Martin Weiss & Steve Hartman Talk Crosby to the Ravens, Jayson Tatum's Return & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's right, if we're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. Mansy Bolanos texted me Steve and said, I
saw an opportunity to take Saturday off, so see you
next week.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
No excuse, just vacation, that's all.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Well, I found an opportunity to work a Saturday night,
which you know me, Martin, you know me a long time.
Every time I get an opportunity to hang out on
the air here at Fox Sports Radio, especially with mister
Martin wise, I'm going to grab that opportunity in a heartbeat.
So it's good to be where.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Our producer Andy and I were talking yesterday.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I said, it's going to be great to see Steven
the Saturday shirt instead of the Sunday shirt.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Yes, and that's this is my Saturday shirt, my traditional
Saturday shirt. Sunday is, of course my UCLA shirt, which
I will be Donnie tomorrow. Of course, hanging out with VJA.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Tomorrow's tradition unlike any other.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm getting ready for TV,
so I'm you know, I'm sort of cleaned up right now,
see that, you know, the hairs like the TV hair
is going that kind of thing, jet black, jet black.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
So steve a lot on the table today, Yes, does
ever not on a lot on the.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Table for a sports art radio show.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Change the channel? But uh, where you want to start?
Because I think I was hearing Bucking Fits. Actually I
decided let's start here because Duke in North Carolina are
in a matchup right now, top twenty five matchup, and
I was hearing Bucking Fits the show before us start
talking about this game and saying how it.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Had lost a bit of luster.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And I kind of agree in that it all looks
the same like when you are just when you just
flip it on, you turn on ESPN or whatever channel
the game is on. You look at Cameron Indoor Stadium.
Everybody's still wearing Duke blue. Everybody's still waving their speared
fingers at the end bounders even making contact with them,
you know, because the students are that close to the

(01:50):
to the court and everything. And I know this one
may have lost a little bit of luster. Kayleb Wilson
out for the out for this game after getting hurt
in practice, but it's still Duke North Carolina. But they
were saying it didn't quite feel like it, and for me,
it also doesn't quite feel like it, in part because
I think this is one of the unintended consequences of

(02:11):
things like the transfer portal, because part of why these
rivalries feel.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
The way they do.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
And I think in football it's just a little bit
harder because even though you have so many transfers, right,
the singular impact of a single person is lesser than
it is in basketball.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right, in basketball, one.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Guy can just ask the San Antonio Spurs about how
their fortunes have changed since Victor went Benjama fell into
their laps. Right, one guy can rule the world in basketball,
and in the transfer portal era, even more so than
the one and done, you don't feel an ownership of
these guys in the same way that.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You have in years past.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And I think that's the biggest thing why college basketball
rivalries don't feel the same way as they always have.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Well, apparently the White House is discussing now how they
can change the dynamic of college sports because you know,
we'll see what happens here. Because you're absolutely right, Martin,
I mean, the transfer portal, you forget the nil Okay,
getting paid makes sense because they generate millions and millions
of dollars for these universities. The players should be compensated
in some way. The problem is the transfer portal. Like

(03:23):
you say, when I when I think way back in
the days with Duke basketball. You know, one of the
great luxuries coach k had when he was building his
early dynasty with the Christian Latners and the Bobby Hurleys
and the Grand Hills and all those players. They stayed
four years. So you got to know these guys. If
you hated Duke, if you hated Bobby Hurley or Christian Laytner,
you really hated them after four years. You know, same

(03:46):
thing with North Carolina or later with Tyler Hansbrow. You
married Tyler. That one worst guys you just couldn't psycho. Okay,
So but he played four years at North Carolina. So nowadays,
even if you're one of these players, it's not going
to jump you know, be a one and done guy.
You're not gonna stay at the same university if you
get an opportunity to make more money elsewhere. And this

(04:08):
is the tricky deal. This is why it's such a
challenge for these coaches because you know, you recruit a
kid and then you're you know, you're usually gonna bring
him along unless he's just one of those out of
the box, you know, superstars, and you don't have that
luxury anymore. And sometimes when you finally do start to
develop a town, it's like the Mara kid, you know
from UCLA. They were developing this kid and Boomy jumps

(04:29):
it Michigan. Oh yeah, okay, so yeah exactly, And you
know UCLA has no interior defense that you can use
that guy right now. So this is this is why
when you talk about identifying with the label of Duke
and North Carolina, it's more than that. There has to
be a connection to the players. And again, we don't

(04:51):
even have the coaches anymore. This is no longer coach
k versus Roy Williams or Dean Smith.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Back in the day.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Those days are gone, and so yeah, yeah, it definitely
loses the luster. But to be honest with you, Martin,
it's hard for me to get caught up in any
regular season college game. And I go back to my
many years covering the Final four way back in the day,
and the coaches will always voice their frustration. You know,

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we can win thirty games, we can win a conference championship,
we can win a conference tournament championship. Nobody cares. The
only thing they want to know at the end of
the day is how far do you go in the tournament? Sure,
and if you have an incredible year and you bomb
out in the second round, that's all people remember. So
you've created monster. There's nothing like march Mandess. It is

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one of one in terms of the captivation of the
entire country because, you know, Martin, people will fill out brackets.
They literally have no idea about a single player, single coach,
single team. They don't care. Just let me fill out
a bracket, which makes marchmandas in mind.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You should win between fifth seed Street John against twelve
seed Boise Street. Oh wait, don't mean State.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
That was That was always my great story about one
of our newscasters. She was insistent on filling out a bracket.
You know, I'm like, okay, here's a bracket, and she
looks up and she sees where is ball Street. I'm
gonna know st period is State, not Street. And the
irony was she was a Philadelphia girl. Was the other

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Villanova won the national championship in twenty sixteen, and she
picked Villanova to win it all and beat me in
the bracket. It's insidious.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Are you feeling good? He bought your Michigan Wolverines.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Man, I think that this. Remember the Yukon year.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know, I got to pick right now. I don't
know what the matchups are going to be because that's a
big part of but I got Michigan in the final four.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
You remember the Yukon year where they won every game
in the tournament by double digits? Oh yeah, And it
was like we all kind of danced around. It was like, oh,
maybe you know, can this a SEC power.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Make a run?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
And we was all kind of ignoring that Eliath was
in the room. That's what this year's Michigan team is like.
When they don't play well, they win by single digits.
When they play marginally well, they win by ten. When
they play like a B plus, they win by twenty five.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
So I would imagine for a Wolverine like yourself that
your dream ending to the season would be Michigan blowing
out Duke in the National Championship Game. How would that
sit with you? If you close your eyes and vision
Michigan Duke National Championship Game, Top two teams in the

(07:39):
country rematch from the regular season and Michigan blows the
doors off Duke in the championship.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean to be clear, I am okay with Michigan
blowing the doors off of anybody in the National championship game,
right because of the end result. Because as my time
as a Michigan basketball fan, you know, Michigan basketball has
been better save a national championship, Michigan football has.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
In my twenty near years now of being a.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Michigan fan, Michigan basketball's had higher highs, especially in March.
Right we consider postseason play when the late John Bline years,
Trey Burke and then you know Mitch McGarry, Nick Daskiss
all these years and now, and those were also the
dark days of Michigan football where you know the rich
Rod Yes and all of that. Right, the five years
I was at Michigan. The little victory lap to add

(08:28):
on that fourth year. But the five years I was
at Michigan was the worst five years in Michigan football
history by just about every metric I've looked this up
by like wins, winning percentage, points allowed, points scored, you know,
defensive metch like Yost.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Was spinning in his grave through those five years.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It was the worst five years straight. You can't find
another one. And Michigan damn near invented the sport of
football when you know what I mean, Like literally one
of the founding.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Played winning his program in college football history.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And I found the worst five of yours to be there.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So I am honestly just as big of a Michigan
basketball fan because the Zact NOVAXXI stud Douglas's of the
world had a tam to compete right they were competing
in the Big Ten. They were never gonna win a
national championship until they got National Player of the Year
Trey Burke who was robbed by Rick Patino and Louisville
and the whole redemption tour.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Is being like, got the two championship games and unfortunately
you lost them both.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
How do you call it a fourth foul on a
National Player of the Year in the first half? Absurdity anyway,
you see, I'm not you know what, It's the last
thing I'll say about it.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Kevin Ware never breaks his leg.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I'm just going back trying to make it feel good
right now by giving you, you know, that possible vision.
So Michigan not just beating Duke, but blowing Duke out
in the championship.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
So that's to the point.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I just want Michigan basketball at this point to
win a national championship. I had, We had a National
Player of the Year and lost to a Louisville team,
which at the time I sat there in my apartment
in epsil anim She has said, it's going to feel
no better when these wins are vacated because Rick Patino
is cheating.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And then sure enough they were.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And then you know, somehow, the National Championship doesn't get retroactive,
it just goes away like a discovery existed. So thanks
a lot, Ricky. But then after that that Villanova team
with Davidcenzo and Bruntson and Bridges, you just say, you
know the junior Knicks, right, they end up graduating to
go ball be the Knicks until they made those traits. Uh,

(10:29):
that team beat the living hell out of Michigan in
the National Championship game.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
So I am just ready at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Michigan a team, a program which has pumped out quite
a few pros when you just consider everything that has
gone on last since the b Line era and even before,
there were quite a few pros in the last twenty years.
Just some good players to come out of the University
of Michigan. They have should have won a national title
by now.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I'm watching Hubert Davis right now, just going nutso in
the huddle is getting blown out by Duke down sixteen
right now, eleven minutes to go. Here's the problem. You know,
he gets to the National Championship game his first year
at North Carolina. What have you done for me lately?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Janet Jackson Territory.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah, he better make a deep run in the tournament
this year. He could be in huge trouble there in
Chapel Hill, big time.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
So all right, so we got a few jobs that
I feel like are in contention right now.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Bill self looks really tired.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
He does, and I think the Darren Peterson situation has
a lot to do with that. Darren Peterson will be
gone next year. But still Bill self looks tired.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Would that be some price he's still I mean, I
watched him the other night. He missed every shot he took.
He's still the guy that's going to be like the
number one pick in the NBA draft. He played well today.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
But I think, honestly, I think the the whatever is
going on with his availability.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, he sat out twelve games because of load manager.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
But no, whatever, what whether it's load management or injury
like whatever it is, it's man the.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Now he's paid. How much do you think Kansas is
paying that kid?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's about five million dollars right, So he's like, yeah,
I'm a pro.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
I get to sit out like the pros do.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So would you rather if you were a young up
and coming coach, like maybe the coach at Iowa State
right now? Yeah, you're saying that North Carolina would be
open because Hubert Davis has been unsatisfying, and I would
tend to agree with that.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I think let's say Kansas and uh.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Bill self retires, all right, so that Kansas job is available,
and then Kentucky who got Molly Wop today by Florida
under Mark Pope. And you're not exactly the guy who's
following the guy because Calipari was kind of ran out.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I ran out of town.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Lay down here. Now, as far as these plays, the
toughest job in the country, honestly is Kentucky. Calip Perry
told me this so after his first year, and this
is when he had Boogey Cousins and John wall right,
So you inherit's a team that he the tournament. They
go to the Elite eight. They got beat by West Virginia. Okay,
Bob Huggins team. So's he's on the air with us

(13:08):
and he's telling I asked him, do you believe the
Kentucky job is the toughest one of the county. He goes,
let me tell you a story. So after the tournament ends,
I'm out to dinner with some friends. Somebody walks up
and they weren't rude, you know, they were nice, you know,
so we engaged a little bit. And the last thing
the guy says to me is good luck, coach, and

(13:31):
you can make up for this year. And he's looking
at the guy like, hold on a second, make up
for this year. I took over a program that had
a five hundred record. We get to the elite eight.
He went to the final four to four out of
five years at Kentucky. He got booed out of town
in the last few years. You know that they were

(13:52):
going down to the first the second round of the
tournament with all his one and dons and everything else.
So if you were to asked me those three jobs,
which one I would like the most. Kansas would be
the easiest job. To me, it's close, but I would
say North Carolina is the secondies is Kentucky is the
toughest job in the country. Period. That's all they got.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
So well, you know, who knows what will Stein does
with the football program in the SEC hell.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
I get the scoffing at it, But I tell.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
You're talking about three basketball schools. See, Michigan is one
of those schools that is still football first.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Michigan is everything school.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Well that's how That's how we used to say about UCLA.
I say used to say about UCLA.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
But I mean that I don't mean that to be like,
but I think like there are certain schools like Texas
and Michigan.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I think are the two everything schools. Like more often.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Texas has never won a national championship in basketball? Why
are they ever everything school? It's Michigan at everything school.
You are a football.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
School when you look at the numbers of college.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
But also too like one national championship at Michigan and
basketball consistent Kentucky, North Caro line of Duke right and.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
All those schools don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But I mean, if you want to play.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Like baseball and like serious, like when you look at.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Okay, come on, no, no, come on the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Seriously. In u c l A.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
There's only one school to want more NCAA championships in
the UCLA, and that's Stanford because they're women's programs, just
wipe out everybody.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Right, But Stanford doesn't compete in football and basketball anymore.
I'm saying, like these schools that compete in football and
basketball and also like have the most Olympians, like everything
schools they competed everything and went and everything.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
You know.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I used to MC the U c l A Athletic
Hall of Fame dinner. I did that four years in
a row. And at the beginning, I would I would
start the list of luminaries, you know, I'd start with
uh I don't know, Jackie Robinson and uh Rayferh Johnson.
Then we could get to the Kareem Abdul Jabbar's and stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And like that.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Nobody matches UCLA, Nobody, nobody's mounding in them close, just dominate.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
But I'm telling you what McK cronin is just about
had it. If he doesn't get look at it comes
down to the universities committing to where we are now
in college sports. This is why this is such a
big deal right now with the discussion that's going on
in the White House and everyone else.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Where are we going?

