Brian Noe & Ephraim Salaam Debate Racism In the NFL

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports. Oh what's going on everybody?
Hope you're enjoying your Saturday evening. Man, I'll tell you what,
big man. This Duke North Carolina game starting to get in.
Ted's over here, Duke, He's got off to a big lead,
throw up by eleven heading into halftime. I will admit
it feels a little clunky. This is the first Saturday

(00:23):
without ball to talk about. Huh. We're talking hoops over here.
We're making the transition as we ramp up towards Super
Bowl Sunday. How's everything going in your world? Though? Good man,
I just uh, you know, I just you know, I'm
a little tired. So I needed it like a little
pick me up, like a sugar pick me up, you know. Okay, Yeah,

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So I would love to have like a king sized
candy bar to just to really maybe just like boom,
like jump start me into into the show. But I
don't have that. That's a double failed by me because
I thought this was gonna be the week that felt
it in my bones. It would be the week that
I would stop being uh backout artist, you know, a

(01:10):
welch whatever you wanna call me for not paying up
promptly from our year long you don't care that it
didn't quite work out. And then the double whammy is
we've done a show for a long time. I've gotten
to know you pretty well, and I should have seen
that from a mile away, and I'm thinking, what did
you stop at Starbucks? Did you have some coffee? Like?

(01:31):
What did you have to pick yourself up and get
a sugar rush? And of course you're talking candy bar
smack over here. I should have known that was coming. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know what a guy has to do.
I mean the money was good and all, but I
can't eat the money, you know, uh hundred grand candy bar.

(01:52):
Though you could buy a lot of candy bars with
that cash, but I don't want to go buy a
candy bar. Yeah, I would like to eat a candy bar?
Did I one? And for those two joints just joining
the show, Brian No and I we have a wager
something called the Big three where we pick against the

(02:12):
spread all season long, three just for the NFL games only,
and whoever has the best record at the end of
the season. This year, it was one thousand American dollars
and a king size candy bar as I predicted prior
to the final game regular season game of the season,

(02:39):
I would have won the bet although we were even
going into that last those last three picks. I picked
the Sunday night game, and I had made a statement
on the show the day before that i'd probably be
I should be paid before that game even kicks off,
and true reform, that's what happened. The sucky thing is

(03:00):
you were wrong about the Sunday night game too. Didn't
even matter, but it was. It was your fault. I
gave you the out brutal, just awful. You're just reopening
wounds over here, just reopening that we can right if
we don't bandage it right. And the only way to
benges to pay me what you owe me. You know

(03:22):
what I was thinking, this is on my silly mind works.
I think I'm going to address it to you obviously,
and the return address, I think I'm gonna make it
out to like, uh, the forty Niners stadium, and maybe
it gets to Jimmy Garoppolo. You know, if it doesn't
get to you, it goes to Jimmy g because he
could use to pick me up as well as he's

(03:42):
looking for his new team and absolutely stunk up that
joints something fierce last week. I mean, you thought it
was personal personal, It is just the guy comes right
down to the fourth quarter, Jimmy G, can you make
a play? And he says, no, I cannot. And you
should have known that going in. That's what Jimmy Jimmy.

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I was a Jimmy G fan, right, he had it.
Everything he wanted was right there in front of him,
right Like I'm a fan of people who can see
the opportunity in the moment. It was right there in
front of him. He could have not only solidified himself
on the team moving forward, but any team. Yeah. And

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he comemletely, just utterly with the proverbial bed and it
was hard to watch and it was just like, oh God,
but what I will say, I mean it was tremendous
day of football last Sunday. Yeah, And we thought after

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the divisional round, like, man, how is Championship Sunday even
going to come close to similar drama? And it did.
It did. Lows games Chiefs Bengals go into overtime props
to you got who day at them? So you want
to talk about that? Are you? You just want to
jump on the bad aspect of last Sunday for me.

(05:11):
I mean you you know what I mean. You open
the door and you wanted to just braided me because
you feel like you've done it injustice by not paying
me my bet. So you wanted to raise something I
got wrong. So let's talk about the other side. Go ahead,
and and I'll let you continue and go um, well,
you know, putting a cap on the Jimmy G. You're
behind love for a guy has no reason to be

(05:33):
loved the way that you adore him. Fourth quarter against
the Rams, three for nine for thirty yards and the
game ending interception. So awful. Sold, glad I have justin Herbert.
You know. By the way, how about this fourth quarter
and the Super Bowl against the Chiefs. It wasn't just
that overthrow to Emmanuel Sanders that we all remember. Jimmy

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G was three for eleven for thirty six yards and
an interception in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl
loss against the Chiefs. So two of the last three years,
in the fourth quarter when it matters most in the playoffs,
Jimmy G has ben a noshell hasn't got But that's
just one aspect of the storyline. Now, what you got right.

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You were on who to day you called the upset
shades of the Atlanta Falcons heading into Minneapolis and taking
down Randall Cunningham, Randy Moss and company. I think there
are some similarities with this Bengals team to your ninety
eight Falcon. It just felt like like we were number one.

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We weren't supposed to be there, so we were just
winning and sneaking up on people. Nobody really took a series.
We had a bunch of you know, uh, like an
island of misfit toy soldiers or something like that. It
just was a hodgepodge of late round draft pigs, and
our one stood who you know rightfully, so was Bob Whitffle.

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He had one eye like you couldn't see he can
even see out of his his uh, his left eye.
Like it was just why is this team even here?
We were young, we were hungry, we believed in ourselves,
and watching Cincinnati, especially the last portion of the season
and into the playoffs, I was like, Oh, these guys, Oh,
they don't care, they don't even know that they're not

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supposed to be doing this. They just their response to
smoking Joe Burrow like lo was my favorite. He's replaced
Jimmy G completely. No more Jimmy G. Love is all
uh smoking Joe now he's still He's still my guy, um.
And and it just the way I felt about them

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going into that game. I was like, you know what,
it's no way that should win this game on the
road in Kansas City. I've been there. Tough place to play,
no matter how many years you've been in the league.
It's a tough place to play. Patrick Mahomes all of
the weapons, the defense, I said, But they don't know

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or care about any of that. They really don't. They
don't care about the noise, they don't care about who's
lined up on the other side. They're just out there playing,
having a good time, playing for each other. And they're
just young enough and ignorant enough to not realize the
magnitude of that game. And ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah,

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there's some truth of that in football as well. And man,
what a performance down them a chance at the time.
You know, you saw it happen like the second quarter,
and I called it. I was with my brother watching
the game, and uh, it was three going into the half,

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and well, they scored that touchdown, which was the same
deficit in the regular season. That's crazy and uh casey
had the ball and they had an opportunity to put
more points on the board. And I looked at my
brother and I was like, man, I'll tell you what,

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if they don't score, if they can keep them from scoring,
then this is going to be a different story. In
the second half, something similar happened to us, and when
they held them, they went for that bone head play
and ended the half. Kansas City. I was like, watch

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the second half is gonna be different. He was like,
you really think so? Right out the gate they come
out score eleven points quick in in the third quarter
and I was like, okay, now we got action. And
then you know what I mean now now the tables
of turn the crowd was quiet. I remember what that
felt like. I remember you could hear a pin In Minnesota.
Prior to the pin dropping, they were selling Super Bowl bundles.

(10:06):
Uh at the stadium, come to concourse, see for your
super Bowl packages and flights and and and in the
hotels they were doing that. During the game, they had
papers printed out saying vikings to the Super Bowl, and
we were like, wow, they really think this is is
it's over, And just like Minnesota did, they just put

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their heads down and got it done. And I was
I was proud of him, and I was like, No,
that's what That's what it's all. That's what playing the
game is all about. You know. I'm kind of curious
also how Cincinnati is wired, because, um, when Cincinnati beat
Case at Soulfi Stadium, both Niner fans and Rams fans

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are going nuts. They're thinking, if we win this NFC championship,
we got it, We're good to go. And when you
saw Jimmy g throw the pick that ruined any chance
the Niners had coming back in that game, you saw
Aaron Donald to the fans point to his ring finger
like time for a ring baby? Is he doing that

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if Kansas City is the opponent? And I don't think
so either, So I wonder how Cincinnati is wired. They
seem to be like the lead of Joe Burrow is
we're really good, right, Like we're not some Johnny come lately.
So I don't know if they take that as motivation
or they just tune it out. I really don't know

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how Cincinnati takes any of that stuff. And the thing
is um and I found out this later. Of course. Uh.
Shannon Sharp a good friend of mine, we played together
in Denver, but prior to me getting to Denver, they
were watching the NFC Championship game and when we beat uh,
when we beat um A Minnesota, they were like, oh,

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we at this. They just they knew right, they were like, oh,
we got this, We're about to win the Super That
what they didn't want to see as Minnesota, that offense
Randy Moss, they didn't want to see that because at
the time was that it was the greatest offense ever
in the history of the NFL, put up more points
than anybody. They actually have miked up footage of Mike

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Shanahan and he's like Atlanta one, Atlanta one right there, Abe,
and so you know that, Yeah, that's some Those are
the sentiments that nobody wanted to play. Patrick Mahomes. It's
just too many weapons, it's just too much, too much history.

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You had, you had too much veteran talent who've been
in the biggest game. You don't want to play that
that that team. You want to play the upstart. You
want to play the team where the guys on the team.
Jess might not know how important this game is. And
our NFC championship was our Puper Bowl in Atlanta, because

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we definitely didn't show up two weeks later for the
actual super Bowl. And I'm I'm imploring Cincinnati to not
get caught up in the festivities out here in l A.
The parties are because if you listen to those guys
from the back to back Broncos championship teams, they said
that nobody was out. Stink says it all the time,

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Mark Slaith. Nobody went out. Everybody was in sleeping, resting.
It was all business because they knew what they needed
to do because they've been there before. I was everywhere
I was. The super Bowl was in Miami. I had
rented a Hummer. I was everywhere everywhere. I'm gonna have
to ask you a few follow up questions on that one,

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please do. I got plenty of stories. We got a
lot of ground to cover. Uh coming up, I gotta
get to who is the rightful owner of the phrase?
We got action is that you or your brother will
definitely get into that. Also, Um, you know, well the
Bankals this season, will they fall flat in the Super
Bowl like uh, the ninety eight Falcons did right. We'll

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get into that. Obviously, the Brian Flores story has been
the dominant story in the sports world throughout the week.
We'll definitely weigh in with that and also coming up next,
which of these two two teams needs to make the
trade more that's on the way. I'm Brian No, He's
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(15:14):
Sports Radio. So big man we've got the rumor mill
heating up again. In terms of the n B, A
might see the Nets and the seventies sixers talking about
a potential James Harden for Ben Simmons swap, and the
first thing I think about is which team needs to

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make a trade more than the other. How would you
think about that? Do you think it's more pressing for
the Nets with Harden to make a move or do
you think it's Philly with Ben Simmons, who hasn't played
a game yet this season, to make a move. I
would think it's more pressing for um, the Nets. Mhm um,

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I think if they could I mean, their defense is
just I mean, I mean don't really play any defense.
That's what they ran into that problem last year as well. Um.
And if you we've got a lot of ball centric scores,
if you can add a six ten wing defender who

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can guard all positions, a rebounder and can handle the
ball and get people open shots, that will bold well
than a ball dominant another ball dominant guard, which James
Harden is. Oh and by the way, James Harden can't
guard anybody and Ben Simmons can. So when you get
down into these series, these uh seven game playoff series,

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especially not having Kyrie for half of them, it's good.
You're gonna need to play defense because you're not gonna
be in a position to outscore everybody. Yeah, I'm with you.
My reasons are a little bit different, but I'm on
the same page. I think it's more pressing for the
Nets because James Harden can walk after this season. You know,
Ben Simmons is under contract longer then uh, James Harden is.

