January 25, 2021 • 25 mins
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I Heart Radio podcast network and Sean. I thought, coming
into this season, maybe Brady plays this year, maybe he
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plays another year. After watching this season with the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, I'm like, this dude's gonna play untill he's
fifty years old. And I know he didn't have a
spectacular game But when you look at the whole aspect
to go on the road, When three games out of
the wild Card now get to play at home in
two weeks, It's an unbelievable accomplishment by Tom Brady, isn't it.
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You know what he said, Uh, a couple of years
ago he wanted to play until he was you know what,
he's six years old. You know, I just thought he
was just talking crazy. I really did. It didn't sound possible, right,
I mean, we've seen some guys playing to the early forties,
you know, Drew Brees and Brett Father with some of
these guys. But as you see how Drew Brees finished
up the season and play well, whether that was Indrey
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or age. Um, I really believe he can played to
least forty six years old, and any problem that can
play well because of how he's playing now, he's not
getting hit as much. Uh, you know, he's learned how
now to move around in the pocket heat. I mean,
he's moving better right now that he did five or
six years ago. And that's just kind of crazy to say.
And as long as they keep those pieces around him
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in Tampa, why not, I just you know, why not?
Why not played forty years old. Is he the great
We talked about this earlier in the show. In your mind,
I think the greatest quarterback of all time? There's no
argument anymore, right, I mean that that that ship has sailed.
Maybe in ten years, if Patrick Mahomes continues to play
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like he is, maybe we can end up fifteen years
having a debate between those two, or maybe somebody else
is gonna come up and start to have uh a
level of success that we don't anticipate otherwise. But is
there any doubt now about him be the greatest quarterback
of all time? And I think he's ascended to the
point now where you can argue he's the greatest American
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sports team athlete of all time. And you know, it
was funny because I've planned against him, and obviously I've
always had my thing against the Patriots, right, and they
sent us home by the many playoffs to stop the
Super Bowl things like that, So I've always had my
grapes there. But I also always believe Tom Brady's greatness
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was partly due to Bill Belichick and you know, having
an owner in the organization and how they just put
all the pieces to the puzzle every single year I
was wrong. You know I was wrong. Man, I just
now saying what he's doing in another organization, another team,
another conference, another setting, and older. Uh, there's not even
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a doubt, not even a one percent chance that he's
the goal. But I'll take it a step further. I
don't think there's anybody even close. Like you started naming
your top three quarterback of all time, I don't even
put anybody in a category with him, and how he's
performing and how he's playing. Uh, you know, if he
does go and win a ring, and he still has
a chance to go into the next one or two
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years to win another one, we will never And you know,
I hate to say never, because never is the words
had always come back and bite you in the ass
a little bit, right, but we will never see another
performance another quarterback like Tom Brady again in this lifetime.
I agree with you. And to kind of put into
context how long he has been doing this. I saw
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stat and I was like, this is amazing. Josh Allen
and Patrick Mahomes on the other side in the a
f C Championship game, they were in kindergarten when Tom
Brady played in his first Super Bowl. I mean, if
that doesn't blow your mind out there for everybody who
is listening to us right now, kindergarten, he's been in
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the Pros, he was in the super Bowl, since they
were in kindergarten. It's unbelievable. Well, you know a lot
of these guys still got on diapers playing against him.
I mean, you know that that's the way he's making
people look. And you know, he also went against another
quarterback who we also look at as great as one
of the greatest. You know, he went against the guys
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who in ten years from now or fifteen years will
be still calling him one of the greatest quarterbacks to
ever played the game, in Aaron Rodgers. So you know,
with that being said, man in the way he's winning
and his level, uh and in intensity, I mean, at
some point in time, right and I you know, I watched,
you know, watching the Economic Gregor fight the other night.
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I always fell like, Okay, you gotta you gotta enough money,
you got your family, your attitude and your demeanor starts
to change when you reach a plateau in your life.
I mean it happens to the best of everybody. Your
mentality change is just a little bit. And nothing changed
about Tom you know, it's not the same. It's not
the money, it's not the all the rings, the winning.
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Do you still see the intensity and the passion to
one out there going dominate that you've seen ten of
fifteen years ago? And that that to me, and you know,
kind of being a former athlete, you know, playing ball
in my whole entire life, you get to a point
where like, Okay, well you did this, you did that,
you did that. Your attitude, mentality changes over the course
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of time. And to see him still now compete and
want to win as bad as he did ten of
fifteen years ago, it is amazing. Man. I don't think
I don't think we've ever seen anything like that. All right,
let's go to the other side. Aaron Rodgers in the
postgame press conference, him talking about yesterday's loss. You could
just hear it in his voice how much this is
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gonna weigh on him and how incredibly difficult it is
going to be. When you think you're on a team
that's good enough to win a championship and it doesn't happen.
