Buck Reising & Rich Ohrnberger talk about Michigan's "win" & Lane Kiffin's LSU debut!

Buck Reising & Rich Ohrnberger talk about Michigan's win over WMU after 1 second was added to the clock, Lane Kiffin's LSU debut and how they view LSU as a contender this year, how to spend the final Sunday before the NFL season kicks off, Dabo Swinney's status at Clemson, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Fox Sports Radio. We all saw it.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
The game was over.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Western Michigan, they had done something that we had not
seen since App State took it to Michigan all those
years ago, beating Michigan in the big house, the unthinkable
in week one.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
And yet.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
We're sitting here talking about a Michigan win today.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's Rich Ornberger.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm Buck Rising, hanging out here with you on this
Fox Sports Sunday. Rich, man, I could not have asked
for a better day, a better entryway back into the
college football season. I know we got started last week
with Week Zero, but to see some of these real
teams in action and to see some of these teams
that were paid to come in today, to places like

(00:51):
Michigan or Oregon or all these different stadiums to try
and get a layup win and push these competitors. These
contenders yesterday was just so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are we living on the Sunday, man?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Living good.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Looking forward to some NFL to fill up my Sundays,
but man, we're, we're just a couple of days away
from that, but you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Week zero.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I think what we've seen is still the case, but,
And I think college football has a little reexamining to
have to do with week zero's lineup. It lacks something.
You know, I mean, it's usually one game that you're
really keyed up for, and the rest of them are like,
all right, well, at least there's football.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's been a while.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
But week one already, and we have some more games
to watch tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's just been bonkers.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, Boise State, we'll start there for just a moment
because I called it on the air yesterday during countdown.
Myself and Brian Ngo and Jared Smith were on the
air from 6 a.m. until 9 on the West Coast,
9 to noon on the East. And we were talking
about that Oregon game, and I was saying to Brian Ngo,

(02:03):
I was like, stay off that one, man. I know
you want to take Oregon favored by whatever it was,
24 and a half, I think, by the time kickoff came.
I was like, Boise State went out there to Eugene,
and they handed it to him for about three or
four quarters, and it took a walk-off field goal to

(02:24):
get the job done. And he went with the Ducks anyways,
and we saw the game yesterday.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I mean, Boise State put up a fight.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
But no hearts are more broken. than those fans of
Western Michigan. My God. I thought a town was going
to be ablaze, and they were going to have to
call in the National Guard how much partying was going
to be happening in Kalamazoo.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And meanwhile, dude, I.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Mean, it's like it's a date that will be emblazoned
in memories forever because it was the date a win
was taken away.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
And so now we have statements coming from conferences, and
we have all manner of different replay reviews that we've seen.
Because this initial 47 yards, because, Rich, I was watching
the games. Me and Steve Hartman, we did a couple
hours yesterday during the second slate. of Saturday and so
I met met some friends out at a bar in

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East Nashville to go watch this LSU game which I
never thought was going to get off the ground for
the monsoon that was taking place in Baton Rouge yesterday
and I wasn't going to stick that one out because
it was an ass whipping and we'll get to that
here in just a second we got Lane and Dabo
and all these different things to talk about today but
I was sticking around to watch the end of this
game we had it up on a buddy's cell phone

(03:40):
in the corner of the table at the bar while
every while the bar was playing the LSU game All around.
And I just sitting there laughing, almost comical. Not, not
that I have any ill will towards Michigan, but just
the idea that an upset of this magnitude would happen.
And my God, Kyle Whittingham's face, he looked like he
had seen a ghost when that initial 47 yard attempt happened.

(04:03):
fell to the ground incomplete as time expired, because that's
what we all saw. We all saw time expire and
Kyle Whittingham's debut in a huge spot, even though it's
not realistic to think that they were going to be
great right out of the gate this year. Michigan, they've
obviously got some strides that they need to make, and
Bryce Underwood's development, the quarterback, is going to be heavily

(04:24):
scrutinized all year long, though that Hail Mary pass at
the end was kind of amazing how they were able
to execute it. The way that the immediate television replay
confirmed what also seemed just obvious to all of us
in real time is that the clock had hit zeros
before Underwood's pass made contact with anyone on the way down.

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And you even had Noah Eagle. It's not Noah Eagle's fault.
The play-by-play broadcaster on the game yesterday for NBC just say,
it's done.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
In dramatic fashion.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
And so then you get that baffling announcement in real
time from the ref. After further review, there is one
second left in the game. So they're not showing additional
angles on TV during the review, presumably because they're looking
for another angle that didn't contradict or that contradicted the
initial review.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Ruling in that spot.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
You hate to get so bureaucratic with the conversation around
this football game, but that's what it became based on
the way that we thought that the clock on television
might not have been married up with the clock on
Just an unbelievable conversation that was roiling around this thing
all night. And finally, you get this statement from the

(05:36):
Big Ten conference. Following video review, it was determined that
Western Michigan's number 18 started his jump from an established
out-of-bounds position and made contact with the ball with one
second remaining on the clock. As shown in the video
of what was viewed during the replay process, and the
Big Ten has since put out videos a number of

(05:57):
different video, including the commentary of the people making the decision,
which I thought was pretty insightful. A side-by-side view of
the play and the game clock using a direct shot
of the game clock in the stadium was used to
determine the final ruling. 85 minutes prior to the game,
all broadcast cameras used for the replay system, including the

(06:18):
camera on the game clock, are synced using a strobe
system to ensure all cameras are aligned.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Per NCAA football rule 4-2-3-A.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
A ball not in player control other than a kick
that scores a field goal is out of bounds when
it touches the ground. A player, a game official, or
anything else that is out of bound or that is
on or outside a boundary line, and thus the clock
is stopped.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's an insane way to end that football game.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And look, I hate it for the players on Western Michigan.
I hate it for their coaches.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
You put in so much hard work for 60 minutes
and for it to come down to that one moment where,
I mean, we all saw it with our eyes.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That game was over.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
And then to be told, well, actually it wasn't because
it's such an important play. And we understand where we're
at in society if there's any question whatsoever about We
need to adjudicate these things down to the literal fraction
of the seconds.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And so we will.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
And what we saw here is that there was actually
more time left on the clock. And so let's go again.
And that's brutal. That's heartbreaking. That's football. That's life. Life's
not always fair. Sometimes you feel like in your own life, Buck,
and I'm sure it's happened to you. It's happened to
me plenty of times. You prematurely celebrate something, and then

(07:52):
all of a sudden the rug gets pulled out from you,
and it sucks, and it hurts, and there's heartache and heartbreak.
But then you move on. Now, the problem here is
the transparency. The problem here is very similar to how
I'm sure everybody's also had the experience of looking at

(08:12):
your cell phone time. You know, like right now it's
9.09 on the West Coast, 9 o'clock in the morning.
If I went into my car and I was trying
to set my car clock to match up perfectly with
the clock on my phone, even if I tried my
hardest to get the times to match perfectly, there would
probably still be like that. one second or fraction of

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a second lag. Well, that's exactly what happened last night
on the broadcast. The in-game clock is different from the
clock on the screen. Much like I was describing you
setting the clock in your car to the clock to
your phone, like that's what these people are trying to do,
whether it's CBS or Fox or NBC or USA or

(08:59):
FS1 or whoever's carrying the broadcasts. They're trying to make
that little digital clock on the bottom of your screen
match up perfectly with the game clock in the stadium.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
But there's always going to be a slight difference.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
And it's not going to matter unless what just transpired occurs,
where there's controversy over the timing of the game when
it comes down to the final moments. Now, here's the
problem that you will have for the remainder of the
college football season. anybody who took Western Michigan on the