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So imagine if you go all in, You're like, hey,
we've got k D, We've got Kyrie, we've got James Harden.
Let's put all our eggs in this basket to win
a championship this season, and they don't, and then James
Harden walks, Like that's you can't lose James Harden for nothing.

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And if it isn't working great right now, of course
subject to change. They don't even have Kadi healthy. But
it hasn't worked out great thus far. There's at least
doubt that they'll win a championship this season, and you're
gonna risk all of that, just the potential to win
a championship this season for him to walk. I think
it's it's more important for the Nets to make a
move than it is Philly, and yeah, absolutely in love.

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They can say what they want, but you know there's
some discord there. You know, those guys on the team.
We're looking at Kyrie like, Yo, what is going on? Bro? Yeah,
Like we're in the middle of a playoff hunt and
a championship run. And I mean, I can guarantee you

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Kyrie Irving is not the only person on that team
who didn't want to get vaccinated. Yeah. Um, but when
you play a team sport and you get paid the
way you do to play a team sport, you know
certain things you just got to sacrifice. I'm really curious
what the scenario is when the playoffs roll around, because listen,

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these COVID are vaccine man mandates in these cities like
New York City. They're not gonna last forever. No they don't,
but I don't know if they're hopefully it'll be gone.
I mean that be but can you bet on that?
I mean, we know, right, like that's that's I got

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into an argument with that. I had we call it
a shoe group because we all are love shoes and
all that's of all. Uh seven the eight of us,
and we were always debating about all kinds of topics,
and uh, my, you know, my little brother, I call
him my little brother, has been in my life more
than half of my life. He's a Brooklyn Nets fan.
He's from Brooklyn, He's from New York. Sun talk like

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that b k all day Sun stand up. It was
good Son who that said all of all of the
New York's length. Um Brooklyn Son, right. So I posed
the question, uh after Kyrie came out and was very
adamant about not getting the vaccine period after he came

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back to start playing, and so I posed a question
in the group chat. Can the Nets win a championship
without having Kyrie play the home games? Mhm Mine was no,
h and I equated it too. Do you think the
Bulls would have won championships if Scottie Pippen we're only

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playing road games? Or do you think the Lakers would
have won a championship if, uh, you know Shack was
only playing road games. It's so much pressure already in
the playoffs, and depending on if you have home court advantage.

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If you have home court advantage, that's four games that
your second best player won't be available. For how do
you win a championship like that? Well, I look at
it last year. Let's go back to the playoffs last
year where Kyrie got hurt immediately in that series against
the Bucks, so he hardly played at all in the
entire series. And then you had Harden who was hobbled.

(20:47):
He had the hamstring issue. He missed a number of
games and when he came back was a game five
or he was one for ten from the field, and
he wasn't even very good in Game six either, um so,
and they were right there with the Bucks. They were
like a pinky tow away from k D having a
buzzer beater and that's the series, and the Bucks went

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on to win a championship. So if you look at
last year, Kyrie hardly played in the series against the
Bucks where they got eliminated, and Harden was a shell
of himself due to that hamstring injury, and they still
almost won because KAD was all world, do you get
there again? So if you don't have I'm talking about
the beginning of the playoffs, do you get to that

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level starting the playoffs without your second best player for
possibly half the games. I don't think they can. Yeah,
and I just think of basketball is all about rhythm,
you know, And when you get into the playoffs and
you've got Kyrie for every road game, if this is
the way it works out right, we don't know what

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the mandates are gonna be, but if they only have
Kyrie on the road and then they don't have them
at home, that's a lot to get adjusted you on
the fly. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good for anybody.
And I think the guys are feeling that like that.
We're getting we're getting down to it. All Star Break
coming up shortly, and then you know, the rubber hit

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meets the road right there. That that's when, uh, every
game matters in the NBA. Everything prior to the All
Star Game, we're just trying to work some things out
and see what we got and YadA, YadA, YadA. But
everybody knows. After that All Star Break, guys are refreshed,
they're coming back, and that's when you really gotta, you know,

(22:31):
make a statement and and and head into the playoffs
on an upswing. And it's just difficult when you don't
we don't have your your players. Yeah, listen, there's another
really interesting layer to that potential trade between the the
Nets and the Sixers. But when you talk about interesting layers,
I mean goodness, it's just sitting there on a te right.

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There's no one probably walking planet Earth that has more
interesting layers to him then our very own friend of America,
Mr Steve Sager. Good evening, gentlemen, and a happy weekend
to you once again. There are six NBA games on
the Saturday slate. The Lakers are hosting the Knicks in

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an hour. Lebron James was upgraded to a game time decision.
He has missed the last five games with his swollen knee.
The Lakers, at twenty five and twenty eight, are hosting
the Knicks, who are twenty four and eight, and Carmelo
Anthony is not going to play against the next tonight
due to a strained hamstring. Memphis one again one thirty five,
one fifteen at Orlando, John Moran thirty three points the

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Magic with a record of twelve and forty two. Meanwhile,
the Phoenix Suns are forty one and ten and out
to a lead already late first quarter at Washington thirty
one twenty one Phoenix. This Tuesday, the All Star Saturday
Night participants will be announced. The NBA's trade deadline is
Thursday afternoon, and the two NBA All Star teams will
be drafted this coming Thursday night, drafted by Lebron James

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and Kevin Durrett. The All Star Game at self is
in Cleveland February. The NHL All Star Game was today
in Las Vegas. The Pro Bowl, the NFL's All Star Game,
is right across the freeway in Vegas tomorrow. As for
the hockey today, the Metro Division won the finale five
three over the Central Division game m v P clau
Grue of Philadelphia. Next year's All Star Game will be

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hosted by the Florida Panthers, who were supposed to have
last year's game, but it was canceled. The NHL did
not send players to the Olympics this month after all
of the league's COVID postponements earlier this season. US women's
hockey this morning Our Time shot out Russia five nothing.
The Americans outshot him sixty two to twelve. In the game.
The US play Switzerland tomorrow morning. Stay tuned. The Swiss

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lost their opener to Canada twelve to one. Switzerland got
out shot seventy to fifteen. In that game, seventy shots
in a sixty minute hockey game. Good wow. I've said
it before. I said it on last night's show here.
I I like that women's hockey is in the Olympics.
I watch it, but it you know, it's almost been

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twenty five years now. In the Olympics. There just aren't
that many good teams. There's the US and Canada. And
that's because the team that's been winning a lot of
bronze medals Finland, they said on the when they lost
yet again to Canada head to head this week. They
said they've played Canada eighty five times over the years.
Their record is three and eighty two against that's the

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third best team in the world. Okay, so the time
difference with Beijing. Afternoon here equals morning the next day
over there. Coming up tonight in the Winter Games are
time ten pm Eastern time. Men's downhill. There's also the
figure skating team event continuing and women's snowboard slope style.
And finally, for college basketball on Fox TV, Arizona beat

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USC seventy two to sixty three. Dukes back to a
big lead fifty five thirty five at North Carolina with
about fourteen minutes to go. Eleventh ranked Wisconsin leads forty
forty over Penn State with under six minutes to play
and at Vanderbilt home team leading number twenty five l
s U six with about eleven minutes ago, Kansas had

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no problem beating Baylor. Back to you good stuff, Steve
Brian No and e from salam with you here on
Fox Sports Radio. Minor Beef big Man with Arizona's home
crowd was watching the tail ended that USC Arizona game,
a little back and forth. Arizona nice little comeback at
the end and they pull away. But towards the end
of the game, they played the song jump Around by

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House of Pain, and no one was jumping around, Like
what the hell is that? Arizona, Like, you know how
Dez Bryant used to throw up the X. That's what
the whole student section was doing. Is like they threw
up the X and like one arm was clashing with
the other arm. Instead of jumping around, they were like

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throwing up the X. I have no idea what they're doing.
It's common knowledge, big Man. If you play jump Around,
you jump around, and Arizona is like, no, we do
our own thing. Everybody's student section isn't like San Diego States. Okay,
just you're coming there, man, you know, let's change your mind.
I'm just saying yeah. Um. By the way, one little

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layer here on this potential NETS seventy sixers trade, there
are rumors about discussions with a James Harden for Ben
Simmons swap, and I'm just curious about this. Does Daryl Morey,
who's running the show there with the seventies sixers, does
he go high stakes gambling on us here? Does he say,

(27:36):
wait a minute, why am I trading Ben Simmons and
whoever else is involved in the deal potentially when I
could maybe get James Harden in the off season as
a free agent, and I could trade Ben Simmons to
another team and get a trade package for him elsewhere.
Do you think that Daryl Morey goes down that road
or does he say, hey, I gotta get something for

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Ben Simmons right here, right now, and we can compete
for a championship this season. But it depends on if
he wants to compete for a championship. That's that's that's everything.
If he's content with not winning the championship this year,
then absolutely sit on Ben Simmons, get James Harden, and
get something for Ben Simmons in the off season. But

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if you really want to try to come out of
the East and and and and play for a championship,
then you do whatever you need to do for your
team this year. And that's it. That's the that's that's
the question. Does he want to try to win now
or later? That's it. And whichever he picks will dictate

(28:39):
what moves they make. I think that's really interesting too,
because look, there are no guarantees, that's the first part.
So you don't know for sure. If you say, hey,
let's go with option B, let's not make a trade
right now. Even if we trade for James Harden, our
chances improve greatly to win a championship this season. But
there's no guarantee that we win a championship this season.

(29:02):
But the way Joel Embiat is playing, yeah, and his
history of of of injury, like you don't want to
be hedging your bed like for the future. You. I mean,
he's playing at a tremendous m v P clip right now.
You want to try to do everything you can right
now to help him. I hear you. But the little

(29:24):
devil on your other shoulder, can say, but and there're
no guarantees with this scenario either. What if we wait
to the offseason, then we get James Harden and we
also trade Ben Simmons for a lot, maybe someone who
can help us right here, right now, maybe a top
draft pick who knows what kind of compensation they get back.