What does that feel like? Uh? In the NFL, what
does that feeling like? Right after the game? Your dressing
you're in the shower, you talk to the media. I mean,
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I imagine you feel a little bit like you're in
a fog because to your point, yes, you can be successful,
you can be making a lot of money, all those things,
but the competitor in you is so desperate to win
that I imagine it is just I mean, I think
Aaron Rodgers described it as a gut punch to get
to play at home. You know, he fully expected to
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win that game. He prepared to win that game. He
was expecting to be getting ready to go down to
Tampa and try to win a super Bowl. And when
you're younger, I imagine you lose a game, you think, oh,
I'll be back there again. I'm sure for Aaron Rodgers,
he's sitting around right now thinking this may never happen
for me again. You know, I may never get to
another super Bowl, just like Brett Farve did. It's been
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a decade, He's had opportunities to get back, he hasn't
done it. I'm not sure that he'll have another one.
What do you think he felt like, you know, a gun,
A gut punch is a good word to describe it.
But you know, when you lose those type of games.
He started to look back at the off season programs,
training camps, the times that you had to go out
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there in practice and you just didn't feel like it
because something was hurting, or your ankle was swollen, or
you had a you know, a tight lower back, or
your handstrings and knees were bugging you, and you forced
yourself to go out there. You start looking at every
single thing over the course of the year that took
you to get there, and that failure is right as
his gut punch and his heart has to be in
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his socks right now, just and walking around knowing that, uh,
that they may not have a chance to get back there.
That's one of the things that I always said about
my career. And also, you know, playing with guys like
the Dandy and Thomas and the Philip Rivers, and we
had an all star squad and we were so good
at a young gamee that we always felt that we
had an opportunity to get back there. And then you
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start to realize that you have this short run of
two to four years or somewhere in between there where
your team could be really good, and you don't know
if that team has ever gonna be assembled. Like that again.
And I think Aaron Rodgers alluded to that. He said exactly,
he don't know who who's gonna be here. God's gotta
contract disputes. Uh, you know, maybe get cut new coaching
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staffs or you know, just new personnel is gonna be there,
and you don't know that those guys are still gonna
be around. And I think also the second part of
that is I and I go back to saying this
that they brought in another quarterback and whether that's for
Love to get on the field right now or two
years from now, whatever that situation being, that had to
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that had to bother Aaron Rodgers. It had to and
for him to go out and have one of the
best seasons ever and not make it, well, you started
to look back at, well, maybe you could have got
us a first round defensive back. I mean, kid played
Sting was getting mosted. They kept ticking on him the
whole entire time. So maybe you go out and draft
a cornerback or or slot, you know, something that gives
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him some extra help. And they didn't do that because
that's what they needed. This game. They king single handedly,
uh you know, really killed these guys in multiple different ways,
and if you look back at the opportunity to go
get a big name defensive back or a big namesake
is something that will go out and help you to
go and win a championship. That's what really hurts. That
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hurts you at the end of the day more than
anything else. When you see the uh it's it's kind
of fascinating the endgame scenario because a lot of people
will get to this in a sec the decision to
kick the field goal instead of go forward on fourth down.
But the end of the first half in that scenario,
as a defensive player, I don't know what exactly the
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play call was, but you're a smart defensive player, and
so much of any smart athlete is playing scenarios and situations.
It seems to me. I mean, it looked almost like
Greg Williams at the end of the game against against
I guess it was the Raiders and when he was
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got fired by the Jets. Why in the world would
you be in that defense. I went back and watched it.
They were playing. Man, it looked like on both of
the wide sides of the field, right um, And I mean,
whether or not you should ever let that guy behind you,
why would you ever be in that perspective. I believe
there were six seconds left and the and the Bucks
had no time outs. So if you do anything basically
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other than if you just tackle him on the field,
any player the halfs out, you give up no more points.
To me, that was where the game was lost for
the Packers in many ways, Yeah, no doubt about it.
And that's that starts from the top the stars to coach,
and you can't put your players in bad situations like that.
But also, I'll go back to king uh anything, And
this is football one oh one. This is not you know,
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just because I played the National Football League, you know
this is this is high school level uh scenario situations
when when is that much time on the clock, you're
going into the half. You keep everything in front of you, period,
You don't you don't let anything behind you. Uh you
don't care if you get path, but you cannot let
it go for thirty plus you get a guy in
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the ground pushing by the bound lived to find another day.
So you go back and you're gonna sit there and
I'm sure Aaron Rodger's gonna watching him tonight on the
on the plane. I'm I'm starting on a wherever he
how over he's getting home, he's gonna watch that Tim
the night. He's not gonna wait to tomorrow, and he's
gonna play that single play over and over and over
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those two or three mistakes that happened in that game
to change the course up them winning that football game.
And when he's right, it's a real gut punch because
they had that game. I don't think Tampa. You know,
Tampa makes some key plays and and I think Tom
played extremely well, but it was really two or three
plays in that whole game that decided the outcome. California
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the Aaron Rodgers of the world. Do you think that
he will be sitting back eventually when he has time
to contemplate everything, knowing that Jordan's loves there on the sideline,
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that they drafted a first rounder. He said all the
right things during the course of this season, But would
it surprise you if he decided that he wants to
go elsewhere and finish his career somewhere else because he
can look at a guy like Tom Brady and say, hey,
I think I've got three or four more years right
if I had the ability like Brady? Did? I know
he's not a free agent, but to survey the field
and see all of the possibilities. Matthew Stafford's gonna do it.
