FnA with Adam Ausland and Kevin Figgers talk Bam's 83-point game, Daryl Morey's comments about the 3PT line being moved back, and NFL Free Agency!

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Trying to get my bearings coming off of big Clippers
victory over the Chicago Bulls, jugging out Chicago Bulls. Yeah, yeah,
it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Google the Clippers. They won tonight.

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Horse Grant out there. MJ Landa Warwich made a cameo.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I don't forget Pip Yeah, Derek Rose in his knees. Okay,
maybe it wasn't that big of a victory. We got
a big show for you though here tonight, including a
lot of NFL free agency talk. We'll get into that
in a little bit. Second hour, we do have an
interview with Mike Jones. Mike Jones.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
No, I'm a man.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
From the city of Syrup. No no, no, not him,
not the rapper.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Now they all on me, Yeah, exactly. Back then it
didn't want me. Now hot, they all ow me. Now
we're all on. Mike Jones from the Athletic covers the
NFL senior NFL writer, he's gonna talk free agency, the
botched or Knicks or whatever you want to call it,
Max Crosby trade between the Raiders and the Ravens will
get into that and among some other things.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
So that's coming. That's coming up an hour two of
the show.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Uh, Magic City Night was canceled by the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Devastating.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
I think that was supposed to happen on Monday. Yes,
it's not happening. Now we'll tell you why and if
the league made the right decision here, Plus Darryl Moury
has thoughts about changing the game after he already changed
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
And uh, and Draymond Green has thoughts on Darryl Morriy's thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Oh, we have thoughts on Jerry Mond's thoughts on Daryl
Morris thoughts. That's right, Stay with us and then we'll
take your phone calls and see if you like this
idea to tweak the NBA a little bit. But let's go.
First off, Kevin, it's time to get into it. NFL
free agency is so hot right now.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
The time, let's wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
So what are the headlines on the NFL starting quarterbacks?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
What are the headlines on the starting quarterbacks. You sound
so angry.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
What are the headlines on the announcement of starting quarterback?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's nicer. You know, we saw his old radio part
he did today.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, Steve Harbin, our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio,
did some filling work on our local affiliate, A five
seventy LA Sports.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Got a great chance to catch up with Steve Harbin
on the air.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Off the air, ears falling off everywhere he goes because
he'll talk your ear.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You know, you do the slow back away, the uh
huh oh for real, no, no way, put your hand
on the door, Kevin, and Steve just keeps on going.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I had like a triple threat back away that I
did with him today, and the tractor beam kept pulling
me back in. Just when I thought I was out,
Steve Hartman's conversation talking about I don't know, gossip here
at Fox Sports Radio had me. I had like a
glass up to my ear and I was listening in
the door. Type of thing. Steve Hartman is just he

(03:02):
is encapsulating, he is intriguing.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
He is so good to catch up with Steve. And
of course that was paddle O'Brian See's from a radio partner.
Pat not in the Pat not doing well at this
point in time, So our thoughts and preys go up
with him right now. So all all the best we
wished our our old friend, Pat O'Brien and all colleague
here at Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
We love you, yes, but what else could we love you?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Adam? He gave you his business car. For God's sake,
Come on.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
That was the greatest Christmas gift ever. Pat O'Brien. I
kept asking him over and over again, Hey, give me
your number, because it'll just be cool to have Padd
O'Brien's number. He's Allegendace. I did say it to your
face the first time I saw you. I mean he
was working for CBS. The golden age of basketball in
the eighties.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Built the NBA, a CBS.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Just ask him. I mean him Magic Bird and Jordan,
the Big Four. Those are the That's the Mount rushmore
right there. He interviewed MJ before and after his sixty
three point game against Boston Boston Celtics. She lost, but hey,
you know had to go in overtime to get to
sixty three. But details, Oh, by the way, we'll talk

(04:07):
about man out of bio maybe later too.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh yeah, exactly. It's a little bit of controversy around
that earlier this week as well.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
But padd O'Brien, I kept asking for his phone number
because you know, not that I was going to steal
his phone and get his roll of Dex and get
access to all the celebrities and everybody that he knows.
It's not funny. That wouldn't be funny. I just want
his now.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
You thought it would give you more raal points, you
know what?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
You know what Adam was trying to do is like,
hey girl, look at this, look at this roll of decks.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, padd O'Brien, you know pob hate you see
I do? Did you know about that?

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Girl?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Having his number is like him having Jeter's number, right,
That's what it would be like for me. And so
eventually I kept bugging him about it, and that I
think I gave up. And then six months later, Christmas
comes around. He hands me a wrapped box. It's like
a shoe box and it's very light. I know there's
no Jordan's in there. I know there's no beats in
there for me. Those all went to Sambotesh, but in there.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Shout out Sam Sam still floating out there. Man, I
love you Sam.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, go go La Kings. They gonna make the playoffs
probably maybe, I don't know. Uh, Pat O'Brien in that
shoe box that was well wrapped. All it was was
his business card and his phone number. And I finally
got it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
And did you try and you tried to call the
phone number? What happened the number you have dialed?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Cr Yeah, it was kind of like that. Actually, you
know what's crazy? Like, you know how you get like
a ring back jingle with some people? Yes, do you
know what it was? For Pat? It was a Beatles song.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm getting well, you know, peculate claim to be the
impetus for that. He said, you know what, I built
your jingle. That jingle wouldn't exist if it weren't for me.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
You know, build inland empire than that.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's right, you know what?

Speaker 7 (05:56):
Pat?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
One hundred percent trough y one hundred percent tru We
love you, Pat, But I was again to the NFL
free agency headlines. Of course, the biggest quarterback story coming
out of the week happened earlier today, or as a
matter of fact, on Thursday night. The Minnesota Vikings, agreeing
to a one year contract with Kyler Murray X of
the Arizona Cardinals, the man who has all the potential
and is one of the most frustrating players. If you're

(06:16):
a Cardinal fan or a fan of Kyler Murray, probably
one of the most frustrating players you've ever watched play,
because he can look spectacular one week and look like
he doesn't even belong to the league in the next week.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Here's the thing, though, Yes you know, I mean, how
many great quarterbacks of the Arizona Cardinals had. How many
great seasons have the Arizona Cardinals had. It's you, it's me,
That's what maybe they're saying to Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh yeah, Carson Palmer got him to the NFC title Game.
Kurt Warner got him to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
All right, I'm sorry out Jake Plumber.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know, Jake Plumber made some play.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
She what's plucky plucky Plumy plucky. Jake Plucky was tough
out there. I think they made the playoffs one time.
Lost immediately. I think goes Dallas. No, maybe they beat
Dallas in a playoff game with Jake Plumber running around.
I'm thinking about Arizona State. Maybe my mind is falling apart.
But Kyler Murray, he's the number one overall pick. He

(07:12):
has all the talent in the world. I don't know
at the age of twenty eight. And I know he's
had acl and he's had some issues and some injuries,
and he's been very injury prone. But how many coaches
has he gone through? I know eventually he got you know,
his Cinderellas Shoe type of coach with Cliff Kingsbury, and
still that wasn't enough.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
But that's that's how he started. He started with Ingsbury.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
I'm just saying, like, yeah, he wanted him in college,
and eventually Cliff Kingsbury got him in the pros even
though they had Josh Rosen, the Rosen one who they
had just taken with the tenth overall pick. And maybe
it was the right move to move on from him,
maybe considering he's not in the league anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, I should say that probably the right move.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
It's circumstantial. Maybe if he went to a different team,
Josh Rosen would be a Hall of Famer. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I guess it's possible, though, I mean, Josh Rosen I
think went to the Dolphins. I feel like you may
have gone to training camp with John Grutin and the
Raiders or something like that, as if he didn't have
other opportunities to try to break through.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
You're right, he was just looking for a good hot tub. Yeah,
the hot tub time machine actually where he could go
back to his hot tub in his dorm room at UCLA.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
So a big question everyone's asking though, is if Kyler
Murray can be revived, can he be the next Sam Donald?
Can he be the next Baker Mayfield. The issue is,
at least for me, is the Sam Darnald comparisons. I
think they're completely different. Like Donald's issues, I think were
more confidence based between the Ears, didn't have a lot
of talent around him with the New York Jets, didn't
have a lot of great infrastructure. Obviously, that affected his

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confidence and that affected his style of play. Now, the
Cardinals aren't necessarily the bashes of consistency either when it
comes from an organizational standpoint.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
But Kyler Murray, we kind of saw it. We've seen
the town.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
We've seen him throw for thirty eight hundred yards twenty
five touchdowns, the most interceptions he's ever thrown in a
season is twelve, which is really not that many. So
he's had the production, he just doesn't have the consistency.
And then we talk about the contract and whether or
not he's playing too me the video games and how
dedicated he actually is, which tells you, if that is
an issue, how good he can be because he's not

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dedicated more than half the time seemingly, yet he's still
able to put up really good numbers and be productive.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
If he's playing Call of Duty while watching game tape
on this upcoming opponent and still throws for three hundred
and two touchdowns, that's kind of impressive multitasking.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's great if you could do that, you know, fourteen
times a year as opposed to two.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
And that's the issue.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
What if it's like, OK, you can play, but you
can only play Madden because of sports.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
If it's in the game, it's in the game.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, that's how it works. That can actually make you
better as a quarterback. I don't think on a veteran's
minimum salary that he's on now, they would have a
clause like that. It is contract at this point, it's
his job. If there's ever a time he's not going
to be playing video games like me when I got punished.
Your best gifts ultimately work against you as a kid

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because they use it against you as punishment for anything.
Your parents get you the Nintendo, well that just means
you do something wrong. It's basically something they can use
to keep you in line, if anything.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Now, when that happened to you, did your parents actually
like take your Nintendo or your Sega Genesis and they
said I'm gonna lock it away and take it and
lock it somewhere where you actually had no access to it?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Or was it full honor system?

Speaker 4 (10:19):
They knew I was a good enough kid that you know.
I never snuck in and looked in the closet to
see what I was getting for Christmas or anything like that.
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Kevin never does that I was a good boy. Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I was a boy scout.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I wasn't, but I was, and I did do that stuff,
and I was a boy scout.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
They didn't lock it up because you know, I still
had my game gear to fall back off.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, that's what it was. You didn't say I couldn't
play the game gear.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, technically I still have my Tiger Electronics watch. Actually,
this little Mario watch. I could play on, but Kyler
Murray is going to be on his best behavior. He
will not be playing video games because he knows that
big payday comes after this season.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
It is a proven year, So this is the thing
you mentioned, prove a year.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
If he does not produce this season and have, if
not the best season of his career close to it,
then I think we must talk at about, Yeah, your
your career is over. Maybe you should go call the
Oakland or whatever the hell they're plan now and go
play baseball with them.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
If you're not thriving with KOC because he is a
proven quarterback, whisperer.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Uh, this is JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Well, his career might be dead now too. I already
feel like Kyler Murray it's his job to lose, even
though he's not the incumbent here.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
KOC said all the right things about strengthening our quarterback
room and spirit of competition.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Is Kyler Murray's job to lose.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
We all know that if you don't perform with KOC,
it's not a reflection on him, it's a reflection on you.
It's an indictment on you. So that's going to be
an admission of failure. If he cannot ball out this
year and help them win ten eleven, twelve games. Because
the Vikings have a good team that's pretty much ready
made outside of a consistent quarterback.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
They have all the weapons.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Jefferson Addison if his head is on straight, TJ. Hockinson,
bring Aaron Jones back, tueda monster. There are running back.
All the pieces to you to your point are in
place for them to be able to succeed. The only
the better fit I think for him probably would have
been in Atlanta with Kevin Stefanski. Now he and AOC
basically have KOC. There's a forty inth slip.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
He and Koc have basically the same back politics. I
gotta be honest, nice video games, but the same background.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
From an offensive standpoint, they're West Coast Shanahan, you know,
kind of guys Brad Children's Disciples, So it'll be the
same offense, but you'd have that dynamic running back in
Bijon Robinson. Something that Kyler Murray has never really had
in his career is a real good run game to
lean on.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
He's worked out of the shotgun.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I think that's probably mostly because he's because of his
height and he just can't see you over the line.
So it's best for him to work out of the shotgun.
But if he had a running game to be able
to help him, I think that would work more optimally. Now,
he did say he grew up a Vikings fan because
his little league team was the Vikings, and so he
said he cried tears in two thousand and nine when
Brett Fahr through that interception against the Saints in the

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Bounty Gate game.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
How'd that sound go? On the radio, Kevin? How'd that go?
This is at Detroit, mad this is the super Bowl,
and now I'll be Kyler Murray. That's what it was
like watching that. How old was he then? Was he ten?
Was he that young? But if he was sixteen or
something he was crying. That's not okay, I understand it.
Really strong men also cry, all right, roll.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Let in a little bit of emotion.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
Now.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I'm pretty sure though his tears, you know, they weren't long.
He was on the video games right after. I'm sure
like he won the Super Bowl in Madden for the
Vikings right after that, Evan, we all won the Super
Bowl with our favorite team of Madden.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Even if it's the trashiest I'm pretty sure I won
the Super Bowl with the Raiders with JaMarcus Russell, which
if you want to have it, anything to tell you
that something is reality versus fantasy.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right there, there you go?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Was it on easier the Raiders say? Okay, let's say
you're in the Super Bowl on Madden or any NFL
video game, right and you throw a game losing interception
like midway of that ball going into the hands of
like a Sante Samuel or whatever. Do you hit a
power off like see, you don't have to see the
final score. Technically the game didn't end. I get another shot.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
At a certain point in my life, I did do that,
and then at a certain point I was like, no,
this can't be fair. This I got to use this
as motivation going into next season. So I just own
the loss. Now, what you could do in certain advanced
versions of MAT and you can just simulate the end
of the game. So a lot of times it was like,
I just do my seventh interception and I'm losing by
three touchdowns with three minutes left. I was like, I
don't need this. Let me just go ahead and simulate

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to the end. Get to get to the off seat.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I didn't lose. Y'all lost exactly. I simulated this in
my franchise mode some more.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Quarterback headlines to get to controversial one for a lot
of people that I don't really understand why it's controversial
down in Miami. So we'll talk about that among some
other free agency moves. Coming up next, it's fn A
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All right, well, what were you talking about? What you're
talking about? Willis, Malik, Willis, es Milink Willis.

