On a new episode of FOX Football Sunday with Mike Harmon & Greg Cosell, Mike and Greg breakdown all the games last weekend, the biggest factors for Super Bowl LX, and why it is a catastrophe Bill Belichick wasn't inducted into the HOF.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Greetings and welcome in live, locked and loaded for another
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late where we were not waking up and anticipating a
bevy of games, we don't have those storylines to cover
to it. Don't worry, we got plenty of stories. This
week was full of them, some on the field, many
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of them in boardrooms, zoom calls and other things that
need to be discussed. But we're readying for Super Bowl sixty.
Everybody getting ready to descend upon San Francisco for the week,
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That's high praise and fresh off of celebration cupcake, he's
our guy. It's great.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
What's going on about Mikey? What's happening? Can't believe there's
no football today? No, I'm a big college hoops fan,
So that kind of takes you know, I watched a
lot of college hoops yesterday, but yeah, no football today.
I'm fortunate this. I'll be heading out to San Francisco
on Tuesday. I think this will be Super Bowl thirty
three for me. If I if my math is any good,
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that's a pretty good math. I never take that for granted, Mike,
believe me. It's you know, I'm one of those guys
I love when they have a Super Bowl outside because
the flyover every time brings a tear to my eye.
It just that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, it's just it right. There's those certain indelible images
that we have via the communal experience of television. But
in those buildings we talk about being you know, near
the sidelines on the sidelines and the speed of the game,
the crunching, the yelling and all that. But the communal
experience of that flyover, I mean, well, I mean go
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back to you know, the Bears before they exited stage
right where they bring out Jim Cornelissen, and I get it.
For some folks, it's not it's not the thing. For me.
I mean, that's that's my history. The number of ars.
I'd seen that man sing sing the national anthem live.
I'm getting chills and tearing up sitting on my couch
as if I was sitting there in the freezing cold
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with my brothers like I was when I was younger.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Right, No, that that, you know, the flyover. I mean,
I don't know if you've ever been fortunate enough to
be at a Super Bowl live, but when it's outside,
obviously inside they still do it, but it doesn't have
the same impact because when you're outside you can see it,
and it just the whole moment to me is just
one of those that you know, is just so incredibly
special and emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I've been the two uh paid paid my way in
and both were indoor ish because I mean, it's not
technically a dome here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Right, so far right, great stadium, Yeah, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Great seeing several concerts there now and football games. I
mean it's it's a fun experience, fun spot. I mean,
the last time we went went to a Charger game,
I got to say hello to Clancy Brown. I mean
it really it made it for me, right, you know,
the toughest screw to ever walk a turn at Shawshank
and he's mister Crabs on spongebomb, So I mean I
get the full gama of things and a million things
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there in between. And then long long ago, my my
ex mixes Dad, I took him to the Steelers and
the Packers all those years ago at Jerry's Ye, which
was an experience upon experience, plenty of story time for
all of that. I ended up sitting in the Steelers
family section. Now, Oh okay, because of all of the
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icy roads that we're experiencing here and wherever you are.
We just saw an update from Duck, North Carolina on
the Weather Channel where the snow drips were about twice
as high as the place.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
We got lucky here in South Jersey in Philadelphia, because
all week they were, you know, wondering if we're going
to get hit with that. I guess bomb cyclone they
call it. And I'm sure everybody went to Google to
see what a bomb's done. That's it, right, I certainly did.
I mean I didn't know what it was. And we
got lucky though it stayed offshore because I was thinking,
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oh no, I'm flying out Tuesday if we get like ten,
twelve or twenty inches of snow. You know, I may
not be going anywhere on Tuesday, but fortunately we just
have freezing cold weather, you know. But hey, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Just figure out how to de ice those planes. If
you're out and about and you've got to travel, let's
be careful out there. I know a lot of our
media brethren getting ready to descend on San Francisco. Yeah,
it gets a little bit chilly, but it's nothing compared
on to what folks have been dealing with throughout the country.
I'm still fighting with FedEx over a package that shouldn't
have been affected by weather because it didn't go very far,
but it still took five days to get to its
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intended destination. But that's a whole other thing. But yeah,
the remember that Super Bowl in Dallas. They got the
fight day storms, so everything kind of got shut down,
which aboorded me an opportunity, although it was an expensive
one for us to get to that Super Bowl game.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I remember that you couldn't really you were literally driving
on a sheet of ice because they obviously in Dallas,
they don't know how to deal with that because it
never happens, and I mean it was it was scary.
You were because I was actually staying right near the
stadium in Arlington, and I guess the radio row was
in Dallas, which was thirty minutes away, so you know,
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I had to get there and it was brutal. I
mean you were literally driving on a sheet of ice.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah. I just remember day one we lost a cameraman
who went down. He slipped down the ice. He was
he was laid up the rest of the week. So
that was it, all the extra little features of a young,
starry eyed Mikey Harmon suddenly went.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Down the toilet right right, extra cameraman.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So everything we planned with you just go to the
convention center and have some fun.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The do Yeah, yeah, just a quick story one of
the tough ones. See, I was I was directing an
ISO camera at the Super Bowl, I think it was
was it? It was in Miami because Prince was the
halftime Bears Colts, Yes, Bears Colts, that's correct. The the
Rex Grossman, I believe was the Bears quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
That Super Bowl quarterback, Rex Grossman. That's right, that's correct history.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And you know they gave us ponchos, but it was
pouring the whole time, and after a while the ponchos
really didn't do anything. And one of my regrets is
because I was out there literally for two hours before
the game, and then the first half happens and I
just had to get inside. I was just like a
wet rag. So I didn't see Prince, which was one
of my regrets. But you know, I was just like,
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I mean, it was crazy. I just felt like, you know,
came out of the pool, you know, and then I
had to go back after the second half.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's insane, Yeah, I mean, because really we come back
to that Super Bowl. It made Devin Hester a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It gets Manning and Dungee their super Bowl together.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think if I remember Manning through a touchdown of
Reggie Wayne in that game, I remember that, and I
remember Bob sand Is because we isowed him quite a
bit because I was directing the camera and he had
some you know, classic Bob Sanders plays. Obviously, because for
two three years he was a great safety, one.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Of the greatest safeties we've ever seen. When he were
able to duct tape and bandage him together to keep.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, that guy was.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The definition of a human missile. For those that remember
him in Iowa, safety coming into the league, and he
flew around and he threw his body around with well
great disregard, which that.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Is true, and he was not he was short but
not small.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right, yeah, but anyay, we go back to that Super Bowl, right,
it's it's one of the you know, big ones when
we talk about the matchup of Dungee versus Lovey Smith yep.
But it's always remembered for the hester return right off
the jump, because I mean, this is me. I've got,
you know, a little baby in my hands, right, and
they're like, yeah, let's go. We'd done the White Sox
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World Series trip where I was able to get back
to Chicago for one of those games. We had no
money to go try to do a Super Bowl, which
is why I was excited the Bears were making a
run this year. But I'm like, how am I going
to finagle a ticket? How am I gonna do? How
do I sneak into a stadium? All of those kind
of things. But you'll appreciate this. Last night I went
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to a thing here called Americana Fest, so I'm extra
coffee in me celebrating the music of Neil Young sorts
of artists going on stage at the Troubadour.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Neil Young, very eclectic, all different kinds of music.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So just all up and down the road. You got
the guys bringing out the pedals and the fuzz box,
you know, kind of stuff for the muffled sound of
some some singing along, but just a lot of.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Just well, I gotta tell you, I saw Crosby, Stills,
Nash and Young twice in maybe a four year period.
You know, I'm going back twenty years probably and to
this day. Of all the concerts I've been to, I've
been to, you know, a few in my time, I
think the emotional moment was just Neil Young at the
piano with a spotline on him, nothing else doing after
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the gold Rush, which is one of my favorite songs,
and it was just so emotion because it's one of
those kinds of songs.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, I just say, you know, yeah, only love can
break your heart. In the rendition at Southern Man that
was done last night, I not a dry eye in
the house. I mean, no slowed down and big. I
had no appearance from Neil for this one, but one
of those that I got to experience with my seventeen
year old. But you know, before she heads to College.
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We got the last of these Los Angeles things we
need to do. Check off in the Troubadour certainly one
of those. So celebrating all things because each day we
wake up and the goal is one to oho people.
We made it to another one. And Greg's getting ready
to descend on the West Coast for his thirty third
Super Bowl. As he said, look, I cherish sheet and
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every time we get to do these things on Sunday mornings,
and I get a text from my little brother every
Super Bowl sun that can't wait for it next week,
next week, you know, talking about you know, just this
path and the chaos of me being able to talk
with y'all out there wherever you are. Thanks for being
with us as part of the extended family here at
Fox Sports Radio, and looking forward to to chopping up
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the game in earnest next week. We got a lot
of storylines. We'll look back at how we got here
from last week's game. But I remiss Greg, and we
don't need to go into the political nonsense of it
all as to who, what and how and in the
voting process. But Bill Belichick reportedly not getting into the
Hall of Fame, Yeah, became the story of the week,
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and you know, you're a man who loves and knows
the history of this game, from the film perspective, from
the characters of the game, from the coaches that you've
talked to. It's just one of those that for me,
and you know, the process can be condemned as well
as how they're put together, and it becomes an unfortunate
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you have to slight Kenny Anderson, else Greenwood and Roger
Craig in the process of talking about this as you go,
because you've got to pick one over the other the
way they've jumbled these things together. Sure, but the week
that was, I mean when these news broke, what went
through your mind as a guy who's been a student
of this game for so long.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, I think he's a Hall of Famer without question,
and I don't really understand it. I'm sure people have
their reasons. I'm sure they speak about by whatever gate
they're talking about the guys. To me, it's just a
first ballot Hall of Famer. I had the opportunity. This
goes back about twelve thirteen years when I did the
book with Ron Joworski, The Games That Change the Game,
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and one of the chapters was dealt with the Super
Bowl win where they beat the Rams, the greatest show
on turf, and I had an opportunity to speak on
the phone with Bill Belichick, and I you know, I
had He was a key part of the chapter, obviously
because it was their defense versus their AM's offense. So
it got all set up and I'm you know, I'm
thinking to myself, Mike, oh, I hope I can get
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my the four or five questions in that are essential
to the chapter. We ended up talking for two hours
because he just we started talking about just football. He
called me by name after about three minutes, and I thought, oh,
this is a good start, and we just ended up.
I mean, he gave me the whole history of the
two tight Ends and going back to the Detroit Lions
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with Charlie Sanders and David Hill. I mean, because he
just loves talking ball. I mean, he knows the history
of football maybe better than anyone. And because we weren't
talking about game plans or anything, you know, we were
just talking about tactical football and the evolution over years
and years. And it turned out I started to feel
like I was keeping him too long, you know, because
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we ended up talking for two hours. But to me,
he's the first ballot Hall of Famer. You know, I
don't rip people. You know that I don't. That's not
the way I go about my job. I don't rip coaches.
I don't rip people. I don't know who didn't vote
for him. I'm just telling you, in my opinion, he's
a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, just the curiosity of the way they've done this
for folks that have missed some of the arguments or
some of the nuanced to it all. They changed the
voting rules to whereby the three senior candidates. Again, the
aforementioned Ken Anderson MVP played in the Super Bowl three
hundred yard Game and a loss to the forty nine Ers.
Roger Craig, who changed how the running back position evolved.
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He's one of your originators going back to those forty
nine er teams, and that Els Greenwood, who's part of
that Steel Curtain defense and seemingly the last guy who
hasn't gotten into the Hall of Fame here Greg in
terms of that team decorated for all those years.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Sure, I mean the Hall of Fame thing. You know
that's a hard deal. I know that There's been a
lot to talk about Eli Manning. There's been a lot
to talk, you know about a lot of people, you know,
whether they should or shouldn't be Hall of Famers, And
everybody has a different point of view, and that's that's all.
That's all fine. I mean, don't I don't, like I said,
I don't rip people for having a point of view,
you know, and that's always easy to do. But I
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really don't see how Bill Belichick is not a first
ballot Hall of Famer, you know. And I thought Jimmy
Johnson made a great comment, you know, because some people
have said, well he had Tom Brady. Well, first of all,
Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. They developed Tom Brady.
It wasn't as if Tom Brady came in as the
first pick in the draft, and you know, they developed
Tom Brady. But Jimmy Johnson's point was, you know, how
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many coaches in the Hall of Fame had bad quarterbacks.
We all had great quarterbacks. You know, great quarterbacks usually
helped coaches win. I mean that's kind of the way
it works.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, you have your outliers, and folks get
fill in the blank with their favorite of the last
fifty nine super bowls. Sure, but that point on Tom
Brady has to be underscore. You drafted him, you developed him,
you won consistently. And yes, the trying to say, okay,
these outlier seasons on the back end of things where
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your cash strapped and changed because he's no longer there
to help guide it is just silly. Now, how many
coach back from your point, Greg of you know how
many number one picks and first round picks never found
a playoff win, let alone a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, and you know how many coaches that coach for years, okay,
didn't have a bad year or two. I mean, I
don't think that you can say hold that against a coach.
You know, Don Shula didn't you know, go you know,
twelve and four whatever he played, I think at a
time when they were you know, less their games. But
I mean Don Shula didn't win big every single season.
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That happens.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, just kind of a chaotic week that was in
terms of reasons of rationale. To finish the thought, you
had the three players plus Bobcraft and Bill Belichick that
were in the category together to your point about all
of the history. I mean, my favorite things were watching
him when he would do the chalk talk when he
was the new England coach. Still yeah, that weekly bit
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where he played for play and isle it up and
go to the telestrator. A lot of you know, similarity,
and how he'd explain things as you do with us here,
as you break him down and when you joined Colin
and do your matchup show. You know, here's what we saw,
here's what we schemed. Once it's done right, obviously long ago.
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But the other was if you asked him the right
question in a press conference, very generous. I remember plenty
of five minute answers about players and special teams players.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
If you asked him about the opponent, Okay, obviously he's
not going to talk about his team, and he never
did that, and you know, obviously he wasn't mister a
personality when he answered. But if you asked him about
the opponent, I mean, I remember him talking about TJ. Watt.
He literally broke down TJ. Watt for four minutes they
were playing them that week, and so if you asked
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him those kinds of questions, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Now, let me ask you one question about one of
the other three guys I named take me through Ken Anderson.
For those that are unaware, I mean a different time
we've talked to h Yeah, the way the forward pass
has evolved and these completion percentages because you take the
check down, you take the short routes, which they didn't
really do back in Ken Anderson's day. But I mean
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Chris Collinsworth was one of his top receivers five, no question,
one hundred and seven yards in that Super Bowl for
those Yeah, forget he actually played the game once upon
a time.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, it was kind of a different era. I mean
Kenny Anderson in the early eighties, I forget what year,
I believe he completed more than seventy percent of his passes,
which at that time was unheard of. I mean because
in nineteen eighty, because he's a very good friend of mine,
so I know this. I think Ron Jaworski was the
player of the year and completed something like fifty eight
percent of his passes. Obviously, the Eagles went to the
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Super Bowl, but that was considered, you know, really a
high number back then, and Kenny Anderson was up in
the in the over seventy percent. I'm sure he had
other years he was probably well, you know, sixty five
sixty six percent. And this is of course a little
later in his career, but I think he did that
early in his career too. I remember a year or
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two maybe in the early seventies where he did that.
You know, he's a hard guy, you know, Hall of
Fame quarterbacks. This gets into a discussion, Mike of you know,
what is the criteria? I mean, do you? Eli Manning
is the great example. You know, he won two Super Bowls?
Does that? And he was great, obviously great in those
two Super Bowl runs, not just the game itself, but
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the two or three games leading up to that. I mean,
I remember the Super Cold game in Green Bay. I
mean that everybody remembers. I'm sure you do. You know
where I look like. I mean literally Tom Kaughlin's face
looks so red. You know you were scared for him.
But you know, but you know, Eli, besides that, and
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this gets to Ken Anderson as well, Eli, besides that,
I think he had a five hundred record through a
lot of interceptions. But those two super Bowl runs were
incredibly special. Does that supersede you know, his career, which
and again you can't take away the two super Bowl wins.
