how Jackson Dark may have

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portrayed himself to be one way and then when people
find out like, oh, he's a little different than we thought.
And so I would say within the community, people talk
about culture vultures, right, people who like certain aspects of
the culture, whether it's hip hop, whether it's black community
or whatever. You like certain parts of it, so you

(01:11:53):
dirt adopt certain parts of it and swag and those
things to be cool. But when it comes down to
you to it, you really don't rock with the culture
like that. I think it goes deeper than political affiliation
and more to do with maybe them perceiving Jackson to
be one way, and that being a revelation like oh, okay,

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I thought he was this, He's not really that, so
now I have to treat him as such.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I would say this, this is not going to go
away anytime too soon, and this could hurt this bull club.
I'll give you an example. They're gonna go to practice
one day and all of a sudden, someone's gonna blurt
it out in the locker room. Hey Jackson, how do
you like paying six bucks a gallon of gasoline for
your car? That's your boy Trump doing that. These are
the comments that are going to rip that team apart.
In the locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Nah, they like, Nah, it won't, it won't. It won't
have an impact like that because now people that treat
everybody as such, like once you do those things, like
everyone to be like, oh okay, cool, we see how you go,
Like it's it's fine, it's a work relationship or whatever,
and that's what it'll be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
And people can get along like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Like teams are different, particularly boys, seems like they can
have that line where they canmpartmentalize things and they just
get along. I think it's just a discovery now for
some teammates on who he is and what he believes in,
and then what you do is you treat him as such,
you treat him appropriately based on those things. But it
doesn't have to rip apart the locker room. I don't

(01:13:18):
think it will rip apart.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
The locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
If anything, what they'll do is they'll have legitimate conversations
and they'll move beyond it because like Jackson dar is
not the only one who believes and Trump and those things,
and Abdul Carter is not the only one who may
have a countertake like that's just sports, like there's no sport.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Well, yeah, don't tell me, but Jackson was stupid enough
to go public with that. I'm sure he's not the
only one who's a Trump supporter in that locker room,
but we don't know who the other ones are because
they were smart enough to say, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Know, but it does no. But it doesn't even matter
if you support that, like people can take you for
who you are and be like, okay, you rock that way.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
When we go to work, though, you got to put
all that other stuffer side, and we got to focus
on the task at hand and work and we never
have to sit at the dinner our families never have
to engage and interact with one another and those things. Now,
you can win like that. In a perfect world, you
want everything the bar harmonious and kumbai yah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
But that's just not what exists.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
They just have to get to a point where they
respect each other in the locker room to be able
to execute the players and do what they need to
do on the field together. Do they need to be besties,
Absolutely not to be able to win at the highest level.
It's better when you operate like that, but it doesn't
mean that you have to do that to win.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
All right, He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Freman. Where live
from the Fox Bus Radio studios. Wayne, We'll get to Wayne,
but first, yay RNA next all right, yea Na, coming
right up about twelve minutes now before the top of
the hour. He's Bucket Brooks and Andy Furman and we're
live from the Fox Bus Radio studios. But before we
get to the UNA, we got Wayne. Wayne, You're out
with Bucky Brooks on Fox Sports Sunday. Hello Wayne, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Good morning, Buckie. And it's a pleasure to talk to you, gentlemen.
I want to say off the top, guys are my
favorite too on the radio now. Enever, your show is
Sponts NFL Sports and usually I just sit back listen
to you guys, have my morning couple of coffee on Sunday.
That's my routine. This is the second Sunday in the row.

(01:15:15):
I done had the call because this thing has ventured
over into politics. So I just want to say this,
Can we just in this stuff like today and just
really start focusing on training camp coming up and stuff
like that, because you know, I'm just gonna say this
moved my spirit a whole other way to even call

(01:15:37):
in talking about this. I don't want to get on
here talking about the president. I'm like, if you're in touch,
you know about ballrooms and all this other kind of things.
You know about his sons getting enriched by contracts. You
know about you know, the water's going on over here
and Irene and stuff like this. You know about gas

(01:15:58):
going up. I'm in California's getting that eight dollars a
gallon out here, Lucky, most of your listeners not living
out here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
You're talking about struggling.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Man, that's a struggle.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
You know. We want to talk about NFL football, Bucky,
And you know I don't mean to cut you off,
but we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
We'll start right now. We're gonna do an a and
you're right, You're you're one thousand percent correct. And I
don't want to talk about it either. What's about fun
stuff like sports? We'll do that, waite, Thank you, enjoying
the coffee. We're gona go back to ye Na. Let's
do it. Okay, let's figure rock those brains, gentlemen. These
stories needed ass I think this yay or nay? All right,

(01:16:40):
I'm jay.

Speaker 11 (01:16:40):
Let's get it going, all right, Bucky, with the next
advancing to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
Is Jalen Brunson officially a superstar?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Look, I think he's there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I think he's been so good and the way he's
done it on a major state and then playing in
New York certainly elevated. I think you have to consider
him a superstar just because if his talent and the
pedigree that he's displayed in these playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Moments, I say not quite almost he's touching it, but
not with all five fingers. He's touching it. You gotta
win a title. You gotta win at least one title,
and then I'll conside you with superstar. However, there have
been superstars that have never won a title. But I
think in this day and age, to be a superstar,
in my mind, you gotta win a title. They're very close,

(01:17:24):
He's very close, and I think he eventually will be
considered a superstar.