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Deshaun Watson's gonna do it. I mean there are some
really big time playmaking quarterbacks who could be interested in
moving on. How do you see this plan out? Well,
I think we're seeing more of this than we ever
have in the National Football League, Right, Guys forcing their
way out and let it be known, Hey, I want
to be on the move. It's it's the closest thing
that the n f NBA has been for years, right yeah. Uh,
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Deshaun Watson was public about it. Um, it's sounding you know,
even though Aaron Rodgers didn't say it, it's short hells
sounded like he was. He was public about it. Um
And whether or not he is, uh, you know public,
you know, making a vocal or let it be known
that uh be loved. Being drafted was a problem. It was.
And I can tell you that being a former player
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got drafted in your position, it's a problem because that's
the team that's not saying, hey, we need death disposition.
It's not a wide receiver, a quarterback in case somebody
gets hurt. You drafted the guy early on it means
you want him to come and take your job. And
now you got a coach that comes in and and
kicks the field goal or uh when he shouldn't right,
and trying to put more points on the board, and
you have them calling bad defenses and in different situations.
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You know, now you're just wasting one of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time. Now you're just wasting his years
by not giving him just that answer push helped him out.
This guy's had an amazing year. He's done so much
for that organization, and you didn't do much for him
and put him in situations to win. So um, you know,
I'm curious to see what's gonna happen. But as sure
as hells sounded to me that he wanted he wanted
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his way out. What do you think about the decision
to kick the field goal late in that Packers game
against the Bucks? Uh, fourth down from the eight yard line,
kick the field goal? You're hoping to get the ball back?
I always say, and I said earlier in this show,
as a general rule, if the opposing team is excited
about the choice that you have made, then you probably
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shouldn't do it. And I know there are a lot
of people out there who are who are fans of
the Tampa by Buccaneers probably listening to me right now.
Like as soon as they took Aaron Rodgers off the
field and said, yeah, we want to make it a
five point game, they were ecstatic. What would you have
thought from a player perspective? And I know you can
talk about analytics and everything else, but one analytical thing
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I don't want to do is give Tom Brady the
ball over the last twenty years with a chance to
get a first down or two, and never give my
guy a chance to get the ball back. What would
you be thinking on the field. Would you have thought
after the game when you had more time to think
about it? You know, Clay, I've been on the other
side of that, right. Give us tom Brady two minutes
with the ball back in his hand and we're up, right,
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And so if we're down, we don't we don't have
a chance because you're not getting the ball back from
Tom Brady with two you know, two minutes left, you're
just not um And you know, if you're in the team,
just kind of scratching your head trying to figure out
what in the hell you're thinking. Then I understand that
coaching is not easy, right, I mean, you got thirty
seconds to make a play calls in certain situations and scenario.
But we're we're going back to football one oh one.
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You got the greatest quarterback of all time on the
opposee side of you. The chances are that he's gonna
do something really good with the football. And the second
part of it is, I uh. I think we heard
in the in the press conference with Aaron Rodgers saying
that wasn't my decision, that wasn't my decisions. He didn't
he didn't defend the coach, He didn't defend that calls.
He said that I was not a part of that decision.
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And I think that you know, Earon Rodgers, he makes
you know, he has like this dry comedy thing about him, right,
he has this thing where he talks, he kind of
bliminally say certain things and it's funny. You can interpret
it certain ways. But one thing he is is he's
in the front and he's honest. He speaks things when
they comes when they come up. And when he said
that that he wasn't a part of that decision, mean that, hey,
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I wouldn't have called this. I wouldn't have this. This
was against my will and I wouldn't have done this.
I don't feel good about this, so that just you know,
that just lets me know that there's some problems there.
And I'm not saying the problem with him and the
coach or the organization, but there's something going on there,
and I really expect Aaron Rodgers to somehow, some way
be on the move after this year. Alright, So looking ahead, now,
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we've got two weeks to talk about it, thirteen days,
whatever the heck it is. Kansas City Chiefs Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
How do you assess? And I'm sure we'll talk to
you again before this matchup actually happens, but early read
from you. First question, is it impactful to be able
to play from home? How much of an advantage? We've
never seen this happen in the Super Bowl Before the
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They're already back down in Tampa, they
know they have to go nowhere, they get to work
out exact same routine as normal, they're literally next door
practicing to the football field. How much can that actually
be an advantage in your mind to be able to
play the Super Bowl at home? Well, it's a great advantage.
But you know, those guys gonna have to be extremely disciplined,
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right because when you're playing at home, Uh, that means
you're gonna be there, you know, the week's leading up
to it. Uh, you got family and friends and everybody
trying to be a part of what you're doing, and
so you really have to be disciplined. I think that
with Tom Brady being there, uh, he's really gonna be
the enforcer, right, I mean, you know, grabbing guys up.
You can't go out too late, you know, you know, curfew.