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And then you're in even you're in an even more
favorable position next season to go for a championship. You
are you don't know what the landscape of the league
is gonna look like next year. That is a that's
a scenario, right, Yeah, that's that's a heck of a
flip of a coin or roll of the dice. By
the way, the Super Bowl prop bets, there's one here

(30:09):
that is piqued my interest. So it's got the jersey
number of the first touchdown scorer. This is one that
you have every single year. I love this one. So
you can either bet on number eleven or below or
number twelve or higher. I get it right, So initially

(30:29):
I think twelve or higher all day you kid meet,
but then you start thinking you got Jamar. You've got
both number ten's Tyreek Hill and Cooper Cup throwing Odell
beckup three. I'm still going twelve or higher. What about you?
I'm going under. You're going eleven or below. Okay, put

(30:50):
a candy bar on it. I feel like this is
the week I need to pay up so we could
have d bar bets on the Super Bowl. It's only right,
you know. I mean it's the biggest game. I want
to plan the earth. I don't know why you wouldn't
be you know, like, if you owe your bookie money, right,

(31:11):
does he continue to let you? Is he? Is he
going to continue to to to to let you place bets?
How about double or nothing on the Pro Bowl? No? No,
I want my candy bar in handle We get nothing? What?
There is nothing like the walk of shame of having

(31:34):
to meet your bookie in a public place to pay
him the money you owe because of your stupid bets.
Oh it's freaking work. You've had that walk? Huh oh gosh? Yeah,
the only walk was in Albany, New York. That's the
I couldn't bet online for some reason. There was some
sort of restrictions with offshore books and shut your your

(31:55):
account down. I would tell you if they I just
couldn't the State of New York that guy worked with.
He's like, I know this guy. You know you bet
with him if I didn't get it. Yeah, that's the worst.
When the book, he's like, hey, can we meet up? Yeah? Yeah, totally.

(32:15):
Do you remember how much you had to pay him?
I remember him stiffing me for fifteen Yeah, so I lost.
I don't know what I lost, you know, just let's
meet like a few dollars here, a few Scooby snacks there,
you know. I don't know what it ended up being,

(32:36):
but yeah, when I got up and he owed me
fifteen hundred dropped off the face of the freaking earth.
Maybe he's with the fishes man who knows you and
your you and you could be at the bottom of
the Hudson. That's very well, it could be. All right,
come it up next. Wow, things escalated very quickly. We'll

(32:59):
have details for you, Brian know Andy from Salam with
you right here on Fox Sports Radio. Brian No, Andy
from Salam with you here on Fox Sports Radio. So, man,
there was a crazy scenario at the forty Niners Rams
game last week, big man. So there was a little
fight before the game started outside the stadium, and uh,

(33:25):
it was a forty Niners fan, and he's forty years old,
Daniel Luna, and he allegedly pushed somebody else, so that
other fan turns around pushes Luna in the back. When
Luna turns around, the guy who initially got pushed clocks
him in the face, and Luna hits the ground and

(33:48):
hits his head, and now all of a sudden, he's
in a medically induced coma. The guy who threw the
punches has been arrested. He's facing felony assault charges. Scraze scenario.
Man outside the stadium before the game even started. That's nuts, yeah, man,

(34:10):
And it just shows I don't know. I see all
these videos, stupid. I see all these videos of fights
outside the stadium, inside the stadium, and nine times out
of ten, it's a fight, it gets broken up, maybe
it goes viral on social media, and that's it. You
just say, oh, man, Niners fan, he got whipped by

(34:32):
Rams fan or whatever, and that's it. But it's a
story like this, where bro, you're you go into a game,
you get pushed, you clock the guy. Now all of
a sudden, your bail was thirty thousand dollars, you're facing
felony assault charges, you've been arrested, like bro, like those
are the stakes. It's a reminder of it might not

(34:53):
be h it's a little fight that went social on
when a viral online and that's it, right, It can
be a a whole thing, and this is a story
where it is a whole thing. Yeah, you find yourself
in situation where you just people don't how to behave anymore.
They just don't. They don't know how to behave. They

(35:13):
don't have to treat people. And this is the result
of it. You want to go to the game, chow
your team on, have a good time prior to the
game even starting, You're going to jail. That's right. Yeah,
I know, man, man, that's just what what happens. Yeah,
and uh, the mayor has said, no, there aren't plans

(35:36):
to beef up security for the super Bowl. There are
a lot of concerns about it. Is security already beefed
up at the super Bowl? It's not. You know, super
Bowl is not the place where you know the relaxing security.
I can promise you that. That's that's basically what the
mayor said. He was like, yeah, we don't, we don't
need any extra for it. We're we're okay. Yeah, He's like,

(35:56):
we can't prevent everything from happening here, and that's the truth.
I don't know why this happens a lot too. There
might be some goofball that either runs on a football
field or a basketball floor. And the first thing is
where security security can't stop every bad thing from happening.
It's just in people understand. We can't stop every we can't.

(36:21):
It will happen, It'll be done with swiftly. And then
you move on. Yeah, now, big man, you had the
great prediction last week. You took Whoda to get to
the Super Bowl. We talked right after the a f
C titled game and You're like, man, I had to
score and everything. I'm like, oh, it's I'll pull the audio,

(36:41):
you know, we'll highlight your tremendous prediction here. What I said.
What I say it was I think I even had
to score, That's what I said. Okay, alright, I'm glad
that you've set the record straight here because I'm like, oh, man,
we had I was like, I think I even got
the score right, okay, And so I checked him, like,

(37:06):
now again, this is me trying to to prop up
the big man, huh, I'm shining the stage lights on you, right.
You ever see the movie Ray Great movie with Ray
Charles and the guy like Ray Charles is playing his
his ballad or whatever, and and the guy on stage
He's like, let's let's dim the lights a little bit.
Let's right, Like, I'm trying to get them lighting just

(37:28):
right to highlight your correct prediction. And then, uh, this
is how it sounded. Here you go, who you got? Chiefs?
Move on, I'm going with who Day? You got who Day?
Pulling the shock? I'm going I'm riding that one. How
about a score here, I'm writing this down. What do
you think? I think it be thirty? Okay? It was

(37:55):
almost there, man, right there, you're right there right there,
that touchdown from who Day and over time? That's it. Okay,
Look and I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Yeah that was right. Look. Hey man, you're something something
doing right here. Okay, yeah, you're right there. By the way,

(38:16):
did you see that there was a better I think
he had a twenty free roll, like a free bet,
and he predicted the exact score of both games on
championships like on the nose, and I he won. I'm
just under sixty dollars for doing that. Roll free roll

(38:41):
turned into just under sixty dollars. Wow, think about time
machines do exist. Think about Jaikwaski Tart dropping that easy interception.
I feel that was the game. Yeah, that was a game,

(39:01):
but that game is probably not on the nose rams
win if Tart just makes that one play. Oh it
was right in his hands. Oh man, that's rough. That's rough. Hey,
we've got time to preview the Super Bowl. Of course,
we'll do it even more next week. But real fast,

(39:22):
do you see the Bengals mimicking the Falcons who you
were a member of even more? They pulled the shocker
on Championship Sunday like your team did, and then it
didn't work out in the Super Bowl for your team.
Do you think the Bengals still have something left in
the tank to win the I do because they're young
at all of the positions, including the quarterback, and so

(39:48):
they're writing their stories. Now. Our quarterback was adding to
his story. It was a mythical year and uh, you know,
somewhat journeyman career for Chandler. Their leader is a kid
mm hmm, And that's gonna give him a fighting chance. Okay, alright,

(40:09):
coming up next, it's the biggest story of the week,
could also turn into the biggest story of the year.
We'll have it for you. Oh what's going on everybody.
I hope you're enjoying your Saturday evening. Lots of hoops
going on. Lebron James, he's back high, Purple and Gold.
Need him, big man. You need some wins over there. See,

(40:33):
we need everything. We need you and your sharp shooting's
done a rough go for the Lake show here man.
Not good, not good. So we'll be a welcomed addition
to get LBJ back in uniform for the Purple and
Gold as they've taken on the Knicks. That games tipping
off here pretty soon. Yeah, a little NBA action Saturday

(40:56):
night hoops. Very nice, looking forward to that now, the
uh The biggest story of the week has been Brian Flores,
the former head coach of the Miami Dolphins. He filed
a lawsuit suing the NFL and multiple NFL teams for
what he says his racial discrimination. And there are a

(41:19):
lot of layers to this story. You can go in
a lot of different directions, but if you start broad what,
big Man, is your reaction to what's happened this week? Where,
first off, you know, on the heels of Brian Flores
getting fired initially from Miami Dolphins, he gets a text
message from Bill Belichick, who is congratulating him on landing

(41:43):
the Giants job, and he's like, yeah, coach, I interview
in a couple of days. I think you got a
really good shot at It turns out Belichick screwed up.
He was meaning to congratulate Brian Dable, which means that
it might have been a sham interview that Brian Flores
went on with the Giants later in the week. Then
later Brian Flores files this lawsuit. What's your reaction on

(42:07):
a I guess a macro level to all that's played
out this week. Well, you know, this is uh something
that has been a problem in the NFL quite some time,
that's plagued the NFL. It's hiring practices. Um, it's just

(42:30):
this lawsuit and and the text message from Belichick. It
just re confirms what people already thought that the running
rule it was just posturing. And the running rule is
that you have to give and you have to interview

(42:51):
and give minority applicants and a fair shot at this hiring.
So the Giants interviewed Brian day Ball and prior to
Brian flores Is interview, alleged they allegedly had already offered

(43:12):
Brian a Ball the job, but they were gonna go
through with the interview anyway with Brian Flores just because
of the ruining rule. We gotta do it, but have
no intentions in hiring whatsoever. And that's embarrassing and it's insulting.
HM and minority coaches have to deal with this every year.

(43:34):
It's something that it's not made up, it's not old. Yeah,
just just angry. It's not that, it's it's the real thing.
And whenever you have a lack of diversity at the top,
at the tippy top meaning ownership, these are older white
billionaires sixties seventy eight. What was the country like eighty

(44:01):
years ago, sixty years ago, seventy years ago? Right? Was
how and the and the companies prior to them owning
nfl UH teams, was there a lot of diversity and
higher levels in those companies. So this is not like
something that's this is oh, this is new that these

(44:24):
men have run successful companies bought teams, and they're running
their company their team just like they ran the company
prior to the team. You hire what you know and
who you know and who you're comfortable with, and you
would think, wow, I shouldn't. I shouldn't. Shouldn't matter in sports,

(44:46):
right because it's like who's the best candidate and that
if you don't, if you've never thought about it, which
I'm sure they never have, if you never thought about diversity,
and and if it's a problem or not in your
any of your companies are your team, why would you
ever address it? Mm hmm Yeah, I mean, listen the

(45:11):
first part of the Rooney rule. I think it's it's
messed up that there even needs to be a rule
to begin with, where it's mandatory, right, Like, that's how
bad the problem was. I know, that's how bad it
was prior. Did you just African American applicants wouldn't get
an interview? Right? So? I think, yeah, I think that

(45:34):
the rule it has good intentions, there's no doubt about it,
but sometimes it produces a bad outcome. I don't think
there's anything bad at all with the rules saying Yo,
this is messed up. You're not even interviewing minority candidates,
you at least need to do that, and so teams
are doing that, but sometimes it turns into this box
that just has to be checked in a formality where

(45:57):
a team knows who they're going to hire and they
go through ru with a sham interview that turns out
to be very disrespectful. So I think it's a rule
with good intentions that sometimes has a bad outcome. It does.
And and um, um, what's our guy who got the
Denver job? Nathaniel Nathaniel? Yes, yeah, why did he get
the Denver job? Because of what? Well? I mean, listen,

(46:20):
they had a lot of success in Green Bay. I'm saying,
did he know anyone at the Denver broncos Well, I'm
sure he had some connections. Well, yeah, him and the
gym have a connection. Yeah, Well that happens a lot.
But that's what I'm saying. So there's like a lack

(46:42):
of diversity then the connections. You see what I'm saying. No,
I see there's a lack of connections the other way,
I get it, right, So, yeah, people are hiring the
people they know and their their friends. That's what that's
what it starts with the owners. They're gonna hire the

(47:04):
GM that they want. Mhm right, I'll call so and
soon it was gonna okay, we'll bring him on over here.
This is what happens. This is That's why I used
to give it's a good old boy leave because it's like, oh, yeah,
I know him, come on to bring come over here,
while other applicants are just like, uh, no room for us,

(47:24):
right not here. What you're saying, let me throw something
at you. I'm curious what you think about this, because look,
let's start with first things. First. To have one black
head coach in a league that's predominantly black black, it's
it has to be higher than that. It just has
there are And it's not saying like there's nobody qualified

(47:46):
and we just have to for pr reasons have some
more black head coaches. There are guys that are plenty
well qualified. Okay, so they have one black head coach
is a joke, There's no doubt. The only reason they
have that one black head coach and Mike Tomlin at
the Steelers, the Steelers have had three coaches and the
entirety of the organization. Mike Tomlin was promoted from within.