Speaker 11 (01:17:30):
And college football is breaking away from the NCAA, yeah
or nay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Nay, nay, nay nay, because if that ever happens, you
might as well fold it all together. I mean no,
you have to have some sort of a governing body
and get them together and let them work together. So
that's a big time nay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Yeah, I would say no, they're not breaking away. They
have to be a part of it. Is just a
part of the fabric, covet all. This is just posturing
in those things. But I'm not breaking away.

Speaker 8 (01:18:00):
From it, Bucky.

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
With a lockout looming for the MLB season next year
in twenty twenty seven, MLB owners are looking for a
salary cap.

Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
Now yeah your nay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Yeah, they're trying to control costs as all business owners
are trying to do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Look, if they have a lockout, it's gonna be bad
for business because the little support and momentum that they
built up, they're gonna lose it all with a work stoppage.
They need to be careful tread lightly on this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, I say a nay on this because I think
that if the physics strike and they don't play, I
think this could have really really hurt baseball this time.
I really will. I understand what they're trying to do.
I don't want to make a little more competitive, but
it doesn't seem to work that way because you look
at the teams like the Mets, which are meander his
payrolls and then not winning anyway. So I say.

Speaker 11 (01:18:46):
Nay Andy a viral video this past week of Bryce
Harper Phillies first Baseman brushing his teeth and his technique.
He squeezes the toothpaste straight from the tube into his
mouth and then starts to brush his teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah your nae yay, Because I saw that video and
I tried doing it myself. I almost choked. But it's
he ya, because he got some talk on have they
got some social media and you know what, there's gonna
be too commercials on TV with various toothpaste to be
doing it that way, it's unique. He's creative. Sona ya tee.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
I give a note.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
That is crazy and that is gross discorted directly in
your mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
I mean it works for him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I'm glad he had some hygiene in the dugout, but
that is gross. I am.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
I'm good on that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
All right.

Speaker 11 (01:19:36):
And last one here, Bucky, a ninety eight year old
British World War Two veteran, officially became the world's oldest
wingwalker when he stood a top of a flying plane
in England. Harry Heasman spent more than nine minutes a
top of the plane at a height at over one
thousand feet at Duxford Airfields in Cambridge.

Speaker 8 (01:19:56):
Your nay, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Look, I mean you ninety you might as well go ahead.
If you don't go bad, it goes a riot like
it's no big deal. Give them credit for being able
to do it, a lot of courage. I wouldn't do it, though.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Yeah, what has he got to lose? Right, he's ninety eight.
I'd give him a ya, but I would test his
alcohol level because he may have been drinking. I don't know,
there's something wrong. He got to be crazy to do
something like that, but again, he's ninety eight. God bless him. Okay,
one coach needs guardrails. That and so much more. We're
right here. Fox Sports Sunday coming up next. Stay with us,

(01:20:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Everything's great, man, No complainants, another great Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
You sound great, you look even better, you really do. Now.
I got a couple of a couple of football questions.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Only you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Only you could answer these questions. There's no one else.
That's why I save them from you. That's about Ben Roethlisberger.
All of a sudden, Now Ben Rotherisberger is talking more
now than he ever did as a player. He's got
podcasts he's criticizing, and I kind of, you know, I'm
a little down on him after he took a couple
of shots at Mike Tomlin. You know, I love Mike Tomlin.

(01:21:31):
I think he's a Hall of Fame coach. He'll do
well known on TV. But during the season he took
a couple of shots at Tomlin, and I guess maybe
because he played there. I don't know. It's none of
my business, but you know, sometimes it's better off not
to say anything, all right, Some people say that to me,
But you know what, we get paid to talk. So
it's a different animal. It's a different animal all of
a sudden. Now he's questioning the training technique and a

(01:21:55):
training plan for the quarterback that the Steelers drafted drewe
Law from Penn State instead. It's making him nervous. First
of all, why would he even care? Why is he
getting involved with this just to get his name out there.
I don't get it, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Look, man, Ben Roethlisberger is going to be a Hall
of Fame quarterback. He certainly has the opinion to be
able to. He certainly has the gravitas in the area
to be able to weigh in on the quarterback situation.
And given Drew Aller's size and similar dimensions in Roethlisberger,
he may have some insight on how to play the
position at that that's it. I mean, he's never played

(01:22:33):
under Mike McCarthy. He's not privated what McCarthy is teaching
in the meeting room. So he should probably reserve judgment
until he has an opportunity to really see Drew Aller play,
whether that is in mini camps, whether that's in preseason
or whatever. So just give McCarthy an aller time to
get together before you kind of weigh in. But this

(01:22:53):
is what we do. We're in the content creation business.
They put some content out there so we can comment
on it, and we can create the content that we
want to have some people to come back and listen
to us. That's what Ben Roethlisberg is engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
In right now. Ala received one on one instruction, they
say now from McCarthy during the rookie mini camp and
also from the quarterback coach, Tom Arth and they said
they put him through the ringer by reteaching basic principles
like altering his delivery and stance as a passer. Now
to me, and I look, the next snap I take

(01:23:27):
in the NFL be my first. But to me, altering
things like that is something that you've had success with
all your life. Here's a guy who threw for over
with three thousand yards and twenty four touchdowns in twenty
twenty four for Penn State. Why would you alter it
before they even play the game. It's because it's the
style that you, as a coach wanted to do, or
you think he's better suited to do that stuff. I

(01:23:47):
don't get that. You know, people don't tell in any
walk of life, how to change what you do. If
he's successful in what you're doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Well, dis called coaching because if you knew how to
do it, we wouldn't he coached. And so for Drew Roller,
who is a third round pick, he needs coaching because
we did see inconsistency in his game at Penn State.
So what Mike McCarthy is doing, given his experience having
worked with Joe Montana and Brett Farb and Aaron Rodgers
and others, is take all those experiences and say, hey, Drew,

(01:24:17):
this may be something that can help you maximize your
talent and your potential. So what we want to do
is we're going to teach you these techniques and tools
to give him to you. And it may look early,
it may look bad early, but it's can be so
much better for you down the line. Trust us, trust
this process, and you can be a better player. That
is coaching. That's what every coach should do with every player.