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one on X and a follow Adam a on X.
We spent the first seven talking about Kylin Murray falling
into Minnesota's hands on a one year contract and whether
or not he can resurrect his career with one of
the Quarterback Guru's quarterback Whisperers. One of the best teams
as far as offensive talent in the league in Minnesota

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and then the Miami Dolphins. I can't say shock the
world because I mean the general manager from Green Bay,
the head coach from green Milik Willis played last year
in green Bay, so there's some familiarity there. He was
linked by a lot of people to the Green Bay Packers,
or excuse me, to the Miami Dolphins here in the offseason.
I guess the issue I have is there's certain pundits
out there who are like, why if this doesn't make
a hesist from Miami, why are they signed this guy

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to this kind of contract.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Why would you even ponder bring him into the Miami
Why not?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
What do you have to lose?

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Honestly, I think it's a perfect situation for a guy
like him.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
You're going through a rebuild. You know, you don't have
a lot going for you.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
He's he's it's basically a low risk move if he hits,
if he looks like he has potential to kind of
break out. And I know he only threw thirty five
passes last season, and people are holding that against him,
and that's a fair criticism, But again, you're the Miami Dolphins.
If he doesn't work out, this year, you enter next
year's draft where there's six to eight, you know, top
one to three or first round to third round picks

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that you can take at quarterback potentially be your quarterback.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Of the future.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
And if he ends up hitting, you get a quarterback
who's making twenty two and a half million dollars per year.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
That's a bargain well, and from his perspective, I think
it's all that's a low risk because I don't think
you're going to be judged nearly as harshly. Of course,
as Kyler Murray is in Minnesota with a ready made team,
Miami is going through this transitional phase. They have holes
all over the roster. They have to figure a lot out.
The expectations are not going to be high. As long

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as he shows flashes to where he makes you believe that,
you know, we get him some nice supporting cast pieces
out here and maybe we'll really have something. That's all
you need to do is Malik Willis in that situation.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
What's by the way, to a certain degree, they have
Devon h Chan is excellent and really finished the season
strong for Miami. Was part of that resurgence that people
thought that Mike mc Daniel would save his job. The
offensive line not very good despite the fact that ah
Chan finished really strong. You obviously still have Jaylen Waddle
at the receiver position, so it's not like they're completely
devoid of talent, and he has a really unique skill set.

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I'm not saying that he's Lamar Jackson, but he's Lamar
Jackson esque when it comes to the talent with his legs,
having the powerful arm. He's not as refined obviously, but
if you have the right kind of offense and put
him in the right system, there's no reason why he
can't be successful if again, he puts all those tools together.
But physically speaking, he has all the physical measurables that
you would need for someone to play the quarterback position

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at a high level.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
If they win seven or eight games, that could be
viewed as a successful season. That's where the bar's at,
and that's kind of where you want to be your
first year as maybe a franchise guy. Yes, it is
an audition. He has to show signs that he can
be something you know that you can build around. At
least he can't completely flop, But he doesn't have to

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light the world on fire either.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
To be successful there, and if you're still uneven about it,
who knows how the season goes. Again, you get yourself
a draft pick, and all of a sudden you can
draft the next guy and maybe he ends up being
just a you know, a passerby just a caretaker quarterback
for a season, stopgap.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
It's not going to cost you much if you cut
him loose.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
It's not Matt Flynn with the Seahawks when they paid
him all that money and still went the other direction. Rightfully,
So with Russell Wilson, by the.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Way, if it does, that's fine too.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Like great, if you draft a guy in the fourth round,
if it's who Ty Simpson, whoever else, and they end
up blossoming, then by all means you'll take it.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You'll figure it out later.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
This is not your cap was blown up by Tua
Tagoba a Lloyd who are paying one hundred million dollars
not to play for you?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Was it ninety million of dead cap?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Ninety nine?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think it's I think it's closer than ninety nine.
Whatever it is, it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I got ninety nine problems and it's all dead cap money,
exactly paid in money. Maybe they shouldn't have paid him
that much. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well, and maybe a lot of people said at the time, look,
I know we had a really good year, but you
guys are probably getting out ahead of this, maybe a.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Year too early.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Tell Dan or Rolofski, Well, look I understand the reason
behind it. You know, it's like, you know you're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
It's hard to get a high equality quarterback who's putting
up those sorts of numbers.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
And the first couple of years the Mike McDaniel, they
were productive. Yeah, he did his thing.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now he had a ceiling and you know, cold weather
and all that stuff. In that game against Kansas City
where people literally had frostbite sitting in the stands, I
didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I don't have that.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Level of dedication as a fan. I ain't doing it.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Maybe you guys do all of love to you guys
in Kansas City or other cold weather city Chicago. I'm
not about to sit in my ass in the stands
and literally get frostbite to watch a football game not happening.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, it's not a badge of honor for me. Once
it gets to fifty degrees here in Los Angeles, oh.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm done.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yea turn up the heat bundling up.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Speaking of yes, So he signs with the Atlanta Falcons,
and I think it's I can't say phenomenal fit. I'm
not the biggest fan of Tool, to be honest with you,
he's really falling off these last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
The concussion issues.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
It's scary. Honestly, it's downright dangerous and scary. But it's
also his decision, his family's decision. All I can say
is I hope he's gonna be okay, So do I,
So do I.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
The problem is, from a pure football standpoint, everything needs
to be perfect for him to be able to succeed.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
You know on schedule plays them in timing, which again
I talked about this last segment, Kevin O'Connell, Kevin Stefanski,
rhythm and timing. West Coast guys, He'll fit right in
from an offensive standpoint, from a fit standpoint, and look,
talent wise, they got all the talent in the world.
Drake London has been is an excellent number one receiver.
Kyle Pitts finally broke out after nineteen years. He finally

(22:18):
broke out and became the player they thought he when
they drafted him out of Florida a few years back. Obviously,
they have one of the best running backs in the
entire league, if not the best running back in the league,
and b John Robinson in a great and a good
offensive line that's going to get healthy this year.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
So they have all.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
They have literally everything offensively. You were high except border
to the last season. I was, and that was because
I thought that that Michael Pennix would take the next step,
and even before he got hurt, he did not take
the next step. And by the way, by the end
of the season, they still found themselves just outside on
the outside looking into the division rates when even though
they got off to a horrible.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Start, NFC South is barely a division. Well, that's part
of the reason why I thought they compete for the division.
I think it was that good. So act like the
Panthers aren't perennial division winners because they're not.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I do like some of the moves they made infid
All right, maybe we can get to them some of them.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Although there's one I'm questioning, the fact that.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
They're hanging on to Bryce Young still is that well,
this certainly doesn't help. What do you think is going
to happen in training camp between two and Michael Pennix,
because I think it's still legitimate battle. Honestly, Oh, it is.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, obviously everything hinges on the health of Michael Pennix.
Is he going to be ready for training camp? How's
he going to look? Even when he is healthy. He's
not like he was lighting the world on fire last
year anyway.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
No, he looked like a game manager and somebody that
I don't want to say. Look, he threw the ball
around in college at what I thought was a level
that would translate better to the NFL. Honestly, maybe than
JJ McCarthy. Like JJ McCarthy. Wasn't throwing the rock around
like that J. McCarthy team around him a game, Yeah,

(23:51):
he wasn't. Michael Pennix was airing it out left and right.
And Michigan won that game, and they had thirteen guys
drafted from that team and ath oh Jji McCarthy's got
all the intelligibles, and he's a winner, and he's a
champion and all these things. Michael Pennix was the one
that made more sense to succeed.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Now, agree one hundred percent. So that's gonna be a
legitimate competition. I just think based on the health factor
to it, probably has the leg up because he's just
going to be able to take the majority of the
off season reps.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Penix is really busy rehabbing, So we'll have to see.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
No longer finds up legs up for two of here.
I'm intrigued. I do want to see how that goes.
I would love for two Dunkle Bailoa to kind of
re establish himself and prove that he can be a
better quarterback than he has been. I root for the
redemption stories.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Oh sure, I got nothing against him.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Jake Dell Holmes one of my favorite quarterbacks ever. Yeah,
he was playing in an NFL Europe.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Richer was one of those for me with the Raiders,
the cast off of Minnesota, cast off of Kansas City,
even though he played extremely well for them when Elvis
Garback got.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Hurt, give me the underdogs. I actually was helping Kirk
Cousins and he didn't play that poorly at times last season,
to be honest. They had that big victory over the Rams,
Saint Louis Rams, So I was still thinking about Kurt
Warner for a second, Cousins.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
So he's been linked to the Raiders in a move
that I think will make a hell of a lot
of sense because again Lafleur, again a Shanahan McVeigh guy,
which again kirk Cousins playing for Washington came from that tree,
played in that offense. So initially a lot of people
believe that Kirk Cousins was going to resign with the
Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think that made them the most sense.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
They maybe he was upset that they weren't willing to
pay him an ungottly amount of money on a year
to year basis like they did before, so he decided
to go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
I don't know his chain got lost somewhere that he
was wearing on the plane that one time.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
He absolutely maybe fleeced is wrong because it takes two
to tango. But the contracts that he signed in Minnesota
to get himself paid was a masterful between him and
whoever his agent is.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Well, I don't know if anybody realized. You know, he
did his achilles and that's a tough injury to recover from,
especially at like thirty six or whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
He was, Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Aaron Rodgers, he looked better this pass, but it took
a year at least. Kirk Cousins, I like that situation
with the Raiders too well.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
And that hasn't happened. That's that's what's rumored. And look
they I know the Raiders have.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Said telegraphed telemraraft.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well it better be because the problem is if you
don't sign him and your plan is not to start
Fernanda Mendoza from week one, who the hell else are
you bringing.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
In the coverage bear the Wells, Yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
There's nobody else left.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, well there is this guy who's coaching high school
football again and Philip Rivers. You know what you could
sell him on there. I would love Philip Rivers with
the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I kind of would too, to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
It's like that'd be fun.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Why the hell not? He could basically be a player.
He did. He interview for a head coaching job this.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Offseason, and people like Buffalo Bill Seriously, yeah, what are
we doing interview him to be an offensive point quarterback coach?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
But this, like, the optics are terrible.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
And when you talk about, you know, the the Accelerator
program and the lack of minority hires and candidates and
all that. You interview a guy who's never coached before. Yeah,
well not not that high school doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
But what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (27:02):
I seriously, that was overly ambitious. I think that was
the wrong move. Maybe I don't know, Maybe they were
trying to really convince him to be the backup there
or something like that. Maybe just get him in the building.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
How are you feeling about the reunion in New York
between Geno Smith and the Jets that do anything for you?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Well, I think last time he was there he got
made out. Old did that happen? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That knocked out by Ak Polly. That's what team lyingbacker,
That is true.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Broke his jaw. Yep had a drink out of a
straw for six months, like weight gainer and protein drakes
and things like that. Halthways like Kanye West back in
the day. I'm surprised. Maybe it's an only Geno thing.
Only Gina would go back to a situation like this.
Everybody else would be like, I'm scarred for life. I'm
never returning. Most quarterbacks who don't get knocked out that

(27:53):
played for the Jets are still scarred for life. Sam
Darnold's seeing ghosts, He's Haley Joel Osmond. He's like he
wanted to go back there or is that just the
best place where he has a chance to compete? And
that's how Gino.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Sees I think he saw it as that's the best
place he has to be able to go and start,
not even compete for a starting job, Like I could
just go in there day one and know that I'm
going to be the starting quarterback.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I guess it depends who they get, right Well.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
They're not going to draft anybody at second overall in
this class, that's for damn sure. So we know that
maybe later in the draft they find somebody and if
they have a good enough training camp, we'll see what happens.
But it's not that they don't have offensive talent. You know,
the Bresee Hall is excellent, Garrett Wilson. They signed Ady Mitchell,
who is when he's healthy as an excellent player. Excellent,
maybe strong, but at least productive. So their offensive line

(28:36):
actually isn't terrible. So they have some offensive talent. They
just have to put things together at the quarterback position.
But again, I don't know if Gino Smith is that guy.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Look if the offensive line wasn't as futrid as it
was last season for the Raiders, where guys were routinely
getting beat and blockers were being shed. I do think
he could still be decent. He isn't that much of
a drop off from his time in Seattle in six
months to being that bad of a quarterback. That is