(48:11):
He interviewed they were looking at someone else. He interviewed,
blew him away, he got the job. He's he's the
last man, Sandy Well. However it came about, you know,
it's it's a joke that there's only one guy. But
as part of the lawsuit from Brian Flores and his
legal team, there's a part in it that says the

(48:32):
NFL remains rife with racism. And that line just stands
out to me where I can, on one hand, say
and notice that only having one black head coach and
a predominantly black league is it's crazy, It doesn't add up.
But for it to be like the only explanation is

(48:53):
that the NFL is rife with racism, I just totally
disagree with that. And I think if you go with
this current coaching cycle, if you go team by team,
could you point to other reasons other than potential racism
as to why these coaches have gotten hired. Of course,

(49:14):
of course you can. So you can also can point
to the fact that there's a race component involved, just
like you can point to oh they know each other, Oh, oh,
he he was with him there and he feels comfortable
with him. There's also the argument on the flip side

(49:35):
of that. Absolutely, So let that from someone who's on
the inside, which blind Brian Flores was who, um, Hugh
Jack's all of these guys who are on the inside,
who who are privy to things that we aren't and
conversations that we aren't. Right, I don't want to discount

(49:57):
what they're saying because it's happened to them and their contemporaries.
So on the out us on the outside looking at it.
But that's impossible. It can't be like that. I can't.
But the people on the inside are like, oh no, brother,
it is like that, you remember one more thing? Be

(50:17):
I know, I don't want to you know, I know
you want to get in, but I'm gonna ask you this.
There have been several stories over the years about the draft. Right,
some of the questions that were asked of these African
American athletes, Right, is your mom a prostitute? You smoke weed?
Those are blatant racist comments. Questions they're asking kids though

(50:41):
these are owners and g ms and these are the
people who are are drafting these kids. These are questions
did they've come up? So when all of this is
this is not like, oh, well, you know, why would
you ever ask the kid if his mom was a
prostitute and you want him to play football with for you, Well,
and that's changed. I understand your point, but it has changed.

(51:03):
And that was like the NFL laid down the law
and said, if you ask these questions, we could doc
your drafting. Never came out. What the change have happened? Well,
the change happened regardless or not. Like you can't say that.
You can't say regardless of that because if it never
comes out. Okay, years and years and years of nothing happening,

(51:26):
this coaching thing is coming out. Let's bring it back
to the coaching thing. Okay, Like Chris Greer, the black
GM with the Miami Dolphins, if he hires a black
head coach, which the organization did, it's not automatically racism.
You know that's not the case. And that's what I'm
saying with a lot of Hey, there are organizations that

(51:48):
have white gms and some of those teams have decided
to hire white head coaches. You can't chalk that up
automatically to racism. Let's take another job. Look at the
Jacksonville Jaguars. There's more at play than just race. By
Byron Left which interviews for the job former Jack's quarterback,
and reportedly he said, I don't want to work with

(52:09):
Trent ball Key. I just don't want him to be
the GM and the organization said, well, we don't want
to get rid of him. Now you can argue that
the Jack should have They should have gotten rid of
ball Key, they should have hired Byron Left which okay,
but that isn't automatically racism. There's more I play than
just race. And when they hired Doug Peterson, is there

(52:30):
more than race involved? Yeah, He's won a super Bowl,
he had Carson Wentz is quarterback who played the best football,
was an m v P candidate under Doug Peterson. What's
Nick Foles done outside of Philly? Nothing like? There are
reasons to point to Doug Peterson, who was also a
former quarterback like Left, which who's had success as an
NFL head coach and won a super Bowl. There's more

(52:51):
than just race involved. I think it becomes this lazy, Oh,
the only explanation is racism, and that's just not true.
And and you're looking at is a singular incident. I'm
looking at the overall, right, I'm looking at the history.
I'm looking at the future. I'm looking at the entirety
of the situation, right, because you can have a one off, right,

(53:13):
you can pick the Jacksonville Jaguars and be like, oh,
that's why they didn't hire him, and that that's why
they hired him. But in total m the hiring disparity
and practices of the NFL overwhelmingly have definitely have to
do with race, overwhelmingly because it's there would have been

(53:36):
no Rooney rule, it wouldn't wouldn't even been necessary. Right,
So yes, so that statement is a is a true
statement because the NFL has been trying to correct it.
Did you see what Roger Goodell said today? Right? Yeah,
it came out with the memo and said we're behind
the times, it's gotta be better. What what do you

(53:57):
do that? What do you think that means? That's not him?
There is a serious problem there. So when someone from
the inside makes a statement like that, you gotta listen
to them. You can't discount them because it doesn't feel right. Hey,
I'm not discounting anything. I've started off saying it's a
joke that there's only one black head coach, but to

(54:19):
just chuck everything up, like what So if we go
case by case with the Kansas City Chiefs are racists
for having Andy Reid is their head coach, you know,
like the Rams and their racism with Sean McVeigh and
the Super Bowl, and the Bengals with their racism with
Zach Taylor and the super Bowl. Like that's when it
becomes crazy. But no one's saying it like that. They're

(54:39):
saying there's a serious problem within right, Like these are
all one offs. You can point there and know that racist.
Is that racist? That's not what they're saying systematically. There's
a problem with race and leadership roles in the NFL.
No problem with with with the with the workers, with
the players, no problem there. That's why plantation mentality is

(55:00):
always been used because the workforce is predominantly African American,
but ownership and upper management is white. That's where that
comes from. Yeah, hey, man, I don't I don't know
how things change. Obviously they it can't just be a
complete coincidence. I'm not dumb enough to think that. Um,

(55:21):
but I can't just chug everything up to be like
there's not another explanation other than race. Like when you
say the NFL remains rife with racism. That's literally in
the lawsuit, Like, that's a leap to make that I'm
not willing to make. I can't willing to make that leap. Okay,

(55:44):
say it? What are you saying that? What I'm saying
is I'm not gonna discount something. Right, whether there's smoke,
there's usually fire. It's been smoking for a long time.
Do you think Brian Flores was fired due to race?
I think Brian Flores was fired because he was considered
non compliant and angry black man. Well, which we you know, no,

(56:09):
what don't will it? It's that's the label we get, right,
White guy's passionate, black guy's angry. Well, this is this is,
this is the world, right, it just happens to roll
over into sport. Right. They wanted him to do things
that he didn't want to sacrifice his moral compass to do,
and of course you get rid of that guy. But
why would they even ask him to do that? Well,

(56:29):
let's get into that because that's an important part of
this whole conversation. And is there another example of a
Florries like situation? Right, So we'll dive into that. Um,
if you want to hit us up on Twitter. Feel
free to do so at the No show is where
he can reach me at E from Salam is where
he can reach the Big Man hang with us. Let's

(56:50):
to come, Brian No any from Salam with you here
on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian No, He's he from
Salam here on Fox Sports Radio. Shout out to our
technical producer extraordinaire Mr Don Brown again doesn't let us
down every single week with his eclectic ways with the
bumper music. Outstanding job as always. Got a tweet here,

(57:12):
big Man, I wanted to share with you Before we
dive back into the Flora's conversation, Jason checked in and says,
I hope you at least rented a Limo version. Can't
wait to hear the story. He's got a picture of
this stretch. I think Hummer Limo because you mentioned in
passing and we need to circle back to this thing
that you rented a Hummer back during Super Bowl week

(57:33):
when you were playing as a member of the Atlanta Falcons.
Can you share some details on this story with us? Yeah,
I mean as soon as I got off the plane,
we went to the hotel, I took a cab right
to the like luxury car rental place and rented a
black one hummer. Kin you can take not a hard tip,

(57:54):
you can take the top off, and uh that was
my right for for the week for the super Bowl
festivities down in Miami. Unbelievable. Yeah, did it right, smoothly?
I mean, who cared about how it wrote? I just know, Uh,
on Ocean Boulevard, it's just the main strip down there.

(58:17):
It was like bumping. It took you probably an hour
and a half to go a block. It was something
about that hummer in the beach in the weather that
made made heads turn. Huh what all I mean? You know,
you know it's I to be young again. I was

(58:38):
twenty one years old when I was a kid one
years old at the Super Bowl renting the luxury hummer
in Miami. I was the youngest player I was starting
the Super Bowl at the time. Who has since been younger?
Who knows? I don't know. I mean that was twenty
years ago, years ago. Yeah, oh hey man, God bless

(59:02):
you on that one. Yeah. I got pictures and all
kinds of stuff. I've burned all the other every thence
though all of it's gone. Yeah, you know, I'm I've
moved on. I've grown, I have children. It's a previous life, yeah,
but it was a head of a ride. I can
tell you that. Thank God for no social media and
no cell phones. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, real fast

(59:25):
before we hear from a friend of America. Um, and
we'll get back into the floor. It's right after the update,
but real quick, well we have a minute. I go
back to the Super Bowl prop bets. I love this
prop bet. Will a player do the gritty after scoring
a touchdown? And for people who don't know that, it's
just a little dance. I don't know, you kind of like, uh,

(59:45):
you know, going he'll, he'll, he'll, you know, just kind
of walking along on your heels at a little bit
right there. Does anybody do the gritty after scoring a touchdown?
On Super Bowl Sun? Course? Yeah? I think that's an
easy Yes. I don't like that. C j Uzama the
bank is tight end is banged up, he's he's questionable
to play in the game, and he busted out one

(01:00:05):
of the most memorable gritties of the entire season. You know,
So if you Zama's a go, I think your odds
are even better of it being yes, do you I mean,
everybody's gonna do it. The other team's gonna score and
do it to the team to write like it, so
there's a good chance it happens. There's like a retaliatory gritty.
Is that what you're saying? Oh yeah, when we used

(01:00:26):
to play and we had the dirty bird going, people
would do it, and sure, oh yeah that was I
still see that. They still like rival teams. The Falcons
will bust out the dirty bird, like in your face.
How do you like that? Touchdown? It's still a thing today.
Crazy all right? Speaking of the here and now, there

(01:00:47):
was a man who is Mr here and now. I
don't know if you want to take the baton from
here and just close it down in style. I mean, well,
we got a guy who uh as an intricate part
of this team, a guy who you know, he doesn't
have to worry about the gritty, the diddy, the kitty
chitty bang bang. That's very good news for me. Are

(01:01:10):
any other dance because the dance he does is one
of a kind. He's a dancing Ladies and gentlemen, this
is Stephen d Thank you. Let's get to the NBA
scoreboard and the Phoenix Suns are up seventy four forty
two at Washington late in the third quarter. I'll just