(01:24:39):
So I'm willing to give it time to see what
does it look like down the end. He doesn't have
to be a finished product today because they don't need him.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
To play today.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
But what you would like him to do is to
develop and to maybe be a better than anticipated player
as a third round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Down the line, and so this is part of that process.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
I hear what you're saying, and I agree with everything
you say. Was that's what a coach should do to
make you the best possible athlete you could be. But
Roethlisberger comes back and says I made him makes him nervous.
He says, he says, he's watching some of the stuff
they're doing with him at practice, like working on his drop.
I'm not trying to knock this quarterback school that McCarthy does,
he says, right, I really, But I know Aaron Rodgers

(01:25:17):
talked about it in the past because he's gone through
it in Green Bay and he's told Tally about it.
But he said, it's just me. I'm watching him do
three steps three steps drops and it makes me nervous.
All right. Why would he Roethlisberger say that? And you
say he's a Hall of Fame quarterback. You know he's
somewhat of a position to be a quote coach as
well because he's been there, done that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
But I mean, just because it doesn't necessarily work for you,
or you wouldn't do it that way, it doesn't mean
that it's wrong. And so his word saying that it
makes him nervous, he's kind of he's kind of touring
the line, meaning he wants to be critical. But then
if you go back and play these comments and Ala
has a lot of success, Hey, it just made me

(01:26:01):
nervous and didn't mean I said that it wasn't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
I was just nervous about it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
I was apprehensive about them beginning to change and tweak
his stuff. But hey, they knew, right, I wasn't wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
So he didn't really give me a nod answer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
He should either say I don't look, it's not gonna
work for him, I don't see this working for him,
or this is gonna be great for him. But saying nervous,
he just kind of put his toe in the water.
But he didn't fully commit to an opinion one way
or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Right, because when you go to a football camp, the
first thing you teach the young kids is how to
do a three step drops.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
And everybody does it, and everybody does it differently though
there's not a universal way of doing it. So Aaron Rodgers,
and I think Aaron Rodgers is a great example one,
he can talk to what he learned from Mike McCarthy.
And if people go back and really think about Aaron
Rodgers the first three seasons, one he didn't play, but
two of those man the preseason performance from Aaron Rodgers

(01:26:55):
was terrible. But what they were doing is because people
don't remember this, they were romantic size and who he
was coming out. He played for Jeff Tetford at Cal
Jeff Tefford and all the quarterbacks that played under him
had a certain way that they would carry the football,
how they held it up high on the carriage as
they would say. Well, Mike McCarthy had to get him
out of those old college habits to teach him how

(01:27:18):
to play it in a pro style. So he had
to break down his mechanics and build it back up,
very similar to what he's doing with Drew Allen. It
is important that Aaron Rodgers acknowledged that a look, I
understand why he does those things. It really worked out
for me, and so that's part of the coaching process.
But you got to trust the coach, and so for
Drew Aller, he has to be able to submit to

(01:27:38):
the coaching so that he can't potentially be a better
player than the line. Everyone is going to have an opinion,
like being Roethlisberger, and they're finally have their opinion. But
I'm more willing to trust on Mike McCarthy, who's developed
and worked with a lot of quarterbacks, including because I
forgot to mention Dak Prescott, and a lot of them
have had their best years of their career up under
his tutelage.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
You know, it's funny you say that because to me,
as an outsider really looking in, you know, I would
sooner take Ben Rothersberger's response over McCarthy, who never played
the game. Really, he was not an All Pro quarterback
in the NFL when you think about it, Rothersbroger did
it and McCarthy didn't. But McCarthy has had success producing

(01:28:18):
and developing quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Yeah, and I would say this, And look, I am
as pro player as you will find in terms of
pro players getting opportunities to coach. But just because you
didn't play doesn't mean you can't be a great coach.
Coaching is teaching, and you're.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Teaching to get people better. So can you develop.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
And understand tech sniques well enough that you can pass
it on to a player and make them better. Mike
McCarthy has proven in this league he is one of
the better coaches in this league.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Not only is the Super Bowl champion, but he's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
A long track record at being very successful. I'm more
willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that
he is going to find a way to help dre
Ala be what many of us hope that he can be.
But remember, he's a third round pick, not a first
round pick. So as a third round pick, there is
some development that is needed. That's why he's in the
third round instead of the first round, So it will