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Who's running the show? The NCA has completely dropped the ball.
They have no they don't have any power anymore.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
They've been just waiting for somebody to clean up the mess.
They need to end this transfer portal.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Remember how it used to be you want to transfer, fine,
you get to sit out a year.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's very evident to me that.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
But you can't go to a different school every single year.
You got to change something to allowed. And by the way,
the one thing was President Trump was involved in this.
He said, by the way, we are going to put
the rules down, and yes, we will get sued. He goes,
you can count on it. We will get sued.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
And you know he's no stranger to litigation.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
But I said, like, the one thing about this is
cloud sports has clearly turned into the wild West, and
just very much like the wild West. Eventually, at a
certain point in time, people started putting up fences because
there has to be some type of regulations.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Even if even if.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
We're gonna all carry our six shooters and have our
horses and guns. We still have to have some level
of regulation involved in this thing, but out of it,
think about it for second two year contracts.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Indiana is the national champion in college football. Did you
ever in your lifetime years ago, ever envision a possibility
of Indiana going sixteen and oh and winning a national
championship in football?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
No? Never would have, ever, never would have.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
How does that make you feel in Indiana?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right now, Aaron Judge up to bat for the United
States and the world.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Watching the Baseball Classic. I've been watching it. This is it.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
You have been the last, the last one.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
I started fully for the first time, I'm sort of
keeping a little bit of an eye on that. But
now I look up and it's you know, star power
all over the place. They see show. Hey, I see
Aaron Judge, I see Bryce harperse Shaw, all these players
that would have said, I really don't have any interest.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
In being part of it. This is a legit tournament.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'm gonna say this, and this comes from a hardcore traditionalist.
I'm buying into the World Baseball Classic.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
We'll talk about more of it in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
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Speaker 2 (19:46):
So, Steve, we'll talk about more World Baseball Classic in
just a minute, but I do want to get your
quick take on this because then we'll take it to
the Saga and then we'll have Martin macdena and do
ten minutes of NBA. But because you labeled yourself, now
I didn't put this one you. I only label you
as the Hall of Famer. You labeled yourself as a
traditionalist when it comes to baseball.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
I am.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So when you see the World Baseball Classic, can you
see you know, some of the players from like, uh,
I'm not even going to play put a place on it, right,
but you see the players taking forever to round the
bases after a home run, or you see, you know,
people doing backflips after the third strike thrown. How do

(20:30):
you the traditionalist feel knowing that there's gonna be no
balls throwing at people's head? The unwritten rules got lost
in the mail on the way to this.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I again, this is very much like the Olympics, Like
what do we see in hockey? We saw fights like
you're not supposed to fight in Olympic hockey, but you're
putting NHL players on the ice. They only know one
brand of hockey, and just because they're playing for their
country and playing under the Olympic flag, they're not going
to change their mindsets. So none of that bothers me.
What's amazing to me about the World Baseball.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
You lose your eyes right now?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I mean, not a big home run hitter, but hit
a home run and started raising the roof as you
cross second base, got the third, had a little dance routine.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
You know, I don't know, could actually hit a home run?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
World Baseball Classic by Macro?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
How about that? What was a seventeen year old kids
throwing pitches there in judge the other day? They didn't
Brazil and heavy pitchers anyway, what's amazing? You know how
spring training used to be for pitchers. They would sort of,
you know, try things out. They really weren't pitching hard.
They're just trying to round themselves into shape. Sometimes they
experiment with some new pitches they wanted to try, and
spring training.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
That goes out the window.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I mean, we're watching, you know, arguably one of the
two best pitchers in baseball, Scubo out there, you know,
along with Paul Skiing's top pitchers in baseball. He's one
hundred mile hour heat. Oh yeah, in spring training. It's March,
early March. I don't think you're supposed to be throwing
that hard early. Well, that's why around it, you know,
it is you you throw a couple innings and then

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you you know, maybe go to four five and you
know how it used to be, is you could round
yourself right.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But when you why they protect the pictures. That's why.
That's why I end up with a seventeen year old
getting Aaron Judge so ground into a double play, Let's
kick it over to Steve de Seger and then we'll
get Mark Mendina after Steve.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Steve.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
Hello, there, we've got USA Baseball in the bottom of
the second it's second World Baseball Classic game of the
tournament playing Great Britain in Houston. Trek Scooble in his
one start for this tournament for the USA, and he
allowed a home run on the first pitch of the night,
and that's why the Americans are down to Great Britain
one nothing. You mentioned Luis Arias with a home run

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for Venezuela. That's on FS one right now. Venezuela five
to one over Israel in the bottom of the fifth,
Israel with just two hits and two airs. The reason
that's on FS one is because there's now a rain
delay in Puerto Rico. Panama is upsetting Puerto Rico. It's
two to one in the bottom of the seventh, but
again in a rain delay and coming up at ten

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Eastern times, South Korea against Chinese Taipei. It'll be tomorrow overseas.
Already earlier, Japan won a battle against rival South Korea
very early this morning our time, eight to six sey
A Suzukia the Cubs with two home runs Shohei o
Tania the Dodgers two hits, two walks, including a solo
home run, three runs scored updating the Americans still down

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one nothing to Great Britain. In the pottom of the
second inning. Will Smith is the catcher for the Americans tonight.
He just hit one deep to write and ex Dodger
trace Thompson leaps and robs a home run over the
wall in right field, My Goodness. In the NBA, Atlanta
has beaten Philadelphia one twenty five, one sixteen. Orlando got

(23:44):
thirty points from Desmond Baine and one at Minnesota one
nineteen to ninety two in progress under a minute to goo.
The Brooklyn Nets have taken the lead at Detroit one
oh seven one oh three. Brooklyn is fifteen and forty
seven this seas and the Pistons are without Kay Cunningham
tonight out with a bruised quad. At men's college basketball,

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dominance at number one Duke Duke leading its rival North
Carolina seventy three fifty six with under three minutes left.
Coming up Auburn at Alabama, later Texas Tech at BYU,
and number two Arizona has the late game eleven pm
Eastern at Colorado. It's the final weekend of the regular season.
In college hoops, Mark had upset number four Yukon sixty

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eight sixty two. Wisconsin won at Purdue Vanderbilt one at Tennessee.
George Mason upset number twenty five Saint Louis. In women's
hoops Conference, Semi's going on number two. Ucla defeated eleventh
ranked Ohio State today seventy two to sixty two, and
in a top ten matchup in the other semi in
the Big Ten, Iowa over Michigan fifty nine. Forty two.

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South Carolina, ranked third in the country, beat number six
LSU eighty three to seventy seven. Among the eleven NHL
games today at Boston, it was a win for the
Bruins three to one against the Cabs. Flyers have just
wanted a shootout at Pittsburgh four to three. The forty
nine Ers gave kicker Eddie Pinero a four year contract
where ten million dollars guaranteed. Dallas placed a restricted tender

(25:13):
on kicker Brandon Aubrey. Green Bay acquired linebacker Zeire Franklin
from the Colts, and the Chargers tonight are re signing
linebacker Khalil Mack.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve the Seger Now back.
Martin White's with Steve Hartman. Let's welcome in.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Mark Medina, NBA insider for Fox Sports Radio, and he
also writes for Essentially Sports. You can catch him on
Twitter at Mark g Underscore Medina Mark, how you doing,
my friend.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
Martin Steve honored to be able to talk hoops with it.
Here should be a fun debate.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
So I gotta ask you because Rich Paul said it first,
Carmelo Anthony said it second, and I have a blind
spot because I really do love watching this guy play.
Anthony Edwards isn't the best player in the NBA, but
those two guys have both set it and I'm having
trouble arguing against it outside of the fact that, like

(26:05):
I'll put it like this, if I'm just watching the game,
I'm like, it's hard for me to find the guy's
a lot better. And you show pr and all of
this and some of the raw numbers and stats. But
in terms of like two way guys in the game,
Anthony Evers to me, he's right there at the top
of the list.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
What do you make of these kind of of.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
The Rich Paul is the guy who like did it,
but I would quantify him more from the hooper side
of things than the analytics side of things. If there
were sides of this debate, where do you land on
this With Anthony Everwards?

Speaker 8 (26:35):
I land on what his coach has said. Chris Finch,
who I don't think shares the same opinion as Carmelo
Anthony and some of the other people you mentioned. He
says he has the potential to be the best two
way player in the league, and so what that means.
He's a great talent, great score, but I think there's
some points of contention here. His defense has improved, but

(26:57):
not consistent as far as how he scores the ball.
Great talent, but there's been some push pull on making
the right basketball play, being a better passer, knowing how
to incorporate his mid range game with the rest of
his skills, with his finishing at a three point shooting.
He's shown all those glimpses of it. But to be

(27:18):
the best player, you got to do that every single game,
and he hasn't reached that level yet.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
All right, let's talk about the Celtics here, Mark, because obviously,
with Jason Tatum back not expected. I mean a lot
of people thought he would have to sit out the
entire year. He was determined to get back in and
he got off to a decent start. But you know,
a lot of people been talking about, you know, Jalen
Brown and is he really the leader of this team?
I sort of laugh at the Cabars. I mean, Look,
they've been teammates forever, so it's not one guy over another.

(27:45):
But just how dynamic is this for the Celtics to
get Tatum back? Can they regain supremacy control of the
East over the Pistons, who obviously have been a great story.
And it's unbelievable to me a team that won fourteen
games two years ago essentially the same roster and they
are having the incredible season that they're having. Bickerstaff doing
a great job. But do you now look as the

(28:06):
Celtics taking control of the East with the return to
Jason Tatum.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
Yes, Steve to the latter point, Yes, I do think
that the Celtics they're now the NBA final favorite out
of the East. I did not think this even as
of two weeks ago for a few reasons. One, I
think you could make a case for the Knicks Pistons
flip a coin, but also that there would be question
marks on how long the integration process would be with

(28:31):
Jason Tatum and the fact that the Selics have been
running on house money. I mean, Jalen Brown deserves to
be in the MVP conversation, but the rest of the
team are role players. But why I'm feeling differently now.
The Celtics have shown that they're very consistent. Jason Tatum
only needs to play a limited role before the playoffs start,
and the expectation is that once the playoffs start he'll

(28:53):
be ready for that ramp up because of this month's
worth the games. And the last part is I have
questions about the in the next With the Pistons, they
are three point shootings, inconsistent. Kate Cunningham is a great player,
but he's also laid some legs against top teams like
the Knicks, Like the Cavaliers and the Knicks themselves. They're
a great team, but they're inconsistent. Their offense isn't as

(29:16):
dynamic as I thought it would be under Mike Brown.
So yeah, all those three teams have more question marks,
But surprisingly, I think the Felics have even fewer question marks,
even with we're turning a pretty good player coming off
an achilles Injrew ten months ago.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Speaking on that Pistons team, the Brooklyn Nets just showed
a graphic biggest franchise comebacks. They trailed by I think
it was twenty five tonight right now, lead by two
with twenty five seconds left in the game.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
The Pistons have.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Not looked good over the last five games or so,
with three real clunkers out of Kay Cunningham. He's not
playing tonight, and I think you see that them struggling
with one of the worst teams, with a team that's
not trying to win basketball games, is having a franchise
record potential comeback. I think that says something about your team.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Yeah, and it's very surprising because Kate cutting him coming
off of last season. The knock on him was, hey,
he's not an effish and shooter. He worked on this offseason,
so he's improved. The other thing is that the turnovers,
that is something he improves here, but the last month
it's calm back up. So as much work as Kate

(30:22):
Cunningham has done and being a more efficient player, I
think he still has more work to do. The other thing,
to your point that they've had a rough stretch. He
usually has really good track record with bounce back performances
and lately not so much. So what does this mean
the playoffs? I think that you know they will go

(30:43):
further than the first round. They could seriously contend. But
if they're going up against the Celtics, they're going up
against the Knicks. I don't think they're going to be
overwhelmed with the moment that clearly they need more experience
to be more consistent through a seventy game series.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Blowing twenty five point leads the Clippers did. I was
watching that game yesterday. That was actually it was funny.
I was I was doing TV last night, Mark, and
you know, if the Clippers had won the game, they
would have been at five hundred for the first time
since November third. Of course, they got off to that
atrocious start this year and they were up twenty and
I'm like, why do I feel like they're not going

(31:21):
to win this game? And you know, on the road
against San Antonio and the Spurs came all the way
back to win. But this is interesting with the you know,
they get rid of Hardham, they get rid of Zubots,
and it looked like a you know, like a mailing
year for the Clippers. And I mean, we got to
give credit where credits due. Kawhi Leonard has had a
phenomenal year for the Clippers this year. We haven't seen

(31:42):
this kind of Kawhi Leonard since I don't know his
Toronto season.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I've been a long time since we've seen this guy?