(01:01:31):
call that game. I know not all the prestincts are reporting,
but let's say the Sons are gonna advance to forty
two and ten on the season. Steve, we need the
Wizards to not hit sixty by the end of the
third quarter for an end game. Third quarterbacks very odd
in game. Somebody must have done a lot of research.
They just can't freaking scar Let's take advantage of this

(01:01:53):
over here. You know, Sons are first in the West.
This will put him two and a half games up
on idle Golden State. The Lakers home game starts up
in just a few minutes against New York and Lebron
James will start for l A's missed the last five
games with the swollen knee. Carmelo Anthony is out for
the Lakers with a strain hamstring. Memphis one again one
thirty five, one fifteen at Orlando. The Miami Heat or

(01:02:15):
second in the East. Half game up on idle Chicago.
Miami leads fifty eight fifty five at the Hornets mid
third quarter. There are two late games, let's call them
ten PM Eastern games. Coming up, NHL All Star Game
was in Vegas, went to the Metro Division. The NFL's
Pro Bowl is tomorrow in Vegas. As for college basketball
in progress, it's Alabama head of fifth rank Kentucky fourteen

(01:02:38):
eleven after the first nine minutes. Duke was playing at
North Carolina tonight. Duke after ten minutes, led thirty one
to eight. Blue Devils eventually shot fifty eight percent from
the floor in the game. Ninth rank Duke wins at
Carolina eighty seven to sixty seven. Kansas dominated its top
ten matchup against defending champ Baylor eighty three to fifty
nine on Fox TV. Seventh ranked Arizona State undefeated at home,

(01:03:02):
beating nineteen ranked USC seventy two to sixty three. Wins
for Auburn with a late layup for Perdue and Wisconsin.
In fact, that Wisconsin game at halftime was eighteen thirteen
over Penn State. That's a halftime score, people. Wisconsin wins
the game fifty one to forty nine. Villanova down Yukon
and Rutger's gotta win against thirteenth rank Michigan State eighty

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four to sixty three. And there is an update on
the story you referenced earlier. Is the family of that
forty Niners fan who suffered the brain injury after being
punched outside the Ram Stadium last weekend. They released a
statement saying that Daniel Luna is an intensive care after
undergoing surgery yesterday to relieve pressure on the right side
of his head and quote, we know he has a

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long road ahead of him. He is forty years old.
The family thanked the paramedics who found him in the
parking lot. They thank law enforcement investigating. We should add
that he was found in the parking lot after the
game had started, maybe a half hour into the game. Actually,
back to you. A lot of questions with that, right,
Like as if, as the mayor of Englewood says, he

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was mostly around other fans. I was the guy just
laughed like it's game time, guys. Let's roll Like, what
is that you're saying? The altercation lasted five seconds, He
hit his head and nobody did anything. That's humanity, man,
Where is the humanity? Yeah? I don't know. I have
no idea how Brian though, he's he from salam here

(01:04:29):
on Fox Sports Radio, so we've been talking about Brian Flores,
among other things, Big man, and you were starting to
talk about how sometimes a guy like Flores, I see
a guy the way he he managed himself in Miami,
I see strength. I see a guy according to him,
where if management ownership comes over and says, hey, to

(01:04:52):
give you a hundred thousand dollars a pop for every
loss so we can have a higher draft pick, and
he's like, no, we're trying to win games. I think
that that's a strong move by Brian Flores. But from
your point, not everybody sees it the same way. And
sometimes you see him as an angry guy instead of
a strong guy, because now it's he you know, he's

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he's he's unapproachable, right, he doesn't work well with other
Like if you're asking me, i'm a I'm an African
American head coach number one. I know how difficult it
is to even get this job, let alone keep it,
and you're asking me to lose games. Like those two

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things don't go together. The last two seasons he's had
a winning record, they still fired him. So you're asking
me to lose games. You'll give me some money, But
I'm I'm a coach. I have integrity. That's what this
is about. Like coaches don't get in it for draft picks.

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They don't get in it for that. That's a GM owner.
They don't get into the game for to coach in
the game for draft picks. And if you're asked to
do something like that and you refuse to do it, oh,
you're not on the same page. Were we? We We can't.
We can't do anything with him. But those guys out

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there in Miami played extremely hard to coach Flores years
all three I'm talking about we we talked about it.
Can'tide on the show because Miami is your team. They've
never had a quarterback yeah, and a quarterbacks league. Brian
Flores wanted to get Deshaun whatever like. So if you're

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constantly saying, hey, this will be an upgrade, this can
help us whenever the situation is when it works itself out,
when he hits the field for us, this is an
immediate upgrade. And no one's listening. And then they tell
you to take games, You're like, what what was? I'm
here to win. I'm here to win and get the
best out of my team that I can. And when

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you don't comply with with those orders, oh he see,
we came in he's unmanageable. Well yeah, listen, I think
that Flora's is getting a raw deal in many ways.
I think, first getting fired from Miami, he had winning
seasons the last two years without quarterback, Like there are

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a lot of teams. Look, the Dolphins won ten games
two years ago, right, so heading into this past season,
they had high expectations. They get off to a terrible
start one in seven. A lot of teams were just
thrown in the towel, and the Dolphins didn't. They played
hard the whole time. They go in a seven game
win streak, they all of a sudden are in playoff contention.
So no one can question how hard the Dolphins played

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under Flores. And that speaks to his ability to motivate
a team. And so you locked in, right, so what
what what? It's obviously I mean, what he was able
to do with that team, that's not the reason he
was fired. I mean, because it can't be because you
don't be like, okay, well, I mean we're pretty much
a dumpster fire over here, and he still managed to

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make us right. I think it speaks more to ownership
and management than it does to Flores the fact that
they ran him out of town. And look, we've we've
seen this before. I've mentioned it with the St. Louis Cardinals. Right,
it's not a race thing. Where Mike Schilt, he was
a nl Manager of the Year candidate. They want a

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bunch of games, they want on this hot street, got
into the playoffs, gave the Dodgers a tough time, and
he's had of a job. The next thing you knew,
and it was philosophical differences. We've seen this with Jim
Harbaugh with the forty Niners. The forty Niners wanted to
run him out of town. Out of four years, he
made the NFC title Game three times in a row,
they had a Super Bowl appearance. But because Jim Harbaughs

(01:08:58):
maybe a little off around the edges or he's not
the easiest to get along with, the Nighters wanted to
run him out of town. But this happened before. Other
people have gotten road deals. But we know that the
difference is and and this is when the race comes
into play. Jim Harball is gonna get We know he's
gonna get another job, any job. We know that. We

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know that. We know it for a fact that he
can get another job if he wants to come back
to the NFL. He can come back to the NFL.
We know that of Michigan Top ten school, whatever whatever
that is. We know that the disparagery and the job
opportunities for African American coaches are so small, and that
needs to change. I'm with you on but that's the point, right, Like, Yeah,

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Jim Hardwall can rub people the wrong way, but that
doesn't matter because we know he'll be able to get
a job. Someone of color rubs someone in the wrong look,
you can sigh, and you can do that if you
want to be. But the fact of the matter is
that when you look at some of the practices and
some of the things that have gone on in the NFL,

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just because the players are African American and they make
a bunch of money doesn't mean that there isn't racism
within the organizations. And and and I'll do you want
even more right, the NFL just came out of and
admitted not too long ago that there was a racial
bias when it came to diagnosing players with brain injuries.

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Are the one delict at all of these things, there
was a racial bias to them, right, Like, there's there
there there's so many things like that no one would
ever think about, are never never even know about because
they wouldn't They didn't come out. But this has been
going on for decades. Okay, listen, the reason I'm sighing

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is because it turns into Jim Harbaugh can get a
job whenever he wants. He was just with the Vikings
and they said no thanks. Like, there are plenty of
teams this Jim Harball having a forty four nineteen and
one record three NFC title game appearances in his four
years in the NFL. There are many teams that won't
even interview the guy because they don't think that he

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can get along with people. Right, So, like this idea
of Jim Harbaugh can just get whatever he would know,
he can't. That's just not true. And I don't want
you to just hyper focus on just Jim Harball. I'm
just talking about white applicants, black applicants in general. Right.
David Culley, the the Texans head coach who got fired

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after a year, wasn't according to twenty seven years twenty
seven years. The thing is when you become an assistant
and you stay that for so long, then people of
the narrative for us is oh, he's not ready to

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to run a team. But the opportunities to run a
team are very few and far in between. So you
get caught up in this vicious cycle of I'm doing
something you love, wanting an opportunity, and it's just not
coming for you. So you stay on this wheel. You
stay on this wheel, you stay on his were watching

(01:12:20):
Eric Bienimy, Eric Biennimy. He's on his wheel. He's on
his wheel. He's running on this wheel. Look, this has happened.
Dennis Green, who was really good NFL head, tremendous head coach,
he had a chapter in a book he wrote, I
believe called ghost Chasing, and he got to a point
where he's being interviewed for jobs, interviewed for jobs, and
it would never come. And it just felt like he

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was chasing something that would never happen. And it was
long overdue that Dennis Screen got an opportunity. It's happened.
There have been many instances. I'm not gonna be gonna
bury my head in the sand and be like, there's
not a racial component at all to any of this stuff.
Of course there is. We'd have more than one black
head coach if if that wasn't the case, you know.

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But I just can't chalk up everything too. It's not everything.
It's enough though, Yeah, it's enough. The lack of hiring
of African Americans GMS and coaches, that's a racial that's
a that's a racial problem. It is. It's more more
more than enough qualified candidates just doesn't happen. Look at
all the code. No coaches of color have been hired.

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Me as we're going through, as we're going through the lawsuit,
like no team would just like, well, I don't want
to be involved in let me let me just get
one or nothing. I swear and this isn't too, you know,
I swear the NFL they must be hitting up the
Saints like hey the enemy, huh? Like you think and
think about and people are pointing out Roger, Roger Goodell,

(01:13:48):
it's not it's not him. Roger doesn't hire anybody. I know.
This is an ownership thing. He came out up and
spoke about the disparaging and and and then something needs
to change, right if it were up to him, he
would change it, of course he's but he he has
a Roger Condell has a boss. The only people who

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don't work for anyone are the owners. That's right, that's right,
and they're the ultimate decision makers. There's no doubt about it.
All right, plenty more to get to top of the hour.
I want to get to, uh, you know, something that
seems more sinister than it actually is. But let's shift
gears on this. I don't know why it's hard for
some people to come to a realization about this specific player.

