February 5, 2026 • 35 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open the show discussing the fact that Tom Brady is remaining impartial in a Super Bowl featuring his former team, the Patriots... Why isn't he rooting for his former squad? Then they move into a Super Bowl preview, looking ahead to the big game and previewing things from the standpoint of both teams. What will be the deciding factors? Who could ultimately win Super Bowl MVP? They close out the show with their official predictions!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
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Here's Dan Byer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Here it is our Super Bowl Preview edition. If I
want your Flex, find Mike on ex at Swollen Dome.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. And
our executive producer is Ian Roddy. You can find him
at Ian Roddy Underscore. I am in San Francisco on
Radio Row. Mike's back at the headquarters in LA at
the time of this recording. The NFL Honors are going
on right now, so we may just got to stay
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away from some of the awards, but if they pile in,
who knows, we could do breaking news on a POTB guest.
That may be a first, but still a lot to
talk about, including the game coming up on Sunday, Patriots
and Seahawks from Santa Clara, some angles and stuff that
we'll get to later. But a week, Mike, usually in
the National Football League where we have a lot of headlines,
and leading up to this week outside of the game,
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it's been more about what is and isn't happening in
the NBA than anything that's happening in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, it's it, right.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I mean, we had the Hall of Fame chatter, right,
so here's Kraft, here's Belichick, and that carried a lot
of the freight. You got Brady not picking a side
that seems to have enraged everybody. You've got the fact
that neither of the Super Bowl contenders wanted to practice
at the forty nine ers facility. Whether it's voodoo or
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the substation effect, they stayed away otherwise, Yeah, it was
all about rumor, conjecture, speculation. Yannis, your guy finally puts
out is Leonardo DiCaprio's statement of I'm not blame and
leave in so we can at least clap our hands
and move on from that. But yeah, the NBA absolutely dominating,
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just as it did a year ago when Luca got dealt.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it is crazy on how it kind of didn't
take over the talk, but the NFL hasn't provided tons
and tons of action of players getting traded.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
And all the coaching jobs are now filled.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But the Brady angle is interesting because I'm trying to
figure out what angle he's approaching this from, because he
can do.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
It from a variety of angles.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You can do it as Raiders by minority owner, you
could do it as former Patriots quarterback.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Heck, you can do it as former Buccaneers quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And for him to not make a pick, I think
he's coming from the angle of I don't want another
Patriots quarterback to win a Super Bowl, like I feel
that if Drake may wins, Tom Brady feels that it
may take a little bit of the shine off of
his tenure in New England, which I don't think is
possible to do, but it just may make them easier
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to move on from Tom Brady if Drake may win
super Bowl number one and opportunity number one in year two.
But of all the different places that Brady's coming from,
that's the place where I actually think the reason why
he didn't want to pick the Patriots is because I'm
not sure if he wants Drake may to actually get
that Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Remember we always say pettiness.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Petty has no tax bracket, right, people, no matter what,
no matter how much money you have in the bank,
no matter how high your title, you know, everybody's got
a little bit in him.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I like that angle. I went from the from.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
The owner ownership stake of all right, the Patriots, and
maybe there's still some bad blood still swirling a little
bit even though he's got a statue and says all
the right things that maybe maybe there's a little bit there.
Maybe it's the wants to put the big j in
journalist part of things of saying, well, you know, even
though I'm not calling the game, I should stay out.
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We've got plenty of folks in our business that pretend Hi,
I'm a fan, and I own it proudly.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
No Jay for me.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
But the ownership part of it kind of being the Hey,
if this goes south and Sam Donald in the offense
puts up nothing, how am I gonna show up?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Hey, here's our new coach, here's Kobiak, let's go sure.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think that's a bit problematic, and I think he's
kind of towing that line of I can't look like
a complete idiot. If I throw my hat behind one
side or the other right, either he's the conquering hero
and I picked the other team high good to see you,
or it blows up. Everybody gets their Sam Donald hatred
moment where they get to, you know, take a victory lap,
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and then you got to go and introduce him. This
is the guy that's gonna save and turn around our franchise.
I don't know that he wants that.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think that's an interesting angle because I also thought,
I don't think that the Seahawks would care. Like I'm like,
is he doing it from the Fox NFC angle where
he's gonna see the Seahawks more? And if the Seahawks
end up winning the Super Bowl or losing the Super Bowl,
they're likely going to be on He's going to be
calling more of their games because they'll be in more
prime windows.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But I'm like, he wouldn't care. Why would they care?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You think Mike McDonald's going to hold that against them,
you know, like, that's that's foolish, that's silly. And so
I think that if it was for that reason, I
think that yours handles more weight than maybe what it
could be from from the broadcasting side of it. Ian,
do you have any any thoughts on weighing in on
why Brady didn't want to want to pick it aside?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I I I'm kind of with you guys on I
think it's a little bit of everything. Like I think
it probably does have something something to do with Kubiak
and that, you know, he wants the guy who's you know,
by all reports going to be taking over the head
coaching job of the team that he's the minority owner of. Like,
I think that has something to do with it versus
his former team. I also think, like, yeah, Dan, I
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think it's just he's a former Patriot, But I don't
know that like that necessarily guarantees that he loves everything Patriots.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Like he's he he he.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Left them and probably felt a little bit slighted by
them because of everything that. It's not that he has
ill will towards the Patriots, But I just wonder if
like it's not like, Okay, now for the rest of
my life, I'm everything Patriots no matter what. Like, I
think it's probably just in a vacuum, he's not really
rooting for them that hard because he doesn't feel the
same ties with them.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think that now that you know, and it's natural,
the further you get away from the game, the further
there is a connection. But he has the statue outside there.
I think that he proved that he won in the
Belichick standoff by going to win with Tampa. But now
if Drake May comes in and wins that Super Bowl,
it doesn't take anything away from what Brady did. It
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just waters it down a little bit. Sure, that's it.
Where oh okay, here's another guy. Now there's two quarterbacks
from the New England Patriots, and Drake May can be
beloved hero. And for all the people who are still
wearing Brady jerseys, then they'll go and wear Drake May jerseys.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And then that means.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That it's kind of over for Tom Brady in terms
of the the lone Boston hero when it comes to
the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Gets muted a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And I like Drake May's showed a little bit of
teeth right. He showed a little bit of clause this
week where he realizing that all these guys have gone
out of their way to take their shots at him
at this point that he looked up to now like
I'm building my own world so like them, it's it's
Drake May's time. Not that he went through third person,
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but I'll do it for him. But like you saw
what Cam Newton did do him, you've seen what some
of these other veteran quarterbacks that he loved have said
or or kind of done the side swiping in their analysis.
That maybe there's something I like. I like your angle
with this, Dan, I think there's certainly it would not
surprise me petty being Brady, being the competitor that he is,
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that maybe there is something to that just keeping him
at a distance, make it another year or two, because
Kraft chose him once, then he didn't choose him and
fight the second time. So while he might have been
in his good grow and there was a long rift
with Bill, the ending with Kraft wasn't exactly the best
if you read the you know, believe those reports right
as opposed to, Hey, it's just time for us all
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to clap our hands.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And move on.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Twenty years in New England. Brady's never going to have
that taken away for a moment. Still, why not, why
not try to try to stand out above them all.
I want to twist the conversation into a favorite from
this podcast because it has to do with some international games.
