July 6, 2022 • 42 mins
Covino & Rich are in for Dan Patrick and have Wayback Wednesday fun, as they talk scariest pitchers of all-time! Covino is in deep thought with what he calls “the Jim Edmonds Theory.” Do we glorify black and white sports legend and dismiss more recent greatness? Plus, Roughned Odor’s HR blast yesterday sparks a “defining moment” topic! #FSRWeekends
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So Wednesday, it feels like a Tuesday, right with the
short work week. That's what I'm saying. We're halfway there.
We're living on a prayer. Yeah, I would think bunch
always more than halfway there by. Now they gotta be
like at least three fourths of the way there, gotta
be all right. Well, before we get to a John
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Morantz story that might have you roll your eyes, but
it's a feel good story before you get to your
Jim Edmonds theory. It is July sixth, the sixth of July.
Gotta say what's up to? Uh my buddy rob who's
checking us out down and Florida. He's one of the
optimistic fans. You know, I have two types of fan friends.
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The ones that are optimistic until the team lets you down.
And then there's the other type of guy, which is
my team stinks and they're negative, negative, negative until something
good happens. Bullpen stinks. Whole team stinks. Yeah, they're in
first place. They stink. He's the positive guy. So what's
up roby rob Um couple birthdays today July six that
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I think you're noteworthy. Kevin Hart's birthdays today turns forty three.
What I love him? All right? Okay, happy birthday. I
know you're a big fan of Tan Tamaraw. It's their
birthday today. Fifty cent turns forty seven today, feel old
and one more. You're like Rocky Balboa. Still birthday stallone.
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Happy birthday in meet is seventy six today. It'd be
cool if he had a robot to wish him happy birthday. Yeah,
but they got rid of that in the Rocky fort.
I don't like the robot yo yo. It's mainly you know,
so happy birthday, Slice stallone. All right, Well, if you
share a birthday with them, happy birthday to you. I
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hope you had a great Tuesday night. And Max Scherzer
eleven strike counts in a losing performance sort of Tuesday night.
Even though the Mets lost, he was great. And by
the way, he surpassed John Smaltz as far as strike days,
and I think he's about to catch up to Cec Sabathia.
So sharts are making history breaking records. He's back. It's
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great for baseball. You know what's you know, it's wild
about the strikeout record. They talked about this last night
on the Mets Reds broadcast. When you know Schertz or
like you said, keeps moving up the board, I just
like it just puts things in perspective, you know, when
you hear about I don't know, just Lebron's scoring right
and he's chasing cream Abdul Jabar, It's like it just
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puts things in perspective. Two active pitchers that are neck
and neck. I think Maxwell end up on top because
he's a couple of years younger, but very Lander has
three thousand and eighty five strikeouts and Max has I'm sorry, no,
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Very Lander's got thirty one oh three. Max has three
thousand and ninety. Sabathia right in between them. But when
you look at that list, they were talking about how
everyone's sort of in reach except Randy Johnson, who just
Randy Johnson and Clemens both have over forty five hundred.
But then on a different playing field like Nolan Ryan's
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fifty seven fourteen, He's like the Joey Chestnut of fish.
That's the way I've always thought about it. He just
leaps and bounds. Nolan Ryan like doing Gero Tall commercials
before he retired. Yes, yes, he was one hundred and
forty I think when he retired. But it's like, it's
such an unbelievable number. When you think about guys like
Bernland or Sabbathias he wore Rockport cleats. I think Didney
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Pedro who was so old still striking people out, Maddox,
Walter Johnson, Gaylord, Perry Tom sever these guys all having
the three thousand to thirty five thirty six hundred range.
And then to think Nolan Ryan fifty seven hundred just
seems like fake, right, It's incredible. Yeah, as again, Sharzer
climbs the list, passing big names as of yesterday. You
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ever did the math on that where you see guy
and you're like, oh, if he has three or four
more years and he does this, where will he end up?
I think Schartzer could be. He's got three more years
and five hundred strikeouts left, he could end up top
ten over Maddox, who's got thirty three hundred, Walter Johnson's
got thirty five. I say definitely, yeah, yeah, I mean
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he puts the best puts in perspective, how some of
these guys are more legendary than you think because we
glorify the past. And there's an article today I saw.
I didn't read it, I saw it. You know, starting
pitching is a dying breed. These guys go five six innings. Now. Yeah,
I think the average pitch counter something is ten pitches
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lower than it used to be, Like it's eighty four
pitches per game. So when you got starters pitching less
and guys like Sharts are still moving up, you know,
you gotta remember guys like Nolan Ryan, guys like Randy Johnson, Clemens.
They pitched complete games if they could. Now you're seeing
less and less of that. So for these guys to
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even be in the conversation is even more impressive. They
were saying, how Shares is one of the only old
school guys where he wants to go all nine. He
wanted to go, and the pitching coach knows not to
talk to Max unless it's we're taking him out because
the visit to the mound, Max shots were gotten. No
time for that, right, like he doesn't want to visit
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to the mound. Then they were saying, the only comparable
person that had that type of intensity when our parents
were younger, a little before our time, the mad Hungarian. No,
but apparently Bob Gibson. Oh yeah, of course, they said,
if you tried to go, if a coach tried to
go to the mound and talk to him or he
would be like, are you at her? Well, he'd put
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fear into everybody. Yeah, and coaches and opponents, you name it.
And then you look at Bob gibson stats all the
complete games he had. Those guys didn't come out of games.
So that article is true. The starting pitching. We've talked
about it for years, but more so than ever, Like
you're right now, it's like eighty to ninety pitches eighty four.
I think again, the average has gone down. It continues
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to go down as far as starting pitching. So we
started starting pitching. Go in the future. One last Nolan
Ryan shout out. Since we brought him up. Have you
seen that meme floating around where there's there were games
where before they actually technically counted pitches. You'd be like,
Nolan Ryan throw two forty. How different game? I know,
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different game, But you know what ties in perfectly to
my Jim Edmonds theory speaking of baseball. It really does.
We've been waiting speaking of baseball because we've been waiting.
Glorify the past. We do it all the time. I
tell you what shures is great. But let me tell
you about Nolan Ryan. Let me tell you about Bob Gibson. Yep.
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Let me tell you about some some old pitcher in
black and white. You know, oh, because it's in black
and white, it's the greatest. Let me tell you about
Lefty grow No, seriously, yeah, give you some old you know,
some old old timey times sounding name. He was the best.
It's just part of our nature part of our culture
to glorify the past. Oh yeah, well what about the
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greats today? For some reason, we could notice it, but
we don't acknowledge it the same way. It takes a
lot of time to really settle in. We always give
we have a classic Cavino and Rich example that we
always go to go. It's a good go through though,
and please explain. People love to always talk about I mean, listen,
he's great, but people love to talk about Sandy Kofax
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and some of the great postseason moments in baseball history,
but no one loves to put Madison Bumgardner in that conversation.
Don Drysdale, Oh, Don Drysdale, Sandy Kofax, this guy, Oh,
we'll get his postseason. Why not throw Madison Bumgardner like
what five six years ago? Actually longer eight years. It
seemed to us that he's single handedly won that World
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Series in twenty fourteen, right like put the team on
his back. He's like, Bumgardner, got it. Yet we still
talk about Drysdale and we talk about you know it
black and white. Not to take away from the greatness
of Yester here, but we glorify the past. Meanwhile, bum
Garner should be in that conversation. No, that performance was Yeah, Okay,
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that goes along with my Jim Edmonds theory, and I'll
give you my train track of thought. Okay, yesterday, I'm
watching the Yankees because that's what I do. They lost
it to Pirates. I won't hold it against it. John
Carlos Stanton, it's a frozen rope that stays up just
a little too long. But this guy, Brian Reynolds on
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the Pirates makes a really great catch. Yeah, but it
was a good catch. It wasn't like tremendous, but it
got me thinking. That's just my train track of thought.
It got me thinking because I saw this highlight recently
and I feel like it's gone viral for some reason.
Maybe there's an anniversary of it that I don't know about,
but I've seen it on social media. I've seen it recently,
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and I'm talking about that Jim Edmonds catch when he
was on the Angels he robbed some royal? Who was that?
Who did he rob? That's the trivia question in himself.
That's next level. Dawned on me that this is the
greatest catch of all time and we still go back
because we glorify the past, and we talk about Willie Mays,
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and I know that William May's catch was great and
the moment, the moment matters, And is that really the
defining factor because in that case, what about Andy Chavez?