They're there and they were phenomenal. Obviously Kenny Anderson doesn't
have that. That's hard. I mean I know a lot
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of people that don't think Dan Foutzuwarren Moon should be
in the Hall of Fame. You know. So quarterbacks are
hard because there's so many of them that put up numbers,
and do numbers automatically make a guy a Hall of Famer.
It's a hard question. Yeah, I don't have a vote.
By the way, I don't want people to think I
don't have a vote, So I don't want people to
think I'm you know, I'm backing off. I do not
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have a vote.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, this is also the beautia like with this Hall
of Fame group, and there can be arguments of whether
people should cycle in and out and whatever else. Yeah,
that's beyond that's beyond my purview and what we're talking
about here. But those fifty people are known, who they are,
how they've right. There's a whole other thing as opposed
to some of these other polling electrics. We know who
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has a vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, we
know who has a Heisman vote, but we're talking about
hundreds abound hundreds of people. Sure, you know a small
handful doesn't change the voting. But we get into backlogs,
and you know, quarterbacks also be the fun part of
Is a quarterback win a real thing or is it not?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And that's another great question. I mean, and you know,
sometimes I get calls from from voters because they know
what I do that all I do is watch tape.
And but look, when it comes to let's say, offensive linemen,
certainly interior offensive linemen, I mean, you know, I'm not
going to say I'm an expert on that. I mean,
I got calls about you know, I think Jarry Evans
or you know, I can't speak to that with any
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real intelligence. I mean, you know that you really almost
have to go to offensive line coaches or you know,
who actually are charting these guys on every play, you know.
And I don't know if any Hall of Fame writers
do that. I don't know what they do because I'm
not part of that. But you know, these things are hard.
It's you know, and it's easy to rip people for oh,
this guy should have been in this guy shouldn't have
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been in there. What are you doing? That's easy, but
this is hard. You know, there's a lot of guys
that play football, and there's a lot of guys that
do well. You know, Kenny Anderson's a great example. You know,
I did just pull up as we were talking his
statistics now. And so in nineteen eighty two he completed
seventy point six percent of his passes, which in nineteen
eighty two that would be like somebody completing eighty percent today.
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You know, that's unbelievable for that time. But that season,
believe it or not, the season he completed seventy point
six he only threw twelve touchdowns with nine interceptions. So
it's it's kind of an odd, you know, dichotomy there,
you know, and of course, back then, very few guys
were throwing, you know, until Dan Marino came in, guys
who were not really seemingly throwing for thirty five or
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forty touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Well, it's also, you know, the argument that's been made,
you know, when folks try to go after Troy Aikman
or some of the ers that have been in trin
and it's like, Okay, they didn't need or they didn't
put up gaudy numbers, but did they make the play
when they needed to.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
All of this got a discussion and Aigman's a fascinating
case study because he did not have great numbers in
his career. But the thing is is when they got
to Super Bowls, they changed their off and they came
out throwing. You know, normally they were not necessarily a
throwing offense, although they were more than people think. He
threw a lot in the first half of games and
they'd get a big lead and then they'd give it
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to Emmitt. So Aikman's numbers, you know, he might have
thrown seventeen passes in the first half, completed fourteen for
one hundred and ninety yards and they're up, you know,
twenty one to three, and then in the second half
they give it to Emmitt because they had a great team.
But Aikman, you know, obviously in those three Super Bowls
he was really good. And the playoffs because they threw it,
he was really good in the playoffs. So again, you know,
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that's maybe that's similar to Eli, and maybe people look
at those two, you know, as a good comparison. That's
why it's so hard. I mean, I don't think people
believe that Aikman shouldn't be and I don't think he
was controversial as I recall he was not controversial, was he.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
No, No, not not terribly. But it's just when people
start looking at the numbers that people are putting up
now right right, likewise with wide receivers anything else, it's a.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Great point game in a world of numbers. Now in
the passing game, a lot of guys are gonna have numbers,
that's it. And then then you have to decide does
that make them a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's it? And try to figure out context down distance,
and like you do, let's go to the tape. See,
I just wanted to do my throwback to that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean, I think it's a great discussion for people,
and we probably need to go to break moment. But
I think the great discussion for people is Reggie Wayne
versus Torry Holt, because you know, they both put up
really big numbers. They both you know, played with really
good quarterbacks. They both got to the big game, you know,
and you know, I don't know if either one guy.
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I guess it hasn't been announced.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It hasn't been announced yet. We'll find out at NFL Honors.
You'll be there in the city on the streets of
San Francisco. There you go Carl Malt and Michael Douglas
before we got out of our first break. We'll continue
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Mom, you should have made me learn an instrument. Hey,
welcome back in It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio
Mike Harmon alongside Greg Cosell as we get you towards
the ramp up, just getting started as everybody starts to
descend upon San Francisco Super Bowl sixty. We got the Patriots,
we got the Seattle Seahawks. Much of the oxygen, if
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it wasn't about the Hall of Fame, is on the
history of one Sam Donald. Particularly for me, Greg co Sell,
because during the week I work with Jason Smith, who
is an ardent Jets supporter, and right that it's been
tough for those guys well, and it was a hellish week,
right because Sam Donald's on one side and the Patriots
are on the other, right, right, right, Meanwhile, you've got
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Aaron Glenn firing everybody and Eddy get complete reset.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Again starting all over. You know, I guess say they're
giving him another shot and he's going to start all over.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Full on sisiphus kind of moment. As we go, as
we'll go back into the championship games, let's hit the
rewind to tell us to go back as in your
mind's eye and in your film review of how we
got here, and well, let's go with the aforementioned Sam
Darnold in one of his early strikes back in the
Conference Championship, a.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Third down and three at the Rams thirteen could have
one of the shotgun.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Here comes the four man Rams rush.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Sam steps up, goes back inside Cup, make the catch, touchdown,
say Hawks, the former Ram Super Bowl MVP, now the Seahawks,
and he has another big catch thirteen yards and a touchdown.
This is a guy who's used to making big plays
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at the biggest moments, and there's none bigger than tonight
the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Seahawks now lead again by ten. Some of the delicious
theater with Cooper Cup coming up big in that game.
Four catches thirty six yards, including that touchdown, A guy
that because we got that little side story. Believe all
of it or none of it if you want. Of
how the Rams were evidently trying to say now he's done,
he should be retired, and there he is coming back
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to bite them in these playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, you know that play in particular, that was Donald
and what he's been doing so well of late, and
did it throughout much of the season. He was really
decisive and efficient reading coverage, working through progressions within the
structure and timing of the route concepts. That play was
a great example. A Cup was not the primary receiver,
he may have been the third or fourth option in
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that route concept, and Donald did a great job. The
other thing Donald did really well in that game was
he was so tough in the pocket. I mean he
made throws where he had to sit there get too
late in the down. The touchdown to Bobo was a
great example. He got hit literally just as he finished
his delivery and he could see the player and feel
him coming right at him. I forget who it was.
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It might have been Turner, but I can't remember exactly,
but it was. He played really, really well and he's
he's not turned the ball over in the playoffs, and
he's been really efficient in the past game and you
know he could obviously, you know, I hate this phrase,
but people use it there. Certainly he can make every throw.
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He can drive the ball down the field as well
as any quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And now he's a winner, Greg a winner, Yes, three garatsarge.
What I what I love watching him is, you know,
we have such I don't want to call it exaggerated,
but for the purpose of trying to draw a picture
for the folks, you know, the movement left right in
the pocket. I like that he does little baby steps
with his eyes down the field the whole time. You
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know that supposed to you know, kind of the run
to a spot.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I'm so good you said that, because that is one
of the most overlooked and I believe most important traits
for a quarterback is it's you're talking about pocket movement,
and a lot of quarterbacks they of the pocket, they
move out of the pocket. But pocket movement, and Tom
Brady's talked about this a lot, and obviously he was
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not running anywhere out of the pocket himself, but the
ability to move within you know, a space that's you know,
smaller than a boxing ring, but you get the idea
kind of a can fine space movement where you move,
you keep your eyes down field the term we use,
then you reset your throwing platform. Donald's done that very
very well, and I think that is a really important
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trade for a quarterback in the.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
NFL twenty five and thirty six three forty six and
three for Darnald to absorb three sacks thirty one twenty
seven the final in this game. But it wasn't without
its anxious moments late even though we had a scoreless
fourth quarter. Let's go back to the now famous Matthew
Stafford throw foot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Down Stafford looking throwing it complate.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Seeattle takes over.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Now we can get into the down distance and yep,
you know, when we get into the field, goals and
time on the clock and everything else. But this is
now famous of the botch coverage play. That's what it
goes down. As we'll have Malcolm Butler forever on the
one yard line. Now on the other side, it's the
well we Homer Simpson did it to luck into things
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without intending to.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. There was a lot of
talk after that play that the Seahawks made a mistake
and I guess we don't know for sure, but it was.
It was just an interesting There's so much to this play.
It does get into the whole concept of whether you
go for it on fourth down or you take the
field goal. We can certainly talk about that, because I've
got thoughts on that. But that particular play, the Seahawks
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actually showed a seven man front with what we call
a zero presentation behind it, meaning they were matching up
to the receivers and there'd be no free player, no
free safety. But they ended up rushing three with seven
and what we call match coverage. And what was interesting
on that play is he wanted Williams on the wheel
route out of the backfield, and Love was on that side,
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and he Love looked to me like he was rushing.
He didn't look to me like he was a coverage player.
And Lawrence ended up dropping out and matching Williams and
took away the throw. Now it was talked about, I
know McVeigh felt like they made a mistake in the
coverage and Williams shouldn't have dropped. I can't speak to that.
All I know is Love was on the same side
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and he looked to me like he was rushing. Then
he stopped and tried to get back to Williams. But
to Kyraen Williams, excuse me there, because we've got a
lot of Williams, a lot of Williams, a lot of Williams. Yeah,
but Leonard Williams, if he didn't drop out, that would
have been an easy touchdown. So I don't know who's right,
who's wrong. But Williams, Leonard he dropped out and he
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took away the throw.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, you talk about botch it,
even if you know McDonald and company kind of said,
well that wasn't necessarily designed. That's also still football instincts
of recognizing something as it's developing and maybe changing what
the initial assignment is, which we see, you know, not
that you want guys freelancing right right. It also becomes
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all right, that's one more piece then off the chessboard
for Matthew Stafford to be able to navigate, and he
still tried to press it into coverage in the back
of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Well, it's so funny because that reminds me of a
story I interviewed Rider Stauback years and years ago in
Dallas and he to this day he believes that an
interception he threw that Jack Lambert made in one of
the Super Bowls. He believes to this day that Lambert
made a mistake and was in the wrong place. And
you know, I mean, and then that could well be true.
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Lambert or the Steelers would never say, you know, what
really happened, but Roger Stauback believes that Lambert was in
the wrong place based on the coverage, and he may
well have been, you know, just like on this play,
we don't really know. I looked at that play numerous times,
as you can appreciate, Mike, and you know, it just
looked to me like love who was outside Leonard Williams.
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It looked to me like he was rushing. He did
not have the body positioning and look of a coverage player.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And instead we get the incompletion. Eventually it becomes the
full on scoreless quarter. We get Sean McVeigh with a
lot of questions they're asked thereafter, because look, Matthew Stafford
all preseason was I was told how bad his back was,
and he will be able to play. Now we can
talk about veterans being savvy of staying out of workouts
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as best they can in part of it. But I'll
give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not
He wasn't entering nearer to one hundred percent, but you
know that's now a lost opportunity with a division that's
not going away. We'll go back into the down distance
of fourth down calls that you alluded to. We'll do
that as we continue. We'll also do the Play of
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Coming up next, as we continue at Greg co Cell
where you find Greg find me over at Swollen Dome.
We've got the play of the day and a little
bit more on this epidemic of fourth down calls.
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and the iHeartRadio app. Time to take a time out
from the world of football and go to the play
of the day. Don't worry, we'll get some Pro Bowl
game stuff in later in the league, but for today,
we go back to the NBA. Last night, a.
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a big win over the Mavericks, you got a lot
of belly achin in the postgame over calls that Cooper
Flag who had thirty four points magnificent rookie season continues
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Shngon didn't hit a lot of shots in his thirty
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fourteen bounce, fourteen points, including our play of the day.
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There it is. We will put a bow on the NBA.
We can unwrap it a little later on in the
shows later today here on Fox Sports Radio. But our
business is talking about the wonderful world of the National
Football League, and we're talking about that fourth down call
by Sean McVeigh. And certainly over the course of the
last couple seasons, Greg, we've seen the proliferation expansion of
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what's a makeable fourth down and how you're calling third
down plays, fourth down plays trying to disguise masks things
obvious decision making at times, and then there's those that
you just scratch your head and wonder aloud. In this case, certainly,
first guessing was the all right, you're making a one
point game. Do you trust your defense to stop Sam
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Darnold in this Seattle Juggernaut.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah. It's really a fascinating discussion, and to me, there's
no right or wrong, because you're going to hear different
points of view and they're all valid. I probably subscribe
more to the Bill Parcells theory, which is you keep
your team in the game for as long as possible.
I think there's a significant difference in the way an
offensive play caller would go about calling the game if
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it's now a one point game where a field goal
wins it, because don't forget if the Rams get the
ball back, and I know the Seahawks went on a
long drive, but you don't know that is going to happen.
I think that there's if this, if the Rams get
the ball back, all they have to do and I
don't want to say all, but they get to the
forty yard line. And with the way field goal kickers are,
that's a legitimate field goal attend from fifty seven yards
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kick right. Obviously you want to get a little deeper
than the forty. But the point is there's thirty five
forty yards that you don't have to get if you're
down by one and a field goal wins it. And
I think that impacts the offensive play caller for the Seahawks.
So I'm again, I'm believer. And you know, analytics is
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a fascinating thing, Mike. I mean you've probably talked about
it a lot. Excuse me, but to me, the whole
idea of basing what you do on you know, things
that have happened cumulative effect over a five or ten
year period that has no bearing on that situation in
the moment, I find that intuitively difficult to handle, you know,
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academically so to speak. I don't really understand that.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, well, I mean, down distance game that could be
the same, but the game, right flow, the game's circumstances,
all of that can be different, right, and what you
can dial up and obviously how players respond. Sure see
title game is a much different environment than Week six.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, no question. And it happened in the AFC Championship
game as well, when Sean Payton chose to go for
and he could have gone up by two scores, ten
to nothing in a game where you know it set
up as a defense offensive game for the most part,
you knew snow was coming, that was the forecast. And again,
you know, he he's agonizing over He's probably still agonizing.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh, he's agad a lot of things that he I
think he put his foot in his mouth a few times.
But we'll discuss yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, And that's Sean. I mean, I don't get
into that, but I mean, I'm sure he's agonizing over
the call. And he spoke about the fact that he
had two calls. One one was a run, one was
a pass. He sort of second guessed himself and he
went with the pass call instead of the run call.
But you know, you go up ten to nothing. That
kind of changes the way that Josh McDaniel sees the
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game a little bit because then you know the snow's coming.
So you know, again, I'm not knocking the coaches. I
don't do that. It's just my personal opinion that in
in tight, close games, in playoff games, you got to
take points when they're available.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
That's it, especially when the Weather's cooperated. You've trusted your
team to this point. Instead we get a scoreless fourth
thirty one twenty seven your final the Seattle See Advance.
We talked Cooper Cup, Jackson Smith and Jigba and obviously
the greatness of what Kenneth Walker has done. They get
it done without Zach charbonay as we can take you here.
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It's Fox Football Sunday. He's Greg co sale at Greg
Cosell find me over at Swallow Dome. I'm Mike Carmon.
We will continue. We'll get into that AFC game a
little bit more in earnest, because there's now some questions
in Denver that I want answered. Loving the football Sunday,
I've got action on the pitch, so we got some
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epl so at least have that football. We had some
of the Pro Bowl games. I saw, I'm on ross
Aint Brown jumping off a trampoline. That's right, and then
he caught the ball after he landed on the mat.