(29:06):
the circumstances of playing for the Raiders. Those are the
things that happened behind a poor offensive line. I don't
know if there would be any quarterback that would be
able to handle that situation honestly.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, based on the things that you hear about, you know,
Brennan Carroll and the way that he coached or didn't
coach the offensive line, it kind of makes a lot
of sense.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Is there as as functional as they were?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
So he gets a pass? You're saying the quarterback ironically
gets a pass a little bit.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Only only slightly. You got do some non quarterback stuff
here too, Yeah, why not? So Jalen Phillips, you know,
talking about your Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okay, Kevin, I thought this was a massive overpay at first.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
What you mean at first? So what changed your mind?
Because I still think it is.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I watched his highlight tape last season, and I got.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
A slight tape. We had two sacks. Great for a.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Guy that has done his acl that has had is
many concussions as he did in college and was told
not to play football anymore and then did his achilles.
He still looks pretty damn athletic out there.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Look, I know he's like in the upper third when
it comes to pressure rate.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
And I'm not saying that that doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
It does matter.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
My man has like six sacks in the past four years.
At eight and a half in his first his rookie season, he.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Can get lucky and walk into ten sacks. Sometimes, get
the hell up out of the year.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
You're paying this guy more than Trey Henderson got paid
to the Baltimore Ravens, and that's a proven commodity.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
You don't think that's what it takes to go to
the Carolina Panthers. There's a difference in the destination there.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I under you have to overpay, I guess, and you're
overpaying for potential. By the way, he's still twenty six,
I understand, But you're talking about all the injury issues.
I just don't know if the investment is necessarily worth it.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
He looked good with the Eagles. He looked he stayed healthy.
Last year was a contract year, granted, but I thought
he looked very athletic. Two sacks, how many hurries? He
was graded into something like ninety percentile quarterback? Right.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I mentioned that a second ago.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
It matter.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
The production has to be there after you're like a
year six or seven. Basically, give me pressures, you gotta
give me some sacks. We let others clean up for him.
That's called being a good teammate out there. I'll get
the pressure, you get the sacks, so full of you can.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Have the glory.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
The Raiders overpay for Tyler Lindenbaum makes total sense. You're
gonna draft a quarterback first overall, one of the best
sinners in the league, and people are upset because they
reset the court the market for starting centers. It's like, so,
what isn't It's one of the most important positions on
the field on the offensive line. Is So I'm fine
with if even if it's a slight overpay, I'm willing
to do that to make sure I protect my biggest commodity,

(31:39):
which is my rookie quarterback.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
That's an overpay where I'm like, you know what makes sense?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
All the Panthers where I think bottom five in quarterback
pressures last season, so they also had to overpay for
a position of need. We're in the exact same spot. Man,
you overpaid for a position. I don't know who that's
worse for. If you wait a second, I don't want
to be the same as far as the overpay for
a position of me.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Then you're overpaying Trey Hendrickson, not Jalen Phillips.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
We'll see. Let's see how it plays out, all right, Okay, great,
when he does have ten sacks this season, okay, and
one hundred and twenty tackles.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Now we're talking, all right, we gotta have a gentleman's bet.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Wait a second, No, no, no, no, you just playing.
Let me have fun here, Jalen Phillips. Let me dream
over under ten sacks.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I'm clearly taking the under. You're clearly taking the over.
So when he gets fewer than ten sacks, what are
you getting.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Me a battle of the butt. Oh you don't want that.
That's not going happen, like call hr Okay, how okay?
How about over under over under six and a half.
How about six six.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
And a half.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, this guy is the second coming of Javon Curse.
The hell you mean six and a half.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Davon Curse had like two good years. Come on now, hey,
least say Julius Peppers. That's one Hall of Famer. That's
one more good year than Jalen Phillips. Look, give him
good health. He'll give you the good year. Give me
the good hell first, because I'm been waiting for.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
That for the past six years.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
I think I think it's gonna almost work out. I
think we're so close. Look what were they? Eight and nine?
We're going eight and nine again. And if eight and
nine is enough to win the division this season, why
not next year too? I will say I love Devin
Lloyd so got me there.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
That was a phenomenal sign.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
But Bryce Young played well in that playoff loss to
the Rams. That's the most encouraging that has happened to
the Panthers. I'm being honest.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I have to.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, I gotta keep my credibility here. I'm big in
North Carolina. I'm the what was it the pussy Paul
Patrol podcast or whatever, the pussy Cat podcast, the pussy
Cat podcast or whatever it is called for the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
You said they were jumping off.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Remember they went on hiatus because the Panthers were so bad,
and then they won the division and made the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So you're saying they're the reason why the Panthers turned
things around and won the division.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Maybe it's their fault. Broadcasters have powers.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Kansas City. By the way, hemorrhaging is strong. But yes,
they say Kenneth Walker shores up their run game. That's
big for them.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
I think that's a really good move.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
It's great.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
It's great you got Mahomes coming off the ACL. Let's
stop going off script all the time with our quarterback
that's getting older and less athletic. Let's actually have more
of a system here. In fact, Andy Reid always had
so much success when he really did run the ball.
He just didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It made no sense to me.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
He was the first to go like sixty percent pass
forty percent runs, and now it's all seventy percent or
seventy five percent passes. But they need to run the ball.
They need to protect Patrick Mahomes that way.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I am. I will say this.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm glad they're getting Kenneth Walker and not the kid
out of Notre dame, cause that will be devastating. Well Love, Yeah, yes,
Jeremiah Love would be by the way, he was going
to be a top ten pick anyway, and I think
the combine probably pushed him into the top five, so
he probably wouldn't have fallen into Kansas City anyway.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
But still, oh, because you're a Raider fan and you
don't want to see them with a guy who ran.
Was it a four to two nine or something? Yes,
that's pretty fast, that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
All right, what do we have coming up next?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
I don't know if it's geek news or Stranger than Fiction.
I'm gonna call it stranger than fiction. But it's also
video game related. So Kyler Murray get ready one of
our favorite games. Ever. That they said you were brainless
if you were playing this game not true. In fact,
it's quite the opposite. We'll explain next and Stranger than
Fiction here on.

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Speaker 4 (35:40):
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Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's right fn A on FSR Fox Sports Saturday, Kevin
Figures Adam Alson with you guys. Coming up next hour,
Mike Jones covers the NFL for The Athletic. We'll talk
about all of the free agency news that occurred this
past week, as well as the Knicks Max Crosby raiders
in Raven's Trade.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
But right now, what do we have?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I'm passed through the customer defending critcision called nine one
after her McDonald's run out of McNuggets.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
You can't give a drunk man riding a horse at
ewy and he got.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
Unlike card or don't have motors, they have a mind
in their own strange things.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Twenty four year old man now Jusef throwing an alligator
through a drive through window, high steel fix. This story
could have been in gig News. I wasn't sure how
to categorize this. But if you're an older millennial, you
probably played PC games as a kid, and well, you

(36:39):
may have started with the Oregon Trail and Dysentery and
all that, or Space Quest or King's Quest, Point and
click adventure games. Eventually you got yourself a copy of
Wolfenstein three D, even if it was the shareware version
with only one episode where you don't get to work
your way up to killing Hitler. Yet that's an episode.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Three at hidden level is what it is. It happens the.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Set up for gobals first before you get to Hitler's
that what it is. It takes some time. There's some
Nazi zombies in episode two, and then Hitler you get
to him and he's ling like a mech warrior suit
in episode three, and it's very gratifying killing him episode
one though, killing jar Jar, that would be very gratifying. Word.

(37:22):
But once you graduate from a Wolf three D or
it's lesser known space counterpart Blake Stone in the first
person shooter genre of gaming, eventually you got a buddy
or a neighbor who lets you borrow his three and
a half inch floppy disc and that's not sexual, that's
a disc, and you low up Doom onto your state

(37:45):
of the art for eighty six computer, the og Doom. Now,
we loved the Little Green Space Marine long before the
Halo guy tried to bite his style, But try to
bite a real show Doom did it first? I mean
the Master Chief, yea Halo guy, that guy. I love Halo.

(38:06):
I love Halo more than I love Doom. What was
the Halo show on YouTube? I never watched Blue versus
Red or whatever. It was pretty cool, it was very popular.
It was no, I don't know if it was sass
the blue. No, they were hanging up the handkerchiefs together
and they squashed the beef.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Oh the banging on wax, all right, No, that beef
was never squashed. Never a thing.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Now when it comes to Doom, your parents may not
have liked the ultra violence element, the satanic undertones, and
you playing the game till you experienced brain rot or
back then they said you were brain dead if you
played it, but they were wrong. It takes brain cells
to play Doom. How do I know this? It was
demonstrated by scientists in Australia at Cortical Labs who made

(38:49):
what they call a neurocomputer out of hundreds of thousands
of brain cells grown from stem cells that they were
able to get to play.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
The game Doom.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I have wait so much time on their hands. See,
there's some Internet humor out there between developers and engineers
that when you show off an invention, the next question
from users in a form or message board is they
just respond with but can it play Doom? There's even
a website called can it playdoom dot org where people
show off various gadgets org.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yes, like goodness is a nonprofit situation, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
It's like, can you get Doom to run on your
LCD screen for your Nest Egg thermostat, or can you
get Doom to run on the tesla iPad screen in
your car or fitness band or Doom on a black
and white kindle an ultrasound machine. There's all these challenges
out there, but if you mottom up and you're a
smart techy nerd, you can make it happen. So these

(39:47):
scientists in Melbourne, Australia, we're working with brain cells attached
to a motherboard. Now ask for how this happened. One
of the scientists said, quote, we take blood donations from
willing volunteers and donors, and then our amazing biology team
does some biology magic, which is science, but I think
it's more like magic. A biology team does some biology magic,

(40:12):
that's what they're calling it. Yes, science. They turn the
blood cells, they say, quote into stem cells, similar to
what in the past you'd have to do with embryos,
but now you can just do it from skin cells
or blood cells. Apparently in twenty twenty six. Then they're
converted to brain cells or cortical cells, which are then
placed in a peatrie dish, and you can record the

(40:33):
electrical activity from the cells because they communicate via electrical
signals similar to how they would in your brain quote.
In that sense, they are alive, so they could program
the electrical pulses of these brain cells they created through
stem cells kinda to play Doom. It's a neurocomputer thing.

(40:57):
It's not very good at playing the game yet, but
apparently they're learning. They're getting better. The real use case
is really for testing drugs and things you do with
mice and chimpanzees, but instead do it with these brain
cells to see if it's more viable for a human.
But right now it's running Doom. You can see it.
Just type in Doom on YouTube and put in brain

(41:20):
or whatever. It'll come up the video of brain cells
playing Doom.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
It sounds like a very productive use of these scientists,
big brains and their resources.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Hey, I think so. If the brain cells can beat
the cyber demons better than me, I mean that's handy.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Who knows what else they can beat? Maybe they can
beat the nazis. Sure why not fight the next four
It is F and A on FSR. The trade that
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(41:55):
Coming up next segment, we will join Mike Jones from
The Athletic, your NFL writer, which hop on and talk
about free agency, among other things surrounding the National Football League.
Eloy from Compton who has has some back and forth
with us during football season and he of course a
Chiefs fan, me of course a Raider fan.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I made a comment about the Kansas City Chiefs last
segment and how I was happy that they signed Kenneth Walker,
So I meant that they would not draft Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I mean, that's still not great, No, it is. With
Kenneth Walker, it really is a lesser to evils.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
I kind of a lesser of two wheels.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I think Jeremiah Love can he might be one of
those guys who could be the best running back of
the NFL from day one, as a rookie.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I think he has that sort of potential.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
It feels a little bit like Adrian Peterson coming into
the league.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
One thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So Eloy asked me, said, can you see the Chiefs
drafting Love if he's available? And he says, I guess
that's why they signed Walker because they don't think he'll
be there with a ninth pick. And that is true, Yes, Eloy,
they took Kenneth Walker because I'm pretty sure they were
confident that Jeremiah Love would not be there at number
nine and it would.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Not surprise me.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I don't know if they should do it if the
Jets took him at number two. I know they have
Breesaw who they like. But if you remember you mentioned
Adrian Peterson, the Minnesota Vikings had a running back named
Chester Taylor who was really good. He was a very
good player, ran for eleven hundred yards for them, was
a really solid player. But Adrian Peterson was a generational,
game changing, Hall of Fame type of player.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
I thought they still had the guy from Oregon who
got busted for the Wisonator, Ontario Smith. Yeah. I think
he may have made have left the team by then.
I think he had a couple of years before that.
I don't think he had a long NFL career. No,
he did, maybe two or three years, because then you
have the Jets, you have Arizona, you have Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I don't think there's any way he gets past Tennessee.
And if you're the Titans, you have a chance to
get cam Ward and Jeremiah Love as part of your
starting backfield for the next ten to fifteen years, potentially.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Especially for a franchise that's missing Derrick Henry and feeling
like maybe they had some sellers remorse by letting him go,
or is that buyer's remorse. I don't know, whatever you
want to call it remorse. They're very remorseful.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Unless somebody trades up and knocks their socks off. I
do not see Jeremiah Love getting asked the fourth pick
to the Tennessee Titans. So that's I'll see that plan.

Speaker 10 (44:03):
Ow.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Sorry, I'm not sorry.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
You're fine.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
You have to deal. You have to suffer with Kenneth Wall, you.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Have to suffer with a Super Bowl MVP and the
best quarterback. But it may be of all time. Let's
talk about Kelthy. Let's talk about some real suffering.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
The Raider shuck, how dare you? It's true, but you
don't have to say it.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
That's for taking a shot at Jalen Phillips' future hall
of favor with the Carolina get the bus ready right
next to Luke Keigley's and Julius Peppers.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
The disrespect and disrespectful to all of those people you
just mentioned won't be five years from now, Okay if
you say so.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
So, Max Crosby was on his way to the Baltimore
Ravens for two first round picks, and it's been talked
about all week obviously, and the trade was nicked by
Baltimore who failed him in his physical. Uh and a
lot of controversy surrounding that field physical because of course,
the belief is, well, we knew he was coming off
of the meniscus surgery to begin with. He was probably
never going to really pass quote unquote of physical with anybody.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I don't like the way you phrased it. Well, how
did I phrase it with Baltimore Ravens who failed him
in his physical?