(09:33):
money line has like a real gripe to make, right?
Because again, what your eyes told you buck was, well,
Western Michigan just pulled off this major upset. And even
if I put peanuts on this game, a money line
with that big of an underdog, I mean, what kind
of odds are you pushing?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
You're you're, you know, did you miss out on a,
you know, a hundred dollar windfall on.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
A $ 5 bet? Did you parlay that with something else?
I mean, now you're talking about real money, and there's
a major investment that people make in these games aside
from just their fan interest these days.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
So you have to get these moments right.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I think it was smart of the Big Ten to
release that behind-the-scenes footage because it goes a.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Long way to prove that credence.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
But, man, oh, man, you need to have all of
your buttons buttoned all the way up these days because
there's so much money riding on literally every second of
football now with all the prop bets associated with sports
betting and all the apps available to everybody across every
state in our nation at this point with prediction markets.
Whether sports betting is legal in your state or not,

(10:41):
you can find a way to bet on these games,
and people often do. So that's another reason why this
gets really hairy. It's not just about fan interest anymore.
It's about betters interest as well.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
No question.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
And to your point, if there was ever a case
for complete transparency during the replay process, you mentioned the
video and it's widely available on social media. A number
of different outlets have obviously been distributing the video that
the Big Ten produced to make sure that we could
see as much of their process as humanly possible because
it was so critical to get this exactly right, given

(11:17):
all the scrutiny and, again, the amount of money that
is being wagered on these games, in particular a game
of this consequence. If the Big Ten officiating crew had
good reason to add a second to the clock, we
all deserved to understand what it was in real time
and just the amount of time, Rich, that passed while
they had.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
To work through this.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
And I'm glad that they took their time through the
process because there could be no wiggle room on this, right?
There can be no room for interpretation. You understand that
the Internet and social media and Twitter have in particular,
is going to run wild with speculation and things were
already starting to get out of hand. People sweating the
idea of why is it taking an hour after the

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result to finally make a determination here?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
What could they possibly be looking for?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Or what could they have found that might turn this
in a different direction. And what even would be the
recourse if they found something that was sufficient to overturn
that ruling in real time? I don't think that they
would just reassign a win, but perhaps they would. It
was a fascinating process. That's what I love about college football.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
And football in general, man.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's always something you feel like you've never seen in
a game in your life, no matter how many times
or how many days, hours, years you've been watching this sport.
It's a fascinating wrinkle that we got to witness last night. Again, unfortunately,
to the detriment of Western Michigan, because that would have
been an amazing moment.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
And unfortunately, you know, that Appalachian State game that you
mentioned earlier to start off the show, Buck. You know,
that's all kind of carved into our memory and it'll
be there forever because you just couldn't believe it was
a where were you win moment in college sports. And
it almost happened again in the same place, you know,

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just a couple of decades later. It's a sensational opportunity
that college football provides some of these programs where not
only are they able to get a paycheck going out
and really offering themselves up to these bigger programs as
a tune-up game. To go out there and, look, it's

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going to be a little bit of a rough day
for your guys. But some of these games are worth
a half million dollars, a million dollars to fly out
and to play football against a team that needs to
get ready for their season. And then you take an L,
but you go home with a paycheck. But on the
off chance that your guys are prepared, on the off

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chance that you can compete, you can etch yourself in history, too.
And that almost happened for Western Michigan yesterday. And my
heart breaks for them because I want for a second
just to sort of.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Memorialize what they actually did.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Because don't allow the controversy to overshadow the fact that
WMU possessed the ball for over 40 minutes in that
game against Michigan.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
OK, it was 40.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
The exact stat, 40 minutes and eight seconds to Michigan's 1952.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
They also forced three turnovers.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
They held Michigan to only 276 yards. They essentially played
keep away. I mean, this game was won. It was
in pocket. It was a last minute game. Hail Mary,
literally a play named after a prayer that bailed Michigan out.
So Western Michigan, I want every single one of the
players in that locker room to understand how impressive that was.

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Because that's a result nobody, nobody saw coming. And if
they even bet on you to win, it was just
because they were throwing a wild dart at a dartboard
a thousand miles away and hoping it hit a bullseye.
And you almost did it. man you almost did it
and and that was incredible what an effort from western
michigan oh.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Rich it makes one this is uh the first opportunity
that you and i have had to work together but
it just makes me so happy to be talking.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
About football results this is the best i.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Mean it's it's a great gig that we've got and
there's a lot of fun stuff to talk about throughout
the course of the calendar you're doing talk radio but
damn if it's not good to be talking about some
football games oh It's the best, Buck, yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
And obviously, look, you know, we're going to have plenty
of time throughout the season to break down a lot
of what's happening in college football now, how the transfer
portal helps, how it hurts, different.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Coaches' philosophies on that.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
We sort of almost saw that battle out on Alive
and in Living Color last night.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
You had mentioned the LSU-Clemson game.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Those are two coaches with really different philosophies in college
football who tilted last night, and the results were lopsided.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Man, it's going to be interesting to see how this
thing hurdles toward a 12-team playoff and what teams are
left standing because I'm sure like every year there are
going to be more storylines we did not see coming
heading down the pike because certainly we've already been handed
a few of them just in this opening weekend of
college football.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Well, a storyline that feels like everybody could see coming.
Lane Kiffin's victory lap. We're going to talk about this game.
Between LSU and Clemson coming up next, he's Rich Orenberger.
I'm Buck Rising, hanging out here with you on this
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Speaker 3 (17:08):
Imagine being a Clemson Tigers fan. You're hyped for the
start of the season. You're getting ready to go to
the other Death Valley to square off against a ranked
LSU Tigers team and Lane Kiffin. where there's been a
lot of hype all offseason long. You wait through a
storm nearly two hours, actually over two hours, from the

(17:30):
scheduled kickoff time just to watch your team get beat
down 51-2. That's the way that it went down at
Death Valley last night.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
51-10, LSU over Clemson.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Not the most lopsided game that we've seen so far
at the start of the college football season. Rich Orenberger,
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Speaker 2 (17:54):
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
Rich, I don't know what I expected to happen, but
the way that the place that I was watching this
game at went crazy when LSU threw that first interception,
you thought surely not. Surely not after all of this,
all of this hype, all of this talk, all the lawsuits,
all the portal acquisitions that LSU made, a team with
a pedigree that is absolutely championship caliber. surely they're not

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going to let embattled Dabo Swinney come in here in
week one and spoil it all. And then very quickly thereafter,
we saw what Lane Kiffin and that Tigers team was
capable of. A thing that shocked me to talk about
the actual football of it all was the way that
Clemson was just getting bullied at the line of scrimmage, Rich.
I've not seen that in quite some time. That's their

(18:42):
worst loss since the turn of the decade.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Or the century, rather. It really is. It really is,
especially considering... the different philosophies that Lane and Dabo have.
You know, Dabo is for sure a great coach, but
he is still holding on to, I don't know, the
monikers and the traditions of yesteryear. There's a little bit

(19:06):
of pearl clutching happening with Clemson's head coach where it's
like everything's changing around him. And he was like, yeah,
I know everybody loves these automobiles, but I'm sticking to
my horse and buggy. It's like, we get it. You know,
you love high school recruiting and you love the fact
that you're, you know, you're coaching these amateur athletes who

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are trying to get their degree and move on and
move up with their lives. And yeah, there's some of
that still too, but the landscape has changed. This is
basically the minor leagues of the NFL now. It's less
amateur athletics, and it's more professional. And Dambo's got to
get up with the time. And Lane really deserves the