Like we said before, like that was a big moment,
but no one really talks about that catch regardless of
the moment. And I know that is a factor. But
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regardless of the moment. That Jim Edmonds catch might be
the greatest catch of all time. And I'm here to
tell you that I thought about it, like I really
thought about it, and it is it's better than that
I've watched it. I watched back and forth them like,
let me see this, Williams may be the greatest catch
of all times. Over the shoulder, over the shouldered, over
the shoulder, laying out leaps toward the fence. It is
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the most amazing catch our eyes have ever seen. But
no one gives it. Yeah, I'm here to say that
it is not to take away from Willie Mays or
the moment. If we're gonna talk the greatest catch ever
and the guy did it all the time. Jim Edmonds
used the Catchhiman his back pocket. He made that stuff
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look easy. That catch he made against the Royals. I
don't know who it was, some bald royal. Who was it?
Steve Balboni? He didn't have a mustache. It was some
I could picture the guy who was it? The sightser
don't Yes, it's Kevin Sightzer, but uh, Jim Edmonds lays out.
Everybody knows what I'm talking about again, those pinch stripe
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ugly Angels uniforms. He lays out and makes the most
miraculous catch of all time, telling you here my mild
take on Fox Sports Radio as of today July six,
twenty twenty two, that is Sli's birthday. Slides birthday. Yo. Absolutely,
that was the greatest catch. So it's only outfielders that
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can qualify. No, no about the pictures. I think there's
been a lot of great What about the picture who
caught the direct ball right at him behind his bat?
There's been some great catches. I see that a lot, though.
There was one last night. Who is it? I think
someone on the Braves did it yesterday, like when they
do that behind the back. Yeah, that reaction. Look, they're
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all great, but I gotta stay in my ground. Joel,
you know that I got a double death. Jim. This
Jim Edmonds catch is by far, I think the best
catch ever and I don't think it gets enough love.
Like I don't. I don't see enough Jim Edmonds in
the highlights. Yeah, well you know what it is. We've
talked about this before, so I don't want to and
again on a way back Wednesday, it's just something that's
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been on my mind. I don't I don't want to
be a broken record because we've talked about this. But
then again new audience, Stan Patrick Love hanging Love hanging
in for him here in Fox Sports, the past is glorified.
I don't know if it's because it's the highlights and
the reels of old footage we watched when we were kids,
Like they would always have the same blooper videos and
the same highlight video, so maybe they're ingrained in our head.
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But I will say there is a current highlight that
does get the credit it deserves, because I would say
nine out of ten times they there is a way
that the past is glorified more than the current day.
But that Odell Beckham junior catch did get the props
that deserved. In fact, you could argue that Odell Beckham
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Junior until his performance for the Rams last year. He
was living off that catch for a while, living off
of it, I agree with made that catch and had
some average performances for a couple of years. But everyone's like,
that's average. Yeah, but Odell Beckham, that's that might be disappointing.
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The best football catch of all time. But as far
as baseball catches, could you know the Jim edmids one? Maybe?
Is it? Is it an anniversary of it or no?
I think in June. Maybe that's why you know. I'm
doing a little catch up here because I was trying
to figure out which royal he robbed? Who was that
royal he robbed? And I think it was twenty five
years ago last month, and that's why I've been seeing
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it more and more again. But look at this still
image twenty five years ago. Jim Edmonds made one of
the greatest catches. I'm here to say, no, not one.
If I had a vote on the greatest catch of
all time, the dude is full on, laid out, going backwards,
going toward the wall. No less, made the greatest catch
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I think in baseball history. When it comes to the
past versus the president and letting it breathe. Right, Like
they always say with with presidents and politicians, he can't
really judge the work of a man or woman until
they're older, right in the moment. It's really tough. Like
it's hard to really assess presidents until decades later. Right, Yeah,
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you need perspective, perspective their policies to have worked or failed.
You need time. And I think maybe in sports we
need time to really digest Like, what did they do
telling you it's time? It's time? Jim Edmonds twenty years later,
It's time, guys. If it gives us any credibility, I
think it does that we're on Fox Sports Radio and
we're lifelong fans. That's the greatest catch, and you know what,
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you know what else doesn't get enough love. I saw
this on a highlight recently too. I'm not saying it's
the greatest catch of all time, but doesn't get enough love.
When Kenny Lofton climbs defense and he stepped, he steps
on the little ledge times it out perfectly. Yo, That
catch is insane. The timing involved on that Kenny Lofton
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when he climbs and stands on the wall, he stands
on that padding. Oh yeah, and then cad like that
was amazing easy. But again, we glorify I'll tell you
how I know, we glorify the past. I'm on a
couple corny like baseball facebook pages and groups and stuff,
just to you know, talk crap with people every time.
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It's like, make your all times starting lineup. Everyone on
everyone's all time starting lineup. It's like old old players
all the time. Again, Ted Williams at Gary you're naming,
did you try to tell me no one's been better
in the last fifty to one hundred years. Yeah, exactly.
And uh, since I'm talking about Jim Edmunds way back
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on a Wednesday, he did make a legendary catch when
he was a cardinal two thousand and four NLCS Game seven,
So it's not like he just made meaningless amazing catches.
This dude was an artist at it is. Honestly, is
this your way of just letting the world know you're
a huge Jim Edmands guy. No, dude, honestly, it's just
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that I just say it. Tell everyone you love Jimmis.
You know what, Sometimes you hear names and you're like,
no one talks about this guy enough and you're here
to give him. I'm here to say, you know what,
way back on a Wednesday, he deserves the credit. That
dude made insane. Count Jim follow He just followed you
on Twitter? All right? We had more Cavino Rich in
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this out. I did some research again way back on
a Wednesday, the Jim Edmonds legendary catch. It was twenty
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five years ago, last a month. That's why I'm seeing
the highlights more and more often, I guess. But it
dawned on me anyway, just based on a great catch.
Yesterday and the Pirates game, Pirates Yankees, that Jim and
Jim Edmonds. It was a human highlight reel. It doesn't
get enough credit, but that was the greatest catch ball time.
Six ninety seven is when it happened, and he robbed
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number six of the Royals at the time, David Howard,
That's who it was. So I looked it up because
it made me think too, like, how do you feel
being on the other end of history. I listen because
because Joe Madden was coaching that that year, I think
he was a coach on the Angels. He looks back
and says, you know, after that happened, he said, well, Jim,
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Jim Edmonds made you famous that day. I see David
Howard is the guy that hit that ball. I wonder
if everyone knows the exact catch you speak of. They should, dude,
they should. A sports fan, you should know the catch.
But I'm here to acknowledge it as the greatest catch
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over the Willie Mays catch. They essentially did the same
thing over the shoulder, but Jim Edmonds leaped full body,
full extension, dived toward the wall and made that catch.
It's a better catch. It's like even debate. It is
a waste of time. We just glorify the past and
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we're moving on. Official Turge agrees with you on Twitter.
It's good, said, good take on Edmonds Camino. But for
us so call Angels fans, we've known that since ninety seven. Yeah,
but again, it took twenty five years for the highlight
to resurface, for people to say, all right, yeah, maybe
it was the best catch and it's no disrespect to
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any other previous legendary moment. Gary hit us up on
Twitter at covin on and wretched. He said, you're talking
about catchers, just throw this in there. The immaculate reception.
David Hyree Football on helmet amazing to continue the drive
and beat the undefeated Patriots. That is significant when you
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talk about when it's significant versus like a wasted moment.
To tie it all together, ties everything together. If you
missed anything, Fox Sports Radio dot Com and thanks for
all your feedback. I want to thank you know Dan
Patrick's listeners too, Thanks for checking us out. We're here
tomorrow as well, Cavino and Rich. Now we're in the
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middle of my deep thoughts, right my deep baseball thoughts.
Cavino's deep thoughts. Well, you know what, it's summertime, right,
It's summertime, so you know, you really can't be that
much in football mode. Yet some offseason moves. People are
wondering what's gonna happen with Baker and Deshaun Watson. There's
still a few moves basketball. Everyone's wondering who's going where.
But you're right, it's like that they call the dog
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days of summer just baseball, nothing much else. Well again,
remember Brian Reynolds of the Pirates got me thinking about
Jim Edmans. Yesterday I saw Odor Rufe net o'door former Yankee.
He's never been the same, no, no, no, no, he
he he changed someone else's career. And I know what
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you're thinking, And that's where my mind went. Odor plays
for the Orioles now, and he's a great team guy.