And the news that we got today was that the
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forty nine Ers and Rams were going to be playing
in Australia. And we had known that the Rams were
going to play this Australia game. We knew there was
going to be a game in Australia for a while,
for well over a year, that in the twenty twenty
six season there was going to be a game in Australia.
And now we know that it is the forty nine
Ers against the Rams again, a prime opportunity division rivals,
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and now you're taking a home game, and we know
what Rams home games are. When the forty nine ers
come to town, they're forty nine Ers home games, but
still divisional game for two teams that made it to
the playoffs, and they're going to be playing nineteen hours away.
When it goes to the time zones, it's you know, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen hour flight there. Just the NFL again, we knew
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all this was coming, but to put such an important
game in a city like Melbourne, Australia, when the Rams
and forty nine Ers could be battling for home field
advantage just continues to baffle me by the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, they never cease to amaze me. All Right, it's
like all those Week one games, and it's the drama
I've beaten every year. Is like people are thirsty for
any football. You don't have to overdo it. Let guys
get their sea legs on them and then let's get
after it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But here we are once again.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Your point is I think the best of it of Well,
it's not really a Rams home game anyway, So what's
lost there in reality?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And it's a nice viewing. Now it's a matter of scheduling.
What the hell time?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, make it in that So you know, fantasy owners
and betters are already wringing their hands and trying to
figure that one out. But yeah, I'll be curious to
see we've got what rio with the Cowboys and this
one named and it's going to be a curious slate.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
What do we get nine this year? Right?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So eventually we'll get to our full sixteen. But yeah,
it's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I'm going to just bring this up because I think
this is this is interesting. I got a chance to
talk with Kyle and Christian Kristen use Check today and
I asked Kyle about the announcement of the forty nine
ers and he said, yeah, we found out yesterday, and
he goes, I think the game is going to be
on a Thursday, he said to me. And so I
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thought that that was interesting because if it's played on
a Thursday, it's likely week one, right, and what is
the normal Thursday game?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's the Super Bowl Champion.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So is the NFL going to push that off to
the side to be able to play this game to
allow of those teams that early travel opportunity. I think
that's something to watch now. I kyleus Chick didn't seem
like he knew a lot, but it was something that
he ended up hearing about it. I'm wanting does the
NFL say, you know what, We're going to open the
season on a Wednesday. You know, Super Bowl Champion, you
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get a Wednesday night, We'll play in Australia on Thursday night,
and then guess what, on Friday night, the Cowboys can
play their Brazil game against whoever they're going to play and.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Make it a week long celebration.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Like I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of that.
But the other funny thing guys, is the time right now?
We're recording this at six o'clock Pacific time. It's one
o'clock in the afternoon in Melbourne, Australia, so that this
would be about the time you would want to have
a game, so you'd probably want to have it at night.
So it airs here. The Melbourne just had a heat
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wave during the Australian Open, you know, Like, so now
we're gonna send guys down there. It's and I know
it's crazy, it was crazy hot, but hey, here forty
nine ers and Rams first game of the year. Not
that it doesn't get hot in other places in the US,
but this is what we're talking about, and putting these
teams at and again with an important game. I just
there's no stopping it. But I just wonder if it's
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worth it for the NFL.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Global domination has always been the goal, right, Where can
we squeeze a few extra bucks?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So here you send it, because you could send a
bunch of history too. Hey, here's a bunch of your emissaries,
all those eighties forty nine er guys. Hey, Joe Montana,
you feel like taking a nineteen hour flight, young Jerry,
I mean Jerry rise will show up.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, all of those guys will be happy.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
To go go down to Australia and get their opportunity
in the sun and make it that much of a
merch push. I think that's there. I mean, not to
mention the US Jacks. They'll sell a lot of jackets
invest right, I mean she'll have to ramp up production.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Do I that Sid I asked, You're gonna bring a
lot of suitcases down to bring down that, you know,
to all that gear. You know what they should do,
you know, I like, I understand like there's something about
opening up at home and they're opening up the season
first game of the season. I don't think it's the
end all be all what they should do with that game.
They should play it Sunday night, Labor Day weekend. Allow
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the Rams in forty nine ers the full week to
get back to you know, end up playing that week one.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Just make it a super long week one.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
In that way, the Sunday night college football games that
we pretend to care about that we don't care about
the LSU USC Sorry Ian. I know it was a
huge win this past year, but but I think like
that would be a good spot for it it could also.
You know, so much was made about the eighteen game
schedule this week and you know it happening or not happening.
But I'm wondering if the NFL would ever consider doing
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something like that. Put it on a Sunday night, have
it that Labor Day weekend. It kicks off the season
different way. It's a week long celebration of opening the
year and you can move on.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah that Sunday, you're just adding more professional football.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, it's because that's where we're out in the college.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right, maybe Kyle Uscheko try to go back to college
like some of these NBA players. But yeah, I just
I thought that that news was interesting and I think
we're all waiting to see on how the NFL is
going to try to pull this off. No matter what
they do, it's not going to be perfect.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Well, you were on Radio Row.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I mean, did you talk to Robert Irwin as he
invited you down to come to the Zoo and hang
out for the Australian Games.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I didn't get close to him with that snake then yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was there was no no need for that. Although
I am actually proud of myself that I didn't hide
behind the stage. I was very happy that I actually
stood out in front and I could be in proximity
of the snake and not be completely freaked out about it.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, I had to keep eyes on it. Now, who
got more press the snake or the dog?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Oh, Herb Street's dog, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
They even had a stuffed dog they were carrying around
in the in the little truck that he was being
pushed around when when they were off the clock.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So that was that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ian told us just before starting the podcast that his
roommate has a snake, so he's cool with snakes.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
It's just a little corn snake though, so it's not
not on the same level as a frigging python or
whatever he had.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Where are you on the on the world of snakes?
Do you can do you mind them? Or I'm cool?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I'm cool even before living with living with with the
roommate that I it's just one of my roommates that
hasn't sure. Yeah, before moving in with him, I was
still cool with snakes at least. I mean, you know,
I don't know if in the setting that you know,
a giant python, I would be willing to like approach
it and stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
But well, Mike, what about you.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Well, the fact that i'd have one of the legendary
Irwin's there with me to protect me in this particular case,
I'd be okay.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
But is it my choice?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
But if if I'm gonna go, I want to go spectacularly.
So let's go.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
You know, look, I could I'll die of coronary disease
or a heart attack at some point thirty years from now,
twenty years from now. But if I get attacked by
a snake on radio.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Row, let's go.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
They'll have a statue.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well I don't know, yeah, yeah, oh great stuff. All right,
We're gonna take a time out here and I want
your flex. He is Ian Roddy. That's Mike Carmen. I'm
Dan Byer. We'll get the Super Bowl sixty and some
of the storylines plus some more NFL talk. It's next
here and I want your flex. So there is a
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game on Sunday. Sometimes that does get lost in Super
Bowl Week, as crazy as it is. He is Mike Carmen.
