Mike Harmon & Kerry Rhodes Talk NFL Preseason and More!

Mike Harmon and Kerry Rhodes talk about Kerry’s training camp experiences and how guys do camp now, thoughts on the difference in how college players are perceived when they go pro, favorite football movies, FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan joins the show, thoughts on the latest Deion Sanders shenanigans, Magic Johnson fires back at Anthony Edwards, and more!

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Great radio. Hey greetings and welcome in. It's a beautiful
Fox Sports Sunday. Little odd timing for me. Some of
you may be jarring to hear my voice at this
time of day. I'm ubiquitous. I'm everywhere. I am forever more.
Mike Harmon alongside the legend East Carry Rhoads at Carrie
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(00:23):
retired football player and Fox Sports contributor is how he
tags himself. He's got a YouTube link up there so
you can check that out as well, music and everything
else has got going on. It's been a minute, buddy,
how are you man? It's great to see you, man,
great to hear your voice with me. I hear you
all the time.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I like two ships passing in the night. Usually I
see you coming in and out. But always a great
time when we get on the mic together and get
to share some time. Man. So it's a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now we get into our football fun and excitement. I
heard the guys Chris and Bo along with Martin and
Steve and Rich all doing their divisional previews for the AFC.
The least amount I've ever heard Steve Hartman talk. He
joked about it on air, and I just have to
reiterate it here. As he's getting into his car and
driving away, I was like, wow, like very very generous

(01:09):
with the microphone.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, I don't know what got into him when you
told me the story. When I walked in, I was like,
I just I was flabbergasted. So to actually see him
when we walked in and you know, he got some word.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Sound like like he didn't sound like he was, you know,
con nursing a colder.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
No, he was, he was legit. He just he was
being generous. So we got we gotta, you know, acknowledge
those days when they come.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
There, you go just like everybody should have acknowledged their
tribal chief yesterday in Ireland. We'll talk about that in
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Speaker 2 (01:49):
We're watching the end of a preseason game, so congratulations,
as they say, on a job done Titans with a
three point lead inside the final minute, Saints doing there
two minute drill. It's all fun and exciting. So I'm
gonna start here with you, Carrie, because we've watched a
lot of the preseason, and one of the shifts that
we've seen is back into starters. Yes, what'spon a todd

(02:12):
a little bit of a cup of coffee, and then
we'd always have game three. Right, you're playing career, all right,
and you meet you're on first team. It's like, all right,
I know I'm gonna play week three. So it's the
ramp up. Not that everybody's not in shape, like you
can't do that, Like you're working another job as the
milkman or meat delivery like they were in Chicago back
in the day, or running running uh booze and and

(02:35):
everything else into bars, shaking hands, kissing babies. Well just well,
I mean that's you want to go take it way back.
I was more thinking, you know, when my parents were
growing up back in the you know, the stockyards or
whatever else, you'd run into players in the offseason, regardless
of sport, doing other job. Yes, yes, right, so they
might not do a lot of the actual handling of

(02:55):
the dolly with beer, but they'd be alongside shaking the
hand of the bar our owner and as the delivery
is getting sorted out, or maybe they'd actually bring you
your meat delivery. All that I got sucked into an
old food truck race where they ended up in Chicago,
So I might start speaking a little more Chicago East today,
slipping into my southside. Because Ditka showed up and he

(03:17):
called guys. He told a couple of guys they stunk,
which was great, which was it was just perfect stuff.
But just the idea that you come in and you
ramp up to that and then it went away right.
Sean McVeigh had success, just say what are we doing?
Why are we doing this? And it looked like we
were getting into a new world order. But that seems
like one year contracts in the NBA. That was just quick.

(03:39):
We did that a couple of times and now we're done.
Nude cbas He's here's where the dollars go. And but
for football, we're back into this sequencing and some of
it might be legitimate job battles. Yeah, the rest of
it becomes a riddle me, this batman, tell me exactly
why why we the pendulum swung back so far.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I think there is a level of attrition that's
needed for a football player to actually get into football shape.
So when I say attrition, when I say, you know,
you have to do something a lot of times to
be really good at it. That's what we had back
in the day, right, So we have the two a
day camp, so so even the tu a day camps, right,

(04:22):
and actually tackling people to the ground, like you had
to get acclimated to the physical nature of football. It's
unlike any other thing. You cannot ease back into it.
So in that time, you could probably say, and I would,
I would, I would really think that the stats would
probably suggest that going through that process, going through the

(04:43):
physical nature of it, tackling to the ground, really practicing
playing in preseason games, I bet you those guys didn't
get as get hurt as much as they do now. Right.
So I'm a proponent of that, like really getting there,
getting the work done, playing a little bit here and there.
I know, like you say, like myself and other starters,
we wouldn't play the first couple of games, but the
third preseason game we played a half. Like we didn't

(05:05):
play one or two series. We play a half and
sometimes even to the third quarter to get that game shape,
to get that body going and getting used to the contact.
So I'm a fan of that. I'm not a fan
of the new ways trying to watch the other bodies
and try to take care of them because it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It's curious, right, because I go back when I was
doing a lot of training camp running around when I
lived down the East Coast. You'd have two days and
it would break at the end of the morning, and
you know, the beat riders and everybody else be like, hey,
you're coming back in the afternoon, Like, are you kidding me?
They're all gonna be mad and angry. It's one hundred
and five degrees. They haven't they didn't do a lot
of hitting in the morning. But I saw what the

(05:44):
sheets said. The call sheet says they're gonna be beating
the hell out of each other. So yeah, it's it's
gonna be more towards what we're looking for and where
the coaches are finding that delineation between guys. But we
also have, you know, more of these joint practice such sessions.
So it looked like the preseason was teetering towards the

(06:04):
Hey we're gonna get the big knockout blow. We were
talking a lot of boxing before we came on here,
so you were gonna get the knockout blow. So it's like, oh,
let's just go to twenty games and just be done with.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
It, and think about the joint practices. You're so arm
redoing those as well, because there's a point of you
hit each other so many times that you want to
take that out on somebody else. Sure, and so you
have that energy. But also just take for an instance,
my rookie year. Right, my rookie year, we always have
the inner mural thing with the Giants, So either we'd

(06:32):
go up there or they'd come to us doing training camp.
You don't want to go anywhere. You get up super early.
I think we got up to end up going to
the Giant's practice facility. We left our place around like
four point thirty. We're angry, and so you get it.
So you get there and it's time to practice and
go against a different color and you're not supposed to

(06:52):
hit in these things, like you're still supposed to take
care of each other and whatever. We were literally out there.
It was like a blood bath and fights. Jeremy Shaki myself,
Amani toned like, hey, go back and look him up.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Folks, if you forgot you love the current crop of
tight Ends, your Kittles and Kelsey's or whatever. Let's turn
it back what fifteen twenty years at this point when yeah, sorry.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I didn't mean.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I didn't mean to do that to you. I do
that to myself often enough. But for Jeremy Shaki, he
was in that that transition of so there's a lot
to it, and unfortunately his body broke down a lot,
a lot earlier than the spirit did. Yes, but back
in the day, you weren't going to get cheated.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Man. It was one of those matchups I looked forward to.
I mean a lot of one on one guys matchups
I had with great tight Ends. But early on, man,
Jeremy Shaki was was a dog, and I mean even
going back to his Miami days, it was it was fun.
I like Saki a lot, No, but that was.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Like one of those guys that did both. Because now
you're more a specialist, you do a little bit of blocking.
Some of the guys are still really good. Yeah, I'm
not going to try to you know, I've seen guys
go down the road of talking about Kittle or whatever,
and they just make it clear they're.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Reading box scores.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
But it's just that idea that we do have special specialists,
just like we do in baseball when we start getting
into the bullpens. And we've been talking a lot about
the playoff and stretcher on and what you need for that. Likewise,
as we get towards this NFL season, starting to see
that parsed out. But it's just an interesting swing back.
Whether it's the Steelers and their quarterback quote unquote competition.

(08:27):
I think there's a camera on. I'll do the air
quotes for it. It's Russell's job, and him getting hurt
on a blocking sled probably made it more his job,
at least to start. I think there's a sense of, wow,
we can't really bench a guy if we have a
quarterback running around doing sled work. Do you ever see
a guy do sled work that was a quarterback?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, no, no, no no, which is why you hurt himself.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
But now you've got the battle between he and fields,
and we'll talk about that a little later on, but
you've got those circumstances. Otherwise, you've got presumed starting units
taking full reps and running through and it's refreshing. It's
also I think in the NFL and the invisible hand,
the old Adam Smith economics philosophy of we still sell

(09:11):
a lot of tickets. We still got a lot of
people in the corporate boots. These are still televised. We
still have to put on a show. No disrespect to
the guys that are going to be looking for putting
tape on for other teams.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
We had a good chance, Jason and I to talk
to Raheem Mostert a little over a week ago. I
was like a guy who's well traveled, go look up
his history, check out the podcast of that. It was
a fascinating, fun conversation. But talking about his history, the
number of teams he traveled to, and he just started
talking about training camp and these preseason games of very much.

(09:44):
I may not make it here, and this is what
every guy has to do when they step on the field.
I may not be the guy here. And even if
I had a contract and I thought I was safe,
you know what I might not be, which means I
got to put something on tape that thirty one other
potential employers still think I can play.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, and for hand it was his speed.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I mean, you think about the number of injuries and
teams he's traveled to and now he's coming off in
eighteen touchdown seasons, figuring out the pecking order with the Dolphins,
but just very much that of well, we get to
see a lot of tape of guys going wow, I
don't know how much I like this team. We also
don't know what they're trying to achieve in each of
those sets. As much as we love, hey, put points

(10:23):
on the board, go win a preseason game, there's fifty
subplots within that locker room.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, I mean, yes, the importance of preseason definitely differs
from team to team. Now, the main goal and the
main objective in preseason is to ramp up and make
sure you're clicking for game one, right, that's the whole process.
Different coaches have different ways of handling that. You know,
like I said, my time, very physical. We're going to

(10:50):
do it like we're gonna do it in the game
regular season. It all matters, right. There's also levels of
that where the ramp up is to protect certain players
and so know the reps for them would be cut down.
They would have some veteran days in there, so it's
just a it just depends on what team, what philosophy,
and you go from there. I'm, like I said, I'm
an old school believer in actually doing the work. And

(11:10):
I don't mind that because if I'm gonna do it,
I want the next man to do it as well.
And I want to have that type of chemistry in
the locker room because you start putting tears and different
you know, different things for different guys, and that can
that can cause fissures and fractures in the locker room.
So I'm a strong proponent and everybody doing it this
is us. Whatever I ask, let's all do it together.

(11:31):
So that's me.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
See, I thought that was one of the more interesting
things that Hard Knocks. I wanted more honest reactions on
the faces when guys had to go up and talk
about their signing bonuses and stuff. Yeah right, Caleb says his,
and then you have the other guy. I got five
grand exact. And as interesting as Hard Knocks has been
for me being a Bears fan, they haven't really given
me a whole lot. The ice Cream Museum in Chicago

(11:54):
might be a place I visit. I'm glad that they
shut it down for DJ Moore and his family.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I went to and went to New York. There you go.
It was beautiful too. You gotta check it out, all right.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
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twenty five Roads. He's got the best eats uh in
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(12:27):
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Speaker 3 (13:28):
Just about to say, man, I gotta get a shout
out to Dan Bayer, my running mate. Man. I know
he's gone. He's hitting some golf balls out there back home,
so you know, with some with some fun and have
some get back.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Hurry up, he's saying golf balls. I was sitting in traffic, going,
am I gonna be late? They're gonna be late. I
know the team would be would take care of it.
Maybe you'd monologue, maybe you'd sing a song for sure,
I don't know. Well, whatever the case may be, now
I teased the head the words you don't want associated
with your college football team in September, and it goes

(14:00):
like this, at least it's now a twelve team playoff,
because that means you showed up. You got waxed. In
this case, you lose by three, but you're Florida State
coming off undefeated season. A lot of you know, ill
ill feelings towards that decision, how are we left out?
And all the anger and vitriol that go through, and

(14:22):
then you go and you go to Ireland and you
end up giving this game up and Georgia Tech comes
and it takes it from you in dramatic fashion, and
immediately it turns to, let's look at the rest of
the schedule. At least it's twelve teams because from an
identity crisis standpoint, they got run over and run around yesterday.