He hits bombs. But Ruf Nettle Door hit a bomb yesterday,
hit a home run yesterday, right, And I saw I'm
just watching the highlights. I don't watch the Orioles. I'm
just watching the highlights, and I feel bad. I feel
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bad for the Orioles. You know why why they're actually
turning it on and they're pretty decent. It's just they're
in the best division in baseball. That the luck is
the Orioles are trying to build something. Got a great stadium,
they do, they do? They definitely they were a great
fan base spot there. Trying to build something in a
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division where the Yankees are going to break possibly the
best season record this year. The Red Sox, Blue Jays,
and Rays would all make the playoffs as the three
wild cards if the season ended today. So you try
to build something and your four division opponents are all
playoff caliber team, So Baltimore, it's like an uphill battle. Yeah,
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I don't really care about them. As a Yankees fan,
I don't care. They were in Likelitz in the Ale Central.
That's a team that can make noise in the next
year or so. Just you're stuck in the best division.
Well feel me on this, Danny g Joel Monsey, everybody
listening hanging out with us? Rufe Neeodor hit a mom.
I'm just watching the highlights and it got me thinking, Yeah,
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Rufe netto door, no matter how many bombs he hits,
no matter how likable he is in the clubhouse, no
matter how great his beard is. Yes, his defining moment
is when he punched Joey Bats in the face. It's
the truth. It's true, right because Bautista is nasty at
that time. Time too. You remember that Batista flips and
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the dude legendary bat flip ain't there. In my opinion,
Bautista has Joey Batts has two defining moments, and he
was a great player. That bat flip was insane. I
have a theory, right, but I have a theory too.
Here's my theory. Joey Bats and you already said it.
He took the words right right out of my mouth,
meat loaf mom, the meet lof when rufnan Odor punched
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Joey Bats in the face. I don't think Bautista ever recovered.
I don't think he was ever the same player. I
think his mojo was ruined because he was this big,
bad Joey Bats who got punched in the face by
little second baseman. It sort of chumped him. Nationwide, everyone
saw it. I think it deflated him. I feel like
he lost his mojo, he lost his swag, he lost
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his step, and he was never the same player. I mean,
maybe there's more to it, but that's the my public
opinion calling Danny G. Because I have an example of
I feel like Danny's gonna be like yo, good one
rich talking about players never being the same, Yeah, like
defining moments where like, yeah, they were never Let's go
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back to our childhood because Danny G's a big Raiders fan.
When Bo Jackson ran over Brian Bosworth, Oh yeah, the
boss was never the same because that was the matchup.
If you remember, we were little kids and they lined up.
Bo Jackson flattened him worse than his haircut, worst than
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the Bosworth mohawk. Flat up. He had been talking lots
of trash leading up to that, remember, yeah, and flexing,
and bo Jackson just he did a Joey Chestnut on him.
He did so whether it's and again that highlight lives on,
like we still see that highlight, right, Yeah, so I'm
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with you. That's a great example. Brian Bosworth was just
like this mythical, magical guy back then, like yo, he's
a badass and how cool? How eighties cool was Bob? Yeah,
that's it. He had this like he had his Dolph
Lunger and sort of vibe about him. We're like I
would break you. Yeah, you know, after bo Jackson flattened him,
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he went to a practice squad level. It's true. I
don't know how, but the highlights just humiliated him. And
I feel the same way. And I could be wrong,
maybe something else happened, But Joey Bats Blue Jay's never
the same, you know. He went from hitting bombs and
bat flipp into I got punched in the face and
I was exposed. Joey Batts ended his did he end
his crew on the Mets for he got split second?
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I gotta look this up, because that's what I'm saying.
Like you, he went from dominant hitting bombs to getting
punched in the face. And what happened to him the
finding moment that he was never the same after I'm
opening it up to you way back on a Wednesday,
Like I said, it just got me thinking. I saw
old Door. Roof Nodle Door is still playing, you know,
I saw him hit a home run yesterday and it
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just made me think. And I know, on a side note,
roof Noodle Door doesn't really even like to talk about
that moment. He knows he doesn't want to be defined
by the guy that punched Joey Bats in the face.
Remember that moment. I got one for you. Well, I
have I have a I have one, but I have
a theory that there's a way to solve this. Okay, cool,
there's a way to correct it. And if you guys
want to chime in eight seven, seven, nine nine on Fox,
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we're talking about the moments. Whether they like it or not,
it could be an embarrassing moment. It could be one
moment in the game that defines your whole career. Meanwhile,
doesn't matter what else you did, it's all people will remember.
I see if you're on if I'm on the same track,
I have two and I'll write them down, and one
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is the there's a way around it. There's a a loophole.
Here's what I got. What do you got? Okay? I
feel like you're gonna bring up JR. Smith. No, but
that's a great one, right, Like the dude j R.
Smith with his head up his ass and Ron doing
the whole like wa do you do? And like pointing
his arms j R. Smith. You'll you'll forever think not JR. Smith,
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you know, great shooter, not R. Smith? You know, guys,
a winner? How about he just just all around all
around winner? Like you said, Eve, Ben. He's back in
school doing big things. He's living life. But we still
remember that moment. That sparked me thinking about what I
remember with Chris Webber, Yes time out. The guy had
a great career, Chris Webber. So how do you fix that?
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By the way, I'm dying, And I had the answer
on how to fix it because I have I have
one more and it's such an obvious one. I got
an obvious The obvious one is the legend Bill Buckner. Well,
great player, great career, in fact, early in his career,
solid defensive player, great bat, reliable guy, hard nosed ballplayer
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for for decades. The one ground ball through his legs
nineteen eighty six to find Buckler behind the bag gets
by Buckler, roundy thirds night, Mets win, defining moment and
probably mentally was never the same, you know, like Hattie
is sleep at night with that and the terrible part
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about it. And everybody knows this who was listening in
the Fox Sports radio like the Mets still, I mean,
the Red Sox still had one more chance and they
were winning game seven. Obody remembers that the Red Sox,
we're winning Game seven. After that, the Mets came back
and won the World Series. Okay, so something happened to
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finding one. Let me give you one more and tell
me how do you fix that? The greatest there was
no way back on a Wednesday. Nobody more dominant in
our life, even more dominant than Bo Jackson himself, Mike
tythan we referenced him before, I mean punch out. Even
Mike Tyson's punch out just solidified how invincible he was
(28:50):
to kids, right, Like, couldn't beat him in punch out.
I did there seven three seven three code to get
the How the hell do you remember that? But when
he got knocked out by James Buster Douglas in Tokyo,
one of the greatest upsets of all time, I want
to disagree with you. I was. I just think he was.
(29:10):
He was never the same. When you talk Tyson, the
average buffoon immediately thinks he bit a Vander's ear. He
can't escape the ear bite. Forget that Buster Douglas. Listen, everybody,
champion never the same. Buster Douglas knocked the fight out
of that guy. He uh, he exposed him and made
him human. He was he was, he was never the same.
(29:32):
That's how I feel. I'll give you a one hundred
percent agreement. That never the same after Buster Douglas, because
he was exposed. He was human. It's like when Drago
cut in Rocky four, like, oh he's human. But if
you talk about defining, he'll never No matter how great
Tyson is and we love him, and now he's got
his weed business. He's a podcaster, he's hilarious. We love
Iron Mike. But you can't think of Mike Tyson without thinking, yeah,
(29:55):
he bit a man's ear off. He made gummies with
the little ear. He is weed onmies that are shaped
like ears. But again, remember where I started. This conversation
was never the same again. Can I get some of those?
By the way, I'd love to try it. Joey Batts
was never the same after that punch to the face.
Same with Mike Tyson. You want another way out of this?
I have the way out. Okay, this is great. There's
there's an escape. There's only one escape plan. But but
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I want feedback too, whether you hit us up at
Covino and Rich on social media or eight seven seven
ninety nine Fox other defining moments where they were never
the same again. But how do you how do you
solve this I called the Christmas Party theory, Christmas Party Christmas.
I've been working with you on the air for seventeen
plus years. I've been friends with you for over twenty
(30:38):
years now. Happy anniversary, Happy anniversary, Bud, and you never
once mentioned the Christmas party theory. Not once. Is this
a world debut? You'll you'll know it. You just can't
be the one that's remembered. Let me explain. If you
go to your holiday party for work, if you get drunk,
(31:01):
maybe have an inappropriate conversation with a co worker, and
you're like, oh no, I had one too many open
bar cocktails. I don't want to get fired. Oh what
did I say? What did I do? You're safe if
there's one person at the party worse than you. Oh no.
One remembers that you were dancing on the bar where
(31:22):
showing everyone your nipples. They remember when Fred from mccouny
was doing the worst Fred from mccunny and grab someone's
but appropriately. Yeah, yeah, when the ties around your head.
Forget about everybody? Remember when I remember there was one
year at a holiday party where I was like, oh
I drank too much? Was I talking too much? Oh no?