I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is our executive producer. Mike,
I I'm biased in a way because my Seahawks are
in this game, so I obviously you have an interest
and been nervous about it for a while. I'm curious
on what your take is on this game. Does it
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excite you, does the matchup live up to a Super
Bowl sort of billing? Where are you on Seahawks Patriots?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed that folks are bagging on
and I think there's far more stories beyond I mean,
the Sam Darnold one is the only one that's really
gotten a lot of traction over the course of the
two weeks since it was decided. I mean, certainly emin
Wari's injury as folks concerned, and you got the Drake
May's shoulder injury, Kenny, you know, talking about Australia and
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the scheduling side, I've been equating the Seahawks defense to
what you see on Mutual of Omaha and Wild Kingdom
and stuff at times where you got five guys jumping
on you.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
You hear the bulk carrier.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So if Drake may meet one of those early, we
might have something really interesting. But you know, also the
Patriots schedule bag on it, you know, and we take
it and Obviously it's data points of who they beat,
the number of guys fired, whatever else. But they won
the games they had to. Should Sean Payton have kicked
that field goal? Yes he didn't. Now we move on
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and here we are, and it's an interesting matchup, right,
because I think that defense is still strong for Sam Darnold,
You're gonna have some big opportunities and some explosive play potential.
But it's really that chess match that starts going. In
the backdrop, we talked about Kubiak getting ready to take
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a head coaching job, So you yeah, I mean you
as a as a guy that loves loves the Seahawks,
there's got to be part of you that's wondering, is
this the best of things in terms of time and
everything else?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I mean, even if it's two percent or whatever coefficient
you put into the equation, it's still that kind of
thing where it's like, all right, is it just oft
enough to where something Not that you want to use
that as an excuse, but it becomes a reason, right
in a larger sense.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I just think there's so much here.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
You know, the Seahawks defense we've watched, we talked about them,
all year, man, how good this squad is trying to
put it in its place of historical and rams games
are a whole other thing, right, Stafford, Correct Stafford, what
that offense is is a mess to deal with. But
everybody else they bring, they lay the wood. So you know,
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the forty five and a half, I kept looking at
it all week, going that's too high. I don't think
we're getting anywhere near that now. Could there be some
explosives on both sides that tear this thing open, absolutely,
but I'm not anticipating it.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I tend to agree with you, and I think that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Helps New England in a way where I think that's
the type of game and I think, honestly that's how
their personnel is suited. I think there are games where
they scored points this year, and some of that maybe
have to do with the team that they were playing
at the time in just game flow, but I don't
think that they want to get into anything that could
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resemble a track meet. So I'm with you on that
portion of it. I also think the Kubiak angle goes
to a bigger picture where we have the even worry
ankle issue. We have the Kubiak deal, there was the
report about the Seahawks being sold. There hasn't been a
lot of positive stuff coming from the Seahawks, not that
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it's negative, but it hasn't been a positive thing. And
I feel that the Patriots angle is different where it
has been maybe a more positive thing where the Belichick
snub could be used as motivation. Now I don't know
how any of those players they've never played for Bill Belichick,
how they could use that as motivation, but it is
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interesting to hear how the Patriots are kind of, I
don't know, getting good news on stuff, and the Seahawks
maybe not as much. And so when those things tend
to happen during the week. There haven't been any off
field distractions knocked on wood yet, but those usually are
telltale signs on who's going to win and who's not.
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But if we go on the news cycle side of it,
I think that the Seahawks like the Kubiak thing. For
as great as it is for Kubiak, you wonder about
the attention. You wonder about the other assistants, by the way,
who also may be following short Clint Kubiak to Las Vegas.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
They're probably wondering what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
With their next step and so all of that I
thing plays in and so I think that it is
I think that it's fair to use that in your
analysis if you're looking at this game.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, I mean looking at the New England side of it.
I mean Vrabel, who obviously played in all that stuff.
He could chime in if he wanted on the Why
is it Brady picking us? He caught touchdowns from him
for crying out loud. Yeah, but the craft in Belichick,
it'd be curious, you know, to be a fly on
the wall and any motivational speeches or what he imparts
on his time there, I know some has been made.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And again the game kind of gets.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Lost in the shuffle, as you alluded to, until we're
in those final throws. But McDaniel's in the number of
times he's been in these situations, right, every every permutation
of big time scenario they've seen he's coached. So you
know how much of an advantage of that is it?
Again against a defense that you know, at times you
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know impenetrable, So you know that part of it is
is curious, Drake May, how much you know does you
play on your side?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Is that you know? Is it a negative or a positive.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, and I think it's I look at.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'll be honest, today it was the only day that
I thought it could be a negative leading up for
the last week and a half. I'm just like Drake
May's mobile, he's you know, shoulder injury not a big deal.
Then I thought today I thought he is a second
year quarterback, Like there is you know, there is different
from being first or second year head coach to being
a second your quarterback. That there are still some things
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which to go back to the Rams point with the Seahawks,
like it's a third time.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
The Rams have.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Seen the Seahawks defense, right, and they have Matthew Stafford,
so they're gonna be able to pick it out for
a first time Drake May in that big game. I
I think it is a lot to ask to think
that he's going to be able to be Joe Cool
in that situation.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I mean, and look at the you know, not to
Stefan Diggs had had a nice career, right, You've got
Boody who's been solid in parts. You've got Henry who's
a pretty good red zone guy when he can stay healthy.
But you're at a point where one of your best
playmakers can't be on the field because he can't chip, right,
(23:44):
Trevon Henderson. You look at his over under for total yards, Dan,
it's twenty seven, No, twenty five and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, I wrote it down earlier. It's twenty five and a.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Half, noticeably absent from the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Right, So if that hold down, yep, if that whole,
then Stevenson's in as an extra protector again owing to
May's shoulder. Now, his rushing yards were higher than I thought.
I thought they were in the mid thirties when I
was looking at it earlier ahead of the podcast. Thirty
seven and a half his rushing total, so expecting him
to be mobile. But you know, you take Henderson in
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that big play threat off the table changes things up
quite a bit. Meanwhile, on the Seattle side, you got
guys for days. I mean, one of the more popular
talking points of the week was, all right, how early
do they try to hit.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
The bomb with Shaheed? How big a factor is he
running the ball?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know, with an end around or something, you know,
a quick screen, all of those, but you know, the
Drake May part of it is just so fascinating, right,
The everybody wants to look for next. We talk about
Sam being the first guy from that twenty eighteen class
to make it well. Now Drake May is that guy
for the highly heralded twenty four class.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Absolutely, Even Warri's ankle obviously could be a factor. We'll
find out the if it is well, we'll see. We'll
see Stefan Diggs maybe breaking three, like breaking free. He's
not going to be the big play guy that we
saw Minneapolis, Minnesota miracle Stefan Diggs in that scenario, but
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maybe that would be the case. Mccollins, pop Douglas, a
couple of other guys that could could pop up for
a big play. But yeah, outside of that, and if
Henderson isn't being utilized as much, I'm curious to see
where New England gets their firepower. Now that I say
that as a Seahawks fan. They'll have six sixty yard
touchdowns coming up on.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
The side, there's Harris wasn't just a sideshow for the week.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Steven said, eighty seven yards.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Hey, Trevion Henderson played four snaps, two touchdowns, one hundred
and thirteen yards.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh but but yeah, there there are some things that
they have to figure out on the flip side with Seattle.