(19:49):
victory lap. LSU didn't squeak by Clemson. They won 51-10
and they produced 644 yards against a program still.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Regarded as a national brand.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
This is overwhelmingly the biggest statement that we're going to
see out of week one. And there's really not going
to be very many close seconds. The most impressive stat
of the night... Might be the fact that Clemson went
one for 13 on third down. Now, we knew LSU
was going to be impressive offensively. It's Lane Kiffin's calling card,
and they went 11 for 16 on offense on third downs.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
LSU did.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
But the fact that Lane Kiffin's defense destroyed Clemson on
those key down and distances, that's what really sticks out
to me. If you're putting up 644 yards on a
team like Clemson, and you're converting the majority of your
third downs, and you're holding opponents to one for 13.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Holy smokes.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I mean, I'm not handing LSU a championship week one.
We know there's a ton of football coming up here.
We know that anybody can get got any week, but
that was one of the more impressive debuts considering how
much hype there was around the roster building that Lane
Kiffin did this offseason with the Tigers.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Rich, I feel like to a coach, almost every one
of the guys that was interviewed either pregame or at
halftime about their teams was talking about, you know, we
want to see if we can come out here and
play to the identity that we believe that we have
as a football team or that we can establish this
identity or in fact learn who we are in a
critical week one game, no matter whether you are playing,

(21:32):
you know, a cream puff type of team or somebody
of consequence the way that we'll see later this afternoon. Really,
it is the only ranked game or game between two
ranked opponents here in Nashville today between Louisville and Ole Miss,
which I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Out a little later on.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
What I feel like I saw last night was the
way that LSU is going to try and go about
this after what they lacked last year.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I saw this stat from ESPN. LSU was 126th.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Nationally in rushing yards per game, 104 yards per game
in 2025. So you get improved offensive line play. You
get guys like Jones, you get Sam Leavitt, who's obviously
going to be a.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Threat in the run game as well.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
You had 213 rushing yards in the first half alone,
more than any, more than in any game last season.
It was a masterclass.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Against, again, I'm not, I don't think that Clemson is,
or I and talentless.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
In fact, the defensive line has always been their strength.
That's why it was so shocking to see that because I've,
at least in my lifetime, Rich, I'm 33 years old.
Clemson in my lifetime has found ways to get away
from Clemsoning as a slur around the way that that
program used to operate and Dabo being one of the
most established, successful, and effective coaches that I've seen. And yet,

(22:57):
this evolution on a number of fronts, both in-game and
as far as the way he's running his program, I
said to Steve Hartman yesterday, it's literally like watching the
dinosaur roaring at the comet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, that's such a great description. It really does feel
that way.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
It's impending doom staring you down, and all you.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Got to do is step off the tracks.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Nobody's asking you to stand in front of the train, Dabo,
but Coach Sweeney, man, he's dug in. He thinks that
this is the sword that he wants to plunge into
his stomach as the hordes are taking over the village, and.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's like, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
You can you could just pick up a new sword
and keep swinging like it doesn't have to go down
this way. And I think Clemson would do a great
job in the transfer portal. I think Clemson would do
a great job luring some high prize talent like Lane.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Kiffin just did at LSU. All it would take is.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
You know, getting on the phone, talking to some of
the boosters and some of the. wealthy alumni and some
of the business owners who have been supporting your program
for years and years anyways and saying, hey, look, if
we want to be a national power like some of
these other schools and some of these other rosters, we
need to all pitch in together. And that's the reality

(24:15):
of the world we're living in in college football now.
Everybody has a war chest. Everybody is making an investment.
And if you're not, you're falling behind. And you could
hate it or love it, but that's just the reality
we're living in. And Dabo Sweeney's got to get up
on the times. Otherwise, he will be looking for a
new job, or maybe.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
He'll be looking at retiring. That's just where we're at.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Maybe he'll want to go catch on with a coaching
staff in the NFL because if he's going to be
coaching professional football anyways, he might as well be an
assistant somewhere in the league rather than be a head
coach in a place where– You know, he's still having
a hard time wrapping his head around this. But Lane Kiffin,
he did this in short order. He had the number

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one transfer portal class.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
In the country.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
And that's sort of like a self-imposed touting that he
was doing. I mean, you mentioned Sam Levitt coming over
from ASU, a quarterback that already brought Arizona State to
the CFP playoffs just a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
You got the number one tackle.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
You were talking about the run game revamped in LSU
in Jordan Seaton out of the transfer portal. You get
the number one edge rusher, by the way, with Prince Will.
Uman Mielin, he comes over, and he's improving the defense
to the point where we were just discussing Clemson-Milford. was
almost blanked on third down conversions. It's impressive when you

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see that level of dominance in such a big game
for a program that could have really used a road
win or at very least a close road game to
start their season.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
But Clemson.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
man, that's a program where the hour's pointing in one direction,
and LSU, that hour's pointing in a completely.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Opposite direction this morning.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
It really is the tale of two philosophies played out
in front of our eyes, and obviously one philosophy is
working better in the times we're in in college football
right now, and you got to give that credit to
Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, as Rich said, we're not here to crown a
national champion in week one, but I do want to
talk a little bit more about how far we think
this LSU team can go this year. But first, Isaac Lowenkron.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
Just realized that both of you have survived working with
Steve Hartman.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
The brave and the bold.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the few, the proud. You know,
that's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I don't know if it's the few, buddy.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Actually, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Hartman's got a broadcast body count if I've ever seen one.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Oh, a broadcast body count. That's great.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Respectfully, Steve.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
You know, I love you, baby.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Trust me, he would be proud to share with you
the name of every broadcaster he's ever worked with. And
trust me, he knows each and every one of them
by name and would proudly trumpet them. Man, he is
in it for life.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
There's no question about it.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
In alphabetical order, no less. Broadcast body count. I've got
to type that, italicize it, underline it, and bold it
to immortalize that forever. Well, speaking of things that have
been immortalized, the events in Ann Arbor, Michigan on Saturday evening, fellas,
because overnight the Big Ten released a statement saying that
a Western Michigan player made contact with a Michigan Hail

(27:48):
Mary attempt with one second left on the clock. It
also released internal video of the review in real time
that shows that the Western Michigan player touched the ball
with one second left on the game clock in the stadium.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Here is the.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Audio of the video review deliberations.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Let's see here. We're taking a look here.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
Okay, he's jumping from out of bounds. So when 18
is touching the football, Jim, do you see that?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's dead when he touches the ball. When 18 is
touching the ball, we've got one second on the clock.
Do you see that? I do. And we've got him. Jim,
are you with me?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Can you hear me, guys?

Speaker 8 (28:31):
We are going to put one second on the game clock,
and we're going to have another play from the previous spot, okay?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Okay, so after review, there's one second remaining.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
Now, the video and the statement did not address why
the game clock on the telecast showed that time had
expired before the Western Michigan player touched the ball. The
Mid-American Conference released a statement accepting the Big Ten Conference's explanation.
Number 16, Michigan, then completed its second Hail Mary attempt
for a 13-12 victory over Western Michigan. Now, here's something

(29:04):
else for you guys. A Michigan fan who goes by
Chuck E. Chicky Hamdog made his way down to the
field after the game and was shown the video from
the actual on-field review monitor by a member of the
operations crew. Mr. Hamdog says what he saw proves there

(29:25):
was a second left. Problem is you can't really tell
either way from the video, but let's listen to it nonetheless.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
OK, there's one second.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's official. You're both call boys.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
That's official.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's real time.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Chuck chicky ham dog the pablo torre of college football
journalism also last night number 11 lsu beat clemson 51
to 10 one major league baseball game going on right
now in cincinnati the reds up one nothing over the
milwaukee brewers in the bottom half of the second inning
all yours.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Guys thank you isaac And thank you, Mr. Hamdog. Excellent work.