Speaker 4 (31:49):
What is I think he has like something like twenty
plus games of twenty plus points in a row, so
he's had an amazing year. But where are we with
this Clippers organization right now? You got a obviously a
rich owner, I know you know the league's doing this investigation.
Link is going to affect the owner at all when
you're worth well the ninth richest man on the planet.
But where are you with the Clippers right now? The

(32:12):
moves they make getting Garland, is that going to help
them moving forward? Right now? Could the Clippers ever actually
put themselves in a position to be a legitimate championship contender?

Speaker 8 (32:24):
I don't think so, only because I think they're playing
so far from behind. That six and twenty one start
it was enough for them to overcome to get into
the play in tournament. But see that's the best case
scenario that they have there. They're too good to be
to lose any ground in the play tournament. They're going
to be automatically in. But there's so much fluidity. Does

(32:46):
that mean seven eighth or ninth or tenth place? But
with that, all that is doing is saying themselves up
to you either face the Oklahoma City in the first
round or the Santano Spurs. And as we saw last night,
the Clippers can hang with the I mean, they have
been one of the best teams in basketball in the
latter half of the season. I think the problem is

(33:06):
the Spurs are really good. They got Victor Wambanyama. They
have really good young talent with Dylan Harper and Stefan Castle,
and a good veteran presence with Jiaron Fox and Harrison
Barnes and the Thunder. You know, barring injuries, they've been
pretty good with absorbing some of those. Overlapping how much
shake Giojes Alexander, I think we'll get another MVP vote.

(33:27):
So even though the Clippers are playing their best basketball,
to your point, Kawhi Leonard's been playing his best since
twenty nineteen when he won a championship in Toronto, and
ty Lou is a great coach, and he said it
very adam only a few weeks ago that he feels
good about his chances if he just gets to the
playoffs because of his own track record as well as
the teams. I just think the Thunder and the Spurs

(33:50):
are just way too much better than the rest of
the field. That it's going to be a good effort,
but it's almost going to be feudal.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, Mark Medinaz ever feudal with you, buddy. Thanks for
coming on on the show as the as the Pistons
make a terrible list, the largest comeback with the franchise
history for this.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Wow, that's three straight losses for the Piston.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Mark Madeina has never lost three times in a row.
Thanks for coming on, Mark. We'll talk to you soon, Martin.

Speaker 8 (34:14):
Steve appreciation, Steve, many congrats for your broadcast award a
few weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Yeah, the Hall of Fame thing. It was great to
be hanging out with Jim Hill that day. And I
can tell you this as a man that was with
Jim for twelve years on Sports Central. That was my
ticket to the Hall of Fame. It's no question. So
your day's coming, Mark, I promise you.

Speaker 8 (34:34):
I don't know if I could follow on your footsteps,
you know what we should at least try exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Mine was a miracle run, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Coming up next, we'll play Sports Court. Steve's a Hall
of Famer. His voice carries weight, so when he says
guilty or not guilty, it means just that much more.
You understand Sports court. He will read his story and
you have to determine who's at fault.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I'm ready, all right.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
We'll get to that coming up next, Martin wife Steve
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Martin wife Steve Hartman comes to you live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios montste Belanos with the day off.
I tell you this, the Detroit Piston's definitely guilty of
wilting down the stretch as they've had three colunkers in
a row. Who else is guilty and I'm guilty? We'll
find out right now, Let's play Sports.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Courd since he's wrong Sports Sports Court.

Speaker 9 (35:34):
All right, it's been a while since you played this one, Steve.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah see, and I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (35:38):
Just for a refresher here and for the listeners as well.

Speaker 10 (35:40):
I've got a list of people from around the world
of sports that I'm gonna present to you, guys the jury,
and you're gonna tell me whether they are guilty or.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
Not guilty of what the ramow is.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
All right?

Speaker 10 (35:48):
First up, Brian Kelly Stance cubes So, former LSU football
coach Brian Kelly interviewed on Serious XM College Football Radio
this week, and during that appearance, he shared that ls
YOU is now spending north of forty million dollars on
their roster break make twenty six and Wayne Kepvin now
at the Helm compared.

Speaker 9 (36:06):
To the eighteen million last season with him in charge.

Speaker 10 (36:09):
Whether it's true or not, it comes off as a
little salty coming from Kelly himself.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
So what do you guys think? Brian Kelly, guilty or
not guilty?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
At the start parking, I'm gonna go guilty. The Uh,
he's definitely guilty. Quit worrying about what your ex is doing.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
But he did he did this?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
What is this Marvin's room call to Oh yeah that
you know that it's been in double what they used
to spend.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
My ex is looking better and going out more.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
No no, no, no, no no, you lost at LSU.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
No guilty, not guilty. I did not do it.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
First of all, it is about the money you're spending,
is it not?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean what you gotta tell him? Don't sell me.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna say it's not guilty, and I'll
tell you why, because, first of all, I don't think
Brian Kelly's gonna exaggerate on these numbers. The reason they're
spending so much money as they realized they weren't spending
enough money to keep up with the other teams that
were spending more money. So He's like, I would.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Still be there.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
I'd still be there if you had spent forty million
on the roster that I had instead of the cut
rate that I had to put together a roster, especially
in a conference like the SEC, I would still be
the coach. Right, You're making me the scapegoat, when the
bottom line, it was the organization. It was the administration
that went cheap on Brian Kelly and forced him into

(37:30):
a position to get fired. So I say, not guilty,
Brian Kelly.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
All right?

Speaker 9 (37:34):
Next up, Logan Paul stands accused.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
So Internet personality and WWE wrestler Logan Paul has been
jarring back and forth with Tom Brady recently to hype
up their upcoming flag football game, and on his podcast
this week, though Paul took a took it a step further,
saying he wouldn't be surprised if he ends up throwing
hands with Brady on the field of that game. That's
not all though he then said he could beat up
any NFL player, even Miles Garrett. He offered up a

(37:59):
million dollars to any player, current or former who can
beat him up in a fight. So far, one notable
guy who's taking him up on it is Leveon Bell,
former Steelers running back. So Logan Paul guilty or not guilty? Steve,
what do you think.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Logan Paul is guilty of being the greatest self promoter
of all time. The fact that anybody is biting anything
that Logan Paul is involved with right now, or any
of the Paul brothers is absolutely mind blowing to me.
You know, he's a wrestler, right His brother obviously got
knocked cold, so he seems to be out of the mix.
But as far as Logan Paul is concerned, he would

(38:35):
get destroyed by these NFL players, but he knows the payday.
He'll take the beating as long as he puts the
money in the pocket.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I'm going guilty. Put his ass in jail.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Logan Paul is guilty, and Ian Roddy is also guilty.
Because the non notable NFL player that has also accepted
the fight with Logan Paul, Braden Fojoko, somebody I know personally,
and I know for a fact he sent the contract
back to Logan Paul and is waiting for return signature.
So Logan Paul, quit running from your tweets because Bradon

(39:07):
Pajokko will fly anywhere near conn in the United States
and put on.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And lace him up. I know it for a fact.
Quit running. He wants that million whoop You ads too?

Speaker 9 (39:17):
Yeah, former Chargers d Lineman.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
By the way, Pittsburgh's dealers practice squad baby.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I will say this, Logan Paul is a better wrestler
and Jake Paul's a fighter that I will say that's right.
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (39:27):
I don't I don't watch enough wrestling to weigh in
on that. But next time Russell Westbrook stands accused. King's
guard Russell Westbrook lashed out at the media during his
postgame presser after losing to the Pelicans a few days ago,
called him out for reporting things about him and the
team that simply aren't true, going on a long tirade
about it, ending with quote, my ask is that you
respect what we do and we'll respect what you do.

(39:49):
So Russell Westbrook, guilty or not guilty?

Speaker 7 (39:51):
Martin.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
He's guilty for Kevin because you have a platform, use
it instead of be the change is to of being
the complainer. They are gonna write down whatever you say.
Just say whatever you want to say. You want them
to pay attention to a younger player, talk about it.
You want them to talk like no one at Sacramento

(40:12):
right now was thinking. You know what, man, I really
love covering the terrible, the worst team in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
It's fun for everybody. I'm sure that's sarcasm.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Steve, how is Russell Westbrook still playing? And he and
by the way, his numbers on this awful Sacramento team
are pretty decent. Still I would say, yeah, he's guilty.
I mean, Russell Westbrook is one of those guys again,
he just he just steps in it all the time,
can never let his game speak for itself. And so

(40:41):
you know, taking on the media is never ever going
to win for you, ever gonna win for you.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Coming on next, Steve Hartman worked for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
What do you think about the Crosby trade?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
That's right? And where living the dream? Living the dream.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Here on a Saturday evening on Fox Sports Radio, Now, Steve,
just one of my favorite phrases to say, you know,
you put a quarter in the jukebox and hear your
favorite song. You put a quarter in, Steve Hartman, you
can be regaled with stories of the Oakland Raiders from
back when the Raiders had the real commitment to excellence

(41:22):
started by Al Davis.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
You know, Martin, I will say this about my years
with the LA Raiders. You know everyone I always get that, Yeah, yes,
I worked for the LA Raiders.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Hand up my bed.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, because well, Marcus Allen was always asked, you know
how I would I played for the LA Raiders. He
never played for the Oakland Raiders. Howie Long played one
year for the Oakland Raiders or us here with the
LA Raiders, the LA Raiders were unique. We even had
a thirty on thirty on US. I was interviewed and
everything else because it was an opportunity for.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
The raster to go back and watch that.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Now that I know you, I've gona have to go
back and watch the thirty for thirty now that.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
You know who directed it was Ice Here.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I loved straight out of uh yeah, straight out sight
out of l straight out of LA. Yes, you gotta
watch that end. I came the movie. We actually went
to the premiere of that and I was sitting next
to Jim market Steve, so we are a lot of
us were interviewed. They used me like several times, and
I'm sitting next to Jim Plunkett as we're watching this.
They didn't use him once.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
He looks at me, goes, I don't get it. You're
like the pr guy and I'm like the quarterback. I said,
I just had more interesting things to say Jim. The
bottom line is that's why they used me. Ice Key
love me.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Did that fracture your relationship with Jim?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
He was the one guy when I joined the Raiders
in nineteen eighty four. He was the guy because guys
like Howie and Marcus were younger than me. Sure, but
when you know when we had La al Zada, but
Jim Plunkett, we had ray guy. I mean, we had
these legends still playing in the NFL, But the one
guy was most in awe up by far was Plunket.

(42:57):
I mean, Jim Plunkett to me was just like, Wow,
that's freaking Jim Plunket.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Well in the in modern day, yeah, if you talk
to most Raiders, And actually I found this to be fascinating.
Raheem moster running back, who's you know, you know I've
been on six or seven teams. Yeah, he was on
the Herd and said like he said nearly verbatim, like
Nick Bosa is cool, Fred Warner is awesome. The best

(43:23):
player I've ever played with is Max Crosby. And he
played one year in Vegas with Crosby. And you just
see guys talk about Max Crosby and they talk about
him kind of the way that people make the Chuck
Norris jokes or you know, I'm trying to remember the

(43:43):
guy who cut down trees before him, Paul Bunyan jokes
right before him, right, so you had you.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Know, I love your Paul Bunyon reference. Continue. I just
want to hear this. I love that Paul Bunyon.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Don I'm wrong. That's the way they talk about Max.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I watched a beat report of I Note today UH
doing a hit for Baltimore saying that this is your
favorite player's favorite player, like Max Crosby, just his respect
and the level of respect he has around the league
going to a place like Baltimore. Baltimore giving up two
first round picks first time in thirty one years of existence.
For the Baltimore Ravens, they are trading their first round

(44:19):
pick in that way, like in this like for a
player of like what the Rams do, like by the.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Way, your fourteenth pick in the draft. So, Steve, Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
My initial take was, all right, I understand in a
vacuum trading Max Crosby. But this is the same regime
that extended Max Crosby just seventeen games ago.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Okay, first of all, I think, on the surface, the
way I look at it, Martin, this is a great
trade for both these teams. And I'll say this the Raiders,
Max Crosby is like a luxury. The reason Max Crosby
gets so much respect is he plays on bad teams
year after year after year, and this guy's running his
engine runs one hundred percent all the time. Sure, you

(45:03):
know it's not easy when you're on bad teams and
you're out of the playoffs every year to really get
fired up to play at an a level every single game,
every single play That's who Max Crosby is. He doesn't
have a lot of help. Imagine if he got some
help now, he's not going to get a lot of
help with the Ravens. They desperately need somebody to get

(45:24):
to the quarterback. That's why their defense has been so
bad the last couple of years. So he's going to
be very welcome, and I think it's a good trade
for the Ravens. But as far as the Raiders are concerned,
they need more. A guy like Max Crosby is a
luxury to them. They have so many holes to fill
that now, with the first pick in the draft, which
obviously they're gonna use on Mendoza, and the fourteenth pick
in the draft, which will obviously get a quality player