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You know how this goes. You've been around enough athletes
and talk to enough of these guys. Different doctors, different
teams have different evaluations. When it comes to physicals, I.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Know how it goes. It sounds like a Scorn Raiders
fan right now, That's what I'm.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I'm actually, I'm actually not upset at all. I could
have been fine one way or the other. I'm glad
we're keeping Max. I would have been glad taking two
first round picks. I think it's a win win as
far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Oh, tell me what you think.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Don't get to that in a little bit. What do
I think happened?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I do think there's a little bit of an element
of truth to both theories. So the one conspiracy theory
is Trey Hendrickson didn't get signed in the first wave
of free agency. Baltimore saw that and said, well, let's
swoop in and get this guy who might not be
as good as Max Crosby, but maybe he's a half
step down.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
He's going to be cheaper, reliable.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well, he's also had injury issues, but nothing as severe
as Max Crosby. Mass Crosseby I think has had like
seven surgeries the last like six years or something.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Didn't he just have his meniscus removed or something he
had to repair he had to repair.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
They initially said it was a clean up, and then
I was like, no, this is like a full on repair.
Doctor new Latrosh did a full on moniscous repair, all right,
And I think this is like the second or third
knee knee surgery he's had. So Trey Hendrickson is older,
he's had his injury history too, but he's going to
be cheaper and we don't have to give up two
first round picks for him.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
And he's with a much better organization he's coming from
than the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No, of course that Yeah, when I think of the
bashes of consistency and winning, I think of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
That's what I'm sorry. Who was it a super Bowl
more recently and probably should have won.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
It have to do with anything.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Last time I saw the Raiders of the Super Bowl,
they had they had it. Okay, I'm done here.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
They gave you the look. The last time I saw
the Paths in the Super Bowl, they lost both of them.
If you man, so what are we talking about here?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Right, why what are we talking about? You're the one
to pivot it talking about Super Bowl appearance? Okay, no
mistakes were made, Yeah, they were just like with the
Ravens even thinking about Max Crossby mistake.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
So I think it's a combination of Tree Hendrickson was available,
they saw his medicals and a wandering eye. It's verified
that they actually consulted with the Cowboys team draw a
doctor and a couple of other doctors who looked at
his scans, and why.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Would they get the Cowboys doctor involved? Well, these guys
are the Cowboys. Doctors gonna be like, yeah, these jack
you don't want this guy, and then they sneak in
and try to get him.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Now, all this sounds like the Cowboys that wouldn't have
no interest. Now, now they traded for Sir Rashaun Gary
from the Packers. So a couple of other medical people
shared the same concerns that the Baltimore Ravens medical staff had.
So they say, well, look, the guys kind of damaged
goods to a degree. I don't know how long of
a runway he has. Even though he's twenty eight, he's
not old. He's in the prime of his career, and
if he's going to deteriorate quickly, maybe it's worth nix

(47:41):
in the trade, bringing in Trey Hendrickson and keeping our
two second round our two first round picks.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I can certainly understand the rationale.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Alsdrick Son's what three years older, He's thirty one, He's
thirty one, Max's twenty eight. Now, whether or not it
was shady business practices on Baltimore's part, which it sounds
like a lot of NFL for an office, people are
saying sure, and they say they have a history of
doing things like this or not being on the up
and up when it comes to negotiations and contracts. So
we got to ask Mike Jones about that.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, because Mike Jones, by the way, has worked in
the DMV area out there in Washington, d C covered
the commanders for a while, so we knows the Baltimore
Ravens knows the Washington commanders really really well. So we'll
be able to give us some insight that maybe we
don't have. But I do think both arguments are plausible. Now,
if you're asking me which one do I think is
the most legit, I think it's the fact that Hendrickson

(48:28):
was available. If Frey Henderson had signed with somebody else
on the first waiver free agency, I think even despite
being nervous about whatever they saw in the scans, they
probably would have done it, or they would have told
the Raiders we got to do like.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
A one and a two. We can't do two ones
or something. We have to revise the deal. Okay. So
the Ravens saw a better option out there they didn't
think would be available, and they got out. And by
the way, that's fine because it's not illegal.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Noct until pen on pen is to put the paper
and the dealer is actually consummated, then the deal ain't done.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
This is why the dealings. It could be looked at
his bad business or shady business, and maybe that hurts
them down the line dealing with.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Teams, but I think it will. But I'll want you
know why twenty.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Four to seven news cycle, Like, I don't think anyone's
gonna remember it that one the Raiders will, the Raiders will, Okay, No,
we can't make trades for Raiders players anymore. Isn't this awful?
They won't deal with us.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
The thing is, it's like it's like, oh, it's bad
business practice. And by the way, again, this has been
talked about what the Baltimore ratings for a couple of
years now. But ultimately, if you're an agent, if you're
a player, you're trying to get paid and make the
best deal you can for yourself.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
So I'll pay that to me and his money.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
So if if let's say, if Max Crosby's agent has
a client who wants to sign with Baltimore because they're
going to offer him the most money, which, by the way,
is gonna pay the agency the most money because of
you know, based on that, are they gonna say, nah,
because you screwed over Max Crawls four years ago, That's
not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
There's too much entanglement with agents. And we talk about
this with the Lakers. They can't just do Lebron James
dirty because they think it would be better for the
organization overall. Because Rich Paul I think represents like seventeen
percent of the league at this point. Yes, with clutch clients,
So no, you have to treat everybody well out there.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, I understand why Raider fans will be upset and
team executive people will be because if you're the Raiders,
you spend all this money in free agency, like hundreds
of millions of dollars, thinking that you were going to
get two additional first round picks and have Max Crosby
salary off the books, and now that's not the case now.
Thankfully for them, they had so much money under the
cap that they were able to absorb Max Crosby's salary

(50:32):
back into after and didn't have to renege on any
of the agreements that they made with any of the
free agents.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
They were still thirty million under the cap. More so,
even now bringing Max Crosby back in, I think there's
still like fifty million.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Under the cap.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
So even though the Ravens asked for that refund, give me,
it's fine. The thing I would be more concerned about
if I'm a Raiders fan, though, is just if everybody
gets cold feet. Now, if nobody would be interested and
the value you get back for him is much lower
to one first round pick because there's so much scrutiny

(51:07):
about his health and his track record there.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, I think in one sense, the ball's kind of
in their court on that, because remember they never wanted
to trade him. He and all the reporting is he
quietly asked Mark Davis to be traded, didn't want it
to be made public, wanted to make sure that the
he saved face, that the organization say face. Yet even
when he did get traded quote unquote, it didn't actually happen,
said all the most positive things about the Raiders and
the organization, and then now the reporting is they don't

(51:32):
even want to trade him. They're just welcoming back with
open arms.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
And how is he feeling about this?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
He sounded tweet and in his tweet he says, happy
to be back with Rader Nation.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what he said. I was
just playing, y'all. I loved it here. We're gonna win
five games this year. I didn't he say something else
that like, I think it had something to do with
his sobriety, and it was.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
He reached out to be League six years of sobriety.
I believe it was.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
And the trade was mixed on the anniversary of his sobriety,
and he said, God makes no mistakes, and he thinks
this is the universe telling him something and maybe he
is supposed to be a Raider.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Still his exact tweet from a couple of days ago.
Everything happens for a reason. Believe nothing you hear in
half of what you see. I'm a Raider. I'm back.
Run that bleep with a emoji of an eagle of
basically the Raider's flag and an animated gift of the
Undertaker coming out of a flaming casket.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Okay, that goes hard.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
It sounds like a guy who's pretty committed to me
to coming back to the team. That's exactly the gift
Raider fans want to see. Yeah, it's just they are
fine with that. That's a dead man's back. So I
feel the rads you're not going to give him away.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Look, if someone else calls back and says, we'll give
you two number ones, then maybe they re engage in.
And I think they would talk to Max and say, hey,
do you want to go to Arizona?

Speaker 4 (52:47):
And you probably say bleep no. He's like, hey, all right,
makes sense to us. So he doesn't have some no
trade clause or anything like that. They were just saying,
this is mutually beneficial for both of us. You want
to go somewhere else. Baltimore is offering a lot, But
technically they could send him anywhere.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
They could absolutely, but they're not going to do that,
you know. And there's an also an element of he's
not like he's a bad player. He's one of the
best pass rushers. He won not even pass Rusher. He's
one of the most complete defensive ends in the entire league.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
And he's the type of guy that he doesn't rest
on his laurels. He goes hard. He's just a beast
out there. He's an animal. You don't have to worry
about him being a malcontent or not putting in the work.
If he degrades as a player, it's simply because his
body is betraying him, not because he doesn't practice hard
or do everything in his power to be the best

(53:36):
version of himself.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Well then just think of it.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Now, if you're the Raiders and you brought all these
guys in, especially on the defensive side, and a lot
of guys are who are interviewed Quity paying a couple
of others that they're like, we're looking forward to playing
with Max. Now all of a sudden, he's basically the
veteran presence in that locker room.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
He's the guy. He's unk.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
He's such a likable guy that I don't think this
is a situation where anybody would be turned off by
him wanting out and him having to come back to
the same life locker room with his tail between his
legs or anything. They're going to embrace him. He's their leader.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, Mark Davis never wanted to trade him. He and
Mark have a great organ have a great relationship. He
was like, look, man, i want to go somewhere where
I can win. I'm tired of all the changes. And
Mark is like, hey, I get it, you know, and
we want you to win too.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Everyone should get a player wanting to leave the Raiders.
We all understand that to never be held against.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
High role that you continue to take shots at the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Well, look, you started with the jail and Phillips and
I'm going to finish it here with Max. Was all
a questionable signing, just a lot of money. It is
g damn it on the low it really is.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Well, I think this is Max Crosby doesn't end up
getting traded and by the one.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
If someone offered me one number one, I don't think
I do that either. Just keep them.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Let me ask you this. Say we're a month into
the season and the Raiders are zero and four and
one in three, but Max Crosby has four sacks and
looks relatively the same as he did last year. Do
then you move him to a contender? Can you increase
his value then and you find a very similar trade
where he's happy to go to a team that's trying

(55:00):
to win now and you're happy getting those two first
round picks you thought you were getting.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Now, I don't know if he'll get two number ones
or not. And if the price drops to one once
the season goes, you know, the deeper you get into
the season, the less and less time you have on
a contract, the less and less valuable.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yeah, that you know.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
So that's the only question. But will they be open
to trading him if the season falls off the rails?
I think so. But he also being plugged into this
defense with all this talent that they just signed. And
if Ernanda Mendoza actually plays well, assuming he starts from
day one or gets you know, starts for the team
and maybe they're in the playoff hunt in like November
or something, then all of a sudden you keep him around.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Okay, he's part of that. He's being a veteran presence.
Here's the question, quiz, hotshot, what would be viewed as
a successful season for the Las Vegas Raiders in twenty
twenty six?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
What would I would say that entail sixcess? I would
say between I would say six wins. Okay, six to
seven wins. You get six to seven wins. I think
that's considered.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Those looks like he can be an NFL quarterback.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
He takes his lumps, but he looks like he can play.
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's realistic, you know,
considering the division that they play into. If they played
in the worst division, I'd say like, hey, you know,
there's a worse the first element. The New England Patriots
signed all these players last offseason and got to the
Super Bowl. But I just don't having to leap frog
the Broncos, the Chiefs, and the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
That's a tall task that's not gonna happen. Six wins
in the AFC West is like ten wins in the
NFC South. Yeah, that's what it's like there. It's a
blood bath, it is.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
So I I was optimistic and looking forward to getting
those additional draft picks to help accelerate the rebuild. But
you can still rebuild, and they've already started it. We'll
bringing all the freegents they signed are all young. These
guys are all like twenty five, twenty six, so they're
all guys who can grow in the defense. MaTx Crosby.
As we mentioned, I know he's banged up, but he's
only twenty eight, so it could end up being whereas

(56:57):
Miniscus ends up being fine. We've seen this happen before.
Oh Yeahreeze failed his physical with the Miami Dolphins, went
to the New Orleans Saints and became a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
You know, so Alsby thinks there is a reason for this.
You know, God doesn't make mistakes. Everything happens for a reason.
I also think there's an element of him where he
would love to make it work with the Raiders because
he embodies being a Raider.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
He has a Raider tattoo.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
He even said when he thought he was being traded
he wanted to finish his career with the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
So it's in his heart and the fan base feels
the same way about him. It makes is he the
best I don't know about best defender, best front seven guys?
It's like Howie Long, am I missing somebody that really
is you know, Eyeblacks, Spikes, piss and Vinegar, that type

(57:48):
of player that really has the character and makeup of
a Raider. If he hadn't passed away so early, Darrol
Russell would have been then. Yes, Sarah Russell was phenomenal.
I got sacked by him a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I'm sure you did. You a bunch of you and
a bunch of other people.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
But yeah, from that standpoint, yeah, the defensive ferocity, someone
who want bodies.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
They're like the quote unquote Raiders spirit bad boy.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
And it's crazy because it's like he's not like getting
arrested off the field and doing a bunch of crazy stuff,
but it's like he has the look, but he doesn't
actually have all of the off field crap that comes
with it.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
He's sober, like you make Barrett Robbins. He's a mad man, right,
he turns it on on the field. And then when
the Barrett Robbins had problems, I don't do the full extent
of issues.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
And we know he was bipolar for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, But I, for one, as a Raider fan, I'm
actually happy that Max is back. There's also an element
of a bird in the hand situation too. We can
all get it excited about draft picks and all that stuff.
I've talked about the Khalil Max trade and you trade
two number one or trade him for two ones?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
And what does it turn into? And where are you?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
You know, so I know what the known commodity is
of Max Crosby. When he's healthy, he's one of the
best defensive players in the league. Uh, the fourteenth overall
pick this year, and god knows what next year's first round.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Picked the Ravens is gonna be. I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Yeah, I'm actually kind of excited for you, honestly. Now,
can you be excited about Jail and Phillips going to
the Panthers for me?