(01:29:13):
take time. There were things that they identified in the
draft process to make drew out of the pick. So
you got to let Mike McCarthy do his thing and
see what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
You know, of all the stories that I've read on
the NFL and football, I don't think anybody has ever
touched on his story. And then maybe you'll do this
one day on NFL dot com when you're right your
weekly stuff. Coaches who really never played or had successful
NFL careers who became great coaches. You played for a
great coach in Buffalo and Marv Levy, right, And then
I don't think he had a great career.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Edit me right, No, I played for a bunch of them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Like every coach that I played for is either in
the Hall of Fame or they're a super Bowl champion.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
And so with the exception of Marty Shottennam, who won two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Hundred games in this league, one of only eight coaches
to be able to do that. So you think about
Marv Levy, you think about Mike Hongren, Tom Coughlin, John Gruten,
and then I mentioned Marty Schotenheimer.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
All those guys want.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
And of that group, the only one that I know
that played in the Pros Marty Schottenheimer. Those other guys
didn't play in the Pros. And so the league overwhelmingly
is coached by people who have not coached or played
in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
And that is okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
We're looking for great teachers, and that's what every player wants.
They want a great teacher that show them how to
play so they can get better and maximize their opportunities
while they're in this league.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Let me stay with that for a second, so I
hear what you're saying, and you can't be a great
teacher and not being a great player, and this proof
positive in that, But how many players will respond to
a coach's I guess statement of coaching technique and mumble
under respecially, who what does he know? He never played
the game? Have you seen that or heard that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
I mean, yeah, that's always a part of it. But
that's why your teaching has to be so superb. They
didn't don't question you. But yeah, the buy in naturally,
the buy in is a little different from a player
than a non player, meaning that if I walk in
the room and the first thing I do is I
look at the media guy to see where have you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Come from, what's your experience?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
If I see that someone's been an NFL player, yeah,
I'm more likely to listen to them initially because they've
walked mouths in my shoes. However, just like the non
player that's teaching and coaching, I'm a look at his stuff,
and if I believe in it, I'm gonna absolutely go
all the way in it because it makes sense to me.
I'm seeing myself improve doing it his way. Both parties,

(01:31:32):
you still have to earn your keep in terms of
earning and maintaining that respect, and the only way that
comes is the things that you show me helped me
become a better player, and I see those things come
to fruition in game action.

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
I think Aaron Rodgers proved positive because he's one of
those guys that basically would go public saying what the
hell do you know? And I think he has I
think one of the reasons why he didn't retire and
came back to play this year is Mike McCarthy. I
think that's the reason why he's coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
I mean, it might have something to do at the
level of familiarity in those things, but I will say this,
it's a lot of growth that had to take place
between both parties, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, because remember
how the split happened at the end, like Mike McCarthy
got fired, Like Aaron Rodgers might have had a.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Little something to do with that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Not the Stanity nudged him out, but there was something
where there was a fracturing of the relationship at the end.
And there was always this thing because remember Mike McCarthy
was offensive coordinator in San Francisco. When the San Francisco
forty nine ers took Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers. Aaron
Rodgers thought and wanted to be a Niner because it's

(01:32:42):
close to his hometown. Didn't work out like that, so
they had to defrost that relationship when they got together.
And then they had some levels of success. And as
Aaron Rodgers grew to be a multiple four time MVP,
one the greater stay in the offense and he had
a lot of freedom to run the offense. Mike McCarthy
did all of those things, you know, the ebbs and flows,

(01:33:02):
the relationships. Now they appear to be back on good terms,
and I do believe this is the best thing for
Aaron Rodgers and the best thing for Mike McCarthy. Ann
Rodgers played well for Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy is one
of the few people that can hold Aaron Rodgers to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
A standard because he knows them from the jump.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
This could be mutually beneficial for the Pittsburgh still is
because these guys have to be on the same page,
and they are on the same page as they both
want success in the last year of Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Rodgers' career, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
I think they'll do well this year. The steals too,
I really do. And speaking of quarterbacks, you know, sometimes
stories are manufactured, you know, more often than not. The
NFL is great. One of the reasons why it's so successful.
It's like a soap opera. There's great stories, great storylines
all the time, in season and out of season, and
there's really no out of season. Everything's going on all
the time. But there was a story just the other

(01:33:51):
day by Matthew Stafford went public on a decision why
the Rams drafted on the thirteenth pickoverall Ty Simpson, the
quarterback out of Alabama. I mean, who cares, you know?
I think that's a manufactured story. And the funny thing is,
if you really wanted to get the story, you should
have talked to Matthew Stafford the night of the draft.
You talk to him this week. What does he care?

(01:34:13):
He just up for fifty five million dollar extension on
his contract. So if you would have asked him that question,
maybe maybe the night of the draft, maybe there would
have been some meat on the bone for a story there.
Not now now he could he doesn't care. I just
don't think he cares. Now. He looked Ty Simpson's there.
He says he has a lot of respect for him.
You know, although he went to Georgia and he went

(01:34:33):
there and the Simpson went to Alabama, he said he
saw him play and he liked what he saw. He's
gonna help him along, he said, all the right things,
and that's fine. But he's very comfortable with a fifty
five million dollar deal extension, and he's going to be
the quarterback. And I don't think he's going to ever
be threatened by Ty Simpson unless he's hurt, unless his
bat gives in and he can't play.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Yeah, I think there, But I don't think Matthew Stafford
was going to be upset at the drafting. I think
Matthew Stafford has been around this league long enough to
underst the duality of what the Rams are trying to do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
The Rams are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Trying to win a Super Bowl right now with Matthew
Stafford as their quarterback, but they're also trying to set
themselves up for success when he leaves. They're trying to
have an easy transition to allow the franchise to continue
to operate.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
At a high level when he's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
If Matthew Stafford really cares about the Rams in the organization,
he understands that he understands that that is a part
of the business. He also understands that his greater mission
is to not only play and play at a high
level to help them win now. But man, the best
part of your legacy is to pass it on, so
you could leave the game and the team in a
better situation than you inherited. So my job is to