(45:46):
if they draft right, you got to start putting the
pieces together. You just to get two number ones. By
the way I was told, Dallas offered a first and second.
Cowboys desperately need a pass rusher a Max Krosby. He's
caliber as well, but they weren't gonna get off of
one into two, and the Ravens jumped in with two
number ones, and that's why the deal was done. But honestly,

(46:07):
I think it's a great deal for the Raiders because
they need help. They need to start, you know, hopefully
drafting well for the Raiders and putting some pieces together.
But for the Ravens getting themselves a superstar talent. And
I say that because again, this guy plays hard every
single play.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I just don't understand. I agree with the raven side
of things. I think especially too, like I equate great
pass rushers like great closers in baseball. They only matter
if you have the lead. Right, They only truly can
matter if you have the lead. They didn't take anything
away from the ability of a Miles Garrett or or

(46:49):
Michael Parsons or Max Crosby. Takes nothing away from the ability,
but their impact is most felt.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
When you have a lead, just like a closer.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Right, If you put the closer in and a we
got well, you know, we gotta get him some work.
We're down seven in the eighth, then we got to
get it to work. His stuff is still nasty. It
just doesn't matter, right. So that's why I look at
great pass rushers. So you add Max Crosby to a
Ravens team that, while missing the playoffs last year, still
has kind of Super Bowl or bust aspirations despite first

(47:19):
year head coach and and all that. That organization is
kind of still streamlined in the same way that it's
always been.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
But on the Raider side of things.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Last year was an utter and abject disaster, and I
don't understand like you, the Raiders have a ton of holes.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I am not sold as much as everybody else that
Fernando Mendoza is a plug and play day one, walk
in the doorstarter and is just taking over NFL on that.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
I don't think he is on He could be on
any team.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Like, okay, slow down, slow down. All right, so you're Michigan.
You're showing your Michigan loyalty here. No no, you don't
think that Mendoza has talent?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
No no, no, no, no, no no. First of all,
way a second, there's a.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Why there's a Grand Canyon sized gap between Mendoza not
having talent and Mendoza being able to walk in day
one and impact winning in a major way.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Well, I don't think anybody expects him to go out
and make them an eleven win team year one. Not
that team. But he does have pieces. You got arguably
the best tight end talent in the league in Bowers.
I still believe in Ashton genty if he can get
a little support in the passing game. Should you know
everyone was stacked in the Box. I'm a big gente guy.
I think he can still be a big time running

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back in this league. The thing that just impressed me
about Mendoza is his work ethic and his mental attuity.
I mean, this guy is very smart, and if he
gets the right coaching, I think that he could be
yes a savior for the Raider organization.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
No, I don't, but I look at him, I don't
think that. To me.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Of the last few quarterback classes, the one the number
one that has quote unquote been generational, it was Caleb Williams.
That is umb like, that's the guy who I look, well,
i feel like I have the golden ticket when I'm
walking up to the draft uh podium.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Fifty eight percent completion percentage this year.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I'm talking about when I'm coming and when I'm walking
into the draft day, like, that's the only one I've
felt that way. Now, that doesn't mean that guys can't
have success. Obviously, Rookie year Jayden Daniels went to the
NFC Championship Game, second year Drake May went to the
Super Bowl. But so I'm not saying that Fernando Mendoza
can't is just automatically going.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
To struggle right.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
But if you had asked me, do I think that
Jayden Daniels is gonna have a winning record in his
rookie year, I said, hell no, ends up going to
the NFC Championship Game.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Which is the thing.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
That I question on the Raider side of things, is
if you're drafting a rookie quarterback with the number one
overall pick, who you seem to with the release of
Geno Smith, you seem to be walking in to be
your starting quarterback day one.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
You do have a ton of holes.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
But also like Patrick Mahomes is coming off of injury,
Bo Nicks broke his foot in the second and last
game of the year, right, and the Chargers offensive line,
who knows, they seem to have injuries every single year.
At what point are you going to start winning? Because
so far, through seventeen games, it's been a complete disaster.
So at what point do you start? Like the Patriots

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had won four games the past two seasons before going
to the Super Bowl, the Commanders had the second they
had earned the Jaydon Daniels pick before picking him and
going to the NFC Championship Game.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
So it's like this works the first happens every single year,
and most of the time what happens is you get
that quarterback or that head coach. Combo, when you're Vegas,
you just hired your new head coach, You're about to
pick your quarterback.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Isn't winning time now?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Okay, So let's go back to nineteen seventy nine. All right,
a long time NFL assistant coach by the name of
Bill Walsh finally gets an opportunity to be a head
coach in the NFL, and in the third round of
that draft his year he gets hired, they take Notre
Dame's Joe Montana, who nobody looked at as some guy
that's going to be any superstar in the NFL. But

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what Walsh was able to do from day one with
Joe Montana is create, well, the guy that would become
Joe Montana and within three years took a complete losing
for organization and won a Super Bowl. I could see
a very similar situation with Clint Kubiak and for Nana Mendoza.
I think that that Kubiak look at his father is

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a super Bowl winning coach. I think at Kubiak, even
though he was only coordinator of the one year in Seattle.
Obviously some of it. You know where he impressed me
is in that NFC Championship game because he got his
quarterback Sam Darno. Will played the best game of his
life that day because they couldn't stop Matthew Stafford. I mean,
here's a funny bag. You know that people like to

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talk about the Drake may comparisons to Matthew s for MVP.
There's no comparison. Matthew Stafford was the MVP and he
showed it against Seattle. But the bottom line is is
that you have an opportunity with a first time coach
head coach in Kubiak with Mendoza to put it together.
I think they can do it, and I think that
because they're both starting fresh together, it's going to make

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a huge difference, just like you did with Bill Walsh
and Joe Montana back in nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
The only difference with that is is that first of all,
Klink Kubiak, I don't know if he'll be Bill Walsh,
but I'd say I'll leave that aside. You're spending one
to one on Mendoza, whereas you're spending the third round
pick on Joe Montana.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
But it's still the dynamic between a coach and a quarterback, right,
isn't We talk about this all the time.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I get that, I'm not saying not taking nothing away
from that, But when you are walking to the podium
with that number one pick, even honestly, the first five
to ten picks of the NFL Draft, you're walking are
gonna say like this. You should feel like you're walking
to the podium to get a guy that is going
to change your fortune.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
And I believe they are, because again, here's the thing
about it.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
You don't know that about the third round pick. You
think I should get a guy I who can play?

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Well? No, they well.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Obviously Walsh had an idea of what he wanted to
do in the West Coast offense, and he looked at
a quarterback that he thought could execute him within a
couple of years. He was. The thing about Mendoza that
I think is going to work for him on a
bad team, which the Raiders still are as they put
the pieces together, is the fact that he's had so
much diversity in his own football career. He was a

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zero recruit. He basically lost a whole year of high
school football with COVID and then no one recruited and
he's going to go to the Ivy League. He ends
up finally getting an offerer to go to Berkeley. By
the way, graduates Berkeley in three years.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
He was a grad.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Student in the end of this last year. So he's
super smart. I think he will be able to deal
with the Bumpson bruises that he's going to get. He's
going to get beat up. It could be a long
rookie season, but he will survive. Just remember Peyton Manning
through two twenty eight picks is rakie year. He survived
quite nicely. I think Mendoza will do the same. I
think the Raiders their eighties there eighties a commitment to excellence.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
That's how Al Davis impersonation.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
You know, you know I worked there. This is a
true story. I worked a full year for the Raiders
before he actually said my name. And I was in
the office one day and I was I would almost
ignore him because you know, it just seemed like he.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Didn't even know that regardless.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
And then he walked by. I saw him, and then
I sort of looked away, and then he stepped back.
He looked right at me and goes how's it gone, Steve,
I almost fell over. I wish everyone could have the
chance that I had to actually worry. And this is
when he was, you know, not the crypt keeper at

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the end of his life. Sure, this was him in
his prime, in his fifties. That experience. You would have
fit in quite nicely, Martin wou fitting nicely, do you
know what, Steve?

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Thanks?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Yeah, you could have. You could have been a Rata. Yeah, yeah,
you could have been a Rata.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
They were always one of my favorite teams.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Like when I was a kid growing up, I was
that that Super Bowl run.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I always liked the Raiders. I like the believe it
or not.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
As a kid growing up, I was a Saints fan
obviously being born in New Orleans. Sure, and I never
root it for any other team in the NFC because
invariably they we saw them more often in the Saints
loss to everybody. My other two teams that I liked
were the Raiders and the Jets. So it's just it's
something about Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
It really is amazing. When I got hired in nineteen
eighty four, there were seven of us in the total
front office of the Raiders, seven people. We had a receptionist,
two secretaries, seven people in the front office. Upstairs, we
had a guy named Ron Wolf running our personnel department,
and mister Davis was upstairs. That's how we were in LA.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
That's how many they got in Cincinnati still to this day.
Coming up next, we'll talk about the other trade that
has happened in the NFL. I think that people have
gotten this thing all wrong. Is Steve one of those people?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
We'll find out?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Coming up next, Martin wife Steve Hartman, Fox Sports Radio.
It's fitting that you would play god Dog. What's the
name of this song?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Mary? All time rock and roll? This is one of
those you know the song business.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But I know the song, can sing it, but I'm
not exactly sure what the title is. As I explained it,
because about an hour ago, off the air, Steve Hartman
went on a full commercial blake, a full commercial break, soliloquy,
lamb basting the rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Yes, carry, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Well?

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I mean, look at I mean there are great talents,
but should Mariah Carey be in the rock and Roll
Hall Hall of Fame? Is that rock and roll is
Whinny Houston? Rock and roll is Dolly Parton? Rock and roll.
I'm picking on some of the ladies right now, but
I mean, is hip hop rock and roll? I mean,
I don't know rock and roll? Right, isn't that different

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from other genres of music. I don't hate though.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
It's not a terrible take, Steve, but I do think
that it has turned into a catch all for music.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
I mean, should jay Z be in the same Hall
of Fame as Metallica?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Depends on how far you extrapolated out. I suppose they're
both definitely professional music.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Well, they're Hall of famers in the very specific music.
But should they be included in the same hall of fame, say,
the basketball Hall of Fame? Right, should a women's basketball
coach be in the same Hall of Fame as a
men's basketball coach?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
When the Basketball Hall of Fame is such a such a.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Smorgas board of just they have high school coaches in
the Basketball.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
High school found out watching TV metal. Luck Lemon is
in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
He is as a contributor. They put a number of
they put teams in the Hall of Fame. They put
the nineteen sixty six Texas Texas Western team in the
Hall of Fame. How about this. There was a year
the year that Phil Jackson went into the Hall of Fame.
There were no players picked that year, there were only coaches.
Can you imagine if you had a year with the
Baseball Hall of Fame when they only put managers in,

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where you had a pro football Hall of Fame where
they only put coaches in. They actually had a year
the year that Phil Jackson, Roy Williams was put in
they had some couple of international coaches where they had
no players picked. There's almost as many coaches in the
basketball Hall of Fame as our players in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
See what the the Basketball Hall of Fame needs to
do with Deion Sanders has suggested for years the NFL
Hall of Fame needs to do, which is differentiate, separate,
make a little bit of difference between who.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I want to I want to throw this out there
because I did this off air with you, all right,
I just want to throw it out there. So there's
no such thing as the NBA Hall of Fame. But
to people, when people say he's elected to the NBA
Hall of Fame, there is no NBA Hall of Fame.
There's Nae Smith Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I want Steve Disager's opinion on this after, because after
Steve runs through this, I want I want.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
All right, So here, so I'm I'm going to say
I have a ten man class for the first class
for the NBA Hall of Fame n b A, So
I go pioneers. So here are my first ten inductees
into the brand new Steve Hartman sanctioned NBA Hall of Fame.

(59:47):
The two earliest big stars of the NBA were George
Mike and and Bob Coosey. They're in Bill Russell and
Will Chamberlain, Jerry West and Oscar Robertson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar,
Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Mike Jordan. Those are my
first ten inductees into the new NBA Hall of Fame.
And I know Wheretler's doctor ja, I mean, where's Kobe

(01:00:09):
all the hey? After that you have five man classes.
Eventually you catch up, you know, with some of the
big games over many years. But I would do a
ten man class. I just gave you, and then every
year after that, five man class, five man class, five
man class. By the way, coaches contributors are being completely separate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Now players only players only one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Hundred percent agree with your second point of coaches and
contributor that they should not all be looped in together.
But let's check it over to Steve the Sager because
I would love to get its opinion on that, and
the and the scoreboard in the world.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
That went quickly. So you're saying later for Tim Duncan,
Lebron James, Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Correct, So I'm going pioneer since the first It's like
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You had Elvis,
you had the Everly Brothers, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Baseball started with Ty Cobbs exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
So the first ten again, I got Mike and KU's Wilt, Russell, West,
Oscar Kareem, Bird, Magic and Jordan.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
Can I just say out loud the name Wilt Chamberlain
because I hear too many people this is the year
twenty twenty six. People. I realize it was a while ago,
but if you start having a discussion about the all
time of anything, you better know people in the past
or else stop talking. I have heard too many people
talk about the top ten basketball players of all time

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and never mentioned the name Wilt Chamberlain, which is astoundingly bad. Again,
if he doesn't come to your mind, you probably shouldn't
be having that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Well, and as Steve you like, I know Wilt and
saw willed. And so my point is this when people say, well,
he was so much bigger than everyone or this, that
and everything else, with his level of athleticism at his size,
he would even be more dominant. Now you don't think
he would take a part a guy like Jokic, Are

(01:02:00):
you kidding?