It made no sense, but everybody owed it on and
it was exciting. And maybe we'll get into that a
little bit later. On the Pro Bowl games. Kevin Stefansy
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got fired. He got two Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Make it
make sense to be Greg Cosell, make it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
How don't you even look at the Pro Bowl stuff?
I don't even I mean, obviously I heard about, you know,
Joe flackgoing and Shadeer Sanders, but I don't even look
at the Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
You gotta at least give Joe a note, man, come
on your Jersey guy after eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, he was in our building last week. I talked
to him because I've known Joe for years because he's
a South Jersey guy. So but yeah, I don't even
get involved in the Pro Bowl stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
It's just funny because once upon a time, you know,
it was the obviously all pros a whole different level
of measurement, but Pro Bowl selections at least still had
some consideration. Now it's kind of like this is where
we got to. And for Shador Sanders. Look, in the end,
you want people to watch TV. If folks are so
mad about his treatment over the last year, maybe they'll
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support him in these Pro Bowl games. As we go forward, hey,
as we get ready for a big week and obviously
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Fox Football Sunday. Here the bye week pause, Xale. Get
some of your weekend chores done if you can go outside,
because once again I am watching Duck North Carolina. Here
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is where they've got one of their reporters in the
wild here with heavy snow, frigid winds. We've seen the
snow drifts out. Obviously you're there on the East coast.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Greg.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It's been a miserable run this last few weeks. A
lot of school's closed. I note Jeff Schwartz, who's on
the show behind us here countdown to kick offf presented
by bet Engm. He had his kids home from school
pretty much all week.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Well, we have mounds of snow and it's not supposed
to really get above freezing. I mean, at least ten
days out we could have mounds of snow for the
next three months.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You gotta go out and build a couple of snowmen that.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Look, no, no, I'm not going to be doing that past. Fortunately,
I don't have to shovel that because of where I live,
so I didn't have to deal and I wouldn't be
doing that anyway. I was one of those guys Mike
that it was probably, Oh, I don't know. Fifteen to
eighteen years ago. I was out shoveling when I lived
in a different house, and all of a sudden, I
felt something really weird in my heart, you know, because
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that's what they say with shoveling. I dropped a shovel,
went inside and told my wife that's the last time
I'm shoveling snow.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well. I was the old Simpsons Mister Plow episode where
they actually have the the ad when he starts running
the plow service, where he says and the inevitable heart
attacks that come with shoveling snow, Yeah, this is why
you have teenagers in your neighborhood. I am a snowblower
and let them use it.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Good for you. Yeah, I didn't have a snow.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Blower shovel down and say no moss.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
But I always paid the kids a little more and
they would come to my house first and that was beautiful.
So yeah, that's the way it worked. But I don't
have to worry about that now because I'm a town
home community and I must admit the they do an
unbelievable job. I mean it's they get it cleaned up
and no time at all. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
See, there you go. That's where part of your dues go.
But yeah, I have a teenager in your house. There's
an enterprise that's nice and easy for him and those things.
But well, just.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't have it.
I don't have it, neither of my daughters or my
house anymore.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I've just given the general ps if you need to
make a couple of extra bucks on the side to support,
you know, your gastronomic delights for the Super Bowl fare
or whatever the case may be. Either way, be safe
out there, folks, wherever you're going, however you're getting around.
We appreciate you making this part of your early Sunday morning.
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It's our pleasure to do this each and every week.
Next week, Greg will be up in San Francisco getting
you ready counting down to Super Bowl sixty and gleaning
all those insights over the course of the week, doing
his appearances on Radio Row and of course Thursday with
Colin Cowherd one o'clock issue Eastern Time. I've got that right, right,
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that makes sense. That's a standing date for y'all. So,
as Colin always calls it, the best fifteen to twenty
minutes you're gonna get here, we get Greg's brain for
two hours, and we're blessed to do it. We talked
to a bunch of the NFC last hour, obliquely and
kind of quickly with the AFC in the at the
final minutes there and overall, I mean, look, we expected
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a defensive game. We just didn't expect quite what it
became as the weather became a bigger factor. Jared Stidham
in at quarterback, we did the full analysis, you laid
it out, and he threw that fifty two yard or
to men's and we're in business and eventually he's able
to pay off the drive. Here's a snapshot going back
to Stidham finding the end zone.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Clock is a ten and a half running scoreless first
quarter in the AFC.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Championship game in Steadham under center, Steadham rolls Towey's right,
crows wide open touchdown, touchdown, heartless, steady on the money.
Officially Jared Stidham a six yard touchdown pass to Courtland Sudden.
You could see it from here. Nobody covered Courtland.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, I would have sold that a little harder to
make my quarterback sound better. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
The touch Steady, you gotta go stitty stitty, not Stidhem.
Stitty stitty.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
One hundred and thirty three, one and one. We'll get
to the interception. We'll get to the fumble. Fumble was
another odd review that we've seen because I kind of
thought he was doing a half push motion forward.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, but it ends up being.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
A play that ultimately kind of decides this game to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
You know. I think one of the most overlooked and
hopefully we'll get into this more next week, obviously, but
I think one of the most overlooked things because of
the quality of the Seahawks defense is the Patriots defense.
It's really good and maybe there aren't the household names
on it that that people think. I mean, I've watched
them all season long, you know, it's really interesting now
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the four teams that played last weekend, they all have
great defensive tackle duos and even trios, and you're gonna
see the same here. You have Barmore, you have Williams
inside for the Patriots. Williams has had a great season.
He was great last year for Philadelphia and he was
great in the Super Bowl for phillyas people might remember.
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And Barmore has been really good. And the safeties for
the Patriots to me, the rookie Craig Woodson from cal
and then Hawkins who's been around the league a little bit.
I think those guys have played really well. But you
know that's a defense that's being overlooked right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
The one guy that's gotten his shine because he came
out highly heralded and the injury and was off the
field but now playing at a high level Christian Gonzales
Christian goal. Yeah is Ron a sack and the tackle
for loss six tackles total, five solo in the win
over Denver. Them pressed into action, you have that fumble
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that sets up what becomes eventually for the New England Patriots.
Drake May says, you know what, I'll do it myself
and finds his way into the yeah and zone.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
You know. And by the way, that's going to be
a big deal in the game. Drake May has the
most scrambles of any quarterback in the NFL, and that
might surprise people. Maybe it won't, I don't know, but
that's a big factor. And it did not appear, you know,
looking at the tape, it did not appear that the
Broncos did anything specific to deal with the Drake May
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scramble element in pure pass situations. I'll be curious to
see what the Seahawks do. They're not really a spy team.
But the great thing about the Super Bowl, Mike, and
you know this is when teams have two weeks, there's
always a few wrinkles that you don't see during the
regular season, you know, because they bring in all their scouts,
they bring in everybody to do tape research and analytics research,
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and you always see a few different things. So I'll
be curious to see. But the scrambling ability, in addition
to the design run ability. The touchdown was a design
run call, but the scrambling ability that's been huge in
a number of games for Drake May.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Sick the day. Eventually they do actually get a field goal,
to go because that was quite uninteresting back and forth
of well we'll try what now that didn't work. Now
it's our turn to dry field goal. No, that didn't work.
And the scrambling ability and the mobility of Drake may
on display just inside of the two minute warning when
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well he crossed up even his own guys and didn't
tell him he was going to run as he picks
up the first down to help ice things. But you know,
we talked a little bit the end of last hour,
the decision when you're up seven seven nothing to go
for it and not and Eshue, the field goal opportunity
just seemed to me even in the moment. And again,
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hindsight's twenty twenty, so it's now a week discussed. But
as it was going on, it's like you've got your
backup quarterback and you can go up two scores. Forget
about whether it's a touchdown or you know, like you're
going up two scores and your defense has been your
hallmark and what you've been relying on. You've got your
backup quarterback who hasn't played a bunch, and now you're
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going to be staked to a two possession lead. Knowing
I mean, we were tracking it Sunday morning, Greg about
the weather and what was coming in. So yeah, they
knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, they knew, they knew it was coming. You know.
That gets back to our previous discussion to me again,
and I'm not going to knock Sean Payton. I think
in those games, you knew it was going to be
a tight game. Both defenses very very good. You're playing
with a backup quarterback. You take the points when they're there.
Like I said, it changes the whole play calling for
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the opposing offensive coordinator. And sure Josh McDaniels, you know,
it's not his first rodeo. He's seen an awful lot,
probably seen pretty much everything, but it just changes the
way you go about the game.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, as we watched the game then unfold, we had
a number of missfield goals. The wins really started to
come in. You had the tip ball, you know, on
one attempt and go on down the line becomes a
ten to seven game. You get that duck interception on
desperation just to heave. Didn't need to, but there there
we are inside of a minute and you're able to
(51:30):
kneel it down and finish the job. But you know,
for for Denver, a big year and obviously this week,
now you have this whatever bo Nix's injury is, plus
his history, and he and Sean Payton getting after it
a little bit in the in the press. And look,
I what fights on the sideline. That's fine, like those
(51:52):
are going to happen to the heat of the moment,
guys starting after it. But when your quarterback a week
after a surgery feels compelled that he's got to assemble
the met to address his health, that's not a good
sign for your organization.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
And Cook Shawn's well known. I mean, you know, he
gets very emotional during games. He's super focused, he's leser focused.
You know, he's known to get a little upset. He's
probably not the only one you know that does that.
It just you know, he seems to be shown a
lot more he does it. But he's also a really
good coach. Look, he got that team to the AFC
(52:25):
Championship Game, so he's certainly not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
And Nora's bo Nicks, Well, here's one of my favorites.
Was Lombardi. After being excised from the Denver Broncos staff,
Joe Lombardi. Yeah, yeah, ready, Sean decided to move on,
and I guess that's all there is to say. I
don't think it's ever surprise, not really. I think you
could tell he was in one of those moods right right,
(52:48):
like some changes needed to be made. I guess he
decided one of those changes was me. So I've been
around him long enough to kind of read the tea leaves.
I guess also asked about being scapegoat, because well, we
did get to the AFC title, right right, right, but
the sort of damocles falls on him. So that was
kind of curious in terms of, you know, the run
(53:09):
that they had, the fact that you have Stidham in
that position and pressed into action, but Lombardi still gets
the sword. This coaching hiring cycle has been quite odd,
to say the least.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's again the whole idea
of a head coach, and I don't know the answer
to this. You have to interview people. I'm not part
of that process at all, so I don't, you know,
I don't. I don't question when guys get hired. That's
an easy thing to do. But the way the head
coach thing has played out Mike is pretty much guys
get hired with very few exceptions because they're good play
(53:43):
callers on offense or defense. That seems to be the
way the coaching carousel works now. So the whole concept
of quote unquote leader of men again, whatever that means,
you have to be around someone to know that, you
know that, that's not really it doesn't seem to me anyway.
That doesn't really fall into the criteria for why guys
(54:05):
get hired as head coaches. They kind of get hired
because they're really good, you know, calling either the offense
or the defense. Now, maybe they have great personalities and
maybe they will be leader of men, and certainly when
they go through the interview process, I'm sure they've got
to show some of that. But that's that's the way
candidates are kind of you know, figured out, hey, great
offensive play caller, great defensive coach, that makes him a
(54:28):
good head coach.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
We've got two more openings still out there with yeah,
Arizona and Vegas, and presumptively it's one of these assistants
that's on one of the respective staffs who've certainly heard
Kubiak's name mentioned a bunch.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, it's a tough Both are tough spots because of
the quarterback situation. I mean, you know, still they are.
Kyler Murray is obviously under contract because he signed a
big deal, but he got bench this year basically, So
it's you know, those are they don't seem to be
attractive on the outside, let's put it that way. But
there's only thirty two of them, and somebody's going to
(55:04):
take those jobs.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah, that's been the curious part of all of it, right,
And we'll get into the Cleveland one here in a
couple of minutes as Todd Munkin takes over there. Yeah,
after a number of people declined second interviews and you know,
profiles and whatever else. But Arizona, you also still have
Jacoby Brissett under contract cheaply for another year. That's one
of the curious things that are around the league because
(55:27):
you've got him, You've got mac Jones still has one
more year on a minimal deal with San Francisco. But
certainly some dominoes to fall, and this was the rare
occasion because normally we have the hey, that job's not great,
it'll be up again in two years. And then we
had the outliers at least to this point of Baltimore, Buffalo,
and Pittsburgh that subtenly all became available as well.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, it's been. It's been interesting. You know, it's so
funny when you hire a young guy with no experience
fans pitch and mode. Then you hire Mike McCarthy with
a ton of experiences and fans bitch and moan. So
funny how that works. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's just
part of being a fan. You got a bitch and moan.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
That's it. Let's let's cue up the Harry champin All
My Life's a circle and move on all Greg Cosel
on Twitter find me over at Swollen Dome. As we continue,
we'll talk about the aforementioned Cleveland Browns as they finally
got their man, and we'll hit the rewind button on
a couple of other quarterback situations, one of which you've
(56:26):
heard about a bunch during this Super Bowl run. But
what's the I looking forward? Greg's got that and everything else.
Here it's Fox Football Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
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Speaker 2 (56:57):
Welcome back in Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports A the
pause in your NFL schedule. I had a Super Bowl
sixty next week in Santa Clara beautiful Levi Stadium. Conspiracy
theorists go back to a graphic posted on the NFL's
Twitter account with a cool cartoon of everybody walking towards
(57:19):
the Lombardi Trophy in the middle of the field there
at Levi's and front and center of the thirty two
players represented for their teams. Sam Darnold, Drake, may what
say you, Greg Gozel?
Speaker 3 (57:35):
Well, you know it's funny. I don't think about you know.
I like the whole Donald thing. You know Donald Now
it's had two really good seasons. I know everybody pointed
last year too. I guess the final two games obviously.
I watched those final two games in Minnesota in great detail,
and he had, you know, a couple of bad plays,
but he wasn't as bad as people think overall. I
(57:57):
think this past game against the Rams, I thought he
played at a really high level, and it started with
that first third down where he hit Shaheed for fifty
one yards. Beautiful ball. They chose to play press man
on Shaheed without any safety help over the top. But
just to show you how sick I am, Mike, Okay,
(58:18):
I'm going to give you some some major sickness with
what I do.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
So we do this while you were eating a celebration cupcake.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Well, no, I had one yesterday, and I might with
no football today, I might have to go back and
Noble today, Yeah, and have another one. But so anyway,
the touchdown to Smith and Jigbo when he came out
of the backfield. As soon as I saw that play,
I knew exactly what it was because the first time
that I could remember seeing it and it popped right
(58:44):
into my head was in the twenty sixteen playoffs when
Matt Ryan hit Tevin Coleman with a touchdown. It was
the exact same play. And you know who the offensive
cordner was for the Falcons. That was the year the
Falcons went to the Super Bowl. I believe you know
who the offensive coordinator was for the Falcons that year.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Lay it out for the people.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
Kyle Shanahan. So now we had Kubiak, who comes from
the Kyle Shanahan tree, basically running the same play. What
are we talking nine years later, But that popped into
my head immediately when I saw that play, I said, oh,
that was the same play that that Matt Hasselback hit
Tevin Coleman for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
See all of it ties together. Do you have all
of the family trees, of the coaching trees in giant
frame portraits on your way?
Speaker 3 (59:32):
No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
I do not, kind of like your in the Harry
Popp But you know that.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Always that always fascinates me when I read books, if
you know, if I read some football books, I'm always
fascinated by the coaching connections. You know that, Like for instance,
when Nick Saban his first year after he graduated from
college and he became a GA. I believe at Kent State.
I'm pretty sure it was at Kent State. You know
(59:56):
who the two gas were. It was Nick Saban and
Dom Capers.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
That's a nice idea.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I love that kind of stuff. How these coaches, you know,
you go back thirty forty years and the connections with coaches.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I just say, I'd love to sit in that room
and listen to them talk defense for a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Oh my god, Yeah, let's have some fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Dom Capers there's a name to go back and hit
your Google machine.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
You know, I've had coaches send me like, you know,
sort of game plan stuff, and of course, you know,
I would never talk about that or you know, say
who I'm getting it from, because I would never do that.
You don't do that. But you know they know that
that what I do, so they respect what I do.