(01:35:38):
point to the young fella as much as I can
while maintaining my focus on playing well. If he does that,
then man, the Rams will have plenty of appreciation for
the job that he has done, and he would have
paid the game forward by doing that. By pouring in
the tissumption, this should have never been an acrimonious situation,

(01:35:58):
something that would have made matth Through Stafford feel a
certain type of way. If anything, he should be able
to understand, Oh, this is why the team is moving
like this.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
They love me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
They're not trying to kick me out, but they have
to prepare for the time that I'm not here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
You know, it's funny. I don't think a lot of
people realize. Well, I don't think I've seen a lot
of things written or talked about Matthew Stafford. I think
it's wonderful that he's given the opportunity. He was given
the opportunity to go to the Rams. I mean, I
thought he was really good in Detroit, but he was
buried in Detroit with the Detroit Lions. People don't even
talk about that. I don't think people remember that he

(01:36:33):
was the Detroit Lion really. I mean it was like
he was just down there and now all of a sudden,
he's become a great quarterback. He was a great quarterback
then on a bad team. He really was. And I'm
so happy really that people get an opportunity to show
their skill level and he had that opportunity. A lot
of people don't get that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
A lot of people don't get that opportunity. But let's
also understand this when it comes to me through Stafford,
he played at a high level in Detroit. Like there
were times where we talked about him being a MVP
caliber player when he was there. He at one point
he was like the active leader and comebacks in those things.
In terms of what he was doing for the Detroit Lions,

(01:37:15):
he was phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
They just couldn't get over the top there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
And I think it's a rare instance where the trade
was a win win for both teams. Matthew Stafford found
himself in a better situation with the Rams. Jared Goff
certainly helped the Detroit Lions kind of re emerge as
a team that could be a powerhouse. We've seen what
they were able to do protecting when Ben Johnson was there,
called them the plays for Matthew Stafford. Yeah, the move

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to Hollywood has helped him because he put him on
a bigger stage, right, it's part of the lights with
the LA and it's worked for him. And if he's
able to pull off another one, Look, he has already
kind of made the case and maybe submitted himself as
a Hall of Famer, but he has an opportunity to
really seal and submit his legacy with the way that

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he performs these last few years in LA.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Okay, but you would admit this if he remained in Detroit,
no one would ever mention Matthew Stafford's name and the
Hall of Fame in the same breath. Now he's going
to go to the Hall of Fame, got a Super
Bowl under his belt and maybe another.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
One mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
No, Look, there's no doubt he is going to be
He's gonna be celebrated as a Hall of Fame player,
Like there's no doubt about that. Yeah, so certainly I
do understand that you are right about that. That's gonna
be a big part of who he is and it'll
continue to be a part of his script.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
You don't say that often, and I'm going to remember
that you said the term, he said the words. You
were right to me. That never happens much, but that's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
It's rare that you're right. So I want to acknowledge
and give you your flowers when you make a right call.
So that was the right call in terms of what
you said about Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
It doesn't happen often, really, And with that, we're going
to do this. Let's do the tireract play of the day.
Can we do that? Now, let's do it. I'm sap penny.

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Blame game come up at about ten or twelve minutes
from now. But we talked about coaches before, and let's
talk about a female coach right now. We're talking about
Becky Hammond. Okay, Now, when the Knicks completed that four

(01:40:54):
game suite, took the Bruins out beat up on the
Cavaliers last week, the first time they're going through the
finals since nineteen ninety nine. Jalen Brunson of the Knicks,
who was named MVP of those Eastern Conference finals, averaged
twenty five and a half points a game, seven point
five assists, shot almost forty nine percent from the floor
in the entire series that the Knicks of four wins
away from World champions. Okay, first titles since nineteen seventy three.

(01:41:18):
All right, and the MVP and he's only six foot two,
but Becky hadn't. How did she get in the picture.
I'll tell you she's the coach in the Las Vegas Aces,
and back in December of twenty twenty three, she said
that the Knicks were quote missing a quote one a
dude and that if your best player is small, you're
not winning. Did she ever see h? Do you ever

(01:41:40):
see the Golden State Warriors play? I mean really, I
mean with Steph Curry, he's small. Why would she say
that you've heard about this? Haven't you the buck? I
mean Walbert Jersey something.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Like that, Because more than like it's true if you
look at the trends, she wasn't speaking out of turn.
And I know a lot of people are pulling this
back up of what she's saying. Is so hard for
a team with a small your best player being the
smallest player to win. It's hard for guards to dominate
the game because to do it, you got to be

(01:42:12):
able to hit a bunch of jump shots, and it's
hard to win as a jump shooting squad. And even
though Steph Curry did it, remember the conversation over the Warriors,
we never had seen anything like that. We hadn't seen
a team that was guard dominant, that just shot three
after three after three win. Jalen Brunston in the Knicks
were not necessarily viewed as a team that shot the
ball as well or as proficiently as Golden State, and

(01:42:35):
Jalen Bronson was not viewed as a Steph Curry like presence.
Now he's a baller, he's been an even better baller
with the next But remember when he was at Dallas,
he wasn't the number one. Luka Doncis was done number one.
So when she said that back in twenty twenty three,
he hadn't proven that he could be the alpha dog
and be the number one. He had done it for moments,