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
Maybe the wholes throw out the baby with the bathwater
argument usually doesn't work for anything, and people try and
get away with it, such as you know it's what
two inches larger to steal second base. Now, if it
was so easy for show Hey to steal fifty base
as a cup, why didn't everybody steal fifty base? Because
it's not easy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
It's not easy.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
Will average thirty points a game? Anybody else?

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Yeah, he has Jordan fifty points a game for an
entire year. But you know what's even more remarkable. Two
of his stats that year he averaged fifty points a game.
You know, they played an eighty game schedule. Then he
played the full game in seventy nine of the eighty
games he actually averaged forty eight and a half minutes
a game for an entire season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
That you want to talk about. I know that I
think SGA broke a record recently with most twenty point
games in a row or something like that, where over
one hundred. Right, there will never be ever in the
history of the NBA ever somebody who breaks that minute
played record for a season.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Like that average minute play Zo point five. That was
his average minute.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
He only had one game he missed eight minutes the
entire year. Issue, never filed out of a single game
in his entire fourteen year career. Never once did he
fell out of a game.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
If the Stars averaged thirty eight minutes a game for
the season, that is.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I always said this about Iverson averaged forty one minutes
a game for his career. That little guy, phenomenal talent.

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
That was one of the great runs to the finals
that I have seen with one guy Willing And we've
talked about like Lebron in the early days, and you're
talking about a guy that's what six feet on hundred
fifty exactly, He's not Lebron's size and still got shilly
to the phenomenally. By the way, as far as this
year's Basketball Hall of Fame Springfield, Massachusetts, and I agree
with your discussion about maybe something different. It's not the

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fault of the Basketball Hall of Fame. They are on
the Hall of Fame for the sport of basketball. Therefore,
all of these other peoples, including from Europe or women's hoops.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
All of it in high school. There are four part
of Basketbach is in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 (01:04:03):
Who only coached Mark Few Gonzaga. Is that for the
basketball Calvin Sampson up this year? And I believe Doc
Rivers is up this year.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yes, and you know what else, says Dick Mada.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Yes, the Lake Washington and all always it is final
four weekend. We'll rEFInd out where. I think it's twenty
one finalists.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
It's the Jerry Colangel Hall of Fame. He has all
the votes one man.

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
After what he did for USA basketball, I give it
to him. Whatever you win, he's got it great.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
He has total control of the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 (01:04:35):
We have an update from the World Baseball Classic in Houston.
The Americans were getting shut out by Great Britain won
nothing in the fifth inning. The US had won its
tournament opener last night against Brazil. Had Trek Scoobel from
Detroit on the mound tonight, his one start for the
US in this tourney. He allowed a home run on
the first pitch and then three innings, five strikeouts, no walks,

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but the US was getting shut out until Kyle Schwarber
has just homered and the lead is now three to
one US over Great Britain in the bottom of the
fifth inning, going for the upset. Panama is leading on
FS one at Puerto Rico. It's two to one. Puerto
Rico has two outs, bases loaded. Bottom of the ninth.
Venezuela leads ten to two against Israel in the bottom

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of the eighth. You mentioned the name Luisa Riaz earlier
in the show. This is a guy known as a
great hitter, not at all a power hitter. The guy
in recent years won three straight batting titles, but only
once has had even ten home runs in a season. Well,
Luisa Riaz has two home runs for Venezuela. Tonight he

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has three hits, five RBIs in the game, and it
turns out in the World Baseball Classic three years ago
he had a two homer game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
By the way, he had two bombs, Yes, like bombs.
It's like where is that at Major?

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
The great Sarah Langs, the baseball researcher, comes out with
this debts that Louis Rayahs, in his entire major and
minor league career, only has one multi homer game, and
for Venezuela, he now has done it in back to
back tournaments astound the NBA wins for Orlando and Atlanta.
Brooklyn won at Detroit one oh seven to one oh

(01:06:18):
five in a tight game. The nets on free throws
were twenty seven for twenty eight. Brooklyn had trailed by
seventeen points early in the fourth quarter. The Clippers Kawhi
Leonard with twenty points in the first half, Clips lead
sixty four to sixty three at Memphis early in the third.
Among the college basketball games, Duke beat North Carolina, Marquette
upset Yukon, Wisconsin won at Purdue Women's hoops in the

(01:06:42):
Conference SEMIS. Of the Big ten victories for UCLA and Iowa,
South Carolina and Texas each one in Conference SEMIS. In
the SEC NHL, Buffalo won at six straight game. The
forty nine Ers gave kicker Eddie Pinero a four year
contract Joey Logano earned the poll for Sunday's NASCAR race
in Phoenix. Joseph Neugarten took the indiecar event in Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Today. Back to you, thanks, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
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(01:07:26):
So Steve, this is a little bit of chilly season
in the NFL where you see the trades get made
and the proclamations that follow with them. But I I
watched the Bears, you know, all seventeen games last year,
and by the end of the end of the year,
DJ Moore was option number four man. You can kind

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of see that was how things were going. Because first
of all, Colton Lovelin was like, actually, Tyler Warren, move over,
I'm the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Best tighten in this class. Then you had.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Roma Donja who worked out with Caleb prior to and
have the rapports like they're actually like buddies, right right.
Luther Burden's second round pick got a little nicked up
in training camp, but you saw him explode into the
scene down the stretch of the year and too. Honestly,
in that draft class, I was like, are we sure
that Travis Hunter is a better wide receiver than Luther Burden?

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Like I had, you know, I was like, I know
he's a better cornerback, but are we sure he's a
better receiver?

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
So that was how I felt about him at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Then you had Cole Comet, the tried and true guy
who's been there for quite some time, and DJ more
May alleged the team.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
And receiving yards it was like six hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
And I watched this trade go by with Brandon Bean
giving up a second round pick and got back a fifth.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
So let's call it mid round value.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I don't know if you saw that one out of
a lot, but uh, you know so, But if you
want to, if you want to not take away from
getting the fifth as well, so maybe if you want
to call it a third when it's all said and done,
because your agreed second round pick obviously way more valuable
than But like DJ Moore, if DJ Moore is my
wide receiver number one, then I am in the market

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for a wide receiver number one, right Like, if that's
the answer to the question, then I need to be
asking different questions.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Wide receiver is a very tricky position to judge in
my opinion. I mean, you have certain guys that obviously
have big talent, but you don't think Jamar Chase benefit
from having his college quarterback with him, of course, So
you know, really what it comes down to with receivers

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is gaining the trust so the quarterback and getting that connection.
So a lot of times, you know, wide receivers to
sort of fly under the radar suddenly become all pro
talents because for whatever reason, that quarterback finds a connection
with that receiver. You know, Marvin Harrison was a great
college player at Syracuse, but no one could have projected
he was going to be that receiver and you know,

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become one of the dominant receivers of all time with
the Indianapolis Colts because Peyton Manning fell in love with him.
Of course, he has only had Reggie Wayne to throw
to as well, So I don't know DJ Moore has talent.
Is he a one? He could be a one, But
again that's going to come down to how they utilize
him in that offense. You know, we have a J

(01:10:23):
Brown who looked like at number one? Did he not
for the Eagles and then all of a sudden he
wasn't a number one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
See I think that has more to do with the
ability of the quarterback than the ability of the receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Well, I don't know the ability to quarterback. It just
disappeared from one year to the next.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
No would disappeared. Was a two thousand yard rusher.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I think, yes, Saekwon Barkley was the come down player
of the year in the NFL this year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
To come he was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
You know, it was only with a couple of big
games late in the season he finally got his yards
per carry to four yards and carry. Think about it,
based on what he did two years ago. Was there
and he wasn't hurt, So it's like he was the
come down player of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
But I just when I look at the DJ Moore
going to Buffalo and I see the like they Brandon.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Bean, Stephan Diggs was going to have the impact he
had when he went to Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Yeah, but Diggs Diggs is a I mean, I think
the DD Moore is gonna have an impact.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
You didn't think that. I certainly didn't think that Buffalo
got some guy juggernaut when they got Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
And Diggs didn't. I don't think Diggs was a juggernaut
when he was in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Like he was a good he was initially. I think
he had a big part in getting Josh Allen to
develop his as a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
There's no doubt about There's no doubt that Stefan Diggs
made Josh Allen a better quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I agree with that. But like when we are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Never did we say Stephan Diggs is a top five
receiver in this league.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Like he's not. But I'm just saying, like so, I'm
not saying that that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
It didn't take long for New England to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
But that's what we've seen Brandon Bean make these moves
time again, going all the way back to Kelvin Benjamin
when he was a distressed asset for Carolina, he has
picked up distressed wide receiver assets that have gotten guys
that the team no longer wanted, right, That's what the
case for Diggs, that was the case for Dj Moore,

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that was the case for Kelvin Benjamin, and there's one
that was the case for Mary Cooper. Right, he continues
to make this move, and you know what the number
one thing that shows me this, Steve, this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Is how you can whenever your coach gets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Fired in your GM stays remember where everybody is on
game day. Okay, because the GM is up there with
the owner and the coaches down on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
So as that GM is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Sitting there watching Brandon Cooks, who he had shinned a
few weeks prior, drop a ball that ends up being
an interception, he can tell Terry Pagula, you know, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Terry, that was really a catch.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
The refs got that one wrong instead of acknowledging the
fact that, like if maybe if we didn't have a
practice WiDi receiver out here, and I have a ton
of back for Brandon Cooks in his career, but he's
death of the back nine. He's on the back two, right,
So I'm not trying to just completely kill the guy,
but like that's why the team didn't go that much

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farther that and Josh Allen turns.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
The ball over time.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Well, now they finally have moved on from their old
coach and they, you know, basically elevated the next guy
from within the organization. I don't know where the Buffalo
Bills are. I was absolutely convinced that last year was
going to be the year for the Bills. It was
a golden opportunity. No Mahomes, no Joe Burrow, no Lamar Jackson.

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The gate was open for Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
The problem is the team's not good, like I mean,
the teams usould certainly phrasey, the team's not great. The
team is good, the quarterback is outstanding, but the team itself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Around the quarterback is not good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
And when you look at the last at least two
Super Bowl winners quarterback whatever you want to say, Like
if you think Sandonno's great, think Jail Hurt's great, whatever,
but you look at those guys, look at the teams
around those guys. Those teams were teams of monstars. Okay,
you know as well as I do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
The New England Patriots everything had to fall in place
for them. Think about it. In four playoff games, they
didn't score twenty points in any of the games. Their
quarterback was sacked twenty one times in four playoff games.
That is not a great team. They had a miracle
season with the easiest schedule that any team had played
with played for since nineteen ninety nine. They took full

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advantage of it. So when you look at the Buffo situation,
the idea of them bouncing back and taking control of
the AFC East is very real. I don't know who
the quarterback is going to be in Miami. Is going
to be Malik Willis, I don't know itch direction they're
going to go at quarterback. I think that is very
real that New England is going to fall back to
be like an eight to nine team, which I think

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is pretty much where they are. That like a nine
to eight, eight to nine type team. Drake May after
his horrific postseason, is going to come back to earth.
He's not going to be able to load up numbers
like he did against a really weak schedule last year.
So Buffalo could be there, and that could be Djaymore.
Maybe he's gonna be, you know, a guy that will
have an impact and get you know, Josh Allen comfortable.

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Josh Allen needs that guy. I'm still a believer in
Josh Allen. Josh Allen to me is a competitor. I
love his competitive spirit. But they're not getting better and
they needed to make some changes. They did, and now
we'll just see if it works.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Coming up next, we'll play in addition of Who you
Got NBA Edition? Steve test that nogging. Let's see what
you got between those two ears. Already, what's to the brain?
All right, he says, I'm ready. Martin Wise, Steve Hartman,
Fox Sports Radio coming to you live for the Fox
Sports Radio studios. Its Martin Wise and Steve Hartman. Let's

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play a little game of who you got?

Speaker 9 (01:15:47):
All right?

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
That's right, it's who you got? Thinking of a player
from around the world of sports. Here it's an NBA edition.
By the way, I'm gonna give you guys clues, got
ten total here. Each one is hopefully going to help
you guys narrow down who this is. Make it a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
Is this active player or is it a I guess
we'll find out.

Speaker 10 (01:16:05):
Okay, one can not be one of the clues, all right,
First clue, this player was drafted in the first round
out of college.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
First rounder.

Speaker 9 (01:16:15):
All right, I will no strikes or anything either.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
I'll guess Anthony Bennett.