What is interesting is if it's not JSN, who is
it going to be.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And to your point about you know.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Rashid Shiheden figuring out ways to get him the football,
I still think that they're trying to figure out ways
to do that. Like the catch that he had against
the Rams was his catch of that game. Now, they
were able to utilize Cooper Cup when they needed it,
so I think that that's a weapon that they'll use
in those must need situations. Bobo has been a surprise
(26:33):
and has come up with a couple of big catches
when they haven't thought on him. But you're not sitting
there thinking that he's going to have six for sixty
eight yards at all. So a lot of it does
rely on the shoulders and the legs of Jackson Smith
and Jigba and Christian Gonzales is a darn good cornerback
and I'm curious to see on the matchup that we
see there. The funny thing that I look at it
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on the Seahawks side of things, when they have the
football are two things. Number One without Zach Charboney, they
just aren't deep. So is this the time like this
if Kenneth Walker gets hurt, how in the world do
the Seahawks figure out a way to make this work offensively?
And not that you are anybody's planning for injury, but
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when you're a four and a half point favorite and
you wonder why you don't win those games in those
Super Bowls, that could be a reason why. And it's
not like Kenneth Walker has had a clean bill of
health throughout his career. So that's point number one, well
point number two. Honestly, it goes back to Sam Donald
because Donald has been so good, but Mikey hasn't been
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good enough this season in my eyes to think that
one of those plays isn't coming or coming in one
of those extreme intense moments. And the lack of turnovers
lately may seem like a good sign, but the glass
half empty guy and me says, well, then he's about
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to do for one, and so like that's how I
also think that New England can win this game is
if Seattle's offense doesn't have a Kenneth Walker, or if
Sam Darnald, who is due for the interception, ends up
throwing it.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
George Halani out of Boise State, My daughter would be
so happy right now as she gets ready for her
first fall of smurf turf later on this year. But yeah,
the Sam Donald question is really for three hours. You
know everybody will ride the lightning with that one. And
you know the poison pens already have their columns. They
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just need some stats, Dan to finish those off. A
couple of guys to bring up in numbers, right, jsn
Over under seven and a half catches, ninety six and
a half receiving yards, Cooper Cup three point five receptions,
the guy that's curious to me, And I wonder how
you feel you brought up Bobo. What about Barner point
(28:50):
five rushing yards you get plus one ten? Yeah, yeah,
two point five receptions.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
The calling at the barnyard.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Their likes the tush push. He also can be a
play in red zone. Yeah, scenarios, but considering what Seattle
has and doesn't have at the goal line, the joke
of the question all week has been to Mike McDonald
of what would you do at the one yard line?
And then he finally just said, like listen, I you
know it's disrespectful to the people, you know that got the.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Seahawks to their back to back super.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Bowls at that point and were a yard away for
me to keep answering this. But the point that I
was going to make Mike and thinking about it is
if the tush push was legal back in Super Bowl
forty nine, why wouldn't you have done it with Russell Wilson?
And I think that you will see the Seahawks maybe
employ that when it comes to AJ Barner if they
get into a goal to goal situation. So if there
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is a flag into the end zone, I do think
that AJ Barner has an opportunity to cash in because
I think that they will use that Barnyard tush push.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Play anytime touchdown score plus two forty that is not
high at all, So certainly on the board, there no
question about it. I did, like Marshaun Lynch earlier in
the week, I went up to beat Carol and I
just went with my nod off, like, okay, yeah, it's
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been a weird week, man.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I remember it it was. But you know the I'm
not going to spend a lot of time on super
Bowl forty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, no, no, you got to let that go. You got
one to play Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Sunday could help heal it really could but to think
that they wanted to get that they didn't want Marshaun
Lynch to get the MVP.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
It's just the dumbest thing. So I don't know who
thought of that theory.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
But you grasp a straws, you try to make villains
and heroes or you know, it's it's like a lot
of the things we talked about this year, a lot
of the Shador Sanders stuff and other talking points through
the year where you just kind of throw up your hands,
going okay, you know, as I call it hash hot
take nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We're gonna take our final time out. I'm just gonna
spoil the teas. I don't have a prediction because I'm
not making a prediction. I am again refusing to choose
because I don't want to jinx the Seahawks. But Mike,
if you would like to give a prediction, you can
do it next. Otherwise we'll just kind of lay out
again more of how we think Super Bowl sixty is
going to go. That's Ian Roddy, He's Mike Carmen, I'm
(31:24):
Dan Byer. That's next here, and I want your flex
all right here. It is prediction Tome. He is Mike Karmen.
I'm Dan Byer. That is Ian, Roddy Ian. We're making
Super Bowl predictions, but we're gonna let Mike you get
the choice. Do you want to end with the crescendo
of your pick being first or would you like Ian's
pick to come in.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
First or last? How do you want to go?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'll just lead it off and see if the chaos.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Oh yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Let's twenty four twenty one Seahawks, just under the under.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Okay, four and a half, tight game, late, Darnold makes
the throw. This is where Barner or Bobo come up
big in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
All right, Ian, do you have a pick for Super
Bowl sixty?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Man, I'm gonna go I'm going under and I'm gonna
take it's even lower scoring than that. I'm gonna say
twenty one seventeen Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Okay, so the Seahawks don't cover with the under. There
to Mike's point, all right, betting wise, you guys are
on the same you guys are on the same train
all around. I am refusing to choose again because of
my allegiance. I just I have been nervous guys for
this game for ever since there was like a day
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of the Rams excitement. I get it, and then now
it's just been and I don't get almost fifty. I
don't get nervous for games like really anymore. But this
one is we just you know, we just talked about
Klink Kubiak, He's gone.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Who's y'all going to take? This isn't you know?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
This isn't a guarantee that this team makes it back
over and over again. I think they've got a really
good foundation in Seattle. But I think you could make
an argument that New England, just because of Drake may
being there, may have a better chance of going back
to a Super Bowl if they don't win one and
win this game. So I just am extremely nervous, intense,
and hopefully the next time we get together we can
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have a fun conversation of the Seahawks winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Otherwise it may be better for the listener if the.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Patriots win, and then I could just sit there and
cry and whine about the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Whining does work, though. We'll get a video component up
you can break. We'll get a rage room that you
can smash some stuff in and.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
It'll be great.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Well, some little.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Bobbleheads and whatever else.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
But your point is something that I got asked a
bunch doing some hits and talking with Smith over the
course of the week of you know, the path back
and the West is no chore, whereas the Jets and
the Dolphins are still going to be the Jets and
the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Sure, And we have no idea what Buffalo looks like
this next year.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes there's and we expect I don't know if it's
going to be both, but you expect the Chiefs or
Ravens to bounce back or and they may not be
the full bounce back, but you at least expect them
and hope for them to be a little bit more
competitive again. Yeah, yeah, so we will see. Maybe it's
the start of another dynasty. Who knows. With either team winning,
the future will tell us that, But for now, Mike
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and Ian are on the side of the Seahawks and
I will just continue to refuse to choose.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
We will not end this podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
With this episode, as we told you, there will be
a post super Bowl episode. Plus we have our Top
sixty draft that we have to do, and we'll also
get you ready for the off season of the NFL
that is fast approaching, So guys, enjoy the game on
Sunday and I'll be having the fingers and toes crossed.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
There you go, face paid up, create some chaos. Can't
wait to see what you've found in terms of merch
and your adventures across San Pruss.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh, I appreciate it. I got the credential, so I
have to stay impartial. There will be no face paint,
but there may be a couple of if they uh,
you know, under the breath so nobody else can hear.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
So smash something and then act like it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, I got sorry, I don't just parts flying everywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Remember that guy through that bottle in the press area.