And you know, when you see that stuff and fifty
percent of it because of the specific language that they use,
fifty percent of it, I have no idea what it is.
(01:00:40):
But the other fifty percent I can kind of figure out.
You know. It's just it blows me away how detailed
everything is. Now. They probably don't present it to the
players like that, but that's the way the coaches deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I dig the context clues and you ferreting that out.
That's fantastic to be trusted with that stuff and to
help inform how you review things all these years, forty
six years NFL films, you matchup show of the podcast
Love Listening to You with Ross Tucker, and of course
your visits with Colin Coward one o'clock eastern every Thursday
(01:01:11):
appointment viewing. Get a couple of big plays broken down
with the video component here. He's just got a telltale
the pictures with words. That's what we do here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Every picture tells a story.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's what the face has told me all those years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
And there you go. I believe it was a Rod
Stewart a solo album.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yes, but yeah he wasn't Ronnie Wood hanging out on
the you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Know, probably they were big buds. Yeah, they were big buds. Yeah. Yeah,
there you go. Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah. Now I want to go see Russ.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Great album, No great album. Maggie May was on that
album too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
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and Todd Monkin coming up in a minute, but first
we've got a man at the news desk. He's a legend.
He's a myth he's a mythical figure, and he's found
his way into the studio this morning. It's our guy,
Isaac Lowen Cron at Isaac Lowan Kron before you find
him in the twitter verse.
Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Hi Buddy, Good morning Mike, Good morning Greg, and speaking
of legends. In the Australian Open Final today, twenty two
year old Carlos Alkaraz defeated Novak Djokovic in four sets,
becoming the youngest men's tennis player to complete the career
Grand Slam. In the NFL, the Las Vegas Raiders have
conducted a second interview with Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint
(01:02:43):
Kubiak for their head coaching job. In the NBA, the
Cleveland Cavaliers are acquiring Dennis Shrewder and Keon Ellis from
the Sacramento Kings for DeAndre Hunter in a three team
deal in which the Chicago Bulls will acquire Dario Sharitch
from Sacramento as well as two second round draft picks.
There's a guy on social media at Yassi Goslin who
(01:03:06):
points out that Dennis Shrewder has now been traded eight
times that side for the second most in NBA history
behind Trevor Ariza with eleven. Finally, a health update on
college football Hall of Fame coach Lou Holts, courtesy of
his son Skip Holtz, who posted a short time ago
(01:03:26):
today quote Dad is eighty nine and he is still
fighting the fight. Only the man upstairs knows how much
time is left on the clock, cherishing the time we
still have together. Unquote again that an update on college
football Hall of Fame coach Lou Holtz via his son
Skip Holtz on social media.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Mike and Greg back to you. Appreciate that. Ilo at
Isaac Low and Coron where you find him. He's still
trying to decompress from the Chargers season, getting ready to
play the City Ac. I'm sorry, buddy, It'll get better,
even though Jesse minterle so yeah, you know, off to Baltimore,
he goes. Lou Halts two forty nine, thirty two and seven,
(01:04:07):
many quotes and quips through the years.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Very funny man. I've seen him do his stick at events.
He's he was hysterically funny, really funny.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Hell of a run. William and Mary Nz State Arkansas, Minnesota,
South Carolina, best of the family, fans and certainly folks
running through those YouTube videos of some of those great
appearances on game day and all those things.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Oh, he's you know, he just has a knack for
the way he spoke and the way he because he
didn't tell jokes in a strict sense, like it wasn't
like a stand up comic, you know, going up to
tell jokes, but he just had a way of telling
stories that just made you laugh and smile.
Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
There he had it. So we got the update from
his son, and you know, I would be remiss Isaac
brought up an NBA trade, Not that we're going to
do a ton of it here on these shows, Greg,
but I missed that. I'm kind of upset that Shruder
gets traded to the Eastern Conference because last time they
played the Lakers, Luka Doncic reminded him of the eighty
four million dollar contract that he left on the table
(01:05:11):
to be a Laker, and it started played into beef,
which is always fun for me when I've sit here
four hours a night watching games live and where there's
a extra juice between guys when they get on the
court to.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Get I always look at the NBA box scores. I
don't necessarily watch a ton of it. I usually watch
a little more college hoops, but I still watch the NBA.
But yeah, I mean Saturdays. Now Saturdays are college basketball.
It's all day long.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, that's it. We got a bunch of games we
had Friday night. Tonight, the NBA back on NBC. We'll
see if we get a we get Round Ball Rock back,
but hopefully we also get maybe a voiceover from Marv
Albert or something somewhere along the way. But we'll figure
that out. Now, let's go to the planet Cleveland. A
number of people decided they did not want the job.
Mike McDaniel had a great intro out here as a
(01:06:00):
h the new offensive coordinator for the Chargers. He eschewed
a second interview and some of the profiles that they
wanted them to fill out. But they finally got their
man in Todd Monkin, and well he had an audience
and got to meet his quarterback. Trying to draft your ass, slash.
It's all worked out. Doesn't remember that right.
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Someday we'll get a chest to talking about that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
They have it meeting Shadoor Sanders remember famously, Baltimore reportedly
and confirmed many times thereafter. I wanted to draft Shadur
in the fifth round, and they were told, nah, we're good,
we don't he doesn't want to go and back up
Lamar Jackson. Okay, fine, Uh. Fast forward in a few
months and now Todd Monkin gets to try to take
(01:06:47):
pro bowler Shodoor Sanders to the next I had to
do that.
Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I have to. It'll be interesting. I mean, they still
have Deshaun Watson, do they not. He's still on the buck. Yes,
it is going to be interesting to see how all
about plays out. I think there's an assumption by many
that your Dre is going to be the starter. He
may well be. We have no idea. He was certainly
up and down playing this year. I mean I think
watching him, you got the feeling that he could certainly
(01:07:13):
play in the league. It wasn't as if he did
not belong. He certainly. I think in line up and
play the question is improvement. For some reason, I think
people are taking the approach that, oh, this guy's a starter,
no questions asked. Maybe it'll turn out that way. I
mean Todd Monkin, you know, he's been around as an
offensive coach and play caller, and he does a lot
with offense. You know, obviously when he was in Baltimore,
(01:07:36):
you're playing to Lamar Jackson. You play to your quarterback.
That's the way it is. So there was still a
lot of heavy personnel. Patrick Ricard, I don't know if
we'll see that in Cleveland. I would bet you're going
to see a lot more three wide receivers because I
think Monkin would ideally like to do more of that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah, and it'll be curious to see, right, because you
have the other potential fallout of whether Jim Schwartz hangs
around or not. Oh yeah, so you've got that Miles
Garrett posting the instagram of the sad uh I think,
what is it? Popeyes er KFC worker on the bench
who looks like the world has just taken him. So
you got that going. So a little unrest, but it
(01:08:15):
wouldn't be Cleveland without it. Now would have Greg cos
Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
He's a really good coach. I had an opportunity when
he was in Philly to talk with him a little bit.
You know, he's a little keeps things kind of close
to the vest, but I know in offensive coaches I've
spoken to over the years feel that he is one
of the most difficult decoordinators to play against, particularly when
you get the third down and pure pass situations. That
(01:08:41):
what he does. He likes to play a lot of man,
but he also he's one of those guys that there's
a lot of sort of muddied, dirty looks on the
back end that you're kind of uncertain what it is.
And you know, in this league, Mike, if the quarterback
just has half a beat of uncertainty, the defense normally wins.
So he's gonna end up somewhere. He's too good, whether
(01:09:01):
it's Cleveland or somewhere else, He'll end up somewhere. He's
a really good defensive coach.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Now, there were a couple of minutes where I thought
we really could have had one of the best coaching
triumvirates that we could put in a room together. Chris
O'Leary eventually becomes the defensive coordinator for the Chargers Western Michigan.
But the idea that we might have had, and this
was my fever dream. McDaniel comes in as OC Schwartz's
DC with Jim Harbaugh at the Helm and we were
(01:09:29):
for the history of Harbaugh and Schwartz. But let's put
them in a room together. We get a comedy out
of it. I get at least one season of eight
on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Right, right, right, Yeah, I don't know. Obviously, I don't
know much about O'Leary coming from college, so I can't
speak about him at all. But you know, it's it's interesting,
you know, you get these young coaches. I'm totally in
favor of that. I mean, you know, everybody needs that opportunity.
You know, it's easy to say, oh, you're bringing a
guy in with no experience. Well, you know there was
a time that you know, Belichick had no experience either.
(01:10:01):
Nick Saban had no experience either. You have to have
these guys start somewhere, and sometimes it's good to bring
a new young blood with a different approach and we'll see. Obviously,
people wait for the results and then that's what they do.
They once they have access to the results, they make
their decision. But I kind of like giving these guys
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Well, I think we talk about the coaching trees, we
talk about some of the decisions that have been made,
and you know, when McVeigh gets a job, I remember
Al Davis did this all these years ago with Madden
and Gruden and Mike Tomlin was a young guy when
he took over for Bill Cower there in Pittsburgh. Grant
Judinsky is one of the guys who got some interviews
(01:10:42):
this cycle. What is he twenty nine to thirty there
in Jacksonville. He's going to stay on as their OC.
But you start to see they're looking at the NFL
from a different prism, right at different lines. We'll get
to Minnesota and what they've got to figure out as
we continue here on Fox Sports Radio. But you know, well,
you're trying to see it through a different set of eyes,
kind of like we were talking about the Hall of
(01:11:04):
Fame and discussions of that ILK and how you place
players and try to rank across generations when the game
is just so vastly different. The same thing here of all, right,
how do you find the next great innovation in offense?
Now everything old can be new again. As we saw
some resurgence the last couple of years of just going
to the run game. You mentioned Ricard in Baltimore. They
(01:11:26):
stayed with that US check still in San Francisco and
in a few other places where you go that or
you have the thirteen personnel and get heavy that way,
but you know, for these guys and eventually you got
to find your next round of coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because I
always think of what you said about innovation with offense.
I always think of that almost like music, because music
everything is somewhat derivative. You know, even the new bands
that come out and people say, oh wow, that's a
great sound. You know, I guarantee if you spoke to
the band, they tell you that, oh, you know, listen
to this. We listen to that, and then we tried
to put our spin on it, you know, so it
(01:12:03):
might sound a little different, but in many ways it's derivative.
It's the same with these young guys like I'm very
curious to see Sean mannon and Philly based on his background.
He's been with McVeigh. I mean, he's been with a
lot of people, so you're going he's going to take
a lot of that now. I'm sure he has some
ideas of his own. They all do, you know that
they live it, you know, twenty four seven, three sixty five.
(01:12:24):
But it's not as if he's going to be coming
up with something that's never ever been seen or done before.
It's just maybe he packages it a little differently because
he's got some ideas. So in many ways, it's all derivative.
You know. The one thing that I find fascinating is,
you know, there's a lot of younger I don't want
to call them kids, younger people now, who are you know,
(01:12:44):
breaking down film, doing tape work, and more power to him.
I love that there's more and more. You know, some
people say I was the one that started at because
I started matchup in nineteen eighty four. But when some
of these you know, twenty eight twenty nine year olds
say things like, oh god, I've never seen that before,
and I think, think to myself, you're twenty eight. I've
seen it a thousand times, you know. You know, but
(01:13:05):
it's great that there's more and more of it because
that's the game. The game is between the lines, you know.
The coaching tape tells you what's really happening with the game.
Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Fantastic stuff. Talk about Declan Doyle going from Chicago to Baltimore, Right,
I love this stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yeah, give these guys an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Another young guy, Ian Cunningham, goes down to Atlanta leaves
the Bear like the Bear staff that's a whole other
conversation for another time, maybe the week fin.
Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
And Cunningham was in Philly for a couple of years too,
so we worked, you know, under Howie Roseman, who obviously
has done a really good job as a GM. So
I mean, you know, let these guys get an opportunity. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
And you mentioned Sean Manion. He gets to go work
with pro bowler Jalen Hurts. See what it all comes
back to.
Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Yeah, and you know what sometimes quarterbacks, you know, I
mean even look at Matthew Stafford. Okay, he goes to
you know, late in his career, he goes to the Rams.
I guarantee McVeigh with his whole approach challenged him in
a different way than he'd been challenged before. There's nothing
wrong with bringing in a new coach. And I said
that because maybe Sean Mannon comes in and challenges Jalen
(01:14:08):
Hurts in a way that he hasn't been challenged. There's
nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
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(01:16:06):
You leave it today, you're going later in the week.
Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
What do we got I'm leaving on Tuesday, Tuesday morning,
I'm flying out, all.
Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Right, A couple more days for the deep for us
to go away. Yeah, yeah, to get ready for your
time out out on the on the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Well, I started watching. I've started to watch some college tape,
you know, just because there's fewer NFL games, so I
get through that earlier in the week. So I've done.
You know, I've done nine receivers that I'm done with,
so you know, my opinion won't change on those nine
receivers because I've done all the research in detail, and
a couple of quarterbacks I've looked at. Simpson Mendoza. Probably
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will see them more just because they're big names. But
now I'm starting the draft process. Mike, it's that time.
Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yeah, you sent me a couple of examples of the
the long, long analysis that you do. So dratted that newsletter.
Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I take that a little seriously. Yeah, maybe he can
help me out there. We can start the newsletter.
Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Well, let's let's work on that and see how we
departmentalize and get those video clips up and go viral.
As the kids say. I'm Ty Simpson making the rounds
a little bit in the news this week, saying he
didn't want to hurt his quote unquote legacy by transferring instead.
Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
An Alabama guy, I guess Alabama. He's an interesting guy watched.
I've watched his stape in detail. I obviously had some
up and downs later in the season, but he's a
very interesting guy to watch. And they ran really NFL
core concepts, so you saw him have to deal with
NFL core concepts. You know, it wasn't just RPOs or
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you know, back shoulder fase. I mean he was throwing
deep digs in the middle of the field. You know,
the kinds of things you see every week in NFL games.
Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Can't wait to do the deep dives as we head
towards the draft in April. Combine all of that fun
stuff we had the Senior Bowl yesterday. Nuss Meyer ends
up being the MVP, a guy who had the topsy
turvy world that he did. But we'll do that in earnest,
coming up in a couple of weeks once we put
this NFL season to bet.
Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
You have the combine as well. Mike.
Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah, that's my god.
Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
I love that. That's one of my favorite trips.
Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, I'm just gonna bug you literally so I can
hear all the conversations that you're having. One guy that's
still got some questions, right, So ty Simpson will be
asking the has he had enough starts? Well, JJ McCarthy,
the topsy Turvy year that he had from Minnesota, Quezia
Dolfa Menza fired after four years, the no Pro bowlers
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the draft analysis only one hundred and seventy two combined
starts from all the draft picks that they had, and
obviously McCarthy and the question of whether Sam should have,
shouldn't have Daniel Jones went and took his shot in
Indianapolis either way, a lot of back and forth in
terms of the front office and Kevin O'Connell in terms
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of the quarterback position. Go through a tough year. Justin
Jefferson now doing podcast going, yeah, wish we could run
that back. That's not helping things.
Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
So it's the immediate gratification thing. Look, I'll be the
first to admit I did not love JJ McCarthy's tape
coming out of Michigan. So and and that's all it
is for me. It's just tape. But I think you
have to give that time now. Maybe Look, they're with
him every day, so they know better than I clearly.
But the point is it was really his first year
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playing because he didn't play at all as a true rookie,
and then he got hurt, so he was in and
out of the lineup. I don't think that we without
being there, Okay, I don't feel that I can actually
make a true evaluation of JJ McCarthy for his entire career.
So you know, they may feel that he has a
chance to be a really, really good player. If they
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feel that way, then you know, what he's your starter
this year. If they don't feel that way, well I
guess we'll find out by what they do in the
off season.
Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, we've seen the rumors starting to percolate. I mentioned
Matt Jones earlier as to whether maybe he's that guy
last year right about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
But the fact that Jefferson went and made made public
first time I've really remembered hearing his voice. So the
fact that that becomes a little bit of a thing,
because clearly, uh, if we do the body language reading, Greg,
it made for an interesting end of the year.
Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Sure did either way.
Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Safe travels, my friend. We will talk to you for
Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
What's going on about Mikey? What's happening? Can't believe there's
no football today? No, I'm a big college hoops fan,
So that kind of takes you know, I watched a
lot of college hoops yesterday, but yeah, no football today.
I'm fortunate this. I'll be heading out to San Francisco
on Tuesday. I think this will be Super Bowl thirty
three for me. If I if my math is any good,
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that's a pretty good math. I never take that for granted, Mike,
believe me. It's you know, I'm one of those guys
I love when they have a Super Bowl outside because
the flyover every time brings a tear to my eye.
It just that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, it's just it right. There's those certain indelible images
that we have via the communal experience of television. But
in those buildings we talk about being you know, near
the sidelines on the sidelines and the speed of the game,
the crunching, the yelling and all that. But the communal
experience of that flyover, I mean, well, I mean go
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back to you know, the Bears before they exited stage
right where they bring out Jim Cornelissen, and I get it.
For some folks, it's not it's not the thing. For me.
I mean, that's that's my history. The number of ars.
I'd seen that man sing sing the national anthem live.
I'm getting chills and tearing up sitting on my couch
as if I was sitting there in the freezing cold
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with my brothers like I was when I was younger.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Right, No, that that, you know, the flyover. I mean,
I don't know if you've ever been fortunate enough to
be at a Super Bowl live, but when it's outside,
obviously inside they still do it, but it doesn't have
the same impact because when you're outside you can see it,
and it just the whole moment to me is just
one of those that you know, is just so incredibly
special and emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I've been the two uh paid paid my way in
and both were indoor ish because I mean, it's not
technically a dome here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Right, so far right, great stadium, Yeah, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Great seeing several concerts there now and football games. I
mean it's it's a fun experience, fun spot. I mean,
the last time we went went to a Charger game,
I got to say hello to Clancy Brown. I mean
it really it made it for me, right, you know,
the toughest screw to ever walk a turn at Shawshank
and he's mister Crabs on spongebomb, So I mean I
get the full gama of things and a million things
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there in between. And then long long ago, my my
ex mixes Dad, I took him to the Steelers and
the Packers all those years ago at Jerry's Ye, which
was an experience upon experience, plenty of story time for
all of that. I ended up sitting in the Steelers
family section. Now, Oh okay, because of all of the
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icy roads that we're experiencing here and wherever you are.
We just saw an update from Duck, North Carolina on
the Weather Channel where the snow drips were about twice
as high as the place.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
We got lucky here in South Jersey in Philadelphia, because
all week they were, you know, wondering if we're going
to get hit with that. I guess bomb cyclone they
call it. And I'm sure everybody went to Google to
see what a bomb's done. That's it, right, I certainly did.
I mean I didn't know what it was. And we
got lucky though it stayed offshore because I was thinking,
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oh no, I'm flying out Tuesday if we get like ten,
twelve or twenty inches of snow. You know, I may
not be going anywhere on Tuesday, but fortunately we just
have freezing cold weather, you know. But hey, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Just figure out how to de ice those planes. If
you're out and about and you've got to travel, let's
be careful out there. I know a lot of our
media brethren getting ready to descend on San Francisco. Yeah,
it gets a little bit chilly, but it's nothing compared
on to what folks have been dealing with throughout the country.
I'm still fighting with FedEx over a package that shouldn't
have been affected by weather because it didn't go very far,
but it still took five days to get to its
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intended destination. But that's a whole other thing. But yeah,
the remember that Super Bowl in Dallas. They got the
fight day storms, so everything kind of got shut down,
which aboorded me an opportunity, although it was an expensive
one for us to get to that Super Bowl game.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I remember that you couldn't really you were literally driving
on a sheet of ice because they obviously in Dallas,
they don't know how to deal with that because it
never happens, and I mean it was it was scary.
You were because I was actually staying right near the
stadium in Arlington, and I guess the radio row was
in Dallas, which was thirty minutes away, so you know,
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I had to get there and it was brutal. I
mean you were literally driving on a sheet of ice.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah. I just remember day one we lost a cameraman
who went down. He slipped down the ice. He was
he was laid up the rest of the week. So
that was it, all the extra little features of a young,
starry eyed Mikey Harmon suddenly went.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Down the toilet right right, extra cameraman.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So everything we planned with you just go to the
convention center and have some fun.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The do Yeah, yeah, just a quick story one of
the tough ones. See, I was I was directing an
ISO camera at the Super Bowl, I think it was
was it? It was in Miami because Prince was the
halftime Bears Colts, Yes, Bears Colts, that's correct. The the
Rex Grossman, I believe was the Bears quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
That Super Bowl quarterback, Rex Grossman. That's right, that's correct history.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And you know they gave us ponchos, but it was
pouring the whole time, and after a while the ponchos
really didn't do anything. And one of my regrets is
because I was out there literally for two hours before
the game, and then the first half happens and I
just had to get inside. I was just like a
wet rag. So I didn't see Prince, which was one
of my regrets. But you know, I was just like,
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I mean, it was crazy. I just felt like, you know,
came out of the pool, you know, and then I
had to go back after the second half.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's insane, Yeah, I mean, because really we come back
to that Super Bowl. It made Devin Hester a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It gets Manning and Dungee their super Bowl together.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think if I remember Manning through a touchdown of
Reggie Wayne in that game, I remember that, and I
remember Bob sand Is because we isowed him quite a
bit because I was directing the camera and he had
some you know, classic Bob Sanders plays. Obviously, because for
two three years he was a great safety, one.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Of the greatest safeties we've ever seen. When he were
able to duct tape and bandage him together to keep.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, that guy was.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The definition of a human missile. For those that remember
him in Iowa, safety coming into the league, and he
flew around and he threw his body around with well
great disregard, which that.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Is true, and he was not he was short but
not small.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right, yeah, but anyay, we go back to that Super Bowl, right,
it's it's one of the you know, big ones when
we talk about the matchup of Dungee versus Lovey Smith yep.
But it's always remembered for the hester return right off
the jump, because I mean, this is me. I've got,
you know, a little baby in my hands, right, and
they're like, yeah, let's go. We'd done the White Sox
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World Series trip where I was able to get back
to Chicago for one of those games. We had no
money to go try to do a Super Bowl, which
is why I was excited the Bears were making a
run this year. But I'm like, how am I going
to finagle a ticket? How am I gonna do? How
do I sneak into a stadium? All of those kind
of things. But you'll appreciate this. Last night I went
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to a thing here called Americana Fest, so I'm extra
coffee in me celebrating the music of Neil Young sorts
of artists going on stage at the Troubadour.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Neil Young, very eclectic, all different kinds of music.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So just all up and down the road. You got
the guys bringing out the pedals and the fuzz box,
you know, kind of stuff for the muffled sound of
some some singing along, but just a lot of.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Just well, I gotta tell you, I saw Crosby, Stills,
Nash and Young twice in maybe a four year period.
You know, I'm going back twenty years probably and to
this day. Of all the concerts I've been to, I've
been to, you know, a few in my time, I
think the emotional moment was just Neil Young at the
piano with a spotline on him, nothing else doing after
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the gold Rush, which is one of my favorite songs,
and it was just so emotion because it's one of
those kinds of songs.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, I just say, you know, yeah, only love can
break your heart. In the rendition at Southern Man that
was done last night, I not a dry eye in
the house. I mean, no slowed down and big. I
had no appearance from Neil for this one, but one
of those that I got to experience with my seventeen
year old. But you know, before she heads to College.
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We got the last of these Los Angeles things we
need to do. Check off in the Troubadour certainly one
of those. So celebrating all things because each day we
wake up and the goal is one to oho people.
We made it to another one. And Greg's getting ready
to descend on the West Coast for his thirty third
Super Bowl. As he said, look, I cherish sheet and
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every time we get to do these things on Sunday mornings,
and I get a text from my little brother every
Super Bowl sun that can't wait for it next week,
next week, you know, talking about you know, just this
path and the chaos of me being able to talk
with y'all out there wherever you are. Thanks for being
with us as part of the extended family here at
Fox Sports Radio, and looking forward to to chopping up
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the game in earnest next week. We got a lot
of storylines. We'll look back at how we got here
from last week's game. But I remiss Greg, and we
don't need to go into the political nonsense of it
all as to who, what and how and in the
voting process. But Bill Belichick reportedly not getting into the
Hall of Fame, Yeah, became the story of the week,
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and you know, you're a man who loves and knows
the history of this game, from the film perspective, from
the characters of the game, from the coaches that you've
talked to. It's just one of those that for me,
and you know, the process can be condemned as well
as how they're put together, and it becomes an unfortunate
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you have to slight Kenny Anderson, else Greenwood and Roger
Craig in the process of talking about this as you go,
because you've got to pick one over the other the
way they've jumbled these things together. Sure, but the week
that was, I mean when these news broke, what went
through your mind as a guy who's been a student
of this game for so long.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, I think he's a Hall of Famer without question,
and I don't really understand it. I'm sure people have
their reasons. I'm sure they speak about by whatever gate
they're talking about the guys. To me, it's just a
first ballot Hall of Famer. I had the opportunity. This
goes back about twelve thirteen years when I did the
book with Ron Joworski, The Games That Change the Game,
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and one of the chapters was dealt with the Super
Bowl win where they beat the Rams, the greatest show
on turf, and I had an opportunity to speak on
the phone with Bill Belichick, and I you know, I
had He was a key part of the chapter, obviously
because it was their defense versus their AM's offense. So
it got all set up and I'm you know, I'm
thinking to myself, Mike, oh, I hope I can get
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my the four or five questions in that are essential
to the chapter. We ended up talking for two hours
because he just we started talking about just football. He
called me by name after about three minutes, and I thought, oh,
this is a good start, and we just ended up.
I mean, he gave me the whole history of the
two tight Ends and going back to the Detroit Lions
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with Charlie Sanders and David Hill. I mean, because he
just loves talking ball. I mean, he knows the history
of football maybe better than anyone. And because we weren't
talking about game plans or anything, you know, we were
just talking about tactical football and the evolution over years
and years. And it turned out I started to feel
like I was keeping him too long, you know, because
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we ended up talking for two hours. But to me,
he's the first ballot Hall of Famer. You know, I
don't rip people. You know that I don't. That's not
the way I go about my job. I don't rip coaches.
I don't rip people. I don't know who didn't vote
for him. I'm just telling you, in my opinion, he's
a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, just the curiosity of the way they've done this
for folks that have missed some of the arguments or
some of the nuanced to it all. They changed the
voting rules to whereby the three senior candidates. Again, the
aforementioned Ken Anderson MVP played in the Super Bowl three
hundred yard Game and a loss to the forty nine Ers.
Roger Craig, who changed how the running back position evolved.
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He's one of your originators going back to those forty
nine er teams, and that Els Greenwood, who's part of
that Steel Curtain defense and seemingly the last guy who
hasn't gotten into the Hall of Fame here Greg in
terms of that team decorated for all those years.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Sure, I mean the Hall of Fame thing. You know
that's a hard deal. I know that There's been a
lot to talk about Eli Manning. There's been a lot
to talk, you know about a lot of people, you know,
whether they should or shouldn't be Hall of Famers, And
everybody has a different point of view, and that's that's all.
That's all fine. I mean, don't I don't, like I said,
I don't rip people for having a point of view,
you know, and that's always easy to do. But I
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really don't see how Bill Belichick is not a first
ballot Hall of Famer, you know. And I thought Jimmy
Johnson made a great comment, you know, because some people
have said, well he had Tom Brady. Well, first of all,
Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. They developed Tom Brady.
It wasn't as if Tom Brady came in as the
first pick in the draft, and you know, they developed
Tom Brady. But Jimmy Johnson's point was, you know, how
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many coaches in the Hall of Fame had bad quarterbacks.
We all had great quarterbacks. You know, great quarterbacks usually
helped coaches win. I mean that's kind of the way
it works.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, you have your outliers, and folks get
fill in the blank with their favorite of the last
fifty nine super bowls. Sure, but that point on Tom
Brady has to be underscore. You drafted him, you developed him,
you won consistently. And yes, the trying to say, okay,
these outlier seasons on the back end of things where
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your cash strapped and changed because he's no longer there
to help guide it is just silly. Now, how many
coach back from your point, Greg of you know how
many number one picks and first round picks never found
a playoff win, let alone a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, and you know how many coaches that coach for years, okay,
didn't have a bad year or two. I mean, I
don't think that you can say hold that against a coach.
You know, Don Shula didn't you know, go you know,
twelve and four whatever he played, I think at a
time when they were you know, less their games. But
I mean Don Shula didn't win big every single season.
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That happens.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, just kind of a chaotic week that was in
terms of reasons of rationale. To finish the thought, you
had the three players plus Bobcraft and Bill Belichick that
were in the category together to your point about all
of the history. I mean, my favorite things were watching
him when he would do the chalk talk when he
was the new England coach. Still yeah, that weekly bit
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where he played for play and isle it up and
go to the telestrator. A lot of you know, similarity,
and how he'd explain things as you do with us here,
as you break him down and when you joined Colin
and do your matchup show. You know, here's what we saw,
here's what we schemed. Once it's done right, obviously long ago.
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But the other was if you asked him the right
question in a press conference, very generous. I remember plenty
of five minute answers about players and special teams players.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
If you asked him about the opponent, Okay, obviously he's
not going to talk about his team, and he never
did that, and you know, obviously he wasn't mister a
personality when he answered. But if you asked him about
the opponent, I mean, I remember him talking about TJ. Watt.
He literally broke down TJ. Watt for four minutes they
were playing them that week, and so if you asked
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him those kinds of questions, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Now, let me ask you one question about one of
the other three guys I named take me through Ken Anderson.
For those that are unaware, I mean a different time
we've talked to h Yeah, the way the forward pass
has evolved and these completion percentages because you take the
check down, you take the short routes, which they didn't
really do back in Ken Anderson's day. But I mean
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Chris Collinsworth was one of his top receivers five, no question,
one hundred and seven yards in that Super Bowl for
those Yeah, forget he actually played the game once upon
a time.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, it was kind of a different era. I mean
Kenny Anderson in the early eighties, I forget what year,
I believe he completed more than seventy percent of his passes,
which at that time was unheard of. I mean because
in nineteen eighty, because he's a very good friend of mine,
so I know this. I think Ron Jaworski was the
player of the year and completed something like fifty eight
percent of his passes. Obviously, the Eagles went to the
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Super Bowl, but that was considered, you know, really a
high number back then, and Kenny Anderson was up in
the in the over seventy percent. I'm sure he had
other years he was probably well, you know, sixty five
sixty six percent. And this is of course a little
later in his career, but I think he did that
early in his career too. I remember a year or
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two maybe in the early seventies where he did that.
You know, he's a hard guy, you know, Hall of
Fame quarterbacks. This gets into a discussion, Mike of you know,
what is the criteria? I mean, do you? Eli Manning
is the great example. You know, he won two Super Bowls?
Does that? And he was great, obviously great in those
two Super Bowl runs, not just the game itself, but
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the two or three games leading up to that. I mean,
I remember the Super Cold game in Green Bay. I
mean that everybody remembers. I'm sure you do. You know
where I look like. I mean literally Tom Kaughlin's face
looks so red. You know you were scared for him.
But you know, but you know, Eli, besides that, and
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this gets to Ken Anderson as well, Eli, besides that,
I think he had a five hundred record through a
lot of interceptions. But those two super Bowl runs were
incredibly special. Does that supersede you know, his career, which
and again you can't take away the two super Bowl wins.
They're there and they were phenomenal. Obviously Kenny Anderson doesn't
have that. That's hard. I mean I know a lot
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of people that don't think Dan Foutzuwarren Moon should be
in the Hall of Fame. You know. So quarterbacks are
hard because there's so many of them that put up numbers,
and do numbers automatically make a guy a Hall of Famer.
It's a hard question. Yeah, I don't have a vote.