Speaker 9 (01:16:19):
Not Anthony Bennett. Huge bust.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I will say.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Michael Thompson, not Michael Thompson.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
All right.

Speaker 10 (01:16:30):
So next clue, He's played for four different teams in
his NBA career, and again I'm not telling you whether
he's active yet.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
More different teams. Know Michael Thompson's kid just had a
hell of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
A catch he did. I've known Trace Thompson since he
was thirteen years old. Great guy, all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Right, four different teams. First rounder has been traded that
many times.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Kevin Durant has been traded more than that, but I'll
go with that's been on more teams than that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
But I'll go with first rounder and four teams.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I got a better guess.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
I will say Chauncey Billups.

Speaker 10 (01:17:06):
Not Chauncey Billups either. I haven't heard a bad guess
yet though, so it's a good start. Third clue, He's
played thirteen seasons and made six All Star Games, five
of which came consecutively.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Five straight All Stars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
And six all Let's see, and so that is not
gonna It means it's not D'Angelo Russell, who have popped
in my brain for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Steve, you got a guess?

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
First I'm gonna say, Blake Griffin, that's a good guess.

Speaker 9 (01:17:39):
Blake Griffin's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Wow, Hell, Steve, that's a good guess. That's a good guess.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
How about it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Well, I knew that Blake Griffin was a sixth time
as soon as it said six time All Star. Then
I was going through my head the remember he latched
on with a couple of teams late. Sure, so, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
The four teams that Blake Griffin played for, I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
I mean, obviously Clippers.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
I hate that you got this so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
So the four teams you played before he played for
the Pistons, I see where he left immediately after leaving
the Clippers, right.

Speaker 9 (01:18:13):
The hardest one is where he ended his career.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
I think that one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Ended his career in Boston, all right, Right, so you
got that one that I know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
We should play for the Brooklyn Nets in between. There
you go.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
So I guess the only reason I said Blake Griffin
he's He's one of the finalists for the Basketball Hall
of Fame this year, so I've been doing a little
research on him recently.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
That should be first ballot.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
But when he said six All Star games, five in
a row, immediately Blake Griffin's name came to my head.

Speaker 9 (01:18:40):
Why that's crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
All right?

Speaker 9 (01:18:43):
Do you guys want to hear the other clues that
I mean, do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
You normally get said on like the third clue?

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
Not when the pool was still that broad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Generally needs to be at least some identifying factor besides
the stats and the.

Speaker 9 (01:18:56):
Right which we would have got to next.

Speaker 10 (01:18:58):
He was he has not one an NBA championship, He
won the NBA Rookie of the Year award, he won
Naysmith College Player.

Speaker 9 (01:19:07):
Of the Year award.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
At that point he would have gotten.

Speaker 9 (01:19:09):
Yeah, that one.

Speaker 10 (01:19:10):
I think at least knowing Steve just your encyclopedia brain, well,
I think that he missed his first NBA season due
to injury, debuting the following year. He played college basketball
at Oklahoma. Ninth clue he famously jumped over the hood
of a car to dunk during the twenty eleven Slam
Dunk Contest. Did he actually cleared the car debatable, which

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is like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
He jumped over more to car than anybody else was
jumping over.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Yes, yeah, I want to be go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
I was just gonna say.

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
The last clue is he's best known for his time
on the Clippers, where he helped establish the Lopsidi era.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
The funniest thing is, for some reason, I don't even
know if the All Stars line up, but I was
thinking of his television teammate now, John wall As that
was going to be my next guest was John wall
through my played like thirteen seasons scenes about right, but
like the four teams with the bounce around, right, because
you have your career one time, one place, and then

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you're kind of in the way of the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
You kind of well, Martin, this is when when you
when you're a stack guy, like a I'm and just
sit there writing type stats all day long, which is
what I do. When you start when you get into
like specific numbers of All Star teams and everything that
those numbers resonate with me. Most people are.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Like, no, honestly, I kind of want to do it again.
I was like, I just want to let's test the machine.
That's what I want to test. What's the most obscure
player you think you could get, Like I bet you
Junior Bridgeman would pop out as these like I know
him more for owning Wendy's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Don't listening to Fox Sports all right, see if I
gotta ask you a question here, because again you put
the quarter in, Steve Harbin, You'll be regaled of stories of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Media long and wide. And I'll tell you what, I
appreciate all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I truly do as a bit in a business that
is rapidly changing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Yes, very much so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
But Steve, just in case somebody just got in the car,
just now, what subject? Ay, what should we be talking
about right now?

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
All right? Subject?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Gay?

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
And I know I'm speaking to the majority of the
listeners out there is always the NFL. That is true,
Always the NFL. I mean you could you, I mean we.
I mean the thing about the NFL is the marketing
is brilliant. We get ready for free agency. I mean
think about this. All these deals that we're talking about
right now, none of them have actually been done yet.

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These are just being floated out there that these are
deals that are going to get done because the official
start of the season hasn't come yet, right, So once
that season comes, then of course, after the free agent
deals are done, because we're still thinking about I mean,
when I say NFL, what's the number one subject matter
when it comes to the NFL quarterback? I mean, people

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could say, gee, I'm really tired of No, you're not.
You never tied a quarterback. I mean, we still have
to say, what's going to happen to two? What's going
to happen to Kyler Murray? Is Kirk Cousins? Who's Minnesota's
cording about? You know all this kind of stuff all day.
Let me ask you that about Minnesota because you know
you're close to the JJ McCarthy situation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
I did experience the JJ McCarthy and.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
And if you remember, I was a proponent. I thought
it was a good select. I'm a JJ McCarthy fan
certainly was a fan of his Michigan because even though
Jim Harbo runs a run first type offense, every time
he needed to make throws, as he did in the
playoff game against Alabama, he made plays. That being said,
the reports out of Minnesota were not kind last year.

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Forget the fact that he can stay healthy. They literally
said they had to throw out half their playbook. He
just wasn't able to execute the plays the offense that
Kevin O'Connell wants to run. So I'm asking you, as
a Michigan loyalist, someone that will always have a special
place in their heart with JJ McCarthy leading Michigan to
a perfect season national championship. Do you think the Minnesota

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should stay their ground with JJ McCarthy hope he can
get a full, healthy season out of this kid, or
should they aggressively explore the possibility of signing a high
price free agent to bring in immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I would not only high price, low price, middle price
free agent. I don't think J McCarthy has it. I've
been on this for the longest time. You could ask
tomorrow when you're in here with VJ, ask him because
VJ and I used to go.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
VJ is still shamelessly. I mean I have a you know,
these texts with him. I mean he's still a believer.
He's making every courses in the world for JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
No, but I'm saying I at the time, so you'll remember,
Jim Harbough and JJ McCarthy were going to the NFL
at the same time, and the way Jim Harboro was
talking about him, I said, if you like JJ McCarthy
so damn much, you should trade for him, trade Johnson
Herbert and go get the number one overall pick.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Because the way you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Him is like he is him, and I, as a
person who watched ninety eight percent of the collegiate snaps
that JJ McCarthy had, I never felt confident when he
dropped back to pass the ball. I never put him
in the same class as if Caleb Williams, or a
Jayden Danis or a Drake May even Michael Pennix at Washington.

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I was shocked when I found out that jaalens they
had a bow Nick. I was shocked. I was shocked
when JJ McCarthy was a first round pick, much less pick,
not the last quarterback taken in the first round. Okay,
I didn't think of the So the point is I
would be getting out of the J. J. McCarthy business
as soon as humanly possible, because I thought it was

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bad business to begin.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
With, all right, So that is my point. And I
used to say this about the New England Patriots center
Belichick and why they were able to sustain success for
so long. One, they played in a very weak division.
That helped. But the other part of it was is
they would cut their law as quick. Whether they were
a high pick or a high price free agent, it
didn't matter. They could see instantly it was not well.

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Give him another chance, give him a couple more years.
That is the road to Loserville. You have to admit
you made a mistake. And that's where the Minnesota Vikings
are right now. With JJ McCarthy, I'm with you. The
thing I like about McCarthy he does walk with swag.
I mean he carries himself like he is God's gift

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to the quarterbacks. He walks like a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
He does. That's the thing with JJ. And you heard
it all through the draft process.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
It's like he's got on top of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Every harries himself like a starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
And I'm not saying that as a pejorative or like
it's it is more used to talk about people who
people feel they don't carry themselves as a starting quarterback.
We more look at it in the opposite direction and
as like Shad or Sanders going through the drafts and
it gets and it could get weird and get a
little rachel and get whatever. But it also more often
than not is like this guy is not paying attention

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to his interviews.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
This guy's not like. This guy seems to be like,
what what do you mean He's late?

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Like you Normally hear it from the other side, like
I would say, another guy who walks like a starting quarterback,
talks like a starting quarterback, gives you the feeling of
a starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
And I'm not comparing the games of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I'm talking about strictly off the field, in front of
the microphone, in front of the reporters, Fernando Mendoza feels
like a starting quarterback. Supposed to feel like y right,
that's what you feel like. It's supposed to look like
JJ McCarthy. It comes from that same cloth of this
is what it feels like, it's supposed to sound like.
This is what it's supposed to taste like. You know
what I mean, That's what that's the thing. But that's

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different than what happens on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
It's not always one hundred percent right, But I trust
the eyeball test. I remember I was in San Diego
when the Chargers are still there and they had a
preseason game against the Cowboys. It was Dak Prescott's first
game as a rookie. He's a fourth round pick, right,
And I said instantly that guy's hat. You could just

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tell he from the first second he walked on the field.
He felt and looked like I belong. I could see
it in Dak Prescott and JJ McCarthy gives that vibe.
But it got to be able to make the throws.
You can't make the throws, and then he makes bonehead
throws that are just inexcusable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
It's just really the reality of.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
It is okay, So what's then?

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
So you turn the page on JJ McCarthy. You know,
Sam Darnold had a superstar year two years ago except
for the last two games, but he had an incredible year. Right,
So if you look at Kirk Cousins, if you look
at Kyler Murray, if you look at a tongue of
Ie Lowe, if you look at I don't know, maybe
maybe you go back after Daniel Jones. Is it one
hundred percent? Daniel Jones is gonna return to the Colts.

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He should with Shane Steichen's but I mean, you know,
I mean he has time with Kevin O'Connell. Maybe we'll
see what happened. Which direction would you go? Because you
can't when you have that receiving corps with Jefferson and Addison,
all these guys hockey, you cannot be twenty ninth in
the league in passing as they were a year ago.

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That is an absolute crime. So which of those quarterbacks
do you think is the right fit? Because Minnesota would
that defense, they get any offense at all, they're right
back eleven twelve win team.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Let's be clear, we are shopping at the used car
a lot. None of these are the right fit, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Not Kirk Cousins, even still, even stause he did play
well at the end of the year in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
It may be a Mercedes, but it's the uthed Mercedes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
But it is a guy who had good success in
this offense, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
But also so good of success they were willing to
move off of him, you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Well, but again I think Atlanta just blindsided him. I
don't think. I don't think the Vikings really thought there
was a threat that somebody was going to put that
kind of money on the table, and then Atlanta drafts
Panix at the same time. Made no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Well, you know, all those guys are now sitting on
the couch like you and me. But when it comes
to Minnesota, I saw today that Kyler Murray is a
prohibitive favorite, like in the betting markets to join the team.
Like if I'm looking for again, none of these guys
are the answer, right. If they were the answer, they
would be where they were, They would stay where they're at,

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right because the teams that have them would keep them
overwhelmingly so that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
They felt like that was the case.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
You're looking for the best, you know, the best piece
right here, but this is definitely like you're filling in
from a different puzzle, trying like you gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Trust willis no, I mean and Greed. His numbers the
last two years backing up in Green Bay are off
the charts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
But I also think that like I am not of
the belief about Jordan Love that I'll think is of
commonly held perception that this Jordan Love is a top
like the Drive winning I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
I I don't think Jordan Love is in that elite class.
And I think he's got Elix picks in his last
two playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
He's got elite traits, he's got a rifle for an
arm he's got, but his footwork is off to me,
and he seems like and I don't know if this
is a La Floor thing or a Jordan Love thing.
That team never can get three yards when they need it.
It is always it's either we're going to go over
the top for forty or you know they put there's
your five yard out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
There are more interesting division than that NFC North right now,
So hold.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
On your bounce. We're not too fast, man. I'm trying
to hang on here because I think this. I think
Kyler Murray, while uh, while flawed, can win you games,
especially in a scenario in which you are putting that
great defense behind him. It's got to be built around him,
but he can win you games. But right now, I
think if I were ranking quarterbacks, I would like Kyler

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Murray is going to be on the league minimum because
of the way they did that money. He'd be number
one with a bullet And I don't know how far
down the list I get before I get to Gino Smith.
I truly don't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Okay, I'm glad you mentioned Gino Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Because that's why I wanted to get because he was
he was the fall guy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
Look at hiring Chip Kelly as your offensive coordinator was
one of the greatest bonehead moves in the history of
the NFL. Why would you hire Chip Kelly to be
your offensive coordinator?