All right, fort I and Roddy and Mike Carmen, I'm
Dan Byer. We hope you enjoy Super Bowl sixty and
we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Here it is our Super Bowl Preview edition. If I
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our executive producer is Ian Roddy. You can find him
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Radio Row. Mike's back at the headquarters in LA at
the time of this recording. The NFL Honors are going
on right now, so we may just got to stay
(00:56):
away from some of the awards, but if they pile in,
who knows, we could do breaking news on a POTB guest.
That may be a first, but still a lot to
talk about, including the game coming up on Sunday, Patriots
and Seahawks from Santa Clara, some angles and stuff that
we'll get to later. But a week, Mike, usually in
the National Football League where we have a lot of headlines,
and leading up to this week outside of the game,
(01:19):
it's been more about what is and isn't happening in
the NBA than anything that's happening in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, it's it, right.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I mean, we had the Hall of Fame chatter, right,
so here's Kraft, here's Belichick, and that carried a lot
of the freight. You got Brady not picking a side
that seems to have enraged everybody. You've got the fact
that neither of the Super Bowl contenders wanted to practice
at the forty nine ers facility. Whether it's voodoo or
(01:45):
the substation effect, they stayed away otherwise, Yeah, it was
all about rumor, conjecture, speculation. Yannis, your guy finally puts
out is Leonardo DiCaprio's statement of I'm not blame and
leave in so we can at least clap our hands
and move on from that. But yeah, the NBA absolutely dominating,
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just as it did a year ago when Luca got dealt.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it is crazy on how it kind of didn't
take over the talk, but the NFL hasn't provided tons
and tons of action of players getting traded.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
And all the coaching jobs are now filled.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But the Brady angle is interesting because I'm trying to
figure out what angle he's approaching this from, because he
can do.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
It from a variety of angles.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You can do it as Raiders by minority owner, you
could do it as former Patriots quarterback.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Heck, you can do it as former Buccaneers quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And for him to not make a pick, I think
he's coming from the angle of I don't want another
Patriots quarterback to win a Super Bowl, like I feel
that if Drake may wins, Tom Brady feels that it
may take a little bit of the shine off of
his tenure in New England, which I don't think is
possible to do, but it just may make them easier
(03:02):
to move on from Tom Brady if Drake may win
super Bowl number one and opportunity number one in year two.
But of all the different places that Brady's coming from,
that's the place where I actually think the reason why
he didn't want to pick the Patriots is because I'm
not sure if he wants Drake may to actually get
that Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Remember we always say pettiness.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Petty has no tax bracket, right, people, no matter what,
no matter how much money you have in the bank,
no matter how high your title, you know, everybody's got
a little bit in him.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I like that angle. I went from the from.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
The owner ownership stake of all right, the Patriots, and
maybe there's still some bad blood still swirling a little
bit even though he's got a statue and says all
the right things that maybe maybe there's a little bit there.
Maybe it's the wants to put the big j in
journalist part of things of saying, well, you know, even
though I'm not calling the game, I should stay out.
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We've got plenty of folks in our business that pretend Hi,
I'm a fan, and I own it proudly.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
No Jay for me.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
But the ownership part of it kind of being the Hey,
if this goes south and Sam Donald in the offense
puts up nothing, how am I gonna show up?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Hey, here's our new coach, here's Kobiak, let's go sure.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think that's a bit problematic, and I think he's
kind of towing that line of I can't look like
a complete idiot. If I throw my hat behind one
side or the other right, either he's the conquering hero
and I picked the other team high good to see you,
or it blows up. Everybody gets their Sam Donald hatred
moment where they get to, you know, take a victory lap,
(04:40):
and then you got to go and introduce him. This
is the guy that's gonna save and turn around our franchise.
I don't know that he wants that.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think that's an interesting angle because I also thought,
I don't think that the Seahawks would care. Like I'm like,
is he doing it from the Fox NFC angle where
he's gonna see the Seahawks more? And if the Seahawks
end up winning the Super Bowl or losing the Super Bowl,
they're likely going to be on He's going to be
calling more of their games because they'll be in more
prime windows.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But I'm like, he wouldn't care. Why would they care?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You think Mike McDonald's going to hold that against them,
you know, like, that's that's foolish, that's silly. And so
I think that if it was for that reason, I
think that yours handles more weight than maybe what it
could be from from the broadcasting side of it. Ian,
do you have any any thoughts on weighing in on
why Brady didn't want to want to pick it aside?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I I I'm kind of with you guys on I
think it's a little bit of everything. Like I think
it probably does have something something to do with Kubiak
and that, you know, he wants the guy who's you know,
by all reports going to be taking over the head
coaching job of the team that he's the minority owner of. Like,
I think that has something to do with it versus
his former team. I also think, like, yeah, Dan, I
(05:46):
think it's just he's a former Patriot, But I don't
know that like that necessarily guarantees that he loves everything Patriots.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Like he's he he he.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Left them and probably felt a little bit slighted by
them because of everything that. It's not that he has
ill will towards the Patriots, But I just wonder if
like it's not like, Okay, now for the rest of
my life, I'm everything Patriots no matter what. Like, I
think it's probably just in a vacuum, he's not really
rooting for them that hard because he doesn't feel the
same ties with them.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think that now that you know, and it's natural,
the further you get away from the game, the further
there is a connection. But he has the statue outside there.
I think that he proved that he won in the
Belichick standoff by going to win with Tampa. But now
if Drake May comes in and wins that Super Bowl,
it doesn't take anything away from what Brady did. It
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just waters it down a little bit. Sure, that's it.
Where oh okay, here's another guy. Now there's two quarterbacks
from the New England Patriots, and Drake May can be
beloved hero. And for all the people who are still
wearing Brady jerseys, then they'll go and wear Drake May jerseys.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And then that means.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That it's kind of over for Tom Brady in terms
of the the lone Boston hero when it comes to
the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Gets muted a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And I like Drake May's showed a little bit of
teeth right. He showed a little bit of clause this
week where he realizing that all these guys have gone
out of their way to take their shots at him
at this point that he looked up to now like
I'm building my own world so like them, it's it's
Drake May's time. Not that he went through third person,
(07:25):
but I'll do it for him. But like you saw
what Cam Newton did do him, you've seen what some
of these other veteran quarterbacks that he loved have said
or or kind of done the side swiping in their analysis.
That maybe there's something I like. I like your angle
with this, Dan, I think there's certainly it would not
surprise me petty being Brady, being the competitor that he is,
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that maybe there is something to that just keeping him
at a distance, make it another year or two, because
Kraft chose him once, then he didn't choose him and
fight the second time. So while he might have been
in his good grow and there was a long rift
with Bill, the ending with Kraft wasn't exactly the best
if you read the you know, believe those reports right
as opposed to, Hey, it's just time for us all
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to clap our hands.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And move on.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Twenty years in New England. Brady's never going to have
that taken away for a moment. Still, why not, why
not try to try to stand out above them all.
I want to twist the conversation into a favorite from
this podcast because it has to do with some international games.
And the news that we got today was that the
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forty nine Ers and Rams were going to be playing
in Australia. And we had known that the Rams were
going to play this Australia game. We knew there was
going to be a game in Australia for a while,
for well over a year, that in the twenty twenty
six season there was going to be a game in Australia.
And now we know that it is the forty nine
Ers against the Rams again, a prime opportunity division rivals,
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and now you're taking a home game, and we know
what Rams home games are. When the forty nine ers
come to town, they're forty nine Ers home games, but
still divisional game for two teams that made it to
the playoffs, and they're going to be playing nineteen hours away.