By the way, I don't want people to think I
don't have a vote, So I don't want people to
think I'm you know, I'm backing off. I do not
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have a vote.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, this is also the beautia like with this Hall
of Fame group, and there can be arguments of whether
people should cycle in and out and whatever else. Yeah,
that's beyond that's beyond my purview and what we're talking
about here. But those fifty people are known, who they are,
how they've right. There's a whole other thing as opposed
to some of these other polling electrics. We know who
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has a vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, we
know who has a Heisman vote, but we're talking about
hundreds abound hundreds of people. Sure, you know a small
handful doesn't change the voting. But we get into backlogs,
and you know, quarterbacks also be the fun part of
Is a quarterback win a real thing or is it not?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And that's another great question. I mean, and you know,
sometimes I get calls from from voters because they know
what I do that all I do is watch tape.
And but look, when it comes to let's say, offensive linemen,
certainly interior offensive linemen, I mean, you know, I'm not
going to say I'm an expert on that. I mean,
I got calls about you know, I think Jarry Evans
or you know, I can't speak to that with any
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real intelligence. I mean, you know that you really almost
have to go to offensive line coaches or you know,
who actually are charting these guys on every play, you know.
And I don't know if any Hall of Fame writers
do that. I don't know what they do because I'm
not part of that. But you know, these things are hard.
It's you know, and it's easy to rip people for oh,
this guy should have been in this guy shouldn't have
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been in there. What are you doing? That's easy, but
this is hard. You know, there's a lot of guys
that play football, and there's a lot of guys that
do well. You know, Kenny Anderson's a great example. You know,
I did just pull up as we were talking his
statistics now. And so in nineteen eighty two he completed
seventy point six percent of his passes, which in nineteen
eighty two that would be like somebody completing eighty percent today.
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You know, that's unbelievable for that time. But that season,
believe it or not, the season he completed seventy point
six he only threw twelve touchdowns with nine interceptions. So
it's it's kind of an odd, you know, dichotomy there,
you know, and of course, back then, very few guys
were throwing, you know, until Dan Marino came in, guys
who were not really seemingly throwing for thirty five or
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forty touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Well, it's also, you know, the argument that's been made,
you know, when folks try to go after Troy Aikman
or some of the ers that have been in trin
and it's like, Okay, they didn't need or they didn't
put up gaudy numbers, but did they make the play
when they needed to.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
All of this got a discussion and Aigman's a fascinating
case study because he did not have great numbers in
his career. But the thing is is when they got
to Super Bowls, they changed their off and they came
out throwing. You know, normally they were not necessarily a
throwing offense, although they were more than people think. He
threw a lot in the first half of games and
they'd get a big lead and then they'd give it
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to Emmitt. So Aikman's numbers, you know, he might have
thrown seventeen passes in the first half, completed fourteen for
one hundred and ninety yards and they're up, you know,
twenty one to three, and then in the second half
they give it to Emmitt because they had a great team.
But Aikman, you know, obviously in those three Super Bowls
he was really good. And the playoffs because they threw it,
he was really good in the playoffs. So again, you know,
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that's maybe that's similar to Eli, and maybe people look
at those two, you know, as a good comparison. That's
why it's so hard. I mean, I don't think people
believe that Aikman shouldn't be and I don't think he
was controversial as I recall he was not controversial, was he.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
No, No, not not terribly. But it's just when people
start looking at the numbers that people are putting up
now right right, likewise with wide receivers anything else, it's a.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Great point game in a world of numbers. Now in
the passing game, a lot of guys are gonna have numbers,
that's it. And then then you have to decide does
that make them a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's it? And try to figure out context down distance,
and like you do, let's go to the tape. See,
I just wanted to do my throwback to that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean, I think it's a great discussion for people,
and we probably need to go to break moment. But
I think the great discussion for people is Reggie Wayne
versus Torry Holt, because you know, they both put up
really big numbers. They both you know, played with really
good quarterbacks. They both got to the big game, you know,
and you know, I don't know if either one guy.
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I guess it hasn't been announced.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It hasn't been announced yet. We'll find out at NFL Honors.
You'll be there in the city on the streets of
San Francisco. There you go Carl Malt and Michael Douglas
before we got out of our first break. We'll continue
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Mom, you should have made me learn an instrument. Hey,
welcome back in It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio
Mike Harmon alongside Greg Cosell as we get you towards
the ramp up, just getting started as everybody starts to
descend upon San Francisco Super Bowl sixty. We got the Patriots,
we got the Seattle Seahawks. Much of the oxygen, if
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it wasn't about the Hall of Fame, is on the
history of one Sam Donald. Particularly for me, Greg co Sell,
because during the week I work with Jason Smith, who
is an ardent Jets supporter, and right that it's been
tough for those guys well, and it was a hellish week,
right because Sam Donald's on one side and the Patriots
are on the other, right, right, right, Meanwhile, you've got
(25:48):
Aaron Glenn firing everybody and Eddy get complete reset.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Again starting all over. You know, I guess say they're
giving him another shot and he's going to start all over.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Full on sisiphus kind of moment. As we go, as
we'll go back into the championship games, let's hit the
rewind to tell us to go back as in your
mind's eye and in your film review of how we
got here, and well, let's go with the aforementioned Sam
Darnold in one of his early strikes back in the
Conference Championship, a.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Third down and three at the Rams thirteen could have
one of the shotgun.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Here comes the four man Rams rush.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Sam steps up, goes back inside Cup, make the catch, touchdown,
say Hawks, the former Ram Super Bowl MVP, now the Seahawks,
and he has another big catch thirteen yards and a touchdown.
This is a guy who's used to making big plays
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at the biggest moments, and there's none bigger than tonight
the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Seahawks now lead again by ten. Some of the delicious
theater with Cooper Cup coming up big in that game.
Four catches thirty six yards, including that touchdown, A guy
that because we got that little side story. Believe all
of it or none of it if you want. Of
how the Rams were evidently trying to say now he's done,
he should be retired, and there he is coming back
(27:13):
to bite them in these playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, you know that play in particular, that was Donald
and what he's been doing so well of late, and
did it throughout much of the season. He was really
decisive and efficient reading coverage, working through progressions within the
structure and timing of the route concepts. That play was
a great example. A Cup was not the primary receiver,
he may have been the third or fourth option in
(27:38):
that route concept, and Donald did a great job. The
other thing Donald did really well in that game was
he was so tough in the pocket. I mean he
made throws where he had to sit there get too
late in the down. The touchdown to Bobo was a
great example. He got hit literally just as he finished
his delivery and he could see the player and feel
him coming right at him. I forget who it was.
(27:58):
It might have been Turner, but I can't remember exactly,
but it was. He played really, really well and he's
he's not turned the ball over in the playoffs, and
he's been really efficient in the past game and you
know he could obviously, you know, I hate this phrase,
but people use it there. Certainly he can make every throw.
(28:18):
He can drive the ball down the field as well
as any quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And now he's a winner, Greg a winner, Yes, three garatsarge.
What I what I love watching him is, you know,
we have such I don't want to call it exaggerated,
but for the purpose of trying to draw a picture
for the folks, you know, the movement left right in
the pocket. I like that he does little baby steps
with his eyes down the field the whole time. You
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know that supposed to you know, kind of the run
to a spot.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I'm so good you said that, because that is one
of the most overlooked and I believe most important traits
for a quarterback is it's you're talking about pocket movement,
and a lot of quarterbacks they of the pocket, they
move out of the pocket. But pocket movement, and Tom
Brady's talked about this a lot, and obviously he was
(29:07):
not running anywhere out of the pocket himself, but the
ability to move within you know, a space that's you know,
smaller than a boxing ring, but you get the idea
kind of a can fine space movement where you move,
you keep your eyes down field the term we use,
then you reset your throwing platform. Donald's done that very
very well, and I think that is a really important
(29:29):
trade for a quarterback in the.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
NFL twenty five and thirty six three forty six and
three for Darnald to absorb three sacks thirty one twenty
seven the final in this game. But it wasn't without
its anxious moments late even though we had a scoreless
fourth quarter. Let's go back to the now famous Matthew
Stafford throw foot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Down Stafford looking throwing it complate.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Seeattle takes over.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Now we can get into the down distance and yep,
you know, when we get into the field, goals and
time on the clock and everything else. But this is
now famous of the botch coverage play. That's what it
goes down. As we'll have Malcolm Butler forever on the
one yard line. Now on the other side, it's the
well we Homer Simpson did it to luck into things
(30:20):
without intending to.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. There was a lot of
talk after that play that the Seahawks made a mistake
and I guess we don't know for sure, but it was.
It was just an interesting There's so much to this play.
It does get into the whole concept of whether you
go for it on fourth down or you take the
field goal. We can certainly talk about that, because I've
got thoughts on that. But that particular play, the Seahawks
(30:44):
actually showed a seven man front with what we call
a zero presentation behind it, meaning they were matching up
to the receivers and there'd be no free player, no
free safety. But they ended up rushing three with seven
and what we call match coverage. And what was interesting
on that play is he wanted Williams on the wheel
route out of the backfield, and Love was on that side,
(31:06):
and he Love looked to me like he was rushing.
He didn't look to me like he was a coverage player.
And Lawrence ended up dropping out and matching Williams and
took away the throw. Now it was talked about, I
know McVeigh felt like they made a mistake in the
coverage and Williams shouldn't have dropped. I can't speak to that.
All I know is Love was on the same side
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and he looked to me like he was rushing. Then
he stopped and tried to get back to Williams. But
to Kyraen Williams, excuse me there, because we've got a
lot of Williams, a lot of Williams, a lot of Williams. Yeah,
but Leonard Williams, if he didn't drop out, that would
have been an easy touchdown. So I don't know who's right,
who's wrong. But Williams, Leonard he dropped out and he
(31:48):
took away the throw.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, you talk about botch it,
even if you know McDonald and company kind of said,
well that wasn't necessarily designed. That's also still football instincts
of recognizing something as it's developing and maybe changing what
the initial assignment is, which we see, you know, not
that you want guys freelancing right right. It also becomes
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all right, that's one more piece then off the chessboard
for Matthew Stafford to be able to navigate, and he
still tried to press it into coverage in the back
of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Well, it's so funny because that reminds me of a
story I interviewed Rider Stauback years and years ago in
Dallas and he to this day he believes that an
interception he threw that Jack Lambert made in one of
the Super Bowls. He believes to this day that Lambert
made a mistake and was in the wrong place. And
you know, I mean, and then that could well be true.
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Lambert or the Steelers would never say, you know, what
really happened, but Roger Stauback believes that Lambert was in
the wrong place based on the coverage, and he may
well have been, you know, just like on this play,
we don't really know. I looked at that play numerous times,
as you can appreciate, Mike, and you know, it just
looked to me like love who was outside Leonard Williams.
(33:01):
It looked to me like he was rushing. He did
not have the body positioning and look of a coverage player.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And instead we get the incompletion. Eventually it becomes the
full on scoreless quarter. We get Sean McVeigh with a
lot of questions they're asked thereafter, because look, Matthew Stafford
all preseason was I was told how bad his back was,
and he will be able to play. Now we can
talk about veterans being savvy of staying out of workouts
(33:31):
as best they can in part of it. But I'll
give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not
He wasn't entering nearer to one hundred percent, but you
know that's now a lost opportunity with a division that's
not going away. We'll go back into the down distance
of fourth down calls that you alluded to. We'll do
that as we continue. We'll also do the Play of
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Coming up next, as we continue at Greg co Cell
where you find Greg find me over at Swollen Dome.
We've got the play of the day and a little
bit more on this epidemic of fourth down calls.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
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and the iHeartRadio app. Time to take a time out
from the world of football and go to the play
of the day. Don't worry, we'll get some Pro Bowl
game stuff in later in the league, but for today,
we go back to the NBA. Last night, a.
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a big win over the Mavericks, you got a lot
of belly achin in the postgame over calls that Cooper
Flag who had thirty four points magnificent rookie season continues
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Shngon didn't hit a lot of shots in his thirty
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fourteen bounce, fourteen points, including our play of the day.
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There it is. We will put a bow on the NBA.
We can unwrap it a little later on in the
shows later today here on Fox Sports Radio. But our
business is talking about the wonderful world of the National
Football League, and we're talking about that fourth down call
by Sean McVeigh. And certainly over the course of the
last couple seasons, Greg, we've seen the proliferation expansion of
(36:27):
what's a makeable fourth down and how you're calling third
down plays, fourth down plays trying to disguise masks things
obvious decision making at times, and then there's those that
you just scratch your head and wonder aloud. In this case, certainly,
first guessing was the all right, you're making a one
point game. Do you trust your defense to stop Sam
(36:50):
Darnold in this Seattle Juggernaut.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah. It's really a fascinating discussion, and to me, there's
no right or wrong, because you're going to hear different
points of view and they're all valid. I probably subscribe
more to the Bill Parcells theory, which is you keep
your team in the game for as long as possible.
I think there's a significant difference in the way an
offensive play caller would go about calling the game if
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it's now a one point game where a field goal
wins it, because don't forget if the Rams get the
ball back, and I know the Seahawks went on a
long drive, but you don't know that is going to happen.
I think that there's if this, if the Rams get
the ball back, all they have to do and I
don't want to say all, but they get to the
forty yard line. And with the way field goal kickers are,
that's a legitimate field goal attend from fifty seven yards
(37:41):
kick right. Obviously you want to get a little deeper
than the forty. But the point is there's thirty five
forty yards that you don't have to get if you're
down by one and a field goal wins it. And
I think that impacts the offensive play caller for the Seahawks.
So I'm again, I'm believer. And you know, analytics is
(38:02):
a fascinating thing, Mike. I mean you've probably talked about
it a lot. Excuse me, but to me, the whole
idea of basing what you do on you know, things
that have happened cumulative effect over a five or ten
year period that has no bearing on that situation in
the moment, I find that intuitively difficult to handle, you know,
(38:26):
academically so to speak. I don't really understand that.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, well, I mean, down distance game that could be
the same, but the game, right flow, the game's circumstances,
all of that can be different, right, and what you
can dial up and obviously how players respond. Sure see
title game is a much different environment than Week six.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, no question. And it happened in the AFC Championship
game as well, when Sean Payton chose to go for
and he could have gone up by two scores, ten
to nothing in a game where you know it set
up as a defense offensive game for the most part,
you knew snow was coming, that was the forecast. And again,
you know, he he's agonizing over He's probably still agonizing.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh, he's agad a lot of things that he I
think he put his foot in his mouth a few times.
But we'll discuss yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, And that's Sean. I mean, I don't get
into that, but I mean, I'm sure he's agonizing over
the call. And he spoke about the fact that he
had two calls. One one was a run, one was
a pass. He sort of second guessed himself and he
went with the pass call instead of the run call.
But you know, you go up ten to nothing. That
kind of changes the way that Josh McDaniel sees the
(39:34):
game a little bit because then you know the snow's coming.
So you know, again, I'm not knocking the coaches. I
don't do that. It's just my personal opinion that in
in tight, close games, in playoff games, you got to
take points when they're available.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
That's it, especially when the Weather's cooperated. You've trusted your
team to this point. Instead we get a scoreless fourth
thirty one twenty seven your final the Seattle See Advance.
We talked Cooper Cup, Jackson Smith and Jigba and obviously
the greatness of what Kenneth Walker has done. They get
it done without Zach charbonay as we can take you here.
(40:10):
It's Fox Football Sunday. He's Greg co sale at Greg
Cosell find me over at Swallow Dome. I'm Mike Carmon.
We will continue. We'll get into that AFC game a
little bit more in earnest, because there's now some questions
in Denver that I want answered. Loving the football Sunday,
I've got action on the pitch, so we got some
(40:31):
epl so at least have that football. We had some
of the Pro Bowl games. I saw, I'm on ross
Aint Brown jumping off a trampoline. That's right, and then
he caught the ball after he landed on the mat.
It made no sense, but everybody owed it on and
it was exciting. And maybe we'll get into that a
little bit later. On the Pro Bowl games. Kevin Stefansy
(40:52):
got fired. He got two Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Make it
make sense to be Greg Cosell, make it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
How don't you even look at the Pro Bowl stuff?