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
Somebody please explain to me why.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
The way had they didn't have the same I you
did at UCLA. That's that's the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Holy crap. I mean he goes to Ohio State, who
can't win with Ohio State's talent, you know, as an offensive.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
The most telling part about it to me, I feel
like chip Kelly was getting fired, Like chip Kelly was
not going to stay at Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Do you know what? I think Ohio State was good
to upgrading. Then they're like, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
That guy, that guy who just lost a six and
five Michigan because you wouldn't throw the ball with a
quarterback drafted the sixth round.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
That guy was back of the highest fake quarterback in
the NFL. Coordinator all right, so you so?

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
But Gino Smith to me is very serviceable. Still, I agree,
and I like, if I'm looking at all, what do
you do in Miami?

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I don't Again, he just got released yesterday, and I'm
really trying not to just be like, but if the
Raiders all over him, right, I want to give some
ownership to what happened, and Gino Smith did ended with
the Raiders giving fans the middle finger and all tight.
It was not pretty, as it often He's not leaving

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the silver room black.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
However, when you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
If I'm Miami or if I'm Arizona, if I'm one
of these teams that is looking for a bridge, well
I did. I would write back to Geno and say,
would you like to be my bridge for a solid
two year deal?

Speaker 9 (01:32:36):
Even the Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
You know, I didn't want to sell first of all, guys,
let's eliminate the Jets from any conversation. It doesn't matter
who they have a quarterback, they're gonna fail. Okay, I
mean justin fields. Remember the first game of the year, though,
the showdown against the Steelers. He looked really good in
that first game.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Did he not.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
We're like, WHOA, Okay, maybe by the end of the year.
Well do somebody ranked the thirty two starting quarterbacks in
the NFL. Fields was weighted last behind JJ McCarthy, Intruder Sanders.
That's how bad it was.

Speaker 9 (01:33:07):
It's rating him too high.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
I'll say, like, I very very rarely ever feel like
bad for professional athletes, And if I do, it's more like.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
It's really sad that you have that attitude. Right, this
is a really.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Sad like I would hate to have have all this
success in my life and still be worried about this little.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Person Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
But I actually felt sad for Justin Fields last year,
like some of his press conference postgame, like he was like,
really it was there was nothing good going.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
On where he came from high school superstar in the
state of Georgia, goes to Georgia and then weird, you know.
I still was never fully explained something happened where he
was able to transfer at that time. It was before
the transfer portal to Ohio State without having to sit
out a year. Then he has all that success. His
last game at Ohio State was just off the charts.

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It was off the track.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
If I texted an NFL scout at the time, just
now moved up further into to the the front office.
I texted him at the time, so what am I
missing because I'm looking at Trevor Lawrence, I'm looking at
Justin Fields. Are you sure that the blond haired kid
is the better one? And he texted me back and
he's like, I'm not sure. I'm lucky. He's like, legitimately

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watched that game again. He legitimately said, I'm happy. I
don't I'm happy we're not having to make this decision,
Like you know that the team that he was on
at the time was not having to make the decision
between Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence. That's how like good
at Ohio State, Justin Fields was What.

Speaker 9 (01:34:38):
Are you saying that, like he got failed by teams
in the NFL, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
I mean, the Bears have been a graveyard for quarterbacks.
I mean he's gotten to a lot of graveyards for quarterbacks.
And then the whole dynamic with him and Russell Wilson
in Pittsburgh that was bizarre, to say the least.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
I put it like this, it feels to me that
Justin Fields is a guy I'm not I'm not putting
all of it on situation. However, could he be a
Sam Donald? That's like, not today, not today, not now.
It's been too many times.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
But like when Sara Darna was sitting on the bench
in the Super Bowl with San Francisco, would you ever
have dreamt that he would be hoisting as the starting
quarterback the Lambardi Trophy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
The only reason why I would say I would have
seen Sam Donald as a viable NFL starter is because
of the way Kyle Shanahan was talking about him throughout
that year because I don't think Kyle Shanahan was just
I mean, because there's the thing. Everybody laughed at it
when he said it. But when Shannah had said why
can't this guy be like Steve Young, I don't think
that's something that he says very lightly. And he said

(01:35:41):
that before the start of the season, right, so I'm like,
what are we talking about him?

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
It was a golden opportunity to do exactly what Sam
Darnald did. He cleared his head after the nightmare with
the Jets, after the nightmare in Carolina. He got a
year to just sort of not have to worry about
anything and be a on a winning organization. See see
how not the Jets, You're not the pants, you know,
like how an actual winning organization operates. And took it

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from there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
If you had told me, like, instead of going to
the Jets, Justin Fields was going to Minnesota, right, instead
of making that Jets, he was going to Kevin O'Connell
or Kyle, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, one of those type
of guys, I would have said, I think that guy can.
I would have said, I think that guy can have
success in this league. But honestly, you know what, I'm
interested in seeing you know what. I'll save that for

(01:36:32):
a moment. And Producer Ian, I'll probably need you on
this one because you're the combine addict here. But uh,
this one guy played a ton of college football and
set I won't say set records.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
I'm gonna just set records. I know this.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Yeah, my eyes popped after looking at some of those
combine numbers. Are we underestimating a potential quarterback that could
be a difference maker in the NFL next season.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
We'll discuss next. Coming to you live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
I'm Martin Weis joined here with Steve Hartman Monsey Belanos
with today off. Get to Steve de Seger in about
five minutes and he'll give it to the update on
everything going on around the world of sports. Two of
the NBA's best teams, one of them losing today the
other one and a tight matchup right now late in
the third quarter against the team that is I will say,

(01:37:24):
not one of the best teams in the NBA. But
Steve wanted to ask you this cause I sit at
that update desk and I have now for the last
two years on Saturdays, as you know. And I watched
a lot of college football as a result, and I
wouldn't if I wasn't, but I've seen a lot of
Tailor Green play. Now I saw his combine numbers, and

(01:37:44):
I think Ian's got him, and I know Ian is
the combined guru here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Mister Jets X factor, don't pick up Taylor Greens. You
might ruin him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
But like, I think this guy would be like a
third fourth thrown pick that could when I'm looking at
this class, could be made, could have.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
A pretty big impact in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:38:05):
Well, if you want his numbers, yeah, forty yard dash
he ran a four to three six uh And actually
I should have started with this the fact that he
is six foot six, two hundred and twenty seven pounds.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Okay, slow down, guys, slow down, it's six six too tall.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Okay, did you cross the Asweiler line? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
So Taylor Green is one of those guys again that
shows up at a combine at sixty six, two hundred
and thirty five pounds runs a sub four four four
forty and everyone goes gaga.

Speaker 10 (01:38:36):
Well, you say one of those guys. He's the first
quarterback to do that run run a sub four four for.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
You those guys, can you down that side? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Can you remember highlights from his college career?

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
I actually Okay, So this guy he was at he
was at Nowaseast State, and he was at Arkansas. So
last year at Arkansas he completed sixty point seven percent
of his passes, nineteen touchdowns, eleven picks. In fact, that
Wortty much was all four years, two years starting in

(01:39:09):
a Boise two at Arkansas, he had the same level
of mediocre. There's no increase honestly in his numbers from
his first year as a starter at Boise to his
last year as a starter at Arkansas. So you asked
to ask yourself, why is that? I mean, if this
guy has all these physical gifts, how is it that

(01:39:29):
from a performance level he has stalled? Now, there are exceptions.
If you look at Josh Allen's numbers at Wyoming, there
was no indication that Josh Allen would translate into that
kind of quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:39:43):
Zero.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
But he was a physical specimen like you know, bet Roethlisberger,
big type guy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Like a guy who's six six and runs a.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
Brian Diabel Brian Dabel did a masterful job or transform him.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
But you know, we have a quarterback in Indianapolis that
also had numbers off the charts.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
For combine, but we're not.

Speaker 9 (01:40:04):
No one's taking him top five.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Taking Taylor Green with the fourth overall.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Oh, I don't know. Somebody's gonna fall in a very,
very slim field for quarterbacks. Look, I would say this
about Taylor Green. Is he worth a shot? I'll tell
you what. If I'm sitting there in the fourth round,
let me ask you, who would you take if both
these guys are on the board. Would you take Taylor
Green or would you take Carson.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Beck Taylor Green?

Speaker 9 (01:40:34):
I think I think I'd probably take back.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
I would take Taylor Green. Think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
I mean, I mean, I'm not wild about Carson. But
think about this about Beck. Before last year, when he
was at Georgia, he was already being projected as a
top ten pick in the NFL. Now he's like a
Day three guy, right or late, you know, the third
fourth rounder. And by the way, he goes to Miami,
leads him to the Nation Championship Game. Guy wins a

(01:41:04):
lot of games. So I don't know the thing about
a guy like Taylor Green is he shows up the combine,
blows everybody away with his numbers, and then you have
to go back and watch why why?

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Why is his four years as a starting quarterback to
a boys in Arkansas are almost identical? Like he never
there's no progress in his game, nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
His athleticism to me, jumped off the screen. I was
watching them play. To me, it felt like and again.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Until why isn't that translating into success on it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Maybe it is translated, he says, the kid it's sliding
to be a third round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
And he didn't win anything, almost swore didn't win anything
in college.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Why didn't he win anything in college?

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Because he went to Arkansas in Boise State.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
Boise State was in the playoff a couple of years ago.
You mean he went to Boise State like they're nothing.
He had asking genty when he was at Boise State.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
And I took Ashton Genty the season that we have
never seen from a college running back for that team
to make the play.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Okay, So Taylor Green.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Let's kick it to Steve Aega first hold the other
Steve's turn. All right, Mary, let's kick it over Steve
you Seger.

Speaker 7 (01:42:17):
I hear the music, all right, Steve TMUSA A second, no, no,
this will continue. Team USA was down one nothing to
Great Britain in the fifth inning in Houston at the
World Baseball Classic. This game on Fox TV right now.
The Americans now lead eight to one in the bottom
of the seventh. Kyle Schwarber with a long home run.

(01:42:38):
Is there any of the kind with him? Detroit pitcher
Trek Skooble, in his one start in this tourney, allowed
a home run on the first pitch, then three scoreless innings,
five strikeouts, no walks. Japan early this morning beat South
Korea eight to six. Puerto Rico tonight with two and
the tenth defeated Panama four to three. Venezuela down to
Israel eleven to three, two homers for Luis. In the NBA,

(01:43:01):
Brooklyn was trailing at Detroit by seventeen points early in
the fourth quarter, nets one at one oh seven, one
oh five. Atlanta won at six straight game beating Philadelphia
won twenty five one, sixteen thirty five points for Jalen Johnson.
The Clippers have fallen behind by one at Memphis It's
Grizzlies with under two minutes left. Grizzlies won eighteen one

(01:43:21):
seventeen over the Clippers, who do have twenty six points
in twenty six minutes from Kawhi Leonard. Milwaukee has beaten
Utah and at Oklahoma City to the fourth quarter thunder
ahead of Golden State eighty six eighty three. In college hoops,
number one, Duke beats seventeenth rank North Carolina seventy six
seventy one. Carolina freshman Caleb Wilson is out for the

(01:43:44):
year after thumb surgery. Marquette upset number four Yukon sixty
eight sixty two. Wisconsin won at Purdue Louisville one at
Miami number twenty. Arkansas won in overtime at Missouri. Currently,
Alabama leads rival Auburn eighty three sixteen with about five
and a half minutes to go. In women's hoops, victories
in Conference semis for UCLA and Iowa in the Big Ten,

(01:44:07):
and in the SEC South, Carolina beat LSU again, Texas
over old miss NHL Buffalo won at six straight Tampa
Bay and Boston with victories. The forty nine Ers gave
kicker Eddie Pinero a four year contract. The Chargers re
signed linebacker Khalil Mack. Green Bay acquired linebacker Zaire Franklin
from the Colts, who were one of the teams still

(01:44:28):
above the salary cap to start the weekend. The league's
free agency period begins on Wednesday, teams have to be
under the cap by then. The Eagles gave defensive tackle
Jordan Davis a three year extension. Joey Logano or in
the poll for Sunday's NASCAR race in Phoenix. Joseph Neugarden
won the Indy Car event there in Phoenix. US women's
soccer scored late to win one nothing against Columbia in

(01:44:50):
New Jersey, taking the annual She Believes Tournament, going three
to zero. In the past week, and news that the
New England Revolutions home opener for their MLSC and was postponed.
It was due to be today, but after the historic
winter weather in the Northeast, the harvesting and delivery of
that stadium's new natural grass field was delayed. We're talking

(01:45:12):
about Gillette Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts, so instead the opponent for
next weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Will be the home opener.

Speaker 7 (01:45:18):
I Meanwhile, New York City's MLS team plays at Yankee
Stadium and they won five nothing against Orlando today.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Back to you, Hey, you know a good grass guy, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
They made a good grass guy apparently if you got
if you got the plug on Bermuda, you know you can.

Speaker 7 (01:45:35):
Get you can get it taken care for him a
major league soccer. This is why there's artificial turf in
those types of environments.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
You know, it's emilio when we talk about artificial turf
nowadays of supposed to what they originally termed as artificial.

Speaker 7 (01:45:51):
It was very artificial originally.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Yeah, so this is a true story. My first year
working for the Raiders, we opened the season at the
Astrodome against the Oilers. It was Warren Moon's NFL debut
having come down from Canada.