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I mean, there's there's gonna have to be something that
placed because there's a ton of distractions leading up to
those weeks everything. I mean, look at this, this is
the busiest week of some of those guys lives, and
everybody's gonna be pulling that you interviews, I want you
to come out to this place, you know, and and
so much gonna be involved. So it's really how discipline
those guys can be. And I'm not talking about the
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don't want to get to the fan aspect and playing
in front of your home crowd. All those things are great,
But I'm talking about leading up to the game. Planning
your city. I can only imagine the type of distractions
just gonna happen and things that they have to deal
with leading up to the game. So whoever the leaders are,
and I want to point to Tom Brady because I
think that we heard a lot after after they won
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at the press carference when they're on the field and
UH coach arean saying, look, Tom Brady came here with
an attitude and changed his culture. You know, he's been
a leader and a vocal leader, and he's gonna have
to be that U leading up to this game in
order to keep those guys on track. You said it,
I've said it. There are one of the great debates
for sports for the last twenty years has been who's
more responsible for the New England Patriot dynasty? Tom Brady
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or Bill Belichick. I didn't think there was any way
that in this year we would find an answer to
that question. I'm sure even for normal fans, this was
a debate I bet among NFL players sometimes you guys
would get together and debate that as well. It's kind
of a foregone conclusion now, isn't it. With Brady going
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to the Bucks winning three road games with them, in
year one. And it's not like he went to a
team with some incredible culture of winning in the NFC,
you know that had been there year after year after year.
He almost feels like he single handedly willed them there.
You've never seen this in the NFL. You've never seen
one guy go to organization and slipped the script as
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he did. We've never seen it. We've seen the NBA.
You know, Lebron goes to a team. You know they're
gonna win a lot of games. You know you're gonna
have James Hardens somewhere gonna win, O Katie, someone goes
they're gonna win a lot of games. We've never seen
in the NFL one guy goes to organization and slipped
everything they've done. Uh. And like I said, I hate
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seeing and use the worst never because those are extreme words.
Uh well, I just don't think we'll never see anything
like it. We just won't. I mean Tom Brady, for
for years and playing the against him, I've always worried
about not only playing Tim Brady, but going there playing
and coaching from the mind of Bill Belichick and him,
you know, being able to switch, Uh, you know all
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the boy games and and switch up. You know some
of the things they're don't make an end game adjustments,
those are all coming from Bill Belichick. What we're seeing
now is that Tom Brady was the key to their
success and because he was there for so long a
winning Bill Belichick took a lot of their credit for
I mean, they didn't happen this year. Look what's happening
to the team. Tom Brady's gone. He's gone to the organization.
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Look what he's done there. So if you look at
it across the board, man, I just you know they
call him to go, is really Ah, it's not enough,
right because you know, we got a lot of the
greatest of all times and things. But now you gotta
you gotta make up. I don't know what that word
is for Tom at this point, going to you know, conference,
going to another team that the coach of the organization
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and winning just as he did for twenty years. Somewhere else. Uh,
we gotta see. Got a new word for Tom. I
don't know what it is yet, but we could spit out.
We're talking of Sean Merriman Lights Out podcast. Last question
for you, and it's not football. I watched Connor McGregor
fight on Uh and I know you're a big UFC
guy as well. And I know a lot of our
listeners are what did you see from the McGregor fight,
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how much, if anything does he have left in UFC
in your mind? Well, you know what play watching that um?
Watching that fight? Uh, and and kind of being around
Connor's camping and knowing would he trained and know his
trainer and a team and staff and everybody's around him.
He trained hard to heal. He looked great walking into
the fight, and what'n't the lack of training. But I
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can tell you right now, when you get kicked that
much in your leg, especially in your calf and your
front leg, you can't put that thing down because it's
when it's describe exactly what it feels like. It feels
like your legs is swelling up with blood and you
put it in the ground, but it's not giving you
anything back, almost like you're a peg leg. And so
once I've seen that he got a couple of a
nice cast kicks in there, and I've been there, I've
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got my ass kicks a few times, you got my
legs kicked. You just cannot put that leg in the ground.
And more you're almost destined to sit down, eat punches.
There's nothing you can really do. I thought that, you know,
Dustin put put together a hell of a game plan
to fight plan against him. Um, you know a credit
he got with the first time around. He came back
with a different metality. He got much better than a fighter.
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He had more time in the octagon, and he was
ready to go. I got no doubt in my mind
that Connor will be back uh with a big splash,
and he'll be back on top. And there might take
him a year or so to do it. Um, but
he's not done by a long shot. Seawan Merriman. I
appreciate you, my man. We'll talk to you maybe next
week a little bit of Super Bowl preview. But in
the meantime, enjoy things. You got it you too that
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I Heart Radio podcast network and Sean. I thought, coming
into this season, maybe Brady plays this year, maybe he
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plays another year. After watching this season with the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, I'm like, this dude's gonna play untill he's
fifty years old. And I know he didn't have a
spectacular game But when you look at the whole aspect
to go on the road, When three games out of
the wild Card now get to play at home in
two weeks, It's an unbelievable accomplishment by Tom Brady, isn't it.