(01:14:35):
I'm Brian though he's he from Salam. This is Fox
Sports Radio, Brian, noany from Salam with you here on
Fox Sports Radio. A little bit of excitement. Lebron's back right,
missed what five games in a row, but back with
that from that knee injury, and right out of the gate,
Nick's led nine nothing. It's like yeah, first minute and

(01:14:59):
a half and uh it didn't go great, but uh yeah,
we're at nineteen six right now, very early, going very
good at home, though, Like I'm like, are they that old? What?
They don't even get up for games anymore? Like, I'm like,
what is going on man here? Playing basketball? They're just
letting this fast breaks all kinds of stuff. Yeah, wide

(01:15:21):
open shots, Where's where's the defense? It's not pretty. It's disappointing. Man,
it's it's really hard to watch it bothers me. It's
been a trying season as a Laker fan. I can
tell I know it's it's been stressful. You're not about
this Guy's are wide open. It's like the effort. Now.
I know that you've done some fill in shows with

(01:15:41):
both Chris Brussard and Rob Parker, great dudes, absolutely awesome guys.
And I Heart Radio puts together a newsletter so they'll
compile some clips from the various shows, and so this
was on Thursday. I believe on the odd couple Chris
and Rob, we're talking about is Brady the best football

(01:16:03):
player of all time? And it's just a little snippet
of that conversation. Check this out. It's hard for me
to look at a quarterback and honestly say it's the
greatest football player whoever play. It just it's a tough call.
And I have a hard time saying Tom Brady is
the best football player. Tom Brady is the best football
player by ten miles. Like nobody has impacted winning more

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than Tom Brady has. He's got all the individual accolades,
all the team's success. I don't know what else you
need to know. He's been the best player at the
most important position. And I don't know why there's such
pushback and reluctance to say he's the best football player,
because when you talk about football player, it's um you're
talking about something more than just passing the football, right,

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are uh catching the football? Are running the football? You're
you're talking about the toughness and and all of those things.
And and normally guys who don't get hit are touched,
it's hard for people to give them those accolades like
you you will say, like Jerry Rice is is is

(01:17:11):
in the argument of our conversation of the greatest football
player Jim Brown, right, Lawrence Taylor's Taylor right, the we
haven't mentioned the quarterback yet, you get what I'm saying. So,
like you know, when you're when you're talking about the
greatest football player, and it's been great quarterbacks in every era.

(01:17:32):
Tom Brady has done something no one's ever do and
no one has done prior to him. Right, But when
you're talking about football player, you're not just talking about
the quarterback because they're kind of like their their own bubble.
Remember when the uh uh there was a players union
and it was a quarterback club. You might be too

(01:17:53):
young to remember that. All the time, like the quarterbacks
were literally under mining every other position and player in
the NFL. There was some video game type stuff too.
The quarterbacks had their own things, so they would do
their own deal, separate from everyone else on on on
the field. And it was called the you know, the

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Quarterbacks Club or whatever it was called. And the players
had the Players Union. So there's always been a division
of of of play. Right, quarterbacks are even more valuable
now because of the rules, the passing, all of these things.

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So when you're asking people their opinion on who the
greatest football player is, then the redican to the hesitant,
I should say, to put a quarterback in that spot
is there, because when you're talking about football, you you
you think about more than just passing the ball, you

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know what you understand like unders. I mean, look, here's
how I think of it. I compare it to the
NFL draft, where it's whoever right. You've got quarterbacks, you've
got left tackles, you got everything under the sun that's
available in the NFL draft. It's up to you to

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prioritize what's going to bring you the most value. Who's
gonna help your team the most? Right, So that's how
I look at it. If we're thinking about all time players,
I don't think of quarterbacks as some different category. Like
I look at all players together and we're saying who
is the most valuable, who has impacted wins and losses

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the most based on what they've done on a football field.
It's Tom Brady. I don't care that he didn't run
a four four forty or bench press five fifty. I
don't care. He's impacted winning the most. He's easily the
best football player of all time. Not easily easily. I
understand your argument, but not easily. Oh it's not as

(01:20:03):
sinister as it might seem. That's on the way. Yes,
Happy Saturday evening to you. I hope you're having a
fantastic day. You know the truth, big man. You mentioned
this at the very beginning of the show where you
were watching the a f C Championship game last week
with your brother. You might have seen him both. I'm

(01:20:24):
not sure, but you did see both. You were watching
the Bengals and the Chiefs, and your brother leaned over
at one moment and said, we got action. Now, that
is your catchphrase here on the show that we do together.
It's been this way for years. Was this and e
from salam original saying? Or did it come from your brother?

(01:20:46):
I need to know this? It did of course. Okay,
so is this younger bro, little bro, older brother? Older
bro is mimicking his younger brother to good to know?
Man good? I had to know that. I just had

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to know we got action, baby, Yeah, that's all me.
By the way, are we gonna have action in this
Lakers game tonight trailing by goodness eighteen and the early
going in the first quarter? I hope we get action.
I just you know, you let a team shoot almost
then do you get what you get? Man? Yeah? I
gotta ask you real fast. We'll get to Jim Harbaugh.

(01:21:30):
You can't trust this guy at all. We'll get to
that in a second. But, um, what drives you craziest
in basketball? I know there are a couple of things, right.
You hate turnovers, You hate a fast break, that fast
break that turns into a three point attempt when it's
like three on one, that drives you crazy? Is there
anything else on the list? Just shoddy defense that drives

(01:21:52):
you crazy? Effort? Effort, I can't take it because you
can't play it without effort. So, you know, the lack
of effort on the especially on the defensive end, it's
just unbearable. Yeah, it's unbearable. One minor thing that I dislike.
I dislike the T shirt underneath. Yeah, I never with

(01:22:14):
that T shirt. Guy like Anthony Davis looks kind of cool.
Not everybody can pull that off. You know some people
that look as cool as a d with the he's
kind of got the dry fit under arm or stress
like the Stanley John The floppy shirt looks freaking terrible,

(01:22:39):
looks bad. That's a good look. It's not at all.
We weren't allowed in high school. Weren't allowed to wear those, uh,
the floppy T shirts, the T shirts under our jersey's. Yeah,
I'm glad it was outlawed. They're like, no, we're not
doing that. That makes zero sense playing basketball. Ad. By

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the way, our guy Jim Harbaugh over here, he interviewed
for the Vikings job, wasn't offered the gig, and now
he comes back to Michigan and it is straight damage
control over here, and he's like that was one time thing.
Not interested in the NFL anymore. It's like that's what
he has to do for recruiting purposes. I don't know

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anyone with half a brain that would believe that, though.
Why would you ever believe that from Harbaugh? I don't know.
I mean, I really don't. You know, it's going to
be what is gonna be. He's going if another opportunity arises,
he'll be on that opportunity as well. Yeah, Michigan, they

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we're gonna win any recruiting wars. Anyway. It's crazy too
because van these coaches. It was just after the Georgia
loss in the College Football Playoff. You'll remember this. Jim
Harbaugh was like, oh, this is the beginning. This does
and feel like the end. This feels like we're just
getting started over here. And then the next thing you know,

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he's he's interviewing for the Vikings gig and reportedly telling
some Michigan recruits like, hey, man, if it's offered, I'm
I'm outie, I'm out of here man. And and now
he didn't get the job, and its damage control because
he knows he knows the ballgame. Hey, if you're one
of these other Big ten head coaches, how could you
not tell a recruit? Why would you go to Michigan.

(01:24:26):
This dude's gonna bounce any time, now, you know. So
Jim Harbaugh, he's just trying to to fix his own
mess here. Are you surprised that the Vikings didn't offer
him the gig? Um? Yeah? I am? Actually yeah, yeah,
I thought. Uh, I thought for sure that they would,
you know, all from the gig. I thought, you know,

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maybe the Raiders. M Um. But you know, if you
know who's left, uh, teams are left. We got this Saints,
Texans and Dolphins. If the Saints, you know, went to
Jim Harborne, so we want you, I'm pretty sure you'd

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take it. That's right. So fancy Harball Like nope, what
is it? Uh? Jerry McGuire where the dad says, my
my word is as solid as oak or something like that.
Right you think Harbor is gonna be like nope, I
said it was a one time thing. Sorry, Saints, can't
be your head football coach. There's no chance that would happen. No,

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he's he's gonna get back to he's gonna get back
to the to the NFL. What do you think the
timeline is? I think it's as soon as next year.
Oh really? Wow? Yeah, I mean I don't think, Um,
I think what he accomplished at Michigan, I don't. I
don't know if he'll be able to duplicate that again. Yeah,

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his name was hot after a college football playoff birth.
I don't think he'll be able to duplicate that. I
don't see him beating Ohio State regularly. I don't see him,
you know, playing in a conference championship every year. They
still haven't answer to the quarterback position, uh situation. So
this was kind of like the the one chance and

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I thought for sure, well, I'm sure he would have
left if he was offered to him still maybe offered
to him. Yeah, I think that ship is sailed at
least this year. But we'll see what happens going forward
with what do you What I think is weird is
that the Vikings have to wait until after the Super

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Bowl to name Kevin O'Connell their head coach, Like that's
the report is they're zeroing in on him. It's the
Rams offensive coordinator. Of course, it's another team that wants
the magical Sean McVeigh ferry dust sprinkled on their franchise, right, Um,
but I don't understand why the Vikings would have to

(01:26:59):
wait until after to the Super Bowl. What's up with that?
Why couldn't they just they've already interviewed the guy. Why
can't they name him the head coach? Why do they
have to wait until after this? I don't think they
want to cause any distractions. I think that's I mean,
I think that's the right thing to do. But it's
not up to that, like they have to do this thing.
I can't, That's what I'm saying, Like, I I think, uh,

(01:27:20):
that's the right thing to do in terms of protocol
and all of that. I mean, the Super Bowl is
too big to be worried about something else, right, Because
when you get named the head coach, your responsibility start.
They start, and you know, right, like so when you
head coach, you can't be preparing for the game plan
and doing this and then you worried about yours. You start,
you gotta start hiring your staff. Well, look at Dan

(01:27:43):
Lanning at Georgia, he was the defensive coordinator. He accepted
the job at Oregon and that's before the college football
playoff right there. Then they're taking on Michigan, then they're
facing Alabama in the National Championship Game. I mean, what's
the harm what's the problem with I think it's a
disservice to a coordinator, whether it's uh Raheem Morris, the

(01:28:07):
defensive coordinator with the Rams, or Kevin O'Connell the offensive
coordinator with the same team, the Rams, if it's anybody
from the Bengal staff. I think it's a disservice to
those coordinators who might be hot head coaching candidates where
they can't be named a head coach until after the
Super Bowl. Why are they at a disadvantage? And like,
did the Vikings just called DIBs? What if the Saints

(01:28:29):
come swooping in and they're like, we want Kevin O'Connell
and they offer him something more like? I just I
don't think it's right for the coordinators or the head
coaching candidates that they can't be named until a later date. Yeah, man,
can you imagine that? Can you imagine if some other
team just swooped in and said, no, we want this guy?

(01:28:51):
Why not? Um? The one thing I mentioned, I want
to run something at you, big man, just see how
see what you think about out this? Because I mentioned
that sometimes things aren't as sinister as they might appear.
To be so passing thought I had you tell me
if there's any logic to it, or you think it's
fair or not. So I was thinking about Jim Harbaugh,

(01:29:12):
right He interviews with the Vikings, doesn't get the job,
and for the most part, it's just just a collective
shoulder shrug. Like I guess they didn't offer him the gig.
But what's the reaction if Jim Harbaugh, same scenario unfolds,
But he's not a white guy. He's a black guy,

(01:29:34):
you know what I mean? Like it's taken much differently
and all of a sudden, a guy that made it
to the NFC Championship Game three times. His head coaching
record in the NFL is nineteen and one. He's made
every team better, whether it's the Niners, it's San Diego, Stanford, Michigan.