Then I'm like, oh wait, two of the vps of
the company were caught making out in the corner. That's
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the story. I'm not the story. That's the story. Okay,
So wait, so you need a story that trumps that.
Trump's your bad story. And the best example would be
Robin Ventura, Okay, got hit by pitch Nolan Ryan, charges
the mound and twice his age, Nolan Ryan puts him
(32:06):
at a headlock, it starts punching him in the head
and he's sort of humiliated, young superstar, young superstar, Robin Ventura. Anyway,
it was it was at very much out of character
too for a Robin Ventura to charge the mound against
what seemed to be an old guy at the time,
a legend. Yeah, a legend at the time. So it
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was like at a character was odd and then he
got embarrassed and humiliated. Remember remember having the Robin Ventura
USA traded card I do. Actually, yeah, so Robin Ventura
Chicago white sock. Did you know what sad about that?
New York met again Yankee for a minute. Sixteen years
in the big leagues, almost two thousand. You know who
(32:50):
was right? Yeah, you know who was rocking a Robin
Ventura Jersey the other day. Oh, I'll give you a hint.
NBA superstar whose dad is affiliated with the Mets, Danny g.
Did you see Donovan Mitchell take him batting practice with
Pete Alonzo and Francisco Lindor. Donovan Mitchell was rocking the
old school black Mets jersey number four. Ventura. Oh wow,
(33:11):
so so again. He almost his three hundred home runs
sixteen years in the big leagues and what I remember most,
And he was a Yankee too, and I would watch
him all the time. He's a great player. I remember
him getting pummeled in a headline by Nolan Ryan. You
need a cooler moment, and Robin Ventura's cooler moment the
(33:32):
Grand Slam single. Oh that was good. He had a
moment that erased it erased the kind of like I mean,
Robin Ventura playoff game, hits a Grand Slam home run
in the rain, but because his teammates jump on him,
he never actually rounds the bags, so it's not it's
(33:55):
a Grand Slam. He gets credit for a single. So
because he had, you have to have an equally great
or bad moment to replace the previous one. Okay, that's
the rule. I like the theory, the Christmas party theory,
think about way back on the Wednesday, other defining moments
where someone was just never the same player again. And
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I want to thank you guys for hanging out with us.
And a shout out to Jason from The Doug Gottlieb
Show too. Yeah, Jason chiming in saying, uh, Edmonds, you know,
(36:04):
truth is Edmonds made all those great catches, he said,
but was it also in part because he sort of
lacks speed off the off the crack of the bat,
So he was always making these diving catches because he
didn't have maybe the speed of a Beltron or Gary Matthews.
You're saying, uh, he made over compensating. He made catches
that other people would have made easier. Yeah, you've seen that,
(36:27):
you see, you saw that in a little league when
you're a kid, like the one kid that unnecessarily dove
and you're like, yeah, if you just joined yeah, maybe
it was you, if you just joined us though, twenty
seven little range in the outfield. No, no, no, Look,
I'm here to tell you that the Jim Edmonds catch
is the greatest catch ever made in baseball. And I
(36:48):
mean that, and I believe that twenty five years ago,
even better than William Mays's catch. And you're saying that, well,
other people would have quite that easy. The true story,
the backstory behind it is that Joe Madden, who was
with the Angels at the time, called him in to
play in so he was playing really shallow, had to
go back to make that catch. So that's why we'll see.
(37:10):
That's why I was that would be the only spot
where I would debate you, because it seemed like Willie
ran a little bit more like Willie had to turn
on jet jets. You know what. I like that. I
gotta I gotta check that out again. See you see
the ground Willy May's covered on that play. I think
Willie made jet jets. And and uh, he talked to
my uncle about that and he said the reason why
his hat fell office because it was too small. Most
(37:31):
people thought it was too big. Oh so like on top.
Oh so William May's got a big head. Yeah yeah,
hold on, I got Now I'm gonna watch this now,
because again the whole point was before that we glorify
the past. But as I as I cue this up,
oh here it is all right now we're watching. I mean,
look at where it started. The jets on. Willie had
(37:52):
to turn them on and hadn't see him back then.
Now keep in mind what we said though too though,
no small hat, no one's yes, now I did just
see a tiny hat. Now, I just my daughter. Did
you know when you go to the ball games and
they put ice cream with a little helmet? Yeah right,
My daughter has her little Mets hat helmet, and we
got a Dodgers one at Dodger Stadium and she went
(38:13):
to put her on her head. She's like that it
doesn't fit. I go, baby, those hard for it? You
don't you hate somebody buys you a hat, it's the bomb,
and then it doesn't fit. Oh you know what actually
says here? William Mason was wearing an ice cream helmet
that day. Oh yeah, that's what it was. I saw
a name out there, Leon Lett as far as the
oh that's a good one. Never the same you just
(38:34):
said Leon lutt and before you and said, let I'm
thinking run down in the super Bowl, ball slapped away
from him? And why why did he do it? Right?
You know who caught him? Tom Baby? Right? That little
dude was fast now rich before you forget because it's
getting late early, as the great Yogi Barrow would say,
it's getting late early. You mentioned John Morant, and I'm
(38:56):
not gonna let you get off the hook with that one. Oh.
I love John Morant. I think the story is not
written yet, but as of right now, it seems like
him being the pick after Zion is sort of working
out from Memphis. Yeah, but then again, I'm so I
(39:18):
think of all the storylines in the NBA, you don't
think seeing what Zion has really made of is so
intriguing to everyone? Yeah, I mean right now when Kyrie
and you know, everybody's talking about that, that's yeah, where
where those superstars end up? Of course, But to me, yeah,
like what Zion are we gonna get? Like healthy? Is
(39:38):
he ready to go? We're gonna get a Zion that
we've been waiting a couple of years for now because
he could be a force, and they put him at
the point like and he just takes it to the
wheel and he's off the floor so fast on the
tip bat like Moses Malone style. He's dominant. Every time
he say Moses Malone, I think basket ball, basket But yeah,
(40:05):
Zion dominant. But Ja Morant as of now, seems to
be winning there. I don't know if if John Morant's
team wins without him. Don't that kind of line? Yeah,
that's true. They did, They did all right without him. Now,
Jah the money in the NBA now, and I'm not
for the owners keeping it. Hey spread the wealth to
the to these guys playing that are busting there, asked
(40:26):
to play. You call him Jah huh, But I feel
like you have to call him John Morant. Do you
call him Job Rule or you call him job John two?
Favorite Job John Rule. It's only one johh So, I mean, yes,
he's a great young star. But the fact that the
money being thrown around the NBA is amazing. You know,
(40:47):
it makes you want to become an NBA player. Every
little kid, you want to become an NBA player, and
forget every other support this earlier. How far down the
bench do you look at NBA players for you say, yeah,
I got what he's got. Oh me, I have a nasty,
uncontested three point shot. Yeah, no one's in his face.
Ego tells me that I could shoot just as good
as these guys if no one's defending men. Don't you
(41:07):
feel like your Farris just as good as I want
one of those those Danny g three h three seventies zs.
That's what I want Comino if the uncontested threes, Coino
would be great at horse or twenty one. Yeah, I'll
shoot around yesterday trying to get my shot back. But
he's making John Morant's making an average of about forty
something million a year. That Gil could be worth up
five years, worth up to two hundred and thirty one
(41:29):
million dollars for a kid that's proven himself, but not
I don't think proving himself five years to thirty proven
himself yet. Yeah, but the money in the NBA is awesome.
You gotta give glad he got it. Hey good? Good
for these players? Right? Do you what do you want?
Do you want the owners to be made to remain
multi billionaires? So you want to spread the well, spread
the well. Good for John Morant, good Tom Brady, good
(41:49):
for gay you know, good for everyone. Now, John Morant
left a five hundred dollars tip at a restaurant, and
there's a video that goes along with it. And again
I think it's a great gesture, but everyone keeps pointing out, like, yo,
John Morant left the five hundred bull tip. I'm thinking
five hundred dollars Again, for a guy that makes forty
(42:10):
plus a billion dollars a year, that's like five. It's
like the max. Please believe I'm in the background to
I get some of that. I did some of That's
that's really a drop in the buckets everybody. It's a
good story. But come on, all right, we'll see you
guys tomorrow. Until then, a ribby there at you baby,
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to impress. Learn more at mbusa dot com. Today Wednesday,
So Wednesday, it feels like a Tuesday, right with the
short work week. That's what I'm saying. We're halfway there.
We're living on a prayer. Yeah, I would think bunch
always more than halfway there by. Now they gotta be
like at least three fourths of the way there, gotta
be all right. Well, before we get to a John
(01:09):
Morantz story that might have you roll your eyes, but
it's a feel good story before you get to your
Jim Edmonds theory. It is July sixth, the sixth of July.