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You know what he said, Uh, a couple of years
ago he wanted to play until he was you know what,
he's six years old. You know, I just thought he
was just talking crazy. I really did. It didn't sound possible, right,
I mean, we've seen some guys playing to the early forties,
you know, Drew Brees and Brett Father with some of
these guys. But as you see how Drew Brees finished
up the season and play well, whether that was Indrey
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or age. Um, I really believe he can played to
least forty six years old, and any problem that can
play well because of how he's playing now, he's not
getting hit as much. Uh, you know, he's learned how
now to move around in the pocket heat. I mean,
he's moving better right now that he did five or
six years ago. And that's just kind of crazy to say.
And as long as they keep those pieces around him
(02:24):
in Tampa, why not, I just you know, why not?
Why not played forty years old. Is he the great
We talked about this earlier in the show. In your mind,
I think the greatest quarterback of all time? There's no
argument anymore, right, I mean that that that ship has sailed.
Maybe in ten years, if Patrick Mahomes continues to play
(02:45):
like he is, maybe we can end up fifteen years
having a debate between those two, or maybe somebody else
is gonna come up and start to have uh a
level of success that we don't anticipate otherwise. But is
there any doubt now about him be the greatest quarterback
of all time? And I think he's ascended to the
point now where you can argue he's the greatest American
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sports team athlete of all time. And you know, it
was funny because I've planned against him, and obviously I've
always had my thing against the Patriots, right, and they
sent us home by the many playoffs to stop the
Super Bowl things like that, So I've always had my
grapes there. But I also always believe Tom Brady's greatness
(03:28):
was partly due to Bill Belichick and you know, having
an owner in the organization and how they just put
all the pieces to the puzzle every single year I
was wrong. You know I was wrong. Man, I just
now saying what he's doing in another organization, another team,
another conference, another setting, and older. Uh, there's not even
(03:50):
a doubt, not even a one percent chance that he's
the goal. But I'll take it a step further. I
don't think there's anybody even close. Like you started naming
your top three quarterback of all time, I don't even
put anybody in a category with him, and how he's
performing and how he's playing. Uh, you know, if he
does go and win a ring, and he still has
a chance to go into the next one or two
(04:12):
years to win another one, we will never And you know,
I hate to say never, because never is the words
had always come back and bite you in the ass
a little bit, right, but we will never see another
performance another quarterback like Tom Brady again in this lifetime.
I agree with you. And to kind of put into
context how long he has been doing this. I saw
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stat and I was like, this is amazing. Josh Allen
and Patrick Mahomes on the other side in the a
f C Championship game, they were in kindergarten when Tom
Brady played in his first Super Bowl. I mean, if
that doesn't blow your mind out there for everybody who
is listening to us right now, kindergarten, he's been in
(04:54):
the Pros, he was in the super Bowl, since they
were in kindergarten. It's unbelievable. Well, you know a lot
of these guys still got on diapers playing against him.
I mean, you know that that's the way he's making
people look. And you know, he also went against another
quarterback who we also look at as great as one
of the greatest. You know, he went against the guys
(05:16):
who in ten years from now or fifteen years will
be still calling him one of the greatest quarterbacks to
ever played the game, in Aaron Rodgers. So you know,
with that being said, man in the way he's winning
and his level, uh and in intensity, I mean, at
some point in time, right and I you know, I watched,
you know, watching the Economic Gregor fight the other night.
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I always fell like, Okay, you gotta you gotta enough money,
you got your family, your attitude and your demeanor starts
to change when you reach a plateau in your life.
I mean it happens to the best of everybody. Your
mentality change is just a little bit. And nothing changed
about Tom you know, it's not the same. It's not
the money, it's not the all the rings, the winning.
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Do you still see the intensity and the passion to
one out there going dominate that you've seen ten of
fifteen years ago? And that that to me, and you know,
kind of being a former athlete, you know, playing ball
in my whole entire life, you get to a point
where like, Okay, well you did this, you did that,
you did that. Your attitude, mentality changes over the course
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of time. And to see him still now compete and
want to win as bad as he did ten of
fifteen years ago, it is amazing. Man. I don't think
I don't think we've ever seen anything like that. All right,
let's go to the other side. Aaron Rodgers in the
postgame press conference, him talking about yesterday's loss. You could
just hear it in his voice how much this is
(06:41):
gonna weigh on him and how incredibly difficult it is
going to be. When you think you're on a team
that's good enough to win a championship and it doesn't happen.
What does that feel like? Uh? In the NFL, what
does that feeling like? Right after the game? Your dressing
you're in the shower, you talk to the media. I mean,
(07:04):
I imagine you feel a little bit like you're in
a fog because to your point, yes, you can be successful,
you can be making a lot of money, all those things,
but the competitor in you is so desperate to win
that I imagine it is just I mean, I think
Aaron Rodgers described it as a gut punch to get
to play at home. You know, he fully expected to
(07:25):
win that game. He prepared to win that game. He
was expecting to be getting ready to go down to
Tampa and try to win a super Bowl. And when
you're younger, I imagine you lose a game, you think, oh,
I'll be back there again. I'm sure for Aaron Rodgers,
he's sitting around right now thinking this may never happen
for me again. You know, I may never get to
another super Bowl, just like Brett Farve did. It's been
(07:46):
a decade, He's had opportunities to get back, he hasn't
done it. I'm not sure that he'll have another one.