Speaker 3 (59:10):
You know what? Why not? Why do you guys have
to lose?

Speaker 4 (59:13):
You know, you're we holding up the blue and red
zerags that are tied together an athlete truce.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
We've reached a truce.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Look at us. The signing could have been worse, I'll
put it that way. What's the old Paul Rudd? Look
at us? Who would have thought, Kevin? Who would have thought?

Speaker 11 (59:32):
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Speaker 4 (59:33):
What you and I could partner up? Isn't this beautiful?
I just I love it?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Speaking of beautiful, does a beautiful job covering the NFL
for the Athletic His name is Mike Jones.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Jos.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yes, he's gonna come on and talk about the Max
Crosby trade that wasn't, as well as all of the
big moves in NFL free agency that is coming up
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lot of impact signings happening this past week, the opening
our free agency, of course, one of the busiest weeks
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Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
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the show right now. Is Mike Jones not the one
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Super Bowl thirty four, nor will he give out his number?
I think on the air like another Mike Jones did once.
But this Mike Jones is about to blow to and
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Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
Hey you guys doing thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
We're good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
First off, before we get to the football, I gotta
cover the elephant in the room how many times? And
I'm sure you can count on more than fifty thousand hands.
Has people giving you or joked with you about the
whole Mike Jones from h town.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
How often do you get that?

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Yeah, it's quite a bit. It hasn't died yet. Lamar
Jackson's done it, Mike McDaniel's done it. And you know
those were on camera when those were the two days
out of the last several years that my kids thought
I was cool, you know, And but it happens quite
a bit still.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Do you got the two eight one area.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Code number two out in BC?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
You can make that work too, Mike, Thanks for doing
this again. Let's get into it. I want to start
with Max Crosby and what happened there with the Ravens
and the Raiders. Was this just about a physical they
get cold feet? Did they just have better options out there?
Why the Ravens go this route?

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
You know, I don't know if we'll ever know the
full story. It does sound like.

Speaker 8 (01:02:39):
That they.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Knew obviously that he wasn't going to be one hundred
at this time. Uh, they had done research.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
They were multiple doctors that had seen his MRI and
some people that had some concerns, but they were still
okay with it until their doctors had some concerns about
the long term, according to multiple reports, and those doctors

(01:03:09):
agreed with you know, some of the well renowned doctors
that had some concerns, and ultimately they felt like, hey,
he'll be okay for right now, but the questions of
the long term, we don't want to give up two
first round picks like this, and I do think that
they're probably was a little bit of maybe kicking the
tires and realizing, hey, we can get Trey Hendrickson without

(01:03:31):
these injury concerns without having to give up two first
round picks. So since we have these reservations, let's go
in a different direction. And it's a bad look, but
they were fully within the framework of the league rules,
and you know, they again they get a top flight
pass rusher without having to give up those first round picks,

(01:03:52):
and we'll see if it winds up paying off for them.
But it was definitely mind blowing. I saw the message
now that this is gotta be ai, this isn't real,
and sure enough, it really was. The Raiders official handle.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You know, now, you've been in the DMV area for
a long period of time, so I'm sure you know
the Baltimore Ravens organization well, and there's been a lot
of speculation that like, oh, this is something that Baltimore
does all the time where people question Eric Tacosta and
business practices when it comes to this sort of thing,
which kind of flies in the face of public perception
because they thought of as one of the best franchises
front offices really in all of sports, let alone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Just in your dealings and talking to people around the
league and knowing the area the way that you do.
Is this something that's consistent with how Baltimore operates or
is that something that people who just have a griper
kind of making up and throwing out there.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
No. I mean, I know that there have been several
times where they had players that they had agreed to
terms with and then the player got there and they
didn't pass their physical and the player was very caught
off guard by that and a little bit confused over that.
But they are a conservative franchise, and so that's why
offering up the two first round picks, that's something they'd
never done before, and that's why that was a little

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bit surprising to people that they were going to go
with that way. The fact that they wound up backing
out and not even though it was shocking, it kind
of was like, Okay, yeah, this is how this is
more like the Ravens that we know. Again, you know,
Eric DaCosta explained it. Hey, I've got a responsibility to organization.
He says he was gutted or whatever. Bad look, but

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they are more conservative doing so. I think throwing the
two first round picks was them acting out a character
more so than them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Backing out of the trade was Since we're talking about
the Ravens too, the Lamar Jackson contract situation right out
of time to extend them. So they adjusted his contract,
accelerated his signing bonus. But essentially he's going to have
a really high cap number going into next season. I
think the assumption is on all sides want to be
able to reach a contract extension. Is just what the
terms of that contract extension look like. Do you think

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it's out of the realm of possibility that this time
next year that Lamar Jackson will not be a Baltimore
Raven strictly because there's an impass when it comes to numbers, compensation,
et cetera.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
He's got a lot of leverage now for sure. You
know they need him to play ball and have some
give them some leeway cap wise with that big cap number.
I think, you know, we'll see what happens this year.
This is very much a kind of a wait and
see how his relationship with the new head coach, jesse

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mentor is what the success looks like, because that's the big,
big question you've had, you know, a change. It's the
first time that he's playing for a different head coach.
It's a defensive minded coach, and you know, they'll see
they got a young offensive coordinator. So what does Lamar
think of the organization after this year with them? That

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will kind of tell the story of whether he winds
up being here and and agrees to a more team
friendly cap number, or if they wind up having to
figure something out and move on from him. But I
think they want to get something worked out. It just
hasn't quite happened yet.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Mike Jones is our guest here on f and A
on FSR. So what happens with the Raiders? How screwed
are they with Max Crosby? Is nobody going to trade
for him now? Or are they going to get significantly less?
Do they end up moving him? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Well I think that there were teams that called, but
they were not in you know, not receptive to the
idea of parting with him at a discounted rate. They
wanted to get the similar kind of compensations that they
were going to get from Baltimore, you know, and it's

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an awkward situation. Max Crosby, though, says, hey, you know,
they say that they don't have any intention of trading him. Now,
he says, you're the NFL. You know that the Raiders
are going to get the best version of him in
twenty twenty six, is going to be a man on
a mission. We'll see if that really actually winds up happening.
It's kind of hard to envision somebody meeting that asking

(01:07:59):
price now, especially if they know that it wasn't just Baltimore.
There were multiple doctors that looked at that had some questions,
and so I know Dallas was a team that was
sniffing around. They said they're out, and so it looks
like they're gonna wind up having to figure out how
to make this thing work well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Sticking with the Raiders because they went out and spent
a whole lot of money, and thankfully for them, I
guess they had so much money under the cap that
they were able to make good on all of the
agreements before the actual signing period opened and still except
Max Crosby's contract back onto their books. A lot of
people lauding the signing of Linderbaum, obviously from the Baltimore Ravens,
Naylor from the Minnesota Vikings. Just your thought as the

(01:08:37):
free agency process has played out and the Raiders have
committed so much money to so many free agents and
now they're potentially bringing Max Crosby back into the fold.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Just what do you think the outlooks so far?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
And I know we still have the draft to go,
but as far as improvements go, how do you feel
about the Raiders' roster today as opposed to four days ago.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Yeah, I wonder if maybe it was a blessing in
the sky for them, you know, like he said, they
had so much cap space, you know, coming into this
year because they just didn't spend, and now because they
didn't think they were gonna have Max Crosby, they had
to be aggressive and spend and meet needs and shore
things up and put that cap space to use. And

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now there maybe looks like they're going to have him
back and it's a stronger roster than what he had
played on last year, which sparked the frustrations of wanting
to be traded. You know, we'll see you're gonna have
a young rookie quarterback and you need a strong supporting cast,
and they're working to put that together and it just
might wind up having a you know, the best pass

(01:09:38):
one of the best pass rushers in the league on
that roster as well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Mike, do you like to fit with Kyler Murray going
and playing under KOC in Minnesota? Is he going to
have the type of success that we saw with Dan
Sam Darnold in that one year.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I mean I think that the possibility is there.
You know, Kevin O'Connell is very creative. He under stands quarterbacks.
He himself was a quarterback. We have seen him play
a role in Baker Mayfield's uh, you know resurgence and uh,
Sam Darnold, Uh, you know he was you know, Kirk

(01:10:14):
Cousins was there playing at a high level, but he
had good, you know, numbers of under Kevin O'Connell as well.
So if there's anybody that can help just really teach,
uh and fill in the gaps in the mind of
a quarterback as they you know, view the game and
approach the game. He is a good guy for that
job for Kyler Murray. And look, they have not given up.

(01:10:37):
I had talked to somebody at the Combine in the organization,
so they haven't given up on JJ McCarthy. They definitely
wanted a veteran to come in there to compete with him.
They want to see, you know, JJ McCarthy has been
working this offseason, how does he come back, what does
he look like. But they felt like, hey, we've got
to get a talented veteran, and they get one here
in Kyler Murray, who you know, has ability. His size

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is a little bit of an issue. But if there's
somebody that's got the creativity to be able to mask
those deficiencies with his size and move from around, Kevin
O'Connell is one of the best guys to do that.
And so we'll see how this wild winds up playing out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Speaking of veteran quarterbacks, a lot of Jet fans, not
necessarily the happiest that they reunite with Gino Smith, who
granted returns to them a better player than he was
when he started his career there, which I guess doesn't
really say a whole lot, but I guess what other
options what the Jets have had at quarterback Considering you
know where they are, They're not going to take a
quarterback second overall in the draft. There's just nobody who

(01:11:33):
warrants that sort of pick. So I think a bridge
quarterback probably made the most sense. I guess the question is,
was Geno Smith the right selection to be that bridge
guy or should they have maybe gone out and tried
to see if they could have brought in a guy
like a Malik Willis.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think for them they
wanted more of a veteran guy. Milik Willis would have
been a little bit of a roll of the dice. Yes,
he has looked good in action with Green Bay, but
it's very limited action. They have the young guy that
they went that route with Justin Fields, and that thing
hasn't panned out. So I think they felt like, hey,
let's get a guy that's a veteran that that has,

(01:12:08):
you know, has familiarity with a lot of defenses that
he's gone against and has familiarity with our organization. And
Geno Smith wound up being that guy. Now I think
that he will wind up being a bridge Yeah, I
don't I agree with you. They're not going to draft
somebody second overall, but we'll see if it's somebody that
they take, you know, in later rounds or whatever. But

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he's a steady guy. There's still a lot of questions
about everything else around him. But you know the other
guys who are out there, Kirk Cousins, you know, Russell Wilson.
I mean, there's just I don't know that those guys
who are at that advanced stage of their career will
want to go somewhere that wasn't close to contending, And

(01:12:49):
so they get Geno Smith, you know, by trade, and
it's he's got some ties to the organization and for him,
he sounds like he's eager to try to take care
of and finished business and we'll see how it plays out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
NFL writer for The Athletic Mike Jones is our guest
here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike, what is Kenneth Walker
going to Kansas City signify to you? Could this be
a little bit of a change in philosophy and putting
less pressure on Patrick Mahomes coming off the ACL and
maybe just leaning into the run game some more.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
Well, I mean they've wanted to have a better run
game for a while now, but they've been doing it
when the cheap they've you know, signed kind of you know,
older guys at Kareem Hunt and you know kind of
you know, some some mid round guys. Now they went
out and really in free agency, got a talented back
obviously the Super Bowl MVP, and it's like they realize, Okay, look,

(01:13:43):
we've been trying to get by with young guys with
draft picks whatever. We need an established veteran that's going
to come in here and really own this position. And so,
you know, it will definitely help their offense whenever, even
when Mahomes is there, they wanted to be able to
run the ball. You got to be able to run
the football, especially in those cold weather months. And so

(01:14:06):
this is their attempt to try to become more well rounded.
And I'm curious to see what else they do as
far as skill position guys, you know, pass catchers, because
those are still some needs that they have on that offense.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, we mentioned the Raiders and all the moves that
they made to improve their roster. Or is there another
team just overall and from a macro standpoint that you
feel had a really great opening or free agency to
really improve some holes in their roster.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Does any other team.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Stand out to you or is there just one major
move that they stand out to you?

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
No, I mean it's still early, but you know, I
think that the Titans did a good job of revamping,
you know, and really kind of retool that roster. I
think Washington really met some needs on their defensive side
of the ball, and then also at running back with
Shad White, you know. And again we've seen the top

(01:14:55):
names come off, but sometimes the most important signings are
these second tier guys, guys that really strengthened the core
of your your roster. And so it's going to be
interesting to see how the rest of these rosters are
filled out between now with these second tier guys and
the draft. But for some of those teams that really
had needs that they had to fill, I thought that

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Tennessee and Washington were two that really helped themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Last one for me, Mike, what do you think about
tuatungue Iloa pushing in the quarterback battle? Michael Pennix a
little bit in Atlanta now with Kevin Stefanski. Is that
the type of offense where he could also drive?