(01:29:54):
Every team has been better under Jim Harbaugh. And oh,
by the way, he doesn't get the gig, and the
Vikings are zeroing in on Kevin O'Connell, who happens to
be white, has never been a head coach, never been
a play caller. People would be going freaking crazy right now.
And the only point I'm making is sometimes we get

(01:30:15):
off and running saying this is racism, and this is
trying to keep power away from and in the case
of Jim Harbaugh, in reality he's a white guy and
we just shrug our shoulders and it's like, oh, it's
it's something other than race. Is that at least a
fair way to look at the situation. Hasn't had to

(01:30:38):
have to wait? Are be passed over? Are like, it's
the journey, You're we're trying to zero in on the now.
It's the journey, right, what African American coaches and coordinators
have to go through to get the opportunity. That's the problem.

(01:30:58):
That's fair. It's easy to be to go fast forward
to the end, like, well it's happening to him, do it. No,
it's the journey. Like I just said, David Colley was
seven years but you don't you don't think he wanted
to be a head coach at any moment in those
twenty seven years. But the common tie in is this,
sometimes things aren't as sinister as they seem to be,

(01:31:18):
and sometimes they are. Sometimes they're not every freaking time though.
That's the problem I have with if we're just in
the Flora's lawsuits saying the NFL is rife with racism.
But but but but history, like we we can't ignore
the things that have transpired, right, right, they listen, listen

(01:31:41):
to what I'm telling you. Da've denied retired players who
are African American benefits based on a skewed baseline assessment
that they admitted to doing that. That is a problem.
That is racist. That is part of what the NFL did.

(01:32:07):
That not no, not anyone else, There was no there
was no outside entity that came in and did that. Right,
So that there, that's a problem. So justice, that's just
another thing, right, That's just another thing that that stacks

(01:32:27):
up with the other things. So it's not out of
the blue. It's not like you call them racist out
of the blue. People are people. A lot of people
get confused when you see racism. They think slavery. They
think slavery, they think poverty, they think being beaten. That
that's not what we're talking about. Of course they're gonna

(01:32:50):
pay the players, of course they are. But you gotta
remember there was a notion in the NFL that a
black quarterback couldn't get you to the super Bowl because
they didn't have leadership abilities. Right, or we didn't make it.
It was like the position was to advance. We didn't

(01:33:10):
make this up. Yeah, they give you a standardized test
called the Wonderlo Test that is completely racially and no longer.
But you had to take that test to get into
the league, and if you didn't do well on it,
you were considered dumb or ignorant, are not smart enough?

(01:33:33):
Those were the standards that they were measuring players by. Okay,
but we're so far away from half off from we're
talking about it now, right. This is the only point
I'm making. Sometimes things appear to be way more sinister
than they actually are. You know as well as I do.

(01:33:54):
If Hardball is a black guy and gets bypassed by
the Vikings, it's a completely different conversation. And that's what Brian,
that's the point. Yes, that is absolutely correct. It is
a different conversation because there's a history of that conversation. Fair,
but it appears to be this is textbook racism, and

(01:34:16):
the way it actually played out with Hardbaugh, it wasn't
about race. He's a white man. That's why it wasn't
about Because that's what I'm saying is sometimes we're often
running thinking. This is another instance of racism, and it's
actually not like Doug Peterson getting hired by the Jaguars.
Some people think that's racism, it's not like sometimes it's

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not the case. And the only reason I am emphasizing
this is that's damaging when things truly are racist. I
don't want the reaction to be like here we go
again when it actually is textbook racism. Does the NFL
have a diversity as, no doubt about it. Have they
had shown a history of doing things that were completely

(01:35:06):
out of pocket when it came to African Americans? Yes,
absolutely so. Why wouldn't this Why wouldn't this be about
race again? Any of that? It was just like here,
I'll give you an example of the Broncos around the corner, Okay,
because there are a couple of things outside of race

(01:35:26):
that were no doubt considered when they were making the
higher that they made. So we'll dive into that right
around the corner. Brian no E from salam with you.
Hope you're enjoying your Saturday. Keep it locked right here
on Fox Sports Radio. Brian no you see from Salam
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in Sport, I'm happy that we get to do it

(01:36:11):
on our our show because I think it's important for
people to understand, like, no one likes two, no one
likes to be identified. Are you know blatantly point to
racism because it's such a stain on this country and
it has such an effect on so many people. Um,

(01:36:34):
But when it happens, the people who have experienced racism
can see it. They stay, can see it, and they
understand it, and they know what it looks like, and
they spend a lot of time trying to explain to
people who may not be able to see it what

(01:36:56):
it looks like and what it feels like. So that's
when the back and force happened. But if you've ever
experienced racism to an extent to where or you know
it immediately, then yeah, you you I'm telling you you
can just spot e. But oh yeah that's it. Oh Nope,
that's not it. Oh that's it. But because you've been

(01:37:19):
you've been conditioned by it happening to you are seeing
it all the time. Okay, if we dive into the
Broncos situation, is this just pure unadulterated racism why they
went with Nathaniel Hackett as their head coach. I mean,
let's really dive into it. If we're diving in, No,

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but what we're not saying the hire itself is racism.
We're saying the process to the hiring right, the process
to the hirings has always been in question. Therefore they
put in a Rooney rule to combat that. The only
rule is just a posture because teams don't have to

(01:38:03):
do anything. According to Bill Belichick's congratulation UH to the
wrong Brian prior to the African American Canadate being even
interviewed three days before the job was already gone, but
they were still gonna interview and because of the Rooney rule,
So the process is flawed. We're not saying that Denver

(01:38:25):
Broncos are racist because they hired the coach. That's that's
too simple. That's easy. You can point to that that
would be wrong, by the way, But what I'm saying
is you're you're so worried about being right and wrong.
I'm trying to break down the system there was built

(01:38:46):
right with a racist intent to it. There's no lie there.
We're just gone over things that in the in the
history of this league have been said about African Americans
or what they can and can't do. So that's I'm
not arguing that, oh, that one higher or that higher, Oh,
those are all racists. I'm saying the totality of the

(01:39:08):
process of giving out African Americans, qualified African Americans an
opportunity to coach teams, that's where the racist the racism is.
But that's the thing that I keep pointing to is
it seems to be this blanket statement of oh man,
it's the process is racist. It's like, okay, then if

(01:39:31):
we break it down team by team, wouldn't you be
able to point to on a team by team basis
and be like, well, here's another instance of racism. Again,
if the whole process is racist, then why can't we
then break it down on a team level and be like, Okay,
the Broncos they went with Nathaniel Hackett. Is there anything
more beyond race at play here? Because certainly there is there.

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There hasn't been a true admitting to the problem. Right.
They tried to placated by putting in the runing wood.
It was like, OK, there's something here right there, there there,
there's there's something here right. Brian Floores came out and said, Oh, no,

(01:40:15):
there's a real problem here. Hugh Jackson came out and said, oh, yeah,
there's a huge problem here. Other coaches hopefully will come
out and say, oh there's a huge problem here. Well
will we look at it then and be like, oh,

(01:40:36):
there's a huge problem here. I mean, listen, first things first,
just because they say it doesn't mean it's gospel. Like,
here's the thing. If you look at the Giants opening,
The Giants had their site set on Brian Dable. Okay,
we had a lot of success with Buffalo. Josh Allen
has had a lot of success the last couple of years.

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Brian Dable has something to do with that success. The
Giants they want Daniel Jones. It's a reclamation project, but
they're hoping to salvage any type of value out of
Daniel Jones as possible. They think Brian Dable is the
guy for the job. Is that just sheer racism? No,
it's not. I think that Brian floor has got a

(01:41:17):
Rod deal in Miami, totally Rod deal. I think he
should still be the head coach. But just because the
Giants had their sights set on Brian Dable, it doesn't
mean the NFL is rife with racism. That's not We're not.
We shouldn't be arguing that because I just gave you
examples their examples. I mean, this is right. We can

(01:41:40):
go back to the Kaepernick think. Guess what the NFL did.
They apologized. They really apologized, right, they apologize. We should
serious we didn't. Right, you're looking at and I understand it.
I'm looking at think, I'm looking at everything. I'm looking
at When when you say rife with racism, you're not

(01:42:03):
just talking about the coaching hiring process. That's what your no, no, no,
that's what he's saying. That's what and Brian Flores said,
the NFL is rife with racism secularly when it comes
to the hiring and retention of blackhead coaches, coordinators in
general manager. Absolutely. And when I point out things that
the NFL have done that have been disparaging to African Americans,

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that is also part of it. They're admitting these things
that things are just coming out this year about how
they viewed African Americans and how they treated them different
than white players. Okay, but what did that stick with
head coaches for a minute? Right, like we just did,
we can stick with head coaches. American head coaches are

(01:42:50):
there in the NFL. There's one guy and that's a joke,
like there's a problem. We discovered this already. When I'm not,
I'm since racism is the trigger word, I'm gonna take
that out of it. Okay, I'm just gonna use there's
a problem there. Okay, great Denver Broncos. Does that make

(01:43:11):
it feel better? Chalk it up to oh rife with racism? Really?
Is it? So let's look at the Broncos here. Why
did they go with Nathaniel hack You because a relationship
with him? Go ahead? Is that the only reason? That's
what I'm saying. Or did he have success with the Packers?
Did the did the Broncos have a Rogers as their

(01:43:32):
enemy head? More or less success with the Kansas City Chiefs?
Spaniel Hackett? Here, here's something else to come. And Nathaniel
Hackett been often and I know you want to chalk
everything up to racism, but but I'm not Brian. Wait,
hold on, time on pause, Man, hold on one second.

(01:43:55):
I'm not gonna let you sit here on the radio
and tell me I'm chalking everything up to racism. All
I'm trying to do to you is explain what it's
like to be African American and passed over in situations.
That's all I'm trying to do, right, i am not
trying to fight with you. I'm not trying to make

(01:44:20):
up a situation. Are the man The people who are
involved in the situation are saying what their experiences are.
You can't tell me, as an African American man in
this country, if I'm telling you an experience and I'm
telling you what I feel, you can't tell me, Oh,

(01:44:41):
that's not racist. You see what I'm talking about yours.
I'm just using me as an example. I'm talking about
Brian Flores and what he's saying has happened to him.
He even talked about Brian Table is a good head coach,
a great head coach. We all know that. Remember I
said when Brian day ball was up for coaches, I said,

(01:45:04):
don't take it now, get one more year. Josh Allen
should give you some of his salary to keep you
one more year. Right, we knew he was on that trajectory.
How long has Brian day Ball been the head the
offensive coordinator and in in Buffalo a couple of years?
Two years, right, and those are the last two years

(01:45:25):
that Josh Allen actually looked great. And guess he's a
head coach. Now. What I'm saying is Byron left, which
uh eric be ended me in. A host of other
offensive and defensive coordinators with better resumes who are African
American don't get opportunities there fast. There's a reason other

(01:45:47):
than race with the Broncos in particular, that you gotta consider.
And I'll tell you about it coming up here. But
we're a little bit late with our our guy, a
friend of America and this man you talk about patients.
He's like, you know what, no problem, guys, I know,
I understand, I get it. You guys are having a discussion.
Here's no problem. It's all right. He's the cool, calm

(01:46:08):
and collected Mr Steve de Seger, Because I know what
you do not want to discuss right now is how
the Lakers are looking tonight, because that is just flat awful.
I mean, they're going up against the New York Knicks
for Crown Out Loud, and Lebron James is back in
the line of tonight for l A after the knee
kept him out in the last five games. Lakers down
eleven nothing early, they give up forty two points in

(01:46:30):
the first quarter and now and they're still over three
minutes left in the first half. It's Nick sixty two
forty five over the Lakers. L A from three point
range two of fourteen. Lebron James has nine points in
twelve minutes on the court. There are a couple of
games starting up in a half an hour, including Milwaukee
at Portland, Milwaukee and Cleveland a game and a half out.