(14:46):
So that's one thing you're already exposed. Might be too
strong a word, but you gave up a game where
you're a double digit favorite, and that was the theme
of yesterday's game. If you bet all the dogs, you're
feeling pretty good at nice four team parlay that took
you over, So that's fun and exciting, but for college
football as we transition to this next phase. Look, there's

(15:09):
still never anything as a quote good loss in college
football because your margin of error is still razor thin.
Conference of the realignment, We're gonna try to figure this out.
It's something you and I went back and forth on
yesterday when we talked about rankings and even any of
the magazine Jubbai I Live and Die by by Phil Steele.
It's very dog eared. I went and got the giant

(15:30):
glasses with the lights so I can magnify everything like
I do when I want to get a card graded.
It's like, how's that quarter look? Same thing here? I
need to see what that backup running back stats were.
That's coming in out of whatever high school. I can't
even read his name. Is it Henderson, is it Johnson?
I don't know, but it's that idea. All of that

(15:51):
information gets cycled out so fast. I thought it was
funny last week where we have Gundy and others saying, hey,
you know what the business part of it's over time
for football. Yep, it is, but that door never closes.
It just has to go percolate in another room.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Right, Yeah, No, the preseason ranking stuff we were talking,
we were talking yesterday, going back and forth, and I
hate them. I know it's fun, I know it's glamorous.
It gives gives a lot of people a lot of
things to do, right, so you.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Got to get fired up about it. Where do we right?
Where do we stand? I mean, what are those what
are the local radio hosts going to talk about? If
not breaking down the new recruits?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
The five stars, the four stars, what happened on other rosters,
how much they hate another coach, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, but how are you even keeping up with that?
Right now? It's so much movement, the transfer A portal
is alive and well and kicking really really really really strongly,
and so it's hard to even know what that what
that looks like. And then it's just like anything else
you think about, all the basketball, the NBA, the NFL. Right,
you get all these big name players, these big name transfers,
doesn't mean it's going to translate to success. And so

(16:55):
the numbers they're putting up in certain places can be
exaggerated because the team isn't good, or it could be
in a situation where they're being fed the ball more
than more than normal. And so until you get into
an organization and on a team and actually we get
some chemistry and we get to see it on the field,
you don't know how it's gonna translate. So when you
say Florida State's a top ten team, are they? Though,

(17:19):
that's what I'm mean. But that's always the beauty of it.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
As a guy growing up in the Midwest, how many
teams did I see of Notre Dame year after year
ranked top ten?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Were they a top ten team?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
But by reputation by the little stars next to the players' names,
based on recruiting services, And obviously all of that is streamlined,
and that flow of information is a lot easier now, right,
And we could put eyes on so much more of
this stuff. My daughter plays, you know, some high level
women's girls.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know what we're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
We're at that tweener point kind of thing right between
girls and women's But like most of those games are streamed.
If you get access to the not on stream beast, yeah, no,
no so, but those like if you care across the
country recruiting purposes or whatever, you can find it. If
you're just a girl soccer junkie, you know where the

(18:11):
big tournaments are or AAU basketball, sure, the flag football,
seven on seven, whatever you can find it like, it's
out there if you want to devote your time to it.
But to your point, just trying to see how it's
going to mix, which is again maybe some of the
free agency in a whole different way for the NFL.
Why guys are getting back on the field during these

(18:34):
preseason games just to get a little bit of continuity,
new quarterback behind an offensive line and as we know,
I mean those get jumbled so fast anymore, those front five. Yeah,
that trying to gain some semblance of feel is such
a huge thing. But for college football, like it's always
been the fun, the debate, and now with all of

(18:54):
these shuffling up of conferences, trying to translate how a
team is going to work moving from the Pac twelve
rest in Peace, to the Big ten to the Big twelve,
et cetera. I mean, it's a fun game of chess,
right trying to figure out Colorado, which we've got so
much else going on with Dion, But just from a

(19:15):
team standpoint, are they better served where they are versus
the final year of the Pac twelve where everybody went
out with a bang. It's like, Wow, why do we
got to break them up? Because everybody's actually playing well?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
The Big Ten now deeper and deeper. How soon can
my Northwestern team be slotted for relegation?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
That was the joke people made a couple of years ago.
But now you've got Oregon coming in in Ohio State
and Ryan Day is he on a hot seat or
is that a complete fabrication by media members or is
the truth somewhere they're in right, all of that and
it's great talking fodder, but again, they've got to go
perform on the field for what sixteen games now war

(19:56):
of attrition. So now it's an NFL season, and it's
what we've always talked to and you and I doing
the shows as we have for the years watching the NBA.
Right load management, as much as you can use it
as a pejorative term. I need the guys in April,
May June if I'm an NBA team right Likewise, for
the NFL, I was going to use the Patriots as

(20:16):
an example of that feeling out period for all those years,
because you're one of the few organizations that had stability.
We've got so few that you say the coach, the
GM decision makers coordinator. This year half the coordinators plugged
out on the offensive and defensive side. I think it's
thirty one total. In the NFL have a new court,

(20:37):
not necessarily guys that are new to the team, but
who have the coordinator job. So just that is going
to take some time and work to get used to.
So all that to say is just grab some popcorn.
If yesterday, week zero, day one is evidence of anything.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well, but we still got twelve teams getting in that spot.
So you know, if they win the rest of their
how many games they left twelve?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're trying to sell Florida State fan now you're trying
to bring them back.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yes, because I want our winter when we beat them,
you know, to have some type of substance for sure.
Let's see, when when do you got them? I think
we probably have them like the middle of the year.
Usually it's around in the middle time.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
There, No, I think, if I'm looking at this right,
I don't think you get them this year.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
No.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Wow, Well, you know, let's see, we got BC, we
got Memphis, we got cal we got s MU, we
got Clemson, Duke Miami North Carolina noted Dame and then.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
The final two Florida.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Now I'm getting served all sorts of ads which are
screwing up my ability to see here. Charleston Southern is
the second to last.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
So there you go. Okay, so FLA say so nowhere
about it. Yeah, they can do what.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
They need to do. I appreciate that. There you go
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update on everything going on in our sporting universe, including
a celebration for being the worst team possible. Because if
you're gonna fail failed spectaculary, my White Sox, it's our guy,

(22:54):
Martin Weiss.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
What's up? Oh man?

Speaker 7 (22:56):
You know, I actually did have an al Central update.
That's the one division in which you got three teams
and all have a legitimate shot to still win it.
Carry I'll just give you an update. The White Sox
not one of those. Not one of those. They're on
track to be the worst team in baseball. And actually
her great advice earlier today on The Countdown the Kickoff
show of by Jeff Schwartz. He bets against the White

(23:18):
Sox whoever they're playing, he bets them on the run
line every single day.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah no, the fate has been remarkable.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
So Carrie, if this works out, the White Sox is
going to lose like some close to one hundred and
ten games.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Sh Well, they're at one hundred as of today, thirty one.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
And one hundred, so, like I said, one hundred and fifteen.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Take it. I was gonna say, that's taking a winning
streak in here, Martin.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
That ain't coming.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Grady Sizemore is gonna look like a president at the
end of his term after managing for forty five gigs.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Well, when you give a you give a fourteen hits
to the Tigers, who were one of the most the
worst offenses in baseball.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Uh, yeah, that'll get it done.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Thirty one and thirty one and one hundred, the White
Sox eighteen and four forty seven at home? Carry Did
you think he lost forty seven games in your NFL
career Jets show?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Oh, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Sorry, I'm programmed. I mean that's my that's my week.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Week he had, Yeah, that and the hosts are ready
to go. But he did. Yeah, ready for that one.
That You know what that is. That's just a defense mechanism,
That's what it is. That's what that is.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Because we have just talked about my team losing one
hundred games.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I'm lounded. I don't care. I actually played on that.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm trying to get a jersey off one so I
should be nicer.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
Tigers meet the White Sox nine to four, and other
more relevant Al Central scores.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
The Guardians are.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Definitely by a half game over the Royals and the Twins.
Guardians meet the Rangers four to two, Phillies three to
eleven over the Royals, Cardinals three to two over the Twins.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
While we're talking about here a normal co host.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Jason Smith, the Mets right now they won nothing lead
as they're trying to fight for the NL wild card.
They lead the Padres one of nothing, top of the fourth,
Giants over the Mariners two to one, bottom of the fourth,
raise Dodgers still scoreless bottom of the fifth, and in
the bottom of the fourth and in the Athletics.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Have a three to two lead over the Brewers.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
Had some preseason football earlier today the Titans and the Saints.
Will Levis what's got the start in preseason game three?
Surprises And see a starter out there right now seven
for eight for him one hundred and eighteen yards passing
Spencler Rattler seven for thirteen, one hundred and five yards
through the air and a touchdown. I'll tell you this
is Spenceraler. Ratler was a Day one or two pick.
People would be going crazy over the way his preseason

(25:30):
has gone so far. He has been balling Saints lose
thirty to twenty seven. In progress currently the Broncos fourteen
Cardinals non four point thirty left in the second quarter.
No bow Knicks, no Kyler Murray for either one of
these teams. Zach Wilson getting the Lion's chair of the work.
So far, He's got fifty eight yards passing at twenty
one yards rushing.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
It took a wicket shot at the goal line. I
don't know if he knows. I guess he's playing for
a job.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
Audrick Estimae with the touchdown for the Ronco's there and
Zach Wilson with one touchdown passing elsewhere in the NFL.
Jamar Chase practice today in Cincinnati, his first practice as
he's still in search of a new contract. He's been
sitting out for pretty much all A camp. Miami Dolphins
releasing quarterback Mike White. Skyler Thompson at the quarterback number
two behind Tua Tongue by LOA and UH. Conflicting reports

(26:19):
here so and earlier today the Los Angeles Rams, it
was reported they granted starting linebacker Ernest Jones from Missis
Tozeka trade. About an hour ago, Ernest Jones tweeted, I
did not ask for a trade.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh no, sources, man, say sources exactly, so a bunch
of nonsense.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
We'll see how that goes. But I'm pretty sure confirmed here.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
The Rams have released running back Boston Scott, so Boston's
got them, not tweet I have not been released.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I think we're good. We're good on that front.
We're good. That notice did come through, not yet. I'll
keep you updated. I'm here all day back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah. The spots of Rattler thing though, is an interesting process,
right obvious. It's highly touted and we watched him in college.
For me, I've been keeping an eye on the the
Derek car because he's got a lot of apologies. You
can stay with us here Martin if you want here,
because you got your Spencer Rattler. Uh yeah, antenna is yeah,
but it's it's the idea with Derek Carr, a lot
of defenders, not just his brother. And I'm gonna get

(27:19):
blocked by the rest of the family just for bringing
this up. He's an average quarterback. He's average, right for sure,
That's what he is at this point. Are you winning
with him?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Why the Raiders didn't go and try to figure out
some in out, figure out who pay is what, and
bring Derek Carr back to make DeVante Adams happy for
one more year. I don't know Ratler.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Play after three preseason games. I'm ready to do it.
Are you ready to do it? Vegas? Antonio Pierce, get
on the phone.

Speaker 7 (27:48):
Minnesota interested in the vet, Get on the phone.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
No sources to any of this. It's just a recognizing
who you are and what you are, and what that
quarterback is. They've got an out on his contract after
next year.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
And what really matters to me in this conversation with
both of those guys, Rattler and you talk about about Nicks,
I thought both of those guys were going to be
trash in college. So they started at their their respective
places that they were at first. You know, Nix and Auburn,
Rattler in Oklahoma, and you saw those guys play and
they had so much buzz, both of them coming into college.

(28:24):
I saw them play and Auburn Boat Knicks could not
complete a pass for ten yards down the field, and
when I saw, I was like, these guys aren't going
to be good. Then you go to a different location,
in a different spot.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's just did right. It's all about and that's why
we keep seeing. I had someone asking me, you know,
if Trey Lance, is he gonna end up somewhere else
kind of going off, and it's like there's still enough
of those traits that it's like the next offensive genius
wants to try to fix. Sam Darnold being the great
example in Minnesota, right, you saw enough. He's still young.
I mean, think about his age compared with some of

(28:55):
these guys that came into the draft. What is he
a year and a half older?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
A year old?