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(30:34):
Rich Ornberger. I'm Buck Rising, hanging out here with you.
So as we've talked about, LSU rolls Clemson pretty comfortably,
and they won't face a real test for two more weeks.
But when they get that test, it will be Lane
Kiffin now off of that win and what we presume
to be a win of a similar quality against Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Tech, who had a pretty impressive win of their own
last night, as a matter of fact.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Ole Miss will host Lane Kiffin in week three, which
is going to be, I mean, as the kids say, cinema.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
This is going to be spectacular.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I'm just wondering, because this is an interesting schedule
here with a number of quality teams and, of course.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The SEC.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
While they're not winning championships down here anymore and they're
very viscerally aware of that fact, they still find ways
from top to bottom to be one of the more
competitive conferences possible.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
In the country.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
No small feat for Lane Kiffin and LSU this season.
We do believe them to be national championship quality.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
I mean, now I do want to layer in some
context here because I think it's important. Clemson, can be bad.
Like Clemson may legitimately, they might stick. I mean, look,
programs struggle or flourish year to year. And even though

(31:58):
Clemson has had a run of success and Dabo Sweeney
is a good and established head coach in college football,
There are teams that undergo regression.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
And Clemson didn't just get beat by LSU.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
They got absolutely demolished outside of a garbage time touchdown.
LSU was in control of the run game, amassing over
300 rushing yards like we talked about. They absolutely flummoxed
Clemson on third downs. defensively holding them to only one
conversion on 13 attempts. This game was, I mean, wildly

(32:35):
out of reach for Clemson the entire time. And so, yeah,
you could look at it through both sides of the
same lens, right? You could say, well, when I look
through this lens, that means that.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
LSU is one of the top teams in the nation. Well.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Then you turn that lens around and you look through
it the other way. You say, well, what about Clemson?
Are those Tigers any good? And the answer to that
question may throw a little water on the hype train
that is LSU right now. I think everybody likes to
jump on the hype train. I think it's more fun
to hop on the hype train.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
But who knows?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Clemson might go out in week two and get embarrassed again,
and we may have more information as we're heading into
week three of for LSU taking on Ole Miss, where
even if LSU demolishes La Tech, you may have a
situation where you say, well, after watching Clemson Week 2,
are we really all that impressed with what LSU has

(33:30):
done so far heading into their first real matchup against
Ole Miss? And I think we'll start getting some answers
to the questions later As the schedule continues, you got
Ole Miss for LSU, Texas A & M, Alabama, Texas,
at Tennessee, and at Arkansas. Those are going to be

(33:51):
the games that LSU obviously needs to win or show
out for in order for all of us to be believers.
Right now, I think I'm looking at a lock for
the college football playoff. Right now, I think I'm looking at,
at very least, I don't want to say at very least,
but I'm looking at what a semifinal.
You know, playoff team should look like, you know, early

(34:12):
in the season, a lot can happen between now and
the end of the football season. So I don't think
I'm ready to make any bold proclamations, but if you're
asking me knee jerk reaction is LSU, a championship caliber team,
I would say that's the debut you'd need to have
in order to have that argument. So, yeah, I'm, I

(34:33):
think I'm a believer. What about you buck? No question.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I am 100 percent in on LSU this year as
a as a championship contender for sure. I I'm so
curious to see how the rest of the.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Season plays out.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
And we'll obviously have a lot more college football to
talk in the second hour. But just seeing the quality
of some of these teams and some of the some
of the kinks that they're going to have to work through,
which is what week one is all about, which is
what making these corrections is all about. to try and
find who the best 12 teams are going to be.
I'm looking forward to it, but there's no question that
LSU has the kind of caliber, talent, and coaching staff

(35:08):
that will help them help them.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Succeed at a high level.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think a semifinal is, Rich, you may not want
to say it, but I think that's minimum to me,
as long as they're healthy, right? Health is the thing
that you can't predict. So you always reserve the right
to say, well, if the roster falls apart, there may
not be a reasonable case to make there. But as
long as they've got their principal parts, that team should
be competing in the semifinal. We'll get back to college

(35:35):
football in the second hour, as I mentioned, but I
want to talk about the last Sunday without NFL football
for a while.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Coming up next.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Welcome back to Fox Football Sunday presented by Underdog.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Unleash your dog.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
We're live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Rich Ornberger,
Buck Rising, hanging out here with you. So it's the
last Sunday without NFL football. Now, fortunately, we've still got
football today. We've got three games featuring top 25 teams.
One game of consequence tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken. Looking

(36:09):
forward to all of those, especially Ole Miss Louisville here in.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Town, Rich.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I haven't decided whether or not I'm going to go
to the game. I probably should, just for the hell
of it. I don't get to go to a lot
of college football games during the season. I travel around.
I cover the Titans on a daily basis, so I'm
on the road. for a good portion of the football season.
And it's a rare enough thing when you get the
only game between two ranked opponents in town just dropped

(36:34):
in your lap.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
So I think I might slide down to Nissan Stadium today.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, that would be a good idea.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
You know, I mean, ranked on ranked for the first
time this college football season, I think it would be
a worthwhile endeavor. And also, I think we're– I'm at
least thinking this is going to be a ball game.
We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. Neutral site,
close spread. This feels like one of those games that

(37:01):
could deliver on some of the electricity that I think
that Clemson LSU was supposed to give us last night.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But only one team showed up to play.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
So that would be a good one to catch before
your football season really gets filled in on Sundays in earnest.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I can't wait, though.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
The Titans, as far as the focuses of the NFL
this season, not at the forefront. But it's always an
interesting thing. It's always an exciting thing to start a
new season, especially when you've got an organization in transition.
I know, obviously, you do a lot of work out
there on the West Coast. as well, following out throughout
the course of the football season here on Fox Sports Radio.

(37:43):
It's one of those things, though, where I'm jealous of
people who get to watch a full slate of Sunday football.
It's why to me, Rich, I enjoy college football Saturdays
more because I'm covering one game and it's almost always
in the noon window because that's when the Tennessee Titans play.
So I'll catch a little bit of the later slate
and I may get a little bit of Sunday night

(38:03):
football before I have to fly home from wherever I'm
covering a game that day. But I love college football
Saturdays more and more with every year that I spend
covering NFL football because I just, I don't get to
see as much. The excitement of college football Saturdays to
me is unmatched.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, there really is something about the buffet platter that college.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Football brings you.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
The NFL, I don't want to say it's a little
more sterile, but because of the parity of that league,
it's not as interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
The results roll in. Usually, they're tighter games.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
They're obviously all hard-fought because they all matter, but you
don't have some of the unique matchups that college football.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Brings, especially early in the season when And some of the.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
You know, the controversial results that may tumble out, just
like we were discussing with Western Michigan and Michigan at
the big house just a night ago.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
So, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
There's something really unique and special about college football. And
I think that's why there is a little pearl clutching like, hey,
let's keep this thing great. Let's not change too much
too quick because we have the NFL already. Let's keep
college football right where it belongs on Saturdays and keep
it as special however we can sort of protect it

(39:19):
from becoming the NFL.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Going back to the game that we have here in
Nashville today, Ole Miss is such an interesting team this
year because Trinidad Chambliss returning you really get to find
out how how consequential this Pete Golding experimented head coach
can be obviously somebody with a lot of experience as
a coordinator as an assistant coach uh in the SEC
but now elevated in the absence of Lane Kiffin. Louisville,