When it goes to the time zones, it's you know, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen hour flight there. Just the NFL again, we knew
(09:23):
all this was coming, but to put such an important
game in a city like Melbourne, Australia, when the Rams
and forty nine Ers could be battling for home field
advantage just continues to baffle me by the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, they never cease to amaze me. All Right, it's
like all those Week one games, and it's the drama
I've beaten every year. Is like people are thirsty for
any football. You don't have to overdo it. Let guys
get their sea legs on them and then let's get
after it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But here we are once again.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Your point is I think the best of it of Well,
it's not really a Rams home game anyway, So what's
lost there in reality?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And it's a nice viewing. Now it's a matter of scheduling.
What the hell time?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, make it in that So you know, fantasy owners
and betters are already wringing their hands and trying to
figure that one out. But yeah, I'll be curious to
see we've got what rio with the Cowboys and this
one named and it's going to be a curious slate.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
What do we get nine this year? Right?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So eventually we'll get to our full sixteen. But yeah,
it's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I'm going to just bring this up because I think
this is this is interesting. I got a chance to
talk with Kyle and Christian Kristen use Check today and
I asked Kyle about the announcement of the forty nine
ers and he said, yeah, we found out yesterday, and
he goes, I think the game is going to be
on a Thursday, he said to me. And so I
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thought that that was interesting because if it's played on
a Thursday, it's likely week one, right, and what is
the normal Thursday game?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's the Super Bowl Champion.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So is the NFL going to push that off to
the side to be able to play this game to
allow of those teams that early travel opportunity. I think
that's something to watch now. I kyleus Chick didn't seem
like he knew a lot, but it was something that
he ended up hearing about it. I'm wanting does the
NFL say, you know what, We're going to open the
season on a Wednesday. You know, Super Bowl Champion, you
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get a Wednesday night, We'll play in Australia on Thursday night,
and then guess what, on Friday night, the Cowboys can
play their Brazil game against whoever they're going to play and.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Make it a week long celebration.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Like I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of that.
But the other funny thing guys, is the time right now?
We're recording this at six o'clock Pacific time. It's one
o'clock in the afternoon in Melbourne, Australia, so that this
would be about the time you would want to have
a game, so you'd probably want to have it at night.
So it airs here. The Melbourne just had a heat
(12:02):
wave during the Australian Open, you know, Like, so now
we're gonna send guys down there. It's and I know
it's crazy, it was crazy hot, but hey, here forty
nine ers and Rams first game of the year. Not
that it doesn't get hot in other places in the US,
but this is what we're talking about, and putting these
teams at and again with an important game. I just
there's no stopping it. But I just wonder if it's
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worth it for the NFL.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Global domination has always been the goal, right, Where can
we squeeze a few extra bucks?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So here you send it, because you could send a
bunch of history too. Hey, here's a bunch of your emissaries,
all those eighties forty nine er guys. Hey, Joe Montana,
you feel like taking a nineteen hour flight, young Jerry,
I mean Jerry rise will show up.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, all of those guys will be happy.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
To go go down to Australia and get their opportunity
in the sun and make it that much of a
merch push. I think that's there. I mean, not to
mention the US Jacks. They'll sell a lot of jackets
invest right, I mean she'll have to ramp up production.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Do I that Sid I asked, You're gonna bring a
lot of suitcases down to bring down that, you know,
to all that gear. You know what they should do,
you know, I like, I understand like there's something about
opening up at home and they're opening up the season
first game of the season. I don't think it's the
end all be all what they should do with that game.
They should play it Sunday night, Labor Day weekend. Allow
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the Rams in forty nine ers the full week to
get back to you know, end up playing that week one.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Just make it a super long week one.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
In that way, the Sunday night college football games that
we pretend to care about that we don't care about
the LSU USC Sorry Ian. I know it was a
huge win this past year, but but I think like
that would be a good spot for it it could also.
You know, so much was made about the eighteen game
schedule this week and you know it happening or not happening.
But I'm wondering if the NFL would ever consider doing
(13:58):
something like that. Put it on a Sunday night, have
it that Labor Day weekend. It kicks off the season
different way. It's a week long celebration of opening the
year and you can move on.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah that Sunday, you're just adding more professional football.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, it's because that's where we're out in the college.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right, maybe Kyle Uscheko try to go back to college
like some of these NBA players. But yeah, I just
I thought that that news was interesting and I think
we're all waiting to see on how the NFL is
going to try to pull this off. No matter what
they do, it's not going to be perfect.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Well, you were on Radio Row.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I mean, did you talk to Robert Irwin as he
invited you down to come to the Zoo and hang
out for the Australian Games.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I didn't get close to him with that snake then yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was there was no no need for that. Although
I am actually proud of myself that I didn't hide
behind the stage. I was very happy that I actually
stood out in front and I could be in proximity
of the snake and not be completely freaked out about it.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, I had to keep eyes on it. Now, who
got more press the snake or the dog?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Oh, Herb Street's dog, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
They even had a stuffed dog they were carrying around
in the in the little truck that he was being
pushed around when when they were off the clock.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So that was that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ian told us just before starting the podcast that his
roommate has a snake, so he's cool with snakes.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
It's just a little corn snake though, so it's not
not on the same level as a frigging python or
whatever he had.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Where are you on the on the world of snakes?
Do you can do you mind them? Or I'm cool?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I'm cool even before living with living with with the
roommate that I it's just one of my roommates that
hasn't sure. Yeah, before moving in with him, I was
still cool with snakes at least. I mean, you know,
I don't know if in the setting that you know,
a giant python, I would be willing to like approach
it and stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
But well, Mike, what about you.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Well, the fact that i'd have one of the legendary
Irwin's there with me to protect me in this particular case,
I'd be okay.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
But is it my choice?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
But if if I'm gonna go, I want to go spectacularly.
So let's go.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
You know, look, I could I'll die of coronary disease
or a heart attack at some point thirty years from now,
twenty years from now. But if I get attacked by
a snake on radio.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Row, let's go.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
They'll have a statue.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well I don't know, yeah, yeah, oh great stuff. All right,
We're gonna take a time out here and I want
your flex. He is Ian Roddy. That's Mike Carmen. I'm
Dan Byer. We'll get the Super Bowl sixty and some
of the storylines plus some more NFL talk. It's next
here and I want your flex. So there is a
(16:45):
game on Sunday. Sometimes that does get lost in Super
Bowl Week, as crazy as it is. He is Mike Carmen.
I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is our executive producer. Mike,
I I'm biased in a way because my Seahawks are
in this game, so I obviously you have an interest
and been nervous about it for a while. I'm curious
on what your take is on this game. Does it
(17:06):
excite you, does the matchup live up to a Super
Bowl sort of billing? Where are you on Seahawks Patriots?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed that folks are bagging on
and I think there's far more stories beyond I mean,
the Sam Darnold one is the only one that's really
gotten a lot of traction over the course of the
two weeks since it was decided. I mean, certainly emin
Wari's injury as folks concerned, and you got the Drake
May's shoulder injury, Kenny, you know, talking about Australia and
(17:37):
the scheduling side, I've been equating the Seahawks defense to
what you see on Mutual of Omaha and Wild Kingdom
and stuff at times where you got five guys jumping
on you.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
You hear the bulk carrier.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So if Drake may meet one of those early, we
might have something really interesting. But you know, also the
Patriots schedule bag on it, you know, and we take
it and Obviously it's data points of who they beat,
the number of guys fired, whatever else. But they won
the games they had to. Should Sean Payton have kicked
that field goal? Yes he didn't. Now we move on
(18:11):
and here we are, and it's an interesting matchup, right,
because I think that defense is still strong for Sam Darnold,
You're gonna have some big opportunities and some explosive play potential.