(01:42:57):
but he hadn't done it over time. So when she spoke,
she was being at and time will tell if Jalen
Brunson can really do it. But I can't fall bicky
him before opinion, because I think over time history will
tell you small guys don't win. It's a big men's
league and it's always been. And so I understand where
she was coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
You know what, though, You're right, it is a big
men's league. But there's a small guy over there, and
I think he's one of the best, and he never
gets talked about. I'm talking about Nate to Skate Archibald
all Right played for Dewick Clinton High School in the Bronx. Okay,
he did win a championship during his career. He won
with the Boston Celtics in eighty and eighty one. And
this guy was a six time NBA All Star. I

(01:43:35):
think he once led the league in points and assists.
And I think he's one of those guys that when
you talk about small guys, he always gets overlooked. No
one talks about Nate Archibald, And I think Nate Archibald
is one of the best, if not if maybe you
talk about great small men, He's got to be on
that team. If you did five great small guys, Steph
Curry's won and Nate Archibald's gotta be one a.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I mean, look, he deserves to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
But you talk about Tiny Archiwall, who my dad used
to talk about all the time when I was coming up.
The thing about it, did he dominate? Did his teams
dominate the league with him as the main guy? But
remember Tiny Archibaal and those guys coming in Larry Bird.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
When Larry Bird come in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty, so Larry Bird was the
guy that was the big part of that team, not
tiny yeah, and not Tiny Archiball. So what she's saying
is factual. The main people that they were talking about
on that Ceptics team was Larry Bird or whatever. Tiny
Archiwal was a great contributor, but it wasn't necessarily his team.

(01:44:40):
Jalen Brunson this is his team and so for him
to lead him would be an anomaly. It would be
an outlier because we haven't seen a small guard lead
the team like that. Yeah, we talked about Steph Curry,
but we haven't like Jalen Brunson and Steph Curry are
different type players. So I understand what she's saying when
she talked about the Jon Brunson thing, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
I hear what you say. I look, I think right now,
if you had to see Becky Hammond, she'd be more
than happy to take those remarks back. Although they did
say the other day she doubled down on what she
had to say, and really and surely the way you
she's right, She's right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Yeah, she should double down. And you also have to
remember this with her, she was an assistant for Greg
Popovich on those Spurs teams. Those Spurs teams won because
they had dominant big people. You look at the teams
that she's coached now with the Las Vegas Aces, they
win because of the dominant big person.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Yes, they had good guards, but for.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
The Aces, Aggie Wilson was.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
The number one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
She was the player that, yeah, that ran through it,
Kem's Parker being a part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
So all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
In fact, when she was in San Antonio, Tim Duncan,
David Robinson, the biggs, So she learned how to win
or she has an appreciation for winning through the bigs,
which could make it harder for her to say, hey,
we're gonna win with this little person because that's counter
to her experien Now, if Jayleen Brunston doesn't I am
sure she was a guard, she'll be like, hey, look great,

(01:46:05):
I was wrong about that. But at the time, here's
what I'm saying. I think people love to pull out
opinions from way back and be like, I got you,
see you said this right. But she said, like, let's
use the context of when I said it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
In twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
He hadn't proven himself to be the alpha that he's
become in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
You know, if a guy would have said that. I
think it would be taken in a grain of salt
that maybe not even made a big deal about it.
I think the fact that it's a woman saying it,
and you know there are people who look to smacker
around a little bit the media, I really believe, I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Mean a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
But like, look, sports talk radio is a combat sport.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
If you're gonna engage.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
In some of this stuff and if you're gonna have opinions,
you got to be able to come back at it.
And I think she is okay with the smoke. I
think the ones that drive you crazy are the ones
who don't. She doubled down on it. She's still on
her opinion, which is what we all want people to do.
Stand on it, and she didn't blink when people come.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
Back at her.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
She gave context for why she believes that. She doubled
down and said, we'll see if he can win it.
And we will see because to me, this is the
Knicks going into this as the favorite, what started as
an underdog story.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Oh look at the lovable Knicks. They can win it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Now there's gonna be a level of expectation that they
should win it because they had experienced, they're older, they're
this over the spurs. It is a lot different going
after it when you're the hunter as opposed to the hunted.
The Knicks are now having to play the role of
being hunted.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
This is different.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
It's a different ball of whack when you're the underdog.
Because they weren't favored to come out of the East,
but they've done it. Now there's expectations. How do you
handle expectations? That falls on the next and we'll see
how they handle the pressure of being the favorite in
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
You make a great point there because obviously no one
expected san Antonio or the Knicks to get there. But
the Knicks have that New York market, the New York media.
They full if they failed, they'll make If they don't
win it all, it'll be bad. And san Antonio they don't.
You know, theydn't play with house money now. They don't
expect to be there, so you know they'll they'll give
the Knicks a run for the money. They may even
win it. But the point is that no one really cares.