(39:46):
as far as kind of reestablishing themselves as a consistently
ranked program, has been interesting to see the come up.
I think that Ole Miss is as high variance a
team as we might have in this sport this year,
just because I think there's so many different variables that
we don't have the answer to yet, despite how much
they're returning.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, there's no question about it. Yeah, look, you have
your staff in place. You have a lot of the
same faces from when Lane was there. We'll see how
it goes against Louisville today.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll keep
breaking down all the college football action. Stay tuned to
Fox Sports Radio. Football is back, baby, and we're breaking
it down for you on this Fox Football Sunday. Rich Ornberger,
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Speaker 2 (40:35):
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Speaking of underdogs, Rich, we opened the show talking about
this Michigan-Western Michigan debacle last night. And Western Michigan was

(40:56):
a 27.5-point underdog. The Wolverines able to escape 13-12 with
a win over the Broncos in Kyle Whittingham's Michigan debut. Now,
we've talked about the situation regarding the review and the
time put back on the clock that allowed Michigan to
execute that final Hail Mary in miraculous fashion. You saw

(41:20):
Michigan rush the field, which I thought was kind of crazy. Rich,
I don't know, maybe the moment they got caught up
in the moment, the tension of it, because it would
have been a disaster. By Whittingham's own admission, he was
giving several quotes last night, quote, we were flirting with
disaster and that would have been an epic loss. So

(41:41):
maybe in a big house last night, The crowd felt
compelled to just get out on the field and take
a deep breath.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I thought that was kind of crazy to see, first
and foremost.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
But just the idea of Michigan struggling that mightily, and
you were so correct to give Western Michigan their flowers
today and a disappointing outcome for them as far as
the review, and the final Hail Mary. But as far
as Michigan goes this season, a lot to take away
from that game. I did not expect them to look

(42:12):
the way that LSU did necessarily or Georgia or Ohio
State yesterday because we understand there's a little bit further
of a learning curve here for the Wolverines. I would
come away from that game being concerned about the future
of this specific football team.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And again, Bryce Underwood, the young quarterback, comes under the microscope.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
You know, there's no question that Bryce Underwood was one
of the most bantied about recruits coming into college football
a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I mean, I think his entrance into college football was.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Only one-upped, I guess you would call it, by Arch Manning.
taking over the quarterbacking job at Texas because that's, that's
how highly esteemed Bryce Underwood was. It came down to,
you know, some famous and wealthy alumni of Michigan to
help get him there. You know, the Dave Portnoy's of

(43:14):
the world, the Tom Brady's of the world that were
helping with the recruiting process to get Underwood signed at
the university of Michigan. And obviously things have transpired since then. Uh, the, uh,
The situation with the staff under Jim Harbaugh, the situation
with his replacement, and now moving into the Whittingham era

(43:37):
as it started unceremoniously with a near loss to Western Michigan,
which is just a payday game, a tune-up game for Michigan,
a paycheck game for Western Michigan, and it almost spelled.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Disaster for the Wolverines.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
So where are we now today with Michigan looking at
the rest of their season? Well, I hate to spin
this too positively, but I will, because I think if
I were a college football coach, this is exactly what
you need. OK, you didn't lose the game. At the
end of the day, wins and losses matter the most.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
If you're in contention for a college football playoff come
the end of the season, maybe a near loss, that
result could hamper you if there is literally a debate
over who needs to be team number 12 next. And
who needs to be team number 13 just on the
outside looking in to the college football season? But like,

(44:38):
let's let's really you could go undefeated from here on out.
Nothing saying that you can't. You could be a one
loss team and that one loss can come to, you know,
one of these Big Ten rivals that that it'll it'll
ultimately look like a good loss down the stretch of
the season, depending on who it is. And Michigan can

(44:59):
still have something resembling an extremely successful season, even though
you have this dubious start. The reason why I'm saying
this is a good thing is because you still got
the W, but it's, it feels like a loss. It's
the best of both worlds for a college football coach,
because everything you said to them leading up to this
matchup against Western Michigan, Hey guys, don't be sleepwalking on

(45:23):
this team. They could get you. Hey guys, even though
it's an FCS opponent, Michigan, Look out. These are the
things we need to worry about. Hey, guys, I understand
that we're more talented and we have better speed and
better players on our roster. But this is football. And
you know how it goes. If we're if we're careless
with the football. And we were sluggish out the gates.

(45:45):
They could jump all over us. And guess what they did?
And they did it for 60 minutes of the game.
And a last minute Hail Mary bailed them out. So
for the rest of the season, you could draw upon
this experience and say, that's what happens when you're not ready.
And so we escaped with a W. And honestly, if

(46:06):
we're all being honest with each other, we probably shouldn't have.
But we need to learn that lesson, and we need
to use that tape, and we need to inspire better
play around here. And if you don't, I don't know
what is going to encourage a team to play better,
but it's sort of the best of the worst news
for Michigan here.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
No, I was reading some of the quotes that came
out of this from the Michigan postgame press conferences and
the players that were made available to the media. One
of the defensive ends, Dom Nichols, gave exactly the kind
of quote, Rich, that you're talking about here. Quote, sick
to my stomach is the way I explain my feelings
about that game. That's a player that's resonating exactly the

(46:47):
kind of messaging That a coach is going to try
to get across, especially one in a situation like Kyle Whittingham,
who's had great success at Utah, who comes in here
after you mentioned the Jim Harbaugh fallout, the Sharon Moore fallout.
that's taken place over these last couple years, and he's
just got to find a way to, one, get this

(47:07):
group of young men's attention, and two, stabilize a program
that has just unreal expectations, not that far removed from
winning a national championship, understanding the circumstances. around that national championship.
And this is the kind of thing that has to
make you stand up and pay attention, a gut punch,

(47:27):
whatever kind of cliche you want to use to kind
of galvanize, to be the galvanizing force that you're talking
about there.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, yeah. And look, it's uncomfortable. Those film sessions.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
You know, whenever Michigan does it, whether they convene on
Sundays or oftentimes it'll be Monday, you break down the
film in college football and you.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Got to own it. You have to own all your mistakes.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
And there's going to be plenty to go around for
Michigan heading into week two of their college football season.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
And you got to fix it.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
And so, look, like I said, do I think Michigan
is the team that that you saw in week one
against Western Michigan?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
No, no, I don't.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
I think they're more talented than that. I think this
team sleptwalked. through the first quarter, maybe two quarters of
this game, and they allowed a team who didn't really
have a shot to believe in themselves. And, again, credit
where credit's due. The Western Michigan team that we saw
take on UM at the big house, they had a

(48:29):
better plan.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
They knew exactly what they.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Needed to do to execute in a game where they
knew if we could just keep it close, we'll give
ourselves a chance.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Well, they did that and more. They even... you know,
forced some turnovers. They controlled the clock. They were able to.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Just have these lengthy drives that really played keep away
because the most dangerous part about Michigan is frankly that offense.
And if you can just keep the ball away from
all those playmakers, you can really set yourself up. And
that's exactly what happened. So I think Michigan will rebound.
I think this will turn out to be a better
season than the forecasters may have you believe. And, and yeah,

(49:09):
I think, I think that was a perfect, illustration of
how you should feel after a game by Don Nichols,
the quote you just read, this idea that you got
to eat this one. You got to feel sick for
about 24, 48 hours. And then you got to bury
this film and move on and learn from it. Because
if you don't, it'll haunt you for the rest.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Of the season.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
And certainly as soon as week two, because number 10
Oklahoma is now going to the big house. in this
next game, that's going to be such a critical test
for them to make these kind of corrections, Rich, as
far as the way that they were slow to start
because that was not the opposite case for the Sooners.
John Mateer looked excellent in his first game out so

(49:52):
far this season. Isaiah Cetania continues to be one of
the most electric playmakers in the country. That defense, Brent Venables,
is going to try and put Bryce Underwood down in
a blender if he can, which is, again, going to
be an interesting part of that matchup.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I wonder if there's one thing that.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
You would like to see Michigan improve on ahead of
that Oklahoma date.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
What would it be?