Gotta say what's up to? Uh my buddy rob who's
checking us out down and Florida. He's one of the
optimistic fans. You know, I have two types of fan friends.
(01:30):
The ones that are optimistic until the team lets you down.
And then there's the other type of guy, which is
my team stinks and they're negative, negative, negative until something
good happens. Bullpen stinks. Whole team stinks. Yeah, they're in
first place. They stink. He's the positive guy. So what's
up roby rob Um couple birthdays today July six that
(01:55):
I think you're noteworthy. Kevin Hart's birthdays today turns forty three.
What I love him? All right? Okay, happy birthday. I
know you're a big fan of Tan Tamaraw. It's their
birthday today. Fifty cent turns forty seven today, feel old
and one more. You're like Rocky Balboa. Still birthday stallone.
(02:21):
Happy birthday in meet is seventy six today. It'd be
cool if he had a robot to wish him happy birthday. Yeah,
but they got rid of that in the Rocky fort.
I don't like the robot yo yo. It's mainly you know,
so happy birthday, Slice stallone. All right, Well, if you
share a birthday with them, happy birthday to you. I
(02:42):
hope you had a great Tuesday night. And Max Scherzer
eleven strike counts in a losing performance sort of Tuesday night.
Even though the Mets lost, he was great. And by
the way, he surpassed John Smaltz as far as strike days,
and I think he's about to catch up to Cec Sabathia.
So sharts are making history breaking records. He's back. It's
(03:05):
great for baseball. You know what's you know, it's wild
about the strikeout record. They talked about this last night
on the Mets Reds broadcast. When you know Schertz or
like you said, keeps moving up the board, I just
like it just puts things in perspective, you know, when
you hear about I don't know, just Lebron's scoring right
and he's chasing cream Abdul Jabar, It's like it just
(03:28):
puts things in perspective. Two active pitchers that are neck
and neck. I think Maxwell end up on top because
he's a couple of years younger, but very Lander has
three thousand and eighty five strikeouts and Max has I'm sorry, no,
(03:48):
Very Lander's got thirty one oh three. Max has three
thousand and ninety. Sabathia right in between them. But when
you look at that list, they were talking about how
everyone's sort of in reach except Randy Johnson, who just
Randy Johnson and Clemens both have over forty five hundred.
But then on a different playing field like Nolan Ryan's
(04:11):
fifty seven fourteen, He's like the Joey Chestnut of fish.
That's the way I've always thought about it. He just
leaps and bounds. Nolan Ryan like doing Gero Tall commercials
before he retired. Yes, yes, he was one hundred and
forty I think when he retired. But it's like, it's
such an unbelievable number. When you think about guys like
Bernland or Sabbathias he wore Rockport cleats. I think Didney
(04:35):
Pedro who was so old still striking people out, Maddox,
Walter Johnson, Gaylord, Perry Tom sever these guys all having
the three thousand to thirty five thirty six hundred range.
And then to think Nolan Ryan fifty seven hundred just
seems like fake, right, It's incredible. Yeah, as again, Sharzer
climbs the list, passing big names as of yesterday. You
(04:58):
ever did the math on that where you see guy
and you're like, oh, if he has three or four
more years and he does this, where will he end up?
I think Schartzer could be. He's got three more years
and five hundred strikeouts left, he could end up top
ten over Maddox, who's got thirty three hundred, Walter Johnson's
got thirty five. I say definitely, yeah, yeah, I mean
(05:19):
he puts the best puts in perspective, how some of
these guys are more legendary than you think because we
glorify the past. And there's an article today I saw.
I didn't read it, I saw it. You know, starting
pitching is a dying breed. These guys go five six innings. Now. Yeah,
I think the average pitch counter something is ten pitches
(05:41):
lower than it used to be, Like it's eighty four
pitches per game. So when you got starters pitching less
and guys like Sharts are still moving up, you know,
you gotta remember guys like Nolan Ryan, guys like Randy Johnson, Clemens.
They pitched complete games if they could. Now you're seeing
less and less of that. So for these guys to
(06:02):
even be in the conversation is even more impressive. They
were saying, how Shares is one of the only old
school guys where he wants to go all nine. He
wanted to go, and the pitching coach knows not to
talk to Max unless it's we're taking him out because
the visit to the mound, Max shots were gotten. No
time for that, right, like he doesn't want to visit
(06:22):
to the mound. Then they were saying, the only comparable
person that had that type of intensity when our parents
were younger, a little before our time, the mad Hungarian. No,
but apparently Bob Gibson. Oh yeah, of course, they said,
if you tried to go, if a coach tried to
go to the mound and talk to him or he
would be like, are you at her? Well, he'd put
(06:42):
fear into everybody. Yeah, and coaches and opponents, you name it.
And then you look at Bob gibson stats all the
complete games he had. Those guys didn't come out of games.
So that article is true. The starting pitching. We've talked
about it for years, but more so than ever, Like
you're right now, it's like eighty to ninety pitches eighty four.
I think again, the average has gone down. It continues
(07:04):
to go down as far as starting pitching. So we
started starting pitching. Go in the future. One last Nolan
Ryan shout out. Since we brought him up. Have you
seen that meme floating around where there's there were games
where before they actually technically counted pitches. You'd be like,
Nolan Ryan throw two forty. How different game? I know,
(07:24):
different game, But you know what ties in perfectly to
my Jim Edmonds theory speaking of baseball. It really does.
We've been waiting speaking of baseball because we've been waiting.
Glorify the past. We do it all the time. I
tell you what shures is great. But let me tell
you about Nolan Ryan. Let me tell you about Bob Gibson. Yep.
(07:45):
Let me tell you about some some old pitcher in
black and white. You know, oh, because it's in black
and white, it's the greatest. Let me tell you about
Lefty grow No, seriously, yeah, give you some old you know,
some old old timey times sounding name. He was the best.
It's just part of our nature part of our culture
to glorify the past. Oh yeah, well what about the
(08:06):
greats today? For some reason, we could notice it, but
we don't acknowledge it the same way. It takes a
lot of time to really settle in. We always give
we have a classic Cavino and Rich example that we
always go to go. It's a good go through though,
and please explain. People love to always talk about I mean, listen,
he's great, but people love to talk about Sandy Kofax
(08:29):
and some of the great postseason moments in baseball history,
but no one loves to put Madison Bumgardner in that conversation.
Don Drysdale, Oh, Don Drysdale, Sandy Kofax, this guy, Oh,
we'll get his postseason. Why not throw Madison Bumgardner like
what five six years ago? Actually longer eight years. It
seemed to us that he's single handedly won that World
(08:53):
Series in twenty fourteen, right like put the team on
his back. He's like, Bumgardner, got it. Yet we still
talk about Drysdale and we talk about you know it
black and white. Not to take away from the greatness
of Yester here, but we glorify the past. Meanwhile, bum
Garner should be in that conversation. No, that performance was Yeah, Okay,
(09:15):
that goes along with my Jim Edmonds theory, and I'll
give you my train track of thought. Okay, yesterday, I'm
watching the Yankees because that's what I do. They lost
it to Pirates. I won't hold it against it. John
Carlos Stanton, it's a frozen rope that stays up just
a little too long. But this guy, Brian Reynolds on
(09:36):
the Pirates makes a really great catch. Yeah, but it
was a good catch. It wasn't like tremendous, but it
got me thinking. That's just my train track of thought.
It got me thinking because I saw this highlight recently
and I feel like it's gone viral for some reason.
Maybe there's an anniversary of it that I don't know about,
but I've seen it on social media. I've seen it recently,
(09:59):
and I'm talking about that Jim Edmonds catch when he
was on the Angels he robbed some royal? Who was that?
Who did he rob? That's the trivia question in himself.
That's next level. Dawned on me that this is the
greatest catch of all time and we still go back
because we glorify the past, and we talk about Willie Mays,
(10:20):
and I know that William May's catch was great and
the moment, the moment matters, And is that really the
defining factor because in that case, what about Andy Chavez?
Like we said before, like that was a big moment,
but no one really talks about that catch regardless of
the moment. And I know that is a factor. But
(10:42):
regardless of the moment. That Jim Edmonds catch might be
the greatest catch of all time. And I'm here to
tell you that I thought about it, like I really
thought about it, and it is it's better than that
I've watched it. I watched back and forth them like,
let me see this, Williams may be the greatest catch
of all times. Over the shoulder, over the shouldered, over
the shoulder, laying out leaps toward the fence. It is
(11:06):
the most amazing catch our eyes have ever seen. But
no one gives it. Yeah, I'm here to say that
it is not to take away from Willie Mays or
the moment. If we're gonna talk the greatest catch ever
and the guy did it all the time. Jim Edmonds
used the Catchhiman his back pocket. He made that stuff
(11:28):
look easy. That catch he made against the Royals. I
don't know who it was, some bald royal. Who was it?