Speaker 7 (28:59):
Panic and next year the example, I mean, nixt You're right,
his freshman year it was rough. It wasn't really until
Oregon I was like, wait a minute, Okay, this guy's
a pro for special rally.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
The thing I find fascinating was super high recruit. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
The guy he ended up getting benched for was the
guy who was the Heisman winner just a few years
later and then the eventual number one overall pick. And
in this transfer portal world, he didn't exactly get to
the best spot in South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
You have to wonder what it would have been.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
Like if Spencer Ratler, for example, had done a Jalen
Hurts where he ended up getting benched by a guy
like Nick Saban and then going and playing for a
guy like Lincoln Riley, obviously getting best by Lincoln Rallley,
but going on and playing for I don't know, Jim
Harbar whoever they would have could have been an entirely
different story for Radley.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
But it goes back to the larger backdrop of this.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So there's gonna be a documentary series coming out about LSU. Okay,
They've got a bunch of the heavyweights, angel Rees being
one of them in terms of the nil money. Okay, Right,
So I think Daniels is part of it, Like I
think there's Livy done, Livy done, and then j I
think is the fourth. So I think the four of
them gave it like kind of the behind the scenes.

(30:06):
I'd love to see it with some of the non
name people as well. But you wonder how much in
the background for a lot of these guys, and I'm
not casting his spursion of the people around Rattler or whatever,
but to where maybe something did them a disservice in
that part of the process, because that's a new part.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Of the game.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Right, It was always there in the shadows, right, I
mean we all know that, and anybody that's doing come on, man,
you just showed me something that had to be during
your college. No, but it's it's just that we all
recognized how how it all worked, even you know, the
great John Wooden and UCLA. I mean, the stories are

(30:42):
there for decades, but it's now front and center and
they're trying to put the guardrails up. We still see
Kirk Farnce and Jim Harball and these recruiting things and
and the Michigan thing at this point, like he ain't
coming back is now the kids that have nothing to
do with it are the ones that ended up. That's

(31:02):
always been the problem with the NCAA. But just where
we're at now of like how much of that in
the background is going to dictate? All Right, we would
have liked to have him here, but you don't know
the half of X y Z sure right. The Caleb
Williams talk about Chicago and what his old man was
allegedly asking for again sources, but it opened a door

(31:23):
to a whole other conversation about player empowerment, et cetera,
Like the new NWSL deal that just got signed to
where they're kind of gonna they're gonna go to the
European style, so there's not a draft. So the hope
is that more of the players that were starting to
travel and play abroad, yeah, stay at home because they

(31:44):
get some choice into what they're doing and it becomes
a bidding war and process, which has its own problems.
We get that, but in the end, trying to figure
out where the best systems are. But for quarterbacks that
find themselves down in in a school that maybe didn't
seem commensurate with their initial evaluations and skill sets, you

(32:06):
wonder where that gap is and how much in that
pie goes to people around the nil puzzle school for
school because some relate adopters. One of my criticisms at Northwestern,
it's like that should have been one of the first things. Wait,
we've now got the ability to bring in all these
people from the business world, acting world, all these other

(32:27):
places of people of influence, and they were slow to mobilize.
Now they're getting up to speed. Now Syracuse did the
same thing, so Smith was yelling about it there, But
in schools where it could really make a substantive difference, right,
Michigan's always going to get players. Oh Ohio state's always
going to get players. Now you got wait, guy that
might have been a fringe guy for us with the
right package, Oh, might decide to come to Chicago for sure?

(32:51):
Right the same thing here, a guy like Spencer Rattler
and others of that ilk where you're wondering, Okay, show
me the steps that led you there and takes nothing
away from South Carolina. It's just where he starts, and
then from there and then going into the draft evaluation thereafter,
apples and oranges in terms of who's running routes for you.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
This is this is going to be your new deal.
I think you should do a documentary on it. That's it.
You sound very passionate about it.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
No, I think it's absolutely a fascinating time that we're
living in uh and again with no real rules and
being written.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
As they go.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's like, yeah, we didn't really like how that one went,
so we should put that in. But you're you're the
n C Double A and you've got no more juice,
So what is it going to take an Act of Congress.
They've got other things to do. People. He's carry roads
on my Carmen. That's Martin Weiss over there. You hear
him on Saturdays alongside VJ. Husky as well as man.
He's ubickamous, he's our gall over, he's everywhere. He's a

(33:49):
man about tow. We've got Chris Purphett, weve got Bo
Benson making a sound so pretty today. Coming up next,
we're gonna get everybody involved because now we have that
weird gap. Now there's a couple of college games, but
we're still two weeks away really from the NFL in total,
which means you've got some film work to do. We're
gonna go through and try to figure out a metal
stand of best football movies. Coming up next here on Fox,

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iHeartRadio app, all those affiliates numbering near to five hundred anymore,
I think we got a couple of big ones coming
on as we get ready for football season. So starting
to see some of those memos as well. Always room
for aggressive expansion. And with that movie line and trying
to get myself into that that hype mode, you know,

(35:13):
you find yourself finding deep into the night right you're
looking for something to watch. I'll either find a cooking
show or I'll find a sports movie. Okay, And right now,
as we get ready for a football season, we got
these college games in the books. The preseason is gonna
be over. My team's lost a hundred games in Major
League Baseball, So while I watched them, I can always

(35:36):
have a second screen experience. It's it's always fine for me,
but well I will do time and time again just
because well, for giggles, you got any given Sunday, because
of the number of one liners and legends that show
up in there, will always find me. Yeah, no, like
whenever I find that. It's like the old line that
we had was you got shawshanked right, it was on

(35:58):
cable and we're wherever it was.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You're until the end, sure.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Right, you're until he crawls through the warden does his
thing and Clancy Brown go kats one of the great
actors of our time who we'd run into at the
stadium a few times. Charger fan frim But it's the
you know, he goes through his processes and all you
stop whatever you're doing, and you stop, uh looking at

(36:26):
other channels and trying to find something else. I've got
that and I've got Draft Day. So those are my
two right off the jump. Okay, Carry Rhodes football movie
for folks to watch now that they've now that they're
Jones and you're fiending for football because you've been fed
this appetite. Your appetite has been wetted by all of
these games, close calls, fantastic finishes.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
You know what I'll go. I mean, obviously my time,
you know the program, the program there you gound was
a good one. It was the one that was obviously
souped up in of what what football represents. But you
got a lot of drama.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
And any type you got Jimmy Kahn in a movie
I mean a.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Lot of drama, a lot of intensity. But the other
one that's a little bit off the beaten path, I
think a lot of people still probably would under would know. Uh,
I can't think of the name right now. The Armadillo's
what's the name of the movie? Necessary Roughness? Thank you?
Thank you? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Robert Loja exactly, and Kathy Ireland kick and Field got
bacul kick and field goals.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
You've got to.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
But any time Robert Loja gets in the mix, he
was always a family hero.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
So I take those two.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Bo you got one that you want to add to
the list for people for required view? Yeah, next next
week or so. Did you say Friday Night Lights?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
No? I have not.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, Friday Night Lights for sure. Watching that movie, the
beginning of it, when they do the montage of the
town like that takes me back to doing two a
days when I played in high school. So I think
we everyone that's that's ever put on pads knows that feeling.
So watching that movie invokes that, do you start getting creaky?
Oh god, yeah, you start feeling. And I and I

(38:06):
only played in I played in a tiny high school
iron man league, So I cannot imagine how other people feel.
So yeah, Friday Night Lights is up there. I like
any Giving Sunday. That's that's good. It's a little more dramatic.
But yeah, those two I think are the two big
football movies for me. Chris Purfet, you got one that
we want to add to our movie marathon.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
You know, I've kind of been I'm kind of a
little bit known around here as the sports movie hater.
I'm not big on sports movies at all. I think
my favorite is probably Uncut Gems, which is really about
sports gambling and Kevin Garnett. If I'm gonna go to football, though,
I've got a pretty low bar, I find a lot
of them. Saturine, I will go with I did. I
do kind of enjoy The long Shots, Okay, just as

(38:50):
Fred Durst. I don't know if it was his directorial debut,
but he did direct it, and Ice Cubes in it
and does well and then I forget the name of
the actress in there, but it's it's about a woman,
and it's about a girl in Pop Warner, so it's
it's it's fun.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Uh does a East Ventura count as a football movie?
YEA I that does then, yea. There for me, it's
like we do die Hard at Christmas.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Maybe it works. One that I've had about that though,
one that I've had on my Chris.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
One of that I've had on kind of my to
watch list forever and I don't know if I'll ever
get around to. It was made for TV, but it
was based on the book Monday Night Mayhem, and I've
wanted to watch that for a while. I think John
Taturo plays Howard Cosell in that movie. Yes, it's about
the start of Monday football, so it's been kind of
like circled for a while.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
That's a good one, Mark White, you got one that
you want to add to.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
The Yeah, I mean Chris is getting close to the
right idea. You guys are so serious to program any
give it Sunday. How about the annexation of Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Of course I was gonna say that, Martin after you
got done, so.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
I appreciate I say that. And the other one I
might steal from you as well from your former team
show me the money on.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Nicely.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
The last one and one that I've shared with my
daughters on a number of occasions.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Remember the Titans. Of course, that's a great one.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
There you go, dude. So we get Denzel Denzel, and
we get some singing along the way. Got little Hayden
pint area too. That's true, that's right. The daughter see
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all of that. Find that on Twitter. That'll link you
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he obviously hanging out with us here on a beautiful
Fox Sports Sunday. How much were you geeked at the
final whistle of I said, geeked showing my age at

(41:35):
the final whistle of a preseason game, knowing that that
part of the time in the calendar was done.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
The static it's time to go, you know, once that,
once the preseason is finally over, that fourth one is
the longest.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
How long does it take in camp though, because we
saw Aaron Rodgers Wright and each team did these fun
little things. We'll talk about the one the Bears did
a little bit later as we get into Caleb Williams
and the grand expectations. I talked about building an arc. Yeah,
and I was expecting people to come to by two
and just you know, slowly fill it up. I was, Noah,
come on, let's get on the bandwagon now in terms

(42:11):
of my giant ship and I will take you to greatness.
And then they came thousands at a time and here
we are. But you know from that time that you
stepped foot on training camp. So the bit that the
Jets did was what was overrated. The Bears did their best,
you know, guilty Pleasure song, just real fun and surprising
ones mixed there. But for the Jets, it's like all

(42:33):
these guys are talking about foods and experiences and then
Aaron Rodgers just dead pants to the camera. Training camp.
What time, what point in the in the continuum. As
a veteran, did you hit the training camp being overrated
and that you were done?

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Like I said, I'm a firm believer in the work,
and you had to do the work. Obviously, that's part
of my DNA. So I don't know if I would
say I would have that response to it. But there
is a such thing as the dog days of camp,
and once you get to that, it's probably you want
it to be over. And I mean for me, that

(43:12):
would be maybe like two and a half weeks in
because again we haven't played in the preseason game. You're
just practicing. You're doing the same thing. It's routine, in
the same guys routine.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You're like, I still do it two a days because
you've got to talk about going uphill both ways. Yeah,
in the snow, no shoes, oh, or shoes that were
kind of ripped on the side. Oh yeah, you know
all of those things. If we talk about if we're
more than thirty years old.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Right, it's that vibe. And so yeah, probably like two
and a half weeks in, you're you're over it. You're
tired of the You're tired of eating the same thing
as well, because the food is the same as well.
So all of that is redundant and becoming not so
edible and tasty at that point. So you're trying to,
you know, have some type of levity. And I think
the levity that you can have, which in my day

(43:57):
was a big big deal was the rookie sh and
I don't know if they do that as much. Still
I've seen some videos Oh yous a clips.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Man, there's still it's still living on in some form,
if nothing else, for the forced act of hard knocks.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Probably yeah, for the TVs. Yeah, I mean, which.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
As I've theorized, and folks, if you've watched any of
this on Max. As this has developed for the Bears,
go back to the preseason right off season Giants one.
They inadvertently stepped into greatness with the ineptitude and some
of the silliness of the front office, that famous phone
call to Saquon Barkley, which might as well have been

(44:33):
a crank anchors. You're really gonna call us back, aren't you.
I think those two teams, and you can correct me
if you think I'm wrong. That swollen down and bring
the pain is both of those teams worked a brilliant
strategy of we're going to try to be so boring
you're never gonna ask us to be on again.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
We had the production people talking, yeah, out of deference
to the McCaskey family, there's no cursing, so that's missing.
No matter how foul mouthed any of the assistant coaches
may be, any of the frank discussions between players, it's
absolutely tamped down to where it's almost, you know, FCC compliant,
as opposed to previous iterations of guys you know, falling