(01:48:16):
But if New York doesn't win it, they'll be held
to pay. They really will.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
You have more pressure on them, more pressure and that
is the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
We'd love to see it. And I know, look deep
down inside, I know you're a New Yorker.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
You down there, you got your knickerbocket stuff. You're digging
in the bottom of your drawers, pulling out all those
nineteen seventy shirts because you feel like this is their time.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
And there's a lot of people that right for.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Right see, there's a there's a coordination party. They've already
planned the parade in New York. You've already started looking
at tickets and trying to figure out how you can
get there to be a part of the ticket day.
A lot of pressure comes with it. And because look
we talk about it like those first two games, I
think in San Antonio, Game three, the President is going
to be in the building, which is going to create

(01:49:01):
even more. It's gonna be jumping, it's gonna be a
lot of stuff going.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
On in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
Maybe Jackson though.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Maybe might happen. It's gonna be a lot of it's
gonna be a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
Unreal. You talk about coaches, you talk at Becky Hammer
right there, what about the Texas Tech football coach Joey Maguire.
I love coaches like this, all right. He challenged Texas
and Steve Sarkisian to schedule his Red Radors in Week
one after Sarkisian had some bad remarks about the Texas
Tech football schedule. I love guys like that. And again,

(01:49:33):
that's why Steve Sarkisian is always viewed as the d
nasty guy, the mean guy. You know, he's not really
well liked. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
I won't say if it's him being well liked or not.
But here's what I will say. When you run your mouth,
you gotta be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
And so a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Different things have happened over the last couple of weeks.
He talked about ole miss and basket weaving and those things.
So that is going to create an opportunity whenever they
square off, there's gonna be a lot of conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
And then this thing that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
He said about Texas Tech, without saying their name, he said,
there's a school in our state that's not in our conference,
who if we played their schedule, we could win with
our twos and threes. So disrespectful for him to say that,
particularly in fact Texas Tech just came out of the playoffs.
I didn't see Texas in the playoffs, but was Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
In this playoffs? Did I miss it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Did I miss that? So to take a shot at
a team who's had a lot of success, Oh, I
can understand Jordy mcgott. But here's what I love about
Joey McGrath and Texas Tech being able to fire back off.
They have a big money booster who said, oh, I'll
pay off. I'll pay off our first tw opponents. If
y'all want to get on the schedule, we can do this.
I liked it because now put.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
Up a shut up. You're gonna do all this talking.
Let's be about it. So I like that. I love
this father.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Okay, So the Texas Longhorns on the Red Raiders of
Texas Tech. They have Week one games against get this,
Texas State and Avaline. Christian all Right is a Texas
high school coach. Former coach in high school there said
he's already spoken to Keith Patterson and GJ. Gin Again.
I guess it is a Texas State. Both are willing

(01:51:12):
to buy out of their games and play each other instead.
How do you like that? That's pretty good? So I
hope sometimes like you said, you gotta be kid, what
you say, because I don't think Sarkisian thought anything like
this would develop. He thought he's just gonna run his
mouth and life is going to continue. Now he may
be forced to be playing these guys and boy, but
would get his head handed to him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Oh yeah, this did this. This is a very interesting one,
like doing all their talk and yeah, he set himself up.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
He certainly set.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Himself up, uh, to not only be talked about, but
to have to maybe potentially play that. Now Texas, if
they're smart, they won't participate in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
There's nothing positive that can come out of this.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
What could they because if they win the game, there's nothing,
there's nothing to gain. Like, if they win, they can
be like all right, you're right, you said it. But
if they lose, Oh, the bragg and right inside the
state of Texas going to Texas Tech. And because Texas
Tech has always kind of felt like the step kid,
you know, not fully loved and appreciated. Man, they would

(01:52:14):
love nothing more than they have an opportunity to take
the horns down.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Oh man, yeah, it's great, I love it. You know,
we talked about the sec early before earlier today with
their commissioner, Grid Sankee basically saying that really and truly
is still the toughest football sports league in college sports
today as opposed to the Big Ten. Now, he came
out with a mandatory sports gambling education for athletes ahead

(01:52:40):
of this coming sports season twenty six twenty seven. All
athletes in the SEC they got to take an exam
or of course about gambling. You know, to me, this
is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. It's money
not well spent. All you got to do is a
coach say there's no gambling. If you're caught, you're off
the Team's it? What kind of a course you got

(01:53:01):
to take? And this is you know, you know why
they're doing it. I gotta believe they're doing it because
they want to protect themselves for I guess lawsuits. If
a kid gets caught gambling and gets throw off a team,
then they could sue the school for say, well, you
didn't teach us this, We should have known better, Right,
they'll sue. Everybody's looking to sue make money, so they're

(01:53:22):
doing this to cover their rear end. That's why they're
doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's a part of it.
But those education things have always been a part of
what college coaches try to do to educate their kids.
And as you're dealing with more stuff, right, more money
coming in, more pressure on the athletes, gambling interests and
all that, it is really important that you do have
these routine discussions with your players about what is the environment,

(01:53:50):
what is the landscape, how you handle yourself in dealing
with all of the issues that you can potentially be
confronted with. That's part of what good coaches do. They
should be on the front end of it. And I'm
glad to hear that people are beginning to talk about
that because it's important.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
Well, the SEC is doing it, so that means every
other conference in the country is going to do it
now too, I'm sure of it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Yeah, yeah, yes, everyone's gonna have to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Don't you think a college athlete knows it's bad. They're
not blinded by the news out there. They're just not
going to gamble. I mean, I don't get it. I
don't understand why they're doing this. I think it's the
stupidest thing to do. But you know, I don't want
to see another Brendan Soursby case out there. But again,
to him, it's a disease. He was addicted to it.
He really was, and it's said it really is. But
he'll play, and you agreed. He will be playing college

(01:54:36):
football this year, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
One hundred percent. He absolutely will. They'll try and find
a way to work around it. I just think from
him finding a way in the courts to get it done,
I think it's just gonna be really, really hard. But
I can understand why the NCAA would go hard against
it because it does it a bad president.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
No doubt, right, and the element of doubt when a
guy's playing on the field, I wonder if you know,
if you dropped the pass and when there's I wonder
if he was gambling on that. There we go, all right,
he's Bucky Brooks on Mainy Ferman. We are Fox Sports
Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. Go ahead, point your finger.
The blame game is freaking next. All right, blame game

(01:55:16):
coming right up. We're about eleven minutes before the top
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We're living on the Fox Sports Radio studios. And by
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right here on Fox Sports Radio Top of the Hour.