Steve Balboni? He didn't have a mustache. It was some
I could picture the guy who was it? The sightser
don't Yes, it's Kevin Sightzer, but uh, Jim Edmonds lays out.
Everybody knows what I'm talking about again, those pinch stripe
(11:51):
ugly Angels uniforms. He lays out and makes the most
miraculous catch of all time, telling you here my mild
take on Fox Sports Radio as of today July six,
twenty twenty two, that is Sli's birthday. Slides birthday. Yo. Absolutely,
that was the greatest catch. So it's only outfielders that
(12:13):
can qualify. No, no about the pictures. I think there's
been a lot of great What about the picture who
caught the direct ball right at him behind his bat?
There's been some great catches. I see that a lot, though.
There was one last night. Who is it? I think
someone on the Braves did it yesterday, like when they
do that behind the back. Yeah, that reaction. Look, they're
(12:33):
all great, but I gotta stay in my ground. Joel,
you know that I got a double death. Jim. This
Jim Edmonds catch is by far, I think the best
catch ever and I don't think it gets enough love.
Like I don't. I don't see enough Jim Edmonds in
the highlights. Yeah, well you know what it is. We've
talked about this before, so I don't want to and
again on a way back Wednesday, it's just something that's
(12:55):
been on my mind. I don't I don't want to
be a broken record because we've talked about this. But
then again new audience, Stan Patrick Love hanging Love hanging
in for him here in Fox Sports, the past is glorified.
I don't know if it's because it's the highlights and
the reels of old footage we watched when we were kids,
Like they would always have the same blooper videos and
the same highlight video, so maybe they're ingrained in our head.
(13:18):
But I will say there is a current highlight that
does get the credit it deserves, because I would say
nine out of ten times they there is a way
that the past is glorified more than the current day.
But that Odell Beckham junior catch did get the props
that deserved. In fact, you could argue that Odell Beckham
(13:40):
Junior until his performance for the Rams last year. He
was living off that catch for a while, living off
of it, I agree with made that catch and had
some average performances for a couple of years. But everyone's like,
that's average. Yeah, but Odell Beckham, that's that might be disappointing.
(14:03):
The best football catch of all time. But as far
as baseball catches, could you know the Jim edmids one? Maybe?
Is it? Is it an anniversary of it or no?
I think in June. Maybe that's why you know. I'm
doing a little catch up here because I was trying
to figure out which royal he robbed? Who was that
royal he robbed? And I think it was twenty five
years ago last month, and that's why I've been seeing
(14:24):
it more and more again. But look at this still
image twenty five years ago. Jim Edmonds made one of
the greatest catches. I'm here to say, no, not one.
If I had a vote on the greatest catch of
all time, the dude is full on, laid out, going backwards,
going toward the wall. No less, made the greatest catch
(14:47):
I think in baseball history. When it comes to the
past versus the president and letting it breathe. Right, Like
they always say with with presidents and politicians, he can't
really judge the work of a man or woman until
they're older, right in the moment. It's really tough. Like
it's hard to really assess presidents until decades later. Right, Yeah,
(15:07):
you need perspective, perspective their policies to have worked or failed.
You need time. And I think maybe in sports we
need time to really digest Like, what did they do
telling you it's time? It's time? Jim Edmonds twenty years later,
It's time, guys. If it gives us any credibility, I
think it does that we're on Fox Sports Radio and
we're lifelong fans. That's the greatest catch, and you know what,
(15:29):
you know what else doesn't get enough love. I saw
this on a highlight recently too. I'm not saying it's
the greatest catch of all time, but doesn't get enough love.
When Kenny Lofton climbs defense and he stepped, he steps
on the little ledge times it out perfectly. Yo, That
catch is insane. The timing involved on that Kenny Lofton
(15:52):
when he climbs and stands on the wall, he stands
on that padding. Oh yeah, and then cad like that
was amazing easy. But again, we glorify I'll tell you
how I know, we glorify the past. I'm on a
couple corny like baseball facebook pages and groups and stuff,
just to you know, talk crap with people every time.
(16:14):
It's like, make your all times starting lineup. Everyone on
everyone's all time starting lineup. It's like old old players
all the time. Again, Ted Williams at Gary you're naming,
did you try to tell me no one's been better
in the last fifty to one hundred years. Yeah, exactly.
And uh, since I'm talking about Jim Edmunds way back
(16:36):
on a Wednesday, he did make a legendary catch when
he was a cardinal two thousand and four NLCS Game seven,
So it's not like he just made meaningless amazing catches.
This dude was an artist at it is. Honestly, is
this your way of just letting the world know you're
a huge Jim Edmands guy. No, dude, honestly, it's just
(16:57):
that I just say it. Tell everyone you love Jimmis.
You know what, Sometimes you hear names and you're like,
no one talks about this guy enough and you're here
to give him. I'm here to say, you know what,
way back on a Wednesday, he deserves the credit. That
dude made insane. Count Jim follow He just followed you
on Twitter? All right? We had more Cavino Rich in
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(17:18):
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this out. I did some research again way back on
a Wednesday, the Jim Edmonds legendary catch. It was twenty
(18:01):
five years ago, last a month. That's why I'm seeing
the highlights more and more often, I guess. But it
dawned on me anyway, just based on a great catch.
Yesterday and the Pirates game, Pirates Yankees, that Jim and
Jim Edmonds. It was a human highlight reel. It doesn't
get enough credit, but that was the greatest catch ball time.
Six ninety seven is when it happened, and he robbed
(18:23):
number six of the Royals at the time, David Howard,
That's who it was. So I looked it up because
it made me think too, like, how do you feel
being on the other end of history. I listen because
because Joe Madden was coaching that that year, I think
he was a coach on the Angels. He looks back
and says, you know, after that happened, he said, well, Jim,
(18:45):
Jim Edmonds made you famous that day. I see David
Howard is the guy that hit that ball. I wonder
if everyone knows the exact catch you speak of. They should, dude,
they should. A sports fan, you should know the catch.
But I'm here to acknowledge it as the greatest catch
(19:05):
over the Willie Mays catch. They essentially did the same
thing over the shoulder, but Jim Edmonds leaped full body,
full extension, dived toward the wall and made that catch.
It's a better catch. It's like even debate. It is
a waste of time. We just glorify the past and
(19:27):
we're moving on. Official Turge agrees with you on Twitter.
It's good, said, good take on Edmonds Camino. But for
us so call Angels fans, we've known that since ninety seven. Yeah,
but again, it took twenty five years for the highlight
to resurface, for people to say, all right, yeah, maybe
it was the best catch and it's no disrespect to
(19:49):
any other previous legendary moment. Gary hit us up on
Twitter at covin on and wretched. He said, you're talking
about catchers, just throw this in there. The immaculate reception.
David Hyree Football on helmet amazing to continue the drive
and beat the undefeated Patriots. That is significant when you
(20:11):
talk about when it's significant versus like a wasted moment.
To tie it all together, ties everything together. If you
missed anything, Fox Sports Radio dot Com and thanks for
all your feedback. I want to thank you know Dan
Patrick's listeners too, Thanks for checking us out. We're here
tomorrow as well, Cavino and Rich. Now we're in the
(20:32):
middle of my deep thoughts, right my deep baseball thoughts.
Cavino's deep thoughts. Well, you know what, it's summertime, right,
It's summertime, so you know, you really can't be that
much in football mode. Yet some offseason moves. People are
wondering what's gonna happen with Baker and Deshaun Watson. There's
still a few moves basketball. Everyone's wondering who's going where.
But you're right, it's like that they call the dog
(20:52):
days of summer just baseball, nothing much else. Well again,
remember Brian Reynolds of the Pirates got me thinking about
Jim Edmans. Yesterday I saw Odor Rufe net o'door former Yankee.
He's never been the same, no, no, no, no, he
he he changed someone else's career. And I know what
(21:14):
you're thinking, And that's where my mind went. Odor plays
for the Orioles now, and he's a great team guy.