Speaker 7 (01:46:04):
So before the game, I'm walking on the stadium floor
which was also used for baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
Right, guys, I'm not This is exactly the turf that
they had. It was basically like a pool table cloth
directly on cement. Yes, there was no cushion. It was
cement hard. It was just like a pool table cloth
on cement.

Speaker 7 (01:46:28):
And eventually there was a preseason game after the teams
arrived that was canceled because the field the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
It was Bobby Ross was in the Chargers, so we
got not playing on this, No way, no way.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
I like how the artificial surface is like so bad
most of the time you hear about this, Like that's
why the Steelers got the f in the Yeah player
report cards, because they play every game under the sun
as many games as they can't, Like they had the
high school games and then played at Kyla's game. By Sunday,
there's been sixteen quarters of games played between.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
The two Friday and Saturday, and the field is trash.

Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
San Francisco not a good place for years when it
was Candlestick Park, and they would have to put a
new strip of grass down from goal line to goal
line down the middle in an attempt that was awful.
San Diego, actually, as great a city that is for weather,
had some horrible football fields as the stadium was located
right next to the San Diego River.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Exactly, I mean they you know, I just I mean
not to.

Speaker 7 (01:47:28):
Paint the field green by the late season.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
So I can imagine that the lack of precipitation probably
impacted them.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
But it's amazing, you know, back in then, I you know,
I do this because well I was around.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
That's why.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
I mean, when I like, receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
With these gloves You're in the Hall of Fame. How
do you drop a ball with those gloves on?

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
How do you realize how sticky those gloves are? It's
almost impossible if the ball is thrown to you to
What I watched was receivers go with those gloves on
and the ball goes right to their hands.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Get off the field. What else? Get off the field? Else?

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Steve just really wrinkles up nineteen eighty five, Steve, Like,
what else do you see that happens?

Speaker 7 (01:48:14):
It reminds me of when Jay Leno used to make
his guest appearances on David Letterman. It's like, you know what,
boys you Jay? And then he would get into a rant.
It would be a great bit every time I can
out you should be doing this with Steve Harbin.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
So I'm trying to right now, I'm just like, what
is it now?

Speaker 8 (01:48:29):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
What is it like?

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
If you were to list the top three things and
professional sports of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
That drive you up a wall? What would they be?

Speaker 8 (01:48:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
Load Management's number one? I mean, I mean, let's remember this.
In Michael Jordan's final season as a forty year old
fat guy with the Washington Wizards. He played all eighty
two games. He played all eighty two games. I remember
when load management the first is a load.

Speaker 7 (01:48:58):
Of you know what horrendous that they schedule still the
back to back nights for NBA teams and they will
work it out. So that quote, there's a fill in
the blank injury that causes him to be questionable for Sunday,
but he'll probably play Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
You know me games first, you know me games. John
Stockton missed in his nineteen year NBA CRI. I'm going
to look this up right now. I have to be
accurate with this to answer. So he missed one year,
he missed four fifteen total. Okay, so this is there's
eighty two games in the season. Ready for this, I'm
gonna read this off real quickly. Here played nineteen years

(01:49:37):
all with the Utah Jazz. He played eighty two, eighty two,
eighty two, eighty two, eighty two, eighty two, seventy eight,
eighty two, eighty two.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Eighty two, eighty two, eighty two, eighty two.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
Eighty two, sixty four, fifty when it was a fifty
game season, eighty two, eighty two, eighty two, eighty two.
That's how many games that Stockton played in his nineteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
So I might have there.

Speaker 4 (01:50:01):
Was only two years where even missed a game. So
in seventeen of the nineteen years he played every single game.

Speaker 7 (01:50:12):
Remember, Lakers starter Ac Green played about a thousand games
in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
So load management is a load of you know what,
it's embarrassed.

Speaker 7 (01:50:19):
You're an entertainment product NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
But I will all say this, This idea of you
have to play a minimum number of games to qualify
for NBON, well that's a crop because number two. Well,
here's the point is that if you're legitimately hurt, like
you know, you've got Jokics right now, who has been hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
I don't think he's a load management guy.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
He had an injury, but if he misses like one
more game, he will be not eligible. He's on pace
to be the first player ever to lead the league
in rebounding and assists in the same season, but he
wouldn't be eligible for all NBA. He wouldn't be eligible
for MVP. See that's ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (01:50:59):
Well, they're saying that if you average such and such
in eighty games, it's more impressive than averaging that in sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
The problem is you have the worst commissioner in sports,
Adam Silver.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
This guy has.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
What's second I do have? I do not mind it
for the MVP. I think it's terrible for first team
all NBA. I think the MVP should have some level
of participation.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
All right. Bill Walton in nineteen seventy eight played it
on only fifty eight out of eighty two games. There
was no argument that he was the most valuable player
in the NBA that year because of what he did
with the Portland Trailblazers, so he wouldn't even have been
eligible for the award. And by the way, in those days,
the players actually picked the MVP all the way up
until nineteen eighty. It wasn't the media, it was the players.

(01:51:45):
First twenty five years of the award, the players voted
for the league's MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
All right, Steve was number three up again.

Speaker 7 (01:51:53):
They still charge full prices for NFL preseason games.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Oh place that I mean, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
That's the biggest scammons.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
It has been forever. By the way, when I again
I revert back to my raider is. One of my
many jobs was to be the the announcer inside the
press box.

Speaker 7 (01:52:13):
Oh, yes, so you know the media, the media.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
For the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
And so we were playing a preseason game and I
I'm sitting next to locusl and I said, welcome to
our exhibition game today.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
That's pre season.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
You can hear yelling at me, don't say exhibition preseason.
I go, what's the difference? It means nothing, Nothing means nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:52:39):
Oh, it's a full price game.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
This is no exhibition that I'm trying to think my
I think my biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
The qualls with catches have always been I mean, that's catcher,
not a catch in the NFL if you see it live.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
I have never argued in the backyard whether somebody called
it or not. You know what I mean is that
we should be able to.

Speaker 7 (01:53:02):
Figure out you can't slow it down like the replay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
And that's why I think we did. We could abolish
instant replay like I would be.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
Faked dead at one time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Absolutely fine, if there was no such thing as instant replay.

Speaker 7 (01:53:15):
In all sports. It's needed because we've seen the alternative.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
I realize, especially when it could have won a Rose
Bowl if there had been replayed. Back to Charles White
went over the top clearly fumbled before he got to
the goal line.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Touchdown?

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
Touchdown true dead's.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
And you know to your point, See, this may be
just the ignorance of babes respectively and not having seen
it before, but it's gone so freaking far. I'm watching
the Clippers Spurs last night, and the Clippers are in
the midst of just melting down a loss.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
If the referees would just let them do it, they
gotta look at everything, they gotta review everything. Did eastap
by the bounds? Is his shoe one tied? Is the
person in the front road did they pay four price
of that beer?

Speaker 7 (01:53:56):
Because the last ten seconds can take ten minutes?

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
All right, while we're at it, let's eliminate umpires one
hundred percent. You don't need umpires in baseball. You have
fouls in basketball, you have penalties in football. In baseball,
it's balls, strike, safe, out, fair, foul. All can be
done electronically. You do not need umpires on the field.

Speaker 7 (01:54:15):
You need the equivalent of a chair umpire, like tennis, though,
which got rid of their court umpires.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
For what everything's done electronically.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
What happens if the algorithm goes wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Steve all of a sudden, they start calling things in
this out out that's in.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Somebody's got to be It's amazing. I mean, you watch
a tennis match and they're they're firing one hundred and
thirty mile an hour serves and they go to the
replay and it hit. It hits the line by by
a hair, right.

Speaker 7 (01:54:42):
It's like the replace.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
We're getting questions it no whatever, questions, Okay, there it is.
It hit the line, didn't hit the line the animation.
So why would there be any argument about a strike zone,
an actual real strike zone in baseball calling balls and
strikes standing behind the catcher. You realize originally they called
and strikes with the umpire standing behind the pitcher, which

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actually makes a little more sense behind the catcher, right Like,
because we're watching the game on TV, we watch from
behind the.

Speaker 7 (01:55:10):
Pitcher centerfield caid, that's what we're.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Watching, right How can you tell standing behind a catcher
when the ball actually fired one hundred miles an hour
acrosses the front of home plate.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
I'll say this, I don't know, but I like the
fact that they're there because you know what, I like,
I'm here for a little human error in my sports.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
Well, you're getting plenty of it.

Speaker 7 (01:55:31):
There gets to be too much, like the nineteen eighty
five World Series, which the Cardinals could not close out
in Game six because of an egregious call at first base.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Yeah, sometimes it can't be too much. But coming on next,
Steve hold on, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:55:42):
You've hit a good segment. By the way, this is
going to be repeated at some point, I know he's
not your co host here at eight eastern, but nonetheless
I'll just call in.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Yes, I have I have a I have an opinion
that I think may somebody raised from in football at
the foot of Val Davis may hear it and be like,
as you would.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Do, Look this guy that he was talking about, you
could have been.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
That was my It was me trying to do Steve's
out Davis impression. But uh, coming up next, we'll get
to an inflammatory NFL opinion held by yours, truly influenced
by some of the news of today. Martin wife, Steve Hartman,
Fox Sports Radio Martin wife, Steve Hartman. Keeping the seats
worm for Erintoris and Jason Martin. They will be up

(01:56:27):
shortly top of the hour, Steve de Seger. We'll keep
them close. This Oklahoma City Golden State Game. Uh interesting,
is okay See leads by six?

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Now do you still.

Speaker 4 (01:56:37):
Believe in Okase or do you think San Antono?

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
Which? Which?

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
Which? Were are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
If I had to pick between those two teams, I'm
picking the Spurs at this point, even though.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
I am today, Well, they've matched up well with okay See.
I don't do you. I mean, I feel like Okayse's
almost like sleepwalking through the regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
That may be the case, but Steve, I could ask
you something.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Yes, the Dallas Cowboys today place to a second round
for strict and free agent tender on Brandon Aubrey, who
they want to pay him apparently around seven million dollars
a year. Brandon Aubrey reportedly wants about ten million dollars
a year. May you tell you right now, Steve Hartman,

(01:57:19):
I would pay Brandon Aubrey. I would sign him up
right now at he is thirty years old. I'd offer
Brandon Aubrey a six year, sixty million dollar contract with
twenty five guaranteed up front, and then you ran round

(01:57:40):
out the rest of it, so then by maybe the
maybe the last year is over. But I would give
him the ten million dollars a year. He's looking for
average annual value, all.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
Right, So you can make an argument that he's the
best kicker in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
That's the argument that I would make.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
How much better is he than any other kicker in
the league.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
I think that it is outside of potentially the kid
in Jacksonville, Cam Little, who.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
Well, he has a diffence more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
But that's what I'm saying, Like, if I'm looking around
the league right now, this is the first guy I'm
looking to kick me a game winning field.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
Goal kickers are like golfers. You know, some sustain it
forever throughout their entire careers. Then all of a sudden,
there are those that suddenly lose their swing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Sure, and a lot of times you'll see and it
can happen just like that, and a lot of times
I think it comes with added pressure. Right, you have
a guy who's an amazing kicker in college, then he
becomes a second round pick, and all of a sudden,
you can't make kicks.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Brandon Aubrey to me just feels different.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
I don't know why, Like I am generally with you,
but I've watched this guy win so many games, or
I say win so many games, impact, so many games
for the Cowboys. With the new kickoff rules, where they
are you get a first down and a half, you
are in Brandon Auber's range. I would ten million dollars
for Brandon Aubrey is not I am not blinking twice

(01:59:03):
at that number.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
I'm really not think about this.

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
Last year he scored one hundred and fifty five points,
which is an insane number for a kicker. Right inside
fifty yards. He was twenty five for twenty five. But
what was amazing from fifty plus. He was eleven for
seventeen from fifty plus. And that's what I'm saying, Steve,
Like that is not he did miss one extra.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
Point, but oh goodness, oh God called the children.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
But how about this, how about in his career he's
thirty five of forty four from fifty plus.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
I'm saying, Steve, the guy is a monster. This is
not the end all be all when it comes down
to it. But like, and I know, this is a
silly way to view this type of thing. Brandon Aubrey
was a guy. I paid almost the most for it
my fantasy football auction because I know at.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
The end of it, that's where this this guy's going no.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Because Steve No, He's gonna hit multiple fifty yarders of game.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
See if you just run off you look at they
just they just look at the salary caps up for
three hundred million dollars right now. Can you afford to
pay the best kicker in the league ten million? Yeah?
He probably could, absolutely and it would be not a probably.
The Cowboys they have no defense.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
That's why you better score points. He had one hundred
and fifty five out of the kicker last year. I
mean serious, in the final game at Detroit.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
He know during December he had a game where he
had five field goals, three over fifty plus. They lost
forty four to thirty.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
That's what I'm saying. Defense, But do you want to
get rid of that guy? That guy kept you in
the game. Maybe.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
I mean I'll just say, I just love the fact
you're ending the show talking about an NFL kicker.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
I'm paying the money. I'm paying the money.

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