What do you think he felt like, you know, a gun,
A gut punch is a good word to describe it.
But you know, when you lose those type of games.
He started to look back at the off season programs,
training camps, the times that you had to go out
(08:06):
there in practice and you just didn't feel like it
because something was hurting, or your ankle was swollen, or
you had a you know, a tight lower back, or
your handstrings and knees were bugging you, and you forced
yourself to go out there. You start looking at every
single thing over the course of the year that took
you to get there, and that failure is right as
his gut punch and his heart has to be in
(08:29):
his socks right now, just and walking around knowing that, uh,
that they may not have a chance to get back there.
That's one of the things that I always said about
my career. And also, you know, playing with guys like
the Dandy and Thomas and the Philip Rivers, and we
had an all star squad and we were so good
at a young gamee that we always felt that we
had an opportunity to get back there. And then you
(08:49):
start to realize that you have this short run of
two to four years or somewhere in between there where
your team could be really good, and you don't know
if that team has ever gonna be assembled. Like that again.
And I think Aaron Rodgers alluded to that. He said exactly,
he don't know who who's gonna be here. God's gotta
contract disputes. Uh, you know, maybe get cut new coaching
(09:10):
staffs or you know, just new personnel is gonna be there,
and you don't know that those guys are still gonna
be around. And I think also the second part of
that is I and I go back to saying this
that they brought in another quarterback and whether that's for
Love to get on the field right now or two
years from now, whatever that situation being, that had to
(09:30):
that had to bother Aaron Rodgers. It had to and
for him to go out and have one of the
best seasons ever and not make it, well, you started
to look back at, well, maybe you could have got
us a first round defensive back. I mean, kid played
Sting was getting mosted. They kept ticking on him the
whole entire time. So maybe you go out and draft
a cornerback or or slot, you know, something that gives
(09:54):
him some extra help. And they didn't do that because
that's what they needed. This game. They king single handedly,
uh you know, really killed these guys in multiple different ways,
and if you look back at the opportunity to go
get a big name defensive back or a big namesake
is something that will go out and help you to
go and win a championship. That's what really hurts. That
(10:15):
hurts you at the end of the day more than
anything else. When you see the uh it's it's kind
of fascinating the endgame scenario because a lot of people
will get to this in a sec the decision to
kick the field goal instead of go forward on fourth down.
But the end of the first half in that scenario,
as a defensive player, I don't know what exactly the
(10:37):
play call was, but you're a smart defensive player, and
so much of any smart athlete is playing scenarios and situations.
It seems to me. I mean, it looked almost like
Greg Williams at the end of the game against against
I guess it was the Raiders and when he was
(10:57):
got fired by the Jets. Why in the world would
you be in that defense. I went back and watched it.
They were playing. Man, it looked like on both of
the wide sides of the field, right um, And I mean,
whether or not you should ever let that guy behind you,
why would you ever be in that perspective. I believe
there were six seconds left and the and the Bucks
had no time outs. So if you do anything basically
(11:20):
other than if you just tackle him on the field,
any player the halfs out, you give up no more points.
To me, that was where the game was lost for
the Packers in many ways, Yeah, no doubt about it.
And that's that starts from the top the stars to coach,
and you can't put your players in bad situations like that.
But also, I'll go back to king uh anything, And
this is football one oh one. This is not you know,
(11:41):
just because I played the National Football League, you know
this is this is high school level uh scenario situations
when when is that much time on the clock, you're
going into the half. You keep everything in front of you, period,
You don't you don't let anything behind you. Uh you
don't care if you get path, but you cannot let
it go for thirty plus you get a guy in
(12:02):
the ground pushing by the bound lived to find another day.
So you go back and you're gonna sit there and
I'm sure Aaron Rodger's gonna watching him tonight on the
on the plane. I'm I'm starting on a wherever he
how over he's getting home, he's gonna watch that Tim
the night. He's not gonna wait to tomorrow, and he's
gonna play that single play over and over and over
(12:23):
those two or three mistakes that happened in that game
to change the course up them winning that football game.
And when he's right, it's a real gut punch because
they had that game. I don't think Tampa. You know,
Tampa makes some key plays and and I think Tom
played extremely well, but it was really two or three
plays in that whole game that decided the outcome. California
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the Aaron Rodgers of the world. Do you think that
he will be sitting back eventually when he has time
to contemplate everything, knowing that Jordan's loves there on the sideline,
(14:13):
that they drafted a first rounder. He said all the
right things during the course of this season, But would
it surprise you if he decided that he wants to
go elsewhere and finish his career somewhere else because he
can look at a guy like Tom Brady and say, hey,
I think I've got three or four more years right
if I had the ability like Brady? Did? I know
he's not a free agent, but to survey the field
and see all of the possibilities. Matthew Stafford's gonna do it.