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Well, really what it needs to be is third down defense.
I mean, you've got to find a way to put
teams in situations where they're a little more one-dimensional on
third down. The reason why Western Michigan had so much
success is because they kept having these third and manageable opportunities.
And when they were longer opportunities, they were still finding

(50:38):
ways to convert. You've got to be better on third down.
too simple of a discussion because obviously you need to
protect the football better. You cannot give a team three
turnovers and expect to win. You just can't. Turnovers are

(50:58):
the biggest factor maybe in football. But third down defense,
assuming that ball security doesn't become a season-long plague that
Michigan has to deal with, Third down defense is so crucial.
You got to find a way to get an offense
off the field, get the ball back for your offense,
and play the field position game and have things weigh

(51:18):
in your favor. Otherwise, you just can't play. You can't
play with the big boys. And Kyle Whittingham knows that.
And Kyle Whittingham at Utah was known for that, Buck.
We've watched plenty of Utes football over the years.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
He did such a good job.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
In the trenches with his front seven, that was a
nasty crew every year. You knew you were in for
a fist fight every time you played against Utah and
Kyle Whittingham's bunch on defense. And so he's got to
instill that same ferocity on that Michigan defensive line, and
then they'll shore things up.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
So they've got to be better on third down.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
We've got a number of college football games today. We've
already talked about Louisville and Ole Miss just a little bit,
but Rich has a game that he wants to focus
on in particular and maybe some lines, courtesy of Underdog,
that we want to talk about as well. We'll do
that coming up next on this Fox Football Sunday. Welcome
back on this Fox Football Sunday presented by Underdog.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
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unleash your dog.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Terms do apply. So speaking of underdog, we've got.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
A number of different lines here on these three college
football games today. Washington State and Washington. Louisville and Ole
Miss taking place here in Nashville. And then Wisconsin. and
Notre Dame kicking off at about the same time. Rich,
we've talked a little bit about the Louisville-Ole Miss game,
but from a fantasy standpoint, or rather a gambling standpoint,

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looking at the spreads on these games, looking at the
point totals and the money lines.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
What do you like about the slate?

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yeah, I really like Louisville getting the points, heading to
a neutral side against Ole Miss. I think this is
going to be a ball game for the Rebs.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
So I'm riding a two-leg.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
College football combo tonight.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And I'll take Louisville plus the 6.5.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Points they're getting at Ole Miss, but again, in Tennessee,
so it's not really a home game for the Rebels.
And then also Notre Dame. Now, I caught this yesterday,
and when I caught it, it hadn't gone through the
key number of 21. I grabbed Notre Dame minus 20.5.
It has since moved a lot of money coming in

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on Notre Dame to 21.5 against Wisconsin. I like Louisville
because I'm getting nearly a touchdown and because Jeff Braum's
teams are usually too competent offensively to get just buried
by their opponents. And on the other side, I'm just
trusting Notre Dame's talent advantage to show up over four
quarters against Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
That could have.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Real trouble generating offense against an unbelievably fierce Irish defense.
That's one of the top units in the nation. They
returned a bunch of help defensively. And so even at
21 and a half, I'd be happy to take the
Fighting Irish. I think they're really going to show out today. Again,

(54:24):
another neutral site game, but I'm sure it's going to
be more of a bowl game atmosphere at Lambeau.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
So, yeah, if you want to bunch them up, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Take the six and a half from Louisville and then
add to that the 21 and a half points that...
Notre Dame's favored by, you could get just about four
times your money, whatever you end up investing in that.
But a little sprinkling on a two-leg parlay, that's what
I'm looking at today.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
That'd be a great Sunday, a way to get your
Sunday started. As far as Louisville goes, Rich, when you've
got so many changes with the roster, especially in college football,
the current state of college sports right now, that can
bring so much unpredictability into a key game, especially a
week one game, right?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
When you're going to have the most amount of.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Variance, it feels like, whether it's college or pro, but
especially in college, because these guys don't get a preseason.
So I wonder how you kind of factored in those
variables as far as making your pick there.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah, I mean, really, there is a lot of thought
process that goes into where's.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
The venue, first of all.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
So, I mean, obviously, if this game was being played
in Mississippi, my opinions may have been altered depending on
the point spread that we're looking at.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
But then also.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Just the readiness of teams under certain coaches. There's a
great unknown with Golding taking over for Lane Kiffin with
Ole Miss, whereas there's consistency with Jeff Brom. And as
I mentioned, I'm a big fan of his offenses. I
think he does a really, really nice job starting fast.
He usually has a great game script to start games with.

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And I think he usually has a really, really solid
strategy in the first half, especially on third downs. So
if you're looking at a team to get an early lead,
you know, I haven't taken a look at the first half.
but that might even be a spot you like to.
Say you're convinced Ole Miss is going to find a

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way to beat Louisville. There's no question in your mind
that this is going to be an Ole Miss win,
but you're curious to see whether they start fast against
Louisville or not. You could also take Louisville on the
money line in the first half, and you could even
parlay that with ultimately a win for Ole Miss in

(56:47):
the end of the game. And that could be a
fun parlay where you'd boost your odds a bunch. But
that's what I like about Jeff Brom's teams is they
typically start fast.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It's going to be a good atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Both fan bases within driving distance, obviously, in Nashville. And
a cooler atmosphere for the two teams on the field today.
We finally got under 100 degrees for the first time
this week, Rich. So, just a reasonable 95 today in
Nashville at kickoff time.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, my gosh. That's muggy weather, man. I remember.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
All throughout my playing career, for the most part, I
was in some of the more humid areas. You know, look, Pennsylvania,
not a lot of people think of it as like
a really hot climate. But in the summertime when it's
90 degrees, when I was playing at Penn State and
the humidity climbs up over 70 degrees because you're getting

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thunderstorms or rainstorms at the end of the summer, it's
brutal or the beginning of the fall. Same thing in
New England when I was with the Patriots. It can
really get cooking. And so Tennessee, Nashville, man, September games
in Nashville, they can be absolutely awful. I remember one
time playing a preseason game against the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I was seeing stars.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
I was so dehydrated from all the water I was
losing on a humid day at the end of the preseason. So, yeah, it's...
At least the temperatures back down a little bit for
these teams you're going to be facing off today.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
It's not quite Miami, the visitor sideline, where you're just
directly in the sun and they're roasting you intentionally, but
there's not a lot of protection. from the elements in
that stadium, especially for how often they play, at least
on the pro side of things at noon at Nissan Stadium.
As far as Notre Dame and Wisconsin, you mentioned your

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pick and your logic. Just with Notre Dame and season expectations, C.J.
Carr is coming in here as, at least in most
places that I've looked, the Heisman Trophy favorite. At the
start of the season, they are losing, obviously, a huge
part of their identity in Jeremiah Love and Jadarian Price
going to the NFL. They're a two-headed monster of a

(58:59):
running back situation, with obviously Love being one of the
best running backs we've seen in quite some time. As
far as what you make of cj carr and his
ability to continue to elevate what did you see from
him last season that makes you think he's capable in ascending.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Well i would say quietly cj carr kind of had
a monster of a first season as notre dame starter
uh 2700 yards plus passing 24 touchdowns touchdown pass in
every single game he appeared in and the second best
yards per attempt figure among returning power force starting quarterbacks

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he was impressive they also averaged over 41 points per
game which was good for second nationally and that's the
reason why Notre Dame along with this tremendous defense they're
returning they're at the mountain top of the mountaintop in
terms of college football championship odds, right? And that matters
because when, you know, you look at Wisconsin, you know, who,