(45:16):
all over themselves and spit coming out as they get
the the f's out and everything else. So you've got that.
So it's been pretty boring. Joked about the ice cream
museum and whatever, but it would appear that that part
of camp at least survives a little bit.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Get to know your rookies, yeah, you got to know
the rookies, the rookies putting them out there. You said
something about it earlier, you know, the signing bonus thing,
and that's such a big deal back in the day.
You come on, I'm I'm Jack Johnson, and I make
two hundred thousand of my signing bones in the whole
the yeah Hi dinner sign him exactly. Oh man, that stuff,

(45:54):
the rookie dinners.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
See, this is where I always wanted guys to keep
their receipts, because we would get they would trickle out
it on social media. And certainly, let's go back some years,
as you know, cell phones became, you know, so so prevalent.
It's like I always wanted guys to show that out
a little bit, like look how I got abused and
for nothing else, giving us scale, right, because we all

(46:17):
think about nights out, and depending on the circle you keep,
nights out might just be the cheap dive bar down
the street and whatever apps they serve sandwiches. Some of
them will let you order in a pizza from next
door or whatever else. Versus, Hey, we're going out and
we're gonna you know, go a little bit bougie, so
I actually have to make reservations. And you actually have

(46:38):
to come in and now we talk about credit card
roulette and all those other things that start flowing in,
Like it's that strata. And certainly when it comes to
you know, NFL players, NBA players, Major League Baseball, whatever,
we always see the veterans when they're on rehab assignments.
They're picking up meals, and that gets publicized because it's
food they haven't seen and that's in their entire process, right.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
That part too. So like our rookie dinner, I mean
the rookies on that came in with me. I was
the fourth round guy, but we had we had we
didn't have a first we didn't have a first round pick,
but we had two second round picks. And we had
a kicker from Ohio State, Mike Jugit and.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
One of the greatest misses ever at Northwestern baby let's go.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
And we had a Clemson defensive back, Justin Miller, and
so all of us, you know, we you know, we
were the the substantial signing bonus.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I got to go back and look at what Dugit
got is.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
And so we're doing the rookie dinner and we go
out to dinner, we do a whole big thing and
that bill got up to around like twenty k for dinner,
and here I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
It doesn't matter, but a guestimation because we always want
to put it to a per person because I know
we can get to that. Twenty thousand really is easily.
Like we're in Los Angeles, all right, We've all been
a little bit of night life at times, and you
get sticker show.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
But we're not even talking about the nightlife here. We're
just talking about we're talking about dinner.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
But but you could do that with a bottle of one.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Oh easily. Right.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
You got two guys that are eatophiles at the end
of the off shore, at the end, they go give
us the wide list for sure. All of a sudden,
it's like the vet's sitting there and give me a straw, right, no,
for sure, And all of a sudden you're at twenty
thousand before you blame it.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Quick, yeah, And I'm looking at it. I'm like, yeah,
I just got designing ones. But I don't want to
I don't want to pay that. I don't know what
that what that looks crazy?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
It was a house, man, it was a house, a
car or whatever you're at. But yeah, twenty k and easy.
Do you guys at least put that.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
We split it, we split it.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, you know, kickers always wanted to be people too.
That's the eyes of mine. Yeah, come on here, you're
one of the guys. Now be a part of the
first rounder.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, that was funny, but no, those those were the
I mean, you look at it at that time. Obviously
it feels like you're being indoctrinated or whatever the case
may be. But it's such a bonding thing still. Even
though it gets outrageous sometimes and you know, those numbers
can't get high, there is still some type of I guess,
like a good feeling of being your.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Beginning and that and that's one of the biggest thing
because it also if someone's telling you you're you're paying
that bill, means you're probably not in any trouble that
you're losing losing at least your spot. You may not start,
you may you know, still be fighting to get your
rotation in. Now that's the kicker, that you're the kicker.

(49:31):
But the point just being that if they're saying give
the credit card, because the veterans, they know, they know
before you're going out to dinner, don't go looking for
that guy because he probably ain't gonna be regardless of
what the bonus like, you will play your way out
like it's it's sunk cost. At that point, you get
a guy into camp, and like we were talking about
last hour, Carrie, it was the just the idea of

(49:55):
different fit, different circumstance, and you may be covered up
by the guys you play around.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Yeah, and like for better or for worse. Right in
my situation, like fourth round guy, you don't expect that
guy to come in and public start right away. But
the way the Dominoes felt the start and safety they
had last year, the year prior to me, Reggie Tongue
he was he had just got traded out and so
the spot was kind of open still. I didn't you know,
you're not You're not coming in and think you're a
starting But you go through the rookie camp and you

(50:22):
see the guys that you're going against that are coming in,
and you're like, okay, I'm I feel like I'm a
step above that. But then you bring the vet camp
come in, and you have the other guys come in,
and you have Chad Pennington over there and Curtis Martin
and Laburnie is cold and like you're like, okay, this
is a different animal. But I felt like I belonged then.
And had a conversation with our coach at the time,
Herr Netwards, and he was like, you know, we brought

(50:44):
you in here to start, and so just that word,
like having that reassurance.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
We talking about how far how far along did you
get that from?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
This was in this was in the first camp with
all the all the veterans. Okay, so this is early,
got through rookie camps. We got through right now, it's
like we're showing up. It's all right, what's we got
our sprint? This is opening week. And just that word,
like just somebody giving you that reassurance like you belong here.
That's all I needed. And I'm sure that trickles down

(51:14):
to other players as well, like that reassurance, that acceptance,
we believe in you type of attitude. I mean, the
sky's the limit when that happens.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Well, because that goes into a lot of the conversations
we've had around training camps these last couple of weeks,
right talking about guys fighting for jobs, whether it be quarterback,
which is the most publicized, or on down the line.
You know, in each marketplace is certainly dealing with that.
Guys trying to be part of a linebacking corps being
the you know, nickelback or whatever, and see what I

(51:46):
did there. Whatever it might be that you're trying to
solidify your place, but I gotta imagine for a defensive unit,
for an offensive unity. The sooner you can have the
coach come and tap you on the shoulder, not only
for your own confidence, but everybody around you going all right,
coach gave him the nod, that's it. We need to
coach him up because we're stuck with his ass or

(52:10):
for worse, like he's now one of us, you know,
and now we get to make him pay for this.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
But it's just that far.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
But just that idea of of early on getting that
now versus what we've seen with some of these camps,
like how does that go over in.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
A locker room because there's outward noise, sure noise, and
we can put the capital in on there, versus how
much of that is still bleeding back in or do
they know?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
And it's all just a big act. I think there's
too many people that have to keep that together. It's
like conspiracies, theories and secrets, the more people that know,
eventually it's gonna leak, and not just from anonymous sources.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
And I think that's the time frame. So my time
frame not as much, not as accessible. Right nowadays everybody
knows everything. Our time in New York with herm it
wasn't that way. But when Mangini was there, it was
he knew everything. So anything that was going on, I say,
somebody went to go do a show on Cold Pizza

(53:11):
at the time or whatever. Let's get that. Yeah back,
imagine like on that like he would have a team
meeting and he would show that on the big screen.
So whatever you were doing, everybody knew everything on the team.
And you think of it being annoying at the time,
but everybody's in the same place, on the same footing.

(53:32):
Nothing gets by anybody. It doesn't matter who you are.
We are all here, and so you go do that.
He's letting the whole team know this guy is doing
all these things. Is he really focusing on football? And
so it actually brings you back to a point like
a homeo stasis where all right, outside stuff doesn't matter.
It's about what we what we know about in this
locker room, and nothing's off limits.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
See I was gonna make the obvious joke about mangen stuff.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Don't do it, man, Jeanie's my guy. Now, I'm just
saying he dow some stuff. He lets some other people know,
you know, do some stuff. He's carry Rhodes up by Carbon. Hey,
coming up next, we're going to stay in the NFL.
Longtime friend of the network, our guy, Adam Kaplan stops
by for his weekly visit with the show carrying Mike here,
Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome back and

(54:24):
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday by Carbon carry Rhodes
with you having a blast. Coming up in a couple
of minutes, we'll have Adam Kaplan with us here talking
a little NFL action as we go.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Mary Mack has.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Tagged in for Chris Purfett on the ones and twos,
Mart and Weiss on the updates and the news desk.
Ye all making us sound so pretty man, which is
what it's all about. At Carrie twenty five Roads find
me over at Swollen Dome. So let's bring on the
aforementioned Adam Kaplan talking all things National Football League. His

(54:58):
training camps are done. Preseason fun is done? Adam, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I'm good. Look, I'm glad to be off the road
here or is on the road for a better part
of four weeks. Yeah, going to training camps, joint practices, practices,
and yeah we got wont game left tonight Patriots at
the Commanders, And that'll do it. As we turn the page,
folks to the regular season, what was.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
The what's the biggest part of the grind when you
get to like week two, week three, what's the thing
that you're missing or you're lamenting most?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Uh, well, no, the only thing it's the heat. I mean,
Carrie knows as a former player. As it drags on,
it gets to be more and more and more. But
I have to tell you, though, I'd like to join
practices that when we go and you know it's gonna
happen when we go to the eighteen game schedule, right.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Go to just two preseason games.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
It's Cary, he's laughing as he knows the drill. You
know they're gonna be more, even more joint practices because
you've got to make it up somehow, and joint practices
are pretty good effect. There's so much more game planning.
I noticed talking to coaches in the preseason games and
we also we can talked to carry about that in
terms of what goes on in preseason game planning, but

(56:06):
in practices, I mean I'm talking to guys, oh yeah,
like we because we know that they can't share this tape,
the practice tape right now allowed to do that. So yeah,
I think the joint practice are very valuable.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, I agree with you on that one for sure, Adam.
The joint practices were fun. You actually got to we're
going out there to actually put up some points on
them and try to embarrass them while we could. And
that's that's part of the that's part of what that entails.
But outside of the China Camp stuff, I know that's
ending right now when you I know you've had your
fund with that. But what are you looking forward to
the most as the season start And what's team do

(56:37):
you have under under the radar team that you're you're
looking to uh kind of blast out this season.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Well, I'll tell you what. When we look at teams
that or hype not hyped, and teams that people have
expectations for, I know, I know the odds makers are
very big on the Chicago Bears. That team, look, they
they've not had a four thousand yeard passer before. They're
so loaded on offense. They've rebuilt their offensive line over
the last three years. I know talking to people there,

(57:05):
they feel so good about the skill set around Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
They're just gonna be fun in.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
A division where the Lions and the Packers are going
to dominate. We know the vikings now of all sorts
of problems. But the question for the Bears is can
they put for Waldcrts. But but the oddsmakers at eight
and a half nine wins, they've been on this Matt
Everflew's potential of being the coach of the year. That's

(57:31):
a team that I'm not saying they're going to make
a Texans type of jump. They're getting hyped. I mean
the Bears have the hype, not the kind of hype
you know last year the Lion's got. But on your question,
that's a team I'm looking forward to seeing this season.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
It's fun to see a guy go from being odds
favorite to be.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Fired to potentially being coach of the year.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
As the South Side Chicago and of residents here, Adam
At Kaplan NFL. Where you find Adam, I'll find him
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Zone Radio here on Fox Sports Radio. And Adam to
that point, we're watching a replay of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Has this ever really been a battle between Wilson and

(58:14):
Fields or is it just a media hype with a
kind of compilation.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
I was there with the Steelers about a week and
a half ago for two days, and Wilson just come
back from this calf injury. You know, Mike Thomans said
all offseason, Look, it's, you know, Wilson's the pole position.
And then when Fields got off the good start training camp,
it kind of backed off a little bit, but not
really lately it's you know, Wilson did start that preseason game.