(14:37):
Deshaun Watson's gonna do it. I mean there are some
really big time playmaking quarterbacks who could be interested in
moving on. How do you see this plan out? Well,
I think we're seeing more of this than we ever
have in the National Football League, Right, Guys forcing their
way out and let it be known, Hey, I want
to be on the move. It's it's the closest thing
that the n f NBA has been for years, right yeah. Uh,
(15:00):
Deshaun Watson was public about it. Um, it's sounding you know,
even though Aaron Rodgers didn't say it, it's short hells
sounded like he was. He was public about it. Um
And whether or not he is, uh, you know public,
you know, making a vocal or let it be known
that uh be loved. Being drafted was a problem. It was.
And I can tell you that being a former player
(15:21):
got drafted in your position, it's a problem because that's
the team that's not saying, hey, we need death disposition.
It's not a wide receiver, a quarterback in case somebody
gets hurt. You drafted the guy early on it means
you want him to come and take your job. And
now you got a coach that comes in and and
kicks the field goal or uh when he shouldn't right,
and trying to put more points on the board, and
you have them calling bad defenses and in different situations.
(15:44):
You know, now you're just wasting one of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time. Now you're just wasting his years
by not giving him just that answer push helped him out.
This guy's had an amazing year. He's done so much
for that organization, and you didn't do much for him
and put him in situations to win. So um, you know,
I'm curious to see what's gonna happen. But as sure
as hells sounded to me that he wanted he wanted
(16:05):
his way out. What do you think about the decision
to kick the field goal late in that Packers game
against the Bucks? Uh, fourth down from the eight yard line,
kick the field goal? You're hoping to get the ball back?
I always say, and I said earlier in this show,
as a general rule, if the opposing team is excited
about the choice that you have made, then you probably
(16:27):
shouldn't do it. And I know there are a lot
of people out there who are who are fans of
the Tampa by Buccaneers probably listening to me right now.
Like as soon as they took Aaron Rodgers off the
field and said, yeah, we want to make it a
five point game, they were ecstatic. What would you have
thought from a player perspective? And I know you can
talk about analytics and everything else, but one analytical thing
(16:48):
I don't want to do is give Tom Brady the
ball over the last twenty years with a chance to
get a first down or two, and never give my
guy a chance to get the ball back. What would
you be thinking on the field. Would you have thought
after the game when you had more time to think
about it? You know, Clay, I've been on the other
side of that, right. Give us tom Brady two minutes
with the ball back in his hand and we're up, right,
(17:09):
And so if we're down, we don't we don't have
a chance because you're not getting the ball back from
Tom Brady with two you know, two minutes left, you're
just not um And you know, if you're in the team,
just kind of scratching your head trying to figure out
what in the hell you're thinking. Then I understand that
coaching is not easy, right, I mean, you got thirty
seconds to make a play calls in certain situations and scenario.
But we're we're going back to football one oh one.
(17:30):
You got the greatest quarterback of all time on the
opposee side of you. The chances are that he's gonna
do something really good with the football. And the second
part of it is, I uh. I think we heard
in the in the press conference with Aaron Rodgers saying
that wasn't my decision, that wasn't my decisions. He didn't
he didn't defend the coach, He didn't defend that calls.
He said that I was not a part of that decision.
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And I think that you know, Earon Rodgers, he makes
you know, he has like this dry comedy thing about him, right,
he has this thing where he talks, he kind of
bliminally say certain things and it's funny. You can interpret
it certain ways. But one thing he is is he's
in the front and he's honest. He speaks things when
they comes when they come up. And when he said
that that he wasn't a part of that decision, mean that, hey,
(18:12):
I wouldn't have called this. I wouldn't have this. This
was against my will and I wouldn't have done this.
I don't feel good about this, so that just you know,
that just lets me know that there's some problems there.
And I'm not saying the problem with him and the
coach or the organization, but there's something going on there,
and I really expect Aaron Rodgers to somehow, some way
be on the move after this year. Alright, So looking ahead, now,
(18:35):
we've got two weeks to talk about it, thirteen days,
whatever the heck it is. Kansas City Chiefs Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
How do you assess? And I'm sure we'll talk to
you again before this matchup actually happens, but early read
from you. First question, is it impactful to be able
to play from home? How much of an advantage? We've
never seen this happen in the Super Bowl Before the
(18:55):
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They're already back down in Tampa, they
know they have to go nowhere, they get to work
out exact same routine as normal, they're literally next door
practicing to the football field. How much can that actually
be an advantage in your mind to be able to
play the Super Bowl at home? Well, it's a great advantage.
But you know, those guys gonna have to be extremely disciplined,
(19:17):
right because when you're playing at home, Uh, that means
you're gonna be there, you know, the week's leading up
to it. Uh, you got family and friends and everybody
trying to be a part of what you're doing, and
so you really have to be disciplined. I think that
with Tom Brady being there, uh, he's really gonna be
the enforcer, right, I mean, you know, grabbing guys up.