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
I think so there are similarities to his offense and
what he is. He was under Gary Kubiak in Minnesota
and he brought it to Cleveland, and uh Tua played
under another Mike Shanahan disciple and Mike McDaniel, so there's
going to be some similarities there. Also. The other thing
is you got two left handed quarterbacks in Pennix and Tua,

(01:15:57):
so you don't having to re flip everything when you're
back up comes. It's curious to me because Michael Pennix
Junior is not a durable guy too, is not a
durable guy. So we'll see how that plays out with
the two of them. But if you're getting a veteran,
that's kind of you know to you know, if you
take the concussions out of it. A lot of talent

(01:16:17):
evaluators I talked to said he was probably one of
the best quarterbacks on the market. So the fact that
they were able to get him as an insurance policy
to either compete or hold that fort down while Penix
continues to rehab was a good get for the Falcons.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
He is Mike Jones Cover is the NFL senior NFL
writer for the Athletic, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Mike, thanks so much for the time. Man, greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
Thanks. Have a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
There he goes my jobs. I love that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Oh, he's great. Got to bring him back. Got to
see if he has some bars too. I mean he
has a high standard to have to follow there with
Mike Jones.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Hey, I was listening to some Mike Jones earlier. Oh
are you turning heads right? It's a great song.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Yeah, not Mike Jones. That still works all right?

Speaker 7 (01:17:03):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Coming up next? What works well? Apparently not having a
strip club night at an NBA arena that was supposed
to be Monday. It got canceled.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You could work the poll, just not here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
He ain't gotta go home. He just can't be here.
Adam Silver put the Kebash on Atlanta's Magic City Night.
We have some thoughts on that coming up next.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Cotton back in on FSR, Kevin Figures Adam Austin with
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Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Adam is that follow Adam a on X?

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Coming up we'll talk about possible significant changes to the
National Basketball Association, at least according to one GM and
very popular front office man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, i'd say so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
I think the commissioner picks up when he calls, He
takes his phone, calls, swings a pretty big stick. I mean,
I know the commissioner called him a few years ago
with a certain suite from this front office man. Well,
we'll talk about that, but quickly here Kevin. Yeah, speaking
of the commission Yeah, the commissioner, why is he.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Trying to ruin Rob Parker's fun gold on?

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
It is Rob Parker's funning commion. I thought this story
was made up just for Rob Parker to take the
bait and get a flight out to Atlanta, because I
don't know, is he like the Minister of Culture of
Magic City?

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
I mean yeah, I mean just they have Magic City
Monday on the couple.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Come on now they do? Yes, that's real. Yes, absolutely,
that's what Atlanta was trying to do with the Hawks
have a Magic City Monday game. It was supposed to
be happening. Walked at him, give it five or ten
years maybe where they were just early, not wrong, just

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for early.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Feel like five or ten years from now is probably
still gonna be considered somewhat unsightly to have, whether or
not people are actually stripping or anything. You know what
the organization is and what they represent and what it's
supposed to be a family friendly atmosphere at an NBA game.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
I agree with you. My problem with it is you're
trying to make it vanilla when if you're saying it's
Magic City Mondays for the Atlanta Hawks, and you're supposed
to celebrate this institution that is a strip club, but
also it serves Lemon Pepper Wings and are then there

(01:19:42):
were old renowned wings there. We know, yeah, they interest
going for the chicken breasts there, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
That's what Lou Williams said, who said he left the
bubble just to go get him some wings again and
it came right back.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
This is the equivalent of saying I only look at
Playboy for the articles.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
Does it well? First of all, it's probably all online now,
I have no idea. I'm a hustler guy. No bagems
uh perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Back in the day, if you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Were saying it's Magic City Monday. Ultimately, how are all
the families supposed to be like? Oh, son, this is
what this this this event is about. This is what
we're celebrating.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
And that was that I brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Even if you're not talking about you know this it
being a strip club because there was selling sweatshirts and
merchant doing all these giveaways. Yeah, as seven year old says, so, Dad,
what's Magic City?

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
What is he supposed to tell him?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
You know that tells So it's all bs, like we're
gonna we're gonna dance around and tiptoe around the part
where what we're actually celebrating is a strip club. Like
if you're gonna do it, do it, show it and
do it. If you're gonna do it, do it, go

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full board.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
It wasn't that was who did Kansas Midnight Madness? Was
that Luda Or was a Snoop and they.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Asked chipper poles come down and there was money ranging
from the ceiling. I forgot it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
It was one of them, and I forget.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
I don't want to. It was a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I don't wanted to besmirch the name of either of
them because I love Snoop Dogg and Ludacris. But one
of them did a whole midnight madness, and I think
it was at the University of Kansas and they had
a whole thing with chripper poles and money coming down.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Okay, well with this I brought up these two worlds
should not be colliding. Yeah, because one one place establishment
you have to be. And of course there's an Atlanta
commercial with the FX show on right now, which was
a great show. One place you have to be twenty
one to go to for obvious reasons.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
The Lord is my ship.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
But you know what I want? The other place you
can bring your babies, right, you can bring your kids,
your toddlers. How do you make those two things coexist?
Crossover ven diagram?

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
But then somebody else brought this up. Well, you have
to be a certain age to bet. And the NBA
is fine with having all these gambling gamified gambling companies
and being in bed with them, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Sure, gambling is different than stripping, I think. I think
there's a little bit of a lot of demarcation there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
That's the greatest thing we've done on this show on FSR.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
That's right, final hour of fn A on FSR here
on Fox Sports Saturday at KFIG one where you can
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Hopping on talking to some NFL free agency with us.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Last hour at by Mike Jones is where you find
him on the Twitter and to the Twitter. We're gonna
talk more serious subjects with the NBA in just a moment.
You guys can weigh in on those eight seven seven
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Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
But you have one more thing you want to chime
in when it came to the NBA, and you just
can't get Magic City out of your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Mostly I just want to play all the sound bites
we have in the system relating to this story. You
said thirty two b you say yummy, like I got.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
The whole binders full of women anything else?

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
How often are we going to be able to play
this stuff? I got tons of stuff playing with your dinghy,
I mean, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
All here, and I always just say my finger slipped,
you know, But I.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Think we were talking off air here Keviny. She had
a fat.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
Ass, you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
Not About our experiences at strip clubs, I wish there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Would be very few, so at.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Least from my standpoint, I'll say that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I know your thoughts on strip clubs. You went there
one time and you were like, can I just watch
the Laker game over here? Yeah, that was my cousin's
bachelor party.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
It'll stop distracting me with your boobs. I'm trying to
watch the gig.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
That is an absolutely true story.

Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
It is strip club out in the I'll just say
in the South Bay area in southern California was my
cousin's bachelor party. The Lakers are playing the Golden State
Warriors and this is this is the Kobe days whatever.
It was towards the end of the regular season, and
it was a pretty big game. And I'm sitting at
the end of the.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
Battle when the Lakers weren't asked correct yes, But you saw.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Some ass that night, though, and someone did come up
to me and proposition me about a dance and I
told them, no, thank you. I didn't say no thanks,
I'm busy, but that's basically my vibe. I was like, no, thanks,
appreciating trying to watch Kobe dance with the basketball exactly. Okay,
this is an important game.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
What kind of sports nerd that I was there?

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
You go, hello, beautiful Okay, but now I've probably been
to a few here and there. Okay, still living the
bachelor lifestyle. But we were bringing up some good points
off air, and they need to be repeated for the
audience here, all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Right, refreshment my memory of what I say, because I
already forgot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
So, first of all, I want to reiterate something, the
entire thing that they were trying to celebrate Magic City
Night at an Atlanta Hawks game. If you have to
hide the central theme of what you're celebrating, stripping.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
From the audience at the game, no, why are we
celebrating it to begin with?

Speaker 8 (01:25:03):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Yeah, if it's not family faily enough, we have to
hide the core of this celebration, the entire point. What
are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
And so I brought up the fact that they announced
this about three weeks ago or so, maybe a month ago, definitely,
And it wasn't until earlier this week that the NBA
and Adam Silver stepped in and said that you know,
this is a no go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
So we're like, what took so long?

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
And I was like, Luke Cornett wrote about it at
least a week right before the NBA mixed it easily
easily a week before and not k n I c
ks Nicks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
So it's like, all right, clearly the right person made
the right amount of noise that prompted the NBA to
say we can't do this now. The right person. I
don't think it was Luke Cornett. I don't think it
was people screaming online or the fan base. I think
it was some sort of corporate partner of the NBA. Yes,
we frowned upon this and said we're not going to

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have this, and at that point in time, that's what.
Otherwise the NBA would have mixed this within days or
a week after this was announced. If it was truly
appealing to like morals and what fans want and what's
family friendly and all that, it would have not taken
them much time at all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
They got the temperature in the room, they look to
see which way the wind was blowing, and what would
be the more popular decision to make here and how
much money they might lose, and they said, oh, yeah,
I guess we can't do this. Uh huh. Otherwise they
would have gotten rid of it earlier. It wouldn't have
taken this long. They waited to get the court of

(01:26:42):
public opinion and to hear from sponsors. That's all this is.
They not hit out the pop, no question, with all
due respect that when you're talking about a strift club
and celebrating that at a game. And granted I have
not been to Magic City, and I do hear the
food's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I do want to get those wings full disclosure. Now,
granted that sounds like you can DoorDash them, so you
don't have to set foot in the establishment if you
don't want to. But I feel like they get they get.
They get talked about so often. What does the door
dasher look like that brings.

Speaker 9 (01:27:12):
Them to you?

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
You're so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I feel like at some point in time, when I
find myself back in the Atlanta area, I gotta get
those wings.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I gotta get my handle.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
I would like to try. Look, I would like to go,
but I'm I'm a man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Well we like to go to Atlanta or go to
Magic City?

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Well, Magic City is in Atlanta? Okay, just asking, that's alright,
just inquiring, can it be both?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Acquire reminds you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
So this is a family restaurant, sir, Like it's that
type of thing. You Okay, you have a son, I
do you actually can speak to whether or not this
would be a good idea to bring a kid to
a game where you're seeing Magic City all over the place,
and what are you gonna tell them? No, it's for

(01:27:56):
the Magic Kingdom. We're not that far from Disney World.
That's all this is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
It's just a bunch of women doing a bunch of
magic tricks, you know. Now, Hell, if you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Want to get it, it's like, well, I mean, it
depends on how you want to like is that a
complete and total lie?

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
It depends what your definition of magic is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Okay. The problem, Adhaim is I don't want to have
to be put in that position.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yes, if I take my son, who's not old enough
now to even ask me what Magic City is, but
if you were, I don't want to have to be
in the position to try to tell him what or
explain to him what Magic City is or isn't. That's
not something I should have to be able to discuss
with him in a basketball game.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
So therefore it's inappropriate. Yes, the age issue where one
place you need to be twenty one to get into
and the other place no you don't, So why are
you trying to combine it? Just because I don't know.
Lanta is having a rough year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
No, I mean, look, it is part of their I
don't know, you wanna say culture, identity, whatever. It's a
part of the city. It's they there for a lot
of people. It is kind of a piece of pride
for them. Like it's a big deal point of pride.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
I don't, I don't. That's great. They're like, you could
still go there. They're not shutting it down. The NBA
is not saying we can't have a Magic City within
five hundred feet of the Atlanta Hawks Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
One thing, I how come Magic City can have an
Atlanta Hawks Night and they could do something at Magic
City for people who are of age who want to
come in and celebrate the Hawks and have Hawks branded slash,
you know, Magic City branded gear, and do a whole
thing and get some players out there. I'm sure players
are probably probably very very aware and very very.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Yes, James Harden's in Cleveland, but Jalen Johnson might go,
I don't know, give me some sugar bany.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Let's just say that might have been a Hawk or
two that have made their way through Magic City, probably
over the course of the last few hours, let alone
the last few years.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
I mean, maybe that's how Trey Young started to lose
his hair. He was so stressed out looking at all
that ass. It's tough to choose who's your favorite. I
don't know, I just it never made sense. And I
know it's a cool thing to be, like, what are
you talking about? This is awesome. I was a little
bit concerned the other night. I'm there earlier the Clippers

(01:30:04):
game and Anthony Edwards didn't have music the last time
Minnesota was it into a dome against the Clippers warm
up and I love ann Yeah, early early pregame, so
this is all fair game. There's no fans in the
building yet. But he brought his own boombox and his

(01:30:24):
own DJ. Yes, and it was kind of awesome. But
the music wouldn't be appropriate for everyone, obviously, but the
doors weren't open for fans to come in and for
the little kids to be there, So it makes sense.
It works, and in fact, I think when a kid
walked by and turned it off.

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Yeah, somebody was walking courtside and there was there was
a little boy there. This this pairing. I'm sorry. As
much as Atlanta loves Magic City, this this was never
going to work. As fun as this story is, it
wasn't gonna work because it was never gonna work. And
I don't know how it took this long for the NBA.

(01:31:06):
It has to be they were just getting the pulse
of the people and sponsors.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
That's one hundred percent what it was, because otherwise it
wouldn't have taken this long for them to respond.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
Luke Cornett, you can say he's a square or whatever.
I don't know, being a captain or like a white
knight and the women don't need his protection or whatever.
I think he made some points.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
He made some valid points. I agree or disagree with him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
But yeah, and again, if you're talking about a family
friendly atmosphere, that just doesn't necessarily line up with what
Magic City generally embodies.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Now, the NBA has stuff that is unrelated to Magic City.
Believe it or not, we have to talk about dynam
about that. It's not as excited.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
It's so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
But some people think the three point shooting has made
the game more dole. Yeah, they do. They think it
s watered the game down. Maybe it was fashionable at
one point because Steph Curry and it was new and
it was fresh, or even go back to the seven
seconds or less Phoenix Suns. Yeah, the novelty of it
has worn thin maybe for some, and they try to

(01:32:09):
stereotype the league as just being a three point contest.
Now I don't think that's the case, and I love
the modern NBA, but I take their point because you
look and just you know, ten years ago they were
taking I think like twenty three pointers less per game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
I think the lowest volume three point shooting team in
the league this year is shooting like twenty eight a
game or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
And I saw that that would have been the highest
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Mid two thousands, probably twenty ten. Yeah, even as recent
as that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Wow, I honestly think that would be the case.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Definitely been a ginormous uptick and three point at SIMS.
And so Darryl Morey one of the I don't know
if you can call him the godfather of analytics, but
he certainly gets you know, stamped with you know, constructing
his rosters, going back to his days with Houston. Now
with Philip being heavily built on analytics, and the analytics
tell you, you know, either shoot layups and dunks or
shoot three pointers and shoot them at a high value.