(58:41):
Now the third the third preseason game is no longer
the dress rehearsal really potentially for most teams, because it
used to be, as you know, the fourth game would
be the game that nobody plays. In the third game
we rehearsal. But now the Steelers, folks, they're one of
the few teams that they don't just play stars. They
put this starts playing every game, and again Wilson did

(59:02):
start that game.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Adam, So I mean, I'd be remiss to not bring
up your Eagles. Hasn't been a lot of Eagles talk
this offseason obviously. I think people have them picked the
win at division.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
But good though, isn't it? And I finally calm down,
I agree with.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
That, But what is it because of wanting to temper
the hype or people just kind of board with what
Philly has put on tape the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Carry I would say this with the Eagles just because
of the way if they finished last year losing six
out of seven, getting embarrassed in the playoffs at Tampa Bay,
they're kind of flying under the radar. You know, Jalen
Hurts took a step back last season, they have two
new coordinators, a lot of change there. And you know
the crazy stat, the divisional stat is no one's won
that division back to back since two thousand and four.

(59:48):
So Dallas won it last year, so you figure they're
not going to win it now. They just lost Toron
Bland for minimum of two months. That's a big injury
for them. They got to get ceedee lamb back here,
who's holding out. They feel confident they're going to get
this deal done before Week one. Their team turmoil seemingly
as usual. But I would say with Philly it's they're
kind of flying out of the radar, which is kind
of really rare for them. They usually not like that.

(01:00:10):
But there's not a lot of hype. You're right, I
don't there's no hype at all with them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, we had a little bit of the you know,
Sirianni and the Hurts, didn't they get along last year
and all of that stuff, And then you have obviously
they had changed coordinators, which you thought would have materialized
early in the season as opposed to where they were late.
I mean, Jacksonville Jaguar fans were happy because their collapse
was superseded by all topics, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
All right, to be honest with you, with the Jacksonville
and and I did pick them all mit I did
pick them to win that division. That was a total collapse.
They had that thing mid mid season. I don't want
to say wrapped up, but they're clearly on their way
to win that division. And Doug Peterson fired pretty much
as all defensive staff redid that boy that that was

(01:00:56):
a stunner to me. Now I think what happened. Let's
be hones with you on this situation with with Doug Peterson.
I remember being with the type excuse me, the Jaguars
leading up to that season of training camp, and he
was like the anti Urban Meyer, breath of fresh air,
a lot of positivity. It's what they needed. And then
you know last season they had pretty high expectations based

(01:01:18):
on what happened with Trevor Lawrence two years ago, and
you know he took a step back last season. Still,
by the way, it's being paid fifty five million a
year now with his extension. But the fans now are
kind of curious, I know you looking at social media
and a Jaguar fans are like, what's going on with
this football team? And after what the Texans did coming

(01:01:39):
out of nowhere like the Jaguars did two years ago,
that the Jaguars or team are they in transition? What
are they? I think that's a team to watch the season.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
And that's the thing about the NFL. A lot of
people don't understand when you have a long term success
at a place that just doesn't come, that doesn't come easy.
And so when you look at the dinas seas or
the teams that are consistent throughout the years that are
going to put a good product out there, it's a
jam because again, you look at Jacksonville young team, a

(01:02:07):
budding star two years ago at the quarterback position. Then
you go from that year having some you know, some confidence,
having some you know, some awareness about that team, and
then you've faltered the way you did. Now it's like,
all right, do you have to rebuild? Do we keep going?
So they're in a transition period. So I mean, obviously
you probably picked the Texans to win a division, right Adam,

(01:02:28):
Oh yeah, I definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Will care, but I want to stick with Jacksonville for
a seconds. So shot Con, their owner, kind of went
on the record and he talked about and this is
just so rare for an owner to say this. He
says that they got to get back to player development,
and that obviously goes on to Doug Peterson. And if
the Jaguars don't make the playoffs, they don't have to
win the division. But if they don't make the playoffs,

(01:02:49):
I think Doug Peterson's going to be the hot seat.
In fact, I know he will be he that collapse
is terrible and shot Con is so supportive with spending
money or do whatever it takes building practice facility. They've
looked at the cons have done what they can. At
some point it's got to be up the coaching staff
to not only develop these players but take the next level.

(01:03:10):
And they've not had a lot of success in Jacksonville
for the last twenty years. And they came out of
nowhere in twenty seventeen. If you're a remember under Doug Morone,
no one saw that coming. Almost made the Super Bowl. Yeah,
but they've fallen back, you know, they fell back a
while and obviously the ever Myer experience didn't work out well.
But that's a team that you got to watch. If
you look at if the three of us ranked, Okay,
give me your coaches on the hot seater. Coaches have

(01:03:32):
to win or the microft microscope is going to be
on them. It's going to be on Doug Peterson, There's
no question about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, he would be probably the leader in the clubhouse
as it were. Maybe you look down to New Orleans
and we can go down McCarthy, who's perennial hot seat,
go on down the line out here in Los Angeles.
Excitement a bit for the Rams people starting to get
back on board that Adam. But obviously we're keeping an
eye on Jim Harball and everything Charges related. We know

(01:03:58):
we're going to get some great quotes from him every week.
But what am I expecting from his team in a
rebuilt offense with some new names both at tailbag guys
that he gets from his brother that can't stay healthy. Yes, yes,
and a new receiving corps. What am I expecting?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Yeah? I spent a day with them. They had joint
practice with with h We'll start with the Chargers here.
They had joined practice with the Rams. They refuses, they're
refusing to call to rebuild. They think they've they've fortified
their offensive line with Joe Alt, who's more of a
left tackle than right. But you know they're gonna stick
with Sean Slater at left. You know it's coming. With
Greg Roman the run game, GM told me that the

(01:04:35):
the most sophisticated run game he's ever seen. It's Romans.
It's un orthodox, but it's phenomenal. And the odds makers, man,
they were they were already out in front of eight
and a half wins. I just don't see it. Uh,
they're a team that's sort of in transitioner. Yes, they've
got Justin Herbert with their Planet Fashion injury coming back,
they're gonna be so much run based, they'll be about
seven or eight wins there, to be honest with, the

(01:04:56):
Rams are better than they are. No, No, the Ram.
No Aaron Donald, and that can't underestimated. But Matthew Stafford
is there. Blake korm you mentioned him, who really a
good story. But I hope back up Kyen Williams is
certainly the starter there. I'll mention to see what happens
here without Aaron Donald. That's that's gonna be fascinating. They
haven't had to face this since twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Do you think he finds his way back into a
uniform in November?

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
No? Based on talking to people who know him, he
kind and he walked away from a lot of money.
By the way, Sun Carrie, you could attest to this
man when it's out of your when you feel like
you're done, and not to take the physicality of that game.
And I always talk to players when they retire, and
so many of them don't feel right physically. Sadly, it's

(01:05:42):
one of the saddest things about covering this league is
how guys feel when they're done. You know, he remember
there was talk two years ago about him retiring and
decided to come back. When you're thirty at this in
this business, even if you're able to play, and you
decided to walk away like he did. Good for him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Yeah, thirty for him playing interior alignment and the not
being through any physical contact or ramping up to try
to play, and that wouldn't happen at all. I just
don't see that happening. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Again, it's a ton of money they walk away from. Yeah,
they're gonna be a fun team. The Rams, there's certainly
gonna be fun. They trafted a couple of guys on defense.
But yeah, Harbor. Listen one thing about Jim Harball, he
wins everywhere he's been, whether it's you versus c Diego, Stanford,
the Niners, we forget. They did make the Super Bowl,
tough loss to the Ravens. They're gonna get things turned around.
And I like their new complex in El Segundo. The

(01:06:33):
Bolt kind of an odd area. I was driving by
there because it's near Lax certainly a little different. But
they finally have their own place.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Well, when you head back to elsagin To, just let
us know, we'll meet you for lunch right down the street.
Carry and I, Well, we'll find you and we'll take you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
To one of the local hats.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yeah, okay, hey, standing off for whenever you're back in La.
Last one for this round of things, Adam, we got
ten days until we get to that preseason.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Let's just go am west.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
In general, it seemed like last year was the opportunity,
with the clunkiness of that Chiefs offense, if you were
going to get them, it was last year. Can you
see anybody even making a claim barring fifteen going down?

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
No, I'm surprised, but you know it's interesting. I don't
have in a front and I think the Chargers were
only plus three hundred two win the division, which I
thought was absurd. I know this, let's put this with
the Raiders won't be a playoff team. But I spent
old friend Antonio Pears with him about two and a
half weeks ago. I was stunned. First of all, they

(01:07:36):
hit Carrie. I don't know if you know, they actually
hit for forty minutes and they actually.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Tackled there you go talk callused up, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
I mean I could tell he and I worked together
at ESPN and I talked about the owner wing for
a while. Their defensive line has a chance to be really,
really good. I have real problems with their secondary. Their
offensive lines got some injuries, which I'm concerned about. You know,
they're going to run the ball with Pierce being the
head coach. But Pierce did say to me, he goes, look,

(01:08:03):
people want to pitcheonhole me like that. Yes, look, we
want to be physical, but there's also talent around them.
They could be somewhere around eight wins, and by the way,
they were eight and nine last year. But yeah, yeah,
the Chiefs are going to win that division. There's it's
there's no way they're not going to win it. The
question is ken someone if some kind of come out
of nowhere and shock the world there like the Chargers. No,

(01:08:27):
I just don't see it. I don't see it in
harbaugh first year. But watch Xavier Worthy, the Chiefs first
round receiver at the University of Texas, who could flat out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Fly Scary stuff right there. Plus three ninety the latest
odds for the Chargers. Yeah, there go the Raiders sitting
at eleven to one Broncos all the way. If you
like a value play. Adam twenty two to one for
Showing and Company. Follow him on Twitter at Kaplan NFL.
Adam always good to talk to you. Thanks for stopping
by this afternoon. Thank you all right, appreciate it. Carry roads.

(01:09:01):
Mike Carman here, Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday. Now
it's hard to turn our attention over to the news
desk for our guy, Martin Weiss, who's got everything trending
in our sporting universe.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I sure do.

Speaker 7 (01:09:12):
Three to oh eight left in the third quarter of
the second and last preseason game, guys, it is quickly
approaching the Denver Broncos seventeen Arizona Cardinals with six Zach
Wilson getting the law the most of the work here
for the Broncos. Thirteen for nineteen, one hundred and fifty
nine yards passing and a touchdown, adding twenty one yards rushing.
Desmond Ritter now in the game for the Cardinals, five

(01:09:32):
for seven, forty nine yards passing, and again they only
have six points with three minutes lefts in the third quarter.
Earlier today, the Titans and the Saints played their third
preseason game the Titans now thirty Saints twenty seven. Will
Levis got to start eight for seven. I've said that
three times now. I was reading it dyslexically. I don't

(01:09:53):
know how you go eight for seven, How you do it?
How you do it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Baby? Will Levis could figure it out, But.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Eight seven you your own way of broadcasting the news.
I just you'd be a trailblazer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I don't know what is just legitimately like, I've read
that now wrong. I'm looking at it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
Right, you haint, Will Levis, it's just seven for eight,
seven for eight, Martin, seven for eight, that's it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Or eight for seven.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
No, no, it's just seven for I was just wrong.
But I also don't know what Will Loves was even
doing out there. That's a week one start.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
That's a much bigger question that we've been asking this
entire show. You know, you can always do the take
a lap for yourself. I don't know what your self
penalty will be.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I'll have to bust out five push ups after this
is open. Five listen, no, no, no, no, ten.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Hey, the road to swoll begins with that first step, Okay,
so he gets five and then he can build from there.

Speaker 7 (01:10:42):
This guy's over here singing opera and then going and
climbing mountains inside.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I've seen it happen before, and he's gonna come for me.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
I'm only one of us here was a former professional
athlete carry and it was not me. Specier Ratler played
well seven for thirteen, one hundred and five yards one touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Let's move over to baseball. The Al Central Race.

Speaker 7 (01:11:01):
The Guardians gained half a game on the Royals and
the Twins as they beat the Rangers four to two.
The Phillies beat the Royals eleven of three, Cardinals beat
the Twins three to two, and just some housekeeping, you know,
at the bottom of the Al Central, the doldrums, the basement. Yeah, historic,
historically bad.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
If you're gonna fail, fail spectacularly in life, mark wise,
you know this well, you reach for the stars, you
try to do all that. Somewhere in between, you're gonna
find something good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
That is what the White Sox are looking for.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
They did not find it today as the Tigers beat
them nine to four, thirty one and one hundred on
the season.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yeah, I just leave every time you say that, I
just I just shake my head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah. But if you're just another ninety loss team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Right, you finish the season at ninety two losses? You
finished sixty four. You know in ninety eight you didn't
get to the triple digit. You're just another bad team here.
Historic here, we're talking history, historic, right. If you're gonna
be bad, just burn it all down. I mean we've
had earlier today, we talked about it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
Pretty sure that White Socks have lost more home games
this season than carry lost NFL games in general.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely college.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Games, Oh for sure, definitely look at that. And he
goes back to show. Yes, Louisville. Look how he puffed
up there. You remember the last time you did that,
you were holding your shoulder. No, exactly, he just did too.
I heard that one coming up. You better be ready.