(59:57):
if they fall behind early in this game against a
talent like CJ Carr and an offense like Notre Dame has,
that's going to get that's going to become overwhelming extremely quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Because how do you dig yourself out of the hole? Well,
you've got to throw. You've got to throw the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
So if all of a sudden it's a two-score lead
that Wisconsin's got to be chasing, I just don't think
that Wisconsin has the power offensively from their skill position
and also from their quarterback to keep up in a
game like that. And I think Notre Dame will keep
pouring it on. It's just the world we live in

(01:00:37):
in college football now. At the end of games, oftentimes,
especially early in the season, you don't see teams kneeling on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
The ball to tick off the rest of the clock.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
You see them trying to rush the ball in one
more time or throw a touchdown pass because we know
that point disparities sometimes come up in conversation sometimes. When
the end of the season's here and we're discussing rankings,
final rankings. So if you beat Wisconsin by, you know,
51 instead of, you know, 48 or 47 instead of 40.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I mean, like it matters. It really matters.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
It's a bizarre time in college football. But I could
see this being a runaway train for Notre Dame and
the Irish team. Taking on Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
We're going to keep.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Talking about college football and surprising week one performances because
I have to imagine whether you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Were just a college football viewer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Or somebody with a little action on that game that
Oregon was making you sweat yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
We'll do that here in just a second. But first,
Isaac Lohengron is going to get us caught up.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
Guys, he's here in the room with me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Mr.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Broadcast Body Count himself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
No, he just left.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Stormed out. Leave a behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
He's coming to harass me. Yeah, yeah. Can you see
him through the window? Is it Steve Hartman?

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
He's on his way.

Speaker 7 (01:02:33):
It's the first time I've ever seen Hartman walk away
from an on-air light. Anyway, our top story on this Sunday,
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has officially finalized a four-year contract
extension through March of 2031. We've got one Major League
Baseball game going on right now in Cincinnati as the

(01:02:54):
Reds up 6-3 over the Milwaukee Brewers in the bottom
of the fourth inning. Cincinnati's Eli De La Cruz just
hit a two-run home run his 23rd of the season.
In college football overnight, the Big Ten released a statement
saying that a Western Michigan player made contact with a
Michigan Hail Mary attempt with one second left. It also
released internal video of the review that shows the Western

(01:03:16):
Michigan player touching the ball with one second left on
the game clock in the stadium. However, the statement in
video did not explain why the game clock on the
TV telecast showed that time had expired before the Western
Michigan player touched the ball. The Mid-American Conference, the Western
Michigan Conference, released a statement accepting the Big Ten Conference's explanation.

(01:03:40):
Number 16 Michigan completed its second Hail Mary attempt for
a 13-12 win. Also on Saturday night, 11th ranked LSU
blew out Clemson 51-10.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
8 Texas A & M beat Missouri State 50-0. And guys,
that brings us to one of the best parts of
the start of a new college football season, the return
of the Texas A & M campus police department live-tweeting
the incidents that occur during home games at Kyle Field.

(01:04:13):
Here's just a small sample of last night's hijinks, and shenanigans.
Responded to intoxicated subject section 117. Subject was belligerent and
wanted to fight the person behind him. When questioned by police,
subject said to take him to jail.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
We did.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
Section 100A. Subject saw officer and began to walk into crowd.
As officer approached, she threw her drink on the ground.
Citation issued. Public intoxication, second-level bathroom, subject was sick and emotional,
released to sober cousin. And finally, responded to a report

(01:04:57):
of intoxicated subject in Section 233, given several opportunities to
call a friend, but subject said he had, quote, nothing
to say, unquote, arrested. Blood alcohol level. 216.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Whoa.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Back to you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Public record.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Back to you. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
He's Rich Hornberger. I'm Buck Rising. Thank you, Isaac Lohenkron.
All of those deeply relatable.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
That gentleman was 20% alcohol. That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
My guy was having a night. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
That's not going to feel pleasant on a number of
different fronts. I'm sure, today. So, beyond the scare of
the BAC level, Kyle Field, a number of scares yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Man, Rich, I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
You had a favorite game or a most surprising outcome
or a player that maybe caught your attention that you
had expectations for, maybe somebody even that you didn't. But
I'm telling you, for as poorly played as it felt
like the vast majority of this game was, from situational
football to Missed opportunities to quarterback play, to tackling and

(01:06:13):
things of that nature. The finish in Auburn-Baylor might have
been my favorite moment from yesterday's college football game. This
is a ridiculous, ridiculous set up. for the Tigers who
just got away with it by their teeth at home
against a Baylor team that had scored and was getting
ready to go for the two-point conversion and about as

(01:06:34):
sound a tackle as I've ever seen on a goal
line pass for the two-point play where I think the
guy's a tight end, catches it, gets ready to turn
up field and just gets stuck. It can make even
a not aesthetically pleasing college football game Just completely electrified
the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
That was awesome to see yesterday. That might have been
my favorite moment of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Yeah, I would say the biggest and maybe, I would argue,
my favorite moment overall, although it didn't feel like much
of a game, was getting an answer to the question of,
how's LSU going to look? How's LSU going to look
in a big game? First rattle out of the box
for Lane Kiffin. and this rebuilt LSU roster that has

(01:07:21):
been assembled through the transfer portal and a tremendous amount
of money backing up those decisions that Lane Kiffin made,
and all of the press that Lane Kiffin has leaned
into this offseason. We didn't go very far throughout the
college football offseason without hearing his name mentioned. And Lane

(01:07:42):
likes to keep himself in the limelight. You know, his
strategy coaching reminds me sort of of how Rex Ryan
used to run his teams in the NFL. He made
himself a storyline. And maybe in part of it, it
was to shield his players.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
From ever becoming a storyline.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
So it felt like a three ring circus when Rex
Ryan was the head coach of the New York Jets.
But he was taking a lot of the bullets for
the team, you know, instead of people focusing in on
Mark Sanchez, who sort of felt like a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
A game manager at times and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
It's the big lights of New York City and how
that press pool can really harass a starting quarterback. It
was usually Rex taking all the slings and arrows, and
it shielded his roster. And so I kind of feel
like Lane Kiffin does the same thing to a certain extent,
although I do also know for a fact that he

(01:08:36):
loves the attention he gets. He likes the fact that
there's some fame attached to what he does. And it
only helps the program as it builds. And we got
a lot of answers to questions. You know, Levitt looks great.
That offense, that rushing offense with some holdovers from a
year ago looks great. And then most importantly, arguably the

(01:08:56):
most important statistic of the night was what they did.
against clemson on third down shutting them down so i
think that was the result i was waiting to see
the most and i don't know if it was exciting
but it definitely answered a lot of questions i had
coming into week one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
No, but I mean, as we touched on earlier, it's
just such a resounding statement, right? Because there still is
some shock factor in seeing Clemson, a very proud and
championship caliber program, maybe not this specific season or last
season necessarily, but in recent history.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Just get absolutely dog walked.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
And to your point about the atmosphere that Lane creates,
because obviously every coach comes from a school of thought
or has a strategy or provides their own wrinkles to
something that they've learned along the way. And God knows
Lane Kiffin has had many, many learning experiences across his
coaching career. He's got a lot of different things to
pull on, however he goes about it. And from a

(01:09:53):
player's standpoint, from a locker room standpoint, Rich, There may
be something to the idea, and I wonder if you
have any thoughts on this, the idea of just creating
so much chaos externally if you're Lane, like you're talking
about making yourself the story as opposed to people hyper
fixating on the players and the performance and the individuals