You can't go out too late, you know, you know, curfew.
(19:39):
I mean, there's there's gonna have to be something that
placed because there's a ton of distractions leading up to
those weeks everything. I mean, look at this, this is
the busiest week of some of those guys lives, and
everybody's gonna be pulling that you interviews, I want you
to come out to this place, you know, and and
so much gonna be involved. So it's really how discipline
those guys can be. And I'm not talking about the
(19:59):
don't want to get to the fan aspect and playing
in front of your home crowd. All those things are great,
But I'm talking about leading up to the game. Planning
your city. I can only imagine the type of distractions
just gonna happen and things that they have to deal
with leading up to the game. So whoever the leaders are,
and I want to point to Tom Brady because I
think that we heard a lot after after they won
(20:21):
at the press carference when they're on the field and
UH coach arean saying, look, Tom Brady came here with
an attitude and changed his culture. You know, he's been
a leader and a vocal leader, and he's gonna have
to be that U leading up to this game in
order to keep those guys on track. You said it,
I've said it. There are one of the great debates
for sports for the last twenty years has been who's
more responsible for the New England Patriot dynasty? Tom Brady
(20:45):
or Bill Belichick. I didn't think there was any way
that in this year we would find an answer to
that question. I'm sure even for normal fans, this was
a debate I bet among NFL players sometimes you guys
would get together and debate that as well. It's kind
of a foregone conclusion now, isn't it. With Brady going
(21:06):
to the Bucks winning three road games with them, in
year one. And it's not like he went to a
team with some incredible culture of winning in the NFC,
you know that had been there year after year after year.
He almost feels like he single handedly willed them there.
You've never seen this in the NFL. You've never seen
one guy go to organization and slipped the script as
(21:28):
he did. We've never seen it. We've seen the NBA.
You know, Lebron goes to a team. You know they're
gonna win a lot of games. You know you're gonna
have James Hardens somewhere gonna win, O Katie, someone goes
they're gonna win a lot of games. We've never seen
in the NFL one guy goes to organization and slipped
everything they've done. Uh. And like I said, I hate
(21:48):
seeing and use the worst never because those are extreme words.
Uh well, I just don't think we'll never see anything
like it. We just won't. I mean Tom Brady, for
for years and playing the against him, I've always worried
about not only playing Tim Brady, but going there playing
and coaching from the mind of Bill Belichick and him,
you know, being able to switch, Uh, you know all
(22:09):
the boy games and and switch up. You know some
of the things they're don't make an end game adjustments,
those are all coming from Bill Belichick. What we're seeing
now is that Tom Brady was the key to their
success and because he was there for so long a
winning Bill Belichick took a lot of their credit for
I mean, they didn't happen this year. Look what's happening
to the team. Tom Brady's gone. He's gone to the organization.
(22:30):
Look what he's done there. So if you look at
it across the board, man, I just you know they
call him to go, is really Ah, it's not enough,
right because you know, we got a lot of the
greatest of all times and things. But now you gotta
you gotta make up. I don't know what that word
is for Tom at this point, going to you know, conference,
going to another team that the coach of the organization
(22:52):
and winning just as he did for twenty years. Somewhere else. Uh,
we gotta see. Got a new word for Tom. I
don't know what it is yet, but we could spit out.
We're talking of Sean Merriman Lights Out podcast. Last question
for you, and it's not football. I watched Connor McGregor
fight on Uh and I know you're a big UFC
guy as well. And I know a lot of our
listeners are what did you see from the McGregor fight,
(23:12):
how much, if anything does he have left in UFC
in your mind? Well, you know what play watching that um?
Watching that fight? Uh, and and kind of being around
Connor's camping and knowing would he trained and know his
trainer and a team and staff and everybody's around him.
He trained hard to heal. He looked great walking into
the fight, and what'n't the lack of training. But I
(23:32):
can tell you right now, when you get kicked that
much in your leg, especially in your calf and your
front leg, you can't put that thing down because it's
when it's describe exactly what it feels like. It feels
like your legs is swelling up with blood and you
put it in the ground, but it's not giving you
anything back, almost like you're a peg leg. And so
once I've seen that he got a couple of a
nice cast kicks in there, and I've been there, I've
(23:55):
got my ass kicks a few times, you got my
legs kicked. You just cannot put that leg in the ground.
And more you're almost destined to sit down, eat punches.
There's nothing you can really do. I thought that, you know,
Dustin put put together a hell of a game plan
to fight plan against him. Um, you know a credit
he got with the first time around. He came back
with a different metality. He got much better than a fighter.
(24:17):
He had more time in the octagon, and he was
ready to go. I got no doubt in my mind
that Connor will be back uh with a big splash,
and he'll be back on top. And there might take
him a year or so to do it. Um, but
he's not done by a long shot. Seawan Merriman. I
appreciate you, my man. We'll talk to you maybe next
week a little bit of Super Bowl preview. But in
the meantime, enjoy things. You got it you too that
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