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the week, and normally I like to let those go
away right there are days in the rear view, but

(01:13:20):
this is one that's gonna live with us, and it's
the ongoing saga.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
The tale.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Whatever the troubadour behind him of Dion Sanders persecuted or
just an icon that gets attention in a sea of mediocrity.
We'll talk about it next here in on Fox.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Now, I just want to listen to music. Hey, as
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the man that would hawk you down and separate you

(01:14:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
There you go, buddy, Yeah, man, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
We'll make sure to share all the audio and the
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(01:14:30):
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We got Mary Mack, we got Bo Benz and our
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(01:14:52):
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(01:15:35):
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listened to the Broadway station to go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
And then I start singing Master of the House, and
all of a sudden, I'm marching around so like it
totally changes changes the vibe really quickly depending on what
shows up on that station.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
You're a theater kid, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Oh, yeah, well I should have done it. Yeah I didn't.
My older daughter was. My younger daughter has some of
those sensibilities, but won't go down that highway. Just doing
the soccer thing for me. Let's just say the South
Side Chicago and in me was not exactly encouraged to
pursue those or this for that matter, Hi mom, Hi

(01:16:13):
probably would have been would have gotten really.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Physical for you if you were in in the uh,
the theater department and you went down that down, it could.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Have been fun instead. No, no, now I just do
it run around and singing in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah, because you love it. You're a big music guy
and what we do and theater guy. I've known that
about you. I've learned that about you in the in
the past couple of months and really makes my heart
heart really warm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
And now we got to just figure out how to
monetize all that carry more podcasts. I think with the
two of us yelling at each other, come now, I
got to ask this question. Earlier this week. Deon Sanders
back in the news again. A lot of questions Colorado
New Conference, what do they do the transfer portal? Changing
out some of the coaches. We saw the offensive coordinator leave.
He's got a head coach job, but he had been

(01:16:56):
deposed as play caller despite early success for Shador Sanders
in that offense. But now into the war of words,
or at least it's combative. Let's put it that way,
because Dion will always kill you with kindness. We see
that because you have the juxtaposition of Dion with reporters
that he's not going to acknowledge, and there's things in

(01:17:17):
his contract to that effect of he doesn't have to which, okay, fine,
table that for a moment. But then I see the
speeches he gives to the incoming Colorado class about responsibility
and making mom and dad and grandma and everybody proud
and you know, don't make these mistakes and stay to
your grind or whatever. You see some of the uplifting

(01:17:40):
speeches he gives, you know, the dichotomy that is Dion,
And part of it comes back to the old Spider
Man quote, because we love it so much. Great power
comes great responsibility. So I see articles and the tweetstorms
from folks of how Dion is persecuted for who he is, Like, well, no,
he's acknowledged for who he is. That people talk about

(01:18:00):
building his own wing in the Hall of Fame. I
think we're just in a state in terms of content.
You can dislike that. Folks might use a pop culture
reference or a term that maybe you don't like to
make their point, but in the end, it's content and
they're talking about your program. We as a national media,

(01:18:22):
Fox Sports Radio and others. For better or for worse,
there's not a lot of teams that get a lot
of run. And normally, let's face it, if it bleeds,
it leads. So when there's malcontendedness, reports of problems in
a locker room, or cohesiveness, transferring out, folks telling tales
after leaving, whatever, that's going to get our attention, not

(01:18:44):
to mention, you're one of the greatest players we've ever
seen and personalities. So is it that you know it's
unfair criticism or is it just that, look, we look
at him a bit differently, right, Kirk Farns got called
everything in the book for what that offense has done,
and he deserved it. But you know what I mean,

(01:19:04):
like the same thing here to a degree because we
saw the second half of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Well, I mean he deserves blame for what happened with
that team record wise, yes, but also there's an authenticity
to Deon Sanders that you're gonna love and you're gonna
fall in love with how he does it because it
is true to him, and it's true to he doesn't
waver from that. Now, when you live that way, criticism

(01:19:32):
comes as well, and it could be fair. It just
depends on where it's coming from. If it's coming from
a place of authenticity, from that's from the person that's
making the criticism, it's fair as well. So it's a
it's a weird dynamic of weird dichotomy that happens with
the Dion phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
We'll continue with this one as we go through, because
I mean, who decides authenticity. He's Garry Rhodes. I'm Mike
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the way tire buying should be. As we ended last hour, Carrie,
we got into a little bit of the the latest
in the Dion Sander world. But I think if we could,
we could wrap it in a big embrace for college
football and responsibility access all of those kind of conversations

(01:20:35):
as we go through, expectations based on on past and
where we're at in a social media age where even
a cross look will get amplified from a coach, from
a player, et cetera. Maybe why Dion, where's the big
sunglasses so he gets to do his poker face? Yep,
So when they come off, now you got the eyes
and they're staying back at.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Well, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Carrie's thinking about taking my head again. We saw the
shoulder thing earlier, even though you're climbing mountains to record
music videos at Carrie twenty five Roads on Twitter. Find
me over at Swollen Dome. But just the idea that
you know, for Deon Sanders and for those that missed
it earlier in the week, we bring it back here
just to take it into the larger scope because we're
getting ready to embark on another college football season, a

(01:21:21):
longer college football season for twelve plus teams, because we're
gonna have a bunch of teams down the stretch, the
most exciting final weeks of the campaign, fighting and jockeying
to be one of those twelve to have their name
called and go to the dance football style this time around,
and all the arguments that we'll make leading up to that. Likewise,

(01:21:42):
the NFL and the long arduous campaign to come, that
means a lot of tense situations reporters and coaches, assistant
coaches and players if things go a little bit sideways,
or if they fall apart altogether. Right, because last year
toasted the town, everybody wanted to be anywhere near the
Colorado campus. We saw the recruitment, We saw the sales,

(01:22:07):
ticket sales, the celebrities lining up to try to be
somewhere within arms reach of Dion at something like all
of that, and they became an adopted team. And we
talked about it along the lines of it, like I
have a lot of friends that suddenly that no dog
in the fight for years might have gone to college,
might not have. Colorado became their team because of Dion,

(01:22:30):
because of their history. Maybe they were a fan of
his NFL career. Maybe it was as simple as race,
but it happened, right. It activated a bunch of people
to pay attention to what they were doing and what
they said and for the college football world for a month,
it was a hell of a ride, right, and then
the injury started and where they weren't so fortified at

(01:22:50):
the O line, D line, anybody not named Sanders or Hunter.
It started to show. I mean, let's call it what
it was, right, You've got three stars, a couple of
guys that are gonna be twainters and maybe more this
year as we see this roster shakeout again. To your point,
we don't know yet size, scale, fit whatever, new new
conference and everything else. But as it went souf and

(01:23:14):
criticism came. There was, you know, the reticence to acknowledge
what they're going through at times. And we can play
back a ton of d on audio and it's not
to persecute him. It's the idea, at least from where
I sit, is like it becomes fair questions of where
you're at as a program. Now, I know it's you're
taking over and you're trying to build, but you're building

(01:23:35):
out a foundation and you get that kind of press.
On the plus side, guess what those folks are going
to be there if you stumble, and they're gonna ask
questions and you may not want to answer the questions
at that point, because you're in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
It, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I mean, you've been on teams when it's going well, hey, everybody,
come on in, come around my locker, get those microphones up,
don't be shy, and come on in. If things are
going bad, you don't want that second guy even creeping over,
let alone the first guy standing at your locker when
you get to it. And Dion strikes me, at least
from what we've seen, you don't want that second guy coming.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Over at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, unless it's this message of positivity and always right
with the world.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah, I think it's a consistency that comes with that, Right,
there's a there's guys that are consisted consistently you know,
I guess fair, and then there are some guys that
are consistently unfair. And so I think when you get that,
you know, you get that moniker of being an unfair guy.
And I'm not saying that's the situation that's happening here
in Colorado, but when you get that, there's a baggage

(01:24:35):
that comes with that. There's a there's a certain look
that comes with that from the players, the head coaches
when they see you coming in a room. So it's that,
so you you kind of label yourself as such. So
you talk about Colorado starting really well last year, all
the positivity that came with that, You'll you'll find in
certain locker rooms, in certain clubs, even when the positivity

(01:24:58):
is rolling through, there are some sepets there, or there's
a couple of guys that are only there to find
the fissures that And so that's the thing that you
would have to know with any of these conversations, right like,
just from us assuming or hearing the story you're seeing
about it here recently that you know Dion's cutting a
few people off from interviewing, right Like, we'll just read

(01:25:20):
that as a headline. But you have to really know
the room and know who's in there and what that
guy's about. So I can't really speak on the situation
and its totality, but from a former player being in
the locker room, you know there are certain guys beat writer.
It could be a beat writer, it could be a
national writer. It doesn't matter who that person is. But
when they come in room, you kind of like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
My god, here cooler, right, the idea of all right,
the negative story, what are they trying to find? Right,
and look years growing up right in Chicago, the Sun
Times Tribune, I had long bus rides to high school.
Guess well, we bought them both and then we trade
as we were going. If I was on the the
the bus and then the train with my brothers or

(01:26:03):
friends that would come along, you know, down the line,
like here you grow just the stranger next to me. Yeah,
you can read that one. While I'm here. I could
set by my my my watch, right, is it a Monday?

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Marriotti is writing this, Bayless is writing this right, and
of the time, I'd be right. It's either this is
gonna be the shot against Frank Thomas, this is gonna
be the Jerry.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Ryder you know it going in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah, and it's no it's no secret anybody that lived
in the marketplace or any of the marketplaces that that
those guys worked in on down the line, go back
to Dallas, go read a bunch of skip columns from
back then. You could set your watch to it. All right,
it's Monday at the Cowboys loss. Guess what, really, you're
gonna go after it? For the For the Chicago thing,

(01:26:48):
it was like, all right, here's the I don't like
Azie Ian. Here's the I don't like Frank Thomas. Here's
the Ryans Dwarf's bad for business. One hundred losses today. Yay, uh,
all of those things. You could set it so you
knew that was just part of the persona. Right. You
have cheerleaders for the city, for the team, for whatever,

(01:27:08):
who are probably annoying the other way because they because
they don't see reality sometimes because you're trying to lift
people up right again, like what we do here on radio,
Like there's a lot of stories that we read, we
vet and we go where's the win right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
This one's more just the conversation about press and getting
information to you and hopefully everybody finding where that happy
medium is right, because Popovich and Belichick were characters, yes,
and they recognize that Popovich still coaching. Bill's goutstually going
to be a member of the media now, can't wait
to see it Saban as a member of the media

(01:27:45):
talking about how hard it is just to pick a game,
let alone be honest about criticism and constructive or otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
How was he I didn't see him good. He was good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
He's going to get more comfortable, I think in terms
of all right, let's let's talk about where this went wrong,
because he's trying to I think still feeling that part out.
But it's like Brady, you know, he did his thing
at Fanatics. We had the little Daniel Jones side swipe,
but just in general saying, look, I but who were
better to tell you about what's right or wrong on
a field? And Brady as an ex player or save

(01:28:18):
It or Belichick you know, as an ex coach. But
it's it's trying to figure out where that median was.
And I bring Save It up to say for him
and Belichick, it was you got an act like you
talk to anybody that knew these guys away from a microphone.
Life of the party. Right, let's talk about music. Let's
talk about you know, buy and whine to anything, a

(01:28:40):
lot of varied interest whatever, but in front of the camera,
this is what you're gonna get and you can like
it or not right, and Popovich will do the same act.
Now he'll get more reps this year again because of
when Binyama they'll be back into the rotation of national games.
So people will have to decide again, do I want
to watch the sideline interview, which is again are the
dumbest things in sports to my thinking, coach, defense was