(01:33:07):
Whenever you can well. Daryl Moray did an interview this
week that has a lot of people calling him a
hypocrite because he seemingly has changed his tune on the
three point shot, at least in a certain degree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Do you think the NBA needs to move the three
point line because of what you did?

Speaker 10 (01:33:23):
I don't. I don't have the exact remedy. I would
move the line back, even that won't fix it. I
would get rid of the corner three. I would move
the line back will help, but I wouldn't get rid
of it. For example, I believe something needs to be done.
I think it's more urgent than tanking. As much as
people talk about the different ways people get to threes
and think that's all true, the reality is fifty percent

(01:33:44):
more is too much for that shot and we somehow
need to address that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Did Darryl Moury ruin basketball?

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
I have empathy for that.

Speaker 10 (01:33:53):
In fact, I got a lot of heat because last
year I was arguing, in like the strangest moment of
my career, almost I was telling the league office they
need to fix the three point problem that was created
by all the analysis from the conference and they were
arguing against me. It was sort of like a full
circle moment where I do think the game is unbalanced.

(01:34:14):
For sure, three is too much for that shot, and
there needs to be something to do to help fix
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
In the conference he's talking about is a Sloan Analytic Conference,
which he was a big proponent of and was a
big sponsor of, and talking about how the NBA has
gotten to this point where people shoot a lot of
three pointers. Now, before we respond, Draymond Green of course
has his podcast and he had a direct response to
what Daryl Morey had to say about.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
The three point line. So here's what Draymond had to say.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
What does he know about three? He is it ain't
twenty sixteen.

Speaker 9 (01:34:43):
His lead. There used to be a lot of basketball people,
a bunch of basketball minds, and the league kind of
went away from that and went to all numbers, and
Daryl Morey was one of the driving forces behind it
to come come out now and try to change the
whole game of basketball as we know it and play

(01:35:04):
it because guys have gotten better and good at certain things.
It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, So.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Now we want to add a four point shot?

Speaker 9 (01:35:13):
Or no, like, can we stop trying to just completely
rewrite the game of basketball because Daryl Morey came up
with a theory that ultimately wasn't successful for him. You
came up with a theory with all of these numbers,
and you know you're computing these numbers, you're doing these calculations.

(01:35:33):
You come up with a theory that ultimately fails you,
and now we want to just like the shot that
was the leading driver in your theory, we want to
change it. No, let me tell you, Daryl Moria, as
someone who plays this game, it is harder to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Shoot a three point shot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
It's harder physically, it's harder mentally, it is tougher. It's
the three point shot being shot a high, higher clipp
than ever.

Speaker 9 (01:36:02):
Yeah, it's the evolution again, So what happens when things evolved,
You get better at.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
The current things. So first of all, let me say this,
I think I know the exact moment that Darryl Morey
realized we're shooting too many threes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Is that when the Rockets went over twenty five in
that playoff Game seven against the Kevin Durant Golden State
Warriors and Draymond Green.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
That's right, Kevin Okay shot when they missed twenty seven straight. Oh,
I short changed him by two against Golden State, it
gave seven. He probably thought, you know, maybe maybe we
leaned into this a little too much.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
I will say this too, though, because there's a little
cognitive dissonance to a certain degree. I go back to
Greg Popovich with what he said, I think this was
back in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen, and how he
felt like the three point shot was gimmicky and it
wasn't real basketball, and he said, but we got to
do it to win. And so in twenty fourteen, the
San Antonio Spurs I think, shot and made more threes

(01:36:58):
than anybody else in the league that year.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Even Greg Popovitch hated it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
They killed the Miami Heat and the finals. One of
the reasons was winning in five because they were nailing
everything from three.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
So it's just like, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I don't think this is quote unquote real basketball to
basketball as I know and love and grew up, you know, coaching,
playing whatever, but this is what.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Is necessary to win.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Yeah, So you can have.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
You can hold two truths.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
So I don't necessarily hold that against Daryl Mory too
much to say, Hey, this is what I need to
do to win, while also saying like, maybe it has
gone too far and it's not the most esthetically pleasing
for a lot of people. Well, I don't have a
problem with necessarily having those two competing thought processes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Variety is the spice of life, and maybe we've gone
too far with it because it is so beneficial. And
I think that's the point Darryl Mory is making that
that shot shouldn't be worth three points because guys have
gotten too good at it. But let me ask you this.
How many threes a game do you think guys are
taking averaging by teams this season? How many threes per

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game are teams taking? Pop Quiz hot shot thirty thirty
two thirty seven?

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Okay, it's almost forty.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Teams are averaging almost forty threes per game. Okay, I'm
going to go back now ten years to the twenty
fifteen twenty sixteen season. How many three pointers attempted then?

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Bob Quiz hot shot per.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Game twenty two twenty four? Yeah, I'm a no, I'm
giving it to him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
That is correct.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Back another ten years, two thousand and five, two thousand
and six, how many three pointers attempted per game? Pop
quiz hot shot twelve sixteen. Okay, I'll go back another
ten years, ninety five ninety six. How many three pointers
you think are attempted per game? Five? This is kind

(01:38:50):
of surprising. It's sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Wow, way higher than I would have thought.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Actually, now, they moved in the line, and that was
one of the years that the line was moved in
from the ninety four to ninety five season through the
ninety six ninety seven season. So ninety five ninety six
they were encouraging them, so the same win three pointers. Yeah,
they went from basically taking nine per game to sixteen

(01:39:15):
with them moving in the three point line. Yeah, if
the Warriors had that line, then we'd really have some
issues here if Steph Curry and everybody had that short
of a three point I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Will fight back a little bit for people to say
the game is homogenized and all anybody does is shoot threes,
Like to a certain degree, yes, but the methods that
they get there are different. Like people have this idea
that all anybody ever does is just screen and roll
with your best player and try to either run for
a dunk or throw to a corner four three, and
that is part of some team strategy. But like the
way that the Boston Celtics get to their high volume

(01:39:48):
of threes is different than the way the different Nuggets
get to their volume of threes.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
YEA.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
So the idea that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
That the all the offenses are the same and everybody
does the exact same thing. I think everybody's end goal
is the same, either get to the or shoot a three,
but the way that they get there there's still variety there,
and I think that's the misnomer.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
I agree with you, Like teams like Orlando and offenses
like that are very different than Denver, who's very different
from Houston and Golden State. And yes, most teams run
some variation of high pick and roll because it's so
difficult to guard. But I would argue, instead of the

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three pointers we used to see where often guys would
be taking them when they're wide open, now guys are
taking and making three pointers that are well defended at
the same percentage that guys used to make them at
when they were wide open, Meaning they're taking and making
three pointers at a higher degree of difficulty now because

(01:40:48):
teams are learning to guard it and they're still making
it because they're just that damn talented out there. When
back in the day, like let's say, back in the day,
average three point shooting percentage uh thirty five percent, and
it's like they were getting a lot of them open threes,
like they weren't taking them unless they were getting wide

(01:41:09):
open three pointers. Now guys are shooting that percentage, Well,
then those threes are often heavily guarded. That's the evolution
of the game. That's how skilled guys are today. Well,
I guess the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Question is, and maybe we can carry this over onto
the next segment, is one doesn't need to be fixed?
And if it is fixed, how if it does need
to be fixed, how do you do that? And if
you guys want to chime in, you can do that
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Is there an
issue with the three point line? Do you have a
problem with the three point line in the NBA? And
does it need to be changed? Is there a problem
you guys let us know. We can also hit us

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Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Speaking of Twitter, now people are interested in this topic
here talking about three point shooting in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
In the Twitter, former producer Bree checked in.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Yeah, Bree Breeze. She thinks this Breeze three because we're
talking about three pointers or something in the NBA, and
she'll take any opportunity to mention Kyle Korver.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Say when it comes to three point marksman, she doesn't
need three. There's only one number one in her heart,
and that is Kyle Korver.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Well, let me tell you that guy missed a lot
of big shots in his career.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
It was definitely a wide open three pointer when the
NBA Finals, I believe when he was at the Cavaliers
and they were playing the Golden State Warriors one of
those years. Oh yes, is that a game one or
a game two game winner he missed?

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
I think it was game two or game three where
it was their only shot to win a game and
maybe the series gathered some momentum and make it interesting.
Probably wouldn't have been, but it still was an open
shot in one of those passes from Lebron James that
he was criticized for, even though he passed it to
one of the greatest three point shooters ever for a

(01:43:39):
wide open three to win the game. You know what,
Korver shot from three in that series in twenty eighteen,
hit me one for eleven o nine percent.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Yikes.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Could have helped to have him knocked down a few
shots from the outside against the greatest team ever in
that Golden State Warriors squad.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
With kd some wide open shots, you know, and guys
back in the day for what was wide open.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
I'm pretty sure most of.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Kyle korfor shots playing with Lebron James and Kyrie Irving
were probably wide open, oh yeah, or as Bruce Arians
will say, white ass open.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
And that's part of my problem with this conversation. You
eventually get to a point where what are you saying exactly?
You're criticizing guys for being too good at something to
a degree.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
I mean, and this is not This kind of happened
to us a much lesser extent When it comes to football.
The extra point was so easy and so automatic that
the NFL decided to move it back.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Now, they didn't move it back.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
So significantly that it was extremely difficult to make, but
they made it a little more hard, a little harder
to make.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
And this is not completely automatic.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
But the truth is, yes, guys got better, kickers got better,
the caball and all that stuff, But it was always
like a ninety one percent chance of making or ninety
three percent chance of making What was it before they
moved it back? Was it ninety seven percent? Was it
ninety eight percent of the time they.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Made that out there?

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
So this isn't that it's still teams overall, you know,
aren't shooting fifty percent from the outside. We thought originally
when Steph Curry came in and really blew things up
in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen and changed the game and
the dimensions of the court and stretching the floor out
and how difficult it is to guard. And yes, that

(01:45:18):
does take place today throughout the league, more so because
of the Steph Curry effect. But at that time we
wondered how many Steph Curry's would come into the league
because you have this guy who's transcendent and is an
all time legend, and then kids are watching him and
they're gonna be emulating him, and we're gonna get more

(01:45:39):
of these Steph Curry's. That honestly hasn't happened. Well, I
always a great shooter.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
So there's a lot of guys who have come in
who are marksmen, who are just you know, I mean,
Trey Young modeled this game after Steph Curry, but he
ain't Seth.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Few people are ever going to be the greater, the great.
But I know it is Kanka Nipple, Kanka Nipple modeling
his game. If it wasn't for Steph, maybe he is.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
I don't know. No, you're right, you know what I mean?
So I think Clay might influenced him more. He reminds
me of Clay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
No style of play, yes, but the volume of shooting threes.
I think Steph Curry is the guy that kind of
was the thought of as the pioneer, as this is
my primary shot, as a primary.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Score, and it's not all that he does.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
I think the problem Steph Curry's handle and everything else
in his paint percentage and how many points he actually
scores in the paint gets lost by the fact that
he shoots threes.

Speaker 9 (01:46:21):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
The one of one part with Steph Curry to me
is that he doesn't off the bounce and the highest
degree of difficulty three pointers with defenders all over him,
and it doesn't matter. And I kind of thought by
now there will at least be one other guy that
was pretty close to that, and Trey we thought coming
out of Oklahoma would be. But he's still He's not

(01:46:44):
on a different planet than weren't Steph Curry is. Steph
Curry's is a completely different style. Guy Dame was sort
of like that, but he was more of a contemporary.
He wasn't a spawn after Seth Curry. I there's just
I don't want to take away and act like what
they're doing because it's so superhuman, we become numb to it,

(01:47:06):
or we're taking it for granted. Just how good these
guys are. Well, I think that's what it is. I mean,
you take it for granted to a certain degree.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
But to your point, it's like it becomes so easy
that it's it's no longer it used to be a novelty.
It used to be thought as to something that was
really difficult and as oh wow, this guy shoot you know,
fifty percent from three or forty percent from three point branches.
Now so many guys are doing it, especially on wide
open threes. It's just it's not thought of as being
special anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Well, I think what's lost in this conversation from the
old heads is they say, well, there's no defense anymore,
and they're just getting a bunch of open three pointers
and they just run up the floor and throw up
three pointers back and forth. That's what's happening out there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
We know defense does get played. It's different now there's
the game. Like the NFL they have changed rules to
enhance scoring.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
So is the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
They have, But I think in the NBA's case it's
more about guys have gotten so skilled out there that
they have demanded defenses to guard so much more of
the floor that you're just spread out. You're spread way
too far out. Back in the day, they're lining up
inside of the three point line. And I'm not even

(01:48:13):
saying like sixty seventies. I mean in the eighties early nineties,
they're still setting up their offense within the three point line.
The reality is offenses were just way easier to guard
back then compared to today. Where as soon as the
guy crosses half court, you better pick him up. If
you watch the NBA Finals last year and you weren't

(01:48:33):
entertained by the Indiana Pacers and the Oklahoma City Thunder
and the way they ran their offenses, they are setting
screens and multiple screens with complexity like we've never seen
as soon as they cross half court, like it is
exceptional what they're doing out there. It is not easy.