But it's really that chess match that starts going. In
the backdrop, we talked about Kubiak getting ready to take
(18:33):
a head coaching job, So you yeah, I mean you
as a as a guy that loves loves the Seahawks,
there's got to be part of you that's wondering, is
this the best of things in terms of time and
everything else?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I mean, even if it's two percent or whatever coefficient
you put into the equation, it's still that kind of
thing where it's like, all right, is it just oft
enough to where something Not that you want to use
that as an excuse, but it becomes a reason, right
in a larger sense.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I just think there's so much here.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
You know, the Seahawks defense we've watched, we talked about them,
all year, man, how good this squad is trying to
put it in its place of historical and rams games
are a whole other thing, right, Stafford, Correct Stafford, what
that offense is is a mess to deal with. But
everybody else they bring, they lay the wood. So you know,
(19:27):
the forty five and a half, I kept looking at
it all week, going that's too high. I don't think
we're getting anywhere near that now. Could there be some
explosives on both sides that tear this thing open, absolutely,
but I'm not anticipating it.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I tend to agree with you, and I think that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Helps New England in a way where I think that's
the type of game and I think, honestly that's how
their personnel is suited. I think there are games where
they scored points this year, and some of that maybe
have to do with the team that they were playing
at the time in just game flow, but I don't
think that they want to get into anything that could
(20:06):
resemble a track meet. So I'm with you on that
portion of it. I also think the Kubiak angle goes
to a bigger picture where we have the even worry
ankle issue. We have the Kubiak deal, there was the
report about the Seahawks being sold. There hasn't been a
lot of positive stuff coming from the Seahawks, not that
(20:28):
it's negative, but it hasn't been a positive thing. And
I feel that the Patriots angle is different where it
has been maybe a more positive thing where the Belichick
snub could be used as motivation. Now I don't know
how any of those players they've never played for Bill Belichick,
how they could use that as motivation, but it is
(20:48):
interesting to hear how the Patriots are kind of, I
don't know, getting good news on stuff, and the Seahawks
maybe not as much. And so when those things tend
to happen during the week. There haven't been any off
field distractions knocked on wood yet, but those usually are
telltale signs on who's going to win and who's not.
(21:08):
But if we go on the news cycle side of it,
I think that the Seahawks like the Kubiak thing. For
as great as it is for Kubiak, you wonder about
the attention. You wonder about the other assistants, by the way,
who also may be following short Clint Kubiak to Las Vegas.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
They're probably wondering what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
With their next step and so all of that I
thing plays in and so I think that it is
I think that it's fair to use that in your
analysis if you're looking at this game.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, I mean looking at the New England side of it.
I mean Vrabel, who obviously played in all that stuff.
He could chime in if he wanted on the Why
is it Brady picking us? He caught touchdowns from him
for crying out loud. Yeah, but the craft in Belichick,
it'd be curious, you know, to be a fly on
the wall and any motivational speeches or what he imparts
on his time there, I know some has been made.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And again the game kind of gets.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Lost in the shuffle, as you alluded to, until we're
in those final throws. But McDaniel's in the number of
times he's been in these situations, right, every every permutation
of big time scenario they've seen he's coached. So you
know how much of an advantage of that is it?
Again against a defense that you know, at times you
(22:22):
know impenetrable, So you know that part of it is
is curious, Drake May, how much you know does you
play on your side?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Is that you know? Is it a negative or a positive.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, and I think it's I look at.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'll be honest, today it was the only day that
I thought it could be a negative leading up for
the last week and a half. I'm just like Drake
May's mobile, he's you know, shoulder injury not a big deal.
Then I thought today I thought he is a second
year quarterback, Like there is you know, there is different
from being first or second year head coach to being
a second your quarterback. That there are still some things
(23:02):
which to go back to the Rams point with the Seahawks,
like it's a third time.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
The Rams have.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Seen the Seahawks defense, right, and they have Matthew Stafford,
so they're gonna be able to pick it out for
a first time Drake May in that big game. I
I think it is a lot to ask to think
that he's going to be able to be Joe Cool
in that situation.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I mean, and look at the you know, not to
Stefan Diggs had had a nice career, right, You've got
Boody who's been solid in parts. You've got Henry who's
a pretty good red zone guy when he can stay healthy.
But you're at a point where one of your best
playmakers can't be on the field because he can't chip, right,
(23:44):
Trevon Henderson. You look at his over under for total yards, Dan,
it's twenty seven, No, twenty five and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, I wrote it down earlier. It's twenty five and a.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Half, noticeably absent from the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Right, So if that hold down, yep, if that whole,
then Stevenson's in as an extra protector again owing to
May's shoulder. Now, his rushing yards were higher than I thought.
I thought they were in the mid thirties when I
was looking at it earlier ahead of the podcast. Thirty
seven and a half his rushing total, so expecting him
to be mobile. But you know, you take Henderson in
(24:20):
that big play threat off the table changes things up
quite a bit. Meanwhile, on the Seattle side, you got
guys for days. I mean, one of the more popular
talking points of the week was, all right, how early
do they try to hit.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
The bomb with Shaheed? How big a factor is he
running the ball?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know, with an end around or something, you know,
a quick screen, all of those, but you know, the
Drake May part of it is just so fascinating, right,
The everybody wants to look for next. We talk about
Sam being the first guy from that twenty eighteen class
to make it well. Now Drake May is that guy
for the highly heralded twenty four class.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Absolutely, Even Warri's ankle obviously could be a factor. We'll
find out the if it is well, we'll see. We'll
see Stefan Diggs maybe breaking three, like breaking free. He's
not going to be the big play guy that we
saw Minneapolis, Minnesota miracle Stefan Diggs in that scenario, but
(25:22):
maybe that would be the case. Mccollins, pop Douglas, a
couple of other guys that could could pop up for
a big play. But yeah, outside of that, and if
Henderson isn't being utilized as much, I'm curious to see
where New England gets their firepower. Now that I say
that as a Seahawks fan. They'll have six sixty yard
touchdowns coming up on.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
The side, there's Harris wasn't just a sideshow for the week.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Steven said, eighty seven yards.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Hey, Trevion Henderson played four snaps, two touchdowns, one hundred
and thirteen yards.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh but but yeah, there there are some things that
they have to figure out on the flip side with Seattle.
What is interesting is if it's not JSN, who is
it going to be.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And to your point about you know.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Rashid Shiheden figuring out ways to get him the football,
I still think that they're trying to figure out ways
to do that. Like the catch that he had against
the Rams was his catch of that game. Now, they
were able to utilize Cooper Cup when they needed it,
so I think that that's a weapon that they'll use
in those must need situations. Bobo has been a surprise
(26:33):
and has come up with a couple of big catches
when they haven't thought on him. But you're not sitting
there thinking that he's going to have six for sixty
eight yards at all. So a lot of it does
rely on the shoulders and the legs of Jackson Smith
and Jigba and Christian Gonzales is a darn good cornerback
and I'm curious to see on the matchup that we
see there. The funny thing that I look at it
(26:54):
on the Seahawks side of things, when they have the
football are two things. Number One without Zach Charboney, they
just aren't deep. So is this the time like this
if Kenneth Walker gets hurt, how in the world do
the Seahawks figure out a way to make this work offensively?