(01:29:04):
a little slow. You gotta run over. Look, Yeah, we're
gonna have to play better and we're gonna have to
rotate better.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Thanks coach, no information, you know what I mean? Like
what am I getting out of you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
But it's it's just that from that relationship and that
kind of business arrangement that'll be curious to see because
Dion gets again cycled out because he is who he is, pitchman.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Like his voices.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You know his voice, so you know when he's a
bird on a commercial. You know when he's trying to
sell you a chicken. You know, like he shows up
on on as himself in commercial, Like you know the guy.
Even if you don't follow football, you know who Dion
Sanders is. So with that it becomes elevated. We were
just doing it as the fun exercise, you know, as

(01:29:51):
Martin was doing his update of the number of guys
that on a national scale really get any kind of run.
It's a handful and one of them is in the
press and Nick Saban that's it. So it's dwindling, which
means more focus goes to Dion because people know who
he is I can't do a huge thought piece about
a coach you've never heard of or never.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Heard or or don't know who he is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
From his history unless you're a fan of that university.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
No, but that's just it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
But but that's the danger of the national versus local
regional conference kind of thing with college football and college
basketball that we get at times to where it does
go into those silos.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
And that's why you have to be careful with if
you are a media person and and somebody, like I said,
in those rooms as a beat writer, right, there's a
big responsibility that you have to, you know, keep people
abreast of what's going on at that university with that coach,
with the players or whatever it is. On an intermediate

(01:30:54):
level that means university locally all that stuff, but nationally
when you're reporting stuff like I don't want to say delicate,
but there's there's an energy of being right that needs
to happen before you're putting out these big stories about
somebody not allowing you to do something. Okay, why are

(01:31:17):
they not allowing you to do something? Like if you're
gonna put the story out like that, like the truth
and the fullness of it has to be well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
But there's the triple underscore of the word truth. Yeah,
your side, my side, truth sitting in the middle here
is somewhere sure, and so like it becomes a question
of responsibility, right being the adult in the room perhaps
comes in as well on either side. Right, Again, we
don't know all the inner workings. But unless he's printed

(01:31:44):
a bunch of stuff that's factually incorrect.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
That's what I'm saying. That's well, but do we know that?
So that's what I'm saying, So like, do does anybody?
Has anybody come forward and said that that stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
But that's the point, right, I think, And by this
point this is blown up enough to where it's like
there were a bunch of errors in it. Dion or
someone on that step would have raised their hand and
been like, hey, there's errors. Mart White's looking to tag in.

Speaker 7 (01:32:08):
I got the Colorado statement that came out from the
football the football team or whatever. The PR person said
that there were phrases that they channeled. They flagged some
of one of them deposition Dion uh, the Bruce Lee
of bs Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
That's pretty good one for deon kool aid.

Speaker 7 (01:32:28):
Yeah, Dion, let go, Yeah, Yeah, there were several different
phrases that they said. I plant Dion was another one
that this writer used to describe the Colorado football program
and Dion's influence on it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
So those were the phrases that were flagged.

Speaker 7 (01:32:44):
That's the reason why all of this started in the
first place. I personally thought the Bruce Lee of BS
was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
That's pretty It's a pretty clever line. Yeah, it's a
pretty clever line, and I could get along.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
So it's a little fight, a little push back, little
fight back then, is what I'm saying. So it's not
there are some things that are taking If you're not
really dialed in on this stuff, you can run with
it and say, oh, Dean's been this, he's been a
diva or whatever, right, and the university is supporting that,
or the university is sticking up for their guy. So
it's just that the fissure of where that stands is

(01:33:19):
really wide. Where is the truth? And that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Thanks Martin, He's Carrie Rhoades on Mike Carmen here. Thanks
to whoever I had news is. I appreciate you still listening.
Tell all your friends and family to listen here at
Fox Sports Radio at Swallen' dome at me at Carrie
twenty five Roads where you find him, find all the
link out to his music and such. As we continue here,

(01:33:44):
Fox Sports Radio thought we'd just dive down that rabbit
hole a little bit longer again. Other coaches, certainly locally,
the message boards will tell you everything you need to know.
We talked about Iowa football and the family. Now Kirk
Farrence with his suspension, but certainly the ineptitude of the offense.
They weren't exactly kind with that, right, I mean, and

(01:34:06):
that becomes personal attacks versus it is just bad football, right, Like,
there's that line, right and where and who's deciding arbitrarily
where that line is? And whether you, as a coaching
staff are above said line, because are any of those
really patently offensive? No? Right, I mean you're buying into
Dion cult of Dion?

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Is that wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
I mean he's selling, But I mean he's selling a product,
and if you're buying it, you could say you're believing
and you're now in the cult of what he's selling. Right,
It's not necessarily a pejorative term. But we move on
as we get going through here, Hey, who says.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
You can't go home. A couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Legends got some flowers this weekend and both times I'm
a little surprised. We'll do that, and we've actually got
some heavy words coming from Magic Johnson. What's that all about?
We'll tell you next year. On Fox Sports Radio, final
throws of the preseason games wrapping up today. You can

(01:35:08):
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Now you gotta wait for live live action again until
the next week one of college football comes up on
you waiting on some of those announcements from Mike Tomlin
about his quarterback position and so much else. As we

(01:35:28):
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at Swollen Dome. Now this one was brought to my attention.
We've got two Lakers stories we'll do here. We'll push
the going home again towards the end of the hour,
because you know, we always want to talk about reconciliation
and finding your way back positivity as we finish up
here on a Sunday. Usually I do those things on
a Sunday morning, so it says people are getting out

(01:36:30):
of services. Maybe there's a Sunday afternoon service that you're
finishing up with, or maybe you lead a little bit
of positivity and an icing on the cake. We'll do
that in a little bit. But two stories. First, we'll
go on the court. The report coming from the Ringer
saw it on a numerous outlets now that in the

(01:36:50):
post Lebron James era, the Lakers are targeting your guys
as the potential air Now to be fair, living here
in Los Angeles for as long as I have most
anybody who's ever snipped an all star game has been
photoshopped into a Lakers jersey or an alternate Lakers jersey

(01:37:12):
at least once. So as a Mavericks guy, how does
this make you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
I'm not scared at all. The Lakers have flirted and
tried to lure another Dallas Maverick superstar in the past
and that did not materialize. In the Great Dirt Novisky
they were, you know, Kobe reached out to him directly
and to get him to come to the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Lay are on Mama Day celebrating and minds around the
block to get that Kobe Bryant jersey at Dodger Stadium exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
So that's already you know, I've I've been around, I've
seen that game.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Before, saying lucas that same kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Lucas a loyal guy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
What if he were to say, get a an invite
to go ride horses, go drinking and hang out with NICOLEA.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Jokic, He's still loyal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
I think, I think, why did you have to twist
it make it about the Lakers?

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Know exactly, It's definitely that's definitely his guy. He already
was on the record saying if he would love to
play with Nicole club, but he would have to come
to Dallas, so that was already on the record, so
I'm not worried about that either.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
But yeah, no, no, no, I gave you pause because
once you put it out there, now it becomes a
question of.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
How do we make this happen? Exactly right, It's still.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Like it's like it's still Sunday and it's early in
a non we gotta keep it PG. But there's a
lot of things you can ask folks and be like, Okay, no, never,
I wouldn't do this, you know, never, never have I ever?

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
But also the value proposition. You know, if I put
a plate of insert the thing that's most vile to you,
would you eat it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
But what if I gave you one thousand dollars? Maybe
you pause? What if I say five thousand and you
start doing a well, it's like all right, now we
know there's there's a price. Yes, yeah, same thing here.
They want to team up. Yeah that if the circumstances.
It's like Steph Curry, right, lifetime Warrior?

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Yeah? Or is he didn't?

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Didn't the Mavericks just like make Luca the highest paid
player in basketball?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Am I?

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Yeah? But that changes every five minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Like I'm saying, it wouldn't be a money issue. It's like,
it's buddy, that's buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
That's like it's still like it's not a one year
contract that he signed. It's a four or five year deal, right, so.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
He's gonna be and he's twenty five. What are we
doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
But that's I'm advancing the narrative. I don't even know
how this story started, but it's well. But it's like anything,
it's all it takes is one quasi credible source in
this case, somewhat at the ringer putting it out and
it gets picked up as a discussion point. No, thirteen
years out, ninety percent of the stuff we talk about here,

(01:39:59):
it doesn't come to wish. It's all theorizing about circumstances,
these situations. We should start a rumor saying that the
Lakers are targeting like Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Behind the past.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Yeah, complay point guard when he's done with football, Like
that would be fun. That's actually a perfect segment to
another story that came up earlier this week. Anthony Edwards
was making the rounds and talking about you know, the
old plumber line kind of comes up in so many words,
saying Michael Jordan was the only player of skills in

(01:40:32):
the eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
It's it's misinformed. It's misinformed.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
It's the old People are entitled to their opinion, however
naive or ill informed. Yes they may be.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Yes, yeah, you can say whatever you want, but there's
so many skilled players. I mean, that was more of
the game at that time, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
It always comes back to this. You can have your opinion, sure,
and then I can tell you you're wrong. You can
tell me that. You know, hey, freedom of speech, but
I'm perfect within my rights to say A, you're wrong, yeah,
and B you're not free of responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
It's perfectly fine to be like, speak your mind, you should,
but there's too many people out here speaking their mind
that are misinformed. And that's that's the that's where I
draw the line with it for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Now, remember Anthony Edwards started a little bit of a
fire ahead of Team usays run to a gold medal
by saying he was the number one option. Yeah, which
I'm sure the veterans on that roster kind of chuckle, right.
Kevin Durant, he were inseparable. He was like his little buddy,
Yeah whatever. He wanted to do, and you start theorizing,
is that a better team up to go down the

(01:41:39):
road with Bo teaming up Kevin Durant. I'm Anthony Edward.
I think it's more realistic given that Kevin Durant loves
to go wherever the wind takes him. But good move around. Yeah,
Like I guys just don't know what they don't know yet. Yeah,
I just, I just I saw that story yesterday and
I just was like, why are why would anybody give
this any oxygen? The idea Luka Doncic who just signed

(01:42:02):
a new contract. There's no chance he's gonna move anytime soon.
But yeah, yeah, but it's it's nice fodder the NBA.
We know how this works many players anymore, Right, it's
the what's the best situation tomorrow? And if my mind changes.
I don't like Mark Cuban uh and and who has

(01:42:23):
taken his place? Right, I don't like the situation in Dallas,
So I like Mark Cuban. He's not the owner anymore.
So now I'm upset or that they don't have a
comfortable enough seat, or I don't like Texas anymore, like
anybody's whims and are fed in the NBA. I mean, look,
the NFL guys are trying to push the envelope as

(01:42:44):
best they can. They're meeting with more resistance, but it's
still the same idea. Yeah, the story, the stories, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
But then as a writer, there's a responsibility, like you're
building these pipe dreams that aren't realistic, and then you
as a fan of that team, like the fan of
the Miers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
I get, yeah, I guess that's my my thing. What
you said it like, it's exhausting to once again, I don't.
I've not heard a single Lakers fan or person adjacent
to the Lakers be like, yeah, Luka, Doncic is a
realistic target. But then you get this story out there,
and then all of a sudden, every other fan base
is like, man, see Lakers fans, they.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Think they can get everybody exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
The only person that does that is Rob Ge and
he's facetious much at the time, well, having fun with
it as it goes. But it's it's just the idea
of an evolving NBA world where we've seen guys decide
you know what I'm done. Yeah, And one of the
things I'll always respect James Harden for and I know
he was castigated for it was what he said he

(01:43:41):
was done in Houston. He didn't he didn't dance around it,
just said I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Yeah, I don't want to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
But a guy who takes the Anthony Edwards Michael Jordan
line pretty seriously, the guy very decorated, goes back to
the Lakers point guard position. In a conversation with Steve
and A Smith, Magic Johnson replied to the young fella.

Speaker 10 (01:44:04):
Edwards just said the other day that there really wasn't
any skilled players in the NBA back in the day
alisade of Michael Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
That's what he's saying.