(01:10:14):
on the team and just locking in on the most
famous face that you know, which is Lane Kiffin himself.
in a Vanity Fair article this year, talking about civil
rights advocacy at Mississippi, which was just one of the
funnier storylines I can remember in quite some time. But
then you get to game day as a football team,
and provided that you are properly prepared, properly coached, obviously

(01:10:37):
we understand that Lane Kiffin knows how to run a
high-level college football.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Program at this point in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
You get to game day and everything else just seems
like a breeze because at that point, you just focus
on the football. You just focus on whipping the guy's
ass who's lined up across from you. So I don't
know if it works everywhere, and it probably doesn't work
for every team or every spot that Lane's been in,
but there does seem to be a bit more calculation
to it than we might otherwise give him credit for.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Yeah, I think there actually is. And again, I think
it would be a lot harder for him to do
that if he naturally didn't like the attention, if he
didn't like the smoke that came with a decision made.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
If he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Like telling Holly Roe walking off the field, just imagine if.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
We had pro players, that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
If he was an introvert by nature, this would be
a really tough pill to swallow for Lane Kiffin on
a weekly, monthly, annual basis. to try to keep himself
in the media's eye and keep him, whether for good
or for bad, keep the attention squarely on him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
But he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Lane Kiffin is an extrovert by nature, so this is
almost playing into that as a strength. He knows who
he is. I think he embraces it. I don't think
he loves all of it. I think there have been
times where Lane Kiffin, and I believe admittedly so, has
embarrassed himself enough sort of stepping in it on numerous occasions.

(01:12:12):
But when you live a public life, and he has
lived a very public life, there's some crosses that you
need to bear as you walk that path, and he has.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
He's borne a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
So I look at Lane Kiffin, and I think to myself, like,
all right, well, is it all bad? Well, no. Because again,
some of that attention grabbing can be good to take
the heat off your roster.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
And then on top of it, in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Today's college football climate, if you're going to try to
attract and lure some 18 to 22-year-old players to a
program where they're choosing between Texas, Ole Miss, Alabama, maybe
some of the teams that are further north in the
Big Ten, Oregon or or Ohio State, and you're trying

(01:13:01):
to say, like, hey, come here instead, well, what do
you have to offer us? Well, not only am I
going to offer you the money, every school has money,
but also look at the attention my program gets. If
you want your name to have as much name recognition
as it possibly could have, because we know that Fame
at this point is a tradable, marketable asset.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
In this country. We live in an attention economy. Well,
then come to LSU.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
What are you thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
You're going to go to Ohio State?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
You're just going to be another anonymous player on Jason
Day's team. Oh, you want to go play for Dan Lanning?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
And anybody who talks about an Oregon Duck nationally, you
come to LSU, I'll make you a star. I'll make
you a star just like me, just like your head coach,
Lane Kiffin. I mean, does the pitch sound like that? No,
but all that's assumed while you're going through the process,
and I think it's a big selling point now for
certain recruits.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Posted right after we get off the air.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
A lot of college football today, a little bit of
NFL football to wrap. Rich Orenberger, Buck Rising, hanging out
with you on Fox Sports Radio. Wrapping up on this
Fox Football Sunday, but a lot of fun hanging out
with Rich Orenberger. Buddies, really appreciate you spending some time
on your Sunday. I know you guys do a great
job on the weekends, on a normal basis here on FSR,

(01:14:45):
but it's been a lot of fun for me to
spend some time with you here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, this has been a blast. It's a quick show, man,
two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
You can do that standing on your head when you
have all this football to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
So I'm glad to be with you, Buck.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yeah, we're barely just stretching our legs, which means we've
got one segment left, and that's the only place that
we've had to put the NFL, given that it's the
last time, at least for me, that I'll be on
the air for Fox before the NFL season officially gets underway.
Wednesday night, New England at Seattle. Rich, a matchup, a rematch,
a Super Bowl rematch that none of us asked for,

(01:15:20):
and yet the NFL will give us anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
It does expect....

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
To be a little more competitive because I do genuinely,
despite New England's, it's not even New England's chaotic offseason.
It's been a chaotic offseason for Mike Vrabel off the
field reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum at this
point in time. I know there's been some recent developments
as far as that goes that Mike's been asked about
at press conferences. but nothing, I think, of consequence that

(01:15:45):
would impact the actual game. Now the defending Super Bowl
champions who retain a good bit of their roster from
that championship team, very rare to see the lack of
attrition on a Super Bowl roster. Seattle, of course, losing
the MVP, and Kenneth Walker, he goes to Kansas City,
but for the most part, most of those players are returning.

(01:16:05):
in that title defense. I am curious to see what
this is going to look like since it's a game
that we're going to get one way or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I still expect the results to largely be the same.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
You know, I don't, and it's because of some key
acquisitions for the Patriots this offseason.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
I think that giving a team like New England.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Who has added help, especially for Drake May offensively, with A.J.
Brown coming over from the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Three and a half points.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
It feels like a little too much respect for the
reigning Super Bowl champ, especially since the most recent film
you have that you can study if you're the New
England Patriots is against your opening day team. You know,
they get to go back and look at the Super
Bowl film and say, hey, this is only a couple
of months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
The roster is largely the same. What can we do better?

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
And even though this game's being played in Seattle, that
gives you a distinct advantage to sort of fix the
tape and to learn from it. Whereas a lot of
times you sort of bury the tape when you play
Super Bowl and lose.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
You know, you sort of say, well, better luck next time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Or, you know, they had a lot of roster churn,
so we can't really trust that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Not this time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
You know, the Super Bowl score was more lopsided than
the underlying offensive matchup. Seattle won 29-13 in that Super Bowl,
but its offense, it wasn't spectacular. Sam Darnold, he went
just 19 of 38 for a little over 200 yards. JSN,
he was held to four catches on 10 targets for

(01:17:47):
27 yards. Seattle also got a defensive touchdown, another touchdown
drive that began after a turnover in plus territory. So
when you think about that, you sort of esponge the
turnovers from New England and you look at the offensive
production of Seattle, you say, man, that would have been
a completely different game. Now those things happened. But those

(01:18:08):
are things absolutely that New England can clean up in
this next matchup.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Well, and you bring up JSN, the reigning offensive player
of the year, not having this kind of game-changing performance.
Christian Gonzalez, I hadn't watched that game back in a while, Rich.
It was on TV recently, so I sat down and watched.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
You know, about two and a half, three quarters of it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Christian Gonzalez was just spectacular.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
In that game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
The New England defense really did its job on the day,
which is to try and limit JSN in that spot.
They just left opportunities for guys like A.J. Barner, the
tight end, to be able to take advantage. I think
he had about four catches, four or five catches and
a touchdown in that game for Seattle. But that was
the thing that made that performance, I think, all the
more impressive to me, Rich, from Seattle's standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Obviously, they were the more equipped team. They were the
better team.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
But they were just able to lean on that run
game in moments where the passing game wasn't getting it
done for them. I'll be curious to see what that
looks like for them this time around.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
And I would say the biggest concern for New England
is it remains exactly the same past protection for Drake May.
He was sacked six times in the Super Bowl. So
in this season opener, we're going to need to see
better protection for him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
A.J. Brown's a great equalizer.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Seattle's biggest Super Bowl advantage has left, and that was
Kenneth Walker. So we'll see how it shakes out, but
it'll be, like you said, the start nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Asked for, but it's the start to the season we get.
It'll be the Super Bowl rematch. No doubt. No doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
It's just funny to me to see Vrabel and A.J.
and Kevin Byard, all the guys that I had here
in Tennessee for like six years, all in New England
trying to do it again. Rich, appreciate you hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Stick around. Keep it locked on Fox Sports Radio.