And not that you are anybody's planning for injury, but
(27:15):
when you're a four and a half point favorite and
you wonder why you don't win those games in those
Super Bowls, that could be a reason why. And it's
not like Kenneth Walker has had a clean bill of
health throughout his career. So that's point number one, well
point number two. Honestly, it goes back to Sam Donald
because Donald has been so good, but Mikey hasn't been
(27:35):
good enough this season in my eyes to think that
one of those plays isn't coming or coming in one
of those extreme intense moments. And the lack of turnovers
lately may seem like a good sign, but the glass
half empty guy and me says, well, then he's about
(27:55):
to do for one, and so like that's how I
also think that New England can win this game is
if Seattle's offense doesn't have a Kenneth Walker, or if
Sam Darnald, who is due for the interception, ends up
throwing it.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
George Halani out of Boise State, My daughter would be
so happy right now as she gets ready for her
first fall of smurf turf later on this year. But yeah,
the Sam Donald question is really for three hours. You
know everybody will ride the lightning with that one. And
you know the poison pens already have their columns. They
(28:29):
just need some stats, Dan to finish those off. A
couple of guys to bring up in numbers, right, jsn
Over under seven and a half catches, ninety six and
a half receiving yards, Cooper Cup three point five receptions,
the guy that's curious to me, And I wonder how
you feel you brought up Bobo. What about Barner point
(28:50):
five rushing yards you get plus one ten? Yeah, yeah,
two point five receptions.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
The calling at the barnyard.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Their likes the tush push. He also can be a
play in red zone. Yeah, scenarios, but considering what Seattle
has and doesn't have at the goal line, the joke
of the question all week has been to Mike McDonald
of what would you do at the one yard line?
And then he finally just said, like listen, I you
know it's disrespectful to the people, you know that got the.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Seahawks to their back to back super.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Bowls at that point and were a yard away for
me to keep answering this. But the point that I
was going to make Mike and thinking about it is
if the tush push was legal back in Super Bowl
forty nine, why wouldn't you have done it with Russell Wilson?
And I think that you will see the Seahawks maybe
employ that when it comes to AJ Barner if they
get into a goal to goal situation. So if there
(29:45):
is a flag into the end zone, I do think
that AJ Barner has an opportunity to cash in because
I think that they will use that Barnyard tush push.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Play anytime touchdown score plus two forty that is not
high at all, So certainly on the board, there no
question about it. I did, like Marshaun Lynch earlier in
the week, I went up to beat Carol and I
just went with my nod off, like, okay, yeah, it's
(30:14):
been a weird week, man.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I remember it it was. But you know the I'm
not going to spend a lot of time on super
Bowl forty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, no, no, you got to let that go. You got
one to play Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Sunday could help heal it really could but to think
that they wanted to get that they didn't want Marshaun
Lynch to get the MVP.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
It's just the dumbest thing. So I don't know who
thought of that theory.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
But you grasp a straws, you try to make villains
and heroes or you know, it's it's like a lot
of the things we talked about this year, a lot
of the Shador Sanders stuff and other talking points through
the year where you just kind of throw up your hands,
going okay, you know, as I call it hash hot
take nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We're gonna take our final time out. I'm just gonna
spoil the teas. I don't have a prediction because I'm
not making a prediction. I am again refusing to choose
because I don't want to jinx the Seahawks. But Mike,
if you would like to give a prediction, you can
do it next. Otherwise we'll just kind of lay out
again more of how we think Super Bowl sixty is
going to go. That's Ian Roddy, He's Mike Carmen, I'm
(31:24):
Dan Byer. That's next here, and I want your flex
all right here. It is prediction Tome. He is Mike Karmen.
I'm Dan Byer. That is Ian, Roddy Ian. We're making
Super Bowl predictions, but we're gonna let Mike you get
the choice. Do you want to end with the crescendo
of your pick being first or would you like Ian's
pick to come in.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
First or last? How do you want to go?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'll just lead it off and see if the chaos.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Oh yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Let's twenty four twenty one Seahawks, just under the under.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Okay, four and a half, tight game, late, Darnold makes
the throw. This is where Barner or Bobo come up
big in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
All right, Ian, do you have a pick for Super
Bowl sixty?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Man, I'm gonna go I'm going under and I'm gonna
take it's even lower scoring than that. I'm gonna say
twenty one seventeen Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Okay, so the Seahawks don't cover with the under. There
to Mike's point, all right, betting wise, you guys are
on the same you guys are on the same train
all around. I am refusing to choose again because of
my allegiance. I just I have been nervous guys for
this game for ever since there was like a day
(32:45):
of the Rams excitement. I get it, and then now
it's just been and I don't get almost fifty. I
don't get nervous for games like really anymore. But this
one is we just you know, we just talked about
Klink Kubiak, He's gone.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Who's y'all going to take? This isn't you know?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
This isn't a guarantee that this team makes it back
over and over again. I think they've got a really
good foundation in Seattle. But I think you could make
an argument that New England, just because of Drake may
being there, may have a better chance of going back
to a Super Bowl if they don't win one and
win this game. So I just am extremely nervous, intense,
and hopefully the next time we get together we can
(33:24):
have a fun conversation of the Seahawks winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Otherwise it may be better for the listener if the.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Patriots win, and then I could just sit there and
cry and whine about the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Whining does work, though. We'll get a video component up
you can break. We'll get a rage room that you
can smash some stuff in and.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
It'll be great.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Well, some little.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Bobbleheads and whatever else.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
But your point is something that I got asked a
bunch doing some hits and talking with Smith over the
course of the week of you know, the path back
and the West is no chore, whereas the Jets and
the Dolphins are still going to be the Jets and
the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Sure, And we have no idea what Buffalo looks like
this next year.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes there's and we expect I don't know if it's
going to be both, but you expect the Chiefs or
Ravens to bounce back or and they may not be
the full bounce back, but you at least expect them
and hope for them to be a little bit more
competitive again. Yeah, yeah, so we will see. Maybe it's
the start of another dynasty. Who knows. With either team winning,
the future will tell us that, But for now, Mike
(34:31):
and Ian are on the side of the Seahawks and
I will just continue to refuse to choose.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
We will not end this podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
With this episode, as we told you, there will be
a post super Bowl episode. Plus we have our Top
sixty draft that we have to do, and we'll also
get you ready for the off season of the NFL
that is fast approaching, So guys, enjoy the game on
Sunday and I'll be having the fingers and toes crossed.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
There you go, face paid up, create some chaos. Can't
wait to see what you've found in terms of merch
and your adventures across San Pruss.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh, I appreciate it. I got the credential, so I
have to stay impartial. There will be no face paint,
but there may be a couple of if they uh,
you know, under the breath so nobody else can hear.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
So smash something and then act like it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, I got sorry, I don't just parts flying everywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Remember that guy through that bottle in the press area.
All right, fort I and Roddy and Mike Carmen, I'm
Dan Byer. We hope you enjoy Super Bowl sixty and
we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Right here, and I want your FLEs
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