(01:48:55):
It is not just throwing up three balls and praying
and whoever gets hot in this game is the winner.
It's nothing like that. It is sophisticated. It is intelligent design.
It is meticulous. The way they work on this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
You have the numbers or at least some of it
on some of these things, because you know, the big
argument is, you know, everybody shoots these three pointers, and
that's why we have so many blowouts. You know, not
only is the game quote unquote homogenized, but teams are
getting run off the floor by thirty points. Because if
one team is hot one night and one team is
not one night, that's how you end up getting blowouts.
The pushback will be like, I mean, you also see
a lot of great comebacks for that exact same reason,

(01:49:30):
because the teams can be ice cold for three quarters
and they heat up in the fourth and all of
a sudden, we.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Have a game.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
It's a double edged sword. Yeah, sure there are nights
where one team gets ridiculously hot. The difference is even
bad teams in today's NBA they can have those nights too,
because some of those bad teams are just going for volume,
and if it is our night, we have a chance
to beat anybody. Like the Chicago Bulls earlier this year

(01:49:55):
they beat the Clippers, and the Clippers weren't playing great
at that time, but they hit twenty five to three
pointers and they tie to franchise record, And it's like
sometimes there's nothing you can do about it. You got
a hand in their face, you're playing good defense, you're
closing out, you're trying to run them off the line.
And guys are just hitting such high degree of difficulty
shots because they're so much better than they used to

(01:50:16):
be as shooters. It is the skilled league. Steph Curry
has talked about that before, but everybody brings up, oh,
it was more physical back then. He has said, well,
this is the physic this is the skilled era. That's
how he wants to put it. The clip that I
would say exemplifies this more than any happened in the
last dance. And it's at the end of practice and
Phil Jackson challenges them, whoever hits a thirty footer first,

(01:50:40):
you know, is the winner, and that's that will end
practice on a high note for us, a little team
morale thing, a little rope's course type bonding lesson. And
it takes them like five or six shots to hit
this thirty footer. And I'm thinking to myself, like, like,
if you do that today, the first guy is probably
hitting it right. The shooting is so much more advance.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
This is how Steph ends is warm up by shooting
a three from the tunnel. I mean yeah, and it
makes it pretty much every single time left handed.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Uh, it's in, said Luka. Doncis does some of these
tricks now too. But maybe we got a caller here
who wants to weigh in, Kevin Manry, We're wrong, all right, Randy,
let's check in it with Randy. Where are you calling from?
Fort Myers?

Speaker 7 (01:51:18):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (01:51:19):
Right? My home of Dion Sanders?

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
How on primetime?

Speaker 6 (01:51:23):
What's going on? Randy? All right?

Speaker 8 (01:51:24):
All right, man, I know if.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
This is prime time, Well, we appreciate you calling in.

Speaker 8 (01:51:29):
I think I'm becoming one of those old heads like
you guys are talking about. I turned fifty four last month,
so I grew up with the Magic era. I saw
the Jordan era, Kobe and Shack. I can remember maybe
Larry Bird coming out there and shooting a three, bill
Leane Bear coming out there shooting a three for the
big men. Of course, I miss James Worthy down on
the post. I miss Hakey down in the post, kareem

(01:51:53):
down on the post. Now you've got these guys who're
six ft of legend coming out to the day and
three point line of shooting three corners. And then I
never knew what the additionalss basketball man. But I don't
even think Steph Curry is a point guard because to me,
the point guard's supposed to shut up the offense like
Magic did, like Isaiah did, like all those guys. I
just can't watch this. And I don't know how many
guys are in my age demographic that won't watch because

(01:52:14):
they're stuck in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands. I
like to hear you guys talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
Well, I'll say this, when people say positionless basketball, that
is a compliment. You know why it's positionless because now
there are less specialists because your flaws get picked out.
More guys have to be able to do everything, pass, shoot, dribble.
There's more of those guys now than ever. You say
you want to see those guys in the post, Well,

(01:52:39):
it's maybe definitely more of a lost guard than it
used to be. You still have somebody like Nikola Jokic
who can do both. He can get down on the
block and he could also shoot from the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
There are a few and far between, Yeah, I mean,
because after him, I mean, who else are we thinking
that you can actually give the ball fifteen feet from
the basket in the post.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
I mean Mbid could when he was healthy, he was great.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
You know, it will be nice if Wemby had that
sort of game.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
You know, I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
But you don't enjoy watching Wemby though, Randy. You don't
think it's all inspiring to see this seven to five
guy have fatal ways.

Speaker 7 (01:53:14):
Like I.

Speaker 8 (01:53:16):
Listened to you guys, and I get my information about
basketball from you guys on the radio. But I haven't
watched an NBA game since the second Warriors Championship because
I just couldn't take all the threes.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
So it's just not esthetically pleasing to you, is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
It's not the NBA that you grew up watching and
you just can't get You just can't get with it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 8 (01:53:34):
Like I said, I might be stuck in the eighties,
the nineties, early two thousands, but I yeah, as you said, Kevin,
I just can't. I can't do it because as I remember,
a six ft nine six, six to eleven guys down
in the post, he's not on the three point line
unless you were bird Flame Bear Rick Smith's fitless shrimps
kind of like that. Yeah, I just I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
So are you because it's weird to me? Are you
upset that these guys have gotten so scared that they
can get out to the three point line and they
are a threat from anywhere out there?

Speaker 8 (01:54:06):
Not skilled? Now, I'm not upset. There's skilled. I just
like I said, I might be in a time work.
It's almost like get rid of the running back.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
I began to say that, Randy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
You know, I think some guys, these people just like
what they like and like you know, if you are
someone who loved the NFL back in the eighties and
the nineties, when you loved you know, Emmett and Barry
or even going back to Earl Campbell, the guys who
ran the ball thirty forty times a game, and now
all of a sudden, quarterbacks are throwing the ball forty
fifty times a game and it just might not be
appealing to you. I can certainly understand that different strokes
for different folks. I think that's probably what you're saying

(01:54:39):
more than anything there, Randy, Right, Yes, sir, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
I'll say this. In the NFL. You remember that rams
Kansas City game on Monday Night with Jared Goff and
Patrick Mahomes and they both put up fifty points and
everybody was celebrating it like the best game of all
time was being played. I didn't feel like that. I
felt like it cheapened touchdowns because they were happening so frequently,
Like it took away like I would rather see more

(01:55:04):
of a defensive battle or a game that was played,
you know that was twenty to eighteen or twenty to
seventeen than a super high scoring NFL game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
That's all I've always felt, too, to be honest with you,
So I.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Understand that side of it with the NFL. With the NBA, though,
I just feel like, thank you for the call.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Randy, by the way, appreciate you being all the time
with this man. Take care of have a good night
or good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
I am in awe of the high degree of difficulty
shooting that is happening in the league. I just did
you see the end of third quarter shot that Peyton
Pritchard hit the other night against OKC.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
I did not.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
I think the game was on prime, the fallaway jumper.
He hit guy in his face. I think he might
have gotten a finger on the ball. It was Isaiah
Joe for the Oklahoma City Thunder, and I'm looking at
that shot and how tough it is, and he makes it,
and I think people are taking that for granted, just like, oh,
all the league is, you know, shooting from the outside. Now,

(01:56:01):
It's like, no, look at the shot he just hit
in how well defended that was and there's nothing you
can do about it. It's like Jordan had a fade away.
How many guys had to fade away back then compared
to like there's five guys on every team now. It's
just I don't know. I think the game has gotten
extremely skilled. So I mean the question is, so people,

(01:56:22):
if it's gotten extremely skilled, then guys can make shots
like and no disrespect to Peyton Pritchett, if a role
player on a team like that can make shots like that,
has it become too easy?

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
And do we need to make it more difficult or
change things up to make things a little bit more challenging.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
I think that's the question people are asking.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Yeah, I don't want to make wholesale changes at this
point where you take away the corner threes or you
take away somebody brought up the concept of maybe you
only get to take twenty three pointers per game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Oh like putting caps on what you can and can't
do during the game and moving it back might help.
But I mean, these guys are pulling up from inside
half court anyway, so.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
And if you move back further, the defense is just
gonna get stretched out even more for driving lanes and
easy buckets. And if you talk about analytics and yeah,
three pointers and the layups, it's gonna lead to more
of that stuff. The stuff I would like to take
out is the foul baiting. Did you see uh Jalen
Brown go after SGA saying that's not basketball when he

(01:57:23):
was just hunting for a foul going to his left
and then gets the defender off balance, leans right, gets
the easy foul call, and look, Shay's great at it
and he's one of the most skilled players ever. But
that stuff is the stuff I worry about with the
league more so than any of the shooting. Get rid
of stuff like that. Let them play the same level

(01:57:43):
of physicality they let him play in the playoffs. Let
him play like that in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
How was the MVP race gonna come down and shake
out here in the NBA As we were in the
final stretch of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
We'll talk about that coming up next.

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Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Been talking a lot of NBA this hour, and we
were talking to producer Brandon off the air and he
has a already hot take when it comes to the
NBA MVP race. So Brandon, disgusting take, Oh disgusting. Okay,
it already starts, it already starts.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
Threw up a little in my mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
All right, Brandon.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
So most people think that SGA is the the odds
on favorites win the MVP, especially after that performance he
had earlier this week.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
Do you agree?

Speaker 11 (01:59:18):
I do not agree. Look, he's he's gonna win. But
the issue I have with it, He's thirty one point
five player efficiency rating, which is second to Jokic, and
it's actually a top ten player efficiency rating in all time.
Jokic is actually having the best season statistically if we're
looking at efficiency of all time. But again, he can

(01:59:40):
only miss one more game or I think it's one
or two before he's deemed ineligible a couple more, yep.
But Jokic's team and Chase team are also pretty good
around them. I know Nuggets have been dealing with Aaron
Gordon being hurt, Payne Watson was huge, UCLA guy has
been doing very well.

Speaker 9 (01:59:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries.

Speaker 11 (01:59:58):
But I think at full hal both of those rosters
can win forty plus games without their superstars.

Speaker 4 (02:00:04):
And when I look at the MVP, like, I know, it's.

Speaker 11 (02:00:07):
Become the best player, right, But the most valuable player
of their team this year has been Luka Doncic and
Kawhi Leonard, and I don't think it's particularly close. I
think both of those teams are maybe twenty one teams without.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
Either of those guys.

Speaker 11 (02:00:20):
And they both have player efficiency ratings that are twenty eight,
which is third and fourth in the league, just behind
Shay and Nicola Yokus. So if you're in advanced that
guy you can get behind those two. Cad getting votes
is ridiculous to me. He's he's a twenty one player
efficiency rating, Like, what are we doing now?

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
You're putting a lot into that peer? Where's the raptor
at where's the the borl say?

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
I mean Kate In all respect to him, his numbers
are the exact same as they were last year.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
The team around him is.

Speaker 11 (02:00:45):
Better, Yeah, one hundred percent way better. Ozwar is turning
into one of the best defenders in the league. Durren's
having an incredible year, like they got depth. So I
don't know why Kid is being considered. Jalen Brown is
twenty two player efficiency rating. People don't give Prichard and
White enough credit, so I don't know why he's getting karreed.

Speaker 6 (02:00:59):
Why.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
Yeah, Derek White's been phenomenal, pressure has been phenomenal. Did
you see that shot?

Speaker 3 (02:01:04):
Yeah, I know, just talked about it.

Speaker 11 (02:01:06):
Yes, he always says and like Lucas team too is
like how like that's one of the worst rosters in
the league besides reevesh.

Speaker 4 (02:01:14):
Okay, it's a very disjointed roster.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
You have a lot of specialists who don't do do
a lot, you know, outside of doing one thing well.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
Talented, but unbalanced, and that's on Rob Polenka. I agree
with you that there are guys and I've made this
argument for Niko Jokic for years while his team wasn't
finishing at the top of the standings, he still was
the best player in the league. And I still think
he is because he is an offense unto himself. And yes,

(02:01:43):
that team's floor would fall out without him out there.
I get what you're saying, but we know how this
usually goes best player, best team, best record, unless there's
a real outlier season like Russell Westbrook averaging a triple
double and then people got sick of that after it
happened once. And nikol Jokicic has won three because of

(02:02:06):
the analytics, So you're not wrong to bring those up.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
And that's the problem Brandon.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
People are going to use that against them because I
use the word novelty wearing off earlier in the show,
the novelty of what he's doing. People are like, I've
already seen it. The problem is what more can he do? Like,
there's no more than the guy can do at this
point average at quadruple double, I guess.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
And you know, because he's missed so many games this
season and he's right on the verge of being ineligible,
that does take away from things, and people are already
assuming it's just gonna be SGA. Because SGA can still
miss five more games and win the MVP, he's probably
not missing them.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
I understand your argument talking about Luka Dancik and Kawhi Leonard,
and it's all well fought out, and I don't necessarily
disagree with you. So if I were to say, yes,
those guys deserve to be in the conversation, they absolutely should. Unfortunately,
just knowing as Adam mentioned, how the system works, they're
not going to be.

Speaker 4 (02:02:52):
I mean they're in the conversation, they're just not gonna
win the MVP. Odds if you go on fan duel
or any of these plays, is there one of them
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