(01:46:51):
In the Eastern Conference, the Miami Heat now tied for
first in the East with Idle Chicago. The Heat pulled
away for a one oh four eighty six win at Arlotte.
Miami outscored them in the third quarter thirty five to eight.
Phoenix's record forty two and ten they wanted Washington ninety
five to eighty. The Sun's first place in the Western
Conference now two and a half games up on Idole,

(01:47:12):
Golden State and Memphis one again at twenty point winner
at Orlando one thirty five one fifteen. John Morant scored
thirty three points. In college basketball, Number one ranked Auburn
needed a late layup to win at Georgia seventy four
seventy two. Fifth rank Kentucky leads forty one thirty five
at Alabama early in the second half per Due and
Wisconsin with wins. Number seven Arizona beat usc Top ten

(01:47:36):
match up at Kansas was dominated by the Jayhawks. There
now a game and a half up in the Big
Twelve Conference. After whipping number eight ranked Baylor eighty three
to fifty nine. Ninth rank Duke had no problem winning
at North Carolina eighty seven to sixty seven. Villanova beat
Connecticut Rutger's upset Number thirteen Michigan State DePaul had been
one in nine in conference, but one at twenty one

(01:47:58):
rank Xavier sixty nine sixty five. By the way, in
the Big East, Georgetown is dead last at O and
nine and Vanderbilt beat number twenty five L s U
s L s U, somehow still ranked this week, has
lost six of its last seven games. In Las Vegas.
Tomorrow is the NFL's Pro Bowl in Las Vegas. Today
was the NHL's All Star Game. Just on the other

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side of the freeway, the Metro Division won the finale
in Philadelphia's Claude gru was Game m v P. At
the Winter Olympics, US women's hockey shot out Russia this
morning five nothing starting up in about a half an
hour is the Men's Downhill and NASCAR opens tomorrow on
Fox TV inside the l A Coliseum with the clash
six pm Eastern time. They have constructed an asphalt race

(01:48:42):
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of other Southern California tracks. They're catch fences, walls, safer
barriers for this unique event on Fox six pm Eastern tomorrow.
Back to you, it's a cool setting. It's a quarter
mile track. Yeah, compare that today. Don't know where this
race usually is dat it's like two and a half

(01:49:03):
miles for a lap. Yeah, you're turning left constantly there, man,
that's crazy. Brian, noany from salam with you here on
Fox Sports Radio. One thing, I'll throw your white big
Man when it comes to Eric b enemy, the guy
should have had a job by now. But when it
comes to the Broncos specifically, you gotta keep this in mind,
the Chiefs would get a pair of third round picks

(01:49:28):
if Eric B. Enemy gets a head coaching job anywhere
in the NFL. So if you're the Denver Broncos, why
would you want the Chiefs to get a pair of
third round picks when you're facing them in your own division.
That's something else that you've got to consider here that
goes beyond race. That's similar to the Rooney rule, where
it's a rule that has good intentions but sometimes a

(01:49:51):
bad outcome. The Chiefs Travis Kelsey is a third round pick,
right Like, if you're the Broncos, you're already trailing the
Chiefs in the division, and if you hire Eric B. Enemy,
the Chiefs get a pair of third round picks. Those
those picks could be good players, those picks could haunt
you for years. You have to be absolutely and utterly

(01:50:12):
convinced that Eric B. Enemy is far and away the
best candidate for the job to hire him. There. That's
all I'm saying is sometimes these hires involve way more
than just race. So it's too simplistic to just chalk
it up. Two. Here we go with the racism thing,
and there's nothing simple about buying Flores lawsuit and the

(01:50:34):
conversations that are coming from that lawsuit. This is anything
but simple. This man has put his whole career the
thing he was put on the planet to do, which
is coach, and he's good at it. He's probably never
gonna coach again in the NFL. Right, So this is
this is anything but simple. He sacrifice his livelihood, his

(01:50:59):
family's lively hood to make a point and for for
some two not take that serious. It is insulting to
him and what he's trying to get accomplished. And I'm

(01:51:19):
not gonna sit here and stand for it because it's
it's not right. It's not right. Okay, my bad. The
Broncos are racists, Like, what are you doing? You too simple, Brian,
you too see you the fact that you're not acknowledging
it and you're trying to make it one by one
case right like the Broncos. Higher, I'm talking about all

(01:51:41):
of it. How many how many African American owners do
we have? None? How many African American head coaches do
we have one? How many African American gms do we have?
I don't know, I think six six. I'm not positive
about that, right? Is there something do those numbers seem

(01:52:02):
right to you, No, they don't. We've been through this
time and time again. Okay, so why are we still
even talking about it? Because again, like it's this blanket
statement it is right with racism. And then it's like, okay,
let's break it down team by team and is there anything?
Is there? Are there any other reasons other than Josh

(01:52:22):
McDaniels being a white guy why the Raiders decided to
hire him? Of course there are? Are there any other
reasons why the Giants other than Brian the Ball being
white why they hired the guy? Yeah? Of course weird
to me when we break it down team by team,
how all of a sudden the conversation just differs and
we're moving the goal post in a different the goal post.
Let me ask you this. Josh McDaniels head head coaching

(01:52:47):
job at Denver, it was terrible, right he was? He
gets another head coaching job at Indianapolis, right, yeah? Literally
quit on them. He gets another this is his third
head coaching job. I'm just going to ask you this.

(01:53:07):
If Josh McDaniels was African American, is he does he
have his third head coaching job giving what he did?
What happened taking a job and quitting that it doesn't
it won't happen, be and and and and for you
to say, oh, what that speculation, No, man, I'm talking
about history. African Americans can't, especially in coaching and in
high level we it's very few. We are very, very

(01:53:33):
very small threshold for missteps. Everything has to be perfect mhm.
And and and you want to talk about moving the
goal post. It used to just be wins and losses. Well,
now we got blind flores and in the last two
years he's got more wins than losses, so now it
moved to oh, well he's it's hard to manage. Hey, listen,

(01:53:58):
I'm I definitely don't think he should have been fired.
I think he's gotten a raw deal in many instances.
I would not argue against that. The only thing I'm
arguing against is, like, listen, man, sometimes things appear to
be way more sinister than they actually are. That's the
only thing I'm saying. On a case by case basis,

(01:54:18):
all right, I wouldn't just simply chalk everything up to, oh,
this is clearly racism again at its finest, Like, I
just don't look at it that way. And I think
reasonable minds can disagree. That doesn't mean that I'm not
hearing him or I'm just like rolling my eyes like
that's all garbage. Like I think there is some truth
absolutely to what he's saying, but I'm not gonna chalk

(01:54:40):
up every higher to Here we go again with the
NFL being rife with racist higher but if their practices
in place that would limit a certain group of people
that would be considered racism practices in place? Yes, like
what what is there a fraternity of a fraternity of

(01:55:04):
of really rich white old man. Look a look at
the Races organization where if we're looking at it from
the racism point of view, they hired Art Shell. They've
had a black head coach before. They so we're just
focusing on That's like you saying, your breasts best friend
is white, are black? Right? My my brother in law

(01:55:26):
is black. I'm not right. That's what that They quit soon, Okay,
that's look, I'm just telling me what it sounds like. Right,
the people listening, they'll let you know all you gotta
do to tune on. They will, they'll know, they'll let
you know exactly what it sounds like on their end. Right.
That's that's a great thing about you know, social media

(01:55:47):
and and doing live shows. You really get to know
right away what what. So you know, when we off
the show and we're going about our business tonight, you
can peruse summer Twitter and and and and then you know,
oh you'll you'll see. I mean, all right, we gotta
get to this coming up next. I think it's a
good gig. I don't know if anybody agrees, but we'll

(01:56:08):
dive into it. I'm Brian though, he's e from salam
This is Fox Sports Radio. Brighten, No, he's from Salam.
Here on Fox Sports Radio. Doug Peterson new head coach
of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think it's a great opportunity
for the guy. I don't know what you think about
the Jacksonville job. I think it can be a Buffalo

(01:56:33):
Cincinnati type reclamation project over there. I think Trevor Lawrence
is the real deal. I think it's a real opportunity.
But I'm curious what Doug Peterson does with that. I
think it's that's a good hire by the organization. Um,
but we we'll see. We'll see what Trevor Lawrence turns into.
We'll see if they can actually make good draft picks.

(01:56:56):
But I think they have a real quarterback and I
think they have a real opportunity to be a Cincinnati
slash Buffalo type team in the years to come. They
gotta they gotta make huge leaps and bounds with their
draft things Cincinnati and the thing the Buffalo did is
they they made tremendous free agency acquisitions, which it's gonna

(01:57:17):
be hard for Jacksonville to do. But they didn't strike
out in the draft. They hit two three years in
a row. And that's the only way you can turn
downway you have to build it there because there's not
gonna be a lot of people going down to Jacksonville
free agency. It just it doesn't work like that down there.
I think you give it three years, it's a playoff

(01:57:42):
team within three years. You buy that. No, because I
don't have confidence in them and on on the aspects
that they need to to take care of to to
um to make that three year. Trevor Lawrence is not
gonna be able to do it by himself. I don't
care how good we think he's gonna be. We have
zero idea how good he's gonna be because we haven't

(01:58:03):
seen anything from him. I hear you. It's just man,
it's crazy how quickly it can happen. You look at Cincinnati,
they were two and fourteen, but but look what they did.
They hit and they hit three times in a row. Yeah,
but they've had four Pro Bowlers over the last decade.
Like they've swung and missed on so many you don't

(01:58:27):
and they finally got it right. But you gotta remember
Cincinnati had been going to the playoffs. They just couldn't
win a playoff game. Yah, Marvin Marvin Lewis had him going.
They were going to the playoffs. That wasn't the they
couldn't win a game, right, So they were they had
had it. They had good teams to make it to
the playoffs tim plus wins a year. They just couldn't
make it. They couldn't win the game. So they weren't

(01:58:47):
as as far back as as one may seem. Because
that notion of winning a playoff game having not winning
one for thirty one years, that's the one we're talking about. Well,
I go back to Buffalo too, they didn't make the
playoffs for seventeen years. Yeah, they got the quarterback right,
and they got the pieces around him. Uh to get
it done. But it started at the top. You gotta

(01:59:09):
have confidence and and and and and uh and the
people who are putting this together. And Jacksonville hasn't shown
that ability to do that. By the way, how crazy
is this? Cincinnati too? And fourteen two years ago and
they had one hundred to one odds two win the

(01:59:31):
Super Bowl this year, those are the same odds as
the Lions. They had the same odds as the Lions
to be in the position that they're in right now.
That's a crazy turn around. Yeah, it is. And like
I said, it starts at the top. It starts at
the top. You gotta get the right general in there,
and then you got to get the right soldiers. And
if you don't have that, you're not going in. Hey,

(01:59:53):
Happy Black History Month, everybody. Hey, you have a good evening,
big man. Good luck to your purple and gold over there.

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