He hits bombs. But Ruf Nettle Door hit a bomb yesterday,
hit a home run yesterday, right, And I saw I'm
just watching the highlights. I don't watch the Orioles. I'm
just watching the highlights, and I feel bad. I feel
(21:36):
bad for the Orioles. You know why why they're actually
turning it on and they're pretty decent. It's just they're
in the best division in baseball. That the luck is
the Orioles are trying to build something. Got a great stadium,
they do, they do? They definitely they were a great
fan base spot there. Trying to build something in a
(21:56):
division where the Yankees are going to break possibly the
best season record this year. The Red Sox, Blue Jays,
and Rays would all make the playoffs as the three
wild cards if the season ended today. So you try
to build something and your four division opponents are all
playoff caliber team, So Baltimore, it's like an uphill battle. Yeah,
(22:19):
I don't really care about them. As a Yankees fan,
I don't care. They were in Likelitz in the Ale Central.
That's a team that can make noise in the next
year or so. Just you're stuck in the best division.
Well feel me on this, Danny g Joel Monsey, everybody
listening hanging out with us? Rufe Neeodor hit a mom.
I'm just watching the highlights and it got me thinking, Yeah,
(22:40):
Rufe netto door, no matter how many bombs he hits,
no matter how likable he is in the clubhouse, no
matter how great his beard is. Yes, his defining moment
is when he punched Joey Bats in the face. It's
the truth. It's true, right because Bautista is nasty at
that time. Time too. You remember that Batista flips and
(23:02):
the dude legendary bat flip ain't there. In my opinion,
Bautista has Joey Batts has two defining moments, and he
was a great player. That bat flip was insane. I
have a theory, right, but I have a theory too.
Here's my theory. Joey Bats and you already said it.
He took the words right right out of my mouth,
meat loaf mom, the meet lof when rufnan Odor punched
(23:28):
Joey Bats in the face. I don't think Bautista ever recovered.
I don't think he was ever the same player. I
think his mojo was ruined because he was this big,
bad Joey Bats who got punched in the face by
little second baseman. It sort of chumped him. Nationwide, everyone
saw it. I think it deflated him. I feel like
he lost his mojo, he lost his swag, he lost
(23:49):
his step, and he was never the same player. I mean,
maybe there's more to it, but that's the my public
opinion calling Danny G. Because I have an example of
I feel like Danny's gonna be like yo, good one
rich talking about players never being the same, Yeah, like
defining moments where like, yeah, they were never Let's go
(24:09):
back to our childhood because Danny G's a big Raiders fan.
When Bo Jackson ran over Brian Bosworth, Oh yeah, the
boss was never the same because that was the matchup.
If you remember, we were little kids and they lined up.
Bo Jackson flattened him worse than his haircut, worst than
(24:29):
the Bosworth mohawk. Flat up. He had been talking lots
of trash leading up to that, remember, yeah, and flexing,
and bo Jackson just he did a Joey Chestnut on him.
He did so whether it's and again that highlight lives on,
like we still see that highlight, right, Yeah, so I'm
(24:51):
with you. That's a great example. Brian Bosworth was just
like this mythical, magical guy back then, like yo, he's
a badass and how cool? How eighties cool was Bob? Yeah,
that's it. He had this like he had his Dolph
Lunger and sort of vibe about him. We're like I
would break you. Yeah, you know, after bo Jackson flattened him,
(25:11):
he went to a practice squad level. It's true. I
don't know how, but the highlights just humiliated him. And
I feel the same way. And I could be wrong,
maybe something else happened, But Joey Bats Blue Jay's never
the same, you know. He went from hitting bombs and
bat flipp into I got punched in the face and
I was exposed. Joey Batts ended his did he end
his crew on the Mets for he got split second?
(25:32):
I gotta look this up, because that's what I'm saying.
Like you, he went from dominant hitting bombs to getting
punched in the face. And what happened to him the
finding moment that he was never the same after I'm
opening it up to you way back on a Wednesday,
Like I said, it just got me thinking. I saw
old Door. Roof Nodle Door is still playing, you know,
I saw him hit a home run yesterday and it
(25:53):
just made me think. And I know, on a side note,
roof Noodle Door doesn't really even like to talk about
that moment. He knows he doesn't want to be defined
by the guy that punched Joey Bats in the face.
Remember that moment. I got one for you. Well, I
have I have a I have one, but I have
a theory that there's a way to solve this. Okay, cool,
there's a way to correct it. And if you guys
want to chime in eight seven, seven, nine nine on Fox,
(26:16):
we're talking about the moments. Whether they like it or not,
it could be an embarrassing moment. It could be one
moment in the game that defines your whole career. Meanwhile,
doesn't matter what else you did, it's all people will remember.
I see if you're on if I'm on the same track,
I have two and I'll write them down, and one
(26:36):
is the there's a way around it. There's a a loophole.
Here's what I got. What do you got? Okay? I
feel like you're gonna bring up JR. Smith. No, but
that's a great one, right, Like the dude j R.
Smith with his head up his ass and Ron doing
the whole like wa do you do? And like pointing
his arms j R. Smith. You'll you'll forever think not JR. Smith,
(26:58):
you know, great shooter, not R. Smith? You know, guys,
a winner? How about he just just all around all
around winner? Like you said, Eve, Ben. He's back in
school doing big things. He's living life. But we still
remember that moment. That sparked me thinking about what I
remember with Chris Webber, Yes time out. The guy had
a great career, Chris Webber. So how do you fix that?
(27:21):
By the way, I'm dying, And I had the answer
on how to fix it because I have I have
one more and it's such an obvious one. I got
an obvious The obvious one is the legend Bill Buckner. Well,
great player, great career, in fact, early in his career,
solid defensive player, great bat, reliable guy, hard nosed ballplayer
(27:44):
for for decades. The one ground ball through his legs
nineteen eighty six to find Buckler behind the bag gets
by Buckler, roundy thirds night, Mets win, defining moment and
probably mentally was never the same, you know, like Hattie
is sleep at night with that and the terrible part
(28:04):
about it. And everybody knows this who was listening in
the Fox Sports radio like the Mets still, I mean,
the Red Sox still had one more chance and they
were winning game seven. Obody remembers that the Red Sox,
we're winning Game seven. After that, the Mets came back
and won the World Series. Okay, so something happened to
(28:27):
finding one. Let me give you one more and tell
me how do you fix that? The greatest there was
no way back on a Wednesday. Nobody more dominant in
our life, even more dominant than Bo Jackson himself, Mike
tythan we referenced him before, I mean punch out. Even
Mike Tyson's punch out just solidified how invincible he was
(28:50):
to kids, right, Like, couldn't beat him in punch out.
I did there seven three seven three code to get
the How the hell do you remember that? But when
he got knocked out by James Buster Douglas in Tokyo,
one of the greatest upsets of all time, I want
to disagree with you. I was. I just think he was.
(29:10):
He was never the same. When you talk Tyson, the
average buffoon immediately thinks he bit a Vander's ear. He
can't escape the ear bite. Forget that Buster Douglas. Listen, everybody,
champion never the same. Buster Douglas knocked the fight out
of that guy. He uh, he exposed him and made
him human. He was he was, he was never the same.
(29:32):
That's how I feel. I'll give you a one hundred
percent agreement. That never the same after Buster Douglas, because
he was exposed. He was human. It's like when Drago
cut in Rocky four, like, oh he's human. But if
you talk about defining, he'll never No matter how great
Tyson is and we love him, and now he's got
his weed business. He's a podcaster, he's hilarious. We love
Iron Mike. But you can't think of Mike Tyson without thinking, yeah,
(29:55):
he bit a man's ear off. He made gummies with
the little ear. He is weed onmies that are shaped
like ears. But again, remember where I started. This conversation
was never the same again. Can I get some of those?
By the way, I'd love to try it. Joey Batts
was never the same after that punch to the face.
Same with Mike Tyson. You want another way out of this?
I have the way out. Okay, this is great. There's
there's an escape. There's only one escape plan. But but
(30:17):
I want feedback too, whether you hit us up at
Covino and Rich on social media or eight seven seven
ninety nine Fox other defining moments where they were never
the same again. But how do you how do you
solve this I called the Christmas Party theory, Christmas Party Christmas.
I've been working with you on the air for seventeen
plus years. I've been friends with you for over twenty
(30:38):
years now. Happy anniversary, Happy anniversary, Bud, and you never
once mentioned the Christmas party theory. Not once. Is this
a world debut? You'll you'll know it. You just can't
be the one that's remembered. Let me explain. If you
go to your holiday party for work, if you get drunk,
(31:01):
maybe have an inappropriate conversation with a co worker, and
you're like, oh no, I had one too many open
bar cocktails. I don't want to get fired. Oh what
did I say? What did I do? You're safe if
there's one person at the party worse than you. Oh no.