(01:55:37):
About eleven minutes from an now. But right now, it's
time for Stevie Wonder in the play game. You ruin me.
It's all your fault. No, it's your fault.

Speaker 8 (01:55:45):
What is all your fault?

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Maybe it's everyone's fault. See the liar. That's why there's
the Blaine game. The game. Let's figure out who to
have blamed, would have blamed? Yeah? You ready? I think
you're the seventy fifth producer we've had. Are you ready
to do the lame game?

Speaker 8 (01:56:05):
Absolutely? Always?

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 8 (01:56:08):
Let's do it, all right, Andy.

Speaker 11 (01:56:11):
Cleveland Cavaliers head coach Kenny Atkinson had some choice words
we can call it after the Calves were swept in
four by the Knicks. His quoted saying, we've won two
of three analytically with shot quality.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
What sounds like a guy to me trying to save
his rear. End you got Freddy's gonna get fired he's
not getting fired if they say he's going to stay
with Cleveland. But what are you talking about. If I'm
a player and I hear that, I said, you're you're crazy.
We lost. You know, I don't care what you did
the final scores on the scoreboard. You lost analytically, physically,

(01:56:47):
mentally does make a difference. You lost, and you're an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
WHOA Yeah, I think you're trying to explain away, like
how a seam was going. He was trying to give
them a shout of confidence in those things, but it
didn't work. Like the Cavs had opportunities, they didn't get
it done. He has to live with that. And the
sooner they acknowledge those things and hold their people accountable
for their shortcomings, the better it can be for them.

Speaker 8 (01:57:11):
Bucky.

Speaker 11 (01:57:12):
The MLB proposed a salary cap for next season.

Speaker 8 (01:57:18):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
I blame the owners.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
I mean this is part of a money grab for greed.
They're trying to make sure that they can have cost
certainty when it comes to the cap while still continue
to benefit from the escalating valuations of their franchises. Yeah,
the owners are trying to pull one by because the
public generally doesn't side with players. So that's what this is.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
Owners.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
I blame owners are pigs, all right, And there's a
reason why they're wealthy people that really are because they've
done things like this all their lives in other businesses.
They have money. They want more money, more money, more money.
You remember back in the day when baseball was the
simplest sport, when you go on a Sunday afternoon and
you see two games for the one they will call

(01:58:01):
double headers. They don't have that now. What they have
is a day night games. That's what they call with
two separate admissions. Why they want more money, that's what
it's all about. TV did that to them. Everything's doing
it to them. They want more money. Money begets money,
and that's what it's all about. But you know what,
they don't do anything. People don't pay to see owners.
People pay to see talent on the field, and they're

(01:58:23):
the performance and they need to get money. I don't
care how much money they make because that's what you're
going to see. You know, you don't go to see
an owner. Sorry, Andy.

Speaker 11 (01:58:33):
The thunder Blue a three to two series lead in
the Western Conference Finals against the Spurs, including a game
seven home loss.

Speaker 8 (01:58:41):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
You know what. I'm not gonna say San Antonio was
the better team because I just think number one Oklahoma
City was banged up. But I will tell you the
playoffs as a whole, in that Western Conference playoff situation,
there's only really one good game, and that was the
first game, which was a double overtime game. Other than that,
it was sort of lopsided games that were almost like
all of them double digit scoring to win or lose.

(01:59:05):
In those games, I'm not going to put a blame
on anyone that were well played to some extent. But again,
Oklahoma City was not at full strength, and if they
would have been, we'll see what have happened. But they
did lose at home. That's big when you lose it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
Yeah, no, it's big.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Look, I blame them for not being able to get
it downe ultimately falls on everybody. SGA played terrific, but
the entire team let them down. This was not the
same team that had played throughout the regular season. They
didn't play with the same energy and intensity and execution.

Speaker 3 (01:59:33):
That's why they're out.

Speaker 8 (01:59:35):
All right.

Speaker 11 (01:59:35):
And last one here Waukee twenty twenty five. The word
of the year, according to dictionary dot Com, was six seven.

Speaker 8 (01:59:44):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Look, I blamed the young people who have made it very,
very popular. That's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
They've made that super popular and it continues to be
one of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
I think. It's crazy. Think why would they make that
the word of the year. Okay, honoring sixty seven a
slang term that's been loved by kids, and it's killing
teachers and adults like myself and maybe even Bucky. We
have no idea. I scratched my head when I hear that.
I guess it's from that song, Well, dude, sixty seven,

(02:00:16):
I don't know, by the rapper in Philadelphia. I just
don't know. But get it out of there. I don't know.
All right, Bucky, you have a great week. Everybody here,
have a great week. Countdown's coming up next right here
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
Stick with him.

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