I don't even I mean, obviously I heard about, you know,
Joe flackgoing and Shadeer Sanders, but I don't even look
at the Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
You gotta at least give Joe a note, man, come
on your Jersey guy after eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, he was in our building last week. I talked
to him because I've known Joe for years because he's
a South Jersey guy. So but yeah, I don't even
get involved in the Pro Bowl stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
It's just funny because once upon a time, you know,
it was the obviously all pros a whole different level
of measurement, but Pro Bowl selections at least still had
some consideration. Now it's kind of like this is where
we got to. And for Shador Sanders. Look, in the end,
you want people to watch TV. If folks are so
mad about his treatment over the last year, maybe they'll
(41:42):
support him in these Pro Bowl games. As we go forward, hey,
as we get ready for a big week and obviously
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Fox Football Sunday. Here the bye week pause, Xale. Get
some of your weekend chores done if you can go outside,
because once again I am watching Duck North Carolina. Here
(42:26):
is where they've got one of their reporters in the
wild here with heavy snow, frigid winds. We've seen the
snow drifts out. Obviously you're there on the East coast.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Greg.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It's been a miserable run this last few weeks. A
lot of school's closed. I note Jeff Schwartz, who's on
the show behind us here countdown to kick offf presented
by bet Engm. He had his kids home from school
pretty much all week.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Well, we have mounds of snow and it's not supposed
to really get above freezing. I mean, at least ten
days out we could have mounds of snow for the
next three months.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You gotta go out and build a couple of snowmen that.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Look, no, no, I'm not going to be doing that past. Fortunately,
I don't have to shovel that because of where I live,
so I didn't have to deal and I wouldn't be
doing that anyway. I was one of those guys Mike
that it was probably, Oh, I don't know. Fifteen to
eighteen years ago. I was out shoveling when I lived
in a different house, and all of a sudden, I
felt something really weird in my heart, you know, because
(43:20):
that's what they say with shoveling. I dropped a shovel,
went inside and told my wife that's the last time
I'm shoveling snow.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well. I was the old Simpsons Mister Plow episode where
they actually have the the ad when he starts running
the plow service, where he says and the inevitable heart
attacks that come with shoveling snow, Yeah, this is why
you have teenagers in your neighborhood. I am a snowblower
and let them use it.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Good for you. Yeah, I didn't have a snow.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Blower shovel down and say no moss.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
But I always paid the kids a little more and
they would come to my house first and that was beautiful.
So yeah, that's the way it worked. But I don't
have to worry about that now because I'm a town
home community and I must admit the they do an
unbelievable job. I mean it's they get it cleaned up
and no time at all. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
See, there you go. That's where part of your dues go.
But yeah, I have a teenager in your house. There's
an enterprise that's nice and easy for him and those things.
But well, just.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't have it.
I don't have it, neither of my daughters or my
house anymore.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I've just given the general ps if you need to
make a couple of extra bucks on the side to support,
you know, your gastronomic delights for the Super Bowl fare
or whatever the case may be. Either way, be safe
out there, folks, wherever you're going, however you're getting around.
We appreciate you making this part of your early Sunday morning.
(44:41):
It's our pleasure to do this each and every week.
Next week, Greg will be up in San Francisco getting
you ready counting down to Super Bowl sixty and gleaning
all those insights over the course of the week, doing
his appearances on Radio Row and of course Thursday with
Colin Cowherd one o'clock issue Eastern Time. I've got that right, right,
(45:02):
that makes sense. That's a standing date for y'all. So,
as Colin always calls it, the best fifteen to twenty
minutes you're gonna get here, we get Greg's brain for
two hours, and we're blessed to do it. We talked
to a bunch of the NFC last hour, obliquely and
kind of quickly with the AFC in the at the
final minutes there and overall, I mean, look, we expected
(45:25):
a defensive game. We just didn't expect quite what it
became as the weather became a bigger factor. Jared Stidham
in at quarterback, we did the full analysis, you laid
it out, and he threw that fifty two yard or
to men's and we're in business and eventually he's able
to pay off the drive. Here's a snapshot going back
to Stidham finding the end zone.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Clock is a ten and a half running scoreless first
quarter in the AFC.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Championship game in Steadham under center, Steadham rolls Towey's right,
crows wide open touchdown, touchdown, heartless, steady on the money.
Officially Jared Stidham a six yard touchdown pass to Courtland Sudden.
You could see it from here. Nobody covered Courtland.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, I would have sold that a little harder to
make my quarterback sound better. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
The touch Steady, you gotta go stitty stitty, not Stidhem.
Stitty stitty.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
One hundred and thirty three, one and one. We'll get
to the interception. We'll get to the fumble. Fumble was
another odd review that we've seen because I kind of
thought he was doing a half push motion forward.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, but it ends up being.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
A play that ultimately kind of decides this game to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
You know. I think one of the most overlooked and
hopefully we'll get into this more next week, obviously, but
I think one of the most overlooked things because of
the quality of the Seahawks defense is the Patriots defense.
It's really good and maybe there aren't the household names
on it that that people think. I mean, I've watched
them all season long, you know, it's really interesting now
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the four teams that played last weekend, they all have
great defensive tackle duos and even trios, and you're gonna
see the same here. You have Barmore, you have Williams
inside for the Patriots. Williams has had a great season.
He was great last year for Philadelphia and he was
great in the Super Bowl for phillyas people might remember.
(47:25):
And Barmore has been really good. And the safeties for
the Patriots to me, the rookie Craig Woodson from cal
and then Hawkins who's been around the league a little bit.
I think those guys have played really well. But you
know that's a defense that's being overlooked right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
The one guy that's gotten his shine because he came
out highly heralded and the injury and was off the
field but now playing at a high level Christian Gonzales
Christian goal. Yeah is Ron a sack and the tackle
for loss six tackles total, five solo in the win
over Denver. Them pressed into action, you have that fumble
(48:02):
that sets up what becomes eventually for the New England Patriots.
Drake May says, you know what, I'll do it myself
and finds his way into the yeah and zone.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
You know. And by the way, that's going to be
a big deal in the game. Drake May has the
most scrambles of any quarterback in the NFL, and that
might surprise people. Maybe it won't, I don't know, but
that's a big factor. And it did not appear, you know,
looking at the tape, it did not appear that the
Broncos did anything specific to deal with the Drake May
(48:36):
scramble element in pure pass situations. I'll be curious to
see what the Seahawks do. They're not really a spy team.
But the great thing about the Super Bowl, Mike, and
you know this is when teams have two weeks, there's
always a few wrinkles that you don't see during the
regular season, you know, because they bring in all their scouts,
they bring in everybody to do tape research and analytics research,
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and you always see a few different things. So I'll
be curious to see. But the scrambling ability, in addition
to the design run ability. The touchdown was a design
run call, but the scrambling ability that's been huge in
a number of games for Drake May.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Sick the day. Eventually they do actually get a field goal,
to go because that was quite uninteresting back and forth
of well we'll try what now that didn't work. Now
it's our turn to dry field goal. No, that didn't work.
And the scrambling ability and the mobility of Drake may
on display just inside of the two minute warning when
(49:38):
well he crossed up even his own guys and didn't
tell him he was going to run as he picks
up the first down to help ice things. But you know,
we talked a little bit the end of last hour,
the decision when you're up seven seven nothing to go
for it and not and Eshue, the field goal opportunity
just seemed to me even in the moment. And again,
(50:00):
hindsight's twenty twenty, so it's now a week discussed. But
as it was going on, it's like you've got your
backup quarterback and you can go up two scores. Forget
about whether it's a touchdown or you know, like you're
going up two scores and your defense has been your
hallmark and what you've been relying on. You've got your
backup quarterback who hasn't played a bunch, and now you're
(50:21):
going to be staked to a two possession lead. Knowing
I mean, we were tracking it Sunday morning, Greg about
the weather and what was coming in. So yeah, they
knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, they knew, they knew it was coming. You know.
That gets back to our previous discussion to me again,
and I'm not going to knock Sean Payton. I think
in those games, you knew it was going to be
a tight game. Both defenses very very good. You're playing
with a backup quarterback. You take the points when they're there.
Like I said, it changes the whole play calling for
(50:56):
the opposing offensive coordinator. And sure Josh McDaniels, you know,
it's not his first rodeo. He's seen an awful lot,
probably seen pretty much everything, but it just changes the
way you go about the game.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, as we watched the game then unfold, we had
a number of missfield goals. The wins really started to
come in. You had the tip ball, you know, on
one attempt and go on down the line becomes a
ten to seven game. You get that duck interception on
desperation just to heave. Didn't need to, but there there
we are inside of a minute and you're able to
(51:30):
kneel it down and finish the job. But you know,
for for Denver, a big year and obviously this week,
now you have this whatever bo Nix's injury is, plus
his history, and he and Sean Payton getting after it
a little bit in the in the press. And look,
I what fights on the sideline. That's fine, like those
(51:52):
are going to happen to the heat of the moment,
guys starting after it. But when your quarterback a week
after a surgery feels compelled that he's got to assemble
the met to address his health, that's not a good
sign for your organization.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
And Cook Shawn's well known. I mean, you know, he
gets very emotional during games. He's super focused, he's leser focused.
You know, he's known to get a little upset. He's
probably not the only one you know that does that.
It just you know, he seems to be shown a
lot more he does it. But he's also a really
good coach. Look, he got that team to the AFC
(52:25):
Championship Game, so he's certainly not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
And Nora's bo Nicks, Well, here's one of my favorites.
Was Lombardi. After being excised from the Denver Broncos staff,
Joe Lombardi. Yeah, yeah, ready, Sean decided to move on,
and I guess that's all there is to say. I
don't think it's ever surprise, not really. I think you
could tell he was in one of those moods right right,
(52:48):
like some changes needed to be made. I guess he
decided one of those changes was me. So I've been
around him long enough to kind of read the tea leaves.
I guess also asked about being scapegoat, because well, we
did get to the AFC title, right right, right, but
the sort of damocles falls on him. So that was
kind of curious in terms of, you know, the run
(53:09):
that they had, the fact that you have Stidham in
that position and pressed into action, but Lombardi still gets
the sword. This coaching hiring cycle has been quite odd,
to say the least.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's again the whole idea
of a head coach, and I don't know the answer
to this. You have to interview people. I'm not part
of that process at all, so I don't, you know,
I don't. I don't question when guys get hired. That's
an easy thing to do. But the way the head
coach thing has played out Mike is pretty much guys
get hired with very few exceptions because they're good play
(53:43):
callers on offense or defense. That seems to be the
way the coaching carousel works now. So the whole concept
of quote unquote leader of men again, whatever that means,
you have to be around someone to know that, you
know that, that's not really it doesn't seem to me anyway.
That doesn't really fall into the criteria for why guys
(54:05):
get hired as head coaches. They kind of get hired
because they're really good, you know, calling either the offense
or the defense. Now, maybe they have great personalities and
maybe they will be leader of men, and certainly when
they go through the interview process, I'm sure they've got
to show some of that. But that's that's the way
candidates are kind of you know, figured out, hey, great
offensive play caller, great defensive coach, that makes him a
(54:28):
good head coach.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
We've got two more openings still out there with yeah,
Arizona and Vegas, and presumptively it's one of these assistants
that's on one of the respective staffs who've certainly heard
Kubiak's name mentioned a bunch.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, it's a tough Both are tough spots because of
the quarterback situation. I mean, you know, still they are.
Kyler Murray is obviously under contract because he signed a
big deal, but he got bench this year basically, So
it's you know, those are they don't seem to be
attractive on the outside, let's put it that way. But
there's only thirty two of them, and somebody's going to
(55:04):
take those jobs.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah, that's been the curious part of all of it, right,
And we'll get into the Cleveland one here in a
couple of minutes as Todd Munkin takes over there. Yeah,
after a number of people declined second interviews and you know,
profiles and whatever else. But Arizona, you also still have
Jacoby Brissett under contract cheaply for another year. That's one
of the curious things that are around the league because
(55:27):
you've got him, You've got mac Jones still has one
more year on a minimal deal with San Francisco. But
certainly some dominoes to fall, and this was the rare
occasion because normally we have the hey, that job's not great,
it'll be up again in two years. And then we
had the outliers at least to this point of Baltimore, Buffalo,
and Pittsburgh that subtenly all became available as well.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, it's been. It's been interesting. You know, it's so
funny when you hire a young guy with no experience
fans pitch and mode. Then you hire Mike McCarthy with
a ton of experiences and fans bitch and moan. So
funny how that works. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's just
part of being a fan. You got a bitch and moan.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
That's it. Let's let's cue up the Harry champin All
My Life's a circle and move on all Greg Cosel
on Twitter find me over at Swollen Dome. As we continue,
we'll talk about the aforementioned Cleveland Browns as they finally
got their man, and we'll hit the rewind button on
a couple of other quarterback situations, one of which you've
(56:26):
heard about a bunch during this Super Bowl run. But
what's the I looking forward? Greg's got that and everything else.
Here it's Fox Football Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
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Speaker 2 (56:57):
Welcome back in Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports A the
pause in your NFL schedule. I had a Super Bowl
sixty next week in Santa Clara beautiful Levi Stadium. Conspiracy
theorists go back to a graphic posted on the NFL's
Twitter account with a cool cartoon of everybody walking towards
(57:19):
the Lombardi Trophy in the middle of the field there
at Levi's and front and center of the thirty two
players represented for their teams. Sam Darnold, Drake, may what
say you, Greg Gozel?
Speaker 3 (57:35):
Well, you know it's funny. I don't think about you know.
I like the whole Donald thing. You know Donald Now
it's had two really good seasons. I know everybody pointed
last year too. I guess the final two games obviously.
I watched those final two games in Minnesota in great detail,
and he had, you know, a couple of bad plays,
but he wasn't as bad as people think overall. I
(57:57):
think this past game against the Rams, I thought he
played at a really high level, and it started with
that first third down where he hit Shaheed for fifty
one yards. Beautiful ball. They chose to play press man
on Shaheed without any safety help over the top. But
just to show you how sick I am, Mike, Okay,
(58:18):
I'm going to give you some some major sickness with
what I do.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
So we do this while you were eating a celebration cupcake.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Well, no, I had one yesterday, and I might with
no football today, I might have to go back and
Noble today, Yeah, and have another one. But so anyway,
the touchdown to Smith and Jigbo when he came out
of the backfield. As soon as I saw that play,
I knew exactly what it was because the first time
that I could remember seeing it and it popped right
(58:44):
into my head was in the twenty sixteen playoffs when
Matt Ryan hit Tevin Coleman with a touchdown. It was
the exact same play. And you know who the offensive
cordner was for the Falcons. That was the year the
Falcons went to the Super Bowl. I believe you know
who the offensive coordinator was for the Falcons that year.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Lay it out for the people.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
Kyle Shanahan. So now we had Kubiak, who comes from
the Kyle Shanahan tree, basically running the same play. What
are we talking nine years later, But that popped into
my head immediately when I saw that play, I said, oh,
that was the same play that that Matt Hasselback hit
Tevin Coleman for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
See all of it ties together. Do you have all
of the family trees, of the coaching trees in giant
frame portraits on your way?
Speaker 3 (59:32):
No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
I do not, kind of like your in the Harry
Popp But you know that.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Always that always fascinates me when I read books, if
you know, if I read some football books, I'm always
fascinated by the coaching connections. You know that, Like for instance,
when Nick Saban his first year after he graduated from
college and he became a GA. I believe at Kent State.
I'm pretty sure it was at Kent State. You know
(59:56):
who the two gas were. It was Nick Saban and
Dom Capers.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
That's a nice idea.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I love that kind of stuff. How these coaches, you know,
you go back thirty forty years and the connections with coaches.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I just say, I'd love to sit in that room
and listen to them talk defense for a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Oh my god, Yeah, let's have some fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Dom Capers there's a name to go back and hit
your Google machine.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
You know, I've had coaches send me like, you know,
sort of game plan stuff, and of course, you know,
I would never talk about that or you know, say
who I'm getting it from, because I would never do that.
You don't do that. But you know they know that
that what I do, so they respect what I do.
And you know, when you see that stuff and fifty
percent of it because of the specific language that they use,
fifty percent of it, I have no idea what it is.
(01:00:40):
But the other fifty percent I can kind of figure out.
You know. It's just it blows me away how detailed
everything is. Now. They probably don't present it to the
players like that, but that's the way the coaches deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I dig the context clues and you ferreting that out.