Speaker 10 (01:44:20):
Your response to that, you know, I don't never respond
to a guy that's never won a championship.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
There's not nothing to really say. He didn't win a
college championship. I don't know if you even want a
high schools hit him with a double negative. So you
know he was waiting bill On Yeah, not not nothing
crowd there.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Uh In really loved Magic flexing because generally we we
respond to many of these things from the Magic Johnson
Twitter game that Smith and I have been doing for years,
because it's generally box score reading or pretty innocuous comments.
But to be sitting on that stage. It's good to
see he's back from his vacation.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Where did he go?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
They're on a super yacht every summer. Yeah, I don't
know those things. I aspire to travel in those circles.
But comes back and just says, well, hold on, I've
got some things to say, and immediately if you if
you see any writeups of this goes down Magic Johnson's
CV and everything that he's won along the way, which

(01:45:29):
is great. But again it goes owing to the earlier
conversation of you know, you got to have a little
bit of sense of history. Yes, and certainly for our business,
there's folks that you know, history goes back to maybe
Lebron's starting playing basketball, maybe a little bit later, you know,
whatever the case may be. And it's not that you
need to know every name, date and place from fifty

(01:45:53):
years ago, but recognizing an entire era of basketball and
funneling it down to one guy, just because he was
the focal point marketing and media.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Right, it's the only one he probably knows well.

Speaker 11 (01:46:04):
His exact comment. I have the exact comment, Hi, Mary, Hi, Hi.
I decided I'll read the exact comment that he said
that kind of led it. He said, I didn't watch
it back in the day, so I can't speak on it,
and then proceeds to go they say it was tougher
back in the day than it is now, But I
don't think anybody has skill. Back then, Michael Jordan was

(01:46:25):
the only one that really has skill, you know what
I mean. So that's why when they saw Kobe they
were like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
But now everyone has skill, and that's that would have
been perfectly fine if he left out the Jordan part,
because he would have been true to not knowing the game, right,
like not knowing that era. But then you just throw
out the guy that everybody talks about, then it's of
course the other guy's going to feel slighter because they
are talented and other guys won during that time too,
so it's it's just it's not a not a good look. No.

(01:46:54):
But that's the thing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
You can't say I didn't watch yes, and then name
check Mike Jordan, like you've dismissed everything. Yes, so your
opinion on everything else is invalid my.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Point, So why do you even say it?

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Because you want to fill airtime, because you want to
get your name and certainly Anthony Edwards. Look, he got
compared to Jordan a lot, so I guess that becomes
the obvious leap that you make in terms of where
his mindset would be sure in that, you know, because
during that playoff rod, Let's face it, how many side

(01:47:29):
by sides did you see subtly injected into the coverage?
It became all about Michael Jordan. Now players he's with.
Now it's going to be lebron it goobia. We even
see this reflected in a lot of the from the
media standpoint, and what numbers are I mean, you've got
guys affiliated with the the larger Fox properties actually funding

(01:47:53):
things to decredit guys from back in the day, particularly
Michael Jordan for what they did. Right, let's go take
away some stats. Okay, but you prop up who you're
gonna prop up, and it's been the way it's always been.
Back in the day, you didn't have access the same way,
and you had to be nicer lest they pull your credentials.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Do you gotta thought holding these people accountable for some
of these outlands takes that they have, But what are
you gonna do to it?

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
It's like, Wow, he just kind of went up Okay,
I just want to see him play basketball, right right,
say what you're gonna say. But for the purposes of
what we do here at Fox Sports Radio, it makes
for fun fodder that you because Anthony Edwards is probably
not speaking just for Anthony Edwards. Is really the larger
point to be made out of this is that you
probably do have a sub section of NBA players NFL

(01:48:45):
players that don't know anything beyond the guys that they
if played with or watched. I mean you were in
locker rooms, yeah, I mean you probably had legends come
walking through. It's like, I have no idea who this
guy is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
She's his pictures right behind you. Yes, that would be
the thing though, right, Like that would be an accurate statement,
But I would then do my research on that. So
like if I said something like that, I would come
out in the next press conference or next time I
had a chance to speak and say, you know what,
there was a couple couple other guys that were really skilled,
and like it's there's there's no accountability for what people

(01:49:22):
say now, And I think that's part of why I
don't think it's cute anymore, with the way that people
are like disrespecting people that played prior or the legends
that played before. So I'm a little sensitive when it
comes to that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Yeah, no, it's it's certainly some sports do it better
than others to make sure you know the history. Like
one of the things that was on the larger radar
here is, you know, you get a couple of guys
that come back for Old Timers Day. You know, Barry
Bonds gets retired by the Pirates. Did you think that
was gonna happen anytimes?

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Right. I saw another clip Pete Rose again talking about
how you know he can come and wave his little
cap when there's a Bobblehead Day or whatever, but he
can't go into the batting cages still because of the
band to go work with a hitter. That bridge still
hasn't been mended. Alex Rodriguez showing up at Old Timers
Day at Yankee State. Did anybody to see that coming?

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Yeah? Right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
So, like you have these kind of bridges, but it
also lends credence and supports the history like Baseball always
did it really well right old Timers Days, the big
tributes and celebrations. NFL has gotten.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Better, get better with the legends program.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Better with the Legends program, but still a wide chasm
between guy's sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties and even the nineties
to a degree and the NBA itit's a pieces and
Anthony Edwards kind of shows right there. All right, maybe
there's there's still a disconnect in terms of bringing everybody

(01:50:52):
along to what the game was and assessing what constitutes
skill in.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
That part too, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Yeah, because when you're talk about athleticism, we could talk
about different parts of the game that might might have grown.
When we talk about training, recovery, scheduling, All of these
things factor in to where we're at. Like guys that
weren't weight trending, I mean famously even Jordan like didn't
lift weights early on until he had or until like

(01:51:20):
it became more accepted, and hey, you can do this,
and it's not going to change change you materially to
where you can't do this that together.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
You're not You're still being able to shoot the ball
that was the big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Well and lift right, and all of a sudden you're
putting out a bunch of muscle. How much different if
you're up another fifteen pounds the weight you know, for
your speed you're jumping ability, et cetera. Sure, which is
what your trademark was. Hence Anthony Edwards jumping into that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
MM.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Here you go, he's carry roads out by carbon Here
Fox Sports Radio, let's turn it over to Martin. Why
is getting update on what's trending in our sporting universe.

Speaker 7 (01:51:57):
The second to last preseason game is in the book.
The Broncos beat the Cardinals thirty eight to twelve. Sorry
about that carry didn't count for what is worth? I'm
certainly fine.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Trust me, I got you.

Speaker 7 (01:52:12):
Zach Wilson, the quarterback, getting most of the work in
this game. He was sixteen for twenty five two hundred
and fifty one yards, two touchdowns, added twenty two rushing
yards as well and a touchdown on the ground. Clayton
Tune got to start, had a pick six twelve for
eighteen one hundred and nineteen yards.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Desmond Ritter remember him. He started for the Falcons last year.

Speaker 7 (01:52:31):
He was ten for sixteen in mop up duty in
the third preseason game.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
Shows you where he is now.

Speaker 7 (01:52:36):
Tennessee Titans beat the Saints earlier today, thirty thirty to
twenty seven. Will Levis got to start eight for seven
one hundred and eighteen yards passing. Spencer Rattler looked better
than Jake Haynter as they were playing musical chairs at quarterback.
Spencer Rattler with seven for thirteen one hundred and five
yards and a touchdown Jake Haner eight for seventeen eighty
seven yards. In Major League Baseball, the tightest race right now.

(01:52:57):
The Al Central Guardians beat the Rangers four to two, which.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Added a half game to their lead.

Speaker 7 (01:53:05):
In the division right now, as the Royals and the
Twins both lost, Royals losing to the Phillies eleven to
three and the Cardinals got the best of Minnesota three
to two. Elsewhere around Major League Baseball, the Mets drop
on to the Padres. The Mets that leave most of
that game on Jason Smith somewhere is sick because that
was a one nothing game for a lot of it,
then two to one, and then all of a sudden

(01:53:25):
when it mattered in the bottom of the ninth inning,
ended up being Padres three to two. Tigers beat the
White Sox nine to four. White Sox one hundred losses
on the year so far. Sorry, Mike, Yeah, that's all right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
What's one more? For what it's worth.

Speaker 7 (01:53:38):
The Marlins beat the Cubs too, So I don't know
if there's misery misery loves company or yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
I mean, look what it's all said and done. You
know you root for the White Sox and anybody that
plays the Cubs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:53:49):
Marlin's Marlin's taking care of the Cubs today seven to two.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Let's see.

Speaker 7 (01:53:54):
Also Al East leading Yankees. They beat the Rockies ten
to three. Astro's going right now, and I'm sorry, Orioles
and Astros going right now. We'll see if the Orioles
can't keep pace atop the AL East. Right now, it's
top of the third score is zero to zero. Jamar
Chase did practice today in Cincinnati. That's his first practice
of training camp as he is in search of a

(01:54:15):
new deal. And the Miami Dolphins released quarterback Mike White.
Skyler Thompson, former seventh round pick out of Kansas State,
the number two guy behind to a tongue of by
LOA wow, back to you Guys's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
A guy we spent a lot of time on, you know,
the whole Jets thing with Mike White.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
He had a minute, Mike, He's pretty pretty talented. I
want to I want to we should see this is
how I work. I have like two names of I
should really make a top five of this.

Speaker 7 (01:54:41):
But guys who got like the most unearned nicknames, Like
no disrespect to Mike White, but there were people going
around calling him Mike f and White for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Remember, like like a very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
The lesson, but sure for the purpose of this, yeah, yeah,
it's really it can be back.

Speaker 7 (01:55:01):
You had big nick energy with Nick Foles for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
Oh wow, yeah win super Bowl? Yeah, the super Bowl. Yeah,
I know he gets he gets to trade win a
couple of ways. Dude, No, but that's.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Just it, like it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
I was like from all reports, Yeah, Tommy DeVito saw
forget about exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Like those people keep wondering if he's going to be
the quarterback for more long.

Speaker 7 (01:55:25):
But these fifteen minute quarterbacks you get their fifteen minutes
in the sun. Which I want to come up with
a list of the best nicknames of all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Let me know that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Yeah, there you go, And Martin Weiss, if you've got
thoughts for guys that you were giving nicknames, keep it clean.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
People kids are reading those out there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
I was great. I was excited about the rundown. What
he just said about my Yankees. Did you see the game? Uh,
they went that Soto, Judge and Stanton went back to
back to back and the I think of the seventh inning.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Yeah, and then and they'll get open and whenever those
two yes, they together. Meanwhile, my team lost one hundredth
can he's carrying, Mike. It's Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday.
We'll wrap it up going back into the NFL next
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So as we close things up here, Carrie, we've traveled

(01:57:00):
many a weary mile in these three hours of discussion
NFL preseason now ending, and we talk about guys making
their careers, getting that shot, getting that opportunity. Certainly a
lot to be said. So when people are dismissive of
preseason action, I'm critical of it because we know many
many a player that we've watched go from undrafted late

(01:57:23):
draft pick to become stars in this league. Again going
owing to fit ye and where you find a coach,
a coordinator or a position coach, sometimes that just sees
you've got that little extra thing, either between the years
or physically right. And so as these final ten ten

(01:57:45):
days for the season begins, like how do you manage
these ten days?

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
Yeah, it's tough. I mean a lot of these guys,
I mean you know, they're really their chances of making
the team is very slam and so you still, as
a family, you still build these relationships and bonds with
these guys and you want them to have success. And
again we know this, they're not just playing for that job.

(01:58:11):
There's thirty one other teams that they're trying other leagues.
That right, But yeah, but yeah, it's tough. It's a
tough time, man. I mean, even as a veteran, a
guy that's you know, your position is whatever, you don't
want to see these guys not get a chance to
show what they can do. So it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Was there there ever a guy in the final cut
that it just.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
Hits you just wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
I mean that where you get separate maybe a little bit,
you know personally, maybe you got got to know them
a bit, and when when they got cut it hit
you don't but just s I see your face. So yeah,
it was like five or six guys faces I think
just hit it did.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Yeah, but it's I would have to really sit down
and think about that one. That's a great question, but
that is real. There is an affinity that you have
for certain guys and you see their situation. They come
from a small school and they're fighting, and you can
see how the talent is there to make a roster.
It may not be this one, right, and you want
that relationship to last. So the relationships are always big.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
That's yeah, that's the difficult part in watching it go
away right because people dismiss it, Oh, that guy's going
to be a future this, that the other still playing
in that moment right and show them that respect because
certainly for me, I mean that was gone, that dream
died a long long time ago. As we traverse the
halls of Fox Sports Radio at Carry twenty five Roads,

(01:59:35):
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You can shout him out at Dan Byron Fox. Find
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