One remembers that you were dancing on the bar where
(31:22):
showing everyone your nipples. They remember when Fred from mccouny
was doing the worst Fred from mccunny and grab someone's
but appropriately. Yeah, yeah, when the ties around your head.
Forget about everybody? Remember when I remember there was one
year at a holiday party where I was like, oh
I drank too much? Was I talking too much? Oh no?
Then I'm like, oh wait, two of the vps of
the company were caught making out in the corner. That's
(31:44):
the story. I'm not the story. That's the story. Okay,
So wait, so you need a story that trumps that.
Trump's your bad story. And the best example would be
Robin Ventura, Okay, got hit by pitch Nolan Ryan, charges
the mound and twice his age, Nolan Ryan puts him
(32:06):
at a headlock, it starts punching him in the head
and he's sort of humiliated, young superstar, young superstar, Robin Ventura. Anyway,
it was it was at very much out of character
too for a Robin Ventura to charge the mound against
what seemed to be an old guy at the time,
a legend. Yeah, a legend at the time. So it
(32:28):
was like at a character was odd and then he
got embarrassed and humiliated. Remember remember having the Robin Ventura
USA traded card I do. Actually, yeah, so Robin Ventura
Chicago white sock. Did you know what sad about that?
New York met again Yankee for a minute. Sixteen years
in the big leagues, almost two thousand. You know who
(32:50):
was right? Yeah, you know who was rocking a Robin
Ventura Jersey the other day. Oh, I'll give you a hint.
NBA superstar whose dad is affiliated with the Mets, Danny g.
Did you see Donovan Mitchell take him batting practice with
Pete Alonzo and Francisco Lindor. Donovan Mitchell was rocking the
old school black Mets jersey number four. Ventura. Oh wow,
(33:11):
so so again. He almost his three hundred home runs
sixteen years in the big leagues and what I remember most,
And he was a Yankee too, and I would watch
him all the time. He's a great player. I remember
him getting pummeled in a headline by Nolan Ryan. You
need a cooler moment, and Robin Ventura's cooler moment the
(33:32):
Grand Slam single. Oh that was good. He had a
moment that erased it erased the kind of like I mean,
Robin Ventura playoff game, hits a Grand Slam home run
in the rain, but because his teammates jump on him,
he never actually rounds the bags, so it's not it's
(33:55):
a Grand Slam. He gets credit for a single. So
because he had, you have to have an equally great
or bad moment to replace the previous one. Okay, that's
the rule. I like the theory, the Christmas party theory,
think about way back on the Wednesday, other defining moments
where someone was just never the same player again. And
(34:17):
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I want to thank you guys for hanging out with us.
And a shout out to Jason from The Doug Gottlieb
Show too. Yeah, Jason chiming in saying, uh, Edmonds, you know,
(36:04):
truth is Edmonds made all those great catches, he said,
but was it also in part because he sort of
lacks speed off the off the crack of the bat,
So he was always making these diving catches because he
didn't have maybe the speed of a Beltron or Gary Matthews.
You're saying, uh, he made over compensating. He made catches
that other people would have made easier. Yeah, you've seen that,
(36:27):
you see, you saw that in a little league when
you're a kid, like the one kid that unnecessarily dove
and you're like, yeah, if you just joined yeah, maybe
it was you, if you just joined us though, twenty
seven little range in the outfield. No, no, no, Look,
I'm here to tell you that the Jim Edmonds catch
is the greatest catch ever made in baseball. And I
(36:48):
mean that, and I believe that twenty five years ago,
even better than William Mays's catch. And you're saying that, well,
other people would have quite that easy. The true story,
the backstory behind it is that Joe Madden, who was
with the Angels at the time, called him in to
play in so he was playing really shallow, had to
go back to make that catch. So that's why we'll see.
(37:10):
That's why I was that would be the only spot
where I would debate you, because it seemed like Willie
ran a little bit more like Willie had to turn
on jet jets. You know what. I like that. I
gotta I gotta check that out again. See you see
the ground Willy May's covered on that play. I think
Willie made jet jets. And and uh, he talked to
my uncle about that and he said the reason why
his hat fell office because it was too small. Most
(37:31):
people thought it was too big. Oh so like on top.
Oh so William May's got a big head. Yeah yeah,
hold on, I got Now I'm gonna watch this now,
because again the whole point was before that we glorify
the past. But as I as I cue this up,
oh here it is all right now we're watching. I mean,
look at where it started. The jets on. Willie had
(37:52):
to turn them on and hadn't see him back then.
Now keep in mind what we said though too though,
no small hat, no one's yes, now I did just
see a tiny hat. Now, I just my daughter. Did
you know when you go to the ball games and
they put ice cream with a little helmet? Yeah right,
My daughter has her little Mets hat helmet, and we
got a Dodgers one at Dodger Stadium and she went
(38:13):
to put her on her head. She's like that it
doesn't fit. I go, baby, those hard for it? You
don't you hate somebody buys you a hat, it's the bomb,
and then it doesn't fit. Oh you know what actually
says here? William Mason was wearing an ice cream helmet
that day. Oh yeah, that's what it was. I saw
a name out there, Leon Lett as far as the
oh that's a good one. Never the same you just
(38:34):
said Leon lutt and before you and said, let I'm
thinking run down in the super Bowl, ball slapped away
from him? And why why did he do it? Right?
You know who caught him? Tom Baby? Right? That little
dude was fast now rich before you forget because it's
getting late early, as the great Yogi Barrow would say,
it's getting late early. You mentioned John Morant, and I'm
(38:56):
not gonna let you get off the hook with that one. Oh.
I love John Morant. I think the story is not
written yet, but as of right now, it seems like
him being the pick after Zion is sort of working
out from Memphis. Yeah, but then again, I'm so I
(39:18):
think of all the storylines in the NBA, you don't
think seeing what Zion has really made of is so
intriguing to everyone? Yeah, I mean right now when Kyrie
and you know, everybody's talking about that, that's yeah, where
where those superstars end up? Of course, But to me, yeah,
like what Zion are we gonna get? Like healthy? Is
(39:38):
he ready to go? We're gonna get a Zion that
we've been waiting a couple of years for now because
he could be a force, and they put him at
the point like and he just takes it to the
wheel and he's off the floor so fast on the
tip bat like Moses Malone style. He's dominant. Every time
he say Moses Malone, I think basket ball, basket But yeah,
(40:05):
Zion dominant. But Ja Morant as of now, seems to
be winning there. I don't know if if John Morant's
team wins without him. Don't that kind of line? Yeah,
that's true. They did, They did all right without him. Now,
Jah the money in the NBA now, and I'm not
for the owners keeping it. Hey spread the wealth to
the to these guys playing that are busting there, asked
(40:26):
to play. You call him Jah huh, But I feel
like you have to call him John Morant. Do you
call him Job Rule or you call him job John two?
Favorite Job John Rule. It's only one johh So, I mean, yes,
he's a great young star. But the fact that the
money being thrown around the NBA is amazing. You know,
(40:47):
it makes you want to become an NBA player. Every
little kid, you want to become an NBA player, and
forget every other support this earlier. How far down the
bench do you look at NBA players for you say, yeah,
I got what he's got. Oh me, I have a nasty,
uncontested three point shot. Yeah, no one's in his face.
Ego tells me that I could shoot just as good
as these guys if no one's defending men. Don't you
(41:07):
feel like your Farris just as good as I want
one of those those Danny g three h three seventies zs.
That's what I want Comino if the uncontested threes, Coino
would be great at horse or twenty one. Yeah, I'll
shoot around yesterday trying to get my shot back. But
he's making John Morant's making an average of about forty
something million a year. That Gil could be worth up
five years, worth up to two hundred and thirty one
(41:29):
million dollars for a kid that's proven himself, but not
I don't think proving himself five years to thirty proven
himself yet. Yeah, but the money in the NBA is awesome.
You gotta give glad he got it. Hey good? Good
for these players? Right? Do you what do you want?
Do you want the owners to be made to remain
multi billionaires? So you want to spread the well, spread
the well. Good for John Morant, good Tom Brady, good
(41:49):
for gay you know, good for everyone. Now, John Morant
left a five hundred dollars tip at a restaurant, and
there's a video that goes along with it. And again
I think it's a great gesture, but everyone keeps pointing out, like, yo,
John Morant left the five hundred bull tip. I'm thinking
five hundred dollars Again, for a guy that makes forty
(42:10):
plus a billion dollars a year, that's like five. It's
like the max. Please believe I'm in the background to
I get some of that. I did some of That's
that's really a drop in the buckets everybody. It's a
good story. But come on, all right, we'll see you
guys tomorrow. Until then, a ribby there at you baby,
see you in the Promised Land. Goodbye, guys, Right,
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