That's fantastic to be trusted with that stuff and to
help inform how you review things all these years, forty
six years NFL films, you matchup show of the podcast
Love Listening to You with Ross Tucker, and of course
your visits with Colin Coward one o'clock eastern every Thursday
(01:01:11):
appointment viewing. Get a couple of big plays broken down
with the video component here. He's just got a telltale
the pictures with words. That's what we do here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Every picture tells a story.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's what the face has told me all those years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
And there you go. I believe it was a Rod
Stewart a solo album.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yes, but yeah he wasn't Ronnie Wood hanging out on
the you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Know, probably they were big buds. Yeah, they were big buds. Yeah. Yeah,
there you go. Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah. Now I want to go see Russ.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Great album, No great album. Maggie May was on that
album too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
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YouTube and subscribe. We'll get to that Cleveland Brown story
and Todd Monkin coming up in a minute, but first
we've got a man at the news desk. He's a legend.
He's a myth he's a mythical figure, and he's found
his way into the studio this morning. It's our guy,
Isaac Lowen Cron at Isaac Lowan Kron before you find
him in the twitter verse.
Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Hi Buddy, Good morning Mike, Good morning Greg, and speaking
of legends. In the Australian Open Final today, twenty two
year old Carlos Alkaraz defeated Novak Djokovic in four sets,
becoming the youngest men's tennis player to complete the career
Grand Slam. In the NFL, the Las Vegas Raiders have
conducted a second interview with Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint
(01:02:43):
Kubiak for their head coaching job. In the NBA, the
Cleveland Cavaliers are acquiring Dennis Shrewder and Keon Ellis from
the Sacramento Kings for DeAndre Hunter in a three team
deal in which the Chicago Bulls will acquire Dario Sharitch
from Sacramento as well as two second round draft picks.
There's a guy on social media at Yassi Goslin who
(01:03:06):
points out that Dennis Shrewder has now been traded eight
times that side for the second most in NBA history
behind Trevor Ariza with eleven. Finally, a health update on
college football Hall of Fame coach Lou Holts, courtesy of
his son Skip Holtz, who posted a short time ago
(01:03:26):
today quote Dad is eighty nine and he is still
fighting the fight. Only the man upstairs knows how much
time is left on the clock, cherishing the time we
still have together. Unquote again that an update on college
football Hall of Fame coach Lou Holtz via his son
Skip Holtz on social media.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Mike and Greg back to you. Appreciate that. Ilo at
Isaac Low and Coron where you find him. He's still
trying to decompress from the Chargers season, getting ready to
play the City Ac. I'm sorry, buddy, It'll get better,
even though Jesse minterle so yeah, you know, off to Baltimore,
he goes. Lou Halts two forty nine, thirty two and seven,
(01:04:07):
many quotes and quips through the years.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Very funny man. I've seen him do his stick at events.
He's he was hysterically funny, really funny.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Hell of a run. William and Mary Nz State Arkansas, Minnesota,
South Carolina, best of the family, fans and certainly folks
running through those YouTube videos of some of those great
appearances on game day and all those things.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Oh, he's you know, he just has a knack for
the way he spoke and the way he because he
didn't tell jokes in a strict sense, like it wasn't
like a stand up comic, you know, going up to
tell jokes, but he just had a way of telling
stories that just made you laugh and smile.
Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
There he had it. So we got the update from
his son, and you know, I would be remiss Isaac
brought up an NBA trade, Not that we're going to
do a ton of it here on these shows, Greg,
but I missed that. I'm kind of upset that Shruder
gets traded to the Eastern Conference because last time they
played the Lakers, Luka Doncic reminded him of the eighty
four million dollar contract that he left on the table
(01:05:11):
to be a Laker, and it started played into beef,
which is always fun for me when I've sit here
four hours a night watching games live and where there's
a extra juice between guys when they get on the
court to.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Get I always look at the NBA box scores. I
don't necessarily watch a ton of it. I usually watch
a little more college hoops, but I still watch the NBA.
But yeah, I mean Saturdays. Now Saturdays are college basketball.
It's all day long.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, that's it. We got a bunch of games we
had Friday night. Tonight, the NBA back on NBC. We'll
see if we get a we get Round Ball Rock back,
but hopefully we also get maybe a voiceover from Marv
Albert or something somewhere along the way. But we'll figure
that out. Now, let's go to the planet Cleveland. A
number of people decided they did not want the job.
Mike McDaniel had a great intro out here as a
(01:06:00):
h the new offensive coordinator for the Chargers. He eschewed
a second interview and some of the profiles that they
wanted them to fill out. But they finally got their
man in Todd Monkin, and well he had an audience
and got to meet his quarterback. Trying to draft your ass, slash.
It's all worked out. Doesn't remember that right.
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Someday we'll get a chest to talking about that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
They have it meeting Shadoor Sanders remember famously, Baltimore reportedly
and confirmed many times thereafter. I wanted to draft Shadur
in the fifth round, and they were told, nah, we're good,
we don't he doesn't want to go and back up
Lamar Jackson. Okay, fine, Uh. Fast forward in a few
months and now Todd Monkin gets to try to take
(01:06:47):
pro bowler Shodoor Sanders to the next I had to
do that.
Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I have to. It'll be interesting. I mean, they still
have Deshaun Watson, do they not. He's still on the buck. Yes,
it is going to be interesting to see how all
about plays out. I think there's an assumption by many
that your Dre is going to be the starter. He
may well be. We have no idea. He was certainly
up and down playing this year. I mean I think
watching him, you got the feeling that he could certainly
(01:07:13):
play in the league. It wasn't as if he did
not belong. He certainly. I think in line up and
play the question is improvement. For some reason, I think
people are taking the approach that, oh, this guy's a starter,
no questions asked. Maybe it'll turn out that way. I
mean Todd Monkin, you know, he's been around as an
offensive coach and play caller, and he does a lot
with offense. You know, obviously when he was in Baltimore,
(01:07:36):
you're playing to Lamar Jackson. You play to your quarterback.
That's the way it is. So there was still a
lot of heavy personnel. Patrick Ricard, I don't know if
we'll see that in Cleveland. I would bet you're going
to see a lot more three wide receivers because I
think Monkin would ideally like to do more of that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah, and it'll be curious to see, right, because you
have the other potential fallout of whether Jim Schwartz hangs
around or not. Oh yeah, so you've got that Miles
Garrett posting the instagram of the sad uh I think,
what is it? Popeyes er KFC worker on the bench
who looks like the world has just taken him. So
you got that going. So a little unrest, but it
(01:08:15):
wouldn't be Cleveland without it. Now would have Greg cos
Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
He's a really good coach. I had an opportunity when
he was in Philly to talk with him a little bit.
You know, he's a little keeps things kind of close
to the vest, but I know in offensive coaches I've
spoken to over the years feel that he is one
of the most difficult decoordinators to play against, particularly when
you get the third down and pure pass situations. That
(01:08:41):
what he does. He likes to play a lot of man,
but he also he's one of those guys that there's
a lot of sort of muddied, dirty looks on the
back end that you're kind of uncertain what it is.
And you know, in this league, Mike, if the quarterback
just has half a beat of uncertainty, the defense normally wins.
So he's gonna end up somewhere. He's too good, whether
(01:09:01):
it's Cleveland or somewhere else, He'll end up somewhere. He's
a really good defensive coach.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Now, there were a couple of minutes where I thought
we really could have had one of the best coaching
triumvirates that we could put in a room together. Chris
O'Leary eventually becomes the defensive coordinator for the Chargers Western Michigan.
But the idea that we might have had, and this
was my fever dream. McDaniel comes in as OC Schwartz's
DC with Jim Harbaugh at the Helm and we were
(01:09:29):
for the history of Harbaugh and Schwartz. But let's put
them in a room together. We get a comedy out
of it. I get at least one season of eight
on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Right, right, right, Yeah, I don't know. Obviously, I don't
know much about O'Leary coming from college, so I can't
speak about him at all. But you know, it's it's interesting,
you know, you get these young coaches. I'm totally in
favor of that. I mean, you know, everybody needs that opportunity.
You know, it's easy to say, oh, you're bringing a
guy in with no experience. Well, you know there was
a time that you know, Belichick had no experience either.
(01:10:01):
Nick Saban had no experience either. You have to have
these guys start somewhere, and sometimes it's good to bring
a new young blood with a different approach and we'll see. Obviously,
people wait for the results and then that's what they do.
They once they have access to the results, they make
their decision. But I kind of like giving these guys
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Well, I think we talk about the coaching trees, we
talk about some of the decisions that have been made,
and you know, when McVeigh gets a job, I remember
Al Davis did this all these years ago with Madden
and Gruden and Mike Tomlin was a young guy when
he took over for Bill Cower there in Pittsburgh. Grant
Judinsky is one of the guys who got some interviews
(01:10:42):
this cycle. What is he twenty nine to thirty there
in Jacksonville. He's going to stay on as their OC.
But you start to see they're looking at the NFL
from a different prism, right at different lines. We'll get
to Minnesota and what they've got to figure out as
we continue here on Fox Sports Radio. But you know, well,
you're trying to see it through a different set of eyes,
kind of like we were talking about the Hall of
(01:11:04):
Fame and discussions of that ILK and how you place
players and try to rank across generations when the game
is just so vastly different. The same thing here of all, right,
how do you find the next great innovation in offense?
Now everything old can be new again. As we saw
some resurgence the last couple of years of just going
to the run game. You mentioned Ricard in Baltimore. They
(01:11:26):
stayed with that US check still in San Francisco and
in a few other places where you go that or
you have the thirteen personnel and get heavy that way,
but you know, for these guys and eventually you got
to find your next round of coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because I
always think of what you said about innovation with offense.
I always think of that almost like music, because music
everything is somewhat derivative. You know, even the new bands
that come out and people say, oh wow, that's a
great sound. You know, I guarantee if you spoke to
the band, they tell you that, oh, you know, listen
to this. We listen to that, and then we tried
to put our spin on it, you know, so it
(01:12:03):
might sound a little different, but in many ways it's derivative.
It's the same with these young guys like I'm very
curious to see Sean mannon and Philly based on his background.
He's been with McVeigh. I mean, he's been with a
lot of people, so you're going he's going to take
a lot of that now. I'm sure he has some
ideas of his own. They all do, you know that
they live it, you know, twenty four seven, three sixty five.
(01:12:24):
But it's not as if he's going to be coming
up with something that's never ever been seen or done before.
It's just maybe he packages it a little differently because
he's got some ideas. So in many ways, it's all derivative.
You know. The one thing that I find fascinating is,
you know, there's a lot of younger I don't want
to call them kids, younger people now, who are you know,
(01:12:44):
breaking down film, doing tape work, and more power to him.
I love that there's more and more. You know, some
people say I was the one that started at because
I started matchup in nineteen eighty four. But when some
of these you know, twenty eight twenty nine year olds
say things like, oh god, I've never seen that before,
and I think, think to myself, you're twenty eight. I've
seen it a thousand times, you know. You know, but
(01:13:05):
it's great that there's more and more of it because
that's the game. The game is between the lines, you know.
The coaching tape tells you what's really happening with the game.
Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Fantastic stuff. Talk about Declan Doyle going from Chicago to Baltimore, Right,
I love this stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yeah, give these guys an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Another young guy, Ian Cunningham, goes down to Atlanta leaves
the Bear like the Bear staff that's a whole other
conversation for another time, maybe the week fin.
Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
And Cunningham was in Philly for a couple of years too,
so we worked, you know, under Howie Roseman, who obviously
has done a really good job as a GM. So
I mean, you know, let these guys get an opportunity. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
And you mentioned Sean Manion. He gets to go work
with pro bowler Jalen Hurts. See what it all comes
back to.
Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Yeah, and you know what sometimes quarterbacks, you know, I
mean even look at Matthew Stafford. Okay, he goes to
you know, late in his career, he goes to the Rams.
I guarantee McVeigh with his whole approach challenged him in
a different way than he'd been challenged before. There's nothing
wrong with bringing in a new coach. And I said
that because maybe Sean Mannon comes in and challenges Jalen
(01:14:08):
Hurts in a way that he hasn't been challenged. There's
nothing wrong with that.
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We'll talk about that as we continue. He's great. Go
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Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
You're listening to Fox Sports where we go.
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Wondered?
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got a full week. You're going to descend upon San Francisco.
(01:16:06):
You leave it today, you're going later in the week.
Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
What do we got I'm leaving on Tuesday, Tuesday morning,
I'm flying out, all.
Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Right, A couple more days for the deep for us
to go away. Yeah, yeah, to get ready for your
time out out on the on the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Well, I started watching. I've started to watch some college tape,
you know, just because there's fewer NFL games, so I
get through that earlier in the week. So I've done.
You know, I've done nine receivers that I'm done with,
so you know, my opinion won't change on those nine
receivers because I've done all the research in detail, and
a couple of quarterbacks I've looked at. Simpson Mendoza. Probably
(01:16:42):
will see them more just because they're big names. But
now I'm starting the draft process. Mike, it's that time.
Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yeah, you sent me a couple of examples of the
the long, long analysis that you do. So dratted that newsletter.
Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I take that a little seriously. Yeah, maybe he can
help me out there. We can start the newsletter.
Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Well, let's let's work on that and see how we
departmentalize and get those video clips up and go viral.
As the kids say. I'm Ty Simpson making the rounds
a little bit in the news this week, saying he
didn't want to hurt his quote unquote legacy by transferring instead.
Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
An Alabama guy, I guess Alabama. He's an interesting guy watched.
I've watched his stape in detail. I obviously had some
up and downs later in the season, but he's a
very interesting guy to watch. And they ran really NFL
core concepts, so you saw him have to deal with
NFL core concepts. You know, it wasn't just RPOs or
(01:17:40):
you know, back shoulder fase. I mean he was throwing
deep digs in the middle of the field. You know,
the kinds of things you see every week in NFL games.
Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Can't wait to do the deep dives as we head
towards the draft in April. Combine all of that fun
stuff we had the Senior Bowl yesterday. Nuss Meyer ends
up being the MVP, a guy who had the topsy
turvy world that he did. But we'll do that in earnest,
coming up in a couple of weeks once we put
this NFL season to bet.
Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
You have the combine as well. Mike.
Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah, that's my god.
Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
I love that. That's one of my favorite trips.
Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, I'm just gonna bug you literally so I can
hear all the conversations that you're having. One guy that's
still got some questions, right, So ty Simpson will be
asking the has he had enough starts? Well, JJ McCarthy,
the topsy Turvy year that he had from Minnesota, Quezia
Dolfa Menza fired after four years, the no Pro bowlers
(01:18:32):
the draft analysis only one hundred and seventy two combined
starts from all the draft picks that they had, and
obviously McCarthy and the question of whether Sam should have,
shouldn't have Daniel Jones went and took his shot in
Indianapolis either way, a lot of back and forth in
terms of the front office and Kevin O'Connell in terms
(01:18:54):
of the quarterback position. Go through a tough year. Justin
Jefferson now doing podcast going, yeah, wish we could run
that back. That's not helping things.
Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
So it's the immediate gratification thing. Look, I'll be the
first to admit I did not love JJ McCarthy's tape
coming out of Michigan. So and and that's all it
is for me. It's just tape. But I think you
have to give that time now. Maybe Look, they're with
him every day, so they know better than I clearly.
But the point is it was really his first year
(01:19:25):
playing because he didn't play at all as a true rookie,
and then he got hurt, so he was in and
out of the lineup. I don't think that we without
being there, Okay, I don't feel that I can actually
make a true evaluation of JJ McCarthy for his entire career.
So you know, they may feel that he has a
chance to be a really, really good player. If they
(01:19:45):
feel that way, then you know, what he's your starter
this year. If they don't feel that way, well I
guess we'll find out by what they do in the
off season.
Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, we've seen the rumors starting to percolate. I mentioned
Matt Jones earlier as to whether maybe he's that guy
last year right about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
But the fact that Jefferson went and made made public
first time I've really remembered hearing his voice. So the
fact that that becomes a little bit of a thing,
because clearly, uh, if we do the body language reading, Greg,
it made for an interesting end of the year.
Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Sure did either way.
Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Safe travels, my friend. We will talk to you for
Super Bowl.
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